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August 04, 2013

A Reasonable Cop
— Dave in Texas

Supporters of Open Carry in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart in Waco TX yesterday. Before they held their gathering they called the police to tell them what they were doing as a courtesy. The officer said they didn't have to do that, but it was a good idea.

I particularly liked how the officer explained the law.

Common sense.

via Guy over on FB

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 09:14 AM | Comments (126)
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1 Texas gives me hope for America.

Posted by: steevy at August 04, 2013 09:17 AM (9XBK2)

2 Someday I'm going to have to move to TX. With my luck it'll be at the same time that every asshole from every blue state in the country decides to do the same. *sigh*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at August 04, 2013 09:19 AM (CA2NO)

3 I carry, and every interaction I've had with a cop when carrying has gone well. I show em my CHL with my DL, they ask me if I'm armed and I say yes, it's (in a holster in my back, in the console next to me, wherever the heck it happens to be) and that's it. They don't ask for it, they just move on to the reason I got pulled over. ... As it turns out you're not supposed to spank it while operating a motor vehicle. I did not know that.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 04, 2013 09:20 AM (pUqSw)

As it turns out you're not supposed to spank it while operating a motor vehicle.

Then the terrorists have already won.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at August 04, 2013 09:24 AM (o5q2C)

5 We need more Texases and fewer Massachusetts.

Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 09:25 AM (lZvxr)

6 As it turns out you're not supposed to spank it while operating a motor vehicle. I did not know that. Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 04, 2013 01:20 PM (pUqSw) This is another reason why it's a good idea to wear pants while out and about. The Moron Lifestyle is only marginally acceptable to those who aren't "in the know," so to speak.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at August 04, 2013 09:25 AM (CA2NO)

>>> Texas gives me hope for America.

Hiya!

Posted by: Austin at August 04, 2013 09:26 AM (bQTwX)

>>> Texas gives me hope for America.

Reverend!

Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at August 04, 2013 09:27 AM (bQTwX)

9 >>>As it turns out you're not supposed to spank it while operating a motor vehicle. I did not know that.<<<

A handy wipe goes along way toward keeping solvents and lubricants in their proper places.

Posted by: Fritz at August 04, 2013 09:28 AM (K7xnX)

10 We need more police officers like that. I've often thought that in a post-SHTF world, rural police would likely side with the citizenry, urban police with the government, and suburban police would be a coin toss.

Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2013 09:28 AM (sdi6R)

As it turns out you're not supposed to spank it while operating a motor vehicle. I did not know that.

Hey-Ohhhhhhh!

Posted by: Ed McMahon at August 04, 2013 09:29 AM (o5q2C)

12 Yet, you can get expelled for pointing your finger like a gun.

Posted by: zsasz at August 04, 2013 09:30 AM (MMC8r)

13 "As it turns out you're not supposed to spank it while operating a motor vehicle. I did not know that."

That's what window tint's for.

Posted by: Dick (@DicksTrash) at August 04, 2013 09:31 AM (GrtrJ)

14 I've often thought that in a post-SHTF world, rural police would likely side with the citizenry, urban police with the government, and suburban police would be a coin toss. Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2013 01:28 PM (sdi6R) I really think it's going to depend on the cop. Some rural cops have an ego and a power complex like you wouldn't believe.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at August 04, 2013 09:32 AM (CA2NO)

15 It's a fair cop...

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Flying Toaster Circus at August 04, 2013 09:32 AM (m9V0o)

16 Wife and I have kicked around eventually moving to Texas, videos like this make me want to go now.

Posted by: Weirddave at August 04, 2013 09:33 AM (aH+zP)

17 I've often thought that in a post-SHTF world, rural police would likely side with the citizenry, urban police with the government, and suburban police would be a coin toss. Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2013 01:28 PM (sdi6R) Rural cops probably know you or your family. City cops know the local politicians and union bosses. Suburban cops know that you are just another face in the crowd.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 04, 2013 09:34 AM (XdnQT)

18 I love it. And there is a hate sammich store in the background.

Posted by: Infidel at August 04, 2013 09:35 AM (FO/xQ)

19 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 04, 2013 01:32 PM (CA2NO)

Unless you go to church with that officer's parents. That rural, "Wait till I see your mama at church" tends to take them off the power trip, lol.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 04, 2013 09:35 AM (5ae6g)

20 In a post SHTF world, the police that aren't reasonable will be made reasonable. The only reason policing works is that the vast majority of people automatically obey the law and don't defy the police.

