July 20, 2013
— Dave in Texas I was sitting on the floor with my eldest kid sister, watching history. My dad worked for Werner von Braun. Dr. von Braun insisted upon the Americanized spelling of his name.
Brown Engineering.
I was nine years old when I watched this. My father had his hand on my shoulder.. a moment we shared that I will never forget.
The whole world was watching.
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It was a mere 66 years from Kitty Hawk to the moon. We live in amazing times.
Also, here's what a 79 year old Air Force pilot does when some asshole calls him a coward and a liar.
God rest Neil Armstrong, who passed last August.
And God rest Gus Grissom, Lt. Col USAF. DFC, Korea. Air Medal w/ cluster for service. Edward White II, Lt Col. USAF. and Roger Chaffee, Lt. Commander USN. These men paved the way with their lives.
And watch your ass around Buzz. He figured out in a pool after his Gemini mission how to walk in space.
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Posted by: mirus visum at July 20, 2013 01:01 PM (TKEES)
Posted by: MostlyRight at July 20, 2013 01:04 PM (w9AQ4)
Posted by: ghost of... at July 20, 2013 01:04 PM (erYRT)
What a bright future this promised.
Now it's Muslim Outreach.
Sigh.
Posted by: Nancy at July 20, 2013 01:05 PM (9DE0K)
Posted by: dantesed at July 20, 2013 01:05 PM (XIawe)
Posted by: Vic at July 20, 2013 01:08 PM (lZvxr)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 20, 2013 01:08 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 01:09 PM (wAng0)
The way I heard the story, there was a cop witnessed the whole thing. The guy turns to the cop and asks if he (the cop) is going to do anything, and the cop's only word was 'no'.
I watched every second of any TV broadcast the networks put on the air. Missed work to do it.
The first landing during the descent the crew reported an 'alarm on radar altimeter', and the instruction from mission control was 'hit reset', seconds later another report from the crew, same alarm, and mission control said 'ignore it'.
I've read since then that the digital circuits that were converting an analog radar signal to a digital display of height above ground couldn't handle the job. The result was an improved integrated circuit that was faster and more powerful, and two iterations later it was the 8080.
Posted by: mirus visum at July 20, 2013 01:11 PM (TKEES)
Posted by: RS at July 20, 2013 01:11 PM (YAGV/)
It could use the six million dollar man slo-mo sound effects.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 20, 2013 01:13 PM (mxtLv)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 20, 2013 01:13 PM (U22Yw)
Posted by: puddleglum at July 20, 2013 01:13 PM (Fep8b)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 01:13 PM (oxIUw)
Posted by: Big Ben at July 20, 2013 01:14 PM (I5Htn)
I was talking to some young people the other day and I realized I have see so many huge steps in my life time. Each generation has them. But I went from my first tv and big old console radio and party lines on phones to computers and I Pods and cell phones. I only wish the space program had grown as fast.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 01:17 PM (0LzlV)
DETROIT!
Posted by: mirus visum at July 20, 2013 01:17 PM (TKEES)
Posted by: brak at July 20, 2013 01:17 PM (RBQss)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 01:18 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 20, 2013 01:19 PM (qRasw)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 01:20 PM (CXoSL)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 20, 2013 01:21 PM (XruKb)
Posted by: toby928© stabs at thee from Hell's heart at July 20, 2013 01:22 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: SarahW at July 20, 2013 01:22 PM (LYwCh)
The men who defeated Hitler in their twenties went on to beat the Russians in space in their forties. US 2. Tyrants Zip.
Now we bilingually argue about how big should be the double digit percentage of the population on welfare.
We could not do today what John Kennedy's America did fifty years ago -- put an American in orbit in an American made spacecraft.
That's what the rich tapestry of "diversity" has gotten us.
We could have stood on the shoulders of those giants and done great things.
We chose poorly.
Posted by: Leichendeiner at July 20, 2013 01:22 PM (u3N3z)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 01:24 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 01:25 PM (eHNxr)
Posted by: EC at July 20, 2013 01:26 PM (EdT+4)
Posted by: Moron of Morgoth at July 20, 2013 01:27 PM (CYS6Q)
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 20, 2013 01:27 PM (NEIxp)
Posted by: Mr_Write at July 20, 2013 01:27 PM (Fn7Hb)
Posted by: FortWorthMike at July 20, 2013 01:29 PM (g7vVd)
Posted by: toby928© stabs at thee from Hell's heart at July 20, 2013 01:29 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 01:29 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2013 01:30 PM (NEIxp)
Lived in amazing times. Past tense.
1969 was an inflection point.
At the same time _Columbia_ and _Eagle_ were setting off on a voyage to the Moon atop a Saturn V, making an enormous noise, a different voyage was beginning on Earth, much more quietly.
That was the campus New Left setting out on their "long march through the institutions" of America, with the intention of capturing those institutions and then after having done so, imposing genuinely radical social change of their own liking.
Both voyages succeeded. The success of the latter meaning that there will never again be the likes of the former.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 20, 2013 01:31 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: MoeRon at July 20, 2013 01:32 PM (80KgL)
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Mine are the same except I would add the end of WWII, even though I was a baby, also the Vietnam War, and the Salk vaccine.
Oh, and even though they aren't United States events my own personal favorites...the deaths of Stalin and Mao. May they rot in hell.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 01:32 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 20, 2013 01:32 PM (5J54Q)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 01:32 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at July 20, 2013 01:33 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 01:34 PM (jucos)
Posted by: MoeRon at July 20, 2013 01:34 PM (80KgL)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2013 01:34 PM (NEIxp)
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Just curious, which boat was it? I'm pretty familiar with most of them, as almost everyone I know sailed at least one season. Good way to make money back in the day.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 01:35 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 01:35 PM (ZPrif)
I was in a day room at Ft Gordon, GA watching the "first step".
Also had the privelage of sitting at the same lunch table with Buzz Aldrin once during an air show. For an hour or so, there was no god but Buzz Aldrin. Very nice, but he does have opinions and he will answer with them when asked. I think the 'rons and 'ettes would like him.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 01:36 PM (RjRg5)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2013 01:36 PM (MBqvE)
I was later privileged enough to work for one of the Apollo veterans at the same manned space flight center. He was Gene Kranz's Judo partner and is written about in Kranz's book Failure is not an option. If you don't know who Gene Kranz is watch the movie Apollo 13.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 01:37 PM (ylhEn)
You have more computational power in your smart phone than NASA had during the Apollo missions. . . and we play 'angry birds' with it. . . and send 'selfie' images of our glorious naked self to our soon to be 'ex' .
Posted by: mirus visum at July 20, 2013 01:37 PM (TKEES)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 01:37 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: MoeRon at July 20, 2013 01:38 PM (80KgL)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 05:34 PM
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Definitely. My family fought against the Stalin-Russians so I have a special contempt for him or any Communists.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 01:38 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 20, 2013 01:38 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 01:38 PM (sdi6R)
We don't necessarily "have something afterwards". Not by any means. Look at examples from recent history.
The 2009 Obama porkulus package added up to an amount of money equal to, in inflation-corrected dollars, the 1950s interstate highway program and the 1960s lunar spaceflight program _combined_.
Can anyone point me to a single example of a durable piece of major infrastructure that was produced since 2009 as a result of all of that huge amount of money Obama blew through? Anything? Anywhere? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Posted by: torquewrench at July 20, 2013 01:39 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 01:39 PM (eHNxr)
Posted by: Leichendeiner at July 20, 2013 05:22 PM (u3N3z)"
We could not do today what John Kennedy's
America did fifty years ago -- put an American in orbit in an American
made spacecraft within the decade.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 20, 2013 01:39 PM (31Nrp)
Posted by: losthusker at July 20, 2013 01:40 PM (ysAKg)
Posted by: logprof at July 20, 2013 01:40 PM (fOFYL)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 01:40 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at July 20, 2013 01:41 PM (fOFYL)
Posted by: Deanna
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Well, I normally only do this once a week, and I did it last night, so theoretically it should be another few days before I do so again, but this seems a special occasion, so..., from Mickey Spillanes "One Lonely Night":
"I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than IÂ’ve ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons-of-bitches who should have died long agoÂ…"
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 20, 2013 01:42 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2013 01:42 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 01:43 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 01:43 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: LoveChildofMaxineWatersandJesseJacksonJr at July 20, 2013 01:43 PM (80KgL)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 01:44 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: torquewrench
Oof! That was a tough one to take on a Saturday.
...damn.
*straightens collar*
*gets off the floor*
*dusts off*
*starts newsletter*
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 01:44 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: FortWorthMike at July 20, 2013 01:45 PM (TLokJ)
I was 20 years old with a 9-month old son in my lap, watching from friends' attic apartment in West Berlin. After the assassinations of MLK and RFK, it was wonderful that we still could produce something so wonderful and inspiring.
I am sill sad that we have left NASA to the talkers and the moochers, while the dreamers and the doers have been exiled.
