April 20, 2012
ALSO: Photo of Zimmerman's Bloody Head
— Gabriel Malor UPDATED 11:11AM Zimmerman was granted $150,000 bail with GPS and electronic monitoring.
This gave the most in-depth look we've had at the prosecution's case so far. It does not look strong at all.
OLD: LIVESTREAM AVAILABLE: Courtesy Slublog, the livestream of the bond hearing.
A little late for this, but George Zimmerman's bond hearing is going on right now. (Some background here.) The question at these things is whether the defendant would be either a danger to the community or a flight risk. Zimmerman, clearly, is neither.
His attorney, Mark OÂ’Mara, is expected to argue for bond for Zimmerman -- who has spent the past nine days as an inmate in Seminole CountyÂ’s John E. Polk Correctional Facility -- during a 9 a.m. hearing before Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. OÂ’Mara is likely to argue that ZimmermanÂ’s behavior since the shooting nearly two months ago justifies a bond: Though in hiding, Zimmerman stayed in touch with law enforcement, and turned himself in once charges were filed. He also has family ties to the area.
AS IF WE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW the "Zimmerman wasn't injured" claim was utter BS. You could see the wounds on the video and now, ABC News, of the "exclusive" story claiming Zimmerman wasn't injured, has "exclusive" photos of the bloody back of Zimmerman's head. I won't post it here because it's quite bloody---almost as if it was smashed into the ground several times---but the link is here.
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Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 06:06 AM (1Jaio)
Maybe he'll request Secret Service protection if he bonds out. He could use a hooker, I'm sure.
Posted by: Roy at April 20, 2012 06:08 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:09 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 20, 2012 06:10 AM (RD7QR)
Is that really such a bloody picture? I checked it out this morning and it doesn't seem THAT bad to me in terms of blood. It's what you'd expect from a head wound.
I guess if you really can't stomach blood it might be difficult, so there's that.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:11 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 10:09 AM (Ho2rs)
Yeah. I'm wondering if the WH is just using this story as 'cover' for something. Makes me nervous. Beck showed all the fuck ups by the Secret Service in the last 2 years. There were several.
Posted by: momma at April 20, 2012 06:11 AM (oKsWl)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 06:11 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:12 AM (Ho2rs)
I thought the same thing.
Posted by: mikeyboss at April 20, 2012 06:12 AM (MX5qJ)
Posted by: BearMtnBob at April 20, 2012 06:13 AM (7A0m5)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:14 AM (Ho2rs)
supposed to be protecting her...ugh......
This bothers me worse than the hookers. I am not naive enough to think they DON'T check out the women they're protecting , but to post it online and brag about is beyond tacky. What a cad.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 06:14 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Al Sharpton at April 20, 2012 06:14 AM (HOOye)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 10:12 AM (Ho2rs)
Yeah, you can. OUCH is all I can say.
I once flew off a swing in elementary school, landed on my back and SMACKED the back of my head wicked hard on a rock in the playground's sand. Hurt like a sumbitch. But I didn't bleed.
This? Looks a lot worse.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: eman at April 20, 2012 06:14 AM (YrBvI)
Posted by: minutemen for Mitt (formerly trainer) until the JEF is gone at April 20, 2012 06:15 AM (Rojyk)
dat blud is photshopped in!
let's march!
Posted by: Al Sharpton at April 20, 2012 10:14 AM (HOOye)
No no, Al. It's, "March we much!" remember?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:16 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Paul Revere at April 20, 2012 06:16 AM (iqtXM)
Posted by: momma at April 20, 2012 06:16 AM (oKsWl)
Posted by: John H at April 20, 2012 06:17 AM (h3b8U)
There are plenty in the community that are a danger to him, though. Revolting as it is, he's probably safer in jail.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2012 10:15 AM (v+QvA)
This is what I'm thinking, too. If he does get out on bond he's going to need a police detail to guard him from psychotic Black Panthers and their zombie hoards of braindead followers.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:18 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 06:18 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:18 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 20, 2012 06:19 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:20 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Roy at April 20, 2012 06:20 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Neo at April 20, 2012 06:20 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: minutemen for Mitt (formerly trainer) until the JEF is gone at April 20, 2012 10:15 AM (Rojyk)
This is very true.
I do love the irony of it being ABC who claimed first that he had no injuries, and is now showing that he DID have injuries. Do you think the narrative dissonance is giving them a collective headache down in NYC?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:20 AM (4df7R)
Glad the pictures have surfaced. .....Something to consider, about the 'amount' of blood on the back of Z's head, is that this happened from smashing action.....not from a knife or something that would break the skin.
So the damage to his head wass probably more than the amount of blood depicts.
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 06:21 AM (+5U+B)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:21 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 20, 2012 06:21 AM (u7dxO)
That should be fun to watch. Expect popcorn futures to rise.
Posted by: John H at April 20, 2012 10:17 AM (h3b8U)
He should sue them blind
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 06:21 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Roy at April 20, 2012 06:21 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:22 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: eman at April 20, 2012 06:22 AM (YrBvI)
Posted by: Fritz at April 20, 2012 06:23 AM (/ZZCn)
Fox radio played a clip of Van Jones getting Trayvon's name wrong and yukking it up over his goof.
Van Jones: RACIST!!!111!!!!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 06:23 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Roy at April 20, 2012 06:23 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:23 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:24 AM (4df7R)
Yeah, I was wondering about that. Poor bastard.
Looks like an "unarmed kid" can do a lot of damage. Which we all already knew, since we're not complete fucking racist idiots.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 20, 2012 06:24 AM (/kI1Q)
So the family's lawyer's claims about Zimmerman not having to go to the hospital so his head wound couldn't have come from a traumatic experience are irrelevant. But we all knew that already.
