February 25, 2012
— Dave in Texas Algae. Wind. Dreams from My Father the Nut.
In his [Obama's] defense, a reasonably scientific study did claim just that: National Microalgae Biofuel Production Potential and Resource Demand, by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL).However, there are a few leetle problems with it, which PNNL themselves pointed out:
•It would take acreage equivalent to the area of South Carolina to generate that much oil
•It takes 350 gallons of water for every one gallon of oil you produce
•Meeting that water requirement would take 25% of our irrigation capacity
•It takes even more water than that unless you use lakefront and oceanfront real estate
Without subsidies (i.e. your money) to prop them up, they're a giant truckload of FAIL. Even now wind farms in California and Europe are idle and rusting because the cost to maintain them is higher than the value of the energy they produce.
But you'll keep paying for rail cars full of ethanol taken to California, pulled by diesel engines. Because your government is retarded.
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Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 25, 2012 07:29 AM (ndlFj)
I loved Obama's deprecation of a drilling solution to our energy needs - that's just crazy talk! - and then blathering about effing algae as a practical solution.
After the White House (please, God), Obama should do stand-up.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2012 07:30 AM (3Tgf2)
Posted by: Barack H Mechanic at February 25, 2012 07:30 AM (K30yr)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 07:34 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at February 25, 2012 07:34 AM (npr0X)
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Now, that's just not acceptable. The timing on my car is not retarded, it is differently-abled.
Posted by: Anachronda at February 25, 2012 07:35 AM (6fER6)
Obamavich seems to be stuck in the "A"s this week.
Advocating Algae and Apologizing to Afghans
What an Asshole.
Posted by: BoreGuru at February 25, 2012 07:35 AM (06cOi)
Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2012 07:37 AM (8RlBP)
Posted by: Not an Artist at February 25, 2012 07:38 AM (Lo/3Q)
Posted by: kallisto at February 25, 2012 07:41 AM (jm/9g)
Al Qaeda in Iraq warns of looming war with Shiites
http://tinyurl.com/7embkk4
Fox News site, but it's an AP wire story;
Despite deadly assaults against the Shiite-led government's security forces and Shiite pilgrims, there has been no indication that Iraq is returning to the sectarian bloodshed of 2006 and 2007 that pushed the nation to the brink of civil war.
So, despite escalating violence, there's no reason to worry about escalating violence
Posted by: kbdabear at February 25, 2012 07:42 AM (Y+DPZ)
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And to think we once considered Slow Joe to be impeachment insurance.
Posted by: real joe at February 25, 2012 07:43 AM (EFS7w)
How many jobs will this pond scum farming create?
Posted by: Retread at February 25, 2012 07:44 AM (joSBv)
Posted by: azkag at February 25, 2012 07:45 AM (kfuac)
Posted by: Marty McFligh at February 25, 2012 07:47 AM (Y+DPZ)
Commenting on ObamaÂ’s energy speech On the Record with Greta Van
Susteren, Newt said, “It was a remarkably false speech and illustrates
the passion of his ideological commitment to a fantasy world.”
Newt's suitability to be president is debatable, but he is our own Oscar Wilde when it comes to brilliant snarkery.
Posted by: pep at February 25, 2012 07:47 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: theCork at February 25, 2012 07:47 AM (AsGWW)
Obama is a lying, racist, elitist, corrupt, freedom - hating, dictator wannabe! Read Liberty & Tyranny and Ameritopia by Mark Levin to learn the truth about progressivism. It ;">will set you free.
All in 2 in. caps. See ya in the hospital.
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 07:48 AM (WHmDb)
Posted by: The Politically connected at February 25, 2012 07:49 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at February 25, 2012 07:50 AM (ursbV)
Posted by: Barack Horatio Algae, Jr. at February 25, 2012 07:52 AM (1ZF7c)
They want to go to algae production because it's sort of like farming? I, for one, fear Big Eukaryote.
