October 30, 2013

(not ready to publish) Adventures In Wonderland - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse]
— Open Blogger

By now, many of you have read the tweet-saga outlining my experience with Healthcare.gov, but I thought I'd take the opportunity to lay it out in a format more conducive to the story.

Yesterday, I was stoopid.

I ignored the signals, the bright, flashing, red signals, my own instinct, and even Consumer Reports, and I created an account at the new healthcare website.

Here's why:
I am presently on long-term disability leave from my employer. Although I haven't worked in a year and a half, I am still, technically, an employee, but if I cannot return to work prior to my two-year mark, in April, I will be terminated.

Because I am still an employee, I have access to an employee health plan, although that plan comes at a premium due to my non-active work status. For active employees the plan runs just under $50 a month. For the more recently retired and disabled employees, it runs $252 per month. And, it's a pretty good plan. There's an $1700 deductible and a maximum out-of-pocket of less than $4000 per year. The company even makes a generous contribution of $1200 annually to my HSA to help offset the deductible. It's a good deal, and I'm blessed to have it.

A couple of weeks ago I received my enrollment package for 2014. In it, the company presented a new retiree/disabled employee health plan with significantly lower premiums in exchange for higher deductibles and out-of-pocket maximums. Should I choose this plan I would forfeit the annual HSA contribution.

On the surface, looking at the numbers, I would prefer to remain with my current plan but I must also consider the fact that, upon termination of my employment, it will be necessary for me to continue coverage through COBRA and that can be quite costly. Last week, I reached out to our benefits department to inquire as to the cost of the two plans under COBRA and learned that my current plan, presently $252 per month, will rise to $938 per month. However, I never received a reassuring answer with regards to whether the new, lower premium plan would also be available under COBRA or what the cost will be. (Must it be offered through COBRA?)

With this in mind and the deadline to enroll in a plan approaching, I considered the options and decided to check to see, should I lose my insurance and need to go on the exchange, just what my options would be. So, I created an account at Healthcare.gov.

In creating an account I provided my Social Security number, my income, income source ('Other' because it is derived from disability insurance), and checked the box that I have a disability that prevents me from working. They did not request specifics regarding the disability. And, because I was price shopping, I indicated that I have no insurance.

The results were that I am not qualified for Medicaid (as expected) and do qualify for a $9 per month tax subsidy. I was then asked how much of the total annual subsidy I would like to apply to my premiums. Finally, several columns appeared with price ranges for the different plan levels; Bronze, Silver, etc... Of these, all were higher than my current premiums, some significantly higher, but less expensive than the COBRA rate on my current plan.

Having seen enough, and not needing insurance at this point in time, I reached out to "Lacey" via the live-chat feature. I explained to her my situation: Presently insured, simply price-shopping just in case, and asked how to end my session so that I would not be enrolled in a plan, nor would I be charged a tax penalty for failing to enroll. Lacey explained that if I had not chosen a plan, I could simply log out of the system and that if, when I file my taxes in 2014 I can provide proof of insurance, I would not incur a penalty. Easy! So, I logged off.

A few minutes later I logged back in and found that under 'My Plans & Programs' Medicaid was now listed. I immediately hit the 'remove' button, but to no avail. I received a message stating that I could not "Report a Life Change" until November 15th.

How did this happen?

I had already been disqualified for Medicaid eligibility and had been shown the available plans, none of which were Medicaid. I had been assured, by Lacey, that by logging off the system, I would not be enrolled in ANY plan.

My first call to the help-line was answered by "Diana Raines" (spelled phonetically) who after listening to my story said that she had never heard of such a thing and that I would need to contact Medicaid in order to correct the issue. I made certain to clarify that it was the Healthcare.gov system which had, seemingly, enrolled me in Medicaid. She apologized, and gave me a 1-800-Medicaid number to call.

At 4:55 I attempted to contact Medicaid but received a voice-mail system, which seemed odd.

Later, I called the help-line a second time, by then very concerned that I had been erroneously enrolled in a program for which I do not qualify. I spoke with "Wendy Roberts" and again explained the situation. Wendy confidently replied that it was a "glitch" in the system. I asked her whether the "glitch" was contained within the site itself or whether it had been communicated to Medicaid. Have I actually been enrolled in Medicaid or does the system simply state in error that I have been enrolled? Wendy said that she thought the glitch was contained within the site but that I should reach out to Medicaid to be sure. When I pressed her further, expressing my concern, she stated again that it is a glitch in the system and that they are working to correct it.

Before hanging up the phone I asked Wendy whether this had happened to a lot of other people and she responded that she did know because there are so many reps in the call center. I asked her how she knows that this is a glitch, and that it is being worked on, if she couldn't say whether it had happened to others. She then responded that she had taken a call from a man with the exact same problem, only a few days earlier. She said that he returned to the site on another day and that it no longer showed the glitch. Hmmm.

This begs the question: Why the hell is the system still allowing folks to create an account and browse the plans if this glitch was already known? And, if it was already known, how could they not answer the question regarding the containment of the problem within their own system?

I arose this morning and started calling Medicaid at 8:00. The number provided by Diana, at the help-line, 1-800-Medicaid, was a bad number. It belongs to a medical device supplier. My next call was to Florida Department of Children and Families (FL DCF) which administers the Florida program. "Doris" said that I had reached the wrong office and to call 1-888-367-6554 to speak with Medicaid directly. When I reached the number I was told that they are not "Medicaid" but "Medicaid Options" and that I would need to speak with FL DCF. Eventually, I spoke with "Venus" at DCF. Venus verified that I am not presently in the system, however, she also stated that it takes time for an application to be approved. I asked her whether she had received an application from Healthcare.gov and she explained that they would not, until December, when they receive the records from the healthcare site. She said that I should check back, after December 16th, at which time they will be using the new system.