Posted by: cranky-d at August 04, 2013 09:35 AM (DVotP)

21 Great cop, clear law, they're doing nothing illegal.

Still... I don't like it. I'm not into needless provocations. Concealed carry works for everyone - I can be armed and the pussies don't have to get the vapors.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at August 04, 2013 09:37 AM (celt+)

22 Some clown ran over a dozen people on the Venice Beach Boardwalk. Can we expect the leftards to call for car control? Wouldn't that logically follow their reasoning? No? Why? Because leftards have no use for reason. They are strictly emotion based imbeciles.

Posted by: maddogg at August 04, 2013 09:38 AM (G1L7J)

23 If the shit really hits the fan, most of the police will just vanish. New Orleans PD for example.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 04, 2013 09:39 AM (l3vZN)

24 Except concealed carry doesn't work for everyone. It works for you, it works for me, but I personally know a dozen people for whom it does not work.

Posted by: BornLib at August 04, 2013 09:41 AM (zpNwC)

25 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at August 04, 2013 01:37 PM (celt+)

However, this is the tactic successfully used by the left. Make people see it over and over again until they're used to it and it becomes publicly acceptable. Why do people freak out when they see a gun? They aren't used to it. If they see it day in and day out, they get used to it, and it becomes a non-issue.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 04, 2013 09:41 AM (5ae6g)

26 Where is the kaboom? I was promised an earth shattering kaboom?

Posted by: RWC - Team Mace FTW at August 04, 2013 09:42 AM (8FeS+)

27 Personally I prefer the "surprise" factor of carrying concealed, but I am in favor of open carry. Like the man said, armed society, polite society. >> That's what window tint's for. Oh fine, now you tell me.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 04, 2013 09:44 AM (pUqSw)

28 I would like to have a gun for protection... mainly for when SHTF (like that, rickl, thanks) world begins. It would be nice to have my own island with fresh water source, too. But baby steps.

Posted by: Gem at August 04, 2013 09:47 AM (zw+pb)

29 Come to Texas, y'all. Friendliest people and the prettiest women.you've ever seen.

Posted by: Lauren at August 04, 2013 09:48 AM (ELdpj)

30 20 In a post SHTF world, the police that aren't reasonable will be made reasonable. The only reason policing works is that the vast majority of people automatically obey the law and don't defy the police. Posted by: cranky-d at August 04, 2013 01:35 PM (DVotP) Karl Denninger wrote a great piece a year or two ago about how the police need to have law-abiding citizens on their side. He pointed out that in a post-SHTF scenario, the police will be vastly outnumbered by criminals, gang members, and other assorted zombies. They will need to have civilian gun owners watching their backs. Which means that it's not to their advantage to alienate law-abiding citizens with imperious behavior, SWAT raids, shooting dogs, and whatnot.

Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2013 09:49 AM (sdi6R)

31 25 However, this is the tactic successfully used by the left. Make people see it over and over again until they're used to it and it becomes publicly acceptable. Why do people freak out when they see a gun? They aren't used to it. If they see it day in and day out, they get used to it, and it becomes a non-issue. Posted by: Country Singer at August 04, 2013 01:41 PM (5ae6g) That is a great point.

Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2013 09:51 AM (sdi6R)

32 Which means that it's not to their advantage to alienate law-abiding citizens with imperious behavior, SWAT raids, shooting dogs, and whatnot. Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2013 01:49 PM (sdi6R) Someone might want to mention that to the cops.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at August 04, 2013 09:51 AM (CA2NO)

33 In a world...

where the polite procedures of "going peaceably armed" are a thing, and the PSH factor fades, I can still see a certain Chuck Connors factor to carrying a long gun. Even if they are safer in many ways.

If your pistol, concealed or open, is in its holster, you're going peaceably armed. If it's in your hand, something is up, and any smart lawman would pull right in to see what that thing is. Assist, intervene, document, what have you: a deployed firearm is automatically police bidness.

With a long-stocked piece, on the shoulder or trail-carry is certainly not a firing position, but it's so close it's hard to tell at a glance. This will be a problem for the honest cop. If you think an in-the-pants holster is an inconvenience, wait until you've gone about your business for a day with a carbine slung backward on your back. It works a lot better on horseback than in a pickup truck.

