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November 04, 2013

Ugh: Dutch Group Creates Virtual 10-Year-Old Pedophile Lure Named "Sweetie;"
Gets Requests from 1000 Men All Over The World For Sex Acts Over Ten Weeks
— Ace

I'm actually a little surprised anyone fell for this. "Sweetie" looks fake.

Eh. Maybe the low-res nature of the webcam masks the falseness of the virtual lure.

I'm putting up this post as a change-of-pace. Then we'll finish off with more Obamacare.

Â— An international children's rights group said on Monday it had passed details of 1,000 alleged Internet sex offenders to Interpolafter trawling video chatrooms with the aid of a computer-generated 10-year-old Filipina 'girl' named Sweetie.
...
The largest contingents of named suspects on the dossier came from the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, Germany, Turkey, Italy and the Netherlands. In all, the charity identified suspects in 71 countries.

Here's a very tricky legal question: What do you do when these sorts of virtual child porn programs are ready for consumer sale?

Bear in mind, no actual children would be harmed in their making. It's something that grosses people out, but unlike actual child porn, which begins with an actual child victim, a computer-model child porn program would not have any actual victims.

I know people's reaction will be "criminalize it anyway," but I'm not sure that's quite right. Odious as this sexual derangement might be, a computer program for pedophiles would have no actual victim and no actual crime in it.

People will say "It encourages pedophiles to seek out real victims," but I'm not sure that's true. There are a lot of men not seeking prostitutes or raping women just because they have a safe alternative (the ubiquity of porn).

Actually... I just remembered there was already a legal controversy about the criminalization of computer-generated child porn. The Supreme Court upheld the ban, 7-2, despite this not making a great deal of sense.

Video about the Sweetie sting below -- as this is about child pornography, there is a NSFW advisory.

Again, I don't get it. It looks like a fake computer model. Although Harry Reid just emailed me to say, "This is the most exciting technology I've ever seen."

Posted by: Ace at 01:10 PM | Comments (221)
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1 Harry Reid, where are you?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 04, 2013 01:10 PM (uf1pv)

2 I only read the first few lines...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 04, 2013 01:10 PM (uf1pv)

3 I'm all for it, I tell you. All for it.

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 04, 2013 01:11 PM (OZmbA)

4 Sort of looks like Candy Crowley, except younger, thinner, darker and Asiatic. Otherwise, a dead ringer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 04, 2013 01:11 PM (uf1pv)

5 In the United States I imagine the majority are college faculty.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 04, 2013 01:12 PM (rXcBX)

6

Although Harry Reid just emailed me to say, "This is the most exciting technology I've ever seen."

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Heh..... threadwinner before the first comment!!

Posted by: fixerupper at November 04, 2013 01:12 PM (nELVU)

7 I think I remember a George Will column about a guy who got convicted for writing a child porn fantasy, in words, with no actual children involved, and didn't even publish it.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at November 04, 2013 01:12 PM (A0sHn)

8 So if this program can make a realistic10 year old Phillipino girl, I give it what, 6 months tops before we get some good old fashioned 18 year old, double d, blonde porn

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 01:13 PM (t06LC)

9 I want to adopt Sweetie! My twenty cats need company while I'm away crusading for the awesome POTUS.

Posted by: Candy Crowley at November 04, 2013 01:13 PM (OP1M9)

10 lol at that last line!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 04, 2013 01:13 PM (oFCZn)

11 I'm innocent, I tell you!

Posted by: C3PO at November 04, 2013 01:13 PM (0HooB)

12 Was David Gregory one of them?

Posted by: dogfish at November 04, 2013 01:13 PM (nsOJa)

Where's MWR?

http://is.gd/CL2j7e

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 04, 2013 01:14 PM (PZ6/M)

14 8 So if this program can make a realistic10 year old Phillipino girl, I give it what, 6 months tops before we get some good old fashioned 18 year old, double d, blonde porn Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 05:13 PM (t06LC) 3-D pron is here already. Just go to any of the major websites. At least that's what I've heard...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 04, 2013 01:14 PM (uf1pv)

15 I'm depressed enough. Plus I'm the grandma of three beautiful and precious children. No way am I reading this article or taking part in this discussion.

Posted by: mama winger at November 04, 2013 01:15 PM (P6QsQ)

16 Eh, I'm not sure that there are people not raping due to porn. Maybe not going to prostitutes, but I'm not sure about the raping thing. I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand yay for locking up perverts who hurt kids. On the other hand, when it's purely digital are we just locking people up for a thought crime? Will we go after artists who depict murder next?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at November 04, 2013 01:15 PM (a8eFL)

17 Curse you Rehnquist....curse you to hell....

//Searchlight Harold

Posted by: sven10077 at November 04, 2013 01:15 PM (9jfyN)

18 16 Eh, I'm not sure that there are people not raping due to porn. Maybe not going to prostitutes, but I'm not sure about the raping thing. I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand yay for locking up perverts who hurt kids. On the other hand, when it's purely digital are we just locking people up for a thought crime? Will we go after artists who depict murder next? Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at November 04, 2013 05:15 PM (a8eFL) I agree. Look at the Koran...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 04, 2013 01:16 PM (uf1pv)

19 The largest contingents of named suspects on the dossier came from the ~~United States~~ Searchlight Nevada.

Posted by: yah, me neither at November 04, 2013 01:16 PM (/fQzF)

20 Where's MWR?

http://is.gd/CL2j7e

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 04, 2013 05:14 PM (PZ6/M)

Those are all my douchebag liberal relatives. They're not invited to Thanksgiving this year.

Posted by: Face Sized Spider at November 04, 2013 01:16 PM (GQ8sn)

21 Pizza night, kids. Time to fire up the oven and do the prep. Later.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 04, 2013 01:16 PM (uf1pv)

22 It's been done http://goo.gl/WMn9QR

Posted by: Andy at November 04, 2013 01:16 PM (8vKPP)

23 Not interested. Show me the one with America tied down and just beggin for it.

Posted by: King Barry I at November 04, 2013 01:16 PM (8GKDa)

24 C'mon Ace, you know "Sweetie" isn't Hairy Reed's type.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 04, 2013 01:17 PM (0HooB)

25 1000 men? I'm guessing that number is probably higher than that.

Posted by: dantesed at November 04, 2013 01:17 PM (+o7r8)

26 Can they make Sweetie look a little more... oh.. I dunno... boyish?

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 04, 2013 01:17 PM (NXg/k)

27 As the father of young daughters I have no trouble calling for the hunting and execution of said individuals.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 01:17 PM (XIxXP)

28 Posted by: Andy at November 04, 2013 05:16 PM (8vKPP) Unless stated specifically I'm assuming all links are NSFW in this thread. And for once I'm at work.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at November 04, 2013 01:17 PM (a8eFL)

29 >>> 1000 men? I'm guessing that number is probably higher than that.

yeah I have to correct that. One thousand is the number they *identified* so far and have turned over to Interpol, etc.

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2013 01:18 PM (/FnUH)

30 No Comment.

Posted by: The Chicken, couch and toaster at November 04, 2013 01:18 PM (DL2i+)

31 One reason might be that the capacity of these sickos is limitless. Their diseased brains aren't satisfied with cartoons?

Posted by: ejo at November 04, 2013 01:18 PM (GXvSO)

Didn't SCOTUS already say that fake child porn was protected? Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition

Pretty sure the governments argument in that one that virtual porn was feeding the prurient interest of the pedo's was struck down.

Posted by: california red at November 04, 2013 01:19 PM (7jrCM)

33 I guess playing Grand Theft Auto should be illegal too?

Posted by: wiserbud at November 04, 2013 01:19 PM (NXg/k)

@31

According to ace, then wouldn't the cartoons be enough to convict?

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 01:20 PM (t06LC)

35 >> Unless stated specifically I'm assuming all links are NSFW in this thread. Nah, that one couldn't be more SFW. Plus, you're turning the rule on its head. NSFW links need to be labeled, no matter what the topic of the thread is. *caresses banhammer*

Posted by: Andy at November 04, 2013 01:20 PM (2Z1mL)

36 Liberals don't see a problem with the sexualization of children.

Posted by: wheatie at November 04, 2013 01:20 PM (sx9Hd)

37 Isn't it still a law on the books in Mass-a-two-shits that 12 year-olds can marry?

Also, isn't it a law on the books in Obaaamacare that one is a child until age 26?

