December 19, 2013
— Ace MKH recaps the saga.
A few points.
First:
There should be a equity between the type of infraction alleged and the punishment sought. By which I mean: Something alleged to be a social transgression should have social consequences (if any consequences at all).
The game should not be rigged that such that a social consequence has economic consequences, that is, ad hoc privately enforced fines and penalties.
The punishment should fit the "crime" (if there is some crime at all). If Phil Robertson said something "mean," then mean things should be said back to him. If he made people uncomfortable, then people can use their Adult Words to make him feel uncomfortable in return.
We have evolved a repellent system in which thought and belief are punished by tangible economic penalties. And this is not something that happens occasionally; this now happens every week or month.
A firing or a suspension or a forced term in a Thought Rehab institution is now expected when someone Says a Dirty Word.
Second:
I'm weary of the statement "This isn't about the First Amendment because it's a private corporate decision."
For one thing, no one is arguing otherwise. It's tiresome to hear this chestnut trotted out every five minutes. Yes, we get it.
It's also untrue. Yes, the First Amendment, strictly speaking, applies only to the government. But there is a spirit of the First Amendment too, not just a restriction on government action.
And that spirit is this:
That we should have, to the extent compatible with ordered liberty, the maximum possible right to think and say and believe what we choose, and anyone who attempts to use force to coerce someone to think and say and believe something that is alien to them is acting contrary to the spirt of the First Amendment.
I've said this a dozen times:
The real, tangible threat to our right to think and speak as we will, as conscience, faith, or reason (or all three together) might impel us, is not from the government, but from our employers, and from the massively corporate media institutions that impose real penalties on people -- fines, really, imposed by firings, suspensions, mandatory Thought Rehab and so forth -- for daring to utter words other than the Officially Approved Institutional Corporate Slogans.
Yes, A&E has the right to suspend Phil Robinson. A&E also has the right to stand up for a broad and generous principle of Freedom of Thought and Expression.
Why does no one speak of that right? Sure, they have the right to act hostilely towards the spirit of the First Amendment and use coercive power to hammer people into only speaking the Officially Approved Institutional Corporate Slogans.
They also have the right to stick up for people's right to dissent, to be "weird," to have unpopular thoughts and heterodox beliefs. And as a media company, they really ought to have an interest in doing so.
Why does no one ever mention this? Why does no one ever push companies to recognize that right, rather than the other one?
It is well-conceded that an employer has the right to fire you for some heterodox belief or some oddball sexual habit, but an employer similarly has the right to foster an environment of self-expression and freedom, and yet no one seems to talk about a company's capacity to be a Good Actor in the realm of free expression.
There should be pushback against this idea that of course the people with direct authority over us -- our employers -- can and should fire us or otherwise inflict serious economic consequences of it for daring to live as Free Americans.
This is obvious, but apparently it's not obvious enough: We do not need a freedom to express popular or polite thought. Thoughts which are popular and polite (and approved by the state and its supporting institutions) have never been in jeopardy.
Not even in Nazi Germany. The popular, state-approved thought -- that Hitler would bring "Greater Germany" (i.e., Nazi-dominated Europe) back to greatness -- was never forbidden by the Nazis.
Unpopular thoughts were threatened-- such as anti-Naziism.
On both right and left, people interested in sharing their beliefs and arguing for principles should, out of simple self-interest, agree that there should be a broad and generous latitude given to impolite, impolitic, and unpopular thought, granted by not only the formal apparatus of the government but also by other institutions of direct authority and control, such as large media corporations (which tend to reinforce and perpetuate the State Party line, especially when the State has been captured by the Left) and employers generally.
Yes, we can indulge the Left's favorite past-time ourselves and go scalp-hunting with relish.
And what happens when the next scalp sought is our own?
I agree that the Right must not unilaterally disarm in this disgusting sport. Tit for Tat, as Steven den Beste has pointed out, is a logical and effective strategy for dealing with an opponent, even when you disagree with the rules your opponent is operating by. If the Left is never forced to suffer under their own Speech Code regime, they'll never be forced to reconsider.
That said, those on the right, and Friends of Freedom generally, should take pains to point out the sport of scalp-hunting is in fact vile, practiced with vigor by broken people with voids in their souls that can only be filled by inflicting pain on other people.
And we should always point out: We are willing to abandon this head-fucked system of Mutually Assured Terror for Daring to Speak One's Mind the moment the Left is willing to do so.
Which, frankly, will be never.
They secondary boycott, therefore they exist. They have achieved nothing in their own lives, but if they can bring down a Mighty Foe, then they're important.
But we must always offer that Treaty. At every opportunity. Because this War on Individuality hurts everyone who considers himself an individual.
It is time to tell these people, with no politeness whatsoever, to Shut the Fuck Up and stop making life awful for everyone else.
They are enemies of freedom -- of freedom of conscience, of freedom of thought, of freedom of expression; of freedom, generally -- and should be hectored, harassed, and humiliated as such.
They are retrograde simpleton bullies, and bullies requiring the bracing lesson of a punch to the face.
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Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2013 10:05 AM (5Z2BD)
Posted by: 2016 Winning Democratic Coalition at December 19, 2013 10:06 AM (LaZum)
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:06 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:06 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at December 19, 2013 10:07 AM (Dq77H)
It is time to tell these people, with no politeness whatsoever, to Shut the Fuck Up and stop making life awful for everyone else.
They are enemies of freedom -- of freedom of conscience, of freedom of thought, of freedom of expression; of freedom, generally -- and should be hectored, harassed, and humiliated as such.
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Yes, please. Let's stop making life awful for one another. Yes, please.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:07 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: The Chicken at December 19, 2013 10:07 AM (05624)
Posted by: Vizzy at December 19, 2013 10:07 AM (iH6WT)
Posted by: KevinC at December 19, 2013 10:09 AM (fiYpK)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 19, 2013 10:09 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: NCKate at December 19, 2013 10:10 AM (RSQB0)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2013 10:10 AM (32Ze2)
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Agreed. My guess is Phil is taking his stand.
I would add a sentiment often heard in Christian circles, which seems appropriate when discussing people of faith in the media:
"We play to an audience of One."
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:10 AM (P6QsQ)
The real travesty; This is dominating the news cycle. This is what poses as news now. Not that Obama's nuke deal with Iran is a disaster, his healthcare plan is a sham, the new budget passed by congress sucks, Ukraine is in turmoil...no fuck that.
Duck Dynasty hates teh gheys !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: The Jackhole at December 19, 2013 10:10 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 10:11 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2013 10:11 AM (NQyj0)
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 10:11 AM (EWsrI)
Not often do you find morals and comedy rolled into the same show.
And don't make the mistake of thinking that Phil is some backwoods country uneducated idiot.
Chances are, if Phil had wished to seek the glory, instead of duck hunting, Terry Bradshaw would not have risen to the level he did.
And if I am not mistaken, most of the family holds Masters Degrees, and the employees are encouraged to continue their formal education as well.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 19, 2013 10:11 AM (teMpq)
>>>You can't keep a duck's ass water tight if you keep fucking it.
DD is coming out with a decoy what has teh innards of teh fleshlight made up like a hairy butt.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at December 19, 2013 10:12 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: nip at December 19, 2013 10:12 AM (jI23+)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 10:12 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Hawkins1701 at December 19, 2013 10:12 AM (93zXY)
Posted by: Footie Pajama Guy at December 19, 2013 10:13 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Kreplach at December 19, 2013 10:13 AM (Z9BWx)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2013 10:14 AM (NQyj0)
I also heard Earth has come out as approximately spherical.
Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 10:14 AM (bsDPd)
Posted by: splatter at December 19, 2013 10:14 AM (0Qt2V)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 19, 2013 10:14 AM (RJMhd)
It is time to tell these people, with no politeness whatsoever, to Shut the Fuck Up and stop making life awful for everyone else.
