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October 24, 2013

READY TO POST// A-stan Reconstruction IG: lots of problems with Garzez hospital
— Purple Avenger

Other people are already jumping on the $500/gal payments made for diesel fuel, but as bad as that is, it was only a $300k rip off; mere pocket change as overcharging goes.

OK, that ripoff was newsworthy in its own right and the $500/gal figure certainly makes for good headlines and great one-liner standup jokes.

However, the most outrageous part of the Gardez hospital debacle is going largely unmentioned. You have to read a bit further into the IG's report to find it.

...The new 100-bed Gardez hospital is being built to replace an existing 70-bed hospital in the town of Gardez, Paktiya province. In an April 2013 audit report on health services in Afghanistan, we noted that the Afghan government may not be able to sustain the new Gardez hospital once it is completed.
We also found that the new hospitalÂ’s annual operation and maintenance costs could exceed five times the annual operating costs for the hospital that it will be replacing. For example, the existing Gardez hospital has annual operating costs, including generator fuel costs, of about $611,000, and USAID estimated that the annual generator fuel costs alone for the new hospital could be as much as $3.2 million...

Go ahead and read the whole report. Its not that long and its an eye opener. It references an organization called IOM as being mostly responsible for "lax controls" on the overcharging. I'd never heard of IOM before, but it sounds like a group you'd want to avoid like the plague in the future.

Old hospital annual costs = $8,700/bed.
New hospital annual costs = $32,000/bed.

Beware of Americans bearing "gifts"

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 09:12 AM | Comments (118)
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1 Old hospital annual costs = $8,700/bed.
New hospital annual costs = $32,000/bed.

I thought foreign nationals were exempt from Obamacare.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 24, 2013 09:14 AM (/kI1Q)

2 But are they giving out free birth control and abortions? because that's what really matters. /sarc

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2013 09:15 AM (JRmiD)

3 Boy, you're gonna carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time

Posted by: KPMG at October 24, 2013 09:15 AM (e8kgV)

4 Does IOM stand for CGI?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 09:16 AM (IXrOn)

5 IOM seems to be staffed with the same people that paid for the healthcare.gov site.

Posted by: EC at October 24, 2013 09:16 AM (GQ8sn)

6 IOM, c'est moi.

Posted by: Barrack Louis Obama at October 24, 2013 09:16 AM (w4IDR)

7 You know I'm having a day where everything I touch goes to hell apparently I need to get a job in the government.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at October 24, 2013 09:16 AM (FaKUv)

8 Worked at DTRA for a few years doing this sort of thing. They always build shit the locals cannot afford. Requirements come from State Department cocktail parties and the bottom line is to grease some faction within the host state.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 24, 2013 09:17 AM (oDCMR)

9 We're here from the US government and we're here to help

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter, M.D. at October 24, 2013 09:17 AM (e8kgV)

10 No one at IOM has ever pumped gas themselves and noticed the price per gallon of diesel?

Posted by: EC at October 24, 2013 09:17 AM (GQ8sn)

11 Gross overpayment for hospital "management" is an Obama family tradition

Posted by: wooga at October 24, 2013 09:17 AM (w4IDR)

12 Hey you know what? I posted the IG's numbers...we're paying 500 bucks a gallon for Diesel over there... the whole Federal Govt is a RICO case.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 24, 2013 09:17 AM (9jfyN)

13 Maybe the cost of the gas was so high because they had to import it from Brazil or some place? I mean, it's not like there's a local source that might have been cheaper...

Posted by: Lizzy at October 24, 2013 09:18 AM (JRmiD)

14 Graft and corruption in a nation building project? Who could have foreseen such a thing!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 24, 2013 09:19 AM (xz0nG)

If it's the International Organization for Migration, then I am familiar with them, though not for some years.

Dealt with them back in the 90s as part of assistance programs to the former Soviet republics. Colleagues with more refugee background had worked with them all over the world.