Posted by: pep at February 25, 2012 07:52 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at February 25, 2012 07:52 AM (ursbV)
All this biofuel business is pap recycled from the 70s. I was a grad student in the lab of a major proponent of biomass-based fuels (e.g., sugar cane) when he redefined "hydrocarbon" to include oxygenated hydrocarbons, such as carbohydrates. Then he promoted plants as a source of the newly-redefined "hydrocarbons."
The problem, of course, is that oxygenated species are already partially oxidized, and therefore have considerably lower heats of combustion on either a specific or molar basis than true, no-shit hydrocarbons (hence the problem with bioethanol).
But it was all good for getting grants and PR.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2012 07:52 AM (3Tgf2)
Brilliant, but I propose a small change.
The left's belief system is all "snake-handling".
Posted by: pep at February 25, 2012 07:54 AM (6TB1Z)
teej, you left the other thread, so I will say "hi" here.
I was reading over at HA that the name of the algae company is Solazyme. Is anyone else a bit creeped out as to how close that is to "Soylent"? I mean just where exactly is Obama going with this algae business?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 25, 2012 07:54 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 07:54 AM (mP3uM)
Posted by: Barack Obama at February 25, 2012 07:54 AM (3Tgf2)
Germany's energy plan
Greece's financial discipline
France's foreign policy
Russia's cult-of-personality autocratic governing style
And North Korea's press.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 25, 2012 07:55 AM (P136z)
Posted by: I am the walrus, goo goo ga joo at February 25, 2012 07:56 AM (4sQwu)
Retread / 15:
Obamavich, Pelosiyeva & Reidski... been using those since '08 I think.
Use to comment here as "Huckleberry", but went mostly to Twitter when I saw Ace, Dave etc there a lot.
Posted by: BoreGuru at February 25, 2012 07:56 AM (06cOi)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2012 07:56 AM (Af3Wg)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 07:57 AM (Ho2rs)
day every day!
They need to assault his intelligence and call him out for ridicule.
All of these "alternative" energy schemes are scams and boondoggles and enormous wastes of time and taxpayer money.
The government just sunk over 500 million in a Solar company that everybody, who had even a passing knowledge of what was going on in the company, knew would fail.
And that's just one such boondoggle being funded by this administration.
People should be in jail!!
Posted by: McLovin at February 25, 2012 07:59 AM (l14aH)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 07:59 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 25, 2012 07:59 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:01 AM (WHmDb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:02 AM (Ho2rs)
That is the problem with all these green energy plans. To many parasites sucking the blood from you.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 25, 2012 08:03 AM (tf9Ne)
My son's roommate at a mediocre college just failed out. He had changed his major from something he could handle (law enforcement) to biology. Why? Because it struck him one night that someone needed to figure out how to make energy from bong resin.
This guy will prob be Obama's next energy czar.
Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 08:04 AM (u50z0)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 25, 2012 08:04 AM (rn0rY)
Posted by: Iowa Algae Farmer at February 25, 2012 08:04 AM (7+pP9)
And Zimbabwe's policies. Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2012 11:56 AM
Italy's corruption
Mexico's law enforcement
Canada's political correctness
Britain's immigration policies
Japan's banking practices
Posted by: Marty McFligh at February 25, 2012 08:05 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:06 AM (Ho2rs)
http://tinyurl.com/7d668wq
Posted by: Marmo at February 25, 2012 08:06 AM (pcgW1)
This guy will prob be Obama's next energy czar. Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 12:04 PM
You wingnutz are anti-credentials aren't you!
Posted by: Clarence Clavin at February 25, 2012 08:06 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Obama Retard Czar at February 25, 2012 08:06 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 08:07 AM (mP3uM)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:07 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 08:08 AM (u50z0)
Posted by: Corky the Retard at February 25, 2012 08:08 AM (3kUwF)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 25, 2012 08:09 AM (UR5vq)
Posted by: Elephant Liberation Front at February 25, 2012 12:07 PM (mP3uM)
Pennzoil, 10W-40.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2012 08:10 AM (3Tgf2)
Posted by: dagny at February 25, 2012 08:11 AM (u50z0)
Posted by: Obama Car Czar at February 25, 2012 08:11 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:12 AM (WHmDb)
"I'll reduce your monthly energy bill by 3000%."
