November 20, 2012
— Ace Well, they put it as "the name of the man who edited the talking points." I just cut out the middleman.
We'll have to wait for a long, exhaustive investigation to find this out for sure. Should be sometime in 2017.
The Senate Intelligence Committee chairman says Congress has ordered the Obama administration to explain who exactly created its “talking points” on the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi, Libya, and who omitted the CIA’s early conclusion that terrorists were involved.
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Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:41 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 11:42 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: tasker at November 20, 2012 11:42 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 11:42 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 20, 2012 11:43 AM (C2//T)
Posted by: alec at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (usWYv)
Another step on the road.
slightly OT: There is a flipside to all of the wailing, gnashing of teeth, and slashing of wrists that the right was doing after the elections, some thing much more dangerous. That is "Victory Disease". The Japanese suffered from it after Pearl Harbor and, God willing, the Democrats will suffer from it now.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - counting down... at November 20, 2012 11:44 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: IBT at November 20, 2012 11:45 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Dante at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (NWLVJ)
Posted by: Golan Globus at November 20, 2012 11:46 AM (7vSU0)
Arrest all of them. Let's make it a spectacle. LIB!!
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (qnk1H)
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2012 03:45 PM (GQ8sn)
More like a ferret-weasel-human mix.
Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 03:41 PM (RD7QR)
Exactly. We already know legal sanctions won't be applied to any wrongdoers in this whole affair, so why should the bad guys fess up? If they ignore the order, the worst they get is a reprimand. Even if it goes to the Supreme Court, what's going to happen? Absolutely nothing. A strongly worded note perhaps, or a stinging summation. That's all. No prison time. No loss of position or removal from office. No justice. Just words.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit[/i][/b][/u] at November 20, 2012 11:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2012 11:49 AM (GQ8sn)
We'll have to wait for a long, exhaustive investigation to find this out. Should be sometime in 2017.
You're so optimistic, ace! 2017? You're off by about a century.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit[/i][/b][/u] at November 20, 2012 11:49 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:49 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: GalosGann at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (T3KlW)
Advice: Don't stop what you're doing. It's rather unlikely you're going to miss anything...
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (vd7A8)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Susan Estrich at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (I2LwF)
If you are too ashamed to admit you did something, then maybe you SHOULDN'T HAVE FUCKING DONE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
Posted by: tcn at November 20, 2012 11:50 AM (ZOUmX)
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (LCRYB)
As a precaution, I would advice the Park Service to close the gates to Fort Marcy Park from now until, oh, maybe sometime this summer.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 20, 2012 11:51 AM (sbV1u)
I know this cover-up stuff is important, but to me, I wanna know what is being covered up first. Why wasn't extra security given? Who denied it? Who nixed any help on 9/11 for the consulate and why?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (3BbLJ)
You mean its either Mr. Hope or Ms. Change?
Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2012 03:51 PM (LCRYB)
The asshole will probably serve Dos Equis.
Posted by: tcn at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (ZOUmX)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 03:49 PM (YdQQY)
Contempt charges would mean something if politicians still felt shame and/or regret. The word "contempt" used to actually MEAN something. Now, like everything, it's just another word.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit[/i][/b][/u] at November 20, 2012 11:52 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tcn
You're talking about an administration lead by the guy who said this, “As President, I cannot just impose my will on Congress — the Congress of the United States — even though sometimes I wish I could.”
He's not ashamed. He just wants his way.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 20, 2012 11:53 AM (ON54M)
If you are too ashamed to admit you did something, then maybe you SHOULDN'T HAVE FUCKING DONE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
Posted by: tcn at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (ZOUmX)
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That's some tough talk right there.
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 11:54 AM (qnk1H)
Rice does not report to State but directly to Obama (and if Vic is here -- I confirmed with former UN spokesman Richard Grenell that Obama made the UN Ambassador a cabinet position reporting directly to him *not* to State).
Posted by: angienc at November 20, 2012 11:55 AM (w3JGl)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 11:55 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: TMZ Twitter Voter at November 20, 2012 11:55 AM (YGHl3)
Garrett has ordered the White House to hold a beer summit for Ross and Rachel.
