December 07, 2012
— Ace When any other sort of company screws up, that is part of its one-paragraph description forever. If the media writes about, say, Dow Corning, they'll mention the lawsuits against them over the allegedly unsafe silicone breast implant device. And so on.
For some crazy reason, that never seems to happen with the media, huh? Even their natural competitors, other media outlets, observe the Rules of the Cartel and never mention each other's legal problems in later capsule mentions of each other. This Washington Post piece doesn't note the fact that NBC rigged cars to blow up for a Dateline special. And it discusses the suit in terms of humorous derision.
Zimmerman thus didn’t volunteer a racial profile of Martin; he was asked to provide it, a point that the lawsuit makes in colorful fashion: “NBC created this false and defamatory misimpression using the oldest form of yellow journalism: manipulating Zimmerman’s own words, splicing together disparate parts of the recording to create illusions of statements that Zimmerman never actually made.”...
Following a public uproar over the tape-doctoring, NBC News issued a statement on the matter saying this: “During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers.”
Such contrition didn’t impress the Zimmerman camp. “Only after the defendants’ malicious acts were uncovered and exposed by other media outlets … did defendant NBC ‘apologize’ and terminate some of those in its employ responsible for the yellow journalism identified in this Complaint.” Zimmerman himself never received an apology from the defendants, according to the suit.
The suit doesn’t specify a dollar amount of damages that Zimmerman is seeking. “That’s showmanship,” says James Beasley, the Philadelphia-based lawyer representing Zimmerman in the suit.
It's so funny to think that citizens can hold media organizations accountable for their malicious slanders. What sillyheads! All this "showmanship" and "colorful" filings! Why this man must be some sort of crazy Tea Partier.
And also, a racist.
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Posted by: NC Ref at December 07, 2012 06:25 AM (dVJLS)
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at December 07, 2012 06:26 AM (YLZSZ)
Whatever it is, he should add a few zeros.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 06:27 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 06:28 AM (MmK+i)
Posted by: RioBravo at December 07, 2012 06:28 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 06:28 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 06:28 AM (YdQQY)
Second, burn the media down.
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 06:30 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 06:30 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 06:30 AM (sGU4F)
And burn some more!
Posted by: DefendUSA at December 07, 2012 06:30 AM (nAHMK)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 06:30 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 06:31 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 10:28 AM (MmK+i)
She's a piece of crap. She's all about her. When she was named as prosecutor, a lot of people around here went "W...T...F???"
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 06:31 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 06:31 AM (piMMO)
BS. They purposely doctored the tape to smear the guy. I hope he sues them out of existence.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 06:31 AM (1Jaio)
$1 Billion would be my starting figure. And it would go up from there.
Then, after the successful outcome of that suit, I'd start going after Al Sharpton, the NBPP, the state prosecutor, and any other carbon-based life form that had anything to do with this miscarriage of justice.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 06:31 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2012 06:32 AM (VUmqF)
Posted by: NBC Lawyers at December 07, 2012 06:32 AM (1XVru)
Posted by: alexiosososososo at December 07, 2012 06:32 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 06:32 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 06:32 AM (sGU4F)
People notoriously hate the media. They relish a chance to get back at them for anything.
Hitler could win a judgment against NBC if it went to a jury.
The only question is how many zeros the settlement will be.
Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 06:33 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 06:33 AM (MmK+i)
....... unless they elect to settle out of court under a gag order.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 06:33 AM (YdQQY)
Probably not, but my (admittedly rather shaky) logic would go like this:
The Washington Post is a nationally known newspaper with an online webs presence. It is not unreasonable to assume that some percentage of the jury pool for this case would read the Washington Post, and therefore be prejudiced against the plaintiff. By taking the tone of an editorial, rather than a "straight" news story, the Washington Post made it a) more likely that people in the jury pool would have read the article and b) given themselves a thin veneer to say "it's just opinion."
Whether or not you could hit them, legally, for such a thing, I think they should be taken to task for doing it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 06:33 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 06:34 AM (RDP+N)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 06:34 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 06:34 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 06:35 AM (sGU4F)
Posted by: Alanr at December 07, 2012 06:35 AM (9N5Tl)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (QupBk)
Didn't they settle with him as well?
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 06:36 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: General Zod at December 07, 2012 06:36 AM (2+bRt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (piMMO)
That second part? That's pretty much exactly what the people I know said when she was named. That it would be a show trial. All about her in the limelight.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 06:36 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 06:37 AM (ThczH)
In Canada you could. Their notions of "free speech", particularly in regard to criminal cases are considerably more restrictive than ours.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 06:37 AM (9mflY)
Call it an attempt to poison the jury pool. Say they were aiming to get Zimmermann convicted by any means...or, failing that, to so incense public opinion that someone would try to kill him.
Someone like, say, the New Black Panther Party that put a bounty on him in violation of various state and federal laws?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 06:38 AM (yiIja)
Zimmerman thus didnÂ’t volunteer a racial profile of Martin; he was asked to provide it, a point that the lawsuit makes in colorful fashion
Ah. So calling out yellow journalism for what it is in the modern USA is known as "colorful" "showmanship," instead of the deadly serious telling of truths.
Bastards, every one of them. The dinosaur media cannot die fast enough for me.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 07, 2012 06:38 AM (4df7R)
"Such contrition didnÂ’t impress the Zimmerman camp. "
Oh of course! He has nothing anyway! They apologized for ruining his life, what more do you want!
Next on NBC, gay teen sex, and sex. On after that, an hour of sex, plus being gay and black in America, as well as sex.
Up this weekend, sex, and more sex. NBC Nightly News with Brain Williams looks at sex in America, and race, and race and sex, in america, as well as, sex and race. And racist sex with transgendered people, what are their concerns.
Posted by: Rev. Dr. Buzz Miller The Shit at December 07, 2012 06:38 AM (ApGOC)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (piMMO)
No prosecutor would ever try to manipulate evidence--that would go against the sacred canon of ethics which we in the legal system hold so dear.
Oh is that a TV camera over there?
Posted by: Mikey Nifong at December 07, 2012 06:38 AM (Cnqmv)
Did NBC ever apologize to the man they slandered? Did they read their own statement on the same shows that contained the slander or was is just some press briefing?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2012 06:39 AM (kcbsg)
With the help of the prosecutor, they will construct a jury of fellow parasitical obamites and carry the day.
Posted by: George at December 07, 2012 06:40 AM (qBLA2)
Posted by: Lucy Ramirez at December 07, 2012 06:40 AM (RDP+N)
Business as usual is not a screwup.
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 07, 2012 06:40 AM (Z1eo/)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 06:41 AM (ThczH)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at December 07, 2012 06:41 AM (4df7R)
Seems like NBC and CNN and CBS are now tied for intentional misreported stories of significance.
NBC - rigged cars and Zimmerman
CNN - Operation Tailwind and Saddam Hussein lackey
CBS - Tet Offensive and Tainted meat
Sad thing is nothing will happen to any of them.
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 06:41 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 06:42 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 06:42 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Palm Beach Pooter Hounda2 at December 07, 2012 06:42 AM (ufLRj)
Posted by: higg at December 07, 2012 06:42 AM (zLQ9q)
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 06:42 AM (m2CN7)
Of course they will. I think the money is a secondary consideration. I think it's much more important to Zimmerman's defense to be able to say, "This has been a libelous smear from day one, here's proof."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 06:43 AM (5DR1j)
December 7, 1941 - a day that will live in infamy... but not at Google.
BING, on the other hand, has a very tasteful and inspiring photo. I use Bing almost exclusively now.
Posted by: sherlock at December 07, 2012 06:43 AM (81ia8)
Posted by: Bush TANG documents at December 07, 2012 06:43 AM (RDP+N)
We are all serfs in the eyes of the chosen!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 06:43 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 10:42 AM (/kI1Q)
How in the freak did I forget about that one.
