February 25, 2012
— DrewM Behold our "allies".
The Taliban claimed responsibility for the shootings, which it said were in retaliation for the desecration of the Korans at Bagram airfield. Afghan security sources said the two were a U.S. colonel and major with NATO forces.The Koran burnings have ignited anti-Western feelings in Afghanistan despite an apology from U.S. President Barack Obama and a call for restraint from Afghan leader Hamid Karzai.
Thousands have taken to the streets in protest. Twelve people were killed and dozens wounded on Friday, the bloodiest day yet in demonstrations.
An Afghan security source said the American officers were found dead with gunshot wounds deep inside the heavily fortified interior ministry.
"There is CCTV there and special locks. The killer would have had to have the highest security (clearance) to get to the room where they were killed," the source told Reuters.
NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) confirmed two of its servicemen had been killed in Kabul but declined to say if the shooter was a member of the Afghan security forces.
It's time to go.
We've been at war in Afghanistan for over a decade and have degraded al Qaeda's ability to use that country as a base from which to train and attack us. The battle has moved to other places such as Yemen and the Horn of Africa and we need to continue to focus on them.
We should move to a smaller footprint that enables special operations forces and CIA paramilitary types to kill key people when necessary. The days of tens of thousands of troops trying to create a civil society there simply must end. If these savages want a country run by Islamic fundamentalists again, they are welcome to it. As we pull out we should arm all the warring factions to the teeth. Let them spend all of their time killing each other.
Added: Via @slublog, Michael Ramirez sums up Obama's apology over the Koran burnings.
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In most religions isn't burning a considered a respectful method for disposing of icons and other religious items? (Provided the context of course that you aren't spitting on it and screaming profanities.)
It's also how you dispose of flags (again, context). So couldn't this have been "not that bad" depending on how it was done?
Posted by: tsrblke at February 25, 2012 09:18 AM (SYrwI)
Posted by: Max Wedge at February 25, 2012 09:19 AM (ASdeo)
Posted by: Ted K. at February 25, 2012 09:19 AM (9eWQR)
Bring them home. There's no mission to win there anymore, and SCOAMT wouldn't want to if there was. I used to believe that all people wanted to be free. They don't. The vast majority of Afghans want to live a tribal lifestyle where they can be killed at any moment for insufficient piety. Let them.
Simply bomb, rinse, and repeat if they engage in or export terrorism outside their borders again.
Fuck 'em and their book.
Posted by: Palandine at February 25, 2012 09:20 AM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Palandine at February 25, 2012 09:22 AM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Awlaki Obama at February 25, 2012 09:23 AM (eGt8m)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at February 25, 2012 09:24 AM (ubUGA)
Posted by: Fred Bundy at February 25, 2012 01:23 PM (D8ZDP)
Sounds good, but let me take care of the women first...
Posted by: Ted Bundy at February 25, 2012 09:25 AM (ASdeo)
The Islamic strain in that country is particularly foul. Good thing dear leader Obozo apologized for it and made the situation worse.
Posted by: whatever at February 25, 2012 09:25 AM (i/wm2)
Thanks to the Obama administration and their rules of engagement, this will make the US appear to have lost this war. This pisses me off. No doubt this was Obama's plan. He will please radical Islam as well as Cindy Sheehan in one swoop.
Bomb them to glass and then bring our boys home.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky loves Rubio at February 25, 2012 09:25 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Yokel Rabinovich at February 25, 2012 09:25 AM (eGt8m)
It's time to actually drop some bombs on these savages. A lesson needs to be seared into their hearts and minds.
Posted by: really ... at February 25, 2012 09:27 AM (X3lox)
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This. How often does appeasing the bully turn him into a well-behaved upstanding citizen? Never, in my experience.
Posted by: Retread at February 25, 2012 09:28 AM (joSBv)
Posted by: robtr at February 25, 2012 09:28 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 25, 2012 09:28 AM (Npzzl)
Okay, yes, they are also called ponds and rivers. May the fleas of a thousand donkeys infest your nether regions.
Posted by: abdul abdulabad at February 25, 2012 09:29 AM (6TB1Z)
The sad part is there are women and children in that country who are trying to break free from the tyrannical rule of the Islamic Taliban fist.
The Islamic world should apologize to US and to the people of Afghanistan, and to everyone.
Posted by: whatever at February 25, 2012 09:30 AM (i/wm2)
Pakistan's ISI will help the Taliban regain control. We are fighting the wrong enemy.
Our policy over there is equvalent to making war on bankers by killing only tellers, and the occasional branch manager.
Plus, is there any piece of our stealth tech we haven't handed to the muzzies, and therefore the Chinese, this last year?
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 09:31 AM (mP3uM)
- but in his defence, no-one in a position of authority in the GOP does either.
I don't even think Obama much cares. It's the neocons who are dead set on exporting shari`a democracy abroad; it's fools like McCain. And, no: I don't mean "neocon" as code for "Jew". The *Zionists* amongst us prefer nice, sane dictators around the Near East commanding armies of useless Arabs.
We really do need either a purge of the GOP or else a third party.
Posted by: curious's friends who are different from her at February 25, 2012 09:32 AM (QTHTd)
Ron Paul - 10 years ago.
Posted by: Gerry
"Jews run the world"
Ron Paul - Tuesday
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 25, 2012 09:32 AM (lVGED)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 25, 2012 09:33 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 25, 2012 09:34 AM (QTHTd)
I agree; it is time to go. But we need a constant presence, just to keep them in check. Occasional drone strikes as a start, with some boots on the ground for more substantial stuff.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 25, 2012 09:34 AM (nEUpB)
God, I'm so sick of these people.
You could destroy every Bible, and there would still be Judaism and Christianity, because those ideals are eternal and in line with natural law. You could go into the Archive and destroy the Consitution. It wouldn't change the inalienable rights people have.
These illiterate savages fetishize a book they can't read, in a language most of them cannot speak. It's not even that. They didn't see this on the Internet in their hovels--they were told it in the mosque and believe it. If it wasn't this, they'd be outrageously outraged by something else. Savages don't really need an excuse to be savages.
And SCOAMT doesn't need an excuse to suck up to those who wish to destroy Western civilization.
Posted by: Palandine at February 25, 2012 09:34 AM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Frogger MacGhee at February 25, 2012 09:35 AM (Te1S8)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 25, 2012 09:35 AM (Npzzl)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2012 09:36 AM (Af3Wg)
Then what?