Can he do that? Is he allowed step in here and post zingers?
Mmmm! Zingers...
Posted by: fluffy snack cakes at November 20, 2012 11:55 AM (4pSIn)
Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 20, 2012 11:56 AM (ApUNj)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2012 11:56 AM (R8hU8)
However, it is important that the President and his 'people' seem to have been lying about the intelligence assessments since the debacle.
Why was our ambassador not more well better protected?
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 11:56 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 11:57 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (eEfYn)
It matters to the bus.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (79ueO)
Good for them. It was hudna all along.
Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Max Power at November 20, 2012 11:58 AM (q177U)
If this was happening 40 years ago, the regime would be bringing in artillery and infantry battalians to defend DC from the riots.
How low we have fallen.
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (qnk1H)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (R8hU
Disagree. His approval with his base might go up a couple points.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 20, 2012 03:52 PM (4df7R)
Actually the DOJ is supposed to prosecute contempt charges but that would require Holder to prosecute himself.
In a Republican admin they would already have named a special prosecutor.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 11:59 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: NY Times Editor, Sgt Schlutz at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at November 20, 2012 12:00 PM (2VCZA)
The only reason it matters is if the Republicans are serious about impeachment. That is, proving that Obama either directly approved them, or at least had to have known about the changes, helps build that case.
OTOH, making the question "Who edited the talking points," conveniently side steps the issues of "Who ordered the stand-down," and why the film maker is in prison.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 03:59 PM (zpqa2)
---- Good point
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2012 03:56 PM (79ueO)
Cankles Clinton is on the case. All will be well.
Posted by: Rev. Ronster at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (nQMHQ)
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Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 20, 2012 12:01 PM (0q2P7)
I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it. He eats breakfast 300 yards away from 400 Republicans that are trained to mock him. And nobody's going to tell him how to run his government least of all the Harvard mouth in his faggoty blue suit and red power tie. I need to shake him, put him on the defensive and lead him right where he's dying to go.
Posted by: Senator Daniel Kaffee, USNR (Ret) at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2012 03:50 PM (QKKT0)
Wasn't Biden on the Intelligence Committee at one point?
Posted by: tofer732 at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (2zM0P)
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at November 20, 2012 04:00 PM (2VCZA)
Preaching to the choir there, friend. But it doesn't matter -- he'll never get so much as a smack on the hand.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit[/i][/b][/u] at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Vinny Obama at November 20, 2012 12:02 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at November 20, 2012 04:00 PM (2VCZA)
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That was true in the old United States of America. Now, we're new and improved. Thanks 52%ers.
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (qnk1H)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 03:58 PM (zpqa2)
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Nah. Just another 'bump in the road'
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (eEfYn)
Posted by: Dang at November 20, 2012 12:03 PM (R18D0)
After all it can't be too important. The MFM is not leading with it every night for months.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2012 12:04 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 20, 2012 12:04 PM (Ezq3m)
Posted by: maddogg at November 20, 2012 12:04 PM (OlN4e)
Its ridiculous, I knew it was terrorism when I heard about it.
The main point is not what they did to cover up it was terrorism. The point is why did they not help those people or provide adequate security.
Congress is investigating who lied instead who was complicit in the murder of four Americans.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (3BbLJ)
Oh hey look.
Pulling Rice's ladder to State is a noble cause and all, and I'm sure she was *into it* when they were making up a story, but there's your guy.
If it were Rice's work, the "talking points" would have blamed the Jews. "Christian blasphemers" is Petraeus's personal bogeyman.
Stop being chumps.
Posted by: oblig. at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (cePv8)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (VtjlW)
"The only reason it matters is if the Republicans are serious about impeachment. That is, proving that Obama either directly approved them, or at least had to have known about the changes, helps build that case."
Then they would have to grow some balls. And we know that the Republicans do not have the balls to do it. I say we don't hear about Benghazi at all after the new year.
Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 20, 2012 12:05 PM (ApUNj)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (eEfYn)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 12:06 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit[/i][/b][/u] at November 20, 2012 12:07 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2012 12:08 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2012 04:08 PM (R8hU
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Or maybe consistent italics?