Posted by: Strangebrew at April 20, 2012 06:24 AM (yVRJq)
Posted by: canoedad at April 20, 2012 06:24 AM (dyH/A)
Posted by: Phelps at April 20, 2012 06:25 AM (HDIbi)
I suspect they have no "narrative dissonance" at all. I think (really) that this was never about "Racism" or "Justice for Trayvon." It was about ratings. And at first, until Zimmerman was on trial (okay, he isn't yet, but you know what I mean), the Narrative that sold the best was "The poor, unarmed, defenseless teenage snowflake was gunned-down in cold blood by that racist, profiling white (hispanic) guy."
Now, however, that doesn't sell. They sold the first one so well, that people think his conviction is just a matter of time. So now they have to sell a different narrative. Expect a lot of the the evidence they completely ignored (if not tried to cover up) to "surface" "unexpectedly" over the next few weeks.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:25 AM (8y9MW)
Every single piece of evidence backs up his story. This guy walks and then gets paid.
Posted by: DanInMN at April 20, 2012 06:25 AM (XqeyF)
the rear bumper. We hit a speed bump, I wasn't holding on tightly, so I
was launched into the air, slamming the back of my head on the ground
hard enough to briefly lose consciousness. It opened up a wound that bled
a fair amount, but a friend there had some EMT training. I really did
not want to make a trip to the ER at that point although I probably
should have. The friend put me in some sort of modified sleeper hold
which eventually stopped the bleeding.
A young woman in our community died a few years ago falling out of a golf cart, while holding her toddler in her lap. A friend of ours arrived on the scene and said she was killed instantly after hitting her head on the curb.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 06:26 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Voluble at April 20, 2012 06:26 AM (c8WV/)
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 10:21 AM (+5U+B)
You betcha. I hope he has evidence of doctor visits that he can use for his defense. Head injuries like those almost guarantee a concussion, or at least a high risk of one.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:26 AM (4df7R)
Does Zimmerman have cause to sue?
ABC? Not really. Being complete idiots who are completely wrong is protected speech. It would be hard to show actual malice and even reckless indifference wouldn't really be met. That's not to say they aren't idiots, but it's pretty likely an case would be thrown out on a motion for the pleadings.
NBC is a world of hurt for editing the 911 call. It's an interesting question as to the liability of the affiliates who aired the edited tape but did not have a hand in the editing since they can claim reliance upon the network to get it right.
Posted by: alexthechick at April 20, 2012 06:26 AM (VtjlW)
Every single piece of evidence backs up his story. This guy walks and then gets paid.
He won't walk. He'll be driven slowly in a white Bronco.
Posted by: Roy at April 20, 2012 06:26 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: huerfano at April 20, 2012 06:27 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: California red at April 20, 2012 06:27 AM (DXTKe)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 06:27 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: farsighted at April 20, 2012 06:28 AM (DmWV5)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2012 10:26 AM (v+QvA)
It also shows that Van Jones is just as stupid and lazy as you'd imagine a lowlife turd to be.
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 20, 2012 06:28 AM (4atNB)
Those Zimmerman head shots are sure inconvenient for the media. How long do you think it will be before a media elite yells, "Photoshop!", or "faked!", or even "self-inflicted!" ...?
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at April 20, 2012 06:28 AM (4tnQK)
You guys hear Beck say that Romney, when asked about his Mormon faith, should answer with the exact same words Obama used during the campaign about @ Wright: 'I never really listened, I was asleep, etc.'
HA!
Posted by: momma at April 20, 2012 06:28 AM (oKsWl)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:28 AM (Ho2rs)
Posted by: Mandy P., long-time lurker at April 20, 2012 06:28 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2012 10:15 AM (v+QvA)
I'd say a lot depends on the racial demographic currently residing in the jail they put him in.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 06:28 AM (SsG4J)
hospital so his head wound couldn't have come from a traumatic
experience are irrelevant. But we all knew that already.
Of course we did, we call them "Emergency Medical Technicians" instead of "Paramedics" now for a reason. An EMT is probably as competent (especially when it comes to minor trauma) as your local Care Now or other Urgent Care provider. They would have treated at the scene, and probably done a basic concussion screen as well.
Just because you didn't suffer enough trauma to need hospitalization does not mean you weren't being attacked.
But, again, we already knew that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:29 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Juicer at April 20, 2012 06:29 AM (he7Q4)
She should be tried for abuse of power and convicted, just as should have happened to Nifong, who never should have seen another day of freedom after he tried to put 4 totally innocent (and everyone knew this from the start) kids in jail for decades each. Nifong needed to serve out the max sentences he tried to illegally force on others through his abuse of power - plus extra time for his criminality. The same is true for this piece of shit prosecutor in Florida.
If you don't arrest and jail out-of-control insane prosecutors like this, then this shit keeps happening over and over at increasing frequency.
(The same is true for Barky and his junta of America-hating criminals. People MUST be held to account for their crimes, otherwise society just falls apart.)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 20, 2012 06:30 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: assclownspotter at April 20, 2012 06:30 AM (6d0Fi)
Posted by: jeannebodine at April 20, 2012 06:30 AM (byR8d)
The skin on his head wasn't broken when he fell, either.
My sister and I made it to the hospital in SC that night to take him off life support. I've hated Mother's Day ever since.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 06:30 AM (UOM48)
I'd say a lot depends on the racial demographic currently residing in the jail they put him in.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 10:28 AM (SsG4J)
They'd have to keep him in solitary, or otherwise isolated from the general population. It's too dangerous for him otherwise.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:30 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 10:28 AM (SsG4J)
They should put him in the white Hispanic section
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 06:31 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:31 AM (Ho2rs)
46 ......it will be interesting to learn if little Trayvon tried to go for his gun.
Yeah, Jane......I've been wondering if the police dusted the gun for prints. ....So far, I haven't heard if that happened.
There was that interview with Zimmerman's dad, the retired judge, who said that Trayvon was yelling "I'm gonna kill you!" while he was sitting on Z, smashing his head on the ground.
