March 27, 2012

While You Were Distracted, the Obama Administration Banned New Coal-Fired Power Plants
— andy

Classic misdirection. You were paying attention to the left hand proclaiming a GOP War on Women and ginning up a lynch mob in Florida while the other left hand was quietly going about its business.

The Environmental Protection Agency will issue the first limits on greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants as early as Tuesday, according to several people briefed on the proposal. The move could end the construction of conventional coal-fired facilities in the United States.

The proposed rule — years in the making and approved by the White House after months of review — will require any new power plant to emit no more than 1,000 pounds of carbon dioxide per megawatt of electricity produced. The average U.S. natural gas plant, which emits 800 to 850 pounds of CO2 per megawatt, meets that standard; coal plants emit an average of 1,768 pounds of carbon dioxide per megawatt.

All in pursuit of solving a fake "crisis" ginned up by the neo-Malthusian left using faulty computer models. Wonderful.

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1 Maybe someone should write a book called Obama's Brain about Axelrod.

Posted by: Blaster at March 27, 2012 03:45 AM (Fw2Gg)

2
First!

Posted by: Baraka O'Stumblefuck at March 27, 2012 03:45 AM (TkGkA)

3 When all of the current coal fired plants have to close where are we going to
get power generation from?

These people are insane and dangerously incompetent!

Posted by: McLovin at March 27, 2012 03:47 AM (j0IcY)

4 3ed world rolling blackout here we come!

Posted by: Jack at March 27, 2012 03:47 AM (A+59T)

5 More executive fiat after the Congress said no.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 03:49 AM (YdQQY)

6 @5

Congress?

What's That?


Posted by: McLovin at March 27, 2012 03:52 AM (j0IcY)

7

Except for the fact that thousands would die, i'd like to see us shutdown all the power from the coal fired power plants for one hour of one day. 

It might remind these idiots what they are really trying to do. 

 

Posted by: rd at March 27, 2012 03:53 AM (9sUlj)

8 Oil and nat gas plants also emit CO2.  In fact, burning of fossil fuels supply 75% of our electricity. And since the watermelons will not allow any more dams to be built no more hydro either. And since nukes are evil no more nukes either.  And since candles make CO2 no candles for seeing in the dark.

So all you morons must sit in the dark and praise GAIA.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 03:54 AM (YdQQY)

9 How do ya like me now, BITCHES!!!

Posted by: Barnak the Horrible at March 27, 2012 03:54 AM (8ieXv)

10

 

A conservative Houston newspaper is at the centre of scandal after it was revealed one of its reporters has been working overtime - as a stripper.

 
Sarah Tressler, 29, began writing for the Houston Chronicle's society pages last April.

 
But her double life has apparently brought some unwanted attention for the media outlet after a rival newspaper brought her story to light...


Buttoned up: Sarah Tressler advertises herself as an adjunct professor at the University of Houston who holds a master's degree in journalism from NYU, on LinkedIn...


tinyurl.com/c7gguur

Posted by: Zombie Shane at March 27, 2012 03:55 AM (F5Rm1)

11 Though I loathe the Democrats, the one thing you have to say is when they
control the levers of power they run shit!

They're running us into the ground, but when the say jump the GOP just says
do you prefer us to suck or blow!

Posted by: McLovin at March 27, 2012 03:56 AM (j0IcY)

12 Some classic tweets from Trevon Fuck a bitch. Any bitch you want? take yo pick, but you gone have to take yo time. Lol so daisha think she a boss caus she walkd in class late 2day...... i do dateveryday TrueJetMissus: I want some head ! Sheesh

Posted by: Jimmah at March 27, 2012 04:02 AM (UpwlP)

13 Actually I'd say that when the Democrats control the levers they take a hammer to the machine.

Posted by: dogfish at March 27, 2012 04:02 AM (N2yhW)

14 Coal plants, out. Nukes out. Breach the dams. Wind too noisy and kills birds and spoils the view for Kennedys. Out. Solar kills lizards in the desert. Out. Enjoy the new Hobbesian world, people. The new Dark Ages are coming. Niven got it right in Fallen Angels.

Posted by: Blaster at March 27, 2012 04:03 AM (Fw2Gg)

15 Oh, and Zombie Shane, excellent distraction.

Posted by: Blaster at March 27, 2012 04:04 AM (Fw2Gg)

16 @13

Hammer and Sickle!





Posted by: McLovin at March 27, 2012 04:05 AM (j0IcY)

17 Remember rolling blackouts as a kid?  Yeah, me neither.  It was a different mindset then.  Now instead of trying to be better than the third world, we try to emulate the third world.

Posted by: dogfish at March 27, 2012 04:07 AM (N2yhW)

18 If you like your electricity...

Posted by: Barnak the Horrible at March 27, 2012 04:08 AM (8ieXv)

19 You were paying attention to the left hand...

Do we not pay Republican Congress people very well to watch the right hand?

Posted by: Typical White Person at March 27, 2012 04:11 AM (EL+OC)

20 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 04:11 AM (8y9MW)

21

Quit bitchin' and take your medicine!

Posted by: Carnac the Magnificent at March 27, 2012 04:12 AM (TkGkA)

22 Do basically the EPA can just ban an entire industry by fiat? Wtf country am I in?

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 27, 2012 04:13 AM (mhMA4)

23 A conservative Houston newspaper is at the centre of scandal after it was revealed one of its reporters has been working overtime - as a stripper.

Well, it's good that at least one journalist has another marketable skill.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 04:13 AM (8y9MW)

24 Wtf country am I in?

USSA.

Posted by: Typical White Person at March 27, 2012 04:14 AM (EL+OC)

25 I have said this repeatedly,  he will not be happy until we are wandering the landscape barefoot and in rags,  fighting for scraps with the dogs.

How is Indiana supposed to get power?  The greenies gin up scares about nuclear,  we don't have hydroelectric possibilities like in Washington State, we don't have large natural gas resources,  and the winters go for weeks at a time with cloud cover,  precluding solar.

Thanks for the information,  Andy.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 27, 2012 04:14 AM (GoIUi)

26 Damn.  We got blindsided again!  You know, these solidarity hoodies they handed out really kill your peripheral vision. 

Posted by: Congress at March 27, 2012 04:16 AM (QjSgY)

27 In Soviet America, flexibility good to f*ck you.

Posted by: Comrade Obama at March 27, 2012 04:16 AM (/ZZCn)

28 I think it's time for the States to re-assert their power as the arbiters of the Constitution and just start ignoring everything the EPA says.

Texas, OK, IN, etc., should turn to developers and electrical engineering companies and say, "F Them.  Build anyway.  If someone comes knocking on your door, send them to us."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 04:16 AM (8y9MW)

29 I wish they would AllenG, I really do because I believe that is what it is going to take.

Posted by: dogfish at March 27, 2012 04:18 AM (N2yhW)

30 Buffet owns most of the coal trains. They deliver the evil coal to the west coast to ship to China.

Posted by: Typical White Person at March 27, 2012 04:20 AM (EL+OC)

31 The great irony being that government meddling is slowed the building of gas fired plants for decades.

Posted by: kdny at March 27, 2012 04:21 AM (vrYVY)

32 These people are crazy, let's try to look at some numbers using New York City

NYC uses 11,000 MW a day.

Using the Roscoe wind farm in Texas as an example for power generation; It generates 780 MW on 100,000 acres. It would take 14 such farms to power NYC on 1.4 Million acres.

This crap is not going to scale well, or end well.

Posted by: McLovin at March 27, 2012 04:22 AM (j0IcY)

33 If I had a lump of coal, it would look like Obama. . . . oops

Posted by: NO_LIMIT_NINJA at March 27, 2012 04:22 AM (3xhdx)

34 Well, if I owned a coal mining operation or plant, I'd tell the EPA and by extension SCOAMF to fuck off (in the nicest possible way, of course) and go about my business. Before that, I'd withdraw all my money and put it in an offshore bank somewhere where the DoJ can't get at it. To hell with this tyranny. Let them try and come after us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 04:23 AM (Af3Wg)

35 28 I think it's time for the States to re-assert their power as the arbiters of the Constitution and just start ignoring everything the EPA says. Texas, OK, IN, etc., should turn to developers and electrical engineering companies and say, "F Them. Build anyway. If someone comes knocking on your door, send them to us." Nuh uh! Your state's cheap electricity production impacts the cost of electricity in neighboring states, therefore commerce clause!

Posted by: Justices Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsberg, Breyer, and maybe Kennedy at March 27, 2012 04:23 AM (659DL)

36
How is Indiana supposed to get power? The greenies gin up scares about nuclear, we don't have hydroelectric possibilities like in Washington State, we don't have large natural gas resources, and the winters go for weeks at a time with cloud cover, precluding solar.

Thanks for the information, Andy.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 27, 2012 08:14 AM (GoIUi)


The year I lived there the wind never stopped blowing. So you could cut down all the corn and erect a few million bird Cuisinarts.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at March 27, 2012 04:24 AM (7+pP9)

37 I guess it's easier to keep control of a population if they don't have a good source of energy. In fact, the government will conveniently be controlling the energy as it gets rarer. They will be able to determine who gets heat and ac. They will be able to determine who gets power for their business and who can get internet access.

If you're terrified to speak up or out because the government controls your healthcare and energy. Well, you pretty much are the same as any soviet peasant or other slave, aren't you?

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2012 04:27 AM (CMM9V)

38 Nuh uh! Your state's cheap electricity production impacts the cost of electricity in neighboring states, therefore commerce clause!

Did you miss the part where I said the States should be determining what the Constitution means?  Yeah, the unwritten portion there was that they could also tell SCOTUS where to stick it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 04:28 AM (8y9MW)

39

A conservative Houston newspaper ...

 

 

Hardly.  The Comical is a lefty as can be.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2012 04:28 AM (4q5tP)

40 Tyranny, pure and simple. 

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2012 04:29 AM (GjDnP)

41 But but but, this is good for the po' folks, right? I mean, it's not like limiting the amount of energy available will make prices go up for everybody and disproportionately hit those with less, right? I mean, he's helping the people! They won't have to live in the world with all that nasty carbon, right?

Right?!

SCOAMT.

Posted by: Miller at March 27, 2012 04:29 AM (qX32F)

42

This is why I'm not afraid to move to a 3rd world country for retirement.  It's going to be just like home.  Only with more freedom.  Probably better health care.  And people are more casual about "raaaaacism." 

Right now the place I have in mind has electricity 1/2 of the day.  You store up juice in your inverter system during that time to keep things up and going.  Given that it's in the tropics, that's fine with me.  I don't really need AC.  But if I have to install batteries and an inverter up here in Michigan to keep the furnace on, well, this angry white man is going to get a lot angrier.

I really, really hate the libtards.  Each one should die in a fire.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 04:31 AM (xUM1Q)

43 Forget your congressmen and Senators- start spamming your governors and state legislators.

This needs to end.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 04:32 AM (8y9MW)

44 In 2013 they'll be touting how they reduced electricity use by 17%. Mostly through billing related disconnections.

Posted by: Jimmah at March 27, 2012 04:35 AM (UpwlP)

45 If the Republicans had any balls they would pounding this commie bastard day and night. Pound him hard, pound him long, pound him now. And then pound some more. No rest until after November.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 04:35 AM (i6RpT)

46

28 AllenG,we as Americans need to take care of this ourselves.I am a small businessman(contractor,mostly roofing),the last time I had somebody from OSHA stop by my job(I was doing a roof right next to the Fed courthouse and they saw me from a office window)they were none too politilely told to fuck off.

 

 

The little maggott actually threatened to call the Sheriff,I said ,please do.He then started asking me for my personal information.I just laughed in his face and told him to get the fuck off my jobsite.Unless these assholes want to start a scene at every jobsite they visit,they should be told in no uncertain terms to FOAD.We need to take this country back from these assholes,and doing it politely ain't gonna cut it.

Posted by: vae victus at March 27, 2012 04:36 AM (cpMdE)

47 Did you miss the part where I said the States should be determining what the Constitution means? Yeah, the unwritten portion there was that they could also tell SCOTUS where to stick it. Allen- Oh, I know, and I agree. I'd love to see more states challenging this crap.

Posted by: Yeager at March 27, 2012 04:36 AM (659DL)

48 The little maggott actually threatened to call the Sheriff,I said ,please do.He then started asking me for my personal information.I just laughed in his face and told him to get the fuck off my jobsite.Unless these assholes want to start a scene at every jobsite they visit,they should be told in no uncertain terms to FOAD.We need to take this country back from these assholes,and doing it politely ain't gonna cut it.

I know we'll probably end up there, but I thought we'd take the novel approach of having the entities that are supposed to be the defenders of our Liberties from a tyrannical Federal Government (that is: the States) actually try to step up and perform that function for once.

Heck, unless something major changes, I expect a shooting war within the next 100 years (and probably a lot less than that).  I'm just hoping for that "something major" to change.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 04:40 AM (8y9MW)

49

**Sniff**Snif**

Barky treated her badly

*

http://tinyurl.com/d4cj6vl

*

Scrunt gets what she deserves for voting for the stimulus. Good riddance.

