1 I think the blog broke.

2 Spade

3

I found Perry's statement refreshing.  Turkey is turning towards the dark side and have been.  Remember, Perry said, he didn't say outright that Turkey should be excluded from NATO, BUT that the discussion should be had amongst the member states.

Turkey is offended?  Screw Turkey for what they did to the 4thID.  A lot of what went wrong in Iraq early on was because of that bulls**t.

4 The AP is now hiring Daily Kos rejects to write its copy.

5 the U.S. has no time to waste with candidates "who do not even know their allies." We are The Muslim Brotherhood and we approve this message.

6 Yeah...our 'ally' that told us "uh...go around us into Iraq."  With friends like these....

7 As far as I'm concerned, what Perry said about Turkey is spot on. More Islamist every day. Screw them and their ilk. But their Ilk may well include England soon, and to them I will say screw you too, when the takeover is far enough along.

8 Enough jive, Turkey.

9 We should just sic the Greeks on them.  Thin their numbers a little.

10 We didn't know...

11 OK, then - day 2 of the Perry administration, greenlight coup in Turkey.

12 Yeah...our 'ally' that told us "uh...go around us into Iraq."  With friends like these...

Word up.

France is a more reliable ally.

13 When I read Ace's headline, I pictured Perry out hunting and a wild turkey shot back at him.

14 Perry's only Turkey mistake is that he likes a side of cranberry sauce.  Blecch!

15 Yeah, I thought his addressing of the "Turkey problem" was unhelpful.

But what do you expect from the guy in 3rd place in his own state, Texas?

16

Still and all, that doesn't make them terrorists, and even if it did, one should deploy that word more carefully than Perry did.

This great moment in diplomatic relations was brought to you by Rick Perry - the smart Texan.  Make sure to pick up your Rick Perry at a Winn Dixie near you.

17
What a stupid name for a country.

18
Ham.

19 I thought they meant the actual bird and this was an Onion article.

20 You would think the former Ottoman Empire would be a little more relaxed.

21 i, for one, think it would be refreshing to have a President who called things as they are, not how the bed wetters in the State Department and the MFM want them to be.

if the head bangers in Turkey are butt hurt over being called terrorist supporters, maybe they should stop supporting terrorists.
|
they won't though: that's what moose slimes do.

22 Erdogan considers himself an allie?

23

a little capicol...

and some bruh-joot

24 So Turkey has a thin skin like Obama? Turkey. Obama. I'm not seeing the connection.

25 2 Spade

Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2012 01:33 PM (WkuV6)

Forgot to denounce yourself.

26
buncha salamis

27 re my 22#
Perhaps it was impolite to admit.

28 Turkey. Obama.

I'm not seeing the connection.

We don't bend over around either of them, IYKWIMAITYD.

29 What a stupid name for a country.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 17, 2012 01:38 PM (sqkOB)

I prefer Footrestistan.

30 BEAT ON THE BRAT

31
"turkey" used to be a serious insult

"jive turkey" is what the blacks used to say when they thought very little of you

32 The Soviet Union and the AP didn't like Reagan calling them the Evil Empire either. Sometimes the truth hurts.

33 Obama 2012: because black democrat Presidents don't get blame for a shitty economy, that's Republicans in Congress's fault.

34 Perry won't win points with diplo-speak. At this stage he has to be the guy who "tells it like it is". Only the frontrunner can pussyfoot about non-ally allies.

I'm glad he called them out.  About damned time somebody noticed.

35 I prefer Footrestistan.

I prefer Forestistan. I think I'll put out an EO for the name change.

36 I am shocked, SHOCKED, that the Ziombies are making fools of themselves once again.

37 If our leaders say something that pisses off those muslham countries in the middle east, they must've said something right.

That's my view.....and I'm sticking to it.

38 Yeah Erdogan has been a peaceful not problematic allie. Flotilla raids, chumming up to Islamists

39 We love Al Qaeda. They do not kill people who do not support them. This is a myth.

40 Sorry I'm not a pussy.

41

Piss on them.

42 If Perry were still a credible candidate, I'd happily overlook this minor blunder. Fortunately, accidental over-honesty is not a mistake I'm worried about from the front-runners.

43 As soon as Turkey turns totally backward (Sharia law etc) they can become just another Shitholistan. And they wanted to join Europe. What need is there? After all, Europe is trying to join them.

44 I like my Turkey on Rye. Lettuce, tomato and a little smeckle of mayo. Get me a sammich, Eargon, or whatever bumfuck ya name be....

