September 26, 2012
— Gabriel Malor Happy Wednesday.
ICYMI, James Pethokoukis wrote about the freedom solution to U.S. economic woes at the NY Post.
New Quinnipiac polls out of Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania show big leads for Obama.
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Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 02:57 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 02:58 AM (YdQQY)
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Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 02:58 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 06:56 AM
Hooray!
Posted by: back door barry soetoro at September 26, 2012 02:58 AM (yBF/9)
Posted by: Thorvald at September 26, 2012 02:59 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 06:56 AM
Oh. Ohhhhhhhhhh...
Posted by: back door barry soetoro at September 26, 2012 02:59 AM (yBF/9)
Socrates defines the concept of citizenship and says, "America, Love It or Leave It."
http://tinyurl.com/c456sht
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 02:59 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Mr Pink at September 26, 2012 03:00 AM (iv+KC)
Posted by: Martin at September 26, 2012 03:01 AM (MSrqi)
Posted by: USA at September 26, 2012 03:02 AM (RIg+t)
Mines dropped us from our coverage and now charges us more for shittier coverage. I'll hold my breathe until someone in our media confronts Obama for being a lying mother fucker.
Good luck.
And I know I'm getting old when I can remember when gas was .30 cents a gallon.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:02 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: JDTAY at September 26, 2012 03:03 AM (a0nis)
I dunno. I just hope the folks in the know are keeping their powder dry and holding fire until October comes and they "see the whites of their eyes."
Posted by: Popcorn at September 26, 2012 03:03 AM (uIpSF)
Posted by: Tocquevillian at September 26, 2012 03:04 AM (iuY0Y)
Its not just the press. Look at all the Obama TV appearances. Why is The View not required to give Romney equal time?
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:05 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Martin at September 26, 2012 03:07 AM (MSrqi)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:08 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:09 AM (YdQQY)
If people are too shit-stupid to see what a cluster fuck Obama is, then they deserve misery.
Yeah, but I sure as hell didn't vote for TFG. Why should I suffer too?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:09 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: JDTAY at September 26, 2012 03:09 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2012 03:10 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Rondinellamamma at September 26, 2012 03:11 AM (53riN)
Why would Romney even consider going on the view?
It would be completely pointless, and potentially damaging as the haridins of the view led by the odious Joy Behar savage Romney.
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 03:11 AM (06lNq)
The problem is that 50% of the people are paying no taxes so they do not give a shit. They want their freebies and for someone else to pay for it.
Alexis de Tocqueville warned of this a long time ago. So did Frederick Bastiat.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:13 AM (YdQQY)
If you are going to simply report the poll results without comment, you are essentially doing their bidding.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2012 03:13 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:14 AM (d0Tfm)
Oh and Vic, Jefferson was who he was, but he was also carrying on treasonous foreign policy, behind the President's back while he was Sec of State.
So there is that.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2012 03:15 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Martin at September 26, 2012 03:15 AM (MSrqi)
Posted by: Thorvald at September 26, 2012 03:16 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 26, 2012 03:16 AM (1zwZo)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2012 03:16 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 26, 2012 03:17 AM (xSegX)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:19 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Thorvald at September 26, 2012 03:19 AM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: USA at September 26, 2012 03:19 AM (RIg+t)
#48 - Actually I saw recemtly that Romney suggested after the 2008 election that conservatives should be buying up newspapers/media outlets to try and even the field. Hasn't happened though
#50 - Agree - I see these polls that say big ) win but all the anecdotal evidemce I see/hear on the ground says no way
#51 - Sad. Act of terrorism leads to Americans dead and the administration and media just push it under the rug
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 03:21 AM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Martin at September 26, 2012 03:21 AM (MSrqi)
Yeah, no, Ohio is definitely not a D+9 state. My non-scientific survey of coworkers (ER staff) would suggest a freaking landslide victory for Romney, as in Chicago Democrat levels for margin of victory, only without the fraud as a contributing factor. Here's hoping.
I'm getting roughly the same results from my non-scientific polls, too. Very few of my lib musician-type buds who voted for TFG say they'll do so again.
And the psyops part of this is just amazing to me. We are being bombarded with so many polls and such that fly in the face of truth and logic. I cannot believe that TFG could possibly get reelected. Of course, I didn't believe it the last time either, but with his record today, there is no excuse for anybody with two brain cells to rub together to vote for him again.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:21 AM (d0Tfm)
That's a big news.
So who's going to push it into the MSM?
This whole vetting of Obama is pointless because nobody is going to carry the banner into the public square, least of all Mitt and his crack team of McCain rejects.
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 03:22 AM (06lNq)
SC no longer has any independent newspapers. They are all owned by one of two conglomerates. Our local paper here used to be "conservative" but since it was bought out it has become another wing of the Democrat PR machine.
I dropped my subscription.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:23 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Beverley at September 26, 2012 03:24 AM (ZmGpV)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 26, 2012 03:24 AM (1zwZo)
The "genius" Barack Obama. Well, I guess I can start calling myself a brain surgeon then. Wait, make that an astronaut. I always wanted to be an astronaut, since just saying it now makes it so.
Cue Ellen Ripley...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:26 AM (d0Tfm)
This will be a sad day, indeed. She will have been brought to her knees by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the SCoaMF. Financial terrorist, all three.
Tragic.
Posted by: sTevo at September 26, 2012 03:26 AM (VMcEw)
Supposedly it was like this in the 30s with FDR. When an upstart millionaire started up Time Magazine to oppose FDR he had him jailed on phony income tax charges.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:26 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Martin at September 26, 2012 03:26 AM (MSrqi)
Posted by: Martin at September 26, 2012 07:26 AM (MSrqi)
I doubt if it would drop at all. American Jews really do not give a shit for Israel. Almost all support in the US for Israel comes from Christians.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:28 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 26, 2012 03:28 AM (1zwZo)
#59, #55 - yeah these needs to be pushed. Given that this is personal not policy related it would be better coming from a PAC than Romney but it needs to get out there.
I agree that R and R don't appear to be fighting hard but I think some of that is because the MSM has completely dropped any pretenses and is fully protecting O. It may be like that seen in the Avengers where Thor gets trapped in the cage designed for the Hulk and he is pounding away but hardly making any dents until he finally breaks free - let's hope R and R do the same before 11/6
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 03:29 AM (ykY2u)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 03:29 AM (JCIjD)
What does that say about the US?
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 03:30 AM (06lNq)
Never in my following politics have a seen this before.
More anecdotal stuff; you would not believe how many times I've heard that exact same phrase from people, many of them people I've met on the street. And it's not just politics, just everything in general.
If I was a church-going man, I'd say that something just might be happening that was foretold a long time ago.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:30 AM (d0Tfm)
The MFM is embargoing coverage unless they call up another phony gaffe.
I am surprised Piss Wallace hasn't come up with another "fire in the belly" meme.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:31 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Swanny at September 26, 2012 03:32 AM (sZzZC)
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 03:32 AM (ykY2u)
The health insurance premiums at my work actually went down some. Of course, that's because the firm has undergone a 70% reduction in size in the last year and a half. Oh and our coverage has gotten worse with higher co-pays.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at September 26, 2012 03:33 AM (Gk3SS)
Good morning, morons. Since we've started the day with those crap Q polls and are feeling a little down, here's a story tailored to the AoS lifestyle:
One day Sam Goldwyn and Chico Marx were playing a game of backgammon. Chico was a brilliant player, but Goldwyn's little boy, Sam Junior, kept running into the room and knocking the board over. A frustrated Chico told Goldwyn to get rid of the boy, but little Sammy kept coming back.
Finally, a fed up Chico grabbed the kid by the arm and marched him out of the room. Five minutes passed, then Chico came back by himself. "Let's play," he said. Goldwyn was leery, but agreed. To his surprise, the two of them were able to play an entire game without any interruptions.
Goldwyn was impressed with Chico's ability to control children. "How'd you do it?" he asked.
Chico grinned. "I taught him to masturbate."
Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2012 03:34 AM (zF6Iw)
Mine went up so much I had to switch coverage to $5K deductible catastrophic coverage.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:34 AM (YdQQY)
Coinflation.com says that the melt value of 3 mercury dimes is $7.35. The cheapest 10 lb flour I can find on Google is $7.07. I really don't know what it costs in the store. I find time and again that whether its guns, Bean boots, tennis shoes, or now flour, prices then and now aren't much different if you buy with silver.
This illustrates why you might want to keep silver as a hedge against inflation, or with QE3, hyperinflation.
Posted by: Matt in Maine at September 26, 2012 03:37 AM (gWLRb)
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 03:37 AM (ykY2u)
Excellent idea. It would be a lot more watchable than Barky on the View.