Posted by: Miss Marple at July 20, 2013 01:45 PM (sZGPz)
Wait. We're talking about lawyers here. Nevermind.Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2013 01:45 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: imp at July 20, 2013 01:46 PM (GOSBh)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 01:46 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 20, 2013 05:42 PM
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Love it! My father never talked about it much but I remember him watching Kruschev on tv, changing the channel, and saying the only good Communist is a dead one.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 01:46 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 01:46 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: MoeRon at July 20, 2013 01:47 PM (80KgL)
Yeah, that, Miss Marple. For a while there it just seemed like it was all coming apart at the seams, with the assassinations. And, yet, I do think it was a better time than this one.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 01:47 PM (8lmkt)
He said the food was fine, but it didn't have much of an atmosphere.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 01:48 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: EROWMER at July 20, 2013 01:49 PM (OONaw)
Walter Mondale's effort to exploit the Apollo 1 fire to kill the moon program is a central plot in an episode of Tom Hanks; HBO mini series, From the Earth to the Moon. Frank Borman faced him down.
Ten years later, Mondale was Vice-President, Apollo was dead, no American had flown in space in two years and would not do so again for another four.
Posted by: Odom at July 20, 2013 01:49 PM (u3N3z)
Posted by: Rep Hank Johnson at July 20, 2013 01:49 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 01:50 PM (jucos)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 01:50 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: jakeman at July 20, 2013 01:50 PM (rW3vF)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 20, 2013 01:50 PM (U22Yw)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 01:52 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 20, 2013 01:53 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 01:53 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 20, 2013 05:50 PM (U22Yw) ----------------
In slow motion?
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 01:53 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 20, 2013 01:54 PM (U22Yw)
Seems like yesterday.....
I remember we had family over to watch it (I was almost 9); my dad was a NASA engineer who had worked on this mission, so he knew all of the things that could go wrong -
Lot of fine people worked together to make this happen - for them, it was just another day at the office (granted, it was a pretty SPECIAL day....).
Godspeed to all of them.
God bless this great nation.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 20, 2013 01:55 PM (ADnWI)
Posted by: logprof at July 20, 2013 01:55 PM (fOFYL)
Posted by: Peaches
I'm quite well, ma'am. Thanks for asking! I just wish I was there for the Moon Landing. I had the Space Shuttle, so that counts, right?
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 01:55 PM (lq3Ak)
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Okay! It was all US Steel boats here too. The Clark, the Voorhees, the Irvin, the Anderson, the Cason J Callaway, etc. Have pics at the Soo and my Uncle was a Hulett operator too, he secretly gave me a ride in it once. My dad used to quiz me on knowing all the smokestacks for each company.
Thank goodness they all retired before US Steel flopped.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 01:56 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2013 01:56 PM (QupBk)
You had to have television to watch Armstrong on the lunar surface, but we saw Sputnik through my dad's telescope.
Amazing: we were all eager for the USA to get the hell into space after Nik the K launched that first satellite, and were overjoyed when not that many years later, we laid some whoop-ass on the Russkies in space.
I would never have thought this country would sink so far in the years since. All that engineering genius, sheer imagination and bravery could only make the world better, we thought. But when you have America-hating Choom Boy running things, nothing is impossible, I guess.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2013 01:58 PM (/RIVS)
Posted by: YIKES! at July 20, 2013 01:58 PM (mETGQ)
God bless this great nation."
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX
*Huzzah!*
*raises beer*
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 01:58 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 05:55 PM (lq3Ak)
the one that blew up and killed my neighbor's sister Krista? cause that was a pretty bad day . . .
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 01:58 PM (8lmkt)
Back then you could set a course ahead and damn the flanks. Now you have to worry about getting nibbled to death by ducks.
Posted by: Trainer's looking to join a Militia. at July 20, 2013 01:58 PM (7EbAY)
I see from a quick check that it is available on Kindle. My local library has a copy so I got to read it for free. I'll give it 3 stars as a pretty good read.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 20, 2013 01:58 PM (cHZB7)
holy crap, MrScribbler, that is SO epically cool that you did that!!!
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 01:59 PM (8lmkt)
How did you receive a television signal at sea in 1969?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 20, 2013 01:59 PM (mxtLv)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 01:59 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 05:56 PM (0LzlV) --------------------------------
The Irvin is now a museum in Duluth. I went to the North Shore of Lake Superior a lot as a kid. Loved the Shipping activity in the ports of Duluth and Superior. We used to tour ore boats and grain ships. The grain ships were from all over the world. Seeing sailors from all over the world was pretty cool for a little kid from MN.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 02:00 PM (jucos)
The next day I got stung bad by a bumble bee going up the bell bottoms of my britches. I lost those britches pretty lickity split. I was sicker than a dog for two days in the hospital, but dad gave me the greatest compliment ever. He said, "What you did was brave, especially in the compound, shredding your drawers and all, and then told me one day I could, if I wanted become a jet pilot." I was 10.
Wow, what a memory.
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 02:00 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: MoeRon at July 20, 2013 02:01 PM (80KgL)
Posted by: Uber Nerds Of the 60's at July 20, 2013 02:01 PM (mETGQ)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 05:52 PM (z4WKX)
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Nope. He was a punk gangsta' wannabe. He would have ended up killing someone and/or spending most of his adult life in prison on my dime. I am not sorry that he's dead.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 02:02 PM (RjRg5)
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 02:03 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 02:03 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 05:59 PM
My dad had lots of interests, Peaches. He would drag us out for anything and everything historic, even though we kids didn't always know what the hell it was all about.
Got to see a predawn nuke test-firing (from a considerable distance) in Nevada once, too. Strangest thing EVER.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2013 02:03 PM (/RIVS)
that is super-sad, Flatbush, and all too fuckin' common, which makes it even sadder.
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 06:03 PM (fM4kr)
LOVED your wall of text, jem. Great story!!!
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:05 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:06 PM (ZPrif)
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There's a coal boat I think it is, the Mather, that is a floating museum in Cleveland. I want to take my grandkids because they haven't really seen one up close. There just aren't that many coming into port where they live, not like there used to be.
As for grain, guys told me about how they would take ore up to Welland and unload. Then on the way back, hose down the hold and load at Nabisco in Buffalo and all the rats they saw running down the chutes. It was years before I ate anything made by Nabisco
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 02:06 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: Empire1 at July 20, 2013 02:07 PM (ZRKx1)
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 02:07 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: FortWorthMike at July 20, 2013 02:07 PM (4z+35)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 02:08 PM (ZshNr)
Was in the day room of the 93d OC company at Benning. We were too junior to be allowed in there otherwise.
Was said that when Aldrin traveled to VN with Bob Hope, he got a 30-min standing O. The Brotherhood knows its own.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at July 20, 2013 02:09 PM (dmbXR)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 06:06 PM (ZPrif)
I know your mom treasured it, Flatbush. Maybe didn't wear it a lot, but I know it was one of her most treasured possessions.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:10 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: The Crew of Capricorn One at July 20, 2013 02:11 PM (dKV5k)
72 I really don't consider the advancement of technology a "great" event. Inventing the telephone and radio and tv, yes. But not the computer stuff.
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 05:39 PM (eHNxr)
Are you kidding me? I am in awe of all that the "computer stuff" has allowed us to do!
And I am sure that a yet-to-be-invented technology will one day make it seem like nothing special. We can't even begin to imagine what that might be.
Because of computers, humans who are alive today have more information at their fingertips than the richest man alive a mere 100 years ago had access to - we have more than any king could have dreamed of.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 20, 2013 02:12 PM (ADnWI)
Posted by: Peaches
No, ma'am. I wasn't aware and I apologize for bringing up such devastating memories. That most certainly wasn't my intent.
I merely lamenting the fact that I couldn't be there for the Moon Landing, but I'd observed the first launch of the Space Shuttle at the tender age of ten. I was in high school when that tragic even occurred and can only hope that the words of friends, family and Ronald Reagan were there to comfort you, as they were for me.
I'm so sorry to have opened that wound and I hope you'll forgive me.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 02:13 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 02:13 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:13 PM (8lmkt)
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I'll bet you have some great pics. Unfortunately many of ours disappeared. My dad helped dismantle some of the old wooden stuff from boats way back when. Believe it or not, he had a wooden hatch cover he used for a work bench. The thing was huge. Lots of people got cabinets, and a few were lucky enough to get steering wheels.
I
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 02:14 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 20, 2013 02:14 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: rplat at July 20, 2013 02:15 PM (U/Ao5)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:15 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: MoeRon at July 20, 2013 02:15 PM (80KgL)
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 06:13 PM (lq3Ak)
Oh, gosh, sweetie, there's nothing to apologize for and nothing to forgive. It was so crazy that her sister lived next door to me. Betsy, with the thickest NE accent ever, I loved hearing her talk. She eventually broke up with Angie, who owned the house, and found herself a keeper girl and they had a little boy a few years back. Her sister died doing what she wanted to and it was something very few ever got to do.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:16 PM (8lmkt)
We're all used (or at least resigned) to having shit-tons of objects orbiting the earth. It was awe-inspiring and more than a little scary to have this one little sphere doing that for the first time.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2013 02:16 PM (/RIVS)
It was a mere 66 years from Kitty Hawk to the moon. We live in amazing times.