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 06:43 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 06:43 AM (QupBk)
OT, hey Ace, I can't find your tome, er review, on it but what did you think of Red Dawn? I'm thinking of taking my 12 year old Act of Valor fan. Thanks!
Posted by: eureka! LiFBer at December 07, 2012 06:44 AM (HPRku)
This is something that really irks me. The system needs to maintain at least an appearance of integrity on the surface if the public is to believe in it at all.
This blatant up front manipulation shatters that.
Prosecutor misconduct like this should be considered a major felony with a mandatory 20-life sentence. When the penalty is so harsh, and the risk so high for little gain, people won't do it.
There's a reason why mailmen are robbed very infrequently
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 06:45 AM (9mflY)
Like when she was hugging Trepons family.
Quality.
Posted by: T. Hunter - LiB at December 07, 2012 06:45 AM (EZl54)
There's been so much media malpractice/malfeasance since then, it feels like a lifetime ago.
I just like to say "Throbbing Memo."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 06:46 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: I am Fat as Hell at December 07, 2012 06:46 AM (RDP+N)
Ah, Rev. Buzz. My day is complete and it's only 7:45.
They did settle with Richard Jewell after a few court opinions showed that they were going to get reamed. Turned that guy's life inside out and only settled when they saw the train coming down the tracks at them.
Where's all the criticism of us evil plaintiffs' lawyers from the usual crowd here, though? Goes to show that some people (including corporate people) need suing.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 06:46 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 06:46 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Gaius Zimmericus, 42 AD at December 07, 2012 06:47 AM (ThczH)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 06:47 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 06:47 AM (piMMO)
Please note that Jeff Burnside, who was fired from NBC 6 Miami for editing the Zimmerman call was out of work about two months before he was hired to a similar position at KOMO in Seattle.
These clowns rarely go away.
Posted by: boniface ballers at December 07, 2012 06:47 AM (l3RZ9)
No need to go so far. Detroit should do just fine.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 06:47 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: NBC Lawyer's Guild at December 07, 2012 06:48 AM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:45 AM (9mflY)
We have long passed the point where any semblance of prosecutorial misconduct needs to hidden, instead, it is flaunted.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 06:48 AM (Cnqmv)
Zimmerman should be seeking damages where if he wins, Chris Matthews has to be his bitch.
Posted by: Roy at December 07, 2012 06:48 AM (tiOTz)
Then he takes a nice chunk of that dough and sues the shit out of Sharpton, NBPP, Angela Corey in her person, and anyone else that made defamatory remarks about him. I'm pretty sure that would include the other networks, HuffPo, lots of newsrags, etc.
He could cost them billions in aggregate without winning a single case. The neat thing is, none of the case would be easy for a judge to dismiss as frivolous.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 06:48 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 07, 2012 06:48 AM (Z1eo/)
Scott is unimpressive as a FL governor. The only reason he got elected is the Dem challenger was even less impressive. I don't see Scott getting reelected. I think even Crist running as a Democrat would beat him.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 06:49 AM (9mflY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 06:49 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 06:49 AM (e0xKF)
The Zimmerman case is yet one more symptom of the problem.
Life Worth Living
I used to keep an index card with a short list of items on it so that every day I remembered what is important. It read: Wife Work Weimaraner
It was before we had kids. It reminded me that my purpose was to be a good husband, employer, and person in general. It worked for me. I was successful and I felt good about giving of my time, talent, and resources. I helped family and friends whenever I could. I had been a good man, attended church, was involved in my community, and was a good employer. Trying to do for others first was my priority. As I said it was working very well. It worked well after kids too. I was living for those around me. I felt good.
Sometime about six years ago our church, where I was an elder and active session member, went through an upheaval and the problems were exacerbated by liberals who simply were takers who wanted control. We ended up leaving that church, ironically it was Presbyterian and they like to think of themselves as the frozen chosen – they were supposed to be anchored fairly well abstaining from upheaval. I knew that had I stayed, my gifts would only be used to perpetuate the bad status quo. In good conscious I knew that for the church to mend, that I had to let it fail. (I had been the second most contributor for a number of years. The top contributor also left). I and my family began attending a different Presby church, but I have yet to regain that connectivity and am fearful to join as a member.
I have been narrowing my friends and family to only those with like minds. I have become less tolerant of idiots and liberals BIRM. At work I care less about my employees. I have become ambivalent about othersÂ’ hardships. I barely get upset even over a friendÂ’s terminal illness. I have become unfeeling toward those outside my most immediate family and friends.
Why?
I know why. But I no longer can afford to expend anymore of my efforts to try to change it. A while back I actually calculated what the government takes from me. Adding all the taxes and fees came to over 50% of my gross earnings. I also calculated that a quarter of my work effort was spent fulfilling government regulations. So I determined that over 75% of my work effort was being taken with little to no benefit to me. I have felt enslaved since. I think of the communist countries that had and have soul crushing taxes and laws. This is where we have come. Our current society and culture are soul crushing. There simply is no more capacity to care about others when it takes all your efforts to take care of yourself and yours.
Yes, Life is worth living. However, given the current state, it is not worth trying to help others. The government has placed itself in the roll of nanny, father, big brother, caregiver, and mother. There is no longer a need to help your fellow man when that roll is filled by government.
The worst aspect of it all is that I have been robbed of my gift of giving. The joy of selflessly helping others can be no longer until we regain our liberty and independence. I am becoming a hollow shell of what I had once been.
I have not given up. I have however resigned myself that until the current state of things changes for the better I cannot help a single person outside my immediate sphere. If a good employee, close friend, or immediate family member needs a hand through no fault of their own, I will be there for them. Outside of that, everyone else is on their own. I wish it were different but it is what it has become.
Until our society hits bottom, any effort to change it will only be wasted on those that are the takerrs, the ones that are the crux of the problem.
Our president knows that in order to fundamentally transform this nation it must be first destroyed. The forces at play right now clearly indicate that, as Monty always said, we are doomed. Indeed we are. The takers figured out that they can vote themselves other peoples efforts. But, this only works in the near term. Eventually the bill comes due and must be paid. So, in certain regards, I agree with our president. The nation must be destroyed before it can be transformed. Now here is the good part.
Since the country will be destroyed and we will indeed hit bottom we will have a new opportunity. It is then that we can say: Look what the liberals have done; they have destroyed what was once good. No, we will not rebuild another house of cards supported by debt of future generations; we will not take from those of means and give it to those of wants. We shall instead rebuild our country in the image of the greatness it had been, in the image that had been our foundersÂ’ dream.
LIB is our only course, unfortunate as it may be. Tinkering around the edges is only prolonging and deepening the eventual pain.
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 07, 2012 06:49 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: Gaius Zimmericus, 42 AD at December 07, 2012 06:49 AM (ThczH)
Where's all the criticism of us evil plaintiffs' lawyers from the usual crowd here, though?
The criticism comes as a result of the frivolous suits.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 06:50 AM (yiIja)
Jewell got relatively very little from the media and he died soon after.
I guess you could call over a million "relatively little"
The dude got $500,000 from NBC, and undisclosed amounts from CNN, the NYPost, and the college.
Lived until 2007, too.
He did alright for a guy who was never going to have much in life to begin with. As for dying, shit, did you see the size of the dude. Walking coronary.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 06:50 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 06:50 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 06:50 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 06:51 AM (sGU4F)
Posted by: and irresolute at December 07, 2012 06:51 AM (DBH1h)
I'm making a list and checking it twice. They won't be liking their presents at all.
Posted by: The Collapse Santa at December 07, 2012 06:52 AM (9mflY)
Posted by: T. Hunter - LiB at December 07, 2012 06:53 AM (EZl54)
"Some of those people be armed!"
That right, ladanisustoyalarisha.
We are.
Posted by: George at December 07, 2012 06:53 AM (qBLA2)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 06:53 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Pipe Holder at December 07, 2012 06:53 AM (VTeUD)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 06:55 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 06:55 AM (X6akg)
If only we could sue the POTUS.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 10:54 AM (LpQbZ)
You can! But ... but, you have to get his permission first!