They are enemies of freedom -- of freedom of conscience, of freedom of thought, of freedom of expression; of freedom, generally -- and should be hectored, harassed, and humiliated as such.
They are retrograde simpleton bullies, and bullies requiring the bracing lesson of a punch to the fucking face.
The greatest mistake a man can make is to continually poke and prod at an animal, expecting the creature will never turn on him.
I hope the "punch to the fucking face" comes. Soon and hard. Hard enough to put the brakes on this desperate attempt to institute thoughtcrime. Because if not - well, as I've said before, google the name "Princesse de Lamballe."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 19, 2013 10:15 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: the Butcher at December 19, 2013 10:15 AM (8g9qq)
Posted by: UnderCover in L.A. at December 19, 2013 10:15 AM (J3x3K)
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:15 AM (P6QsQ)
It is violence and coercion done with the pinky held out just so.
I've said for years I'd rather have you pick a fair fight with me than sue me. If I take a beating in a fair fig
Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at December 19, 2013 10:15 AM (FtCW+)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2013 10:16 AM (NQyj0)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 19, 2013 10:16 AM (GMaWX)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 19, 2013 10:16 AM (P1WNR)
You can't have both.
Because the current state of "civil rights" laws has our government allowing--and encouraging--the use of government resources to punish others for mere speech, beliefs or association.
I think: There should be no private cause of action for discrimination.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 19, 2013 10:16 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 19, 2013 10:16 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 10:16 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Meekle at December 19, 2013 10:17 AM (Lmi6z)
As for those worried that this is all a distraction, I paraphrase Dana Loesch: change in government is preceded by changes in culture. The culture IS the battlefield.
Posted by: grognard at December 19, 2013 10:17 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: mikesixes at December 19, 2013 10:17 AM (Nsa/A)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 19, 2013 10:17 AM (9eDbm)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 19, 2013 10:17 AM (ZPrif)
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Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 10:17 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: nip at December 19, 2013 10:17 AM (jI23+)
Yup.
Who would have ever guessed.
Although I hear that the vast majority of Subaru driving female softball players are homophobic h8ters.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 19, 2013 10:17 AM (teMpq)
Posted by: dabhidh at December 19, 2013 10:18 AM (Es7YA)
Posted by: brak at December 19, 2013 10:18 AM (M2qTM)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 10:18 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 19, 2013 10:18 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 19, 2013 10:19 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2013 10:19 AM (Zm0GY)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 10:19 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 19, 2013 10:19 AM (XiByy)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 19, 2013 10:19 AM (m+AZt)
It struck me recently that I am one of the few people of my age to have never been forced into a diversity training or similar though control class.
That makes me freer than most. I think what I wish without official coercion.
Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at December 19, 2013 10:20 AM (FtCW+)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 19, 2013 10:20 AM (7ObY1)
For example: How screwed up does your brain's wiring have to be before your instinct to procreate makes you want to have sex with someone with whom it is genetically impossible?
Isn't that, in a way, what Robertson said with his comment about vaginas?
Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 10:20 AM (bsDPd)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 10:20 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: brak at December 19, 2013 02:18 PM (M2qTM)
On the comeback trail, baby!
Posted by: Jm J. Bullock at December 19, 2013 10:20 AM (zF6Iw)
The guy was asked a question about his faith. He answered the question using his faith.
The country was founded partly to escape religious persecution. The left likes to practice religious persecution.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2013 10:20 AM (MaP11)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 10:20 AM (t+DWU)
Posted by: katya, the deisgnated driver at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (DoZD+)
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Posted by: brak at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (M2qTM)
Posted by: NoBroccoli4U at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (3p7iG)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (h4eud)
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Pajama Boy at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (FcR7P)
There is probably a clause that allows A and E to bounce him for any behavior they deem unbecoming. or contrary to the goals of the network.
But I would love to see this litigated.
And I wonder what the suspension really means. Are they filming now? What real effect does it have, other than to prove A and E's bona fides to the homo mafia?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 19, 2013 10:21 AM (XiByy)
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (xWW96)
I'm thinking "Mountain Man".
That dude just ain't right in the head.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (teMpq)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (t+DWU)
Careful. That's probably parody, being on Scrappleface and all.
Posted by: grognard at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (Zm0GY)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (RJMhd)
And yet. And yet...sometimes I feel like they actually do need to be fought. This is one of those instances. I don't give two flying fucks about "Duck Dynasty" or Phil Robertson or whatever Southern/evangelical flag his supporters are waving per se, but A&E's behavior is just so revolting and toxic.
Ann Althouse (and the fact that it's her is significant, as she has a gay son) actually said it best: the guy was only expressing Christian doctrine as found in the Bible regarding sin. He wasn't railing about "damn faggots" or expressing anger or hatred. It was just "here is what Christians like me believe is sin." And she points out that you can't even accuse him of only focusing on homosexuality, because he also included fornication, sex outside of marriage, adultery, etc. etc. Not the sorts of issues my worldview centers around, but still totally legitimate.
I'm sick of this shit. And everyone knows that I'm the farthest thing from a Culture Warrior around here.
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (hDIEK)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (3ZtZW)
Seems the only time the media wants to stick up for someone's right to be weird and transgressive is when it involves twerking or exposed nipples during the Superbowl halftime show.
There's definitely a king of weird that is both encouraged and forgiven. And the rest of us are prudes and judgey haters or something.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2013 10:22 AM (ruxvM)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 10:23 AM (h4eud)
Posted by: Chico Esquela at December 19, 2013 10:23 AM (PuX55)
Posted by: ejo at December 19, 2013 10:23 AM (GXvSO)
Everyone has the right to say what they want to.
And everyone else has the right to not listen if they don't want to.
Pretty simple.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 19, 2013 10:23 AM (AX3vC)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 10:23 AM (lZBBB)
There is no 'spirit of the First Amendment' that would impel a company to lean one way or the other when making a commercial judgment as to whether the speech in question would hamper business.
Uh huh. There's no "spirit of the First Amendment" that might compell a media company whose very essence is supported and sustained by the constitutional first amendment to think twice about squelching unpopular speech.
It's penumbras all the way down.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at December 19, 2013 10:23 AM (A0sHn)
Posted by: Paula Deen at December 19, 2013 10:23 AM (W2YA6)
Isn't that, in a way, what Robertson said with his comment about vaginas?
Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 02:20 PM (bsDPd)
They're the same people who want humans to die out so Gaia can heal the planet, so why wouldn't they be championing the 3% of humans with a genetic defect that leads to that end?
Posted by: PajamaBoy at December 19, 2013 10:23 AM (+H/11)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2013 10:24 AM (Zm0GY)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 19, 2013 10:24 AM (teMpq)
Listen, I know you're open about a lot of your personal failings on this blog, but I'm not sure we're ready to hear about your shameful lack of interest in scat-pr0n. It's as American as apple pie!
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2013 10:24 AM (hDIEK)
Posted by: Meekle at December 19, 2013 10:24 AM (Lmi6z)
Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2013 10:24 AM (FcR7P)
They are retrograde simpleton bullies, and bullies requiring the bracing lesson of a punch to the face.
*swoon*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 19, 2013 10:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2013 10:24 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 19, 2013 10:24 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: mrp at December 19, 2013 10:25 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: CTimbo at December 19, 2013 10:25 AM (IdpbF)
Posted by: Meekle at December 19, 2013 10:25 AM (Lmi6z)
Must be exhausted, bless their hearts.