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 09:36 AM (q0hEs)
I'll bet you that most of the women like big, brave Taliban men just fine, and that most of the children will grow up to join and support the Taliban.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 25, 2012 09:36 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Little Miss Cat Piss at February 25, 2012 09:37 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 25, 2012 09:37 AM (QTHTd)
Ron Paul - Tuesday
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 25, 2012 01:32 PM (lVGED)
Cool. I've got some shit I want to do. Was there a hotline number or something?
Posted by: really ... at February 25, 2012 09:37 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 09:38 AM (u50z0)
Posted by: Frogger MacGhee at February 25, 2012 09:38 AM (Te1S8)
There's a good chance that the AoSHQ board of membership is going to pull your nerd card for not remembering ZOD.
Posted by: Rick Horsey-assy Santorum [/i] at February 25, 2012 09:39 AM (9Hw3U)
Rotfl
Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 09:39 AM (u50z0)
Boulder obsessive paranoid socktard stocker
Yeah - That's why the Taliban blow up schools and the locals just love it. Oh and fuck off asshole.
Posted by: whatever at February 25, 2012 09:40 AM (i/wm2)
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 01:31 PM (mP3uM)
A good part of being in Afghanistan was really to be closer to Pakistan's nukes, which should have risen to the top of everyone's priority list on Sep 12, 2001.
Bush never should have gotten int he way of Pakistan and India in 2003. That was incredibly stupid.
Posted by: really ... at February 25, 2012 09:40 AM (X3lox)
You could destroy every Bible, and there would still be Judaism and Christianity, because those ideals are eternal and in line with natural law.
And the evangelicals have it memorized. They could reproduce it by tomorrow afternoon. Probably the Duggars alone could spit out the New Testament by lunch.
Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 09:41 AM (u50z0)
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at February 25, 2012 01:37 PM (g7D8V)
Arclight.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 25, 2012 01:37 PM (nEUpB)
The problem is that relying on bombs dropped from far away to solve the problem was one of the issues that led up to 9/11 to begin with.
They can get punished that way (assuming you get 'em), but that still didn't work for stopping them.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 09:42 AM (q0hEs)
Posted by: White Oak Bayou at February 25, 2012 09:43 AM (Dwkd0)
I think the best example are the Lemba in Africa. Some Jews went over, who I guess didn't remember to pack a Torah, and they intermarried with the Lemba. Many centuries later they were found still practicing kashrut.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 25, 2012 09:43 AM (QTHTd)
There's a good chance that the AoSHQ board of membership is going to pull your nerd card for not remembering ZOD.
Our fearless Ewok leader doesn't even know that it's MST3K...he should be safe.
Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2012 09:43 AM (Mamvh)
Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 09:43 AM (u50z0)
We kinda need to take this fight out of them considering that kid gloves will. not. work.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2012 09:44 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 25, 2012 09:45 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 09:46 AM (u50z0)
I was sort of joking.
We need a small presence to support drone flights and forays into the hinterlands to keep the natives calm.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 25, 2012 09:46 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at February 25, 2012 09:47 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: zzzzzzzzz at February 25, 2012 09:48 AM (y2I84)
You wouldn't even have to nuke Mecca.
1) Steal the meteorite they worship
2) Put it in the warehouse from the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark
3) Tell the Muslims they can have it back when they renounce murderous violence and riase themselves to a Renaissance level of civlization.
Posted by: Palandine at February 25, 2012 09:49 AM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Retread at February 25, 2012 09:50 AM (joSBv)
It's just a confession.
Obama should apologize to the families killed because of a meme he promoted because of his vanity.
Posted by: Dustin at February 25, 2012 09:52 AM (wcT+8)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at February 25, 2012 09:52 AM (ubUGA)
Posted by: Dustin at February 25, 2012 09:52 AM (wcT+8)
"It's time to go."
It was time to go as soon as we scored OBL. Scoring alZawahiri and Mullah Omar would hve been excellent, and are needed, but politically, we won. We should have left then, taken all troops and contractors, and left the Afghans to face the Taliban.
Pakistan and the ISI will be a problem until someone deals with them. Cutting off all American aid is the first step. We never should have given them the amount of money and weapons that we did. We bought future problems. Threats would have been much better.
Posted by: Arbalest at February 25, 2012 09:52 AM (N3ZuI)
Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at February 25, 2012 09:52 AM (uYXYP)
Yep, and you'd need to use the drones if you got as much as a SNIFF of bad shit. No apologies, or even acknowledgement afterward, either.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 25, 2012 09:53 AM (SAMxH)
Kill them all, let God sort them out.
Peace through superior firepower.
24 empty tubes, a mushroom cloud on the horizon, and it's Miller time.
If God didn't want them dead, why did he make them the our enemy?
I miss the old days.
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 09:53 AM (mP3uM)
Posted by: Mitt Romney!! at February 25, 2012 09:54 AM (r2PLg)
Then what?"*
We do the same thing over and over again. As long as we keep letting Muslims in our country we will always have to undress to travel and live under a constant threat. That's not what the framers had in mind with freedom of religion.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 25, 2012 09:54 AM (GZitp)
Obviously there are nuances. The people living in Kabul and other major towns would prefer to be educated and prosperous. The people in the villages would prefer to be left alone to do their villager thing.
But they also have pride in being Pashtun and Muslim, and they like to win.
So, since I don't really KNOW if most Pashtuns are fine with the Talibs, I'll take that back.
I do KNOW that enough Afghans either sympathise with, or don't feel strongly enough against, the Talibs to run them out on their own. By contrast with the Sunni Iraqis who ran al-Qaeda out of Anbar during the "awakening".
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 25, 2012 09:55 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Mitt Romney!! at February 25, 2012 09:56 AM (r2PLg)
Sadly, they'd just find another rock. The Dome of the Rock happens to be an emergency Miracle Rock for just this emergency. That Mo and his rocks.
BTW, in islamic culture, you say, "smart as a box of rocks".
Posted by: really ... at February 25, 2012 09:56 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 25, 2012 09:57 AM (QTHTd)
That these barbaric stone age morons don't grasp that what matters is the words that are printed and not the paper they are printed on is all the reason we need to pull every troop out with our collective ass on the window on the way out.