As NGOs in that field went, they were pretty solid. But each project is different - cannot shed any light on this apparent fiasco. Though I will add that back then there was a fairly ingrained bias at USAID against capital projects (well-founded) - partly, I think, based on Afghan projects in the 60s/70s, ironically enough.

Too busy to look into it, but IOM was not really the sort to do capital projects. They were more about building capacity for rule of law, dealing with refugees and migrants, etc. Hey - they ought to open up some projects in the US, where an immigration-related collapse in rule of law is devastating the country! (quietly in some respects, more openly in others)

Posted by: non-purist at October 24, 2013 09:20 AM (afQnV)

16 But shoot it in the right direction
Make making it your intention-ooh yeah
Live those dreams
Scheme those schemes
Got to hit me
Hit me
Hit me with those laser beams

Posted by: Frankie Goes To Kabul at October 24, 2013 09:22 AM (e8kgV)

17 I'd never heard of IOM before, but it sounds like a group you'd want to avoid like the plague in the future.

On the IOM "About Us" page, it says they've been operating since 1951! If they've been operating like this for the past 60 years, how the hell are they still in business? Someone would've said something by now or noticed how money seems to vanish when they're running things.

Posted by: EC at October 24, 2013 09:22 AM (GQ8sn)

18 Fraud, waste, and abuse in "foreign aid"? You don't say. We'll just have to get an allocation to "investigate" that.

I know a good firm for that.

Posted by: Obamanite Dog Hind Leg at October 24, 2013 09:22 AM (zZbNF)

19 If you've read the John Christian Falkenburg III books, what's going on looks scarier.
Case in point,
Why does this hospital deal remind me of when JCFIII knows that the stadium on that planet was built by a Senator Bronson-owned company?

Posted by: Veeshir at October 24, 2013 09:23 AM (dKqLR)

20 And the MFM and all the libtards raised hell about Halliburton who did their stuff for cost plus $1.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:24 AM (zZbNF)

21 Didn't Emilio Largo work for he International Organization for Migration ?

Posted by: Count Lippe at October 24, 2013 09:24 AM (e8kgV)

22 I've never heard of *that IOM* before. Where the fuck did they come from?

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 24, 2013 09:25 AM (GaqMa)

Our IOM grants were fairly small, as they deal with, as I said, capacity-building (training locals, essentially) in process issues related to dealing with refugees, displaced persons, etc. Pretty small potatoes, and often fairly well-spent, to the extent any foreign aid can be. Teach a man to fish, etc.

My displeasure over this apparent boondoggle pales, though, alongside my cold fury and despair over all the American (and coalition, and good Afghan) lives that will end wasted because - above all else - the US is not a serious country, but sends (well, used to) its exceptional military to do serious tasks. And this pre-dates the still-unbelievable debacle that is the Obamination - the degradation that made it possible to have ever HEARD of him is the same thing that will make Afghanistan such a waste.

Posted by: non-purist at October 24, 2013 09:26 AM (afQnV)

24 See? $3/gal doesn't seem so bad now, does it?

Posted by: the MFM at October 24, 2013 09:27 AM (tHXgZ)

25 You know I'm having a day where everything I touch goes to hell apparently I need to get a job in the government.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at October 24, 2013 01:16 PM (FaKUv)

Yep. I never knew anyone in the MA power structure to be able to get a no-show job at the MTA or the State House. If I had, what would I have to worry about now? I'd be double-dipping, retiring on a fat pension and living large.