Posted by: Clownf*cker at December 19, 2013 10:25 AM (W2YA6)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 10:26 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2013 10:26 AM (BM7dA)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 10:26 AM (h4eud)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 19, 2013 10:26 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 19, 2013 10:26 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: brevity at December 19, 2013 10:26 AM (KFoLW)
Posted by: whoever at December 19, 2013 10:27 AM (zu9Ee)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:27 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Komen for the Cure at December 19, 2013 10:27 AM (W2YA6)
Been laying the groundwork for years. Big Love, that Polygamy reality show (on TLC?), all of those HBO 'Sex in America' type documentaries promoting new agey polyamorous living.
And too many artsy inter-generational relationship films to mention, but The Reader, Birth and Towelhead spring to mind.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2013 10:27 AM (ruxvM)
It went the same way as "supporting Choice." In modern Leftard Orwellian doublespeak, "diversity" and "choice" are definitionally-limited to the choices and opinions that are pre-approved by the self-identified elites.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2013 10:27 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2013 10:28 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Meekle at December 19, 2013 02:25 PM (Lmi6z)
She's old and fat but would still kick his ass.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 10:28 AM (QFxY5)
Ding ding ding - give that man a cee-gar. This is a fantastic question.
And the answer is yes, RARELY. Rights conflict with each other all the time. When the speech is legitimately damaging, you have a right to compensation if the speaker represents you.
A&E can argue it was damaging to their image. It's bullshit, but they'll argue it.
Posted by: grognard at December 19, 2013 10:28 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:28 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 10:28 AM (h4eud)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 10:28 AM (t+DWU)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 19, 2013 10:29 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Filly at December 19, 2013 10:29 AM (xJhbp)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 10:29 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 19, 2013 10:29 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 19, 2013 10:29 AM (P1WNR)
Can't wait to see how Gabe reacts to this.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 10:29 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Loretta, formerly Stan, of the People's Front of Judea at December 19, 2013 10:29 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (t+DWU)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (XiByy)
Posted by: brak at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (M2qTM)
Posted by: Trump at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (w3gpb)
Oh, and btw, Ace. Damn good post. You put into words the nagging feeling I've gotten over the last decade, of the double-standard of speech.
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (BM7dA)
Get a TV and then refuse to turn it on. On principle.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (ZPrif)
The difference is in what gets categorized as having no redeeming value. Here, it would be the kind of stuff that gets published at Stormfront (I have to rely on others descriptions about what gets published there, since I have no interest in reading that stuff myself). The left and its allied media outlets want to create an environment in which any negative views about homosexuality are treated the same as speech advocating "White Power".
What is the right response to this? The only thing that I think would be effective is boycotts. That includes both primary and secondary boycotts. If A&E is going to shut down speech that reflects our views, then don't watch or pay for that channel. And if Ford (to make up an example with no specific evidence) is willing to advertise on some shows with content we find offensive, but pulls their advertising from shows that we believe are simpatico with our beliefs, then Ford should also be boycotted.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (IN7k+)
21 has it right--Phil Robertson doesn't care. He didn't care what the world in general thought of him BEFORE he was famous, he doesn't care NOW. The difference is, now he's got a bigger piece of the world's pie in the bank.
He's got his wife, his sons, his land, and ammo. Everything else can shove off.
What sucks for me and Steve the Pirate is, we're going to have to find some reason to tell the little Pirates about why Phil isn't on the show anymore. The Boy v1.0 is already confused about why he's not going to be a Boy Scout, the Sin That Can't Shut Up is permeating EVERYTHING.
All this for 3% of the population.
Posted by: Steve the Pirate's Wife at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (MS21K)
Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2013 10:30 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2013 10:31 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Filly at December 19, 2013 10:31 AM (xJhbp)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:32 AM (/Crba)
Just got out of an epic Facebook brawl with some guy talking about how "Xians" should be all about loving people and tolerance and Skittles and Rainbows.... and that Phil was a "H8TER"!!!
And .... get this..... his previous frickin post was about how when some TEABAGGERS were in a courthouse together, the doors should have been locked trapping them inside and then set afire...... like Vlad Dacul would have done. Easy .... quick .... and effective.
It must be so blissful to go thru life with the absolute conviction that you have all the correct answers to all the correct questions.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2013 10:32 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: George Orwell at December 19, 2013 10:32 AM (AX3vC)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 10:32 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 19, 2013 10:32 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2013 10:32 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 19, 2013 10:33 AM (GaqMa)
Gird yourself for a full-on rainbow-powered series of "Up Close and Personal" spots throughout the games. NBC's use of these has been cloying enough already without the extra activist agenda added to it.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2013 10:33 AM (ruxvM)
Whatever happened to "Celebrate Diversity"?
Unrelated (to an extent), but I saw a new variation of those damn "Coexistence" bumper stickers the other day. Same schtick - religious and cultural symbols as letters -- but this time spelling out "Compassion."
Here it is, in all its bullshit glory: http://tinyurl.com/nxbr2h4
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at December 19, 2013 10:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at December 19, 2013 10:33 AM (Dq77H)
Posted by: physics geek at December 19, 2013 10:33 AM (MT22W)
Kudos, Ace for starting the post with 'First' and depriving some douchebag the opportunity to do it in the comments. Well played.
Posted by: Joe at December 19, 2013 10:33 AM (QFnhZ)
How come bigotry still exists in more enlightened places? I don't know, maybe because by punishing faux pas, people never really learn why bigotry is bad, just not to say certain things. (That and every new person has to relearn the lessons of the past, which is something the Left has a problem getting in its thick skull.)
We're not children anymore. You tell a child what he or she can't do, and you can get away with "Because I said so!" By the time people are adults, we deserve more than that. The discussions that will take place are going to have many, many uncomfortable directions, for both sides of the political spectrum and for all races, sexes, etc.
Posted by: Shoot Me at December 19, 2013 10:33 AM (qiXMt)
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2013 10:34 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: IRS at December 19, 2013 10:34 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Slippery Slope at December 19, 2013 10:34 AM (LMtLQ)
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 19, 2013 10:34 AM (bb5+k)
How gracious of you to allow us bigots to speak freely.
Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at December 19, 2013 10:34 AM (FtCW+)
It's the Winter Olympics. We already had this covered with the entire male portion of the figure skating team.
Posted by: Filly at December 19, 2013 10:34 AM (xJhbp)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (RJMhd)
Piers Morgan @piersmorgan
Phil Robertson is not a 'victim of political correctness'. He's a victim of his own repulsively racist, homophobic bigotry.
"What? Go over to East London and tell the Muslims the same thing? Are you daft?"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: brak at December 19, 2013 02:30 PM (M2qTM"
And eventually, someone at the universities they attended will put up a statue in their honor:http://santacruz.indymedia.org/newswire/display/18883
Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (bsDPd)
Screw the glittering generalities about how things "ought" to work ... Let's get down to how things are.
The Left is taking scalps ... and winning. If you're sick of it ... Fight back.
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (3U+HW)
Maybe this is a stupid question...
What the fuck does a tennis player have to do with respresentin' at the Winter Olympics?
I know (she's gonna send a message to the Ruskies about the gay thing, whatever) but don't Summer Olympic types stay with what they know??? I wouldn't want Michael Phelps representin' for bobsledding, or Jackie Joyner-Kerse walkin' out with the hockey team? So stupid.
Posted by: loves to hate at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (GDgxf)
Posted by: Donkey at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (Ggh94)
Posted by: brak at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (M2qTM)
Posted by: Steve the Pirate's Wife at December 19, 2013 02:30 PM (MS21K)
Not even that many. I have read between 1% and 2%.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (/FnUH)
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Well put.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2013 10:35 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Clownf*cker at December 19, 2013 10:36 AM (V40IZ)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 19, 2013 10:36 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2013 10:36 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at December 19, 2013 10:36 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Devan at December 19, 2013 10:36 AM (DFOjv)
Posted by: ArmChair in sin at December 19, 2013 10:36 AM (A64kL)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:37 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 19, 2013 10:37 AM (bb5+k)
Phil Robertson is not a 'victim of political correctness'. He's a victim of his own repulsively racist, homophobic bigotry.