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 06:32 AM (+5U+B)
79 The investigator said they just chose the word Zimmerman "confronted" Trayvon. He said he didn't base it on any evidence, he could have used the word "met" instead.
Posted by: jeannebodine at April 20, 2012 10:30 AM (byR8d)
Or indeed "encountered."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:32 AM (4df7R)
Someone on the morning comments thread asked how long ABC has had the "exclusive" pix of Z's bloody head. Hmmmm.
And the "exclusive" thing really, really annoys me.
Posted by: Retread at April 20, 2012 06:32 AM (joSBv)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 20, 2012 06:32 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl secretary and now walmart checker!! at April 20, 2012 06:32 AM (Ho2rs)
This. The officials within our Justice System must be held to the highest possible standard, and punished as severely as possible when they fail to uphold that standard. Otherwise how can we trust "the system?"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:33 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes at April 20, 2012 06:33 AM (GXomX)
Posted by: Dagny, Warrior Queen at April 20, 2012 06:34 AM (4yXmp)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:34 AM (4df7R)
It might not be probative. That is, in a scuffle with neither of them wearing gloves, it would be very possible that the gun was covered in prints, but that the prints were too smudged to be recoverable.
That said, I would think they would at least have dusted for prints, just to make sure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:35 AM (8y9MW)
From the research I've done, Manslaughter is a lesser included offense that will be included in the jury instructions for Murder 2 in Florida. The overcharge doesn't really help him much. But after seeing this, I'm convinced that he'll walk at the SYG hearing unless the prosecution has something big we're not hearing about, and wasn't included in the charging document.
Posted by: DanInMN at April 20, 2012 06:35 AM (XqeyF)
Exactly.
White people die everyday, black people only die every few years - and when they do, it's crisis of epic proportions.
At least if you listen to the MFM that's the conclusion you'd draw.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2012 06:35 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: huerfano at April 20, 2012 10:27 AM (bAGA/)
I absolutely agree. At some point, you know if he keeps banging your head on the ground, you're going to lose consciousness and you don't know if the vicious little punk is going to stop even once you're out.
I feel for Trayvonn's family; if someone was following my husband around, there'd have probably been a fight, too. But Zimmerman has the right to defend himself when his head is being smashed in to the ground.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 06:35 AM (SsG4J)
Anybody hear Hannity yesterday afternoon when he played the racist rantings of the NBPP's secretary in Tampa? He then proceeded to ask why the NBBP's hadn't yet been arrested for the numerous laws they broke in issuing a bounty for GZ.
This needs a lot more coverage. More people asking why our laws aren't being enforced...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 20, 2012 06:36 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Dagny, Warrior Queen at April 20, 2012 06:36 AM (4yXmp)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:36 AM (4df7R)
What does Jose Canseco think of the head wound?
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Meh..... my home run head butt looked worse than that.....
Posted by: Crazy Irish Guy from Braveheart at April 20, 2012 06:36 AM (C8hzL)
Me too. I had to make the decision to take my mom off of life support because my Sister just couldn't face it.She was only 67. Hard thing to do...
Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 20, 2012 06:37 AM (ZHge+)
Of course he does. That's all they've got.
I've read the charging document, and it's like a bad diary from Kos.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:37 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 20, 2012 06:37 AM (i6RpT)
And all of you moronettes are just jealous of me because I live in New York City and that I am young and thin and beautiful.
Posted by: dally, who still doesn't like mittens but really likes anal at April 20, 2012 06:38 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: SarahW at April 20, 2012 06:39 AM (LYwCh)
That statement would imply there are some good diaries at Kos.
Not.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2012 06:39 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: jimmuy at April 20, 2012 06:39 AM (kSaUf)
Perhaps he attended the John Edwards school of law, and excelled in Channeling Voices of the Dead 101.
Posted by: Retread at April 20, 2012 06:39 AM (joSBv)
Oh Jane. I'm so sorry.
Head injuries are scary. I worked on multiple cases where there were no or very minor cuts and/or bruising and the person had a massive hematoma. If you fall and hit your head, take it very seriously.
If you don't arrest and jail out-of-control insane prosecutors like this, then this shit keeps happening over and over at increasing frequency.
Insty has a fantastic idea to curb the practice of overcharging defendants. The state pays the proportionate share of the defendant's attorney fees for the charges that were dismissed or dropped. Charge 20 counts and only go to court on 1? State pays 95% of the attorney fees. I also totally agree that prosecutorial immunity should be by statute not by judicial fiat. If we want prosecutors to have immunity, and there are good reasons to give some limited immunity, pass a law and let's hash out the exact parameters of it.
Posted by: alexthechick at April 20, 2012 06:39 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: X at April 20, 2012 06:40 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: Hidy Ho at April 20, 2012 06:40 AM (yBJsx)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 10:36 AM (4df7R)
Well .. thanks to the Chihuahua-chewer and our Senate GOP, empathy has now been officially accepted in American jurisprudence as carrying more weight than any evidence possibly could. Over 3 millenia of Western jurisprudence, flushed down the shitter thanks to an ineligible, retarded, third world puppy-snacker and our cowardly GOP.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 20, 2012 06:40 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Loyal GMA Viewer at April 20, 2012 06:40 AM (mxnUd)
Posted by: toby928© at April 20, 2012 06:40 AM (NG097)
Posted by: Yellow Stream Media at April 20, 2012 06:40 AM (d8P9+)
You're Polish, so I highly doubt that.
(Yes, I know you're a sock...)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2012 06:41 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Greg at April 20, 2012 06:41 AM (bN5ZU)
@AllenG,
The problem of course is that if the prosecution actually tries for a case, they'll try obfuscation and it's could be described as not that "bad" of a head injury.
I don't agree with this line of reasoning however, I'm merely suggesting the direction I think will go. (Similarly, if, in a different hypothetical case Person X were being kicked repeatedly by person Y, it shouldn't really count against X's right to self-defense that Y has really bad aim and keeps missing the sweet spots so the brusing isn't that bad.)