Posted by: and irresolute at December 07, 2012 06:55 AM (DBH1h)
Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 06:55 AM (RDP+N)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 06:56 AM (LpQbZ)
I think the plaintiff has to be alive to sue in tort law.
No, walkers, he doesn't. Not for a;ll torts. He does have to be alive for a defamation suit, though.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 06:56 AM (UaxA0)
110 Has Alan Dershowitz gotten involved with any aspect of this case? I heard him on Fox one time reaming the prosecutor.
Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 10:55 AM (X6akg)
Am I wrong in believing that he's slowly being wooed by the Dark Side?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 06:56 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 07, 2012 06:56 AM (Z1eo/)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 07, 2012 06:57 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 06:57 AM (piMMO)
Was that Tamara or Tah-mar-a?
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 06:57 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:56 AM (da5Wo)
I dunno.....could just be the blind squirrel/stopped clock thing.
Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 06:57 AM (X6akg)
I can already see Jake Tapper wavering...
Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at December 07, 2012 06:58 AM (8d63Z)
Posted by: NCKate at December 07, 2012 06:58 AM (V1oS8)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 06:58 AM (e/Cti)
It all boils down to the judges, now.
Not really. In a state court action (which this almost certainly would be, joining the local affiliate and the NBC HQ) a judge isn't going to give two shits and a holler about NBC and their army of Skadden Arps clones.
In fact, all the NBC legal muscle will probably be counterproductive. A Local judge never likes being intimidated, and there's no reason for a local judge to care if NBC gets whacked for a massive judgment.
I'd also hazard a guess that the judges in that locale are fairly plaintiff friendly.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 06:59 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 06:59 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 07, 2012 06:59 AM (7vSU0)
Tapper may sound tough asking some questions of Jay Carney, but he's shown that he is still a biased libtard. I don't believe for a second that he doesn't vote to create an impression of objectivity. Look at ace's tweets when he was trying to get Tapper to be more aggressive about Fast and Furious questioning.
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 06:59 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 07:00 AM (sGU4F)
Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 07, 2012 07:00 AM (HEa5q)
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2012 07:00 AM (U0ndG)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 07:00 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: palooka at December 07, 2012 07:01 AM (aNlIg)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:01 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Butters at December 07, 2012 07:01 AM (NIZHJ)
Posted by: Hopeless at December 07, 2012 07:01 AM (WFZEf)
Don't forget ABC with the cut 'n paste answers in the Palin interview.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)
>>No, walkers, he doesn't. Not for a;ll torts. He does have to be alive for a defamation suit, though.
Actually, it depends and varies from state to state. At common law, a tort action died ("abated") with the death of the plaintiff. However, many states enacted "survival" statutes which provided that a cause of action possessed by the deceased at the time of his death survived the death, and could be maintained by a personal representative of the decedent's estate.
The practical problem is that once the plaintiff dies, the amount of damages a jury is likely to award plummets, making the settlement value of the case minimal.
Posted by: angler at December 07, 2012 07:01 AM (SwjAj)
Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 07:02 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:02 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 07:02 AM (RDP+N)
Posted by: Fritz at December 07, 2012 07:02 AM (/ZZCn)
You know according to the left this is prima facia evidence of the racism of everyone here.
The support we give Zimmerman, even though he is hispanic and a democrat, is soley based on our prejudice against blacks. So let it be written , so let it be done says the lefty Pharoahs.
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 07:02 AM (m2CN7)
Hey guys, is there any sex and dick jokes on tv tonight?
How about sex? Is there any sex, as well as gay sex, on tv tonight? I am really in the mood for base shitty humor about fat people having sex, and som tit jokes.
If there were more sex on tv, I'd be happy, because I like my humor entirely about sex, be it gay sex. Well, just gay sex. I think jokes about how uptight people are about unprotected anal sex are GREAT!
You know, if we could go back and replace all the great SNLs with Bill Murray being funny with black transgendered people making gay sex jokes, about how fat white people are uptight about it, it would be a good thing.
Posted by: Rev. Dr. Buzz Miller The Shit at December 07, 2012 07:03 AM (ApGOC)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 07, 2012 07:03 AM (Ec6wH)
I was STUNNED when she pulled that stunt in front of the national press, talking about getting justice for Trayvon. Stunned!
Has it occured to you that maybe those people complaining she was too tough might have had a point? How many others besides Zimmerman has she railroaded into jail in furtherance of her own career, with no regard to guilt or innocence?
Posted by: entropy at December 07, 2012 07:03 AM (TULs6)
. Subtract 40% plus expenses for the lawyer and divide it over 10 years. Maybe he wouldn't have had such poor health if he had not been treated so poorly?
Oh, stop. Why would you divide it over years except to cover a poorly thought-out statement. Admit it; you just hadn't looked. He probably ended up with at least a mil in his pocket. That's plenty.
And the dude was the size of a house when he was a broke security guard. After becoming a high roller, you think he started eating healthy?
Sure the stress probably hurt him, but really, he made out OK, and his death wasn't more than tangentially related to the public crucifixion he endured.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 07:03 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: mare at December 07, 2012 07:03 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:03 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 10:54 AM (LpQbZ)
You can sue POTUS. That is how Clinton got the perjury charge in the impeachment.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 07:04 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at December 07, 2012 07:04 AM (Z1eo/)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 07:05 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: and irresolute at December 07, 2012 10:55 AM (DBH1h)
Not in a personal suit. You have to get permission of the gov to sue the gov, but that can be gotten around as well.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 07:05 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 07:05 AM (QupBk)
Who says NBC, Inc. (GE, whatever) gets to keep their broadcast license in perpetuity? Let someone else have a chance at broadcasting on that spectrum...in terms of "fairness"! lol
Btw, my strategy is still to start small and take over local/regional media before trying to buy out GE.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 07, 2012 07:05 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:06 AM (piMMO)
I can't imagine NBC letting a lawyer with the deep pockets of Jim Beasley getting into discovery on this case.
There will either be a quick multi-million dollar settlement or the shit is going to hit the fan big time.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 07:06 AM (ZDsRL)
Normally I'd just let this go, but I can't with this one.
Tell me, which "other media outlets," exactly, "uncovered and exposed" NBC's slander?
Hmm? Which ones?
See, it was mostly blogs and a few right-ish leaning newspapers that hit it first. As I recall, CBS and ABC, along with the major national papers, never even mentioned the situation until after NBC had been forced to retract.
And, no, they're not held to account. Blogs, while growing in popularity and reach, aren't able to challenge the Big Media outlets, yet. If they'd really been held accountable by their peers, they'd already be out of business, because everyone would remember them as the network that deliberately defamed a private citizen.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:06 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:06 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 10:59 AM (GQ8sn)
I wouldn't trust Tapper as far as I could kick his fat ass.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 07, 2012 07:06 AM (UyQvx)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:07 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:07 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:08 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:08 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 07, 2012 07:08 AM (nwAbt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:08 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Joey Biden[/i] at December 07, 2012 07:08 AM (Z1eo/)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:09 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:10 AM (LpQbZ)
News reader Natalie Morales heaped praise on Judd: "She's a brilliant woman....Harvard, I think....she's a U.N. goodwill ambassador, speaks out on HIV/AIDS prevention. And also, you know, she's done so much good for public – public good and she's a great, very smart woman."
NBC's insanity defense.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 07, 2012 07:10 AM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 11:00 AM (e0xKF)
I think it was actually someone else, a private citizen nobody, that found the incorrect address and first tweeted it. Spike Lee saw it and re-tweeted the address. Not sure what happened to the nobody, but Spike Lee's twitter feed was the more visible one that reached many people. He already settled with the poor people living at that address. He should settle with Zimmerman too.
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 07:10 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 07:11 AM (QupBk)
NBC aired that tape after the controversy had really begun. Remember that the shooting had occurred around a month previously, and NBC wasn't the first to run with the story.
