October 17, 2012
— Open Blogger
- Andrew Sullivan Off Suicide Watch
- U of Colorado Study Claims 77% Chance Romney Wins The Popular Vote
- Michael Walsh: Don't Worry, Be Happy
- VDH: A Draw, Or Better Than A Draw
- Kaus: Crowley Was Out Of Line
- Mark Critz Is Fighting Barack Obamas Ballot Drag
- Taliban Demands Unbiased Coverage Of Attempted Murder Of 14 Year Old
- Woman Accused Of Driving Drunk After Drinking Half A Bottle Of Hand Sanitizer
- Tool That Reveals Politicians Top 10 Campaign Donors
- Lance Armstrong Stepping Down From Livestrong Charity And Nike Is Terminating His Contract
- White House Pays Women Less Than Men
- UK Guardian May End Print Edition
- Unreal: State Department Hasn't Ruled Out Role Of Anti-Islam Video In Libya Strike
- Chaffetz Tells Crowley To Her Face< "It's Not Your Place"
- Federal Jobs Filled Despite Hiring Freeze
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Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 17, 2012 05:40 AM (HLFzM)
Morning, all!
We had an earthquake up here in New England last night; 4.0 centered just outside Hollis Center, Maine. I felt it all the way down here in central NH. Technically it happened at 7:12PM, so well before the debate began, but I like to imagine it was the Earth postulating an earth-shaking win for Romney.
That or it was another precursor to SMOD.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 17, 2012 05:40 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Killerdog at October 17, 2012 05:40 AM (gNt90)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 46% more DOOM! at October 17, 2012 05:41 AM (MrM2k)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 46% more DOOM! at October 17, 2012 05:42 AM (MrM2k)
Posted by: Killerdog at October 17, 2012 05:43 AM (gNt90)
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 05:43 AM (jx2j9)
And he thinks he "won" the debate?
I think somebody should show him the dictionary entry for "Pyrrhic Victory".
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 17, 2012 05:44 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 05:45 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Cat Lady Candy Crowley at October 17, 2012 05:46 AM (OiC7K)
he also announced to the world that Romney's was bigger than his
Posted by: Jones in CO at October 17, 2012 05:46 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: mugiwara at October 17, 2012 05:46 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: Arlen Specter at October 17, 2012 05:46 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 17, 2012 05:47 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 05:47 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Jones in CO at October 17, 2012 09:46 AM (8sCoq)
=============
Reggie Love hardest hit...
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 17, 2012 05:48 AM (RSqz2)
Posted by: Killerdog at October 17, 2012 09:40 AM (gNt90)
Well that would be the ultimate milky load.
Posted by: Pointy Elbow Cheerleader at October 17, 2012 05:48 AM (kzp9t)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 05:48 AM (136wp)
Republicans are too polite and deferential to the media. We really need to treat them like the press of a foreign country that we are at war with.
That was the good thing about Newt. He did that.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 17, 2012 05:50 AM (TpXEI)
And somehow, I'm suppossed to believe that this wasn't a coordinated set-up?
Posted by: mugiwara at October 17, 2012 09:46 AM
The first transparent action by this President
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at October 17, 2012 05:50 AM (+I8Mq)
Quick media roundup. Not bad:
LA TIMES: President Obama's performance in Tuesday's second presidential debate was dramatically better than his outing in the first one earlier this month. Unfortunately for Democrats, Obama's Republican rival, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, didn't crumble in the face of the newly energized and forceful president.
NYT: President Obama, who concluded that he was "too polite" in his first debate with Romney, made sure no one would say that after their second. He interrupted, he scolded, he filibustered, he shook his head.
HuffPost: If commentators weren't saying Obama won the debate, they were calling it a draw -- an improvement over Obama's clear loss at the debate in Denver.
POLITICO: NBC News's David Gregory added that Romney was "strong, too," particularly on "wrapping the economic troubles of the last four years around the president's neck." But as many reporters and pundits said, Romney "stumbled on this issue of Libya, saying that the president didn't call it an act of it terror immediately."
The Washington Post / Erik Wemple That falsehood prompted an intervention -- prohibited by official debate rules! -- by Crowley, the moderator: "It -- he did in fact, sir."
Time / The Page Romney's errors on tone and Libya make him the debate loser, but his economic arguments and physical challenge to the incumbent might play better in the country than in the media filing center.
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 05:51 AM (9KqcB)
Fact is the transcript didn't show that he called the Benghanzi attack, a terror act. He generalized all attacks as acts of terror. As someone said earlier, I guess it depends on the meaning of is is.