And of course, we all know that "nine years old" means "go plow that ground" in Arabic.

Let's not forget the leftists greatest hero, Scott Ritter and his hopeful Burger King kiddie hook-up.

Nor should we forget that a portion of the illegal immigration includes under-age girls forced into prostitution.

And I can't stop with that, without mentioning the leftists greatest Senator sneaks down to the Dominican Republic to bounce little girls on his lap.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 01:20 PM (VjL9S)

38 Yeah, looks like what it is, fake. I guess the Chesters out there ain't too bright.

Posted by: maddogg at November 04, 2013 01:20 PM (xWW96)

39 Poor MWR always getting picked on with the spiders. Not that I haven't done it myself, you know, but just saying.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 04, 2013 01:20 PM (oFCZn)

40 I wondered if this kind of stuff was going on on the Internet.

Posted by: UWP at November 04, 2013 01:20 PM (fdXMW)

41 So . . . if molesting a virtual girl from a great distance were a crime . . . so would be murdering a virtual human in a networked video game.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 04, 2013 01:20 PM (OZmbA)

42 32 california red at November 04, 2013 05:19 PM (7jrCM)

The case IIRC is two cases.

Pure generated material is protected, digital morphing of genuine children into faux computerized imagery is not however.

I'll look it up with precision maybe.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 04, 2013 01:21 PM (9jfyN)

43 That's some seriously sick shit.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 04, 2013 01:21 PM (UAMVq)

44 There has been a significant decline in rape just as porn became ubiquitous. Rapists skew heavily as poor losers with violence and mental health problems. The type of man that women avoid and refuse to be alone with, cause they seem like potential rapists, cause they are. Rapists commit rape when they get horny. Ubiquitous porn tends to relieve the horniness.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 04, 2013 01:21 PM (ZPrif)

45 33 I guess playing Grand Theft Auto should be illegal too? No minors depicted anywhere in GTA.

Posted by: wooga at November 04, 2013 01:21 PM (klfEZ)

@41

Damn. I've killed millions then all before age 18. Is killing goombas ok then?

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 01:22 PM (t06LC)

Apparently this is an abnormal sexual attraction that people are born with. Who are we to judge. Let them get married!!

Posted by: polynikes at November 04, 2013 01:22 PM (m2CN7)

48 >>>Rapists commit rape when they get horny. Ubiquitous porn tends to relieve the horniness.

sometimes

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 04, 2013 01:22 PM (/FnUH)

49 If a CGI jailbait falls in the forest, does anyone hear the fapping?

Posted by: kathysaysso at November 04, 2013 01:22 PM (6H6o8)

50 -
And I can't stop with that, without mentioning the leftists greatest Senator sneaks down to the Dominican Republic to bounce little girls on his lap.
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Yeah, he is weird in that way.

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (8GKDa)

51 Just doin' research, folks!

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (FcR7P)

52 37 RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 05:20 PM (VjL9S)

Yeah I for one am in love with the Left's passive-aggressive schizoid messaging on age and sexuality...how does one reconcile trying to aid NAMBLA into polite society with child sexuality laws?

I was told if my rutting made the family ashamed my dad would end me...

seems a good rule of thumb

Posted by: sven10077 at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (9jfyN)

I wondered if this kind of stuff was going on on the Internet.

There are a great many things I'm gratefully unaware of.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (0HooB)

54 I remember when we had a pedophile joke thread, and I'm still sure I'm doomed to hell for laughing at them. This place used to be the Wild West.

Posted by: toby928© at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (QupBk)

55 Ace, I'd note this though. We don't consider wanting sex a disease or mental illness. The exact opposite is true for pedophilia, so I think that's some of the animus behind making it illegal.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (a8eFL)

Criminalize it anyway. Anything that can hurt a pedophile or put one behind bars is an entirely good thing. I honestly believe such people are beyond the pale of humanity and are outlaws in the old English common law sense of the word. Recividist pedophiles should be executed: three strikes and you're dead.

Of course, none of my beliefs matter however extreme some might view them, but as a point of argument: what happens when artificial CGI child porn is indistinguishable from the real thing? We're only a few years away from that point. What then? Is it still okay, given that not even experts will be able to tell real from fake?

Never view these child-raping monsters as victims of anything, ever. Ever.

Posted by: troyriser at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (gNlvW)

57 Not only are the ones they caught stupid and perverted, they're blind as well.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (MnSla)

58 Rapists commit rape when they get horny. Rape is an act of violence not sex.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (XIxXP)

59 Not to worry.

We're not so far off from the day when ageist becomes the new racist, and "intergenerational intimacy" undergoes the same "cultural norming" that other perversions have been remade into "socially acceptable" by.

We're already seeing "progressive" judges giving their opinion by giving as minimal a sentence as possible to offenders whenever possible.

The American Psycho Association tried to lay the ground work in their diagnostic bible some years ago by defining both pedophilia and pederasty as sexual orientations. Such definition was in a blatant attempt to lay the groundwork to have sex with children benefit from the same legislation that protects other abnormal sex practices.

There is a hew and cry already ongoing that says "the Greeks did it! How bad can it be, since they invented civilization!!!"
And various of the usual suspects that claim that it's actually good for children since it also involves special "mentorship" of the children by their users.

Worry not! We're not much far away from the day when confronting the molester of your own children or grandchildren will be a bone fide hate crime.

Posted by: Grimmy at November 04, 2013 01:23 PM (uUsh9)

60 When ACE pivots, he slices like a hammer!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 04, 2013 01:24 PM (qH/2Y)

61 47 Apparently this is an abnormal sexual attraction that people are born with. Who are we to judge. Let them get married!!
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Right on! Right on!

/s/
NAMBLA -- the same folks that you stand with when you support gay marriage.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 01:24 PM (VjL9S)

62 54 toby928Â© at November 04, 2013 05:23 PM (QupBk)

Reality passed us by...hard to top the firm of Reid and Menendez

Posted by: sven10077 at November 04, 2013 01:24 PM (9jfyN)

63 Here's a conundrum. What happens when, playing online, my character kills one played by a 12 year old... and then my character tea bags the corpse. Is that pedophilia and necrophilia?

Posted by: wooga at November 04, 2013 01:24 PM (klfEZ)

64 No minors depicted anywhere in GTA.

But mass murder and blowing up cops is illegal in the real world.

Posted by: wiserbud at November 04, 2013 01:25 PM (NXg/k)

65 Rape is an act of violence not sex. Saying it does not make it so. It's BOTH.

Posted by: wooga at November 04, 2013 01:25 PM (klfEZ)

66 56 troyriser at November 04, 2013 05:23 PM (gNlvW)

I am inclined to agree, baby buggerers should be fair gamed...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 04, 2013 01:25 PM (9jfyN)

67 But mass murder and blowing up cops is illegal in the real world. Known in the Middle East as Friday night.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 04, 2013 01:26 PM (UAMVq)

68 A guy got convicted for possessing child porn for having certain anime/manga images:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 01:26 PM (wNF3N)

69 Worry not! We're not much far away from the day when confronting the molester of your own children or grandchildren will be a bone fide hate crime.

Well, then, if I gotta go away, might as well go all the way.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 04, 2013 01:26 PM (JawqV)

@56

I'm not crazy about all the zero tolerance talk about that simply because sometimes its not pedophilia. I know someone that took a naked butt bath pic of their two year old and had CPS called on them by Walmart.

Man, as a kid I was always running around naked. My parents would probably still be locked up if I would do that today.

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 01:26 PM (t06LC)

71 Normally I'm happy to be a sockpuppet Harry Reid, but wouldn't prosecuting this kind of creepy behavior--soliticing sex from a computer generated image--be somewhere in the same quadrant as the buffoon school administrators who suspend seven-year-old boys for drawing soldiers with guns?

