December 11, 2012
— Ace Unconscionable.
White House spokesman Jay Carney declined to condemn the increasing violence and threats by union members in Michigan, merely telling reporters Tuesday that “the president believes in debate that’s civil.”When asked by a reporter about a claim by Michigan state Democrat that “there will be blood” should Republicans pass a union-choice law in Michigan, Carney professed ignorance and then downplayed the comment.
“I haven’t see those comments, and I’m not sure they mean what someone interprets them to mean,” he said.
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Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 11, 2012 02:49 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: and irresolute at December 11, 2012 02:49 PM (DBH1h)
/CWA Local Eat a Bowl of Dicks
Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at December 11, 2012 02:49 PM (aozUR)
Posted by: and irresolute at December 11, 2012 02:51 PM (DBH1h)
“I haven’t see those comments, and I’m not sure they mean what someone interprets them to mean,”
"Is your name, in fact, Jay Carney?"
"Not necessarily"
Posted by: fluffy at December 11, 2012 02:51 PM (4pSIn)
Oh okay.
Tell us what those calls for blood and war...mean...Mr. Carney.
We're just too stoopid to understand those words.
Posted by: wheatie at December 11, 2012 02:51 PM (CM59X)
Posted by: Wm. T. Sherman at December 11, 2012 02:51 PM (ypzqs)
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Wait....what?
Let me guess....no one followed up on this nonsensical answer?
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2012 02:52 PM (X6akg)
How else could the those words be interpreted?
Really is there a follow up question from these mfm idiots? Hello.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2012 02:52 PM (n/ubI)
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 02:52 PM (W+Itt)
He is proof that there is hope for the rest of them too.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2012 02:53 PM (ccXZP)
In other news, shit stinks and dead rats don't move on their own.
Posted by: Llarry at December 11, 2012 02:53 PM (nMCEa)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at December 11, 2012 02:53 PM (xry1J)
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out, Jay.
Posted by: dantesed at December 11, 2012 02:53 PM (4OP0E)
Posted by: CraigPoe at December 11, 2012 02:54 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 11, 2012 02:54 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2012 02:54 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 11, 2012 02:54 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Barry at December 11, 2012 06:53 PM (cUZV3)
It is also a construct that helps a lot in building and maintaining a civilization!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 02:55 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 11, 2012 02:55 PM (CzPiL)
It's hard to have a mob and have the ability to stop one of these fanatics from trying to go after one of these legislators.
Posted by: runninrebel at December 11, 2012 02:55 PM (je2hI)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 02:55 PM (aLLUm)
Fuck.
Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at December 11, 2012 02:55 PM (aozUR)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 11, 2012 02:56 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 11, 2012 02:56 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: Alex #11 at December 11, 2012 02:56 PM (0GwDX)
I think that the FNC correspondent (or, maybe Tapper?) should just put the Left's words in the Right's mouth when they ask the question. Then Carney will comment and then you can turn it right around on him.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2012 02:56 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Lil Barky O at December 11, 2012 02:56 PM (IlZPo)
Posted by: Johnnyreb at December 11, 2012 02:57 PM (OH5k9)
Its no doubt they would not condemn, the just today officially recognized the Syrian rebels but also there is this:
State Department: "Syrian Jihadist Group Al-Nusra Front An Alias For Al-Qaeda In IraqÂ…"
So they are officially recognizing the rebels of which they call terrorists.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2012 02:57 PM (n/ubI)
We're Going To Have a "Civil War"
OK, got it.
Posted by: Led Assault and Battery at December 11, 2012 02:58 PM (vhwRj)
You don't say...
Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at December 11, 2012 02:58 PM (aozUR)
Posted by: Johnnyreb at December 11, 2012 06:57 PM (OH5k9)
_________________________
Yeah but dead Democrats in Detroit vote earlier and more often than dead Democrats in Milwaukee.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 11, 2012 02:59 PM (HDgX3)
On second thought the filthy mouthpiece may have a point about that not meaning what the left thinks it means. At some point some folks are gonna get tired of payin for other peoples shit and bein told they aren't doin it good enough. At some point its open season on grifters and hobos but especially fat, lazy, beer guzzling, grifters.
Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 11, 2012 02:59 PM (CzPiL)
(Which was always true in some sense. After all, firefighters fight fire...)Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 02:59 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Southern white dude at December 11, 2012 02:59 PM (Q3g/2)
Posted by: SamInVA at December 11, 2012 03:00 PM (YCvRs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:00 PM (79ueO)
Act like Han! Be a Morwen! There is probably no tomorrow, so one may as well just whump the jam and let it be, let it be. I am beginning to hate, a little...
Posted by: and irresolute at December 11, 2012 03:00 PM (DBH1h)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 11, 2012 03:00 PM (bb5+k)
If Jesse Jackson had one of his chicklets broken by a tes party person, or anyone, would it be front page news?
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 03:00 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 11, 2012 03:00 PM (0q2P7)
There comes a time when you have to make comparisons between the early rule of socialist workers who use beefy working-class types to rile up the masses. It's kind of hard _not_ to see the comparison.
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 11, 2012 03:01 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 11, 2012 03:01 PM (Gk3SS)
Can we all just pause for a moment to consider the indignity of being called "Obama's Mouthpiece?"
Better his, I guess, than Bill Clinton's.
Posted by: SamInVA at December 11, 2012 03:01 PM (YCvRs)
Posted by: MSM Spin doctors at December 11, 2012 03:02 PM (wR+pz)
“I haven’t seen those comments..."
Then how do you justify your ample salary? Just what is it you do?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 11, 2012 03:02 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 11, 2012 03:02 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 03:02 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:03 PM (piMMO)
drove a diesel van
Wore his gun outside his pants,
for all the honest world to feel.
Posted by: Led Assault and Battery at December 11, 2012 03:03 PM (vhwRj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:03 PM (79ueO)
The beltway sniper, what ever happened to him?
It's like Carney is saying that guy "might not" have had a grudge against Americans
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2012 03:03 PM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Gender-Neutrality Specialist at December 11, 2012 03:04 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:04 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 03:04 PM (OqWMe)
Time to admit out loud what we know and see.
Direct calls for violence. Violence happens. President endorces it by silence.
Not happenstance. This is planned.
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 03:04 PM (W+Itt)
Well, this is what you get when you vote for a community organizer - aka rabble rousing thug - for President.
Amerikka - you got exactly what you ordered.
Motherfuckers. Every last single one of you fucks that voted for this fuck.
Posted by: LGoPs at December 11, 2012 03:04 PM (BJVEF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:04 PM (piMMO)
Nah. If it smells like sulfur, that's just Barky's normal odor.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2012 03:05 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 11, 2012 03:05 PM (BuSM8)
So, how did all the union member's money used for this stupid ad work?
Not that good.
http://tinyurl.com/2ftapog
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:06 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 03:06 PM (OqWMe)
Posted by: The Future at December 11, 2012 03:06 PM (RLTt1)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:06 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:06 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:06 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: eureka! LiFBer at December 11, 2012 03:06 PM (HPRku)
Got it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 07:03 PM (piMMO)
How dare you try to apply logic to my idiot rant.
Posted by: Bob "Tubby" Beckel at December 11, 2012 03:06 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 03:07 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: Union Thugs & the JEF at December 11, 2012 03:07 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:08 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 11, 2012 03:08 PM (LnQr8)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 03:08 PM (ZPrif)
Barky called the tune, I think We should just shut up and dance! Find a million ways to make the grifters and takers miserable. Charge em more, video tape em buying shit with EBT cards, ridicule and scorn for fat ass lazy grifters and professional baby makers.
Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 11, 2012 03:08 PM (CzPiL)
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 03:09 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:09 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: 13 year old teen with a gun at December 11, 2012 03:09 PM (ccXZP)
Channeling Gibson selective ignorance I see.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 11, 2012 03:09 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 03:10 PM (W+Itt)
"Apparently I'm the only union member on this website"
Not-so-proud member of the Air Line Pilots Association here.