Posted by: Retread at September 26, 2012 03:37 AM (zxitI)
You heard it here first!
You wouldn't happen to live up there, would you? If so, I hope you checked out the call for Pubbie poll workers on one of the previous thread headlines.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:37 AM (d0Tfm)
Most of them seem to be losing money hand over fist, and not just because of bias (buggy whip makers didn't go out of business because of their stance on horsewhipping, you know?). Kids are enrolling in J-school without ever reading a newspaper (which is a whole other topic to rant on) and 95% of CNN's viewers are trapped in waiting rooms.
Rich conservatives don't seem to be into waste, even for a "cause."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at September 26, 2012 03:37 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at September 26, 2012 03:38 AM (Gk3SS)
It is to the government's benefit to under call inflation.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:39 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 03:39 AM (ykY2u)
re: Mike Rowe
It probably didn't help too much that Obama gave the Boy Scouts the brush-off at the National Jamboree a couple of years ago. It was the 100th anniversary of the Boy Scouts of America, but rather than speaking in person (which is what presidents normally do) he sent a video message that was roundly jeered by the boys in attendance. Fortunately for him they had a much better stand-in, none other than Mike Rowe who incidentally was an Eagle Scout. Rowe's speech was apparently a massive hit with the boys.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 26, 2012 03:40 AM (JxMoP)
Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Thanks for the snorfle, MPPPP. Thank goodness I finished my coffee before I read that...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:40 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:42 AM (YdQQY)
You should have looked for 5-lb flour, since that was what was in the photo, right?
I don't remember how many cups are in a pound. Hrm.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at September 26, 2012 03:42 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 07:34 AM
Those type of policies wont survive the AHCA's enactment
I can save $5000 to use for a catastrophe but can't come up with $100,000
hospital bill which is uncommon. The difference in premiums between catastrophic and full coverage is +$1200 a month for us . I just can't do that.
Posted by: Beto at September 26, 2012 03:45 AM (+I8Mq)
The only reason to not call it "treason" is that there weren't any rules at the time that expressly forbade a Sec of State from engaging in foreign policy that was DIRECTLY contrary to the stated policy of the President.
Inviting foreigners to come to America a preach the gospel of the french revolution, even after it had turned into a savage, bloodbath, blindly ignoring the fact that france was no longer our ally, in addition to being arguably treasonous, was incredibly stupid and short-sighted. Washington knew better, but Jefferson and a number of others decided to engage the revolutionaries anyway, most likely because they were jealous of the influence Hamilton had on Washington.
It would be like today, if you had a President who was no longer willing to back the Libyan revolution, and the Sec of State was still sending them money and weapons. Today we would call it treason, but Jefferson got a pass, primarily because he was Jefferson.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 26, 2012 03:45 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:45 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at September 26, 2012 03:48 AM (r2PLg)
Rich conservatives don't seem to be into waste, even for a "cause."
That, plus the liberals won't sell to them (see: Newsweak).
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 26, 2012 03:48 AM (JxMoP)
You would think that the Romney/Ryan brain trust would be pounding this very simple idea home.
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 03:49 AM (06lNq)
Posted by: Scobface at September 26, 2012 03:50 AM (IoNBC)
This was the last Jamboree held at Fort AP Hill, remember, because it was held on federal land and the Boy Scouts are homophobic or something. Husband and younger son attended the 'dry run' at new non-federal, permanent Jamboree home in Southern WV. Loved it.
Posted by: Dish of Red at September 26, 2012 03:50 AM (Dmq63)
Hopefully Romney and Congress will kill it next year. But that assumes we take the Senate and keep the House.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:51 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at September 26, 2012 03:51 AM (jCQ+I)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 26, 2012 07:10 AM (+tqYo)
That twerp looks like that freaky monkey people have been talking about lately. And no, I don't denounce myself.
Posted by: model_1066 at September 26, 2012 03:51 AM (yYKoR)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 26, 2012 03:52 AM (HoIE+)
Buying out these media outlets would be cheaper than buying the adds (from these same media outlets) to counter their lies and progressive B.S.
Problem is that no one wants to own this crap, but somebody is going to have to intervene because it is pretty clear that conservatives whining and bitching about the problem isn't going to get us very far.
Which makes me wonder why someone really smart would dump tens of millions into an election, cycle after cycle, and not figure out it would be cheaper to buy one of these publicly traded companies?
Posted by: Tocquevillian at September 26, 2012 03:52 AM (iuY0Y)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 03:52 AM (/BwGa)
@100
Husband and younger son attended the 'dry run' at new non-federal, permanent Jamboree home in Southern WV. Loved it.
I've heard that place is very, very nice.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 26, 2012 03:53 AM (JxMoP)
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I agree. Some people are going to read the post but not the comments: it would more fully communicate reality to put the D+9 info into the post itself.
Posted by: edj at September 26, 2012 03:53 AM (+QKfp)
You'll have to provide a cite for that. I have read 3 biographies of Jefferson and none of that was mentioned in any of the books.
Most historians (all that I have read which is a LOT) say that he was neutral with regard to England and France policy.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 03:54 AM (YdQQY)
BTW, if you really want to be depressed, check out Ann Barnhardt's site today. Long short, she says the election's fixed, Obama will win, he'll get all the debate questions in advance and Romney's throwing the election in return for a spot in the Obama cabinet.
I hope this is one time when she's a complete, raving loon. . .
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2012 03:54 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: mikey at September 26, 2012 03:55 AM (kmxWt)
Thanks to the horde for my wake up every morning. You guys are the best!
Posted by: Dish of Red at September 26, 2012 03:56 AM (Dmq63)
Posted by: long island at September 26, 2012 03:56 AM (kzp9t)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 26, 2012 03:56 AM (c8Xlt)
And ain't that something BB? The feds don't figure in groceries and gas and yet, until I'm working again, my spending consists of those two, house and car pmt. and utilities.
No shit. I'd really like to see the R and R camp crunch some inflation numbers with real-world purchases just to show us what the deal is. I mean, everybody's seen it already to varying degrees, but everybody's grocery bill is up considerably. Add to that the coming 10% rise world wide in food prices they say is coming and the Great Bacon Shortage of 2013.
Ain't progressivism just fucking wonnerful?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:57 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 26, 2012 03:57 AM (yVBJI)
If you go to the Quinnipiac site and look at their state demographics, you'll find they weighted these polls:
OHIO - 26% R, 35% D, 35% I
FLORIDA - 27% R, 36% D, 33% I
PENNSYLVANIA - 28% R, 39% D, 27% I
IIRC, in 2010 all three of these states voted in Republican governors, senators and probably state legislatures, too, (but I'm not going to look it up.) Hmmm ... wonder how THAT could have happened with such large Democrat majorities? It's a mystery!
;-)
Posted by: littleoldlady at September 26, 2012 03:58 AM (5SATI)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 26, 2012 03:58 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 26, 2012 03:59 AM (1zwZo)
I hope this is one time when she's a complete, raving loon. . .
Romney aspires to a position in SCOAMF's cabinet? And Barky would appoint him? that's beyond raving loon territory.
Posted by: Retread at September 26, 2012 03:59 AM (zxitI)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 03:59 AM (d0Tfm)
Obviously this is not the door of the Optimist club. I must have gotten the numbers mixed up. I was here for a bit of optimism.
Everyone is correct in the assessment that we're screwed by the media and by stupid people. The electorate is at the tipping point, and too many of those who actually do produce are dumb enough to vote democrat, while the 49% are smart enough to know that that's THE ONLY way to vote, in order to be kept in the manner they are accustomed.
That leaves just us conservatives, and we cannot give up. We have to have faith that we CAN convince our moronic counterparts to vote sane. I know that for the first time in our adult lives, my husband has volunteered to go door to door. (I've done it mind you, but him- never) It's that important. So everyone, go out. Do something. Make phone calls. Convince you old aunt, your next door neighbor and the mailman to vote for Romney, or if they plan to vote Obama, to stay at home!
Armageddon is only 41 days off.
Posted by: Trishispraying at September 26, 2012 04:00 AM (gW8s3)
Posted by: Tocquevillian at September 26, 2012 07:52 AM
The Chicago Mob® bought GE with the public purse and they bought NBC for them. Kind of a Straw Buyer situation. Then they use public funds to prop up NBC cable outlets.
Posted by: Beto at September 26, 2012 04:02 AM (+I8Mq)
Our insurance premiums went up by 25%. (Purchased privately) We now pay $1500 a month in premiums. My wife called our insurance to essentially ask WTF?? Guy hemmed and hawed and stuttered and made excuses, but finally said that the increase was due mainly to "increased regulatory cost."
My wife goes "Oh. You mean Obamacare."
Guy "Uhhhh....yes ma'am."
