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May 22, 2013

Amnesty* Passes Senate Judiciary Committee.
— DrewM

Looks like they'll try and ram it through the Senate while everyone is on Scandal Watch.

After five days of debate over dozens of amendments, the Judiciary Committee voted 13 to 5 in support of the bill, with three Republicans joining the committeeÂ’s 10 Democrats. The legislation emerged with its core provisions largely intact, including new visa programs for high-tech and low-skilled workers and new investments in strengthening border control.
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The comprehensive bill is now headed to the full Senate, where Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) urged fellow Republicans on Tuesday not to block the bill from a floor vote. The Congressional Budget Office will take two weeks to issue an assessment of the fiscal cost of the bill, so Democratic aides said the floor debate could begin around June 10.

The 3 Republican yes votes were Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham and Orin Hatch. I guess Hatch is done pretending to be a conservative and is back to his old deal making ways.

Don't let these three idiots fool you into thinking they made things better, they were right there with Chuck Schumer all the way. Sometimes Chuck let them pretend to be standing tough but it was all for show.

On Monday, Schumer was caught by CSPAN asking a staffer Â“Do our Republicans have a pass on this one if they want?Â” in reference to a Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., amendment that would have denied earned income tax credits (EITC) to amnestied immigrants. In fact, SchumerÂ’s Republicans did Â“have a passÂ” on that amendment. Flake and Graham voted with their colleagues to limit the EITC. But, since Democrats have a majority on the committee, that amendment, and every other conservative amendment trying to restrict the growth of the welfare states, failed.

It will be at least two weeks before the bill can come to the Senate floor. That's the time they need to write the fairy tale CBO cost report.

We're going to have to take a pause on Scandal Mania for a bit at some point to try and bring the pressure to stop this crap. Again.

Added: Amnesty* isn't just terrible policy, it's awful politics.

BloombergÂ’s Al Hunt: Â“For the president to have a good second term, he has to get a good immigration bill through. ThatÂ’s a sine qua non of everything. If he doesnÂ’t get that through, itÂ’s going to be really a dreadful year.Â”
CNNÂ’s Jessica Yellin: Â“[President Obama] actually could have a very successful second term (despite) the controversies heÂ’s facing today. If he gets immigration reform done, that would be a major legacy accomplishment. . . .TheyÂ’re hoping here [at the White House] that if he does immigration that would break the narrative that he is entrenched in, this sort of swirl of ineptitude and controversy, and put him on a solid footing again.Â”

Yes, let's screw over the country, any shred of hope for shrinking government AND hand Obama a win. That's the kind of genius level thinking you can expect from the GOP.

*Don't take my word for it that this amnesty, take Marco Rubio's.

"Earned path to citizenship is basically code for amnesty."- @marcorubio 10/24/10 ace.mu.nu/archives/33934Â… Â…
— DrewM (@DrewMTips) May 9, 2013

Posted by: DrewM at 05:45 AM | Comments (137)
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1 whoa

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 22, 2013 05:46 AM (8sCoq)

2 the president is a scoamf

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 22, 2013 05:46 AM (GVxQo)

We're screwed!

But it's OK we were screwed on Nov. 6th of last year, this is just the storm front passing by.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 22, 2013 05:48 AM (GaqMa)

4 Can we get a thread on the IRS hearings?

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 22, 2013 05:48 AM (UypUQ)

5 Cummings is blaming the IRS abuses on "inadequate guidance".

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 22, 2013 05:49 AM (UypUQ)

6 We're all going to die anyway. Might as well do it all at once.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 22, 2013 05:50 AM (P7hip)

7 Not interested in this. Bad timing on Drew's part.

Cummings is going with the "incompetence and inadequate supervision" and also ROVE!!!

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 05:50 AM (GoIUi)

8 Why is it so hard to figure out that people who break the law to be here aren't likely to follow the other laws we have here? If I found an intruder in my house, I wouldn't be making him dinner. Build a fence!

Posted by: Emdoc at May 22, 2013 05:51 AM (oe4oA)

9 Change the policy for the future. Past felonies are irrelevant. Thanks dickhole.

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 05:51 AM (fWAjv)

10 It will never get passed the house.
It will never pass.
It will never...

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at May 22, 2013 05:51 AM (hOsAN)

11 BOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 05:51 AM (fWAjv)

12 Ranking Member Cummings: "Let's not make this a partisan witch hunt . . . BOOOOOSH!!!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 05:53 AM (BAS5M)

13 The best part of the bill is that illegals once Amnestitized immediately receive tax-welfare benefits such as the Earned Income Tax Credit. The Plan: 1) Spend trillions in welfare on new welfaretards 2)? 3) financial solvency!

