October 25, 2013

Alternative Obamacare Sign Up Methods Are Not Working [Errol F]
— Guest Blogger

In the President's statement Monday he reminded people that, while the website was broken, people could sign up "the old-fashioned way – offline." But Politico reports that effort isn't going so well:

POLITICO reporters who got recorded announcements earlier in the week — sometimes directing them to try HealthCare.gov — can now get through to the call center. Once they connect, staffers like “Justin” try to get people’s information into the online system.

But “Justin” doesn’t have a fast track. Asked if the website works better for him than the general public, he responded: “No.”

“The site does not work for us either,” he said.

It's not just that the phone center isn't really working at the moment, it's that it was never intended to do what the President is asking it to do.

“The telephone call center is not a realistic alternative to the website,” said Adam Linker, a health policy analyst for the North Carolina Justice Center, a consumer advocacy group. “The marketplace was billed as a place to easily shop and compare plans, but on the phone there is no real way to do that.”

Others agree that the call centersÂ’ representatives can provide only limited help to those who want to shop for coverage. ThatÂ’s because some states have dozens of plans to choose from, a process that could take hours to sort through on the telephone.

So the phone number is a short term and long term fail but fear not, there's always the good old paper application. What could possibly go wrong with paper? Back to Politico:

“Our challenges have included coping with the performance of the portal as that is our means of entering data just as it is for the consumer,” Lau said, referring to HealthCare.gov. “With the relatively low volumes of applications we have received thus far, this has not been a problem for us.”

But Serco will be flooded with paper applications if the website glitches persist, predicted John Gorman, founder of the Gorman Health Group, which has advised some of the insurance exchanges. “Serco is going to be swimming in paper within the next two to three weeks,” he said.

What all of this points to is something that the President and many of his allies have been trying to deny for most of the week. Obamacare does not work without a functioning website.

Notice I'm not saying Obamacare does work with a functioning website. There are layers of failure here, most of which we've yet to explore. But the website is necessary for this to even have a hope of working. Here's Ezra Klein on that point:

The federal website is the crucial link between the government, consumers and insurance companies -- and the administration, at least back in June, believed its success would drive everything from public perceptions of the law to the Medicaid expansion...HealthCare.gov isnÂ’t just a website. ItÂ’s essential to ObamacareÂ’s success.

There's more to Klein's argument about why that is so but the bottom line is that the website is mission critical. There really is no workable alternative.

Posted by: Guest Blogger at 02:42 PM | Comments (303)
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1 If only those dastardly Republican governors had set up their own websites, none of this would have happened. - MSNBC Panel (fer realz)

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 02:44 PM (0LHZx)

2 Lying AND incompentent. Winning!

Posted by: Y-not at October 25, 2013 02:44 PM (5H6zj)

3 The Barakhenatening, it has begun?

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2013 02:45 PM (pDCve)

4 I am in need of some flaming skulls !

Posted by: alec at October 25, 2013 02:45 PM (+AP4Y)

5 Only the Obama government could create a web site so bad that it's faster to apply by snail-mail.

Posted by: Max Entropy at October 25, 2013 02:46 PM (QKYRm)

6 FAX MACHINES!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 25, 2013 02:46 PM (DmNpO)

7 Dems --Reinforcing failure since 1964.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 25, 2013 02:46 PM (u82oZ)

8 But “Justin” doesn’t have a fast track. Asked if the website works better for him than the general public, he responded: “No.” “The site does not work for us either,” he said. ===== Ooooooh....Justin is gonna get canned.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 02:48 PM (bCEmE)

9 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 06:44 PM (0LHZx) Really? So MSNBC things 50 different projects instead of 1 (or 1+number of dumb governors who set them up) would have gone better Even if that made any sense at all, the whole point of the state exchanges (and my guess the subsidy carrot that went with them) was to cost shift away from the feds, while leaving the feds in control. Fuck that noise, I don't want to pay for this monstrosity (any more than the coercive law will make me while I fight to roll it back.) And I'm glad my state said "yeah, no fuck you."

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 25, 2013 02:48 PM (GaqMa)

10

This POS law ain't gonna work even if they get a workable website.  It's really not designed to work.   That should be obvious by now.

 

They want to destroy everything American.  And what better way of doing it than taking over one-sixth of the economy and killing a bunch of people with bad  medical care.

Posted by: Soona at October 25, 2013 02:48 PM (XwUBy)

11 Damn those evil insurance companies, with their easy to use premium estimators. They are just trying to make Obama look bad.

Posted by: wooga at October 25, 2013 02:49 PM (/L+BZ)

12

It seemed obvious to me that the flunky on the other end of the 800-F1U-CKYO phone line was just sitting in front of a computer with healthcare.gov pulled up, ready to type in your info.

 

Posted by: RokShox at October 25, 2013 02:49 PM (8MMMw)

13 DERP! DERP! DERP!

Posted by: The Brain Trust @MSNBC at October 25, 2013 02:49 PM (Q9qpj)

14 Rearranging deck chairs

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 02:49 PM (Sptt8)

15 I doubt that it was ever intended to do anything but funnel slush to some donor(s). The level of incompetence and failure is too high for it to be anything else.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 25, 2013 02:49 PM (jNNPU)

16 Yep, I was told that I could expect an application just to verify my income to arrive mid November. Then how do I actually shop for a plan? Who knows. The real trouble starts though when people start seeing the plans. They're ..awful Like Family of 4, Mid 40s, 57k/yr, Deductible $7000,70/30, Family Max 12,100 Monthly Cost $996.75

Posted by: Obama Admin at October 25, 2013 02:50 PM (ELdpj)

17 6 FAX MACHINES! This is more of a carrier pigeon or perhaps smoke signal misadministration.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at October 25, 2013 02:50 PM (hpgw1)

18 >>Notice I'm not saying Obamacare does work with a functioning website. There are layers of failure here, most of which we've yet to explore Why, its almost as if the best strategy to defeat Obamacare is to make the Dems implement Obamacare. Huh, who knew?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 02:50 PM (g1DWB)

19 Smoke signals?

Posted by: Lizzy "Suckagawea" Warren at October 25, 2013 02:50 PM (/C6Mj)

20 Eat your peas shit sandwich.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at October 25, 2013 02:50 PM (pDCve)

21 I suggest using carrier pigeons.

Posted by: wth at October 25, 2013 02:51 PM (wAQA5)

22 Here' s a quote for a low income family. Premium subsidy? Check. Deductible? Uh... Family of 4. Mid 20s. 35K/yr Deductible $10,000 100/0 Family Max $12,700, Monthly Cost $232.76

Posted by: Obama Admin at October 25, 2013 02:53 PM (ELdpj)

23 Today I received an overnight from my individual insurance plan denying the past three days of my child's inpatient stay, based on statements she made to the doctor. She's a child. Kids say the damnedest things. And do them, too.

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 02:53 PM (Sptt8)

24 "Layers of failure."  How appropriate since I'm running AutoCAD right now.

Posted by: wth at October 25, 2013 02:53 PM (wAQA5)

25 if you know semaphore, you can now signal your application to the nearest battleship, destroyer, or frigate!

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 02:53 PM (bJm7W)

26 19 Smoke signals? 21 I suggest using carrier pigeons. Great minds often come to the same conclusion.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at October 25, 2013 02:53 PM (hpgw1)

27 /sock

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 02:53 PM (ELdpj)

28 Like Family of 4, Mid 40s, 57k/yr, Deductible $7000,70/30, Family Max 12,100 Monthly Cost $996.75

We make a little more than that, but not that much, so that is pretty much my situation...if I didn't have Tricare.

That's the rate after the stolen-from-your-pocket "subsidy?"

That is just, just...insane.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 25, 2013 02:53 PM (Q9qpj)

29 I used to program multi-user apps in a data base paradigm. But even *I* would start an end of the month report -- which required a file lock -- then go off and do something else. Which locked everyone else out of using that file until I hit some key. It does not surprise me in the least that the govmint peeps are surprised that shit happens and people are being locked out. Because this is what *has* to happen to maintain the integrity of the data. This administration, which wants to stick its nose up in the air and pretend to be the smartest group of people to ever inhabit the Precedencecy are fools. Being rewarded with adoration by an even greater pool of fools, then rewarded by the adoration of the MSM.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 25, 2013 02:54 PM (U2UQk)

30 It is meant to fail.

Posted by: thunderb at October 25, 2013 02:54 PM (WukZG)

31 Heard two interview's with John McAfee.  In both interviews he said "start over, don't try to fix it".  There is apparently some law among programers (I think he said "Bennet's law) which says the more people you throw at the problem, who weren't on the team originally, the worse things get.

I still don't understand why the contract was given to a Canadian company that had already let the Canadian government down, big time.  With so many US companies why is the government outsourcing?  Outsourcing is the very thing that is hurting this country.  It makes no sense and it seems as though there was no bidding process cause I've read estimates that the site is costing upwards of a billion dollars.  That is a lot of money.  An American company would have jumped at the chance to do this website.  And now, now McAfee said they are calling all the well know folks asking them to help them out, ostensibly for free, because they are patriotic Americans.  So they are being asked for their help to fix a website developed by a Canadian company where the programers, according to McAfee were based in India and all over the internet asking for help because they had a three week training course. 

Is it just me or did this have abject failure written all over it from the get go?

Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 02:54 PM (Nx76m)

32 RL:
If lots of enrollment starts coming through before we have improved the system to an acceptable data error rate (very close to zero) it is going to be catastrophic for consumers and the health plan's customer service reputation.

So, how long will it take to fix the 834 problem such that we have an acceptable error rate?

DC:
At least a year.

http://tinyurl.com/knnq5fk

Posted by: jeannebodine at October 25, 2013 02:54 PM (2LJqa)

33 Yep, Balrog, complete lunacy.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 02:55 PM (ELdpj)

34 Why didn't they just grandfather in all existing plans?  They could have done that and people would not have lost what they already had. 

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 02:55 PM (P6QsQ)

35 so no one should be denied the opportunity to obtain affordable quality health care coverage, I intend to introduce legislation to allow you to enroll via smoke signals.

Posted by: Sen Elizabeth Warren at October 25, 2013 02:55 PM (bJm7W)

36 Never let a good crisis go to waste. The only solution is more government. Single payer baby

Posted by: thunderb at October 25, 2013 02:56 PM (WukZG)

37 The website is just the front end. The real work gets done in the integration layer and from what i read HHS is handling that itself. Website issues are just visual. It seems more and more the backend data and integration layer is the issue.

Posted by: Greppin` The Hash at October 25, 2013 02:56 PM (+w1hQ)

38 Here's a great one. Albany, NY. Family of 3. Mid 40s. 60K/yr, Deductible $4,000 65/35 Yearly Max $6,000,Monthly Cost $1,479

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 02:57 PM (ELdpj)

39 Good luck doing your bit to prop up the re-inflated housing bubble if you are spending 20% of your income on shitty high-deductable and cost-sharing health insurance.


Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 25, 2013 02:57 PM (Q9qpj)

40 rats, I see now that someone else did the smoke signal line first. According to the rules of fair play, it's half mine

Posted by: mallfly warren at October 25, 2013 02:58 PM (bJm7W)

41 “Our challenges have included coping with the performance of the portal as that is our means of entering data just as it is for the consumer,” Lau said, referring to HealthCare.gov. “With the relatively low volumes of applications we have received thus far, this has not been a problem for us.”


Translation: They're lined up none deep for some of that yummy Obamacare.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 25, 2013 02:58 PM (8ZskC)

42 >> It is meant to fail. No, its not. Obama didn't mean to purposely discredit not just himself, his signature piece of legislation and big government liberalism all in one fell swoop. He meant to make it work and then make a slow transition to single payer. Its not working because he lied enormously about every aspect of the plan and because he and his team are incompetent. And it is going to set the case of liberalism and big government back decades.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 02:58 PM (g1DWB)

43 " Why didn't theyjust grandfather in all existing plans? They could have done that and people would not have lost what they already had." Republicans are introducing the "If You Like Your Plan You Can Keep Your Plan Act" Really.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 02:58 PM (ELdpj)

44

Good luck doing your bit to prop up the re-inflated housing bubble if you are spending 20% of your income on shitty high-deductable and cost-sharing health insurance.

 

 

Free Food is a Right!  and Free Housing is a Right!  coming, soon.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2013 02:59 PM (pDCve)

45 Bill Burr.  Kinison without the screaming.  Gun debate.  Funny.  Up the Horde's alley.  

http://tinyurl.com/lxynfau

Posted by: MINEMINEMINE!! at October 25, 2013 02:59 PM (Y1TOm)

46 Really? So MSNBC things 50 different projects instead of 1 (or 1+number of dumb governors who set them up) would have gone better Even if that made any sense at all, the whole point of the state exchanges (and my guess the subsidy carrot that went with them) was to cost shift away from the feds, while leaving the feds in control. Fuck that noise, I don't want to pay for this monstrosity (any more than the coercive law will make me while I fight to roll it back.) And I'm glad my state said "yeah, no fuck you." Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 25, 2013 06:48 PM (GaqMa) __________ Their argument was - laughably - Republican governors should all want to run their own exchange because....FEDERALISM!! Liberals really are that stupid.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 02:59 PM (0LHZx)

47 Is it just me or did this have abject failure written all over it from the get go?

Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 06:54 PM (Nx76m)

 

 

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Not just the website, but all 2000+ pages of this whole fucking law.  The congressweasels that voted for this should be familiarized with ropes and lamp-posts.

Posted by: Soona at October 25, 2013 02:59 PM (XwUBy)

48 Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Posted by: Obama's Favorability Rating at October 25, 2013 03:00 PM (8ZskC)

49 Republicans are introducing the "If You Like Your Plan You Can Keep Your Plan Act" Really.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 06:58 PM (ELdpj)


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I saw that.  Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) is proposing it.

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:00 PM (P6QsQ)

50 I still don't understand why the contract was given to a Canadian company that had already let the Canadian government down, big time.

An IG examination of the no-bid contract administrator's bank records and lifestyle choices would explain it.

Someone, somewhere, got a phat bribe.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 25, 2013 03:00 PM (4tK7k)

51 The biggest problem they are going to have is getting people over 27 to sign up.  Apparently the plan\s success is predicated on them paying their premiums and not using the insurance at all.  They've come out and said they are necessary in order for the program to work.  It feels sort of Amway ish to me.  I read something today that 1/3 of the youth claimed they would be signing up and this is making them breathe a sigh of relief.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 03:00 PM (Nx76m)

52 and you know, or at least I do, that if this all goes according to plan, we will next (in a few years, although it started in 2008 or earlier) begin to hear that people just aren't saving enough for retirement, so we'll need to have a Pension Protection and Affordable Retirement Act, which will make everyone purchase a retirement plan or...

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:00 PM (bJm7W)

53 Family of 4. Mid 20s. 35K/yr Deductible $10,000 100/0 Family Max $12,700, Monthly Cost $232.76 Posted by: Obama Admin at October 25, 2013 06:53 PM (ELdpj) ____________ I'd give my left nut for a policy that cheap. Since I am an evil rich (white) guy, that same policy for me costs $950 a month.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:01 PM (0LHZx)

54 I read something today that 1/3 of the youth claimed they would be signing up and this is making them breathe a sigh of relief.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 07:00 PM (Nx76m)


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I'm curious as to where you read that.

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:01 PM (P6QsQ)

55 My carrier, who canceled my insurance 2 weeks ago, sent me a letter today reminding me to sign up for a new policy by November 20th as that is the last date to ensure I have coverage for 2014. Of course, when I go on their website and try to get in, I get stuck when they try to take me to the Obamacare site.

Posted by: jeannebodine at October 25, 2013 03:01 PM (2LJqa)

56 50 I still don't understand why the contract was given to a Canadian
company that had already let the Canadian government down, big time.

An IG examination of the no-bid contract administrator's bank records and lifestyle choices would explain it.

Someone, somewhere, got a phat bribe.

Posted by: Purp at October 25, 2013 07:00 PM (4tK7k)

 

Hadn't they just recently purchased a Virginia based tech company?  That sounds like payoff to some Washington area insiders.

Posted by: buzzion at October 25, 2013 03:01 PM (LI48c)

57 >>>rats, I see now that someone else did the smoke signal line first. According to the rules of fair play, it's half mine

Posted by: mallfly warren at October 25, 2013 06:58 PM (bJm7W) <<<


No prob. Obviously, the Suckagawea sock is all for re-distributing the posts.

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 25, 2013 03:01 PM (/C6Mj)

58 All of the Cluster F*ck issues don't even address the most serious consequences of what is going to happen, i.e., the reduced availability/quality/choice of medical services. Well..., that and the fact that the costs to taxpayers is going to be staggering. The direct premium cost may prove to be the least bad thing about it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 25, 2013 03:02 PM (aDwsi)

59 54 I read something today that 1/3 of the youth claimed they would be signing up and this is making them breathe a sigh of relief.


Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 07:00 PM (Nx76m)

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I'm curious as to where you read that.

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 07:01 PM (P6QsQ)

 

Its catpiss.  Probably lying through its rotting teeth as usual.

Posted by: buzzion at October 25, 2013 03:02 PM (LI48c)

60 Having been a regional manager for one of the largest insurance carriers and being married to a physician, the initial suggestion of govt run health insurance was ludicrous. This SCOAMTTcare BS is something else all together which I cannot yet define, but the C in SCOAMTT comes close to beginning.

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 03:02 PM (Sptt8)

61 It wasn't meant to fail, though that would almost be better, as it would at least suggest a certain level of competence.

No, these idiots actually believe in this tire fire.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 25, 2013 03:02 PM (Q9qpj)

62 When they pass Immigration reform there won't be enough money to cover all the entitlements and the healthcare.  There aren't enough people working to support it all plus medicare, medicade and social security. 

Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 03:02 PM (Nx76m)

63 I still don't understand why the contract was given to a Canadian __________ Technically it wasn't a Canadian company. It's an American company that is wholly owned by a Canadian company. Which I know still means it's a Canadian company logically, but when is the last time logic and federal government ever worked together?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:02 PM (0LHZx)

64 re 50: and remember the fuss when it turned out that Halliburton would sometimes get a no-bid contract for work that no other company could actually do?

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:03 PM (bJm7W)

65 If you like your ACA death spiral, you can keep your ACA death spiral.

Posted by: @ParisParamus at October 25, 2013 03:03 PM (vaNTd)

66 >>The direct premium cost may prove to be the least bad thing about it. The website is the least bad thing about it. Let that one sink in for a bit.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 03:03 PM (g1DWB)

67 I read something today that 1/3 of the youth claimed they would be signing up and this is making them breathe a sigh of relief.Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 07:00 PM (Nx76m)


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I'm curious as to where you read that.
Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 07:01 PM (P6QsQ)


ISWYDT

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 25, 2013 03:03 PM (8ZskC)

68 43 " Why didn't theyjust grandfather in all existing plans? They could have done that and people would not have lost what they already had." Republicans are introducing the "If You Like Your Plan You Can Keep Your Plan Act" Really. Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 06:58 PM (ELdpj) Oh sure, Insurance companies can just plan at the drop of a hat. Good grief....what a fucking clusterfuckity.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:04 PM (bCEmE)

69 I read something today that 1/3 of the youth claimed they would be signing up

They're only saying that cuz they ain't seen the rates yet. 

I expect passive non-compliance to be in the 90% range once people see what its gonna cost.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 25, 2013 03:04 PM (4tK7k)

70 64 re 50: and remember the fuss when it turned out that Halliburton would sometimes get a no-bid contract for work that no other company could actually do?

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 07:03 PM (bJm7W)

 

And then they actually did the work competently?  Disgusting.

Posted by: buzzion at October 25, 2013 03:04 PM (LI48c)

71 re 62: that's the idea.

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:04 PM (bJm7W)

72 42>> JackStraw, if what you say is even remotely true the Affurmatif Axshun Presnit and his entire administration are the single greatest failure in American history.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 25, 2013 03:04 PM (KuUy9)

73 "They're only saying that cuz they ain't seen the rates yet. " Yep. Such as: VA. 27 y/o, 45K/year: Deductible : $3,500, 80/20, Yearly Max $6,350 Monthly Cost $1,426.00 Premium: $1,426.00

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:05 PM (ELdpj)

74 Its not working because he -------------------- and those around him are clueless ivory tower theoreticians.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 25, 2013 03:05 PM (aDwsi)

75 One wonders where another finds the time for all this reading, as well as conversations with a cross section of New York society, given the heavy commitment of time and effort required to adequately care for dozens of cats, while also searching for suitable gay porn websites to link to on conservative websites.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 25, 2013 03:06 PM (Q9qpj)

76 Anyone seen my carrier pigeon?

Posted by: Dang at October 25, 2013 03:06 PM (Hx2XA)

77 Me send um smoke signal from sacred Harvard yard. Me sign up ok.

Posted by: Lieawatha (Dem. Mass.) at October 25, 2013 03:06 PM (O7OxF)

78 31 Heard two interview's with John McAfee. In both interviews he said "start over, don't try to fix it". There is apparently some law among programers (I think he said "Bennet's law) which says the more people you throw at the problem, who weren't on the team originally, the worse things get. ______________ It's true. Imagine you have 10 people building an app. Then you bring in 10 more. These have don't have a clue what the first 10 did. So they start making changes to things that they're not really sure about. Which breaks things. Which causes even more work for the original 10. And it's a death spiral from there. Obama however is treating this as if it's an assembly line. 10 workers produce X amount of work, 20 workers product 2X amount of work. RIGHT? Yeah, sure. Why not.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:06 PM (0LHZx)

79 So....when is the shit hitting hitting the fan going to end and we are not going to take it anymore?  I am tired of the lack of Republican response on this.. When does the funny responses end?