45 Footstoolistan?  Because you must be careful what you step in.

46 Enough jive, Turkey.

Posted by: nickless at January 17, 2012 01:35 PM (v+btV)

That comment would've carried a lot more weight were you to sock Jimmie 'JJ' Walker or somesuch.

Just a thought.

47 Snowing like a bitch here now. We are supposed to get up to 14" in Seattle.

48
MST3K's Riding With Death is my favorite.

Ben Murphy: "Who are those turkeys?"

(I can tell you many turkeys it will take to fill a space.)

49 Mr. ErdoganÂ’s veiled threats to take action against joint efforts by Israel and Cyprus over gas exploration in the eastern Mediterranean did elicit a response from Demetris Christofias, the president of Cyprus, divided into hostile Turkish and Greek halves.

so Has Turkey's erdogan joined Islamists with HJostile behavior and action , with the flotilla raid etc..

50 47 Snowing like a bitch here now. We are supposed to get up to 14" in Seattle.

Posted by: robtr at January 17, 2012 01:46 PM (MtwBb)

You and AK got everybody else's snow.

51
...and let's go to the turkey database, wwwgobblegobblecom...

52 47 Snowing like a bitch here now. We are supposed to get up to 14" in Seattle.

Posted by: robtr at January 17, 2012 01:46 PM (MtwBb)

Rowr, I'm flying up there tonight! Pack my sword, love...

53
Turrrrkeyyyyys, ho!

54

Snowing like a bitch here now.

 

Yeah, they are calling for multiple feet (at altitude) come Thursday Morning.

55 We like the mealy mouthed American leaders who are afraid to tell the truth.

56 Anyone remember Desert Storm? Started today...

57

We like the mealy mouthed American leaders who are afraid to tell the truth.

Posted by: Hamas at January 17, 2012 01:48 PM (xgj/f)

You also like little boys who don't scream too much. 

That doesn't mean we should encourage it.

58 Turkey with Erdogan isn't the allie we used to enjoy as a  partner.

59 I thought this post was going to be about one of you morons trying to fry a turkey at a party with Perry.

60

Anyone remember Desert Storm? Started today...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 17, 2012 01:48 PM (136wp)

Yep.  Had the 20th year reunion of my old ODS tank battalion last June.

It was a better time than the Battle of Norfolk.

61 Fuck Turkey.


Guess I can't run for president.

62 Everything Perry said is 100% true, but as a candidate for President he really should be more circumspect. He could have blasted Turkey just as much without using such incendiary words. Oh and fuck Turkey

63 Rick Perry's response? He likes his turkey fried with plenty of dressing on the side.

64 Speaking of Turkey, Ben Murphy, "Riding With Death", MST3K

http://tinyurl.com/6nf9tdl

65 Lotta turkey fuckers around here.....

66
Am I to understand that AP believes that any "pious Muslim" will, if he's honoring his religion, therefore be an Islamist?

In which case, al Propaganda understands Islamicism very well. Better than many of our leaders.

67 Oh sorry I said fuck Turkey, I meant piss on Turkey

68
I could watch Riding With Death once a week.

69

Muz nations are all the same.  If you are the life line of the ruling elite, they'll serve you.  Otherwise, they'll smile to your face while sticking a knife in your back.  As go the individuals, so goes the nation.  And lest some think me racist, let's not forget what Churchill said about the Germans - the Hun is always at your throat, or on his knees.  This also appears to be largely true. 

It is about time that the leadership of the US make comments to make these false friends of ours take notice.  They think they have us fooled.  I don't see how it's in our interests to continue letting them believe that.

 

70 Next thing you know, Perry will say something about invading Pakistan.

71 Who needs Turkey when we got a Chicken for nuthin' in the WH.

72

This is a problem for which I haven't been able to find a solution, namely, how do you balance wanting to present a solid American front to the world while simultaneously making valid attacks on the opposition's stance?  Politics stops at the water's edge doesn't mean sit down and shut up but on the other hand there are ways to go about being critical without looking like a house divided.   Hell if I know exactly how to balance that though.

This also brings up what I think is the most hilarious feature of American politics.  The American voters seem to want a governor who has extensive foreign policy experience.  That is a tiny tiny bit problematic.

73 Didn't Turkey let a guy off on murder charges a few years ago because "it was his religious duty" to kill infidels?

74 Bend over alQaida- And we'll gobble gobble gobble!

75

That is a tiny tiny bit problematic.

