December 12, 2013

And He Spake That They Should Be Deemed To Be Covered, And It Was So. And It Was Good.
— Ace

On the podcast over the past few weeks, we've been talking about what happens on January 1st, when people start showing up in emergency rooms due to car accidents or sudden medical crises, and discover they're not actually covered, either because they couldn't sign up at all, or didn't get the check to the insurer in time, or thought, erroneously, that health care was "free."

@johnekdahl ventured a guess: Maybe Obama would just create New Law once again and demand that insurers deem the uninsured to be insured.

It seemed to only be on the outermost fringes of the possible... and yet, as the Day of Catastrophe and Crisis approaches, the Administration seems to be thinking more and more about the Unthinkable Solution.

During the Obamacare rollout, stories have spread about millions of Americans losing their current health insurance coverage, preferred doctors and hospitals as plans restrict networks to comply with the law, and losing their prescription drug coverage.

On Thursday afternoon, the Department of Health and Human Services said it was “strongly encouraging” insurers to help the department fix a raft of problems created by the rocky rollout of President Obama’s health care law.

Among the guidance the HHS announced:

— It is requiring insurers to accept payments until Dec. 31 for coverage starting on Jan. 1.

That's absurd and illegal. They need time to actually have the check clear the bank to actually be paid. But Obama has spoken, and it shall be so.

It is also “urging” insurers to give individuals more time beyond that to pay for coverage.

If you want insurance to begin January 1st, you can pay, like, whenever.

In other words, if somebody pays for coverage in the middle of January, HHS is asking insurers to retroactively make that person's coverage effective as of Jan. 1. HHS is also asking insurers to cover individuals who offer a "down payment," even if that payment only covers part of the first month's premiums.

They go further-- after having imposed "skinny network" coverage on America, the HHS is now "strongly encouraging" (again) insurers to pay for doctors outside of the network. That is, pay for non-network doctors.

So that people don't realize (at least at first) that they will not be keeping their doctor at all.



On a conference call, an HHS spokeswoman emphasized: “We are just proposing it as an option and we’re encouraging issuers. There is no requirement.”

Translation: HHS has a huge mess on its hands and it hopes that by getting ahead of this news, it can foist the blame for the problems on insurers.

This is all very close to simply ordering insurers to "deem" that everyone is insured, as John speculated. It seems that way to Phillip Klein, anyway:


AllahPundit notes that many insurers are complying with the "strong encouragement" of the government shakedown artists, and are creating a special grace period for payment, until early January. Some states are ordering grace periods until January 7, 8, or even 15.

ThatÂ’ll avert lapses in coverage for people who see the doctor early next month, not realizing that their first payment was already due by New YearÂ’s Eve. Remember, though, according to one expert who spoke to Charles Ornstein about this, insurers can probably expect only half of their customers to have paid up by the December 31st deadline. Even if another 25 percent manage to make payment during the grace period, youÂ’re still looking at thousands of people whose coverage will lapse in January. ThatÂ’s a political disaster for HHS in the making. Uncle Sam will have to do something about it. But what?

Deem everyone covered. What else can he do?

Only about half of the people "covered" by Obamacare will have paid by January 1st -- this is largely Obama's fault, of course, because how the hell could they have bought insurance with a non-functioning site?

And there's still more work to be done -- all those fragged 834s will have to be corrected and reconciled by human intervention before tens of thousands of other people are even noted in an insurers' client list.

And Obama won't want to take the political hit for that. So just deem everyone covered.

Just like that. Just make a pronouncement. Just create law by kingly edict.

We are approaching the nation's Monarchical Moment.