Posted by: Jack Burton at February 25, 2012 09:57 AM (3H74j)
Posted by: Mitt Romney!! at February 25, 2012 09:57 AM (r2PLg)
Do you think that's going to be more or less of a hassle for us than staying there?
Also, along the lines of what the other poster just mentioned, it was us up and leaving when we took a few casualties that also led up to 9/11. We were seen as weak. We were seen as a paper tiger. If assassinating a few Americans can get everybody to leave, don't you think they're going to start doing that elsewhere?
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 09:57 AM (q0hEs)
Posted by: Little Miss Cat Piss at February 25, 2012 09:57 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Tjexcite at February 25, 2012 09:58 AM (sk1Ym)
Posted by: Mitt Romney!! at February 25, 2012 09:59 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Mitt Romney!! at February 25, 2012 10:00 AM (r2PLg)
A muslim and a non-muslim each received one wish from a genie.
The muslim demanded to go first and wished for a immensely tall and solid wall around all of the Islamic lands to keep the infidels out. The genie granted it.
The non-muslim asks the genie if this wall really was impenetrable and nothing could get out. The genie confirmed it.
The non-muslim made his wish, "Fill it with water".
And, thus, 99% of the world's problems were solved.
Should I condemn myself?
Posted by: jjmurphy at February 25, 2012 10:01 AM (xjEAl)
Posted by: mike at February 25, 2012 10:01 AM (AsqOS)
And I liked Sanctorium's "what a snob" remark about the CIC of the Good War.
Posted by: I am the walrus, goo goo ga joo at February 25, 2012 10:02 AM (4sQwu)
Posted by: real joe at February 25, 2012 10:02 AM (EFS7w)
Posted by: Mitt Romney!! at February 25, 2012 10:02 AM (r2PLg)
I didn't mean that's what we should do, I meant that's what our liberal society will do. Most Americans are incapable of understanding the threat of Islam. We think we can fight a small sect of them in the Islamic world while allowing thousands into our own country and think we'll be safe from them. It's idiotic.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 25, 2012 10:03 AM (GZitp)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 25, 2012 10:03 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: mike at February 25, 2012 10:04 AM (AsqOS)
Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2012 10:04 AM (ffV1/)
Posted by: Jack Burton at February 25, 2012 10:06 AM (3H74j)
The best solution, though probably not politically feasible, would be martial law. It worked in Japan.
Posted by: JohnJ at February 25, 2012 10:06 AM (Tt6ky)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 25, 2012 10:06 AM (Npzzl)
Sorry to be a prick here, but rant aside, you know we won't do that and they know we won't do that.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 10:06 AM (q0hEs)
Look for a Muslim outfit that will send you one for free. I did this after 9/11 and when it arrived it went straight in the trash. Doing this has the added benefit of making them spend money.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 25, 2012 10:07 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Mitt Romney!! at February 25, 2012 10:08 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 25, 2012 10:09 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 10:09 AM (mP3uM)
Posted by: Mitt Romney!! at February 25, 2012 10:10 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 25, 2012 10:10 AM (Npzzl)
Hearts and minds doesn't work unless you got a firm grip on their balls. Then a little squeeze reminds them.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 25, 2012 10:11 AM (SAMxH)
These are the same groups that were convinced we lost the first Gulf War because we didn't take over Iraq or level everything in site. That's what the groups were fighting would have done. We didn't. So, we lost.
Actions speak. Words are meaningless. We can say whatever we want, but when we have no recent record of going nuts in revenge (and when that is not about to change), leaving a country and saying "...but you guys better watch it!" just isn't going to work.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 10:12 AM (q0hEs)
Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2012 10:13 AM (ffV1/)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 25, 2012 10:13 AM (SzAZ7)
But Afghanistan, with its present borders, is going to always be a hellhole. It's like the land the other countries just didn't want.
Fleeing would allow one of the most evil tyrannies, the Taliban, to again build up attacks. 9/11 was, to me, a Taliban operation that may have had Baathist support though it's controversial to say that.
Al Qaida is just a front or an infrastructure rather than a distinct organization.
You can't bomb Afghanistan into rubble, as that's exactly what it already is. They seem to blow anything nice up promptly. Schools, hospitals... they will blow that shit up if we don't stop them.
Must suck to be a good person in that country. What Afghanistan needs is some common sense pride. I'd just rename the place Palestine and fake a few religious miracles there so they all think it's Holy enough to build into a nice place.
Posted by: Dustin at February 25, 2012 10:14 AM (wcT+8)
Posted by: OxyCon at February 25, 2012 10:14 AM (ur8o6)
Actually one commentator on Hewitt's show early on in the war said the only conceivable way of changing the country would have been to set up a new version of the British colonial corps. The idea being that we would colonize the place by making land grants to US officers who manage it like the Brits managed India and Pawk~keestan! years before.
The obvious problem, of course, is that the pacification necessary in order to pull off a colonization wouldn't fly with the American public. We're not that country right now, just as we're not the country to go Roman on any country, despite cathartic fantasies of the Spades commenters.
Among Left's many slanders is the idea that Americans are a war-loving people. We are, without a shred of doubt, not.
Unless they are able to pull off the first of the Four Conjectures described by Wretchard in his essays, there will be no grand actions taken against any Islamist country. We're just going to muddle along, playing at the margins, small scale, low-intensity operations.
Welcome to the new Cold War.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at February 25, 2012 10:16 AM (9Hw3U)
Posted by: JohnJ at February 25, 2012 02:06 PM (Tt6ky)
Japan had a civilization, and we had MacArthur!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 10:16 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Palandine at February 25, 2012 01:22 PM (g7D8V) "
Fucking THIS. We need to limit foreign aid to basket case countries to natural disaster relief only, and maybe not even then. If our freedom, capitalism and money born of both so offends their fragile Muslim sensibilities, then fuck 'em. Let their shitty pedophile prophet provide for them.
Posted by: holygoat at February 25, 2012 10:16 AM (XnwWl)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 25, 2012 10:17 AM (jucos)
I am on the 'time to go' bandwagon. Its the failure of not having a final purpose and exit strategy.