The momentum for whatever greatness weÂ’re experiencing today was provided by the thrust of stage rockets that have fallen away. The traditions and institutions that made the Kitty Hawk-to-the-Moon possible have been pretty much jettisoned. It will be interesting to see how long the forward motion lasts.
Posted by: CJ at July 20, 2013 02:17 PM (9G+G5)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 20, 2013 06:12 PM (ADnWI)
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Yeah, but look where we are as a nation. Look at the shape the world is in right now. I readily trade off all of today's technology for the American pride we had prior to Lyndon Johnson.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 02:17 PM (RjRg5)
http://www.clavius.org/
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at July 20, 2013 02:17 PM (2vl2+)
I'll give one example of the sort of problems faced. There is a phenomenon in rocketry called "Pogo Vibration". It is called that because the rocket engine looks like it is on a pogo stick when it occurs. This was a problem which wasn't solved until after the Apollo 13 flight; which had one of its second stage engines shut down by the on board computers just before it destroyed itself.
What made Pogo Vibration such a tough problem to solve was that nobody could get an engine on a test stand to vibrate that way - yet when they put that same engine in an actual rocket it might go crazy. Pogo vibration caused several of the 1950's big rockets to blow up. The engineers knew it was a problem which is why the Saturn V had sensors hooked up to the flight computers to sense when it was happening.
The fact that the vibration only occurred in actual rockets was the clue to solving it. What was going on was this: when the rocket engine caused the ship to accelerate the fuel in the pipes feeding the engine from the fuel pumps would get heavier. The extra weight of the fuel forced more of it into the engine; causing the thrust of the engine to go up - which caused the weight of the fuel to increase even more - causing the thrust to go up even higher etc. However the fuel pumps could only supply so much fuel per second to the pipes and this would cause the pipes to empty; which cut the thrust of the engine - the fuel was now lighter which caused the thrust to be cut even more etc. until the pumps could fill the lines and then the whole cycle would repeat.
Once the engineers figured out what was going on they were able to come up with some fixes.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 02:17 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: FortWorthMike at July 20, 2013 02:18 PM (t0hSy)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 02:20 PM (s+8Vv)
That's a load off my mind. As a strange "aside", my English teacher was amongst the final ten to board that Ride to God's Glory.
We talked about it, in class, for what seemed like forever; the rest of that school year.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 02:20 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:20 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 02:20 PM (jucos)
Back then you could set a course ahead and damn the flanks. Now you have to worry about getting nibbled to death by ducks.
Posted by: Trainer's looking to join a Militia. at July 20, 2013 05:58 PM (7EbAY)"
Squid? I was Army EOD so I had Chemical at Ft.McClellan and Conventional at Indian Head but none of the underwater stuff.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 20, 2013 02:20 PM (31Nrp)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 02:21 PM (C0ttM)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 20, 2013 02:21 PM (4XER9)
We talked about it, in class, for what seemed like forever; the rest of that school year.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 06:20 PM (lq3Ak)
Wow, that is so cool!!! You should never stop talking about it. Sadly, it appears that America's glory days are over.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:21 PM (8lmkt)
126 Pocket liner: Check
Slide rule: Check
Coffee and cigarettes: Check
Lets go to the moon.
Posted by: Uber Nerds Of the 60's at July 20, 2013 06:01 PM (mETGQ)
You forgot the black horn-rimmed glasses (with the white tape holding the bridge together).....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 20, 2013 02:21 PM (ADnWI)
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2013 06:16 PM
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I read somewhere that Telstar, not sure 1 or 2, is still in orbit. Probably the only satellite to have a song about it. LOL
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 02:22 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, whose son looks nothing like Trayvon at July 20, 2013 02:22 PM (2yQ6H)
Posted by: FortWorthMike at July 20, 2013 02:22 PM (uAcgi)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 02:24 PM (uaJ2E)
http://www.clavius.org/
Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at July 20, 2013 06:17 PM (2vl2+)
My boss, the Apollo veteran, once told me "I can't say we did go to the moon, but what I personally know is that I tracked a radio signal all the way to the moon with the Antenna on the roof of this building and that signal sent back the tv pictures that everyone saw - because we saw them a split second before mission control did."
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 02:24 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 06:20 PM (jucos)
Dang, everybody has such cool stories for this. Truck, is that the one they just brought to California last year? That occasioned the biggest display of civic pride I have seen in this city perhaps ever. Very moving, very exciting.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:24 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 02:24 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Empire1 at July 20, 2013 02:24 PM (ZRKx1)
There was a photography blog site I used to drop in on every now and then. One day the guy apparently snapped (read: showed his true Luap Nor colors) and went on a week long binge on how the moon landing was faked.
His "proof" was his supposed knowledge of photographic lighting, and photos showing reflections, lack of reflections, etc.
There's a brilliant video by a well known film maker that debunks all of this (photo evidence) crap - I almost sent this clown the link.
But then I realized it's the same as the Trayvon supporters - he has no desire to know the truth or see proof that otherwise counters his demented beliefs. It was easier to never go to the site again and let him wallow in his idiot juices.
Thanks for the link though - this looks like fun!
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 02:24 PM (pgQxn)
Godspeed to the memories of folks who worked the Apollo, Gemini and Mercury programs. This was real courage and determination.
Posted by: dissent555 at July 20, 2013 02:25 PM (yR6A1)
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 06:22 PM
Now I have that "tune" on autoplay in my head.
Must have been about '63 or '64 when it came out....
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2013 02:26 PM (/RIVS)
http://www.stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:26 PM (8lmkt)
Once the engineers figured out what was going on they were able to come up with some fixes.
Posted by: An Observation at July 20, 2013 06:17 PM (ylhEn)
Water Hammer. Back in the late 80's when I was an engineer working on space station, we had a contract engineer who told us about working on that problem
Posted by: phreshone at July 20, 2013 02:26 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 20, 2013 02:27 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2013 02:27 PM (QupBk)
Apropos of this post and the Sidebar item about the F1, I lived about 25 miles from Red Stone back in those days and when they would test the SaturnV first stage there, the ground would noticeably shake at my house. I think the most awe inspiring sight of that era was the night launch of Apollo 17. 7.5 million pounds of thrust rose up like a new Sun.
When Mommy Dearest got transferred to Redstone Arsenal after Brookley Field was shut down in the mid-60's, we lived about 6 or 7 miles from the test stand. The first time I heard them fire one of those F-1 engines, it shook the windows and the pictures on the wall.
I wondered if Huntsville had ever had an earthquake before.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 20, 2013 02:27 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 02:27 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 06:17 PM (RjRg5)
That pride is still there.
Maybe not in our leaders (and shame on them for that), but it's certainly out there.
I saw that firsthand when we went to a Rangers game a couple of weeks ago - everyone singing the Star-Spangled Banner and God Bless America; renewed my faith in my fellow countrymen.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 20, 2013 02:28 PM (ADnWI)
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 02:28 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2013 02:29 PM (NEIxp)
Damn whippersnappers! Always messing with an old geezer's memories!
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2013 02:29 PM (/RIVS)
Posted by: FortWortMike at July 20, 2013 02:29 PM (uAcgi)
This was before they had computers to simulate WTF not having a tail section was going to do to flight characteristics - "we think it'll fly, but who knows?".
And climb in and fly them they did. And come back and say "that's a scary ass damn plane" and get back in it the following week and try it out again.
Test pilots/Astronauts have more balls in their hangnails...
And then there's TFG.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 02:29 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:29 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Congress at July 20, 2013 02:30 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 02:31 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 02:32 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2013 02:32 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 20, 2013 02:32 PM (pUqSw)
Posted by: huerfano at July 20, 2013 02:32 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 06:24 PM (8lmkt)
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I am not sure if the Endeavour ended up in CA. Watching it lift off from about 2 miles away just took your breath away. The roar and the light was intense. One of the coolest moments of my life.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 02:33 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 20, 2013 02:33 PM (E/Bc5)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:33 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 06:27 PM (lq3Ak)
I hope you're right, Slap, I really do. Not sure it'll bounce back in my lifetime, though. And (hangs head in shame), believe it or not, my fluffy is still a virgin. grrrrrrr.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:33 PM (8lmkt)
Must have been about '63 or '64 when it came out....
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 20, 2013 06:26 PM
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Yeah I think so. Look at it this way...it could have been Walter Brennan singing some song about John Glenn. I reall hearing it on the local country station. LOL
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 02:33 PM (0LzlV)
I fondly remember the moon landing. My stepfather, Lolo, drew a circle in the dirt to represent the moon outside of our hut in Indonesia. As we sat down for a nice dinner of boiled dog and bat shit curry, Lolo regaled us with the moon landing story as he drew a line in the dirt near the hole in the ground that served as our toilet.
See, my upbringing was just as American as yours. Seriously you guys.