Posted by: Robot Bat Mitzvah at May 22, 2013 05:53 AM (ZR4Xh)

14
But the Senate Republicans held the line against Gay Binational Couples in the bill. Because, Conservatism!*

*besides, the liberal courts will take care of that for them.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 22, 2013 05:53 AM (kdS6q)

15 Seriously? Bush? You know, for a Texas retard, he sure has masterminded a lot of shit.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 22, 2013 05:53 AM (da5Wo)

16 Cummings saying answers so far have not been suffiecient is as close as he'll ever get to say that a liberal is lying through their fucking teeth.

Posted by: H Badger at May 22, 2013 05:53 AM (n/0Nw)

17 Cummings is going with the "incompetence and inadequate supervision" and also ROVE!!!

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 09:50 AM (GoIUi)

Oh for pete's sake. Yes, Karl Rove is to blame. Sure. Crossroads GPS is EVIl or something, so it was okay to leak their unapproved application to ProPublica.

Cummings is a dickhole.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 05:54 AM (4df7R)

18 Only thing Cummings is doing is trying to deflect from WH, must protect his buddy Oblowme at all cost

Posted by: Ma Bell at May 22, 2013 05:54 AM (RLdcX)

19 #11 Yes, Bush. The appointment was made at the end of Bush's term when no Republican could get by the Senate and when no Republican wanted to be associated with the IRS anyway.

The "Bush appointee" was recommended by Goldman-Sachs democrat Secretary Paulson and has a record of donations to democrat candidates and none to Republicans.

Also, I refuse to post about amnesty in protest of Drew deciding that we are to ignore the hearings and talk about what he has decided is important.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 05:54 AM (GoIUi)

20 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 05:54 AM (/PCJa)

21 Watching paint dry is more interesting than listening to Cummings. Get On With IT Man!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 05:55 AM (BAS5M)

22 Thanks dickhole.

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 09:51 AM (fWAjv)

And here I thought I was being all original with "dickhole." Great minds think alike, RWC!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 05:55 AM (4df7R)

23
I can't believe the Republicans are going to bend over on amnesty. That's a lie, of course I knew they were going to bend over on amnesty, but still it can be shocking watching somebody slowly commit suicide.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 22, 2013 05:56 AM (jKWYf)

24 Okay, this now applies to everything (with the possible exception of the military) in the Federal Government:

Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 05:56 AM (/PCJa)

25 Has anyone mentioned Citizens United yet today? I know it was mentioned yesterday. I've got my Coke Zero at the ready to drink when it comes up!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 05:56 AM (4df7R)

26 btw, I think the IRS IG, George, has an awesome voice.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 22, 2013 05:56 AM (UypUQ)

27 Ah, the minority (dems) are the only ones who got the transcribed interviews.

Issa is pissed.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 05:56 AM (GoIUi)

28
Also, in addition to Flake, Graham and Hatch:

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), who voted against the bill out of committee, said he would support allowing it to move forward for debate -- rather than joining a filibuster -- once on the Senate floor.

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), who was also a "no" vote, said if it had been between his vote and moving the bill to the Senate floor, he would have voted in favor.

Huffpo

So, the over under should be about 70 votes or so in the Senate.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 22, 2013 05:57 AM (kdS6q)

29 Are these hearing with swearing in or not? No swearing in = penalty-free freedom to lie. Which is what they've done so far w/ Hillary, etc.

Posted by: Robot Bat Mitzvah at May 22, 2013 05:57 AM (ZR4Xh)

30 Lots of empty seats on the Dem side.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 05:57 AM (BAS5M)

31 OK, so as a Brit/Canadian/Belgian, do I now get to come to the US without a visa and stay forever and get a green card?

Or is this bill .... racist?

Posted by: Erwin at May 22, 2013 05:57 AM (k+Dk7)

32 Ah, the minority (dems) are the only ones who got the transcribed interviews.

Issa is pissed.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 09:56 AM (GoIUi)

Which transcribed interviews? With the IRS LLEs?