Wife "Well, I guess there's only one thing to do then, isn't there?"
Guy "Ummm...what's that?"
Wife "Vote Republican in November."
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2012 04:03 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Judd Gregg at September 26, 2012 04:03 AM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Retread at September 26, 2012 07:59 AM
More like accidentally ate some Jimsonweed out of the yard crazy.
Posted by: Beto at September 26, 2012 04:03 AM (+I8Mq)
#111 - loon article. No way R takes a cabinet post under O. He either wins or he exits politics
O may get the debate questions ahead of time but any good pol should expect and be ready for 80% of the questions. The tricky part is being ready to react to what your opponent says and be ready to attack that. Let's hope the R that showed up in the GOP primary debates shows up and leaves O sputtering
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 04:04 AM (ykY2u)
More like accidentally ate some Jimsonweed out of the yard crazy.
Or maybe that wasn't basil she put in the spaghetti last night. "I ate a whole big plate and I'm still hungry... where are those Doritos?"
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 04:06 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 04:08 AM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Tuna at September 26, 2012 04:08 AM (M/TDA)
Posted by: kawfytawk at September 26, 2012 04:10 AM (JWLqy)
I can promise no pay, and probably less recognition, but I think the vids will be worth doing.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 26, 2012 04:11 AM (8y9MW)
The unemployment rate has gone from 4.8 to 8.3
We are not 16 Trillion dollars in debt.
Gas has risen 40%
The average grocery bill has risen 30%
The ACA has made healthcare more expensive.
Our foreign policy is in shambles.
There is no instance where Obama's policies are making things better, the converse is true.
This should be a can of corn, an easy layup.
MADNESS!!
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 04:11 AM (06lNq)
Funny with the supposedly huge lead preazy enjoys in PA, I have seen a handful of lawn signs and bumper stickers supporting him, in an area that went for him by a 20 point margin in 2008. The foreclosure crisis in the Philly burbs is real. Zip codes that were formerly bulletproof are compromised. I can't see how people whose lives have changed dramatically for the worse would be inclined to re-elect the engineer of this debacle. Bush is long gone, no one can blame him anymore. Plus, Pat Toomey won in 2010, and the GOP retook the legislature and the governorship. These victories could not have occurred without support from suburban Philadelphia.
The Susquehanna poll is the only published poll that shows a tight race here. Chris Steagall of 1210-AM had the president of that outfit on to defend his findings. It's probably on podcast, I haven't heard it yet.
Posted by: kallisto at September 26, 2012 04:12 AM (jm/9g)
Guaranteed, 2 weeks before the election new theme will be Romney surging at of fear that Obama voters will stay home because they think the election is over.
That's what I don't get. They have to know that if Obama loses they're basically dead as an industry because they're telling everyone right now that the race is over and Obama's going to win easily. If this election turns out in any way similar to the Wisconsin recall then their credibility will be gone as the vast majority of Americans will never again believe them. I guess that's part of the reason they've gone from subtle bias to open advocacy.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 26, 2012 04:13 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Rondinellamamma at September 26, 2012 04:13 AM (53riN)
Gee, no commentary on trying to weave a movie reference into the thread into the morning thread in #69
It's still early. Until the Horde has their second cup of coffee, you've got to do the heavy lifting yourself.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2012 04:14 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 04:14 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: kawfytawk at September 26, 2012 04:15 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: otho at September 26, 2012 08:14 AM (yBF/9)
It dies for a minute. Got the dreaded "service not available" message.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 04:15 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Dulce at September 26, 2012 04:15 AM (Okd5n)
Posted by: kawfytawk at September 26, 2012 04:16 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 04:16 AM (RYVE/)
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at September 26, 2012 04:16 AM (MNWe/)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 08:15 AM
Ah. Dunno, Vic. No interruption at this end.
Posted by: otho at September 26, 2012 04:17 AM (yBF/9)
Posted by: Dulce at September 26, 2012 08:15 AM (Okd5n)
Romney will win by a large margin.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 04:17 AM (YdQQY)
# 111
I think it's a given that Obama is not only being given debate questions in advance, but that his team is 'tweaking' them to put Obama, and his rehearsed answers in the best possible light, and adjusting other questions to portray Romney in the worst way possible.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 26, 2012 04:19 AM (L7hol)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2012 04:19 AM (46qC3)
Posted by: mikey at September 26, 2012 04:20 AM (kmxWt)
I took a closer look at the Quinnipiac polls:
91% of the respondents in the 3 states were registered voters - statistically this should closer to 60%
94-95% of the respondents are considered to be "likely voters". Keep in mind that in 2008 only 75% of registered voters actually voted, so this number, on the surface, is simply preposterous.
So if they are oversampling democrats, they are also oversampling a sample group that simply will not vote at the rate they are projecting. So these D+8 samples are really turning into D+11 or D+12 when factoring in the polling inflation.
Posted by: Mr. Spanky at September 26, 2012 04:20 AM (pjO3t)
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 04:21 AM (ykY2u)
But sooo worth it.
I know the feeling well. Good luck to y'all. And if any of the Horde hasn't clicked on Teej's nick to hear all the goodness, then avail y'allselfs.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 04:21 AM (d0Tfm)
I am starting to hope Obama wins so these fucking idiots get what they want. Fuck em. Let social security implode and the US dollar tank, these people fucking deserve it.
Not a good idea. If the dollar tanks the only people who get by are the rich. Since most of us are not rich most of us will suffer. I'm all for praying that he doesn't win.
Posted by: Decaf at September 26, 2012 04:21 AM (sfvkR)
I simply have to do something about that CBS station that wakes me up in the morning. I am in a foul temper all day long.
The bad part about these polls is that realistically only 3% of the population understands about D/R/I ratios and M/F mixes. They just listen and believe.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 26, 2012 04:22 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at September 26, 2012 04:23 AM (RstsB)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 26, 2012 04:23 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: kawfytawk at September 26, 2012 04:25 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at September 26, 2012 04:25 AM (RstsB)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2012 04:25 AM (46qC3)
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 04:25 AM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 26, 2012 04:26 AM (9TTOe)
For goodness sake, the candidate has his own polls, the media polls are trash, and at least two of the other polls are run by universities. They are NOT going to portray Romney with favorable numbers.
In addition, here's a flash bit of news for the pundits: there are many different ways to campaign, and many possible routes to winning. I am sick of hearing "unless Mitt does THIS all is lost."
When this election is over, I am going to make sure I reduce my listening to talk radio and viewing of Fox. These people don't know one bit more about things than we do, they get paid big bucks for their stupid reports and comments, and they are nothing but a hindrance and depressing background noise.
And a fair amount of them are totally stupid. I am still remembering the Fox News commenter who insisted to me that I had nothing to worry about with the Arab Spring. Even I, Midwest grandma and antique seller, knew the Muslim Brotherhood was ready to pounce.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 26, 2012 04:28 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: mikey at September 26, 2012 08:20 AM (kmxWt)
What makes you think that John Gibson and Brian Kilmeade are on "our" side?
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 04:28 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 26, 2012 04:30 AM (9TTOe)
The MFM lost all credibility with the public after 2008. even Democrats agreed that the MFM was in the tank for Obama.
IMO they certainly damaged their credibility with a decent amount of the public in 2008, but if Romney wins this their credibility will be on par with Baghdad Bob. In other words, no matter what they say the public will reflexively believe the opposite to be true.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 26, 2012 04:31 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 04:32 AM (tWrwm)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2012 04:32 AM (19L5m)
Total bullshit.
Romney himself needs to get ahead of this and go on the Sunday news shows to discredit it.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 26, 2012 04:32 AM (hlUJY)
OSP - yes, I got it. Just so we're clear, I'm talking the self-pub route through Amazon or such like. I've done the agent bit and it did me no good. I just need to clear my head and then we can talk formatting, cover copy, platforms, marketing and web presence, if that's the way you want to go.
Good luck with the artist! I have a great designer - she also did my website, and I love the way she's got my stuff set up.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2012 04:32 AM (zF6Iw)
Using the 2004 turnout model, The Quin Ohio poll is a Romney +2.3% lead.
They don't get to Obama +10 EVEN WITH THE 2008 TURNOUT.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 04:32 AM (o7GQh)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2012 08:32 AM (19L5m)
I doubt if they teach American History in a Madras in Indonesia.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 04:33 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at September 26, 2012 04:33 AM (RstsB)
at least that is what I'll think today to counteract my dismal feeling
Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 26, 2012 04:33 AM (HNwOT)
When this election is over, I am going to make sure I reduce my listening to talk radio and viewing of Fox.
Me too. I'm already stressed out and need to take a break from all this crap myself. But even with a Romney win, there's still a lot of work to do to recoup the waste and loss of four years of TFG. We still have to take the Senate, I think the House is pretty much a lock.