With the information provided by Venus at DCF, I called the help-line at Healthcare.gov again. This time I spoke with "Sherry Leonard" (spelled phonetically). It was a wildly circular conversation; Sherry stated, as had the rep on the prior call, that it was a glitch in the system. She said that I would not be enrolled in any plan until I made my first payment at which point I clarified that I had been, seemingly, enrolled in Medicaid, and that a first payment would not apply. I asked her to verify whether I was, indeed, enrolled in Medicaid to which she replied I am not, and the reason given was that Medicaid would first need to speak with me to complete the application. I asked her if my "application" might be forwarded to DCF, in December, as indicated by my prior conversation with Venus. She put me on hold and when she returned, she stated, again, that it is a glitch in the system that is being worked on. I asked Sherry why, if I am not enrolled and not qualified to be enrolled, Medicaid is listed under 'My Plans & Programs'. She responded that it is a glitch. I asked her why, if applicants must speak with Medicaid in order to complete an application, it does not mention that on the page. What about all the people who will see "Medicaid" listed and assume they are covered? She said that those people will receive a call from Medicaid.

All the while these conversations were taking place, throughout the night and this morning, I have attempted to log back in to the site to see if the "glitch" has been corrected, but the system has been down. I mentioned this to Sherry and she said that she was not able to see my screen. I pressed further, asking how she can verify that I am not enrolled in Medicaid if she cannot use the system, to which... I'm not kidding.... she clarified that she cannot see MY screen.

It is now 1:30 and I still cannot access the system. Neither can the millions of others the Administration claims are just dying to sign up. After my experience, I would argue that the system being inaccessible is the best possible scenario.

I am left to wait for a call from Medicaid that may or may not come. Others who have created accounts but never returned to check the system again, may or not receive the same call. Still others may have seen the "glitch" and, thinking they are enrolled, will not return to choose a legitimate plan. Have we been counted towards the actual enrollment numbers for the program?

Why... how... has a known glitch of this magnitude been permitted to persist?

I don't know the answer to these questions but, I am now tired, and I am frustrated and, frankly, I'd like to give Kathleen Sebelius a piece of my mind.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 03:33 PM | Comments (157)
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1 Call your congressman immediately.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 30, 2013 03:41 PM (oJ5Fd)

2 I thought 1-800 fuck-you was the help line?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 30, 2013 03:44 PM (DHQv9)

3 I second CBD's advice.

Posted by: Y-not at October 30, 2013 03:44 PM (5H6zj)

4 Barak Obama says to buy a Yugo. By the way, the Yugo costs $218,000.00.
If you don't buy the Yugo, you are going to jail.

Posted by: elliot m at October 30, 2013 03:44 PM (zPich)

5 >>> I'd like to give Kathleen Sebelius a piece of my mind. Don't do that to me.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 30, 2013 03:45 PM (tTR4Z)

6 It's all Mitt Romney's fault.

Posted by: wooga at October 30, 2013 03:45 PM (LaNBQ)

7 The once happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with Blood, or Inhabited by Slaves

Posted by: George Washington at October 30, 2013 03:46 PM (g2i/p)

8 In Secretary Sebelius's words, you have had complete success with the web site and the entire ACA Law.   Congratulations.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 30, 2013 03:47 PM (ndlFj)

9 Why are the lyrics and melody to "Runaround Sue" playing in my head?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at October 30, 2013 03:48 PM (NW4xW)

10

My prediction?


P A I N

Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at October 30, 2013 03:48 PM (Pr6hk)

11 Suck on it proles... I never knew my daddy

Posted by: Barky McBamastain at October 30, 2013 03:49 PM (Pr6hk)

12 This saga is why I will never go to an exchange or comply with the ACA. I will pay cash for the doctoring I need and they can just arrest me.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 30, 2013 03:50 PM (qRD8F)

13 Just have the computer thingy guys fix it...

now is this a par-4 or par-5?

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at October 30, 2013 03:50 PM (Pr6hk)

14

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

Posted by: Ronaldo Magnus at October 30, 2013 03:51 PM (Pr6hk)

15 just inflate your tires and turn down the thermostat and we'll all get through this

Posted by: James from Plains at October 30, 2013 03:52 PM (Pr6hk)

16 Kathleen Syphilis deserves more than a piece of "your mind." IYKWIM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:54 PM (uf1pv)

17 To create a roaring clusterfuck on the grandest of scales, you need top men.

Top. Men.


Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 30, 2013 03:54 PM (N2Lrz)

18

So, I take  it the Nigerian prince hasn't been in  contact with you yet?

 

Yup. That's a glitch, all right.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 03:54 PM (0HooB)

19 NDH, sorry about this. I hope that your story will help get the word out that the Government is not some magic organization that can handle any problem you delegate to it, but a bureaucracy grown so large and encrusted that it can barely function. Maybe your trials will be a part of eventually cutting the Behemoth down to its proper size.

Posted by: Splunge at October 30, 2013 03:54 PM (bKA83)

20 NDH, is it possible you'll be back to work before the April cutoff and this will all be moot?

Posted by: NCKate at October 30, 2013 03:54 PM (cdd1u)

21 Kafkaesque.

Posted by: lael at October 30, 2013 03:55 PM (m6RUG)

22 15 just inflate your tires and turn down the thermostat and we'll all get through this Posted by: James from Plains at October 30, 2013 07:52 PM (Pr6hk) QUARANTINED FOR RABBITITUS: NO ONE MAY LEAVE THE PREMISES.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:55 PM (uf1pv)

23 Do we not already have laws on the books regarding FRAUD which is exactly what ACA is and has been sold by BHO and the Dems?

Posted by: Alf767 at October 30, 2013 03:55 PM (QlTaC)

24 Nobodies madder then I that NDH is having problems with the website but I invite her to log on the website to purchase some real insurance, not the crappy plan she had before. And I'll add, NDH would probably be enjoy some better insurance at this moment if the Republicans wouldn't be trying to kneecap her all the time.