Posted by: alexthechick at January 17, 2012 01:56 PM (VtjlW)

Pffft.  No it isn't!  Ask Saint Sarah!

76 Ottoman Empire? What was this? An empire based on putting up your feet?

77

Wow.  Rick Perry didn't even know who Fethullah Gulen was last year.  It appears Rick's up to speed on the Sufi soft-sell now...and probably a few more Islamic issues plaguing his state. 

What's in *your* Charter School?

78 You see?!  You see!?  This proves he's a secret Muslim!

79 Posted by: alexthechick


Don't be so thinky.

80

This also brings up what I think is the most hilarious feature of American politics. The American voters seem to want a governor who has extensive foreign policy experience. That is a tiny tiny bit problematic.

Posted by: alexthechick at January 17, 2012 01:56 PM (VtjlW)

Then how did we get the dick drip we have now?

Seems to me all you need for 52% or so is the right flavor of bullshit presented in an attractive package. Like a turd pile with a sprig of mint on the side.

81 Islam is a religion of peace. We must not blame the Muslims for wanting to kill any non-believers. They will leave us alone if we don't say anything bad about them.

82

Ottoman Empire? What was this? An empire based on putting up your feet?
Posted by: Jerry Seinfeld at January 17, 2012 01:59 PM (Br7O6)

Maybe you can import them.  Or export them.  Or import-export them

83

I could watch Riding With Death once a week.

is that one on DVD?

84

The real question is what purpose does NATO serve?  And how is that purpose served by having Turkey in the alliance?  I'm not sure what the answer is to either of those questions, just that Turkey does occupy premium real estate in the geopolitical world. Still the basic question should be asked.  I don't think anyone had much of a problem with what Perry said.  Just who said it.  If Newt says the same thing - they more eloquently, many would applaud. 

Anyway, since the original purpose of NATO is no longer there, I wish someone would explain to me what strategic purpose it serves. 

85 Who needs Turkey when we got a Chicken for nuthin' in the WH.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 17, 2012 01:55 PM (ZJCDy)

For NUTHIN!!!???  That asshole has cost us a couple Trillion so far.....

86 @29 how 'bout "Hassockistan"?

87 Don't mess with Turkey. We have integrity. ... and we slice like a fuckin' hammer. _

88 and the guys get shirts.

89 Fucking shame on Rick Perry. How dare that son of a you know what dare to tell the truth. Off with his head.

90

As God is my witness, I thought Turkey could fly.

91 Perry was right in what he said. Unfortunately he did not say it the way a potential future President should have stated it. That said it's a very minor issue for me even if Perry becomes President. The real diplomacy is done out of sight.

92 I can see Mexico from my house.

93 When Turkey gives the Hagia Sophia back to the Catholic church I will believe them. Until then they are Muslim fanatics.

94 What a stupid name for a country.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 17, 2012 01:38 PM (sqkOB)

Like the excuse on why the koran doesn't mean what we think it means.......it doesn't translate well.

95

@82 "Maybe you can import them.  Or export them.  Or import-export them."

Nein...you can only import them.  Trust me on that.

96

is that one on DVD?

I dunno. But it's on yootoob.

97

Perry should try speaking like a real person just once, instead of always trying to sound like the tough talkin' Texan. 

That shit wore thin after week two.  Now he just sounds, ... well you know ... insecure and dim.

98 Shouldn't we be focusing on the problems of Black America?

99 Turkey is difficult for journalists to understand-even if Turkey is arresting it's own journalists for writing opinion. To understand Turkey and why it was more advanced than any of its neighbors-you have to understand and know- Kemal Ataturk. In fact to this day militant secularist are known in Turkey as Kemalists. The problem is that in most countries the military is associated with the negative. Ataturk alone could be one of the few case studies where one individual-made a huge difference politically. Ataturk understood that the religion of the sword had to be equally matched by a government -"of the sword". It's a concept that Western civilization finds foreign, but for decades it has been the Turkish military that preserved the leaps and bounds that Turkey made under Ataturk. ***** Now fast forward to today-the current regime has arrested over 1,000 of it's retired generals and active duty military, and journalists. Here is one stat: Half of all Turkish admirals and one out of ten active duty generals are currently in jail for plotting against the government, and on July 29 the military's chief of staff resigned over a disagreement with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan about staff promotions. The same day, the heads of the army, navy, and air force requested early retirement. (Foreign Affairs-Turkey's General Dilemma)

100 You mean the same Turkey that gets the vapors when ever anyone brings up that business of genocide?

Could we get them pissing Marines on a world tour?