Posted by: Ace at 01:04 PM | Comments (303)
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1 And nothing can be done about it.  We are just screwed.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 12, 2013 01:05 PM (6H6o8)

2 Two firsts in one day?!  I better get back to work!

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 12, 2013 01:06 PM (6H6o8)

3 Make it so.

Posted by: Jean Luc Obamacard at December 12, 2013 01:06 PM (XUKZU)

4 "... and yet, as the Day of Catastrophe and Crisis approaches, the Administration seems to be thinking more and more about the Unthinkable Solution." They said something like that at Wannsee, in January of 1942. Something about "solutionÂ…"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:07 PM (olDqf)

5 I don't think getting medical coverage would give my mom peace of mind.

She's dead.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:07 PM (LSDdO)

6 BREAKING:  Politifact's Lie of The Year 2013 --- "If You Like Your Health Plan You Can Keep It."

Posted by: rockmom at December 12, 2013 01:07 PM (NYnoe)

7 Wait, so if everyone is declared covered, do I actually ever have to pay for insurance? Or even healthcare? Where was all this in the Federalist Papers?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:08 PM (olDqf)

8 I deem the Preezy to be a megalomaniacal, narcissistic asshole.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 12, 2013 01:08 PM (DrWcr)

9 5 I don't think getting medical coverage would give my mom peace of mind. She's dead. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 05:07 PM (LSDdO) What about the several hundred "schvartzirim" voting under her name?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:09 PM (olDqf)

10 Watching The Five . .  Does Tantaros have a lazy eye ? 

Posted by: McCool at December 12, 2013 01:09 PM (nCSwS)

11

When is anybody going to hold Obama and his minions responsible?  I am thinking people need to go to jail for what they have done, this is criminal.

 

Posted by: Doug at December 12, 2013 01:09 PM (7NE77)

12 Crap. I just mentioned this at the end of the last thread.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2013 01:10 PM (FNtJ6)

13

What happens to  insurance companies  that don't do as  they are "strongly encouranged" to do?

 

See the previous  post. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2013 01:10 PM (xCw24)

14 So let it be written . . .  so let it be done

Posted by: Pharoah TFG at December 12, 2013 01:10 PM (nCSwS)

15 I keep hearing music, but nobody's dancing yet.

Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 12, 2013 01:10 PM (evdj2)

16 I saw Monarchical Moment open for Incipient Tyranny in St. Petersburg in 1917.  The reunion tour in Berlin '33 was epic.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at December 12, 2013 01:10 PM (A0sHn)

17 Well Ace, does your olfactory detect any of that Reichstag smoke yet?

Posted by: maddogg at December 12, 2013 01:10 PM (xWW96)

18 no pre-existing conditions + retroactive coverage = ever fewer suckers sign up.

Posted by: X at December 12, 2013 01:10 PM (KHo8t)

19 Best move for SCOAMF - repeal his law and blame everyone for fucking the whole thing up since March of 2010.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (olDqf)

20 When is one of the insurance companies going to sue the shit out of them?  When is the House going to impeach him for being a lawless SOB who thinks he is God?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (T2V/1)

21 There's this clause in this dusty old document called the constitution that prohibits impairment of contracts but I'm pretty sure it doesn't count any more.

No State shall  . . . pass any  . . . Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts[.]

Article 1, section 10, clause 1.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (XUKZU)

22 Well obama wants all the insurance companies to go belly up anyway.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (t3UFN)

23

is this like a 'deem' thing?

 

Just deem it to be?

 

Sorta like a magic wand?

Posted by: pepppep at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (W6iIX)

24 Barrel.

Posted by: . at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (pj6Nr)

25 january 8 will be much better. Everyone has boatloads of cash sitting around right after Christmas.

Posted by: DamnCat at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (TBN/J)

26 14 So let it be written . . . so let it be done Posted by: Pharoah TFG at December 12, 2013 05:10 PM (nCSwS) "Let my people GOOOOÂ….."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (olDqf)

27 X better hope none of my spiders got lost in the barrel.

Posted by: maddogg at December 12, 2013 01:11 PM (xWW96)

28
Barry the Sham Pharaoh: So it shall be written so it shall be done

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 12, 2013 01:12 PM (1Jaio)

29 Barrel time!

Posted by: BignJames at December 12, 2013 01:12 PM (ZNQKl)