Posted by: Barry Hussein Ogabe at July 20, 2013 02:35 PM (GgPam)
Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2013 02:35 PM (QupBk)
I was thinking along these lines this very morning. But in my case, I was thinking that if you want to use government money to stimulate the economy, you should just spend it on subsidizing domestic energy production and use. It would be a lot more effective and simpler than trying to out-think the invisible hand.
Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2013 06:27 PM (QupBk)
They don't even need to subsidize it, they just need to get the fuck out of the way.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 20, 2013 06:29 PM (NEIxp)"
This!!!
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 20, 2013 02:35 PM (31Nrp)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 06:24 PM (uaJ2E)
And yet, it is (was).
Stop and think for a minute about all of the things that you can do with that simple rectangle of plastic and metal.
Now think about what it would take to access all of the things that you use it for every day if you didn't have that little device.
It is a marvel of engineering and imagination.
Perhaps that is our problem - we are so used to the "wonder" of it all that we take things like that for granted.
But the iPhone is a HUGE invention.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 20, 2013 02:35 PM (ADnWI)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 20, 2013 06:28 PM (ADnWI)
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It's one of the reasons you'll see me comment time and time again how grateful I am to live in the southern plains. I think we're one of the last large bastions of this nation that know what being an American is.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 02:36 PM (RjRg5)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 02:36 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 02:36 PM (ZshNr)
So she was only half right.
That also means she was around for Gorgeous George and Captain Lou Albano.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 02:37 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:37 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: CDR M at July 20, 2013 02:37 PM (dKV5k)
That also means she was around for Gorgeous George and Captain Lou Albano.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 06:37 PM (pgQxn)
Don't forget Chief Jay Strongbow
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 02:38 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 06:33 PM (8lmkt)
May it be soon; for you. It'll feel good to Unsheathe that Hammer and Let Slip the Dogs of War!
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 02:39 PM (lq3Ak)
Fucking douchebag.
Posted by: Fritz at July 20, 2013 02:39 PM (bWoh5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0n9nzTKTJs Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 06:36 PM
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OMG, I never thought it would even be on the internet let alone a video. What a hoot.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 02:39 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 02:40 PM (sdi6R)
We're totally jaded. What would you have though if somebody told you just 10 years ago that you'd have a Dick Tracy video phone on a tiny little device so you could face-to-face skype somebody - as well as have something that's as powerful as your current desktop?
You'd probably think it was possible as far as things have gone - but still think it would be a stretch. We've gotten to the point where we wouldn't wear a Dick Tracy watch because it was too bulky and only did video.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 02:40 PM (pgQxn)
My grandma thought the moon landing was fake and pro wrestling was real. She was alive for Wright Bros and Apollo.
So she was only half right.
That also means she was around for Gorgeous George and Captain Lou Albano.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 06:37 PM (pgQxn)
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My older brother thought pro-wrestling back then was real and I would keep laughing at him because I knew it wasn't. We even had a fist fight over it once.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 02:40 PM (RjRg5)
Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2013 02:40 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 02:41 PM (z4WKX)
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Or Hans Schmidt.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 02:42 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 02:43 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 02:44 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: MoeRon at July 20, 2013 02:44 PM (80KgL)
He was one bad-ass mofo - He got jobbed by Mr. Fuji and Tanaka.
God, I'd LOVE to see some of those things now. I remember staying up way too late to watch that stuff - that was entertainment.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 02:44 PM (pgQxn)
This was before they had computers to simulate WTF not having a tail section was going to do to flight characteristics - "we think it'll fly, but who knows?".
And climb in and fly them they did. And come back and say "that's a scary ass damn plane" and get back in it the following week and try it out again.
Test pilots/Astronauts have more balls in their hangnails...
And then there's TFG.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 06:29 PM (pgQxn)
My Dad, after her 'retired' from the U.S.A.F., and I use that because he didn't get out of the Air Force, he was a test pilot. Safe landed an F-111, that he was testing. The automatic ejection seat didn't release and sent him up a mile above the canopy he had already opened. Long story short, broke both his legs and his back. They didn't expect him to live. His hair went from, flaming red to white in just a day. Then the hair turned slowly to soft brown. But gawd dayum that shit came back to haunt him. He was 49 when he passed. But I couldn't be prouder of him and his service to what used to be this Country.
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 02:44 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 02:44 PM (jucos)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 06:36 PM
We had John Glenn as our proud Senator form Ohio (D). He'd look like a fapping (R) today, unfortunately.
Don't get me wrong, his politics were often a mix between Lindsay Graham and Marco Rubio, but he'd be an (R).
...sadly.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 02:44 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:45 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Weew at July 20, 2013 02:45 PM (EKQk0)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 02:45 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 20, 2013 02:46 PM (E/Bc5)
So I had to do something with all the computing power at my fingertips that is greater than what Apollo had. Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 06:43 PM
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My Mom loved Walter Brennan, hey someone had to, so I'm surprised she never bought the record.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 02:46 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, RIP Alex Teves at July 20, 2013 02:46 PM (8JJ6O)
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 06:36 PM (RjRg5)
The blue disease keeps spreading. It's only a matter of time.
Posted by: CDR M at July 20, 2013 06:37 PM (dKV5k)"
It is still worthwhile to read Whittaker Chambers' book "Witness" which was written in 1952 when Josef Stalin was still alive. He wrote that book in the expectation that by leaving communism he was joining the losing side but after being a communist for years he saw the evil of it and he saw it as his duty to fight it even if he thought they would win in the end.
It helps sometimes to remember how bleak things looked to him and how the Cold War ended.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 20, 2013 02:46 PM (31Nrp)
Well lets put it this way - one of them told me that one of the training films they watched in that building - back in the early 70's was Deep Throat - which after all does have shots of a Saturn V moon launch in it.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 02:46 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 06:43 PM (sdi6R)
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I heard one engineer who worked on the Apollo project say that a 1980's electronic calculator had more computing power than they had on Apollo 11 that day.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 02:47 PM (RjRg5)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 02:47 PM (jucos)
Posted by: CDR M at July 20, 2013 02:48 PM (dKV5k)
I remember watching that guy almost juggling these bowling pin type things - except they weighed 75lbs. He made it look like they were Styrofoam.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 02:48 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: EROWMER at July 20, 2013 02:48 PM (OONaw)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 02:48 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 20, 2013 02:48 PM (E/Bc5)
Dammit, jem. God bless you and your family. There are still plenty of people who honor the sacrifice your dad made.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:48 PM (8lmkt)
I wish they still had it. Then maybe Harry Reid would have a regular job.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 02:49 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 02:49 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 06:45 PM (z4WKX)
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A town pancake supper followed by donkey basketball.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 02:49 PM (RjRg5)
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It's The Epic Ride of John H. Glenn.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 02:50 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 20, 2013 02:50 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:50 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 06:44 PM (fM4kr)
Cool story. One of the many unsung heroes this once great country has produced. He had to have balls of steel. Our Flight at SOS had a Captain who investigated the rash of F-111 crashes in the late 70s early 80s. They found out the pilots would freak out and take the plane off of autopilot when then were flying at tree top level. Big mistake.
Posted by: Ammo Dump at July 20, 2013 02:50 PM (GgPam)
Posted by: eman at July 20, 2013 02:50 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:51 PM (ZPrif)
I watched that landing, too. I was thirteen. I built a lunar module model and parked it on a lunar landscape I made out of about 40lbs of plaster of paris for a school project that year.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 02:52 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2013 02:52 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 02:52 PM (jucos)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2013 02:52 PM (pUAXu)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 02:53 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Picric at July 20, 2013 02:53 PM (ndX7g)
High speed rail?
Posted by: EC at July 20, 2013 05:26 PM (EdT+4)
Dyson Sphere
Posted by: Jean at July 20, 2013 02:53 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 02:54 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Joey Biden at July 20, 2013 02:54 PM (GgPam)
Sorry folks."
Posted by: jem
I'll read that "wall of text", (as it were), over and over again, darlin'. That kind of beautiful stuff is the durable Fabric of America.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 02:54 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:54 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: \m/ The Political Mosh \m/ at July 20, 2013 02:54 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:55 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Anachronda at July 20, 2013 02:55 PM (U82Km)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at July 20, 2013 02:56 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 02:56 PM (ZPrif)
osted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 05:38 PM (sdi6R)
I was 9, and my dad bought our first color t.v. one week before. My mom, dad, brother and I watched in awe, and then tried to take pictures of the t.v. screen to capture the moment. A beautiful summer night. I looked up at the moon the next night and couldn't believe someone had been up there.Posted by: LASue at July 20, 2013 02:57 PM (gjIQF)
Thanks for that! I needed a good laugh.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 02:57 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: Major Dundee at July 20, 2013 02:57 PM (BTguA)
Posted by: LASue at July 20, 2013 06:57 PM (gjIQF)
That was the craziest part, LASue!!! You'd go out and look up and think, srsly, there are people there??? It was mind-boggling. Still kinda is, imho.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 02:58 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: \m/ The Political Mosh \m/
I'll vouch for that, as a veteran of at least twenty of them. I had ONE bad experience and there was retribution in the end.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 02:58 PM (lq3Ak)
Dammit, jem. God bless you and your family. There are still plenty of people who honor the sacrifice your dad made.