So what if they ran with the "public figure" defense against defamation.
And then what if it worked?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:11 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 07, 2012 07:11 AM (n8LUb)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 07:11 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: palooka at December 07, 2012 07:11 AM (aNlIg)
Actually, it depends and varies from state to state. At common law, a tort action died ("abated") with the death of the plaintiff. However, many states enacted "survival" statutes which provided that a cause of action possessed by the deceased at the time of his death survived the death, and could be maintained by a personal representative of the decedent's estate.
You're right about common law, but I'm pretty certain all states have a survival statute for filed cases. That doesn't really vary, and yeah, you usually just substitute the estate & PR for the person in the caption. If you're filing after the death of the plaintiff, that does vary a lot state to state.
So thinking about it, I'm probably incorrect about the case being dismissed b/c of death, since the defamation suit would still be part of the estate. You can't defame an already dead person, but a defamation claim likely doesn't abate on the death of the victim.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 07:11 AM (UaxA0)
I am encourage by Z's attorney saying that this isn't likely to be settled.
Discovery would be a thing to behold. Timelines, quotes, the whole shebang.
This should be a slam dunk. Z could buy Greece...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 07:12 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:12 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:13 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:13 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 07:13 AM (QupBk)
I just did, you sub-sentient. The fact you chose either not to read, or not to comprehend (or, I suppose, to comment on a subject the comprehension of which is beyond your sub-sea-sponge mentality) is on you.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:13 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:14 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 07:14 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: MoeRon at December 07, 2012 07:14 AM (yWDpP)
Meh,
I slept in this morning (against my better judgement) and missed most of yesterday at the HQ (I have too many departments at work, and so am away from my computer for WAAAY to long).
And now EoJ is mentioning something about Pap smears. Someone want to catch me up on WTF is going on here?
Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 07:14 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 07:14 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 07:15 AM (ThczH)
Posted by: Homer Simpson at December 07, 2012 07:15 AM (bbTyq)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:15 AM (LpQbZ)
Allen,
So what if they ran with the "public figure" defense against defamation.
And then what if it worked?
"Actual malice" just means you know it's false. Bob Guccione sued Larry Flynt for saying he lived with his mistress before he was divorced. Guccione didn't, he only moved in with her after the divorce. So even though Guccione was a public figure, and had in fact lived with his mistress, the information about the timing was known to be false and published anyway.
Verdict: Guccione.
link to opinion in sig
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 07:15 AM (UaxA0)
Ace has sleep apnea and is getting a CPAP. Hopefully before all the DME surcharges kick in.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:15 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: PR at December 07, 2012 07:16 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 07:16 AM (XkWWK)
The men were angry, NBC lost.
Posted by: Palm Beach Pooter Hounda2 at December 07, 2012 07:16 AM (ufLRj)
UPDATE: Cat parasite uses 'Trojan horse' to infect human brain, cause suicidal thoughts...
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 07:16 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: NCKate at December 07, 2012 07:17 AM (V1oS8)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 07:17 AM (i0vBR)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 07:17 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Glen at December 07, 2012 07:17 AM (K1CbB)
Posted by: Carol Burnett at December 07, 2012 07:17 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 07:18 AM (XkWWK)
I am encourage by Z's attorney saying that this isn't likely to be settled. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
That just means there aren't enough zeros on the table. Yet.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 07:19 AM (UaxA0)
You'll confuse his poor, retarded paramecium-like brain.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:19 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 07:19 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 07, 2012 07:19 AM (7vSU0)
They can't. People might start to ask uncomfortable questions, such as "if the people at one network are lying to me, are the others as well?".
Posted by: pep at December 07, 2012 07:20 AM (USJNU)
Posted by: Carol Burnett at December 07, 2012 07:20 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: I am mad as hell at December 07, 2012 07:20 AM (Ri5Un)
Posted by: Bob Costas as accidentally edited by NBC at December 07, 2012 07:20 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 07:20 AM (xNsGR)
I don't know. IANAL, but how useful would it be, in the criminal defense, to be able to show a "clear and orchestrated defamation campaign" by NBC (with verdict and all), and then say that the Prosecution was taken in by it (with footage of the "Justice for Trayvon" press conference)?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:20 AM (5DR1j)
People notoriously hate the media. They relish a chance to get back at them for anything.
Hitler could win a judgment against NBC if it went to a jury.
The only question is how many zeros the settlement will be.
Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM
Judges are there to prevent it from going to juries. They know where the big money is, and who knows things that judges do when they thought no one was looking
Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 07:21 AM (wwsoB)
They all say that. By the time they're giving you a sleep study, they're pretty sure it's sleep apnea. In my experience, anyway (I know a lot of people with sleep apnea).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:22 AM (5DR1j)
People notoriously hate the media. They relish a chance to get back at them for anything.
Hitler could win a judgment against NBC if it went to a jury.
The only question is how many zeros the settlement will be.
Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM
My bet is that the judge will decide to throw out the case before he even looks at it.
Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 07:22 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Godfrey Jones at December 07, 2012 07:22 AM (bbTyq)
Posted by: NCKate at December 07, 2012 11:17 AM (V1oS
This lawsuit is a travesty. It is nothing more than a
vindictive, hateful attempt to bring down the great media institution
that brought us the historic first of allowing ordinary Americans to see
the inside of a superstar's colon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (xNsGR)
See, it coulda been worse.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 07, 2012 07:23 AM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: Carol Burnett at December 07, 2012 07:23 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: mrp at December 07, 2012 07:23 AM (HjPtV)
Don't both sides (in a civil trial) have to agree to forgo the jury trial?
My bet is that the judge will decide to throw out the case before he even looks at it.
I highly doubt it. As previously mentioned, some Local/State Judge is not going to give a rip about NBC.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:24 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 07:24 AM (ThczH)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 07, 2012 07:24 AM (j9ONP)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:25 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:26 AM (LpQbZ)
Thans NDH and AllenG,
One day off and this place goes crazy.
Meh, maybe I need to join the Sleep Study club. Lord knows I gots me some exhaustion (hence the 11 hour sleep fest last night.)
Docs already checked my Thyroid levels (they thought it was that, given the not quite obese, but not exactly "good weight" size.)
Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 07:26 AM (GaqMa)
How? Summary judgment? Not a chance. The fact that NCB edited the tape (land later admitted it) creates a triable issue of fact that will have to go to a jury.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 07:26 AM (xNsGR)
Seriously.
Do you Freepers not even bother to read this stuff or do you just put your fingers to the keyboard and let the stupid fly?
Posted by: palooka at December 07, 2012 11:01 AM (aNlIg)
The article is quoting from the complaint; thus, the 'malicious' adjective was provided by Zimmerman's legal team, not from other media outlets. Since mainstream media outlets protect their own, the Washpo article did try to diminish the suit by referring to it as, among other things, 'colorful'. Secondly, we're not Freepers. That's another site, Free Republic--one from which I was permabanned for trolling and excoriating a pack of inbred neo-confederate assholes. Of course, Jim Rob over there had every right to ban me. His site, his perogative.
But enough about me. Let's talk about you, sport. Do you bother to read and just put fingers to keyboard before you let the stupid fly?
Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2012 07:27 AM (vtiE6)
First you call me stupid, then you call me an idiot. Stop quoting me to make your contradictory argument!
Posted by: palooka! at December 07, 2012 07:27 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 07:29 AM (i0vBR)
I did no such thing. To have called you either stupid or an idiot would be a grave insult to stupid people and idiots around the world. As it is, I'm pretty sure the sea sponge and paramecium communities are discussing whether they can sue me for libel.
(yes, I know it's a sock- it was fun)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:30 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 11:17 AM (e0xKF)
--- That would be like picking up a turd by the clean end
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 07, 2012 07:30 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:31 AM (e/Cti)
The ONE TIME I fail to observe the rule about not reading the comments at the HQ while taking a drink...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:31 AM (5DR1j)
I don't know. IANAL, but how useful would it be, in the criminal defense, to be able to show a "clear and orchestrated defamation campaign" by NBC (with verdict and all), and then say that the Prosecution was taken in by it (with footage of the "Justice for Trayvon" press conference)?