Posted by: Phat at December 11, 2012 03:10 PM (7rP1z)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 11, 2012 07:02 PM (sZTYJ)
Well played sir!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 03:10 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:10 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:10 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 07:08 PM (ZPrif)
________________
Trick question. Nobody in a union actually works.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 11, 2012 03:10 PM (HDgX3)
It's NOT over, till we say its over!
http://tinyurl.com/3ss566p
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:10 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 03:11 PM (ZPrif)
The boot heel of my enlightened reasoning will crush the windpipe of your stubborn ignorance.
Posted by: Jimmy Hoffa at December 11, 2012 03:11 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 11, 2012 03:11 PM (JiZ2G)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:11 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 11, 2012 03:11 PM (83wHT)
Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2012 03:12 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Get in their faces! at December 11, 2012 03:12 PM (LpQbZ)
There comes a time when you have to make comparisons between the early rule of socialist workers who use beefy working-class types to rile up the masses. It's kind of hard _not_ to see the comparison.
Posted by: Palandine at December 11, 2012 07:01 PM (g7D8V)
It is especially annoying when the comparisons are so close and so accurate. As a matter of fact, the comparisons are so accurate that I have been seriously considering removing myself from public discussion of politics.
The shit's starting to get real.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 11, 2012 03:12 PM (bb5+k)
At what point do we seriously start to tune out to the reality around us because it's too much to take anymore and start buying lots of ammo, gold and land in Montana?
About six weeks ago.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 11, 2012 03:13 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:13 PM (aLLUm)
The reference to refighting the Battle of the Overpass is a direct call to violence.
Does that refer to a Teamsters strike back in the 70s?
Posted by: fluffy at December 11, 2012 03:13 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:13 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 03:13 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2012 03:14 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: fluffy at December 11, 2012 07:13 PM (4pSIn)
No, 30's http://tinyurl.com/axo9ezz
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:15 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 11, 2012 03:15 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: BurnBabyBurn at December 11, 2012 03:15 PM (dkExz)
My idiot mom and idiot sister voted for that fuck. I have as little to do with them as possible.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2012 03:16 PM (QKKT0)
Holder is having the DoJ research now to file charges against Crowder under the agent provocateur Executive Order they are drafting concurrently!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 03:16 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 07:06 PM (79ueO)
Hey nevergiveup. I know you wear the uniform and you have my respect for that. I wore it too, back during the Cold War. But lately I've been thinking that I wouldn't wear it again. Not for what these ingrates around me - supposed fellow Americans - have turned our country into. I don't think I'd be willing to fight for these fuckers...hell, I'd be more inclined to fight them.
I'm not intimating or hinting in any way that your service isn't valuable or should be questioned. Just rambling because I am so, so, very pissed off. And saddened.
Posted by: LGoPs at December 11, 2012 03:16 PM (BJVEF)
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 11, 2012 03:16 PM (y5uWA)
(He's never let his Gay family, consisting of Holder and Carney down.)Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:17 PM (aLLUm)
But first, they will blow me.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at December 11, 2012 07:14 PM (16UJh)
Hello, my union brother! CWA Local 13100 here! Enjoy your dues $s at work!
Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at December 11, 2012 03:17 PM (aozUR)
Oh, so the union went out of their way to find you a new job.
Right?
RIGHT?
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2012 03:17 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: rickl at December 11, 2012 03:18 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:18 PM (piMMO)
If you were observing this country on the city, country, and state levels you would see the progressive model failing and on the run.
Yet we have this monster state at the federal level that no one wants to deal with. It's created so many dependents and its fixes would be so traumatic that it cannot be reformed without the force of major events (Major Events).
One scenario at this point is that the debt crisis undermines the rule of the federal government to the point that states assume formal powers, localize federal assets, and acts to insulate state residents from federal debt obligations.
My ideal scenario is that during this process a virus spreads that kills most men and all women except those between the ages of 24 and 35 with nice bodies and good psychology.
Posted by: runninrebel at December 11, 2012 03:18 PM (je2hI)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at December 11, 2012 03:18 PM (3EC+f)
Posted by: Mike James at December 11, 2012 03:19 PM (cgDgK)
Sure sounds win-win to me!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 03:19 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Mrsp at December 11, 2012 03:19 PM (tgRSU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:19 PM (79ueO)
Badly.
Then he can bring out the tanks and go from there.
/yes, I know this sounds all NWO crazy.
Posted by: shibumi at December 11, 2012 03:19 PM (z63Tr)
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 11, 2012 03:19 PM (QxSug)
Why the hell do I get IAFF shit in the mail? I'm on every right wing mailing list there is.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 03:20 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 11, 2012 03:20 PM (jLiVY)
Okay, that's gross. But obviously there COULD be more than one meaning.... couldn't there?
Oh, no, it's awfully clear what he meant, so Carney is just brain damaged. Or paid to be stupid. Maybe that.
Posted by: tcn at December 11, 2012 03:21 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:21 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:22 PM (piMMO)
I hope it keeps running for a while because I would hate to not own one.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 07:18 PM (piMMO)
Owning a shitty truck sucks, buy a real off road truck, AKA Land Cruiser.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:22 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:22 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Governors Walker and Snyder at December 11, 2012 03:23 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 11, 2012 03:23 PM (OevbG)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 07:22 PM (wR+pz)
Wanted one but couldn't even afford the abused ones!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 03:23 PM (Cnqmv)
As the din of AmericaÂ’s falling headfirst over the fiscal cliff reverberates across the nation, the Obama administration is quietly killing a key economic metric that tells how, and how many, people are voting with their feet.
http://tinyurl.com/ay9vrd2 (National Review)
Statistics available from the IRS since '91 are now being suppressed, since they tend to show people running in droves from blue states.
Transparency -- When they pop in your mouth, you won't see it coming.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2012 03:23 PM (ccXZP)
Violence is what Obama wants.
You know what'd be really cool? The governor calling out the National Guard after Hoffa's threat. Just to be safe, you know.
Then signing a warrent for Hoffa's arrest for threatening a government official.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 11, 2012 03:24 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 07:23 PM (Cnqmv)
Maybe you need one of those cushy union jobs. *ducks*
Posted by: tcn at December 11, 2012 03:24 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at December 11, 2012 07:21 PM (16UJh)
Too lazy to do the math, but it's somewhere between 1.5%-2% per paycheck. I don't even work in the communications field, but the governor mandated that state employees in my division (among others) unionize, for all intents and purposes. and being in a non-right to work state, I can't say "fuck it" and bail. Awesome.
Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at December 11, 2012 03:24 PM (aozUR)
Posted by: ette at December 11, 2012 03:25 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 03:25 PM (OqWMe)
Buy an old FJ 62. Great truck, own two. The new Cruisers are mommy wagons. FJ 80's don't buy one of those unless it has the V-8. Still, they are tanks. Gas mileage? 12MPG.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:25 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Governors Walker and Snyder at December 11, 2012 03:26 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: tcn at December 11, 2012 07:24 PM (VLG62)
Sooo, that's my financial problem--thanks!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 03:26 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:26 PM (aLLUm)
You’re ‘going to die painfully’: Gov. Snyder faces threats, death wishes over Mich. right-to-work bills
http://is.gd/0THiev
But, but Sawah Paywin used target symbolz in her ads!!!leleventy!1!
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 11, 2012 03:27 PM (TtXjG)
Posted by: Boehner Limber dick at December 11, 2012 03:27 PM (CzPiL)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:27 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: mon nom est mpfs at December 11, 2012 03:27 PM (4KDuG)
The NY Slime lede says he signed it, but they didn't update the story, WaPo says he signed it too.
Looks like both are just running he AP feed.
I guess they are in mourning.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:28 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: ArrMatey at December 11, 2012 03:28 PM (Vf2XE)
Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2012 03:28 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:28 PM (aLLUm)
Because there are soooo many ways to interpret what was said. Lying sack of shit. Barry is backing this like he was the union thuggery in Wisconsin
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 11, 2012 03:29 PM (nN/di)
Man, is it dark up here.