Posted by: Furious George at November 04, 2013 01:27 PM (yFb77)

72 Sexual deviancy is an ugly thing. Within the context of (Post)Modernism, some forms of sexual deviancy are literally celebrated, yet others are not. Leftists can't really explain this discrepancy explicitly, or at least have never tried, but one supposes that within the context of Leftism it has to do with the oppressor-oppressed dichotomy.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:27 PM (wAloV)

73 Rape is an act of violence not sex. Saying it does not make it so. It's BOTH. Posted by: wooga at November 04, 2013 05:25 PM (klfEZ) I will respectfully disagree, Sex is consensual.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 01:27 PM (XIxXP)

74 Forget the digital....what about a cop entrapping a pedophile...pretending to be a child?

There's no victim there, yet people go to jail. And I believe rightfully so.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 04, 2013 01:27 PM (oJ5Fd)

75 I don't think your analogy is exactly right, ace. I think a more exact analogy would be "does rapey pr0n increase the desire to be rapey?" I don't know the answer, but I suspect I do. There are a lot of really jaded pr0n viewers out there that are technically still virgins. From what I understand they're pretty broken psychologically because a normal relationship is slower, less tailored to whatever their kink has become. I imagine some guy that's only into crush pr0n may have a hard time being in a normal, loving, giving relationship. I think there are enough marginal people out there who are susceptible to needing harder and harder stuff to titillate themselves into climax. Giving the world (or the USA) the legal permission to include digital children into the selection mix is not something I think that should be done.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 04, 2013 01:28 PM (sByIH)

76 >>>Man, as a kid I was always running around naked. Pleeze DM

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 04, 2013 01:28 PM (/FnUH)

77 Feed em to the pigs!

Posted by: wheatie at November 04, 2013 01:28 PM (sx9Hd)

78 Hi there. Have a seat will you? I want to ask you some questions.

Posted by: Chris Hansen at November 04, 2013 01:28 PM (OZmbA)

79 >>>I imagine some guy that's only into crush pr0n may have a hard time being in a normal, loving, giving relationship. wow, i didn't know you were gay. j/k

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2013 01:29 PM (/FnUH)

80
.... please.... please please please please !!!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at November 04, 2013 01:29 PM (nELVU)

81 From the perspective of Media-driven "psychocracy," the topic serves as an efficient squirrel tactic as it provides a facile way of refocusing the mammalian regions of the brain away from any other topics. As the political condition has degenerated, the Media has devoted more time to the subject.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:30 PM (wAloV)

82 Oh and let's not forget the two greatest leftists in the movie industry:

Roman P. --"hot tub fun is drugging and raping little girls."

Woody Allen--"soon as my daughter is old enough, I'm gonna make her mine. Maybe before. You'll never know."

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 01:30 PM (VjL9S)

83 People will say "It encourages pedophiles to seek out real victims," but I'm not sure that's true. There are a lot of men not seeking prostitutes or raping women just because they have a safe alternative (the ubiquity of porn). Oh, I don't think so. Why do you think rapists are not allowed to possess porn and skin magazines when on parole?

Posted by: Jesse at November 04, 2013 01:30 PM (mpTrn)

84 80 ace at November 04, 2013 05:29 PM (/FnUH)

I can't believe the Fonz was a crusher on The Practice Ace...that was a Kaboom moment....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 04, 2013 01:30 PM (9jfyN)

85 68 But mass murder and blowing up cops is illegal in the real world.

Known in the Middle East as Friday night.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 04, 2013 05:26 PM (UAMVq)

Daily routine.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at November 04, 2013 01:31 PM (MnSla)

86 >>>There's no victim there, yet people go to jail. And I believe rightfully so. i'm guessing they get them on INTENTIONAL corruption of a minor. not corruption of a minor, as there was no minor, but intending to corrupt one. but if one could buy a pervert program knowing there were no kids involved at any point, then that "intentional" thing would be lacking.

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2013 01:31 PM (/FnUH)

87 >> titillate themselves into climax

I gave up on that long ago. Just not very titillating.

Posted by: Candy Crowley at November 04, 2013 01:31 PM (OZmbA)

88 The Scandis continue to commit the crimes of being painfully boring.

Still, I'd watch this before a televised Obama speech

Is NorwayÂ’s Slow TV Phenomenon The Future Of Reality Programming? 9-Hour Knitting Contests, 8-Hour Train Rides

http://tinyurl.com/lo5qoam

Posted by: kbdabear at November 04, 2013 01:31 PM (aTXUx)

89 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 04, 2013 05:21 PM (ZPrif)

Can you back up any of this with links to facts?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 04, 2013 01:31 PM (oJ5Fd)

90 >>>Oh, I don't think so. Why do you think rapists are not allowed to possess porn and skin magazines when on parole? i think because of *belief* that that tends to increase immorality. but I don't know if that belief is well-founded.

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2013 01:32 PM (/FnUH)

91 Rape is an act of violence not sex.

Saying it does not make it so. It's BOTH.

Posted by: wooga at November 04, 2013 05:25 PM (klfEZ)

Not a lot of women will admit it but the rape fantasy is somewhat common. Of course not one of them actually want to be raped for real . Our brains are screwy.

Posted by: polynikes at November 04, 2013 01:32 PM (m2CN7)

92 "P" is just the Latest Letter to be added to the "LGBT" Grievance group. They will argue it's an "orientation" deserving of the same degree of protection as the other "orientations." It's going that way people, do not doubt it!

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 04, 2013 01:32 PM (bb5+k)

93 Have they changed the law so that possession of animal sadist tapes are illegal? Remember when the USSC let that fucking puppy crusher off the hook?

Posted by: Jesse at November 04, 2013 01:32 PM (mpTrn)

94 Wasn't Bean Dutch? Hmmm.

Posted by: Voltaire's Crack at November 04, 2013 01:33 PM (gXtDC)

95 As for the terminology, one supposes that Leftists prefer the term pedophile (derived from psychology, pedophilia, along with necrophilia, etc) over the obvious one, pedosexual, as they don't particularly feel the need to have to explain why they are demagoguing against a "sexual minority."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:33 PM (wAloV)

Those guys can't see too well, can they?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 04, 2013 01:34 PM (0HooB)

97 buncha sick fucks, those Dutch

Posted by: soothsayer explains it all at November 04, 2013 01:34 PM (LWDm3)

98 Hey, I knew it was a fake kid all along. That's why I hit on her.

I would never have propositioned a real kid.

honest.

Posted by: Harry R, On the list but wrongly accused at November 04, 2013 01:34 PM (NXg/k)

99 Love ya, Ace. You ask questions that need to be asked. Because victims matter. I had a conversation about a decade ago with a cohort in the edumacation system about whether it was better for pervs to perv on digital images or the real thing. But the low IQ female person thought it was better for her career to dime me out to the Principal. I like women. But some of them aren't worthy to lick the smegma from my balls.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 01:34 PM (U2UQk)

100 94 Have they changed the law so that possession of animal sadist tapes are illegal? Remember when the USSC let that fucking puppy crusher off the hook?

Posted by: Jesse at November 04, 2013 05:32 PM (mpTrn)

They supposedly have animal brothels in Germany where horny men can poke fido or Mr. Ed.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 04, 2013 01:34 PM (OZmbA)

101 wow, i didn't know you were gay. HA! I had a girlfriend that called me her gay boyfriend. Fact of the matter was I was all kinds of turned on by her. I wanted to be married first though. It turned out alright though. I found a lady that was even better in every category, mind, body and heart. I know, I know, GAY!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 04, 2013 01:34 PM (sByIH)

102 They supposedly have animal brothels in Germany where horny men can poke fido or Mr. Ed. --- However, they closed the ones in Washington state where Mr. Ed can poke you.

Posted by: Zombie Mr. Hands at November 04, 2013 01:35 PM (/Crba)

103 Posted by: ace at November 04, 2013 05:31 PM (/FnUH)

So if intent is there, the victim does not have to exist?

I'll buy that in this case...but boy oh boy, that could be extrapolated into all sorts of leftist wet-dreams.