Awwwwwww, Dammit, Peaches! Cut that shit out!, but thank ya! He did what he loved, and died loving what he did! And Dad was a goodun', no doubt about it! He would drink a toast to all still fighting the good fight and encourage us to "Carry On".
His motto was, " Live Hard, Die Young, Leave a good looking corpse, and Bury Me Face down, so the whole world can kiss my fuckin' ass! In the name of your Country!"
Pretty appropriate, wouldn't ya say?
So hell yeah, carry on Gal Friend!
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 02:59 PM (fM4kr)
Me- "You okay?"
Him- "Yea, why?"
He looks more like he participated in the caber toss at the Highland Games. And he was the caber.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 02:59 PM (4Mv1T)
In downtown Sanford right now... everything has returned to normal... the press and agitators have all left.
Weew, saunter over to Park Av, walk in The Alley Blues and have a beer for me. I opened that place and have been playing there for years, including last Saturday night when the verdict came down.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 20, 2013 03:00 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2013 03:00 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: toby928© at July 20, 2013 06:07 PM (QupBk)
I am so stealing that quote.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 03:01 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 20, 2013 03:01 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Tobacco Road
I used to think of it as "weird" back in the salad years. My buddy then asked me why I played backyard football, and I had no answer.
...mosh pits.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:01 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2013 03:02 PM (+98Gb)
Hey, BBoy!! I would give a lot to go to one of your gigs and get all drunk and stupidheaded and dance and taunt the menfolk. I can actually still get away with that in a dark bar, lol!
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:03 PM (8lmkt)
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Probably not.
He was a supporting actor in lots of Westerns and starred on TV in a comedy The real McCoys. He did win 3 Oscars as a supporting actor though. I remember him as always being old with a hitch in his walk.
Posted by: Deanna at July 20, 2013 03:04 PM (0LzlV)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 03:05 PM (ZshNr)
We crapped on the shoulders of giants.
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Sorry. There's no collective "we" here. Maybe you crapped on them or people that didn't appreciate what they did, but don't you dare include me in that.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 03:05 PM (RjRg5)
...mosh pits.
Posted by: Slapweasel
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The last time I played tackle football in the backyard I was 17. I remember it well, and I also remember fist fights that ended better than that last football game.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 03:08 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: major tom at July 20, 2013 03:10 PM (V+Pei)
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You're a part of society or you live in a cave. It's our culture, our society, and we haven't stopped it.
If it's not up to us, then who?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 03:10 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:11 PM (z4WKX)
He actually was sort of a good looking guy back in uh, the 30's.
I last remember him as Pa Danby in Support Your Local Sheriff.
He had a pretty distinct voice.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 03:11 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: Retread at July 20, 2013 03:11 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: Ammo Dump at July 20, 2013 06:50 PM (GgPam)
I don't know what he had balls of steel, Ammo, but he did in my eyes. I pressed him a bit on the "safe landing crash" and he told me that no one had actually DOCUMENTED the crashes, and as he didn't want to go into flying the flat table, he was willing to try and figure it out. His life was flying fighters. Korea and Nam. He wasn't willing to another career route. He did what he did, because he loved it. I admire him for that.
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 03:11 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: major tom at July 20, 2013 07:10 PM (V+Pei)
surely you are not talking about the "Muslim outreach" now, are you? 
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:11 PM (8lmkt)
***
Oh, if only.
OK, I'll bite. What could Obuttsex possibly have in common with Armstrong?
Posted by: cool arrow at July 20, 2013 03:12 PM (WMsq+)
Posted by: tmitsss at July 20, 2013 03:12 PM (aVsJj)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 07:11 PM (z4WKX)
If Trayvon were a spineless pussy, maybe. {Hi, Trudy . . . yes, I'm still on the list, gfy}
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:13 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Tobacco Road
I was twenty-two the last time I played backyard football. We rarely had fistfights,(broken up QUICKLY), but there was shoving and PRO-hits to be had.
We would always ask anyone, before they played: "You're not going to be a pussy when you get hit, right?"
"Late hits" were taken care of by "the boys" QUICKLY! *push* -knock that shit off *push* -you hear that? *push* -you got it?
That stuff messed up both my knees and probably my brain. Risk? Yup. Reward? ...wouldn't trade those days For The World.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:13 PM (lq3Ak)
Hey, BBoy!! I would give a lot to go to one of your gigs and get all drunk and stupidheaded and dance and taunt the menfolk. I can actually still get away with that in a dark bar, lol!
Awww, Peaches. That'd be a night I'd never forget and you'd never remember.
I still wish we could have a MoMee down here. Too bad the FL Moron Brigade is so spread out.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 20, 2013 03:13 PM (0HooB)
I am happy for you!Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2013 03:14 PM (4+PCd)
I'll never forget that day.
Mom and Dad picked us up from our annual 2-week stint at Good Counsel Camp. We were feeling pretty resentful by then, because they had gone to the Bahamas while we were stuck in the sweltering Florida summer heat.
Then they said they had a surprise for us.
We drove to the east coast and spent the night in Cocoa Beach. The next day we went to Cape Kennedy (what it was called back then) and watched the moon landing on the TVs there.
It was Dad's 36th birthday.He was proud and happy that he could bring his family to witness such a momentous event in history, and would frequently talk about it in subsequent years. He would remind those who wished him a happy birthday that he was fortunate to share his day with such an important date in United States history. And that brave, daring men like Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Michael Collins were, like our Founding Fathers, the kind of people who helped made America great. (He hated Kennedy, though).
He would be terribly distressed at how quickly the country has deteriorated with, what he termed Obama, "that Marxist thug in the White House."
He also couldn't stand Boehner, Cantor, McCain (especially) and Miss Lindsey, calling them "backstabbers and weasels with no backbone."
His modern-day heroes were Reagan, Thatcher, William Buckley (for National Review and "God and Man at Yale" among other things), Palin, and Mark Levin.
Dad died April 4th 2011. He would have been 80 years old today.
I will always associate my patriotic father with "The Eagle Has Landed."
Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2013 03:14 PM (zFUKI)
Somewhere in an old box I have a picture- maybe a Polaroid - taken when John Glenn had his parade in New York City. My artist DH had his studio on E 50th (or was it 51st? - long time ago) and we and his studio mate leaned out the third floor window as the motorcade passed along the street. The picture is a view into his open car and if IIRC about all it's possible to see of Glenn is the top of his head. :-)
Posted by: soggybottom at July 20, 2013 03:14 PM (kn2PH)
Posted by: ouffda at July 20, 2013 03:15 PM (E2Zz9)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:15 PM (8lmkt)
Ooh! I'll guess!
Neil forgot to flush back in 1961?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 03:16 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: barbara stanwyck at July 20, 2013 03:16 PM (V+Pei)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2013 03:16 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: soothie at July 20, 2013 03:17 PM (/eLjI)
"Backwards Boy, youÕre in Florida?"
Some kinda espanol.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 03:18 PM (4Mv1T)
My condolences, Marybeth. He sounds like a helluva guy. {{{{{}}}}}
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:18 PM (8lmkt)
It's sad and amazing at how far down we've gone in just 2 years. Your Dad would be heartbroken.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 03:19 PM (pgQxn)
I will always associate my patriotic father with "The Eagle Has Landed." "
Posted by: Marybeth
God Bless You for relating that memory. God Bless your father's memory. God rest his soul.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:19 PM (lq3Ak)
Backwards Boy, youÕre in Florida?
Yes Ma'am. Just north of the House of Mouse, almost to Sanford. Where you be?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 20, 2013 03:19 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:19 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Agnes at July 20, 2013 03:19 PM (wPEIy)
Posted by: DAve at July 20, 2013 03:20 PM (albkL)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
So you must have seen it more than once.
Posted by: Retread at July 20, 2013 03:21 PM (Oz+LZ)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 20, 2013 03:21 PM (XIxXP)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 03:22 PM (sdi6R)
If it's not up to us, then who?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 07:10 PM (4Mv1T)
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The only power I've had and presently have is my vote. I've never voted for the shitweasels that have done this to my country's heritage. And I'm going to do my best to avert the fucking disaster that I know is coming from the RNC for 2016.
Until the ferver for more direct action becomes reality I'll work and share with as many as possible the greatness of this country and "some" of it's people, while at the same time supporting representatives with similar views of this nation. So don't talk to me about societal this or societal that. I reject much of what's going on right now in this "society" by not participating in it.
I have not and will not crap on the men and women who made so many sacrifices to preserve that which is American.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 03:22 PM (RjRg5)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:22 PM (z4WKX)
Hey, BBoy!! I would give a lot to go to one of your gigs and get all drunk and stupidheaded and dance and taunt the menfolk. I can actually still get away with that in a dark bar, lol!
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 07:03 PM (8lmkt)
Hahaha! If i wasn't in fuck'n naww yawk, I'd join ya! We could get our "hell raisen' on gal!
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 03:22 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 20, 2013 03:23 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: rickl at July 20, 2013 03:24 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:25 PM (z4WKX)
I will always associate my patriotic father with "The Eagle Has Landed."
Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2013 07:14 PM (zFUKI)
Blessings and many memories, Marybeth. We are lucky to have had such great Daddy's. I miss mine every day (he died in 2009).
I am grateful he did not live to see the mess Baroque had made, as he was a WWII Marine... this is what breaks my heart: the elderly having to put up with this crap. As well as my young sons and unborn future grandchildren.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is glad they are boycotting Floriduh at July 20, 2013 03:26 PM (baL2B)
Your father and that post? That kind of beautiful stuff is the Durable Fabric of America.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 07:06 PM (lq3Ak)
Um, yeah. If only the Durable Fabric of America was still around.
Thank you Slapweasel, very kind, and true, of you to say.
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 03:27 PM (fM4kr)
Whazzap roonz and roonettez!
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:27 PM (iMIJs)
Heroics, my man. Heroics.
It's all about Colonel Barry McBragg's heroic self-reference. Whether it's speechifying or an obituary, Barry needs to remind himself, and you, that he is the greatest fucking man to have existed.
When Mandela eventual kicks, Barry will elevate Nelson onto a level that Barry is one step away from achieving, and it will be Mandela's inspiration that will drive him to excel and exceed beyond.
In case you didn't know, Barry has a Nobel Prize.
Posted by: Fritz at July 20, 2013 03:28 PM (bWoh5)
...these Heroes with balls of steel; and the stories spawned thereof, remind me that I'm allergic to panty-waste, unpatriotic, sociopathic, holier-than-thou, power-hungry, anal-retentive, asinine douchebags.
-thank you
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:30 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:30 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: major tom at July 20, 2013 07:10 PM (V+Pei)
So still part of national identity then?
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 03:31 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 20, 2013 03:32 PM (+98Gb)
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I think the reference of "we" as in "we crapped on the shoulders of..." didn't necessarily mean "you", or "me".
But it did mean "us". If we are a country, then we are "us".
I helped a black woman with a flat tire today. I expect she didn't vote for who I did, or who you did. But she was taking the same licensing exam as me and trying to make a living after being a probation officer and factory worker and not liking the people she worked around. She had one college grad kid, and one that's an idiot. Same as me. Her husband is a disabled vet.
I am pretty sure her politics are different than mine, but I enjoyed being a part of "us" today. Even if it was 95 outside when I changed her tire. That's "participating in society". No?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 03:32 PM (4Mv1T)
Nature's first green is gold, Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leaf's a flower; But only so an hour. Then leaf subsides to leaf. So Eden sank to grief, So dawn goes down to day. Nothing gold can stay.
Posted by: DAve at July 20, 2013 03:33 PM (albkL)
Posted by: Fritz at July 20, 2013 07:28 PM (bWoh5)
Yup, he's right up there in the pantheon, right alongside Jimmy Carter, Yasser Arafat and Al Gore.
I'm thinkin' maybe one of my cats will get it next time. Or maybe one of their turds.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:33 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton
Nice! That's the first aircraft, with which, I fell in love. God Bless America, Sir!
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:34 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: AmishDude at July 20, 2013 03:34 PM (xSegX)
Nice, TR. You are the finest kind of moron!
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:35 PM (8lmkt)
Marybeth, that is a wonderful moving remembrance! Thank you
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 03:36 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: DAve at July 20, 2013 03:36 PM (albkL)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton
Nice! That's the first aircraft, with which, I fell in love. God Bless America, Sir!
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 07:34 PM (lq3Ak)
Hey, me too! F-14A's off of the old Forrestal, then F-14D's at Pax River, then on to the Hornet.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:37 PM (iMIJs)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 03:38 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:39 PM (iMIJs)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:39 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:40 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: thunderb
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I'm looking forward to seeing that one. I watched "Red" three times.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 03:40 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:41 PM (iMIJs)
Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2013 03:41 PM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 03:42 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 03:42 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter
Love the Hornet, but my next love was the Warthog. I felt a little "Dungeons and Dragons" about it. I went from the swift, swept-wing, elite beauty to the "Hearty Dwarven Bad-Ass".
...now? Everything is one form of thief/assassin hybrid... lol.
I'm such a fargin' geek.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:43 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:45 PM (z4WKX)
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*Gasps* *Chokes*
*makes the same face as the Russian agent when Willis tells him his cousin isn't dead, but he flipped him, and he weighs 500 lbs and owns a chain of 7-11s*
How can this be? It's even better??
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 03:45 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 03:45 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2013 03:45 PM (GwLJQ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 20, 2013 03:45 PM (ZshNr)
Why did it do so bad on opening?
Did people forget the first one that quickly?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 03:46 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:46 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: thunderb at July 20, 2013 03:47 PM (UIu6p)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2013 07:45 PM (GwLJQ)
AV-A, AFTA (yeah yeah) and AVI-C7.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:47 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 07:32 PM (4Mv1T)
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There are three societies in America right now. The evidence of that is overwhelming. Those that love this country, those that don't care one way or the other, and the ones who hate everything American. It's why the conficts we're having now are becoming so bitter that violence over them is no longer out of the question. A clash of societies, so to speak.
As for you're actions? Whether you realize it or not, you're not doing the things you do because of "society". You changed that woman's tire because it was the right thing to do. A Godly principle, so to speak. Which is in another catagory altogether.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 03:48 PM (RjRg5)
Good Lord, Tammy, I didn't think your home could sound any more like heaven and then you posted that. Srsly, I should just kill myself right now . . . {{{{{}}}}}
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:50 PM (8lmkt)
As we turned onto our street, there was a dead spotted fawn. Ruined the evening.
Of course, my husband pointed out to me he had baby goat as his entree. Which was supposed to make me feel better.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 20, 2013 03:50 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 07:48 PM (RjRg5)
"If you can't do something smart, do something right."
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:50 PM (dBZ/f)
Nyet. Red has Bruce Willis, Helen Mirren, Morgan Freeman, Richard Dreyfuss, John Malchovich, some funny hot chick, some stud assassin dude... and other memorable actors who's names escape me.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 03:50 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter
LMAO! No SHIT, right? What a tank-hammering piece of hardware with a Dragon's skin. Slo-n'-Lo with Thunder. My kinda' bird, man!
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:51 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:51 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 03:52 PM (9HoO6)
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Is it not one heartwarming piece of hardware?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 03:52 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2013 07:45 PM (GwLJQ)
AV-A, AFTA (yeah yeah) and AVI-C7.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 07:47 PM (dBZ/f)
male bonding of the moron variety gives me such a tingle . . . half the reason our country was ever great is guys like y'all. (the other half being women like the 'ettes,
)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:53 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:53 PM (z4WKX)
I think Walter Brennan was in Rio Grande with the Duke. The old guy locked inside the jailhouse...always cracking wise.
He was also in Red River with J. Wayne and that one guy...... that one guy that was in Suddenly Last Summer and The Heiress..... I think.
Posted by: Come to Egypt, see the Pyramids...and stay forever in an unmarked grave at July 20, 2013 03:53 PM (qLeRe)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:53 PM (dBZ/f)
I don't know, but I haven't heard about it since GW1, early nineties.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:54 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 03:54 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 07:52 PM (9HoO6)
Oh, dang, the rain on the metal roof. You ever read any James Lee Burke? If you haven't, girl, this is probably the best advice I've ever given anyone, just run and get some of his books. He's on the bayou in Louisiana, but you might relate.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:55 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 03:55 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at July 20, 2013 03:55 PM (DoZD+)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:56 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 03:56 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: Tony253 at July 20, 2013 03:57 PM (3yMFT)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2013 07:54 PM (x1L8S)
Even smaller when you narrow it down a bit.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:57 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 03:57 PM (lL1xY)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 03:57 PM (9HoO6)
Carol, it breaks my heart that that is actually "good" news. I've been praying like a mad thing for your bro ever since you put this out there and it has been quite a while and, well, just, prayers up for your brother. I can't believe how hard this must be for him, it's gotta be agonizing. {{{{{}}}}}
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 03:58 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 07:51 PM (lq3Ak)
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And to think. When that bird first came on the scene, no self-respecting fighter pilot wanted to fly them. How times change.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2013 03:58 PM (RjRg5)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter
Beauty of a Helo. Here's the replacement, coming soon:
http://tinyurl.com/ke9no9d
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 03:59 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 07:57 PM (lL1xY)
Better they are all sunk in the Mariana Trench than suffer such an indignity.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 03:59 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2013 04:01 PM (x1L8S)
I am a true conservative in both politics and religion.
Nevertheless, I am tired of being pissed off every single day. I have a business to run, two kids to raise, and a God who expects more of me than I have been willing to give him lately.
Here's what's important, as it was told to me in my right ear by no one I could see, while I sat in my church's sanctuary waiting on my wife and kids in August 1998.
"Follow me, and everything else will be okay."
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 04:02 PM (4Mv1T)
I have not and will not crap on the men and women who made so many sacrifices to preserve that which is American.
Posted by: Soona
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I think the reference of "we" as in "we crapped on the shoulders of..." didn't necessarily mean "you", or "me".