101

I am so tired of mealy mouthed, side steppin, fence ridin, PC, bullshit that I can hardly SEE straight. When are we going to get over the KINDER GENTLER crap that only gets us laughed at and scolded by people who use it to diminish us, all the while taking our money. Wake up people, we need to use the terrorist word MORE not less and we need to quit apologizing for ANY of it!

102 The Hagia Sofia never belonged to the Catholic church.

103

The real diplomacy is done out of sight.

All the more reason for him not to have telegraphed how he would deal with them as President.

Because nothing would have given me greater joy than for Perry to have made some innocuous comments that he was "concerned" in public, all while bending them over the pool table in the back room.

 

104

The Hagia Sofia never belonged to the Roman Catholic church.

FIFY

Eastern Churches are still considered Catholic - at least by Rome.

105 It's pretty funny that Perry wants to cut foreign aid to Turkey. Turns out we don't give them any.

Turkey also just agreed to host a radar aimed at Iran. I guess we'll just scrap that too.

An Insurlyk Air Base, who needs that now that we're out of Iraq?

The question is whether Turkey has passed a point of no-return or not. I don't know, no one one does but I'm pretty sure turning our back on them isn't going to help bring them back around.

Perry is a dolt.

106 Ace, you and some others are showing your squishy, politically correct, northeastern mentality now. I'm all in favor of starting to call them fucking ducks. Remember what W said. If you support and give refuge to terrorists, then we'll consider you a terrorist. Those were the last days of having a national spine, I guess.

107 The real diplomacy is done out of sight. Overcharge!

108 Yeah, I thought his addressing of the "Turkey problem" was unhelpful.

Well, problem is, it's also unhelpful if noone can tell the truth about all of our enemies-pretending-to-be-allies because it's "unhelpful."

At this point I'm kinda have my doubts about Perry, but not because of this.

109

Half of all Turkish admirals and one out of ten active duty generals are currently in jail for plotting against the government, and on July 29 the military's chief of staff resigned over a disagreement with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan about staff promotions. The same day, the heads of the army, navy, and air force requested early retirement.

Thats good to know. By the time we have to fight them, the Islamists will have reduced the only respectable military (non Jewish) in the region to the same level of pathetic and incompetent uselessness as the rest of the Islamic world.

110 The question is whether Turkey has passed a point of no-return or not. I don't know, no one one does but I'm pretty sure turning our back on them isn't going to help bring them back around. Perry is a dolt. Posted by: DrewM. at January 17, 2012 02:10 PM (ehlWj) Every thing you said is very reasonable and rational. But we all know, in time, both Turkey and Egypt are lost causes and we better be making provisions for that.

111

Ace, you and some others are showing your squishy, politically correct, northeastern mentality now. I'm all in favor of starting to call them fucking ducks.

Has nothing to do with being PC.

It has more to do with Sun Tzu and "The Art of War."

112 Was it Krauthammer who said a Gaffe is when someone in Washington says something that everyone knows is true, but you aren't supposed to say?

113 "Turkey Fires Back at Perry"

I would have bet my house that this was going to be a "Man Bites Dog" post about 'what makes it news.' Maybe involving hunting. I'm disappointed.

114 Alo I can't find the transcript-but the question was about the murder of women in Turkey. I think they might have been asking about honor killings? Anyways-the uptick in honor killings under the new Islamic regime has been astronomical-reports are that honor killings have increased by 1400% This curent government has changed a function of one of the offices of the of government that was set up to protect women. It's something that Ataturk understood. Also it is believed that the current regime gained power by infiltrating the security forces of Turkey..I'm not sure about that -or how it transpired. But you add this to the many arrests of anyone criticizing this current regime and it is an Islamic government terrorizing it's own people. In fact-the current Turkish regime wants to extradite the Duchess of York for video taping what goes on in Turkish orphanages.

115 I was hoping to invade Constantinople. But then someone told me it was Istanbul, not Constantinople. In fact, it's been that way for a long time. So I figured what they do is nobody's business but the Turks.

116

I hate the American Cowboy types. They are too clean and have no secrets that I can exploit. I like this Obama. I can get what I want from him.

America should re-elect Obama if they know what is good for them. He knows better than to speak the truth.

117 The Hagia Sofia never belonged to the Catholic church.

It belonged to the Roman Christians which became the Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. Either one will suffice.

118

Perry is a dolt.
Posted by: DrewM. at January 17, 2012 02:10 PM (ehlWj)

Romneybot!  RINO!  Hater! 