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Phil Robertson is not "a victim" at all.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:37 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 10:37 AM (/FnUH)
He can't stand anyone else getting any attention for anything, can he?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 19, 2013 10:38 AM (ZKzrr)
Those aren't all even real symbols - they added a Nike swoosh to a cross to make the "P", and I have no idea what some of the other letters are.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 19, 2013 10:38 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:29 PM (lZBBB)
I was going for "arch". Thought it might have missed. Point is that a media company should be extra sensitive to the implications of the first amendment.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at December 19, 2013 10:38 AM (A0sHn)
Posted by: nip at December 19, 2013 10:38 AM (jI23+)
Posted by: whoever at December 19, 2013 10:38 AM (zu9Ee)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 19, 2013 10:38 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (/Crba)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/selection-du-weekend-37-7.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (Zm0GY)
Posted by: awkward davies at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (WK8VM)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (t+DWU)
Posted by: brak at December 19, 2013 02:35 PM (M2qTM)
Except for those who have "alternative" uses for the shocks.
Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (bsDPd)
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at December 19, 2013 02:33 PM (Dq77H)
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I think Glenn has had Robertson on his show. So one would think that channel of offering would be real.
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (BM7dA)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 10:39 AM (/FnUH)
Then they have to suspend everyone, or reinstate Phil.
That seems like a balls-out move and I hope they do something like it.
Posted by: grognard at December 19, 2013 10:40 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 19, 2013 10:41 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: physics geek at December 19, 2013 10:41 AM (MT22W)
Posted by: Trump at December 19, 2013 10:41 AM (w3gpb)
Posted by: Bob Costas at December 19, 2013 10:41 AM (Pt5Ms)
Listen, I know you're open about a lot of your personal failings on this blog, but I'm not sure we're ready to hear about your shameful lack of interest in scat-pr0n. It's as American as apple pie!
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2013 02:24 PM (hDIEK)
I hear Mary Todd Lincoln gave a mean Mississippi Sternwheeler.
Posted by: Jm J. Bullock at December 19, 2013 10:41 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2013 10:41 AM (UAMVq)
Ace: Do they seek to have Phil Robinson remain silent about what he believes?
Yes. He was suspended almost immediately for a quote he made for GQ Magazine. So he can't make a controversial statement on a religious matter not just for an AE production, but anywhere at anytime. That must be quite a contract the Robertsons signed for AE.
Posted by: mrp at December 19, 2013 10:42 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 19, 2013 10:42 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:42 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2013 10:42 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: garrett at December 19, 2013 10:42 AM (IMiDG)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2013 02:40 PM (olDqf)
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Liberalislam???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2013 10:42 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: brak at December 19, 2013 10:42 AM (M2qTM)
Posted by: Trump at December 19, 2013 10:43 AM (w3gpb)
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2013 10:43 AM (fWAjv)
Beck said he'd sign these guys before A&E suits got to the letter 'r' of 'fired'. Talk about a coup.
I say let the market speak. A&E can exercise editorial control of its content and its participants can say "FYNQ" while moving to another entity that wants to a) make money and b) make a stand. As long as the government doesn't step in, I'm still OK with the "spirit" of Free Speech getting tested. I'm still in the camp of free speech and freedom of association even if "society" decides some comments won't be carried/permitted on the job. It's clearly a grey area of individual versus corporate (technically another individual) rights. Speech has costs even if it's free. As long as the speech can continue without government censor, then that's the trade-off we pretty much must accept. Maybe not you, Ace, but I think I have to accept the downside. Thoughtful argument on your part, though.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 19, 2013 10:43 AM (eHIJJ)
... go camp out at the women's curling!
*drools*
Posted by: loves to hate at December 19, 2013 10:43 AM (GDgxf)
Posted by: Filly at December 19, 2013 10:44 AM (xJhbp)
Posted by: brevity at December 19, 2013 10:44 AM (KFoLW)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 10:44 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 19, 2013 10:44 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:44 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at December 19, 2013 10:45 AM (+3MWf)
Posted by: Kate Upton at December 19, 2013 02:43 PM (5iuEW)
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THIS!!! This is why I keep coming here.
Now.... excuse me while I try to find a dry monitor in the supply room.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2013 10:45 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 02:29 PM (QFxY5)
If he doesn't ignore it altogether, somehow it'll be Ted Cruz' fault.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 19, 2013 10:45 AM (zF6Iw)
Everyone knows Obama will mark the controversy by releasing a picture of himself anyway.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 19, 2013 10:45 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:45 AM (/Crba)
>>>I'm sure Bob Costas has two weeks worth of serious comments and brow-furrowing pronouncements on the issue ready to go for Sochi.
The name "Sochi" comes from the Tartar word meaning "to sashay"
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at December 19, 2013 10:45 AM (3ZtZW)
There's a large group within the gay community that's driving 99% of this furor and they don't just want acceptance and tolerance to live their lives in peace, they want to be praised and celebrated for being gay as well.
If you didn't know any better, you would think they have a constant need of psychological reinforcement of their lifestyle for some reason. Funny that.
Posted by: B at December 19, 2013 10:46 AM (VC56G)
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2013 02:43 PM (fWAjv)
Agreed! but unly because he isn't smart enough to pull a strategic coup like that.
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2013 10:46 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 10:46 AM (t+DWU)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:46 AM (/Crba)
Box score - Republican Pols Publicly Defending Robertson's Free Speech Rights
Cruz
Jindal
Palin
Quiet as a Mouse
Boehner
McConnell
Christie
Ect.
Ect.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2013 10:46 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 10:46 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 19, 2013 10:47 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 19, 2013 10:47 AM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:47 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: nip at December 19, 2013 10:47 AM (jI23+)
Although I do expect SCOAMF to weigh in on this, because he can't help himself.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 19, 2013 10:47 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 10:47 AM (BC6cY)
Nobody is dragging you to "Burn The Fag" protests.
In fact, they don't happen in this country, outside of a minuscule, deeply disturbed minority.
The converse happens constantly, is reinforced by government, big business and all of the major media companies, and is rapidly being inserted into the public schools as truth on par with the earth is round.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 10:47 AM (QFxY5)
Ready...
Scrappleface is satire.
Satire is Scrappleface
Think of it as IowaHawk, just with a different name.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 19, 2013 10:48 AM (teMpq)
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It is. They've been very public about their Christian beliefs for years, and have published books, spoken at conferences and churches. This is not a PR stunt for them.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:48 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 10:48 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 19, 2013 10:49 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 02:37 PM (/FnUH)[/]
This.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at December 19, 2013 10:49 AM (A0sHn)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 10:49 AM (h4eud)
Posted by: Barney Fwank at December 19, 2013 10:49 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 10:49 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:49 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 19, 2013 10:49 AM (i2Lsf)
Posted by: theCork at December 19, 2013 10:49 AM (hbAdE)
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2013 10:50 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: OUTRAGE!! at December 19, 2013 10:50 AM (M2qTM)
And while A&E could stand up for free speech, I don't expect them to. I don't think this was a "Anti-Christian" move on their behalf, I think it was strictly a business decision.
To protect their MASSIVE LGBT Duck Dynasty viewership?
Sorry. Not buying it.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 19, 2013 10:51 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 19, 2013 10:51 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 19, 2013 10:51 AM (aIXAJ)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 19, 2013 10:51 AM (GaqMa)
Fuck me and my un-fucking-closed fucking html tag.