Posted by: really ... at February 25, 2012 08:13 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: teej (channelling ol' what's his name) at February 25, 2012 08:15 AM (WHmDb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:15 AM (Ho2rs)
A national CCC type of program, with the sole purpose of maintaining solar and wind and bio facilities, as well as caring for our forests and wetlands/swamps, not to mention our highways and bridges, can not be too far from our great (spit!) leaders mind. Those types of programs create civilian armies, which have been spoken of longingly in the past, allowing for the indoctrination/education/feeding/etc., of large numbers of currently unemployed persons (primarily the young-ish). I do not find the CCC camp idea to be bad in and of itself, in as much as the participants are given a sense of belonging and an opportunity to mature while performing useful services rather than simply collecting unemployment and other social benefits, but I do not want to see the socialists/anti-americans in charge of any programs of that type. That would be lethal.
Posted by: And Irresolute at February 25, 2012 08:16 AM (RC3M9)
We won't need tires once I sell him my new can't-miss idea for anti-gravity paint. Five, maybe ten billion should do for starters, and allow me to hire three or four people. Anyone want in?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2012 08:17 AM (3Tgf2)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 08:17 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Little Miss Cat Piss at February 25, 2012 08:18 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:18 AM (Ho2rs)
In his [Obama's] defense, a reasonably scientific study did claim just that: National Microalgae Biofuel Production Potential and Resource Demand, by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL).
And let's see, does PNNL have any grant proposals in on this? Is that even remotely possible?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2012 08:20 AM (3Tgf2)
Posted by: really ... at February 25, 2012 08:20 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 08:20 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:21 AM (WHmDb)
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 25, 2012 08:25 AM (KZ5KD)
We've been allowing pond scum to vote since we expanded the franchise to non-property-owners, so this wouldn't change much
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 25, 2012 08:25 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:26 AM (WHmDb)
Posted by: Reb Tevye at February 25, 2012 08:26 AM (zxrQh)
Posted by: Buffalobob at February 25, 2012 08:28 AM (qiFDD)
Hmmmm, wonder whose fault that might be.
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:29 AM (WHmDb)
Posted by: Jean at February 25, 2012 08:31 AM (v9wwx)
Blatant patent infringement. Expect a call from my lawyers.
Posted by: Dr. Cavor at February 25, 2012 08:32 AM (Nq/UF)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:35 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:36 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:36 AM (WHmDb)
Posted by: Gerry at February 25, 2012 08:37 AM (8vgpw)
It's called "Investing in the Future." Look it up.
Posted by: 52% of America, voting for Obama at February 25, 2012 08:37 AM (t0IbN)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:38 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 12:29 PM (WHmDb)
What are you...stupid?
It's Bush's fault.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 25, 2012 08:39 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: The Teacher's Union and the New Media - in Kahootz, ya know at February 25, 2012 08:39 AM (BbX1b)
Posted by: Unicorn Crotch Yeast at February 25, 2012 08:40 AM (1ZF7c)
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:40 AM (WHmDb)
anti-gravity paint, that is so 20 seconds ago. I'm tellin' ya, all we gotta do is use our bat belts to match up our polarity with the earth's magnetic field and we'll repel each other just like tryin' to push the positive ends of two magnets together.
Nah, that's crazy talk. Stick with the tried and true, anti-gravity paint. Gotta be realistic.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2012 08:40 AM (3Tgf2)
Posted by: Palerider at February 25, 2012 08:41 AM (ITaIZ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 25, 2012 08:42 AM (Ho2rs)
At least I can recognize a rhetorical question when I see one.
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:43 AM (WHmDb)
Posted by: Diddy at February 25, 2012 08:44 AM (NsbPY)
Stay safe all!!!