The flip side of this (that the defense could counter with)is there are really 2 types of head injuries. There's the literal skull splitting ones (this does not appear to be that) dangerous because, well your skull is open.
Then there are the ones where your skull is intact, but your brain's been sloshed around so much you suffer severe damage. Unlike my hypthetical kicking case, there's no physical indicator (e.g. brusing) of this. To a certain extent pain makes a really aweful indicator of concussive damage as well. (You will usually get pain with concussions, but not always.)
Posted by: tsrblke at April 20, 2012 06:41 AM (SYrwI)
Posted by: Dagny, Warrior Queen at April 20, 2012 06:41 AM (4yXmp)
Oh lord it's too early for you...
Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 20, 2012 06:42 AM (ZHge+)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 06:42 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 06:42 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: dally, who still doesn't like mittens but really likes anal at April 20, 2012 06:42 AM (nEUpB)
Attention everyone, according to Greg the law requires you to have a fractured skull before you may defend yourself.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2012 06:43 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Dagny, Warrior Queen at April 20, 2012 06:43 AM (4yXmp)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 06:43 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 06:44 AM (1Jaio)
I have met a few smokin' hot Polish chicks...but you are mostly correct. There seems to be a tendency for a certain Reubenesque look among the Poles.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 20, 2012 06:44 AM (nEUpB)
Minor detail for an internet tough guy like Greg.
Stop confusing him with reality.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2012 06:44 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Dagny, Warrior Queen at April 20, 2012 06:44 AM (4yXmp)
I'm a law school grad who isn't practicing (J.D. UMKC 2000) but the link to the jury instruction for murder 2 is on my name just to satisfy your curiosity.
Posted by: DanInMN at April 20, 2012 06:45 AM (XqeyF)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 20, 2012 06:45 AM (d0Tfm)
Oh, no. I meant in relatively, not merely objectively.
The problem of course is that if the prosecution actually tries for a case, they'll try obfuscation and it's could be described as not that "bad" of a head injury.
That's exactly what they'll do. It's what they'll have to do. If the jury is awake at all, though, they'll know it's complete crap.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:45 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: slatz at April 20, 2012 06:45 AM (igH9j)
Obvious troll is obvious.
Posted by: Slublog at April 20, 2012 06:45 AM (0nqdj)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 06:45 AM (4df7R)
O'Mara: Do you have any evidence that Mr. Zimmerman did not return toward his car?
Investigator: No.
Posted by: BearMtnBob at April 20, 2012 06:45 AM (7A0m5)
Posted by: Dagny, Warrior Queen at April 20, 2012 06:45 AM (4yXmp)
hookergate, or whatever it's called.
that issue is COMPLETELY separate, so it seems, than the issue the press is reporting on in relation to one of Palin's secret service bodyguards and his comments towards her while he was on duty.
I have a feeling that story is being pushed to draw your attention away from hookergate. something along those lines.
Me, personally, I want to find out more about these dolts who are involved in hookergate. So far, I don't know if I can find anything.
So how *exactly* is this guy related to the Columbian incident? For all we know, palin's ex-bodyguard was a supervisor of some sort, but that speaks nothing of the identities of the secret service agents who were putting the president's security, and our own image as a country, at risk.
Dear MSM, stop trying to believe I can be so easily distracted and give me the juicy details on the fired SS agents.
Posted by: mike at April 20, 2012 06:46 AM (2qDRX)
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You realize that Romney's father was born in Mexico, making Romney a white hispanic and, ergo, a profiler of innocent 17 year olds who look like Barry's son.
Posted by: Anachronda needs a better tinfoil hat at April 20, 2012 06:46 AM (6fER6)
He was being beaten once and held himself to his own "self defense standard."
Which was noble, I suppose, but with tragic consequences.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: eman at April 20, 2012 06:47 AM (YrBvI)
Posted by: slatz at April 20, 2012 06:47 AM (igH9j)
Posted by: Dagny, Warrior Queen at April 20, 2012 06:47 AM (4yXmp)
Posted by: Tami at April 20, 2012 06:48 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: RosalindJ at April 20, 2012 06:48 AM (ex2UC)
I got hit in the head one time by a softball. It knocked me to the ground, and I coudn't have gotten back up right away, even WITHOUT someone sitting on me and CONTINUALLY banging my head in to the ground, you fucking idiot.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 06:48 AM (SsG4J)
Investigator: No.
Posted by: BearMtnBob at April 20, 2012 10:45 AM (7A0m5)
Game. Set. Match. Wow, they have absolutely nothing.
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at April 20, 2012 06:48 AM (xAtAj)
Yes.
And when did you become the Warrior Queen? Do you have an outfit like Xena?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2012 06:48 AM (sbV1u)
Investigator: No.
After this hearing, if the charges don't get tossed, we'll know the whole thing is rigged. The cops are admitting they have absolutely no evidence to contradict Zimmerman- and the evidence we do know about actually corroborates his story.
Jeez.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:48 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:49 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dagny, Warrior Queen at April 20, 2012 10:44 AM (4yXmp)
I am loving this Warrior Queen Dagny! 
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 06:51 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: eman at April 20, 2012 06:51 AM (YrBvI)
Posted by: Waterhouse at April 20, 2012 06:52 AM (rND5e)
153.....So how *exactly* is this guy related to the Columbian incident?
I think the agent who was 'checking out' Gov. Palin is one of the guys who has been put on suspension from the Columbian incident. .....At least that's what I took away from what they were saying about this, this morning on FNC.
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 06:52 AM (+5U+B)
Bearded douche just had to admit "Injuries are consistent with having his head bashed on the concrete on the sidewalk."
"I am aware of report that his nose is broken."