Posted by: Jay Carney's Head at December 11, 2012 03:29 PM (QKKT0)
BackwardsBoy, that would be cool.
Email is disregarded most times and there's not enough time for snail mail.
Looking up the phone number and will leave a message.
Now, if we could just get the assaulter's phone #.
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 03:29 PM (W+Itt)
150...Statistics available from the IRS since '91 are now being suppressed, since they tend to show people running in droves from blue states.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2012 07:23 PM (ccXZP)
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I think that there was a lot of fraud in 2010 Census figures.
And it's easy to figure out why...
The Dems are desperate to preserve the Electoral Votes in blue states...and also the Congressional seats.
But the IRS knows where people are.
So why do we even need to be doing a Census every 10 years?
Posted by: wheatie at December 11, 2012 03:29 PM (CM59X)
Sort of. National Guard troops are commanded by the governors of the states they are in. The president can nationalize them and take away that control.
So, yes, sort of.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:30 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 03:30 PM (OqWMe)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:30 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 11, 2012 03:30 PM (sZTYJ)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 03:30 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:31 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 11, 2012 03:31 PM (JiZ2G)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 03:32 PM (OqWMe)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 07:30 PM (piMMO)
All in the name of peace my brother!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children of course) at December 11, 2012 03:32 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:32 PM (aLLUm)
In California cops and firefighters are implacable consumers of our wealth who bankrupt cities rather than give an inch. They all retire on disability before fifty and then get second government jobs.
I met a former cop and firefighter who was working for the L.A.U.S.D. The way the pensions here work, you get your twenty-year pension after putting in ten years, so this guy put in ten years each in the LAPD and LAFD, walked away in perfect health at age 48, on a 90 percent-of-pay pension two careers and disability for one, and he was starting his third government job.
His plan was to retire at 58 from the L.A.U.S.D. on disability and with a 90-percent pension, so in the end he'd be getting about $400,000 a year, not counting his health insurance.
He laughed as he told me.
Cops and firefighters in California are no longer my heroes.
Posted by: Llarry at December 11, 2012 03:33 PM (nMCEa)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:33 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:33 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:34 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:34 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:35 PM (piMMO)
Why don't these obviously racist, chickenchit, assholes flock to Chicago any given weekend where dozens are dead.
Maybe cause they want bangers to have guns and white middle class not to? Now why would they want that? Redistribution by force? Wait isn't that what the Lyin kING is negotiating?
Posted by: ConcealedKerry Forgit Mitt at December 11, 2012 03:35 PM (CzPiL)
Not everyone files with the IRS. Wouldn't work with a census. Plus, all the illegals wouldn't get counted -- can't be having that.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2012 03:35 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:35 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 07:34 PM (79ueO)
All in the name of fairness my brother. The white man has had too many advantages in weaponry for far too long, and I aims to correct that!
Posted by: Barky O'Chooma at December 11, 2012 03:36 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:36 PM (aLLUm)
Llary, I can second what you say, on both firefighter and cop stuff.
Personal acquantainces. Living the life. Living it large.
Teachers fight like black arts ninjas for thier shit.
That's CA for you.
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 03:36 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 03:37 PM (bodka)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 07:34 PM (aLLUm)
That and the postal service.
Posted by: mugiwara at December 11, 2012 03:37 PM (hpYnL)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:37 PM (79ueO)
Look for the union label...then shop elsewhere or buy something else.
And if he wants a war, I hope he's one of the first people given an opportunity to die for his cause.
Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 11, 2012 03:38 PM (TggD9)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:38 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: runninrebel at December 11, 2012 07:18 PM (je2hI)
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But then, who would do the cooking?
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 11, 2012 03:38 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2012 03:38 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:38 PM (79ueO)
Union thug assaults innocent reporter 4 times while fighting for his rights he fought hard for. Only thing hard on that fat fuck is his head. Hit em in the knees hard, fast and often.
Posted by: ConcealedKerry Forgit Mitt at December 11, 2012 03:39 PM (CzPiL)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 03:39 PM (ZPrif)
Video: After Union Goons Destroy Conservative GroupÂ’s Tent, Teamster Thug Cuts Up Tent And Hands Out Pieces As SouvenirsÂ…
Posted by: andycanuck at December 11, 2012 03:39 PM (jPVBi)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:40 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2012 03:40 PM (9XBK2)
At the state level this seems to be union reform. It failed in Ohio and CA and other places when it was attempted directly through referendum. But it has succeeded wildly when pushed through by state representatives. And, we'll see, but it looks like the Rs who are standing firm are being rewarded.
I'm not sure what those issues are at the national level. I know what I wish they were but I don't see much movement behind anything specific at the moment.
Posted by: runninrebel at December 11, 2012 03:40 PM (je2hI)
Posted by: CDR M at December 11, 2012 03:40 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 11, 2012 03:40 PM (JiZ2G)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 11, 2012 03:40 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:41 PM (79ueO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:42 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:42 PM (piMMO)
Get with the program. Your little rant makes it sound like you're not going to be part of the civil war.
Posted by: majorityofone at December 11, 2012 03:42 PM (HjtCj)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 03:42 PM (79ueO)
That's going to be the narrative. The right will get blamed for any real violence and anything the left does will be ignored or downplayed.
The incidents will continue until you react in self-defense, and then you'll be blamed for the resulting violence. The MSM and the left will then over-react...and you'll be on the receiving end of 'government intervention.'
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 11, 2012 03:43 PM (WwR1j)
Posted by: CDR M at December 11, 2012 03:43 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 11, 2012 03:44 PM (a0nis)
Posted by: tcn at December 11, 2012 03:44 PM (VLG62)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:44 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:44 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 03:44 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 11, 2012 03:45 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:45 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: sherlock at December 11, 2012 03:46 PM (s2SNz)
Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 11, 2012 03:46 PM (Eq2MX)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 11, 2012 03:47 PM (a0nis)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:47 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: ConcealedKerry Forgit Mitt at December 11, 2012 03:47 PM (CzPiL)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 11, 2012 03:47 PM (FC8Yl)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 03:47 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:48 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 07:02 PM (ZPrif)
It's been this way for many years...
Posted by: KG at December 11, 2012 03:50 PM (IPz9m)
Posted by: sherlock at December 11, 2012 03:50 PM (s2SNz)
Posted by: ConcealedKerry Forgit Mitt at December 11, 2012 03:50 PM (CzPiL)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:51 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 11, 2012 03:51 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2012 03:52 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: teh Jersey Wind at December 11, 2012 03:52 PM (GkYyh)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:52 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2012 03:52 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:52 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: JDTAY at December 11, 2012 03:52 PM (a0nis)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:52 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:53 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 11, 2012 03:53 PM (ZgBZU)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 03:53 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 11, 2012 03:53 PM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 03:53 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:54 PM (aLLUm)
The State captures individuals by gradually getting them to give up their material and psychological burdens and the control that comes with it.
If this were just a bunch of shitheads we wouldn't be in this mess.
Posted by: runninrebel at December 11, 2012 03:54 PM (je2hI)
Oh how I wish I could laugh at that!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 11, 2012 03:54 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:54 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Manolo at December 11, 2012 03:54 PM (PttbO)
U.S. Attorney Kenyen R. Brown of the Southern District of Alabama and Stephen E. Richardson, Special Agent in Charge of the Mobile Division of the FBI, announced that Mohammad Abdul Rahman Abukhdair, 25, and Randy Wilson, also known as Rasheed Wilson, 25, both U.S. citizens living in Mobile, were arrested today on terrorism charges filed in the Southern District of Alabama.
Yep, just a couple of good ol' boys that went wrong.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch carries matches.... at December 11, 2012 03:55 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Mayor Bloomberg at December 11, 2012 03:55 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 07:54 PM (aLLUm)
Good ideas count for nothing with those that cannot think!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 11, 2012 03:55 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Manolo at December 11, 2012 03:56 PM (PttbO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:56 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 11, 2012 03:57 PM (qj0su)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:57 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 11, 2012 03:57 PM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:57 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 11, 2012 03:57 PM (0Ufr+)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:57 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 03:59 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 03:59 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 04:00 PM (ZPrif)
My wife's cousin was a firefighter years ago, and fell and "hurt his back". He's been on disability for as long as I've known him (+23 years) and now at 65 he's overweight and is having knee problems, the poor dear.