Posted by: teej at February 25, 2012 08:46 AM (WHmDb)
"Ed Schultz And Richard Wolffe Explain Global Oil Markets To Republicans" http://tinyurl.com/72f9oqf
Posted by: jeremy lin fan at February 25, 2012 08:46 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2012 08:48 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 25, 2012 08:50 AM (mFxQX)
Don't you need high temperatures to produce algae? If we stop "Global Warming", less algae will be produced, no? So......
Honestly, the only thing this president wants (and there is ample evidence of this) is the "next new thing" - he doesn't want to hear the same old stuff, because he's convinced that old white men are wrong. Even though those are the cultures that have thrived over time, while a fair number of his Kenyan contemporaries are still eating dirt and living in mud huts.
Could we just get a couple of engineers and accountants for president for the next couple of cycles? I'm tired of intellectually incurious pseudo-scientists being in charge of public policy.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 25, 2012 08:53 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: jumbo jogging shrimp at February 25, 2012 08:54 AM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Wyatt's Torch at February 25, 2012 08:55 AM (zxrQh)
It's redistribution from the poor to the rich via propaganda and graft.
Posted by: nickless at February 25, 2012 08:57 AM (MMC8r)
Seems like one is likely to require one or more gallons of oil energy (or equivalent) to run the process to create one new gallon of oil energy.
Seems there's a pattern here. The clowns running the nation think they can create wealth of thin air by printing it, just as much as they can create new energy out of thin air by wishing it...
More distrubing is how, given the lack of common sense taught in our largely socialized education system, there's plenty of J-walkers available to vote for those promoting these barrels full of unicorn farts.
Posted by: drfredc at February 25, 2012 08:59 AM (xBVu+)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 25, 2012 09:00 AM (Npzzl)
Okay, let's use eminent domain to take all the property of all of the entertainers who live in Malibu. They should be willing to make this sacrifice, just so Gaia will stop weeping.
The only problem with Malibu is that it's on the West Coast, and very many more people are on the East Coast, so there's a long, in fact "continental" in length, supply line ...
Obviously, an East Coast location is needed, for efficiency, and preferably some pce along the coast that is near population areas, with good transporation access yet is sparsly built up ....
... Hyannisport
Posted by: Arbalest at February 25, 2012 09:08 AM (N3ZuI)
We're doing it all downhill, you foolish Western pig-dog. That's why we're also investing $298 billion in new research into hills.
Posted by: Barky From Jakarty at February 25, 2012 09:08 AM (X3lox)
These are all know problems in the biotech world. The bacteria and yeasts that make products like vitamin C, penicillin, HGH, beer etc, are grown in carefully regulated sterile reactors. The miracle oil-alga requires the huge complication of sunlight. The reactor must be transparent and is limited in thickness to light penetration resulting in a poor surface to volume ratio. That means more material is needed to enclose the growing media. Of course any sunlight not used for photosynthesis (1%) or reflected away is dissipated as heat. The cooling system adds yet more cost and complexity because alga only achieve peak activity in a very narrow temperature band.
All of these problems are of course solvable given unlimited government loans, but eventually all but the purest of heart realize that it is more cost effective to just pocket the money and default on the loan.
"Plus, everyone knows that the Wright brothers wouldn't have invented the airplane without government subsidies of their bicycle shop"
Funny thing is, the govt did subsidize the competition. Langley's flopped - literally!
Posted by: deadman at February 25, 2012 09:10 AM (Zf0v/)
But then you'll just scatter them among the population where they'll annoy a lot more people. Its easier to avoid them when they're all contained in one little area.
Posted by: NC Ref at February 25, 2012 09:10 AM (/izg2)
"This is one of the biggest things I'm going to be pushing back on this year, this notion that this is somehow class warfare, that we're trying to stir up envy," Obama said. "Nobody envies rich people, everybody wants to be rich. Everybody aspires to be rich, and everybody understands you've got work hard to be successful. That's the American way."