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (eEfYn)
I'll say it again. It really is time for states to start separating from DC completely.
DC has proven itself over the last ten or so years that it has become non-representative of 50% of the American people. It's time to divide. And I think it could be done relatively peacefully. Maybe.
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 12:09 PM (qnk1H)
So what do you think will happen with this?
Not only will the press actively work against it, the public doesn't even *want* it. Dear Leader and all...
Hosed.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at November 20, 2012 12:10 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 12:10 PM (e0xKF)
I guess I've been clapped off?
Posted by: Gen. Clapper at November 20, 2012 12:10 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 12:11 PM (VtjlW)
I don't see what the big deal is. Obama's responsible, no matter who actually did it, and Obama didn't give any sort of correction, despite many opportunites, and being asked directly multiple times.
Again, what is anybody after? Does anybody really not know that Obama misled the public on this? Does anybody think it will nullify the election, or that it represents an impeachable offense?
Let's move on to important things, like why the consulate was denied security, and why Obama didn't order the military to go in and help.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 12:11 PM (Mxt9o)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 04:05 PM (VtjlW)
ISWYDT
Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 20, 2012 12:12 PM (X/+QT)
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2012 04:06 PM (eEfYn)
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Oh, you mean like if Algore were preezy? Eat my shit, fuckwad.
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 12:12 PM (qnk1H)
Obama has the buck on a giant lazy suzy so that its easier to pass.
Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2012 12:12 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Optimizer at November 20, 2012 04:11 PM (Mxt9o)
Nah. Let's not.
Posted by: MFM Fuckwits at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 04:12 PM (qnk1H)
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Sorry. Didn't see the snark slash. I'm feeling really edgy today.
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (qnk1H)
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2012 04:12 PM (qnk1H)
How does my dick taste, assholes?
Posted by: Greg, Nate Silver's love child at November 20, 2012 12:13 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 04:11 PM (VtjlW)
Alex, thats the most interesting thing I've read today and I don't even have a chicken choking clue what you're talking about. Seriously.
Posted by: maddogg at November 20, 2012 12:14 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2012 12:16 PM (m2CN7)
By the way, a bit of Cliff Clavin trivia.
Pass the buck originates from playing poker when the deal is past between players. Most times it was marked with a knife whose handles were made from antlers hence the term buck. Eventually the marker was changed to mostly a silver dollar thus the nickname for a dollar became a buck.
Posted by: polynikes at November 20, 2012 12:20 PM (m2CN7)
Frankly, I'm coming around to the opinion that the idea of popular election (even through two levels of indirection via the states and the electoral college) is now doing more harm than good.
Can someone explain to me why we would not be better off as a parliamentary system with a head of government elected by the House? I'm no longer convinced that sub-rosa coalitions under the rubric of two dominant political parties is preferable to a more open structure with minor parties providing the balance of power.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2012 12:20 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 12:22 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2012 12:23 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2012 12:25 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 04:22 PM (VtjlW)
You might point out that some point something permanent is going to happen to one of them and all that pointless bullshit they are wasting their precious time on is going to come back and hurt. And hurt long. And hurt deep. Just a thought. Worth what it cost.
Posted by: maddogg at November 20, 2012 12:26 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 20, 2012 12:27 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: CarolT at November 20, 2012 12:34 PM (UyYYt)
(Cliff's notes version: after twenty-plus years of marriage and a variety of mistresses and bastards he finally puts matters over the edge when he decides that a fourteen-year-old French princess - who'd been betrothed to their second son Richard for eight years - was next.)
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2012 12:35 PM (o+SC1)
Well, you know what other ex-President must be happy these days? Warren G. Harding. Because rightly or wrongly, his gets referred to as "the most corrupt Administration in U.S. History.
I'm picturing Harding's smiling face on one of those "Miss Me Yet?" billboards.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 20, 2012 12:58 PM (Jdtsu)
Posted by: Obama Administration at November 20, 2012 01:42 PM (Z/Rsb)
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Posted by: alec at November 20, 2012 11:40 AM (usWYv)