Posted by: TFG at October 30, 2013 03:55 PM (IV4od)

25 Call your congressman immediately.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 30, 2013 07:41 PM


If she does so -- and that's the right advice -- I hope she has better luck than I did when MassHealth (yup, the Mutt rMoney plan) screwed up my paperwork.

I won't go through the grimy details, which are in some ways similar to Miz Horse's saga, but when my Congresscritter's aide started digging in, the MassHealth "Congressional Liaison" fed her a pack of untruths and unmitigated bullshit, and nothing got done at all.

The only bad result was that we had to pay full pop for my prescription meds for a time (not easy on my nonexistent budget) 'til the automatic renewal kicked in. Thank G*d I didn't have to go to hospital....

My experience with state-run "healthcare," combined with my utter hatred of any Choom Boy-initiated plan, leaves me in abject fear of how bad the coming meltdown is going to be with federal healthcare.

I hope it's much easier for NDH!

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2013 03:55 PM (kaGpp)

26 Iowahawks tweets usually make me smile or laugh, but this one is horrifying:

"Sebelius should have gone full Sharon Stone."

To his credit, he appended #OrNot. But the damage was done.

Posted by: Splunge at October 30, 2013 03:56 PM (bKA83)

27

NDH

 stupid people cannot create a smart site.

 

I'm sure they're pulling any numbers that they can. to make it look successful.

Posted by: seamrog at October 30, 2013 03:56 PM (fIu3m)

28 Don't try to pin this shit on me.

Posted by: Franz Kafka at October 30, 2013 03:57 PM (N2Lrz)

29 You guys ditched me at the last thread.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 03:57 PM (DmNpO)

30 You did better than me. I've never made it past the account creation stage.

Posted by: MSM Talking Point at October 30, 2013 03:57 PM (ELdpj)

31 My apologies to Dr Spank. As I mentioned, I am nowadays sarcasm impaired.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 30, 2013 03:57 PM (bb5+k)

32 with credit to ee cummings: palin told him:he couldnÂ’t believe it(ryan told him;he wouldnÂ’t believe it)ted cruz certainly told him,and rand (yes mam) paul; and even (believe it or not)you told him:i told him;we told him (he didnÂ’t believe it,no sir)it took a terminated plan from his old insurance provid er;in the seat of his pants:to tell him

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at October 30, 2013 03:57 PM (NW4xW)

33 >>>I pressed further, asking how she can verify that I am not enrolled in Medicaid if she cannot use the system, to which... I'm not kidding.... she clarified that she cannot see MY screen.<<< We'll check. We can see your screen.

Posted by: NSA at October 30, 2013 03:58 PM (74T7W)

34 There was some subsidy for COBRA after the bank bailouts. Like 75 percent, I think. Is that no longer in effect?

Posted by: NCKate at October 30, 2013 03:58 PM (cdd1u)

35 18 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 07:54 PM (0HooB) Dearest one: I am Jan Sibelius, a famous Finnish composer of sonorous symphonies and concerti. Also, a relative of Kathleen Sibelius. I have recently come into possession of certain information that will allow you to log on to and obtain government health care, but I cannot leave Finland without risk of arrest. Please send $5000 US via Western Union to my country home in Accra, Ghana to cover all modalities and this informations will be sent to you. Remain blessed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:58 PM (uf1pv)

36 27 stupid people cannot create a smart site.

I'll bet that even smart people could not create a smart site, if they had to work for CMS, and within Federal Government constraints. Word is that the developers were unable to get permission to look at the logs in the Production system, despite repeated requests. That's like trying to build a ship in a bottle, blindfolded.

Posted by: Splunge at October 30, 2013 03:58 PM (bKA83)

37 26 Iowahawks tweets usually make me smile or laugh, but this one is horrifying: "Sebelius should have gone full Sharon Stone." To his credit, he appended #OrNot. But the damage was done. Posted by: Splunge at October 30, 2013 07:56 PM (bKA83) Piss flaps that resemble a petrified peach pit split in half. Oh my.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 03:59 PM (uf1pv)

38 /sock.

Posted by: Lauren at October 30, 2013 03:59 PM (ELdpj)

39

You guys ditched me at the last thread.

 

The comments got That  Lull to them, so I refreshed the main page and Viola! There you were.

 

You ditched us. Nyah!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 03:59 PM (0HooB)

40 You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all alike...

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 04:00 PM (4tK7k)

41 Nied, we love you.  Sorry about your problems and thanks for putting this up in one long post.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 30, 2013 04:00 PM (n/+FT)

42 Just do what the nice television set tells you to do...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at October 30, 2013 04:00 PM (vHRtU)

43 We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!

Posted by: Barky LePetomaine, PRZ at October 30, 2013 04:01 PM (N2Lrz)

44 Please don't give Sebelius a piece of your mind, she's a bloodless Zombie. Refer to an episode of The Walking Dead for insight on how to rid yourself of her ilk. Warning: It ain't pretty but it's the ONLY WAY. Good luck and Godspeed NDH.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 30, 2013 04:01 PM (WcPHx)

45 The Glitch who stole health insurance. He's a mean one, Mr. Glitch.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 04:01 PM (g1DWB)

46 36 Posted by: Splunge at October 30, 2013 07:58 PM (bKA83) All of this is a Potemkin website. Complete bullshit and they know it and what's more, they could care less. All roads lead to single payer and then... socialist paradise on earth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 04:01 PM (uf1pv)

47 >>> 16 Kathleen Syphilis deserves more than a piece of "your mind." You first, Tiger.

Posted by: fluffy at October 30, 2013 04:02 PM (tTR4Z)

48

"Sebelius should have gone full Sharon Stone."

