November 12, 2012
— Ace Some thoughts from Zero Hedge, via Instapundit, on what it all means.
“Obama’s winning tactic was to do what any respectable man does when he wishes to have something; he bought it. From cell phones and contraceptives to food stamps and unemployment benefits, the Obama administration kept the money flowing to ensure a steady turnout on Election Day. The coup de grâce was painting his opponent as a second coming of Dickens’ Scrooge that was ready to cut the voters from their trust funds. The campaign made no attempt to hide this tactic.”
I just heard an anecdote about a conservative who voted for Obama. He'd voted conservative in every past election. The difference this year was that he was out of work and had not made a mortgage payment on his house for two years. He was still able to live in the house, without foreclosure and eviction, because, he thought, of Obama. And Mitt Romney would wind up speeding up the process of foreclosure.
It is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having presided over such a disastrous economy, but there it is: Because the economy is so weak, and people are so miserable and just holding on to their fingernails, the Catastrophic President becomes the only lifeline available to many. They wind up caring less about the economy as a general matter, because their survival instincts are just to keep themselves sheltered and fed. They are looking at the current moment, scared as hell of the next.
Which is a bit like welfare addiction, generally: It keeps you dependent on it so you don't search for alternatives which are better for you, both financially and spiritually. And you'll fight like hell to keep on it, because, at the moment, it's what's putting food in your mouth.
It could be that Obama has failed himself into victory. It just might be that he's created such a nightmare of circumstances that far too few people will even listen to persuasion.
Related Thought: I think the entire movement is depressed -- almost suicidally -- and it's never a good time to make important decisions with far-reaching consequences when you're in such a state. I think we need to get some perspective on things before committing ourselves to wholesale changes. We need some data, and we need some thinking.
It strikes me that the public made a similar impulsive decision under emotional stress.
Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty.
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Posted by: redc1c4 at November 12, 2012 11:39 AM (8MasJ)
Posted by: Triumph, the OWS Comical Movement at November 12, 2012 11:40 AM (CUi62)
I guess the opposite is true. A liberal is now a conservative who got laid off.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 11:40 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 11:41 AM (b1TCv)
May he live in a cardboard box for the rest of his life. Only an an asshole votes for the frigging stooge that put you in that place to start with.
Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 11:41 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Hillary at November 12, 2012 11:41 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 11:42 AM (r2PLg)
after all, it's not like the economy is going to improve any time soon, especially here in Failfornia, so i might as well get my fair share of the pie. if i can't find a j*b, i might as well at least get back some of the $$ HRH has raped from her check every payday.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 12, 2012 11:42 AM (8MasJ)
I guess the opposite is true. A liberal is now a conservative who got laid off."
Truly a fascinating dynamic we're watching play out.
But it all points to PAIN in our future. Math cannot be suspended.
FDR had a war to bail him out.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 11:42 AM (MmH0Z)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:42 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:43 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 11:43 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 12, 2012 11:44 AM (DoZD+)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 11:45 AM (MmH0Z)
Posted by: Minuteman at November 12, 2012 11:45 AM (t8QfJ)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 11:45 AM (0q2P7)
Today, grease money has been replaced by taxpayer money. Not because campaigns are incapable of raising money, but because taxpayer money is perpetual, thus working harder to buy a vote in perpetuity.
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at November 12, 2012 11:45 AM (BvTwT)
Posted by: Math at November 12, 2012 03:44 PM (NF2Bf)
I never doubted you. Can I be spared the pain, please?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:45 AM (8y9MW)
I tried to tell my dad Romney had an uphil struggle because people still blame the GOP for the economic bomb that went off and because they don't realize the dems were to blame. They only see who was in charge when things crashed, not who built and planted the bomb.
I was afraid something like this might happen. Too many saw obama as a lifeline rather than the anchor that he is.
Posted by: Hard Right at November 12, 2012 11:46 AM (uhftQ)
Obama is the kid who murdered his parents and now seeks leniency because he's an orphan. Unfortunately, in Obama's case it seems to have worked.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 12, 2012 11:46 AM (QKKT0)
I never doubted you. Can I be spared the pain, please?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
NO
Posted by: SMOD at November 12, 2012 11:46 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: Justamom at November 12, 2012 11:47 AM (HEWhR)
Posted by: Ace at 03:37 PM
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Eh? I think this conclusion is self-evident............as in 'water is wet'.
Posted by: Not and Artist at November 12, 2012 11:47 AM (uRumV)
Just got back from trying to find a petition to sign for OK to secede. I found the one for TX (and they're doing well) but the one I found for OK demands that I create an account with a WH.org site. Are there any others? Seems to me the WH site is just a name-gathering attempt.
Can someone in the know direct me, please.
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 11:47 AM (00XQo)
That!!!
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 11:47 AM (kpCLl)
yes. absolutely.
Posted by: runner at November 12, 2012 11:47 AM (WR5xI)
No, not really. They would have to up the fantasy of entitlement.
The people that will be turned on will be those who still have jobs.
Posted by: RayJ at November 12, 2012 11:47 AM (pI/IV)
When Josef Stalin was on his deathbed he called in two likely successors, to test which one of the two had a better knack for ruling the country.
He ordered two birds to be brought in and presented one bird to each of the two candidates.
The first one grabbed the bird, but was so afraid that the bird could free himself from his grip and fly away that he squeezed his hand very hard, and when he opened his palm, the bird was dead.
Seeing the disapproving look on Stalin's face and being afraid to repeat his rival's mistake, the second candidate loosened his grip so much that the bird freed himself and flew away.
Stalin looked at both of them scornfully. "Bring me a bird!" he ordered.
They did.
Stalin took the bird by its legs and slowly, one by one, he plucked all the feathers from the bird's little body.
Then he opened his palm. The bird was laying there naked, shivering, helpless.
Stalin looked at him, smiled gently and said, "You see... and he is even thankful for the human warmth coming out of my palm."
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 11:48 AM (06lNq)
Posted by: Yip at November 12, 2012 11:48 AM (Mrdk1)
Posted by: ryukyu at November 12, 2012 11:48 AM (Cvyuv)
Posted by: Deathknyte at November 12, 2012 11:48 AM (dDHi/)
Posted by: Y-not at November 12, 2012 11:48 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Martin at November 12, 2012 11:48 AM (MSrqi)
Which isn't to say we shouldn't mock them mercilessly, but there will be limits.
Posted by: Iblis at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (9221z)
Ya know on "Handy Manny" all the "good" characters either speak with a Latin accent or entirely fluent Spanish.
My 5 year old asked: How come the show keeps trying telling me Spanish words, but the Flashlight doesn't speak any English but no one is teaching him how to speak English?
Hmmmmmm???
Posted by: meh at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (W2qJe)
Not that I know of. And, yes, it may be. So be it.
FWIW, you have to choose to be sent stupid White House emails, so at least you're not signing up for spam.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: John Boehner at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (FcR7P)
So he voted for the guy who would ensure that he won't have a job for the next 4 years but no mortgage payments so vote Barry
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (1Jaio)
I don't mean revolution. I mean government bureaucracies with empty pockets, so the piglets will have to do without the sow's teats and thus wean themselves.
Posted by: Sphynx at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (j2McS)
Posted by: Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: Obama Fone! at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (ypzqs)
Oh the Gods of the Copy Book Heading, along with terror and slaughter are about to make a comeback tour.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 11:49 AM (0q2P7)
Oh, please, let him be in Ohio and have just had his food stamps snatched back. Oh, please, please, please . . .
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 11:50 AM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 12, 2012 11:50 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Born Free at November 12, 2012 11:50 AM (eTWFH)
Next Phase:
All conservatives not already enrolled, apply for Food stamps.
Break it. Faster, please.
Posted by: T. Hunter wondering what's next? at November 12, 2012 11:50 AM (EZl54)
Sorry, the 'conservative' in your anecdote was never a conservative. He may have talked like a conservative but he was not a conservative.
Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 11:50 AM (m2CN7)
Our little Jersey beach cottage took water in the crawlspace and fried the heater and water heater. After surveying the damage, The Bride and I went for a sandwich. At the counter were little cards with info on how to apply for recovery aid.
I looked at her and asked if maybe we should apply for some money to help repair the units. She said, "You know that money isn't there for us. Only for people who didn't save up for an emegency like this." But it had never occured to either of us until then to ask for help from the government.
Posted by: spongeworthy at November 12, 2012 11:50 AM (r5w1L)
The solution to this mess is for government to stop spending, but people are now depending on the government. Convincing people that such pain is worth it is difficult.
I'm beginning to thing WWII really was the end of the Great Depression, but not because of the spending. It's because everyone who sacrificed for the war, and knew the level of pain they could cope with. The experience let them laugh at the idea of austerity, because they'd been through worse.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 12, 2012 11:51 AM (4+LTj)
Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 11:51 AM (sRIFP)
There are two very fundamental failings of virtue here, both are equally disturbing.
1. He failed to use his vote to do what was best for the country and instead focused on how he could benefit the most.
2. He voted for temporary security over freedom.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 11:51 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 11:52 AM (QxSug)
Here's something I posted about two months before Election Day.
I am personally aware of a guy who should, demographically and philosophically, be a core GOP voter. Except he lost his job to downsizing. And could not find another job. He is on disability now. That's his only remaining lifeline.
What's your elevator pitch to this guy about why he should vote Republican?
Because there are tens of millions of people like him. He, and they, could get off the disability teat and go to work, if there were abundant work to be had.
But it's hard to make that pitch when the previous GOP President presided over eight years of downsizing, outsourcing, factories closing left and right, and H-1Bs coming in to take over the remaining American citizens' jobs.
It's even harder when the previous GOP President had zero net private sector job growth over his eight years in office.
As I've said repeatedly before, the Bush family destroyed post-Reagan conservatism. We now have to pick up the shattered fragments the Bushes left us to work with.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 11:52 AM (ymG7s)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 11:52 AM (FcR7P)
What's the finish to that quote? "Deserves neither?"
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 12, 2012 11:52 AM (4+LTj)
Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 11:52 AM (m2CN7)
Wonder who'll give the prayer at his next coronation? Rev. Wright? Crazy Louie Farrakhan? Father Pfleger?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 11:53 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 11:53 AM (TR60b)
Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 11:53 AM (sRIFP)
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 12, 2012 11:53 AM (tYaDf)
Posted by: The Great and Secret Show at November 12, 2012 11:53 AM (qBtUE)
One thing is for sure: 2014 won't be like 2010.
2010 caught the liberals flatfooted. 2012 showed that micro-targeting works. If the liberals got all the Obama voters motivated to vote in the off-year election, the senate won't be taken back.
Republicans better get them some micro-targeting and make it work quick.
Posted by: SnowSun at November 12, 2012 11:54 AM (UAUr6)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
NO
Posted by: SMOD at November 12, 2012 03:46 PM (NF2Bf)
Leave some for me.
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at November 12, 2012 11:54 AM (9SwFX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:54 AM (79ueO)
As I've said repeatedly before, the Bush family destroyed post-Reagan conservatism. We now have to pick up the shattered fragments the Bushes left us to work with.
You can repeat a foolish thing a million times and it won't make that thing not foolish.
Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 11:54 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 12, 2012 11:55 AM (zYCz+)
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at November 12, 2012 11:55 AM (7x9pP)
"Next Phase:
All conservatives not already enrolled, apply for Food stamps.
Break it. Faster, please. "
Is this even possible for a childless, married, employed, middle-class, melanin-deficient couple? 'Cuz I'm down for some EBT.
Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 11:55 AM (4I3Uo)
And it's totally an accident. Tooootally.
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at November 12, 2012 11:55 AM (HSQgV)
No Bailouts for the Blue States that are broke.
Nada.
Not one dime.
It would only delay the burn.
Without bailouts...the profligate spending in those states will become Examples of what a failure Liberal Policies are.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 11:55 AM (ICEh3)
I tend to agree with this. I was in eastern OH twice over the election season and while the people may not seem like the type to support Obama, their economy is hanging on by threads.
It would not surprise me in the least to learn how many are dependent on transfer programs for much of their livelihood
Posted by: @huffpeter at November 12, 2012 11:55 AM (NHNJt)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 11:55 AM (pIJ3e)
No real conservative would vote for Obama. And how did he vote for a conservative in every election? We haven't had a conservative run since RR.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 11:56 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 11:56 AM (6JMZR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 11:56 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: Martin at November 12, 2012 11:56 AM (MSrqi)
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Did he stop paying the property taxes too?
Posted by: Tami at November 12, 2012 11:56 AM (X6akg)
We need a reliable poll of the idiots that sat it out. Obama didn't win, the Republican voters surrendered.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 11:57 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 11:57 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 11:57 AM (XkWWK)
I was going to say something similar. Calling him stupid and hoping he dies is not the best sales pitch.
Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 11:57 AM (cgOkw)
Rodney Booker said, “I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.”
Give him a gift card for standing in line. I imagine that if even if the city would hire him on the spot Rodney wouldn't have taken the work.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 11:58 AM (1Jaio)
I've said it before: we need to become the "Liberty" Party.
We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."
We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."
We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."
See?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 11:58 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Mr pink at November 12, 2012 11:58 AM (X/nTQ)
I know plenty of "conservatives" like the one Ace mentioned. They want to identify with us because they believe in our ideas, but when the chips are down they go along with the libs. Those battleground polls people like Rush talk about that show 40% of the American electorate identifies as Conservative are bullshit for that very reason. Some don't know what it means to be a Conservative ideologically, others go wobbly when they are under duress personally.
Conservatism means everyone must deal with the consequences for their bad decisions. That is how we all learn. However, given what American culture has become, how in the hell are we going to win with that message? The answer is we won't. Until the day when the REAL financial collapse arrives.
Posted by: Ken Royall at November 12, 2012 11:58 AM (x0g8a)
Posted by: OJ at November 12, 2012 11:58 AM (6JMZR)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 11:58 AM (VtjlW)
Because the GOP refused to have that fight when they had leverage. When Wall Street and Treasury started screaming for TARP and they had to have the Republicans votes for the bailout we absolutely positively had to have right away to stop Finace-ageddon the Republicans should have insisted on hearings and fixing the CRA before any funds were released.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 11:59 AM (BF5Y9)
Here's one. Romney could have run commercials about illegal immigration, taking the issue head on. Saying with brutal simplicity that he values American citizens having jobs more than he values illegal immigrants having jobs. Framing the issue around work for citizens.
"There are five million long-term unemployed in this country who are U.S. citizens. My first priority is getting those people back to work in good paying, self supporting jobs. And we simply can't do that if those jobseeking citizens have to compete with a flood of cheap illegal labor."
He would have lost Hispanics if he did that, but it's not like he won them anyway.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 11:59 AM (ymG7s)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 11:59 AM (XkWWK)
Kasper Hauser: "Well that ain't going to work. Bush tried it and we went from a balanced budget to double the debt in 8 years."
I don't disagree with the need to increase revenues somewhat, but this is incredibly vapid for a Moron.
Posted by: spongeworthy at November 12, 2012 11:59 AM (r5w1L)
That actually makes perfect sense. It's probably why so many folks voted for Obama despite the lousy economy. Because they felt he'd take care of them during these difficult times while Romney would end the gravy train(even if they believed he'd be better at getting the economy turned around).
The catch of course is that the gravy train must come to a stop at some point since we're 16 trillion the hole with no end in sight to the trillion-dollar annual deficits. To say nothing of the 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities hovering over us. It's already happening in fact with the announcement today that the Feds are cutting $3 billion in food stamps to O-I-H-O(funny how they waited a week after the election to announce that).
So once those government checks and benefits dry up and the folks dependent on them still can't find work, all the promises in the world won't help the Dems at the ballot box. These people won't necessarily vote Republican, but they won't exactly be eager to show up to pull the lever for the Democrat Party either. The only downside is the collapse in support for the Dems will coincide with massive civil unrest.
Posted by: Adam_ME at November 12, 2012 11:59 AM (5Grsh)
Then, little by little, the free shit will just...go away. Either that, or the "regular folk" will take the place of the "rich", and get taxed out of existence.
Either way, somebody's gonna get pissed.
Pass the popcorn, please.
Posted by: antisocialist at November 12, 2012 12:00 PM (j/nZn)
Show a map of California. List California's dire economic statistics. Point out that California has the nation's largest contingent of illegal aliens. Roll some of the many quotes from Democrats about how illegal aliens are actually a source of economic strength. Let the disparity between the claims and the reality speak for itself.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 12:00 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (TR60b)
Don't forget: He cared about ME.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 12:00 PM (MmH0Z)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 12, 2012 12:00 PM (qBtUE)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 12:00 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: soothsayer at November 12, 2012 12:01 PM (b1TCv)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 12, 2012 12:01 PM (2rMmy)
Posted by: 12th Imam at November 12, 2012 12:01 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: VJay at November 12, 2012 12:01 PM (q5NFp)
Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 12, 2012 12:01 PM (QxSug)
Obama's strategy all along, to him a feature, not a bug.
Cloward-Piven strategy FTW.
Posted by: cool breeze at November 12, 2012 12:01 PM (A+/8k)
We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."
We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."
We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."
I like that.
Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 12:02 PM (cgOkw)
I thought it was because we're all filthy abortion-opposing racists. Maybe Hector can explain this to you so you will understand the error of your ways.
Posted by: Achilles at November 12, 2012 12:02 PM (ggRof)
Indeed. I was appalled when I heard John Kobylt, one of the two guys on the biggest afternoon drive time AM radio show in Southern CA, state casually that Bush was at fault for the MBS debacle.
Now, John isn't a serious reader of anything, as any casual listener can discern. But it is truly dismaying that somebody in hi position doesn't know better and in turn spreads disinformation to the same public he decries for passing Prop. 30.
The financial sector is going to do whatever politicians encourage them to do. Any artificial distortion of a market by the government is an opportunity to profit. To think that those in a position to do so aren't going to react accordingly is imbecilic. To only constraint is the fear of failure and loss. This makes government bailouts the ultimate market distortion.
The real estate debacle had its roots in magical thinking by politicians, who had been told that high home ownership was a sign of a good economy and therefore decided that creating high home ownership by any means at hand would make the economy better. But they had it desperately wrong. High home ownership is the result of a good economy, not a cause. The equation does not work backwards and you cannot cure the disease by disguising the symptoms.
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 12:02 PM (kcfmt)
I've said it before: we need to become the "Liberty" Party.
We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."
We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."
We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."
See?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (8y9MW)
And in California were not for "porn stars not wearing condoms", we're for "Money shot liberty for professional thespians." We would also be for professional lesbians, but wearing condoms just isn't thier thing.
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 12:02 PM (t06LC)
And that's how it gets cemented into the public conscience.
When the right proclaims that the left wants a bad economy, to make people dependent, and gets thrashed for saying it, this is what they mean.
Posted by: flashbazzbo, s.e. at November 12, 2012 12:02 PM (i0rVe)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 12:03 PM (r2PLg)
Lefties who usually swarm like buzzards to a shit wagon at any mention of republicans have not responded.
Feel free to cut and paste to your own FB page to see what kind of response you get, if you get any. Don't engage in flame wars, the point is to see if the lefties have anything to sell other than hatred of Republicans
Here it is;
The Republican Party's brand name is damaged beyond repair, and if it's a dead man walking, let's put it out of it's misery.
The question is to leftists; when there's no Republican party, politics like nature abhors a vacuum and surely another party for those not married to the Democrats will arise with an entirely new brand.
What would you do to retain voters? Remember, there is no longer a Republican Party so you can't point out you're not them, because then you're punching at ghosts.
What are your positive selling points?
Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 12:03 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 12:03 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 12:03 PM (2t6Gz)
That's more or less what he DID do, and it really pissed me off. Of course he was all nice about it, but the underlying message was fiscal sense.
That said, the only hope now is that Boner and the other fuckwits in Congress grow a pair and tell the public "we are now out of money and the Free Shit Cascade has ended." That is the simple truth, as much as Choom Boy's toe-suckers won't want to hear it.
Oh, and Vic (#97): I know you're a sharp guy, but the last thing we need to do is pay any attention to polls for the foreseeable future. Between agonizing over them and rejiggering them, we helped box ourselves into a corner. No polls, amigo.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 12, 2012 12:03 PM (yKUrR)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 12:03 PM (40anC)
Posted by: Pigilito at November 12, 2012 12:04 PM (yw6Yn)
Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 12:04 PM (sRIFP)
Guess I was (several days) ahead of my time...
Posted by: Mudshark at November 12, 2012 12:04 PM (5GzEQ)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 03:53 PM (TR60b)
...and that about wraps it up for "compassionate conservatism" ( heave, retch) .
reset
break it.
faster, please.
#LetItBurn
Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 12:04 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 12:05 PM (40anC)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 12, 2012 12:05 PM (WvXvd)
I find the fiscal cliff a welcoming solution. We will never be able to expand the tax base doing business as usual. The tax cut policy of the GOP was so successful that it is now backfiring. In exhange for lowered rates at the top, we always had to lower rates at the bottom. This was never done lineraly. Now we have cut people out of the federal tax system altogether. They will never go voluntarily back on. You cannot tax the rich enough, we need a broader tax base.