Posted by: dananjcon at March 27, 2012 04:42 AM (8ieXv)

50 The media will try to find a way to blame the Republicans for the rolling blackouts, so no worries, right?

Every day this government finds a new way to piss me off.

Posted by: brian at March 27, 2012 04:43 AM (y05cf)

51 Great. Gas prices are skyrocketing and now so will electric prices. But somehow it won't be Barry's fault.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2012 04:44 AM (1Jaio)

52 23 A conservative Houston newspaper is at the centre of scandal after it
was revealed one of its reporters has been working overtime - as a
stripper.


Well, it's good that at least one journalist has another marketable skill.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 08:13 AM

I'd trust the word of a stripper over a journalist.  Too bad she sounds like the bitchiest lap dancer ever.

Posted by: fozzy at March 27, 2012 04:46 AM (FEzSe)

53 Tyranny by hillbillies: I took my mom 2 hrs south of St. Louis for our annual Spring cemetery tour, and to check out a parcel of land with a spring near where she was born. Free outpost, right? Wrong. Got stuck in the mud. A man called a tow truck for me. Then he called his pals to watch. Then he told me I'd better wait for the fed ranger he called, who came and wrote me a ticket for tire tracks repair in the damn weeds and getting off the gravel road. Probably the biggest event they had for many Sundays. My mom asked the people who drove up to stand and watch why they didn't get some popcorn.

Posted by: Justamom at March 27, 2012 04:46 AM (Sptt8)

54

They are already shutting down a bunch of plants in PA.

 

It's cool, we'll use solar even though it's only sunny like 100 days a year.  We can always fall back on wind, even though it's not really windy here.

 

Luckily for us, the Pennsylvania forests are brimming with Unicorns. We can harness their farts to power our homes and electric cars.

Posted by: Ben at March 27, 2012 04:47 AM (wuv1c)

55

It's a madhouse!  Mad! House!

Posted by: Count "Taylor" de Monet at March 27, 2012 04:47 AM (4q5tP)

56 45 If the Republicans had any balls they would pounding this commie bastard day and night. Pound him hard, pound him long, pound him now. And then pound some more. No rest until after November.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 08:35 AM (i6RpT)


Please do not use the words balls and pounding in the same sentence when talking about Barack. 

Posted by: fozzy at March 27, 2012 04:48 AM (FEzSe)

57 Heck, unless something major changes, I expect a shooting war within the next 100 years (and probably a lot less than that). I'm just hoping for that "something major" to change.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 08:40 AM (8y9MW)

 

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Maybe so.  The questions is, how many on our side will have to die before we defend ourselves?  And given our almost complete lack of organization, how long will it take the government funded gangs of thugs to kill us off wholesale?  If the self-preservation instinct of conservatives in general were really working correctly, we'd already be forming militias.  Instead we're like so many other groups who assumed that their fellow citizens wouldn't really go so far as to murder them.  I hope we don't meet the same fate.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 04:48 AM (xUM1Q)

58

"Posted by: NO_LIMIT_NINJA ..."

*golf clap*

Posted by: Warthog at March 27, 2012 04:49 AM (WDySP)

59 Russian President Dmitry Medvedev reacted to the remarks of US Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney who described Russia as "number one geopolitical foe" of US, Monday on CNN. "I would recommend to all US presidential candidates to be reasonable and use their head, said Medvedev Russian agencies in Seoul."We are in 2012 and not the mid-1970s." Well Romney is way off on that one. First of all obama is public enemy #1. Start there and then move on

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 04:52 AM (i6RpT)

60 Instead we're like so many other groups who assumed that their fellow citizens wouldn't really go so far as to murder them


We put a lot of faith in the idea that our military won't fire on us...

Posted by: real joe at March 27, 2012 04:53 AM (w7Lv+)

61 ((justamom))

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 04:54 AM (Ho2rs)

62 French police announced Monday that they had obtained copies of videos shot by Merah during the killing spree, which took place in and around Toulouse, leaving seven dead, including three children. Merah, who was shot by police Thursday following a 32-hour siege at his Toulouse apartment, was originally thought to have sent the footage on a USB memory stick, along with a note claiming the attacks in the name al Qaeda, to Al Jazeera's office in Paris. But a police source told AFP on Tuesday that an accomplice of Merah must have sent the footage as it was posted Wednesday from outside Toulouse, while Merah was under siege at his home. Police also announced that they were hunting for a third person who may have been involved in the theft of the scooter used by Merah. So remember, even though he had all this help?, he was a lone wolf?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 04:57 AM (i6RpT)

63 Comrades, we have enough algae to meet our energy needs for the next 30 seconds so there is no need to worry

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2012 04:57 AM (1Jaio)

64 More attention has to be given to this Critical Race Theory. It is anti-capitalist, anti-constitution, anti-white. It is the framework for all his goals. It's pro-redistribution, etc. Everything we know about him fits smoothly into Derrik Bell's theory. These white liberals should be frightened by it.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2012 04:57 AM (CMM9V)

65

"The media will try to find a way to blame the Republicans for the rolling blackouts, so no worries, right?"

 

No, they'll find 50 ways in which rolling blackouts are actually a good thing.

Posted by: 66chevelle at March 27, 2012 04:58 AM (QjSgY)

66 Suckers of cock.

Posted by: toby928© at March 27, 2012 04:58 AM (GTbGH)

67 If you want your electricity, you can keep your electricity. Now go get on your fucking bicycle, Gilligan!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 04:59 AM (Af3Wg)

68 Blackouts? WHITEOUTS!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 04:59 AM (Af3Wg)

69 Soon we will be able to walk to another country and see the wonderfull "lectricity" of the future.

Posted by: bikemike at March 27, 2012 05:01 AM (ixlEk)

70

Posted by: 66chevelle at March 27, 2012 08:58 AM (QjSgY)

 

Contingent on who is President at the time the rolling blackouts actually occur, so it might go down your way, brian.

Posted by: 66chevelle at March 27, 2012 05:02 AM (QjSgY)

71

I have said this repeatedly, he will not be happy until we are wandering the landscape barefoot and in rags, fighting for scraps with the dogs.<<<<

 

Of such desperate souls are armies forged. Join my Death's Head Legions today and be part of my leadership cadre.

 

Extra brown liquor ration and a credit at the Pleasure Battalion for referring a friend.

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:02 AM (kEj+5)

72

Don't make me move to Canada, you wouldn't like me if I moved to Canada. 

 

Posted by: dananjcon Hulk at March 27, 2012 05:03 AM (8ieXv)

73 Fewer jobs. Higher prices. Whether Congress likes it or not. Obama 2012.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at March 27, 2012 05:04 AM (X3KAb)

74

Each time,  he crosses the line just a little bit further than the last time.  And each time, our Republican leadership plays along  in  the loyal opposition role.

 

Look back.  Could this have happened in March 2009?

 

USA Constitution = Mr. Creosote.  "And finally, a wafer thin mint." - Maitre 'd Obama

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 27, 2012 05:05 AM (4q5tP)

75 the Obama Administration Banned New Coal-Fired Power Plants —/Coal is Black, requiring racists to burn it, regardless of need./


Back in the '60s, air purification federal environmental requirements on the mining industry (closing many mining companies financially unable to comply) brought about the technology used today. Top the clean technology with "clean" coal, and Obama's ban proves preposterous.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:08 AM (lpWVn)

76 We put a lot of faith in the idea that our military won't fire on us...

Posted by: real joe at March 27, 2012 08:53 AM (w7Lv+)

 

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I think most troops, and the officer class, will not be eager to do that.  But there are indeed those people in the forces, especially among the affirmative action crowd, that would do it.  Those types can be recruited for special units.  Einsatzgruppen, if you will.

The police in smaller communities are probably OK.  But big city police - I know which side they'll be on.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 05:08 AM (xUM1Q)

77

Head-spinning news from NASA. Sorta breaks the narrative:

tinyurl.com/6rdou6x

Posted by: Bill In CT at March 27, 2012 05:09 AM (Uf5Bp)

78 Top the clean technology with "clean" coal, and Obama's ban proves preposterous.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 09:08 AM (lpWVn)

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And he would take credit for that as well.

Posted by: dananjcon Hulk at March 27, 2012 05:09 AM (8ieXv)

79 Don't make me move to Canada, you wouldn't like me if I moved to Canada.
--
Canada boasts constitutionally protected prostitution.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:10 AM (lpWVn)

80 Electoral victory without energy is preposterous.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:11 AM (lpWVn)

81 I think most troops, and the officer class, will not be eager to do that.

Yeah, but however much they say (and even believe) that they're supposed to defend the Constitution, how many of them have actually been trained that they "follow orders" above all?

We've all seen the studies were some dude issues an electric shock to someone, just because a 3rd person in a lab coat says so.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:11 AM (8y9MW)

82 I think most troops, and the officer class, will not be eager to do that. But there are indeed those people in the forces, especially among the affirmative action crowd, that would do it. Those types can be recruited for special units. Einsatzgruppen, if you will. The police in smaller communities are probably OK. But big city police - I know which side they'll be on. Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 09:08 AM (xUM1Q) ???? Not sure what your talking about, but if your intimating US Military Personal would do something like that, your way off.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:11 AM (i6RpT)

83

So would this be an Obama promise that didn't have an expiration date?

 

Heck, unless something major changes, I expect a shooting war within the next 100 years (and probably a lot less than that).

 

I think you accidentally added a zero to that.  And, no, I'm not joking.  I am actually full of despair and tea, but mainly despair, over the direction of this country. 

 

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:12 AM (VtjlW)

84 I think you accidentally added a zero to that. And, no, I'm not joking.

I know you're not joking.  I put the low end at 5 - 7 years, so it's a big range.  I think, even without massive, fundamental changes it can be put off for a generation or two.  But I don't think it can be put off any longer than that without those massive, fundamental changes.

If things keep going as they are, I'd guess more between 5 & 15 years.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:14 AM (8y9MW)

85 We put a lot of faith in the idea that our military won't fire on us...

If Obamacare is declared constitutional then the Constitution is effectively dead. If the Constitution is dead, there's really no reason for the military to accept the President's authority as CiC is there?

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 05:14 AM (Nq/UF)

86 When you have time, and if you are interested in the back story behind all of this, Google (or whatever) "sustainability United Nations" and/or "Agenda 21".
Very self-explanatory, very out in the open.
The US has member participation in all of their panels and decision making.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 05:14 AM (BoE3Z)

87 our military won't fire on us...
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Our all volunteer Military consists to a growing/large extent of non-US-citizen mercenaries.

Also, the line between the CIA and US Military isn't a separation in leadership/agenda any more.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:15 AM (lpWVn)

88

"If the Republicans had any balls they would pounding this commie bastard day and night. Pound him hard, pound him long, pound him now. And then pound some more. No rest until after November. "

 

Deep Philosophical Thought  'o' the Day:  If a Republican pounds the SCFOAMF night and day at the top of his lungs and the MSM isn't there to report it, did it actually happen?

 

Trick question.  The MSM will twist the statement into something it's not, play the shit out of THAT,  and call him a racist to boot.

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 05:15 AM (4I3Uo)

89 Of such desperate souls are armies forged. Join my Death's Head Legions today and be part of my leadership cadre.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 09:02 AM (kEj+5)

 

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All hail Emperor Jeff.  I prefer his rightist tyranny to the leftist tyranny that is spreading its black shroud over the land.  Especially if there's room for advancement and a clear liquor ration...

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 05:15 AM (xUM1Q)

90 Just wait until after the election Eric. Then we will have the flexibility to deal with those rebellious States without worrying about elections.
 
Remember when I compared myself to Lincoln? Uh, yeah.

Posted by: King Barry The Magnanimous at March 27, 2012 05:15 AM (ccXZP)

91 Nice little sneak attack from the Administration.  Too bad our guys are too busy attacking each other to notice.  And bored reporters are too busy trying to get Santorum to scream one of the seven dirty words at them to focus on mundane things like jobs and the economy ... http://bit.ly/qVdDUt

Posted by: ombdz at March 27, 2012 05:16 AM (2DpoY)

92 Our all volunteer Military consists to a growing/large extent of non-US-citizen mercenaries. That's not true

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:16 AM (i6RpT)

93

Our all volunteer Military consists to a growing/large extent of non-US-citizen mercenaries.

Could you give me details???

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 27, 2012 05:18 AM (mFxQX)

94 Any regs on dead birds per megawatt produced?

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2012 05:19 AM (z9HTb)

95 I second the suggestion. Read Agenda 21. Then forward to your friends and family. My suburban city is implementing it. You can do a search to see if yours is. Yet.

Posted by: Justamom at March 27, 2012 05:19 AM (Sptt8)

96 approved by the White House after months of review

Yeah, I'm sure Barky was crunching the numbers on an "acceptable" level of CO2 per MW night after night. 1000 pounds. I'd love to see the Mannian math behind that arbitrary cutoff point.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 27, 2012 05:20 AM (w/anX)

97 Our all volunteer Military consists to a growing/large extent of non-US-citizen mercenaries. Could you give me details??? Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 27, 2012 09:18 AM (mFxQX) It is NOT in any way true

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:20 AM (i6RpT)

98 So obama wants to give away 2 of the things we have the most of and are important to us: Coal and Nuclear Weapons?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:22 AM (i6RpT)

99 92 Nice little sneak attack from the Administration.