I don't think that would be hard to do in this case. Just the picture of a young Tyvek shown alongside the far more recent pic of the "white Hispanic" would be enough to start with. I'd call in several psychologists to prove that in itself was a calculated move on the media's part to subtly manipulate public opinion.
In this day and age, that was the only pic of Tyrone Shoelaces they could find?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 07:31 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:31 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:47 AM (piMMO)
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Not to worry, Beasley is known as a take no prisoners trial lawyer who is accustomed to getting results for his clients.
Mickey Smercootie used to work for him before he became a radio yakker/turncoat conservative. I wonder how much play his former firm's high profile lawsuit will get on his radio show, now that he has to appease Massachusetts libtards.
Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2012 07:32 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Joe Biden, Racially Tolerant MENSA Member and 2016 Presidential Candidate at December 07, 2012 07:33 AM (i0vBR)
first time I heard this
hehePosted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:33 AM (LpQbZ)
In that parallel universe where he has sex with women. Heh.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 07:34 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 07, 2012 07:34 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:35 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 07, 2012 07:35 AM (j9ONP)
If Zimmerman's lawyers have the original transcript and the tape that NBC played it is open and shut. NBC will lose their ass.
THEY.WILL.SETTLE. The only question is how many zeros as someoe said above.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 07:35 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:36 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 07, 2012 07:37 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:39 AM (e/Cti)
The Potus weighed in on this. He said Trayvon could have looked like someone who could have been his son.
What yu talkin' 'bout, Willis?!
Posted by: Malia and Sasha at December 07, 2012 07:40 AM (+v9b3)
Beasley should auction off slots on the discovery team.
Can you imagine having the power to get every note, email and any other communication made by anyone at NBC you can remotely associate with this? How about having the ability to put them under oath and question them?
Jesus, my dick gets stiff just thinking about it.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 07:41 AM (ZDsRL)
I'm going to disagree with others. I don't think this is a question of number of zeroes. I bet it's a question of "no fault" or whatever they call it. I bet NBC wants to claim they never admitted to charges (so they can say, "those charges were never proven" or "those charges were dropped"). With any luck, that will be the breaking point for Zimmerman, too: "Nope, you have to admit what you did. I want the equivalent of a "guilty" plea."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:41 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 07, 2012 07:43 AM (7vSU0)
Is "umpteen bazillion" a number? I think that's what that chickensh*t outfit owes Zimmerman. Bankrupt that propagandizing hellhole of sleaze and anything that touched it.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 07:44 AM (eHIJJ)
She had the study done again almost 15 years later, and golly gee guess what? Severe sleep apnea. Recommending surgery level apnea. But she chose the CPAP route and a bed with the ability to elevate her upper body.
A simple study you can do yourself is to audio/video tape yourself sleeping.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 07:44 AM (ccXZP)
Beasley should auction off slots on the discovery team.
Can you imagine having the power to get every note, email and any other communication made by anyone at NBC you can remotely associate with this? How about having the ability to put them under oath and question them?
Jesus, my dick gets stiff just thinking about it.
So does mine. This is one of those times when I almost wish I was a lawyer.
Almost.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 07:45 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:45 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 07:45 AM (i0vBR)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 07:46 AM (eHIJJ)
I do that all the time!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 07:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Alex has a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 07:47 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 07:47 AM (eHIJJ)
I do that all the time!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
To the Detriment of all mankind, yes, you do,
Posted by: Alex makes a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 07:47 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 11:47 AM (eHIJJ)
Oooh, can i choose where we nuke
Posted by: Alex wants to nuke somebody at December 07, 2012 07:48 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 07:49 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 11:45 AM (yiIja)
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Maybe this will keep that woody going: Beasley heads one of those Philadelphia law firms whose Letterhead causes defendants to stroke out when they are served.
Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2012 07:49 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 07:49 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (/YJYi)
Ooh, yes i did
Posted by: Helen Thomas, naked and being groped by you at December 07, 2012 07:50 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 07:50 AM (ThczH)
I asked this yesterday but was ignore, but who is watching Ace sleep at night???
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (e/Cti)
I DO!!!
Posted by: Helen Thomas is naked at December 07, 2012 07:50 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:51 AM (piMMO)
And imagine he other acts the attorney can present in order to bring their credibility into question.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:51 AM (piMMO)
I don't think one lawsuit can milk them that much, we need a class action lawsuit.
Posted by: Alex of the public school system at December 07, 2012 07:52 AM (uFY4s)
I actually think this is the beginning of a Libertarian revolution/wave.
Demint is Libertarian. Lots of Rand Paul, lately.
Don't laugh, too many of us are disenfranchising ourselves from the GOP.Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 07:52 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 07:53 AM (odv0F)
Kneesaa a Jari Kintaka.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 07:53 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 07, 2012 11:43 AM (80Qb
I actually think this is the beginning of a Libertarian revolution/wave.
Demint is Libertarian. Lots of Rand Paul, lately.
Don't laugh, too many of us are disenfranchising ourselves from the GOP.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:52 AM (LpQbZ)
He is NOT libertarian. Ron Paul is libertarian.
Jim DeMint is a conservative tenther
Posted by: Alex of the public school system at December 07, 2012 07:53 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Spit or swallow? That's all I really want to know. It's for this article that I'm writing for Penthouse.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 07:54 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: weew at December 07, 2012 07:54 AM (o2sGG)
I woke up hard as a rock. Tasty.
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 11:53 AM (odv0F)
You just ruined my life
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 07:54 AM (uFY4s)
Please do. Any and all studios, satellites, antenna, hubs, and personnel emblazoned with NBC are fair game. And if you happen to light up ABC, CBS, CNN, WaPo, NYT, LAT, PBS, well them's the breaks. Go nuts.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 07:54 AM (eHIJJ)
I guess he wants us to forget that he doesn't even use unions labor if he doesn't have to. Unfortunately for him, I remembered. Post up at my place.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:55 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 07:55 AM (GFM2b)
Anyone know how Florida courts handle electronic discovery or discovery in general? NY's standard is "material and necessary" and, yeah, the courts view that expansively. The feds are similar. Don't have a clue how Florida state courts handle it, but i suspect it is similar.
Posted by: Penfold at December 07, 2012 07:55 AM (Fbt5B)
Banhammer, please. Fuck off and die, asshole.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 07:55 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: SCoaMF at December 07, 2012 07:56 AM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Soledad Obrien at December 07, 2012 07:56 AM (ypzqs)
Posted by: clemenza at December 07, 2012 07:56 AM (Q8Pu5)
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 07:56 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 07:57 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 07, 2012 07:57 AM (hNXHo)
I don't think one lawsuit can milk them that much, we need a class action lawsuit.
Why not both? Bankrupt them, bring down NBC and MSNBC (which means no more Tingles or that Rachel Maddow fellow, then maybe we can have some honest reporting for once), to pave the way for a class action suit.
This could be the opportunity we've been waiting for (rubs bony fingers together gleefully). Think Big!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 07:57 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:57 AM (piMMO)
I guess he wants us to forget that he doesn't even use unions labor if he doesn't have to. Unfortunately for him, I remembered. Post up at my place.
Didn't he try to prevent his workers from forming a union
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 07:57 AM (uFY4s)
When did this become a thread about pubic hair?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 07:58 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 07, 2012 07:58 AM (xIRXC)
Posted by: Fresh at December 07, 2012 07:58 AM (O7ksG)
Neither appreciated nor appropriate.
Cleanup indeed.
And please don't quote this kind of stuff. Just link back to the nic and timestamp.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 07:58 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: stressed ette at December 07, 2012 07:58 AM (nqBYe)
I don't think one lawsuit can milk them that much, we need a class action lawsuit.