Further, we obviously cannot just stop unemployment.
So you asked for miracles. I bring you the fiscal cliff. The tax rolls get expanded and unemployment stops. There won't be an election for another 22 months after this happens. This gives us a little time to assess.
Posted by: SH at November 12, 2012 12:05 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Crazed Homicidal Islamist Suddenly Barging Through the Door at November 12, 2012 12:05 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 03:59 PM (BF5Y9)
Threadwinner!
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 12:05 PM (kpCLl)
103 We lost because the GOP has nothing to say but 'Tax Cuts!!".
I've said it before: we need to become the "Liberty" Party.
We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."
We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."
We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."
See?
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I agree, AllenG.
What I like about the Republican party...is that it is the party of Freedom.
But this argument falls apart with the abortion issue.
Telling women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to choose an abortion, is contrary to the idea of being the party of Liberty.
There are a lot of men who are pro-choice.
They want to have that option available.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 12:05 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 03:57 PM (YdQQY)
Obama still won. Shouldn't have been close enough for this factor to have influenced it.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 12:05 PM (MmH0Z)
Absolutely. Knee-jerk reactions are only as useful for information as letting someone pound on your knee with a hammer and watching whether your knee...
1. Jerks
2. Does not jerk
There is plenty of information that needs to be processed. My main takeaways so far:
1. Should have been a win -- four states and 440,000 votes is actually better then the six states and 1,000,000 votes that McCain lost by.
2. Software suckage- if West Philly precincts can turn out 99% with a printout and a couple of .59 sharpies, then 'Mission Critical' applications are a big waste of money. Notice they aren't called 'Mission Necessary' or 'Mission Would Be Nice'. They are either critical to the success or failure of an election or they are not. I don't think the time to roll out .05 v 1.0 software is Election Day.
3. I think conservatives turned out for Romney this time, but I don't think they turned out for McCain. I have only the slightly blemished
seat of my pants' for this determination... but Ryan. I think evangelicals turned out, too. Same blemish. I don't think the squishy middle, or women wanted to pull the lever for Romney, and I suspect Rowe vs Wade had something to do with it. I've spent a couple decades trying to figure out the difference between what people say they feel -- 'self-report' and what observers notice they actually do -- like election results. I think women 'report' to being opposed to abortion but don't want the option removed. Third rail stuff, imo.
4. It wouldn't surprise me in the least, if some future historian, after all the votes are counted, all the fraud is discounted, all the provisional ballets are compared to people who voted twice in effect, would decide that R/R won by a whisker. But that's not gonna fill my glass with ethanol so...
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 12, 2012 12:06 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (pIJ3e)
I was out of work for three of the last four years. I'm working now for 30% less than I was in 2008, with a commute that is twice as long with gas prices twice as high. I sure as hell knew who to blame for that.
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (X3lox)
One of the most obnoxious persons I dealt with working phone bank was guy who stated he was a teacher (so we know his motives) and used excuse against Romney as "he wanted GM to go bankrupt!" He wouldn't believe Obama did put GM through bankruptcy with out making it stronger, screwed Delphi, Teacher Union pensions, while being back to their precarious financial condition. He would buy that Romney wanted a structured bankruptcy to make them come out stronger, he stated "that's not what Romney said - Romney said just let them go bankrupt". Ugh. Didn't get a chance to ask what subject he taught.
This guy also didn't know education wasn't in the Constitution and was not a federal issue. Did ask the guy what he thought of Feds paying only 7% towards school operating cost, but shoving all kinds of mandates, interfering with the education process. One point of agreement.
Posted by: Deli LLama at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (lGu1O)
What I saw in this election was a bunch of low income, low education white voters sitting at home on the couch.
Those people got smacked in the chops economically between 2000 and 2008 and they're embittered about it.
On whose watch was that again?
Yes, nonwhite demographics trend against the GOP. But if the party had turned out merely another half million whites last week, out of what's still the largest ethnic bloc by far in the country, we'd be discussing the makeup of the coming Romney cabinet.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (r2PLg)
It is time to use the power of the federal government to hurt the left, not enable it.,
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 12, 2012 04:02 PM (OWjjx)
This. It's way past time we dropped a nuke on our opponents. We need to play in the Real world, not the abstract world of ideas. We need to attack the media financially and put them out of business.
If we were Democrats, we would be suing them for discrimination, suing them for illegal campaign contributions disguised as news, and we would be Demanding the FCC revoke their license. In other words, we would be trying to HURT them.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:07 PM (R9579)
This is not an attractive choice.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 12, 2012 12:08 PM (SX6wc)
Posted by: blehzor at November 12, 2012 12:08 PM (s9K+V)
So you either become him or you wait for his mask to come off.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 12:08 PM (MmH0Z)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 12:08 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (3Y7RV)
Barack Obama ushered in AmericaÂ’s first large-scale experiment in personality-cult politics. The experiment continues apace. Obama got reelected because he enjoys a degree of personal popularity disconnected from his record. No modern president has ever been returned to office with employment figures and right-track-wrong-track numbers as poor as those Obama has achieved.
Obama couldn’t run on his record, which proved to be no problem—Americans didn’t vote on his record. According to exit polls, 77 percent of voters said the economy is bad and only 25 percent said they’re better off than they were four years ago. But since six in ten voters claimed the economy as their number one issue, it’s clear this election wasn’t about issues at all.
The president’s reelection is not evidence of a new liberal America, but rather of the illogical and confused experience that is infatuation. For multiple reasons, Americans continue to have a crush on Barack Obama even after his universally panned first term. No longer quite head over heels, they’re at the “I know he’s no good for me, but I can change him” phase. Whatever this means, it surely doesn’t suggest conservatives would be wise to move closer to policies that aren’t even popular among Obama supporters.
Why isnÂ’t soul searching underway on the left? When the personality at the center of the cult leaves the stage in four years, Democrats will own his results without the benefit of his appeal. We canÂ’t know quite what a second Obama term will bring, but if his first term is an indication, thereÂ’s little reason to expect his party will be crowing. The fiscal cliff is here but a whole landscape of steep drops comes next: the economic cliff (over which lies a possible double-dip recession), the Obamacare cliff (over which lies an unprecedented bureaucratic behemoth), the Iran cliff (over which lies a nuclear bomb), and so on. A precipice in every direction and a president whoÂ’s given us no reason to presume he can steer clear. Have Democrats stopped to wonder what initiatives theyÂ’ll have to defend when the dust settles in 2016?
Already Obama has signaled he’s continuing policies that don’t meet the moment. There’s the assurance of more taxes, of course. But that’s not all. On Friday, citing ecological concerns, the administration closed off 1.6 million acres of federal land in western states from planned oil shale extraction. An American energy boom lies in wait underground and Obama is determined to keep it there. Abroad, the groundwork is being laid to offer Iran a fanciful “grand bargain” in an effort to halt its work on a nuclear weapon. Think “Russian reset” with fanatical theocrats.
Perhaps Democrats are confident purely because of their stance on social issues. But as a tactical matter (principle and ideology are a different question), is doesn’t make sense for Republicans to fret over the culture and identity wars that have transfixed the left. Gay marriage as a presidential issue is off the table. The November election showed the future of that question lives at the state level, which is both a popular and conservative approach. Obama himself has said he’ll do nothing about it nationally. Multiple polls taken this year show opposition to abortion is at least as high as it’s been in 15 years. By 2016, the new class war will surely have wound down after Americans see that making the “rich pay their fare share” didn’t solve everyone else’s problems and in fact created new ones.
On immigration reform, of course conservatives should act. That was true before ObamaÂ’s reelection; itÂ’s now inevitable. In the next four years, serious Republicans will offer policies aiming to give foreign workers a path to citizenship. Leaders like Marco Rubio have already gotten a brilliant head start.
It is in the nature of personality cults to fail at most things beyond generating and disseminating propaganda. This inability is the result of two things. First, the personalityÂ’s popularity is not results-driven. Since adoration hasnÂ’t been earned by achievement but by the advent of charisma, why kill yourself trying to get results. Second, few people are willing to candidly critique the personality at the center of the cult, so there is little chance of course correction. None of this bodes well for Barack Obama. And for the countryÂ’s sake, letÂ’s hope itÂ’s wrong.
To effect a revolution in American politics, you have to set parameters that successors will be compelled to heed. FDR implemented programs that at least produced identifiable results before revealing their unsustainable flaws. Bill Clinton had no problem declaring the age of big government over because Ronald Reagan had ushered in a prosperous era in which this was so. What part of the Obama agenda will resonate when isolated from the Obama phenomenon? ItÂ’s too soon to say, but not too soon wonder.
Posted by: LTC Graham at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (SwEjg)
No, not really. They would have to up the fantasy of entitlement.
The people that will be turned on will be those who still have jobs.
Posted by: RayJ at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (pI/IV)
We'll all be in the same world of Shit. The world economy will collapse after the dollar is quantitatively eased to nothing. We'll wake up one morning, maybe even tomorrow morning, and hyperinflation will kick in and everyone's money in the bank will visibly sublimate as prices rise exponetially.
Everyone will be trying to dump their currency or whatever digits their bank account has for some tangible item that has some value in the real world.
What Obama has done is like what FDR did, get elected by Ponzi, except Obama has done it at the top of the pyramid instead of the bottom. The economy as it relates to the government has exhausted its design margin.
Posted by: Minuteman at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (t8QfJ)
Really thats why we need to let the system burn.while people still have hope they can hang on to their stuff by fee loading off the government they vote to keep the big government party in power.but when they lose everything then and only then will they turn their wrath on the party that failed them
Posted by: kj at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (AW9md)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 12, 2012 03:46 PM
Not the first time either !!!
Posted by: The Menendez Brothers at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (yKUrR)
We need to know why they sat it out. And yes, enough did that in key States to give Obama the election.
Did they sit it out because they didn't like Romney's record? That is a key question and it would tell the RNC leadership they need to fix some shit in how we nominate our candidates.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (TR60b)
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (znT2j)
Here it is - we need to say to hell with "electability". Screw the independents...time for them to make their f'ing minds up. Screw the "undecideds"...know what they are? Attention whores, loving the hell out of being the object of everyone's undying devotion right up to the very end of the election cycle.
Electability didn't get Romney elected this time, did it? Nor did it get McRINO elected in '08. So, time to show the public some tough love. Put someone out there who isn't afraid of offending anyone by pointing out that the Emperor really is butt ass nekkid.
If debating the real issues, without fear of repercussions from the Old Guard of the GOP, doesn't win us any popularity contests, it will damn sure get those issues out there where they can't be ignored or denied out of existence.
It's too late for this election...but not too late for this country. In fact, it needs to start right now, as soon as the sting of November 6th eases up a little bit.
Posted by: antisocialist at November 12, 2012 12:09 PM (j/nZn)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 12:10 PM (6JMZR)
Restrict the suffrage. That's the only way to stanch the flow at this point.
But it will NEVER happen.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 12, 2012 12:10 PM (+inic)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 12:10 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 12:11 PM (3Y7RV)
Huh? It must not be too obvious because I don't see anyone working on it.
Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 12:11 PM (cgOkw)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (WvXvd)
The problem is simple. Due to Liberals in Education, the public is stupid. Due to Liberals in Media, the Public is misinformed.
The Common denominator is liberals in positions of influence. We need to get them out of these positions of influence.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:11 PM (R9579)
I got the slope of the curve. It is going to take a few years to escape, but hopefully I will be able to watch the USA burn from a safe distance.
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 12, 2012 12:11 PM (SDkq3)
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)
We know why. Because they want it to burn - whether you agree with that or not. You're not going to convince them otherwise. That is the lesson from this election.
Posted by: Duh! at November 12, 2012 12:11 PM (Zs83Q)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 12:12 PM (TR60b)
The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts took tens of millions of people off the tax rolls completely with the $1000 child tax credit and the creation of the 10% tax bracket. That was a gigantic mistake as it made those people not care about taxes anymore.
Someone who owed $500-1000 in taxes every year all of a sudden owed nothing. And since he pays no taxes, when Obama says vote for me and I'll give you more free shit, he says, hell yeah!! Had he still been paying $1000 a year in taxes he might have thought for a second "yeah but won't my taxes also have to increase?".
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 12:12 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 12:12 PM (i0vBR)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 12:12 PM (ll6WS)
Universally-panned?
Certainly not by the State Media.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 12:13 PM (XMaKL)
Posted by: Ed Anger at November 12, 2012 12:13 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: palooka at November 12, 2012 12:13 PM (aNlIg)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 12:13 PM (TR60b)
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)
Also, if you think the RNC leadership (quite a joke) is going to fix anything you're delusional. The RNC lost when they caved on the debt ceiling. That was the end of the GOP. They were elected to stop it and they didn't. End of story.
Posted by: Duh! at November 12, 2012 12:13 PM (Zs83Q)
Telling women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to choose an abortion, is contrary to the idea of being the party of Liberty.
There are a lot of men who are pro-choice.
They want to have that option available.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (ICEh3)
Roe v Wade and Dred Scott v Sanford are cut from the same cloth; The notion that certain classes of people are just property.
Women have the freedom to avoid pregnancy. Once you've created a life, that ship has sailed.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:14 PM (R9579)
Posted by: MiketheMoose is shrugging
Yep.
I've been wondering when they will limp up to explain it once more for a while, now.
The desired impossible is about to meet the disastrous possible with a resounding crash.
Posted by: Dianna at November 12, 2012 12:14 PM (mKMj1)
Certainly not by the State Media.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 04:13 PM (XMaKL)
They're not done releasing stories about 2008-12 yet. Gonna take awhile.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 12:14 PM (MmH0Z)
Review Hauser's law as many times as it takes to sink in that you aren't going to get a bunch more money by raising taxes. You *might* get a little more like 1 or 2 % AS A PROPORTION TO GDP, but in real terms the resulting suppression in GDP will compensate and you will ultimately end up with less money in the long term.
Taxes, at least how it is being discussed today, are nothing more than a bludgeon of social justice. Not a well thought method to raise revenue.
We may not be able to balance the budget on Big Birds corpse the answer is to stack up corpses of other programs. Raise taxes and we will get further, not closer, to our goal of a balanced budget.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 12:14 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Matt at November 12, 2012 12:15 PM (ljiM/)
Posted by: Arbalest at November 12, 2012 12:15 PM (RrmXU)
My President won a second term. Too bad for him and too bad for us. The worst will eventually happen so be prepared. One has to understand correct principles and apply them otherwise you get what we have now and it will continue to get worse. It will not get better anytime soon, maybe not in our lifetime. We are far gone baby.
Posted by: DumboTheAvenger at November 12, 2012 12:16 PM (BvTwT)
One difference with this guy is that he actually admits that it's about Free Shit. Most of the Free Shit Army gets very offended at the insinuation that they want something for nothing, and spout out slogans like "economic justice" and "fairness"
The difference between America and Greece is that the Greeks have someone bigger than them to bail them out, and the German banks have to keep the pretense of getting paid back in order to stave off total collapse
When our free shit trough is empty, there's no one bigger than us to bail us out
Posted by: The Menendez Brothers at November 12, 2012 12:16 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 12, 2012 12:16 PM (6JMZR)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 12, 2012 12:16 PM (VtjlW)
172....
Did they sit it out because they didn't like Romney's record? That is a key question and it would tell the RNC leadership they need to fix some shit in how we nominate our candidates.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)
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First we were told, that "Anyone could win" against Barky.
That was bullshit.
This encouraged people who had no business even running...thinking that they had a shot.
The Primaries were a total clusterfuck.
How many of those dumbass debates were there? ...a dozen?
And all but one of them, were controlled by the DNC media.
I repeat...a total clusterfuck.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 12:17 PM (ICEh3)
It strikes me that the public made a similar impulsive decision under emotional stress.
Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty.
Ace, there are rinos in our party who want to go full Rahm on us and not let this crisis go to waste (and your buddy Domenech is almost as bad as Frum). These people got the moderate candidate of their dreams and had the culture war neutral, toothless, inoffensive, no-negative campaign they always dreamt of and after it was proven to be a clusterfuck, they lecture us about whats wrong with conservatism. Degenerate assholes, all of 'em.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 12, 2012 12:17 PM (IMxlS)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 12, 2012 12:17 PM (waJ+2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (ll6WS)
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Well now, I have mostly pining away for SMOD since Tuesday evening but this sounds like just the thing. How does one join the Totenkopf Legions? This pleasure battalion....are the elbows...um...sharp?
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 12, 2012 12:17 PM (KjlbF)
Posted by: madamex at November 12, 2012 12:18 PM (+kvQd)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 12:18 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Ace at 03:37 PM
There has to be a full autopsy of team romney and his campaign.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 12, 2012 12:18 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: entropy at November 12, 2012 12:18 PM (TULs6)
Then that person is a complete idiot. I have been unemployed since January 2011 and am about to reach the end of my 99 weeks unemployment. Instead of voting for an incompetent moron who would wave his wand and magically fix everything, I went back to University last Spring.
It never once occurred to me that Romney would hasten the end of my unemployment, because that's a goal I'm working toward myself.
There are only two classes of people on the Left: the "non-producers" and the "Unproductive wealthy elite." The non-producers are obvious, the unproductive wealthy elite are those who became wealthy without doing much work for it (Hollywood types who think three months of 18 hour days is actual "work", especially when there a craft table nearby 24/7...and a masseuse ...those who inherited their wealth; John Kerry and his wife; who feel guilty about being rich without earning it...and the speculators; people like Soros, Buffet, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates...people who got wealthy by speculatory opportunism without having to do any real work.) Anyone in the middle class who's a Leftist are those who grew up being taught that Reagan was evil and Republicans are racists, etc.
...and I'm beginning to believe that since voter irregularities occurred in every single key battleground state that Obama didn't actually win this one.
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 12:18 PM (URVw/)
Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 12:18 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 12:19 PM (TR60b)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (QF8uk)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (8y9MW)
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Tried to get back to it, but got a 404 and a WH office menu. They've taken it off?
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (00XQo)
Yeah, the one good thing about China moving on Siberia and Putin nuking the ever loving motherfuck out of them is that hey at least there's no one who we owe money to any more. So we've got that going for us.
Provided, the Chinese don't nuke them first.
Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Barack Obama as Augustus at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (4eNxd)
Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (pdhxN)
We need to know why they sat it out. And yes, enough did that in key States to give Obama the election.
Did they sit it out because they didn't like Romney's record? That is a key question and it would tell the RNC leadership they need to fix some shit in how we nominate our candidates.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)
I read yesterday that Ohio voters sat out the election because they were Mad at Romney for opposing the Auto bailout. Don't know if it 's true, but it certainly sounds plausible to me.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (R9579)
Yeah, SMOD and the total annihilation of the universe!
Posted by: winston smith at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (cgOkw)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (WvXvd)
This.
Right now everyone is tossing out magic bullet solutions that just happen to match whatever axes they were grinding during the primaries. Until the final ballot counts are in and we do some serious analysis of the voters who we expected to vote against Obama but didn't we won't know enough to come up with effective (as opposed to personally satisfying) solutions.
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 12:20 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 12:21 PM (sRIFP)
Posted by: The Mega Independent. at November 12, 2012 04:10 PM (6JMZR)
Yes it is. The Media is our enemy, and they are the greatest threat to this nation because they steer the Electorate.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:21 PM (R9579)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 12:22 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 12:22 PM (i0vBR)
Posted by: volfan at November 12, 2012 12:22 PM (RTb48)
But it will NEVER happen.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 12, 2012 04:10 PM (+inic)
Correct. The 24th and 26th Amendments were Horrible mistakes.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:22 PM (R9579)
Ground burst a couple of cobalt salted nuclear devices at the headwaters of the Yangtze and Yellow Rivers respectively and China is done.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 12:22 PM (BF5Y9)
Mecca and Medina. Tehran, Islamabad, and a few others possibly. If Allah allows these place to become glassy plains it seriously takes the wind out of the sails for the sympathizers who make it possible for the likes of Al Qaeda to operate.
The mullahs know they lose overnight if it comes to a declared war by the west, rather than war on an abstract concept such as Terrorism. This is why they've done far less than they potentially could, for fear of waking the beast they've been poking with a toothpick.
Somebody being taken seriously as the 12th Imam and declaring hostilities is a step towards the end game. It doesn't matter if they manage to put a few atom bombs in western cities. For every one of those we can deliver dozens and any place we lose will just be rebuilt down the road. They cannot replace the destination of the Haj.
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 12:22 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:22 PM (79ueO)
For a fucking RINO, you make sense.
In fact, the lack of message control is why we can't win. The Democrats are cocksucking pieces of shit, but they march in lockstep because the party apparatus cracks the whip. They are always on message, and they win!