BTW, cute hash.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 09:28 AM (zF6Iw)

26 OK, apparently we're trying to kill radical Islam with compassion. I'd prefer a more direct approach but if this works, I'm all for it.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 24, 2013 09:29 AM (XUKZU)

27 ot early but, the hidden source code in obamacare that says "You have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication of any data transmitted or stored on this information system." it is not a joke, as this buffoon states Just a few minutes earlier, however, Ms. Campbell testified under oath that the ObamaCare website is HIPAA compliant -- meaning everyone's medical and personal information is protected by law. The privacy section on the ObamaCare website says your privacy will be protected. The hidden source code seems to say, "just kidding." very funny, ha. ha. just like the 1800 f*ck yo number. ha. ha. we're all laughing while the nation circles the drain breitbart's biggov

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 09:30 AM (IXrOn)

28 I think I'm going to call it quits for the day on the HQ; the threads are just too depressing. See you all tomorrow. Prayers for you, Carol.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 09:30 AM (zF6Iw)

29 A govt project that is way over budget? NO WAY!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:30 AM (0LHZx)

30 Breaking the law, breaking the law
Breaking the law, breaking the law
Breaking the law, breaking the law
Breaking the law, breaking the law

Posted by: Secretary Syphilis at October 24, 2013 09:31 AM (e8kgV)

Vic, dammit, wasn't going to drone on about that, but .....

Yeah, the ridiculous "outrage!" back in 2003 about some no-bid contracts to companies to truck gasoline through Iraq (gee, what could be hazardous about that, ya think??? hmmmm) when such supply was critical. Misportrayal of basic facts and absurd slanderous public abuse by vermin like Waxman in his committee.

All part of the process that soured me on the US.

Posted by: non-purist at October 24, 2013 09:31 AM (afQnV)

32 What really pisses me off is the realization that a SeaBee company could have the damn thing built in about a week.

Posted by: Country Singer at October 24, 2013 09:31 AM (L8r/r)

33 Maybe they're building it with the knowledge it'll never run with all the equipment in place? How much "shrinkage" does a place like that experience over the course of a year? I'd imagine a week after an MRI is in place, it's sold to a hospital in Dubai, China or Russia for half price. If the genny doesn't have to power said MRI, it'll take a few less tank-fulls per month.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 09:32 AM (sByIH)

OT, sorry, on Drudge Limbaugh is saying that the 404care opt-out penalty cannot be enforced without a tax refund. Well duh. That's the question I've been asking for a while now - how will they collect a penalty from the bums who refuse to work and are living under the radar? They will get their free healthcare and wealth redistribution without any penalty at all. Am I missing something here?

Posted by: Havedash at October 24, 2013 09:32 AM (BRhGr)

35 Yep. I never knew anyone in the MA power structure to be able to get a no-show job at the MTA or the State House. If I had, what would I have to worry about now? I'd be double-dipping, retiring on a fat pension and living large. BTW, cute hash. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 01:28 PM (zF6Iw) Several years back, I had a shot at a government job and turned it down. Boy was I stupid. Yeah, that's a hash from the phone. I may have to keep posting from there just to keep it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 24, 2013 09:32 AM (VtjlW)

36 So Beckel gets "bludgeoned" by the SCOAMF administration, and then the CNN reporter admits: Â“President ObamaÂ’s people can be quite nasty. They donÂ’t like you to say anything bad about their boss, and theyÂ’re not afraid to use whatever means they have at hand to stop you from doing that, including threatening your job.Â” even the Times admits the bullying. still, no one wakes up to the bully in chief making this all happen

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 09:33 AM (IXrOn)

37 I think I'm going to call it quits for the day on the HQ; the threads are just too depressing. See you all tomorrow. Prayers for you, Carol. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 01:30 PM (zF6Iw) yeah, time to go work out before I don't...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 24, 2013 09:34 AM (IXrOn)

38 Am I missing something here? Yep, you're missing the fact the IRS will collect your "tax" (penalty) for not having the insurance BEFORE they put the rest of the money they hold for taxes. Then if you're short (because you expected to get around paying the "tax") they'll go after you for not paying your taxes.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 09:35 AM (sByIH)

39 Several years back, I had a shot at a government job and turned it down. Boy was I stupid. Wouldn't have been worth killing some fool & stuffing their body in a broom closet.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 09:35 AM (cUARf)

40 I really have no compassion left in me for this kind of crap. We didn't break it. We don't have to buy it. It was a shit hole when we got there.