So predictable, the old tricks are the best tricks for the Left. The media magic is always distraction and misdirection.
The bloody shirt waving re poor poor Trayvon.
Ricky S. and his naughty word.
It's easy to play this country.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 05:22 AM (BoE3Z)

100 ???? Not sure what your talking about, but if your intimating US Military Personal would do something like that, your way off.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 09:11 AM (i6RpT)

 

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One close friend of mine was in the Army 15 years ago, and two good friends in the Navy as recently as 6 years ago.  They all knew people in the forces who expressed eagerness to pump some lead into their "oppressors."  Military service is not an immunization against the entitlement mentality - plenty of inner city types are only in it for the college money and escape from the slums.  They didn't magically become Rightists in basic training.

I'm not just pulling this out of my rear end - this was told to me by 3 people who served in two different branches, who have no motivation to lie to me.  I'm not saying it's common - but it's there.  Just like in any other group of people.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 05:22 AM (xUM1Q)

101 80 Don't make me move to Canada, you wouldn't like me if I moved to Canada.
--
Canada boasts constitutionally protected prostitution.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 09:10 AM (lpWVn)

**

Throw in a lifetime supply of Molson Golden and I'm there!

**

GO LEAFS!!!!

Posted by: dananjcon Hulk at March 27, 2012 05:22 AM (8ieXv)

102 More soft tyranny, this time in NYC (nydailynews):
 
THE CITYÂ’S HEFTY $340 fee for a gun permit is constitutional, a judge declared Monday.

Gun advocates claimed the fee to keep a legal gun in the home — $340 initially and for a renewal every three years — violated the Second Amendment right to bear arms because it was “exorbitant.”

 
http://tinyurl.com/d6y5sxl
 
This decision was by a Fed district court judge. He said the fee was reasonable. I wouldn't live in NY if you held a gun you're not supposed to have against my head.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 27, 2012 05:22 AM (ccXZP)

103

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 09:20 AM (i6RpT)

 

I know it is not true.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 27, 2012 05:22 AM (mFxQX)

104

I think it's time for the States to re-assert their power as the arbiters of the Constitution and just start ignoring everything the EPA says.



 

I'd go after the delegation doctrine at the same time. I know, I know, that's the largest possible windmill at which I can tilt but this lovely system where Congress dumps off its authority to agencies that then use the rule making process to implement rules that have the full force and effect of a duly passed law needs to stop and stop right the hell now.  Either its a law, in which case it must be passed through the legislative process, or it's a guideline and should not permit me to be shot for violation thereof. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:23 AM (VtjlW)

105 10 - future Fox News girl?

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2012 05:23 AM (WkuV6)

106 >>When all of the current coal fired plants have to close where are we going to
get power generation from?

Gonna strap white fat kids to treadmills. 

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 27, 2012 05:24 AM (ZKzrr)

107 Report: Shots fired toward Assad during visit in Homs Syrian president paid a visit to the defeated rebel stronghold of Baba Amr on Tuesday when shots were reportedly fired toward him and his entourage. ??? Yeah I'd take reports like that with a grain of salt. More likely Assad arranged those shots so he can crack down further. When the shots actually hit Assad, call me

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:24 AM (i6RpT)

108 An unfortunate but very well thought out piece on the military vs civilian question.
http://tinyurl.com/47vhrnj

Posted by: citizen khan at March 27, 2012 05:24 AM (rjSXf)

109 It's a good thing that Air Force One or the separate plane that Aunt Esther flies or Barry's big fleet of armored limos doesn't use any of that nasty evil fuel but rather is powered by unicorn farts. Oh those wonderful liberals are so energy efficient

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2012 05:24 AM (1Jaio)

110 Obama just said "fuck Pennsylvania".  He'd better make sure his New & Improved Black Panther Party ushers all of Philly to the polling stations.

Posted by: yinzer at March 27, 2012 05:24 AM (/Mla1)

111 nevergiveup/Velvet Ambition

Official Enlistment Statistics. Do your own research before the kneejerk denial. Many non-US citizens join the US Military for their own reasons. There is no discrediting that fact which of itself is not necessarily a threat. However,  the reliance upon non-US citizens to protect and defend the US Constitution, armed and trained in the world's finest military organization to follow orders, kill and destroy, is not always wise.  Historically, under such conditions Rome fell.


Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:25 AM (lpWVn)

112 Hey, semi-on-topic: Does anyone remember (off the top of your head) the SCOTUS case in which SCOTUS usurped the power to decide the constitutionality of laws passed by Congress?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:26 AM (8y9MW)

113 The NBPP was upped their 'reward' offer on Zimmerman to $1 million. (Breitbart link):
 
http://tinyurl.com/7cvf39t

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 27, 2012 05:26 AM (ccXZP)

114 86 We put a lot of faith in the idea that our military won't fire on us... If Obamacare is declared constitutional then the Constitution is effectively dead. If the Constitution is dead, there's really no reason for the military to accept the President's authority as CiC is there? Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 09:14 AM (Nq/UF) Ever see the movie "SEVEN DAYS IN MAY?" It was directed by John Frankenheimer, whose movie before this was "THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE." That is very fucking weird.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 27, 2012 05:27 AM (Af3Wg)

115 I'm not saying it's common - but it's there. Just like in any other group of people. Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 09:22 AM (xUM1Q) Are there nuts in the US Military, sure. And I would bet it was more common 15-20 years ago when Gang members joining the US Military was more common, but there has been a concerted effort to weed them out. But to make any kind of statement that there is any organized thinking in the US Military to rise up and kill American Citizens is just nuts.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:27 AM (i6RpT)

116 I'd go after the delegation doctrine at the same time

I agree.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:28 AM (8y9MW)

117

Does anyone remember (off the top of your head) the SCOTUS case in which SCOTUS usurped the power to decide the constitutionality of laws passed by Congress?

 

Marbury v. Madison. As PJ O'Rourke puts it, every lawyer cites it when arguing before the Supremes because it's like telling your wife her dress is nice before you go out.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:28 AM (VtjlW)

118 Hey, semi-on-topic: Does anyone remember (off the top of your head) the SCOTUS case in which SCOTUS usurped the power to decide the constitutionality of laws passed by Congress?

You mean Marbury v Madison?

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 05:28 AM (Nq/UF)

119 And those statistics are?

My brother in law is a green card holder and in the Army. So I know they exist...

Posted by: Paul Anka at March 27, 2012 05:28 AM (xAtAj)

120 I was thinking about the later Roman Empire and its ever-increasing use of non-Roman/Italian troops to defend it.
That didn't end well for Rome, according to Gibbon.
Not taking a side here in this debate about our current military, just saying that reliance on a military not deeply invested in the structure they defend is historically a poor idea.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 05:29 AM (BoE3Z)

121 >>THE CITYÂ’S HEFTY $340 fee for a gun permit is constitutional

But requiring a free ID violates the 24th Amendment?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 27, 2012 05:29 AM (ZKzrr)

122 Tyranny in upstate NY: Is this true? My cousin told me that after advertising his house for rent for some period unsuccessfully, the state put section 8 dwellers in it. He had no say, and couldn't visit w/o 48 hrs notice and specific purpose. His house was trashed and he says the govt took it from him because it was a crime scene? Is this true? I can't believe it. Anyone know?

Posted by: Justamom at March 27, 2012 05:30 AM (Sptt8)

123 The NBPP was upped their 'reward' offer on Zimmerman to $1 million. (Breitbart link):

I don't believe it for a second, but I'm willing to grant (for the sake of argument) that the first, $10,000 "reward," was purely rhetorical.  Once you increase the dollar amount, isn't there an implicit "Yes, we're serious" involved?  And if there is, why aren't they being arrested and tried for solicitation of Kidnapping/Murder?

Oh.  Yeah.  Eric Holder is still Attorney General.  Nevermind.

Watergate did not have a body count.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:30 AM (8y9MW)

124 Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 09:25 AM (lpWVn) A) Sure there are "Some" non-citizens in the Military, always have been. And those I have met are there for all the right reasons and usually are using it towards a path to Citizenship. But even their numbers are small. B) And to call them Mercenaries is crazy.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:30 AM (i6RpT)

125 So surely requiring a $200 ID to vote (exercise another Constitutional Right) is OK.

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2012 05:30 AM (WkuV6)

126 Marbury v. Madison.

That'd be it.  I knew I'd know it once someone wrote it down.  Doesn't it always work that way?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:31 AM (8y9MW)

127 But to make any kind of statement that there is any organized thinking in the US Military to rise up and kill American Citizens is just nuts.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 09:27 AM (i6RpT)

 

 

 

I'm not suggesting the 'organized thinking' is in place now.  But I'm saying the raw material is in there if the administration wants to tap it.  You don't need very many dedicated zealots to do a lot of harm. 

Hopefully Obie will be out soon, and all this will be moot for a while again.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 05:31 AM (xUM1Q)

128 I couldn't get the fine details from my cousin because as soon as he told me "It's all Bush's fault" I said "Gotta Go!"

Posted by: Justamom at March 27, 2012 05:31 AM (Sptt8)

129 nevergiveup/Velvet Ambition

It's odd that you'd jump on a fact as if a lie. Many non-US-citizens join the US Military as an opportunity to become US Citizens. But enlistment of itself does not bestow citizenship; and while serving, non-American citizens function as mercenaries: "Hired for service in a foreign army."

Of the two points I referenced, I'd have expected someone to deny that there's any collaboration between the CIA and the US Military.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:32 AM (lpWVn)

130 And yet coal country states continue to elect Democrats. Unbelievable.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 27, 2012 05:33 AM (RD7QR)

131 I'm not suggesting the 'organized thinking' is in place now. But I'm saying the raw material is in there if the administration wants to tap it. You don't need very many dedicated zealots to do a lot of harm. Hopefully Obie will be out soon, and all this will be moot for a while again. Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 09:31 AM (xUM1Q) Sorry I don't see it that way.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:33 AM (i6RpT)

132 B) And to call them Mercenaries is crazy.
--
There's politically correct revisionism: nevergiveup.

Visit a dictionary.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:34 AM (lpWVn)

133 you used to have to apply to be a section 8 landlord......i wasn't aware that it could be forced on you

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 05:35 AM (Ho2rs)

134 >>I mean, it's not like limiting the amount of energy available will make prices go up for everybody and disproportionately hit those with less, right?

Your food stamps already make you eligible for heat subsidies in states with winters.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 05:35 AM (ZKzrr)

135 An election won't solve anything.  These criminals need to be jailed.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 05:35 AM (X3lox)

136 Before the election Obama said he was going to bankrupt anyone using a coal powered plant. I screamed and yelled and wrote in to the coal mining unions and the newspapers in mining states. It didn't matter. The idiots still voted for and endorsed Obama.

Posted by: Lauren at March 27, 2012 05:35 AM (D5wbV)

137 Slick Willard wants some votes, he can specifically promise to rescind this regulation on Day Two.

Posted by: Ken at March 27, 2012 05:36 AM (7yb9x)

138 Sorry I don't see it that way.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 09:33 AM (i6RpT)

 

 

 

I hope you're right. 

Posted by: Reactionary at March 27, 2012 05:36 AM (xUM1Q)

139 I recall serving with foreign born soldiers, way back in the 80s. They were people, just like the native born. They, too, would have a statistical spread of their outlook.


They are scattered throughout, not concentrated. We do not have the 503rd Visigoth Infantry Brigade, tiring of sub-standard rations and extra dangerous duty stations.

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2012 05:37 AM (z9HTb)

140

"If Obamacare is declared constitutional then the Constitution is effectively dead. "

 

It's been dead for some time.  I think the paradox here is that it's eventually going to take very unconstitutional measures to restore a constitutional republic.  Assuming, of course, that a constitutional republic is actually what our mouthbreathing neighbors want.  I'm not so sure anymore.

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 05:37 AM (4I3Uo)

141 you used to have to apply to be a section 8 landlord......i wasn't aware that it could be forced on you

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 09:35 AM (Ho2rs)

 

It can work both ways.  I know in MD you can get your house registered or whatever with HUD, and it will be designated section 8.  But sometimes the state will just give section 8 tenants a check to use towards rent wherever they choose.  When I was renting out a townhouse, a section 8 lady inquired and said she had such and such amount of money every month to use on rent.  She could tell I wasn't into the idea of renting to a section 8 renter, so she pulled out the "you can't discriminate" line. 

But the problem resolved itself.  She didn't have a car and wanted me to drive her to the house.  I said "LOL no" and fortunately found someone else quickly after.

Posted by: yinzer at March 27, 2012 05:38 AM (/Mla1)

142 Any regs on dead birds per megawatt produced? Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2012 09:19 AM (z9HTb) I seriously cannot wait for all the cool green kids to figure out how many birds those things really kill. Maybe PETA can turn their attention that way for a while.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 27, 2012 05:38 AM (snRY5)

143 >>Before the election Obama said he was going to bankrupt anyone using a coal powered plant.