But it did mean "us". If we are a country, then we are "us".
I helped a black woman with a flat tire today. I expect she didn't vote for who I did, or who you did. But she was taking the same licensing exam as me and trying to make a living after being a probation officer and factory worker and not liking the people she worked around. She had one college grad kid, and one that's an idiot. Same as me. Her husband is a disabled vet.
I am pretty sure her politics are different than mine, but I enjoyed being a part of "us" today. Even if it was 95 outside when I changed her tire. That's "participating in society". No?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 07:32 PM (4Mv1T)"
Good for you.
At one time I felt like you do. Hell, I was willing to die for both "us" and "US". That feeling of connection ended last November. Now this is just a place I live. We used to be part of the same tribe. Now it is like a bunch of strangers at a bus station. One of the interesting consequences of my changed attitude is that I am no longer as concerned about immigration. My principal problem with it before was that importing millions of low skilled workers made life more difficult for low skilled native born Americans. Now that my emotional ties to people just because they are Americans are pretty well broken, I just don't give a fuck. In fact, I prefer Mexicans, Mexican culture, Mexican music, Mexican food and Mexican attitudes to blacks, black culture, black music, black food and black attitudes. Without the "us" connection, personal preference is all that is left.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 20, 2013 04:02 PM (31Nrp)
http://tinyurl.com/ke9no9d
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 07:59 PM (lq3Ak)
And it has a Longbow...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:02 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 07:39 PM (iMIJs)
LOL! But by gawd someone had to do it, don't ya think>
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 04:03 PM (fM4kr)
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 07:57 PM (lL1xY)
If THAT happens, I start putting dormant skills to use and we're going to be watering the Tree of Liberty.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:03 PM (lq3Ak)
I wonder how long before DHS has their own A-10's?
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 07:57 PM (lL1xY)
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Oh. What a wonderful idea. I must write it down.
Posted by: Fat Trudy at NSA at July 20, 2013 04:03 PM (RjRg5)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 07:51 PM (dBZ/f)
The last time I checked the Marines still fly it. Hard to come up with a more bad ass close support chopper than that one. Saw one in VN with a 20mm Vulcan Gatling machine cannon in place of the rocket launcher.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 04:04 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 04:04 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter
I think you mean "compound bow"... lol.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:05 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 08:03 PM (fM4kr)
LOL, yep, but I was content with staying on the ground and fixing the damn things for them. They sure looked like they were having fun...most of the time...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:05 PM (dBZ/f)
Still envious y'all got so many neat toys I never had.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 20, 2013 04:08 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 08:03 PM (fM4kr)
...and as I said previously, your Father was an absolute credit to These Great United States of America.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:09 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: irongrampa at July 20, 2013 08:08 PM (SAMxH)
I'm kinda envious of the toys you have now.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:10 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 08:09 PM (lq3Ak)
Seconded.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:10 PM (dBZ/f)
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 20, 2013 04:12 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Ed Anger at July 20, 2013 04:12 PM (tOkJB)
Within five years, we threw away the stars to fund the welfare state.
Posted by: another fapping moron at July 20, 2013 04:12 PM (EV3Uf)
Carol, if you haven't told him about the moron horde prayer circle that's pulling for him, I hope you will. I've had one friend and one baby of a friend of a friend beat the crap out of cancer and I attribute it primarily to the prayer power of the horde and their circle of friends. Tell him he's got a lot of love flowing his way, at the very least.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:13 PM (8lmkt)
Speaking of DHS getting A-10's, it's not all that far-fetched since they already seem to have acquired drones.
And what if they painted a picture of Helen Thomas on their drones and named them "Predator Crones". Now there's a scary thought for ya.
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 04:13 PM (lL1xY)
Still envious y'all got so many neat toys I never had."
Posted by: irongrampa
Sir, I hope I'm not making anyone here believe that I was ever part of that armed services. I'm just a geek from Ohio, whose overblown sense of joy for this country overtakes him, at times.
I'm a civilian peon who didn't have THE BALLS to join the Navy when I had the chance. They called me nearly every week for over a year back in 1989, just because I sound as enthusiastic as I am. I also got 98% on that stupid test they had.
I made a mistake, not joining the service. I sort of regret it to this day, but I won't allow envy to douse my enthusiasm for this great country.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:15 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 04:16 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 04:16 PM (9HoO6)
Predator Crones- I like it. Could paint her face on the side like a P-40.
***
And have a loud recording saying "Caw! Caw!" as it circles and searches and....Strikes.
Kind of like the sirens on German Stukas....
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 04:18 PM (lL1xY)
Carol, your father and mine sound like they would have gotten along great.
Dad was in the Army and National Guard.
Thank you all for your kind words.
This has been a very hard day, remembering Dad. How he would have loved to have celebrated his 80th birthday, surrounded by his family and friends.
Hell, it's been a hard week. Mom died 19 years ago Wednesday.
Our daughter called today; she said she's been in a fog all week thinking about and missing her Nana & Grandpa.
She's only 28; it continually amazes me what a powerful influence my mother had on her this many years later. She followed in her Nana's footsteps and became an RN.
Our son came home to visit for the weekend; he and I talked about his Grandpa for a long time today. He was Dad's first grandson; they were very close and our son was devastated when he died. He is now following in his Grandpa's footsteps and becoming a CPA (3rd generation).
What a tribute to both of my parents. It brings tears to my eyes.
Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2013 04:18 PM (zFUKI)
Posted by: Craig Poe at July 20, 2013 04:19 PM (BVkEs)
An A10 is to tanks what that wasp is to Tarantulas. I'm sure when enemy tank crew men hear the sound of that 30 mm gun firing depleted Uranium rounds at 75 per second they freeze up the same way the spider does; a tank has no defense against an A10.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 04:19 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 04:19 PM (9HoO6)
...just a little bit.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:20 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 04:20 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 08:03 PM (fM4kr)
LOL, yep, but I was content with staying on the ground and fixing the damn things for them. They sure looked like they were having fun...most of the time...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 08:05 PM (dBZ/f)
My dad once got reprimanded for *cough* fraternizing *cough* with the enlisted. LOL...Imagine that if ya can. He promptly told the 'BOARD'...this..."My life is in their fucking hands."..and pretty much told 'em (the board) to fuck off. Did it enhance his promotions?...hell no, and he continued to 'fraternize'. Said they were his best of friends. They saved his skin many times as a pilot.
Posted by: jem at July 20, 2013 04:23 PM (fM4kr)
*ducks and runs*
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 08:19 PM (9HoO6)
Oh, you are so bad, Miss Tammy! Just when I think I can't love you more . . .
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:23 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 04:23 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2013 04:23 PM (zFUKI)
An A10 is to tanks what that wasp is to Tarantulas. I'm sure when enemy tank crew men hear the sound of that 30 mm gun firing depleted Uranium rounds at 75 per second they freeze up the same way the spider does; a tank has no defense against an A10.
***
IIRC the USAF was going to retire the A-10 prior to the first Gulf War. Delayed the decision once Schwarzkoff started screaming for every A-10 in the inventory.
What I though was fucked up was that the AF would rather retire the bird than give it to Army Aviation - who already had the attack helo franchise. A-10 was the perfect ground/close air support weapon but the Af guys didn't think it was sexy. And parochialism kept them from giving it to the Army - the infantry be damned.
Pretty stoopid if you ask me. But then again I was a grunt so I guess that makes me biased.
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 04:24 PM (lL1xY)
Posted by: Berserker at July 20, 2013 04:24 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 04:24 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:24 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: T. at July 20, 2013 04:25 PM (hU5+q)
HaHa!
I'm certainly not dedicated to any branch of Our Military, ma'am. I'm glowingly proud of all of them. Your silliness is, indeed, appreciated!
I got over being a "Cop-WannaBe" at age twenty-five when I opened my own business. ...A Tanning Salon.
...my penis still thanks me. My balls don't.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:25 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 20, 2013 08:23 PM (RUw+I)
If thats the case, somewhere out there is a circle of klingons howling at the sky.
Posted by: Berserker at July 20, 2013 04:25 PM (FMbng)
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Is THAT what we're calling now?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 04:25 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 04:26 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 08:24 PM (9HoO6)
Well, that's great and all, and I'm sure GGE just went missing by sheer coincidence.
I guess it still holds true . . . if you're gonna be bad, be really good at it.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:27 PM (8lmkt)
Strikes me that those who wait--the wives and families-- deserve to be honored in the same manner our troops are.
Yet you seldom hear them mentioned. I honor them the same as any active member.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 20, 2013 04:29 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 08:24 PM (9HoO6)
*throws beach balls at Tammy*
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:29 PM (mEJkS)
it would scare the f*ck outta the kiddies
Posted by: Albie Damned at July 20, 2013 04:30 PM (Yhu4q)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 20, 2013 04:30 PM (FjJko)
Yet you seldom hear them mentioned. I honor them the same as any active member."