Bearded douche fail
Posted by: Nutmeg Moron at April 20, 2012 06:52 AM (qxcKC)
Posted by: Tami at April 20, 2012 06:53 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Nutmeg Moron at April 20, 2012 06:53 AM (qxcKC)
Posted by: Red Shirt at April 20, 2012 06:53 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Learflyer at April 20, 2012 06:54 AM (kheK+)
They have to do everything in their power to cement the picture of Zimmerman as the wrong-doer, since they have no actual evidence of such.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 06:54 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: toby928© at April 20, 2012 06:54 AM (NG097)
Posted by: DebinIowa at April 20, 2012 06:54 AM (Qg8h6)
Posted by: blindside at April 20, 2012 06:54 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: alexthechick at April 20, 2012 06:55 AM (VtjlW)
It's the internets. We are all young and thing and beautiful.
Posted by: huerfano at April 20, 2012 06:55 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 20, 2012 06:55 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 20, 2012 06:56 AM (i6RpT)
159 Does it look like Zimmerman has a bullet proof vest on?
I was thinking the same thing. .....The way his tie is laying, like there is something under his shirt to make it lay further out from his chest than normal, is a clue that he could have one on. ....I hope he does.
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 06:56 AM (+5U+B)
Seems the SS has gotten a little lax. I can't imagine where they would have gotten the idea that it is ok to slack of and party all the time.
Fish rots from the head down. They're just following Barky's (woof!) lead.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 06:56 AM (UOM48)
White boy who deserved what was coming to him, doused by gasoline.
NO coverage at all in the last few weeks. No report of charges filed against assailants, no coverage of his recovery, etc.
Some blogger should look into this and see what's going on.
Posted by: scottst at April 20, 2012 06:57 AM (Ubyjl)
Posted by: Jaws at April 20, 2012 06:58 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: oZfic at April 20, 2012 06:59 AM (9vZCv)
Posted by: nevergiveup at April 20, 2012 07:00 AM (i6RpT)
At the same time, our city manager was hosting a "Support Trayvon" event.
From our mayor on down, the entire city is run by a bunch of whitey-hating racists.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 07:00 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2012 07:00 AM (G3K54)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 20, 2012 07:00 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: oZfic at April 20, 2012 10:59 AM (9vZCv)
192 Posted by: oZfic at April 20, 2012 10:59 AM (9vZCv)Not me.
Posted by: TidyCat at April 20, 2012 10:59 AM (NG097)
Or me
Posted by: red mango Lassie at April 20, 2012 07:00 AM (SsG4J)
Way to hijack a thread with nonsense troll..
Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 20, 2012 07:01 AM (ZHge+)
Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 20, 2012 11:01 AM (ZHge+)
It's a sock.
Posted by: Tami at April 20, 2012 07:02 AM (X6akg)
not too sure what I think about this Zimmerman case, but my sources tell
me Romney has no chance, that the polling is all lopsided toward Romney
on purpose so they can do a comeback story and make the election a
landslide for the incumbent. Don't blame the messenger.
Way to hijack a thread with nonsense troll..
Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 20, 2012 11:01 AM (ZHge+
Psst. It's a sock.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 07:02 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 07:02 AM (SsG4J)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 07:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 20, 2012 07:03 AM (hiMsy)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 20, 2012 11:03 AM (hiMsy)
At the halfway point, after the commercial break.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 07:04 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Nutmeg Moron at April 20, 2012 07:04 AM (qxcKC)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 20, 2012 11:02 AM (SsG4J)
It's a "deep troll" from the ephemeral bowels of the internet. Kinda like a nasty virtual particle.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 20, 2012 07:05 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Retread at April 20, 2012 07:05 AM (joSBv)
----------------
Nope. He's one of the guys who got fired.
http://tinyurl.com/7zkoyd7
Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at April 20, 2012 07:05 AM (mvKrL)
Posted by: toby928© at April 20, 2012 07:05 AM (NG097)
Holy fucking shit.
Epic.
Epic.
Epic.
Posted by: Nutmeg Moron at April 20, 2012 07:06 AM (qxcKC)
Posted by: jeannebodine at April 20, 2012 10:30 AM (byR8d)
Or indeed "encountered."
or "was ambushed by"
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2012 07:06 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: minutemen for Mitt (formerly trainer) until the JEF is gone at April 20, 2012 07:08 AM (Rojyk)
No shit. I got a whopper of a concussion playing basketball by getting upended and going head-first into a basket support (I know that only from finding out about it from the other guys later) over 30 years ago. I was knocked out for at least 5 minutes and the guys called the cops because they were afraid I'd die; the cop took me to the closest hospital where they checked me out and told me to come back the next day and for my wife to keep waking me up through the night. I was out of work for a week; I tried to go back but they sent me home because I was still out of it. All I wanted to do was sleep to recover from it; my I/Os were fucked up too because I was having a hard time speaking for a short period which scared the shit out of me but I figured it would come back.
I've been extremely sympathetic to people with head injuries since then; to the point where I'm wary about taking people off life support because they may still be alive just very deeply buried in their grey matter.
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 20, 2012 07:09 AM (4atNB)
This prosecutor is a totally biased dickhead! ....."unarmed teen, just minding his own business"
And what 'business' was that? Standing around in the rain, in the dark....what sort of 'business' was Trayvon up to?
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 07:09 AM (+5U+B)
Posted by: blindside at April 20, 2012 07:09 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 20, 2012 07:10 AM (ZHge+)
Posted by: Yeah, I added the last part at April 20, 2012 07:11 AM (mxnUd)
We already knew he didn't know how old Martin was (how could he?). Indeed, that's part of the defense. If he'd known Trayvon was a teenager, he might have reacted differently. So what? And as for apologizing to the family... well, he'd actually already done that, I thought. No one is disputing that he shot the kid, the entire question is of who attacked whom. And the evidence supports Zimmerman's story.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 07:11 AM (8y9MW)
After this hearing, if the charges don't get tossed, we'll know the whole thing is rigged. The cops are admitting they have absolutely no evidence to contradict Zimmerman- and the evidence we do know about actually corroborates his story.