As for the idea of a perv program that allows people to molest virtual children...thank you so much for pointing out something that had not occurred to me.

Sometimes I hate this world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 04, 2013 01:35 PM (oJ5Fd)

104 Addiction to porn is far too common and those with the propensity to become a rapist will eventually succumb because the addict is always looking for the next level.

Posted by: polynikes at November 04, 2013 01:35 PM (m2CN7)

105 I'm kind of surprised child sex is illegal in the Islamic Netherlands.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 04, 2013 01:35 PM (ZKzrr)

106 The (Media) phenomenon probably also has to do with the Leftist obsession with "uglifying" the culture.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:36 PM (wAloV)

107 91 >>>Oh, I don't think so. Why do you think rapists are not allowed to possess porn and skin magazines when on parole? i think because of *belief* that that tends to increase immorality. but I don't know if that belief is well-founded. Posted by: ace at November 04, 2013 05:32 PM (/FnUH) The DOC and courts aren't going to impose parole conditions based on mere belief or morals that if violated would send people back to prison.

Posted by: Jesse at November 04, 2013 01:36 PM (mpTrn)

108 If I've learned one thing, its that when you get to the house, and they say "have some tea, I'm just putting some laundry in". You're totally fucked.

Posted by: UWP at November 04, 2013 01:36 PM (fdXMW)

109 Nota lot of women will admit it but the rape fantasy is somewhat common. Of course not one of them actually want to be raped for real . Our brains are screwy. Posted by: polynikes at November 04, 2013 05:32 PM (m2CN7) I'd like to hear that from a woman. Not that I agree or disagree, just curious.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 01:36 PM (XIxXP)

110 I think that the porn/prostitute thing works because they're adults but there's a real horrible illness in someone if they are sexually excited by children this young. That's just demented, and I'm not sure the same rules apply to someone in that situation.
However, I see some comments in that video by the "sweetie" character that look awfully like entrapment, like saying "I'm horny" to the guy she's talking to. And that opens up a whole new ball of problems.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 01:36 PM (zfY+H)

111 Well rons. off to Red Robin. It's the 14 year olds B-Day. Later.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 01:37 PM (XIxXP)

112 104 CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 04, 2013 05:35 PM (oJ5Fd)

Five felonies a day comrade...

they plan for us all to be felons...

Me, I sometimes think thoughts of fixing the drug problem in spectacular fashion...

"thought crime" is they ever figure that out one day if able.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 04, 2013 01:37 PM (9jfyN)

113

Selling catnip to a cop as pot is an illegal act.

Early in that clip it was mentioned that pervs are sending money to kids for cybersex. Methinks the pervs are sending money to the parents. There was a couple of stings in Cebu City where the family members were putting the wee little ones in front of the web cams.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 04, 2013 01:37 PM (DHQv9)

114 I do think that many,not all,pedo's would not be satisfied with the computer generated porn and would want to find the real thing.

Posted by: steevy at November 04, 2013 01:37 PM (zqvg6)

115 Ah yes, one of those 'widely held' beliefs...such as man made global climate warming change. But we all know, I'm talking about men here, that *thinking* about sex increases the desire to *do* sex. Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind type of thing.

Posted by: soothsayer explains it all at November 04, 2013 01:38 PM (LWDm3)

116 OT but here's a laugh -- from an AP article:

The bear that attacked the woman likely is still in the area. Agents hope to lure it into one of their traps baited with doughnuts and beer.

Your tax dollars at work.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 01:38 PM (wNF3N)

117 I honestly believe that the legal eagles in America will make sex and marriage OK as long as there is consent. Then once that's the standard, the "age of consent" will slide as quickly as they can manage. There are studies now that kids know the difference between right and wrong at age eight. Watch for that to become the argument and the "limit". It's science!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 04, 2013 01:38 PM (sByIH)

118 I do wonder how many guys in the UN got nailed in this sting though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 01:39 PM (zfY+H)

119 I wonder if Glenn Greenwald ever met the parents of his victim before he- the underaged victim - turned 18 and was arrested for espionage by the UK. Secondly, I wonder why Glenn Greenwald lives in Brazil and writes for a UK communist paper. Not being charged with child rape might be part of it, but I dunno. We should ask for his input on this story - which I am sure makes him sick. Since the child is female, I mean.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 04, 2013 01:39 PM (btTaI)

120 Good to see you again, Christopher Taylor.

Posted by: soothsayer explains it all at November 04, 2013 01:39 PM (LWDm3)

121 117 Donuts and beer?It's not a bear,it's Homer Simpson!

Posted by: steevy at November 04, 2013 01:40 PM (zqvg6)

122 Agents hope to lure it into one of their traps baited with doughnuts and beer. I hope it's a live trap, because they're going to catch a lot of not bears in that one.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 04, 2013 01:40 PM (sByIH)

123 As to the more concrete phenomena, either the perversion/psychological disorder has indeed become more prevalent in the 21st century, along with every other form of sexual deviancy, or people simply feel the need to talk about it more, for whatever reason (obviously increased Media presence would be one, another would be that it is pretty much the only thing people are still allowed to criticize). Regardless, it is a manifestation of the general degeneracy and decay of society brought about by the various social-engineering schemes employed since the 60s.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:41 PM (wAloV)

124 Oh yes. Pedophilia is already on the fast track to enforced societal acceptance, using exactly the same arguments as homosexual activists, and the same methods. Matter of time, folks. Lock up your daughters.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 01:41 PM (zfY+H)

125 I was only looking up Sweetie for research. Yeah, that it, research.

Posted by: Jim Messina at November 04, 2013 01:42 PM (X866z)

126 124 As to the more concrete phenomena, either the perversion/psychological disorder has indeed become more prevalent in the 21st century, along with every other form of sexual deviancy, or people simply feel the need to talk about it more, for whatever reason (obviously increased Media presence would be one, another would be that it is pretty much the only thing people are still allowed to criticize). Regardless, it is a manifestation of the general degeneracy and decay of society brought about by the various social-engineering schemes employed since the 60s. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 05:41 PM (wAloV) Believe it or not, I can make an argument for it being Hitler's fault.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 04, 2013 01:42 PM (bb5+k)

127 Pedos aren't too smart. Ritter got snagged twice and he was a supposedly smart UN weapons inspector.

The little head has the power to shutdown the big head.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 04, 2013 01:43 PM (fZ2Zr)

128 Fuckin' Romney.

Posted by: toby928© at November 04, 2013 01:43 PM (QupBk)

129 Only here because this kind of thing makes me see red and reach for the axe handle. I'll kill any man who touches my nieces and go to jail with a smile on my face.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 01:43 PM (zfY+H)

130 I wish I could remember the study, but there's one I read where they paid guys to rub one out while watching rape pr0n. They found that normal guys would get flacid during the key part, but would be very interested in the before and after parts. After a few viewings they didn't experience the flacid part at all. IOW they no longer were turned off by the simulated rape.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 04, 2013 01:43 PM (sByIH)

131 You like make the sex crime?

Posted by: Borat at November 04, 2013 01:44 PM (klfEZ)

132 >>> The DOC and courts aren't going to impose parole conditions based on mere belief or morals that if violated would send people back to prison. absolutely they are. people are weird about sex. Porn was illegal for like 150 years in America. Who wants to be the guy to speak up on behalf of porn or skin mags for parolees? No one does. Thus old laws remain on the books which no one really believes in. But no one also feels like risking himself to say, "Wait, that doesn't make sense."

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2013 01:44 PM (/FnUH)

133 Inevitably, they'll make an AI chat prostitute program that will be configurable. Haptic devices already exist to do all the sensations needed to get to an Al Gore/happy ending. All you need to do is attach a binary nerve agent to be released if they configure it to Creepy. But it is likely that within 10 years you'll have software sex packages and - what do we really do then? My vote is the nerve agent.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 04, 2013 01:44 PM (btTaI)

134 The Media's first "mass foray" into the topic was probably when it occurred to the various individuals employed therein that the matter could be used to libel Catholicism. But since that form of pedosexuality is clearly a subset of homosexuality, the Media probably enjoys the more "heterosexual" "brand" of pedosexuality, as that can be presented as a form of "hyperheterosexuality" and/or rampant "phallocracy." "Heterosexual extremism."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:44 PM (wAloV)

135

@116

I don't know. Seeing a metric shit ton of gay sex will never make me want to have sex with a sweaty dude. If you're into that thing awesome. I'm just not.