God, all that ace and the cob-loggers do is stick up for Romney, it's sickening how all of you hate on Rick Perry The One True Conservative and never have a single good thing to say about him.

 

 

119 >>Was it Krauthammer who said a Gaffe is when someone in Washington says something that everyone knows is true, but you aren't supposed to say?

It was lefty shmuck Michael Kinsley iirc.

120 Was it Krauthammer who said a Gaffe is when someone in Washington says something that everyone knows is true, but you aren't supposed to say? ***** This is it exactly. The press doesn't report this because they've surrendered the moral authority when it comes to Islamists abusing their won citizens plus it doesn't fit the narrative-0f how Obama gave a speech in Turkey and set the region on fire wtih Democracy. At the time-if most of you will recall the military showed up for the first time -to hear Obama's speech -because they had been boycotting the Parliament.

121

Was it Krauthammer who said a Gaffe is when someone in Washington says something that everyone knows is true, but you aren't supposed to say?

That's a Kinsley gaffe:  Accidentally telling the truth in public. 

122

One thing about that debate, I thought (and others can disagree) that Perry gave a very smart and effective answer on the border.  First by acknowledging the real reason why we have less people coming over to how to manage the border to understanding that the people want it secured.  Anyway, if Perry had stated this as articulately as he did last night, maybe it would have made a difference.  Instead, he made the you don't have a heart comment and let that define him on illegal immigration when his border security was alway smore practical than Ms. "Let's build two walls" Bachman, and Mr. "How about a moat - even though I'm kidding" Cain.  Just shows you how one slip of the tongue can hurt you I guess.

123 Look namby pamby's, sometimes you gotta strap on the sombr.......uh {{{{cough}}}a Stetson....and tell it like it is! Whether it be Turkey or evil capitalists, toes are gonna be stepped on in a Perry Administration!

124 So I figured what they do is nobody's business but the Turks.

Hey, you could write a song like that. Maybe we could get The Four Lads to cover it.

125 #111 I agree. Not backing your opponent into a corner unless that was your intention is also wise.

126 It's pretty funny that Perry wants to cut foreign aid to Turkey. Turns out we don't give them any.

Turkey also just agreed to host a radar aimed at Iran. I guess we'll just scrap that too.

An Insurlyk Air Base, who needs that now that we're out of Iraq?

The question is whether Turkey has passed a point of no-return or not. I don't know, no one one does but I'm pretty sure turning our back on them isn't going to help bring them back around.

Perry is a dolt.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 17, 2012 02:10 PM (ehlWj)

From the US State dept. website:

As part of the cooperative effort to further Turkish economic and military self-reliance, the United States has loaned and granted Turkey more than $7 billion in economic aid and more than $14 billion in military assistance over several years.

http://tinyurl.com/3jexvyq

127 maddogg at January 17, 2012 02:11 PM (OlN4e) **** They still have a force some 700,000 strong... Although-there is a Banana Theory of Revolts. When you have a problem with the generals-it isn't serious because they are your peer competition politically. The theory also says that if it's the immature lower ranks-that's to be expected because it's natural and due to inexperience they will not have organization or the needed skill sets to over throw a regime. However if it is the field grade-officers- you've got a problem. I suspect Turkey might have a problem.

128 As part of the cooperative effort to further Turkish economic and military self-reliance... We're giving them money so they can be self-reliant?Oh, it must be an investment (wink, wink).

129 Everyone knows welfare makes you self reliant.

130 Posted by: Tami at January 17, 2012 02:19 PM

Gee, that didn't take long.

131

Look, chumps, I couldn't find Turkey on a map of the world if you spotted me Iraq and Greece, but that doesn't matter right now.

What matters is that purging the Republican Party of all RINO GOP RINOs is far more important than worrying about foreign countries.  Since when do foreign countries have anything to do with American politics, geeks?  Was foreign policy an issue when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?  I think not. 

Perry is a RINO and a vaccine pusher.  I can't support him.  Nobody in my family will vote for him.  Besides, when flyboy Perry was in the Air Force I was busy inheriting a trust fund and since Ricardo Perry has been running the left-wing State of Taxes I've been a true and pure conservative hero, like Rush and Glenn and St. Sarah.

Palin-Angle-O'Donnell, '16. 

132 "this statement was ill-advised." "one should deploy that word more carefully" I wonder if that's all you could muster if Romney had suggested The Turkish govt was made up of Islamic terrorists? Wait, my bad, Perry wasn't saying that. He was just saying "many would perceive" that to be the case. Like a weasel.