Posted by: no good deed at October 24, 2013 09:36 AM (k55Fc)

41 The new hospital has a new website too. It doesn't work but it cost $600 million.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 24, 2013 09:37 AM (8ZskC)

42 Yep, you're missing the fact the IRS will collect your "tax" (penalty) for not having the insurance BEFORE they put the rest of the money they hold for taxes. Then if you're short (because you expected to get around paying the "tax") they'll go after you for not paying your taxes. Posted by: bonhomme at October 24, 2013 01:35 PM (sByIH) _________________ Not even close to accurate. Only way the tax can be collected is from a refund. No refund, no obamacare tax. Simple as that. It is spelled out in the law. It's on the IRS website in plain English as well.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:38 AM (0LHZx)

43 It is spelled out in the law. It's on the IRS website in plain English as well.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:38 PM (0LHZx)

Wow. It HAS to be inaccurate if it is in plain English on an IRS website!

Ha ha.

Posted by: Ian Galt at October 24, 2013 09:39 AM (QdOC1)

44 OT, sorry, on Drudge Limbaugh is saying that the 404care opt-out penalty cannot be enforced without a tax refund. Well duh. That's the question I've been asking for a while now - how will they collect a penalty from the bums who refuse to work and are living under the radar? They will get their free healthcare and wealth redistribution without any penalty at all. Am I missing something here?

Posted by: Havedash at October 24, 2013 01:32 PM (BRhGr)

It means if you are eligible for a refund but didn't pay the penalty, they withhold your refund.

If you owe a penalty and paid income tax at the end of the year (i.e. no refund) and don't pay your penalty, they can't do shit.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 09:41 AM (x3YFz)

45 It is spelled out in the law. It's on the IRS website in plain English as well. Hmm, what part of the law allows for several "delays" in implementation?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 09:41 AM (sByIH)

46 Are the camels unionized?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 24, 2013 09:42 AM (0HooB)

47 I put up actual quote of the law. I put up links to the law. All on both the healthcare website AND the IRS web site.

But some people obviously do not read comments. Perhaps we should get a COB to put a link and title in the side bar.

The ONLY way they can get your penalty tax is to withhold a return. ONLY

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:42 AM (zZbNF)

48 Why is that Limbaugh thing on Drudge in red? This isn't some new revelation. It's been "news" for 3 years since the law was passed.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:42 AM (0LHZx)

49 In unrelated DOOM news, AP reports that violent crime increased by 15% nationwide in 2012.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 24, 2013 09:43 AM (ZPrif)

50 42--- This is my understanding as well. No refund, no need to pay the fine. Which means that all of those people relying on EIC and other credits are the ones who will be screwed the worst.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 09:43 AM (dfYL9)

51 Are the camels unionized? Cross the picket line and we'll beat the humps off ya!

Posted by: Camels Local 142[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 09:43 AM (sByIH)

52 All that overpayment shiz is going straight to Campaign for Hilldawg 2016 - and she'll get it straightened out after she's President.

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 09:43 AM (3ZtZW)

53 The ONLY way they can get your penalty tax is to withhold a return. ONLY What part of the law allows high-ranking gov't officials to hide communications by creating personal email accounts and conducting gov't business thereon?

Posted by: Camels Local 142[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 09:44 AM (sByIH)

54 Prayers for you, Carol. Posted by: Mary PoppinsÂ’ Practically Perfect Piercing at October 24, 2013 01:30 PM (zF6Iw) If you are still here MPPP, I appreciate it. Thank you. Carol I wanted to go get a pedicure but they are booked. I didnÂ’t expect that. IÂ’m going to get dressed and go buy the few things Paul wants and Dial soap and be back tonight before it gets dark. I hope everyone has a nice day. Purp, IÂ’m sorry to be O/T. But such is life, especially when I have doubts if my brother will live for me to see him another time. HeÂ’s had too many infections. The nurses are gowned up and wearing gloves to even go in his room. Carol

Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 09:44 AM (mp17o)

55 Violent crime increased 17% in 2011. So two straight years of 15-17% increase in violent crime. America is becoming Brazil with Nukes.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 24, 2013 09:44 AM (ZPrif)

56 Which means that all of those people relying on EIC and other credits are the ones who will be screwed the worst. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 01:43 PM (dfYL9) ______________ Not really. If you're getting EITC then you qualify for Medicaid and so you don't have to buy any insurance.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:45 AM (0LHZx)

57 Rush eviscerating TFG and the $3.7T spent on welfare in 5 years.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 24, 2013 09:45 AM (0HooB)

>>>America is becoming Brazil with Nukes.

O cmon Brazil is a lot freer than we are.

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 09:46 AM (3ZtZW)

59 What part of the law allows high-ranking gov't officials to hide communications by creating personal email accounts and conducting gov't business thereon? Posted by: Camels Local 142 at October 24, 2013 01:44 PM (sByIH) ___________ Then using your logic no law on the books matters anymore because some people break the law.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:46 AM (0LHZx)

60
America is becoming Brazil with Nukes.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 24, 2013 01:44 PM (ZPrif)

And Miley Cyrus. Fk me.

*dials Belize*

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 09:46 AM (x3YFz)

61 Plus, Brazil's economy is heating up.

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 09:47 AM (3ZtZW)

62 Not even close to accurate. Only way the tax can be collected is from a refund. No refund, no obamacare tax. Simple as that. It is spelled out in the law. It's on the IRS website in plain English as well. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:38 PM (0LHZx) Mr Moo Moo, I believe you but they have our bank account numbers for refunds. I do not trust them, any of them. If they can, theyÂ’ll find a way, of TFG will ignore that part of the law.

Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 09:47 AM (mp17o)

63 So Obama has now officially broken a 20 year decline in crime rates. Both Clinton and Bush saw major reductions in crime.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 24, 2013 09:48 AM (ZPrif)

64 - the degradation that made it possible to have ever HEARD of him is the same thing that will make Afghanistan such a waste. Posted by: non-purist at October 24, 2013 01:26 PM (afQnV) WE are the Roman Empire.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 09:48 AM (bb5+k)

65 We have a new category

Refund Penalty deniers

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:48 AM (zZbNF)

66 How do we know that Ace isn't being held against his will and having all his manly essence milked from him by some supernatural ladies' cult? You know, like that god awful Nick Cage remake he adores? After they use Ace's "essence" to knock up all the woman, they will set him on fire. They've probably already lit the torches. Halp! Halp! We gotta save Ace!!!1!!1!

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at October 24, 2013 09:49 AM (As/N8)

67 The law is what Barry says it is. No more and no less. Who's going to stop him ?

Posted by: ScoggDog ... calls bullshit at October 24, 2013 09:49 AM (+IPd1)

>>>>>So Obama has now officially broken a 20 year decline in crime rates. Both Clinton and Bush saw major reductions in crime.

Which sectors of crime? Violent or Property?

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 09:50 AM (3ZtZW)

69 56 ---Not really. If you're getting EITC then you qualify for Medicaid and so you don't have to buy any insurance. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:45 PM (0LHZx) --------------------- Ah, yes, you're probably right. But I suspect there will be many, especially those with decent coverage that is now being dropped, who will not like being shoved into Medicaid.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 09:50 AM (dfYL9)

70 Then using your logic no law on the books matters anymore because some people break the law. No, that doesn't follow. What I'm saying is that laws constraining large gov't organizations don't matter because the leaders of those organizations are politically protected. Average citizens still have to obey the law because we aren't politically connected.

Posted by: Camels Local 142[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 09:50 AM (sByIH)

71 We have a new category Refund Penalty deniers Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 01:48 PM (zZbNF) Or, Refuseniks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 09:50 AM (XIxXP)

72 Can somebody fisk this? It sounds awful propagandy and vague to me.

http://tinyurl.com/o2uphh5

Posted by: Blueberry at October 24, 2013 09:51 AM (8qoXL)

>>>WE are the Roman Empire

I wish. That'd get us another 500 years or so. We're more like Golden-Age Ghana or something awful like that.