My personal thought was it was to destroy the top leadership and structure of al queda that was responsible for 9/11 and kill bin laden. To me, mission accomplished, no need to nation build an nation that cannot be built.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 25, 2012 10:17 AM (r+9M6)
The comparison between Japan and Afghanistan is so utterly laughable you really should punch yourself in the junk for that.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at February 25, 2012 10:19 AM (9Hw3U)
I know. On the internet my rant-fu is weak, undisciplined.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 10:19 AM (q0hEs)
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2012 10:21 AM (cv/XN)
I have said for 10 years, if you're not willing to go in an destroy that culture first, you can't save it. W wouldn't admit that, and Barry just wants us to lose.
Posted by: PJ at February 25, 2012 10:22 AM (DQHjw)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 10:22 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 10:23 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Dubya at February 25, 2012 10:23 AM (ffV1/)
Posted by: MC at February 25, 2012 10:24 AM (VlZvE)
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 02:12 PM (q0hEs)
Going to work for what? Afghanistan isn't the only place terrorists train their people. They have Libya now, Egypt, Yemen, Iran, Pakistan and who knows where else.
I don't understand the end game in Afghanistan. We aren't going to make them like us, they don't want to like us and if some of them did it's the wild west over there. Lot's of places to find a couple of hundred acres for a training camp where no one will bother you.
Posted by: robtr at February 25, 2012 10:24 AM (MtwBb)
http://tinyurl.com/7ps84lv
Or just let them kill themselves with steroids like he's apparently doing.
Posted by: Blacksheep at February 25, 2012 10:26 AM (8/DeP)
Posted by: retired05 at February 25, 2012 10:27 AM (9zpCc)
Posted by: PJ at February 25, 2012 02:22 PM (DQHjw) ]/i]
"Losing" in Shitfuckistan and belittling our military is a win-win for Obama!
If you can't/won't define what constitutes a "victory", you can't possibly win.
http://tinyurl.com/nej3nj
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 10:27 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2012 10:28 AM (ffV1/)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 10:28 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 25, 2012 10:29 AM (wYCOF)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 25, 2012 10:29 AM (jucos)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 10:29 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: retired05 at February 25, 2012 02:27 PM (9zpCc)
At least we know Romney has no qualms about using assassins.
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 10:29 AM (mP3uM)
Gawd I'd love to hear that.
One thing I think is Newt Gingrich's strong suit is his stance on foreign policy and National Security.
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 02:28 PM (r2PLg)
yeah he did it's at mediaite
Posted by: robtr at February 25, 2012 10:29 AM (MtwBb)
Do SCOAMT's followers not see this?
On the one hand, this country has to be as liberal as possible--gay marriage, abortion until birth on demand (ideally with the Catholic Church paying for it), women in the front lines of the military, public school curricula that denigrate every aspect of this country.
And on the other hand, SCOAMT is apologizing to a nation and an ideology that treats women as third class citizens, reviles and murders gays, and hates everyone that doesn't subscribe to their brand of Islam.
It's so transparently obvious that the endgame is hatred of Western Civilization. Do they really not see that?
Posted by: Palandine at February 25, 2012 10:31 AM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Milo at February 25, 2012 10:31 AM (1agxt)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 10:31 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: dananjcon at February 25, 2012 10:32 AM (cv/XN)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 10:32 AM (5H6zj)
Being that comfortable in your ignorance is truly frightening.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at February 25, 2012 10:33 AM (9Hw3U)
Posted by: ejo at February 25, 2012 10:34 AM (5+4NI)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 10:34 AM (5H6zj)
We could call it the Black Jack after PERSHING...
And I could fire em with a glass of Tennessee Jack..
Posted by: bedrock at February 25, 2012 10:35 AM (+Xivf)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 10:35 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Commodore Barack Obama at February 25, 2012 10:37 AM (+usC4)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 10:37 AM (r2PLg)
I don't understand the end game in Afghanistan. We aren't going to make them like us, they don't want to like us and if some of them did it's the wild west over there. Lot's of places to find a couple of hundred acres for a training camp where no one will bother you.
Posted by: robtr at February 25, 2012 02:24 PM (MtwBb)
Going to work as intimidation to discourage them from doing more of it. When our embassy was taken over in Tehran, we didn't provide a military retaliation outside of a botched helicopter rescue. When the Marine barracks were bombed in 1983, we withdrew from Lebanon. When we were attacked in Somalia we withdrew. When the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993, we treated it as a criminal act despite some evidence it might have had outside help. When Al Qaeda engaged in numerous terrorist attacks in the 1990s, we didn't provide much more than occasional missile.
The result of that was that Al Qaeda and a bunch of other people in the Middle East concluded we were a paper tiger. He attacked on 9/11 as part of a strategy. He was trying to intimidate us, because recent history showed the guy we could be intimidated that way.
The Afghanistan invasion was supposed to show them that the rulebook changed.
If we're going to leave right after a few people get assassinated this way, we're back to square one.
It's important here not to appear weak. We'll do that if we just bail here. We'll encourage more of this.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 10:39 AM (q0hEs)
He still does, AFAIK.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at February 25, 2012 10:41 AM (9Hw3U)
I'm sure they'd love for us to leave.....and just keep giving them money, paying them to be our friends, like we do with other countries.
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If we leave, we should wipe out some poppy fields and tell them....."don't fuck with us and make us have to come back here"....then leave and take our money with us.
Posted by: wheatie at February 25, 2012 10:41 AM (UOOK1)
AD, it's been 11 years. How much longer do we need to stay in that shithole to show our resolve?
Another benefit to getting out would be that Israel would be freer to attack Iran, without a large concentration of our troops immeditely to the east, ripe for retaliation from the mullahs.
Posted by: Palandine at February 25, 2012 10:42 AM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 10:42 AM (mP3uM)
Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2012 10:43 AM (ffV1/)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 25, 2012 10:44 AM (wYCOF)
Posted by: nickless at February 25, 2012 10:44 AM (MMC8r)
When they have opportunity they choose a religious totalitarian existence On Purpose! I find it unfathomable, I often think perhaps the woman would want to leave? but then I see palis, where they raise their children to hate others for the simple idea of believing in G-d differently and managing life differently.
They say they want their g-d alone without outside influence they Choose this destiny and poverty of humanity towards anyone outside their particular type/bran of Muslim of faith.
We should no longer have our sons and daughters die attempting to free them, They do not want freedom to be anything other than totalitarians to everyone within reaching distance.