Posted by: mad and and not takimg anymore at October 25, 2013 03:06 PM (yXUM8)

80 Its not working because he lied enormously about every aspect of the plan and because he and his team are incompetent. And it is going to set the case of liberalism and big government back decades.


It didn't help that King Barky is an abject imbecile when it comes to basic macro-economics.  He actually thought that if he willed cheaper policies, there will be cheaper policies.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 25, 2013 03:06 PM (8ZskC)

81 The website is the least bad thing about it. Let that one sink in for a bit.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 07:03 PM (g1DWB)

 

 

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THIS!  THIS!  Very much, THIS!

Posted by: Soona at October 25, 2013 03:06 PM (XwUBy)

82 Such as: VA. 27 y/o, 45K/year: Deductible : $3,500, 80/20, Yearly Max $6,350 Monthly Cost $1,426.00 Premium: $1,426.00

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:05 PM (ELdpj)


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I have a 27 year old.  No 27 year old is going to pay 1400 bucks a month for health insurance. 

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:07 PM (P6QsQ)

83 I'm shocked.  Obama had so much on his resume that indicated he'd be able to make this a success.

Posted by: Dang at October 25, 2013 03:07 PM (Hx2XA)

84 Passing immigration "reform" is not exactly a foregone conclusion.

Dunce

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 25, 2013 03:07 PM (Q9qpj)

85 "I'd give my left nut for a policy that cheap" I wouldn't call a deductible that's over nearly 1/3 their yearly income "cheap".

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:07 PM (ELdpj)

86 The direct premium cost may prove to be the least bad thing about it.

People are going to look at the deductibles for the "affordable" plans and realize they're far better off just paying the fine and going out of pocket for everything else.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 25, 2013 03:07 PM (4tK7k)

87 68 43 " Why didn't theyjust grandfather in all existing plans? They could have done that and people would not have lost what they already had." Republicans are introducing the "If You Like Your Plan You Can Keep Your Plan Act" Really. Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 06:58 PM (ELdpj) Oh sure, Insurance companies can just plan at the drop of a hat. Good grief....what a fucking clusterfuckity. Posted by: Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 07:04 PM (bCEmE) ____________ Republicans are as clueless about the real world as Democrats. This is what happens when every politician is a lawyer.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:08 PM (0LHZx)

88 I expect passive non-compliance to be in the 90% range once people see what its gonna cost. Posted by: Purp ----------------------------- And that penalties are negligible. Of course the other option is to simply lie about your income, and get a huge subsidy. *That* fraud will be endemic.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 25, 2013 03:08 PM (aDwsi)

89 34 Why didn't they just grandfather in all existing plans? They could have done that and people would not have lost what they already had. That would be counter to the (not so) hidden agenda.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at October 25, 2013 03:08 PM (hpgw1)

90 There may be some start up problems but once it really gets started they'll never mix up appendectomy with addadicktome. Just make sure you enter the correct 10 digit code and remember it is case sensitive.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 25, 2013 03:08 PM (APlZl)

91 "No 27 year old is going to pay 1400 bucks a month for health insurance. " I think that can safely be amended to NOBODY is going to pay 1400/month for health insurance.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:08 PM (ELdpj)

92 I read something today that 1/3 of the youth claimed they would be signing up and this is making them breathe a sigh of relief.

1/3 of the youth claim they'll get out of bed before noon but reconsider when confronted with reality. Sticker shock will be the death knell of youth participation in this dumbshit of a law.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 25, 2013 03:08 PM (+lsX1)

93 It's not merely, FUBAR, but SNAFUBAR, my reference to Captain Tupolev, isn't incidental, although is more a full volley into the American economy,

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at October 25, 2013 03:09 PM (Jsiw/)

94 This is what happens when every politician is a lawyer.

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Sen. Johnson  - the author of the bill  - is not a lawyer, he is an accountant and small business owner.

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:09 PM (P6QsQ)

95 I have a 27 year old. No 27 year old is going to pay 1400 bucks a month for health insurance. Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 07:07 PM (P6QsQ) Yep....I have one also. He'll probably pay just the $95 fine....if even that.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:09 PM (bCEmE)

96 I have trouble believing King Putt would be bothered whether it failed or not. I'm sure it was just delegated to the payee of the day. He wins either way, has no accountability. Anyway you slice it, it winds up single payer. Besides, shiny object. Other things are in the works, you may be sure.

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 03:09 PM (Sptt8)

97 But they'll pay 60% of my medical costs!  Seriously,  I have never seen a plan that pathetic until Obamacare came along.  Talk about "substandard" insurance.

Posted by: Dang at October 25, 2013 03:10 PM (Hx2XA)

98 58: Right. Got your overpriced shiny new insurance, now try to get a doctor to see you.

Posted by: RokShox at October 25, 2013 03:10 PM (8MMMw)

99 "I still don't understand why the contract was given to a Canadian company that had already let the Canadian government down, big time. With so many US companies why is the government outsourcing?"

The question to ask is not "with so many US companies why is the government outsourcing".

The question to ask is, "with SO MANY AMERICANS JOBLESS, why is the government outsourcing"?

Salt that question with some middle-aged IT workers who were laid off and who haven't been able to find work.

The incredibly paltry job growth during the Obama "recovery" is the left's vulnerable unprotected underbelly. Sharpen up the blade to a razor edge and stick them right there with it. Repeatedly, forcefully and with malice aforethought.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 25, 2013 03:11 PM (gqT4g)

100 Socialism is getting half at twice the price.

Posted by: toby928© at October 25, 2013 03:11 PM (QupBk)

101 I'm going to use every dime's worth of my mandatory drug rehab coverage if I have to take up the crack pipe to do it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 25, 2013 03:12 PM (8ZskC)

102 Obamacare should have been called OOPS

(O)ut (O)f (P)ocket (S)hit

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 25, 2013 03:12 PM (4tK7k)

103 At least my birth control pills are covered.  That's a relief.

Of course I'm old.  And celibate.  But no matter. 

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:12 PM (P6QsQ)

104 Remind me again why impeachment is/was such a bad idea. Especially after Shutdown Follies. Would impeachment really have a worse result?

Posted by: Sam Hill at October 25, 2013 03:12 PM (weRQo)

105 "97 But they'll pay 60% of my medical costs! Seriously, I have never seen a plan that pathetic until Obamacare came along. Talk about "substandard" insurance." Seriously! I didn't even know that 60/40 plans existed. I've never seen anything lower than 70/30 and those plans used to be like $250/month for a family of 5. Now? $700+, and I hope you like you're $10,000 deductible. Forget about 80/20.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:13 PM (ELdpj)

106 Ocare keeps reminding me of the Battle of the Little Bighorn. May we all be aboriginals and ready our Henry repeaters.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at October 25, 2013 03:13 PM (hpgw1)

107 >>JackStraw, if what you say is even remotely true the Affurmatif Axshun Presnit and his entire administration are the single greatest failure in American history. Well, yeah. Haven't we all been saying that for years now? Look at the people leading this debacle. Pelosi, Reid, Obama et al. None of them, not a one, has any real world experience. They don't have a clue about how the insurance market place actually works or the gigantic set of dominoes they have set in motion. They fundamentally don't understand free market economics because they don't like it. They believe in central planning and command economies. Progressives (read commies) have been dreaming about taking over insurance since the 30's because they know this is the key to controlling the population. But their Achilles' heel is they have no friggin idea how to do it. This won't work because it can't work. American's won't stand for it when they finally see this turd in all its awfulness. The math just does not work in a truly free market country like America. Go ahead, fix the website. Then people will see the real horror.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 03:14 PM (g1DWB)

108 Looking back, maybe shelling out 9 bucks a month for your own slut pills wasn't such a bad idea afterall, eh Sandra?

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:14 PM (P6QsQ)

109 "He'll probably pay just the $95 fine"

He only makes $9500.00 a year? Because it's 1% of your income with a $95.00 minimum as the fine for next year.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 25, 2013 03:14 PM (IV4od)

110 oh, speaking of pigeons, this was in the NY Times:

The world of pigeon racing was rocked to its core this week — no joke — when six Belgian birds failed drug tests for banned performance-enhancing drugs.

According to multiple news reports, five birds tested positive for a human painkiller that combats inflammation, and another tested positive for cocaine. Top officials at an association of pigeon fanciers in the country said they were shocked at the news.

link if you want:    http://nyti.ms/1c58lao

I expect Elizabeth Warren will introduce legislation to accomplish nothing.

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:14 PM (bJm7W)

111 The math just does not work in a truly free market country ------------------- Oh. You must not be using 'Complete Math'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 25, 2013 03:14 PM (aDwsi)

112 I have a 27 year old. No 27 year old is going to pay 1400 bucks a month for health insurance. Make him put that 1400 bucks a month into a cookie jar. I guarantee* you after a decade of 'contributions' ($168,000) he'll have $151,200 in the jar. Ten percent will go to claims. Ten percent. * Insert standard weasel words here

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 25, 2013 03:15 PM (U2UQk)

113 51 . I read something today that 1/3 of the youth claimed they would be signing up and this is making them breathe a sigh of relief. Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 07:00 PM (Nx76m) ---------------- Could. Would. Should. Suuuuuure.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 25, 2013 03:15 PM (dfYL9)

114 Fucktardery taken to new levels. Im beyond weeping for my country. I think catatonia is next

Posted by: fastfreefall at October 25, 2013 03:15 PM (Tz35j)

115 obama is an idiot. he has no idea what HIS plan does or how it works and neither does he really care. I mean fuck the proletariat! obamacare numbers don't add up and they never will so why should a phone number work, unless it's the phone number to the workers reeducation camp comrade

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 25, 2013 03:15 PM (UbDLm)

116 It's quite simple. Just write your particulars on a piece of paper, put it in a bottle, and cast it into the ocean.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 25, 2013 03:15 PM (APlZl)

117 >>>people could sign up "the old-fashioned way – offline."<<<


The Amish way?

Wait, the Amish are exempt right?
We're all Amish now!

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 25, 2013 03:15 PM (/C6Mj)

118 You piss heads are gonna really like OCommieCare when the ACORN/SEIU navigators show up at your door to help you enter your info and get signed up to contribute to the LoFoMoFo Lazy asses who pay for nuthin!
Your gonna love that when Bertha Butts and her side kick Archie show up to register ya.

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at October 25, 2013 03:16 PM (uUXp6)

119 You guys are quoting numbers and percentages like they mean something to Obama.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2013 03:16 PM (hACFu)

120 The Soviets with the full force of KGB and other state apparatus behind them wouldn't have been able to get people to sign up for this shit.