Conversely, I can see that where watching porn I like starts me thinking I might need to find a sitter so I can take the missus out for a date. And then sneak back to the sitter. (I Keed I keed)

If you're predetermined to like child porn, I think that's where you're problem is initially. But, if you're already into that kind of thing, is it ever really out of mind?

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 01:44 PM (t06LC)

136 It was all for research purposes, I swear!

Posted by: Pete Townsend at November 04, 2013 01:44 PM (klfEZ)

137 Now, I want you to realize that the NSA has the capability to pretend a conversation with "Sweetie" that comes from you, including time-stamps that correspond with the times you were online and full IP address.

Hell, they can even fake money being exchanged.

And you, little ol' you, want to think you're innocent?

I don't like this new world at all . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 01:44 PM (VjL9S)

138 She was fake? fuck

Posted by: Pete Townshend at November 04, 2013 01:45 PM (/FnUH)

139 It seems to me that the question to answer here is "does it, on average, reduce the incidence of REAL child abuse?". As you suggest, Ace, it is probably the case that the universal availability of porn is in large measure responsible for the decrease in rape. As odious as it is, such material may have a good effect. Based on the recidivism rates, it is certainly the case that jail does not solve the problem (unless, of course, offenders are jailed for life or simply disposed of)

I say this as the father of 4 daughters, who would like to see child molesters strung up by the testicles. (me, not the daughters)

Posted by: pep at November 04, 2013 01:45 PM (6TB1Z)

140

@66Rape is an act of violence not sex.

Saying it does not make it so. It's BOTH.

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Also, increasingly the various definitions of "date rape" are slipping closer and closer to "sex" instead of "violence". iirc, Julian Assange was charged with rape because he said he was using a condom, and didn't - which is defined as rape in whichever Scandanavian country the incident took place in.

Posted by: junior at November 04, 2013 01:45 PM (UWFpX)

141 123 >> I hope it's a live trap, because they're going to catch a lot of not bears in that one.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 04, 2013 05:40 PM (sByIH)

Yeah, I can see it now -- Boss, we need more bait money. So far, we've caught 12 hobos, two guys that claim they are Morons, plus the entire Seattle police department.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 04, 2013 01:45 PM (wNF3N)

142 Who in their right mind would stomp on this little angel? http://goo.gl/mUnmA3 Look at that belly! Go ahead -- rub it!

Posted by: Jesse at November 04, 2013 01:45 PM (mpTrn)

143 Good points. Look at the art world. You'll see bestiality and all sorts of sordid sex acts with - whatever you can imagine, going way back in time. They would just call the child porn art.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 04, 2013 01:46 PM (IXrOn)

144 Posted by: soothsayer explains it all at November 04, 2013 05:38 PM (LWDm3)

But that assumes that we don't think about sex constantly, and our rape-fixated feminists claim exactly that...plus some good old domination thrown in for good measure.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 04, 2013 01:46 PM (oJ5Fd)

145 Agents hope to lure it into one of their traps baited with doughnuts and beer.

Someone get this thing off my leg.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 04, 2013 01:46 PM (ZKzrr)

146 What's funny is how some deep blue communities (such as Cambridge, MA) are trying real hard to lower the voting age (in their city, first) to 16 while other deep blue places (such as NYC) just raised their smoking age to 21. The Left is ALWAYS at work re-shaping the Community. Never forget it.

Posted by: soothsayer explains it all at November 04, 2013 01:46 PM (LWDm3)

147 Another aspect might be "vulgar Leftism's" (as opposed to "sophisticated, academic Leftism's") interest in demonizing the mentally ill as a group, and the idea that mentally ill people are interested in sex with children would be an efficient way to do so. One supposes that in the future, history will be revised so that Hitler/Mussolini will have been the most promiscuous pedosexual of all. That seems to be the way these things tend to go, at least as far as the "popular imagination" is concerned.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:48 PM (wAloV)

148 If you look at the stats, its increasingly difficult to make the "rape isn't about sex" argument. The victims are primarily in the young and breedable age. If its just about violence and power then they would go after either children or old ladies. Its about sex. It is also about power, but that old cop show canard of not being about sex is just psychobabble, and I suspect the origin is a need to stop anything bad from being associated with sex at any level. For modern social left, sex is the holy, it is the ultimate, it is all we are born for and live for. You can't have anything get in the way of the holy quest of getting laid or make people feel bad about it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 01:48 PM (zfY+H)

149 141 The most shocking thing about that is that Julian Assange had sex with a woman.

Posted by: steevy at November 04, 2013 01:49 PM (zqvg6)

150 But according to the APA, wanting to stick your dick in a ten year old isn't considered a "mental disorder" anymore. Seriously. Google it. Don't be a pedophobe!

Posted by: WOW at November 04, 2013 01:49 PM (6j8ke)

151 Ace, I think you are misreading the SCOTUS opinion. The court ruled that if someone offered something up as child porn, it was not a valid defense to later argue that the porn was fake. The act itself, of offering the child porn, was not protected speech.

That would not apply to someone offering up fake child porn if they labeled it as fake. Although, I suppose that for some, knowing it was fake would make them lose interest.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 04, 2013 01:49 PM (IN7k+)

152 It's a twap!

Posted by: Admiral Barney Frank Ackbar at November 04, 2013 01:50 PM (OP1M9)

153 When one goes to, say, a sperm bank, what do they give one to *help* them ejaculate? A Koran?? Nope. A Jane Austen novel?

Posted by: soothsayer explains it all at November 04, 2013 01:50 PM (LWDm3)

154

@95Wasn't Bean Dutch?

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Yes, and no. He was "born" in a lab near Amsterdam, but his family background was Greek. He finds his biological family (i.e. the parents whose embryo was stolen) in one of the Shadow books, and their last name is Delphiki.

Posted by: junior at November 04, 2013 01:50 PM (UWFpX)

155 But it is likely that within 10 years you'll have software sex packages and - what do we really do then?

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 04, 2013 05:44 PM (btTaI)

already exist if you peruse the Japanese sex industry

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 01:50 PM (vJdyz)

156 Re: #5

Not just in the USA: http://tinyurl.com/ljt47ck

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2013 01:50 PM (8Fl6F)

157 117 OT but here's a laugh -- from an AP article: The bear that attacked the woman likely is still in the area. Agents hope to lure it into one of their traps baited with doughnuts and beer. Your tax dollars at work. --- You're arrested on one count of being a bear, and one count of accessory to being a bear.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum at November 04, 2013 01:50 PM (/Crba)

158 I didn't go into the links because it creeps me out, but, does it mention if the sting communique was done in English?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 04, 2013 01:51 PM (IXrOn)

159 IOW they no longer were turned off by the simulated rape.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 04, 2013 05:43 PM (sByIH)

But extrapolating to committing an actual rape is a huge leap.

When I was a teenager, a gentle breeze would arouse me, but I didn't go around grabbing women and raping them.

Normal society builds hugely powerful controls into men to prevent exactly this kind of situation.

Sure, a little bit of psychology can break down some of the wall, but it is a mighty high wall, with lots of stuff going on behind the scenes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 04, 2013 01:51 PM (oJ5Fd)

160 151 But according to the APA, wanting to stick your dick in a ten year old isn't considered a "mental disorder" anymore. Seriously. Google it. Don't be a pedophobe! Posted by: WOW at November 04, 2013 05:49 PM (6j8ke) That's how homosexuality became normalized. APA in 1973 removed it from the list of mental disorders. It's been down hill ever since.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 04, 2013 01:51 PM (bb5+k)

161 So... do they, uh... have underage Sasquatch simulations?

I'm just asking for a friend.

Posted by: Barry O'Bumbles at November 04, 2013 01:51 PM (ApGx8)

162 They want to lower the voting age but they also argued, successfully, that brains of minors are too undeveloped to know that murdering people is wrong.