I hope those muslims that abhor their existences in the countries controlled by their Religion alone, leave, and when they exist in other countries that do not have the same propensity to control others faith, they should , and i hope they do count it as a blessing to actually choose to have faith not made to, but also except Others do not and that's ok , free will and choosing your own destiny/faith / observance is what allows OTHER COUNTRIES BETTER AND FAITH BETTER IMHO.
anyoway get out loved ones out. let them own their hateful existances alone.
if they come back here, and try another 9-11 flatten em.
Posted by: willow at February 25, 2012 10:44 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 10:45 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: willow at February 25, 2012 10:46 AM (TomZ9)
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 02:39 PM (q0hEs)
But that requires leaders at the highest level of the US government, a National will to win, and the support of the media. None of these are going to happen in our lifetimes. Given that, I would prefer we get the hell out rather than be slowly "convinced" to leave by attrition of our troops.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 10:46 AM (i3+c5)
Soviets Could Not teach those savages. I doubt we could be Darth Vader enough to school them. Just nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure. Don't even consider it teaching them ... bupkis!
Posted by: Paladin at February 25, 2012 10:46 AM (YNPwP)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 10:46 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 25, 2012 10:50 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 10:50 AM (r2PLg)
I'm for bailing when there are no longer threats to us there to fight. So, that means I'm for staying there a long while. Yeah, that's not a satisfying answer, but as long as that's the case, I don't see the point to leaving, especially when it seems almost certain to me that we're going to have to come right back.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 10:51 AM (q0hEs)
Posted by: Not an Artist at February 25, 2012 10:54 AM (Lo/3Q)
This whuile chtty behavior is unsettling but i assume it is unsettling to other countries as well as you just have no idea what he'd do or wouldn't do.
Paul makes it pretty clear, we are deserving of disdain with our "getting in other countries business" He is the same. but says it from the conservative side.
he in my opinion has more in common with the left than with other conservatives/republicans with the exception of fiscal.
Posted by: willow at February 25, 2012 10:54 AM (TomZ9)
"It's time to go."
...and release the cluster bombs full of mustard gas (and ham, mmmm love ham & mustard) on the way out.
Posted by: 29Victor at February 25, 2012 10:56 AM (ES9R7)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 10:57 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 10:59 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 25, 2012 10:59 AM (SzAZ7)
It seemed up until a couple years ago that the most difficult work there was done. It appeared that our fights in Afghanistan was not merely winnable, but already won. The country was pacified. Is that impossible to believe that we can't go back to where we were just at the beginning of Obama's presidency?
Before you say that's impossible, remember that Obama severely reduced the number of troops that Petraeus recommended for a surge in Afghanistan.
Given that everybody knows Obama said we would be out of there within a couple years (and previously gave an earlier date), don't you think it's possible the Taliban are ramping things up now in order for it to look like we're leaving in a Saigon-style evacuation?
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 11:01 AM (q0hEs)
Perhaps he will bow. Then apologize that we forced them to do it to us.
Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at February 25, 2012 11:01 AM (L+cQA)
A Paulism I agree with is that a "war" requires a Congressional Declaration of War. No police actions, no kinetic military adventures lead from behind, but rather a formal statement, on the record, of the intent to engage and win (not just get to vote "present" for extra credit).
I still believe one on the primary reasons we "won" WW 2 was that it was a formally declared war and losing was unacceptable.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 11:06 AM (i3+c5)
I'm just sayin'.
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 02:59 PM (r2PLg)
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Yes, it's true - we have a lot of southern tradition practiced here. We also have a few 'good' Yankees around here too - in the local cemetery. I keeed.
When you 'go fishin' around here, you take a deep fryer along with some lard and a bag of cornmeal. Catch the fish, skin it, fry it and eat it..........maybe along with some sun-tea. Heaven on earth.
Posted by: Not an Artist at February 25, 2012 11:07 AM (Lo/3Q)
Why aren't the riot leaders sniped & the rally point mosque leveled?
Why did any Afghanis see the fire?
Why weren't those korans just shipped to Langley?
Seems to me the two biggest problems with slow-rolling war is losing the home front spirit and not weeding the dipshits out of our management.
Posted by: DaveA at February 25, 2012 11:08 AM (2eUbq)
Posted by: The Neutron Bomb at February 25, 2012 11:09 AM (To/3Q)
Posted by: Ellen at February 25, 2012 11:10 AM (B1FXc)
I do believe that it might be possible to achieve some sort of civilizational goal in the 'stan, but not with the current crop of "leaders" but currently in Washington and in the pipeline to become the next generation of leaders. I very much doubt even the most rabid war-mongering conservative elected to the US Presidency could muster the support to resurge troops in Afghanistan. Thus, Barky has achieved his irreversible goal of diminishing the US overseas.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 11:12 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: The Neutron Bomb at February 25, 2012 03:09 PM (To/3Q)
Go back to bed. There aren't any structures or assets worth saving in Afghanistan.
Posted by: really ... at February 25, 2012 11:12 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: DaveA at February 25, 2012 03:08 PM (2eUbq)
To Obama and the progs, this is a design feature, not a bug!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 11:14 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 11:14 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Grumpy at February 25, 2012 11:14 AM (CNua6)
Posted by: nickless at February 25, 2012 11:18 AM (MMC8r)
When Iran gets some nukes I think there's about a 99.44% chance of a nuclear exchange with Israel. Pakistan will join in and India will nuke them just because that gives them a reason to. China then nukes India?
Then what?
We have 10 more months for the Mayan Calendar scenario to play out. It could happen.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 11:19 AM (7+pP9)
This is one endlessly repeated ridiculous memes wrt Iran. If they actually moved in strength we'd clean their clocks. Same and worse would've happened in Iraq. We have been covertly warring with them all over since the Iraq invasion. An officer in a room or a platoon on a road are targets. A division is the end of whoever shoots at it.
Posted by: DaveA at February 25, 2012 11:21 AM (2eUbq)
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2012 03:14 PM (r2PLg)
It must suck to live under a soviet occupation government.
BBQ rationing should have brought out the masses in rebellion.
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 11:21 AM (mP3uM)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 25, 2012 11:21 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Burke at February 25, 2012 11:24 AM (9N3G1)
Posted by: Jordan at February 25, 2012 11:25 AM (RSG1I)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 25, 2012 11:26 AM (RJ8yG)
It's different with the Traitor-in-chief. I have no doubt he wants the Muzzies to win, if possible taking Israel down along the way. I was enraged when previous presidents pissed away American lives (and resources) in pathetic attempts to be Good Neighbors; Osama Obama is so much worse.