Posted by: polynikes at October 17, 2012 05:52 AM (m2CN7)
Bottom line - Big Romney win last night. The ongoing Libya discussion is fun for the pundits, but irrelevant.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 05:52 AM (VKd99)
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 09:52 AM (9KqcB)
--
You need a colonoscopy too?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 17, 2012 05:53 AM (HLFzM)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 17, 2012 05:54 AM (JWLqy)
Probably would be better that Andi's.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 17, 2012 05:54 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: JEM at October 17, 2012 05:54 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 05:55 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at October 17, 2012 09:50 AM (+I8Mq)
And I have the transcript right here (even though I materially misrepresented what was actually said in the Rose Garden).
Posted by: Hrothgar (Unemployed Debate Coach) at October 17, 2012 05:55 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 17, 2012 05:55 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Arlen Specter at October 17, 2012 09:46 AM (SzAZ7)
Yeah, and we are still celebrating you turn coat MFer.
Posted by: The GOP at October 17, 2012 05:55 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 17, 2012 05:55 AM (l3vZN)
Cow-orker 2: "Five minutes of 'I'm talking now' 'No, I'm talking now' was enough."
Cow-orker 3: "I love how the right-wing talking heads get all angry about 'Obama talking over Romney shows he's a jerk' but when Romney talks over Obama, it shows he's 'forceful.'"
Note to self: Avoid the fuck out of Cow-orker 3 until Nov 8 (I'm taking off the 7th for hangover/baking Cupcakes of Schadenfreude with Sprinkles of Gloating.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 05:55 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 05:55 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at October 17, 2012 05:55 AM (2IQGd)
Ongoing (for the past 6 years) - Media struggles to conceal Obama's history: http://tinyurl.com/cwvkmyv
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 05:56 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Fritz at October 17, 2012 05:56 AM (/ZZCn)
Hindsight being 20/30 , I wish Romney would have conceded that Obama used acts of terror in general and then proceded to ask Crowley if she had the transcripts when Obama refused to call it an act of terror two weeks later when he was on the View.
That would have required the most awesome of debate prep ever to have that info in the back of your brain.
Posted by: polynikes at October 17, 2012 05:56 AM (m2CN7)
“He was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word,” Crowley said.
Romney "was right in the main." Romney was right.
OBAMA: I don't care how offensive this video was, it was terribly offensive and we should shun it.
HILLARY: This video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose, to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage.
CARNEY: Let's be clear. These protests were in reaction to a video that had spread to the region.
OBAMA: You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character, an extremely offensive video.
CARNEY: The unrest we've seen has been in reaction to a video.
OBAMA: A crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world.
RICE: It was a spontaneous, not a premeditated response, a direct result of a heinous and offensive video.
OBAMA: I know there are some who ask, "Why don't we just ban such a video?" The answer is enshrined in our laws. Our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech.
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 05:56 AM (9KqcB)
Sure would like to know the agency affiliation and name of the national security team leader he called.
Posted by: Hrothgar (Unemployed Debate Coach) at October 17, 2012 05:56 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 at October 17, 2012 05:57 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Satan at October 17, 2012 05:57 AM (136wp)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 05:58 AM (/kI1Q)
Best line from a moron last night RE Crowley, "She's built like a soda machine"
Posted by: dananjcon at October 17, 2012 05:58 AM (eavT+)
It's not "good optics" to say that Candy Crowley, Moo-Chelle's paler twin sister, was in any way in the tank for Choom Boy, no matter how it looked to anyone not already poisoned by unconditional love for the America-hating fuckwit in the White House.
In fairness, we have to give President Historic First© a lot of credit for facing Romney with only a hand-picked audience, pre-screened questions and that fatass "moderator" on his side. If I had odds that overwhelmingly good, I'd be buying lottery tickets right now.
Just think: maybe we'll get another four years'-worth of "Obamateurisms!"
Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at October 17, 2012 05:58 AM (ZgX/g)
Posted by: JEM at October 17, 2012 05:58 AM (o+SC1)
Remember when he told the father of 8 to stop whining and buy a Prius?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 05:58 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jones in CO at October 17, 2012 05:59 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: polynikes at October 17, 2012 09:52 AM (m2CN7)
===============
He knew damn well that it was an AQ attack, on US soil, on the 9/11 anniversary. He decided to try to lie his way out of those "inconvenient truths" with some bullshit excuse about a video, but as a precaution he added that little throw-away line at the very end of his remarks as a CYA just in case somebody (like Mitt) called him on his lies.
He's a disgrace for that alone, hiding behind Crowley's (expansive) apron folds makes him even more craven and disgraceful.