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 09:51 AM (3ZtZW)

74 Then using your logic no law on the books matters anymore because some people break the law. It must not matter when .fedgov employees break them with impunity.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 09:51 AM (cUARf)

75 Hum three threads in ~ 30 min????? Ace rules?

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 09:51 AM (zZbNF)

76 Off darn spot, er sock.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 09:51 AM (sByIH)

77 46 Are the camels unionized?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 24, 2013 01:42 PM (0HooB)

I think they are a local affiliate of the International Sisterhood of Brass Pole Workers

Posted by: Heidi Fleiss at October 24, 2013 09:52 AM (QdOC1)

78 No, that doesn't follow. What I'm saying is that laws constraining large gov't organizations don't matter because the leaders of those organizations are politically protected. Average citizens still have to obey the law because we aren't politically connected. Posted by: Camels Local 142 at October 24, 2013 01:50 PM (sByIH) __________ And obeying the law means you don't pay the tax without a refund.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:52 AM (0LHZx)

79 And obeying the law means you don't pay the tax without a refund. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:52 PM (0LHZx) Don't minimize the "spirit" of the law.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 24, 2013 09:53 AM (XIxXP)

80 And obeying the law means you don't pay the tax without a refund. Wut? The people breaking the law here will be the IRS, not the average citizen. They're the politically connected people.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 09:53 AM (sByIH)

81 It is spelled out in the law. It's on the IRS website in plain English as well. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:38 PM (0LHZx) And you're banking on this "It is spelled out in the law" as having some impact on how it's actually carried out? That sounds naive to me.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 09:54 AM (bb5+k)

82 And obeying the law means you don't pay the tax without a refund. Unless .fedgov decides to break another law & find some way to take it. IOW, business as usual.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 24, 2013 09:54 AM (cUARf)

83 The 2012 FBI UCR is out. Property crime is supposedly down:

http://tinyurl.com/obnrnrt

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 09:54 AM (4tK7k)

84 But I suspect there will be many, especially those with decent coverage that is now being dropped, who will not like being shoved into Medicaid. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 01:50 PM (dfYL9) _________ I hear this often but don't get why. Every doctor I have ever been to accepted Medicaid. My kids' pediatrician which is one of the best in town, accepts it. People have this idea that Medicaid means your doctor is an intern that just graduated from the University of The Dominican Republic. That's just not the case at all. Every hospital accepts it, pretty much every doctor does too.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:55 AM (0LHZx)

85 74 --- We're more like Golden-Age Ghana or something awful like that. Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 01:51 PM (3ZtZW) ------------- Try 1950's Cuba, a mostly prosperous nation ---certainly "2nd world," if not "1st," and in the top five countries of the Western Hemisphere by all indices. Today only Haiti ranks lower.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 09:55 AM (dfYL9)

>>>Property crime is supposedly down

Correlation is not causation, part 6,782: This has nothing to do with the coincidental increase in gun ownership

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 09:56 AM (3ZtZW)

87 Yeah, people seem to forget the Roman Empire analogies imply we have many centuries left on top. Usually they mean it as a warning of imminent collapse. But that's not how Rome fell. It was long and drawn out.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 24, 2013 09:56 AM (ZPrif)

88 And you're banking on this "It is spelled out in the law" as having some impact on how it's actually carried out?

That sounds naive to me.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 01:54 PM (bb5+k)

well fuck it. What's the point of even having laws anyway, right? Govt selectively enforces/obeys them.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 09:56 AM (x3YFz)

89 "The ONLY way they can get your penalty tax is to withhold a return. ONLY

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 01:42 PM (zZbNF)"

That assumes that they will act in accordance with the law and that is a vary large assumption.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 24, 2013 09:57 AM (q1sF4)