I'm not against it, just noting that outside combat zones it's a PITA.

Posted by: comatus at August 04, 2013 09:53 AM (JNUY4)

34 Which means that it's not to their advantage to alienate law-abiding citizens with imperious behavior, SWAT raids, shooting dogs, and whatnot. Amen!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 04, 2013 09:54 AM (l3vZN)

35 Which means that it's not to their advantage to alienate law-abiding citizens with imperious behavior, SWAT raids, shooting dogs, and whatnot.

Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2013 01:49 PM (sdi6R)

I used to be totally on the side of the cops. Used to run with a bunch of them out in CA. Still have one that I talk to frequently out there.

But I am no longer on the side of the cops as a default position. The no-knock drug raids, the botched one especially. Shooting dogs and generally being militarized in violation of the use of military in the US against civilians has changed everything.

Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 09:56 AM (lZvxr)

36 Get the feeling that if this Waco cop had been in charge at THE Waco, a commune of BranchDavidians would today be mildly annoying the neighbors, and Koresh would be paying child support in monthly installments?

Posted by: comatus at August 04, 2013 09:58 AM (JNUY4)

37 OT: Any morons moving last night? http://www.myfoxny.com/Story/23040313/police-man-drove-drunk-in-burning-truck

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 04, 2013 09:58 AM (l3vZN)

Cops in OKC are, for the most part, pretty integrated into the populace. I know numerous cops here and it's evident from what they say if TSHTF, they'd be together with us. It is comforting.

I guess the secret to the bad times will be not to get caught in a place like LA or Chicago when the balloon goes up.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2013 10:00 AM (oPI5z)

39 I don't really support open carry, it's a pretty big can of worms...

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 10:01 AM (IPz9m)

40 The image that pops into my head is the Israeli woman with a rifle slung over her shoulder, escorting the school kids. Not a damn thing wrong with that!

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at August 04, 2013 10:03 AM (u6lBN)

41 One of those guys should had a 30-30 slung over their backs. heh. There is a HUGE debate here in TX about open carry. At the TX CHL forum there are often arguments that go on and on.

The main thing is, even where it is legal, it has been shown to panic folks and upset certain LEOs. I don't know how you undo 100 years of anti-gun. Think about the frontier west. One of the first ways a city could show that it was becoming modern and civilized was controlling who carried what, where. ( I can't back that up, but I saw it in some movies.. once )

Posted by: Yip at August 04, 2013 10:03 AM (/jHWN)

42 Ok, maybe I should qualify that a bit: pistol open carry I'm more supportive of, but def not long guns. It doesn't even make sense anyway.

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 10:04 AM (IPz9m)

43 I don't really support open carry, it's a pretty big can of worms...

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 02:01 PM (IPz9m)

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Then please, please, please don't move to OK or TX.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2013 10:05 AM (oPI5z)

44 43 I don't really support open carry, it's a pretty big can of worms... Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 02:01 PM (IPz9m) ------------------------------------------- Then please, please, please don't move to OK or TX. or arizona

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at August 04, 2013 10:05 AM (8JJ6O)

45 Sorry guys, no promises. Heh.

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 10:07 AM (IPz9m)

46 Where are all the dead children - what with bringing back the days of the old west and all?

Posted by: sluggo at August 04, 2013 10:07 AM (vVv3V)

47 42 Ok, maybe I should qualify that a bit: pistol open carry I'm more supportive of, but def not long guns. It doesn't even make sense anyway. Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 02:04 PM (IPz9m) How else am I going to carry a long gun but openly?

Posted by: BornLib at August 04, 2013 10:07 AM (zpNwC)

48 I like being able to pull out my gun when I stroll around the neighborhood.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at August 04, 2013 10:07 AM (bQTwX)

49 how the police need to have law-abiding citizens on their side

Most police work is reactive unless they stumble onto something in progress.

They need it even in non-SHTF scenarios...or you wind up with Chicago...where nobody knows nuthin and the murders continue unabated.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 04, 2013 10:07 AM (S3yfV)

50 OT Waiting on who will be the 12th Doctor for Doctor Who on BBCA. Its live and now talking with Peter Davidson, the 5th Doctor.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 04, 2013 10:08 AM (0WdQr)

51 And on the flip side you have that POS Harliss who I have no doubt would put you against a wall in a second or less.

Posted by: RWC - Team Mace FTW at August 04, 2013 10:08 AM (8FeS+)

52 Oh, and that officer is a credit to his city. Knows the law and comfortable in his own skin and interacts with citizens with a relaxed demeanor.