This "envy" thing must have polled really bad in some focus group. But that meant that something had to replace "envy." So when I saw the Geithner statement yesterday, I knew that the latest "talking points" must have been distributed around the Administration.
I found the "privilege of being an American" breathtaking, but why must only the "rich" be so "privileged" ?
We new seem to have rights to "gay marriage," a "living wage," to "life," to ""choice," to "die," to "know," to "forget," to "privacy," to "be forgotten," to "education," to "work," to "play," to "bear arms," to "carry," to 'bare legs," to "health care," to "research," to "read," to "food," to "organise and to bargain collectively," to "hike," to "vote" (even when dead)," to "counsel," to "free speech," to "protest," and to "remain silent."
But alas, citizenship is now a "privilege."
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 25, 2012 09:12 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2012 09:12 AM (Af3Wg)
it's a win-win for JugEars. everyone can can run their cars on, unicorn farts/algae gas.
what a great plan.
Posted by: Racefan at February 25, 2012 09:17 AM (THqGH)
Newt said, “It was a remarkably false speech and illustrates the passion of his ideological commitment to a fantasy world.”
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34 All this biofuel business is pap recycled from the 70s.
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The fantasy world of which Newt speaks was being taught to all the bright (and the not-so-bright) college kids in the 1970's and 1980's. Most of them graduated, went out into the real world, and learned that most of the deep, intellectual topics they'd been discussing over their doobies (or blow, when they could afford it), was bunk. Those topics included stuff like how the U.S. could easily end its dependency on fossil fuels by developing biofuels made from substances like algae, but the evil oil company executives and their greedy lust for profits were blocking the way forward.
Unfortunately, in 2008 U.S. voters chose to put into the most powerful office in the world a man whose outlook never matured beyond that of a naive college sophomore from the 1980's.
Posted by: AZC at February 25, 2012 09:18 AM (WvS06)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 25, 2012 09:19 AM (Npzzl)
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 25, 2012 09:20 AM (Npzzl)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 25, 2012 01:12 PM (e8kgV)
"liability" is what they're driving for.
Posted by: really ... at February 25, 2012 09:24 AM (X3lox)
There are people having sex out of wedlock!
Posted by: Rick Horsey-assy Santorum [/i] at February 25, 2012 09:31 AM (9Hw3U)
Posted by: Dumpsterjuice at February 25, 2012 09:33 AM (B6U0F)
Its either about cracking chemical bonds or atomic nuclei....or the huge mass of hydroelectric.
Posted by: nickless at February 25, 2012 09:35 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Little Miss Cat Piss at February 25, 2012 12:18 PM (7+pP9)
True dat, but only when bought with silver dimes!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 09:36 AM (i3+c5)
And of course (thanx JJ sefton), for mentioning that), NY enviroasses succeeded in removing the economic benefits of fracking--local economy boost, and that SWEET tax money resulting from the venture. But the water and earth remain unsullied.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 25, 2012 09:38 AM (SAMxH)
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We're gonna need a bigger Keystone.
Posted by: Anachronda at February 25, 2012 09:47 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2012 09:49 AM (i3+c5)
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Can't speak for stuff between LA and the desert, but it's my understanding that the windmills all over Tehachapi pass (between Bakersfield and the desert) are not generating power even though they are spinning because the company that owns them went backrupt. Difficulty being that they are no longer being maintained.
It's possible that changed sometime in the last few years and I didn't hear about it...
Posted by: Anachronda at February 25, 2012 10:03 AM (6fER6)
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I can't speak for all wind farms, but if you ever drive from L.A. to the desert, you can see that the blades are turning.
Am I the only one who finds those massed windmills ... kinda ugly?
Sure, one by itself is more esthetic, but a whole shitload of 'em (see outside of Palm Springs) reminds me of an oil refinery in terms of appearance. Or is that just me?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2012 10:26 AM (3Tgf2)
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