He's got a pretty new house, and he and his wife have retired on the money she inherited from her late father. Pretty sweet life.
And he loves the idea of Obama care, because now he can get that knee surgery that he needs, because he is overweight. And that has really cut into his golf game.
Fucker.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch carries matches.... at December 11, 2012 04:01 PM (RFeQD)
Unless you got a sack full of fresh burners, that might not be such a good idea.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 04:01 PM (bodka)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 04:01 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 11, 2012 04:02 PM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 11, 2012 04:02 PM (jLiVY)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 11, 2012 04:02 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 11, 2012 04:03 PM (aLLUm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 04:04 PM (piMMO)
Moderates? Muslim Brotherhood?
Really? Does he have any idea what the Muslim Brotherhood stands for, and what its founding priniciples are? Does he know how members are trained conditioned before full membership?
It's a bit more rigorous than joining the local FOE lodge.
Moderates. What a maroon.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch carries matches.... at December 11, 2012 04:04 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: dscott at December 11, 2012 04:04 PM (EYzt8)
Posted by: WaitingForMartel at December 11, 2012 04:05 PM (G73Lf)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 04:06 PM (uis79)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 04:07 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Aaron at December 11, 2012 04:08 PM (Tlix5)
Posted by: CraigPoe at December 11, 2012 04:10 PM (BVkEs)
I was in a union a long time ago. Most of the guys were good guys. A little lazy in general, not the brightest, but ordinary joes. The real pieces of sh*t were the union stewards. They would demoralize new guys until they fell in line or quit. I ended up quitting because I refused to work slow. They knew which average Joes could be useful idiots and counted upon when incited to violence. The whole union thing became out of control in the early 70's when the elite academics began to get theirs and the unions were encouraged to get what was "theirs" too. Since then it's been thugs and thieves protectecting their own illgotten piece of the pie. I don't necessarily blame the average union guy. But the guys in the in the union's middle and upper management, those are the real weasels.
Posted by: sophistahick at December 11, 2012 04:10 PM (UhXzR)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 04:11 PM (uis79)
Posted by: sophistahick at December 11, 2012 04:11 PM (UhXzR)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 11, 2012 04:12 PM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 04:14 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 11, 2012 04:15 PM (6Sl8l)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 11, 2012 04:16 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 11, 2012 04:16 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Truman North at December 11, 2012 04:17 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 04:17 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Special Ed at December 11, 2012 04:17 PM (t2xha)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 11, 2012 04:17 PM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 11, 2012 04:18 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2012 08:06 PM (9XBK2)
Great theme song! Movie is a little too formula for me. It's a rip off of some Jap movie, which I can not remember.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 04:18 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 11, 2012 04:19 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 04:19 PM (uis79)
Seven Samurai, round eyes.
Posted by: Akiro Kurosawa at December 11, 2012 04:20 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 11, 2012 04:21 PM (u25eL)
Seven Samurai by Akira Kurosawa. Fantastic film
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 11, 2012 04:21 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 04:21 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Special Ed at December 11, 2012 04:22 PM (t2xha)
Not-so-proud member of the Air Line Pilots Association here.
Who's flying today? Some moron.
Posted by: DaveA at December 11, 2012 04:23 PM (Xefrb)
Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 11, 2012 04:24 PM (BAnPT)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 11, 2012 04:24 PM (WnZ+l)
Miracle on 34th St, where the divorcee is humbled into marring a lawyer and Natille Wood is still cute at 12.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 04:25 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 11, 2012 04:25 PM (u25eL)
yeah, I think we have no decent on this verdict.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 11, 2012 04:26 PM (wR+pz)
There are however other methods...
...such as creative application of Craig's List ads (done anon from a library computer of course)
Pit the FSA against the thugs. Scorpions in a bottle man. Scorpions in a bottle.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 04:27 PM (bodka)
Rip off??? Homage.
Posted by: John Sturges at December 11, 2012 04:28 PM (QKKT0)
yeah, I think we have no decent on this verdict.
Wait. I say it's a tax.
Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Still Growing In Office at December 11, 2012 04:29 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2012 04:29 PM (q2JCn)
Posted by: tasker at December 11, 2012 04:29 PM (r2PLg)
And no, the arrests were not for the Crowder assault.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 11, 2012 04:30 PM (ccXZP)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 11, 2012 04:30 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Mrsp at December 11, 2012 04:31 PM (tgRSU)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 11, 2012 04:31 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 11, 2012 04:31 PM (37aJJ)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 11, 2012 04:32 PM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: jewells45 at December 11, 2012 04:33 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 11, 2012 04:33 PM (q2JCn)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 11, 2012 04:33 PM (WnZ+l)
Posted by: Whatev at December 11, 2012 04:33 PM (2t6Gz)
@ 249
I was thinking Kristallnacht, Jan Bloody Sunday or even 'Year Zero.' Republicans get to have a Kerensky, mebbe. Somebody to totally screw it up and make things worse.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 11, 2012 04:33 PM (WwR1j)
So buy stocks in Gun Companies? Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 07:41 PM (79ueO)
The price of Smith and Wesson's shares zoomed up before they had finished counting all the votes. It's just about the only business that's flourishing in the Age of Obama.
Posted by: Donna V. at December 11, 2012 04:33 PM (BStAJ)
Was anyone here honestly expecting anything different?
Well, OK, I am...I expect Obama to encourage the violence. But I expect Carney to be a floppy bag of mealy-mouthed puppet. As usual.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at December 11, 2012 04:34 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2012 04:36 PM (9XBK2)
Crankypants? I hope trousers aren't going to become a fad around here.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2012 04:37 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 11, 2012 04:37 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: John McAfee at December 11, 2012 04:41 PM (QKKT0)
It's a metaphor. Although I do wear pajama pants at home when the furnace is on, because I'm too cheap to crank the thermostat to nekkid.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at December 11, 2012 04:42 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 11, 2012 08:36 PM (0fxcV)
The Great Escape.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 04:42 PM (3E2th)
108 We need more of this--not the beatings, unfortunately, though that's inevitable--but high profile attacks on conservatives acting peaceably, with video evidence, that will reach a point where simple word of mouth will force the MSM to begin covering it
HAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!
Posted by: MFM at December 11, 2012 04:42 PM (8SsiG)
Fuck you.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 04:43 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at December 11, 2012 04:43 PM (21TJo)
By the looks of that video I don't think Crowder was ever in fight before, the way he covered up and shirked away was a little embarrassing. But then again I don't think most people have ever thrown a punch, it just doesn't happen. Unless you're like me and spent almost every Saturday night for years sitting in a bar, then it happens more then you would think.
Posted by: Skynet at December 11, 2012 04:44 PM (GZitp)
I agree....of course you don't get that in playing such Partisan games Mr. MF Moonbat Media you are ensuring that violence will escalate....
"cause and effect how's that fucking work?"
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 04:45 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: georgepatton at December 11, 2012 04:46 PM (qBLA2)
Unionism is about distorting the market place so that workers who are NOT IN YOUR UNION subsidize the Union workers inflated wage.
Unionism is about doing less for more.
Unionism is about forcing those of differing political opinion to fund the opposing party.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 04:46 PM (3E2th)
Horseshit.
You do not have the right to lock people out.
Fuck the unions and the better Hoffa is dead.
Hope his boy joins him soon.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 04:46 PM (LRFds)
There's no more room for believing anything that any Republican says any more.
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at December 11, 2012 08:43 PM (21TJo)
So glad to know that at last, I can depend upon the Democrats to speak the truth!!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 11, 2012 04:47 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2012 04:47 PM (jucos)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at December 11, 2012 04:48 PM (hO8IJ)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Agreed. I have relatives like this. Heavy into many things considered conservative like NRA and hunting etc. They are in a unionized profession and vote Democrat. you can tell they've been fed the lies of that the unions tell them and are brainwashed to vote Democrat. If you try to debate with them they don't want to talk about it, because they usually can't win the debate and know they are ethically and morally wrong....and they usuallly agree that the guy sin charge are bastards....but "they protect their jobs" (sarcasm).
Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 11, 2012 04:48 PM (PALjS)
Posted by: izoneguy at December 11, 2012 04:48 PM (oKH8p)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 04:49 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 08:46 PM (3E2th)
Unionism is about the worker (who is being paid by the owner) defining what he will or will not do for his right to be employed.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 11, 2012 04:50 PM (Cnqmv)
If the package you put together is a more compelling value than the company hiring and training ad-hoc, then the company will embrace the union.
If your package offers a better value to potential employees, they'll still join the union even in RTW environment rather than haggle with the personnel office on an ad-hoc basis.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 04:50 PM (bodka)
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/12/union-success-story-7407-only-seven.html
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at December 11, 2012 04:50 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 11, 2012 04:51 PM (WnZ+l)
Posted by: MFM at December 11, 2012 04:51 PM (15w2J)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 08:50 PM (bodka)
Competition, how do it work?
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 11, 2012 04:52 PM (Cnqmv)
yeah imagine that...
my contract was better than the commie one.
The Teamsters are thieves.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 04:52 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 04:52 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 11, 2012 04:54 PM (Lxw+T)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 04:54 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 04:55 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 04:56 PM (3E2th)
I don't know about that, I never went out of my way to start trouble but if you spend enough time in a bar, it will find you. I just wasn't the kind of guy that could ignore some asshole pestering me, so yeah there can be a winner.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 11, 2012 04:56 PM (GZitp)
Bullshit. He was given an assholish union-blowing thug's statement to comment on.
But thanks for telling us what we may and may not do, anyway.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2012 04:56 PM (qwwbC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 04:56 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: CarolT at December 11, 2012 04:57 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 04:57 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 04:58 PM (NIZHJ)
the right is gonna give you guys what you want...we'll be the "bad guys" but hey fuckwits we've been the bad guys my whole life.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 04:58 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 11, 2012 04:58 PM (qwwbC)
Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 11, 2012 04:59 PM (PALjS)
An Ar is an AR....you getting the S&W or the Mossy?
Either one is okay but you can build one cheaper still.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 05:00 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 05:01 PM (piMMO)
Out of curiosity, did Brian Dennehy have the same role in "Magnificent Seven" that he had in "The Seven Samurai"?
Posted by: junior at December 11, 2012 05:01 PM (UWFpX)
WTF is all that bullsh*t you just spewed Rex? You sound like a commie.
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at December 11, 2012 05:01 PM (dQSbv)
Either one is okay but you can build one cheaper still.
------------------------------
Well somebody can but I can't.
It would be the S&W. Another place has the S&W MP for 875 out the door.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 05:02 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 05:02 PM (piMMO)
We're racist, homophobes and right wing extremist nut job.
Christian fundamentalists and redneck back woods road kill eaters.
We're gun nuts, jesus freaks that believe babys shouldn't be murdered.
Time we won these labels and tell them: SO? WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT YOU LIBERAL, METROSEXUAL, COMMUNIST, PUSSY?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 05:02 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 11, 2012 08:59 PM (PALjS)
Almost all "social" organizations, either remain basically hobbies, or they evolve into a money making enterprise that inevitably becomes a mechanism for enriching the few elite (ruling class) types that have managed by luck or skill to remain at the top of the organization.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 11, 2012 05:02 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 11, 2012 05:02 PM (37aJJ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 05:03 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 05:03 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 11, 2012 05:03 PM (WnZ+l)
Posted by: Thresherman at December 11, 2012 05:06 PM (Vbcjo)
Posted by: Whatev at December 11, 2012 05:07 PM (2t6Gz)
They consistently have a nice supply of shotgun shells though. Pistol and rifle ammo is picked clean, but any gauge shotgun shells are always plentiful.
Posted by: EC at December 11, 2012 05:07 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: eman at December 11, 2012 05:07 PM (fGw3R)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 05:07 PM (piMMO)
If I was covering any event that Liberals are going to show up to especially Unions, I'd have some heavy security with me with a back up video camera to catch any violence on my person.
We've got to stop taking our cues from the bozos in Congress. They don't have a clue how truly radical and violent Democrats are because they don't deal with Democrats, they deal with other Congressmen.
Get it. It's a big club where they all gather to network and have fun and no one's the enemy.
Even when they say they are and tell you that they are and act like they are.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 05:08 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: zsasz at December 11, 2012 05:09 PM (S08dG)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 11, 2012 05:10 PM (3E2th)
Posted by: Baldy at December 11, 2012 05:10 PM (opS9C)
Now, the unions are shielding the incompetent and slackers rather than purging them to preserve their "brand" as the guilds of old would have done.
The union brand has been tarnished. Any professional marketer will tell you that's a very bad thing.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 05:11 PM (bodka)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2012 05:13 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: tasker at December 11, 2012 05:13 PM (r2PLg)
I haven't bought an Amurican car since that piece of shit 1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera. I went to Burger King one time and the dang car door wouldn't close. I had to tie it closed to get to a mechanics. It cost me hundreds to get the door fixed. The lock mechanism was made out of plastic parts like a model kit or something. Never again.
...Had to do that on my truck. Just drove with one hand holding the door closed and one hand on the steering wheel. Did not cost me hundreds, just turned the metal thingy on the door clasp and sprayed it with Lock-Tite. Sorry Butters.
Posted by: concrete girl at December 11, 2012 05:13 PM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: Jack at December 11, 2012 05:14 PM (wUFaM)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 11, 2012 05:14 PM (WnZ+l)
OBlammy named the game, lets play!
Posted by: ConcealedKerry Forgit Mitt at December 11, 2012 05:15 PM (CzPiL)
Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2012 05:16 PM (9XBK2)
Unions were needed once. About a hundred years ago. Now they have become what was once thier nemisis.
Bloated, greedy, grasping, drunkard unopposed thugs.
Backed by the community organizer in chief.
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 05:16 PM (W+Itt)
Walmart sells guns in MA.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 11, 2012 05:16 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 05:17 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: weew at December 11, 2012 05:17 PM (ElfHn)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2012 05:18 PM (jucos)
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 11, 2012 05:19 PM (4QAQg)
If it's Warrant they want, then it's Warrant they shall have!
Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2012 05:20 PM (KZz5l)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2012 09:18 PM (jucos)
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They didn't really have foreign assistance. They were out-manned and out gunned.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 05:20 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Whatev at December 11, 2012 05:21 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: entropy at December 11, 2012 05:21 PM (YUttk)
The Confederates lost because of lack of manufacturing.
No comparison in Generals. South, hands down.
Let's not get distracted though.
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 05:22 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 05:23 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 05:24 PM (uis79)
Posted by: eman at December 11, 2012 05:24 PM (fGw3R)
"We got by."
US Grant, Phil Sheridan, George Thomas, WT Sherman, CF Smith, Gen Buford et al....
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 05:24 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 05:25 PM (bodka)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 11, 2012 05:25 PM (37aJJ)
Through the Michigan Legislature the People of Michigan have collectively bargained for a Right-to-Work law.
Surprise, surprise, unions don't like it.