I was trying to support Ace's displeasure at the eternal war on teh gheys.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at December 19, 2013 10:51 AM (A0sHn)
And this Eternal War on Homosexuality is ridiculous.
With respect, Ace, what "war?" Frankly, I think most of the Horde - and regular people - have no thoughts either way about gays other than "if you're going to be a flaming queen, keep it out of my face."
It's the Eternal War OF Homosexuality, in my eyes.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 19, 2013 10:51 AM (zF6Iw)
I get to say that too. I am not here *solely* to advance and propagate Phil Robertson's thoughts. I get to advance my own as well.
And this Eternal War on Homosexuality is ridiculous.
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 02:37 PM (/FnUH)
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I think it's the difference between acceptance and approval. I accept that homosexuality exists, although I don't approve of it.
All I'm asking is that I get the same amount of respect for my beliefs as the gay guy wants me to respect his. I just don't want to hear about the buttsecks. I'm getting to the point where I don't want to hear about anyone's sex life. There's way too much of it. It's not a sacred practice anymore.
The problem arises when a govenment/corporatist mentality prevails as you have just written.
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2013 10:51 AM (BM7dA)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 19, 2013 10:51 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 10:52 AM (h4eud)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 19, 2013 10:52 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at December 19, 2013 10:52 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 19, 2013 10:53 AM (m+AZt)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 10:53 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 19, 2013 10:53 AM (RJMhd)
"Homopho-"
QUACK QUACK QUACK
"Raci-"
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
"War on womy-"
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2013 02:50 PM (fWAjv)
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This is brilliance.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:53 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 10:53 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 19, 2013 10:53 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 19, 2013 10:54 AM (9eDbm)
Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at December 19, 2013 10:54 AM (j0wOO)
Which is remarkable because he's only commented five times or so.
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2013 10:54 AM (hDIEK)
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2013 10:54 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 19, 2013 02:51 PM (GaqMa)
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Not just Robertson. They want to teach all of us Bible reading, gun toting bitter clingers in flyover country a lesson. This is the marxist way.
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2013 10:55 AM (BM7dA)
"It is well-conceded that an employer has the right to fire you for some heterodox belief or some oddball sexual habit, but an employer similarly has the right to foster an environment of self-expression and freedom, and yet no one seems to talk about a company's capacity to be a Good Actor in the realm of free expression."
Not really accurate. Employers cannot fire you for your religious beliefs or for your sexual orientation (or for your race or ethnicity), and would subject themselves to claims of wrongful termination if they did so. The problem is that this proscription is never applied consistently. We are bombarded with claims that person X has been wrongfully terminated because of racism, or that person Y has been wrongfully terminated because she's a woman, or that person Z has been wrongfully terminated because he's gay, or that Abdul Rahman Mohammed was wrongfully terminated because he was Moslem. But we never test the proposition that it is wrong to terminate someone because they are Catholic or Southern Evangelical and believe (and have the temerity to express their beliefs) in traditional morality. Which is odd, because Christian believers in traditional morality are now a minority.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at December 19, 2013 10:55 AM (qHCyt)
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2013 10:55 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 19, 2013 02:51 PM (zF6Iw)
Agreed.
This is one of the problems with living in the NYC bubble. Homosexuality is front and center in almost everything.
The rest of the country (outside of the major cities) doesn't care one way or the other.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 10:55 AM (QFxY5)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/selection-du-weekend-37-13.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2013 10:55 AM (Zm0GY)
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at December 19, 2013 10:56 AM (Dq77H)
What's more, I have no particular issue with people who enjoy sex using The Other Vagina. It's no business of mine.
The problem isn't that people are up in arms about these statements, either: They can be up in arms about any damn thing they want.
The other part of me, however, keeps saying "When tolerance is no longer sufficient then coercion is close behind." Robertson isn't saying that all the gays should die; he's saying that his religion considers it a sin. What's more, even just saying, as I do, "It's no business of mine" is no longer sufficient. Tolerance is not the same thing as acceptance. One should not be required to accept.
Posted by: joncelli at December 19, 2013 10:56 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Hawk at December 19, 2013 10:56 AM (2dYnc)
They are all doing a Cartman, "Raspact Mah Homosexuality!!!Eleventy!!!"
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2013 10:56 AM (Zm0GY)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:57 AM (/Crba)
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You mean the stores that urban gays wouldn't be caught dead in? The stores I see all the time with the large and mostly sold out DD merchandise displays, clothing, hunting paraphernalia and (as God is my witness) party favors?
Yeah, good luck with that, Sparky....
Posted by: B at December 19, 2013 10:57 AM (VC56G)
"War on womy-"
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2013 02:50 PM (fWAjv)
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This is brilliance.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 02:53 PM (P6QsQ)
I'm going to order one right fucking now.
Posted by: grognard at December 19, 2013 10:57 AM (/29Nl)
This is a nearly-public service message brought to you by an unconcerned moron.
Posted by: mrp at December 19, 2013 10:57 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 10:58 AM (/Crba)
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I want one of those for Christmas.
Oops, sorry. I meant, Winter Holiday with No Religious Significance At All.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 10:59 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 10:59 AM (/FnUH)
The other part of me, however, keeps saying "When tolerance is no longer sufficient then coercion is close behind."
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Far too many people don't read enough history to know where this is headed.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 19, 2013 10:59 AM (AX3vC)
I accept that homosexuality exists, although I don't approve of it.
That's stoopid. It doesn't need your approval. Gay guys don't want to have sex with you and you don't want to have it with them.
I had never heard of Phil Robertson until yesterday. I don't need to "approve" of his deeply held religious convictions. I would say that he probably doesn't give a good goddam about my lack of convictions, but as a thoughtful Christian he probably wishes me well and thinks I'd be better off if I shared his.
He has a legitimate point of view and expressed it in accordance with his true self. If teh gheys want to express that their true selves crave intimacy with their own gender that's cut from the same cloth.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at December 19, 2013 10:59 AM (A0sHn)
Posted by: Phil Smith at December 19, 2013 10:59 AM (U95Fc)
Posted by: blue.dot at December 19, 2013 11:00 AM (VRSG2)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 11:00 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 11:01 AM (/FnUH)
Today they have created the government-media-search engine complex and that is just fine.
Screw them.
Posted by: Buckeye at December 19, 2013 11:01 AM (MEXFt)
If you want to see tolerance, look right here to your blog.
I am a straight Christian white male.
Yet I, and every other regular poster here interact..no, not just interact, but converse with, enjoy and respect AtC.
And it's not just a one way street.
I have never seen her utter a word of intolerance concerning straights, and in many cases people who judge her simply for her lifestyle.
I could even say that if the world was a little bit more like this blog, the world would be a better place.
Well, except for the daywalkers.
Their shit is pretty weak conpared to the night shift.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 19, 2013 11:01 AM (teMpq)
If he doesn't ignore it altogether, somehow it'll be Ted Cruz' fault.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
From a glance at his twitter*, he's busy doing cartwheels over today's imposition of gay marriage by court order in New Mexico.
*"Ha! Ha! Multiple entendre!"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2013 11:01 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2013 11:01 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2013 11:01 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at December 19, 2013 11:02 AM (j0wOO)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo says, free toby at December 19, 2013 11:02 AM (iQxYV)
Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at December 19, 2013 11:02 AM (2oU2+)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 11:02 AM (h4eud)
"strident, fuckheaded Outrage Monkeys"
That would be a great name for a band, by the way.
I also think that Phil Robertson could give a basketful of fucks about A&E or his suspension. The guy took a pass on the NFL to hunt ducks, you think being canned by the oh so urbane twinks at A&E bothers him?