Posted by: irongrampa
*Salutes*
You, Sir, are correct.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:30 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: CDR M at July 20, 2013 04:30 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: irongrampa at July 20, 2013 08:29 PM (SAMxH)
Tough job. I had one that couldn't handle it and one that could.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:31 PM (mEJkS)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
That's retartit, surrrrr
Posted by: Jeantel at July 20, 2013 04:32 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2013 04:32 PM (4SoZB)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at July 20, 2013 04:32 PM (+KfUs)
Posted by: Obama at July 20, 2013 04:33 PM (dKV5k)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
absolutely! when confronted with a form that requires me to specify, I identify my race as "human." not a whole lot to discuss once you go there, eh?
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:33 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: CDR M at July 20, 2013 08:30 PM (dKV5k)
I was in Miramar for F-14D school when the NOW gang or some of their fellow travelers set up a gauntlet to get on and off base in protest of Tailhook. A whole bunch of us went back and forth through the line, I went through it three times at least before they figured out what we were doing. It pissed them off so bad they just left.
Yeah, that helo pilot? Stationed at Pax River same time as I was.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:35 PM (mEJkS)
Hey Bers!
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 04:35 PM (9HoO6)
Pretty stoopid if you ask me. But then again I was a grunt so I guess that makes me biased.
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 08:24 PM (lL1xY)
The USAF didn't want to retire the A-10, but they wanted to get funds for the program from the Army. While I was in HQ USAFE it worked like a charm as the Army always found money in their budget to transfer to the USAF for the A-10 program.
Posted by: Ammo Dump at July 20, 2013 04:35 PM (GgPam)
"Shouldn't this thread be an honest discussion about race or something?"
***
Yeah, but the Indy 500 was back in May, wasn't it?
Posted by: LGoPs at July 20, 2013 04:35 PM (lL1xY)
Posted by: Lord Marshall at July 20, 2013 04:35 PM (Jsiw/)
Posted by: Peaches
If I got that response on one of my applications, I would think you're some sort of Liberal Dissenter", and I'd wonder if I should ever call you.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:36 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 08:24 PM (8lmkt)
Peaches, I feel honored to be in such company. You all are terrific.
And as my husband said, if you all can make me laugh today, being on this blog is well worth the time.
Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2013 04:37 PM (zFUKI)
Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 20, 2013 04:38 PM (6rcHp)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:38 PM (iMIJs)
I do miss military aviation..... And the guys I worked and flew with. But mostly the guys I worked and flew with. Seems like we all pulled for the same result. Its not lime that in the corporate world.
I think the Mo-Ron Horde is a lot like military aviation. We're all so diverse and yet we all pull for the same result.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 20, 2013 04:39 PM (32Scy)
Idiots. Posted by: Pug Mahon
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You saw the video I hope. Buzz had your grandpa's back.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 04:39 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Ammo Dump at July 20, 2013 04:39 PM (GgPam)
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 08:36 PM (lq3Ak)
don't call me, i'll call you . . .
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:40 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 04:41 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 04:43 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Big Daddy1964 at July 20, 2013 08:42 PM (SsP73)
That's hot!
Posted by: Ammo Dump at July 20, 2013 04:44 PM (GgPam)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 04:44 PM (9HoO6)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:45 PM (8uYkT)
And the moon still had fewer craters than her face.
I de
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 20, 2013 04:45 PM (pgQxn)
Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2013 04:45 PM (zFUKI)
Carol, you're right to make a lot of "noise" at medical facilities where your loved ones are.
It reminds the staff that your brother is a person, with a family who cares about him.
And you most certainly do.
God bless you for your devotion to him. Will continue to pray for his recovery.
Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2013 04:50 PM (zFUKI)
Funny, I never knew that for a long time.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at July 20, 2013 08:45 PM (4Mv1T)
They didn't talk a whole lot about their missions, that generation, TR. It just wasn't done. I know very little about my dad's service in WWII, but more in the last decade than I ever did.
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:50 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 04:52 PM (z4WKX)
I don't know why, but I can't stop singing
♪ Honey Comb's big...Yeah Yeah Yeah!
It's not small...No No No! ♪
over and over and over...
Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2013 04:52 PM (Y4TdB)
Didn't know my Dad until I was near 6 years old. He was busy being an NCO in a line outfit, wound up at Guadalcanal.
Once I stopped being afraid of him,I loved him. He was,and still is,my role model.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 20, 2013 04:52 PM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Berserker at July 20, 2013 08:25 PM (FMbng)
You owe me a new keyboard.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at July 20, 2013 04:52 PM (ylhEn)
An A10 is to tanks what that wasp is to Tarantulas. I'm sure when enemy tank crew men hear the sound of that 30 mm gun firing depleted Uranium rounds at 75 per second they freeze up the same way the spider does; a tank has no defense against an A10.
Posted by: An Observation at July 20, 2013 08:19 PM (ylhEn)"
Tanks are seldom deployed alone. When in a column or formation they will often have tracked ADA with them carrying either missiles or guns. That is why the A 10 often has a whole bunch of Hellfire missiles mounted on the wings. They can actually designate a bunch of targets ahead of time and then ripple fire them so that each missile goes after the target that was selected.
What that means is that the first indication that they are being hunted by an A 10 is not the sound of the GAU-8 firing but all their air defense vehicles exploding at the same time.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 20, 2013 04:53 PM (31Nrp)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2013 08:52 PM (Y4TdB)
SHUT!!!
UP!!!
*bangs head on table*
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at July 20, 2013 04:53 PM (8uYkT)
Posted by: Buzzion at July 20, 2013 04:54 PM (4SoZB)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
Not only is it my specific honor to talk to you and folks like you, but I haven't shed as many tears for anything, let alone genuine, upstanding, God-Fearing, silly individuals, such as yourself ...and the rest of 'em, Sir.
I've never been honored enough to be around as many ladies who aren't "wimminz"; whose path is clear, direct, honorable, silly and yet "stompy".
You're a moron, CoJ. Thank you.
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 04:54 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at July 20, 2013 04:54 PM (dw+X/)
Posted by: irongrampa at July 20, 2013 08:52 PM (SAMxH)
I bet he loved you like nobody's business, irongrampa. I know I do . . .
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:54 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 04:57 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 04:57 PM (9HoO6)
My
Ass
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment
Muscles
Are
Required
Intelligence
Not
Essential
Posted by: another fapping moron at July 20, 2013 04:58 PM (EV3Uf)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 04:59 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 05:00 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 05:01 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: another fapping moron at July 20, 2013 05:03 PM (EV3Uf)
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 08:50 PM (8lmkt)
So true, Peaches.
My grandpa was injured by shrapnel in the Battle of the Bulge and had 2 Purple Hearts. His hand always looked like it was at an awkward angle when hanging down by his side After he died, I found out from my grandmother the shrapnel had gone into his head too. But he never talked about it, or the Battle itself, and I certainly never asked him about either.
Now I wish I had.
Posted by: Marybeth at July 20, 2013 05:03 PM (zFUKI)
And Thor told me he did go as far as talking to a Navy recruiter once, so there's that. Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 20, 2013 05:06 PM (9HoO6)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ivVJzGgcq0
Posted by: Peaches at July 20, 2013 05:06 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: CarolT at July 20, 2013 05:07 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Bill H at July 20, 2013 05:11 PM (3sZO1)
I will ask Him to assuage the fear and ill-felt emotion of a moment, an afternoon, another day.
May Our Lord give you the strength to continue your blessed work. Our prayers will be behind you and I'll pray you find comfort surrounds you.
I'll pray comfort surrounds your dear brother.
May love invade your soul so joyously that you inadvertently knock an unimportant tube out of a vein.
-In Jesus' Name I Pray
...Amen
Posted by: Slapweasel at July 20, 2013 05:12 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Steve Hoffelt at July 20, 2013 05:15 PM (ZUq7c)
Looks as if our heat wave is gonna break tomorrow just in time to hit the County Fair. Love me some fair food once a year.
Mostly it's so fun to cruise the 4H displays and see what the kids raised. THERE is America, people. NOT the mall or the streets. This is our country and it's ideals.
And I love it.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 20, 2013 05:16 PM (SAMxH)
"That's one small step for man..." And in through the windows, scattered at first but growing, you could hear the cheers and applause from the other families in the other bungalows up and down the street....
Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 20, 2013 06:36 PM (qvify)
Posted by: Gingy at July 20, 2013 06:49 PM (aH+zP)
Too bad I was -13 years old at the time and couldn't witness it. Unfortunately we have a country that doesn't believe in truly great things any more.
Posted by: chris at July 20, 2013 09:53 PM (LWiW8)
Posted by: Odom at July 21, 2013 04:13 AM (u3N3z)
If your father worked for von Braun, you should get a couple of things right.
It's Wernher, not Werner. He never changed the spelling of his name.
He used the Americanized pronunciation of his first name (Wer-ner, not Vehr-ner) and kept the German pronunciation of his last name (Brown, not Brawn).
Posted by: JD at July 21, 2013 08:15 PM (8xH8E)
i don't think i realized until years later how difficult the landing was...it could easily have wound up badly, but it didn't.
Posted by: lurking lurker what lurks at July 22, 2013 02:32 PM (axyqu)
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