Just like light bulbs aren't technically "banned"--it's just illegal to manufacture or import them.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 05:38 AM (ZKzrr)

144 131 And yet coal country states continue to elect Democrats. Unbelievable.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 27, 2012 09:33 AM (RD7QR)


I live in an erstwhile "coal state". Most of  the coal jobs fled after the Clean Air Act of the 1970's. (Hat tip-Richard Nixon). Most of the miners fled to other states/stuck around and worked in liquor stores, car parts outlets, Wal-Mart and so forth.

As their standard of living declined, they "progressively" (pun intended) became more invested in the dole.

So- Democrat union jobs to Democrat dole. Not a net loss for the Democrats.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 05:38 AM (BoE3Z)

145 It's odd that you'd jump on a fact as if a lie. Many non-US-citizens join the US Military as an opportunity to become US Citizens. But enlistment of itself does not bestow citizenship; and while serving, non-American citizens function as mercenaries: "Hired for service in a foreign army." Of the two points I referenced, I'd have expected someone to deny that there's any collaboration between the CIA and the US Military. Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 09:32 AM (lpWVn) You wrote " Our all volunteer Military consists to a growing/large extent of non-US-citizen mercenaries." It is absolutely NOT a large extent and I doubt very much it is a growing extent. I did not deny that we have foreign nationals in our Military but to extent you are intimating. As for the Collaboration between the CIA and the US Military on Intelligence matters? I have no idea but i cdertainly hope so

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:39 AM (i6RpT)

146 122, 126 >> But requiring a free ID violates the 24th Amendment?
 
You got it Heather and Jean. "Reasonable" is whatever these asshats says.
 
At least for now you have the choice to exit idiot places like NY. But the crap coming from the top, like this thread's topic on the EPA, is unescapeable. They couldn't get Cap n Trade passed through Congress, so they back doored it through EPA.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 27, 2012 05:40 AM (ccXZP)

147 And yet coal country states continue to elect Democrats. Unbelievable.
--

Evidently in coal regions, the Republican Party is yet experiencing "a failure ( ) to communicate."

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:40 AM (lpWVn)

148 >>Assuming, of course, that a constitutional republic is actually what our mouthbreathing neighbors want. I'm not so sure anymore.

Bread, circuses, and sapphire-encrusted diaphragms.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 05:41 AM (ZKzrr)

149 If only we had invented Incompetence-Fired Plants, we'd have limitless energy with this administration.

Posted by: Heralder at March 27, 2012 05:41 AM (/Mxso)

150

Enough with the fucking hysteria.  Non citizens have always served in our armed forces.  See:  War, Civil.

 

30 seconds on google found statistics for 2000.  At that time, 28,951 non-citizens were on active duty, making up 2.5% of all active duty forces.

 

They can't get an MOS requiring a security clearance and can't serve more than 8 years in the army without getting their citizenship.

 

Lighten up, Francis.  I served with all kinds of non-citizens:  French, Filipino, Puerto Rican and Chinese.

 

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:42 AM (kEj+5)

151 Just like light bulbs aren't technically "banned"--it's just illegal to manufacture or import them. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 09:38 AM (ZKzrr) What are you peasants whining about? I didn't outlaw breeding magical unicorns that poop normal lightbulbs. Just sell your SUV and get one of those.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 27, 2012 05:43 AM (snRY5)

152 Lighten up, Francis. I served with all kinds of non-citizens: French, Filipino, Puerto Rican and Chinese. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 09:42 AM (kEj+5) Thank you

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:43 AM (i6RpT)

153 I seriously cannot wait for all the cool green kids to figure out how many birds those things really kill. Maybe PETA can turn their attention that way for a while.

Oh, as long as wind/solar are failures they'll continue to support pouring money down those rat holes. If it looked like they could be successful you'd suddenly have a bunch of studies on how horrible they are. I remember a few years ago they were talking up a hydrogen economy, bam! out comes a study that hydrogen is a horribly devastating greenhouse gas. The eco movement is just fundamentally anti-human.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 05:44 AM (Nq/UF)

154 "It is absolutely NOT a large extent and I doubt very much it is a growing extent. I did not deny that we have foreign nationals in our Military but to extent you are intimating."

You sure are putting a lot of stock in having the military pull your chestnuts out of the very likely upcoming fire.  Good luck with that.

Perhaps you'd be better off planning to defend yourself if they don't come riding over the hill...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 27, 2012 05:44 AM (uehxp)

155 I would hope that the States would call for a new Constitutional Convention before a shooting war erupts.  Violent revolutions always break down in the end to the "Jacobin Reign of Terror" that happened after the French revolution.  Our own revolution was an aberation, though there were some random acts against the Tories before they were evauated to Canada.

On the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing some of the commies in congress meet the guillotine.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 05:45 AM (YdQQY)

156 In North Dakota, the percentage of electricity from coal is more than 90 percent.
Thank goodness for global warming...and hoodies.

Posted by: Carolyn at March 27, 2012 05:45 AM (CQId4)

157

and can't serve more than 8 years in the army without getting their citizenship.

 

Because I'm way too lazy to look it up, what's the current time for service that leads to citizenship?  I have six years stuck in my head but I have no idea where I got that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:45 AM (VtjlW)

158 So now we will ship more and more of our coal to China, where they are building new coal fired power plants at the rate of 1-2 per week. The CO2 these emit (I'm sure under stringent air quality standards cough cough) will then magically stay in China.
 
Thus the world is saved from evil American generated power.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 27, 2012 05:46 AM (ccXZP)

159 You sure are putting a lot of stock in having the military pull your chestnuts out of the very likely upcoming fire. Good luck with that. Perhaps you'd be better off planning to defend yourself if they don't come riding over the hill... Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 27, 2012 09:44 AM (uehxp) I am in The Military

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:47 AM (i6RpT)

160

Are you aware that permanent residents in the US must register with selective service?

 

Of course you're not.  That would ruin the whole Prison Planet vibe you've got going on.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:47 AM (kEj+5)

161 Because I'm way too lazy to look it up, what's the current time for service that leads to citizenship? I have six years stuck in my head but I have no idea where I got that. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 09:45 AM (VtjlW) I'm to lazy also, but just for the hell of it, I will ask our JAG Officer next time I see her. Her office is across the hall from mine.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:48 AM (i6RpT)

162 "I am in The Military"

So?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 27, 2012 05:49 AM (uehxp)

163 78
Head-spinning news from NASA. Sorta breaks the narrative:
tinyurl.com/6rdou6x

Posted by: Bill In CT at March 27, 2012 09:09 AM (Uf5Bp)



From the linked article: “This was the biggest dose of heat weÂ’ve received from a solar storm since 2005,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA Langley Research Center.  “It was a big event, and shows how solar activity can directly affect our planet.”


Whoa, it's almost as if this massive fusion source in the sky has an influence on the earth's climate. But that's not what Hansen and the IPCC said, so how can this be true?!

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 27, 2012 05:49 AM (RD7QR)

164

@ arc

 

You used to need 5 years to become naturalized, service could shorten that to three.

 

There's a kicker for wartime service, but I don't remember what it is.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:50 AM (kEj+5)

165 Amid all of this talk about the military, I'm more concerned with what I see - the plan to downsize and defund the military, and its' being supplanted by paramilitary organizations stateside.
"That" would keep me up at night.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 05:50 AM (BoE3Z)

166 nevergiveup ask her if they consider foreigners who are serving to get citizenship as mercenaries or if it's just guns for hire from private american and or foreign companies.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 05:51 AM (Ho2rs)

167 Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 09:39 AM (i6RpT)

Grow up. I need not "intimate" given my strong writing style. I certainly don't know everything; but I write of what I've researched. When you editorialize after removing from context what I write, inserting your own ignorance, you're on your own. Admit when you're wrong or stay the lamebrain punk.

Your grasp of vocabulary would benefit a great deal were you to devote more time referencing a dictionary. If you want to argue military and constitutional statistics, provide your own sources. You know people in the military? Who doesn't. In his day, my uncle wrote the Army's Manual. Regarding current affairs, I've a subscription to the Air Force Magazine that provides an extremely interesting chronicle of events.

You were born yesterday. Not worth the effort to dialog with a punk. Go figure.


Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 05:51 AM (lpWVn)

168 More evidence of sound liberal thinking (breitbart again):
 
An open records request filed by Milwaukee conservative radio personality Mark Belling has revealed that freedom of speech in some public schools is reserved for those who agree with the unions.

According to information obtained by Belling, a custodian working for a private contractor at Whitewater (Wisconsin) High School was recently fired by her employer after two school employees, including the supervisor of custodians, demanded that she remove a pro-Scott Walker sign from her car and she refused.

 
http://tinyurl.com/cwnopf7
 
Note that dozens of Fire Walker bumper stickers can be found in those parking lots. Two legs good, four legs better.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 27, 2012 05:51 AM (ccXZP)

169

 Martin Mlynczak of NASA Langley Research Center. “It
was a big event, and shows how solar activity can directly affect our
planet.”


 

And people say I'm the retard.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 27, 2012 05:52 AM (k8zkG)

170 ask her if they consider foreigners who are serving to get citizenship as mercenaries or if it's just guns for hire from private american and or foreign companies..... Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 09:51 AM (Ho2rs) I am sure they don't

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:52 AM (i6RpT)

171 "If I had a son, umm... his fists would look just like Treyvon Martin's fists... punching your honky face in..."

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at March 27, 2012 05:52 AM (wG0z7)

172

"I would hope that the States would call for a new Constitutional Convention before a shooting war erupts. "

 

I would hope to merely follow the one we already have before rolling the dice on a ConCon.  Can you imagine the madness that the usual suspects would demand be included in a new document?

 

Most of the extraconstitutional bureaucracy and reams of "law" will need to ripped out by the roots to reset the existing constitution.  I have no idea how you "legally" and/or  "constitutionally" do that.  This is the insanity of what we've created.

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 05:53 AM (4I3Uo)

173 ask her if they consider foreigners who are serving to get citizenship as mercenaries or if it's just guns for hire from private american and or foreign companies.....


If a foreigner enlists, they are subject to the same USMJ.


They have to serve. There's no "Fuck Top, I'm going back to Uzbekistan."

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2012 05:53 AM (z9HTb)

174

our military won't fire on us...

 

 

 

My  nephew  did  two  combat  tours  in  Iraq  with   the  101st.   This  very  question  came  up  during  a  training  session  with  the  battlion  CO,  a  colonel   observing.  A  major  asked  the  NCOs  present  if  they  were  given  an  order  to  attack   American  civilians  would  they  A)  Obey  the  order  or  B)  refuse  the   order.  My  nephew  told  the  major  he  would  choose  option    C)  shoot  the  son-of-a-bitch  who  gave  the  order.  The  major  stood  there  with  a  stupid  look  on  his  face  while   the  battlion  CO  smiled  and  said  good  answer,  son.  

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 27, 2012 05:53 AM (6BgmB)

175

I'd recommend that every family own 3 firearms. Kurt Saxon, the original survivalist, recommended a pistol (4 inch barrel 38 special revolver), a shotgun (12 gauge pump action - Remington and Mossberg make good ones), and a rifle in .30-06 caliber. If it's really close action, use the pistol, close to medium range, use the shotgun. Anything over 20-30 yards use the rifle.

 

I'm not talking stock a bunker or buy a collection of firearms. Buy a couple, take a shooting class, buy some ammo.

Hell, it's your right to do so.

 

Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 27, 2012 05:54 AM (kaOJx)

176 You were born yesterday. Not worth the effort to dialog with a punk. Go figure. Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 09:51 AM (lpWVn) Your a nasty little prick aren't you. Your the one that said mercenaries are a large extent of our Military. That is abject bullshit. And I don't have to ask anyone in the Military. All I have to do is look to the right or look to the left of me to know that is not true

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 05:54 AM (i6RpT)

177 If a foreigner enlists, they are subject to the same USMJ.


More importantly, UCMJ.

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2012 05:55 AM (z9HTb)

178 Quit your whining and figure out how to give me what i've decided i need.

Posted by: Wesley Mouch at March 27, 2012 05:56 AM (SO2Q8)

179 fluffy i'm glad you corrected that before a certain someone ripped you a new one.........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 05:57 AM (Ho2rs)

180 Because I'm way too lazy to look it up, what's the current time for service that leads to citizenship? I have six years stuck in my head but I have no idea where I got that.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 09:45 AM (VtjlW)
----------------------

6 years is what I remember as well. But after checking I find that it is one year in peacetime and immediate in war.

http://is.gd/misl0f

This is why that stupid BS amnesty law is a lie.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 05:58 AM (YdQQY)

181

In his day, my uncle wrote the Army's Manual<<<<

 

HAHAHA ***wheeeze*** HA HA HA HA HA HA!

 

REALLY?! He wrote the "Army Manual", huh?  Do you know curious, too?

 

Nevergiveup, you're a squid, right? Got your copy of the "Navy Manual" handy? How many pages does that run?