Jeez.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 10:48 AM (8y9MW)
Remember... these are the cop who did NOT bring charges in the first place... they KNEW the evidence... its the Special Prosecutor who over reached... but...
With this total lack of evidence, on record, and a dismissal from the Judge... will the Race Baiters shut up? Will this take them into conspiracy theorist territory if they continue?
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 20, 2012 07:11 AM (lZBBB)
Jewelry sales to his classmates. Amazing the profits you can make when your inventory is free
Posted by: kbdabear at April 20, 2012 07:12 AM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Retread at April 20, 2012 07:12 AM (joSBv)
Posted by: SarahW at April 20, 2012 07:12 AM (LYwCh)
'Morning Morons!
Those Zimmerman head shots are sure inconvenient for the media. How long do you think it will be before a media elite yells, "Photoshop!", or "faked!", or even "self-inflicted!" ...?
Too late. I've already seen this comment "It's so fake looking, why would they even submit that as evidence unless they know the fix is in."
I'm seriously considering joining a monastery somewhere in Bolivia.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at April 20, 2012 07:13 AM (YmPwQ)
If my son had been in the situation "little" Trayvon was in, he would have explained, "Sir, I just went out to get some snacks and am returning home."
End of story.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 07:13 AM (UOM48)
The Race Baiters will never shut up, and they're already conspiracy theorists. I don't see how that changes anything.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 07:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Killjoy at April 20, 2012 07:14 AM (UF4HH)
This new judge seems to have a pretty good handle on the risk that exists for both Zimmerman....and the witnesses. ....This is good.
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 07:14 AM (+5U+B)
Used to practice criminal law. Prosecuter. Prosecutors typically charge the highest level that can colorably be justified by the facts as they know them. Oftentimes the hope is to get the defendant to plead to a LIO (lesser included offense). It gets a conviction, speeds up the process, saves the state money and sometimes spares the victims further emotional harm. It isn't always a bad thing.
That being said, you have to have a colorable claim for the charge "(no that isn't an allusion to race). Proscutor here over charged. Doesn't look like anything more than manslaughter. She charged as she did, when she did, and with as little evidence supporting the charge as she did, for political and personal reasons.
Posted by: thunderb at April 20, 2012 07:15 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Gerg at April 20, 2012 07:15 AM (/ZZCn)
118 Fucking cocksucker whore of a justice system
Yep, that's what I've been thinking lately. Fucking Law Schools - if a few of the profs that turned out these whores had gotten a bloody head like Z, maybe they wouldn't have tried so hard to fuck up the country. Looks like they have succeeded to me.
Posted by: sherlock at April 20, 2012 07:16 AM (7UMow)
Medical professionals need x-rays or MRI's to determine this, but Greggy can tell by looking at a picture
Posted by: Dr Gregory House at April 20, 2012 07:17 AM (Y+DPZ)
Based on what we know (and what is now in the court record) it doesn't even look like that much. No evidence that contradicts anything Zimmerman has said. All evidence that does exist corroborates his story (if not the specific 2 - 3 minute window of the actual fight and shooting).
Seriously, this should get tossed, and the special (ed) prosecutor should get reprimanded (at the least).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 20, 2012 07:17 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: I can't believe I just thought that at April 20, 2012 07:18 AM (mxnUd)
So you don't know who started it but "zimmerman confronted martin". What a BS case this is.
Posted by: Hoover at April 20, 2012 07:18 AM (sD7bS)
The dog mention reminds me...
There was a 'hispanic' arrested in Florida some months/a year ago for having 'sexual relations' with his dog. In public no less. He didn't understand why he was being arrested saying 'But it's my dog.' I do not know if the molester(?) was a white hispanic.
Posted by: RioBravo at April 20, 2012 07:18 AM (eEfYn)
Medical professionals need x-rays or MRI's to determine this, but Greggy can tell by looking at a picture
Posted by: Dr Gregory House at April 20, 2012 11:17 AM (Y+DPZ)
Greg... hes not a Doctor... but his Mom stayed at a Holiday Inn with a Client named John last night, who said he was a Doctor...
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 20, 2012 07:19 AM (lZBBB)
Um.....about that "white hispanic" term that the media has been using. ....After seeing Zimmerman next to other people....for comparison. ....Zimmerman's shade of skin tone is not all that light.
If they're calling Zimmerman a "white hispanic"....then, they should be calling Barky a "white African".
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 07:20 AM (+5U+B)
White Hispanic Zimmerman attacked innocent pretend son of Barry from behind and emptied the clip into his innocent back then took his dead body (at that point Trayvon was a corpseman) and beat himself with the body. And then posted pictures of Trayvon on the internet took make him look bad, created records of innocent Trayvon being suspended and set up the No Limit N***a account too. White Hispanic Zimmerman probably doctored the NBC tape too
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 07:20 AM (1Jaio)
Where the hell would he run to?
I do wonder where in the world he would be able to live when this nightmare is over?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 20, 2012 07:22 AM (UOM48)
And then he ate a dog and insulted a cookie.
Posted by: Slublog at April 20, 2012 07:22 AM (0nqdj)
Posted by: Anonimous Canine Cuisine Expert at April 20, 2012 07:23 AM (mxnUd)
Posted by: polynikes at April 20, 2012 07:23 AM (GXomX)
Posted by: Jimbo
Dude your watching it, right. Although I thought the cop prejudiced the case the other way.
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2012 07:25 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 10:21 AM (+5U+B)
No kidding. Think of how hard his brain was getting sloshed inside his skull. The scalp injury itself is nothing, but it is evidence of possible brain injury. Brain injuries are weird. Once saw a guy just shake off a bad blow to the head who just fell over dead a week later.