(LLE = Lower Level Employee)

I BET he's pissed.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 05:58 AM (4df7R)

33 The BALLS on these guys!

Posted by: huerfano at May 22, 2013 05:58 AM (bAGA/)

34 Are they ever planning on bringing forth the TP groups as witnesses? Kinda important to hear from the victims of the crime, methinks.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 22, 2013 05:58 AM (UypUQ)

35 And here I thought I was being all original with "dickhole." Great minds think alike, RWC! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 22, 2013 09:55 AM (4df7R) Well, I did appropriate PLA from you. So thanks

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 05:58 AM (fWAjv)

36 Screw these guys.

Posted by: Y-not, disgusted at May 22, 2013 05:59 AM (5H6zj)

37 31 OK, so as a Brit/Canadian/Belgian, do I now get to come to the US without a visa and stay forever and get a green card? Or is this bill .... racist? Posted by: Erwin at May 22, 2013 09:57 AM (k+Dk7) No green card needed. Just get your foot in the door with a job in a fast food entity in a federal building.

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 05:59 AM (fWAjv)

38 #32 Transcribed interviews with LLE's done by the IG.

Boy, Issa was MAD!!

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 05:59 AM (GoIUi)

39 Good morning good people from South Central Los Angeles. I am watching Elijah Cummings making an ass of himself as usual. He is so pathetic! I love how the Democrats keep calling for fairness and bipartisanship in the hearing. I guess they didn't believe fat meat was greasy and now they know it is. The chickens have come home to roast.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at May 22, 2013 06:00 AM (Vbutc)

40
The "Bush appointee" was recommended by Goldman-Sachs democrat Secretary Paulson and has a record of donations to democrat candidates and none to Republicans.
Posted by: Miss Marple

So, kinda dumb for Bush to appoint him, huh? Oh, I forgot - #MakingLifeWork.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 22, 2013 06:00 AM (kdS6q)

41 The Plan:

1) Spend trillions in welfare on new welfaretards
2) <Skipped>
3) Permanent voting majority!

Posted by: Robot Bat Mitzvah at May 22, 2013 09:53 AM

I think I fixed the problem. :-)

Posted by: Underpants Gnome #2 at May 22, 2013 06:00 AM (f0eZQ)

42 Also, I refuse to post about amnesty in protest of Drew deciding that we are to ignore the hearings and talk about what he has decided is important.

Wait, what? I disdain Drew as much as any sane Conservative, but it's not exactly him setting the timeline here. The Senate is trying to push amnesty. Of the two (the Obama admin's scandals and amnesty) it's a horse race between which is worse for the Republic.

The scandals (and the thuggery they represent) are huge now, and can cause (potentially) catastrophic damage in the short term, but even so it's just one administration- there are limits on the damage it can do (short of going full Chavez).

Amnesty *will* (as opposed to "may") destroy the Republic in a variety of ways, and it will last forever.

I don't know that we need to stop paying attention to the one so that we can also pay attention to the other, but we do need to pay attention to the amnesty shenanigans.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 06:00 AM (/PCJa)

43 Watergate hearings opened, 40 years ago this week

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 22, 2013 06:01 AM (8sCoq)

44 At this rate, I may go to Germany and play the Holocaust card in order to demand asylum so I can live in a country that still values the work ethic.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 22, 2013 06:01 AM (dZ756)

45 #40 Well, I suppose dumb but when you know you only have a year left and that the dems are going to block anyone other than a dem, you sort of throw in the towel.

Besides, can you name anyone of stature in the GOP who WANTS to head up the IRS?

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 06:01 AM (GoIUi)

46 Obama is trying to overwhelm us on all fronts.

Posted by: Baldy at May 22, 2013 06:01 AM (tyDFN)

OT, but Hell Yes:

General Zod makes his appearance over at Firstshowing.net in the new Superman Trailer:

http://tinyurl.com/p9fm28f

Posted by: Sharkman at May 22, 2013 06:02 AM (03IDC)

48 Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), who voted against the bill out of committee, said he would support allowing it to move forward for debate -- rather than joining a filibuster -- once on the Senate floor.

Aargh!

Once more, with feeling: when you are in the minority, a vote for cloture is a vote for the bill.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 06:02 AM (/PCJa)

49 I am praying that Issa has enough sense to put any witness of any level on any topic under oath, but I will not hold my breath waiting for intelligent conduct of a House committee even when run by the repubs.