 

I've seen some Internet Expert FAILs before, buy this one is fucking massive.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 05:58 AM (kEj+5)

182 good morning vic!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 05:58 AM (Ho2rs)

183 NYC gun fee schum fee. When this southern boy lived in NYC i ignored the law just like the criminals did.

Posted by: polynikes at March 27, 2012 05:58 AM (A2cTV)

184

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 09:50 AM (kEj+5)

 

Thanks. 

 

Here's an utterly random thought.  Let's say that for some reason the draft is reinstated.  What would happen if the suggestion was to start the draft with all the ahem undocumented ahem aliens in the country as that would give them citizenship.  Win win, right?  

 

I think the time between proposing that and shrieks of slavery would be measured in milliseconds. 

 

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 05:58 AM (VtjlW)

185
Whoa, it's almost as if this massive fusion source in the sky has an influence on the earth's climate. But that's not what Hansen and the IPCC said, so how can this be true?!

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 27, 2012 09:49 AM (RD7QR)


Yes but that ball of Fusion would have to be massive, almost like the size of our own sun or something.

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 27, 2012 05:59 AM (3jGS1)

186 i'm glad you corrected that before a certain someone ripped you a new one.....


Pfft. I'm a civilian now.


I'll do some pushups, anyway.

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2012 05:59 AM (z9HTb)

187 From the linked article: “This was the biggest dose of heat we’ve received from a solar storm
since 2005,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA Langley Research Center. “It
was a big event, and shows how solar activity can directly affect our
planet.”


Whoa, it's almost as if this massive fusion source in the sky has an influence on the earth's climate. But that's not what Hansen and the IPCC said, so how can this be true?!

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 27, 2012 09:49 AM (RD7QR)


We need to shut down more coal power plants and that should fix the problem

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2012 06:00 AM (1Jaio)

188 I would hope to merely follow the one we already have before rolling the dice on a ConCon. Can you imagine the madness that the usual suspects would demand be included in a new document?
-------------------



A lot of people say that but in the Constitutional Convention each State only got one vote.  There are more Red States than there are Blue States so I don't see that as a major issue.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 06:00 AM (YdQQY)

189 Environment? Bullshit. This is about destroying American economic power.....which is really what the whole greenie movement has always been about.

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 06:01 AM (X7aC8)

190 I think the time between proposing that and shrieks of slavery would be measured in milliseconds.

Yeah, but to be fair, the number would be negative.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:02 AM (8y9MW)

191 Commisar Jackson, we're doing all we can to drive up gas prices. What can you do to help us drive up the cost of electricity? -- Comrade Chairman Obama

Posted by: farsighted at March 27, 2012 06:02 AM (DmWV5)

192 Um, Vic...what's wrong with the existing Constitution?  Bad penmanship?

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 06:03 AM (4I3Uo)

193 trayvons family is going to testify before congress? wow.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 06:04 AM (Ho2rs)

194

6 years is what I remember as well. But after checking I find that it is one year in peacetime and immediate in war.

 

So for peacetime it's one year after obtaining permanent resident status which takes, what, next to forever right now?  Also it's fascinating that at least for citizenship purposes the US military is effectively considered to be in a state of war.  It's also interesting that there's the revocation provision for other than honorable discharge before completing five years service. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:04 AM (VtjlW)

195 Um, Vic...what's wrong with the existing Constitution? Bad penmanship?

Besides the fact it's completely ignored?

The Founders weren't cynical enough.  There are a lot of things they didn't put in the Constitution (like the fact the Interstate Commerce clause was specifically not supposed to intervene on activity that was neither inter-State, nor Commerce- go figure), because they assumed everyone knew them. 

At the time, people certainly did- but now people mostly don't.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:05 AM (8y9MW)

196 Smoke a pole, any pole, who you want?

Posted by: NO LIMIT FLUKE at March 27, 2012 06:05 AM (/Mla1)

197 I fully expect congress to use Trayvon to ban CCW.

Posted by: Lauren at March 27, 2012 06:05 AM (D5wbV)

198 trayvons family is going to testify before congress? wow.......

WTF does Congress have to do with this?  It's an intra-state Justice matter.  In fact, it's not even a State Justice matter- it's a local one.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:06 AM (8y9MW)

199 Geochemist from Syracuse calls bullshit on AGW.  Shows that Medieval warming period not confined to Europe.
http://tinyurl.com/dym4zjt

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 27, 2012 06:07 AM (3jGS1)

200 Gun grab with a sprinkle of hate crime expansion.

Posted by: Lauren at March 27, 2012 06:07 AM (D5wbV)

201

Remember rolling blackouts as a kid? Yeah, me neither. It was a different mindset then.

 

That's cuz you didn't have me, bitchez.  Were all about gettin' even now that Baracka's in da housssssss.  Rep-a-rationssssss.

Posted by: Preznit Algy Solyndra at March 27, 2012 06:08 AM (tQHzJ)

202 Your a nasty little prick aren't you. Your the one that said mercenaries are a large extent of our Military. That is abject bullshit.
--

Yes, that is abject bullshit since you project your own ignorance as if what I wrote.

nevergiveup, it takes a nasty little prick to pick a fight over his own misunderstanding. Grow up and admit your own error rather than bury yourself in the hole you ignorantly chose to begin digging furiously.

Reading is fundamental.

mer·ce·nar·y (mûr s-n r)  Hired for service in a foreign army. n. pl. mer·ce·nar·ies.thefreedictionary.  One that serves merely for wages: especially a soldier hired into foreign service. merriamwebster. adjective 1. working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal. 2. hired to serve in a foreign army, guerrilla organization , etc. .dictionaryreference.

Regarding this matter, as an aside, you might find the presentation of material data by Douglas Dietrich of interest.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 06:09 AM (lpWVn)

203

Maybe Trayvon's family can commit on his aborted career as a burglar and drug user.

 

Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 27, 2012 06:09 AM (kaOJx)

204 Seriously, I'm not sure how I would do it, but I would come up with $1000.00 for the re-election campaign of the first Congressman to look at Trayvon Martin's family and say,

"What in the world do you think makes you so special that the US Congress should intervene in this issue?  Your son, it turns out, was a punk- or at least wanted to be seen as one- and quite probably physically attacked a man.  It turns out that man had a pistol with which he defended himself.  I'm sorry that your "most specialist snow-flake" wasn't bullet-proof, but you are wasting the time of this Body, and the People we are supposed to represent."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:09 AM (8y9MW)

205 Um, Vic...what's wrong with the existing Constitution? Bad penmanship?

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 10:03 AM (4I3Uo)

------------



The founders failed to reign in the Supreme Court and they left too many things vague that the big government commies have exploited.  In addition, some of the amendments that were made have been used to trash it.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 06:09 AM (YdQQY)

206

The Founders weren't cynical enough. There are a lot of things they didn't put in the Constitution

In my mind, I don't think it was lack of cynicism.  I'd rather think it was a cross between not being able to foresee perversion before it took root and aiming to outline rather than to micromange every single possible transaction betwee the government and the individual.

Posted by: Heralder at March 27, 2012 06:10 AM (/Mxso)

207  Um, Vic...what's wrong with the existing Constitution? Bad penmanship?

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 10:03 AM (4I3Uo)

 

 

It  could  use  a   "don't   make  up  shit   clause"  for   things  like  the  "right"  to  an  abortion   or   using  the  Commerce  Clause  to  cover anything  that  pops  into  their  misshapen  little  commie  heads   and   an   "or   else   clause"   for   scum  who  try  ignore  the  limits  set  by  the  Constitution.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 27, 2012 06:12 AM (6BgmB)

208 Regarding current affairs, I've a subscription to the Air Force Magazine that provides an extremely interesting chronicle of events.

Wow. A magazine subscription.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 27, 2012 06:12 AM (w/anX)

209
BBC: A student who admitted posting racially offensive comments on Twitter about footballer Fabrice Muamba has been jailed for 56 days for a racially-aggravated public order offence.

Meanwhile in London, 'Osama Bin LadenÂ’s right-hand man in EuropeÂ’ Abu Qatada has been upgraded to a larger taxpayer-funded home since his release from jail last month.



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 06:13 AM (kdS6q)

210

"Besides the fact it's completely ignored?"

 

I see that as no reason to scrap it and spin the wheel of misfortune on a new one written by God knows who. 

 

If it's being ignored, the ammendment process is there to potentially fix it.  We'll start with shitcanning the direct election of Senators and go from there.

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 06:13 AM (4I3Uo)

211 maverick muse you mad bro? jeez.....you started with the punk crap grow up........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 06:14 AM (Ho2rs)

212 190 Environment? Bullshit. This is about destroying American economic power.....which is really what the whole greenie movement has always been about.

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 10:01 AM (X7aC


True. I find it amusing though that some of my clueless relatives think it is about the environment.

When I have brought up the idea that maybe they're being played, they twist their "sustainable" knit caps and high-tail it to Whole Foods.

Kinda cute - sad but cute.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 06:14 AM (BoE3Z)

213 What was this post about?  Oh yeah, coal-fired power plants.  These threads sure do deviate pretty quickly.

Posted by: jjmurphy at March 27, 2012 06:14 AM (xjEAl)

214 Allen G, the case that SCOTUS decided it was the final arbitor of the Consitution was Marbury vs Madison.

Posted by: thunderb at March 27, 2012 06:15 AM (Dnbau)

215

It could use a "don't make up shit clause"

 

Wow.  We're gonna have to imprison a metric shit-ton of lawyers then.  Worth a shot!

Posted by: Jaws at March 27, 2012 06:15 AM (4I3Uo)

216 what's wrong with the existing Constitution? It's very rough. When I use it as toilet paper, it always chafes and leaves pieces behind.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 27, 2012 06:15 AM (snRY5)

217 When I was renting out a townhouse, a section 8 lady inquired and said she had such and such amount of money every month to use on rent. She could tell I wasn't into the idea of renting to a section 8 renter, so she pulled out the "you can't discriminate" line.
But the problem resolved itself. She didn't have a car and wanted me to drive her to the house. I said "LOL no" and fortunately found someone else quickly after.

Posted by: yinzer at March 27, 2012 09:38 AM (/Mla1)



Yep.  Section 8ers are like the plague.  Worst tenants (and I'm using the term loosely) you could possibly find, but with the power of Nanny Government standing behind them, ready to give it to the landlord up the squeaker.

Government, illegals and the dregs of society ... together forever, working hard against your average citizen who pays for all of them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 06:16 AM (X3lox)

218 Who the fuck called a Trayvon dog-and-pony show in Congress??

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 06:16 AM (X7aC8)

219 not being able to foresee perversion before it took root and aiming to outline rather than to micromange every single possible transaction between the government and the individual.

There's no point in trying to micromanage. It's not necessary for an honest government and once the government becomes corrupt, no matter how detailed you make the rules the rulers will always find a way to do just as they please.


Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 06:16 AM (Nq/UF)

220 BBC: A student who admitted posting racially offensive comments on Twitter about footballer Fabrice Muamba has been jailed for 56 days for a racially-aggravated public order offence.

Meanwhile in London, 'Osama Bin LadenÂ’s right-hand man in EuropeÂ’ Abu Qatada has been upgraded to a larger taxpayer-funded home since his release from jail last month.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 10:13 AM (kdS6q)


Thought crimes coming to a country near you

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2012 06:17 AM (1Jaio)

221 nevergiveup, it takes a nasty little prick to pick a fight over his own misunderstanding. Grow up and admit your own error rather than bury yourself in the hole you ignorantly chose to begin digging furiously.


Classic. You attempt to bully someone into agreeing with you. Maturity personified.


Reading is fundamental.


Sure is. Take your own advice, and read some of the other replies on this thread.


mer·ce·nar·y (mûr
s-n r) Hired for service in a foreign army. n. pl. mer·ce·nar·ies.thefreedictionary. One that serves merely for wages: especially a soldier hired into foreign service. merriamwebster. adjective 1. working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal.



This goes back to that 'reading' thing. Foreigners in American service have to enlist, just like everyone else. They are subject to the same laws. Maybe you can look at the 'Manual' your uncle wrote and discover the concept of G.I.

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2012 06:17 AM (z9HTb)

222

Who the fuck called a Trayvon dog-and-pony show in Congress??

 

Wasn't me.

Posted by: Eric Holder at March 27, 2012 06:17 AM (kaOJx)

223 Extra brown liquor ration and a credit at the Pleasure Battalion for referring a friend.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 09:02 AM (kEj+5)

 

What about plunder? What is the breakdown on that?

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 27, 2012 06:17 AM (NVu2l)

224 Read my lips: no infrastructure for wind and solar energy! (i.e., the additional power plants kept online to smooth out the unreliability of wind and solar)

Posted by: Baraka Obama at March 27, 2012 06:18 AM (FcR7P)

225

What was this post about? Oh yeah, coal-fired power plants. These threads sure do deviate pretty quickly

 

It's not as if the Horde is renowned for its attention span.

 

On the coal fire plant issue, I would love love love to see someone bring a takings case against the US government for the destruction of worth of the coal mine. 