And "the Waco" thing turned out the way it did BECAUSE the DEA and ATF handled the whole thing. It was fubar and I'd argue that the local sheriff and local cops wanted nothing to do with any of that raid and if they knew probably argued against it. ( don't know... guessing )

Posted by: Yip at August 04, 2013 10:08 AM (/jHWN)

53 When I first got out of the Navy GA was open carry. I have actually walked into a bank with a model 19 strapped on (same one in that old picture that CBD posted weeks ago).

I also had a concealed carry permit even then in GA. When I moved to SC I went down to the local police station and asked about one in SC and they laughed in my face.

Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 10:10 AM (lZvxr)

54 OT http://shar.es/yfkd3 korean model....warning....it's not pretty....at all....on any level......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at August 04, 2013 10:10 AM (8JJ6O)

55 How else am I going to carry a long gun but openly?

Posted by: BornLib at August 04, 2013 02:07 PM (zpNwC)

Don't?

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 10:10 AM (IPz9m)

56 Cops in OKC are, for the most part, pretty integrated into the populace. I know numerous cops here and it's evident from what they say if TSHTF, they'd be together with us. It is comforting.

I guess the secret to the bad times will be not to get caught in a place like LA or Chicago when the balloon goes up.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2013 02:00 PM (oPI5z)

Yeah, used to be related to a cop via marriage (he was married to my husband's sister and then she died of lymphoma). He said most cops in Oklahoma do not care if you as a non-criminal have a gun in your car--especially if you are a woman--they figure that you have the right to protect yourself. Just be courteous, do not brandish it, and it will be cool.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at August 04, 2013 10:11 AM (kXoT0)

57 but def not long guns

Why? Explain your reasoning.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 04, 2013 10:11 AM (S3yfV)

58 "5 We need more Texases and fewer Massachusetts.

Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 01:25 PM (lZvxr)"

yeah, the Minutemen are not in New England anymore, are they.

Posted by: dissent555 at August 04, 2013 10:11 AM (yR6A1)

59 Isn't it already legal to transport rifles openly in Texas. I thought I read that when I was looking into CC.

Posted by: Lauren at August 04, 2013 10:13 AM (ELdpj)

60 yeah, the Minutemen are not in New England anymore, are they.

Posted by: dissent555 at August 04, 2013 02:11 PM (yR6A1)

There are many snarky things I could do with that statement, but there are a lot of Morons here that are stuck in Massachusetts.

Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 10:13 AM (lZvxr)

61 Someday I'm going to have to move to TX. With my luck it'll be at the same time that every asshole from every blue state in the country decides to do the same. *sigh* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 04, 2013 01:19 PM (CA2NO)

Or you can stop here in Oklahoma...we would love to have you.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at August 04, 2013 10:14 AM (kXoT0)

62 How else am I going to carry a long gun but openly?

Long coats, ponchos, etc. Criminals figured it out a long time ago

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 04, 2013 10:14 AM (S3yfV)

63 The main thing is, even where it is legal, it has been shown to panic folks and upset certain LEOs. I don't know how you undo 100 years of anti-gun. Think about the frontier west. One of the first ways a city could show that it was becoming modern and civilized was controlling who carried what, where. ( I can't back that up, but I saw it in some movies.. once )

Posted by: Yip at August 04, 2013 02:03 PM (/jHWN)

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Saw four guys at a local lake walking around open carry. They got a lot of stares but for the most part no one really reacted to it. Actually, it was kind of nice knowing that someone was around the immediate area armed.

I went to a gun show once where I bought my Enfield. Had to carry it around the fair grounds with me because my wife at the time wanted to shop at some other events going on there. I carried it over the shoulder barrel down and the bolt open. No one asked me to leave. No one got excited and I even got a few questions from guys (also with their wives) on how much I paid for it. No big deal.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2013 10:15 AM (oPI5z)

64 OT Waiting on who will be the 12th Doctor for Doctor Who on BBCA. It'd be nice to have a grizzled middle-aged guy like they used to instead of the pre-pubescent trend they're on.