Even they understood there were limits to the insanity you could compel a populace to swallow.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 25, 2013 03:16 PM (4tK7k)

121 All of this makes it really hard to keep being a productive member of society. You know, I have a family house that I could live in rent free, my husband could get on disability, we could get medicaid, and I could tell the world to fuck off. Sounds more and more appealing every single day. Instead my poor husband works 70 hours a week and travels all over the country to support us. Just so the government can take more and more and more.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:16 PM (ELdpj)

122 Sen. Johnson - the author of the bill - is not a lawyer, he is an accountant and small business owner. Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 07:09 PM (P6QsQ) ______ Fair enough. Then I assume his bill is for show and PR (not a bad thing mind you). He must realize that insurance companies that have planned to get rid of the old plans for 3 years can't just snap their fingers and re-introduce them.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:16 PM (0LHZx)

123 Da, comrade, this is exactly the same model we used to distribute automobiles to the people.

Da, it was a broke dick clusterfuck when we did it.

Posted by: Soviet-era Industrial Manager at October 25, 2013 03:17 PM (Q9qpj)

124 He only makes $9500.00 a year? Because it's 1% of your income with a $95.00 minimum as the fine for next year. Posted by: lowandslow at October 25, 2013 07:14 PM (IV4od) No. I should have just said, 'He'll probably just pay the fine.'

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:17 PM (bCEmE)

125

@34Why didn't they just grandfather in all existing plans? They could have done that and people would not have lost what they already had.

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Because those existing plans didn't require coverage for birth control and abortion.

 

Posted by: junior at October 25, 2013 03:17 PM (UWFpX)

126 Seriously! I didn't even know that 60/40 plans existed. I've never seen anything lower than 70/30 and those plans used to be like $250/month for a family of 5. Now? $700+, and I hope you like you're $10,000 deductible. Forget about 80/20. Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:13 PM (ELdpj) ___________ Let's not get too carried away here. I have (until Dec 31) a 70/30 type plan with a $7K family deductible and the premium is $450...for a family of 4, not 5.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:18 PM (0LHZx)

127 103 At least my birth control pills are covered. That's a relief. mama winger, it may be harmful to your sanity to channel Sanda Fluke. "I was proud to share the stories of my friends at Georgetown Law who have suffered dire medical consequences because our student insurance does not cover contraception for the purpose of preventing pregnancy." -- Sandra Fluke

Posted by: Angel with a sword at October 25, 2013 03:18 PM (hpgw1)

128 "Wait, the Amish are exempt right?"

And what is up with that? The government decides which Christian denominations are excluded? Boy that pisses me off, it's like the Amish have better lobbyists then the Catholics.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 25, 2013 03:18 PM (IV4od)

129 Make him put that 1400 bucks a month into a cookie jar. I guarantee* you after a decade of 'contributions' ($168,000) he'll have $151,200 in the jar. Ten percent will go to claims. Ten percent.

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Fortunately he has TriCare.  Many of his friends are not so fortunate.  They are young and just starting out.  Trying to buy their first house. Trying to have their first child.  I can't imagine how will they ever get off the ground financially. 

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:18 PM (P6QsQ)

130 so I'm 24, a third year sophomore majoring in Diversity and Wommyn's Studies, and I make 80 a week waiting tables on the weekend. I expect to receive my PhD in the next eight or ten years.
Presuming I live in a state without a state health exchange, how much will my Affordable Care insurance cost you..?


Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:18 PM (bJm7W)

131 Go ahead, fix the website. Then people will see the real horror.

^^^ THIS 1000x

The reality still hasn't sunk in with the majority of the public yet.

There's about a 2-3 month information "soak time" before the whole of the public becomes familiar with something.  We're still at the beginning of that period.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 25, 2013 03:19 PM (4tK7k)

132 In Stalin's USSR, there was what was termed the Stakhanovite "hero worker" movement, after a miner who managed to produce several times over the official quota on one shift.

It was all a stunt, and Stakhanov had backup, but what it did was to give Stalin the ability to put the screws to the rest of the USSR's production workforce. Are _you_ a hero worker, Comrade, as Andrei is? And why not? Comrade Stakhanov loves the Soviet Union and shows it. Do you not? (With the threat of the gulag always looming in the background.)

So, ordinary workers started pushing themselves beyond reasonable limits. Production went up sharply. For a little while. Then the crippling injuries and accidental deaths and machinery damage and mine collapses began, as a result of the inhuman pace, and production collapsed to below its original levels.

In software, you see this when management urge coders to work 18 hours a day to meet critical deadlines. Software is a cognitively demanding job. It requires well rested people. Fatigue murders the ability to spot bugs or even to remember a particular variable name.

Of course, the Obama crew are now invoking Stakhanovite measures trying to fix the problem that they've created. It won't work any better in Obama's America than it did in Stalin's USSR.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 25, 2013 03:19 PM (gqT4g)

133

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 25, 2013 07:15 PM (/C6Mj)

 

Actually brings up an interesting question...

 

How do the poor, who don't have computers, sign up for Obama care?

 

I've seen this canard used to give away free phones and service... is that why the Free Obama phones come with Obama care in some states?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 25, 2013 03:19 PM (lZBBB)

134 I'd love to believe that Americans won't stand for SCOAMTTcare, but the pot has been getting warmer for a long time now. Consider what kind of an American would not be offended and pissed to be told that if they like their doctor they can keep their doctor? Who the F is the Choom SCOAMTT to tell me shit? Then consider the fact he won two elections and has been swelling the ranks if the dependent all the while.

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 03:20 PM (3R0Zs)

135 103 At least my birth control pills are covered. That's a relief. Of course I'm old. And celibate. But no matter. Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 07:12 PM (P6QsQ) ___________ Ahh, but as the wise Dr. Sandra Fluke told us, birth control pills aren't just for birth control...they prevent cancer and such too. It's true, I read in online.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:20 PM (0LHZx)

136 Socialism is getting half at twice the price. --- And the reeducation camps. Don't forget the reeducation camps.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 25, 2013 03:20 PM (PjgvN)

137 Sounds more and more appealing every single day. Instead my poor husband works 70 hours a week and travels all over the country to support us. Just so the government can take more and more and more.


What? But Harry Reid said you'll like paying more taxes!

http://tinyurl.com/jw6lo5p

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 25, 2013 03:20 PM (8ZskC)

138 oh, and don't forget, you don't really pay the fine if you owe the IRS money on April 15. If they owe you, they'll take it out of your refund.

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:20 PM (bJm7W)

139 "Let's not get too carried away here. I have (until Dec 31) a 70/30 type plan with a $7K family deductible and the premium is $450...for a family of 4, not 5." Well, fair enough, I was going from when I was pricing them about 6 years ago when my husband switched jobs and we had a gap in coverage. Where are you located (county and state) and I'll pull up what the same plan will cost you through the exchange.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:20 PM (ELdpj)

140 Of course they're not working. But whoever signs into the website just exposed their entire self to the worst pirates ever.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 25, 2013 03:21 PM (MhA4j)

141 How do the poor, who don't have computers, sign up for Obama care? I've seen this canard used to give away free phones and service... is that why the Free Obama phones come with Obama care in some states? Posted by: Romeo13 at October 25, 2013 07:19 PM (lZBBB) _________ You kidding me? Take 100 welfare recipients at random and 95 of them will have a nice laptop than you do. There is no such thing as a poor American. Poor in America means you only have 300 channels instead of 500.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:21 PM (0LHZx)

142 Never had this problem with voodoo witch doctors Pieces of eight

Posted by: lum de lum de lo lum de lum de lie at October 25, 2013 03:21 PM (O7OxF)

143 So, what us the over/under on Justin being fired?

Posted by: Boone at October 25, 2013 03:22 PM (3p8HS)

144 OT but not really

HHS has decided to increase my pain med costs.


HHS to ask DEA to Put Vicodin in the same Category as Cocaine


http://tinyurl.com/oy68dgw


Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 25, 2013 03:22 PM (MnSla)

145 Since I kneel and bow to the east each morning when I stretch and flex, I think I may qualify as Mooslim, thus EXEMPT!
Alli alli achmed free....
you Commie assholes can't find me....
I may be Mooslim you can't tell....
show up at my house and go to hell...

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at October 25, 2013 03:23 PM (uUXp6)

146 "HHS has decided to increase my pain med costs. HHS to ask DEA to Put Vicodin in the same Category as Cocaine" You don't really need that Vicodin, here have some Tramadol.

Posted by: HHS Looking Out For Joethefatman at October 25, 2013 03:23 PM (ELdpj)

147 You don't need that pacemaker.  Here, have an aspirin.

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:24 PM (P6QsQ)

148 Also, perhaps your pain would go away if you lost some weight. Here's a link to a site telling you to drink water.

Posted by: HHS Looking Out For Joethefatman at October 25, 2013 03:24 PM (ELdpj)

149 Obama Tells Students: I Liked Math Until It Got HardÂ… Yeah we know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 25, 2013 03:24 PM (UbDLm)

150 Well, fair enough, I was going from when I was pricing them about 6 years ago when my husband switched jobs and we had a gap in coverage. Where are you located (county and state) and I'll pull up what the same plan will cost you through the exchange. Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:20 PM (ELdpj) __________ Things have changed quite a bit in 6 years. I live in WA state. The prices are already available. WA is one of teh states that runs its own site, and you don't need to create an account to browse. Cheapest plan is $580ish with a $12K deductible. But this is for an HMO which I'd rather go without insurance than partake in. Cheapest PPO is $610. Buying outside the exchange, ie directly from Blue Cross is $620. So really, for me, since I am too rich to get any govt cheese, I don't have to go through the exchange. It will cost about $150 more a month. Sucks. But not the end of the world either.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:24 PM (0LHZx)

151 "OT but not really / HHS has decided to increase my pain med costs. / HHS to ask DEA to Put Vicodin in the same Category as Cocaine"

Unfortunately you can expect no relief from the Republican Party on this.

The War On Certain Drugs is one of those star-spangled, red-white-and-blue completely bipartisan fusterclucks that can't be blamed entirely on the Democrats.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 25, 2013 03:25 PM (gqT4g)

152

Posted by: torquewrench at October 25, 2013 07:19 PM (gqT4g)

 

Add in that one idiot can bring down a whole project with poorly written code?  as it interacts with everything else?

 

And that the chance of having an idiot on the team rises exponentially with the amount of people on said team?

 

Its like the Freeway.... get ONE idiot in the Fast Lane? and it can screw up a whole traffic pattern...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 25, 2013 03:25 PM (lZBBB)

153 $620's not horrible (although, like you said still an increase) The cheapest plan here for us is $750, and hilariously that's WITH a subsidy because the limit is a ridiculous $127,000 for a family of 6.