Why not both? Bankrupt them, bring down NBC and MSNBC (which means no more Tingles or that Rachel Maddow fellow, then maybe we can have some honest reporting for once), to pave the way for a class action suit.
This could be the opportunity we've been waiting for (rubs bony fingers together gleefully). Think Big!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 11:57 AM (yiIja)
Thinking big is causing the class action lawsuit yourself
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 07:59 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 07:59 AM (piMMO)
When did this become a thread about pubic hair?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 11:58 AM (SY2Kh)
The second it was created by the head moron
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 07:59 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 08:00 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 08:00 AM (odv0F)
How about a dedicated one?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (5DR1j)
Even better!
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 08:00 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 08:00 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: stressed ette at December 07, 2012 08:00 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: A. Sharpton at December 07, 2012 08:01 AM (jvd3N)
Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 07, 2012 08:01 AM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:01 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 08:01 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 08:01 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at December 07, 2012 08:02 AM (L4CWX)
He is NOT libertarian. Ron Paul is libertarian.Jim DeMint is a conservative tenther
Posted by: Alex of the public school system at December 07, 2012 11:53 AM (uFY4s)
Will Jim DeMint Bring a Libertarian Flavor to Heritage Foundation?
Nick Gillespie|Dec. 6, 2012 7:18 pm
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/06/will-jim-demint-bring-a-libertarian-flav
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (LpQbZ)
Reason is full of freaks
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 08:02 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 08:03 AM (odv0F)
I do that all the time!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Spit or swallow? That's all I really want to know. It's for this article that I'm writing for Penthouse.
Posted by: GnuBreed
Snowball sweetie! It's skankeriffic!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 08:03 AM (bbTyq)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 08:04 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 12:03 PM (odv0F)
The Zapruder film of JFK's death
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 08:04 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 08:04 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 08:04 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: MattMarket at December 07, 2012 08:05 AM (jjXkD)
I think DeMint is more libertarian than you think.
He is also one of Levin's favorites, who is also Libertarian.
Don't be fooled by a registration.
Again, I think the Libertarians are gaining ground due to the GOP's massive failures.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:04 PM (LpQbZ)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 08:05 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 08:05 AM (odv0F)
I edit commercials for a living - there was a conscious and deliberate action to edit the audio - it wasn't inadvertent or accidental.
This! If anyone has ever used any recording software, this'll be self-evident.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 08:05 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Burney McBurnstein fanning the flames of painful freedom at December 07, 2012 08:06 AM (+wxCD)
Posted by: Average Joe at December 07, 2012 08:06 AM (oYXGc)
Posted by: Rick Scott at December 07, 2012 08:06 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 08:06 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 08:06 AM (odv0F)
Posted by: Vermin at December 07, 2012 08:06 AM (wSc+u)
Not any more than Republican is someone who wants to engage in wars at the least provocation, kill gramma, and kick out anyone with skin that isn't pasty white.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 08:07 AM (5DR1j)
I know Costas does. That's why he wants to ban knives and football.
Posted by: comatus at December 07, 2012 08:07 AM (qaVK+)
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 08:07 AM (uFY4s)
I'm not a lover of the GOPe, but Boehner is doing OK so far. If course we are still in the 'wait and position' stage. The 'cliff' is overstated as far as any immediate impact. A deal can be made much later in 2013 without doing any real damage, though the stock market may gyrate over that.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 07, 2012 08:07 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 12:06 PM (odv0F)
One banhammer coming right up
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 08:07 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 08:07 AM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:08 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 08:09 AM (LpQbZ)
It is best not to copy the full text of banhamerable posts. It just makes the cleanup that much harder and might get you tossed with the trash.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2012 08:10 AM (tf9Ne)
Little "l" libertarians want the government envisioned by the founders. That government is best which governs least. (Thomas Paine)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Hello. We are made of straw. Please do not smoke around us.
Posted by: Libertarians at December 07, 2012 08:11 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 08:11 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:08 PM (piMMO)
In fairness, I think extreme libertarians do trend more towards isolationism than most other groups (except perhaps deranged socialism.)
But it's a natural consequence of wanting a government *that small.* I mean really small, so small that national defense becomes more akin to "turtling in" than the proactive defense we had in the past.
Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 08:11 AM (GaqMa)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:05 PM (uFY4s)
Just like Republicans are for lower taxes...
Small government...
oh wait
I'm sorry, not all Libertarians, just like not all Indies are the same.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:09 PM (LpQbZ)
BIG L LIBERTARIAN PARTY MEMBERS, not people who call themselves that as a result of the perversion of the language here when the better term would be liberal. The Party, not the ideology.
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 08:11 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 08:11 AM (2t6Gz)
Little "l" libertarians want the government envisioned by the founders. That government is best which governs least. (Thomas Paine)
Your first paragraph is not inconsistent with your second.
Posted by: Libertarians at December 07, 2012 08:11 AM (TULs6)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Hello. We are made of straw. Please do not smoke around us.
Posted by: Libertarians at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (TULs6)
Unless its pot man, then smoke all the time. Pot is a miracle drug given from god to be used by humanity man
Posted by: Fellow Big L Libertarian at December 07, 2012 08:12 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Vermin at December 07, 2012 08:12 AM (wSc+u)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:12 AM (piMMO)
I kid you not.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 08:12 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 08:13 AM (LpQbZ)
I usually don't come out into the light of day,
Yet this whole twisted and manipulated yellow journo lynching of Zimmerman has always made me think of........."Test-beds."
Part of a very real and calculated attempt to pick various stories and inject a a very specific Ideological substrate into said story to the point where the Ideological substrate now becomes the "Bedrock" from which all opinion can now be manipulated to support the specific Ideological......ya get where I'm going with this right?
I give you exibit...."A"......or "Tre"........
Posted by: Richard at December 07, 2012 08:13 AM (PJcW2)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 08:14 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:14 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:08 PM (piMMO)
In fairness, I think extreme libertarians do trend more towards isolationism than most other groups (except perhaps deranged socialism.)
But it's a natural consequence of wanting a government *that small.* I mean really small, so small that national defense becomes more akin to "turtling in" than the proactive defense we had in the past.
Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (GaqMa)
I don't want a government that is small, i want one that is effective. Most of the expansion of the federal government during the civil war was Needed and proper, and a small government isn't always the best. We should be advocating for an effective and effecient government.
Posted by: Fellow Big L Libertarian at December 07, 2012 08:14 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 07, 2012 08:14 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:15 AM (piMMO)
No. They'll just link it anyway, and we won't be able to read it because of the pay-wall.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 08:15 AM (5DR1j)
Here's your sign.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 07, 2012 08:16 AM (rzTDZ)
"Wtf was that mess @ 285?"
Just one of the sick fucks that Ace attracts. Personally, I only come to read AllenG's comments. Wish he would get his own blog.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 08:16 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 07, 2012 08:16 AM (cVYiZ)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 08:16 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 12:14 PM (GFM2b)
We should have no quota's but should have an immigration limit of around 3 1% of US population per year
Posted by: Fellow Big L Libertarian at December 07, 2012 08:17 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 08:17 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 07, 2012 08:17 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 08:17 AM (i0vBR)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:17 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 08:17 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 08:18 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Libertarians at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (TULs6)
Of course it is not INconsistence. No government means anarchy. Thomas Pain and the founders did not believe in anarchy.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 08:18 AM (YdQQY)
ttle "l" libertarians want the government envisioned by the founders.
George Washington's diary, August 7, 1765: "began to seperate the Male from
the Female Hemp at Do--rather too late."
Pretty sure coccaine was legal in 1765 too. Possibly prostitution.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 08:18 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:18 AM (piMMO)
might want to kill 346, as well. for the quote
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (LpQbZ)
Why should I be banned?
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 08:18 AM (uFY4s)
See Stephen Harper of Canada, and how he was able, over time (yes, it took time) to debunk, merge, purge two right leaning parties into one pretty successful new party.