If we don't control our own...how can we convince people to vote for us?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 12:23 PM (GsoHv)
Instead of a calm, disciplined response, the GOP had an odd, uncoordinated, undisciplied reply, with various party figures going off on their own weird tangents. Meanwhile, the Democrats had "It's the economy, stupid." That plus Perot cost us the '92 election.
Part of the uncoordinated response by the GOP was Pat Buchanan speaking at the '92 national convention.
To swing voters who had lost their jobs and, for the first time in ten years were having trouble finding another one, the Buchanan response was, "Culture war commence! Form up by squads and fix bayonets!"
I heard that and said, "We're fucked," and so we were.
I argued to get rid of Buchanan before he did more damage. However, I also said at the time that there were elements of Buchananism that were potentially useful and that should not be flushed with him. Key among which was... protectionism.
Say what you will about Pat Buchanan, he has been an absolutely unwavering voice against allowing the jobs of ordinary working Americans to be exported overseas. He has repeatedly warned of our economic and industrial base being hollowed out. He is unapologetically for high tariffs.
And it's time to admit that about that, at least, he may have been "right from the start", in his phrase.
How many low income, low education whites in the upper Midwest might have voted for the GOP instead of staying home, if the GOP had been stronger advocates of keeping them employed in jobs that instead have been offshored?
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 12:23 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: Roy at November 12, 2012 12:23 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at November 12, 2012 12:23 PM (+I8Mq)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 12, 2012 04:12 PM (ll6WS
This Pleasure Battalion of which you speak....I assume there will be one for the Moronettes?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 12:23 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 12:24 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 12:24 PM (VDovR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:24 PM (79ueO)
We need an entirely new style of government.
Posted by: EC
We lost by 3%.
Get a grip.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 12, 2012 12:25 PM (SX6wc)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 12:25 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 12:25 PM (TR60b)
196....Women have the freedom to avoid pregnancy. Once you've created a life, that ship has sailed.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 04:14 PM (R9579)
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This applies to men as well.
Men have the freedom to avoid causing a pregnancy.
When all men value being a father, and look upon it as one of the most gratifying things that they can ever undertake...then there will be a lot fewer abortions.
It's getting better.
Attitudes towards being a father have been changing for the good.
But there are still a lot of guys out there who look upon fatherhood as a nuisance.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 12:25 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Redman Bluestate at November 12, 2012 12:25 PM (sRIFP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 12, 2012 12:25 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 12:26 PM (UOM48)
The Chinese do things like machine-gunning peaceful protesters. I doubt they would have much problem being aggressive with the Muzzies...and the Muzzies know that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 12:26 PM (GsoHv)
And that is why we get a damn moderate Party insider who's turn it is every time. RR was a fluke.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 12:26 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 12:26 PM (hNXHo)
And the retaliation will make it a Pyrrhic victory at best. You can bet the Russians would jump in to make sure both us and China were crippled, leaving them on top.
A full-out open war is the last thing any jihadist wants. The death by a thousand cuts approach is the only viable strategy they have, and it may be working.
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 12:26 PM (kcfmt)
Dem's must be laughing their donkey asses off of GOP talking about amnesty. GOP doing the work for Dems by falling for amnesty would leave Dem's hands nice and clean and GOP in the dust bin of history.
Posted by: Deli LLama at November 12, 2012 12:26 PM (lGu1O)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (Y5I9o)
Yes but the problem is that the GOP establishment does not understand this.
Nobody in the GOP should agree to go on any show, conduct any interview with anybody in the MSM and I include FOX news.
The GOP's message isn't getting out anyway what exactly do we have to lose.
Create new avenues to get the message out.
Buy ad time, create forums, use social media.
I don't know but agreeing to the MSM's terms and conditions is getting us nowhere.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (06lNq)
I also think the "triumph of the mocchers" stuff is both wrong, and toxic to our side. It reeks of class warfare and, yes, racism, and will be depicted as such by the media every time someone prominent on our side brings it up. And OMG can we PLEEEEEEEEEEEZE put away the word SECESSION??? It is The Mother Of All Racial Dog Whistles, people.
Look, Team Obama wasn't exactly running a Top Secret campaign here. They telegraphed early on what their strategy was going to be - Kill Romney, and drive key constituencies to the polls in a handful of counties in 9 swing states. We refused to believe that such a campaign could work. We believed all the wise sages who said that no president could win with an economy this bad. We thought not enough voters would fall for such a cynical and transparent tactical campaign from a sitting president, offering no agenda for a second term. We praised Mitt Romney for picking Paul Ryan and making this a camapign about Big Things, while dumping on Obama for running a small-ball, college-frat-president campaign.
We were wrong. Nobody has ever run a campaign like this and won, but there's a first time for everything. And 50.5% of Americans are not moochers.
Employed, upscale young white women are not moochers. The birth control debate was not presented to them as "we will give you free birth control." It was presented to them as "President Obama has guaranteed that you have access to health care. Republicans want your employer (probably a man) to decide whether you have access to health care." See the difference?
College students also are not "moochers." Obama appealed to them emoitionally, like he did in 2008. We laughed at him for going to three and sometimes four college campuses evey day. But that also worked. Kids are emotional and when they get a personal appeal by the President of the United Sattes, maybe even twice in a few weeks, aren't they going to get excited? What college campuses did Romney and Ryan ever visit? In 1976 I was president of my College Republican chapter and freaking BOB DOLE came to my campus! Republicans never used to write off the college vote.
Black voters were not bought. They voted tribally, and they were scared by claims that Republicans wanted to take away their right to vote. The unemployment rate for blacks is high, arounmd 14%, but that means 86% of blacks are working and not on welfare. They didn't vote for free stuff, they voted for the black guy and against the out-of-touch white gazillionaire who said "I like to fire people."
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (aBlZ1)
*cough*
Posted by: East Turkestan Islamic Movement at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (5iuEW)
Posted by: Duh! at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (
I heard that from more than a few people. They want it to burn, and the want the flaming tire around obama's neck The dems have been real good with planting bombs that go off in a republican administration and also taking credit for things that repubs plant that bear fruit when a dem is in office. They want obama to own this. They are fully convinced it was going to melt down even if romney was in office because too much damage has been done. They want this on obama's head.
Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:22 PM (kcfmt)
Once upon a time this was true. It is no longer valid because it wouldn't be "nice" to do anything that could be termed a non-proportional response, and EPA regulations will prevent any rebuilding.
I am waiting for the EPA to deny shoreline re-building permits in NJ and NY due to the Endangered Species Act.
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (i0vBR)
Tyler didn't write the essay. You know how you can tell, aside from the disclaimer up top?
It's fucking halfway-readable.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (XMaKL)
We lost by 3%.
Get a grip.>>
THIS!
It's not like we're a tiny minority hiding in caves and eating out of cans...
WOLVERINES!
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 12:27 PM (URVw/)
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (ICEh3)
We have a 20-year-old.
If only he were just a nuisance.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 12:28 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 12:28 PM (2t6Gz)
In my mind last Tuesday will just speed up the light coming into the tunnel in front of us and in some perverted way, that's a peaceful feeling. Romney would have bought us a few more years.......maybe, but with the Moochers winning, the inevitable collapse will only hasten.
Frankly I'm done with it all......haven't watched Fox News, make that any news, since last Tuesday. It simply doesn't matter. However,I have been to the range just about every day since last Tuesday....and that does matter.
I'm still trying to get a handle on pundit after pundit after pundit being so wrong...100+ EVs wrong. I'm still processing how Rasmussen's party ID poll of R+5.........with a fucking 15,000 person sample!...turns into D+6 on election day.
That simply does not compute.
So I'm not one of these guys that keeps typing 'Bring.It.On'.
It's coming whether we like it or not and it is going to teh suck. But until the Moochers and that so-called conservative who voted for Obama really feel the pain, nothing will change. Not a damn thing. And frankly with Boner, Kristol, Hannity and the like all favoring some sort of un-zipping and dick sucking combination of revenues, tax increases, amnesty, etc.... you simply cannot count on those guys to stand firm. The only thing firm will be the donk dick in their mouth while trying to place nice with the enemy and plan the next establishment cocktail party.
Posted by: TehAdmiral at November 12, 2012 12:28 PM (IxejE)
201 Meanwhile, in OHIO:
http://tinyurl.com/blf4e48
The timing on this is funny and especially when you consider that the state was won by a grand total 100,000 votes...played for chumps
__________________
I hope they all starve to death.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 12:28 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:18 PM (URVw/)
I agree, but as Glenn Reynolds says, "If it's not close, they can't cheat."
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:29 PM (R9579)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 12:29 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:30 PM (79ueO)
His Waterloo will emerge soon enough. Be prepared, GOP. Iran will bomb someone, the economy will finally crater--something.
Soon.
Posted by: PJ at November 12, 2012 12:30 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (pdhxN)
LBJ's Legacy has been horribly destructive.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:30 PM (R9579)
If they plan beforehand, sure. But if they don't plan beforehand and wake up realizing they just slept with the Devil himself, then what the hell do they do? It's the huge friggin Grand Canyon between what people say to pollsters and what they *really* want to have available to them if they screw up. What I'm saying is that if people lie to pollsters to make themselves look good -- or 'above' such a discussion, then shove their foot up the ass of a conservative candidate because they really could envision themselves doing something so crazy -- then we are deluding ourselves.
I only want to pound this point home because my state got fucking NAILED with never-ending videos of Romney talking about the SC and Roe v Wade. I doubt very much that the 0bama camp would have spent multi-millions on such ads if they didn't see some payback.
btw: very much anti-abortion, but I still think women make bad decisions. As I know that men make bad decisions.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 12, 2012 12:31 PM (feFL6)
I would say offer free intercourse. But we are already fooked.
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 12:31 PM (GGCsk)
Get a grip.>>
THIS!
It's not like we're a tiny minority hiding in caves and eating out of cans...
WOLVERINES!
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (URVw/)
The Republican brand isn't doing it for us anymore. I don't think it has been for a long time now. W was probably the last, luckiest SOB we'll have for a loooong time. I'm just not sure how to combat the new Free Shit Army with facts and logic. I'm not going to out left the left, so I'm trying to come up with a solution that beats their stupid bullshit emo-based campaigning.
It's not easy.
Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 12:31 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 12:31 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 12:32 PM (jfUIE)
@ 251 & 196
To me, freedom means more than just the freedom to boink who I want to and then kill the fetus afterwards. But, unfortunately, to quite a few women in this country that's all that freedom means to them.
My body my choice! Unless you are talking about a Big Gulp. Then, don't you dare drink that!
Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 12:32 PM (VDovR)
Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 12:32 PM (74T7W)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:33 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: B. at November 12, 2012 12:33 PM (Qi0Dn)
Before the leeching was renamed to "entitlements."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 12:33 PM (P7hip)
Can't speak for the ladies, but I know for fact that Barry would be down for distributing BJs to voters personally.
Posted by: Reggie Love at November 12, 2012 12:33 PM (5iuEW)
BTDT got the t shirt.
work harder != work smarter
( See Romney/Ryan Campaign - 2012)
#LetItBurn
Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 12:33 PM (EZl54)
Telling women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to choose an abortion, is contrary to the idea of being the party of Liberty.
And I'll agree, as a national tactic, that what we need to say is just that we won't fund them. And we're not "against abortion" we're for "States exercising their legislative authority." (which doesn't keep with "liberty" as the catch word, but we do what we can.)
Every time someone says, "You want to outlaw abortions!" Any national candidate needs to say, "I take no official position on abortion at all. I do believe that Roe v Wade is a travesty, not because it made abortion more available than it already was, but because the Supreme Court usurped the Congress's power to legislate, and violated the 10th Amendment in so doing."
Every. Time.
Let local politicians be the Akins and Mourdocks. I'm pro-life. Period. The only legitimate reason for an abortion is to save the life of the mother. But the official position I want the US Government to take on it is not to have an official position.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 12:33 PM (8y9MW)
If we don't control our own...how can we convince people to vote for us?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (GsoHv)
Central control is appropriate for advocates of an all powerful state. Not so much with advocates of Freedom and Independence.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:33 PM (R9579)
I agree, AllenG.
What I like about the Republican party...is that it is the party of Freedom.
But this argument falls apart with the abortion issue.
Telling women...and men, too...that we want to take away their 'liberty' to choose an abortion and kill humans before they are born, is contrary to the idea of being the party of Liberty.
There are a lot of men who are pro-choice to kill humans before they have emerged from the womb, for whatever reason, and, if convienient, destroy them as inhumanly as possible.
They want to have that option available.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:05 PM (ICEh3)
FIFY
Posted by: Minuteman at November 12, 2012 12:33 PM (t8QfJ)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 12:34 PM (i0vBR)
Because it has been proven to us again and again that phone calls and letters to Congress really mean diddly squat for most issues. Fuck, putting a million people in DC and swarming townhalls didn't stop OBlaBlaCare.
I say if you can sign up for a gubmint bennie, do it. Just don't plan your life around it always being there. Work for sanity at the state and county levels of government. Stop being driven by consumerism. Plan to be able to survive hard times. Teach your children to be self reliant. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
None of these things are hasty.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 12, 2012 12:34 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 12:34 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 12, 2012 12:34 PM (i0vBR)
Just imagine if a Republican was President and the head of the CIA resigned because of an adulterous affair, a CIA chief who was being investigated by the FBI and then chose not to testify at a Senate hearing into the Benghazi terrorist attack.
This story is tailor made for a media that salivates over scandal.
- High Ranking Official: Check
- Sexy Mistress: Check
- Adultery: Check
- FBI Investigation: Check
-What did the administration Know and When Questions: Check (Reporters have been known to make entire careers out of such questions)
- Refusal to testify at Senate hearing: Check (The MSM/Dems would be apoplectic over this)
And what do we get?
Nothing!
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 12:34 PM (06lNq)
Short of shooting him in the head, there was no way to force him out.
However, there were three easy steps which could have been taken in response to Akin, that did not involve forcing him out. Three easy steps which were not taken.
(1) Romney, as the de facto head of the Republicans this year, should have mounted an immediate, full throated public denunciation of Akin. Right there in Missouri. Should have flown there at once. Said in unambiguous words that Akin's comments were absolutely unacceptable. Akin would have stayed in despite this. But it would have helped insulate Romney and the rest of the party from the taint of Akinism. Akin should have been reframed into a lone rogue.
(2) Immediate lockdown on message discipline by all other candidates on abortion questions. Mourdock's gaffe was ten million times worse because it came after, and in the context of the toxic atmosphere of, Akin. Complete amateur night stuff.
(3) Telling the socon leaders like Fuckabee and Tony Perkins, who were encouraging Akin and telling him he would win with God's help as a "test of faith", that they were going to be permanently persona non grata if they did not shut up and quit feeding the flames.
None of these three easy steps were taken. We now reap the whirlwind.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 12:35 PM (ymG7s)
They are fully convinced it was going to melt down even if romney was in office because too much damage has been done. They want this on obama's head.
Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (FMbng)
Point is exactly what made me less furious after election. It is going to be bad. My hope was having Romney / Ryan there to make is less painful, but let Obama OWN IT.
Posted by: Deli LLama at November 12, 2012 12:35 PM (lGu1O)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 12:35 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: KG at November 12, 2012 12:35 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 12:35 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: palooka at November 12, 2012 12:36 PM (aNlIg)
Voters still blamed Hoover, and they were still reliant on the free shit being doled out by FDR
America was isolationist to the core too, who cared what Hitler was doing
The world hasn't become such a peaceful place that the war solution to the economy is off the table.
Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 12:36 PM (wwsoB)
This presumes the GOP has been upholding a conservative standard. They haven't. Example A ) W.
He governed domestically as a soft Dem. My appreciation of his presidency has declined precipitously.
I'm just not sure how to combat the new Free Shit Army with facts and logic. I'm not going to out left the left, so I'm trying to come up with a solution that beats their stupid bullshit emo-based campaigning.It's not easy.Posted by: EC
I think we are all trying. But as others have cautioned, we need to examine why the loss of, again, 3% not 30%.
Perspective, amigo, let's try some perspective first.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 12, 2012 12:36 PM (SX6wc)
"While the rest of America was holding an election last week, the gnomes at the Congressional Budget Office released the final budget totals for fiscal 2012. They're worth reporting because they illuminate the real fiscal choices that confront the country, as opposed to the posturing you'll be hearing over the next few weeks."
http://tinyurl.com/d7tv8vm
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 12:36 PM (GGCsk)
I don't think you get it...we don't LIKE being controlled. If you think this is the answer you can go screw, fatboy.
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 12:36 PM (URVw/)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:33 PM (79ueO)
Own? They love him!
And the Jews would vote for him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 12:36 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 12:37 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 12:37 PM (jfUIE)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 12:37 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 12:37 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2012 12:37 PM (TR60b)
But you know who WASN'T on Benghazi Gate like a pit bull on a chihuahua?
Mitt " campaigning for 7 years and still couldn't get it right" Romney - that's who.
Because NICE! and NOT NEGATIVE! or some shit.
Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 12:38 PM (EZl54)
I would put his father in at Example A...then W...and then we got McCain and Romney.
Because conservatives don't win or something.
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 12:38 PM (URVw/)
Part of the uncoordinated response by the GOP was Pat Buchanan speaking at the '92 national convention.
To swing voters who had lost their jobs and, for the first time in ten years were having trouble finding another one, the Buchanan response was, "Culture war commence! Form up by squads and fix bayonets!"
I heard that and said, "We're fucked," and so we were.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:23 PM (ymG7s)
Your analysis is bullshit. The Media led every nightly news story with how bad the economy was, how many people were unemployed, how many factories had closed, how many companies were laying off, and how high gas and food prices were. Every day I would scream at the television because I could see what those bastards were doing. They were intentionally working to create the impression of a horrible economy so as to convince the voters they needed to elect Bill Clinton's who's Carville inspired slogan was "It's the Economy Stupid."
The MEDIA manipulated the public mind to undermine support for George Bush. Had they done the same thing to Obama this election, he would have been wiped out, but they didn't and they never will.
The MEDIA are the greatest threat to this nation. They STEER the public mind. They don't steer us all, just enough of the idiots to move the vote.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:38 PM (R9579)
They only need 3% on us every 4 years. That's the problem.
Posted by: EC at November 12, 2012 12:38 PM (GQ8sn)
>>>Get a grip.>>
OK Here's my grip if the country was 33/33/33 Conservative/Moderate/Liberal we should have won by 20% instead we lost by 3%. We will not likely face a candidate as weak as 2012 Obama in our lifetime. He was a failure burger with special suck sauce, with a side of feckless fries. A lot of things went against us. But those things will likely always be against us going forward; unless we can make a major turnaround; our prospects are bleak. Putting nails in the coffin of the media's influence over US politics was apparently a little premature. We should have checked to make sure an actual corpse was in the coffin first.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 12:38 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 12:38 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 12:38 PM (jfUIE)
Posted by: B. at November 12, 2012 12:39 PM (Qi0Dn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:39 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 12:39 PM (QupBk)
IF that had happened, IF, then Richard Mourdock might have gotten it through his thick flat skull that he needed to have a carefully worded, inoffensive reply ready to go on abortion questions.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 12:39 PM (ymG7s)
Define fair share. Use an exact percentage as a starting point
Have you demanded that Anna Wintour, George Soros, George Clooney, Katy Perry, Jay-Z, Russell Simmons, and Eva Longoria pay their fair share yet?
Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 12:40 PM (wwsoB)
DING DING DING! Someone get this man a free year of AoSHQ Platinum!
Posted by: Armando at November 12, 2012 12:40 PM (5iuEW)
??? Who knows, but that sure sounds like a reason to lie.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:24 PM (79ueO)
You got a link for that? I'm keeping a running thread on another website regarding the Benghazi affair. I would like to update that thread with a link of this information.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:40 PM (R9579)
My comprehension was precisely your problem.
You can't "Control our own" because our is the mentality that refuses to march in 'lockstep'; something you recommended as a solution. You like that kind of shit, go join the Left. Free stuff anyway.
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 12:40 PM (URVw/)
"Jennifer Griffin is on Benghazi Gate like a pit bull on a chihuahua."
...and accomplishing *what*, exactly? Swaying elections? Ensuring good governance? Calling the powerful to account? Feh.
Outside of *some* of the Fox viewership, the people of this nation simply do not care about this. They just don't. They just care about more free shit, more distractions, and less responsibility for their own lives.
They don't care about dead ambassadors, dead SEALs, dead BP agents, 300 dead Mexicans, dead military trainers in AFG, $16T in dead presidents, and a dead, dead, dead American Experiment.
Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 12:40 PM (4I3Uo)
Any "conservatives" who sat this election out because Romney wasn't pure enough for them should be fucked eternally by Satan's barbed cock, for giving us 4 more years of tfg.
Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 12:40 PM (cNamo)
#287 We do need to insist that the RNC change the rules so that New Hampshire and Iowa do not choose our nominee. The Ames Straw Poll must be abolished. How about putting Ohio up front? Maybe we might have gotten more scared of Romney if he had come out of the chute and gotten creamed in Ohio.