And I fully expect the economy to improve dramatically when R wins. I'd like to get back to work, but I'll settle for more gigs in the meantime. I just don't have any more money to run out of.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 04:34 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Jay at September 26, 2012 04:34 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: Case at September 26, 2012 04:35 AM (ZPlWT)
Posted by: NativeNH at September 26, 2012 04:35 AM (4iT1I)
Posted by: Jay at September 26, 2012 04:35 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at September 26, 2012 04:35 AM (RstsB)
The genius of Barack Obama was on display yesterdday at the UN. He said the Emancipation Proclamation set free all enslaved people in America.
It was force of arms that freed the slaves, not some speech or piece of paper.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 26, 2012 04:35 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at September 26, 2012 04:35 AM (9TTOe)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 26, 2012 08:32 AM (hlUJY)
There was an article at one of the news sites this morning that said Romney was not worried about the MFM polls. That tells me he has his own polls which are much better.
But that article is no longer up.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 04:36 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2012 04:36 AM (19L5m)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2012 04:37 AM (46qC3)
Posted by: southdakotaboy at September 26, 2012 04:37 AM (ZIWkB)
Posted by: kawfytawk at September 26, 2012 04:37 AM (JWLqy)
It is possible that she is the only one with both the absolute truth about God and Obama, but it isn't probable.
I am pretty confident that the push-back against these polls is starting to take hold in the mainstream of the public. Conservative websites and writers have been pretty much on a mission for the last 3 weeks or so to openly challenge these polling companies over methodology and bias. This is all good.
Putting them on the defensive has rattled them. I expect to see some polls take the Q poll tack that we see this morning and become even more defiant of reality.
Be not afraid.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 26, 2012 04:37 AM (dcoFe)
Posted by: Travis at September 26, 2012 04:38 AM (9WkMB)
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I used to listen to Laura faithfully, but noticed that very same thing. She seems incapable of realizing we're being played for victims of head games with these rigged polls. I haven't listened to her in a while now because of it. I prefer to stream Chris Plante. Plus, he's funny as hell.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 26, 2012 04:38 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: Jean at September 26, 2012 04:39 AM (46qC3)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2012 04:39 AM (19L5m)
RCP average: Obama +3.9%
2008 turnout: Obama +3.2%
2010 turnout: Romney +1.6%
2004 turnout: Romney +4.1%
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 04:39 AM (o7GQh)
All indications for this election are that the Dems will have a low turnout. Obama will lose big.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 04:40 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 26, 2012 04:40 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: VBJonny at September 26, 2012 04:41 AM (bED4B)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 04:41 AM (ma+gB)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 26, 2012 04:42 AM (19L5m)
State Department waived ordinary security requirements for Benghazi Consulate. Not a question of extra security.
Saw that in a middle paragraph quoting a Republican as if facts are party dependent. Is it f'n true or not? Does anyone in the media care?
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2012 04:43 AM (sOtz/)
If Obama wins stock up on arms, ammo and barterable commodities.
He will complete the radical transformation of America.
He will probably get to name 3 SC Justices and effectively cement his socialist policies forever.
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 04:43 AM (06lNq)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at September 26, 2012 04:43 AM (RstsB)
All indications for this election are that the Dems will have a low turnout. Obama will lose big.
You know, Vic, it's too bad we can't get some sort of "teaching them a lesson" meme going to depress the Dim turnout like what happened in '06 on our side. In hindsight, that was a pretty good psyop. It got the Botox Bitch and Hairy Reed into power. And we're still paying for that.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 04:43 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: kawfytawk at September 26, 2012 04:45 AM (JWLqy)
Terrorists:
We attack your way of life, and your free speech rights.
Obama:
It wasn't an Al Qaida attack, the attack in Lybia was the fault of Americans excercising free speech. "Our future must never belong to those who defame the prophet".
Remarkable.
Posted by: biff at September 26, 2012 04:45 AM (9qOrR)
The Donks don't have to turn out anyone, their fraud machine is vast and wide.
The Mayor of San Antonio Texas has stated he will not purge his voter roles of people the SS administration says have died.
He said he'll get around to it after the election.
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 04:46 AM (06lNq)
Great. Two Lingerie Football League whores on F and F with their "expertise" on the NFL ref kerfuffle.
I thought all the idiots had already weighed in. Apparently not.
Look, girls, shut it and strut it. That's your function.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2012 04:47 AM (xCuSg)
Obama needs some push in inner-city Cincinnati to make SW Oh less of a wasteland for him, and he desperately needs NE Oh to man the barricades. Romney looks to be trying to peel off affluent suburban women in the northern half of the state as well as blue-collar whites in the old, inner-ring suburbs around Cleveland and Toledo.
In the end, I believe Romney wins Ohio by 3.5%.
@199 Yes, and she has been milking that 15 minutes of minor fame for over a year now to set herself up as a modern-day St. Joan of Arc.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 26, 2012 04:48 AM (dcoFe)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at September 26, 2012 04:49 AM (RstsB)
I thought all the idiots had already weighed in. Apparently not.
Look, girls, shut it and strut it. That's your function.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2012 08:47 AM (xCuSg)
Are they strut worthy?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2012 04:49 AM (da5Wo)
Good luck with your band/gigs BackwardsBoy! Do you guys have a site or anything on u tube we can check out?
Not that they've told me about. We're kinda in a holding pattern for now, picking up gigs wherever we can find them. We're just a three-piece doing classic rock, but began as a quartet with me on bass, something we'd all like to go back to.
We're just waiting for the economy to rebound, then we'll start a push for more gigs with a real, live web site. Until then, we'll just play out as much as we can and try to get by. I've got a couple of Biketoberfest gigs at the Cabbage Patch down here. Should be fun, I've never seen the coleslaw 'rasslin' before.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 04:49 AM (d0Tfm)
Looks like he is demanding at some point force of arms or political will will need to reassert liberty here.
I think he is just an idiot who believes that if we just think happy thoughts and say happy things then everything will fix itself. There are no evil people (aside from American conservatives), just misguided people, and all we need to do to convince them of their error is to talk to them.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 26, 2012 04:49 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at September 26, 2012 04:50 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: kawfytawk at September 26, 2012 04:51 AM (JWLqy)
He said he'll get around to it after the election.
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 08:46 AM (06lNq)
He is then in violation of federal law. But they never enforce that portion of Motor Voter.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 04:51 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Gran at September 26, 2012 04:51 AM (mw0FO)
Did I miss it or has that Obi Wan been MIA this cycle? Whenever people start talking polls I think about that guy. (And then I start to freak myself out because maybe he's not writing what Obi is saying because it's bad. Why, yes, I'm paranoid. Why do you ask?)
Posted by: Yermo at September 26, 2012 04:51 AM (E3/4A)
Conjunction Junction what's your function?
T n and A n and heh that's special.....
Out of the bedroom AND full of desire
She blew up the condom BUT the peen went no higher
Posted by: whore house rock at September 26, 2012 04:51 AM (pjT+p)
Posted by: Realliittyyyy Cheecckk at September 26, 2012 04:52 AM (q9hNy)
Updated at 7:59 a.m. ET: An anti-Islam film that sparked violent protests in many countries had "nothing to do with" a deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi earlier this month, Libya's president told NBC News.
In an exclusive interview with NBC News' Ann Curry, President Mohamed Magarief discounted claims that the attack was in response to a movie produced in California and available on YouTube. He noted that the assault happened on Sept. 11 and that the video had been available for months before that.
"Reaction should have been, if it was genuine, should have been six months earlier. So it was postponed until the 11th of September," he said. "They chose this date, 11th of September to carry a certain message."
Oh Barry, even the president of Libya says you should drop your little BS about the video
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2012 04:52 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: AussieMarcus at September 26, 2012 04:53 AM (RstsB)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 26, 2012 04:53 AM (TMB3S)
Now can you do, "I'm Just a Shill, A Lonely Ole' Shill and I'm Sittin' Here on Capitol Hill"??
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 26, 2012 04:53 AM (sbV1u)
"I see two ways the polls are tilted in favor of the president.... First, many of the polls are guessing that Democrats are set to turn out at levels that match or sometimes exceed 2008.... "
His second point is that the polls are predicting an uncharacteristic level of control over party unity: too high for Dems, too low for Republicans. (In other words, the pct. of Democrats supporting Obama is higher now than it will be in the general election; likewise, the pct. of Republicans supporting Romney is lower now than it will be.) This will give Romney another 2 points.
Posted by: edj at September 26, 2012 04:54 AM (+QKfp)
@224
The new Libyan leader, Mo, sounds pretty reasonable and tells the truth, IMO, far more than our own politicians or media. Yet I'm sure he's a fairly hardcore Islamist. Second look at theocracy?