Posted by: UGAdawg at December 19, 2013 11:02 AM (osx1V)
Posted by: Brian Boitano at December 19, 2013 11:02 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 11:03 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 11:03 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 11:03 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 19, 2013 02:58 PM (/Crba)
I was suggesting that Ace's perspective may be skewed because of the NYC bubble. And I am not suggesting that NYC is the most egregious example, but it has the most influence over Ace.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 11:03 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 11:04 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 19, 2013 11:04 AM (GaqMa)
GLAAD is executing the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton business model. Screaming outrage pays, even if you're later proven wrong.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 19, 2013 11:04 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 02:59 PM (/FnUH) >>>>>>
You know what makes it important to me? They are constantly pushing it, rubbing my nose in it, talking about it, putting it in every fucking show, in the fucking commercials. I am sick to death of that shit. It pisses me off. Trying to make me feel bad if I don't like faggotry. If I don't want to see them buggering each other on the fucking street. Otherwise, I have a hellova lotta better things to get burned over. It is part of the leftard agenda, so how exactly can it be good for the country? You know they are dishonest liars about their aims.
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2013 11:04 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 19, 2013 11:05 AM (659DL)
Duck Dynasty hates teh gheys !!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you can bet the farm that Obama is doing cartwheels right now!
Posted by: Hawk at December 19, 2013 02:56 PM (2dYnc)
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I would say that this is true. But I think all of it is basically the same thing, with basically the same goal: The subordination of the individual and the relinquishing of his freedoms.
Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2013 11:05 AM (BM7dA)
Evangelical Christian homosexuals. Wonder if A&E even knows that demographic exists?
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 11:05 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: biscuits mahoney at December 19, 2013 11:05 AM (rpV0l)
Posted by: unambiguiously hemi-anonymous at December 19, 2013 11:05 AM (e8kgV)
I did go on to say that I thought it was a remarkably stupid business decision based upon a series of assumptions that are..well remarkably stupid.
But also a series of assumptions I expect from what are probably libtard CEOs.
As is also noted, Disney owns A&E and may be seeking to protect it's greater empire from backlash (although, I still think it'll prove to be a stupid decision over time.)
You did and I cherry picked. Sorry , should have quoted the whole thing.
I think that the moron on another thread said it best when he said that the AandE intended the show to get America laughing at the backwards-ass yokels. They weren't prepared for what they got instead.
The response has overwhelmed the corporate hive-mind. They are responding the only way they know, in fear with lawyers, to something that they still haven't been able to understand or explain.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 19, 2013 11:05 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: physics geek at December 19, 2013 11:06 AM (MT22W)
Bear in mind, these people are getting PAID to do this. They get DONATIONS off it.
That's a huge economic incentive to be outraged about everything, yeah?
GLAAD's job is not to represent gays, or as I call them, The Queeries.
GLAAD's actual job is to play for the most strident, fuckheaded Outrage Monkeys who write checks when they see GLAAD get scalps.
***
Agreed, Ace.
Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy abides...
Posted by: B at December 19, 2013 11:06 AM (VC56G)
>>>Does A&E not realize that probably like 80% of their audience believes the same thing that Phil does? It's almost as if they have no idea why this show is so popular.
In another brilliant move, A&E soon to release their new blockbuster TV hit: Gay Divorce Court, filmed in San Francisco.
Posted by: wth at December 19, 2013 11:06 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo says, free toby at December 19, 2013 11:06 AM (iQxYV)
It's just not true that the "rest of the country" or the right generally is entirely (or near-entirely) chill on this topic. There is a significant minority (I would guess maybe 20% of conservatives?) for whom it is pretty important.
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 02:59 PM
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Caring about something, and demanding that something be done to change it are two different things. The vast majority of conservatives don't want police squads rounding up homosexuals, but they would appreciate homosexuality not being a protected class that demands everyone celebrate their life choices.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 19, 2013 11:07 AM (AX3vC)
The other side often says being gay is normal or natural for them, but they rarely if ever have noticed that having an aversion to gays might also be normal or natural.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2013 11:07 AM (MaP11)
Posted by: NukemHill at December 19, 2013 11:07 AM (8HmhD)
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 11:07 AM (EWsrI)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2013 11:07 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 02:59 PM (/FnUH)
For argument's sake, I'll grant you that. But it's important as part of a larger package which also includes abortion, promiscuity and the all-around coarsening of the culture. I defy you to find people outside the Fred "I donated to Al Gore!" Phelps freaks who are militant and solely anti-gay crusaders.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 19, 2013 11:07 AM (zF6Iw)
100% correct.
And...if Robertson's detractors had simply disagreed -- vociferously, angrily, whatever -- but hadn't demanded his ousting I would be agreeing with their tactics.
But the next step, FIRE HIM! is, as you described in the post, over a line that we should never cross.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 11:08 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 11:08 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2013 11:08 AM (l1pkh)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 19, 2013 11:08 AM (m+AZt)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 11:09 AM (h4eud)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 19, 2013 11:09 AM (V3kRK)
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2013 11:10 AM (l1pkh)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 11:10 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2013 03:08 PM (l1pkh)
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FORWARD !!
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 11:10 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 19, 2013 11:11 AM (qyfb5)
How much of that expressed desire to "win" the fight against homosexuality is a response to the in-your-face gayness that we have been bombarded by for years?
1%-3% of the population has an out-sized chunk of the social narrative. I think many people are responding to that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 11:11 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 03:08 PM (/FnUH)
I'm not asking them to hide. Just get the fuck out of my face. Its none of my business and I don't want to have it shoved in my face. And about the public buggering? How about the Folsom Street Festival in SF? Is it not their aim to have that shit going on in every city in the country?
Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2013 11:11 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at December 19, 2013 11:11 AM (j0wOO)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 11:12 AM (BC6cY)
"This isn't about the First Amendment because it's a private corporate decision."
The Hollywood Blacklist was private corporate decisions too.
Posted by: Alex at December 19, 2013 11:12 AM (/yzYn)
"That being side, do I think Mr. Robertson maybe could have phrased things a little differently than he did to get his point across."
The guy is a 65 year old swamp rat from Louisiana; what way did anyone think he was going to answer an obviously loaded question?
Posted by: UGAdawg at December 19, 2013 11:12 AM (osx1V)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 19, 2013 11:13 AM (h4eud)
Are they groping each other's genitalia (or french-kissing wildly), or merely sharing an affection peck and/or holding hands? Because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't give a rip about a man and woman doing the latter in front of your kid. So why is it "playing with fire" if two men or two women do it?
I want logic here, not gut feelings, if you're willing to answer me.
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2013 11:13 AM (hDIEK)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 19, 2013 11:13 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 19, 2013 11:13 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2013 11:13 AM (l1pkh)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 03:08 PM (/FnUH)
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Ace,
When I was in NY, some guy jumped out in front of me and proclaimed "I'm gay!" Bully for him and all, but why exactly am I supposed to care one way or the other about who does what to whom? Would it make any more sense for me to start jumping in front of people in SF and yelling "I'M STRAIGHT!!"? Because I'm not really seeing the difference. I'll wager that I might get arrested for the latter action, and that that possibility is far more likely than every getting arrested for the former action. Because apparently some pigs are more equal than others these days. Which, you know, screw that.
Posted by: physics geek at December 19, 2013 11:14 AM (MT22W)
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2013 11:16 AM (l1pkh)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 11:16 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: Wendy at December 19, 2013 11:16 AM (4uSYN)
1%-3% of the population has an out-sized chunk of the social narrative. I think many people are responding to that.
Yeah, this is something that I definitely get, because it speaks to ME as well. And I'm obviously one of the more pro-gay members of the Horde. But man, I absolutely DO understand that get-your-back-up "aw, FUCK YOU" reaction to the relentless, never-ending culture war aspect of the gay rights movement. I have my political principles on this matter (which are essentially libertarian, albeit with certain qualms about the necessity of maintaining a healthy State), but my emotional reactions sometime trump them when I feel like I see people (traditional Christian values-types, in this case) just getting bullied outright.