Posted by: Jesse at November 04, 2013 01:52 PM (mpTrn)

163

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 05:26 PM (t06LC)

I wasn't referring to innocent baby pix taken by parents or any other act that is clearly not molestation or otherwise sexual in nature. I was referring specifically to those child-raping monsters who sexually assault children. Them I'd like to see behind bars, getting some of that extra-special 'short-eyes' treatment from their fellow inmates.

There is no rehabilitation for such people. Not even chemical castration therapies have proven efficacy. Either they're locked away (or executed) or they will offend again, so while my stand on the issue may come across as an absolutist position, it isn't. It's the most rational position there is.

Posted by: troyriser at November 04, 2013 01:52 PM (gNlvW)

164 124 As to the more concrete phenomena, either the perversion/psychological disorder has indeed become more prevalent in the 21st century, along with every other form of sexual deviancy, or people simply feel the need to talk about it more, for whatever reason
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The deviancy of man in olden days was seriously beyond that of the modern man.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 01:52 PM (VjL9S)

165 A more innocent explanation of the cultural phenomenon might be a desire to reassert some sort of moral compass in the Age of Postmodernism. Since Leftism likes to pretend, whenever it is beneficial for it to do so, that it does not believe in "evil," some Atheistic Conservatives might be prone to pointing to this sort of thing as proof of the existence of evil.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:52 PM (wAloV)

166 146 Ha,ha,ha.

Posted by: steevy at November 04, 2013 01:52 PM (zqvg6)

167 Why fuel the beast? It may be legal to produce this sort of porn, but what is the upside? Money?

This could be the trigger that pushes the one who is excited by child porn into acting upon it. Reprehensible.

I would point out that the decline of the family and society in general was accelerated dramatically by the availability of porn in all forms, and the subsequent objectification and devaluation of the human person. Now most women's magazines show soft core porn between the covers, airbrushed and objectified to the extreme. This is not good for women, and it is not good for men.

Still, can't punish pre-crime, so I guess we will just have to adjust.

Posted by: tcn at November 04, 2013 01:53 PM (fwcEs)

168

@164

I agree with that. What I'm speaking to thought is the dearth of new zero tolerance laws we have on the books. Discretion is a good thing.

Yeah, fuck real molesters, just know who they are first.

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 01:54 PM (t06LC)

169 As reprehensible as adult/child sex is, I really have to wonder about the occurrence rates. Before Jerry Sandusky and the Penn State thing, I could not tell you of ONE occurrence in the state of Pennsylvania during my lifetime. But it hits some peoples HOT button. Not just HOT, but RED HOT, despite being such a non-event. If pervs can fap to some digital image and leave an actual child alone, I'm okay with that. Not happy, but less then outraged. But go ahead and argue for more government action, while we print trillions in funny money to fund people looking for an almost nonexistent problem.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 01:54 PM (U2UQk)

170 Also, increasingly the various definitions of "date rape" are slipping closer and closer to "sex" instead of "violence". iirc, Julian Assange was charged with rape because he said he was using a condom, and didn't - which is defined as rape in whichever Scandinavian country the incident took place in. I saw a case out of California where a couple were having consensual sex, and the girl says, "I've got to go." The guy finishes up about 30 seconds later. He got convicted of rape. You see she withdrew consent when she said, "I have to go."

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 04, 2013 01:54 PM (sByIH)

171 The deviancy of man in olden days was seriously beyond that of the modern man.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 05:52 PM (VjL9S)

Oh, well, I guess it's okay then.

Posted by: tcn at November 04, 2013 01:55 PM (fwcEs)

172 The "Just do it," "anything goes," and "pleasure is king" slogans that underlie the Postmodern/Nihilistic/Atheistic mentality, might indeed encourage pedosexual sexual deviants to "go for it," as it does, in fact, encourage homosexuals to sodomize each other, and so forth.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:56 PM (wAloV)

173 74 Rape is an act of violence not sex. Saying it does not make it so. It's BOTH. Posted by: wooga at November 04, 2013 05:25 PM (klfEZ) I will respectfully disagree, Sex is consensual. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 04, 2013 05:27 PM (XIxXP) --------------------------- You mean that sex SHOULD be consensual. I think this "rape is not sex" meme is utterly absurd. Sex can be good, bad, pleasant, unpleasant, exciting, boring, loving, violent, etc., etc., depending on the circumstances. It's still sex. If rape really is not about sex, let's just call it aggravated assault and not call the perp a "sex offender." If getting off on diddling a child is not a sex crime, what do you call it?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 04, 2013 01:56 PM (dfYL9)

174

@170

Apparently its pretty common and worse often goes unreported. Here in Texas there is a website that shows who is a sex offender and where and you can read an overview of the charge.

Some are the bullshit variety like the innocent pics, and some are the "he was 19, she was 17" type, but a lot are pretty bad.

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 01:57 PM (t06LC)

175 But extrapolating to committing an actual rape is a huge leap. Yes, one I didn't make. The point I was trying to make is that masturbating while watching porn will make you start liking porn that initially turns you off. IOW, it makes you want harder stuff that wouldn't have been a turn-on before.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 04, 2013 01:58 PM (sByIH)

176 "Divorcing" sex from its fundamentally reproductive role, as well as from marriage, and the descent into mindless Hedonism and "pleasure for pleasure's sake" intentionally brought about by Leftism might, likewise, contribute to an increase in pedosexual activity.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 01:59 PM (wAloV)

177 Actually... I just remembered there was already a legal controversy about the criminalization of computer-generated child porn. The Supreme Court upheld the ban,7-2, despite this not making a great deal of sense.
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I think it makes sense. The law prohibits mere possession of child porn so therefore they are addressing an evil other than victimizing children by producing child porn. The thought is the father of the deed.

As someone mentioned above, there was a guy who wrote down his sexual fantasies involving children and his probation was revoked for possessing that. No indication that he was attempting to sell it or anything. It's just that using such stimulus is just plain wrong and dangerous.

I had a case a couple of years ago which involved a website where you can send them pictures of some child you are interested in and they will photoshop that child's head onto child pornography for you so you can get off on watching you neighbor's seven year old.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 04, 2013 01:59 PM (XUKZU)

178

Posted by: bonhomme at November 04, 2013 05:43 PM (sByIH)

Our hard tax dollars at work?

Also, does anyone know if pedophilia is still listed in the DSM as a mental disability? They keep taking stuff out and putting stuff in those things, I have no clue what constitutes mental illnesses anymore according to SCIENCE! I know pedophiles were working to get their DSM listing removed but I can't remember if they were yet successful.

Posted by: LizLem, who blames Mitt Romney just 'cause at November 04, 2013 02:00 PM (BF+2f)

179 I'm really not a violent person but one thing that would me snap is somebody harming one of my granddaughters. Harry Reid better stay away.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 04, 2013 02:02 PM (Xmw9g)

180 172 The deviancy of man in olden days was seriously beyond that of the modern man.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 05:52 PM (VjL9S)

Oh, well, I guess it's okay then.
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Not saying that.
I'm saying there's really no depths that haven't been plumbed.

But, they dealt with it. Or it destroyed them

We seem to think we can control that evil this time.

Like I keep saying, the leftist won't like this new paradise they think they are building at all.
And they'll still blame me and you as they're being lined up against the wall . . . for daring to protest the party leader raping their 10 year old daughter.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 04, 2013 02:02 PM (VjL9S)

181 The deviancy of man in olden days was seriously beyond that of the modern man.

Hey, I waited until she was 9.