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2012 04:55 AM (sOtz/)
Are they strut worthy?<<<<<
Meh. Serviceable.
They couldn't be cheerleaders. Even if they could, I wouldn't want to see them play football any more than I want to see them take a dump.
Even with girls, context is vital.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2012 04:56 AM (xCuSg)
There's a lot that can be done with make-up and large paper bags.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 26, 2012 04:57 AM (sbV1u)
Oh Barry, even the president of Libya says you should drop your little BS about the video
And it's around this time that I urge the rest of the Horde to click my nic. I kinda redid a post I put up a couple of years ago about what Socrates had to say about citizenship in light of the attacks that are coming at us about our right to free speech.
Take a shot first tho'. You might need it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 04:58 AM (d0Tfm)
Q polls = bullshit +dem % = rejected. Try again. The ulstermanreport.com polls are interesting and more in line with latest Ras and Dave's numbers I would say, for the most part.
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 26, 2012 04:58 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Mr Pink
If that happens, I'm moving to Texas and opening up a gun shop.
Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2012 04:59 AM (VndSC)
"Serviceable"
That used to be applied to artillery targets. ISWYDT
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 26, 2012 04:59 AM (sbV1u)
National Polling Average
RCP average: O+2.0
Using Rasmussen Party ID: R+2.4
Using 2008 turnout: O+1.3
Using 2010 turnout: R+1.7
Using 2004 turnout: R+1.7
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 04:59 AM (o7GQh)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 26, 2012 04:59 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 05:00 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 26, 2012 05:01 AM (vahvH)
----
Not really. Nobody believes it. I suspect, deep down, you don't either.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 26, 2012 05:02 AM (lTVJy)
I decided that needed more refutation than 140 characters could provide (and it was civil, so he didn't just deserve a STFU).
The result is up at [censored].
Y'all can check it out, if you're interested.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 26, 2012 05:02 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2012 05:02 AM (tOkJB)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 05:03 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 26, 2012 05:03 AM (vahvH)
Posted by: sTevo at September 26, 2012 05:04 AM (uIz80)
The polls are a load of bullshit. Ignore them.
Posted by: Ed Anger
The poll you should worry about it the one you go to on November 6th. Don't miss it.
Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2012 05:05 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: DangerGirl (@deadlyestrogen) at September 26, 2012 05:06 AM (k/Mc/)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 26, 2012 05:06 AM (vahvH)
Know what comes out two days after hearing endlessly from the MSM how badly Romney f*cked up the first debate?
The September Jobs report.
Posted by: Roy at September 26, 2012 05:06 AM (VndSC)
Saw last night in article:
"more democratic Salafis"
--- Middle East Expert
/still wiping tears from eyes
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2012 05:08 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2012 05:08 AM (tOkJB)
If you live in a blue state you'll get your present.....good and hard.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 26, 2012 05:10 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2012 05:10 AM (tOkJB)
You bastards better give me my present.
That sounds so much better coming from AtC. No offense...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 05:10 AM (d0Tfm)
@ Bannion,
I irritated the shit out of an ossifer who evaluated one of my gunnery runs when he mentioned that I "serviced the target."
"No, I didn't. I shot the target. It's the range detail's job to service them. What happened? Generator out of gas? Lifter broken?"
Apparently my innocent expression was not convincing.
"Let's move on to the next engagement, sergeant."
Touchy bitch.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2012 05:10 AM (xCuSg)
Appliances are today where the automobile industry was in 74/75. Regulations have forced the manufacturers to turn out things that just don't work.
Dishwashers, top loading washers just don't get things as clean as they used to ten years ago and before.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 26, 2012 05:11 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 26, 2012 05:11 AM (vahvH)
Taking the guts from mine to see if they will work in MIL's unit.
Posted by: sTevo at September 26, 2012 09:04 AM (uIz80)
When I moved into this house I bought a new washer and dryer. They both lasted about 25 years. We replaced both with GE products. The bearings in the dryer went out in less than 5 years.
I did a lot of checking out on the net and it turns out none of the dryers now are worth a shit. I went down to Lowes and bought the cheapest ting I could find.
It use and throw away now even with major appliances.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 05:11 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 26, 2012 05:12 AM (eoedh)
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2012 05:13 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 26, 2012 05:14 AM (lTVJy)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 05:14 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 05:14 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: cajun carrot at September 26, 2012 05:14 AM (UZQM8)
Posted by: occam at September 26, 2012 05:16 AM (hgDJr)
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 05:16 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 05:17 AM (ma+gB)
Okay, here's a question for folks. I'm probably going to annoy some people, but hear me out.
If this most recent kerfluffle in the NFL hadn't happened on a Monday night game between two potential playoff teams, would it be getting anywhere NEAR the media attention it's gotten? If it had been a one o'clock game between, say, Buffalo and Cleveland, would it have received even HALF the attention it's gotten? In either case the argument would be the same -- a blatantly wrong call that cost a team the game. But would it really be dominating the national media attention in the same way?
I suggest that no, it wouldn't.
The fact is this isn't about the officiating. It's not about player safety. It's not about the sanctity of the game. It's about the playoffs. It's about fantasy leagues and betting pools in Vegas. It's about a hugely popular, big market team being gypped out of a win to a conference rival on national television.
This is why I'm so annoyed by this story. Folks don't want to talk about these things -- the REAL reasons why so many fans and players and coaches alike are angry. It's come up in a few stories, but if you listen to sports radio it's barely mentioned.
Look, if you want to debate that the old refs need to get back on the field to ensure that games move faster, that player safety is better maintained, and that the rules are enforced equally and fairly across the board, then you bet; I am on board with that 100%. But if that's the case then the uproar should have started in week one with the Arizona/Seattle game that very nearly went to Seattle despite Arizona clearly having won; only a dropped pass saved that game from being an embarrassment. By a week later it was forgotten.
If you want to talk about player safety, you should be pointing to all the illegal hits that go uncalled -- the chop blocks and horse collars, the unnecessary roughness, the on-field skirmishes and fights -- that have been happening every week in just about every game since the start of the season.
It is absolutely legitimate to be upset and even angry about what happened Monday night. But I'm sorry; it is not a watershed moment because of some pie in the sky realization about player safety or fairness. It's because a lot of people saw it happen, and a lot of people -- a LOT -- lost a ton of money. You're damn right I'd be pissed if I was one of them. But can we at least be HONEST about it? I'm looking at you, ESPN. If this had been a 'Who Cares' game between two teams that no one thinks are going to make the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl, with close to zero talent on their rosters that would make a difference in the audience's fantasy leagues, then no. This wouldn't be a story. It would be a cautionary tale: "See what could happen to YOUR team? Imagine if this had had playoff implications!" But the baying for Roger Goodell's blood, for the heads of the replacement refs, would be a quiet rumble in the background that would be largely dismissed by the sports media and not even touched upon by the mainstream media.
Anyway, like I said, I'm probably going to annoy some people with this. But it's been making me itch with aggravation and I had to get it off my chest. Your mileage may vary.
*leaps down off soapbox* Excelsior!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at September 26, 2012 05:17 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: sTevo at September 26, 2012 05:18 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 26, 2012 05:19 AM (5TFvk)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at September 26, 2012 05:19 AM (Sptt8)
Florida is not D+9 though the Connie "FB" Mack v. Bill "FR" Nelson looks unpromising perhaps.
I will not be suckered into not spending ten minutes voting however. I'll do my limited and really simple civic duty and then pat myself on the back for another four years.
(frat boy v. full retard)
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2012 05:19 AM (sOtz/)
And don't even get me started on new dishwashers.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 26, 2012 05:20 AM (lTVJy)
Tell us the truth, just between you and me and Axelrod: Obama's going to skip the first debate, isn't he?
Posted by: AmishDude at September 26, 2012 05:20 AM (T0NGe)
@267
Taking a cue from your name, the simplest explanation for your conclusions is that you're just plain old garden variety stupid.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 26, 2012 05:20 AM (eoedh)
Posted by: Jon at September 26, 2012 09:18 AM (21cGW)
Wow.....such deep analysis. I'm blown away.
Posted by: Tami at September 26, 2012 05:20 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: entropy at September 26, 2012 05:20 AM (TULs6)
Obama has the media and Romney is a terrible candidate. Yet many Conservatives are in denial over the fact Obama is winning. Hopefully if the GOP lose, it will be a wake up call to modernize the Republican Party and bring it into the 21st Century. Obama is beatable and this is a winnable election, but the GOP can't pull it off.
Posted by: Inquiring Minds at September 26, 2012 05:21 AM (TVbdM)
Good on Rowe. He seems like a cool guy, but I'd hardly call him a "Hollywood star."