Posted by: zsasz at August 04, 2013 10:15 AM (MMC8r)

65 Isn't it already legal to transport rifles openly in Texas. I thought I read that when I was looking into CC.

Posted by: Lauren at August 04, 2013 02:13 PM (ELdpj)

It is legal in Oklahoma, most ranchers have a long gun in a gun rack over the back window in plain sight. They need a gun in case they see a rabid animal, have to destroy a cow or calve with a broken leg, or whatever.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at August 04, 2013 10:15 AM (kXoT0)

66 Why? Explain your reasoning.

Posted by: Purp at August 04, 2013 02:11 PM (S3yfV)

I notice noone has responded to comatus's comment.

Anyway, personally, I see it as being unnecessary. Not to say I would vote against such a thing, but I just don't agree.

This doesn't conflict with using a long gun in a situation like a nearby active shooter, but then, I'm no lawyer.

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 10:16 AM (IPz9m)

67 There are many snarky things I could do with that statement, but there are a lot of Morons here that are stuck in Massachusetts.

Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 02:13 PM (lZvxr)

Our hearts ache for our brethren stuck behind enemy lines.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at August 04, 2013 10:17 AM (kXoT0)

68 but I just don't agree.

Reasoned positions have a logic trail that leads to them. Are you saying your position is simply irrational?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 04, 2013 10:17 AM (S3yfV)

69 Good afternoon all, If you consider an open carry meet-up provocative, it might be good to consider why you choose that descriptor. I think that the meet-up is a good way to bring back an acceptance of guns in society. Yes, an armed population is a civil population. We were at a gas station with my nephew who lives out of state and saw a family that was obviously leaving on a camping trip, my nephew's eyes were tea cup saucer sized. I would actually feel more comfortable seeing more people open carry.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at August 04, 2013 10:18 AM (J4Z4U)

70 Reasoned positions have a logic trail that leads to them. Are you saying your position is simply irrational?

Posted by: Purp at August 04, 2013 02:17 PM (S3yfV)

Saying I'm too lazy to think more deeply about it, not worth it.

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 10:19 AM (IPz9m)

71 Here's what the internetz has to say " Long guns (rifles / shotguns) do not have to be concealed, but must be carried in a manner not calculated to cause alarm, and do not require a license." In vehicles " Long guns (rifles / shotguns) do not have to be concealed and may be loaded and within reach. "

Posted by: Lauren at August 04, 2013 10:19 AM (ELdpj)

72 So has the mid-east exploded yet? Or are we going to spend the next month and a half cowering in fear b/c our gubmint doesn't no shit about how to use intelligence intelligently?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at August 04, 2013 10:19 AM (CA2NO)

73 And apropos of nothing whatsoever, I just got an email from Georgia Carry about the annual convention. They're giving away (raffling off) a Ruger SR1911 this year.

Posted by: Country Singer at August 04, 2013 10:20 AM (5ae6g)

74 Statistically proven. A polite society is an armed society. These guys rock.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at August 04, 2013 10:20 AM (HkQRm)

75 Saying I'm too lazy to think more deeply about it, not worth it.

As long as you don't try and have that intellectual laziness translated into law, then I don't care.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 04, 2013 10:20 AM (S3yfV)

76 Guess I should state that the dad had a pistol on his hip.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at August 04, 2013 10:21 AM (J4Z4U)

77
korean model....warning....it's not pretty....at all....on any level......

As KTVU might say, "Ho Lee Fuk"!

How on earth did this woman decide that injecting cooking oil into her own face was a good idea? Sheesh....you practice on hobos first, everyone know that.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 04, 2013 10:21 AM (qoQi/)

78 In other news, it seems that Newsweek has been sold (yet again).

The last gurgle of the flush is imminent.

Posted by: dissent555 at August 04, 2013 10:22 AM (yR6A1)

79 As long as you don't try and have that intellectual laziness translated into law, then I don't care.

Posted by: Purp at August 04, 2013 02:20 PM (S3yfV)

I already said that.

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 10:24 AM (IPz9m)

80 As long as you don't try and have that intellectual laziness translated into law, then I don't care.

Posted by: Purp at August 04, 2013 02:20 PM (S3yfV)
I already said that.

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 02:24 PM (IPz9m)

Arg. I mean, I already said that I wouldn't vote against open carry.

Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 10:25 AM (IPz9m)

81 She yells, "Peter Ca....." And the weather knocks my satellite TV out.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 04, 2013 10:27 AM (0WdQr)

82 peter cushing

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at August 04, 2013 10:29 AM (8JJ6O)

83 The main problem with long guns in vehicles is theft. I think that's why you don't see more of it is because of that.

Here in Arlington, a suburb of DFW, we have certain hot spots where despite extra policing there are smash and grab vehicle break-ins. The LA Fitness is hit a lot. Same with retail area near there. The cops are constantly telling folks, EVEN with large lit up signs, that is is a problem and not to lock valuables in their cars. Pathetic really.

Posted by: Yip at August 04, 2013 10:30 AM (/jHWN)

84 capaldi

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at August 04, 2013 10:31 AM (8JJ6O)

85 So the Dunce turns 52 years old today and his reaction to Al Qaeda gun runners presenting him with a birthday cake is to lock down our embassies?

Looks like little Barry still hasn't figured out who his allies are, eh?

Posted by: Fritz at August 04, 2013 10:31 AM (K7xnX)

86
You said your finger was a gun!

Posted by: Terence Mann at August 04, 2013 10:32 AM (4+FWp)

87 Peter Capaldi will be the 12th Doctor. He had already been leaked as such.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 04, 2013 10:33 AM (0WdQr)

88 Used to see a lot of long guns in CO in gun racks in trucks. Not so much anymore. It will be interesting to see how hunting season is this year with all the new fkd up gun laws. I'm sure it will hurt the bottom line for many businesses. Reap what you sow.

Posted by: Infidel at August 04, 2013 10:33 AM (FO/xQ)

89 Fritz you forgot. He locked up the embassies and then went on vacation.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 04, 2013 10:34 AM (0WdQr)

90 Looks like little Barry still hasn't figured out who his allies are, eh?

Posted by: Fritz at August 04, 2013 02:31 PM (K7xnX)

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His foreign policy and actions indicate he doesn't want allies. He wants the US isolated and alone against the world.

He's ginned up a lot of hate for us in the last five years.

Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2013 10:36 AM (oPI5z)

91 59 Isn't it already legal to transport rifles openly in Texas. I thought I read that when I was looking into CC. Posted by: Lauren at August 04, 2013 02:13 PM (ELdpj) And that's why they aren't getting arrested.

Posted by: BornLib at August 04, 2013 10:37 AM (zpNwC)

92 Anyone notice the cop's shoes?

No jackboots.

Posted by: Hasan Rouhani at August 04, 2013 10:37 AM (gqgiP)

93 The main problem with long guns in vehicles is theft.

Trunk. Rumpled dirty blanket. A handful of cheap not worth stealing hand tools tossed on top.

Smash'n grabbers prize speed above all else and won't bust into something where at least one prize worth the crime isn't openly visible.

Anything that extends their stay on-site starts dramatically increases risk of being caught.

Since the ocean of potential victims is so large, they can afford to be highly selective and only make a run at guaranteed winners.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 04, 2013 10:37 AM (S3yfV)

94 "There are many snarky things I could do with that statement, but there are a lot of Morons here that are stuck in Massachusetts.
Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 02:13 PM"

Tell me about it. *sulks in a corner of MA*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 04, 2013 10:39 AM (kSJg9)

95 90 His foreign policy and actions indicate he doesn't want allies. He wants the US isolated and alone against the world. He's ginned up a lot of hate for us in the last five years. Posted by: Soona at August 04, 2013 02:36 PM (oPI5z) But that's impossible. I was assured that he would make he whole world love us.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at August 04, 2013 10:39 AM (sdi6R)

96

Since the ocean of potential victims is so large, they can afford to be highly selective and only make a run at guaranteed winners.

Exactly. a Cow Orker of mine made the mistake of leaving his laptop on the floor of his car, (backseat), while we were in a meeting. Parked in front of a marked police car, (the cop was in the meeting with us). They smashed his rear window, and stole his laptop. In broad daylight. With people around.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 04, 2013 10:42 AM (qoQi/)

97 Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 01:56 PM (lZvxr)

Exactly.