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:18 AM (VtjlW)

226 Join my Death's Head Legions

It sounds tougher in the original German but there's a bit of negative image.

Extra brown liquor ration and a credit at the Pleasure Battalion for referring a friend.

By ration I assume you mean barrel.  And if the credit is a card saying give your buddy a hand I am not going to be a happy trooper!


Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2012 06:18 AM (fAXsV)

227

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 10:04 AM (Ho2rs)

Congressional Black Caucus in hoodies, probably...too bad Trayvon wasn't wearing a wife-beater and saggy pants.

Posted by: 66chevelle at March 27, 2012 06:18 AM (QjSgY)

228

Will   this   broke   ass  blog  never  be  fixed?

 

I  don't  believe   Pixy  is   an   actual   living   person,    I   am  convinced   Pixy  is  an   old    pron   server   that  has   become   self-aware. 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 27, 2012 06:19 AM (6BgmB)

229

There's no point in trying to micromanage. It's not necessary for an honest government and once the government becomes corrupt, no matter how detailed you make the rules the rulers will always find a way to do just as they please.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 10:16 AM (Nq/UF)

Agreed, and I imagine they (the founding fathers) could have felt much the same.

Posted by: Heralder at March 27, 2012 06:19 AM (/Mxso)

230 maverick muse your disjointed posts read like Stephen Hawking speaks.

Posted by: polynikes at March 27, 2012 06:19 AM (A2cTV)

231 Who the fuck called a Trayvon dog-and-pony show in Congress?? Wasn't me. Posted by: Eric Holder at March 27, 2012 10:17 AM (kaOJx) Wasn't my idea, either, but...do y'all need an opening act?

Posted by: Sinbad at March 27, 2012 06:19 AM (snRY5)

232 "A conservative Houston newspaper"...

The Houston Chronicle, conservative? LOL! Down here, we call it the Houston Pravda.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at March 27, 2012 06:19 AM (SPjiN)

233 Buffet owns most of the coal trains. They deliver the evil coal to the west coast to ship to China. It's good to be the 1%.

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 06:20 AM (X7aC8)

234 Thought crimes coming to a country near you

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 27, 2012 10:17 AM (1Jaio)


Crimespeak and crimethink has been here for a long, looong time.

"Hatecrime" was the coming out party.

Chickens are just coming home to roost under our fascist overlord.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 06:20 AM (BoE3Z)

235 Boy, this guy is a fucking genius.
During a fundraiser in Atlanta earlier this month, President Obama is reported to have said: "It gets you a little nervous about what is happening to global temperatures. When it is 75 degrees in Chicago in the beginning of March, you start thinking. On the other hand, I really have enjoyed nice weather."

Link to WSJ calling the "global climate change" bullshit.

http://tinyurl.com/ca4km5y

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 27, 2012 06:20 AM (3jGS1)

236 UK is now arresting people who say anything deemed "racist" on Twitter. Some welsh kid made a couple mean, racist jokes about a black soccer player. Now the kid is in jail.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at March 27, 2012 06:20 AM (ZPrif)

237 On the coal fire plant issue, I would love love love to see someone bring a takings case against the US government for the destruction of worth of the coal mine.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 10:18 AM (VtjlW)



You're so cute ...

Posted by: GM/Chrysler Senior Debt Holders at March 27, 2012 06:21 AM (X3lox)

238 i hope they can work in a tribute to whitney .....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 06:21 AM (Ho2rs)

239 229 - Pixy took immediate retribution for your derogatory comment and fucked up all your spacing too.

Posted by: Heralder at March 27, 2012 06:21 AM (/Mxso)

240 Feeed me.

Posted by: Hybrids and Ipads and Volts, oh my at March 27, 2012 06:22 AM (dEMjC)

241

Reading is fundamental.

mer·ce·nar·y (mûr
s-n r) Hired for service in a foreign army. n. pl. mer·ce·nar·ies.thefreedictionary. One that serves merely for wages: especially a soldier hired into foreign service

 

If reading is fundamental, then it's time to take you back to school.

 

Mercenaries are ALREADY soldiers when they are hired by foreign governments. They have their own leaders, intelligence section, equipment and training.  They are typically hired as a cohesive unit.

 

In the past, countries hired them to either supplement their forces (Prussians hired by British) or to train their indigenous personnel (Rhodesia).

 

Mercenaries are governed by and paid in accordance with the terms of the contract with their employer. 

 

Now contrast that with Pepé, the UNTRAINED fruit picker from Honduras, who swears an oath of loyalty to the Constitution of the United States, who then TRAINS him to become a soldier.

 

Fuck, you're dense.  And too arrogant to realize it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 06:22 AM (kEj+5)

242 RE: Section 8 rental housing--never, ever, ever advertise in the local print or put a sign out front. That's like saying "Calling all poor people!"
Craigslist all the way.
1) They have to have a computer
2) They have to have internet
3) They have to know about Craigslist
=
some level of education

Posted by: Jimmuy at March 27, 2012 06:23 AM (eGtUs)

243 Who the fuck called a Trayvon dog-and-pony show in Congress??


Corrine Brown.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at March 27, 2012 06:23 AM (d6QMz)

244 Coal sux. Natural Gas and Nukes are way better.

Posted by: Chris M at March 27, 2012 06:23 AM (7GpjJ)

245 241 Feeed me.

Posted by: Hybrids and Ipads and Volts, oh my at March 27, 2012 10:22 AM (dEMjC)


Boy you're dumb.  Volts run on batteries, not electricity...Duhhh.

Posted by: Typical leftist moonbat at March 27, 2012 06:23 AM (3jGS1)

246 too bad Trayvon wasn't wearing a wife-beater and saggy pants.

He was wearing a wife-beater in his twitter pic.

And for every 'he was a choir boy' statement made by his family in their Congressional testimony I'd like to hear someone respond by reading one of his nasty tweets.

Posted by: Retread at March 27, 2012 06:24 AM (joSBv)

247 The last we heard from ace, Pixy was busy fixing Protein Wisdom after it got hacked. Not sure if Pixy is back to slapping together a new blog for ace. It would be nice to have it in place before Election Day but I'm a conservative, not an optimist.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 27, 2012 06:25 AM (RD7QR)

248 Section 8 is after-school busing, basically.  Only a truly demented society would even think of such a thing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 06:25 AM (X3lox)

249 Coal sux.


Ah, good point!

Posted by: fluffy at March 27, 2012 06:25 AM (z9HTb)

250
Who the fuck called a Trayvon dog-and-pony show in Congress??
Posted by: nickless



Three guesses, first two don't count:

The parents of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin will travel to Washington Tuesday to attend a House Judiciary Committee briefing on racial profiling and hate crimes, the family's lawyer told NPR.

The briefing on the federal government's enforcement of laws against racial profiling and hate crimes will be held by Democratic committee members Sheila Jackson Lee, John Conyers and Corrine Brown.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 06:25 AM (kdS6q)

251 Because that WSJ article points out the Feynman method, I feel justified in adding some solace to your day. I despair, as I am sure that you do from time to time, about how things can be the way that they are, about how people to our left can be so wrong headed, etc. Feynman provides an answer: Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, "But how can it be like that?" because you will get "down the drain," into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that.

Posted by: And Irresolute at March 27, 2012 06:25 AM (RC3M9)

252 And I can charge my Ipad in the car.  See no icky coal power plants needed.

Posted by: Typical leftist moonbat at March 27, 2012 06:25 AM (3jGS1)

253 Any union member who doesn't vote straight R ticket in support of their coal mining brothers is a hypocrite and if  any of Ohio, Penn, W Va,  don't dump every Dem they can ..........    Now the guilty former yuppies in my stupid state of CO will no doubt think this is wonderful.  

Posted by: Palerider at March 27, 2012 06:27 AM (cQZV0)

254 Agreed, and I imagine they (the founding fathers) could have felt much the same.

Regarding writing a new constitution, I don't see top-down nation building working any better at home than it has abroad.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 06:28 AM (Nq/UF)

255 I belive it was Sheila Jackson Lee of Tx and John Conyers that are bringing the dog and pony show.  The stupid, and the race-war baiting, will be strong.

Posted by: thunderb at March 27, 2012 06:29 AM (Dnbau)

256

Democratic committee members Sheila Jackson Lee, John Conyers and Corrine Brown.

 

Do they even collectively have a synapse to fire?  I denounce myself.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:30 AM (VtjlW)

257
EPA:  Too many particulates.  Fix that.
Plant Manager:  Done.

EPA:  Too much sulfur.   Fix that.
Plant Manager.  Ok... Done.

EPA:  Too much heavy metals.  Fix That.
Plant Manager:  Grrrr.....Done.

EPA:  Too much carbon. Fix That.
Plant Manager:   (hangs closed sign on front door).

EPA:

EPA:  (Picks up dead bird on front of a wind turbine)  Anybody know where I can find the plant manager.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2012 06:30 AM (C8hzL)

258 Thank G_d we have Nobel Laureate Steven Chu in charge.

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2012 06:31 AM (/ZZCn)

259 Do they even collectively have a synapse to fire?

It is precisely this kind of hateful, violent rhetoric...
...
...
that makes this blog so fun to read.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:31 AM (8y9MW)

260 I belive it was Sheila Jackson Lee of Tx and John Conyers that are bringing the dog and pony show. The stupid, and the race-war baiting, will be strong. Posted by: thunderb at March 27, 2012 10:29 AM (Dnbau) Old Sheila bringing her Mars Flag to the meeting

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 06:31 AM (i6RpT)

261
A bit more on today's media circus:

What:     DemocratsÂ’ House Judiciary Committee Forum on Protecting a “Suspect” Community: Racial Profiling & Hate Crimes
When:    Tuesday, March 27, 2012, from 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm

Witness List:

Rebecca Monroe, Acting Director, Community Relations Service, U.S. Department of Justice

Prof. Deborah A. Ramirez, Northeastern University School of Law and Executive Director, Partnering for Prevention and Community Safety

Albert E. Dotson, Jr., Chairman, 100 Black Men of America, Inc.

Dennis Parker, Director, ACLU Racial Justice Project

Robert “Bobby” Parker, Retired, Former Director of the Miami-Dade Police Department

Ben Jealous, President and CEO, NAACP

Benjamin Crump, Esq., Counsel to the Martin Family

Davis Stacy, Deputy Legislative Director, Human Rights Campaign

Daniel Gross, President, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 06:32 AM (kdS6q)

262 BOHICA!

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 27, 2012 06:33 AM (QTHTd)

263 Trayvon Martin’s parents lashed out at reports that he had been suspended from school because of drugs, graffiti and suspected burglary, accusing cops of smearing their slain son to boost his killer, George Zimmerman. “They’ve killed my son, and now they’re trying to kill his reputation,” his mom, Sybrina Fulton, said Monday. "They"? Now the Police killed him? And I Forgot but what Colleges was he applying to?

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 06:33 AM (i6RpT)

264 Sheila Jackson Lee, John Conyers and Corrine Brown......

For many, they're simply caricatures and stereotypes. If they were self-aware, they would be ashamed. If their supporters were self-aware, they would be embarrassed.
If.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 06:33 AM (BoE3Z)

265 Climatologists apparently haven't considered that they're arguing for a much, much poorer world. One that can't afford climatologists.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 06:33 AM (Nq/UF)

266 Regarding writing a new constitution, I don't see top-down nation building working any better at home than it has abroad.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 10:28 AM (Nq/UF)



When a system has been sufficiently degraded and abused, as our Constitution has been, there comes a point at which no one will take any new calls to "follow the law from now, on" seriously.  And they shouldn't.  We have already seen that the rule of law is gone in the US.  Empathy has been OFFICIALLY declared a legitimate main qualifying characteristic in jurists and judicial decisions (in violent opposition to millenia of Western jurisprudence), so ... there really isn't anything legitimate left to this system. 

That brings us to two choices:

Jail those who have broken the law (and there are very, very many of them, from Barky and his admin on down) to show that we do wish to follow the Rule of Law ...

or start anew.

Our chances for reform will be better than anyone else in the world has had because we have different content - both in terms of population (for those that would break off) and in terms of the structure we would put in place.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 06:33 AM (X3lox)

267 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 10:32 AM (kdS6q)

Hmmm...
Funny that I see no one from the NRA or the GOA on that list.  I wonder why?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:33 AM (8y9MW)

268 >>When it is 75 degrees in Chicago in the beginning of March, you start thinking.

But if you start thinking when it snows mid-April, that's irrelevant.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:33 AM (ZKzrr)

269

When confronted by traitorous acts masquerading as foreign policy conversations, Presidential endorsement of lynch mobs, centrally planned economies on trial at the Supreme Court, EPA destruction of the coal industry, debt bombs getting ready to explode, runaway "mandatory" Federal spending, the planting of "spring" seeds by the administration for a world war in the middle east, Friday news dumps and periodic totalitarian presidential edicts, where is one to turn first?  It's hard to know where to expend precious angst!

Jefferson would think, "Oooh, I see fun coming". 