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager at September 26, 2012 05:21 AM (sTS/8)
Someone linked to the new Ulstermann above. Keep in mind that *if* this is real (and I think WHI is real), then you are seeing what the Romney campaign wants you to think is their view of the race. WHI isn't going to release internals without approval. They aren't worried about Obama, because they know Obama has the same internals. So this release is geared toward sending a message to voters.
Since they aren't showing themselves as winning, they are either giving an honest state of the race, or are skewing slightly toward Obama to get people energized. What they aren't doing is trying to sell a sense of certainty.
Now having said that, lets look at the reported battleground:
CO - Even
FL - +1
IA - +2
NV - -2
NH - +2
NC - +4
OH - -1
OR - -3
PA - -4
VA - Even
WI - -3
This gives Romney a base of 191 and Obama a base of 208.
If we give Obama every state he leads except Ohio, and Romney every state he leads, Romney has 245 and Obama 251.
That leaves Ohio, Colorado, and Virginia
Romney needs to win Ohio and one of the other states. If he doesn't win Ohio, then he needs to win CO and VA, then take WI and OR or WI and NV (or a handful of other combos).
Ohio is the key for both campaigns, the path to victory is easier with it.
Turnout in Ohio will be critical. In 2004 Ohio turned out R+5, in 2010 R+1, and in 2008 D+8.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 05:21 AM (o7GQh)
"Let's move on to the next engagement, sergeant." Touchy bitch Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 26, 2012 09:10 AM (xCuSg)
I used to hate civilian speak. I was a tank Bn BMO for a while. I hated when DS Maint would refer to us as their "customer."
"I am not your customer. I am your supported unit. If you want me to be your customer then I expect service with a smile and a customer survey every visit."
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 26, 2012 05:21 AM (sbV1u)
Sports guy said that unlike all of the rest of the NFL teams, Green Bay doesn't have one guy who can get on the horn and cry "BS!" They are owned by a large number of people who have shares, and although they have a business manager, there is no one person who could lean on the refs or Roger Goodell to get the decision reverse. And to that I will also say that Green Bay is a small TV market compared to most of the other cities.
Posted by: Miss Marple at September 26, 2012 05:22 AM (GoIUi)
He is graded on a curve.
Think about it. What good has he done? Hell, he hasn't even healed the world like he said he would.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 26, 2012 05:22 AM (T0NGe)
This is Romney's fault. He is not running many ads and the ones he is, suck big time. I see seven Obama ads for every Romney one.
Where was this huge money advantage Mitt had?
Posted by: Inquiring Minds at September 26, 2012 05:22 AM (TVbdM)
It doesn't annoy me. I suspect you're right. Well, maybe not the time thing, but the fact it was a game between two probable playoff contenders.
Also, the Union Shills see an opportunity to force the NFL just to accede to the Refs' demands.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 26, 2012 05:22 AM (8y9MW)
I love it when some liberal whack job declares this or that a right.
There are only two questions that need to be asked to show they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
1) From where is this right derived.
2) What are the limits of this right.
As you stated in your article it's not a natural right so it's a man-made right, ok, fair enough.
But what are the limits to this right to healthcare. Are they unlimited, should you be provided any and all health care that is available? Who pays? How do we pay for this limitless right to health care?
It's really hard to engage these people, I commend you!
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 05:22 AM (06lNq)
Posted by: kawfytawk at September 26, 2012 05:22 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Jon at September 26, 2012 09:18 AM (21cGW)"
Is Malor running generic socks down here in the comments section now?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 26, 2012 05:23 AM (eoedh)
The polls are a load of bullshit. Ignore them.
Whatever gets you through the night.
I heard that same BS last cycle when this charlatan was elected. False hope.
Might be better to believe that the majority of the people in this country are idiots, just like the majority of the politicians. Voters & Politicians = idiots.
Posted by: GW McLintock at September 26, 2012 05:23 AM (qwUGR)
"Television personality."
Posted by: AmishDude at September 26, 2012 05:23 AM (T0NGe)
It's about fantasy leagues and betting pools in Vegas. It's about a hugely popular
Suck an egg football boy. It's a game.
Worst. Excuse. Ever. But it's so popular!
Posted by: entropy at September 26, 2012 05:23 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 26, 2012 05:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at September 26, 2012 05:24 AM (Sptt8)
simply do not hold him to the same standards as typical Presidents.
More affirmative action for Prezzy Choom
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2012 05:24 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone spatchcocker at September 26, 2012 05:24 AM (u9Ovu)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at September 26, 2012 05:25 AM (Sptt8)
I demand everyone else cave to union mob pressure because it's holding up the line for my coffee.
The GOP way.
It's like being a strict constitutionalist, except for the places where the constitution is wrong and/or emanates penumbras.
Posted by: entropy at September 26, 2012 05:27 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone spatchcocker at September 26, 2012 05:27 AM (u9Ovu)
I think its the Rasmussen poll coming out in 30 minutes. They want to refute it early. They don't realize we got it 2 hours ago, and have already reworked the averages.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 05:28 AM (o7GQh)
Posted by: sTevo at September 26, 2012 05:28 AM (uIz80)
It used to be when you spent more money on an appliance, it's because you knew it would last longer and you'd get your money's worth. It's not worth it to do that anymore. The expensive crap breaks down just as fast as the cheap stuff, and is usually more expensive to fix.
Buy cheap and replace as necessary.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at September 26, 2012 05:28 AM (4df7R)
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Posted by: AmishDude at September 26, 2012 05:30 AM (T0NGe)
@283
That's good stuff. Turnout model is everything. The art and science and propaganda of polling.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2012 05:30 AM (sOtz/)
Actually, my point is that if it's man-made, then it isn't a right. No amount of wishing or legislation can make something a right. And your questions accept the premise that rights can be man-made.
Or seems to. I may need MOAR COFFEE.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 26, 2012 05:30 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jon at September 26, 2012 09:18 AM (21cGW)"
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C'mon, Jon. You're just mailing it in now.
Posted by: edj at September 26, 2012 05:30 AM (+QKfp)
This is Romney's fault. He is not running many ads and the ones he is, suck big time. I see seven Obama ads for every Romney one.
Where was this huge money advantage Mitt had?
Posted by: Inquiring Minds at September 26, 2012 09:22 AM (TVbdM)
You're probably still thinking this is an election like Bush/Gore or Bush/Kerry, where there was a body of persuadable undecideds. This is not the case today.
Although there is a substantial group of ultra-low information voters, there are few undecideds left. Turnout is the only variable now that matters, which is why the MSM is trying everything possible to depress republican voting.
Mitt's money is better spent on ground operations than filling the airwaves with commercials no one is going to pay attention to.
Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2012 05:31 AM (ZDsRL)
Does she leave the door slightly open after removing the load? Closing off all air inlets to a front loading washer will cause it to mildew inside.
Top loaders don't have this problem because the door is not air tight.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 05:31 AM (YdQQY)
Just to be clear, Quinnipiac is an Obama advertising channel. Here's the demos for their polls:
FL: D/R/I 36/27/33 D+9
OH: D/R/I 35/35/26 D+9
PA: D/R/I 39/28/27 D+11
D+11? Seriously? They have to go to D+11 to get a +12 number for Obama?
At this rate they'll just stop sampling Republicans altogether.
Posted by: AJsDaddie at September 26, 2012 05:31 AM (iT0wB)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 05:32 AM (LpQbZ)
#238 - so the RCP average assumes higher turnout for Dems than 2008? unbelievable
#247 - yea GE appliiances now suck. GE head Immelt is a big O guy
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 05:32 AM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Truman North, iPhone spatchcocker at September 26, 2012 05:32 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: entropy at September 26, 2012 09:29 AM (TULs6)
IF you have someone who is still working on them. All of the shops in my area went out of buisness.
Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 05:33 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 26, 2012 05:34 AM (GvYeG)
You are making excuses for Romney. He is not this invincible candidate that the Republican elites claimed he was. They claimed Romney would put Democratic states in play. That is not happening. He is running one of the worst campaigns in memory. He refuses to take on Obama.
Posted by: Inquiring Minds at September 26, 2012 05:34 AM (6Lik1)
Posted by: Brother Cavil presents at September 26, 2012 05:35 AM (GBXon)
Democratic states aren't in play? WI? MI? PA? None of those are in play?
What are you on, and can I get some?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 26, 2012 05:35 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2012 09:31 AM (ZDsRL)"
I hope so. A Repub buddy of mine who's definitely voting Romney said the other day he was concerned if Romney could even come close to winning. He's a big FNC watcher and was citing the polls they've been reporting as well as what he's been reading.
The conservative blogosphere really needs to amp up reporting the major flaws in these polls and do less bullshit like Malor does here.