 

 

I hear that it has toofs in need of a good flossing.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 30, 2013 04:02 PM (DHQv9)

49 It once took me almost three years to straighten out an issue with the IL Dept. of Revenue including three personal trips to their offices; I'm sure the much larger federal gubmint will handle your issue in a prompt and efficacious manner, Ms. Niedermeyer.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 30, 2013 04:03 PM (wNF3N)

50 47 >>> 16 Kathleen Syphilis deserves more than a piece of "your mind." You first, Tiger. Posted by: fluffy at October 30, 2013 08:02 PM (tTR4Z) I didn't say I would, toots. I said she deserved it. After you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 04:03 PM (uf1pv)

51 Simply ask for and fill out a form 456-3C/002. Fill out parts I, II, IV, VI, IX, and IXX Sign in blocks 4, 12, 13 a and c but not b, also 27 and 34 if you have an authorized pin nac number. Have it cosigned by you Doctor in blocks 34 and 172. Include his license profile and practice number. Have it notarized and sent by registered mail to computer glitch resolution center 12, Mail stop 343-2, Pueblo, Colorado. You should receive a response no later than 2018. Simple.

Posted by: Navigator Bill at October 30, 2013 04:04 PM (SzAZ7)

52 Wow, so being completely unemployed results in $9 a month in subsidies...on a $400-600 per month "mandatory" plan.
 
...or you can simply refuse to enroll and get hit with a $2000 "tax"...which comes right off the top of your fat EIC (welfare) refund. 

The Free Shit Army is going to lose their 'effin minds!!

Posted by: Icedog at October 30, 2013 04:04 PM (uZ6Ul)

53 48 I hear that it has toofs in need of a good flossing. Posted by: Cicero Kid at October 30, 2013 08:02 PM (DHQv9) Resembles the Sarlac Pit after a goulash of unknown but chewy meat.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 04:04 PM (uf1pv)

54

All roads lead to single payer and then... socialist paradise on earth.

 

Oh goody. And then we can  have Death Panels and dying of dehydration   in a dank hospital hallway,  alone,   just like Britain.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 04:04 PM (0HooB)

55 All of this is a Potemkin website. Complete bullshit and they know it and what's more, they could care less.

All roads lead to single payer and then... socialist paradise on earth.


Just imagine, the intimate health secrets of an entire nation of lumpenproles, electronically tied into a feeding, growing, mutating federal organism with absolute power over life and death.

Posted by: Barky LePetomaine, PRZ at October 30, 2013 04:05 PM (N2Lrz)

56 Wait, "She said that I should check back, after December 16th, at which time they will be using the new system.", you need insurance on 1 Jan 2014 and they aren't going to start until 16 Dec?

Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2013 04:05 PM (CMlD4)

57 NDH, is it possible you'll be back to work before the April cutoff and this will all be moot? *** It is. I will know more when the doc performs my next echo.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 04:05 PM (DmNpO)

58 40 You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all alike... ---- That reminds me, did everyone see Jimmiebjr's "Zork" version of Obamacare? http://tinyurl.com/q2fkbfb

Posted by: Y-not at October 30, 2013 04:06 PM (5H6zj)

59 If you hate your Medicaid, you will keep your Medicaid.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 04:06 PM (g1DWB)

60 57 That's excellent. Hoping for the best for you.

Posted by: NCKate at October 30, 2013 04:06 PM (cdd1u)

61 1965 = Medicaid 2013 = Medic! AIDS!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 04:07 PM (uf1pv)

62

Where did all these navigators, assisters, etc , come from ?

Acorn, SEIU, community organizations ???

 

Not exactly a group that is experienced and familiar with health care insurance or creation of web-sites.

 

Couple that with the usual governmental ignorance of a paranoid regime and a useless crony friend of mooch.............

 

How could there be problems ?

Posted by: seamrog at October 30, 2013 04:08 PM (fIu3m)

63 Obamacare's got electrolytes.

Posted by: RWC- Human Splatchcock Victim at October 30, 2013 04:09 PM (LpbKr)

64 You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all alike... Posted by: Purp at October 30, 2013 08:00 PM (4tK7k) Hide posts from (4tK7k) It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2013 04:09 PM (qyfb5)

65 but what if the Maharaja Ba Obama wants you to have Medicaid..?

Posted by: mallfly at October 30, 2013 04:09 PM (bJm7W)

66 Yeoman's --or, yeowoman's work-- NDH! Thanks!

Posted by: logprof at October 30, 2013 04:09 PM (4BA+Y)

67 I DL'd the original Fortran 4 source code for Adventure v1.0 a few days ago.  The messages are in a separate text file loaded at run time.  Looks to be ~1,000 lines of Fortran in 3 files.

I was thinking of doing an Obamacare version.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 04:09 PM (4tK7k)

68 Cobra is crazy expensive

Posted by: Zakn at October 30, 2013 04:10 PM (zyaZ1)

69 I called 1-800-F1UCKYO and spoke to someone named T. Shover Robot...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2013 04:10 PM (qyfb5)

70 62 Wheredid all these navigators, assisters, etc , come from ? Acorn, SEIU, community organizations ??? Not exactly a group that is experienced and familiar with health care insurance or creation of web-sites. Couple that with the usual governmental ignoranceof a paranoid regime and a useless crony friend of mooch............. How could there be problems ? Posted by: seamrog at October 30, 2013 08:08 PM (fIu3m) The SEIU and ACORN are there to weed out all non-hackers who don't pack the gear, i.e. anyone who is NOT a Democrat. And then they are there to register voters AS Democrats. The insurance shit is just a beard. This is the world's biggest boiler room operation. And it's all legal. Not legit, but legal. Fucked we be.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 04:10 PM (uf1pv)

71 I got exhausted just reading that.  Can you imagine the headaches involved with this is everyone, everyone encounters one problem or another?  I always hate to call anyone with a problem.  I feel they, no matter who they are, enjoy bouncing you from person to person.  Called the IRS once, asked the same question to four different people and got four different answers, went out and hired an accountant.  Guess, if this law remains, there will be accountants for healthcare.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 30, 2013 04:10 PM (Nx76m)

72

shhh

 

there is a Minotaur at the end of it.  At least she's a horse!