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at April 20, 2012 07:25 AM (NVu2l)
Posted by: thunderb at April 20, 2012 11:15 AM (Dnbau)
Don't forget to add in to the mix that this was the second go-round on charging, unlike your usual case. That makes the analysis of the prosecutor's case a bit different - requiring more scrutiny than usual. But this isn't even up to snuff for a normal case. That puts this into some sort of legal "abuse of power" territory, by my lay estimation.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 20, 2012 07:25 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2012 07:26 AM (WkuV6)
I think there are some good tips to pick up from this whole episode. For example, if you are a racist white hispanic, want to gun down an innocent child, and you are on the phone with a 911 dispatcher at that time, be sure to garble your words in order to create confusion later on during the investigation.
Posted by: RioBravo at April 20, 2012 07:26 AM (eEfYn)
There was an out of control prosecutor once in Atlanta. She was thrown out of office but someone at Headline News thought it would be a great idea to give her a TV show
Posted by: kbdabear at April 20, 2012 07:27 AM (Y+DPZ)
http://tinyurl.com/6rs2nkx
Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 20, 2012 07:27 AM (9vZCv)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 20, 2012 07:29 AM (HethX)
It''s obvious to me that it was the skittles that caused that head injury.
Posted by: spypeach at April 20, 2012 07:29 AM (+BJur)
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at April 20, 2012 10:28 AM
I'm working on that now
Posted by: Chuckles Johnson, Race Detective at April 20, 2012 07:32 AM (Y+DPZ)
Since the prosecution is bringing up the "Zimmerman was following Trayvon" line......doesn't that mean that the defense will be free to bring up 'why' there was a neighborhood watch program? .....Bring up the history of burlaries/robberies that have happened there?
And further....will the defense be able to bring up Trayvon getting kicked out of school for having stolen jewellry in his backpack?
Posted by: wheatie at April 20, 2012 07:32 AM (+5U+B)
How is this even going to get past the self defence hearing???? The state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Z started the fight (threw the first punch or used "fighting words"). The investigator just stated, under oath, the state had no case.
IMO this is simply Corey trying to give the Martins some sort of satisfaction that Z was punished and spent some time in jail. "No Bail" would have meant spending upwards of a year in jail regardless of outcome.
Posted by: deadman at April 20, 2012 07:32 AM (dvEtf)
Posted by: thunderb at April 20, 2012 07:34 AM (Dnbau)
135 A little blood but obviously no fracturing of the
skull. So flight was clearly possible. Too bad there was no impairment
to the part of brain that produces racist, homicidal impulses.
Posted by: Greg
Greg, too bad your parents had working genitalia and produced you.....
Posted by: Crowsting - The SCOAMT fears SMOD at April 20, 2012 07:35 AM (61BD9)
Posted by: Jimmah at April 20, 2012 07:35 AM (UpwlP)
the media. How long do you think it will be before a media elite yells,
"Photoshop!", or "faked!", or even "self-inflicted!" ...?
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at April 20, 2012 10:28 AM
Trayvon's only crime was looking like Barry's son (if he had one). White Hispanic Zimmerman probably took innocent Trayvon's blood and rubbed it on the back of his own white Hispanic racist head.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 20, 2012 07:36 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Ghost of Johnny Cochran at April 20, 2012 07:42 AM (FVp26)
Posted by: Crowsting - The SCOAMT fears SMOD at April 20, 2012 11:35 AM (61BD9)
Heh. I always thought sitting on someone'e chest and bashing their head into the ground was the very definition of taking away that someone's ability to flee. The leftists are evil because the knowingly lie to push a meme. They'd gut you, or me, to promote socialism Individuals mean nothing to them. The just wanat to be the new nobility. They despise the average prole more than I do.
I think the big difference between Lefties, and conservatives is that cons will admit the proles are stupid herd animals, but they still don't think that gives them the right to rob them.
Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at April 20, 2012 07:43 AM (NVu2l)
Posted by: BearMtnBob at April 20, 2012 10:13 AM (7A0m5)
******
He has that sort of Aw Shucks personality that disarms people and he's not given to dramatics. Something else I noticed today is that he is very fit, but dresses in such a way that it is rather hidden. I remember the first time I saw him address the press and thought he might be a skinny little simpleton.
What was the line Pacino used in The Devil' Advocate?
Never let them see you coming.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 20, 2012 07:44 AM (piMMO)
Seein' I have zero experience with courtrooms, this was very interesting. I thought the prosecutor didn't hit as hard as he could (or had nuthin'), and the cop on the stand was laconic but his testimony supported the defense.
I got a shock when GZ took the stand and was hit with cross...but apparently the rules limited cross related to his statement on the stand.
Posted by: minutemen for Mitt (formerly trainer) until the JEF is gone at April 20, 2012 07:44 AM (Rojyk)
Something else, every time I refresh it takes me all the way down the page to a post from a couple of days ago.
This wonkiness is making me nuts.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 20, 2012 07:45 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Sladenyv at April 20, 2012 07:46 AM (y6Uq4)
Posted by: Ted Nugent's Iron Testicles at April 20, 2012 07:47 AM (EL+OC)
Honestly, if that's the meat of the prosecution's case, WTF? I've seen stronger cases on Law and Order: Special fucking Victims Unit.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at April 20, 2012 07:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at April 20, 2012 07:48 AM (6BgmB)
Well, according to noted legal scholar and drooling lefty, Greg, that's exactly what it takes.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 20, 2012 07:48 AM (sbV1u)
*****
Defense made a unusual statement but I think it was effective:
(pp) "If this is a second degree murder case simply because the state says it is..."
Which, is clever, and true. Although he is being charged with second degree murder, the first thing that will be established is whether he was acting in self-defense and whether his actions are protected by the "Stand Your Ground" law. Although charged as the aggressor, Zimmerman has the law and self-defense on his side. They have to prove that he not only exceeded his right to self-protection, but then went so far as to murder a man in cold blood.