90 1950s Cuba is all too apt. Thanks for that. [shudder]

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 09:57 AM (3ZtZW)

91 NO WAR FOR FOREIGN OIL!!!!eleventy!!!

Posted by: Memories at October 24, 2013 09:58 AM (S05wt)

92 What part of the law allows high-ranking gov't officials to hide communications by creating personal email accounts and conducting gov't business thereon? Posted by: Camels Local 142 at October 24, 2013 01:44 PM (sByIH) My point exactly. Nazi regimes do not care what the law says.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 09:58 AM (bb5+k)

93 I realize that Obama's interpretation of the law is, shall we say, fuzzy. But that is for stuff that is fuzzy to begin with. Like, does it actually say anyhwere in the bill that the dates CAN'T be changed? No. However, it does states explicitly that the only way the penalty/tax can be collected is via a refund. It also explicitly says the IRS may not put a lien on ANY asset in relation to the penalty/tax. It's about as clear as it gets. If you go on the assumption that this will be ignored, fine. I just don't see it happening on this particular issue that could not be more clearly stated without any ambiguity.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 09:59 AM (0LHZx)

94 But such is life, especially when I have doubts if my brother will live for me to see him another time. HeÂ’s had too many infections. The nurses are gowned up and wearing gloves to even go in his room. Carol Posted by: CarolT at October 24, 2013 01:44 PM (mp17o) I am sorry that you have to go through this.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 09:59 AM (bb5+k)

95 Kaiser: 1/3 of doctors won't be taking new Medicaid patients

http://tinyurl.com/q3hqztd

Don't make the mistake of assuming your experience is everyone's experience.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 10:00 AM (4tK7k)

96 "well fuck it. What's the point of even having laws anyway, right? Govt selectively enforces/obeys them.

Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 01:56 PM (x3YFz)"

You are starting to catch on to the reality of life in Obama nation.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 24, 2013 10:00 AM (q1sF4)

97 85---"I hear this often but don't get why." Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:55 PM (0LHZx) ----------------------- It varies from state to state.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 10:00 AM (dfYL9)

98 America is becoming Brazil with Nukes. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 24, 2013 01:44 PM (ZPrif) The "Reich" with Nukes. Racist socialist Leader with adoring worshipers in influential places of power.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 10:00 AM (bb5+k)

99 Also, I can totally see refugees from a commie-suck America forming enclaves similar to the Cubans in Florida. We should totes pick where we're gonna go and become a PITA voting block what needs to be pandered to. B/C I never get no pandering dammit.

Posted by: Bigby's Oven Mitts at October 24, 2013 10:01 AM (3ZtZW)

100 No point in arguing this OT shit anymore. BTW, there is an open political/movie thread now.

Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2013 10:01 AM (zZbNF)

101 Then using your logic no law on the books matters anymore because some people break the law. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 01:46 PM (0LHZx) Not "some people". This Particular batch of Nazi-like incompetents routinely break the law.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 10:01 AM (bb5+k)

102 Captain America?

Meh, he got smart and fled this lamer joint decades ago.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 10:02 AM (4tK7k)

103 96 Kaiser: 1/3 of doctors won't be taking new Medicaid patients http://tinyurl.com/q3hqztd Posted by: Purp at October 24, 2013 02:00 PM (4tK7k) ---------------------- Hell, an increasing number of docs aren't taking new MediCARE patients.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 24, 2013 10:02 AM (dfYL9)

104 Don't make the mistake of assuming your experience is everyone's experience. Posted by: Purp at October 24, 2013 02:00 PM (4tK7k) __________ Fair enough. But Kaiser "studies" also said Obamacare would save people money on health insurance. So....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 24, 2013 10:03 AM (0LHZx)

105 Hell, an increasing number of docs aren't taking new MediCARE patients. That's exactly right. Almost all Docs "take MediCare". Whether they'll take NEW MediCare patients is the real question. I say "almost" because it's becoming trendy among Doctors to take cash only.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 24, 2013 10:05 AM (sByIH)