Posted by: HHS Looking Out For Joethefatman at October 25, 2013 03:26 PM (ELdpj)

154 Wow....Wrigleyville has a big ole fire going on.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:26 PM (bCEmE)

155 Yeah like one idiot in the White House, except we've got oodles.

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 03:27 PM (3R0Zs)

156 By far the most far reaching problem with this ckufing pile of dogshit is the fact that it's going to suck so many dollars out of the general economy. Those sky-high premiums mean less money spent just about everywhere else.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 25, 2013 03:27 PM (oFCZn)

157 Ooops, I'll claim government takeover of my computer...

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:27 PM (ELdpj)

158 Gee, this Obama fellow is kind of full of FAIL.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 25, 2013 03:28 PM (lVPtV)

159 Wow....Wrigleyville has a big ole fire going on.

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WHAT  ????

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 03:28 PM (P6QsQ)

160 Fuckin tramadol. Military docs prescribe that shit and try toconvince you its good shit. Lame.

Posted by: fastfreefall at October 25, 2013 03:28 PM (Tz35j)

161 Obama Tells Students: I Liked Math Until It Got HardÂ…

With Barry, I think this kicked in at the multiplication-tables

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 25, 2013 03:28 PM (d7tB2)

162

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 07:21 PM (0LHZx)

 

And yet the Left uses something even more prevalent in America.... ID... to stop Voter ID laws...

 

How... interesting...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 25, 2013 03:28 PM (lZBBB)

163 Lauren, I take that back...cheapest HMO option is $517 a month with $12k family deductible. But like I said, HMO...fuck that. I'll gladly pay more to have a PPO and choose what doctor I see without needing a referral from a GP (which in my opinion are useless since 9/10 times they just refer you to someone else anyway, why do I need the middle man?)

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:28 PM (0LHZx)

164 My wife is an official redskin Indian (feather, not dot) Native American and I've heard they're exempt. Maybe I can get heap big waiver too.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 25, 2013 03:28 PM (APlZl)

165 Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 06:58 PM (g1DWB) You are right that Obama probably didn't mean for it to fail (or at a minimum to fail this quickly). The problem is that despite his name being on it, he didn't have anything to do with writing it, or even really with executing it, if Sebelius is to be believed when she said he didn't know of any problems until after launch. Certainly, those drafting it didn't intend for it to fail THIS badly. But it very well may have been intended to fail. A lot of the legislators are in the record as saying that this was intended to be a step toward single payer.

Posted by: Boone at October 25, 2013 03:29 PM (3p8HS)

166 and remember:

2007 "Dissent is the highest for of patriotism" (Jerkface Kerry)

2009 "Paying taxes in patriotic" (Pass the Paste Biden)

and from the Weekly Standard (some of you have already mentioned this but I needed to see it for myself): "“The only people who feel there shouldn’t be more coming in to the federal government from the rich people are the Republicans in the Congress,” Reid told the radio host, according to Roll Call. “Everybody else, including the rich people, are willing to pay more. They want to pay more.”

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:29 PM (bJm7W)

167 159 Wow....Wrigleyville has a big ole fire going on. ------------ WHAT ???? Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 07:28 PM (P6QsQ) Yeah.... http://tinyurl.com/kegdopk

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:30 PM (bCEmE)

168 >>I'd love to believe that Americans won't stand for SCOAMTTcare, but the pot has been getting warmer for a long time now. You don't boil a frog by throwing him in scalding water. You do it by slowly turning up the heat. Full blown Obamacare is scalding hot water by the tub full. People are waking up. Even the msm is slowly shaking off their stupid. And we are only 3 weeks into a broken website.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 03:30 PM (g1DWB)

169 Stuff the Tramadol in mooches cooch with the flippen gallon jug of water. I'm sure there's room.

Tramadol destroys my sleep. Every time I took that crap, I spent more time awake than asleep.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 25, 2013 03:30 PM (MnSla)

170 "Everybody else, including the rich people, are willing to pay more. They want to pay more.” " Hey Harry, fuck you.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:30 PM (ELdpj)

171 A lot of the legislators are in the record as saying that this was intended to be a step toward single payer. That idea is pretty boned with this roll out. Who in their right minds could look at this and decide that the answer is to put the government in complete control of healthcare in America?

Posted by: toby928© at October 25, 2013 03:30 PM (QupBk)

172 147 You don't need that pacemaker. Here, have an aspirin.
Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 07:24 PM (P6QsQ)
Soon to be available by prescription only /s

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 25, 2013 03:31 PM (KZHos)

173 To me all of this price shock is kind of moot. The moochers will get it for free or close to it. The producers will pay through the nose. This is a feature, not a bug for Obama. He works for the moochers, not the makers. There are more of them than us, so electorally, this is the smart play.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:31 PM (0LHZx)

174 Sebelius as HHS is soooo wrong from the gitgo. How could our elected representatives confirm as HHS someone with baby blood on her hands? Oh yeah, they don't really represent us.

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 03:32 PM (3R0Zs)

175 Plus, those little boys were totally leading you on with their eyes, weren't they Harry.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 25, 2013 03:32 PM (d7tB2)

176 re 164: then you should go on line and visit healthexchange.ugh

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:32 PM (bJm7W)

177

I put my application in a bottle and tossed it in the sea.  Just want to beat the rush when they get that website working next year.

Posted by: Tom Hanks at October 25, 2013 03:32 PM (wAQA5)

178 That idea is pretty boned with this roll out. Who in their right minds could look at this and decide that the answer is to put the government in complete control of healthcare in America? Posted by: toby928© at October 25, 2013 07:30 PM (QupBk) ______________________ Oh I dunno...everyone at MSNBC, NY Times, CNN....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:32 PM (0LHZx)

179 Don't let the Rats delay this mess the American sheeple need to see full fail before the 2014 elections! Rammed in dark of night at Christmas with NO Repunk votes ,through intimidation, threats, bribery, by procedual tricks and after massactooshits elected Scott Brown to stop it. After which the largest number of rats were overboarded nationally evah!
100% Rat owned folly and fail, Remember in November!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at October 25, 2013 03:33 PM (uUXp6)

180 161 Obama Tells Students: I Liked Math Until It Got HardÂ…


Math is hard.



Barbie Obama

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 25, 2013 03:33 PM (lVPtV)

181 >>>Actually brings up an interesting question...

How do the poor, who don't have computers, sign up for Obama care?
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 25, 2013 07:19 PM (lZBBB)<<<


Don't worry, "having the internet is a right" and high speed connection for all must be done!!!
Sincerely,
Uncle Sugar

Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 25, 2013 03:33 PM (/C6Mj)

182 Here's how much we'd pay to get the exact coverage that we get now. PPO, 80/20, $1,500 individual deductible. No subsidy because it's Gold. Deductible $1,500 Coinsurance 20% Out of Pocket Maximum $3,500 More Details Monthly Cost $1,241.36 Premium: $1,241.36 Subsidy: $0.00 Thanks, Obama!

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:33 PM (ELdpj)

183 I was totally focused on Obamacare.  And then I got high.  Again.


--- Preezy Choom

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 25, 2013 03:34 PM (lVPtV)

184 Hey, I might not have trouble with math, but I can turn a profit without government help. Let's see Barky do that.

Posted by: Barbie at October 25, 2013 03:34 PM (d7tB2)

185 Obama Tells Students: I Liked Math Until It Got HardÂ…
Math is hard.
Was he talking about math getting hard?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 25, 2013 03:34 PM (KZHos)

186 Might or might not, that is

Posted by: Barbie at October 25, 2013 03:35 PM (d7tB2)

187 " The moochers will get it for free or close to it" Well they might get their premiums for cheap, but they'll be paying out their noses for the deductible. I mean, how is someone who makes 35K/yr going to afford a 10K deductible? There's just no way.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:35 PM (ELdpj)

188 Going 'large' does not always mean cheaper.  There is a certain point volume drives unit costs higher.  (before graft)

The FAA has screwed up trying to upgrade the Air Traffic Control System multiple times in the past 30 years.  Why would anyone think a government agency (state or fed) would be flexible enough to do this.

A fools errand from the start.  Difficult enough for organizations as large as the typical insurance company, never mind a government scale.

Government much beyond the local level just isn't efficient.  ever.

Posted by: Alfred Chandler at October 25, 2013 03:35 PM (Pr6hk)

189  "Everybody else, including the rich people, are willing to pay more. They want to pay more.” "

Hey Harry, fuck you.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:30 PM (ELdpj)

 

Just proves the Obamanauts are not paying attention because if they were this is the kind of shit that would piss anybody off.

Posted by: wth at October 25, 2013 03:35 PM (wAQA5)

190 I don't mean to be rude....and I'm not complaining but....who is Errol F?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:35 PM (bCEmE)

191 No subsidy because it's Gold. Deductible $1,500 Coinsurance 20% Out of Pocket Maximum $3,500 More Details Monthly Cost $1,241.36 Premium: $1,241.36 Subsidy: $0.00 Thanks, Obama! Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:33 PM (ELdpj) ______________ Are you sure? I played around with income and I got subsidies at all levels...bronze, silver and gold. For example I entered $75K and I got the same subsidy for all 3 levels. But at $50K the subsidy was actually higher for gold than for silver.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:36 PM (0LHZx)

192 Where oh where are the bath house boys from Man Country who remember Barry?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 25, 2013 03:36 PM (lVPtV)

193 170 "Everybody else, including the rich people, are willing to pay more. They want to pay more.” " Hey Harry, fuck you. Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:30 PM (ELdpj) I put his full quote on my FB page....no one has commented. I'll check later to see which 'Friends' defriended me and saved me the trouble.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:37 PM (bCEmE)

194 That's what I'm saying. The new normal is "whatever". People are scandal/fraud/govt-fail weary. Or of the FSA, or LIV. Or of the stoopid variety. Or any combo. People who are used to living their lives without being interested in their govt gave totally ignored the fact that their govt is interested in them.

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 03:37 PM (M7Cfv)

195 Well no matter the high cost because your gonna get such great health care?????????? And if you like your doctor, that's just to fuckin bad isn't it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 25, 2013 03:37 PM (UbDLm)

196 re 171: "That idea is pretty boned with this roll out. Who in their right minds could look at this and decide that the answer is to put the government in complete control of healthcare in America?"

did that ever stop leftists in the past? It's always a case of "this time we'll do it right!" (Or as Moe said, in Curly's last film, "we always get it right the second time!")

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:37 PM (bJm7W)

197

There's only one procedure to fix this....


But for some reason, its the Democrats who don't want to authorize it.


Ironic.

Posted by: Dr Gosnell at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (Pr6hk)

198 192 Where oh where are the bath house boys from Man Country who remember Barry?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 25, 2013 07:36 PM (lVPtV)


Lake Michigan?