Given the reality of the situation, I want all our troops pulled out of A-stan, and today wouldn't be soon enough. Unfortunately, a heavy dose of BUFFs doing what they do so well will not follow. I doubt The Mutt, The Newt or (Self)Righteous Rick would do much better.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 25, 2012 11:27 AM (VrI4Z)
And another endlessly repeated ridiculous memes.
Let's cede the initiative to the non-deterrable decentralized civilian killers.
Posted by: DaveA at February 25, 2012 11:27 AM (2eUbq)
DAMN I am sooo pissed off! How in the hell did anyone even know about it? Did they rip each page off and light it in front of them? Who flippin copped to it? Obama?
Shit shit shit...that imbecile we have in the oval office is groveling to these murdering thugs? I can't even see straight I am so ticked off. Our soldiers are being killed for what? FOR WHAT?
Posted by: kawfytawk at February 25, 2012 11:36 AM (1nWj4)
Posted by: Mr Fever Head at February 25, 2012 03:21 PM (SzAZ7)
Brought to you courtesy of the declaration of War!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 11:36 AM (i3+c5)
Unfortunately our public schools have revised WW ll and the many progs are only too willing to accept the MSM BS. My brother along side of many brave men fought his way through Europe and liberated Checoslovaca. The Nazis surrendered. He and his buddies were sent to the west coast of the US in preparation for the invasion of Japan. By all rational assessments the casualties on both sides were estimated to be horrendous. Fortunately we had a President, Harry Truman who had the balls to make the right decision. It took not one but two nuclear bombs to convince the Japanese warlords to surrender unconditionally. He and his unit went on to occupy Japan and destroy the war munitions. The Japanese people of that time were every bit as fanatical as the islamamobs of today.
Posted by: Buffalobob at February 25, 2012 11:40 AM (qiFDD)
Why don't we have the self-confidence in Western Civilization to go full on Napier on these savages?
Posted by: butch at February 25, 2012 11:42 AM (UIbD4)
"We" are better than that and our commitment to the slow death of Western Civilization by sanctifying multi-culturalism is our proof!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 11:46 AM (i3+c5)
The true tragedy would be if this hurts diversity.
I question the timing. This follows close on the heels of humiliating pics of troops wearing fake boobs.
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 11:46 AM (mP3uM)
Posted by: x11b1p at February 25, 2012 11:49 AM (nVLlM)
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Lord Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at February 25, 2012 11:51 AM (Uh+y6)
I can only pray that you are an advisor to JCS!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 11:52 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: slackmac at February 25, 2012 11:53 AM (xMaMq)
Posted by: Berserker at February 25, 2012 11:56 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: x11b1p at February 25, 2012 11:56 AM (nVLlM)
Posted by: Frogger MacGhee at February 25, 2012 11:58 AM (Te1S8)
Problem with Mitt is he'll force our troops to Hopscotch from one futile Islamist setting to the next and "stay the course" in the Middle East. He hasn't expressed any of the grit his dad had, confronting the insider propagandists. Rather, "Promise them anything; just get their votes!"
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 12:01 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 25, 2012 12:05 PM (i0App)
Posted by: x11b1p at February 25, 2012 12:06 PM (nVLlM)
Here's the lesson. Again. Go in 100% or don't. We should have made it our colony (which we would have been totally justified to do, hand-wringing of pussies notwithstanding) or got out earlier.
Let's get the fuck out now.
Or take the motherfuckers totally over and send those moslem asses to satan. Crusades weren't about attacking mecca. It was about defending the worthy religious territory from dog shit non-redemptive ego glorification. Tell me where the koran says to love thy neighbor, tell me where is says to turn the other cheek, tell me where it says to render to Caeser what is due to Caeser? Tell me where is says to swim in the blood of your defeated enemies and then fuck bang some 9 year old child because YOU are the chosen prophet?
You don't have to be a genius to know killing cancer does not make you a bad person (although being a liberal makes you not understand this).
Wicca is far more real a religion than pigshit goat-fucking turban-grabbers.
And plus, witches put out.
Posted by: Color is a currency at February 25, 2012 12:11 PM (XknXv)
US regarding al Qaeda -- We were for them, before against, before allied again, only to be against again...
"US Military base in Middle East watches unrest in the Gulf"
WASHINGTON (AP) — Unrest surging through the Arab world has so far taken no toll on the American military. But that could change if revolt washes over the tiny Persian Gulf kingdom of Bahrain — longtime home to the U.S. Navy's mighty 5th Fleet and arguably the Middle East anchor of U.S. defense strategy.
The discontent that has spilled into the streets of Bahrain's capital, Manama, this week features no anti-American sentiment, but the U.S. has a lot at stake in preserving its dominant naval presence in the Gulf.
http://tinyurl.com/6lnfwu3
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 12:12 PM (lpWVn)
As for SCOAMF "apologizing" to Karzai - when's he gonna get around to apologizing to us for the last three years of newspeak and doubletalk and assorted other bullshit?
That's what I thought.
Posted by: antisocialist at February 25, 2012 12:17 PM (j/nZn)
The United States was never for Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda did not exist when the United States was assisting in Afghanistan. Even back then, though, according to Charles Wilson, Bin Laden himself was fiercely anti-U.S.
This is a left-wing trope that has no basis in fact whatsoever.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 12:21 PM (q0hEs)
Prior to 2009, there was no small government republican. None. Everyone was dirty.
And it all changed as the tea party erupted.
So the question is, who gets the message the best? They all do. But to pic the best among people with flawed history...
I say Newt.
He has the power to destroy the narrative that has been destroying this country.
Posted by: Color is a currency at February 25, 2012 12:21 PM (XknXv)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 25, 2012 12:25 PM (X/+QT)
The neoconservative interventionist nation building Spiel was designed to win the hearts and minds of AMERICANS, to convince Americans to buy the propaganda marketing the US War with Afghanistan as distinctly unlike the Russian/Afghan War, and absolutely not the same as the US/Vietnam War.