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2013 11:17 AM (hDIEK)
Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2013 11:17 AM (Ua6T/)
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Gay is a race? Who knew.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 11:17 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 11:17 AM (BC6cY)
A&E could simply have said "his views are not necessarily ours" and 99% of the population would have understood and they would have still had the most popular show on cable, but the velvet mafia was going to make sure it got a chance to make an example and thump their chest.
I love that society has gotten to the point where somebody espousing a Bible verse means they should have their life (potentially) ruined. Had some reality star said something like "Christians are homophobic bigots" do you really think A&E would have fired him?
PS I hope this stays a cultural issue and doesn't become a political one. The idea of Republican politicians talking about homosexuality being a sin doesn't seem like a winner to me, even in the face of this heavy handed jihad against Christians. I genuinely think people pushing back on this is far more effective than legislators weighing in.
Posted by: McAdams at December 19, 2013 11:19 AM (yYPlY)
Against blacks. He said they might've been happier before welfare.
Posted by: Wendy at December 19, 2013 11:19 AM (4uSYN)
Well, on the one hand, they have a RIGHT to do that sort of stuff. But on the other hand, yeah, you have a point: that's definitely pushing it, assuming your account is accurate. Really does seem like transparently 'baiting' behavior, and I just can't stand that sort of shit. Gets to the point I made in #388. I want the same standards of behavior from EVERYONE: I wouldn't want a man and a woman to be french-kissing in front of my second-grader, with their tongues all waggling about, and I wouldn't want two men or two women to be doing it either. But I wouldn't care if a guy and a girl were holding hands or hugging each other so I'm okay with people of the same sex doing it too.
Universal application of the rules!
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 19, 2013 11:20 AM (hDIEK)
Let them pull back a bloody stump or two, and it will stop damn fast, because these babies have no idea what to do when they are actually challenged.
Make. It. Hurt.
Posted by: acethepug at December 19, 2013 11:21 AM (TQmNF)
Companies are not going to give people with opposite views platforms to denigrate their own views. GET OVER IT.
If you do not like the actions of the company, you have a right to refuse to do business with them.
Posted by: astonerii at December 19, 2013 11:21 AM (0xFeB)
Posted by: Wendy at December 19, 2013 03:19 PM (4uSYN)
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Well then I guess I must be racist too then, as I think welfare has done more harm than good to black families.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 11:21 AM (P6QsQ)
One thing I hope doesn't happen - people buying up all the Duck Dynasty merchandise as a show of "support." Almost all that coin goes straight to A&E. On the other hand - everyone I know is getting a Duck Commander duck call for Christmas...whether or not they hunt ducks.
Posted by: Maureen at December 19, 2013 11:22 AM (3htdE)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 19, 2013 11:22 AM (qyfb5)
I mean is it worth the price of a ticket, or just wait for the DVD to hit the bargain bin?
Posted by: Grimace le Tot at December 19, 2013 11:22 AM (fQfMY)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 03:17 PM (BC6cY)
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You've never seen my face, have you? I consider it an act of God that a woman married me. So unless he was the most desparate, horniest gay guy in the history of the world, I'm gonna guess "no".
Posted by: physics geek at December 19, 2013 11:23 AM (MT22W)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 11:23 AM (BC6cY)
Go figure.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 19, 2013 11:24 AM (KQp38)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 11:26 AM (BC6cY)
Apparently Phil has published a work - dated today, available on Amazon.
"Gays, Guns and Liberals"
http://tinyurl.com/ksnunz6
Quote: "Since when can't I say what I truly feel and not the words of one who kneels? A story in allegory. Read between the lines."
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 11:27 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:18 PM (MMC8r)
Who is: Obama
Posted by: karnak at December 19, 2013 11:27 AM (6H6o8)
Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 11:28 AM (EWsrI)
The question to me is why Robertson's comments got such flack when they are essentially mainstream Christianity and identical, for instance, to what the Catholic Catechism teaches (men and women are sexually complementary, gay sex is unnatural and a sin, but the Church calls us to love the sinner and pray for his salvation). To me it's obvious... he had the honesty to use the word "anus." He called attention to what actually happens in male-on-male sex. And the gay lobby can't have that... can't have people noticing that we're talking about things that some people might think are, well, gross. (And things that the Centers for Disease Control consider to be a risk factor for hepatitis, AIDS, etc.)
In short, he called attention to the fact that homosexuality is not all about sipping cocoa in your PJs.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at December 19, 2013 11:28 AM (qHCyt)
Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 11:29 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Andrew at December 19, 2013 11:29 AM (VjlMj)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 11:30 AM (BC6cY)
“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”
How is this even remotely controversial? You can substitute anything for VJ and anus and say essentially the same thing:
“It seems like, to me, a (Chevy)—as a man—would be more desirable than a (Ford). That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! (Chevy’s) got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, (desire): It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”
Posted by: Kirk's Gorn at December 19, 2013 11:30 AM (F192H)
Palin said it shorter though...
"Free speech is an endangered species. Those “intolerants” hatin’ and taking on the Duck Dynasty patriarch for voicing his personal opinion are taking on all of us."
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 19, 2013 11:30 AM (AWmfW)
You know what happens when I finally get weary of being weary? I'll play cowboys and "fill in the blank".
So, all you pole smokers, womynz rights fat bitches, parasite politicians, tiny hitler wannabees. Keep it up. Go right on ahead and keep it up. Pray, pray that the Fatasshians and Dancin with the has beens and the testosterone placebo you call organized sports doesnt suddenly go off the air. Then the lardos will get bored too. And I'll tell them about my fun cowboy activity and they'll want to play, too. Off the couch, then off the chain, running wild.
And when all those rednexx act out, whatcha gonna do? Fire up the hot choco and chat it up?
See you at the races.
Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at December 19, 2013 11:31 AM (KtmYy)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 19, 2013 11:31 AM (cMtUl)
Posted by: L, elle at December 19, 2013 11:32 AM (0xqKe)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2013 11:32 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: ace at December 19, 2013 11:33 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2013 11:34 AM (l1pkh)
I think what will be interesting is the tension between two competing ideas.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2013 11:37 AM (QFxY5)
"as I think welfare has done more harm than good to black families."
No arguments from me on that point.
Posted by: Wendy at December 19, 2013 11:40 AM (4uSYN)
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2013 11:41 AM (l1pkh)
Posted by: seamrog at December 19, 2013 11:42 AM (I0LgG)
Posted by: prescient11 at December 19, 2013 11:46 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Alan at December 19, 2013 11:51 AM (PaV2r)
Posted by: Max at December 19, 2013 11:55 AM (huMoW)
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2013 11:55 AM (3U+HW)
Except it isn't. The First Amendment has been altered by a government decision to change the legal system to explicitly allow and encourage this kind of head-fuck. If there were no "right not to be offended" codified in the law, private property owners would not have to be afraid of losing their businesses etc. to lawfare from the professionally offended.
Posted by: SDN at December 19, 2013 11:56 AM (uGiHE)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 19, 2013 11:56 AM (m+AZt)
67: FWIW, I was working for a government contractor when Tailhook hit & if I remember correctly we had an immediate work stand-down within a few weeks AND I was in the pilot training course for "Sexual Harassment" which has since become a mainstay of almost any employment involving some kind of government regulation
96: You can't be fired for being gay, but apparently you can be fired for being Christian.