But don't understimate how defeat can concentrate a party. Look what the Democrats did after John Kerry lost to W. They adopted Howard Dean's 50-state strategy, took back the House in 2006, and won the White House in 2008. We can do the same thing. But we may have to engage in some tactical stuff we don't like to do, especially making specific and even cynical appeals to key voting groups and having a ticket that includes a woman and./or a minority.
Obama really won this one ugly. And his second term is almost guaranteed to be ugly. This should produce some serious voter fatigue in 2016.
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 12:41 PM (aBlZ1)
"What college campuses did Romney and Ryan ever visit?"
Actually Ryan visited several college campuses....especially in Ohio. But do you think it would have made a difference? These guys only listen to their loser lib profs.
Actually the way some of you are barking at Romney, maybe it's a good thing Obama won. Or at least it sounds that way. Better a socialist than a RINO?
Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 12, 2012 12:41 PM (zYCz+)
Let a few nukes go off in the US and I doubt there will be much objection to wiping whole nations from the surface of the planet. Especially if we get a Tom Clancy decapitation strike on DC while some event has the President addressing nearly all of the gathered federal office holders.
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 12:41 PM (kcfmt)
I would add (4) - telling all Republicans NEVER to tell the Media anything that could even remotely be seen in a damaging light. Make sure that every R candidate KNOWS and REPEATS that the Media is the Enemy: they do not want to hear your views, they do not want to be your friend. They want to DESTROY you.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 12:42 PM (P7hip)
Those stupid debates were set up by the MFM to guarantee no conservative was chosen. As for Perry he could not have done any worse than Romney.
If the RNC had any brains they would refuse ANY debates hosted by the MFM.
And I still say primaries should be scheduled based on percent a State voted Republican in the last general. Damn blue States should not be choosing our candidate.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 12:42 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:42 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 04:40 PM (cNamo)
Yep! Hey, joe!
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 12:42 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:43 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 12:43 PM (QupBk)
47 percent of the nation just doesn't take well to being called moochers
Even if it's true
Especially if it's true
Posted by: kbdabear at November 12, 2012 12:43 PM (wwsoB)
Men have the freedom to avoidcausing a pregnancy.
When all men value being a father, and look upon it as one of the most gratifying things that they can ever undertake...then there will be a lot fewer abortions.
It's getting better.
Attitudes towards being a father have been changing for the good.
But there are still a lot of guys out there who look upon fatherhood as a nuisance.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 04:25 PM (ICEh3)
You are correct, men ought to be required to be responsible, and there was a time when the law would demand it, but that function has been eroded as well.
But who bears the greater responsibility? The person who packs a parachute, or the person who jumps with it?
Women have the greater responsibility to prevent pregnancy. It might not be fair, but that is the current state of our society.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:43 PM (R9579)
Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 12:43 PM (jfUIE)
That's almost impossible. But that's why we need a message of maximum Liberty, with the addendum that Liberty is best served by the States being where "the action" is.
I don't care if people in California want to live in a Socialist Paradise. I do care if they expect me, in Texas, to pay for it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 12:44 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: epobirs at November 12, 2012 04:41 PM (kcfmt)
Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Posted by: Nowadays Clancy can't eevn sing at November 12, 2012 12:44 PM (JJ+PT)
AFTER
Romney ran for 8 years and during that time couldn't even beat nasty old McVain in a primary let alone Barky McFuckstick.
Romney is a decent person who is pro-America, religious, white, wealthy and has some conservative values.
The American electorate is fucked.
# LetItBurn
Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 12:44 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:45 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 12:45 PM (URVw/)
Fuck all this noise. The somewhat more disturbing truth buried in the numbers is that 12% of voters (12 fucking percent!) decided in the last week. Who they voted for is beyond me. The fact that happened is fucking crazy.
Second, the media is carpet bombing us and thats why we cant win. THe shit you and I obsess over, 90% of the electorate has never heard of it. Don't even get me started on fiscal policy.
The problem is who watches the watchmen?
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 12:45 PM (t06LC)
Can someone in the know direct me, please.
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (00XQo)
The WH.org petitions are the only petitions that can make the Prez react. With a certain amount of signatures the WH has to respond, 25,000 I think, or so they say. Any other petitions are like pissing in black trousers--it feels good, but nobody can see it.
Posted by: CharlieSays at November 12, 2012 12:45 PM (2aJHq)
Quick quiz: What is YOUR share of the national debt?
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 12:46 PM (z9HTb)
http://tinyurl.com/blf4e48
The timing on this is funny and especially when you consider that
the state was won by a grand total 100,000 votes...played for chumps
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I hope they all starve to death.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 04:28 PM (HDgX3)
The Free Shit Army is getting their free shit reduced after the election. What percentage voted for Barry? I'm guessing 110%
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 12:46 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Nevergiveup>>
Pretty much. If you don't put the ingredients in the oven, you won't end up with something half-baked.
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 12:46 PM (URVw/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 12:47 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 12, 2012 12:47 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 12:47 PM (bZKG0)
171,000 Retirees Likely To Lose TRICARE Prime Option\
http://tinyurl.com/curfc3a
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 12:47 PM (GGCsk)
Huh?
Obsessing over controlling a message whilst ignoring who your message needs to get through (the leftist media) in order to reach the audience (of little children)?
Wake me up when the shooting starts.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 12:47 PM (MmH0Z)
Create new avenues to get the message out.
Buy ad time, create forums, use social media.
I don't know but agreeing to the MSM's terms and conditions is getting us nowhere.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 04:27 PM (06lNq)
The Blaze, Breitbart, and PJMedia are working to create conservative alternatives to the MSFM. We should support these efforts.
Beyond that, I think expressing our displeasure by knocking a few teeth down a few throats might get the message across. If not, perhaps it will promote such a hate fest, that they may reveal more to the public than they want.
If I should ever get close enough to Chris Matthews or Bill Maher, I'm going to see how many times I can hit them in the face before they are either unconscious or someone pulls me off of them.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:47 PM (R9579)
Damn, I missed this on my first readthrough of comments. That's freakin brilliant!
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 12, 2012 12:48 PM (URVw/)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (SX6wc)
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Perspective? How long does it take you to get perspective?
I don't know where you've been, but we're fucking out of time to be looking for perspective. Read up on some actual American history and you'll get some perspective on where we are now.
This shit started happening in Wilson's regime, bloomed in the 60's and is now upon us in full and unabashed force. That's what, 100 years? How much fucking longer are you going to need to get your goddamn perspective?
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 12:49 PM (00XQo)
@367
There was a comic strip going around a few years ago about that. Pretty good. I think I saw that here...
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 12:49 PM (t06LC)
Oh, and can I vent here about one more little thing?
Where the HELL were the TV ads about the Democrats booing God and Jerusalem? Say what you want about Bush and Rove, but they would have SLAUGHTERED Democrats up and down the ticket over this debacle. Rove would have had every single Republican in every debate DEMANDING that the Democrat explain why their convention wanted God out of the platform and booed when God was put back in.
We KNOW religious voters are one of our most reliable votiong blocs. So why did we not drive them to the polls the way the Dems drove the young women and college kids? We had an issue dropped right in our lap and didn't use it. It was our equivalent of the Akin/Mourdock rape shit and we just left it sitting on the table.
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 12:50 PM (aBlZ1)
We're not for "Tax Cuts," we're for "Economic Liberty."
We're not for "School Choice," we're for "Educational Liberty."
We're not against Socialized Medicine, we're for "Liberty in Health Choices."
See?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 03:58 PM (8y9MW)
*******
I posted the same thing right after the election. Conservatives need something bold to capture everyone's attention. My suggestion is that conservatives make it a "states rights" issue and move MJ enforcement from the Fed to the states as they see fit. This gets the attention of the youth that conservatives are serious. Just to be clear, I'm not a pot smoker, but it is time to do something that captures people's attention.
I say we're conservatives...perhaps it is time to change branding. Liberals are liberal at all--they are collectivist leftists.
Posted by: Grim at November 12, 2012 12:50 PM (gyNYk)
Yes, of course the media did that. Would you expect anything otherwise?
The media created a narrative of a bad economy. The Democrats focused and capitalized on that narrative, and won. The GOP should have realized that THE ECONOMY was THE ISSUE of the 1992 election. They should have positioned and responded accordingly with a superior economic message.
Instead of a GOP campaign on economic issues, we instead had Bush the Elder announcing that he was going to be the "anti-flag-burning" candidate, and running around referring to Al Gore as "Ozone Man". We had Dan Quayle denouncing a fictional television character, for Pete's sake. This on the heels of Quayle talking about there being canals and breathable air on Mars.
Back to my theme about how the Bush family ruined the Reagan legacy.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 12:50 PM (ymG7s)
@ 315
I agree. Someone should explain that to the women who voted for Obama because Romney was going to outlaw abortion and steal their ladyparts, or something.
Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 12:50 PM (VDovR)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 12:50 PM (hNXHo)
Posted by: marcus at November 12, 2012 04:36 PM (GGCsk)
From that article:
One way to think about this is that most of the $830 billion stimulus of 2009 has now become part of the federal budget baseline. The "emergency" spending of the stimulus has now become permanent, as we predicted it would.
I still kinda marvel how that happened.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 12:51 PM (XMaKL)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:51 PM (79ueO)
I'm ready to go Galt, liquidate prepare. He's telling me that America is a resilient country; we've been through worse; He's seen truly deplorable poverty in his lifetime and we aren't even close to that. The powers that be will not implode the country, and things can change rather quickly, overnight. Have faith and don't forget to fight. Don't let the bastards get you down.
I want to hold out hope. I want to be wrong. I just don't see how we escape the mathematical certitude of financial implosion, the fact we have a red diaper baby in the whitehouse, and the fact we're over the tipping point of taker v. maker. He sees all this. He just won't go there.
I'm thinking if I hold onto hope, I'll lose everything I've got. I honestly don't know what action to take.
So I guess I ponder it until something collapses.
Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 12:51 PM (lkjWK)
I was a little worried of just this thing. With so many people becoming dependent on government handouts, maybe we really have reached that tipping point. If that's the case, it has to come tumbling down before it can be fixed.
Maybe we should all apply for food stamps and help it along.
Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 12:52 PM (QW+AD)
Not any part of the Stimuseless.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 12:52 PM (XMaKL)
Don't we need a thread on the "secret prison" in Libya revealed by the implausibly-named Broadwell?
Wonder if they were read their Miranda Rights?
SE Cupp was right. Obama's successes in foreign policy are all due to continuing Bush policies while criticizing Bush and his policies the entire four years.
Posted by: Beagle at November 12, 2012 12:52 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Observer at November 12, 2012 12:52 PM (/sohm)
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 12:53 PM (t1NLo)
##56 Are you serious??? What do you expect David Axelrod to do with 25,000 names of people who want SECESSION?
Protip: When you just got your ass kicked by black voters, talking about secession is a really, really bad idea.
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 12:53 PM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: beach at November 12, 2012 12:53 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Daybrother at November 12, 2012 12:53 PM (+paCV)
Alexander Pope was correct. "A little learning is a dangerous thing."
If you knew English you would have been able to understand that the lockstep to which I was referring was the political message, not the electorate's behavior.
Now go home anf get your fucking shine box.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 12:53 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: The Chap with the App at November 12, 2012 12:53 PM (fscec)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 12:53 PM (1Jaio)
we might get China.
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 04:00 PM (r2PLg)
FDR didn't owe Hitler $2 trillion dollars
Posted by: Mark x at November 12, 2012 12:54 PM (BKt8g)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 12:54 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: LOLCat at November 12, 2012 12:54 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: beach at November 12, 2012 12:54 PM (LpQbZ)
385 Hey guys, how'd that election turn out for you?
Posted by: Olaf
about as well as the abortion procedure your mom had a month before your birth
thanks for asking
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 12:54 PM (/8JT8)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 12, 2012 04:31 PM (feFL6)
I think those two idiots (Akin and Murdock (sp) ) did serious damage to us, and may have even cost us the election. I am very pro-life as well, but the Rape thing is a bridge too far even for me. Over the years I have known plenty of people in the pro-life movement in my state, and the ones that insist on banning abortion for rape or incest are very much in the minority, and it is an extreme position.
I think the psychological damage which might result from being required to carry the child of a rapist gives the mother a reasonably acceptable medical reason for an abortion.
Akin and Murdock really helped Obama win, and I am amazed that they fell for that stupid media trick, even if they believed what they claim to believe.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 12:55 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 12:56 PM (3Y7RV)
@ 311
Since Reagan. HWBush-limo liberal. Dole-limo liberal. W-fake conservative (more socially conservative than I expected but a fiscal liberal i.e. big deficits, big spending bills like the Medicare thing and the Ted Kennedy education bill). Romney-limo liberal. Run a f*cking true Conservative and see what happens, oh, great wizards of the Republican establishment.
Posted by: ronnie raygun's ghost at November 12, 2012 12:56 PM (VDovR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 12:57 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 12:57 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 12, 2012 12:57 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 12:57 PM (QupBk)
>>>Get a grip.>>
OK Here's my grip if the country was 33/33/33 Conservative/Moderate/Liberal we should have won by 20% instead we lost by 3%. We will not likely face a candidate as weak as 2012 Obama in our lifetime. He was a failure burger with special suck sauce, with a side of feckless fries.
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I disagree.He was anything but weak. First black prez trumps anything like unemployment rate or people on food stamps.
And even if the next Dem nominee is black he won't be the first or historic or any of the other bullshit that came with Obama.
Now if it's Hillary, we're right back at FIRST WOMAN or FIRST HISPANIC or FIRST _____________.
I think job #1 for conservatives is make sure Cuomo is the next nominee. First middle aged Italian guy from NY doesn't quite have the same historic ring to it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 12:57 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: rplat at November 12, 2012 12:57 PM (ew94K)
Secession is now a RACIAL dogwhistle????????
How about CONSTITUTION? Declaration of Independence?
Liberty ? You just know THAT motherfucker means "plantation" and "chains" .
LET IT BURN, ESPECIALLY RINOS !!!!
Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 12:58 PM (EZl54)
Fair enough, but please, please, please, please, god, please tell me you don't mean Santorum.
Not Santorum. Please, just no.
Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 12:58 PM (tUcg9)
At this point there's only like 12-15 true-blue states, so we can have a majority!
Posted by: bigpale at November 12, 2012 12:58 PM (zPwwO)
The photo op has been a standard device used by Democrats and Republicans alike to make them seem like they are in touch.
Well the fact that Ryan would go to a soup kitchen to pitch in did not sit well with the Dem operatives and media so it was widely reported that the pots and pans that Ryan washed did not seem to be dirty at all.
WE CAN"T EVEN HAVE A SIMPLE PHOTO OP WITHOUT THE MEDIA FRAMING IT AND CONTEXTUALIZING IT!!
But that is the game the Dems and the media play and until we realize it we are doomed.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 12:59 PM (06lNq)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 12:59 PM (QupBk)
Fair enough, but please, please, please, please, god, please tell me you don't mean Santorum.
Not Santorum. Please, just no
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AMEN!!!
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 12:59 PM (HDgX3)
401 remember when all the people like me were saying 'the democrat will always tell you who they are afraid of" and we got shot down like a US drone over iran?
guess what? I WAS FUCKING RIGHT
perry was the one they were afraid of, also the first to go
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 01:00 PM (/8JT8)
363I wish Rick Perry did better, he has a natural
Genuine, smile and a sunny disposition.
Romney spent tons of money in the primaries
To defeat Perry, Newt and Santorum.
I wish he was as tough on JEF as he was to
His republican challengers?
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This!
Perry was the one that the Dems feared the most.
There was really nothing about him that they could demonize.
Not a millionaire...Perry came from humble beginnings.
Perry, like Reagan, began as a conservative Democrat.
When the Dem party became the Liberal Party...he left it.
It's a shame he had to have that back surgery, and enter the race on meds.
I've watched him for years, and have never seen him flub up like he did during the debates.
It was not like him.
Romney is a good man.
But for a lot of people out there...I think it was like 'Voting for their Boss'.
So maybe that's why they stayed home.
Perry is also very charismatic.
We need charismatic candidates out there to 'sell' conservative ideas.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 01:00 PM (ICEh3)
Dems give them a phone
Reps ask why the poor can't have an unlimited minutes?
Dems give them an unlimited minutes
Reps ask why the poor can't have unlimited text?
Keep promises going at that rate
However, tie the funding of that to something like taxing celebrities/Hollywood or a yacht tax to pay for it.
Divide and conquer as applied to Govt...
Posted by: aj at November 12, 2012 01:00 PM (eS0Ui)
No.
If you recall, George Snuffleupagus unveiled the Dems War on Women meme at an early Republican primary debate. If Akin and Mourdock did not exist, that still would have been a strategy in this election. They would have just seized on something else to use. Binders, for pete's sake.
Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 01:00 PM (cNamo)
Posted by: Daybrother at November 12, 2012 01:00 PM (+paCV)
"I disagree.He was anything but weak. First black prez trumps anything like unemployment rate or people on food stamps.
And even if the next Dem nominee is black he won't be the first or historic or any of the other bullshit that came with Obama."
But your theory only holds tightly for first term Obama, not winning a second term.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 01:00 PM (MmH0Z)
Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 04:58 PM (tUcg9)
That would have been funny four years ago.
Now? Not so much.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 01:01 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (ymG7s)
It might have tipped the election. It certainly won votes for Obama, that's for sure.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:01 PM (R9579)
"Protip: When you just got your ass kicked by black voters, talking about secession is a really, really bad idea."
Yup, they were the ones that did it. Not the dumb womyns of the United States of Freeloaders who are also white.
Posted by: Whatever at November 12, 2012 01:01 PM (zYCz+)
Right, invest in durable goods that hold value. Tangible things. Especially since the Fed is the main buyer of US debt. And they just print the money they use to buy it. That doesn't bode well for the value of the dollar.
Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 01:01 PM (QW+AD)
Quick quiz, Olaf: What is your share of the national debt?
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 01:01 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 01:02 PM (79ueO)
RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO RUBIO
TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON TOM COTTON
WAKE THE FUCK UP MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
give me one other candidate that is as bad as Tom Cotton. And Rubio is fantastic.
Fuck them all!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the 2016 ticket....
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:02 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 01:02 PM (i3OIF)
I think that's unfortunately exactly what part of the party thinks when they think "we need to run a True Conservative".
What we need is a True Electable Conservative, and that's not Santorum, who couldn't hold a Senate seat in his own state. To me, a TEC is a Reagan figure. Not someone whose biggest issue is for the government to be standing up an anti-sodomy department.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 01:02 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: LibertarianJim (#teamletitburn) at November 12, 2012 01:02 PM (/3xt8)
Posted by: PJ at November 12, 2012 01:03 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Fred at November 12, 2012 01:03 PM (xWGQr)
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HELLO!
Posted by: Mike Huckabee Suddenly Barging Through the Door at November 12, 2012 01:03 PM (znT2j)
Well you can't very well allow the first black president elected to be defeated in round 2 can you?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 12, 2012 01:03 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: rplat at November 12, 2012 01:03 PM (ew94K)
"WHEN WE PASS THIS, THE NI88ERS WILL BE VOTING FOR US FOR 200 YEARS..." LBJ
Something like that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 04:35 PM (XkWWK)
I agree with this. Get the word out in a way they cannot silence. Make people understand that the Democrats are basically motivated by evil principles, and that people need to recognize them for what they are. Power Hungry opportunists without principals.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:03 PM (R9579)
Governors, not Senators!
Rubio will have six years of accommodation and compromise under his belt.
He will be damaged goods.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 01:04 PM (GsoHv)
Horseshit.
Posted by: real joe at November 12, 2012 01:05 PM (cNamo)
What's worse is that Perry's rambling, mumbling, medicated debate performance has basically killed any future he might have had as a national candidate in future.
I can't believe his advisers didn't sanity check his thinking and tell him, "Rick, you just are not well enough to run this year. Don't do this."
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 01:05 PM (ymG7s)
Those of you wishing we'd nominated a more "conservative" candidate and calling for a more "conservative" candidate next time--
Fair enough, but please, please, please, please, god, please tell me you don't mean Santorum.
Not Santorum. Please, just no.
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How would he have done worse than Romney?
Posted by: SH at November 12, 2012 01:05 PM (gmeXX)
42719th Amendment.
Beginning of the end.
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Oh for fuck's sake.
There are millions of conservative women out there who vote for conservatives.
You want to take away their votes?
You need their votes...to cancel out all those dumbass liberal men out there who vote for free shit.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 01:05 PM (ICEh3)
Never Charlie Brown.
The GOP can save him in the background. Watch that convention speech again.
THAT IS WHO WE NEED TO CARRY THE MESSAGE.
Tom Cotton as VP.
FUcking A!!!!
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:06 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 01:06 PM (t1NLo)
Somehow, by Romney saying that he hoped for a Supreme Court that would revisit Roe v Wade the Democrats were able to paint that as 'extremist'. Then they ran the video of him saying that, over and over in my state. Because they *knew* it would either suppress voter turnout on our side, or increase voter turnout on theirs.