Hell, it seems Dick Morris is the only one pointing this out. Hannity had him on the radio yesterday to sooth some of his eeyoring.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 26, 2012 05:36 AM (eoedh)
Romney is in suburban Columbus (Westerville), suburban Cleveland (Bedford Heights), and downtown Toledo. Two out of three in northern Ohio. Two out of three suburbs. On message, on target.
Ryan is in Colorado Springs and Ft. Collins. Biden? Who the hell knows.
Watch what they do, not what they say.
Be not afraid.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 26, 2012 05:36 AM (dcoFe)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 26, 2012 05:36 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 26, 2012 05:37 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: President Eye Candy at September 26, 2012 05:37 AM (/ZZCn)
Good on Rowe. He seems like a cool guy, but I'd hardly call him a "Hollywood star."
Posted by: Torch-Wielding Villager at September 26, 2012 09:21 AM (sTS/
Posted by: AJsDaddie at September 26, 2012 05:37 AM (iT0wB)
Plus all the dollars are going into a "can" to pay for a recording trip to Nashville or Memphis so it's really another expense right now.
But sooo worth it.
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 08:16 AM (RYVE/)
Hey Teej -
I'm in Nashville (and a musician). You get down this way, give a yell. Lot's of good recording options for any and all budgets and I can maybe point you in the right direction depending on what you're looking to do.
Posted by: JQ Public at September 26, 2012 05:37 AM (NBj0d)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD is on Team Alice at September 26, 2012 05:38 AM (VtjlW)
Which reminds me, was it Nobama12 or something like that upthread that didn't want to comment more till they "upped their game?"
Well, the Horde can be a tough audience on occasion, but they keep me on my toes. I can remember getting straightened out a couple of times when I first came here. But it's all good. This place is like Wheaties for the mind.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 05:38 AM (lOmbq)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 26, 2012 05:40 AM (eoedh)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 26, 2012 05:41 AM (GvYeG)
There are natural rights and then there are 'rights' that man infers as springing from these natural rights.
Civil Rights, Gay Rights, Women's Rights, The Right to an Education, Right to Health Care, Wage Rights, the Right to limitless inexpensive cable, etc..
I never said these were Natural but they are inferred and must be argued over, it's scope an limitations.
You are never going have a productive conversation with the American people about the differences between Natural Rights vs. Man-Made rights.
It's just not going to happen. The best you could do is have an argument about it's limits.
Posted by: General Woundwort at September 26, 2012 05:41 AM (06lNq)
http://tinyurl.com/8tyqwne
Posted by: edj at September 26, 2012 05:42 AM (+QKfp)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 26, 2012 05:43 AM (sgNEe)
#293 - I understand it is easy to think we are deluding ourselves by not believing the polls like in 2008 but there are too many data points (2009 VA and NJ, 2010 elections. 2011 WI, etc) to think 2012 will be like 2008. Not only that some of these polls are assuming 2012 will be more De than 2008 which is very hard to believe
#311 - I thought that also - that the R money is going into the ground game rather than ads that people TIVO through
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 05:43 AM (ykY2u)
Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at September 26, 2012 05:44 AM (NBj0d)
If he were winning, especially overwhelmingly, he'd be living in SW Ohio to run up the score. He'd be in Dayton and Cincinnati all the freaking time. He isn't. He's in Cleveland and Akron, where he should have his support all sewn up.
Draw appropriate conclusions from the man's schedule.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 26, 2012 05:45 AM (dcoFe)
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2012 05:45 AM (tOkJB)
And that's the problem. Conservatives set back and let them be inferred, and now we have to combat that notion. But it is important to combat. We'll never win the argument about it's limits, because anyone who can believe that a right can be mandated will believe that the government can mandate it's continuous expansion.
We have to get at the root of the issue, not just combat the symptoms.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at September 26, 2012 05:45 AM (8y9MW)
# 258
Part of that is the appliance...energy saving, water saving, and they don't work very well. The other side of that coin is the removal of phosphates from consumer cleaning products, like laundry detergent, and dishwasher detergent.
You can get around the later by either purchasing the commercial equivalent of your favorite detergents, many of which still contain phosphates, or head down to the local hardware store, and pick up a couple pounds of TSP. Add a quarter cup to each load you run through your washing machine, and about a third of that in your dishwasher, (adjusting quantities for the best results). This is in addition to your regular detergents.
You'll notice the biggest difference in your dishwasher.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 26, 2012 05:45 AM (L7hol)
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2012 05:47 AM (tOkJB)
"invincible candidate" -- Inquiring Minds
LOL! Got a cite for that one? I was pretty sure there would be no bimbo eruptions anyway.
Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2012 05:47 AM (sOtz/)
1. The Bullshit Polls, which even when not handled by commies with an agenda are the definition of a stretch.
2. All of the carping by the union media, and union NFL players about the sub refs, and their dopey echo chamber of uninformed fans. As if our liberties an fortunes are at stake.
What do both of these things have in common?
Yeah, that's right, the motherfocking MFFFFFM.
Posted by: ontherocks at September 26, 2012 05:47 AM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Romneylosesbig at September 26, 2012 05:48 AM (HgJZ+)
Posted by: rickl at September 26, 2012 05:49 AM (zoehZ)
We probably shouldn't be using that sight for anything...as fun as it is to read.
Posted by: H Badger at September 26, 2012 05:49 AM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 26, 2012 05:49 AM (tOkJB)
#332 - that was me. Commenting here is usually greawt (until trolls show up) comments at other sites (Tepid gas, for example) are unreadable.
#324 - agree 1000x why are teh "GOP" pundits and Fox news amplyfing the Dem pysops instead of arguing against it?
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 05:50 AM (ykY2u)
He needs turnout. If he can get slightly better than 2010 turnout, he has a chance. If turnout is 2004 numbers, then Obama is toast. Both sides are working turnout.
However, Romney is working turnout in Obama counties, while Obama is working turnout in Obama counties.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 05:52 AM (o7GQh)
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 26, 2012 05:54 AM (dcoFe)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 26, 2012 08:57 AM (sbV1u)
Fixed
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2012 05:54 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at September 26, 2012 05:54 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Tami at September 26, 2012 05:55 AM (X6akg)
I've got a relative who works for a PR firm that does logistics for focus groups in Michigan. They concentrated on Macomb County, which will decide the way the state goes.
She had no problem filling all the seats for independents and previous Obama voters who were "undecided" (but ultimately were either going to vote Romney or not vote), but they couldn't put one panel together with people who voted McCain and were going to switch.
Only two panels were mixed - men and women - all the rest were strictly women. From what I heard, married, divorced, separated and widowed all leaned to Mitt. Single and young went Obama.
The most underreported scam the MSM is pulling in the polls next to party identification is weighting the women wrong.
Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2012 05:56 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: Romneylosesbig at September 26, 2012 05:57 AM (luJ3e)
agree 1000x why are teh "GOP" pundits and Fox news amplyfing the Dem pysops instead of arguing against it?
Did anyone see that letter signed by Rush, Brent Bozell and a few other conservatives that blasted the MFM for their bias? I saw it over at BadBlue late last night, but haven't seen it this morning. Didn't read it when I had the chance.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 26, 2012 05:57 AM (lOmbq)
Same here in WI. Obama doing a rally in Milwaukee when if he was really in good shape here he'd be up in the Fox River Valley like 2008.
I would expect a visit to Madison at UW campus in a last ditch trip into WI later in Oct.
Posted by: H Badger at September 26, 2012 05:57 AM (n/0Nw)
I'm hoping that when the JEF gets rolled and the Children of the Cornhole engage in their typical temper tantrums of blame shifting, that they turn on the quisling pollsters who "misled" them into complacency. Much hilarity should then ensue.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at September 26, 2012 05:58 AM (y5N0i)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 05:58 AM (HEWhR)
Obama +6
Sample is Dems +2 (reasonable, imo)
Ignore the polls at your own peril."
Jesus, you are really behind aren't you? I've already reweighted and included it in the average. I even mentioned it is D+2.
Using Ras Party ID: O+1
Using 2008: O+7
Using 2010: O+2
Using 2004: O+2
You do realize that it is your constant bullshit that has made us develop these analysis models, right? So you are to blame for us having better data and being able to refute your OFA propaganda.
Thank you.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 05:59 AM (o7GQh)
@362
Pretty sure an anomalous poll result outside the longterm polling average is the correct one. So I'd pack it in, declare martial law, and cancel the elections.
Posted by: Leftard in Prius With Coexist Sticker at September 26, 2012 06:00 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Tami at September 26, 2012 09:55 AM (X6akg)
I heard that earlier; I usually only think of him when I hear Christmas songs
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at September 26, 2012 06:00 AM (y5N0i)
They are following the Rob Portman machine playbook. Obama is trolling for votes he should already have in NE Ohio and on college campuses. Romney is taking territory, not defending territory.