Posted by: P Mike at December 19, 2013 11:57 AM (cOgmM)
Posted by: maloderous at December 19, 2013 11:58 AM (p2s4o)
Posted by: Slippery Slope at December 19, 2013 11:59 AM (LMtLQ)
Where in the holy hell do you see the active hostilities on that front outside of Mother Russia? Sure as hell not here in the good old OOOSSSSAAAA.
Missing in all of this is the fact that Phil, in his blunt and special way, pointed out the BIOLOGY involved here - he prefers a vagina to an ass. Which requires you to, like, think about it and notice the actual physical differences between the two. That requires thought which leads to the inevitable discrimination, that one of these things is NOT like the other.
And we can't have discrimination. Or thought for that matter. So let's arm-flail and attack him to distract from that.
I use the same line - you claim that hetero and homo sex are "the same", "no different"? OK, let's bust out the anatomy and biology textbooks and YOU can explain how this is so.
Another issue is the gays have to, cough, "get straight" on WHAT exactly causes homosexuality in each case. Until that happens, ya get no special privilege or protection. Sorry.
Unlike race or gender, which are protected classes because they are clearly IMMUTABLE characteristics from birth, sexual attraction or orientation is NOT immutable, and the gays greatest trick is convincing people that it is, in all cases. I give you Exhibit A in rebuttal - Anne Heche (Ellen's ex), who bounces from cootch to cock on alternating weeks.
Frankly, I think some are born that way, others choose it for fun, others are made to do it, or turn to it out of abuse by the opposite sex, others do it as a result of personality or mental issue. See, since it's an ACT, people can perform an ACT for many reasons.
Sex is primarily an ACT - this is how it was historically regarded. Hetero sex was held higher than others because it is the one and only sex act that follows through on the purpose of sex - procreation. All of the others are recreational only. Sex IS primarily for procreation. That doesn't mean that's the only reason, only that it is the MAIN one.
And when gays DEMAND that their actions be considered to have ONE and ONLY ONE cause, with no hard proof to show that, to the point that they want the behavior TAUGHT, and ACCEPTED, and FUNDED and ACTIVELY SUPPORTED, without any contest, lest you lose your job, your reputation or your finances, you better damn well believe I, and most rational people, have an "issue" of our own with that.
If it was just a private matter, I wouldn't even know about it. But they can't feel accepted unless they wear it like a badge 24/7 - call it a Scarlett G.
So spare me the "War on Gays" crap. Take a jaunt to the tolerant Muslim world for a true look at THAT bloody front line.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at December 19, 2013 11:59 AM (i6shs)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 19, 2013 12:06 PM (WoH6u)
Posted by: Baldy at December 19, 2013 12:20 PM (2bql3)
Posted by: Palooka at December 19, 2013 12:20 PM (aNlIg)
Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2013 12:25 PM (3U+HW)
Posted by: Biff Boffo at December 19, 2013 12:26 PM (YmPwQ)
I remember when A&E had the Metropolitan Opera, or the Boston Pops. It was like PBS with better production values. Now it's full of horrible reality shows, and these Louisiana rednecks are the worst of all.
It would have been worth ending the Civil War with a peace treaty just not to have to live in the same country with them. Or most of you stupid cousin-fuckers in red state trailer parks.
If only our wise and multiracial President, Barack Obama, would do something.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at December 19, 2013 12:26 PM (G6U3l)
Posted by: seamrog at December 19, 2013 12:33 PM (I0LgG)
Posted by: DavidD at December 19, 2013 12:34 PM (Snn4W)
This is an adverse employment decision in contravention of Phil Robertson's right not to be fired for religious beliefs. He should sue A&E, Disney and everybody on up the chain of command. He should force them into discovery, refuse to settle and show them for exactly what they are: spineless shits.
He should (a la Jayne) get the chain of command and beat A&E with it until they understand who's in ruttin' command.
The right needs to aggressively pursue lawfare in every context it can. Conservatives need to leverage the courts against the Self-Annointed Thought Leaders.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 19, 2013 12:34 PM (JSmUP)
I cannot imagine Phil's sons and brother would stand for his being suspended for stating his mainstream Christian beliefs, even if inartfully phrased.
One report said they aren't suspending him for the upcoming season because that is already "in the can" and editing him out would be almost impossible. But by the following season, won't the Professionally Offended have moved on to more recent outrages?
It is possible A&E can claim they will put him on "hiatus," then "enforce" the suspension between seasons, gaining cred with the Complaining Class but not losing a dime - or a star.
Posted by: Adjoran at December 19, 2013 12:52 PM (473jB)
Posted by: not a lawyer at December 19, 2013 12:54 PM (5ly4g)
Posted by: biscuits mahoney at December 19, 2013 01:22 PM (avEon)
Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 19, 2013 01:41 PM (JSmUP)
(PS, I read the whole thing!)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 19, 2013 02:22 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: burt at December 19, 2013 02:35 PM (1+kJ5)
http://tinyurl.com/m3kzn4q
the 'reporter" called what Phil said a "Rant." Please. If you want to see full-bodied, spittle-flecked, balls to the wall ranting, visit any LGBT website.
Posted by: vivi at December 19, 2013 03:06 PM (+/8mE)
Posted by: Optimizer at December 19, 2013 03:11 PM (Mxt9o)
It's a hobby, like crochet or badminton, one's own business. If one gets PO'd because somebody else thinks their religion doesn't accept crochet or badminton, then that one has the problem.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 19, 2013 03:35 PM (80R0X)
Posted by: mantuaBill at December 19, 2013 05:06 PM (/cIKO)
Posted by: Emily at December 19, 2013 05:07 PM (7Rn+/)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 19, 2013 05:11 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 19, 2013 05:14 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: NYC Parent at December 19, 2013 05:45 PM (dbIOh)
Posted by: calvin12 at December 19, 2013 07:14 PM (Lo6hV)
God bless them (but I think He already has).
"We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&EÂ’s decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of PhilÂ’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible.
"Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart” and “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Phil would never incite or encourage hate.We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.
"We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. [Yay!!!] We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family."
Posted by: Beverly at December 20, 2013 12:52 AM (CZ19u)
Anyway. Glad the family is standing on their principles.
Posted by: Beverly at December 20, 2013 12:53 AM (CZ19u)
Posted by: Alex at December 20, 2013 01:47 AM (9oOHN)
Posted by: cypherhalo at December 20, 2013 03:39 AM (QBiGF)
Posted by: RobM1981 at December 20, 2013 03:56 AM (zurJC)
Posted by: Normn Rogers at December 20, 2013 07:53 AM (GVtWn)
How are you? I mean, how are you aside from being a complete dumb ass?
I'm arguing the type of discrimination Phil Robertson is experiencing is banned not by the Constitution, but rather the laws that Congress has duly passed.
Again, please tell me the difference in the following statements and why one is ok under the law and the other is not:
Statement A: I'm going to fire that employee (or independent contractor) because of their race.
Statement B: I'm going to fire that employee (or independent contractor) because of their religion.
I know this is a dead thread and you're an idiot so I won't expect an answer. Schmuck.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 20, 2013 02:24 PM (JSmUP)
Posted by: Joseph Teach at December 20, 2013 04:23 PM (idosS)
Posted by: BronzeNotSilver at December 20, 2013 06:18 PM (9oOHN)
Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 20, 2013 07:53 PM (JSmUP)
You're free to believe whatever you want.
You're free to say whatever you want.
But any combination of the two neither implicates the Constitution nor any of the laws that protect people from adverse employment decisions based on religion.
In the world Alex, aka BronzeNotSilver, occupies employers are free to fire people for expressing their religious views and that in no way implicates protections against religious discrimination.
This is a fun game. Now, if you can provide any case law on point, I'll be more than happy to read it. Good luck with Lexis/Nexis.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 20, 2013 08:07 PM (JSmUP)
Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 20, 2013 08:10 PM (JSmUP)
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