Posted by: MTF at March 27, 2012 06:35 AM (B5y+v)

270 The briefing on the federal government's enforcement of laws against racial profiling and hate crimes will be held by Democratic committee members Sheila Jackson Lee, John Conyers and Corrine Brown.

Finally, some wisdom will be brought to this mess.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 27, 2012 06:35 AM (QTHTd)

271 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 10:30 AM (VtjlW)

Of course. Each has a single synapse to signal for a knee-jerk.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 27, 2012 06:35 AM (nEUpB)

272 >>And I Forgot but what Colleges was he applying to?

Did he have mad basketball skillz?  Because if you don't, colleges tend to expect you to graduate high school before you apply.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:36 AM (ZKzrr)

273 Is this a real committee hearing or another one of those fake demo propaganda hearings like the slut "testified" at.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 06:36 AM (YdQQY)

274 These folks think getting all the former coal miners on the dole is a feature, not a bug. Since they are union commies already, they'll roll over into welfare dependents quite readily.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 27, 2012 06:36 AM (NVu2l)

275 Well now we know why Mitt won't set his hair on fire.

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2012 06:36 AM (fAXsV)

276 Hate to be the gloomy gus, but if they're ignoring the current Constitution, what makes you think they won't just ignore a new one?

Because a necessary step to getting a New Constitution in place would be removing those currently acting against the Liberties the current one is supposed to protect.

And then banning them from office.

I figure it would take at least 10 - 20 years for them to figure out a way around whatever we put in their way.  By then, people may have seen enough of the benefits of actual Federalism to be more resistant to their siren calls.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:36 AM (8y9MW)

277 Electric eels. Green energy of the future.

Posted by: nickless at March 27, 2012 06:36 AM (X7aC8)

278 Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 10:36 AM (YdQQY)

My money is on a fake hearing, but I'm White, so my opinion doesn't count.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 27, 2012 06:37 AM (nEUpB)

279 End. Times.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 27, 2012 06:37 AM (pVvkk)

280 Did he have mad basketball skillz? Because if you don't, colleges tend to expect you to graduate high school before you apply. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 10:36 AM (ZKzrr) Well no Colleges expect you to graduate High School before you matriculate at College, but you apply while your still in High School

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 06:37 AM (i6RpT)

281 Barack didn't mean to close those coal plants.  He's just in over his head, poor thing.

Posted by: Mittens at March 27, 2012 06:37 AM (X3lox)

282 Did he have mad basketball skillz? Because if you don't, colleges tend to expect you to graduate high school before you apply.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 10:36 AM (ZKzrr)

You don't have to graduate to apply.  But I think you're supposed to be expected to graduate...

Posted by: yinzer at March 27, 2012 06:37 AM (/Mla1)

283 Because if you don't, colleges tend to expect you to graduate high school before you apply.

Ummm... no.  They expect you to be on-track to graduate, but generally you apply during your Senior year- but before you've actually graduated.

Not sure if that's what you meant there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:37 AM (8y9MW)

284 Great, rolling blackouts coming soon to a city near you. Can anyone recommend a low light rifle scope? Um....Just in case.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at March 27, 2012 06:38 AM (SzAZ7)

285
colleges tend to expect you to graduate high school before you apply.
Posted by: HeatherRadish




Think most everyone going directly to college applies in the Fall of their Senior year.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 06:38 AM (kdS6q)

286 Obama 2012: All of Your Coal are Belong to Us

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 27, 2012 06:39 AM (niW49)

287 Not all rank & file union members are commies.  I get the impression that coal country PA (who are also bitter clingers) despise Obama.  It's the urban areas of PA that push it democrat.

Posted by: yinzer at March 27, 2012 06:39 AM (/Mla1)

288 nevergiveup. You want respect, yet refuse to honor previous members of the service with your sincere gratitude for their sacrifices. STFU, you're killing yourself. I'm a boomer; all of my uncles and my father and grandfathers served America in the military during wartime. If we were playing genealogy games, since my families have fought for America since the Revolutionary War, not missing any of our nation's wars, including Texas Independence, and with Pershing in Mexico, you wouldn't outshine their works for America. Yes, my uncle enlisted as a private in the Army and served active duty in combat throughout WWII (Europe and then Japan) and the Korean War COMBAT given Hamburger Hill, after which he'd risen in rank to full Colonel by virtue of his many successful heroics. He chose to remain in the Military. Before his retirement from the Pentagon, he led the commission that revised the manual. His reports are cross referenced in other branches of the service, still taught in combat strategy, survival under the worst odds.  God bless his memory. He was a wonderful and loving uncle with the best stories at family reunions.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 06:40 AM (lpWVn)

289 >>Well no Colleges expect you to graduate High School before you matriculate at College

*sigh*  Kid was serving a ten-day suspension and getting shuffled around schools due to disciplinary problems.  Probability of obtaining diploma?  Unlikely.

Is what I meant.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:40 AM (ZKzrr)

290

@275


Well, the Poindexters certainly jumped on that one....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 06:40 AM (kdS6q)

291 OT above - Re: non-citizens in US military
Approx. 35,000 of approx 1.5 million personnel in 2004 = Approx. about 2.3%
(But then there are PMCs and Obama's planned civilian defense force.)


Posted by: RioBravo at March 27, 2012 06:41 AM (eEfYn)

292 Well, the Poindexters certainly jumped on that one....

Ace of Spades HQ- come for the news, stay for the pedantry.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 27, 2012 06:41 AM (8y9MW)

293 I should have majored in English and communications instead of computer engineering.  Then you could all assume I meant the exact opposite of what I typed.

Trayvon™'s twitter feed certainly looks like a "communications" major, anyway.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at March 27, 2012 06:43 AM (ZKzrr)

294 But his facebook indicates a horticulture major.

Posted by: yinzer at March 27, 2012 06:44 AM (/Mla1)

295 We were going to power our nation with skittles before that Zimmerman fellow shot our courier dead. Now there is no one to blame but the White-Peruvian Joo Cabal.

Posted by: Dr. Chu, Super Genius at March 27, 2012 06:44 AM (SzAZ7)

296 Maverick Muse, with all due respect, understanding of the military is not something one inherits genetically.  I served.  Non-citizens in the military are few in number.  The vast majority of them are Hispanic, with some Phillipinos.  The very few I met were very hardworking and extremely patriotic, not a fifth column as you appeared to imply.  Calm down. 

Posted by: thunderb at March 27, 2012 06:45 AM (Dnbau)

297 Obama 2012: Coal, I'm sorry. I'm SOOO sorry. kthxbye

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 27, 2012 06:46 AM (niW49)

298 233 "A conservative Houston newspaper"...
The Houston Chronicle, conservative? LOL! Down here, we call it the Houston Pravda.
----
Conservative compared to the 'centrist' (on the Matthews scale) Houston Press (a typical 'alternative' weekly).

Posted by: RioBravo at March 27, 2012 06:46 AM (eEfYn)

299 Well, Corrine Brown does have a masters in communication. 

This video clearly shows the intelligence and clarity that she will bring to any hearings.

http://tinyurl.com/bmgonfr

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 27, 2012 06:47 AM (3jGS1)

300

"Lighten up, Francis. I served with all kinds of non-citizens: French, Filipino, Puerto Rican and Chinese."


Dude, Puerto Ricans aren't non-citizens.

Posted by: Formerly stationed in PR at March 27, 2012 06:49 AM (6gK+C)

301 and an "or else clause" for scum who tryignore the limits

I'd add an "up their ass sideways" clause for doing stupid shit anyways regardless of the obvious consequences.

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2012 06:50 AM (fAXsV)

302 They deliver the evil coal to the west coast to ship to China.

Do we really ship coal to China?

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2012 06:51 AM (fAXsV)

303

Yes, my uncle enlisted as a private in the Army and served active duty in combat throughout WWII (Europe and then Japan) and the Korean War COMBAT given Hamburger Hill, after which he'd risen in rank to full Colonel by virtue of his many successful heroics.

 

Hamburger Hill was in Vietnam, genius.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 06:52 AM (kEj+5)

304 Well, Corrine Brown does have a masters in communication.

I've taught math to communications majors in urban universities whose sisters, if they had them, would have looked like Corrine Brown ...

As much as people laugh about how standards have fallen, the truth is SO much worse.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 06:52 AM (X3lox)

305
Miami-Dade commissioners honor Trayvon Martin with Skittles

Before a moment of silence, Commissioner Barbara Jordan requested attendees to “remember the Trayvon Martin family.” Then boxes of Skittles were passed around the dais. A few commissioners — including Chairman Joe Martinez and Commissioners Jose “Pepe” Diaz, Audrey Edmonson, Jean Monestime and Dennis Moss — displayed them in front of their microphones for the rest of the meeting. Moss also had a can of Arizona iced tea.




That's a really creepy pseudo-Eucharist you got going there, folks.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 06:53 AM (kdS6q)

306 Pork Chop Hill was in Korea.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 06:54 AM (BoE3Z)

307 Jail those who have broken the law (and there are very, very many of them, from Barky and his admin on down) to show that we do wish to follow the Rule of Law ...

or start anew.


But if you've got a citizenry that's willing to do that, you probably just need one amendment. "Upon the approval of X% of state legislatures within Y years any federal law or supreme court decision may be revoked, any justice that has had their decision so revoked is immediately and permanently removed from office." I think you'd want a high bar to avoid chaos but not as high as the requirements for a new amendment.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 06:55 AM (Nq/UF)

308 eoj *snort*

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 06:55 AM (Ho2rs)

309 Check the earlier posts.
While WHO was distracted?

Posted by: Gerry at March 27, 2012 06:55 AM (f06ST)

310 tunderb,

The point was that the number of noncitizens serving in the all volunteer military is not shrinking, but growing. The context of that observation regarded civilian trust, whether an enlisted military personnel member would choose to uphold the US Constitution over a direct order, particularly were that member of the military a noncitizen mercenary. As to ridiculing my uncle's memory because nevergiveup refuses to admit ignorance as to the definition of a mercenary, Honore advised "Don't stay stuck on stupid."

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 06:55 AM (lpWVn)

311

291- My inner voice is screaming at me to not butt in here, but why would extolling the military heroics of your ancestors reflect well on you?  Are you genetically patriotic an militarily knowledgeable? 

My grandfather stormed the beaches at Normandy.  HE did, not me, I can't take any credit for it just because I'm related to him.

Posted by: Heralder at March 27, 2012 06:56 AM (/Mxso)

312

Will   Shelia  pass  out   "punk   ass   cracker"  Zimmerman  T-shirts  during  the   faux   hearing?

 

 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 27, 2012 06:57 AM (6BgmB)

313 Pork Chop Hill was in Korea./

Yes, both blood baths. correction.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 27, 2012 06:57 AM (lpWVn)

314 Lieutenant Dan, is that you?

Posted by: Forrest at March 27, 2012 06:59 AM (4ffQe)

315

Dude, Puerto Ricans aren't non-citizens<<<<

 

Shhh! I know that. But it pisses them off - I used to fuck with my PR Army buddies all the time with that one. Oh, how animated they would get.

 

"PUERTO RICANS ARE AMERICANS, YOU ASSHOLE!"

 

"then why don't you say American instead of Puerto-"

 

"FUCK YOU! WHAT ARE YOU- oh. Shut up, Jeff. You're a dick."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 27, 2012 06:59 AM (kEj+5)

316

My money is on a fake hearing, but I'm White, so my opinion doesn't count.

 

Yes, but are you White-White?

 

That evidently matters now. Spike Lee's idea of shades of color has apparently come to White America now. Brought to us by Teh Won.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at March 27, 2012 06:59 AM (oEKxm)

317 I'll take a Section Eight

Posted by: Cpl. Klinger at March 27, 2012 06:59 AM (SO2Q8)

318 maverick muse so no one in your family was involved in hamburger hill...no third cousin eight times removed?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 07:00 AM (Ho2rs)

319 ...and why do you hate nevergive up?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 07:00 AM (Ho2rs)

320 But if you've got a citizenry that's willing to do that, you probably just need one amendment. "Upon the approval of X% of state legislatures within Y years any federal law or supreme court decision may be revoked, any justice that has had their decision so revoked is immediately and permanently removed from office." I think you'd want a high bar to avoid chaos but not as high as the requirements for a new amendment.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 10:55 AM (Nq/UF)


Which option were you going with?  Keep this nation and jail the Barky admin and a wide range of other blatant law-breakers or start anew?


I think States leaving is more likely than jailing the traitors and criminals destroyers from this administration.  This nation really doesn't seem to have the stomach to acknowledge reality.  Short of that, we've already let the Indonesian Imbecile and his junta make too much a mockery of the Rule of Law, even allowing Barky to explicitly shit all over the very foundation of it with his empathetic latina pick.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 07:01 AM (X3lox)

321 "maverick muse your disjointed posts read like Stephen Hawking speaks."

The caps and comma keys are your friends...

Posted by: Pedantry Q. Grammatic at March 27, 2012 07:01 AM (PMGbu)

322

When it is 75 degrees in Chicago in the beginning of March, you start thinking...