Cops are simply the enforcement arm of big government.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 04, 2013 10:42 AM (gqgiP)

98 In other news, it seems that Newsweek has been sold (yet again).
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Heh. Coming soon, "Buy this house in Detroit, and we'll throw in Newsweek..., no, not a copy of Newsweek, the entire magazine."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 04, 2013 10:43 AM (aDwsi)

99 Some dumbass on Pirros (sp) show last night said we are still dealing with hatred that Bush caused.

Posted by: RWC - Team Mace FTW at August 04, 2013 10:43 AM (8FeS+)

100 Cow Orker?
**Runs to check the Urban Dictionary**

Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 04, 2013 10:44 AM (aDwsi)

101 I don't care that you openly carry a firearm, but it's like gay males who want to put their dick in my face; I don't really care to see it.

Posted by: sum Guy said at August 04, 2013 10:45 AM (mNhv/)

102 Cops are simply the enforcement arm of big government.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo-
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You ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: IRS at August 04, 2013 10:46 AM (aDwsi)

103 In the burning times, long guns will be a LOT more valuable. Pistols are nice and all, but better suited for places/situations where there's still commerce and running water and such.

Posted by: Phinn at August 04, 2013 10:46 AM (/SxiR)

104
So the Dunce turns 52 years old today and his reaction to Al Qaeda gun runners presenting him with a birthday cake is to lock down our embassies?

His little ramadan theater with the muzzies accomplished what? While lil' Barry was declaring to the world that we're bestest friends ever with the muzzies, they were putting plans together to blow us up.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 04, 2013 10:47 AM (qoQi/)

105 Open carry doesn't necessarily mean a long gun.

If I had my druthers, I'd carry a full size pistol on my belt (either my 1911 or my H and K .40) and not bother with concealment.

Unfortunately I live in NJ, where my rights don't count.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 04, 2013 10:47 AM (gqgiP)

106 I am a bit lazy about cleaning out my car of fast food wrappers and such. But I tell myself it makes the vehicle less appealing to potential thieves. yup.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at August 04, 2013 10:47 AM (TIiZt)

107 Purp... I know what you're saying, but a long gun in the trunk isn't a rifle in a pickup window rack like what I remember seeing as a kid. Part of it too is living in the city.

I was speaking to the law as you can have one in your vehicle, loaded and within reach. The law allows for more than is pragmatic , at least around here. Probably always good to go with a long gun in the trunk, but back there it does little good for shit. If you have need for it back there and time to get it, you probably could have avoided the situation.

The smash and grabs are not getting into trunks so much as whatever they can "see" inside, and you are right, it is a fast deal... I guess that's why the cops can't seem to stop it. Wherever the cops sit, the thieves just move over a half mile and hit those pkg lots.

Posted by: Yip at August 04, 2013 10:47 AM (/jHWN)

108 I am a bit lazy about cleaning out my car of fast food wrappers and such. But I tell myself it makes the vehicle less appealing to potential thieves. yup.
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Heh. The cab of my truck is the archetype for those Febrez car freshener commercials.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 04, 2013 10:51 AM (aDwsi)

109 OK, it's been 100 comments so I can go off-topic. My cat Kira often wakes me up in the morning when it's breakfast time. She employs a variety of stratagems, such as tapping my nose or chin with her paw, or tickling my ear with her fluffy tail. This morning I was particularly resistant, so she drove one of her claws into the side of my nose like a thumbtack, drawing a droplet of blood. I said, "Ow!" and got up and fed her. Later I realized that cats have claws in order to help them obtain food. So it worked in this case.

Posted by: rickl at August 04, 2013 10:51 AM (sdi6R)

110 Ace up

Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2013 10:53 AM (lZvxr)

111

Well rickl, you can put a little nose ring in it and be cool.

Posted by: Infidel at August 04, 2013 10:55 AM (FO/xQ)

112 When I travel for work absolutely everything goes in the trunk, no matter how nice the motel we stay at is. Common sense.

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at August 04, 2013 10:57 AM (u6lBN)

113 When I read John Keegans' history of WWII, he mentions that as the Nazi's rolled over Europe, they kept the local Police departments in place, and the cops went along with them.

So I'll side with Vic on this one.

Posted by: HH at August 04, 2013 11:05 AM (XXwdv)

114 Posted by: KG at August 04, 2013 02:24 PM (IPz9m) You have set off my troll radar.

Posted by: eman at August 04, 2013 11:08 AM (AO9UG)

115

I am very conservative and very pro-gun, but it strikes me that carrying a semi-automatic rifle slung over your back in a Wal-Mart parking lot is unnecessary and counter-productive to the gun rights movement. It is also likely to scare or alarm people.