Posted by: davidt at December 11, 2012 05:25 PM (8/bPb)
Posted by: Who Knows at December 11, 2012 05:25 PM (W+Itt)
Posted by: Whatev at December 11, 2012 05:25 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: LGoPs at December 11, 2012 05:26 PM (BJVEF)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2012 05:26 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 05:26 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 05:27 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 05:27 PM (uis79)
Posted by: eman at December 11, 2012 05:27 PM (fGw3R)
Posted by: Fark, farkety, fark, fark, fark at December 11, 2012 05:28 PM (7cNqN)
Posted by: LGoPs at December 11, 2012 05:28 PM (BJVEF)
Posted by: Jerry at December 11, 2012 05:28 PM (4SKYj)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 11, 2012 05:29 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2012 05:29 PM (jucos)
Posted by: eman at December 11, 2012 05:29 PM (fGw3R)
Posted by: LGoPs at December 11, 2012 05:29 PM (BJVEF)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 05:30 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 05:31 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 05:31 PM (uis79)
A single Barret .50 and 100 rounds of ammo in the hands of a competent Confederate sniper would have changed the course of the civil war.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 05:32 PM (bodka)
Posted by: entropy at December 11, 2012 05:32 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: elizabethe at December 11, 2012 05:32 PM (oU9pV)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 05:33 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 11, 2012 08:00 PM (ZPrif)
*****
Hell, by those criteria, at my age I just flew past the Crab Nebula on my way out of the Milky Way!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 11, 2012 05:33 PM (1OZSU)
We won't have another date like this for a century.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 09:31 PM (piMMO)
**
Or at least 100 years.
Posted by: Typical High School Student in America at December 11, 2012 05:34 PM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 05:34 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: RioBravo at December 11, 2012 05:35 PM (iAoJp)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 05:36 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2012 09:31 PM (piMMO)
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Cool! I'll add the date to my e-calendar.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 05:36 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 05:37 PM (OqWMe)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 11, 2012 05:37 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2012 05:37 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: sven10077
Speaking of building, any thoughts on that $109 New Frontier polymer lower?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 11, 2012 05:37 PM (TtXjG)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 05:39 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: concrete girl at December 11, 2012 05:39 PM (y2Ojs)
Posted by: Killface at December 11, 2012 05:39 PM (dr0xf)
Posted by: sTevo at December 11, 2012 05:40 PM (jTr5F)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 11, 2012 05:40 PM (WnZ+l)
We really shouldn't stop pressing the availability issue until every store carries guns and ammo.
Toy R Us, Victoria's Secret, 7-11 (vending machines, of course), FTD's new Red Dot bouquet, and of course every McDonalds Gun Meal will include a bonus round.
Posted by: K-Bob at December 11, 2012 05:41 PM (sBdGq)
Robert E Lee was a soldiers soldier, a brilliant tactician!
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Pretty much, except for one 12 hour period in July, 1863.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 05:41 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2012 05:43 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 11, 2012 05:44 PM (DoZD+)
Lee may have been a brilliant tactician, but his overall strategy was wrong.
He should have relieved the siege at Vicksburg rather than march on the North. But the Army of Northern Virginia needed shoes, I guess.
That first weekend in July, 1863 was a big psychological defeat for the Confederacy at Gettysburg and a big strategic defeat at Vicksburg.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers at December 11, 2012 05:45 PM (Md8Uo)
Posted by: elizabethe at December 11, 2012 05:45 PM (oU9pV)
The best civilian AR I have handled is one I built for my wife using nickle boron upper and lower and BCG.
Nice thing about them is that if you get a lemon you can rework it fairly cheap.
I am currently debating making a 9mm Pistol caliber carbine, a 20" A2 wwith YMH flip up front sight post or an 18" Mall ninja jobbie....
next project will be a 7.5" pistol.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 05:45 PM (LRFds)
He deserves every bad thing coming his way, and I hope he lives to see all of it.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at December 11, 2012 05:46 PM (h+iQ9)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 09:32 PM (bodka)
Sounds like a potential book to me!
Posted by: H Turtledove at December 11, 2012 05:46 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: That guy who says it'll all be over by Christmas at December 11, 2012 05:46 PM (sBdGq)
I'll be content with the M-14, the Ithaca and the 1911.
If I'm down to using the pistol, it's all over, anyway.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 11, 2012 05:48 PM (SAMxH)
He deserves every bad thing coming his way, and I hope he lives to see all of it.
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None shall pass!
Posted by: Enemedia at December 11, 2012 05:48 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2012 05:48 PM (jucos)
Yeah if it is like the one plum crazy built last year I'd be wary.
You can build a lower for ~130 if you shop hard.
The latest round of "Ogabe Gun Fears" has jacked up price and I would MOST definitely get you a lower of some sort.
There is nothing wrong with a polymer lower for Nato spec loads.
The more you show of your SAAMI fu the more you need harder tensile gear.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 05:48 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 11, 2012 05:48 PM (g7D8V)
Wal-mart matches accepts other stores discount coupons for food (Super Wal-mart).
Kroger has been known (suspected) to bribe small town govenments to keep Wal-Mart from competing. I wonder why?
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers at December 11, 2012 05:48 PM (Md8Uo)
Amen....
I have a pair of 1851 Richards/Mason conversions...
I ever use those in anger it's all academic anyway.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 05:49 PM (LRFds)
Europe's old growth forests had been stripped bare, and the Brits would have been keen to get some of our timber, and cotton, and American clippers packed with trade goods sailing under Royal Navy protection around the globe, and US Navy around the local littorals would have been a formidable proposition.
I really don't think Lincoln was too big on the "vision thing" though.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 05:50 PM (bodka)
Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2012 05:50 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 05:51 PM (ptcFO)
It could be said that the Confederacy wasn't looking for a fight and that they just wanted to be left alone.
Could it?
Posted by: Major Robert Anderson at December 11, 2012 05:51 PM (3SvjA)
Posted by: torabora at December 11, 2012 05:51 PM (I+Z9T)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 05:52 PM (OqWMe)
Posted by: History Buff Moron is Buff at December 11, 2012 05:52 PM (sBdGq)
Once Lee blew it at Gettysburg it was almost academic. The fall of Vicksburg and Grant's selection as CINCYank sealed the deal.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 05:54 PM (85EaA)
the
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 09:32 PM (bodka)
FIFY
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2012 05:54 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2012 05:55 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2012 05:55 PM (jucos)
I'd get up there and tell lies for far less, say $100k/yr.
The average pay across the 400+ Whitehouse staff is over $80k/yr.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 05:56 PM (bodka)
Originals yeah....I had mine made from Ubertis and they can handle .38CF but not +p....
they like the 158 grain SWCs though.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 05:56 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 11, 2012 05:57 PM (WnZ+l)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 11, 2012 09:40 PM (WnZ+l)
But a lousy strategist.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2012 05:57 PM (GsoHv)
So the South did the Right thing for the Wrong reason while the North was doing the Wrong thing for the Right reason. Both being in the wrong all were Damned. The country never really recovered from it.
And it was the War for Southern Independence. A Civil War is when two factions fight over control over a nation state. The South had no desire to rule the North and Lincoln wanted to destroy and conquer the South, not much desire to rule it in any recognizable form.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 05:58 PM (sCRhB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2012 05:58 PM (bxiXv)
That had more to do with them being on the losing effort than their innate badassery...
Wild Bill Hickock got by as did Virgil Earp....
the Red Legs were just as "good" or "bad"....
meh...I do not get all happy at the thought of what's coming....the last one sucked.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 06:00 PM (LRFds)
Lincoln didn't want to destroy the South; he wanted to preserve the Union. But he would destroy the South if necessary.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2012 06:00 PM (GsoHv)
The South really didn't have a choice though, Lincoln was hell bent on destroying them
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Suuuuure he was
Posted by: The Copperheads at December 11, 2012 06:01 PM (85EaA)
Most Walmarts are pretty clean and well-stocked. My complaint is that I find there is lot of stuff I expect to be able to find in any decent grocery store that just is not carried in my local WalMart. Basics like flour, bacon, sugar, eggs are all there, but darn if I could find the foie gras section, and all the Dom Pérignon was 1985 or later.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children, of course) at December 11, 2012 06:01 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2012 06:01 PM (jE38p)
The smart ones in the south understood that had to change. The industrial revolution was going to render slavery uneconomical within 20 years. Its something Lincoln should have realized.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 06:02 PM (bodka)
Oh I am certain you're right....
bang for the buck it is really ahrd to argue against the SW M+P15 as an entry level 16 incher...it gets dicier when you start purpose building them for alternate mission windows....
add in the fact I HATE! the M4 carbine vis a vis the AR15A2 or A3....