Posted by: Nighthawk at October 17, 2012 05:59 AM (RSqz2)
Good work Barry.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 17, 2012 05:59 AM (wR+pz)
It's the economy, stupid
- James Carville, 1992
Twitter and the blogs are alive with hand wringing last night and this morning about "Romney's missed opportunities". He "wiffed" on Libya. To hear all the pundits talk, you would think Romney is now personally responsible for the death of an ambassador, since his answer was so bad. With all due respect to the pundit class living in their Washington bubble, waiting for Libya to explode like Watergate ... bullshit.
Romney won the debate, hands down. It wasn't even close.
No one will be going into the voting booth and voting for or against Obama because of the Libya.
The number one issue in this election has always been the economy and the debt crisis. This has been the case since January, and has been confirmed in poll after poll. Even when Obama had been leading in the polls, the economy was always the voter's top concern.
During the first debate, Romney was able to accomplish two very important things. First, he was able to talk directly to the voters, without media spin and obfuscation, to explain his plans for the economy. He was able to do this in simple terms that people could understand and relate to. Second, he was able to eliminate the "Scrooge McDuck" image that Obama's advertizing had crafted in the minds of a small, but electorally significant segment of the voters. Voters decided that they like him and he is an acceptable alternative to Obama. They also decided that they like Romney plans for the economy, better than Obama's promises.
As the debate ended, a lot of undecideds and independents made preliminary decisions to vote for Romney.
The Obama campaign was now in deep trouble, but never understood the real danger. While they focused on lies and Big Bird, they missed their key failure in the debate, and in their campaign in general. They have never offered specific plans for the second term. Obama and his advertising are long on saying they have a plan, but they never actually describe it. Romney on the other hand has now gotten his 5 point plan into the minds of the voters. They probably can't name all 5 points, but like Herman Cain and the 999 plan, everyone knows he has one.
Obama let 2 weeks of campaigning pass without correcting this fatal flaw in his campaign. Meanwhile the polls and swing states moved away from him and toward Romney. During that two week period, Obama lost Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia.
During the second debate, Romney needed to reinforce the preliminary decisions of those voters. Romney was able to do that both by continuing to explain his economic plan, and, in a surprise twist of turning a "gotcha" moment into a strong response, explaining why he will be different from Bush. I believe his Bush answer was the strongest moment of the night, negating years of Obama's "blame Bush" rhetoric.
Last night, Obama needed to change the direction of the campaign. He needed to get soft voters that have shifted to Romney to move back to him. That is a tough thing to do, but it was possible. He had to lay out a 2nd term agenda that would counter the Romney 5 point plan and give voters confidence that Obama knows how to fix a struggling economy.
He failed.
Both the CBS and CNN polls showed that while viewers narrowly gave Obama a "win" in the debate, he lost on the crucial point of stewardship of the economy. The CBS poll gave Romney a 65-35 win, while the CNN poll gave Romney a 54-40 win. Obama spent a lot of time talking about this election being a "choice", but he never articulated what voters would be choosing if they voted for him. This left the default answer to be Romney's, 4 more years like the last 4 years.
The discussion about Libya, Crowley, and Romney's "wiff" is interesting to the pundit class, but mostly irrelevant. It matters to the voter only as a confirming example of Obama's incompetence. The average voter (and even sophisticated voters) can't keep track of what happened and when. The detailed timelines that GOP strategists are whining about are not important to the voter, beyond proving again that Obama can't keep a story straight. The fact that we are discussing Bengazi at all this morning is a major problem for Obama. Whether or not he wins on the details of the Libya coverup doesn't matter. They are taking time away from the most important thing he needs to be doing.
He is continuing to fail to explain how he will address the voter's number one concern. He didn't do it last night. And every day that passes, Romney continues to solidify his support.
It is probably too late now for Obama. He lost his only chance to speak directly to the voters, and the final debate focused on foreign policy will not revisit the most important topic of this election.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 05:59 AM (VKd99)
Posted by: dananjcon at October 17, 2012 09:58 AM (eavT+)
I was glad I had the wide screen flat panel so I could see all of crowley at once!
Posted by: Hrothgar (Unemployed Debate Coach) at October 17, 2012 05:59 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:00 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: supercore23 at October 17, 2012 06:00 AM (bwV72)
Posted by: Bacon Industry at October 17, 2012 09:39 AM (iOw6D)
Yes, I will, but they are really 750's now, which is less than a fifth. Cheating MFers.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 17, 2012 06:00 AM (wR+pz)
The ongoing Libya discussion is fun for the pundits, but irrelevant.
True. But will be very relevant in the last debate. And Crowley has already ackowledged that Romney "was right in the main."
Obama's Clintonesque backdoor reference to "acts of terror" won the moment last night, but it won't be sustainable for a whole debate.