133

Turkey also just agreed to host a radar aimed at Iran. I guess we'll just scrap that too.

They've also agreed to host our giant monolith of lead, to be placed at a site immediately between the radar and us.

Turkey.  They're givers.

134 Turkey is going to get really interesting like a heart attack.... First look at Turkey on a map-it gets worse from there.

135

China is a cheater. China cheats, cheats, cheats. Cheater cheater pumkin eater.

But Rick Perry is a dolt for speaking the truth about Turkey.

136 Perry may be making a comeback with the base.

Turkey's retort can only help.

137 Posted by: Tami at January 17, 2012 02:19 PM (X6akg)

The full context of that.....

U.S.-Turkish friendship dates to the late 18th century and was officially sealed by a treaty in 1830. The present close relationship began with the agreement of July 12, 1947, which implemented the Truman Doctrine. As part of the cooperative effort to further Turkish economic and military self-reliance, the United States has loaned and granted Turkey more than $7 billion in economic aid and more than $14 billion in military assistance over several years.

$7 billion over 64 years. Not sure when it ended but I don't think that number means what you think it means.

138 Speaking of which Turkey arrested their Commander of the Air Force. Good times, good times-can't remember where I read that-but you actually have to go to the Brit papers or India Times-our press are bust spreading the- Obama Set The Region on Fire-And Democracy Broke Out Everywhere!! mythology.

139 64 = "several" ?

I'd say more detailed info is necessary to draw a conclusion.

140

So if the other candidates avoid this topic, can we say they're Tur-duckin'?

*rimshot!*

141 Posted by: Sleepy at January 17, 2012 02:07 PM (A3zgF)


Uh, you've never lived in Texas, amiright?

Ever visited?

142 $7 billion over 64 years. Not sure when it ended but I don't think that number means what you think it means.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 17, 2012 02:29 PM (ehlWj)

Several = 64 years!?  Got it....

143 So if the other candidates avoid this topic, can we say they're Tur-duckin'? *rimshot!* ******* LOL! and Tur-duckin actually sucks you can't do that many things to birds and not dry them the hell out.

144 Tami,

According to this we give Turkey about 8 million in military aid, not traditional "foreign aid" like economic/development assistance.

145 Yeah, Perry looked fabulous on paper. Then he opened his mouth a bunch of times, and made me wonder how he ever got elected governor of one of the biggest states. Heck, even I would know better than to say some of the crap this guy says.

146 jem, don't spoil our fun and let out the secret that we only tawlk this whay whin'evur some o' 'dem owtsiders swing by...

147

The Turks aren't terrorists they way Wiener isn't homosexual.

Not terrorists, just . . . interested.

148

LOL! and Tur-duckin actually sucks you can't do that many things to birds and not dry them the hell out.

I still have nightmares from my first turduckening...

149

When Turkey told the 3rd ID to hit the road instead of allowing them to come into Iraq from the north, they showed their colors. I've read stuff on the Iraq invasion saying the fact Saddam didn't face the 3rd ID from the north allowed a good bit of time to finish setting up the insurgent forces that fired up after the capture of Baghdad.

F them with a rusty icepick. Perry was right on point with his comments.

150 Turkey isn't the quality of "friend" Pakistan is yet, but they are workin' on it.

151 Here's my problem with what Perry said...yes, Turkey is a problem. But Turkey is also very important. Perry's "fuck 'em" strategy feels good but unless you can explain to me how it helps to improve the situation, I'm going to say it's dumb.

Turkey was a secular nation for about 100 years. In the last 10 or so they've moved towards Islamism.

Do we just walk away from them and deal with those consequences or do we stay engaged and try to bring them back where and when we can?

Personally, I think we should be cold eyed about the situation but do what we can to influence. We're not at the walk away stage Perry seems to think we are or are close to.

152 @Emperor - they're just Al Qae-curious.

153

Cowboys who tell the truth will never be popular with the American people.

That is why the ratings for our show is in the crapper. Our next show will be about a Venture Capitalist who tells people what they want to hear. The people will love it!

154

Do we just walk away from them and deal with those consequences or do we stay engaged and try to bring them back where and when we can?

We have such a stellar track record with bringing Islamic countries back from Islamism, of course we should try. We have Iran and Egypt to use for examples. Good luck to us.

155 Here's the government site with real numbers:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7kmzb42

It's not billions anymore, but we still give money to Turkey.