America was legitimately outraged by 9/11/01 and we were inclined to illogically equate our invasion of Afghanistan with our real Declaration of War against Imperial Japan. Yet immediately, our POTUS Bush and Obama insisted on insane and suicidal rules of engagement for our troops, and fabricated the most insane goals, not only resulting in horrors, but the worst suicide rate that our Military has ever suffered. We were never given a realistic war agenda to achieve the goal. Rather, we're still being told to accept "forever war" at least for the next century.
Afghanistan was and will ever be an exercise in futility. Recognize the destruction America has bequeathed the Middle East peoples and nations in the name of deceitful compassion.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 12:32 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: rplat at February 25, 2012 12:35 PM (4vq8i)
The CIA organized al Qaeda for use. But as dirty trick bastard offspring go, the blow back took no time happening.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 12:36 PM (lpWVn)
The neoconservative interventionist nation building Spiel was designed to win the hearts and minds of AMERICANS, to convince Americans to buy the propaganda marketing the US War with Afghanistan as distinctly unlike the Russian/Afghan War, and absolutely not the same as the US/Vietnam War.
Read up on the military history of Vietnam. It was the hearts and minds, ours, that lost the war. Not the military engagements.
Afghanistan was and will ever be an exercise in futility. Recognize the destruction America has bequeathed the Middle East peoples and nations in the name of deceitful compassion.
Yeah, it's impossible to turn Afghanistan into a stable country...except for the entire Bush administration when did just that.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 12:36 PM (q0hEs)
The United States was never for Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda did not exist when the United States was assisting in Afghanistan. Even back then, though, according to Charles Wilson, Bin Laden himself was fiercely anti-U.S.
This is a left-wing trope that has no basis in fact whatsoever.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 04:21 PM (q0hEs)
Indeed. Whenever I get into an argument with a leftist over Afghanistan I accuse Charlie Wilson of running an illegal war and Jimmy Carter and Zbigniew Brzezinski for arming Al-Qaeda. Next, I blame 9/11 as blowback for those actions and policies. All the lefties can do then is sputter in anger.
Rewriting history can be fun!
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 12:37 PM (7+pP9)
It did no such thing and you have no clue what you're talking about.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 12:37 PM (q0hEs)
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 12:38 PM (lpWVn)
That's a good one. I'll have to remember that.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 12:39 PM (q0hEs)
Richard A. Clark is hardly a Lefty.
--Al Qaeda was created by the CIA, in their offices in Washington D.C., according to Richard Clark in his most recent book. It was created for Saudi Arabia to bankroll Osama bin Laden, through the House of Saud, "in the Afghan war against the Soviet Union during the 1980's and Riyadh and Washington together contributed an estimated $3.5 billion to the mujahideen."--
In mid-1979, about the same time as the Soviet Union deployed troops into Afghanistan, the United States began giving several hundred million dollars a year in aid to the Afghan Mujahideen insurgents in Operation Cyclone. Along with native Afghan mujahideen were Muslim volunteers from other countries, popularly known as Afghan Arabs. The most famous of the Afghan Arabs was Osama bin Laden, known at the time as a wealthy and pious Saudi who provided his own money and helped raise millions from other wealthy Gulf Arabs.
Youtube Reagan's endorsement.
Anything to do with al Qaeda is a controversy.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 12:55 PM (lpWVn)
The CIA organized al Qaeda for use. But as dirty trick bastard offspring go, the blow back took no time happening.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 04:36 PM (lpWVn)
No, you dumbshit. America supported the insurgents that eventually became The Northern Alliance.
OBL didn't even show up in Afghanistan until 1986, and then as a lowly backhoe operator. He never fought in combat against the Soviet Union.
Under President Reagan the CIA did support the Afghan Mujahideen by providing them weapons and ammunition, most notably the Stinger missiles that ended Soviet dominance. The small arms were funneled through ISI, while the CIA kept extremely close tabs on the Stingers. The ISI were cut out of that loop.
For an excellent explanation of the Soviet involvement in Afghanistan I suggest you read a book written by a Soviet General deeply involved in the conflict.
It's titled The Bear Trap, and is currently out of print but you can get it from inter-library loan. It's a real eye opener, which is probably why it's no longer in print.
Almost everything ever written about the U.S. involvement in the Soviet Union's Afghanistan conflict is at least 95% lies.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 12:59 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 01:00 PM (q0hEs)
Posted by: Chris at February 25, 2012 01:01 PM (XGZYX)
Posted by: Jordan at February 25, 2012 01:02 PM (RSG1I)
Here's an example:
18 March 2011
Libya: the West and al-Qaeda on the same side UK Telegraph
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 01:03 PM (lpWVn)
"We've been at war in Afghanistan for over a decade and have degraded al Qaeda's ability to use that country as a base from which to train and attack us. The battle has moved to other places such as Yemen and the Horn of Africa and we need to continue to focus on them."
You do realize just how illogical that statement is, right? The whole reason we've degraded them there is because we have a presence there. If we left, they would come back. It really isn't that hard to figure it out.
Posted by: Chris at February 25, 2012 01:04 PM (XGZYX)
It's time to go.
We've been at war in Afghanistan for over a decade and have degraded al Qaeda's ability to use that country as a base from which to train and attack us. The battle has moved to other places such as Yemen and the Horn of Africa and we need to continue to focus on them.
We should move to a smaller footprint that enables special operations forces and CIA paramilitary types to kill key people when necessary. The days of tens of thousands of troops trying to create a civil society there simply must end. If these savages want a country run by Islamic fundamentalists again, they are welcome to it.
Yup.
Posted by: MikeD at February 25, 2012 01:04 PM (p8QOg)
"We should move to a smaller footprint that enables special operations forces and CIA paramilitary types to kill key people when necessary."
Unfortunately, real life isn't an action movie.
Posted by: Chris at February 25, 2012 01:05 PM (XGZYX)
Kneejerk denial is for suckers.
Richard A. Clark is hardly a Lefty.
--Al Qaeda was created by the CIA, in their offices inWashington D.C., according to Richard Clark in his most recent book. It was created for Saudi Arabia to bankroll Osama bin Laden, through the House of Saud...
Richard A. Clark is a sucker of hard Lefty cock.
Anybody who believes a word he says is an idiot.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 01:05 PM (7+pP9)
"Rewriting history can be fun!"