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 06:00 AM (9KqcB)
I'll take ten dozen. Where do I place my order, Heather?
Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 17, 2012 06:00 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 17, 2012 06:01 AM (JWLqy)
Siding with Barry = moving the debate along. Barry's right now shut up Mitt. Next topic - twinkies!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 17, 2012 06:02 AM (1Jaio)
His administration began with the motif: ONE VOICE.
one voice? "We are legion" insanity
Posted by: panzernashorn at October 17, 2012 06:02 AM (BAnPT)
The best line about Crowley I heard was -
When did they pick Alex Karas to moderate the debate. I thought he was dead?
Posted by: polynikes at October 17, 2012 06:02 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 17, 2012 09:59 AM (wR+pz)
Gas prices will be a lot better when my Executive Order mandating that gas sales be priced in terms of liters, not gallons!
Posted by: Barky O'Chooma at October 17, 2012 06:02 AM (Cnqmv)
"It's the economy, stupid
- James Carville, 1992"
The most oft-quoted bit of nonsense in modern history.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 17, 2012 06:02 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:03 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 09:58 AM (/kI1Q)
Nope. Rupert Pupkin with a new nic.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 17, 2012 06:03 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: ET at October 17, 2012 06:03 AM (s72/N)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 17, 2012 06:03 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: panzernashorn at October 17, 2012 06:03 AM (BAnPT)
A plan to provide official photo identification cards for illegal immigrants moved easily through a Los Angeles City Council committee Tuesday with an array of supporters lauding it as a practical way to incorporate into civic life the area's large undocumented population. The photo ID would include the user's name, address, date of birth and possibly other identifying information.
It could be used by any resident who lacks acceptable documentation to open a bank account or access city services, such as libraries or work-training programs, officials said. Holders would be able to load the card with money, pay bills, make reservations and make purchases via debit transaction at ATM locations, city staff said. It would be up to Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck to decide whether patrol officers would accept it as an acceptable form of ID.
Besides undocumented immigrants, seniors who no longer drive, the homeless and transgender people would also benefit, officials said, because they often lack official ID as well. City staff said the program won't cost taxpayers anything because the third-party vendor would charge from $10 to $20 per card, and would also charge a few dollars a month if an applicant chooses to activate a debit card feature.
LATimes
"work-training programs"
for illegal aliens...
who can't work here legally...
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 17, 2012 06:03 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 17, 2012 06:04 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: cajun carrot at October 17, 2012 06:04 AM (UZQM8)
I'm not really set up for commercial orders...I only have one muffin tin. Lol.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 06:04 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:05 AM (ck76k)
Logically it should have been Clapper, but with this crew of incompetents it would be nice to have that confirmed.
Posted by: Hrothgar (Unemployed Debate Coach) at October 17, 2012 06:05 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Sheryl Crow at October 17, 2012 06:05 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: pray for peace at October 17, 2012 06:05 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:05 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 17, 2012 06:06 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: BignJames at October 17, 2012 06:06 AM (rlFQ+)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 17, 2012 06:06 AM (kc2b9)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:06 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: pray for peace at October 17, 2012 06:06 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: dananjcon at October 17, 2012 09:58 AM (eavT+)
I was glad I had the wide screen flat panel so I could see all of crowley at once!
Posted by: Hrothgar (Unemployed Debate Coach) at October 17, 2012 09:59 AM (Cnqmv)
*
My 3yr old nephew kept poking at Crowley's nose on the lap top screen in hopes of getting a grape soda.
Posted by: dananjcon at October 17, 2012 06:07 AM (eavT+)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:07 AM (ck76k)
*cough* We've got our top men working on bringing these people to justice.
Posted by: Fritz at October 17, 2012 06:07 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 17, 2012 06:07 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 10:04 AM (/kI1Q)
Is that a euphemism?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 17, 2012 06:08 AM (da5Wo)
for illegal aliens...
who can't work here legally...
And library cards, so they can stream porn.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 06:08 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:08 AM (Dnbau)
Gee, are you better off then you were four years ago?
Well not really, but give me another four years to make things much worse.
Sure.
Mr. Obama still has no tangible plans. He hasn't delivered on any of the promises from four years ago. But he needs more time?
Obama had 2 years of a super majority until people voted them out for doing nothing the people wanted and everything they wanted to do. What did he do in that time? Built another unaffordable entitlement we can't afford and nobody wants and added $6 trillion to the deficit.
Even the lowest information voter on the list gets that. Bring back the DOOM thread in a political wrapper. This should be article number one.