156

I myself thought this statement was ill-advised. The president can't go around making incendiary comments; he's he chief diplomatic officer of the United States, after all. And a candidate for the job shouldn't either.

 

yeah, what kinda moron would say something like "...outlawed russia forever. we begin bombing in 5 minutes" or "...tear down this wall..." seems to me we use to admire pols that would call out evil when they saw it and not shrink and try to dance around it.

157 OOPS!  Sorry, reason! ;-)

I guess to some folks, Texas may as well be a foreign country.

158

IÂ’m still trying to figure out what Perry hoped to gain with the “send congress home to get a job” line.  HeÂ’s brought this part time congress idea up before to tepid applause, and it went over like a turd in the punchbowl last night.

Which one of his high-priced consultants told him to work that line into the debate?

159 #56 Remember it? Hell yeah. We (USS Francis Scott Key) rode that bitch across the Atlantic. It sucked, a lot.
That was when Turkey was an ally but they were still scared of Russia. Now they suck and Perry is right.

But we are going to nominate a mealy mouthed weathervane. 

We suck.

160

jwest at January 17, 2012 02:48 PM (FdndL)

 

i know!! what kinda conservative pushes ideas to limit the scope and reach of govt??!!1 the nerve of that guy

161 Perry told the truth here. And sometimes in diplomacy telling the truth is a good option.

162

i know!! what kinda conservative pushes ideas to limit the scope and reach of govt??!!1 the nerve of that guy

Posted by: chas at January 17, 2012 02:53 PM (TKF1Y)

 

YouÂ’re right.  We certainly donÂ’t need anyone full time to figure out how to spend 4 trillion a year. 

While weÂ’re at it, we should cut the pay too, so that nobody getÂ’s rich off of public service.

163 Perry can see the future - and will tell all..... Obama is fucking the future and won't say a damn thing. Once Romney fucks up everything some more - maybe people will wake up and say hey what was that Perry fellow saying in 2012????

164

I guess to some folks, Texas may as well be a foreign country.

I've lived here long enough to know the feeling is mutual!

165 LOL! @ reason

166 Ugh I can't believe that I'm now going to defend Rick Perry but here goes.   He's right the turkey he lived in is vastly different from even the turkey during the bush administration.  Sometimes you just have to call them as you see them.  The problem is we are so busy tripping over ourselves to be PC we are creating more of a mess than if we would concisely and directly address our friends and our enemies and the worst one, the frenemies.

167

jwest at January 17, 2012 02:57 PM (FdndL)

 

um, i was mocking you. i agree w/ perry and if you consider yourself a conservative you shouldnt be dinging him for trying to reduce the size of govt.

168 Perry calls them like he sees them, and is probably just plain too good for this country.

We get the government we deserve.  We seem to deserve a collapsing entitlement system and BSers we love for their slickness.

169 I keep kind of rooting for Perry then he goes and blurts out something like this. I think the reason is he knows he's perceived as weak on foreign affairs so when he holds a 7 card (instead of a 3) he think he's got an ace so he goes all in. It's a shame but Perry's destroyed his own campaign.

170 "

IÂ’m still trying to figure out what Perry hoped to gain with the “send congress home to get a job” line.  HeÂ’s brought this part time congress idea up before to tepid applause, and it went over like a turd in the punchbowl last night.

Which one of his high-priced consultants told him to work that line into the debate?

Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2012 02:48 PM (FdndL)"

What's your problem?

It's a coherent and constructive plan to help improve the way our government works.  By reducing the sessions, congress has to focus on fewer things.  They can't just pass a bazillion stupid bills.  And they are more accountable to the people.

This idea is one of the best plans for making DC work better... much better than anything most other conservatives have offered.  Ahem... including Sarah Palin, whom I'm a fan of.

171

 MaxMBJ at January 17, 2012 03:38 PM (deaac)

 

thats the first i've heard of anyone thinking perry is weak on foreign affairs. he's as strong as any of the others up there. turkey has shown they arent interested in being an ally. they are using us and aiding and abetting our enemies and the enemies of our allies. nothing wrong w/ calling out evil when you see it. its what reagan did and what we should encourage our leaders to do. you can stick your head in the sand and think that if we're nice to people they'll like us. ron paul will be glad to represent you and that worldview.

172 143  Uh, you've never lived in Texas, amiright?

Ever visited?
  I've visited Texas (Dallas, brother lives there) several times and served there briefly.   Point?  That Perry's not a swashbuckling dimwit? 