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 04:10 PM (zOTsN)

73 Oh goody. And then we can have Death Panels and dying of dehydration in a dank hospital hallway, alone, just like Britain.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 08:04 PM (0HooB)

Wake up to a chomping mouse.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 30, 2013 04:10 PM (H0R/1)

74 Check out the headline at Drudge. All time high in disapproval. Yea, people are just digging Obamacare.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 04:11 PM (g1DWB)

75

Last night I got an email that my health plan was discontinued and I should sign on to get a new plan.  I signed on the website they had provided, had all the plans laid out to show me monthly cost for me, me and spouse, whole family, what deductibles and copays are, which MDs are part of the plan....I got a pretty decent deal.  All it took was the time for me to review the data and decide.

Oh yeah, it wasn't Healthcare.gov. 

Posted by: keena at October 30, 2013 04:11 PM (RiTnx)

76 USA!  USA!  USA!

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 30, 2013 04:11 PM (6WVi+)

77 An Obamacare version of Nethack would be cool, but the source for NetHack is huge.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 04:12 PM (4tK7k)

78 74 Check out the headline at Drudge. All time high in disapproval.

Yea, people are just digging Obamacare.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 08:11 PM (g1DWB)

Can you imagine if the press was honest?

Posted by: just a citizen at October 30, 2013 04:12 PM (Nx76m)

79 Obamacare: It's A Trap !

Posted by: Ted Cruz' Big Clanging Brass Balls at October 30, 2013 04:12 PM (6Li/H)

80 77 An Obamacare version of Nethack would be cool, but the source for NetHack is huge. Posted by: Purp at October 30, 2013 08:12 PM (4tK7k) Hide posts from (4tK7k) You were killed on LEVEL 2 by a DEAD KOBOLD.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2013 04:13 PM (qyfb5)

81

74- yeah but it's like someone said a couple threads back, this is the Tinkerbell presidency.  If he isn't winning and on top, it's because you are not wishing hard enough for it.

Never. his. fault. Not.ever.

Posted by: keena at October 30, 2013 04:14 PM (RiTnx)

82 there is a secret surprise inside!!

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 04:14 PM (zOTsN)

83
What difference does it make?

-Hillary Clinton


Don't do this to me!

-Kathleen Sebelius


I didn't have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.

-Bill Clinton


This war is lost.

-Hairy Reed


Don't fuck with me!

-Hillary Clinton

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 30, 2013 04:15 PM (pJF+c)

84 Can you imagine if the press was honest? Posted by: just a citizen at October 30, 2013 08:12 PM (Nx76m) Hide posts from (Nx76m) Actually not really.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2013 04:15 PM (qyfb5)

85 You should be thanking me!

Posted by: Bronco Bama at October 30, 2013 04:15 PM (1I4sj)

86

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master."

 

     -George Washington

 

 

 

 *just another dead white guy wacko bird, that knows nothing about our current problems, thank goodness for top men like Obama, Reid and McCain*

 

 *Top. Men.*

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at October 30, 2013 04:16 PM (CbN7e)

87 Call your congressman immediately. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 30, 2013 07:41 PM (oJ5Fd) i'd second this, unless NDH's congresscritter is a leftard. They're busy trying to spin this shit into gold.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 30, 2013 04:16 PM (GaqMa)

88 civil disobedience. let obamacare die in the delivery room.

Posted by: worst president Ever at October 30, 2013 04:16 PM (+eZxu)

89 Daily reminder: The libtards are already blaming the insurance companies for the inevitable consequences of Obamacare. And the media will amplify this bullshit meme. And the low-information voters will believe it. And the Democrats will call for further regulation of the health insurance industry as the solution. And a lot of people will think that sounds like a great idea. We are fucking doomed.

Posted by: WOW at October 30, 2013 04:16 PM (6j8ke)

90 i'd second this, unless NDH's congresscritter is a leftard. They're busy trying to spin this shit into gold. *** Just two months ago I moved from Corinne Brown's district to Ander Crenshaw's district. A drastic improvement.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 04:17 PM (DmNpO)

91 >yeah but it's like someone said a couple threads back, this is the Tinkerbell presidency. If he isn't winning and on top, it's because you are not wishing hard enough for it. Never. his. fault. Not.ever. Or maybe. >>And for the first time in the survey, even ObamaÂ’s personal ratings are upside-down, with 41 percent viewing him a favorable light and 45 percent viewing him negatively. http://tinyurl.com/mzpmwtg

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 04:18 PM (g1DWB)

92

In all, 41 percent of respondents say they have a less favorable opinion of the president since the 16 day government shutdown, compared to 21 percent who say they have a more favorable view since the shutdown.

 

see

 

Cruz is killing us!!!

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 04:18 PM (zOTsN)

93 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 08:17 PM (DmNpO) Then yeah, call now, screenshots later (if you can.) Although I do feel bad because I'd never wish being a congressional prop on anyone.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 30, 2013 04:18 PM (GaqMa)

94 This healthcare.gov site is crazy complicated. Even I couldn't get this turd to work.

Posted by: Rube Goldberg at October 30, 2013 04:18 PM (oFCZn)

95 In creating an account I provided my Social Security number, my income, income source Oy vey. What a horrible ordeal. You are just the tip of the iceberg, I am afraid. Good luck.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 30, 2013 04:18 PM (IXrOn)

96 You quaff the potion.  The potion is poison.  You feel sick.  You faint.  The bureaucrat attacks.  You die.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 04:19 PM (4tK7k)

97 I still am surprised NDH is a woman. I guess I assume things too much. I hope things work out for you, NDH. I was cut off by the govt a few weeks ago and stopped my meds. Feel better, but need to get more soon.

Posted by: Baldy at October 30, 2013 04:19 PM (2bql3)

98

She said that I should check back, after December 16th, at which time they will be using the new system.

 

 

 

So.......Medicaid's computers haven't transitioned to the "new" system yet, either?