Now, I know I'm repeating the same message over and over again, and I'm sorry, but it bears repeating; people who say they are opposed to abortion are a majority in this country. People who say they are opposed to abortion yet vote against someone who wishes to have the SC revisit the decision are a majority. The two are not consistent with each other, and someone is lying.
So my .02 advice to future republican candidates -- you see that third rail of difference between what people say and how they vote?
Don't go anywhere near it.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 12, 2012 01:07 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Mike the Moose is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 04:38 PM (0q2P7)
As they guy says in the movie "Zombieland" Double tap. Always.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:07 PM (R9579)
oh sweet shit floating in my bowl of captain crunch
no No NO!!!
forget fucking Rubio, very low name recognition and he is afraid of the media
what you need is a conservative who will stand up to the opposition and the media at every turn
with some sweet name recognition
we lost because people stayed at home, get people fucking pumped up to get off their ass and pull the level
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 01:08 PM (/8JT8)
Too much Washington DC bullshit and back-room deals under his belt by then.
And I don't know what "The GOP can save him in the background" means.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 01:08 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 01:08 PM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 01:09 PM (i3OIF)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 12, 2012 01:09 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:09 PM (3Y7RV)
What's the true scoop on his being involved in an exorcism?
Posted by: SFGoth at November 12, 2012 01:09 PM (dZ756)
And you guys said that U3 would be under 5.5% by now. It was like the stimulus was just about buying votes and establishing a permanent underclass of moochers.
Screw.
Posted by: Armando at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (5iuEW)
Posted by: Daybrother at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (+paCV)
People who claim that they would vote Republican if it weren't for the social issues are deluding themselves and those fiscal conservatives who do vote Republican. It is just a nice thing to say because in theory they may support limited government, but in reality they want it . The abortion issue simply gives them cover.
Posted by: SH at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (gmeXX)
"Maybe we shouldn't be as hasty."
So true, I couldn't agree more+++. But this could be easier said than done, and it's more than whether the GOP leadership is weak-spined or not.
Interesting how the "fiscal cliff" really only got put on the table after the election. I don't recall any media gnashing of teeth pre-election over the fact that the Democrats and Obama had led us to this precipice and that some tough choices might have to be made. Now it's being presented as a hurdle that's the fault of both parties, and one that needs to be solved immediately. Now there is pressure for the parties to quickly "move beyond partisanship" (meaning give the Democrats pretty much everything they want NOW, because we have another crisis - after all, 'I won'.).
Some good economists, and my own financial guy (not a lib) have indicated there is reality to the "cliff". If the house digs in its heels and fights Obama hard, and the economy goes further in the tank, the Democrats and the media will demagogue every piece of economic bad news as a result of the GOP's failing to heed the true needs of the people. If the GOP caves (even partially), they take co-ownership with the Lightworker of the economy.
Again, to me this is a time for sober reflection and brainstorming from the ground up, not capitulating to the media's and Obama's premise that we are all Democrats now. But there are a lot of miserable political winds swirling that will impact any decision that is made.
Posted by: RM at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (TRsME)
Hey, you guys said UE would be down to 5%.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (XMaKL)
Posted by: Ronin at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (AzwZn)
He'd still be trying to chase down the last squirrel unleashed by the Obama campaign.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (P7hip)
And you would think anyone who is conservative and conscious ought to know this. I keep being astounded at how many of our candidates do not seem to get it that THE MEDIA *****HATE**** you!
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (R9579)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 01:10 PM (X3lox)
"Over the years I have known plenty of people in the pro-life movement in my state, and the ones that insist on banning abortion for rape or incest are very much in the minority, and it is an extreme position "
Then you are not pro-life. You are pro-responsibility. Nothing wrong with that. But I think Mourdouch's point, although ill-conceived, is that rape babies are babies too. I don't happen to agree with him, I think women should have a choice, but at least he is consistent with his stance on abortion. The GOP is not. I wish the GOP would stay out of the abortion issue. They believe that they are pro-choice, but are actually pro-abortion on every issue except when it comes to letting some crack whore have an abortion.
Posted by: Whatever Again at November 12, 2012 01:11 PM (zYCz+)
Posted by: misty at November 12, 2012 01:12 PM (FRnn2)
And I still say primaries should be scheduled based on percent a State voted Republican in the last general. Damn blue States should not be choosing our candidate.
Posted by: Vic at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (YdQQY)
Fucking right about this! I'm sick of hearing about New Hampshire and Iowa. Everybody should vote the same day, as far as i'm concerned.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:12 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 12, 2012 01:12 PM (JVGuP)
Posted by: logprof at November 12, 2012 01:12 PM (jKE+Z)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 12, 2012 01:13 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: LITY at November 12, 2012 01:13 PM (EU/eY)
Rubio can handle the media.
His story is the true dream.
That and he can deliver Florida fairly easily.
That and having a Hispanic (yes I know he's Cuban, so fuck off) as running for PRESIDENT will influence Latino voters in other swing states.
Back that up with genius soon to be President TOM COTTON (would you mother fuckers look this guy up and get behind him now!!!!! a man from Hope, AR, war hero, Harvard law grad, I mean fuck!!!!!!!)
We could be talking about 16 YEARS of pub rule as Prez.!!!
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:13 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 01:13 PM (cMdem)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 04:42 PM (79ueO)
Thanks. I don't hit them every day, just once in a while.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:13 PM (R9579)
you can hate it. But it's true.
Women went 7 to 1 for Obama.
Women want government daddies/hubbies.
In general they also fear words like "war" and "secession"
(see @386) because we must "play nice" but yet be understanding of "ladyparts" which are holy and sacrosanct or something.
I have yet to see an election or a country lost due to the debate over a scrotum.
Pinkout anyone?
Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 01:13 PM (EZl54)
Taxpayers...you don't pay Taxes, you don't vote.
Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (i3OIF)
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The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote.
That's what I was replying to.
And I agree with you about the...."you don't pay Taxes, you don't vote".
That would cull out the herd a lot.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 01:14 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: misty at November 12, 2012 01:14 PM (FRnn2)
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 01:14 PM (kpCLl)
Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2012 01:14 PM (Mxt9o)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 01:14 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:15 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 01:15 PM (79ueO)
If the house digs in its heels and fights Obama hard, and the economy goes further in the tank, the Democrats and the media will demagogue every piece of economic bad news as a result of the GOP'sfailing to heed the true needs of the people.If the GOPcaves (even partially), they take co-ownership with the Lightworker of the economy.
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The Dems will never take co-ownership, they will always pin the blame on the GOP (either past or present). And what good is taking co-ownership if you get nothing good from it. Let the media blame the GOP. Let's at least get more people back on the tax rolls.
Posted by: SH at November 12, 2012 01:15 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 01:15 PM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: Berserker at November 12, 2012 01:16 PM (FMbng)
The problem is who watches the watchmen?
Posted by: JollyRoger at November 12, 2012 04:45 PM (t06LC)
People WOULD care about it if the Media would cover it in a manner so as to make the public care.
I remember 1992. The Media would not shut up about how bad the economy was, even though it wasn't really bad. The Day after the election Peter Jennings announced " It's a Miracle! The Economy actually recovered back in March! Sorry for all that bad news we've been feeding you up till now! And now let us congratulate president Clinton on his Election victory! "
Bunch of cocksuckers.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:17 PM (R9579)
Blow me navycopjoe. you fucking idiots should look that guy up, just won R - 4th Dist. Arkansas.
A real war hero, front lines in Afghanistan and Iraq and REQUESTED infantry.
The message was not the problem this election.
IT WAS THE MESSENGER.
And yes, I thought Mitt could do it and was very well qualified.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:17 PM (tVTLU)
At least those assholes in Iowa wouldn't be on the news. Anything that prevents those smug fucks from showing their ugly mugs on TV will get my support.
Three primaries/week starting in April.
That would work.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 01:17 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:18 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 01:18 PM (x7g7t)
"Perry is also very charismatic.
We need charismatic candidates out there to 'sell' conservative ideas."
He has a lot of work to do, and it may be a long shot, but with what happened last Tuesday, everything is on the table. I don't think Perry should be written off as totally out of the running for 2016.
Posted by: RM at November 12, 2012 01:19 PM (TRsME)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 01:19 PM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:19 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:19 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:19 PM (3Y7RV)
443....What's worse is that Perry's rambling, mumbling, medicated debate performance has basically killed any future he might have had as a national candidate in future.
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Nah.
I think Perry could rehabilitate his image.
He could do it by standing in front of a screen...and replaying the footage of himself, doing the mumbling and blank-out stuff.
Then...
He could simply say something like...
"Wow. That was bad, wasn't it. Let this be a lesson to you. Don't have back surgery and then go on national TV while on pain medication."
But he needs to start doing things like this, long before the next election cycle gets here.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 01:19 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: That's right at November 12, 2012 01:20 PM (+68kf)
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 04:49 PM (00XQo)
Sorry. Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, etc. in that order.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:21 PM (R9579)
499 Truthfully, I'm still gobsmacked
really?
just consider for a second that voters watch honey boo boo
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 01:21 PM (/8JT8)
blindside,
well, that's kind of a weird one, but yeah IT'S ALWAYS THAT WAY.
Hispanics have not taken over OH. We lost connection with our core voter, lower-middle class whites.
That's what we need to take back, and frankly, they were put off by Mitt quite a lot.
That's what we need to recapture as well as expand the base.
Individual freedom and rights should always win out.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:21 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:22 PM (QupBk)
I think you're right, wheatie. And I still love the guy. It was a fucked up confluence of circumstances that put him on the sidelines. And I do believe that barry and company much preferred Romney and they got what they wanted.
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 01:22 PM (kpCLl)
Letting two blue states like Iowa and New Hampshire vote first is brain dead.
How about a rule: all states that voted blue last election can only hold their primaries after all states that voted red have had their primaries?
Posted by: cool breeze at November 12, 2012 01:23 PM (A+/8k)
Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 01:24 PM (s0f54)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:24 PM (3Y7RV)
501, that attitude put this stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure in office.
And if anyone would read the bio of Tom Cotton you will see this guy is the real deal.
Or for fuck's sake, we could have more of the same from the pubs? How's that working out for you.
THE LAST NON SUPER-RICH AND SUPER-ENTITLED PRESIDENT THAT THE PUBS HAVE PUT FORWARD WAS
RONALD REAGAN!!!!!!!!!
But yeah, the messenger means nothing eh?
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:24 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:24 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (ymG7s)
What REALLY screwed HW Bush was his lie. "Read my lips, no new taxes."
Because he broke his promise, he couldn't point out what an unmitigated fucking liar Bill Clinton was, and always had been. Bush lost the Character issue, which was his most potent weapon against the Lying-Ass Clinton.
Bush gave us Clinton. Had he been a real conservative, that wouldn't have happened. It's that "Kinder, Gentler" bullshit that made him an albatross for his party's legacy.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:25 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 12, 2012 01:25 PM (jucos)
#467 I haven't written much on racial stuff over the years. But this secession crap has my teeth rattling. If you can't understand the blatant racial overtones of it, I can't help you. The Left went batshit crazy in 2007 when Rick Perry made some dumb offhanded comment about "separation." I guarantee you that if Perry's campaign had gained traction this would have been a HUGE thing used against him.
It's almost a corollary to Godwin's Law. Yiou can't invoke Hitler to win an argument and you can't talk about secession after losing an election to a black guy.
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 01:25 PM (aBlZ1)
you know, the last time Da BEARS won the super Ronald Reagan was the president and everything was great in this country
so, if all you h8rs would start rooting for the correct team, we can get a true conservative back in office
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 01:25 PM (/8JT8)
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Except, of course, that Stalin never completely regained consciousness after his final stroke, and never said an intelligible word on his deathbed.
Posted by: Adjoran at November 12, 2012 01:26 PM (ZHQvg)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 01:26 PM (r2PLg)
451...oh sweet shit floating in my bowl of captain crunch
no No NO!!!
forget fucking Rubio, very low name recognition and he is afraid of the media
what you need is a conservative who will stand up to the opposition and the media at every turn
with some sweet name recognition
we lost because people stayed at home, get people fucking pumped up to get off their ass and pull the level
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:08 PM (/8JT
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This!
I agree navycopjoe.
We need someone that fires up the base.
And also appeals to some conservative Dems.
People want to see a fighter.
Romney fought against his conservative opponents, harder than he fought against the JEF.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 01:26 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:26 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: skilaki at November 12, 2012 01:26 PM (CFOVo)
Posted by: Ronin at November 12, 2012 01:27 PM (AzwZn)
And they'll faint before you hit them, so don't let them off that easy.
Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 12, 2012 04:50 PM (hNXHo)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:27 PM (R9579)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 01:27 PM (XkWWK)
Yeah, I've eaten my crow. Enough.
Posted by: Dianna at November 12, 2012 01:27 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: weew at November 12, 2012 01:27 PM (6ll+l)
Posted by: Sidney Allen Johnson at November 12, 2012 01:27 PM (s4E5M)
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Mt porn mustache thanks you.Posted by: Jay Cutler at November 12, 2012 01:27 PM (jucos)
The Bears play for CHICAGO at SCOAMF Field.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 01:28 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: laughing at neck braces at November 12, 2012 01:28 PM (nVqtU)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 01:29 PM (/8JT8)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:29 PM (3Y7RV)
I love looking at the difference between what people say and what they actually do. There was once a psychology experiment* that asked a couple of hundred people what they would do if they found a $20.00 bill lying on the pavement with a 'help desk' fifty feet away. The vast majority said they would take the money to the 'help desk'. So they then dropped the $20.00 on the pavement and recorded what happened for a couple hundred times. Nobody carried the $20.00 to the 'help desk'. They stuck it in their pocket and walked away.
Stuff like this makes me scratch my head. Almost as much as people who claim to be homosexual, but when investigated have spent the majority of their lives in heterosexual relationships. I scratch my head.
Anyway, as philosophically opposed to abortion as I may be, I realize people lie, and that lie should not be the reason that a perfectly winnable election is lost, if candidates would only realize that stepping to the left or right of that third rail is a perfectly acceptable way to deal with liars.
* I have no source for this except classroom twenty odd years ago. Also; as a warning, most psychological per-employment questionnaires use some variant of this question to screen applicants. Why? Because they should.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 12, 2012 01:29 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 05:27 PM (XkWWK)
That's because Hannity always gets his talking points from RNC Central Command.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 12, 2012 01:29 PM (BuSM8)
I'm from New Hampshire and I agree.
Is Sparta still around?
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 12, 2012 01:30 PM (3bo9E)
I'm thinking if I hold onto hope, I'll lose everything I've got. I honestly don't know what action to take.
So I guess I ponder it until something collapses.
Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 04:51 PM (lkjWK)
I empathize, and I don't know what to tell you. I think i'm set up better than most, but not nearly enough so as to give me a feeling of security. I'm working to get off the grid as much as possible and become as self reliant as possible. I'm not so worried about living without money as I am about defending what i've got from the zombie hordes.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:30 PM (R9579)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:30 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 01:30 PM (t1NLo)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (/8JT8)
..........
Yeah, Ace. We definitely need some perspective.
I'm sure that's what the Poles thought after the Nazis invaded them in 1939.
"Hmmm.. let's see.. where did we go wrong and how are we going to do better next time?"
But there wasn't any next time. There was:
A. Give in
B. Die
C. Give in and probably die anyway
D. Wait until the Third Reich collapses (If B & C didn't get ya)
Our choices are learn to live with it and wait for the whole thing to collapse.
We can only try to do as much as we can do to hasten the collapse. That might be ok for you younger guys & gals. But I'm 61. I will likely not see another conservative led America in my lifetime.
If conservatives in Congress grew some balls and shut down the government come the next debt ceiling or budget battle, I might have some hope. But even then, the "takers" would blame the GOP anyway, so it wouldn't help politically.
Nope. We're f*cked. This was our last chance.
But maybe I just need to give myself some time to get some perspective...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (f9c2L)
wheatie and navycopjoe,
I don't understand what is wrong with Rubio though. I actually donated to him and thought his speech at the convention was fantastic.
Why do you think he isn't a fighter??? He's got a solid base.
And yes, if only we could have a true-blue conservative like Reagan and a Bears superbowl, the country would be BACK!!
I blame nothing on GWB, but he suffers from the same flaws that most of our candidates have had recently (i.e., rich kid, wasn't a veteran, etc.)
We need a strong principled set of candidates that came from nothing, even an immigrant background, and fought for this country.
Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016.
Watch it happen. Tom Cotton will be the next Senator from Arkansas.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (qBtUE)
Well NCJ, Cultler don't heal, our boys are fucked.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:29 PM (3Y7RV)
He'll have to be the Terminator to survive with that offensive line
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 04:52 PM (QW+AD)
Anything which will force a realization, will at this point be beneficial in the long run. Painful, but perhaps mitigating worse pain later.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Caustic at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: skilaki at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (CFOVo)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (3Y7RV)
And not everyone on say the largest entitlements like MediCare and Social Security are automatically Democrats, in fact, we did quite well with that demographic.
Most people that I know and have been able to comfortably discuss politics with aren't Democrats because they're wards of the state that would be on the street otherwise, they're turned off by a party that sounds like the Preacher from "Footloose". I obviously think the media over emphasizes this, but that element is certainly there and if someone is not religious, they'll find every reason to be against a political party that emphasizes those issues.
As far as "what to do about it" I would hope we can all be in agreement that we can't become the Party of food stamps and free cell phones, but we can be the Party of free people vs free shit.
Posted by: McAdams at November 12, 2012 01:31 PM (aVSeo)
Posted by: Mike Huckabee Suddenly Barging Through the Door
Heh. Yeah, the only thing that would make me wish Santorum was the nominee would be if Huckabee was the nominee instead.
Huckabee's the WORST.
Look, Santorum is probably a decent guy. But given his long record of infamous public statements (on contraception, on sodomy, on the separation of church and state, etc.), Santorum (especially as viewed through the MSM) would be like having Akin at the top of the ticket.
Stephanopoulous's "contraception" question-- Santorum provided the opening for that. Santorum himself said he found the evils of contraception-- not abortion, contraception-- to be a public policy issue a POTUS should be talking about (sounds like preaching to me) from the White House.
The GOP brand needs some rethinking, some rehab. Brand "Santorum" is just NOT the way to go.
I'm not saying socons or soconservatism should be dismissed. I consider socons valuable allies, though I'm not a socon myself.
But the GOP HAS to start appealing to younger voters, many of whom have a "libertarian" streak that might be educated/ cultivated into conservatism. Santorum as GOP nominee (which would mean a 2016 election covered by the MSM as 100% absolute culture war, social issues, war on women & gays) will repel young voters (and women) from the GOP much more than they are already.
Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 01:32 PM (tUcg9)
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 12, 2012 01:33 PM (3bo9E)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 01:33 PM (x7g7t)
Until the money runs out, of course, then what are you gonna do?
Methinks the picture's too big for your frame, Olaf...
Posted by: Armando at November 12, 2012 01:33 PM (5iuEW)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:33 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:34 PM (QupBk)
"Wow. That was bad, wasn't it. Let this be a lesson to you. Don't have back surgery and then go on national TV while on pain medication."
br]This is your candidate. This is your candidate on drugs. Any questions? (followed by a montage of Joe Biden smashing things with a skillet)
Posted by: wooga at November 12, 2012 01:34 PM (vjyZP)
I thought triumph of the moochers immediately after the election, then I went thru a whole bunch of other machinations, and I have come back to my original thought. And if it is the case, we're boned. That's how national moocherism always ends, in a painful boning.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 12, 2012 01:34 PM (PHb2k)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 01:34 PM (r2PLg)
No, not really. They would have to up the fantasy of entitlement.
The people that will be turned on will be those who still have jobs.
Posted by: RayJ at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (pI/IV)
Posted by: Pyrocles at November 12, 2012 01:34 PM (EXxnp)
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 01:34 PM (t1NLo)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 01:35 PM (X3lox)
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I...almost won it?
Posted by: Mitt Romney, Channeling the Cruiser from Stripes at November 12, 2012 01:35 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 01:35 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 01:36 PM (FcR7P)
Why did we lose it? Cuz we got up and went to work every day.
Good news is, our soon-to-be military weakness will probably deprive us of everything we have worked for for two hundred years, so it doesn't really matter what the FSA does.
yip, I am a little bleak right now.
Posted by: Artruen at November 12, 2012 01:36 PM (fDGF1)
Posted by: Jay Cutler at November 12, 2012 01:36 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 01:36 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 05:24 PM (3Y7RV)
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It wasn't just the MFM. All one had to do is get on one of the primary threads here on AoSHQ to see who the type of people were who disqualified our best candidates.
Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2012 01:36 PM (gD/bl)
Olaf, you are being very impolite. Please answer my question.
What is your share of the national debt?