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (MnSla)

199 Where oh where are the bath house boys from Man Country who remember Barry?

Probably dead. Of "AIDS". Bodies swiftly cremated, ashes stashed in the Chicago fashion.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (d7tB2)

200 When did Errol Flynn rise from the dead to co-blog ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (1jQhu)

201 Mr Moo Moo It depends on the state to a huge percentage. Copy and paste the entire contents of this thread into your reply and I'll break it down for you.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (U2UQk)

202

The Emperor: In the throne room, America is watching the fascist fleet attack the citizens from the huge throne room window] As you can see, my young apprentice, your freedoms have failed. Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL Web Site!

[the Emperor hits the comlink switch on his throne]

The Emperor: Enroll at will, Bureaucrats!

Moff JerJerrod: [In the Death Site's firing room, a group of hooded Imperial gunners starts priming the DeathSite's super-enroller - a device so advanced it can be trained on capitalism, such as the Rebel small businesses. A series of tones signify that the weapon is ready] ENROLL!

[a second gunner hits a switch, and a huge laser beam roars down a firing shaft. The outer surface of the Death Site shows a huge laser dish start to develop, and then a titanic laser beam moves out from the Death Site's superlaser.]

And the website crashes...

Emperor: Bush's fault

 

Posted by: Orange John at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (ytRt5)

203 Going 'large' does not always mean cheaper. There is a certain point volume drives unit costs higher. (before graft) Posted by: Alfred Chandler at October 25, 2013 07:35 PM (Pr6hk) Hide posts from (Pr6hk) *Nothing* comes before graft.

Posted by: Merovign , Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (qyfb5)

204 The Doctors don't even know what their level of compensation will be from CommieCare yet! Maybe because the CommieCare administration doesn't want them to know until they start sending in claims! Smart power!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (uUXp6)

205 "Are you sure? I played around with income and I got subsidies at all levels...bronze, silver and gold." Doh! Good call. I had the drop down menu set at 1 instead of 6 for the family size. It's actually Monthly Cost $1,130.38 Premium: $1,241.36 Subsidy: $110.98 Yay?

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:38 PM (ELdpj)

206 No problem. This is will all be fixed when everyone south of the Rio Grande is made an American citizen.

Posted by: lum de lum de lo lum de lum de lie at October 25, 2013 03:39 PM (O7OxF)

207 Well they might get their premiums for cheap, but they'll be paying out their noses for the deductible. I mean, how is someone who makes 35K/yr going to afford a 10K deductible? There's just no way. Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:35 PM (ELdpj) __________ But it's not 10K a year. They get the platinum plan with a $500 deductible. That plan is $1500 a month for evil rich (white) people. For Obama's voters, with the subsidy it's $100/month.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:39 PM (0LHZx)

208 Their argument was - laughably - Republican governors should all want to run their own exchange because....FEDERALISM!! Liberals really are that stupid. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 06:59 PM (0LHZx Hah! People in my department were trying to make this argument to me too (including one conservative leaning guy.) My response: If the feds tell me how, when, why and in what form, it's not federalism.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 25, 2013 03:39 PM (GaqMa)

209 I'm watching "I Dream of Nene" just because.

Because I look at these Obamabot, mouth-breathing, knuckledraggers and I feel superior for an hour.

Then I realize these assholes will be our Betters when Barry gets a third term.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 25, 2013 03:40 PM (lVPtV)

210 Would it be too much to ask that someone, anyone, in the House and/or Senate on the GOP side point out to Sebelius in public that her pissy little tirade of "I don't work work for the people who want me fired" is pretty strong talk for a scrunt whose entire organization isn't found in the fuckin' Constitution any goddamned where?

Try as I might, I can't find the HHS or Skeletor's name in my copy of the US Constitution.

Posted by: B at October 25, 2013 03:40 PM (6iEQd)

211

Obama Tells Students: I Liked Math Until It Got HardÂ…
Math is hard.

---

If math is hard for more than 4 hours, consult your physician. Oh wait, you couldn't keep your physician...

Posted by: Buzzsw90 at October 25, 2013 03:40 PM (ytRt5)

212 What more sabotage of the glorious peoples workers' healthcare system by the Republicans/Tea Party/Koch Brothers

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 25, 2013 03:40 PM (JivuR)

213 Better online scammer:

-a Nigerian prince who wants give you free money?

-a Kenyan president who wants to give you free health care?


Posted by: non-essential commenter #27791629 at October 25, 2013 03:40 PM (/C6Mj)

214 Yay? Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:38 PM (ELdpj) _________ $110 is better than $0

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:40 PM (0LHZx)

215

This POS law ain't gonna work even if they get a workable website. It's really not designed to work. That should be obvious by now.

 

 

We haven't even gotten to the part where people actually try to get in and see a doctor!  Oh boy, if you think this is an epic fail, wait til THAT happens! 

 

 

Posted by: runningrn at October 25, 2013 03:40 PM (PLOz8)

216 Maybe we could just all huddle together and sing a song, any suggestions?

Posted by: jet Built Around Cannon at October 25, 2013 03:41 PM (CugQc)

217 I could sing like a motherfucker too.

Posted by: Donald Young, TUCC choir at October 25, 2013 03:41 PM (oFCZn)

218 That idea is pretty boned with this roll out. Who in their right minds could look at this and decide that the answer is to put the government in complete control of healthcare in America? The answer is in the question. Who in their right mind would vote Obama in for a second term? Half of the American public isn't in their right mind.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 25, 2013 03:41 PM (sByIH)

219 Fuckin' Romney.

Posted by: toby928© eyes his long home on the icefloe at October 25, 2013 03:41 PM (QupBk)

220 Obama Tells Students: I Liked Math Until It Got HardÂ…





Then he went and got Reggie hard

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 25, 2013 03:42 PM (JivuR)

221 We haven't even gotten to the part where people actually try to get in and see a doctor! Oh boy, if you think this is an epic fail, wait til THAT happens!

Posted by: runningrn at October 25, 2013 07:40 PM (PLOz


Dr? Who said anything about seeing a Dr? You'll see the hobo on the corner and like it, peon.

Posted by: HHS Sec Syphilis at October 25, 2013 03:43 PM (MnSla)

222 We haven't even gotten to the part where people actually try to get in and see a doctor! Oh boy, if you think this is an epic fail, wait til THAT happens!


People in the Middle Ages did just fine seeing barbers for most of their medical needs.  We plan to return America to that storied tradition. 

For you people, anyway.

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at October 25, 2013 03:43 PM (8ZskC)

223 So when I play around with income, the co-pays drop down as well. At $100K a year, co-pay is $35. At $24K a year, copay is $1 and 92% of the premium is paid for by Uncle Barrack. So on top of getting the policy for practically nothing, the moochers also get no co-pays. Why the fuck do I bother making any money?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:43 PM (0LHZx)

224 I hope Justin will get reimbursed by that caller after he gets fired.

Posted by: PJ at October 25, 2013 03:44 PM (ZWaLo)

225 ". They get the platinum plan with a $500 deductible. That plan is $1500 a month for evil rich (white) people. For Obama's voters, with the subsidy it's $100/month." Well there's only one platinum plan offered in my area and for someone making 35K it's . Monthly Cost: $390.76 Premium: $904.31 Subsidy: $513.55 I doubt that someone making 35K could afford a premium that high, even with the subsidy. The cheapest Gold plan has a $9700 family deductible. I mean, I'm sure there are some areas where someone can get a platinum plan for dirt cheap, but I really think even low income voters will face some sticker shock.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:44 PM (ELdpj)

226 We haven't even gotten to the part where people actually try to get in and see a doctor! Oh boy, if you think this is an epic fail, wait til THAT happens!


Just stand in front of the webcam and point to where it hurts.

Posted by: Dr. "Bob" from Bangalore at October 25, 2013 03:44 PM (8ZskC)

227 Obama Tells Students: I Liked Math Until It Got HardÂ…



In my estimation, for little Barry, that was about the fourth grade...



Posted by: Bill Ayers at October 25, 2013 03:45 PM (Pr6hk)

228 Why the fuck do I bother making any money? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 07:43 PM (0LHZx) *shrugs and grins*

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 25, 2013 03:45 PM (oFCZn)

229 " At $100K a year, co-pay is $35. At $24K a year, copay is $1 and 92% of the premium is paid for by Uncle Barrack. So on top of getting the policy for practically nothing, the moochers also get no co-pays. " Oh that is interesting! I haven't played around with the co-pays at all, naively thinking they were just set. That does add a whole 'nother dimension.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:45 PM (ELdpj)

230 >>>We haven't even gotten to the part where people actually try to get in
and see a doctor! Oh boy, if you think this is an epic fail, wait til
THAT happens!<<<

Hiiiiiiiii, everybody!

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at October 25, 2013 03:46 PM (/C6Mj)

231 Hi Doctor Nick!

Posted by: toby928© eyes his long home on the icefloe at October 25, 2013 03:47 PM (QupBk)

232 Martin Bashir... yes... that Martin Bashir, goes at it with Alan Grayson over Tea Party hate-rhetoric. http://t.co/crztvZS7o5

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 25, 2013 03:47 PM (DmNpO)

233 You don't boil a frog by throwing him in scalding water. You do it by slowly turning up the heat.

Full blown Obamacare is scalding hot water by the tub full. People are waking up. Even the msm is slowly shaking off their stupid.

And we are only 3 weeks into a broken website.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 07:30 PM (g1DWB)



To paraphrase a moron's riff on Orwell's 1984: A nurse's shoe stamping on a human face - forever

Posted by: Soviet-era Industrial Manager at October 25, 2013 03:47 PM (Q9qpj)

234 "$110 is better than $0" True, but it's still more than 100% increase over what we currently pay, so it doesn't really lessen the sting.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:47 PM (ELdpj)

235 >>But it's not 10K a year. They get the platinum plan with a $500 deductible. That plan is $1500 a month for evil rich (white) people. For Obama's voters, with the subsidy it's $100/month. In the worst case, you are talking about people who walk into the emergency room and get it for free today. The real moochers don't pay anything for anything. $100/month they have to pay for shit they got for free is a big deal. And you are vastly overestimating the great middle of this country and even many liberals who don't really pay attention to facts, they vote on emotion. And when the great Chocolate Jesus assuaged their conscience by saying that we were going to give free health care to the poor and at the same time the rest of us could keep our doctors and our current health plans and even pay less for them, they fell for it. But they are still going to be paying more for their insurance just like us. Many will be losing their doctors just like us. And many will be losing their current insurance plan just like us. To quote that great philosopher Joe Biden, this is a big fucking deal. This is the kind of thing that swings the electorate from left to right. This is a game changing disaster for the left and even many on the left are starting to admit it.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 03:47 PM (g1DWB)

236 I was gonna do some math But I got high.

Posted by: Obama at October 25, 2013 03:47 PM (ELdpj)

237 " And it is going to set the case of liberalism and big government back decades."

I have my doubts about this. If it were so, Social Security, Medicare, and god only knows how many other lib programs would have been discontinued by now.