 

Have they even  TRIED seeing if the Healthcare.gov programs talk to the Medicaid programs?

 

Isn't Healthcare.gov supposed to be up and running by mid-November (that's 2 weeks from now, folks)?

 

This is gonna get interesting.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 30, 2013 04:20 PM (PZ6/M)

99 Get yourself on Fox. O'Reilly.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 30, 2013 04:20 PM (IXrOn)

100 This is so cool!  Wish I'd thought of it -- though I'd have you send the money to my place in Nairobi, Kenya:

35

Dearest one:

I am Jan Sibelius, a famous Finnish composer of sonorous symphonies and concerti. Also, a relative of Kathleen Sibelius. I have recently come into possession of certain information that will allow you to log on to and obtain government health care, but I cannot leave Finland without risk of arrest.

Please send $5000 US via Western Union to my country home in Accra, Ghana to cover all modalities and this informations will be sent to you.

Remain blessed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2013 07:58 PM (uf1pv)

Posted by: Bronco Bama at October 30, 2013 04:20 PM (1I4sj)

101

I know it's a stupid question, but what are the chances of getting back some of the $500 million that was paid to this Canadian scam artist ?

 

Never mind.

Posted by: seamrog at October 30, 2013 04:20 PM (fIu3m)

102

Don't fuck with me!

-Hillary Clinton

 

 

hey, no problem

Posted by: thunderb at October 30, 2013 04:20 PM (zOTsN)

103 NDH good luck on this.  Call your elected officials.

Geez.  They should give all the early enrollers, their beta testers, a $5,000 credit or something.  Just no t-shirts.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 04:21 PM (gMFC1)

104 They should change it from ACA to CFC (Cluster Fuck Care)

Fitting as then I would be on board for banning CFCs.

Posted by: The Hickster at October 30, 2013 04:21 PM (MVBSu)

105 I am disinclined to have any sympathy for the Insurance Companies who are about to be crushed and reviled they made this deal with the devil. They are welcome to their Lando moment.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 30, 2013 04:21 PM (SzAZ7)

106 Check out the headline at Drudge. All time high in disapproval. Yea, people are just digging Obamacare. Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 08:11 PM (g1DWB) Can you imagine if the press was honest? Posted by: just a citizen at October 30, 2013 08:12 PM (Nx76m) yea, and the Politco comments attached to the drudge link are brutal good, keep 'em coming.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 30, 2013 04:22 PM (IXrOn)

107 Keena's got it right.  Avoid the exchange at all cost.  The individual plans that are listed on the exchange are the same individual plans available on the open market thru common carriers or their subsidiaries.  NDH, find a local ins broker and have them run your options, you'll probably find more options and better rates than listed on the OCare site.  And they won't enroll you in Medicaid!

Posted by: Fish at October 30, 2013 04:22 PM (h6rDd)

108 Eh. You sound like a wacko bird.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 30, 2013 04:22 PM (+lsX1)

109 Hey, you know what usually keeps a reign on boondoggles like this? 
The evil profit margin.  Thank goodness the government doesn't have this concern.  I'm so sorry, NDH.  If you didn't have high blood pressure before, you may want to get checked after dealing with this crap. 

Posted by: no good deed at October 30, 2013 04:23 PM (k55Fc)

110 That's really something NDH. You should tweet it.

Posted by: Weirddave at October 30, 2013 04:23 PM (N/cFh)

111 I don't mean to be an asshole, bu it was never about health care. It was always about control.

Posted by: EROWMER at October 30, 2013 04:23 PM (OONaw)

112
Clawback chances?

1) Slim
2) None

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 04:24 PM (4tK7k)

113 Get over it.

Posted by: Jan Schakowski at October 30, 2013 04:24 PM (N3Al8)

114 BTW, the system is still down. It's been down for about 24 hours now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 04:24 PM (DmNpO)

115 How did we get so effed? It's a choice between food and insurance, ok not food per se, but you get my drift.

Posted by: auscolpyr at October 30, 2013 04:24 PM (hbpQK)

116 Thank to all for your well-wishes and your humor.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 04:25 PM (DmNpO)

117 I won't even go to healthcare.gov even to look at the home page. Nope, not gonna do it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 30, 2013 04:25 PM (oFCZn)

118 The libtards are already blaming the insurance companies for the inevitable consequences of Obamacare. And the media will amplify this bullshit meme.
----------------

That has spread like wildfire.
My response is..."So, if a nail punctures your tire, you should blame the tire, right?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 04:26 PM (aDwsi)

119 Just think what it's going to be like to get heart surgery under Ocare.  NDH's story is, I think, a harginger of things to come  as far as trying to wade through the government maze.

Posted by: Soona at October 30, 2013 04:26 PM (oP1/q)

120 BTW, the system is still down. It's been down for about 24 hours now. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 08:24 PM (DmNpO) Hide posts from (DmNpO) With any luck that means they're too busy to mess up your life any further, for you. You still have to be anxious about what they've already done until at least mid-December.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2013 04:27 PM (qyfb5)

121 "See, look right here. NO REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THIS HOT MESS! None. Here's the proof right in front of you." "PEOPLE ARE DYING OF CANCER!!!11!!"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 30, 2013 04:28 PM (oFCZn)

122 Baldy @ 79-
I hope you are doing holistic medicine to replace (thank the LORD) the pharmaceuticals. We need you up and running!

Posted by: EROWMER at October 30, 2013 04:29 PM (OONaw)

123 This is exactly why my son wont even try to log in for the first time until he absolutely has to.

Posted by: retired military at October 30, 2013 04:29 PM (R5MiU)

124

The government  is always telling me that I have the Right to Choose, and nobody can take that away from me.