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 01:36 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 01:37 PM (GEICT)
I have 5K more rounds inbound on UPS. Even though I don't need it, even though some of it doesn't go with any weapon I have. I'm thinking trade goods.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:57 PM (QupBk)
Don't know if you are against it on moral grounds or not, but I would advise cases of cheap liquor. Wiskey, Vodka, Gin, etc.
If you think things are in eminent danger of coming apart, buy cheap mouthwash with intentions of distilling it later. (Mostly drinkable alcohol)
.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:37 PM (R9579)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 01:38 PM (x7g7t)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:38 PM (QupBk)
Peter Rock,
With all due respect, the national guard isn't the kind of veteran I'm talking about.
The left even made up fake papers to destroy GW's service. But when you have a war veteran such as Tom Cotton that volunteered for front line duty
THEN THE LEFT HAS NO FUCKING THING TO SAY EXCEPT SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE IT.
Allen West is fighting for his life even though he was ass raped with a redistricting. His military service played a big role in carrying him this far.
Americans respect that, clear as day. But the national guard and fighting in wars are kind of two different things.
If anything, with GW it was MORE EVIDENCE OF PRIVILEGE than anything else.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:38 PM (tVTLU)
567 BroadwellÂ’s father says thereÂ’s more to the story
that his daughter was a big tittied milf slut who was fucking a married man?
already figured that one out
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 01:39 PM (/8JT8)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 01:39 PM (SKX2R)
Sure do, just like my question: What is your share of the national debt?
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 01:39 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:39 PM (QupBk)
You are confused. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the political philosophy of most people here.
But keep arguing those points. Soon nobody will respond to your posts except to make fun of them, and you. If you are lucky your name will become a standing joke around here. If you are unlucky you will simply be ignored.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 01:39 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at November 12, 2012 01:39 PM (Ub0+8)
Imagine if we'd done that in 2008!
Posted by: weew at November 12, 2012 01:40 PM (ElfHn)
I've heard it said in several different places that we won't have a white male as the nominee in '16, and I think that's correct. Whether the way gets cleared for Rubio, or it's Jindal, Martinez, or Cruz, we'll see. (And yes, CNN or CBS is going to get footage of some dummy saying something stupid about being for that person because we need to appeal to "those people", or something like that, it's inevitable.) Heck, the Dems are almost certain to nominate Hillary or possibly Elizabeth Warren.
Perry needs to be involved, because he's figured out how to get reasonable levels of Latino support. Even if we don't go the whole-amnesty-hog, he's used other issues to earn their votes too.
Posted by: KingCranium at November 12, 2012 01:41 PM (+Uv5V)
My 20-something niece says"
"Here's what I would say to the Republican party:
Your ideas about smaller government and smart budget cuts aren't half bad, and it'd be nice to have other options to consider besides one party. However, your insistence on denying equal rights to 10% of the country (gays) and your continual ignorance of science (attempts to ban stem-cell research, claims that global warming isn't happening) make it hard for voters like me to relate to you. Not to mention the occasional misogynistic comment about rape. The old white guys are dying, and the new generation is ultra-informed (thanks to social media) and increasingly progressive. It's high-time you regrouped. And when you do, I'm happy to engage."
I say, as long as the Democratic party is successful in painting Republicans as ignorant and mean they're gonna win. The magic formula is to put Republican ideology in words and a format that shows directly how nice and smart it is, and hammer it like a nail.
Sorry for being serious.
Posted by: me at November 12, 2012 01:41 PM (dXvIf)
Posted by: Dave S. at November 12, 2012 01:41 PM (BfZ1r)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:41 PM (QupBk)
Sorry, maybe blue staters have deeper issues with secession since Lincoln pulled off his own imperial presidency stunt. In the South it is still the war of Northern aggression and viable for discussion, damn a bunch of racial bullshit.
Personally I don't give a damn about the black vote. They certainly have (in general ) written off everybody who looks like me.
I also do not buy off on letting marxists redefine the
language into something warmer and fuzzier and more comfortable.
In the battle for warm and fuzzy for the conservative side, if nice guy Mitt and doe-eyed Paul couldn't pull it off, it doesnt say to me " Get Nicer".
It also doesn't suggest to me that more territory needs to be ceded to the enemy, rhetorical or otherwise.
Many red state Americans are willing to fight for America but for some random Union maintained with those who daily co-opt the USA brand and yet are ideologically opposed to everything American? Not so much.
And libtards were seriously psycho long before Perry said something "scary". This is a battle of sanity versus insanity.
Compromising with insanity is ....crazy.
Secession may sound nuts to you but there are MANY who have been ready to peacefully withdraw and let the lunatics run the asylum for a long time now. At least 25000 people in Texas disagreed with you on a White House Petition started TODAY!
Posted by: secession at November 12, 2012 01:42 PM (EZl54)
But that is the game the Dems and the media play and until we realize it we are doomed.
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 12, 2012 04:59 PM (06lNq)
And this is why I think violence against media people is not a bad idea. Kick their asses a few times, and explain that you'll do it again, and they will either react with on air vitriol or over the top screaming, or they will decide maybe they don't want to be looking over their shoulder for their next ass kicking.
I am ordinarily very non-violent. I have only had to resort to it a few times in my life, but amazingly enough, every time i've had to resort to it, it solved the problem. Apparently people will show respect for people who stand up for themselves! Whodda thunk?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:42 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:38 PM (tVTLU)
Glad you get to define what a veteran is or not. It was the Air National Guard by the way and some these units served admirably in Vietnam.
Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 01:42 PM (m2CN7)
But free cheese is so delightful,
And since we've no wage to earn,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn!
On Israel bombs are dropping,
But I've scrounged some corn for popping,
The good times will not return,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn!
When that ol' Bill Of Rights is gone,
And we're nothing but government drones
We'll wish we made more of a fight,
But we still have our Obama phones!
The country is slowly dying,
And the government's crap, we're buying
But I really have no concern,
Let It Burn Let It Burn Let It Burn !
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 12, 2012 01:42 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:42 PM (3Y7RV)
We're out of money. We can't pay for the entitlements.
So the real question is: What now?
Posted by: Dianna at November 12, 2012 01:43 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: dustydog at November 12, 2012 01:43 PM (K550W)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 01:44 PM (MmH0Z)
What is your share of the national debt?
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 01:44 PM (z9HTb)
True story from 2008. The Republican primaries.
I caught a news clip with Mitt Romney wrapping his arms around the shoulders of a couple of black guys he had come across on the street, and spontaneously bursting into off-key song. "Woof, woof. Who let tha dogs out?"
I said, "Oh shit. Stiff Mormon chasing the hipster youth vote. Man, don't even TRY."
Same basic problem this year.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 01:44 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 04:59 PM (QupBk)
Yeah, there's no overcoming that, but over at "Curmudgeonly and Skeptical" Rodger suggests that all the sane states get together and kick all the loons out of the Union! A sort of Reverse Secession! We keep the USA, and they can be the USSS. (Union of Soviet Socialist States.)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:44 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Mick McMick at November 12, 2012 01:44 PM (l+MMl)
Note, the ONLY Republican who put up a fight, Alan West, looks like he will win....
Post election day, there are ALREADY 3000 votes that somehow materialized as soon as he started asking questions.
If you don't even TRY to make your opponent follow the rules... you probably won't win.... will you.... (see Obama overseas campaign contributions... and NO real stink about it from the GOP).
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 12, 2012 01:45 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Mick McMick at November 12, 2012 01:45 PM (l+MMl)
Posted by: echo $MEH at November 12, 2012 01:46 PM (BHM5V)
Posted by: Daybrother at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (+paCV)
How many here dumped their cable after the election? I did. That is my war. I got $1500 more in my pocket. How about you?
Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 01:46 PM (lkjWK)
What gets me is, Romney didn't even make the best arguments for his own policies. For instance, tax cuts work because they increase economic growth and hence revenues. Tax increases do the opposite. But I don't think I heard him say this once. I also didn't hear the argument refuted that Bush's tax cuts created the financial crisis. The financial crisis was created by the federal government forcing banks to make mortgage loans to people who they knew couldn't pay them back. But I don't think I heard Romney say this.
We need to nominate a true conservative.
Posted by: norrin radd at November 12, 2012 01:46 PM (vKSyL)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 12, 2012 01:47 PM (Ec6wH)
i live only to witness the suffering and misery that is to come... i welcome it, i'll do whatever small things i can to hasten its arrival.
Posted by: Shoey at November 12, 2012 01:47 PM (jdOk/)
perry was the one they were afraid of, also the first to go
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (/8JT
Herman Cain was the one they were afraid of. I think he would have Nuked Barry had he got the chance. He wouldn't have been afraid to call him a punk, and everything in between, and the Liberal Media would have got the pimp hand.
I was really really really hoping for Herman Cain to win this, but Perry was my man after that. (Then Newt, Then Santorum, then finally by default, Romney.)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:47 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 01:47 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 01:47 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: soothie at November 12, 2012 01:47 PM (vanqS)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:47 PM (QupBk)
Truthfully, I'm still gobsmacked.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 05:19 PM (QupBk)
Me too. It's hard to admit that your country, which you've always been proud of, is now made up of dumbfucks, deadbeats and cocksuckers as the majority.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 12, 2012 01:48 PM (e8MCr)
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 05:25 PM (aBlZ1)
You make good points, but if you believe that the country has passed a tipping point, there aren't too many other things to talk about.
I do believe we have passed such a tipping point. The 47% have become 51% and are just going to be demanding that the productive minority provide them with more free stuff from here on out. Obamacare is now permanent and will cement the dependency of even more people on big government. Identity politics has triumphed with historically lopsided margins among women, blacks, Hispanics and Asians.
Blacks have been voting against the GOP by at least 90% margins for generations. Nothing will ever change that and it is futile to try.
The country needs a divorce.
Posted by: cool breeze at November 12, 2012 01:48 PM (A+/8k)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 01:48 PM (79ueO)
Peter Rock,
You need to get with the fucking program. I am not defining anything.
WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE AND DEFEAT THE LEFT. I told you how they tore down our current candidates and GW.
With Mitt, since they have no fucking war experience re Obama/Biden, you've got Whoopie asking Ann Romney crazy questions about Mormons not serving in the military.
With the whole group you've got them calling everyone chickenhawks.
With GW, they said it was the national guard and he got stuck in there rather than fight because of PRIVILEGE.
WE NEED TO KILL THE LEFT BEFORE THEY MAKE THE ARGUMENT.
Now what the fuck are they going to say about Tom Cotton.
3rd Generation Veteran.
From a cattle farmer. Limited means.
High school ATHLETE (not cheer leader)
Top of his class Harvard Law.
Paid off his debts and after 9-11 went to volunteer for infantry in Iraq 101st. Recruiter tried to force him into JAG, he wanted infantry.
Another tour in Afghanistan.
Then read up on his studying, very deep knowledge in conservative thought.
THIS IS OUR GUY.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:49 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 01:49 PM (79ueO)
You're seeing things that aren't there.>
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That's the real problem, Blindside...it doesn't matter what WE see and know. State's rights=slavery, secession=slavery, etc. I would think that 4 years of all criticism of Obama being labeled racist, or at least the stupid list of lefty "racial dog whistles", etc, would have made it obvious by now. Hell, here in Philly, the one state rep that mentioned the ridiculous voting numbers and obvious voting law violations was shouted down as a racist, and that's it. There is no way to have a reasonable discussion.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 12, 2012 01:49 PM (YmPwQ)
Fail.
Public Service Announcement: It's 2012
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 01:49 PM (MmH0Z)
But your theory only holds tightly for first term Obama, not winning a second term.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 05:00 PM (MmH0Z)
It holds for the second term. Denying him a second term would be tantamount to admitting he was a failure, which is tantamount to admitting they were wrong. From the Media's perspective, this was like General Custer in the movie "Little Big Man."
"Your miserable life is not worth the reversal of a Custer decision! "
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:49 PM (R9579)
Who were our best candidates?
Palwenty dropped out himself, the idiot. If he'd stuck it out, he probably could've won it.
Perry-- who disqualified him? As I recall, the attacks that probably hurt him the worst (since these were primaries) came from the right, from stalwart conservative pundits, furious at him for his "heartless" remark re immigration. Like Michelle Malkin. And Palin went after him for "crony capitalism." And Cain went after him for n***** rock. And Bachmann went kamikaze (blowing herself up in the process) on Gardisil. Etc.
It's not RINOs or moderates who took down Perry. I was rooting for Perry myself.
If you seriously think Bachmann or Cain were our "best candidates"...
Let's just say, to put it mildly-- I disagree.
Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 01:49 PM (tUcg9)
but man, that last 5-10 minutes...
http://youtu.be/KEdyViVg1i4
Have we had--since Reagan--as dynamic a speaker in the party?
Posted by: bigpale at November 12, 2012 01:49 PM (zPwwO)
543 wheatie and navycopjoe,
I don't understand what is wrong with Rubio though. I actually donated to him and thought his speech at the convention was fantastic.
Why do you think he isn't a fighter??? He's got a solid base.
-------------
Rubio's a good guy.
Except for his Dream Act stuff....he loses a lot of the base with that.
So it's not so much 'me', but whether the base would support him.
Perry garbled up his explanation of what he passed in Texas...which was *not* a Dream Act.
It was simply allowing the children of illegals to 'Pay' for their own tuition at in-state rates, if they had gone to high school there for 3 years.
But Perry lost a lot of support for that 'have a heart' remark....people went nuts over it.
Rubio has gone a lot further than that....a lot further.
He's even rather squishy about what he would do to protect the borders.
Or at least what I've heard from him so far.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 01:50 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 01:50 PM (SKX2R)
Sounds a lot like, "Hey, we'll make it up on volume."
Posted by: K~Bob at November 12, 2012 01:50 PM (mNhBm)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 01:50 PM (cMdem)
Posted by: soothie at November 12, 2012 01:51 PM (NLH1M)
Posted by: Marmo at November 12, 2012 05:01 PM (QW+AD)
Better get ready to exist without the need for dollars. Old silver coins are a good idea. They can't deny that they are legal tender.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:51 PM (R9579)
Ding!
I cannot tell you how good it feels to not be feeding the beast.
But here's the deal. When you dump and boycott a business, you must tell them specifically why you are dumping them. Otherwise they just figure it's normal frictional losses.
Write that letter. (Stamped postal mail is far more resonant with businesses than email is.) Tell them exactly why it is you cancelled. Their donations to Democrats. Their flagrant "news" bias. Their consistently leftwing slant to entertainment. Be impeccably polite, but leave them in no doubt why they're getting $1500 less every year.
If enough of us do that, a message WILL be received.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 01:52 PM (ymG7s)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:52 PM (QupBk)
Unless AtC is gonna apply herself and get SMOD on the case.
Posted by: Muad'dib at November 12, 2012 01:52 PM (SCTXH)
Posted by: Jimi Ray iPhone at November 12, 2012 01:52 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: madamex at November 12, 2012 01:52 PM (+kvQd)
If it were to happen, we could then discuss and cuss which Republicans would have to fall on their swords in order for specific bills to pass.
Sometimes you have to let some people hit rock bottom, touch the hot burner, etc. before they get a clue.
Posted by: Lipstick and Lead at November 12, 2012 01:53 PM (GustN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 01:53 PM (GEICT)
But he would've been killed on foreign policy. He would've been "Palinized" by the media, very easily, as an ignoramus.
Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 01:53 PM (tUcg9)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 01:53 PM (cMdem)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 01:53 PM (x7g7t)
Posted by: bigpale at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (zPwwO)
West is far more dynamic, and far less of a squish. Rubio is a solid 'R' vote, in general, but he's made a career out of letting Tea Party types be the cannon fodder while he plays the middle ground.
I could support him, but I'd put a LOT of people ahead of him, first.
Posted by: K~Bob at November 12, 2012 01:54 PM (mNhBm)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 01:54 PM (FcR7P)
He was a REAL conservative, not a wannabe like Romney.
It hurt, for a long time. I still have a can of "Goldwater"
A period of morning and regrouping is in order.
It takes time, just let it go for a while.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 12, 2012 01:54 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Peaches at November 12, 2012 01:54 PM (kpCLl)
(Look to Occupy movement for guidance-which is the new normal sadly)
Let us see how it works out????
Oblamo Raises taxes on the people that pay the most and they say F*** You not gonna pay anymore???
I'm OK with that
Posted by: Chicken ala King at November 12, 2012 01:54 PM (VvvBE)
Posted by: HarryNYC at November 12, 2012 01:54 PM (aDfH7)
You need their votes...to cancel out all those dumbass liberal men out there who vote for free shit.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 05:05 PM (ICEh3)
I think the 19th, the 24th, and the 26th should be replaced by a simple amendment. If you PAY Federal Taxes, you can vote in Federal elections.
But it's too late now.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:55 PM (R9579)
They're also expecting a drop in fourth quarter earnings after losing the Romneybot 4.0 firmware contract.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 01:55 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: NObama12 at November 12, 2012 01:55 PM (GkYyh)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 01:55 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:55 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: JDTAY at November 12, 2012 01:56 PM (a0nis)
Posted by: Jimi Ray iPhone at November 12, 2012 01:56 PM (79EF9)
"It holds for the second term. Denying him a second term would be tantamount to admitting he was a failure, which is tantamount to admitting they were wrong"
That may be true for the media and fringes. But the white guilt part, historic nature, and other factors driving votes to him in 2008 should have been removed as factors for the vast majority. I don't think it holds very well, given his record.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 01:56 PM (MmH0Z)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 01:57 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 12, 2012 01:57 PM (jucos)
Wheatie, well yeah, the powers that be need to get Rubio pinned down on his thoughts and how we go forward.
But frankly, I've never trusted even the powers that be on this issue.
But they have to know it needs to be common sense and reach consensus. We'll never please anyone, but we need a plan.
FIRST ENFORCEMENT, then a plan for status for certain people.
FIRST SPENDING CUTS, then revenue.
We need to frontload this shit and put out both our plans AND TELL THE DEMS TO BRING IT THE FUCK ON.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 01:57 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (i3OIF)
This. Repeal the 24th amendment. (And the 26th except for those who serve in the Military.)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 01:57 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at November 12, 2012 01:57 PM (UU0OF)
If there was no fruad, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The "moochers" did not win, they stole. Romney was a great candidate who won in a landslide.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 12, 2012 01:57 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 12, 2012 01:57 PM (NzBQO)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 01:58 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 05:55 PM (uvzjj)
This. An example of a country which was TOO successful, ironically.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 01:58 PM (MmH0Z)
We have done something unprecedented in American history, though not in other places. We have elected to sell our decendants into economic slavery to save ourselves from current pain.
I'm 63, and what I have left is to hope to die before it all collapses. Since that may well take another 40-50 years I'm probably fine. It won't be easy to watch though.
It's amazing how long countries with rich natural resources can go on this way. All that oil and gas Obama is leaving in the ground is money in the bank. When things get bad enough, the leadership will allow it all to be produced to keep things floating a little longer.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 01:58 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 01:58 PM (cMdem)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 01:59 PM (QupBk)
628, not to mention Santorum and Gingrich. If you thought that the Dems unfairly hung the rape comments around Romney's neck, what would they have done to Santorum?
Gingrich, I believe, would have fought harder and much dirtier. Buit he has tons of his own baggage, as well as some loopy ideas.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 12, 2012 01:59 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: blindside at November 12, 2012 01:59 PM (x7g7t)
Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 05:49 PM (tVTLU)
fuck off. you are the one who said Bush was not a veteran. I simply corrected your error. Its dumbshits like you who confirm why we lose elections.
Posted by: Peter Rock at November 12, 2012 02:00 PM (m2CN7)
==========
I accept that we need to reach more people like your 20-something niece, but the vast majority of what she has to say to us is utter imbecility.
And that's a big problem, too.
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 02:00 PM (znT2j)
Oh, and you people that think electing Republicans will help are mistaken.
It's much too late for that.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 02:00 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 02:00 PM (aBlZ1)
It's his daughter. What's he going to say? "Yeah, when my little girl sees an officer's uniform, her cooch is going to get pounded harder than the Ft. Sill artillery range"?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 02:00 PM (SY2Kh)
Look to the 16th and 17th for that.
Posted by: AllenG at November 12, 2012 05:09 PM (8y9MW)
The 14th turned out to be pretty fucked up. More bad shit has been done based on the screwy wording of the 14th than any other amendment.
Abortion? The 14th. Banning Prayers at public events? The 14th. Wickard v Fillborn? The 14th. Fucked up Natural born citizen and created Anchor babies? The 14th.
The 14th is responsible for more judicial abuse than is any other amendment.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 02:01 PM (R9579)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 02:02 PM (FcR7P)
"The country needs a divorce."
Or at least the credible threat of a divorce in order to focus their minds.
This trajactory is not sustainable and I have zero interest in seeing us kill each other. If we can't get back to a reasonable facsimile of Federalism and a limited FedGov where Texas can be Texas and Kali can be Kali, we are doomed to a future of poverty and bloodletting.