Posted by: Mohammed, PissBUH at November 04, 2013 02:02 PM (ZKzrr)

182 I still say, assassin sex robots are the answer. Program in servos filled with cyanide for processing a request to "Call me Daddy". Job done. Just hose them off, refill the kill orifices, and send them on their way.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 04, 2013 02:02 PM (btTaI)

183 As would, of course, the general atmosphere of rampant immorality, antisocial egocentrism, and "atomic individualism" favored by "Libidinous Liberalism," the form of "liberalism" favored by Leftists in the wake of the "Sexual Revolution" of the 60s, which has, indeed, thoroughly "libidoized" and "sexualized" society. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 02:03 PM (wAloV)

184

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 04, 2013 06:02 PM (btTaI)

so the world that S.C.U.D. foretold about almost 20 years ago

Posted by: The Dude at November 04, 2013 02:04 PM (vJdyz)

185 Divorcing" sex from its fundamentally reproductive role, as well as from marriage, and the descent into mindless Hedonism and "pleasure for pleasure's sake" intentionally brought about by Leftism might, likewise, contribute to an increase in pedosexual activity.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 04, 2013 05:59 PM (wAloV)

Funny, isn't it, how the Church may have been right all along. Any time you take away the actual purpose of sex, you are saying that pleasure overrides all other concerns, and who determines what is pleasurable? Any pervert will do that, and it will only get worse.

We end up with women who think they have to put out to find a man, and then can't figure out why no man respects her because she has become a cum-dumpster. Same for your average gay man, and it all leads to self-loathing and worse self-instructive behavior. Viola: the liberal and libertine paradise.

Posted by: tcn at November 04, 2013 02:05 PM (fwcEs)

186 33 I guess playing Grand Theft Auto should be illegal too?

No minors depicted anywhere in GTA.
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It seems OK to me in a video game to smash someone's head in in order to steal their car as long as that person in an adult. It does not seem OK to me to have a video game where you are supposed to lure children into your van and rape them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 04, 2013 02:06 PM (XUKZU)

187 It's not just a harmless outlet, it's evil and it's playing with fire. Pedophiles have one of the highest percentages of recidivism, even with chemical castration, as troyriser pointed out. Why legalize something that will only feed their libidos?

Posted by: venus velvet at November 04, 2013 02:06 PM (g94P/)

188 149 If you look at the stats, its increasingly difficult to make the "rape isn't about sex" argument. The victims are primarily in the young and breedable age. If its just about violence and power then they would go after either children or old ladies. Its about sex. It is also about power, but that old cop show canard of not being about sex is just psychobabble, and I suspect the origin is a need to stop anything bad from being associated with sex at any level. For modern social left, sex is the holy, it is the ultimate, it is all we are born for and live for. You can't have anything get in the way of the holy quest of getting laid or make people feel bad about it. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 05:48 PM (zfY+H) ---------------------------- THIS. "Virgin," "celibate," and "chaste" are dirty words. Filthy, really.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 04, 2013 02:06 PM (dfYL9)

189 If it's just about violence and power they'd go after children and old ladies ---- Erm. This whole thread started with the arrest of men who would go after children. Besides, children and old ladies and old men are also raped in tribal violence and war. Rape is sometimes about sex (and poor impulse control, unwillingness to recognize another person's desires and rights as equal to your own) but an awful lot is about violence. It depends on the rapist, I suppose. As for virtual child porn...I hate the idea, but punishing it in some cases does seem to verge into thought crime. Chris Hansen stings are one thing, but virtual child porn, harming no child, and not involving a plan to harm a real child seems different.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 02:07 PM (GmTxn)

190 As reprehensible as adult/child sex is, I really have to wonder about the occurrence rates. Before Jerry Sandusky and the Penn State thing, I could not tell you of ONE occurrence in the state of Pennsylvania during my lifetime.
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I believe you are wrong about that. Sex assaults on children is very common. Not all are full blown rapes. Many, most are simple fondlings. If you want to scare yourself sometime, check out the location of sex offenders living in your neighborhood.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 04, 2013 02:08 PM (XUKZU)

191 ...a website where you can send them pictures of a child you are interested in and they will photoshop it... ---- Now, that would have a clear victim.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 02:13 PM (GmTxn)

192 As reprehensible as adult/child sex is, I really have to wonder about the occurrence rates. Before Jerry Sandusky and the Penn State thing, I could not tell you of ONE occurrence in the state of Pennsylvania during my lifetime.

But it hits some peoples HOT button. Not just HOT, but RED HOT, despite being such a non-event. If pervs can fap to some digital image and leave an actual child alone, I'm okay with that. Not happy, but less then outraged.

But go ahead and argue for more government action, while we print trillions in funny money to fund people looking for an almost nonexistent problem.

Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at November 04, 2013 05:54 PM (U2UQk)

It isn't an almost nonexistent problem. Because you haven't heard much about it does not make it almost nonexistent. It does, however, make you uniformed. Look up, for example, Nigel Oldfield, convicted sex offender from Manchester, England. Nigel goes by (or went by) the moniker of 'WMCritest' on a number of websites such as YouTube. Prior to his conviction, Nigel got his kicks by watching videos of little girls being violently raped, and--based on the number of his online contacts--Nigel evidently has a lot of like-minded friends, who in turn comprise an international network numbering in the thousands. Highly educated and articulate, Oldfield likes publicity and has appeared under his own name on a few TV talk shows and radio programs to push for lowering of the age of consent laws in the UK.

Several years ago, I searched out Nigel's home address (he was careless once and that's all it took) and then emailed it to every adult sex abuse survivor's group in the UK that I could find. No regrets.

Posted by: troyriser at November 04, 2013 02:15 PM (gNlvW)

193 I could not tell you of ONE occurrence in the state of Pennsylvania. --- It's common enough that it doesn't make front page news if it's not either a celebrity or an abduction or murder. It's incredibly common.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 02:17 PM (GmTxn)

194 Yes, one I didn't make. The point I was trying to make is that masturbating while watching porn will make you start liking porn that initially turns you off. IOW, it makes you want harder stuff that wouldn't have been a turn-on before. If I liked porn with young women with 'C' cups, I won't be satisfied until they have grotesque 'HH' cups? I don't think so. Pedophiles are immature, socially backwards individuals who can not secure an actual woman of their own age, so they troll downward until they secure a girl of their own level. Not that difficult to spot, but if you want BIG GOVERNMENT to spend every cent of your tax dollar to sniff out an almost non-existent problem, then go ahead. I'll vainly try to pay next years tax bill while you indulge 'your' particular fantasy.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 02:18 PM (U2UQk)

195 Oh, and Sandusky got away with it for decades before you heard of it. Child molesters are probably not that common, but they are some busy bees.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 02:19 PM (GmTxn)

196

I believe you are wrong about that. Sex assaults on children is very common. Not all are full blown rapes. Many, most are simple fondlings. If you want to scare yourself sometime, check out the location of sex offenders living in your neighborhood.

population of our town is 1,000. we have 4 listed.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at November 04, 2013 02:20 PM (DHQv9)

197 Our situation is so bad that this thread on pedophiles is the least depressing one at HQ today.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at November 04, 2013 02:21 PM (5H6zj)

198 Where are you getting this stuff Schrodinger? The man statistically most likely to sexually assault a child is married to a woman and employed, so, no, not just tragically immature man-children. Those sorts of pedophiles do exist---Michael Jackson was probably one of them---but they aren't the majority.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 02:27 PM (GmTxn)

199 I'd like instances in Pennsylvania, USA. Not Britain. Because I know the local and state newspapers would make it FRONT PAGE news if it happened anywhere near me. It's not happening. Yeah, some guy had an overfull bladder and took a wizz in the woods. He's now a 'sexual predator' because he 'indecently exposed' himself to the backside of a poplar tree. OMG, they're everywhere!!! Not really, but guys who pee in the woods are pretty common. It's an excuse to have thousands of government employees 'working' on the problem. *shrugs* // The only guy I ever knew who got busted for indecent exposure was gay. I don't think he's a threat to anyone's daughter.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 02:28 PM (U2UQk)

200 I wager that the largest majority of women in the world have suffered at least one sexual approach or even assault before they were the age of 13. Its something that doesn't get reported or mentioned by most, because its something they want to forget, feel ashamed by, and feel horrible guilt about. When you're 11 and some man says its your fault for being so sexy/slutty/whatever the scumbag pukes to justify himself to you, that's going to leave a mark.
I think its very common and very unknown. Its one of the reasons girls were so protected in the past and a horror we've unleashed by pretending it isn't needed any more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 02:32 PM (zfY+H)

201 It's incredibly common. Then please, prove me wrong. BING/GOOGLE 'sexual predator/pedophile Pennsylvania' and show me where some guy did something with some underage boy/girl in my state. I'm gonna hold my breath, so hurry back.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 02:33 PM (U2UQk)

202 Oh for fucks sake. You have a state registry. Look at it. You'll be surprised, as most cases don't get major coverage. Many cases occur within families, so running front page news outing Joe Blow for sexual abuse of a child would make it easy for the public to identify the victim, which jjournalists are reluctant to do.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 02:33 PM (GmTxn)

203 Here's all the registered sex offenders in Pennsylvania. These are just the ones that got caught.
http://www.city-data.com/so/Pennsylvania.html
Yes, I agree some are bullcrap, like a guy that got busted peeing on a wall that kids could have seen and so on, but not all of them are that kind.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 02:36 PM (zfY+H)

204 Then please, prove me wrong. BING/GOOGLE 'sexual predator/pedophile Pennsylvania' and show me where some guy did something with some underage boy/girl in my state.