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 06:08 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 17, 2012 06:09 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Ramesh Ponnuru-Live From the Algonquin Roundtable at October 17, 2012 06:09 AM (qZXps)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 17, 2012 06:09 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:10 AM (Dnbau)
A plan to provide official photo identification cards for illegal immigrants moved easily through a Los Angeles City Council committee Tuesday with an array of supporters lauding it as a practical way to incorporate into civic life the area's large undocumented population.
I like this idea as it makes it easier for ICE to identify the illegals. Of course this would assume that the government was actually interested in enforcing the law.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 17, 2012 06:10 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 17, 2012 06:10 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 06:11 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:11 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Liberty Lover at October 17, 2012 06:11 AM (encrR)
This^.
I thought Romney would leap on that like Candy Crowley in a cake factory.
If you follow; the economy was crashing so fuel prices went down. But now the economy has crashed further and they went up?
Huh?
On what planet is that logical?
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 06:11 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 06:12 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:12 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at October 17, 2012 06:12 AM (kc2b9)
Posted by: pray for peace at October 17, 2012 06:12 AM (oZfic)
Comment 110 is like deja-vu all over again
So is 117...at for now. Looks like they're getting nuked from orbit.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 17, 2012 06:12 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:12 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 17, 2012 06:13 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Tampons at October 17, 2012 06:13 AM (136wp)
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 10:11 AM
Logic, like math, is racist.
Posted by: huerfano at October 17, 2012 06:13 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Romneylostthedebate at October 17, 2012 10:10 AM (Xa2if)
I fear, sir, that the screams of agony will be issuing from *your* water closet later this week. You might want to stock up on some ice and soothing balms.
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 17, 2012 06:13 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Romneylostthedebate at October 17, 2012 06:14 AM (c3oPV)
Posted by: Golan Globus at October 17, 2012 06:14 AM (/1U3u)
Posted by: buzzion at October 17, 2012 06:14 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: Bacon Industry at October 17, 2012 06:14 AM (iOw6D)
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 06:14 AM (jx2j9)
On Soledad OÂ’BrienÂ’s program...
John Sununu gave her another one of his regular beatdowns this morning ("You're out of your mind!")
She later joked that "he was trying to hit on me."
You wish, baby.
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 06:14 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:14 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 06:14 AM (136wp)
Re: Taliban crying foul over "biased" reporting over their shooting of 14 year old girl.
If they want favorable coverage they just need to get some face time on MSNBC. CAIR spokesmen could also be on the panel to give them support.
Posted by: kallisto at October 17, 2012 06:15 AM (jm/9g)
I'll take the front, you take the back. I'm going for the down low and slip right in...
I'll provide rear cover!
Posted by: Vagina Goalies at October 17, 2012 06:15 AM (BrQrN)
"Crowley's lie, in the moment, handed that point to Obama, when it should have been Romney's. No apology after the fact fixes that. The criticism of that hack should be ruthless, specific and unending."
It will instead be milquetoast and fleeting. Candy Crowley will be 100% fine. Hell, she might even do another presidential debate in a few years.
The GOP likes to think one day the press will like them. Mitt outperformed Soetero, but it wasn't another trouncing. Let's be honest - the biggest fuckup of last night was sending Mitt to assault a razor-wire fenced bunker. They never should have agreed to the moderator, location, or that list of questions. Consider this a lesson for future elections - NO FUCKING PRESS AS MODERATORS. Get a fucking NFL referee to do it.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 17, 2012 06:15 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: Jones in CO at October 17, 2012 06:15 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Bacon Industry at October 17, 2012 06:15 AM (iOw6D)
Posted by: sTevo at October 17, 2012 06:15 AM (tXFX1)
That is all.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at October 17, 2012 06:16 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 17, 2012 06:16 AM (GvYeG)
Bwahaha.
Zombie has suggested using the phrase among low-interest voters who fear the unknown, so it feels comfortable to them. http://is.gd/lgcUJh
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 06:16 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 17, 2012 06:16 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 17, 2012 06:17 AM (136wp)
Honestly, at first I thought I misunderstood what was stated. It was so "off the chart" stupid I asked someone in the room if I heard correctly.
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 06:17 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Hrothgar (Unemployed Debate Coach) at October 17, 2012 06:18 AM (Cnqmv)
He was cut off before he could. Crowley, thinking Obama had either scored a point or (more likely) was crucifying himself, moved on quickly to the next question.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at October 17, 2012 06:18 AM (8y9MW)
*FWEET!*
Unnecessary roughness, Romney. Touchdown Obama, who will take possession again on Romney 20-yard line.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 06:18 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Joe Sobstory at October 17, 2012 06:19 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:19 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: George Will Who Is Not At All Sexually Aroused By Candy Crowley and th Plants at October 17, 2012 06:19 AM (qZXps)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:19 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 46% more DOOM! at October 17, 2012 06:19 AM (MrM2k)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at October 17, 2012 06:19 AM (SDkq3)
Obama quote from last night -
"The way we're going to create jobs here is not just changing our tax code, but also to double our exports. And we are on pace to double our exports, one of the commitments I made when I was president"
Posted by: Questions That Won't Get Asked Tonight at October 17, 2012 06:20 AM (EZl54)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 46% more DOOM! at October 17, 2012 06:21 AM (MrM2k)
Candy Ass and Obama together managed together to fuck Hillary's "gift".