Posted by: navybrat at October 25, 2013 03:47 PM (AYGBr)

238 Oh that is interesting! I haven't played around with the co-pays at all, naively thinking they were just set. That does add a whole 'nother dimension. Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 07:45 PM (ELdpj) _______ OR... The website is screwed up and giving false info. $1 co-pays sounds like an odd number.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:48 PM (0LHZx)

239


Damn, still haven't found the right people to implement my ideas.  

Why do they always screw it up????

Posted by: Karl Marx at October 25, 2013 03:48 PM (Pr6hk)

240 Social Security and Medicare haven't failed, yet.

Posted by: toby928© eyes his long home on the icefloe at October 25, 2013 03:48 PM (QupBk)

241 What happened to this America you speak of?

Posted by: Beto at October 25, 2013 03:49 PM (MhA4j)

242 You've tried the best, now try the rest!

Posted by: Dr. Nick Riviera at October 25, 2013 03:49 PM (/C6Mj)

243

Barry isn't very efficient.  There should be a large crop of 'unpersons' by now.


Posted by: Joseph Stalin at October 25, 2013 03:50 PM (Pr6hk)

244 "Social Security and Medicare haven't failed, yet."
Just on a slower glide path is all.

Posted by: navybrat at October 25, 2013 03:50 PM (AYGBr)

245 "What happened to this America you speak of?" FSA, FTW.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:50 PM (ELdpj)

246 To quote that great philosopher Joe Biden, this is a big fucking deal. This is the kind of thing that swings the electorate from left to right. This is a game changing disaster for the left and even many on the left are starting to admit it. Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 07:47 PM (g1DWB) ___________ I hope you're right. I just don't think it's gonna happen. The people who will be affected negatively already knew what was coming for the most part. And there will be lost of people who will blame insurance companies for this, not Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:50 PM (0LHZx)

247 Ya know as a Dentist I think I am gong to do some real doctoring on the side for patients who pay cash. I mean I will do it the old fashion way, blood letting. I am great at blood letting.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 25, 2013 03:50 PM (UbDLm)

248

Coming soon!  New and improved ObamaCare with Pay Pal.  And don't forget to check Craig's List for used policies.  Also try our new feature: "Oharmony" where you can meet peeps like Sandra, Julia and Ezra.

Posted by: wth at October 25, 2013 03:51 PM (wAQA5)

249 re 216: how about: 

you jerk me
and I'll jerk you
we'll all come together

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:51 PM (bJm7W)

250

Mr. Preznit, how can we deny their procedures if they don't sign up.


Posted by: IPAB at October 25, 2013 03:51 PM (Pr6hk)

251 You guys are quoting numbers and percentages like they mean something to Obama.
Everyone's rates are gonna drop 3,000%!

Posted by: president o'bumbles at October 25, 2013 03:51 PM (tHXgZ)

252 I hope you're right. I just don't think it's gonna happen. The people who will be affected negatively already knew what was coming for the most part. And there will be lost of people who will blame insurance companies for this, not Obama. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 07:50 PM (0LHZx) Not so sure millions of people realized their insurance companies were going to drop their current plan....or double/triple the cost of it.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:52 PM (bCEmE)

253 I hope you're right. I just don't think it's gonna happen. The people who will be affected negatively already knew what was coming for the most part.

And there will be lost of people who will blame insurance companies for this, not Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 07:50 PM (0LHZx)




And then Comrade Chairman Barry will begin the beat the drum that if we get rid of private insurance companies and let the government take over everything will be great and fair and enough mouthbreathers will nod their empty heads in agreement

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 25, 2013 03:52 PM (JivuR)

254

Coming soon to a bookseller near you


Home Surgery for Dummies



Posted by: For Dummies Publishing at October 25, 2013 03:53 PM (Pr6hk)

255 I'm just glad my husband can retire from practicing this coming year. I'm making a card to go out to all patients six months in advance. Now, to find a job at a large company with good group health benefits...

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 03:53 PM (Sptt8)

256

You will love this.  I was eating lunch the other day at work, and this SEIU scrunt came into our break room.  She asked me if I had voted yet because it was the last day to vote (the hospital is changing our healthcare benefits, increasing the deductibles and premiums).  I said "No" ignored her and kept eating my lunch (I'm not in the Union, was grandfathered out).  We recently got bought out by a large Catholic entity, and the SEIU scrunt was putting flyers on the tables that basically said that our healthcare benefits were changing because of the evil, greedy nuns, I kid you not! 

The Scrunt then proceeded to speak with one of the Union Reps (a middle aged anesthesia tech of dubious intellect who wears way to much cologne and has been dying his hair various shades of red and brown as of late).  Anyways, she said to him "We are going to go to the media to get their help in spreading the word about what's going on here and how the Sisters of ____ are screwing health care workers over with these higher premiums and deductibles.  We need to get the public behind us on this, and I think we can with the media's help.  People will be outraged that health care providers are themselves unable to afford their own healthcare because of the Sisters of ____.  And on it went.  I was so close to running over to their table and screaming "Elections have consequences, idiots!  Its Obama's fault not the Sisters of ___!  You idiots supported and voted for this mess!"  But I didn't.  I do still need to work!  My Lululemon addiction doesn't pay for itself!

Posted by: runningrn at October 25, 2013 03:53 PM (PLOz8)

257 actual journalist: wait just a minute... are you sure this is in competent hands?

Obama: why, soitanly, we're all incompetent!

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 03:53 PM (bJm7W)

258 Also try our new feature: "Oharmony" where you can meet peeps like Sandra, Julia and Ezra. ♫ Lowered Expectationssss ♫

Posted by: toby928© eyes his long home on the icefloe at October 25, 2013 03:53 PM (QupBk)

259 Not so sure millions of people realized their insurance companies were going to drop their current plan....or double/triple the cost of it. Posted by: Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 07:52 PM (bCEmE) __________ And who will they blame? The evil insurance companies. That's my fear. That out of this debacle, the LIVs will blame Blue Cross and Aetna instead of Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 03:53 PM (0LHZx)

260

Trust me. ObamaCare 2.0 will ROCK

it'll be fully DOS compatible

Posted by: Buzzsw90 at October 25, 2013 03:54 PM (ytRt5)

261

OK, serious question here, when I am reading headlines about the number of Americans who have lost their health care coverage, does that mean their insurance will no longer cover them. Or, does it mean that their health insurance changed the plan they were providing, but is still covering them--perhaps at a higher cost with less benefits?

 

 

 

 

Because I don't really count myself as having "lost" insurance since my insurance company is still going to provide a policy to me. But, the policy has changed, higher deductible, higher co-pay, higher emergency room co-pay, no coverage for out of network doctors. So, does this count me in the "lost" category, or just the "screwed, but at least not sideways, with a pineapple"

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 25, 2013 03:54 PM (RZ8pf)

262 I laughed at those silly tea party dumbasses.

But, but, but...you never told me my insurance premiums would double.


Posted by: Well-meaning gentry class suburban liberal dufus at October 25, 2013 03:54 PM (Q9qpj)

263 "hat out of this debacle, the LIVs will blame Blue Cross and Aetna instead of Obama." From everything I've seen, the insurance companies have been very explicit about saying that they are canceling the plan/increasing the rates due to the new healthcare laws. That's got to sink in.

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:55 PM (ELdpj)

264 A beloved fable, updated for today's events... A well-known President (some say it was Barky O'Bumbles) once lectured the public on his magnificent health care system. He described how "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan", "your health care premiums could go down as much as 3,000%" and how all this, in turn, would extend health care coverage to each and every American, whether a legal citizen or not. When the time came to enroll in this Eighth Wonder of the World, the registration system seized up and failed. A little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. Your registration system is rubbish, too, and a complete failure." The President gave a superior smile before replying, "What if my registration system is fixed in six weeks?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's failures all the way down!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at October 25, 2013 03:55 PM (cKyRT)

265 Not so sure millions of people realized their insurance companies were going to drop their current plan....or double/triple the cost of it.

Posted by: Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 07:52 PM (bCEmE)





Blue Cross informed us that due to ACA our plan was no longer available. I wonder how many people know that's BarryCare? I wish they wrote in large bold letters it was OBAMACARE

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 25, 2013 03:56 PM (JivuR)

266 To quote that great philosopher Joe Biden, this is a big fucking deal. This is the kind of thing that swings the electorate from left to right. This is a game changing disaster for the left and even many on the left are starting to admit it.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 07:47 PM (g1DWB)



Don't get too cocky there bub. Ain't no one gonna be outraged over 404Care for the next few months.

Posted by: Teh GlolP, up in your House, agitatin' for amnesty at October 25, 2013 03:56 PM (hpYnL)

267 And who will they blame? The evil insurance companies. That's my fear. That out of this debacle, the LIVs will blame Blue Cross and Aetna instead of Obama. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 25, 2013 07:53 PM (0LHZx) It's really sad that people are too stupid to realize that their insurance companies would not have sent all of them that letter if they weren't REQUIRED BY LAW to send it. I know....I know.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami -GO CARDS!!!! at October 25, 2013 03:57 PM (bCEmE)

268 "does that mean their insurance will no longer cover them. Or, does it mean that their health insurance changed the plan they were providing, but is still covering them--perhaps at a higher cost with less benefits?" I'm not sure what *they* mean, but I would say if you're not keeping your insurance in the form that it once was, you're not getting the "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan" promise. In my case, the plan just disappeared. Poof!

Posted by: Lauren at October 25, 2013 03:57 PM (ELdpj)

269

I'm just glad my husband can retire from practicing this coming year.
I'm making a card to go out to all patients six months in advance.
Now, to find a job at a large company with good group health benefits...

 

 

 

Hubby's cousin was a rheumatologist.  He shuttered his private practice a year and an half ago, moved to TX and got a teaching job at one of the large University hospitals.  He got out of private practice because of Obamacare.  Smart dude, Stanford grad, good doc. 

Posted by: runningrn at October 25, 2013 03:57 PM (PLOz8)

270

As reported on Yahoo news, by presidential decree(?)the "new" deadline for having insurance was moved from 12/31/13 to 3/31/14 to avoid the penalties/tax.

How do you like them apples Congress, your authority usurped again by presidential fiat.

 

Posted by: comrade barkyskins at October 25, 2013 03:57 PM (EMtVt)

271 It's been nothing but wingnut sabotage from the very beginning.

Take a bow, wacko birds.

Posted by: Fritz at October 25, 2013 03:58 PM (TKFmG)

272 >>I have my doubts about this. If it were so, Social Security, Medicare, and god only knows how many other lib programs would have been discontinued by now. Why? When did you wake up in a cold sweat about the amount of money you pay for SS or Medicare? The truth is most of us cash our pay checks without even looking at the deductible every month and even more have led their lives thinking that at the very least they were paying into programs that would help THEM in the long run. Even if that is a wrong assumption it was implemented slowly as far as most Americans knew and it did help the vast majority of people who paid into it. Obamacare does nothing for us. We are just losing and losing big. And it is happening all at once. This is a lot more analogous to the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988. It was designed to help oldsters but it cost too much and changed too much all at once and people flat out hated it as soon as they saw what it was. That law was followed by the Medicare Catastrophic Repeal Act of 1989.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 25, 2013 03:58 PM (g1DWB)

273 Well, considering that these same insurance companies were intimately involved with this trainwreck, to the point of, IIRC, reversing their stance from when Hilarycare! was in the works and actually running ads in favor of this abortion...