Nah Mero was not disagreeing hard at all with you.
The ONLY saving grace for my Wife's Carbine is the Nickle Boron giving you heirloom durability
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 06:02 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: and irresolute at December 11, 2012 06:02 PM (DBH1h)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 06:03 PM (OqWMe)
Posted by: Palandine[/i] at December 11, 2012 06:04 PM (g7D8V)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 06:04 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 06:04 PM (85EaA)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 10:03 PM (OqWMe)
Well at least one of them was mad.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children, of course) at December 11, 2012 06:04 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: RWC at December 11, 2012 06:05 PM (sqp6o)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 06:06 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 06:07 PM (OqWMe)
Posted by: entropy at December 11, 2012 06:07 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 11, 2012 06:07 PM (ZETiK)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 11, 2012 06:08 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 11, 2012 06:09 PM (4QAQg)
So all ya folks pondering a breakup at the end of LiB better keep that in mind, Obama will be worse than Lincoln when it comes to the smiting. This is one marriage you don't leave.
Two ways out, feet first and MAD. We would have to have WMD and a credible delivery system on the day of the declaration of independence. So unless ya can propose how that little trick gets pulled off quit dreaming and deal with the crappy world we actually live in.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 06:09 PM (sCRhB)
Is that true? You guys are kidding me right?
A Walmart that doesn't guns is like a gas station that doesn't sell gas. What good is it?
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean
Hell, they don't sell them here in N AL, yet. Did once upon a long timeback till the idjits got a directive...
I do sincerly hope the union thug that popped the Fox guy gets whats coming to him, in spades.
Posted by: Gmac at December 11, 2012 06:10 PM (IanLz)
Posted by: elizabethe at December 11, 2012 06:10 PM (oU9pV)
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 11, 2012 10:07 PM (ZETiK)
We've got our eyes and ears on you tovarich!
Posted by: Eric "Red" Holder at December 11, 2012 06:10 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 06:11 PM (NIZHJ)
And radically increasing immigration was going to make labor relatively cheap.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2012 06:12 PM (GsoHv)
The materials for Chlorine gas weapons are probably sitting in bottles under your kitchen sink right now.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 06:14 PM (bodka)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 06:14 PM (NIZHJ)
...I do sincerly hope the union thug that popped the Fox guy gets whats coming to him, in spades.
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He won't. Accept that now. They may have lost this particular MI battle but they have the Feds and we have no leadership.
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2012 06:15 PM (85EaA)
Thomas Sowell analyzed slavery from a purely economic perspective; and his conclusion was that it was bound to fail.
I just don't remember the name of the book (it was 30 years ago).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2012 06:15 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 06:17 PM (OqWMe)
Bleach + ammonia.
Chloramine and hydrazine (depending on the ratio).
Nasty.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2012 06:17 PM (GsoHv)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 06:18 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: Butters at December 11, 2012 06:19 PM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 11, 2012 06:21 PM (Rhie+)
Agreed. That and the growing consensus that slavery was incompatible with both Christianity and the Declaration of Independence. Working out how to wind it down without blowing up the country was the problem for most serious thinkers. But preening pricks like Lincoln (or Obama) care nothing about messy details, they are Right and everybody else better realize that and obey right now or else. Working within the Constitution to slowly figure out a way to end slavery peacefully would have been too much effort and afforded too little grandstanding potential.
So the Republic died and the Pax Americana was born. And the Empire had a fairly good run too, ended up lasting longer than the Republic it replaced. It succumbed to the 20th Century disease (Fascism, Socialism, Liberalism, Communism whatever label you want to put on it) and the internal contradictions in it.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 06:23 PM (sCRhB)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 06:24 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 06:27 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 06:29 PM (uis79)
Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 11, 2012 06:31 PM (OqWMe)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 06:34 PM (uis79)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 06:36 PM (ptcFO)
Binary time delay incendiary initiators are easy to make from KMnO4 (Potassium permanganate) and C3H8O3 (Glycerine/Glycerol)
Both are available at Walmart. Pool supply, and automotive.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 06:36 PM (bodka)
Not needed. You don't need to work out the entire order of battle, simulate results or anything of that nature to realize it is a dead end. US policy on States leaving the Union is settled historical fact. War is certain, total unconditional war, including punitive war against civilian targets and populations, the works. War just as total as anything in Libya or Syria recently. Unless you propose a modern tyrant like Obama would shrink from using Lincoln's playbook or would lack the will to appeal to the Sword when push came to shove and all other appeals had failed. I already stated the only possible exception and it is improbable to an extreme only seen in fiction... and usually bad fiction.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 06:37 PM (sCRhB)
Yea he has. If they deem you an enemy combatant, they can keep you detained indefinitely.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 06:38 PM (bodka)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 11, 2012 06:39 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 06:40 PM (uis79)
Posted by: Berserker at December 11, 2012 06:40 PM (FMbng)
Yea, we thought that too. We were wrong.
Posted by: The former Soviet Union at December 11, 2012 06:41 PM (bodka)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 11, 2012 06:41 PM (QupBk)
I always laugh at that shit. They just give you back your own money minus some administrative friction and plus strings.
Oy! Such a deal.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 06:44 PM (bodka)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 06:45 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 11, 2012 06:45 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 06:48 PM (uis79)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 06:49 PM (uis79)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 06:52 PM (ptcFO)
Ogabe shrinks from blowback.
I KNOW he would use a far looser RoE with us than he demands for the OPFOR we currently face, I also KNOW that I want to be free more than he wants me as a slave.
If Obarka can give Islamists who use hard tactics a blowjob he can at least give me a wink in a jam.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 06:54 PM (LRFds)
That would pretty much be EVERY side until very recently. Including the North. Bet an ignorant tard like you doesn't even know why the Emancipation Proclamation was a useless PR stunt aimed mostly at preventing France from recognizing the CSA.
Hint: under many different names and with subtle differences in the details slavery was pretty much a universal notion from the earliest human societies up until the British Navy stamped it out within the range of their guns. The idea that slavery is always wrong is a unique idea that arose only within Western Civilization and there only recently.
Hint: Many of the US Founding Fathers understood the problems reconciling "All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights..." and slavery. How to deal with it was the problem and was deemed insolvable at the time so was punted. But steps ARE clearly visible in the Constitution and were obviously intended to have allowed a gradual and peaceful resolution of the problem.
Hint: There were slaves in the North at the time; The Emancipation Proclamation didn't free them.
Hint: It didn't because Lincoln had no authority to do that and usurping that much power would have lead Congress to remove to his sorry ass. But freeing the slaves in territory in rebellion (i.e. where he had no actual authority) was legal purely as a punitive measure in war. But it freed exactly zero slaves.
Hint: Lincoln was actually a pretty nasty racist himself. His preference seemed to have been for a free em and send em back to Africa solution. He didn't live long enough to implement that. Now that would be an interesting alternate history novel.
History is a lot messier (and therefore more interesting) than the Disney version you get fed in the government schools.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 06:55 PM (sCRhB)
Life's not a movie and under our system one guy ain't supposed to have total power.
Troy Obarka explains that the Palestinians have a right to a homeland too....
I favor a two state solution for the United States the more I ponder it.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 06:56 PM (LRFds)
I don't know, it reminds me of the old "how to avoid unwanted pregnancy" line.
I'm going long on United Van Lines. And Penske, the militia motor pool.
Posted by: comatus at December 11, 2012 06:57 PM (qaVK+)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 11, 2012 06:57 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 06:58 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 07:00 PM (ptcFO)
Right and then you have the supplicant butt trhust GOP establishment types....
I'm not a neo Confederate, and I am not a stormfront type.
I am also not a big fan of Emperor Manly Throw McMomJeans Golf Swing IV being emperor.
If Texas and others left tomorrow showing more deference to the founding than Obarka and the cum bubblers I'd go.
End of story.
You act as though we are pre ordained and required by birth south of Canada and north of mexico to follow the commies down the Marxist rabbit hole.