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 22, 2013 06:02 AM (Cnqmv)

50 WTF is Rep Lynch going on about? Look! Squirrel!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:02 AM (BAS5M)

51 Or is this bill .... racist?

Posted by: Erwin at May 22, 2013 09:57 AM (k+Dk7)

If only that "Canadian" part of your heritage had pertained to our SOUTHERN border, you'd be home free. But alas, you are not of the preferred ethnic group, and in fact have a double helping of the most despised cultural group, the White European. I'm afraid you don't win the green card lottery this year.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 06:03 AM (4df7R)

52 "But the Senate Republicans held the line against Gay Binational Couples in the bill. Because, Conservatism!"
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So the Republicans help pass this piece of crap AND give the Dems ammunition to paint them as still being bigotty-bigots. Fabulous.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 22, 2013 06:03 AM (0qqnb)

53 This will have to clear the House, right? Where the "Rethuglicans" will have to play the heavy and defeat it?

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at May 22, 2013 06:03 AM (2Oas0)

54 Here's my thirty second "elevator pitch" against Amnesty II, The Revenge. Meant for the low information voters in your life:

They shoved the massive and hugely complex Obamacare bill through at top speed, after writing the details in back rooms in the middle of the night with no public scrutiny. Now we find out that Obamacare is a "trainwreck", in the words of one of the Senators who actually wrote the bill.

Now they are shoving an equally massive and hugely complex immigration "reform" through at top speed, writing the details in back rooms in the middle of the night with no public scrutiny. It is guaranteed to be another trainwreck. And at a time when we still haven't been able to assess the full extent of the damage from the first trainwreck.

The emergency brakes need to go on and this thing has to stop, right now. And we need a new rule: only one trainwreck per Presidency. Obama's successor can take up immigration.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2013 06:03 AM (gqT4g)

55 Note to Sen Cornyn - join the filibuster - or start looking for new employment, or do you not remember what state you are from?

Posted by: [/i]An Observation at May 22, 2013 06:04 AM (ylhEn)

56 Call, write, e-mail, IM your Senators and demand they vote NO on this terrible amnesty bill! Post it on Twitter, FB, and/or every other social media site. Kill the bill, before it kills the nation!

Posted by: Horrified Observer at May 22, 2013 06:04 AM (/sohm)

57 Once more, with feeling: when you are in the minority, a vote for cloture is a vote for the bill.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 10:02 AM (/PCJa)

But I bet he gets good tee times and continued invites to the A-list DC soirÃ©es.

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 22, 2013 06:04 AM (Cnqmv)

58 No swearing in = penalty-free freedom to lie.

Nope. Lying to Congress is a crime- even if you're not under oath.

Of course, they prosecute that crime with all the frequency of prosecuting perjury, so take that for what it's worth.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 06:04 AM (/PCJa)

That's the kind of genius level thinking you can expect from ~~the GOP~~ a bunch of corrupt collaborationists who desperately want to hang on to their phoney-baloney jobs rather than return to the private sector for the ass-raping they so richly deserve.

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 22, 2013 06:04 AM (zF6Iw)

60 46 Obama is trying to overwhelm us on all fronts.
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The Democrats as a whole.

Posted by: Boomer at May 22, 2013 06:04 AM (aDwsi)

61
Yes the immigration bill is racist, thats why la raza was there. I know a Brit that has been going thru the system being harrassed constantly for years trying to become a citizen and the Mexicans not following the law will beat him to it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 22, 2013 06:04 AM (jKWYf)

OK, so as a Brit/Canadian/Belgian, do I now get to come to the US without a visa and stay forever and get a green card?

Why would you want to?

Posted by: RushBabe at May 22, 2013 06:05 AM (qkZxk)

63 When is it Gowdy's turn...better yet lets just let him run the whole damn thing.

Posted by: H Badger at May 22, 2013 06:05 AM (n/0Nw)

64 Well on the bright side, making the democrat party the permanent party makes my chances at election better Ummm, thanks?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 22, 2013 06:05 AM (i4RhQ)

65 Are we not allowed a separate hearing thread?

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 22, 2013 06:05 AM (LBBS3)

66 Lynch threatens a Special Prosecutor if answers are not forthcoming.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:06 AM (BAS5M)

67
They only need what, 15 or 20 in the House to vote with the Dems. Its a done deal. We're boned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 22, 2013 06:06 AM (jKWYf)

68 To the gallows with the lot of them. Traitors every one.

Posted by: Publius Cornelius Agulhas at May 22, 2013 06:06 AM (ZfGEy)

69 At this rate, I may go to Germany and play the Holocaust card in order to demand asylum so I can live in a country that still values the work ethic.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 22, 2013 10:01 AM (dZ756)

If you do, be prepared to get beaten up by "Asian youths" on a regular basis.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 06:06 AM (4df7R)