173 Sunny right now in Sequim. About six inches of snow on the ground.

Our trees will be self pruning if we get hit really hard in the next few days.

174 I guess Perry's strategy is to give the left enough material to sink anyone else who might get nominated.  Elect the man with the least baggage, nominate Perry!

175 Perry has been trying to win recognition by playing the tough-guy, the problem is it comes across that he is "playing," the tough guy. I don't think he needs to play anything and would do better to tell his handlers to up the shut fuck! Perry would probably be in the hunt IF, he had practiced debating skills and thinking on his feet. If he had put together a believable and compelling economic plan. To tell the truth I just do not think Perry has the native skills to play at this level, sorry, I like the guy and his Texas record, but we do not need a guy that is going to die in the Alamo, we need someone that is going to drag Obama into the Alamo and then kick his pathetic socialist America-hating ass. Once again the one that simply gets it as far as drawing a clear line and distinction is Gingrich, he once again showed that last night in his taking on the pathetic Leftist and pouty tool Juan Willams in not bowing to politically correct assumptions. He also is simply an encyclopedia of knowledge of current an past programs, and new ideas that are refreshing. People complain that we do not want a former government guy, but I think we want someone that knows government inside and out and was at one time the most successful change agent in Washington. Not glossing over his many problems, but I think this election will come down to who can draw the clearest image and distinction between what they will do, and what Obama has done. And they MUST be able to effectively articulate that message as the media will work overtime to obscure and lie about any distinction. Romney will already be handing the Press the ammunition or the coloring book to blur the distinctions between him and Obama. Romney just does not inspire anyone, we will plod to defeat in November if Romney is the candidate, O, it will be close, but after counting up all the dead-votes, the Dems will win.

176 152 Here's my problem with what Perry said...yes, Turkey is a problem. But Turkey is also very important. Perry's "fuck 'em" strategy feels good but unless you can explain to me how it helps to improve the situation, I'm going to say it's dumb.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 17, 2012 02:39 PM (ehlWj)   Here is how it helps: Instead of always hosting these "relationships" from a point of mammsy pammsy weakness, we start looking more like the friend you really need to have. Turkey scolding us for our candidates? Turkey choosing our candidates and how they should behave is what should be a problem to you. And until we start acting like the one on top in this world fuck fest, we will always get it doggy style.

177

 

It's a coherent and constructive plan to help improve the way our government works.  By reducing the sessions, congress has to focus on fewer things.  They can't just pass a bazillion stupid bills.  And they are more accountable to the people.

This idea is one of the best plans for making DC work better... much better than anything most other conservatives have offered.  Ahem... including Sarah Palin, whom I'm a fan of.

Posted by: Dustin at January 17, 2012 03:38 PM (8RL8E)

 

Au contraire, mon frère.  Advocating for a part time congress is an incoherent populous play that shows how desperate your boy Perry is.

It would take a full time congress working non-stop for years to work through every program and budget to pare down the behemoth we have now.  Only sudden and relentless reform can change what we have.  PerryÂ’s just too fucking stupid for the job.

178 @176  I have that same concern about Perry going up against the Chicago political machine.  It could be like bringing a knife to a militarized Department of Education raid.

179 Picture this: Dude is in court for having...um... intimate relations with a chicken in public. The judge notices Mr. Dude is doing something with his hands under the table.

Judge asks Mr. Dude's attorney, "Counselor, What is your client doing?"

Counselor says, "Masturbating, your Honor."

Judge says, "How can any one come into my court and engage in such behavior?"

"Can't explain it, your Honor, except to say my client has a turkey prior."

180 If everyone would quit letting the liberal media tell them what to think, Perry would be in first place. The MFM is either in love with Mittens or they know Perry could beat Obumbles and they are afraid of him.

181 #1 reason Turkey still has a chance: They watch Mexican soap operas more than a bed ridden Tia. Seriously, those shows are hot.

182 DrewM.:
Turkey was a secular nation for about 100 years.

Well, it had a secular government.

Do we just walk away from them and deal with those consequences or do we stay engaged and try to bring them back where and when we can?

Calling them out on their crimes is engaging them.  Their turn towards Islamism isn't some minor little detail.

183 Still and all, that doesn't make them terrorists, and...

You forgot "stiffed us at the beginning of the Iraq campaign when the 4th ID had initially planned on going into Iraq from the north".

184 Perry was right. The truth is hard to hear sometimes. People just aren't comfortable with inconvenient truths.