Fuck no.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 07:01 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 07:03 PM (uis79)
He was so PASSIONATELY anti-Slavery he was famed for "i would preserve it by freeing none of the slavaes, or all of them."
He was about like most Ohio abolitionists if you go to Oberlin College's collection.
Pragmatic, though we did have the Antioch zealots.
Charming that Ohio helped kill one form of slavery just to empower the union thug brand.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 07:04 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 11, 2012 07:06 PM (uis79)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 07:08 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 07:09 PM (ptcFO)
Hey troy again "i have" I am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and not call you an asshammer.
I'm in a good mood.
He was as passionate about killing slavery as a holy zealot as his current audience wanted to hear.
Lincoln pisses me off as a Northern partisan because I SHOULD like him and I do not.
Hell I am pretty sure as I age and I see the destruction the imperial presidency Jackson birthed and Lincoln started on the road to inferno that I hate him.
Lincoln's ONLY saving grace was Jeff Davis was an even bigger asshole.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2012 07:13 PM (LRFds)
Yes. Certainly the South believed him to be. So much so that it was clear the limits of the Constitution were not going to limit his actions against them, thus the reason for their panic and stampede for the exits when he was elected. Thus the War of Southern Independence. Lincoln was also a racist. That is also historical fact. You do realize the two notions are compatible. He believed slavery was wrong AND that Africans were racially inferior.
Just a nasty situation all around, like I said in the first post. Everybody was so fudged up there were no 'good guys' and thus we were all Damned. Might want to keep that in mind and try to worry more about making sure you are on the moral high ground instead of just winning; especially those of ya that believe in a higher power and all that.... be worthy of getting a divine intervention and ya might not need to have the best plans, tactics, weapons, etc. But personally I wouldn't bet everything on it. Han Solo's notions about a good blaster being more in line with my philosophy.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 07:16 PM (sCRhB)
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2012 07:27 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 07:27 PM (sCRhB)
Yea, its "old school" WWI gas warfare shit, but it works. Plenty of dead soldiers will attest to that.
You don't need mega-deaths in asymmetric warfare against a more powerful force, only persistence.
Obviously you've never been exposed to even a little bit of Chlorine gas.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 07:30 PM (bodka)
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 07:33 PM (sCRhB)
Tanks suck in urban environments. They also don't go far without fuel. They be hard to push.
Oh, that .308? That's what deals with the fuel storage.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 07:34 PM (bodka)
Posted by: fark, farkety fark, fark, fark at December 11, 2012 07:37 PM (bT79U)
An asymmetric force can never deter aggression. They can however make it costly to maintain (ex. Afghanistan)
BTW, current US military policy defines poison gas as a WMD.
http://www.defense.gov/pdf/NMS-CWMD2006.pdf (see Annex A)
If you plan on using non-standard definitions for terms in the future, you should state that explicitly up front. Failure to do so is confusing.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 07:42 PM (bodka)
Anyway, my point stands that WMD for the purposes of MAD probably doesn't include the typical chemical weapons. Ya got something you can douse a city with (or drop into a water supply) and wipe out mass numbers then ya got something. Chlorine gas canisters, even dropped from planes, probably won't inspire the required fear of war being suicidal. Biologicals may or may not meet the need, for example anthrax in envelopes won't but more mass targeted delivery systems would.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 07:53 PM (sCRhB)
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Posted by: entropy at December 11, 2012 08:10 PM (YUttk)
Posted by: entropy at December 11, 2012 08:14 PM (YUttk)
Or wise enough to learn the lesson of the Cold War. MAD was insane but it did have the benefit of working better than war. If the 'only winning move is not to play' sane people don't play. Even evil ones. The Soviets were evil but not stupid or insane, thus no war. Not totally sure about Obama himself but the people around him are the functional equal of Soviets. Atheist and Communist, thus amendable to the logic of MAD since they desire power in this world instead of a reward in heaven.
The Muslim Brotherhood and Iran, not so much.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 08:14 PM (sCRhB)
Its only "fuzzy" for people with poor reading comprehension...
"Weapons that are capable of
a high order of destruction and/or
of being used in a manner so as to
destroy large numbers of people.
Weapons of mass destruction can be
nuclear, biological, chemical, and
radiological weapons, but exclude
means of delivery of weapons where
such means is a separable and
divisible part of the weapon."
Chlorine gas is clearly a "chemical" weapon. The delivery system is excludable from being part of "WMD" classification.
In the case of chemical weapons, all you need is a sufficient quantity to meet the nebulous "large numbers" criteria and per the above you have a "WMD"
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 08:18 PM (bodka)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 08:22 PM (bodka)
> meet the nebulous "large numbers" criteria and per the above you have a "WMD"
True enough. But MOAB could also take down 'large numbers' if dropped in a populated area. But one mortar shell with chlorine gas gets you a one way ticket to a war crimes tribunal in the Hague for using a 'WMD' and MOAB won't. Not very logical unless you are a politician.
Again, I was limiting the definition to WMD suitable for MAD. Weapons so terrible all sane people would recoil from their use because of the likelihood of everyone being killed on both sides were they ever unleashed. Weapons so powerful they deter war by their very existence.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 08:28 PM (sCRhB)
http://tinyurl.com/dxk9gcn
They're referring to the Tokyo subway Sarin attack which had limited fatalities.
Feel free to provide a more authoritative authority that backs your seemingly expanded casualty specs and I'll cave in a heartbeat..
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 08:31 PM (bodka)
Posted by: biscuits mahoney at December 11, 2012 08:35 PM (avEon)
Or someone who simply doesn't give a shit. It may be a mistake to think that people give a shit.
Rebel and resistance groups tend not to give a shit about the Hague or war crimes tribunals.
Not many people have a MOAB in the kitchen, but quite a few have some bleach and ammonia.
Of course a quick breakin at any electroplating shop can get you a 55gal drum of sodium or potassium cyanide pretty easy too. That plus a little battery acid and you got a rocking cyanide gas party.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 08:38 PM (bodka)
Kinda making my point for me now. In diplomat speak WMD has no clearly defined meaning anymore. It used to mean WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, ya know as in weapons that would wipe out a crapload of people or break a hell of a lot of stuff. Weapons that inspired unreasoning terror (or reasonable) at the very mention of them. Now it means anything they don't like. Kinda like racist, fascist or terrorist.
Posted by: John Morris at December 11, 2012 08:39 PM (sCRhB)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 08:40 PM (bodka)
When did the US Dept of State decide to deviate from the US military's definition? Can you provide a rough date when this split occurred? Seriously, I was unaware such a policy split had ever happened.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 08:51 PM (bodka)
More accurately it would seem --- In John Morris
I find it curious that YOU are unwilling to use the term as defined and accepted by the US government, AND the United Nations. The UN classifies chemical weapons as WMD too.
http://www.un.org/disarmament/WMD/Chemical/
Here's a thought -- stop watching fucking TV.
Maybe you should lobby the UN to adopt the John Morris definition of WMD?
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 11, 2012 09:01 PM (bodka)
I want it blamed on this guy and the left by morning.. BY FUCKING MORNING GODDAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sat by and watched us get blamed for the arizona shooting, with the media gleefully going along with it, even when it wasn't true. I WANT THEM TO EAT THEIR OWN SHIT.
We need to be as petty and hyperbolic as they are if we are to win any kind of victory over these subhumans.. (yeah, sometimes the best kind of victory is pulling your hated enemy over the cliff with you)
Posted by: Obama 'en pee pee at December 11, 2012 09:21 PM (agJFZ)
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Posted by: troyriser at December 12, 2012 05:02 AM (ptcFO)
Posted by: troyriser at December 12, 2012 05:04 AM (ptcFO)
Troyriser strikes me as one of those people who think that if he doesn't like Mozart, and you like Mozart, you must be a fucking pinko commie.
If you're not like him, you're one of "them". Same kind of logic that says just because someone is in the military they must be one of "us", that has conservatives trying to elect dipshits like Collin Powel and Petraeus.
Posted by: Entropy at December 12, 2012 08:03 AM (TULs6)
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