 

 

Well, I want to exercise my Right to Choose to abort this abomination from my life.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 30, 2013 04:30 PM (PZ6/M)

125 The government is always telling me that I have the Right to Choose, and nobody can take that away from me. Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 30, 2013 08:30 PM (PZ6/M) Hide posts from (PZ6/M) Have you noticed how they lie about everything else? Well, they're lying about this, too.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2013 04:31 PM (qyfb5)

126 I am Jan Sibelius, a famous Finnish composer of sonorous symphonies
Blah,blah

Remain blessed.
=============

Here's the thing, Jan. I despise your music. "It's an acquired taste" they told me. So, I tried for a few more years to appreciate it..., but it stinks..., sorry, but it just stinks. Anyone who says otherwise is a music snob who probably admires John Cage also.

Sorry, you get only contempt from me.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 30, 2013 04:32 PM (aDwsi)

127 I wonder if we should ask the call center folks if this site has Save Points?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 30, 2013 04:33 PM (gMFC1)

128 I was cut off by the govt a few weeks ago and stopped my meds. Feel better, but need to get more soon. **** I'm sorry. There are programs out there to help offset the cost of medications. Have you searched for them yet?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 04:33 PM (DmNpO)

129 NDH, I second, third, 11ty CBD's suggestion of calling your congressman and showing him this blog post. Also, get yourself on local news. Hell, go for broke and forward this to O'Reilly!

Posted by: EC at October 30, 2013 04:33 PM (doBIb)

130 I made a mistake in years past on my taxes. The irs said "hey you owe us money." I looked and yep, my bad. So I set up a payment plan. Made the payments and then this spring they withheld the balance from my refund. Cool. All even. EXCEPT I DIDN'T MAKE THE NEXT PAYMENTS. Oh, I am sure you all know where this is going. I got a bill. Balance $0.00, non payment penalty $79. So I call. Next month same thing. Month after month. Every single Obama voter I spoke with at irs said "don't worry about the letters it's a computer mistake." Every month. Until they finally came after "their" $79 with a payroll deduction. I hope every Obama voter gets to deal with other Obama voters at irs over their Obamacare insurance.

Posted by: traye at October 30, 2013 04:34 PM (eyOQ7)

131 >>The libtards are already blaming the insurance companies for the inevitable consequences of Obamacare. And the media will amplify this bullshit meme. Unfortunately for liberals, this is beyond their control. Obama has always been about some stupid aura, belief over facts. This goes back to the first election when liberals were painting Obama as some sort of messiah based on nothing but his words. Well now he's been exposed as a liar. And as bad as that is for any president, it is absolutely toxic for a guy who's whole career is based on his own bullshit. He's in big, big trouble and he has very few allies even in DC. Sure, they back him because he's the president but by all accounts he has few actual friends. The media bubble isn't going to save his ass this time. You fuck with people's wallet and their health and its personal.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 30, 2013 04:34 PM (g1DWB)

132 Just think what it's going to be like to get heart surgery under Ocare. NDH's story is, I think, a harginger of things to come as far as trying to wade through the government maze.

Posted by: Soona at October 30, 2013 08:26 PM (oP1/q)


That's what I keep thinking. If it is this much of a cf to sign up, what's it going to be like processing claims?

Posted by: Retread at October 30, 2013 04:36 PM (IiAs3)

133 NDH- did you see the ObamaCosts site the GOP is putting up? They're asking for stories from people regarding their experiences with Obamacare. It's pretty smart, actually. You should copy and paste your whole story to them. The part about people thinking they are enrolled, when they might not be is particularly frightening.

Posted by: Book at October 30, 2013 04:37 PM (qWES6)

134 Newd, Nied.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 30, 2013 04:40 PM (0HooB)

135 BTW, the system is still down. It's been down for about 24 hours now.

 

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 08:24 PM (DmNpO)

 

 

It's  not down or "crashed" at all.  It's operations  have just become more selective, that's all.

Posted by: K "Ian" Sebilius at October 30, 2013 04:42 PM (BAS5M)

136 This all sounds like some Kafka-esque horror movie where everyone you thought was your friend turns out to be your mortal enemy.

Posted by: EC at October 30, 2013 04:42 PM (doBIb)

137 NDH. Seems like It could be happening a lot. Didn't we hear reports last week of no one signing up for Oscare but 280,000+ enrolled in Medicare since 10-1-13.

Posted by: The Glitch at October 30, 2013 04:45 PM (wI2jh)

138 Didn't we hear reports last week of no one signing up for Oscare but 280,000+ enrolled in Medicare since 10-1-13.


I'm betting it's not really a glitch at all, but one line of code telling the website to automatically dump anyone not selecting a plan into Medicaid regardless of their qualifications.

Fucking evil and malicious.

Posted by: EC at October 30, 2013 04:46 PM (doBIb)

139 In Maryland, according to a press release Friday, 85,659 people have enrolled through the exchange. However, 82,473 of those have signed up for Medicaid, accounting for just over 96 percent of sign ups. Google this "Medicaid enrollees since obamacare start".

Posted by: The Glitch at October 30, 2013 05:03 PM (wI2jh)

140 Geez, NDH what a bunch of crap sandwich to eat. Kathleen Syphilis would just "whatevs" you if you gave her a piece of your mind. She probably would also tax you for it. Best wishes fellow moron

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at October 30, 2013 05:07 PM (HVff2)

141 NDH:  Sorry to hear about your experience.  Not that I have any desire to defend Kathleen Frankinarmflapper,  but why would you want to give her a piece of your mind?  She works for Obarky Stutterzalot.  She's just doing what the choom in Caesar told her to do.

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at October 30, 2013 05:13 PM (9u2hL)

142 Just a question for NDH: if you are on long term disability and you are quitting your job b/c of your disability, have you thought about applying for social security disability income? It's not means tested, last time I checked it's like medicare and social security, if you qualify, you qualify. If your disability qualifies you for SSDI you automatically get medicare.