106 Usually they mean it as a warning of imminent collapse. But that's not how Rome fell. It was long and drawn out. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 24, 2013 01:56 PM (ZPrif) Technology has compressed the timeline as far as we are concerned. Never before could a nation get so rich so quickly as did we and our fall will be even swifter.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 10:06 AM (bb5+k)

107 well fuck it. What's the point of even having laws anyway, right? Govt selectively enforces/obeys them. Posted by: tangonine at October 24, 2013 01:56 PM (x3YFz) You and I are on the same page. That is exactly my point. The government will enforce laws on US, but will not enforce laws on itself.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 24, 2013 10:07 AM (bb5+k)

108 But Kaiser "studies" also said Obamacare would save people money on health insurance. So....

...its even worse than Kaiser is claiming. I can accept that.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 10:09 AM (4tK7k)

109 over-100 is ok 4 o/t, Â¿si? Found an old comment from Granny Jan, with nic link www.grannyjanandjihadkitty.com/ and clicked it... don't go there. It's a penis pump etc ad site now. Major frowny-faceness.

Posted by: mindful webworker - Mia Love 2016! at October 24, 2013 10:09 AM (U13jb)

110 Rome's collapse rate was constrained by the walking speed of a man.

Ours is only constrained by the speed of an electron through wire.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 24, 2013 10:10 AM (4tK7k)

111 You can,t always get what you want, but if you pay enough, you get what we bleed.. Cash Can this administration just burn it on the front lawn of the Veiss House? Really folks, does anyone burn more than the current administration, the cost of ink alone would bankrupt some countries..

Posted by: jet Built Around Cannon at October 24, 2013 10:15 AM (bqH6I)

112 As for ASSAstan, the minute we leave those pilgrims will be back burning donkey dung to heat the Hospital..

Posted by: jet Built Around Cannon at October 24, 2013 10:18 AM (bqH6I)

113 As for ASSAstan, the minute we leave those pilgrims will be back burning donkey dung to heat the Hospital..

Posted by: jet Built Around Cannon at October 24, 2013 10:18 AM (bqH6I)

114 The dog excrement that runs the International Organization for Migration is something out of Central Casting for clueless elite types William Lacy Swing: He received his Bachelor of Divinity from Yale University. He did post-graduate studies at the University of TÃ¼bingen in Germany. He was a Fellow at Harvard University from 1976-1977. He holds an honorary degree from Hofstra University (Doctor of Humane Letters), and is an Honorary Fellow of Harris Manchester College, Oxford. He speaks fluent French and German.

Posted by: Public Service Announcement at October 24, 2013 10:37 AM (3CA5o)

115 OK, this is incredibly stupid. I'm stunned, otherwise - speechless.

Posted by: GWB at October 24, 2013 11:46 AM (kEVTZ)

116 We'd need more info to really say whether that gas was overpriced or not. It sounds normal to me. I've spent a lot of time in Afghanistan. They have no oil, no refineries, all of it has to be imported, and that's a very dangerous and expensive endeavor. There is a lot of security and personnel that goes into moving every little drop. The cost depends on exactly where you are. Getting gas out to Kabul is a lot cheaper than some remote FOB. For example, Russian contractors out there charge $60,000/hr for helicopter time, moving personnel or supplies. And they have full flight schedules.

Posted by: Andrew at October 24, 2013 12:40 PM (VjlMj)

117 And not being able to maintain the hospital, no shock there. Go take a look at Iraq after we left. All the stuff we left is falling apart. They've got warehouses full of cereal they had no idea what to do with, for the mice. Huge bases with facilities, power systems, HVAC, etc., all falling apart.

Posted by: Andrew at October 24, 2013 12:44 PM (VjlMj)

118 Call it Obamacare Hospital.

Posted by: teapartydoc at October 24, 2013 01:19 PM (4U98b)

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