If it is to be done, please God let it be done peaceably this time. There's no need for a Ft. Sumpter, Antietam, or Gettysburg for anyone but the bastards in charge. We can go our own ways and prosper. Fuck them.
Posted by: Jaws at November 12, 2012 02:02 PM (4I3Uo)
I'm the guy that doesn't like having someone demand that I get with the fucking program. Something to do with 'individualism', tough guy.
Are you really picking out candidates for 2016?
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 02:02 PM (z9HTb)
He WAS supposed to be Obama before Obama, I don't know what happened to him. They were touting all the way back in 2006? 2004? I forget but then suddenly he disappeared.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 12, 2012 02:02 PM (NzBQO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:02 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 02:02 PM (cMdem)
Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 02:02 PM (MsQkt)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 02:02 PM (r2PLg)
Book Four is a retrospective biopic on what brought Petraeus to this point in his career :
The General Inside Me: How Petraeus Climbed On Top and Took Command
Posted by: T. Hunter at November 12, 2012 02:03 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 02:03 PM (SKX2R)
Posted by: madamex at November 12, 2012 02:04 PM (+kvQd)
But to go to the 20 something idiot niece, we need to take it even to their level:
WITH REGARD TO GLOBAL WARMING:
Say look, even if you believe that bs, what are they proposing -- the lefties are doing NOTHING TO CHINA AND INDIA AND they can't possibly fix the problem (to the extent it exists) without doing so. The carbon tax and carbon exchanges and Kyoto protocol
ARE MIRAGES AND THE LEFTIES ARE HYPOCRITES.
Even if you buy their junk science, they are doing nothing to fix the problem!!!!!!
Same thing on taxes. If the government wants more $$, then lower tax rates. Worked for JFK, worked for Reagan, and it worked under GW.
This is nothing but politics and class warfare and DOES NOTHING TO ADDRESS THE DEFICIT OR SPENDING.....
TURN THE ARGUMENT ON THESE LEFTIES.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 02:04 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 02:04 PM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:04 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 02:05 PM (FcR7P)
Don't talk to me. We lose the election, my wife's uncle dies, one of my best hunting buddies dies and an old drinking friend dies.
Three funerals in a week sucks. Four if you count the election.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 12, 2012 02:06 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Tree of Liberty at November 12, 2012 02:06 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Whatev at November 12, 2012 02:06 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 12, 2012 02:06 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 02:07 PM (cMdem)
Posted by: Golan Globus at November 12, 2012 02:07 PM (/1U3u)
Posted by: Whatever Again at November 12, 2012 05:11 PM (zYCz+)
I believe that people have a right to exist when their existence doesn't pose a threat to someone with a greater claim. According to your theory, it would be consistent to demand the woman continue a pregnancy that might kill her.
No, the Woman has the greater claim on life. If it comes to be a contest between her and her child, she has the right to decide which of their lives is should be forfeit.
I believe this is the position favored by Jewish law as well.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 02:07 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 02:07 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Cricket at November 12, 2012 02:08 PM (2ArJQ)
So long as the GOP accepts fraud, we will lose. So tired of the leaders of this party rolling over.
http://tinyurl.com/aumoknc
Posted by: TD, one of the makers not one of the takers at November 12, 2012 02:08 PM (DQMcq)
We don't need a divorce. We need to make the Republicans stop enabling the free shit for everyone. Make them fight each other for a change over the money. The next four years should be all about that. Freeze federal spending at a minimum, try to cut it if possible.
Then we need to start in the Red states and change the electoral counts to do it by Congressional district. We CAN separate out the 100% Democrat areas, politically.
Posted by: rockmom at November 12, 2012 02:08 PM (aBlZ1)
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There was a video circulating before the election, in which someone described such abuses to voters in Manhattan, only he described them as policies of Mitt Romney.
The voters were appalled, right up until the moment when the guy admitted it was really Obama, at which point all but one person turned on a dime and changed their mind about the abuses being deplorable.
Once they knew it was Obama, they were fine with it.
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 02:09 PM (znT2j)
LOL
Last night I was watching 60 minutes (I know only old people watch it). David McCullough was interviewed. He told a story about receiving a note from a undergrad, from a Midwestern college, that had attended one of his lectures. She informed him that during his lecture she had became aware the 13 original colonies were on the east coast of the United States.
Oh yeah they are "ultra-informed" ... ultra-informed about the Kardashians.
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 02:09 PM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Dianna at November 12, 2012 02:09 PM (mKMj1)
Posted by: The Chap with the App at November 12, 2012 02:09 PM (fscec)
He WAS supposed to be Obama before Obama, I don't know what happened to him. They were touting all the way back in 2006? 2004? I forget but then suddenly he disappeared.
There was an article linked here a few weeks ago...blacks apparently despise him because he married a white woman.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 12, 2012 02:09 PM (i0App)
Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 02:09 PM (MsQkt)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:10 PM (uvzjj)
Peter Rock,
I'm going to type this very slowly. Why are you arguing with me? I agree that GWB was a veteran and have no problem with his service.
My point is that we have to understand the left to defeat them. That is why Tom Cotton is the right pick. He served FRONT LINE duty in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And did so voluntarily. There is no privilege with him and comes from a long line of veterans.
The lefties went after GWB and the chickenhawk line when they had their traitor/veteran John Kerry. (they had to shut up about this the last 4 years because their current clowns have been nowhere near the military). They said he got into the national guard because of his PRIVILEGE rather than actually go fight.
This is what we must understand. Yes, technically you are correct that GWB is a veteran. But the way GWB is a veteran is much different than the way Tom Cotton is a veteran.
And Cotton's service is immune from the usual left/commie fucking attack that these pukes always launch.
WE MUST UNDERSTAND this rather than act as if each person's military service is/was equal.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 02:10 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 06:00 PM (SY2Kh)
Keeping his fucking yap shut was an option
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at November 12, 2012 02:10 PM (e8MCr)
Posted by: Palooka at November 12, 2012 02:11 PM (oN+9z)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 12, 2012 02:11 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: tasker at November 12, 2012 02:11 PM (r2PLg)
It's too bad Joe Raposo is dead. I would like to commission him to write the "Get Off My Lawn Song"
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 02:12 PM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (pAlYe
Yep. Also, teh crazy eyes.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 02:12 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:12 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: runninrebel at November 12, 2012 02:13 PM (J4gw3)
He literally drew a blank.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 02:13 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: navybrat at November 12, 2012 02:13 PM (r1ty1)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 02:14 PM (3Y7RV)
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 02:15 PM (znT2j)
My 20-something niece says"
"Here's what I would say to the Republican party:
Your ideas about smaller government and smart budget cuts aren't half bad, and it'd be nice to have other options to consider besides one party. However, your insistence on denying equal rights to 10% of the country (gays) and your continual ignorance of science (attempts to ban stem-cell research, claims that global warming isn't happening) make it hard for voters like me to relate to you. Not to mention the occasional misogynistic comment about rape. The old white guys are dying, and the new generation is ultra-informed (thanks to social media) and increasingly progressive. It's high-time you regrouped. And when you do, I'm happy to engage."
I say, as long as the Democratic party is successful in painting Republicans as ignorant and mean they're gonna win. The magic formula is to put Republican ideology in words and a format that shows directly how nice and smart it is, and hammer it like a nail.
Sorry for being serious.
My response to your niece:
1) Gays aren't 10% of the population. At best, those born gay represent 2% or less of the population. For the rest it is a lifestyle choice. Conservatives aren't trying to deny gays their civil rights, we simply don't want to change the definition of marriage, something that has existed for thousands of years, at the whim of a small minority of people who, 20 years ago, were quite happy to sneer at us "breeders" and denounce monogamy. Many of them still do. Additionally, like it or not homosexuality is going to run into conflict with religious teachings, and the rights of religious groups to practice their faith. Should a Catholic business be forced to provide services to a gay couple getting married, if such marriages are in violation of that businessman's concience?
2) Conservatives aren't anti-science. We are happy to support adult stem cell research and continue to champion it as a proven source of new cures. Our objection is to the obsession with embryionic stem cell research, which continues to siphon off money despite failing to produce any significant breakthroughs and requires the destruction of human embryoes. The question of whether or not human embryos constitute life, and if that life deserves protection, is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. As for global warming, the scientific consensus is bunk; a media driven fiction supported by false data and grand projections. The Earth's climate has undergone vast changes in the distant past that were far greater than anything that we have seen today. So why should we assume that the current cycle is somehow manmade as opposed to a natural fluctuation?
Your generation is not smarter or more informed. In fact, if anything it is the opposite. Social media has encourage viruliant groupthink and reduced the ability of people to think critically about issues. You can read and write 140 character political slogans, but you can't produce a 2-3 page logical essay to defend your position. I know because I've seen the results of your increasing technological dependence in the soldiers that pass through my class.
Posted by: Alex at November 12, 2012 02:15 PM (3x3F6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:15 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: NCKate at November 12, 2012 02:15 PM (MsQkt)
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Helen Thomas. Rachel Maddow. Andrea Mitchell. Michelle Obama. Obama.Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:15 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 02:15 PM (cMdem)
Leeches win, 52 to 48.
Elmo is a NAMBLA chickenhawk.
Steve Schmitt (remember him? And his buddy Nicole? is the Media's designated expert on the GOP loss.
Posted by: Don't Follow Me on Twitter at November 12, 2012 02:15 PM (S3rrR)
But to have a country that's roughly pointed in the right direction in terms of public policy, I think we could achieve that with a GOP that was able to be largely agnostic on the social issues.
BTW, I think any talk from any Republican about secession is suicide (Perry was retarded to hint at that) but count me in as a vote for a peaceful secession.
I could see it happen only if our currency truly collapsed rapidly, something that's not exactly far fetched if we don't change direction quickly. I honestly think it would be peaceful, neither side likes dealing with the other. I don't see New England liberals pouring into Texas with rifles to stop it.
Posted by: McAdams at November 12, 2012 02:16 PM (aVSeo)
And Cotton's service is immune from the usual left/commie fucking attack that these pukes always launch.
WE MUST UNDERSTAND this rather than act as if each person's military service is/was equal.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 06:10 PM (tVTLU)
I see what you're saying but you have to realize that the one thing the left excels in beyond all others is in demonizing the right. So it almost doesn't matter what Cotton's background is - they will still find a way to make him out to be a racist woman-hating anti-Christ even if they have to make up shit to do it.
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 02:16 PM (pAlYe)
Today's conservatives are those guys all over again.
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:30 PM (t1NLo)
Most of the Jewish births in New York are Orthodox. They are conservative. You guys will win in the short run, but my side will win in the long run.
Demographics are on our side. Sorry you aborted and sodomize-infected yours.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 02:16 PM (R9579)
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Do MFM babes count? Because I can certainly do that.
But, yeah, normal lefty women? Forget about it.
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 02:16 PM (znT2j)
For many, that makes her even sexierPosted by: avi at November 12, 2012 02:16 PM (40anC)
In the meantime, we need to watch Obama like a freaking hawk, he is going to try to get away with a lot of crap. We have to be united in stopping him from enacting the crazy just because he thinks he can. We can't have him give China the keys to Fort Knox, for example, while we all are off on the sidelines squabbling about illegal immigration.
Posted by: LizLem at November 12, 2012 02:16 PM (8wqqE)
In her pictures Paula Broadwell is semi good-looking but also kinda odd
as well. If you told me she was a tranny, I could believe it.
I terribly story if this offends any Morons or Moronettes out there
A lot female runners get that tranny look as they age.
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 02:18 PM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 12, 2012 05:33 PM (3bo9E)
EBT cards don't have balance statements. You have to call a phone number...
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 02:19 PM (R9579)
....and her stomach, and her ass, and her thighs, and her face.....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 02:19 PM (UOM48)
but but don't you see we just need a candidate who is Reaganesque!
Reaganish?
Reaganlike?
SortaReagan?
nevermind..
Posted by: T. Hunter - frantically aligning Titanic's deck chairs at November 12, 2012 02:19 PM (EZl54)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (wR+pz)
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I'm very sorry to hear of your losses, Billy Bob. My condolences.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 02:19 PM (1Y+hH)
Now they are getting all the 'chicks who lick' vote!
Posted by: Mary Jane Rottencrotch at November 12, 2012 02:19 PM (vHGPw)
Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 02:20 PM (pdhxN)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 12, 2012 02:20 PM (cMdem)
It's his daughter. What's he going to say? "Yeah, when my little girl sees an officer's uniform, her cooch is going to get pounded harder than the Ft. Sill artillery range"?
I have to confess that my first though upon hearing that she was an officer was, "She must be MI, they always had the biggest sluts."
Posted by: Alex at November 12, 2012 02:20 PM (3x3F6)
Posted by: . at November 12, 2012 02:20 PM (hyP1j)
Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 02:20 PM (40anC)
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:18 PM (hl8SI)
Loss of subcutaneous fat. That's what gives older women who are exercise addicts that harsh look. An honest plastic surgeon will tell those women they don't need botox, they need to gain 10 pounds.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at November 12, 2012 02:20 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 02:21 PM (FcR7P)
Maetenloch,
Very true. But a lot falls by the wayside when one party can say, I fought for my country and I fought for you and freedom.
Of course the smear machine will come out. But actions speak louder than words, and when pictures of Tom Cotton in Iraq and Afghanistan, with guns out ready to go on patrol, surface, most of the attacks fall on deaf ears.
I mean seriously, the left's most vicious attacks are:
1) rich guys
2) white guys, but not so much (especially if Rubio is head of the ticket)
3) crazy values (we ran a fucking Mormon this time) I'll take a Catholic and a downhome protestant any day of the week.
4) chickenhawk - tough to make that argument when you've volunteered for two frontline tours.
AND THIS ALLOWS US TO TURN THE FUCKING TABLES ON THE LEFTIES.
I AM POOR AND THE LIBERALS SUCK BECAUSE.............
I FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, AND THE LIBERALS SUCK BECAUSE................
MY PARENTS WERE IMMIGRANTS AND LIBERALS SUCK BECAUSE...........
You guys get the drift. Take away their main arguments and leave the liberals screaming in the wilderness about lady parts.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 02:21 PM (tVTLU)
710In her pictures Paula Broadwell is semi good-looking but also kinda odd as well. If you told me she was a tranny, I could believe it.
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 06:07 PM (pAlYe)
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She looks a lot like Petraeus.
I mean, look at their features...she looks like a femalian version of him.
Some guys are attracted to women who resemble them.
Maybe Petraeus is like that.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 02:21 PM (ICEh3)
Never, ever commit to the crazy ones. In fact, a long weekend should be the legal limit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 02:22 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:22 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 06:05 PM (FcR7P)
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Since the approvals will take place before the Great Reformation or Revolution, you are correct.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 02:23 PM (1Y+hH)
1. Served at least one full term as governor.
2. Served at least one full Senate term.
3. Served in wartime with a rank of at least Lieutenant General.
If you don't meet one of those three criteria, you are not going to be elected President. Pay for your own fucking book tour and let the plausible candidates talk.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 02:23 PM (SY2Kh)
Right. Because after we cave on the social issues then the Marxists would definitely agree with us on the financial issues.
Posted by: T. Hunter - frantically aligning Titanic's deck chairs at November 12, 2012 02:23 PM (EZl54)
So, as I'm re-organizing my hierarchy of liberal importance, does bisexual now trump race? I thought I was going to hear cries of "racisms!!!111!" but then I remembered that Vernon Parker is black.
Posted by: jakeman at November 12, 2012 02:23 PM (96M6e)
Posted by: Michelle Obama at November 12, 2012 02:23 PM (40anC)
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I'm sorry, but this smacks of posing. Gay Congresswoman, fine. But bi? What does that mean? She alternates who she takes to the cocktail parties? Who gives a rat's butt?
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 02:24 PM (znT2j)
You guys always lose in the end.
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 05:34 PM (t1NLo)
Well, you guys lost Slavery and the Holocaust, but you are trying to make up for it with all the baby murder and sodomy that you've engendered ever since.
Reagan fired Patco.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 02:24 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 02:24 PM (3Y7RV)
Gingrich, I believe, would have fought harder and much dirtier. Buit he has tons of his own baggage, as well as some loopy ideas.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 12, 2012 05:59 PM (YmPwQ
Agree on both counts. It was difficult/ tricky enough for Romney and the GOP to distance themselves from Akin (without pissing of socons, no thanks to shit stirrers like Fuckabee). And then have to explain/ rationalize/ apologize for Mourdock. Santorum + Akin + Mourdock would = TOTAL CLUSTERFUCK. The MSM would've been on the "War on Women and Gays" meme x10000000000000.
Agree on Newt. He would have fought harder and dirtier; but his baggage was just too much. (The Obama campaign resorted to "Romney killed a woman with cancer." Imagine what they would've done with Newt's real baggage.)
By the way, I do think Romney fought "hard"-- i.e. I think he put in more than 100% effort to win this. But he didn't go as negative as he should have. He calculated-- with some reason-- that the MSM would turn hard-hitting negative attacks against him; whereas they'd aid/ abet/ ignore Obama's.
Finally, I'm with Aslan's Girl on this point: I'm not yet convinced that, without fraud, Romney *didn't* win this. Many historians have by now concluded that the 1960 election was stolen by JFK. That's not paranoid conspiracy theory, that's history. (Cf. Robert Caro.)
This election is over. But I hope future historians will investigate and analyze the results with due diligence. I wouldn't be surprised. If one Dem Golden Boy got away with it, the second Dem Golden Boy could do just the same.
Posted by: lael at November 12, 2012 02:24 PM (tUcg9)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 02:24 PM (X3lox)
Cotton is a freshman. He hasn't even been sworn in yet.
I think that Prescient11 is a 19-year-old who worked on Cotton's election campaign and has a crush on him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 02:25 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:25 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 02:25 PM (FcR7P)
I don't know where your Tom Cotton obsession comes from, but 35 year old first term House member isn't going to get elected. Period.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 02:25 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 02:26 PM (40anC)
Posted by: Ronin at November 12, 2012 02:26 PM (AzwZn)
Nevergiveup,
WILL DO!!!
I am just frustrated beyond belief that we cannot look at the exit polling data and figure this out.
Anyone who says Michelle Bachmann or Santorum or Huckster is a viable candidate should be fucking shot.
Who have we seen that inspires leadership.
Jeb Bush is dead, do I need to say why.
Any video of Rubio debating?
But I'll say this, his speech at the convention was amazing. That kind of inspiration is what is sorely lacking at the party level.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 02:26 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: t-bird at November 12, 2012 02:27 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: jakeman at November 12, 2012 02:27 PM (96M6e)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 12, 2012 06:06 PM (wR+pz)
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Damn, that's brutal.
Sorry for your losses, Billy Bob.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 02:28 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Don't Follow Me on Twitter at November 12, 2012 02:28 PM (S3rrR)
If enough of us do that, a message WILL be received.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 12, 2012 05:52 PM (ymG7s)
Good point. I told the gal on the line why. I need to tell her boss. In writing.
Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 02:28 PM (lkjWK)
And yet the FBI took the case of Jill Kelley. Seems like her and hubby like hanging around TOP military officers down in Tampa.
It sounds like the Kelleys had a personal friend in the FBI who pushed this whole thing through.
Posted by: Alex at November 12, 2012 02:28 PM (3x3F6)
Take a look at France. Or Spain. Or, for the final convulsion, Greece.
It doesn't work out that way. The voters just demand ever more free government cheese.
Posted by: cool breeze at November 12, 2012 02:28 PM (A+/8k)
It breaks my heart, really. He was such a sensible kid before he went to college. A devout Catholic. Now he's a lefty Catholic and an Obamabot.
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 02:28 PM (znT2j)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:28 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:25 PM (79ueO)
One step removed from a Rachel Corrie type.
The Dem. political machine in Arizona is not pleased. But....fuck 'em. They made this bed; let them sleep in it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 02:29 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: runninrebel at November 12, 2012 06:13 PM (J4gw3)
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Sadly, I agree. I thought I was way behind the curve when I left the party in 2007. Amazing that some still believe. They even call liberal Republicans RINOs, acting as if they are a minority to be shunned. Conservatives are the RINOs in the Republican party. Liberals/Moderates make up the majority of Republicans now.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 12, 2012 02:29 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 12, 2012 02:29 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Olaf at November 12, 2012 02:30 PM (t1NLo)
And by then he will be a Senator from Arkansas.
And he'll still be under the age of 40. No sale.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 12, 2012 02:30 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:30 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:30 PM (79ueO)
The machine may not be, but all of my libtard FB friends are thrilled. I am tempted to call them racists, but know that no good could come of that.
Posted by: jakeman at November 12, 2012 02:30 PM (96M6e)
Maybe Petraeus is like that.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (ICEh3)
Isn't that kind of gay?
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 02:31 PM (hl8SI)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:31 PM (uvzjj)
It cost $79. Where do I sign up to get my government check to pay for that? There will be a government check, right? I mean, I have a right to heat, and if someone else doesn't pay for it, then my access to that right is being denied.