70 The emergency brakes need to go on and this thing has to stop, right now. And we need a new rule: only one trainwreck per Presidency. Obama's successor can take up immigration. --- I just hope that the House is willing to throw this back in the Senate's face, bringing up points of substance such as the kinds of people who are already here *legally*, like Speedbump and Flashbang, who will likely see their cousins and everyone else come over if this shit passes.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 22, 2013 06:06 AM (zA7Zp)

71 Well on the bright side, making the democrat party the permanent party makes my chances at election better

You mean they're not already the permanent party in HI? Really?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 06:06 AM (/PCJa)

72 Michelle Malkin links to this RedState piece that hammers the chilling point home as well: Mitch McConnell Supports SchumerÂ’s Amnesty/Immigration Deform Bill Chuck Schumer is the defacto GOP leader in the Senate. All he has to do is craft legislation, and Republicans will ask how many votes he needs. ... Mitch McConnell voted for the 1986 amnesty bill. Seldom do lawmakers have the opportunity to rectify the same mistakes in such a dramatic way. Instead he is opting to roll over and genuflect before The Schumercare Democrat Voting Act of 2013. This is endemic of McConnellÂ’s approach to follow from behind instead of lead from the front. He knows that Democrats have the votes to strike down all GOP amendments to put real enforcement triggers in the bill. They have already done that on a committee level. Once the debate proceeds, there is no way to stop the runaway train. Failing to filibuster it now is nothing but a rubber stamp on the bill. And despite McConnellÂ’s carefully choreographed statements, that is exactly what he wants. http://tinyurl.com/nras4nd SICK And, I won't link Michael Medved's piece over at the IBD Editorials. It's filled with BS.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 22, 2013 06:07 AM (XYSwB)

73 Guilty

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 22, 2013 06:07 AM (8sCoq)

74 Witnesses being sworn in

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:07 AM (BAS5M)

75 There's the 'meaningless' oath.

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 06:07 AM (fWAjv)

76 At this rate, I may go to Germany and play the Holocaust card in order to demand asylum so I can live in a country that still values the work ethic.

I hear Belize is nice.

Of course, I've never been there, and you wouldn't want to drink the water.
Of course, on the 'of course,' we're Morons so we likely wouldn't drink the water anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 06:07 AM (/PCJa)

77 Koch bros are supporting this POS. Call it done.

Posted by: Hunkered down at May 22, 2013 06:07 AM (Cs2tJ)

All right! Let's get this done for the Midterms! w00t! Now the GOP will have it ALL now that all these natural Conservatives are going to be voting for

wait I missed something

Posted by: Bigby's Gunpowder Burnt Hands at May 22, 2013 06:07 AM (3ZtZW)

79 Woooo, hoooo! Issa swears the witnesses in..

Buckling seatbelt here.

Posted by: Boomer at May 22, 2013 06:08 AM (aDwsi)

80 As a legal immigrant, I am enraged. I may need to borrow atc's interpretive dance of rage, with extra rageyness.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 22, 2013 06:08 AM (6zgse)

81 I hear Belize is nice. Of course, I've never been there, and you wouldn't want to drink the water. Of course, on the 'of course,' we're Morons so we likely wouldn't drink the water anyway. --- I wouldn't want to build there. I don't want idiot construction crew getting me in trouble by using parts of a 3000 year old temple to make my driveway.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 22, 2013 06:09 AM (zA7Zp)

82 If they get Amnesty then all the rest of it is moot.

Posted by: Alphonious IV at May 22, 2013 06:09 AM (epWQP)

83 I hear Belize is nice.
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Not really. Pretty good beer though...

Posted by: Boomer at May 22, 2013 06:09 AM (aDwsi)

84 "Obama is trying to overwhelm us on all fronts." It is working on Marple.

Posted by: nip at May 22, 2013 06:09 AM (lGVXf)

85 The Burning Times stands on the horizon.

Posted by: eman at May 22, 2013 06:09 AM (SXsuy)

86 Live video of hearings ; http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/

Posted by: Boomer at May 22, 2013 06:09 AM (aDwsi)

87 At least, I have a home country to return to if America continues circling the drain. And I could make a very good living with a nice cushy life there.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 22, 2013 06:10 AM (6zgse)

88 69 At this rate, I may go to Germany and play the Holocaust card in order to demand asylum so I can live in a country that still values the work ethic.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 22, 2013 10:01 AM (dZ756)

If you do, be prepared to get beaten up by "Asian youths" on a regular basis. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit

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I've never had a problem being in Germany, including when I'm all gothed up. The Asian Youth problem is in England. Germans don't call them Asians anyway -- and the Caliphaties in Germany or mostly Turk.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 22, 2013 06:10 AM (dZ756)

89 Lynch threatens a Special Prosecutor if answers are not forthcoming.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 10:06 AM (BAS5M)

And how exactly would that happen? I'm all for it,b ut if Holder doesn't want to do it, it won't get done.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 06:10 AM (4df7R)

90 Anyone know where I can watch hearings without having it interrupted by fucking commercials

Posted by: Ma Bell at May 22, 2013 06:11 AM (RLdcX)

91 I am old enough that I remember when the illegal Mexicans and their Socialist enablers were trying to "break" into the Chicago trade union locals--especially the Laborers', which had great benefits and paid a nice pension for doing unskilled, but, hard and dirty work. Those are the guys you see at job sites with the shovels doing the manual digging, etc.. It was basically the union for anyone who had union connections, but, was not smart enough or handy enough to have a skilled trade like operating a bulldozer. I remember hearing my Dad's buddies talk about it in whispers--they had the common sense to know that once you had one illegal in a union, then a precedent had been set, and you would have Americans out of work because of illegals in those jobs.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 22, 2013 06:11 AM (kXoT0)

92 Note whenever some house organ writes about Amnesty, they always talk about the "delicate balances" and "compromises" in the bill... as if McAmnesty and Pansygraham were really going to put up any kind of fight at all.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 22, 2013 06:12 AM (QXlbZ)

>>>At this rate, I may go to Germany and play the Holocaust card in order to demand asylum so I can live in a country that still values the work ethic.

Was watching the Documentary "Fighter" the other day, about two old guys from Czechoslavakia who escaped after the Germans invaded. Lots of interesting stuff, but the one thats sticking with me now is they were both told by different adults to GTFO any way they could and trust wherever they landed they'd be OK

Posted by: Bigby's Gunpowder Burnt Hands at May 22, 2013 06:12 AM (3ZtZW)

94 Nevermind

Posted by: Ma Bell at May 22, 2013 06:12 AM (RLdcX)

95 "If they get Amnesty then all the rest of it is moot."

This.

For Pete's sake, given how radically amnesty will tilt the political table to the Democrats, there wouldn't even be any hearings like these going on. It would all have been quietly quashed by now. Chicago rules, forever, no escape.

Amnesty isn't just giving away the store. It's giving away the store, the keys to the truck, the contents of the gun safe, and the PIN to the bank card.

And it's utterly unfuckingbelievable that the GOP Senate contingent can't see this. Or do see it and don't care. They've got theirs.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2013 06:12 AM (gqT4g)

96 As a legal immigrant, I am enraged. I may need to borrow atc's interpretive dance of rage, with extra rageyness.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 22, 2013 10:08 AM (6zgse)

I'm sure AtC would be willing to loan the IDoR to you for an extended period, free of charge!

My mother came here from England in the 50s. She is PISSED.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 06:13 AM (4df7R)

97 http://nation.foxnews.com/irs-scandal/2013/05/22/watch-live-house-hearing-irs-scandal

Posted by: Baldy at May 22, 2013 06:13 AM (tyDFN)

98 OK really should work hahaha

Posted by: Bigby's Gunpowder Burnt Hands at May 22, 2013 06:13 AM (3ZtZW)

99 This is why I have given up on politics; Barack Mugabe has f---ked this country over beyond anyone's ability to fix it.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 22, 2013 06:13 AM (QXlbZ)

100
I just hope that the House is willing to throw this back in the Senate's face...
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge

There's a similar bill in the House that Boehner will push, so at best it's off to conference.

Done deal.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 22, 2013 06:14 AM (kdS6q)

101 Shulman saying IRS does a good job the majority of the time...

Posted by: Baldy at May 22, 2013 06:14 AM (tyDFN)

102

And it's utterly unfuckingbelievable that the GOP Senate contingent can't see this. Or do see it and don't care. They've got theirs.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 22, 2013 10:12 AM (gqT4g)

Ironic that the GOP has turned into Tammany Hall: "What are you going to do about it?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 22, 2013 06:14 AM (zF6Iw)

103 I've never had a problem being in Germany, including when I'm all gothed up. The Asian Youth problem is in England. Germans don't call them Asians anyway -- and the Caliphaties in Germany or mostly Turk.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 22, 2013 10:10 AM (dZ756)

The "Asian youth" problem is throughout Europe. It's why Merkel proclaimed the idea of "multiculturalism" a failure a couple of years ago. And it's only going to get worse.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 22, 2013 06:15 AM (4df7R)

104 Lois Lerner Statement NOW

Posted by: Baldy at May 22, 2013 06:15 AM (tyDFN)

105 Once amnesty is passed 90 percent of R's will switch parties and arm the new citizens to help defend them. It's going to get bloody.