I am not exactly sympathetic to their plight.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 25, 2013 03:58 PM (Q9qpj)

274 Daily reminder: Low Information Voters still think Democrats are smarter than Republicans. (Jon "Stewart" told them so!)

Posted by: WOW at October 25, 2013 03:58 PM (6j8ke)

275 Ya know as a Dentist I think I am gong to do some real doctoring on the side for patients who pay cash. I mean I will do it the old fashion way, blood letting. I am great at blood letting.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 25, 2013 07:50 PM (UbDLm)

 

Stock up on leaches.  Then you'll be all set.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 25, 2013 03:58 PM (Ud9dC)

276 Mmm. Cheesecake.

Posted by: President Obomber at October 25, 2013 03:59 PM (tHXgZ)

277 Obama Tells Students: I Liked Math Until It Got HardÂ…


I like subtraction, addition not so much.  And exponential growth is a capitalist myth.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at October 25, 2013 04:00 PM (Pr6hk)

278 Stock up on leaches. Then you'll be all set. Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 25, 2013 07:58 PM (Ud9dC) Shit good advice. See that's why I come here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 25, 2013 04:00 PM (UbDLm)

279

Ya know as a Dentist I think I am gong to do some real doctoring on the side for patients who pay cash. I mean I will do it the old fashion way, blood letting. I am great at blood letting

 

 

Yup!  What you are going to see is people practicing waaaay out of their scope of practice.  PA's, RNP's, RN's, Techs, Orderlies and Housekeeping Staff will be doing things that only MD's were licensed to do, back in the day.  It ain't going to be purdy.  And no tort reform, it's going to get really, really fugly!

Posted by: runningrn at October 25, 2013 04:01 PM (PLOz8)

280 Newer happier one

Posted by: mama winger at October 25, 2013 04:01 PM (P6QsQ)

281 Its like the Freeway.... get ONE idiot in the Fast Lane? and it can screw up a whole traffic pattern...

Even non-idiot programmers will interact failingly in something as convoluted as 404care.

Posted by: DaveA at October 25, 2013 04:01 PM (DL2i+)

282 re 269 etc: well this just makes more room for those alternative health treatments that most of us never look into. I for one am looking into treating my chronic need for money by selling bottles of tap water as homeopathic treatments at gratetful dead festivals and democrat fundraisers.

Posted by: mallfly at October 25, 2013 04:02 PM (bJm7W)

283 the moochers also get no co-pays.

***

That's the "economic" clusterfuck.  The "access" clusterfuck starts right away.  Wait until they get their insurance locked in and the "free" mindset clicks into place.  They'll be in the doc's office every time they get a sniffle, a headache, or a hair on their ass turned backwards.  I worked security in a hospital emergency room during college in the 80s and I can't tell you how many hundreds of  times I saw folks with no insurance come to the ER with the entire family and sit for hours because they have a headache or a runny nose.  

When that shit is "free"?  Ask yourself how many OTC meds you buy every year before you head to the doc's office and have to take time off from work.

Then imagine someone on multi generational welfare with "free" insurance".

Posted by: B at October 25, 2013 04:02 PM (6iEQd)

284 Paranoid Girl. Thinking it might cover people like me who's carrier has left our state. Had to shop for insurance with a different company.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at October 25, 2013 04:02 PM (Qp3K5)

285

As reported on Yahoo news, by presidential decree(?)the "new" deadline for having insurance was moved from 12/31/13 to 3/31/14 to avoid the penalties/tax.
How do you like them apples Congress, your authority usurped again by presidential fiat.

 

 

Can you imagine any other president changing existing law the way this mofo has been doing and getting away with it?  Over and over again?!!

 

Unbelievable.  And I hate the Republicans just as much now as the Democrats.  Weak, venal idiots!

Posted by: runningrn at October 25, 2013 04:03 PM (PLOz8)

286 From Steyn's latest article, discussing the process of putting together the healthcare website:

“We were working in a very very nimble hyper-consumer-focused way,” explained Todd Park, the chief technology officer of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, “all fused in this kind of maelstrom of pizza, Mountain Dew, and all-nighters . . . and, you know, idealism. That kind of led to the magic that was produced.”

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 25, 2013 04:03 PM (Q9qpj)

287 Hubby's cousin was a rheumatologist.
That's awful. He should try copper bracelets... they work great.

Posted by: joe biden at October 25, 2013 04:04 PM (tHXgZ)

288 Groovy Soul Train clip on new thread.

Posted by: Justamom at October 25, 2013 04:07 PM (Sptt8)

289 There must be a new thread up. Where's that willow chick?

Posted by: joe biden at October 25, 2013 04:11 PM (tHXgZ)

290 One of Mrs. Bronco Bama's Princeton school chums joined CGI Federal in May 2010, that's why we thought they would be the best group to pump money into, of course, and didn't need to mess with putting contracts out to bid and boring stuff like that.

But the ungrateful bastids have removed her name from the management lists! Toni Townes-Whitley - Senior Vice-President, Civilian Agency Programs. You can still find her if you do a little search, though: CGI.com

Posted by: Bronco Bama at October 25, 2013 04:18 PM (1I4sj)

291 I detect an opportunity for the various entrepenuers amongst us......University of Feenix PHD on the fly, learn to give physicals in 5 easy steps....online......Mammograms in two.....online.....minor surgeries in three days using the super secret CIA method Rosetta Boned.

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at October 25, 2013 04:26 PM (uUXp6)

292 Eh. Found the page where Toni Townes-Whitley is listed on cgi.com
www.cgi.com/en/management/operations/cgi-federal

Posted by: Bronco Bama at October 25, 2013 04:28 PM (1I4sj)

293

Some clusterfucky numbers are coming out. Did you know that most of the O-care "enrollees" at the exchanges are *Medicaid referrals*. That is, they are counting people the system throws to Medicaid as enrollees. It's 97% in Maryland, 87% in DC, and 100%, every last one of 'em, in Oregon.

  Only the poorest and sickest are signing up. This is going to explode state budgets, and even the states that didn't expand or set up their own exchanges. Even there, the federal exchange is throwing them to Medicare.

  This thing is an econonomic/fiscal Chernobyl. Barky set off a nuke in the US economy. This thing is going to be the biggest clusterfuck of a fuckup everydone by any government, anywhere, at anytime. It is worse than anyone imagined.

     Insurance death spiral is baked in the cake, as well a fiscal death spiral. Barky just blew up the US worse than anything he's done so far. This is going to be a spectacular collapse.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at October 25, 2013 04:32 PM (M5Os+)

294 “all fused in this kind of maelstrom of pizza, Mountain Dew, and all-nighters...and, you know, idealism. That kind of led to the magic that was produced.

There's a poop joke in here somewhere... but, you know, I've grown out of that phase.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at October 25, 2013 04:37 PM (d7tB2)

295 That is, they are counting people the system throws to Medicaid as enrollees. It's 97% in Maryland, 87% in DC, and 100%, every last one of 'em, in Oregon. ------------------- NC, wisely, has refused to expand Medicaid enrollment. "Racist haters!" they shout. Well..., no. Just looking after financial well-being of the state. There may be a problem though, because... Obamacare boot-on-the-neck. Section 2202 of the Affordable Care Act that gives hospitals new authority starting Jan. 1 to make "presumptive eligibility" calls for patients before they are officially enrolled in Medicaid. In another words, the hospitals may assume someone is in Medicaid, and if they are not then bill the state.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 25, 2013 04:47 PM (aDwsi)

296 Obama Tells Republicans They Need To Take A Remedial “Real World Math” Course…

http://tinyurl.com/kthrxgn

You would think one of his aides would remind him that it was a math teacher killed in Boston so maybe he should avoid talking so much about math.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 05:14 PM (Nx76m)

297 I look like a genius

Posted by: Ted Cruz at October 25, 2013 05:32 PM (5ikDv)

298 Watch.

Most of those poor bastards who manage to get signed up for a plan will be receiving a letter 6-12 months from now telling them that their ObamaCare policy will no longer be carried because of ObamaCare.

Posted by: RRRandy at October 25, 2013 05:36 PM (Tq1Lm)

299 I want to take this moment to pledge my love and loyalty to our lord and savior, King Obama.

I'm so thankful that I lost my insurance just in time for a procedure.  Oh praise!  Half the country is losing it, but it was for a good cause.  Poopy pants got to play President!  Hey screw the country!  We have our first affirmative action president! HOLLA HOLA OH MY JIGGY JIGGY

ps - How is it possible to lose the presidency to such a fucking retard?  Oh yeah, forgot.. because abortion and rape.  huh?

When the first person dies because of Obamacare.. I want everyone to remind them that its more important that we had a 'dialog' on regular rape or something.


Posted by: Steaming Feces at October 25, 2013 05:47 PM (0SuRZ)

300 Ugh, Paul Ryan is co writing the new immigration bill?  Why?  And no marco is apparently tweeting his way away from immigration?

Gee, I didn't think anything was wrong with our premier healthcare system.  A few one page laws like "you can't put a ceiling on coverage", "you can't drop someone from coverage because they got sick" and "everyone has to have insurance, even those who can't afford it".  Oh and a little blurb that you are guaranteed your privacy and your records are on a thumb drive in your possession and your possession only. Done and believe me, you'd donate x amount on your tax form to pay for the destitute without a single complaint.  Coupled with the no hospital can refuse anyone care, the kiddies on mom and dad's policy until 26 and viola we have fixed things in maybe four pages and our premier healthcare, the one where you kept your privacy, would still be intact.

With immigration, a one page law, "follow all previous law so we can see where we need to tweak things".

Posted by: just a citizen at October 25, 2013 07:38 PM (Nx76m)

301 Why don't we make all the illegal immigrants work as doctors? Solves the doctor shortage/illegal problems at the same time!

Posted by: PJ at October 25, 2013 10:00 PM (ZWaLo)

302 If the Obamacare website doesn't work, and the telephone number doesn't work, why can't we go into our nearest IRS office and have the friendly, fully trained and funded experts there enroll us?

Posted by: Koblog at October 26, 2013 05:02 AM (7S7+l)

303 The Obamadoesntcare website portal victim enters their own information problem makes me think of another area that could improve profitability. What if you could get people to fill their own gas tanks, or bag their own groceries, or fill their own drink cups, or even pay YOU to work for THEM? America is truly the land of the possible!

Posted by: torabora at October 26, 2013 06:26 AM (vTEsW)

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