I think it's gonna be a tough case for the state.
Then again, I'm not an attorney.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 20, 2012 07:52 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jimmah at April 20, 2012 07:53 AM (UpwlP)
Posted by: Learflyer at April 20, 2012 07:53 AM (kheK+)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 20, 2012 07:53 AM (iAUf+)
****
Too bad he wasn't wearing his Hollister shirt that night instead of skulking around in a hoodie.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 20, 2012 07:56 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: toby928© at April 20, 2012 07:56 AM (NG097)
Posted by: TexasJew at April 20, 2012 08:00 AM (8kWKd)
Posted by: TexasJew at April 20, 2012 08:02 AM (8kWKd)
From all the information we have there is only 2 factions that believe Zimmerman is guilty: 1) the Martin family/attorneys; and 2) the special prosecutor brought in from another city to file the charge. The investigators and police did their job and are now forced to testify for the state. It sounds to me like he told the truth and it didn't help the states case at all. $150,000 is small potatoes in a murder trial.
Posted by: Snake at April 20, 2012 08:05 AM (kckA7)
If Travelon were alive today, would he be:
A) Testifying for leniency for Zimmerman
B) Parlaying his notoriety into a Rap contract
or
C) Scratching frantically at the lid of his coffin.
Posted by: toby928© at April 20, 2012 08:05 AM (NG097)
Posted by: scottst at April 20, 2012 10:57 AM (Ubyjl)
Actually, I have, though I'm only a commentator. Anyhow, this appears to be the story...
The kid made the whole thing up. He was playing with fire, and somehow got burned. So a tall tale was told. Unfortunately, it got out.
Now it took a while to dig into this, and even the KCStar was kind of holding it back, but it seems the police never believed the story, and I don't know if the kid 'fessed up or not, but nothing ever happened. I think that the whole thing was dropped just hoping it would go away.
And if you think about it, notice there was no "Outraged Parents" on the news night after night.
Boys play with fire. Just sometimes it gets out of hand...
Posted by: HH at April 20, 2012 08:10 AM (KB0hv)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball, racist! at April 20, 2012 08:15 AM (mxnUd)
That's it? Murder two on that basis? They don't know what happened, have no evidence that contradicts a claim of self-defense while evidence supports it, but because there are some contradictions in his five statements he is beyond a reasonable doubt a murderer?
My understanding is if the five separate statements did not have any contradictions at all the cops would get suspicious. Some level of contradiction is normal because the questions vary and are worded differently. the suspect may characterize and word answers differently, and when things happen very quickly some memories may be fuzzy and unclear.
The prosecution appears to have no case at all.
Posted by: farsighted at April 20, 2012 08:17 AM (DmWV5)
Posted by: Jimmah at April 20, 2012 08:36 AM (UpwlP)
*****
The civil case should be against the NBPP.
The parents, frankly, have been reasonable. They have not been calling for violence and no matter what, they did lose their son. They have to be allowed a bit of latitude in their grieving.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 20, 2012 08:39 AM (piMMO)
Maybe, but in a legal sense, the actions of their kid caused him a financial loss. The parent is responsible for paying Zim for any losses. I'd get that ball rolling, and the advantage would be to depose them under oath.
Posted by: Jimmah at April 20, 2012 08:45 AM (UpwlP)
The judge seemed reasonable to me too. They had some discussion about how to get info out to the media asap but protect the identities and addresses of Z and his family and the witnesses. Both sides seem to be concerned about safety, although between the media hounds and race baiters I wonder if confidential info will leak.
I read somewhere over the weekend that Z didn't pull his gun out until Trayvon saw it (while smashing his head to the ground). It wasn't clear on whether or not Z thought Trayvon might try to grab the gun first.
Also Jane D'oh, I feel the same way about Father's Day. My dad died just a couple days before that day almost 14 years ago and I couldn't even walk down the card aisle of a grocery store around FD for the first few years.
Posted by: Mayday at April 20, 2012 08:47 AM (orrLR)
I would not be a good defendant on the stand, no poker face at all and would not be able to conceal my frustration if I thought I was being railroaded.
Posted by: Mayday at April 20, 2012 08:56 AM (orrLR)
The actual racists out there, whether they be liberal or white supremacists, are going to turn him into either a pariah or an icon, when he probably just wants to live a safe peaceful life with his family.
Posted by: Feynmangroupie at April 20, 2012 09:00 AM (oI744)
I caught that too and wonder why nobody spoke up.
Posted by: slatz at April 20, 2012 09:19 AM (K0eRV)
Posted by: steevy at April 20, 2012 09:33 AM (6HIQG)
How can GZ go from bloody pulp at the scene to cleaned up but not bandaged in the police station thirty minutes later?
Ever have a scalp wound? They tend to bleed like a mother and keep going without a bandage, pressure or stitches. Is it possible a paramedic saw GZ at the scene for those bloody wounds but never even gave him a band aid?
What about GZ's clothes or TM's clothes? That much blood there should be some bloodstains on them. Was there?
There should also be some blood stains on the concrete. Was there?
Posted by: Winston Wolf at April 20, 2012 12:18 PM (Xv7f/)
You can start sucking my c*ck right now Winston...if that is your name...
Who said Zimmerman was a bloody pulp? The picture indicates scalp wounds, not pulp.
Have you seen any pictures with enough detail to say that he didn't have some kind of tape to close a wound? Has there been anything published from the paramedics saying what treatment was administered? Until then, on you knees.
Diito.
We will find out at trial.
The burden of proof is on the prosecution, so far we have seen zip to support the charge. Maybe we will see more at trial. In the meantime, on your knees, lib troll.
Posted by: Dogbert at April 20, 2012 01:44 PM (3Y590)
Posted by: Under a Vampire Moon epub at April 21, 2012 12:56 AM (+yFoL)
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