Obama accepted responsibility for NUTHIN' since he revised the entire scenario again. Obama refused and failed to answer the official debate question posed to him first by a "regular person" Townhall audience member who asked for the name of the specific government official that issued the denial for Benghazi Ambassador/Embassy security reinforcement. Blaming the Republican House members didn't fly, either.
Indeed, Benghazi is all the more "in your face" media time now, and the "video blame" won't disappear.
"Is" is? Candy pleading for a WillyJeff gimme.
Words, just words. Atrocious is not "terrorist". If atrocious were terrorist, then the atrocious Moochelle would be a terrorist, Moochelle's wearing the high belt acts of terrorism, and your performance as if a moderator more terrorism last night. Atrocious!
Posted by: Sheryl Crow at October 17, 2012 06:21 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:21 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 17, 2012 06:21 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:22 AM (Dnbau)
"You know how the game is played.....I get a talking point, a juicebox and an hour in the campaign office to copy and paste the same talking point over and over and over..............."
I'd like to meet the Democrat who actually writes the talking points. I picture Littlefinger from Game of Thrones but even more perverted.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 17, 2012 06:22 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: dogfish at October 17, 2012 06:22 AM (NuPNl)
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 06:22 AM (GGCsk)
"Mom Gives Birth While Riding on SEPTA Train"
http://tinyurl.com/bqsdauv
Subhead: "Also conceived child on SEPTA Train"
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 06:22 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 06:23 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:24 AM (Dnbau)
Obama quote from last night -"The way we're going to create jobs here is not just changing our tax code, but also to double our exports. And we are on pace to double our exports, one of the commitments I made when I was president"
That's from his 2016 "Let me back in" talking points.
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 06:24 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: tasker at October 17, 2012 06:24 AM (r2PLg)
What's next? "RomneylosesJengatohisGranddaughter"?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 06:24 AM (VKd99)
"plus all this chatter about Benghazi is a nice tee up for foreign policy debate."
Cruise missile strike on Benghazi the day before the foreign policy debate.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 17, 2012 06:25 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth decloaks to ask this important question at October 17, 2012 06:25 AM (qZXps)
Gee, I thought the President and Vice President didn't get involved in embassy matters related to security.
Which is it?
Oh and four Americans were dead and the AQ flag was raised over the embassy in Egypt.
Talk about closing the gate after the horse is already gone.
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 06:25 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:26 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 06:26 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: pray for peace at October 17, 2012 06:26 AM (oZfic)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:28 AM (Dnbau)
He did?
Well, heck. Now I'm convinced. Anyone who can't best a child at Jenga has no business being the leader of what used to be the largest economy on the planet.
Bwahahaha.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 17, 2012 06:28 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Gerg at October 17, 2012 06:28 AM (qZXps)
Fuel is outrageous. The Middle East is on fire. Food is pricier, goods are pricier, folks have no work, and there is a general feeling of resentment at the sycophantic, proselytizing nitwits of the country who decry and demonize any man or woman who voice a weak, nervous concern that perhaps Obama is not as good as imagined.
When it is just the ballot and them, that resentment will find its outlet. No amount of trolling from Greg or Joe or whomever the troll of the week is can prevent this from happening, and the terror of that realization is all too real.
Everyone here had better have a popcorn machine in their house, because the tears of unfathomable sadness come the 6th of November are going to be funny. as. hell.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 17, 2012 06:29 AM (ADQCg)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:30 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: RomneylosesinGregspolls at October 17, 2012 06:30 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: Michelle O at October 17, 2012 06:31 AM (OiC7K)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 at October 17, 2012 06:31 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 17, 2012 06:32 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: dananjcon at October 17, 2012 10:10 AM (eavT+)
That was cute. I had an image of an AK47 with eyes wearing a Rambo bandana strutting down the streets of Chicago and killing random pedestrians.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 17, 2012 06:32 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Evilpens at October 17, 2012 06:32 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 06:33 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:34 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Romneylosttheelectionlastnight at October 17, 2012 06:35 AM (l5Jl8)
All that MOE means is how repeatable the poll is. It is a measure of consistency, not accuracy.