End result, he won the election, and he's doing a great job (in a very liberal, right hating country). The country is doing better than most, although the libs won't let him get away with it for long.
We'll see about that.
Posted by: The brain beneath the bad haircut at December 07, 2012 08:19 AM (bbTyq)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 08:19 AM (2t6Gz)
Nurse who was pranked by radio station commits suicide.
http://bit.ly/Vsgf2Z
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (piMMO)
She was Italian?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 08:19 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:20 AM (piMMO)
ttle "l" libertarians want the government envisioned by the founders.
George Washington's diary, August 7, 1765: "began to seperatethe Male from
the Female Hemp at Do--rather too late."
Pretty sure coccaine was legal in 1765 too. Possibly prostitution.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (TULs6)
Cocaine wasn't around then idiot, it was a synthetic invented in Germany in the 1850's
Prostitution needed no laws because people cared about morality, unlike todays amoral Atheists
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 08:20 AM (uFY4s)
Of course it is not INconsistence. No government means anarchy. Thomas Pain and the founders did not believe in anarchy.
Dude, anarchy is not real, any more than 'perfection' is. A direction, not a destination? It's an abstract ideal.
There is no such thing as anarchy (as envisioned by anarchists as a style of non-government, as opposed to just an adjective for chaos and disorder) in practice. It's a rhetorical distinction between anarchists and minarchists. Anarchists are just people who may as well refer to themselves as perfectionists.
In practical terms they want the same thing.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 08:20 AM (TULs6)
Not banned, but they can delete just that comment (I recommend editing to remove the quote instead) just to remove the quote.
As a rule, it is best not to quote comments that need a good banning or cleanup. It's better to refer to them by hash and timestamp. That way the mods know who you're talking about, but you don't cause confusion once the offending comment is deleted.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 08:21 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 08:21 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:04 PM (LpQbZ)
The issue is that there is no real category, save libertarian, for many folks like me.
I'm for rolling back to the origional Consitution and bill of rights (except for slavery).
I'm for a much smaller Government, with almost no INTERNAL US Fed Power.... but am Pro Military (although we are deployed in way too many places currently IMO).
I think its a shame that Fed Taxes are greater than my State Taxes, as its the State that does most of the things that support me as a Citizen (except for Defense)...
So I sure dont fit the GOP (too Statist)....
But... the Libertarian 'brand' has been tainted by BOTH parties and the media... they don't talk to non whacko libertarians... just the extreme ones... and then harp on the 'nutty' position, not the postion that a lot of Americans would agree with.... in an effort to maintian the Power Stranglehold the Status Quo provides for the Two party System....
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 08:21 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:19 PM (2t6Gz)
Mecca is controlled by Saudi Arabia, and for all there faults, they aren't a bastion of Terrorists like Yemen or Palestine
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 08:22 AM (uFY4s)
Not banned, but they can delete just that comment (I recommend editing to remove the quote instead) just to remove the quote.
As a rule, it is best not to quote comments that need a good banning or cleanup. It's better to refer to them by hash and timestamp. That way the mods know who you're talking about, but you don't cause confusion once the offending comment is deleted.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:21 PM (5DR1j)
k, thanks for the advice
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 08:22 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 08:23 AM (QupBk)
One would hope but even a doubling of their voters at the national level gets them to, what, 2%?
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:23 PM (QupBk)
4%, they are at 2%. And, due to the history of the Libertarian party i would rather have a different party take hold. Remember, even the Socialists have gotten at least 4% in an election
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 08:24 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:25 AM (piMMO)
As a rule, it is best not to quote comments that need a good banning or cleanup. It's better to refer to them by hash and timestamp. That way the mods know who you're talking about, but you don't cause confusion once the offending comment is deleted.
This is excellent advice. It's a pain in the ass to go through and edit the comments that contain quoted material that, for obvious reasons, I want off the blog. It is much easier to simply delete those comments too. So if you don't want your stuff deleted, don't quote comments that are obvious banhammer potential.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 07, 2012 08:25 AM (IkTb7)
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (TULs6)
I don't believe they had cocaine in the colonies in 1776. As for the hemp that was for rope, which, among other things, were called "naval stores" then. They were a huge money crop for the colonies.
But you were right about one thing, there were VERY few laws on the books then. But they also had a lot of "unwritten" laws that were enforced by the public.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 08:25 AM (YdQQY)
Like the ones the Libertarian party nominates for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 08:26 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 08:27 AM (2t6Gz)
****
I don't know about the hospital, but agree about the mentaly unstable part.
The DJs carry no blame unless impersonating a royal is a crime.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:25 PM (piMMO)
This is why I think that Homosexuality is linked with other mental disorders, due to the high suicide rate, even in cities like San Fran. Also the high alchoholism rate, the binge drinking, the drug use, the prostitution, and the high domestic abuse rate (higher than in muslim countries)
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 08:27 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:22 PM (uFY4s)
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You're kidding right? Who is funding the terror camps everywhere? The wahabis, or howerver you spell the Saudis special brand of evil.
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:27 PM (2t6Gz)
I doubt it is in the interests of the Royalty, who have enough trouble controlling there country with Western Help as it is.
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 08:27 AM (uFY4s)
406 they don't talk to non whacko libertarians... just the extreme ones...
Like the ones the Libertarian party nominates for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 12:26 PM (T0NGe)
Luap Nor!!!!11!! He's the bestest! No one else can save the country!!!!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 08:27 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:27 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (TULs6)
I don't believe they had cocaine in the colonies in 1776. As for the hemp that was for rope, which, among other things, were called "naval stores" then. They were a huge money crop for the colonies.
But you were right about one thing, there were VERY few laws on the books then. But they also had a lot of "unwritten" laws that were enforced by the public.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 12:25 PM (YdQQY)
Due to the fact that they had morals at the time. Lack of laws did not imply lack of morals
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 08:28 AM (uFY4s)
>>>We ended up leaving that church, ironically it was Presbyterian
>>>Posted by: Sophistahick at December 07, 2012 10:49 AM (UhXz
Welcome to the club. Lots of people left their local Presby church in the past 15 years. I don't understand why some of the libs didn't just become Unitarians or something, rather than insisting on watering down the Presby until it stood for nothing but "hippy Jesus, hatred for the conservative members, and polo shirts"
Posted by: wooga at December 07, 2012 08:29 AM (Ep4mv)
As a rule, it is best not to quote comments that need a good banning or cleanup. It's better to refer to them by hash and timestamp. That way the mods know who you're talking about, but you don't cause confusion once the offending comment is deleted.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
Typical.
Lots of big talk from someone who doesn't even run a blog.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 07, 2012 08:29 AM (bbTyq)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 08:29 AM (i0vBR)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:19 PM (2t6Gz)
Yup.... I think the real libertarian (small L) defense policy is Pro Strong Military... but with a different standard for use....
First... Congress would have to declare war... then using your mobile military, you hit their economic infrastructure, and destroy their military, until they surrender.... then after a VERY short tranisition period... you go home.
If they get Froggy again? and attack you? Rinse... repeat...
But part of the Libertarian position is the idea that people MUST take responsibility for their Government... thus when you wage war, its against the WHOLE country, citizens included.... not just the 'modern' US thing where we can somehow bomb the government , but 'like' the people?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 08:29 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 08:29 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:29 AM (piMMO)
Leading contender for "Allen has a blog?" comment of the day.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 08:30 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 08:30 AM (2t6Gz)
Yup.... I think the real libertarian (small L) defense policy is Pro Strong Military... but with a different standard for use....
First... Congress would have to declare war... then using your mobile military, you hit their economic infrastructure, and destroy their military, until they surrender.... then after a VERY short tranisition period... you go home.
If they get Froggy again? and attack you? Rinse... repeat...