Posted by: Hunkered down at May 22, 2013 06:15 AM (Cs2tJ)

106 Lois Lerner - "I'm proud of all the work I've done. I have not done anything wrong. . . . "

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:16 AM (BAS5M)

107 Germany had a problem in 1980 when I went there on a school trip. Literal hordes of muslim men on street corners, catcalling we teens, in particular, me, a teenage boy.

LOIS Lerner now saying she broke no laws, now pleading Fifth... ???

Posted by: Baldy at May 22, 2013 06:17 AM (tyDFN)

108 Lerner - I've not done anything wrong but I'm asserting my 5th Amendment rights

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:17 AM (BAS5M)

109 nip, no it isn't working on me.

I think of people who would come here and want to know what's going on in the IRS hearing.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time, but headlines are a different matter for readers.

Sorry if that aggravates some, but that is MY opinion, and I am sticking with it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 06:18 AM (GoIUi)

110 Now I wanna tell you a story. I'm gonna ask ya'all to close your eyes while I tell you this story. I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen to yourselves. This is a story about a woman, wanting to start a group to set the country on the right path. I want you to picture this woman. Suddenly a FBI truck races up. Two men jump out and grab her. They drag her into a nearby IRS field office and they lay her records out, and they rip her tax returns from her files. Now they climb on, first the IRS, then the FBI, and ATF, auditing her, interrogating her like a criminal, shattering everything innocent and pure -- vicious questioning about her faith and political activities - in a fog of drunken breath from gin and tonics from The Palm. And when they're done, after they killed sense of 1st Amendment freedom, murdered any chance for her to organize like minded individuals for the upcoming election, to have a say in government beyond her own, they decide to use her as an example. So they start throwing accusations at her. They throw 'em so hard that it scares away other groups trying to file for tax exempt status. Now comes the House hearings. They have the media in their back pocket; they have support of the LIV crowd. Imagine the proverbial 'noose' pulling tight around the Bill of Rights. The will of Congress isn't strong enough. Can you see her? I want you to picture that woman? Now imagine she's a liberal. The defense rests your honor.

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 06:20 AM (fWAjv)

111 LOL Issa says Lerner effectively waived her rights

Posted by: Baldy at May 22, 2013 06:20 AM (tyDFN)

112 Go TREY!!!!!!

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 06:21 AM (fWAjv)

113 Go, Trey!!! Gowdy, Gowdy, Gowdy!!!!!

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 06:21 AM (GoIUi)

114 Shit status = Just Got Real

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:21 AM (BAS5M)

115 I wouldn't want to build there. I don't want idiot construction crew getting me in trouble by using parts of a 3000 year old temple to make my driveway.

Well, I didn't say you wouldn't have to check the references of whatever contractor you hired.

I have not done anything wrong. That's why I'll refuse to answer your questions about wrongdoing.

The 5th Amendment is a very two-edged sword. What it really means is that you're not supposed to be asked to incriminate yourself ("Did you do it?"), but when a prosecutor/lawyer/congresscritter asks you something else ("Was there a directive...") and you plead the 5th, people (rightly, in my estimation) assume that you have something you're hiding.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 06:22 AM (/PCJa)

116 GOOD - applause at Trey Goudy's comment she waived her rights and she should stay and answer Q's... Elijah is an idiot.

Posted by: Baldy at May 22, 2013 06:22 AM (tyDFN)

117 115 LOL Issa says Lerner effectively waived her rights --- I figured something like this was coming up, but thought Gowdy would do it instead of Issa. The question of "How can you have done nothing wrong yet your answers tend to incriminate you?" seems to have bitten her in the ass.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 22, 2013 06:22 AM (zA7Zp)

118 Don't let her go. Question her and make her refuse to answer each damn one. Fuck niceties.

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 06:22 AM (fWAjv)

119 Go, Trey!!! Gowdy, Gowdy, Gowdy!!!!!

D*mn it, and I can't watch.