Full disclosure: I was born and raised (and spent a good part of my adult life) in NY, so maybe it's a cultural thing.

Posted by: Paul at August 04, 2013 11:24 AM (1U0k+)

116 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMk208Op1Jc

Posted by: vikings fan at August 04, 2013 11:30 AM (WY3bD)

117 Funny, queers can come out of the closet and it be a good thing for their movement, but you are convinced that guns should stay in the closet to help the pro-2nd amendment movement.

Examine that dichotomy and get back to us.

Posted by: ___________ at August 04, 2013 11:33 AM (j2X6g)

118 91 59 Isn't it already legal to transport rifles openly in Texas. I thought I read that when I was looking into CC.
Posted by: Lauren at August 04, 2013 02:13 PM (ELdpj)

And that's why they aren't getting arrested. BornLib

In Texas, the distinction is between "transport" and "carry." Generally, if you are crossing a county line (or going to some definite place in your home county where logically one would be transporting a rifle or shotgun, like to the range or hunting) and have a long gun in your vehicle, you are clearly "transporting," which is perfectly OK. Having it unloaded and with the bolt out removes any doubt.

If you are just driving around doing your errands with a rifle or shotgun in your vehicle, that's in a gray area. If you're "transporting" it into the grocery store, a little tougher to justify. If you're "transporting" it into the bank, that's just asking for trouble. In all those cases the question is whether you're doing so in a manner that causes others to react. So you're putting an element of another person's subjectivity into it, as Yip points out. Much better, if you need to be armed (e.g., carrying valuables, rough neighborhood, woman alone), to have a concealed handgun, which is perfectly legal if you are licensed.

Local ordinances might be more restrictive.

Posted by: Bill in Chappaqua at August 04, 2013 11:54 AM (QVC7W)

119

ahhh, a weekend cop thread again

let me beat the usual assclowns with 'fuck you ncj, military cops aren't real cops ZOMG!!!!!11!!!1!'

but see, a little courtesy with the popo goes a long way

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 04, 2013 11:55 AM (V75zy)

120 Cops kill armed teen shooter in chase. The two rookie officers, ages 26 and 27, were taken to Jacobi Hospital for ringing in the ears and trauma, police said. Clean Shoot. Ringing in the ears and trauma, anticipating the public unfounded outcry of "Racist Child Abusing Murderers."

Posted by: South Bronx at August 04, 2013 11:58 AM (MhA4j)

121 #120 South Bronx: Absolutely!

Posted by: rabidfox at August 04, 2013 12:00 PM (Gejy0)

122 Ah...been three years since I set foot in that Walmart.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at August 04, 2013 12:05 PM (hIX/c)

123 Marshall Smith didn't allow guns in Abilene. as those cow towns became incorporated they usually banned guns, those cowboys coming up from Texas were a problem

Posted by: occam at August 04, 2013 01:20 PM (OjZ/F)

124

To _______ at 3:33

I'm not saying guns should stay in the closet. I am saying it's not productive to strap a semi automatic weapon to your back and parade around a Wal-Mart parking lot. I am not sure what that accomplishes.

To use your analogy, it would be the same as a homosexual walking around a Wal-Mart parking lot without any pants on and sporting a giant erection. That is quite a bit different than "coming out of the closet." It doesn't bother me if a person is gay; I just don't want them to show me their junk.

Posted by: Paul at August 04, 2013 01:20 PM (1U0k+)

125 apparantly you havent seen a gay pride parade.

Posted by: ___________ at August 04, 2013 02:34 PM (eb70/)

126 If that copper is not an Oath Keeper, he ought to be.

Good video, I think these guys have the right idea starting 'low and slow' and keeping the lid on the emotional aspect. I've seen other open carry vids where there was a whole GeraldoRivera/MortonDowneyJr. thing going on, and really that does more harm than good.

Personally, I've had to starve myself just to buy my handguns (4" .38 fow work, compact 9mm for off-duty), and will have to take a second job to buy the AR15 I want.

...so, of course, I'm looking for a second job.

...and I'm hungry (so to speak).

Posted by: RentaCop at August 04, 2013 03:26 PM (nodit)

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