I'm gonna hold my breath, so hurry back.

Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at November 04, 2013 06:33 PM (U2UQk)

You just cannot be this dense.

Posted by: troyriser at November 04, 2013 02:41 PM (gNlvW)

205 Pennsylvania population 12,760,000. If four per thousand (as someone mentioned above) is the 'going rate' then you should have found 3,200 non-repeating occurrences within minutes. Yet, I can only find one, Jerry Sandusky. If you like your big government, searching for a non-existent problem, I can assure you you'll continue to have your big government.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 02:44 PM (U2UQk)

206 People who describe child rape as a non existent problem are really fucking creepy.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 02:46 PM (GmTxn)

207 People who describe child rape as a non existent problem are really fucking creepy.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 06:46 PM (GmTxn)

Agreed. I'm just curious to see how adamant he gets about it.

Posted by: troyriser at November 04, 2013 02:48 PM (gNlvW)

208 People who describe child rape as a non existent problem are really fucking creepy. People who choose not to prove me wrong with convincing evidence, or in fact any evidence at all, are beneath contempt. So there's that.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 02:50 PM (U2UQk)

209 SchrÃ¶dinger I understand and to some extent share your suspicion and concern about government creating solutions to minor or nonexistent problems but this one is very real. Most of these incidents don't get reported to the authorities, and the ones that do tend to not get a lot of attention for reasons listed above.
I do encourage you to look at the link I gave you. There's a LOT of info there, and that's only what got reported.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 04, 2013 02:51 PM (zfY+H)

210 IF THE MEDIA DIDN'T COVER IT, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!! /creep

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Timing at November 04, 2013 02:57 PM (GmTxn)

211 Child rape? Come on dude, even I've heard of that.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 04, 2013 02:59 PM (GmTxn)

212 OMG!! Anyone who wants actual proof of sexual predators in Pennsylvania is creepy!!! Asking for the media to cover a story, like they did 24/7 for weeks with a caravan of satellite trucks outside of the Penn State executive office buildings, is not seeing the TRUE STORY of thousands of these people in Pennsylvania. Enjoy your delusions. Sorry if I asked you for some proof and you decided to make this an emotional vs fact-based witch hunt. I'll sleep fine tonight. You can persist in your obsession. *shrugs* I'll try to figure out some way to pay my tax bills to cover a near non-existent issue which could be made completely non-existent by better parenting, or using an AR-15 on those dudes that piss behind a polar tree.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 03:08 PM (U2UQk)

213 According to ace, then wouldn't the cartoons be enough to convict? Posted by: Jollyroger at November 04, 2013 05:20 PM (t06LC) According to Wikipedia (a true godsend to those of us who never earned their GED in law), the PROTECT act of 2003 criminalized "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting" of children engaged in sexual acts. There is an exception for anything that isn't "obscene," that is, if it has some sort of redeeming value, but I suspect that's a "no true Scotsman" sort of qualifier. "If it has redeeming value" keeps SCOTUS from squashing it the way CPPA was, but no court or law enforcement jurisdiction will ever recognize something like that to have "redeeming value." FYI, apparently there are already cases where men have gone to jail for possession of hentai depicting minors (and one case bizarrely involving Simpsons characters), although apparently it varies state by state. I'm not sure how much longer I want to think about this.

Posted by: Hal at November 04, 2013 03:09 PM (2wZs/)

214 Creepazoid Eliminate the spaces, I'm on a phone and can't do tiny url pameganslaw. state. pa. us

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 04, 2013 03:16 PM (GmTxn)

215 I'm not sure how much longer I want to think about this. I'm with you. I don't want to think about it either. But I sleep soundly at night, knowing my daughter is now married. But then she pulled up the sexual predator map in the area near where she lives and OMG, they're everywhere. I then asked her to BING/GOOGLE 'sexual predator' cases in her area and she can't find anyone except some hunters who peed behind a poplar tree. So there's that. Though I don't think she'll be planting any polar trees in her backyard anytime soon.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 04, 2013 03:18 PM (U2UQk)

216 I'll try to figure out some way to pay my tax bills to cover a near non-existent issue which could be made completely non-existent by better parenting, or using an AR-15 on those dudes that piss behind a polar tree.

Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at November 04, 2013 07:08 PM (U2UQk)

A quick glance at the sex offender registry of Pennsylvania (and every other state) would prove to any reasonable person that (a) there are thousands of men and women across the country (and by implication across the planet) who are sexually attracted to minors and act on that attraction; and (b) those who are caught are just a segment of that total population, which means the problem is not non-existent.

Of course, the (c) in that argument is that you're a contrarian asshole who hates being proven wrong more than anything.

Posted by: troyriser at November 04, 2013 03:18 PM (gNlvW)

217 Thought crimes are not crimes. Just because we enjoy reading/watch stories of violent movies does not mean we want to commit violence. There are pedophilia/rape/incest written in famous novels like Game of Thrones. Does that mean George R Martin is a criminal for producing such vile content? Are the lines really being drawn between text and visual format? Its okay if its expressed in text format, but not okay if its drawn with the same pencil?

Posted by: oic at November 04, 2013 05:37 PM (3z1ts)

218 @56

Three strikes is being entirely too kind. I'm of the opinion that one strike is it. Cut their nuts off and make them eat 'em.

Posted by: Intrasigent Bastard at November 04, 2013 06:01 PM (R5lpX)

219 Does that mean George R Martin is a criminal for producing such vile content? Are the lines really being drawn between text and visual format? Its okay if its expressed in text format, but not okay if its drawn with the same pencil?

Posted by: oic at November 04, 2013 09:37 PM (3z1ts)

Straw man: no one is advocating the arrest of anyone for thoughtcrime. However, certain acts, such as the production and sale of drawn or rendered child pornography, have been traditionally banned because the intent of the act constituted depravity. For example, cockfighting has been banned in--to my knowledge--all states, yet chicken farms are still very much in business even though the result in both instances, chicken farms and cockfighting arenas, is dead chickens.

But hey, no worries: I'm sure drawn and rendered child pornography indistinguishable from the genuine article will soon be legal and available, and a few years after, once the door opens a little wider, so will children. Pedophiles are exceedingly well organized, well funded, and very committed. The more degraded a society becomes, the fewer people there will be to stand against them.

Posted by: troyriser at November 04, 2013 06:17 PM (gNlvW)

220 The largest contingents of named suspects on the dossier came from the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, Germany, Turkey, Italy and the Netherlands. In all, the charity identified suspects in 71 countries. The MATH: United States population 300 million Britain population 63 million Canada population 34 million Australia population 22 million Germany population 81 million Turkey population 80 million Italy population 61 million Netherlands population 17 million Total 658,000,000 (can not determine population of other unidentified countries) Pedophile suspects identified 1,000 Incidence rate: 1,000 out of more then 658,000,000 Or: 1 out of more then 658,000 The bastards are sick pups, but at least there aren't that many of them, 'predator maps' indicating to the contrary.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 05, 2013 02:42 AM (U2UQk)

221 I don't understand your point about writing this , are you against this technology or what?

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