Neoconservatives rely on revisionism.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 04:39 PM (lpWVn)
I just play by the left's rules when arguing with them. They, like you, are ignorant assholes who blame Reagan for arming Al-Qaeda. And they, like you, are incorrect shitheads talking out their ass.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 01:11 PM (7+pP9)
It was considered perfectly acceptable to sacrifice 100,000 Americans to avenge Pearl Harbor.
Less than 2,000 in Afghanistan responding to 9/11 spread out over 10 years and we bitch that it's too much. Not that I don't care about the loss of life, but can at least have some perspective on this? We sound like libtards.
Posted by: Chris at February 25, 2012 01:12 PM (XGZYX)
You have clearly never read a single book on this subject, you idiot.
Here's an example:
18 March 2011
Libya: the West and al-Qaeda on the same side UK Telegraph
Can you tell the difference between "being on the same side" and "coordinating together"?
Go read your own article. Do you see anything in it saying the CIA is coordinating with Al Qaeda?
Is there a way to write in magic ink on the internet so that you can read something in that piece that nobody else can see?
Let me help you out. I and a bunch of others want Assad gone from Syria. It has just come out that Hamas wants Assad gone (or at least says they do, anyway) now also.
Do you think everybody who wants Assad gone is now coordinating with Hamas?
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 01:14 PM (q0hEs)
Can you tell the difference between the Mujahideen and Al Qaeda, you idiot?
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 05:00 PM (q0hEs)
Care to explain to us the differences between the Mujahideen, Al-Qaeda, The Northern Alliance and the Taliban Mister Mister self-acclaimed fucking genius?
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 01:15 PM (7+pP9)
Better question yourself on that, AC. Go to Afghanistan and make the distinction between a man whose tribe was Mujahideen but is referenced today as either Taliban and/or al Qaeda, whichever suits the propaganda narrative.
Our labels would be more accurate were we to know people by their tribes, since that's how it is there. Even so, best not to translate into English what is indigenous from another language. For instance, can you tell the difference between the Lakota and the Sioux?
You have a different and limited view, so all others must be "idiots" -- pfft.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 01:17 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Jordan at February 25, 2012 01:18 PM (RSG1I)
Care to explain to us the differences between the Mujaheddin, Al-Qaeda, The Northern Alliance and the Taliban
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 01:19 PM (7+pP9)
Take your own criticism to heart. As is, you're stuck on stupid.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 01:20 PM (lpWVn)
I have a better chance of seeing Elvis this afternoon than this guy taking the time to read a single history of Al Qaeda and admitting he's wrong.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 01:20 PM (q0hEs)
The Mujahideen was not a tribe you utter f'king moron.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 01:21 PM (q0hEs)
AD was too lazy to reference any source at all, even quickie Wikipedia, before entrenching his dogmatic view.
Bin Laden explained the origin of the term in a videotaped interview with Al Jazeera journalist Tayseer Alouni in October 2001:
The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed. [57].
57. "Transcript of Bin Laden's October Interview" CNN. February 5, 2002. Retrieved October 22, 2006.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 01:27 PM (lpWVn)
You certainly are an idiot.
Afghan tribes are/were affiliated.
Do yourself a favor. STFU.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 25, 2012 01:30 PM (lpWVn)
Is there magic ink in this sentence somewhere where it says "the CIA started and worked with Al Qaeda," but I just can't see it?
If you're going to Wikipedia, did you bother to check on that site where it says this:
According to Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with bin Laden in 1997, the idea that "the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ...[is] a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him."[271] But as Bergen himself admitted, in one "strange incident" the CIA did appear to give visa help to mujahideen-recruiter Omar Abdel-Rahman.[272]
You are the biggest f'king idiot I have argued over this subject with in a long time.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 01:33 PM (q0hEs)
Nah.. nah... Reagan was the one who armed Iran, mostly missiles. The Secretary of Defense went down for perjury. The National Security Adviser was convicted of withholding evidence. CIA's covert ops director too as well as a passel of other administration officials. Luckily, almost everyone was pardoned by G.W. Bush in 2992.
Posted by: Jordan at February 25, 2012 05:18 PM (RSG1I)
2992? That's one useless fucking pardon!
Actually, it was brilliant. A chance to get our hostages back while enabling the worst regimes in the Middle East to bleed each other white without sacrificing American lives.
Man-oh-man that pissed off the lefties.
And even the special prosecutor had to admit Reagan was out of the loop. Lefty heads asploded over that!
And finally there was Ollie North with his uber hawt secretary, walking scott free. That resulted in an unprecedented left wing fit of rage and meltdown.
Whatta fucking coup!
The best part of it is the leftists are still seething over it!
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 01:35 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Chris at February 25, 2012 01:39 PM (XGZYX)
Posted by: Presnit SCOAMF Barky at February 25, 2012 01:39 PM (qs9G3)
1. For starters, the Mujahideen does exist anymore, you idiot, so there is no "are." "Were" is the correct word to use here.
2. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you said "the Mujahideen was a collection of opposition groups with which some tribes were affiliated."
Odd, I can't find where you said that (it must have been written in that magic ink).
Again, you are the biggest f'king idiot I have argued over this subject with in a long time.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 01:40 PM (q0hEs)
Again, you are the biggest f'king idiot I have argued over this subject with in a long time.
Posted by: AD at February 25, 2012 05:40 PM (q0hEs)
"panzernashorn" is a newbie here. He made some intelligent posts earlier, but seems to have now gone off the deep end. I suspect he's an Axelrod troll who lacked the self-discipline needed to gradually win our trust.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 25, 2012 02:01 PM (7+pP9)
Really??...I don't need any additional perspective. I want my damn CINC to have a little fucking perspective. I want the war, if it is to be fought, to be fought without both hands tied behind their backs, and I don't give a rats ass if anyone is offended.
Perspective...are you kidding me? I have all kinds of perspective on this issue...trust me. give me a break
Posted by: kawfytawk at February 25, 2012 02:13 PM (1nWj4)
Posted by: Lou Zirr at February 25, 2012 02:27 PM (fuzot)
FUCK EM,Nuke the bastards!.
I think that was a quote from POTUS Bill Pullman in "Independance Day",NO? Close Enough.
Posted by: Rich K at February 25, 2012 02:32 PM (X4l3T)
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Posted by: FloridaGOP at February 25, 2012 07:12 PM (QTVh2)
I guess he's hoping we'll all just forget about it all by Monday morning.
Posted by: PJ at February 25, 2012 07:37 PM (DQHjw)
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