But part of the Libertarian position is the idea that people MUST take responsibility for their Government... thus when you wage war, its against the WHOLE country, citizens included.... not just the 'modern' US thing where we can somehow bomb the government , but 'like' the people?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (lZBBB)
Thomas Jefferson was president when the first unofficial war was fought against the Barbary States
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 08:30 AM (uFY4s)
It's always feast or famine at the HQ.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (QupBk)
Thats absolutely true
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 08:30 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 08:31 AM (piMMO)
Cocaine wasn't around then idiot, it was a synthetic invented in Germany in the 1850's
Whichever drugs were around, they were legal. That's the point.
Prostitution needed no laws because people cared about morality, unlike todays amoral Atheists
OK... that's historically illiterate and stupid. You think they just said no and didn't do it? LOFL.
No really. LOFL.
Check out this wicked secularity: tinyurl.com/aca98mm
Those pervs were sainted.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 08:31 AM (TULs6)
Leading contender for "Allen has a blog?" comment of the day.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:30 PM (5DR1j)
I like your blot Allen. You have a Very nice Bog
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 08:31 AM (uFY4s)
George Washington invented cocaine. He also ate opponents' brains. I saw a YouTube video about it, by Brad Neely.
Posted by: wooga at December 07, 2012 08:31 AM (Ep4mv)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 08:32 AM (QupBk)
Cocaine wasn't around then idiot, it was a synthetic invented in Germany in the 1850's
Whichever drugs were around, they were legal. That's the point.
Prostitution needed no laws because people cared about morality, unlike todays amoral Atheists
OK... that's historically illiterate and stupid. You think they just said no and didn't do it? LOFL.
No really. LOFL.
Check out this wicked secularity: tinyurl.com/aca98mm
Those pervs were sainted.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:31 PM (TULs6)
I never said they were saints, i never said it didn't exist. I said it needed no laws because it was shunned far more than it is today.
Listen to the post you attack before attacking it.
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 08:33 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:24 PM (uFY4s)
Its not going to be the current Libertarian party which gains ground.... it will have to be somthing like Perot's Reform Party.... which did get 15% or so?
Republican brand is tainted by their history, and whats going on in Congress now.... Libertarian brand is tainted by Press and Both partys (just as they have tainted the TEA party into ineffectivness, note, no TEA party rallys in the news the last year or so?)....
But there are a LOT of disaffected folks out there.....
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 08:34 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 08:35 AM (GULKT)
The question is damages.
The link has another link that discusses it. Might be difficult for Zimmerman to claim he suffered greatly as a sole result of the NBC malfeasance after he had already been demonized on every other MSM outlet.
Those weeping over St. Treyvon had characterized Zimmerman as a racist psychopathic murderer well before the NBC broadcast was ever aired.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 08:35 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 08:35 AM (T0NGe)
there were VERY few laws on the books then. But they also had a lot of "unwritten" laws that were enforced by the public.
Yes. Community enforcement of cultural norms reduced the need (real or perceived - I think the former) for a lot of government regulation. That is one reason why I am increasingly convinced that the modern libertarian dream of freedom from both other peoples' morality and from government control is unrealistic.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 08:35 AM (eA3m/)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 08:36 AM (GFM2b)
One would hope but even a doubling of their voters at the national level gets them to, what, 2%?
There are a lot of libertarians that don't vote, because they aren't crazy.
There is a cascade effect like there is with most things. If you could somehow show a libertarian candidate was actually viable, he'd get more than 2%.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 08:36 AM (TULs6)
I guess I am a Conservatarian.
That should be the new party
CONSERVATARIANISM
We make your taxes low so you can buy pot!
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 07, 2012 08:36 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 08:37 AM (e/Cti)
Thomas Jefferson was president when the first unofficial war was fought against the Barbary States
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:30 PM (uFY4s)
Fairly limited Military Operation to rescue Hostages.... no problem with that in my view.... but when you are overthrowing Governments of UN Member States, and 10 year long occupations without any Declaration? Thats not even pretending to follow the Constitution...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 08:38 AM (lZBBB)
I never said they were saints, i never said it didn't exist. I said it needed no laws because it was shunned far more than it is today.Listen to the post you attack before attacking it.
Read the link. Augustine and Thomas both WERE sainted, and both advocated for legal prostitution as the lesser evil.
All that shunning back before the law had the same effect it the law has today - it still happened, it just happened in the shadows, or 2 miles outside town limits.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 08:39 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: wooga at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (Ep4mv)
PCUSA? My grandfather was a minister for them until they threatened to defrock him for telling the laity what the presbytery was saying at the meetings. He went and joined the Presbyterian Church of America instead.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 08:40 AM (eA3m/)
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 08:40 AM (odv0F)
George Washington invented cocaine. He also ate opponents' brains. I saw a YouTube video about it, by Brad Neely.
He also snuck across a river in the dark of night and murdered British soldiers in their sleep on Christmas Eve.
Santa? Santa is that yo- OWWW!
Merry Christmas.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 08:41 AM (TULs6)
Washington, Washington
Six foot eight
Weighs a fucking ton
Opponents beware
Opponents beware
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming
Let me lay it on the line
He had two on the vine
I mean two sets of testicles
So divine
On a horse made of crystal
He patrolled the land
With the mason ring and schnauzer
And his perfect hands
Here comes George
In control
Women dug his snuff
And his gallant stroll
Ate opponents' brains
And invented cocaine
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming
Washington, Washington
Six foot twenty
Fucking killing for fun
Spread, spread
The Delaware
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming
Sue me if I go too fast
But the sons of his opponents
Wished that he was their dad
Got a wig for his wig
Got a brain for his heart
He'll kick you apart
He'll kick you apart
Ooh!
He'll save children
But not the British children
He'll save children
But not the British children
He'll save children
But not the British children
He'll save children
But not the British children
(drum sounds)
He had a pocket full of horses
Fucked the shit out of bears
Threw a knife into heaven
And could kill with a stare
He made love like an eagle
Falling out of the sky
Killed his sensei in a duel
And he never said why
Washington, Washington
Twelve stories high
Made of radiation
The present beware,
The future beware
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming
Did I mention his four nuts?
Well he also had four dicks
If you took off his boot
You'd see the dicks growing off his feet
I heard that motherfucker had like thirty god damn dicks
He once held an opponent's wife's hand
In a jar of acid at a party
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 07, 2012 08:43 AM (RrD4h)
Posted by: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth at December 07, 2012 08:48 AM (Hsgnv)
Besides, the weather is shit and I don't have a new movie for inside.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 08:50 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 09:06 AM (piMMO)
Yes. Community enforcement of cultural norms reduced the need (real or perceived - I think the former) for a lot of government regulation. That is one reason why I am increasingly convinced that the modern libertarian dream of freedom from both other peoples' morality and from government control is unrealistic.
They're the same thing. You're just saying freedom is unrealistic. Economic redistribution is a moral thing, based on the morality of egalitarianism. It's a different and larger group at the federal level, but the same thing.
If you think freedom is unrealistic, I guess you're entitled to your views.
There's 1 major distinction between an amish village and the government - the amish village isn't imperialistic and expansionist. They let Vegas be Vegas over in Vegas, so long as it leaves them alone back.
If you're arguing against drugs and prostitution in your local city hall meeting, guess what, I won't oppose you, because I won't even be there. If I was there, and I didn't like it, I have the option of leaving the town and getting freaky down the street.
Arguing against drugs and prostitution at the federal level is something very different. You're basically just being a shadow government of statists then. If you want to be free you need to leave the village down the way the hell alone, regardless of what moral perversion they foster. Otherwise don't bitch when the Washington D.C. community comes along and 'enforces it's cultural norms' on you from 6000 miles away.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 09:23 AM (TULs6)
Posted by: Markon at December 07, 2012 09:31 AM (sLafu)
Posted by: Eddie Willers at December 07, 2012 10:21 AM (bRdb3)
a) politicians
and
b) the press
Every one else is subject to the law.
Posted by: FrankReality at December 07, 2012 06:55 PM (Bn9It)
Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2012 08:43 AM (cAONf)
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Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 06:25 AM (fWAjv)