What'd he say?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 06:23 AM (/PCJa)

120

LOL Issa says Lerner effectively waived her rights

Issa to Lerner: "Shit status - Loose."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 22, 2013 06:23 AM (zF6Iw)

121 Enjoy your 15 minutes, honey.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:23 AM (BAS5M)

122 #122 Hard to do without looking like the dreaded bullier of women. Issa, however, is keeping the right to recall her.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 06:24 AM (GoIUi)

123 Can we get a new thread for this?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 22, 2013 06:25 AM (zF6Iw)

124 What'd he say? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 22, 2013 10:23 AM (/PCJa) Basically that she waved her right when she stated that she was innocent of any wrongdoing. If she makes that statement, she should stay and answer questions.

Posted by: RWC at May 22, 2013 06:25 AM (fWAjv)

125 Issa laying down a line of supressing bullshit. lol

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:25 AM (BAS5M)

126 127 Can we get a new thread for this? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 22, 2013 10:25 AM (zF6Iw) It's up.

Posted by: [/s][/b]jwb7605 ([i][u]Let it Burn[/u][/i]) at May 22, 2013 06:26 AM (Qxe/p)

127 Gowdy said you can't waltz in and declare your innocence and then refuse to answer any questions. BAM!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 22, 2013 06:26 AM (BAS5M)

128 A few minutes of national discomfort will hardly discourage the hearty Lois. Why, she'll probably go to her upscale neighborhood home and roll around in all of her harassment bonus money that she keeps on her king-size bed, laughing all the while, only to stop for a congratulatory call from Duh Won..

Posted by: RushBabe at May 22, 2013 06:26 AM (qkZxk)

129 The irony of Lerner's pleading Fifth is noted by ____?

Posted by: Baldy at May 22, 2013 06:27 AM (tyDFN)

130 #123 (Reminding you that I am posting NOT about amnesty, I will answer):

She gave this statement about how she had not done anything wrong and had done nothing illegal etc. Then she said that she was on the advice of her counsel refusing to testify on any of the stuff they were going to question her on. She did not use the standard form, "I refuse to testify on the grounds that it might incriminate me" but instead just said she wasn't going to testify.

After Issa said that she and her attorney were dismissed, Gopwdy spoke up and said that he thought she had waived her right to refuse and couldn't then refuse after she had testified.

Then he said, "You don't get to come and give YOUR side of the story and then refuse to answer any questions!"

Then there was APPLAUSE for Gowdy!

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 22, 2013 06:29 AM (GoIUi)

131

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 22, 2013 06:44 AM (yAor6)

132 be afraid of those with my skin color Drew, be very afraid!

seriously this bill sucks and I'd urge Rubio to just walk away at this point but my criticisms about the tone used by some about this bill still stands

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at May 22, 2013 06:45 AM (yAor6)

133

So we scour the Earth these, looking for people who have violated our laws every single day, pick the ones with the highest numbers, and say "Hey, you look like a GREAT candidate for our newest citizens!" Dems are a bunch of f-ing crooks, but we let them get away with "political correctness" for FAR too long.

Why bother with an army? We just let people walk on in, and take over, without a single shot.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 22, 2013 06:54 AM (Mxt9o)

134 I don't think it's an exaggeration to say if this passes, it will be the end of the Republic.

I will say I have some optimism though that it won't. The Boston bomber episode really took the wind out of the sails, and the recent scandals have to terrify Democrats in 2014. Even open border Republicans like Kristol are saying Rubio should cut and run.

Still, the House is probably the place it will get stopped, I could see it passing the Senate.

Posted by: McAdams at May 22, 2013 08:04 AM (qblm3)

135 I can't believe the Republicans are going to bend over on amnesty. That's a lie, of course I knew they were going to bend over on amnesty, but still it can be shocking watching somebody slowly commit suicide.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 22, 2013 09:56 AM (jKWYf)

I thought they might pretend to fight a little bit more. Holy crap McConnell just bent over to take a full load full steam ahead. They are all worthless fuckers.

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at May 22, 2013 09:27 AM (HVff2)

136 I hope rubifuck gets caught in a hail of gang banging wetback bullets.

Posted by: Torqued at May 22, 2013 11:19 AM (AKS75)

137 Jeff Flake does not have the "gravitas" to survive like McCain has. He is digging his own grave, and I will be happy to push him into it by supporting a real CONSERVATIVE challenger in AZ in 2018. He thinks he is going to get by with this ... NOT

Posted by: Cheryltaxlady at May 22, 2013 06:39 PM (isSOK)

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