I bet Duke's gonna do really well in my Bracket



 

Posted by: Emporer Barry at March 27, 2012 07:02 AM (SO2Q8)

323 Maverick Muse, do you have any links to support what you are saying?  Any facts?   I am not ridiculing you or your uncle, but you are implying that our military would have no problem firing on citizens.  That is insulting not just to me, but to your uncle if he is real.  To all former and current military mebers.  Calm down.  Stop with these violent fantasies.  If you really do care about the country, then stop smearing one of the very few remaining pillers on which she stands.

Posted by: thunderb at March 27, 2012 07:02 AM (Dnbau)

324

Yes, my uncle enlisted as a private in the Army and served active duty in combat throughout WWII (Europe and then Japan) and the Korean War COMBAT given Hamburger Hill, after which he'd risen in rank to full Colonel by virtue of his many successful heroics.

Hamburger Hill was in Vietnam, genius.

----

Pork Chop Hill, the OTHER White Meat Hill

Posted by: Emporer Barry at March 27, 2012 07:03 AM (SO2Q8)

325 The non-citizens in our military are green card holders and the like.  That sort of citizenship process, instituted BEFORE they were even considered for service, generally, precludes the classification of "mercenary" for them.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 07:03 AM (X3lox)

326 In reference to a comment made upthread, coal does not "sux" as I think it was put.
Fluidized bed combustion and electrolytic/alkaline stack scrubbing makes coal burning compare favorably with gas or heavier oil combustion.
The installation costs are extremely steep.
There has been no governmental help in the cost of installations-preference has been given to solar panel and windmill technology.
Algae seems promising to some.
The coal industry is dying, because of the Democrats.
In Western Kentucky, unemployed miners are overwhelmingly Democrat, and on food stamps. There's always meth labs, I suppose.

Posted by: tubal at March 27, 2012 07:05 AM (BoE3Z)

327

When it is 75 degrees in Chicago in the beginning of March, you start thinking.

---

This explains so much about the last 3 years. It's been too cold for his brain to function.

 

Posted by: Emporer Barry at March 27, 2012 07:06 AM (SO2Q8)

328 In other news:

So-called scientists are hard at work at finding dilithium crystals.  Well, about 10 of them are, the other 99% think power comes out of the power outlet in the wall

Posted by: What a Jerk at March 27, 2012 07:07 AM (u4/vX)

329 Which option were you going with? Keep this nation and jail the Barky admin and a wide range of other blatant law-breakers or start anew?

Option 1 would be my preference. I don't really see a whole lot of difference. If you want good governance you've got to have good representatives in government and if you want good representatives you've got to have a good people. With a good people either option succeeds and with a bad people either option fails.

Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 07:13 AM (Nq/UF)

330 Bloomberg TV just broke this story.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 07:14 AM (X3lox)

331

325 ...and why do you hate nevergive up?

 

Yeah, I don't get it either. .....Too much cafeine?

 

Hey maverick muse, decaf is your friend.

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2012 07:14 AM (dEMjC)

332 wheatie i even took the time to read up thread in case i missed something....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 07:18 AM (Ho2rs)

333

"...were that member of the military a noncitizen mercenary. As to ridiculing my uncle's memory because nevergiveup refuses to admit ignorance as to the definition of a mercenary..."

 

writing from across the pond here... non-US citizens that serve in the US mil are US soldiers, with rank and subject to UCMJ just like GI Joe born in Texas.  Same training, same rules, same uniform.  The only way you would know the difference is if

A) you were informed

or

B) you're really good at recognizing accents.

 

loyalty to the nation and Service

 

 

Posted by: eurw at March 27, 2012 07:18 AM (jRH35)

334 Posted by: Heorot at March 27, 2012 11:13 AM (Nq/UF)

The question is what reasonable options are left when the full (LOL) faith and credit has been sucked out of the system, as is the present case.  You can't just reflate it like the money supply.  Faith in the system, which is an absolute necessity (and I'm only talking about those who actually would follow the system having faith in it, not the left who would just destroy it, no matter what)  does not just reappear because an obvious criminal and/or his gang have been tossed out of office.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2012 07:19 AM (X3lox)

335

Phonenis Girl,

 

Maverick Muse said US military was full of "mercenaries" of foreign birth and that would make our forces more prone to fire on US citizens if directed to.  Nevergiveup challanged Muses facts and assumptions.  Insults ensued, and we are well off topic and off to the races.

Posted by: thunderb at March 27, 2012 07:22 AM (Dnbau)

336

Next step - rationing.

 

 

Posted by: Mikey NTH at March 27, 2012 07:24 AM (hLRSq)

337

You know, those North Koreans seemed to be doing pretty OK without much electricity.  It looked like instead of "rolling black-outs," where the lack of electricity was the deviation from the norm, instead they were enjoying "rolling light-ons," where for an hour or two per day they got to have some electricity.

 

Really, it was a beautiful thing.  They'd raise their voices in thanks to Dear Leader, and then quickly go about the things they needed electricity for.  Like recharging the batteries for their State-issued radio, and boiling some water for their evening meal of dirtbread dumplings.

Posted by: Baraka Obama at March 27, 2012 07:25 AM (5npD/)

338 When it is 75 degrees in Chicago in the beginning of March, you start thinking...

Don't overtax that peabrain of yours, Barry:

Weather conditions similar to 2012 occurred in the winter of 1942, when the U.S. Midwest was unusually warm, and when the Wehrmacht encountered the formidable forces of “General Frost” in a Russian winter not unlike the one Russians just had.

http://tinyurl.com/blpp4kx

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 27, 2012 07:26 AM (w/anX)

339 PROVEN TECHNOLOGY
You can't have coal. That's bad
You can't have oil. That's bad
You can't have nuclear. That's bad
You can't have hydroelectric. That's bad
You can have natural gas, but no pipelines. Since no oil transport costs are high

UNPROVEN TECHNOLOGY
You can have wind power. Even if the cost is high and power is unreliable (hot day + no wind = air conditioning - power)
You can have solar. Even if the cost is high and the power is unreliable (hot night = air conditioning - power)

PROVEN POLICY
Taxation

UNPROVEN POLICY
Subsidizes for the things that don't work.

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at March 27, 2012 07:26 AM (l8nIR)

340 It works for Obamacare too.  We know that chemo and radiation and surgery can possibly cure your cancer, but we won't treat you until there is a cure for the disease. 

Posted by: no good deed at March 27, 2012 07:28 AM (mjR67)

341 You know, those North Koreans seemed to be doing pretty OK without much electricity. And did you see the children? Not one of them was obese!

Posted by: Michelle Obama at March 27, 2012 07:28 AM (snRY5)

342 thunderb read all that.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 27, 2012 07:29 AM (Ho2rs)

343 Good luck with Pennsylvania, Obama.

If Bush can come within a point of winning it, I think a candidate that can actually put a sentence together and is running against an opponent with 8% unemployment and $5 gas has a pretty good shot.

Posted by: BradleyHarm at March 27, 2012 07:30 AM (0kf1G)

344 Old Sheila bringing her Mars Flag to the meeting

 

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 27, 2012 10:31 AM (i6RpT)

 

Sheila may be out to lunch on 99% of her life, but there's one thing she excels at, and that's winning her district.  I saw a repeat presentation last night from one of the TrueTheVote peeps (which started in Harris County, TX).  When they suspected vote fraud, they had suspicions.  Then they saw the percentages for her district.  If only she used her power for good...

Posted by: RushBabe, Praying for Divine Intervention at March 27, 2012 07:32 AM (tQHzJ)

345

joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy

*Whoa, it's almost as if this massive fusion source in the sky has an influence on the earth's climate. But that's not what Hansen and the IPCC said, so how can this be true?!*

The nasa article also states co2 is a cooling gas. I'm wondering if the narrative will shift to the theory that human co2 will start a glaciation. That would probably work. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Bill In CT at March 27, 2012 07:35 AM (Uf5Bp)

346 This sort of thing doesn't get nearly enough attention, even from the putative right side of the spectrum. The reality is that presidents have vast, nearly plenary powers when it comes to agencies and regulations. When you take into account the EPA, the NLRB and HHS, the White House has the ability to engage in pocket legislation on a grand scale, with virtually no counterweight other than the lengthy and costly process of companies filing lawsuits. If Obama is given yet another four years in control over the federal agencies and their regulatory processes he will destroy entire industries and literally millions of high-paying jobs.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 27, 2012 07:36 AM (r2PLg)

347

*If Obama is given yet another four years in control over the federal agencies and their regulatory processes he will destroy entire industries and literally millions of high-paying jobs. *

Truth. His next term will give him more flexibility to do so.

Posted by: Bill In CT at March 27, 2012 07:41 AM (Uf5Bp)

348 The left are human fucking trash.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at March 27, 2012 07:42 AM (ZPrif)

349 Mmm. Pork chops.

Posted by: homer simpson at March 27, 2012 07:45 AM (6RnvM)

350

I'd add an "up their ass sideways" clause for doing stupid shit anyways regardless of the obvious consequences.

Hey!  You forgot us!

Posted by: The pineapple and barbed c#%k of Satan at March 27, 2012 07:52 AM (tQHzJ)

351 One thing I'll say about my Welsh mercs, they were good with the longbow

Posted by: Edward Longshanks at March 27, 2012 07:55 AM (QTHTd)

352 #78 Bill,  did you see where they said that all of that energy was sent back out by the CO2?   So,  like CO2 deflects energy as well as trapping it?

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 27, 2012 07:58 AM (GoIUi)

353

"Not one of them was obese!"

True, and they were all such good veggie-eaters!  I mean, entire lawns were apparently made out of bean-sprouts!

Posted by: Baraka Obama at March 27, 2012 08:13 AM (sPO/s)

354

Hey Coal producing states like West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, good going electing this "Historic" precident!  And I'm from Ohio.  I'm so ashamed.  We also helped put Jimmah in office.

 

Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 27, 2012 08:17 AM (JKNDp)

355 Gas prices and rolling blackouts (racist!) will make it a nice hot summer.

Posted by: Roy at March 27, 2012 08:25 AM (VndSC)

356

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 27, 2012 10:32 AM (kdS6q)

 

Ben Jealous?  OK....moving right along...

 

Daniel Gross, President, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

Looks like Holder is kicking off Operation Slow and Spurious with a bang!

Is it OK to say "bang" is that context?

 

Posted by: 66chevelle at March 27, 2012 08:34 AM (QjSgY)

357 Pardon me, but there are multiple federal lawsuits filed, going back to 2009, about the fraud and procedural misdeeds contained in EPA's endangerment finding process--i.e. farming out the "science" to the IPCC, which it cannot do--on which this totalitarian tripe is based.
Cannot one of the judges involved enjoin these rules due to the pending litigation?

Posted by: SOYLENT GREEN at March 27, 2012 08:35 AM (M/WbE)

358 Miss Marple Yes, I noticed that. Unsettling the science!

Posted by: Bill in CT at March 27, 2012 08:39 AM (Uf5Bp)

359 @357, Aye they did good service.
But there was a security leek.

Posted by: The Plack Prince at March 27, 2012 09:07 AM (ZOlM3)

360 As I am more than happy to say everytime this subject comes up, I lost my job three years ago as a direct result of "The War on Affordable Power." With in the span of six months, every coal plant project (six in total) I was working on negotiating contracts for got killed. And with it, my job. I am now employed at 50% of my old salary (and happy to have a job) doing real estate leases for a telecom company. My job went, not to mention all the others such as pipefitters, concrete, electricians and tons of other peoples whose trade were relying on those project.  

Posted by: JamesT at March 27, 2012 09:14 AM (+q3dR)

361 How is Indiana supposed to get power? No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die.

Posted by: Barack Goldfinger at March 27, 2012 09:17 AM (2jQGY)

362 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2012 09:53 AM (7W3wI)

363 Enjoy those sweet summer blackouts folks!

Posted by: steevy at March 27, 2012 09:53 AM (7W3wI)

364 All of this is still being done in the name of the Global Warming scam that has already been proved to be a fraud.

Posted by: Vic at March 27, 2012 10:04 AM (YdQQY)

365 @ Ohio Dan, #360

Urban Ohioans am stupid, Dan. So are a lot of the rural folk sucking off the gubmint tit. Those of us with jobs, brains, and a fundamental understanding of economics and government are the sad bastards paying the price, but you can put most of this on the good folk of Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, and the other major towns in this once-fine state.

Posted by: Miller at March 27, 2012 10:51 AM (S4iiU)

366 >Classic misdirection. You were paying attention to the left hand proclaiming ...  while the other left hand was quietly going about ...



You just described YOUR OWN BLOG, Ace

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 27, 2012 10:58 AM (8sCoq)

367 Thanks for sharing, please keep an update about this info. love to read it more. i like this site too much.

Posted by: Bear Meets Girl ePub at March 28, 2012 06:17 PM (VdybU)

368 Well just think we will have 4 more years of his wonderful plans to turn the U.S. into a socialist country.
You better get some windmills set up in your yards and buy oil lamps, oh yes you will need wood burning stoves for cooking and heating. Guess living out in the country is looking better and better all the time.

Posted by: Tricia at April 02, 2012 07:39 AM (6SSkZ)

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