Posted by: Jane at October 30, 2013 05:49 PM (KDAAY)

143 NDH....out of great misery comes great things. Everyone ( and I mean everyone) should read your piece. It is truly a work of art that so completely describes the ' experience' that I feel like I was there. And frankly, I'm a little pissed at you for that. Which is exactly why I want everyone to read it. You wrote the truth of what we are all facing; having to deal with the DMV and IRS ( for reals) with a good splash of Free Clinic in the Haight thrown in for good measure. And doing all of it at one of the lowest moments in your life. I am truly afraid for my disabled son.. Is there anyway we could facebook this post?

Posted by: Christmasghost at October 30, 2013 05:52 PM (WI2es)

144 Haven't receive a cancelation notice yet, but I have individual health insurance through United and pay $630/mo ($3500 deductible).  Quotes on their web site show a lot of plans available for less than what I'm paying (but higher deductibles), but only available through the end of this year.  All plans available beginning next year start at well over $700 with higher deductibles.

Posted by: profligatewaste at October 30, 2013 05:55 PM (R3JkO)

145 I used COBRA once, and it was expensive. I had foolishly thought that COBRA was a good deal. When it expired (I was sick for 18 years and unemployed for about 6), we bought a comparable family plan for about $250/mo  less than I had been paying for COBRA. So shop direct for an insurance plan, don't stay on COBRA any longer than necessary.


Posted by: West at October 30, 2013 06:12 PM (Wtuyy)

146 NDH....out of great misery comes great things. Everyone ( and I mean everyone) should read your piece. It is truly a work of art that so completely describes the ' experience' that I feel like I was there. And frankly, I'm a little pissed at you for that. Which is exactly why I want everyone to read it. You wrote the truth of what we are all facing; having to deal with the DMV and IRS ( for reals) with a good splash of Free Clinic in the Haight thrown in for good measure. And doing all of it at one of the lowest moments in your life. I am truly afraid for my disabled son.. Is there anyway we could facebook this post? *** You are very kind and I wish only the very best for you and your family. Please feel free to post it to FB. The link can be found at the time-stamp for the post.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 07:10 PM (DmNpO)

147 Just a question for NDH: if you are on long term disability and you are quitting your job b/c of your disability, have you thought about applying for social security disability income? It's not means tested, last time I checked it's like medicare and social security, if you qualify, you qualify. If your disability qualifies you for SSDI you automatically get medicare. *** My disability insurance company required that I apply for SS in order to offset their costs. Here in Duval County, FL the waiting time for a hearing is quite long and it may be another 10 mos to a year before I get a date. Once approved, there will be a two-year waiting period for Medicare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 07:12 PM (DmNpO)

148 Just a question for NDH: if you are on long term disability and you are quitting your job b/c of your disability, have you thought about applying for social security disability income? It's not means tested, last time I checked it's like medicare and social security, if you qualify, you qualify. If your disability qualifies you for SSDI you automatically get medicare. *** My disability insurance company required that I apply for SS in order to offset their costs. Here in Duval County, FL the waiting time for a hearing is quite long and it may be another 10 mos to a year before I get a date. Once approved, there will be a two-year waiting period for Medicare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 07:12 PM (DmNpO)

149 I used COBRA once, and it was expensive. I had foolishly thought that COBRA was a good deal. When it expired (I was sick for 18 years and unemployed for about 6), we bought a comparable family plan for about $250/mo less than I had been paying for COBRA. So shop direct for an insurance plan, don't stay on COBRA any longer than necessary. *** With my heart condition, COBRA might be my only option outside of Obamacare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 07:13 PM (DmNpO)

150 I used COBRA once, and it was expensive. I had foolishly thought that COBRA was a good deal. When it expired (I was sick for 18 years and unemployed for about 6), we bought a comparable family plan for about $250/mo less than I had been paying for COBRA. So shop direct for an insurance plan, don't stay on COBRA any longer than necessary. *** With my heart condition, COBRA might be my only option outside of Obamacare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 07:13 PM (DmNpO)

151 NDH: Sorry to hear about your experience. Not that I have any desire to defend Kathleen Frankinarmflapper, but why would you want to give her a piece of your mind? She works for Obarky Stutterzalot. She's just doing what the choom in Caesar told her to do. *** Indeed. To your point, I'd like to give both of them a piece of my mind.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 07:14 PM (DmNpO)

152 NDH: Sorry to hear about your experience. Not that I have any desire to defend Kathleen Frankinarmflapper, but why would you want to give her a piece of your mind? She works for Obarky Stutterzalot. She's just doing what the choom in Caesar told her to do. *** Indeed. To your point, I'd like to give both of them a piece of my mind.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 30, 2013 07:14 PM (DmNpO)

153 Apparently DotGov didn't think you'd been taking your medicine.  You will now.  Oh yes.  You will.

Posted by: Born Free at October 30, 2013 08:01 PM (gLZXf)

Posted by: phunctor [/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 09:36 PM (RZ1au)

155 Purp, I had to read that code back in 1977 to find out what to do at wit's end. And it wasn't even a large capacity magazine!

Posted by: phunctor [/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 30, 2013 09:44 PM (xCh2P)

156

This is an off-topic thought that came about when NDH began to list those people that she was getting a chance to speak to during her time in the Land of Oz:             

              "Eventually, I spoke with "Venus" at DCF. . ."

As God is my witness, the very first thing I thought of was, "Hey, is 'Venus Flytrap' now working for HealthCare.gov ClusterF*ck? Because I would call to just talk to him and see how things had been since the WKRP days."

 

Also to tell him that HE needs to run for a House representative or Senate. Venus could do NO worse and he would be a damn sight better than most 'leaders who have our BEST interests at heart. Venus Flytrap for President!!

 

Just a silly thought,  maybe it brought about some smiles about a funny and offbeat TV show which I think the Moron Horde has held in high esteem. 

Posted by: dwagyak at October 31, 2013 12:17 AM (Xg5nt)

157

Don't worry, we have out best and our brightest on  the problem... full time... whatever.

Posted by: Field Marshall Sibelius at October 31, 2013 08:45 AM (QKYRm)

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