That being said, I would love to see CT send someone other than a machine Dem to the senate.
Posted by: pompous statistics pedant at October 17, 2012 06:35 AM (2b4yb)
Posted by: buzzion at October 17, 2012 06:35 AM (GULKT)
Last night Romney took on an entire room all by himself - his actual opponent Barky, the lard-ass moderator (the aptly named) Candy, and all 82 "undecideds" in the audience.
Actually, make that 81 people in the room. It does seem like the black gentleman who asked the question about the economy was truly undecided and wanted some answers about why the last 4 years have sucked so badly.
Barky can only "win" when somebody else does the work for him. Romney is a grownup who does it himself.
Posted by: Boots at October 17, 2012 06:35 AM (neKzn)
Then he penned "America's Bad Jeans". To this day, I am uncertain if it was satire, or if the man really feels he's more of an adult because he wears silky slacks.
Boots up on desk, staring at my gray jeans at the moment, pondering if I've somehow missed the train to adulthood. Perhaps I need to start wearing a tie, too. Always a great idea to start each day by strapping something around your neck that can be used to strangle you. Brilliant, really.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal, gamer, pro-life activist, DHS watch-listee at October 17, 2012 06:37 AM (ADQCg)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 17, 2012 06:37 AM (JWLqy)
Oh my, you are delusional.
I love our trolls....they live in an interesting world.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2012 06:37 AM (2b4yb)
Living proof that there is really no limit to stupid: http://tinyurl.com/blq4l5t
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 06:38 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 at October 17, 2012 06:38 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: tasker at October 17, 2012 06:38 AM (r2PLg)
From the U of CO article:
"Berry emphasized that the overall accuracy of this model is based on the premise that American elections circle around the major issues. The day-to-day campaigning, gaffes, and political jabs are quite ineffective to the general populationÂ’s decision, come November 6th."
Posted by: kallisto at October 17, 2012 06:39 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Romneylosesbecausethatsmyname at October 17, 2012 06:39 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 17, 2012 06:40 AM (VKd99)
Posted by: rickb223 at October 17, 2012 06:40 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:40 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 17, 2012 10:37 AM (2b4yb)
I just wish they didn't SMELL so bad. I always know they're approaching when I'm struck by the overwhelming stench of stale Cheetos, Red Bull, and Axe body spray.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 17, 2012 06:43 AM (4df7R)
YouGuv poll of who won the debate
What in God's name is YouGuv and why should I care?
BTW, your mother hates you even more today than yesterday.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 17, 2012 06:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 17, 2012 06:45 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: GMan at October 17, 2012 10:45 AM (sxq57)
Yep.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 17, 2012 06:46 AM (4df7R)
I like how the troll changed his name after people pointed out that what Romney was losing was getting smaller and smaller.
If I find out it's fucking Average Joe I'm going to be pissed.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 17, 2012 06:46 AM (TpXEI)
Posted by: GMan at October 17, 2012 06:47 AM (sxq57)
Posted by: eman at October 17, 2012 06:47 AM (+XD7n)
What the "wizards of smart" (love that!) on the left don't realize is that watching the rigged debates makes the right more determined to work the phones, ring doorbells, and get their voters to the polls.
And because the left is basically lazy, which is why they are lefties in the first place and they vote for politicians that give them free stuff from somebody else's stash, well, lefties get all smug about a win in a rigged debate, and they are less likely to actually get around to voting.
So let them think they "won", and go back to sleep.
Posted by: Boots at October 17, 2012 06:47 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at October 17, 2012 06:49 AM (izA2D)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 06:49 AM (Dnbau)
And another thing, why do we get the weak sauce trolls around here? Back in 2008, and even moreso in 2004, the quality of the trolls was much higher.
Maybe in the last 8 years some of the smarter trolls have grown up and moved to the right? Haha
Posted by: Boots at October 17, 2012 06:50 AM (neKzn)
The thing I don't get about trollboy is what he thinks he's going to accomplish? What, does s/h/it think we're unhappy with last night's debate or something? So, like, we'd be really open to allowing our morale and dedication to be swayed by some dumbass who still doesn't realize s/h/it can use spaces in its username?
Is s/h/it high?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 17, 2012 06:51 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at October 17, 2012 06:52 AM (48wze)
George Will lost it a long time ago.
George Will has forgotten more about conservatism than most folks around here ever knew, including me. And he's smart enough to know a crude spoof post from the real thing.
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 06:53 AM (9KqcB)
Sullivan: "...his Benghazi answer was superb..."
It will look great juxtaposed with Obama's View appearance and UN speech in a TV commercial for Romney.