Make of that what you will.
Incidentally, I believe the power of media-agenda polling is in the diminishing return part of the influence cycle, nearly where TV ads are. White noise that people blip by and ignore.
Be not afraid.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 26, 2012 06:02 AM (dcoFe)
#358 - the stock market is up because the Fed has pushed rates to 0 and the money has nowhere else to go. That is why the market rallies whenever the fed announces QE whatever. If rates start heading up the market is coming down
#363 - saw that letter. Problem is Ingraham, O'Reilly, etc. don't seem to have gotten it
Posted by: NoBama12 at September 26, 2012 06:02 AM (ykY2u)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 06:03 AM (LpQbZ)
It smells like you took another poll in your diapers. Better get mommy to change you
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2012 06:04 AM (1Jaio)
I think the WHI is real, and that the internals he just gave out are based on reality. But I don't think they are exact. The "East Coast State" is most likely PA, so read the section written about PA again. The O+4 has a lot of caveats.
But it is easiest to just assume Obama is going to win PA and work with that.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 06:07 AM (o7GQh)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD is on Team Alice at September 26, 2012 06:08 AM (VtjlW)
Consider Children of the Cornhole stolen Cap'n.
I can't wait to smack some unsuspecting suspect across the snotlocker with that one.
Posted by: ontherocks at September 26, 2012 06:09 AM (aZ6ew)
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This is anecdotal but there is a Hispanic guy that helps us around the house (yes, he's legal). He was telling us the other day that he has a friend from Miami, FL visiting. Friend is also legal. Friend told him that the Hispanics in FL are NOT voting for Obama. As our friend put it "They follow Rubio and brother of Bush." (Every time he said, "Brother of Bush", I said, "Jeb". He'd respond, "Yeah, brother of Bush.")
Now I'm sure the Friend from Florida doesn't know how ALL Hispanics in Florida will vote....but it was interesting.
Posted by: Tami at September 26, 2012 06:09 AM (X6akg)
You Pathetic Load of Communal Horse Cum have every excuse under the sun as to why Obama's beating Romney, except the most obvious ones. For starters, all of his competitors in the run-up to the nomination called him a vacillating weather vane, completely dependent upon consultants. When you look at the series of gaffes in that light, even a liberturdian has to say, "hey, ya know what, I'm not sure I believe this android. i mean, I hate Obama's black ass, sure, he's a commie -- but this mannequin ... shit, at least I believe that Barry believes most of what he says." The other reason, which YPLOCHC will NEVER EVER admit, is that the Republicunt party, since it's been hijacked by goat-fucking libertardians whose brain activity is that of a Mississippi boll weavil, has NO MESSAGE to give to the American people that could possibly resonate. Unless, of course, you think that o abortions ever (even due to rape), tax cuts for the "small businesses" (the rich), belt tightening and "tough decisions" (gutting the social safety net IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION, mind you) for the middle class, and, of course, the annihilation of unions (the last guarantee of a living wage for the working class) is an effective message. which YPLOCHC all seem to believe. thank you, libertardian, racist, greedy, self-deceptive fringe dwellers. You can all be proud that YOU, more than anyone else, handed this election over to Obama. (smooches!)
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 26, 2012 06:09 AM (icwKQ)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 06:12 AM (LpQbZ)
What is going on, this can't be just because of the Rasmussen poll. I think Allen is right, they are trying to get ahead of something, I wonder what?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 06:12 AM (o7GQh)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 26, 2012 06:12 AM (GvYeG)
Snacking on Sandra Bernhard's cooter hasn't worked out well for you.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at September 26, 2012 06:13 AM (y5N0i)
Actually two, New Hampshire looks off the table too and in Romney's column.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 26, 2012 06:13 AM (o7GQh)
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 06:13 AM (JCIjD)
Posted by: Gran at September 26, 2012 06:16 AM (mw0FO)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 06:16 AM (LpQbZ)
"If they turn out in large numbers, Hispanics could sway the outcome in several swing states."
Hispanics in most of the swing states make up a very small percentage of the voters. Even those who are counted as "Hispanic" may be whiter than Romney, however the MSM interprets their presence as if they just swam across the Rio Grand.
Posted by: jwest at September 26, 2012 06:16 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 26, 2012 06:17 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 06:17 AM (LpQbZ)
Uh, guys? Saying "half - or almost half - of the electorate sucks" may well be true, but I don't see it as a winning message in a democracy.
Put another way, the Makers vs. Takers distinction may also well be true, but. Goody goody gumdrops that it resonates with a fired-up base who already believes it. But those people were never going to be 0bam voters anyway. Romney should have been able to win that demographic just by breathing (the ABO, crawl-over-broken-glass vote).
If that line of messaging turns off enough people in the middle and in swing states, it's not a winning message. I know y'all think the REAL majority is with you, and ALL the polls are LIES. Good luck with that.
Posted by: controll of concernitude at September 26, 2012 06:18 AM (n0Yvg)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 06:19 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at September 26, 2012 06:19 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: tofer732 at September 26, 2012 06:21 AM (2zM0P)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at September 26, 2012 10:19 AM (QupBk)
Is that the simple fuck under a different moniker? He usually can't help from using the term "knucklehead" although he might be trying to adopt a different personality to match all the voices screaming for attention in his otherwise empty noggin. Funnyt that he uses Deniro's character in the King of Comedy as his nic since that's how I think of Preznit Talk Show.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at September 26, 2012 06:27 AM (y5N0i)
He's hanging by his fingernails while getting 10 fingers and 3 inches from the MFM.
Their obfuscation of the Libyan travesty is beyond even what they had planned to deliver.
That shithead is gonna need a baker's dozen Oct Surprises to pull this out.
Posted by: ontherocks at September 26, 2012 06:30 AM (aZ6ew)
Complaining about media bias is a broken record and just makes us look whiny. Was the media biased in 1980? 1984? 1988? 2000? 2004? 2010? Yes! And for a long time there was NONE of the counterweight. Heard of Fox News? Rush, and talk radio generally? or AoSHQ and the dextroblogosphere generally?
Look: either the old media is a dying shell (Fox ratings kick ass vs. NBC etc.; NYT and WaPo are circling the drain, so who gives a shit about what they say) or the dread MSM bias actually matters. I don't see how it can be both.
Posted by: troll of concernitude at September 26, 2012 06:30 AM (n0Yvg)
They are closet conservatives, and can't get enough.
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 10:19 AM (LpQbZ)
...
...
hell, for all you know, i may be a traditional family values kinda guy. and, fyi, the only thing i can't get enough of is wacthing you all communally gargle on your own horse cum until that magical tuesday in november when you emit that big "GULP!" in unison. aaaaahhhh - good stuff.
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 26, 2012 06:31 AM (icwKQ)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD is on Team Alice at September 26, 2012 10:08 AM (VtjlW)
There's another kind?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 26, 2012 06:32 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 26, 2012 10:31 AM (icwKQ)
Marrying your sister doesn't make you a traditional family values guy
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 26, 2012 06:33 AM (1Jaio)
All the drummers are better than me too but I have fun.
Posted by: teej says go K-State at September 26, 2012 09:58 AM (HEWhR)
Music fun is the end-all, be-all brother. God knows the business sucks. Moron beer would be good. TN is the 'natural' home of all morons, IMHO.
375 This place is like Wheaties for the mind.
Profanity riddled, pornographic, crack laced Wheaties.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD is on Team Alice at September 26, 2012 10:08 AM (VtjlW)
They MAKE those?!?! Where?
Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at September 26, 2012 06:38 AM (NBj0d)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 06:39 AM (LpQbZ)
(BTW, I'm not angling for business here, unless you happen to live in my state, all I can offer is advice)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 26, 2012 06:39 AM (aH+zP)
Posted by: Gran at September 26, 2012 06:41 AM (mw0FO)
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin, Esq. at September 26, 2012 10:31 AM (icwKQ)
You seem to have a thing for 'horse cum.' I think we can safely say you're not a 'traditional family values' kind of guy. Still, the thought that actually bothers me most right now is our long, overly detailed experience witnessing liberal 'projection.' Leave the kids alone. Seek help. Before its too late.
Posted by: Is what JQ Public is thinking... at September 26, 2012 06:42 AM (NBj0d)
Posted by: that f*cking guy at September 26, 2012 06:43 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 26, 2012 06:44 AM (aH+zP)
Profanity riddled, pornographic, crack laced Wheaties.
With a free pair of stompy boots in every box.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 26, 2012 07:20 AM (zF6Iw)
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Posted by: Vic at September 26, 2012 02:54 AM (YdQQY)