This "being a lib" thing is going to be GREAT!
Posted by: Palandine at November 12, 2012 02:32 PM (g7D8V)
765 Never, ever commit to the crazy ones
uggggh, where was your words of wisdom about 13 years ago?
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 12, 2012 02:32 PM (/8JT8)
He would have fared much better.
Santorum? He was the ONLY one on the stage in the Ames debate to expressly disavow the 10th Amendment. The guy is a nationalist all day long, with no respect for state sovereignty.
Posted by: wooga at November 12, 2012 02:32 PM (vjyZP)
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We did watch Bammy like a hawk for 4 years. He got away with a lot of crap. We couldn't really stop anything. I don't think we'll be able to do any better the next 4. Crappola is going to rain down on us like the monsoons.
Posted by: Petraeus's wife at November 12, 2012 02:32 PM (lTVJy)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 02:32 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at November 12, 2012 02:32 PM (jucos)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 02:32 PM (wauE5)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:33 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Jerry Seinfeld at November 12, 2012 02:33 PM (cMdem)
The only response I have to reading what you write is a sort of mild embarrassment.
Posted by: Kensington at November 12, 2012 02:33 PM (znT2j)
Bring up those ballots from Nooo-gales, Juan!
Posted by: Aztlan Election Committee at November 12, 2012 02:34 PM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 12, 2012 02:34 PM (i7B17)
Posted by: JDTAY at November 12, 2012 05:56 PM (a0nis)
The college BBall program I'm interested in has an internet channel for 9.95 a month. I'll subscribe through March Madness. I can see the games that way. The only reason I had cable was for college BBall. My money goes directly to what I support, and Current TV, MSNBC, CNN ESPN and the like can go fuck themselves along with their god-king.
Posted by: Derak at November 12, 2012 02:34 PM (lkjWK)
Posted by: Redd at November 12, 2012 02:35 PM (YEG/L)
Hollowpoint and nevergiveup,
I'm not sure what you are talking about regarding age. Obama was elected as a not even one term community organizer senator from IL who was 46 when he was running.
Rubio will be 45 in 2016 and cotton will be 39.
What a fantastic young turnaround team for 2016.
Plenty of experience, a card that the dems have completely given up with obama.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 02:35 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 12, 2012 02:35 PM (27tUc)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 02:35 PM (40anC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:22 PM (79ueO)
He reminds me alot ofJaramiah wright gosh darn America. He liked his caps too.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 12, 2012 06:24 PM (3Y7RV)
Yep. If more than 10% of your posts contain multiple non-acronym words in ALL CAPS, you're being the guy at the bar who insists on yelling out everything.
And no one likes that guy. Even if they agree with him.
On the other hand italics are an elegant comment weapon for a more civilized age
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 12, 2012 02:36 PM (pAlYe)
Olaf, why do you keep ignoring my question? Does it scare you?
What is your share of the national debt?
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 02:36 PM (z9HTb)
Big Bird's bff Elmo is suspended for "inappropriate relations with a 16-year-old boy". Whether Sesame Street or Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, queer fellows make odd role models.
Posted by: The Kid at November 12, 2012 02:36 PM (BAnPT)
Some guys are attracted to women who resemble them.
Maybe Petraeus is like that.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 06:21 PM (ICEh3)
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Isn't that kind of gay?
Posted by: Long Island at November 12, 2012 06:31 PM (hl8SI)
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Not necessarily.
It could be more a case of...'being attracted to what looks familiar'.
There would be a familiarity in seeing features that resemble ones own features...like seeing a family member.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 02:37 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:37 PM (uvzjj)
.....a tranny:
http://tinyurl.com/6ol6mv
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2012 02:37 PM (UOM48)
But it all points to PAIN in our future. Math cannot be suspended.
FDR had a war to bail him out.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (MmH0Z)
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A global war is coming. We are re-living the 1930's; just instead of Nazis we have Islamofascists.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at November 12, 2012 02:38 PM (nYHk7)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:38 PM (79ueO)
Please sir....could I have my ampersand back?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 12, 2012 02:38 PM (GsoHv)
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That's not really the perspective. The idea is that the Progressive State is failing all over the western world because it is an obsolete system. So the perspective has that as a premise: that the Progressive State will fail.
With that premise, the focus become supporting alternate systems that already exist and creating new systems that will replace the State when it fails.
Now, how it fails is unknown. It may be a smooth transition or it may be less than optimal. But if you believe it will fail then you should be prepared for the transition. Let the moochers wail and cry for the scraps, we should start building what comes next.
And we should do whatever we can to hasten the failure. To my mind that mostly means supporting the alternate systems, but it also means withdrawing support for the Statist systems, which is certainly not limited to but does include voting.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 12, 2012 02:38 PM (J4gw3)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:38 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 02:39 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 02:39 PM (40anC)
Yeah well it's gonna be a bright sunny day....
in some US port city at 230am real soon.
"forward"
Got an hour and a half maybe...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 02:40 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Cricket at November 12, 2012 02:41 PM (2ArJQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:41 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Jaimo at November 12, 2012 02:41 PM (/10HE)
it also means while we still can, communicating and trying to coagulate and keep red enclaves red.
best case we split, worst case we try to slow the impact velocity.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 02:42 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jimmy at November 12, 2012 02:42 PM (Gk5QE)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 02:42 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:42 PM (79ueO)
Well, why didn't you say so?
Please, yell louder.
Posted by: fluffy at November 12, 2012 02:42 PM (z9HTb)
t-bird:
I read your post and laughed, but we all know the truth. Only the freaks buy those arguments. And if they are relegated to capturing the freaks, SO BE IT!!!
After 9-11, any rational man wanted to join up, even though most of us did not. All the lefties have would just fall away, and the only freaks that would listen to it are, well, freaks.
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 02:42 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 02:43 PM (40anC)
It doesn't IMHO.
You should run to texas. I finally got some sleep. Keep the red red and start making armor for the free market capitalists system being the new "jew." Team we're gonna be oppressed soon.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 02:43 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:43 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 06:12 PM (79ueO)
Black women have real difficulty getting a Permanent husband. They really HATE white women who get one of their potential mates. Strangely, Black men look at white women as a trophy, and many if not most of them would rather have a white woman.
It's like a status symbol or something.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 02:44 PM (R9579)
The faster the collapse, the faster we get on to building what replaces the USA. I'd rather see 20 "fast" years of chaos and realignment, than 70 years of Soviet rule.
Posted by: The KGB at November 12, 2012 02:45 PM (W1HcZ)
Amen, we'll ride the bitch in if we can but by God I am about to get to be a lot less of a spender, and when the time comes a lot less of an earner.
"Forward"
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 02:45 PM (LRFds)
However, you couldn't do it without expelling all the moochers...and then keeping any from moving in. good luck with that part.
Posted by: Palandine at November 12, 2012 02:46 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:46 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:46 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 02:47 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:47 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 12, 2012 02:48 PM (27tUc)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 02:48 PM (40anC)
I distrust anyone who starts in with this "next time, we gotta have xxxx xxxxxxx for a candidate eleventy!!11!! bullshit. I don't care who the Projected Upcoming Winner is; the notion that said candidate's image, beliefs and attributes will remain static for four years is nonsense.
When everyone was butthurt about McCain, we heard all about the "fact" that Teh SARAHCUUUDAAAA!!11!! would sweep the party into the White House in '12. Later, it was Jindal and Rubio who should be Anointed.
Frankly all that smells too much like Choom Boy-worship to me. It's as disgusting when we do it as it is for the friggin' libs.
Give it six months and see who actually starts to work for the presidency. Then, we can look at his/her record and start considering them.
Well, as long as it's not Santorum or the never-popular T-Paw, anyway.
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 12, 2012 02:48 PM (yKUrR)
"She must be MI, they always had the biggest sluts."
Alex, actually that honor would belong to females in the military medical fields...although Intel does come a very close second.
Posted by: Icedog at November 12, 2012 02:48 PM (PTS+l)
How do we come back and win:
1) The base, the real base needs to drive what candidates we end up with. I mean, putting aside all preconceived notions, was anyone watching the primary debates and didn't come away with the conclusion that Mitt was the ONLY ONE ON STAGE THAT COULD FUCKING TALK. Others had moments, but clearly he was head and shoulders above the rest, and I didn't like Mitt, he wasn't my first choice but when I saw everyone on stage I was like WTF happened??;
2) We need to limit primary debates and thus damage to candidates;
3) We need to be offensive in advertising and attack any message to define our candidate IMMEDIATELY after the primary; and
4) FOR FUCK'S SAKE, CAN WE GET TOGETHER AND ORGANIZE A GOTV EFFORT IN THE 10 STATES THAT FUCKING REALLY MATTER???????????
Orca, whatever the fuck. Just give me the fucking voter lists and I'll take care of the rest. FUCK.
$5M per state and 10MM in the big ones would lock this the fuck up if I were in charge of this shit. How fucking stupid can they be. Fuck orca, fuck gnarwhat, I'll just call it VANS and PHONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Prescient11 at November 12, 2012 02:49 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:49 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 02:49 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 02:49 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: avi at November 12, 2012 06:20 PM (40anC)
I took him to be referring to conservatives in General. The Orthodox are our allies, and they are taking New York! Other conservative demographics are also raising large families, but I had just read an article about the Orthodox in New York, and thought it was appropriate to point it out.
Given that he is a Liberal, I figure there was a fair chance he was from that Area. Nothing would piss him off more than to think he is about to be surrounded by people like us.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 02:50 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Chrissy Mathews at November 12, 2012 02:50 PM (9MmIU)
Secession, while awesome, won't work. That's not to say I'm not looking into my own personal secession, but it won't work statewide without mas expulsions.
Posted by: Palandine at November 12, 2012 02:51 PM (g7D8V)
Love that, and knowing someone like you is shaping young minds to think for themselves. What do you teach?
Posted by: LizLem at November 12, 2012 02:51 PM (8wqqE)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:51 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 02:51 PM (wauE5)
844...But most people rarely see their own features. They see everyone else's features the bulk of the time, unless they spend hours staring at a mirror or looking at pictures of themselves or watching themselves on TV.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 06:42 PM (X3lox)
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Men see their faces when shaving in front of a mirror.
Petraeus has probably seen himself on TV a lot in recent years.
All I'm saying is...Broadwell looks like she could be related to Petraeus.
And I've seen this happen before...guys being attracted to girls who have similar facial features.
Posted by: wheatie at November 12, 2012 02:52 PM (ICEh3)
Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 02:52 PM (79EF9)
"....many if not most of them would rather have a white woman.
It's like a status symbol or something."
Reminds me of Damon Wayans' bit about a brother picking up a white woman at the special olympics...and thinking he has "struck gold!" He manages to offend 80% of the population in less than a minute, so you know it's funny.
Posted by: Icedog at November 12, 2012 02:53 PM (PTS+l)
Indeed. Doesn't stop the rhetoric of our being "monsters who want da folk poor" though.
Abolsih the minimum wage and UE3 and 6 fall through the floor.
We are being made rich serfs beholden to Uncle Sugar as pie cutter....O doesn't give a fuck about good natural growth and he ain't gonna make the poor more rich he is gonna bleed them down.
Fuck it let it burn, they wanted it?
You can have it all.
They cannot take it if you will not make it.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 02:53 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 02:54 PM (X3lox)
The Sierra Club is stealing about a quadrillion dollars worth of the people's wealth potential.
Plain enough for you?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 02:54 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 02:55 PM (uvzjj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 02:55 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 02:56 PM (40anC)
How does that saying go, when you're a lady over a certain age you can either choose to have an attractive face or butt, but you can't have both. Not that people don't spend billions each year trying.
Posted by: LizLem at November 12, 2012 02:57 PM (8wqqE)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 12, 2012 02:58 PM (BF5Y9)
Easy brother amen.
The Nuclear rocket Sled Bush flew makes him a man in my book. If vets turn on each other hard we're fucked.
Guys, guys the national Guard carried plenty of this fucked up who cares really elect the "not a muslim" Jihadi Watch war we're in.
Collapse in form ranks dress it right cover down 40 inches all around boys.
It's gonna get sporty and we have folk to teach if it comes to that no blue on blue PLEASE?!?
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 02:58 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 02:58 PM (40anC)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 12, 2012 02:59 PM (X3lox)
Posted by: chris at November 12, 2012 02:59 PM (Q1oH7)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 12, 2012 06:02 PM (uvzjj)
Gotta disagree. This year it was MASSIVE. In fact, more than they meant to.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 12, 2012 03:00 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 03:01 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 03:01 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 03:03 PM (40anC)
Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at November 12, 2012 03:04 PM (27tUc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2012 03:05 PM (79ueO)
What we Orthos do is spend what hasnt been taxed and send our kids to Yeshiva to escape the Heather has twwo Mommies and condoms on cucumber classes.
Christians and other religious have to do the same
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 06:56 PM (40anC)
I think most people of a conservative mind set are aware of the problems associated with public schools. In my own experience, the problems are not just the schools, but mostly what the children who go there have or have not been taught by their parents at home.
Certainly much of the bad behavior I have seen should have been excised in the home. I think the influence of the schools can be overcome if the parents work to counteract it.
In any case, i'm in favor of school vouchers, and low cost degrees, such as the $10,000.00 Degree (mostly online education) which is currently being discussed in Texas. If we can screw their acquisition of new students, we can screw their influence.
Democratize Education!
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 12, 2012 03:05 PM (R9579)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 03:06 PM (40anC)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 12, 2012 03:07 PM (MmH0Z)
Posted by: jimi ray at November 12, 2012 03:07 PM (79EF9)
Posted by: Avi at November 12, 2012 03:08 PM (40anC)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 12, 2012 03:09 PM (F0o5k)
Yeah I guess hey jimi...how many "evil Xian Rethuglican roolz' you ever seen me post back when I was hammering 3000 a week?
How many times you seen me hypocritically use gays to paint anyone as anything and then not even a week after the election say 'hey it is a state's rights' matter'...?
You are about to get nailed in cost of living by more magic pen regulatory fiat games for the Malthusian Death Cult's weather gods....
have fun.
I will.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 03:10 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Dante at November 12, 2012 03:11 PM (NWLVJ)
There's some math involved.
Bush/Boehner/Mcconnell never spent as much as Granny McRictus until Pothead was in charge.
I am not gonna link to charts anymore, if you think my hitting you with a roofing hammer feels just like my buddy here nailing you with a 25 pound sledge hammer it is not my problem anymore.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 03:12 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Nate at November 12, 2012 03:13 PM (BBlzg)
You're gonna love what I want for new texas then...
abolish the INS anyone can run period.....
the voter must know who a man is not rely on some magical idea that EVERY American thinks 'x' an "Ameican" communist got reelected on the revenge platform...
I'd rather elect a new delhi street urchin who believes in Adam Smith no offense.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 03:13 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 03:17 PM (SKX2R)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 12, 2012 03:18 PM (wauE5)
bertomala | Nov 12, 2012 07:17 PM ETTHE RICH NEED TO PAY MORE ITS THAT SIMPLE.
SOME MILLIONAIRS ARE BEGGING TO PAY MORE, WHY DONT THE REPUBLICANS AGREE?
I KNOW, BECAUSE THEY ARE ARROGANT SOBs. and hate to obey and reason with anyone but themselfs...
Posted by: Timwi at November 12, 2012 03:20 PM (pdhxN)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 03:21 PM (SKX2R)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 12, 2012 03:23 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 03:25 PM (SKX2R)
Posted by: entropy at November 12, 2012 03:41 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: entropy at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 03:42 PM (SKX2R)
Anyone who propagandizes that those with faith in God are the real danger to the Republic are simple water-boys for the commie left.
Who do you think built this free nation?
Would you rather have a nation of people who worship God (who has no earthly power), or a nation of people who worship the State?
A State that has the power to steal your property and livelihood, that can kill and imprison you?
Where in the hell has Communism EVER worked???
Posted by: Pam at November 12, 2012 03:45 PM (cgrL5)
Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 12, 2012 03:47 PM (SKX2R)
Posted by: CarolT at November 12, 2012 03:49 PM (s0f54)
Posted by: sdavis at November 12, 2012 03:59 PM (njVMI)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 12, 2012 04:03 PM (8cOY0)
Posted by: BuddyPC at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (jfUIE)
Posted by: Arizona Patriot at November 12, 2012 04:11 PM (EMC8A)
Posted by: votermom at November 12, 2012 04:16 PM (qZbAy)
Of course the country is changing its demographics, it always has, always will, and we have not been ignorant to that fact.
Nor were the Founders, who knew you cannot have a nation free of the tyranny of the State without citizens who lived by a basic moral code.
Just because the commie libs want to vote and live by tribal laws, balkanization, or secularization, does not mean we have to agree and turn on our fellow Americans of faith, and tell them that to worship a virgin birth, or a higher being, is out of fashion, anti-science, or even sillier.....somehow dangerous.
FGS, God worship is not the problem here.....State worship is!
Posted by: Pam at November 12, 2012 04:17 PM (cgrL5)
Posted by: Conan at November 12, 2012 04:20 PM (czc1S)
Amen. We will all either allow ourselves to form a rank or we won't.
If we don't it is a short drop to our future.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 04:30 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: someguy at November 12, 2012 04:34 PM (sEXZ/)
Posted by: Fresh at November 12, 2012 04:37 PM (O7ksG)
If you have to ask that then it's your right but frankly it explains a lot about why the wheels are flying off the wagon so well.
(and I know you are being rhetorical I mean no personal offense)
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 04:37 PM (LRFds)
the problem is I think we may finally be at the point that too many like swimming in shit.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 12, 2012 04:39 PM (LRFds)
Agree with the depression, but the best solution is to prepare.
In addition to the election, one may want to see the problems folks on Long and Statin Island are still having 2 weeks after the photo-op. I mean storm. FEMA may not be there for you in the event of a natural disaster.
Prepare a "bug out" bag, in the event of emergency. Stock it with 3 days worth of water, food, shelter and some means of making fire. You can get quite elaborate, but it is recommended that you limit your bag to what you can carry.
If you're wrong and the world survives, you still have some decent camping stuff.
Posted by: Ben at November 12, 2012 04:48 PM (gteXL)
This is probably true, especially in areas that are mainly Republican. The EPA really does not want anyone but rich folks to have access to the water.
Do we really not have a single, slick talking, charismatic candidate? If not, then we need to embrace the isolationist side. There's no way you can say that it's the second coming of GWB if we are opposed to any more of these little adventures. Pick the bureaucratic stuff that people hate and run against that. Part of the reason unemployment benefits/food stamps are more acceptable is because you can do that stuff online. It's not like the old days when you had to sit in some miserable state office to get stuff. Find the stuff that makes people crazy and offer a way to fix it.
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 12, 2012 04:53 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Jimmy at November 12, 2012 05:31 PM (Gk5QE)
"I say, as I reasoned thus, there were times when I dreaded the truce more than I now dread war."
Posted by: Yenober at November 12, 2012 06:03 PM (6bVkc)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 12, 2012 10:26 PM (21TJo)
Posted by: KM at November 12, 2012 10:52 PM (8I6vf)
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Posted by: Rusty Nail at November 13, 2012 12:44 AM (WWuYG)
Posted by: doubleM at November 13, 2012 01:51 AM (AFoum)
Wall street bankers didn't crash the economy.
Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 02:14 AM (O7ksG)
Double M - The phone program was to help low income folks get free basic land lines.
Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 02:15 AM (O7ksG)
Obama's deficit spending is more that all previous administrations.
Bush did not get into the trillions.
Obama is the first president to get us into the trillions. multiple trillions.
Posted by: Fresh at November 13, 2012 02:16 AM (O7ksG)
The issues regarding abortion and global warming are not demagogy.
Hillary Clinton has touted that abortions "should be legal, safe, and rare".
Rare? Are you kidding me? Who is spouting demagogy? There have been 40 million abortions in the past forty years. One million are aborted every year. Germany disallows abortions past the first trimester, but in America partial birth abortions, infanticide, continue without a shred of moral outrage from the left. The left spouts platitudes and then moves on without a moment of self-reflection.
Global warming as advocated by the idiots on the left is bad science, utterly lacking in critical thinking. A smart kid in junior high school could poke holes into the premise. There have been huge fluctuations in climate over the past million years, prior to the industrialized age. What was the driver for climate change before man started burning fossil fuels? Did temperatures rise and cool by magic? Or was there some agent at work. To prove global warming you have to name that agent, and then explain why the introduction of carbon neutralized it and made it go away, and why CO2 replaced it. You then have to explain why CO2 is doing such a crappy job over the past sixteen years.
These are pretty simple questions that global warmists not only can't answer but don't even acknowledge as valid.
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at November 13, 2012 04:18 AM (0b17P)
I don't know why we don't ask democrats - point -blank - over and over-
ARE YOU OK WITH KILLING A BABY THAT CAN LIVE OUTSIDE THE WOMB?
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