Posted by: Beagle at October 17, 2012 06:54 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Thunderb at October 17, 2012 10:49 AM (Dnbau)
There is that. But as they say, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Unless the stopped clock runs on military time, in which case it's right exactly once a day.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at October 17, 2012 06:54 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: State Department at October 17, 2012 06:56 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: ObamaLogic at October 17, 2012 06:57 AM (r6tXC)
Candy keep getting grilled, some might say rolled like a biscuit in every interview and looks like she is going to crack like an egg.
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 06:58 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at October 17, 2012 06:59 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: HtP at October 17, 2012 06:59 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 17, 2012 07:01 AM (JWLqy)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna at October 17, 2012 07:02 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at October 17, 2012 07:02 AM (izA2D)
CJ at October 17, 2012 10:53 AM (9KqcB)
George Will knows more about baseball than me but he is nothing but a beltway pundit. In other words, useless.
Posted by: polynikes at October 17, 2012 07:02 AM (m2CN7)
You blow your father with that mouth?
It was apparently clear to a majority of the country that Romney has a better command of the economy and more importantly superior ideas on how to create jobs and address our fiscal issues.
Mr. Obama on the other hand offered nothing new. Just some of the recycled promises from the last election...which he swears he really, really means this time. But he was aggressive. Whatever the frack that means.
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 07:03 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at October 17, 2012 07:05 AM (UU0OF)
Then Obama announces at the debate he supports a reinstatement of the AW ban on a federal level and nobody says a word about it?
Posted by: marcus at October 17, 2012 07:06 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Fritz at October 17, 2012 07:07 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: polynikes at October 17, 2012 11:02 AM (m2CN7)
You can't win this one dude. There are few writers who consistently weave historical references into an air-tight case for modern conservatism. There just aren't. There are few that win the Sunday morning roundtable discussions as consistently, and as piercingly as he.
He is guilty of being old. I'll give you that.
Posted by: CJ at October 17, 2012 07:08 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: LASue at October 17, 2012 07:13 AM (gjIQF)
Posted by: kawfytawk at October 17, 2012 07:15 AM (JWLqy)
However, Romney's Five Point Plan fails to consider the disproportionate expenses that more wars will incur.
Romney is wrong to assert for US Military bombing of Syrians where the entire nation is completely integrated, no isolated pockets of "foes" in Syria's integrated population. No humanitarian benefits will result through more harm than good according to NATO Deputy Secretary-General Alexander R. Vershbow (August address in Washington) warning against both "no fly zone" and "protective zone", unfeasible in Syria. Given the NATO Mandate "protect citizens" there is "no clear sort of division" between loyalist and opposition forces in Syria. Vershbow said, "This is predominantly an urban conflict. You could do more collateral damage than good" if NATO attempted to strike Syrian forces from the air in protection of civilians." (Air Force Magazine, Oct 2012)
Whatever "jobs" that the war industry increases stateside can never compensate for the massive increase in our national debt from wars, especially when our NATO members fail to pay their share in wars that THEY demand our US Military conduct without their share of participation and their share of financial funding. Stocks are supposed to be refilled, and are not being refilled by our NATO members; only by US taxpayers.
How can you balance (or nearly) the budget and cut Middle American taxes while starting more wars than have already spread our Military so thin?
Compound that economic problem of overspending with the Federal Reserve bailing out the Euro destroying the US Dollar value.
"I won't write any checks to Europe" fails to prevent the Federal Reserve from doing that and worse.
As if Congress or the next President will contain their own over spending, let alone the Federal Reserve's over printing. Hope is not a plan.
There is no virtue from trusting a revisionist messiah. Hitler, Mussolini and Obama are among those who have proven that truth.
Yes. I will vote for Romney, the candidate who earns good grades from what research he accomplishes. I would that his foreign policy advisers were not limited to neoconservatives. Nation building by any other name is a disaster for the American tax paying citizenry and an offensive constitutional abuse of our great Military.
http://tinyurl.com/c9mgm5v
See "Restrepo" the documentary that chronicles one year of a US Platoon in the Afghanistan Korengal Valley, by Hetherington and Juner who embedded with the soldiers. Army Maj. Dan Kearney, who was in charge of the platoon to which Hetherington was attached, told ABC News from Afghanistan that Hetherington was a "brother" whose documentary work was applauded by "more than a million soldiers who were there for him and cheering for him."
April 20, 2011: Award-winning war photographers Tim Heterington and Chris Hondros were killed by a rocket propelled grenade in the besieged Libyan city of Misurata.
RIP
Posted by: panzernashorn at October 17, 2012 07:21 AM (BAnPT)
Posted by: steevy at October 17, 2012 10:09 AM (6o4Fb)
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