30 Nationalize all the businesses in America, it's what commies do best

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 01:12 PM (t3UFN)

31 20 When is one of the insurance companies going to sue the shit out of them? When is the House going to impeach him for being a lawless SOB who thinks he is God? Posted by: Vic at December 12, 2013 05:11 PM (T2V/1) Vic! You are a laugh riot!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:12 PM (olDqf)

32 By pointing out that the boy king has no clothes, you are merely asking for an audit.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 12, 2013 01:12 PM (O3C36)

33 This actually seems like a smaller leap than mandating coverage for pre-existing conditions. Eventually there will just be a kiosk in the emergency room where you can swipe your debit card and buy your "insurance" while they're wheeling you in for surgery.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 12, 2013 01:12 PM (+lsX1)

34 Posted by: X

TL;DR

Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 12, 2013 01:13 PM (evdj2)

35 TEN!!!

In the barrel.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:13 PM (LSDdO)

36 Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Congress Wednesday that the cancellation of a private plan should not be equated with losing coverage."I know people have been told their health plan doesn't necessarily match the Affordable Care Act requirements," she said. "Losing coverage and being notified that the plan they have doesn't exist anymore are two very different things."

http://tinyurl.com/okoghgv

Posted by: jeannebodine at December 12, 2013 01:13 PM (2LJqa)

37 Watching The Five . . Does Tantaros have a lazy eye ?

Posted by: McCool at December 12, 2013 05:09 PM (nCSwS)

 

WTF you doing looking at her face for?

 

sweater puppies yo!

Posted by: pepppep at December 12, 2013 01:13 PM (W6iIX)

38


Go look at that fuckin ad on the sidebar.

IT IS MISSPELLED.

THE IDIOTS.


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunnies at December 12, 2013 01:13 PM (xggaJ)

39 Heroin in the eyeball during a board meeting. Seriously, how the hell can any general counsel for an insurance company assure his/her client that the client is in compliance with the law when even the Red Queen's rulings are more consistent.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 12, 2013 01:13 PM (VtjlW)

40 Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 12, 2013 05:13 PM (evdj2)

Wait what? There wasn't anything TO read.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:13 PM (LSDdO)

41 "Let my people GOOOO�.." Posted by: J.J. Sefton JJ, can you ask the Boss to send locusts?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2013 01:13 PM (FNtJ6)

42 Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Congress Wednesday that the cancellation of a private plan should not be equated with losing coverage."I know people have been told their health plan doesn't necessarily match the Affordable Care Act requirements," she said. "Losing coverage and being notified that the plan they have doesn't exist anymore are two very different things."

http://tinyurl.com/okoghgv

Posted by: jeannebodine at December 12, 2013 05:13 PM (2LJqa)



Because you can keep a non existent plan

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 12, 2013 01:14 PM (1Jaio)

43 enter into the search text box of your favorite online reference the words

define fascism

When Obama and his loyalists suddenly turn extremely nationalistic, that when you should start to worry. Until then, not so much. 

Posted by: Tatum's Turnip Truck Delivery Service at December 12, 2013 01:14 PM (cz9wZ)

44
Deem everyone covered. What else can he do?
 


Requiring all doctors/hospitals/clinics and so to accept  Medicaid patients.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2013 01:14 PM (kdS6q)

45 If you like Insurance Companies and their Shareholders to actually make money, You can, what the fuck are you a Republican or something?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 01:14 PM (t3UFN)

46 41 JJ, can you ask the Boss to send locusts? Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2013 05:13 PM (FNtJ6) Wait, dom, tzifardaiya, kee-neem, day-var, machis b'chorosÂ… Which one's locusts? I think boils or murrain might be more better.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:15 PM (olDqf)

47 Can he part the seas too?  Because I'd like to walk out and pick up some fresh fish.

Posted by: huerfano at December 12, 2013 01:15 PM (bAGA/)

48 Deem?  Doom?   What's the difference?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 01:15 PM (N/Sup)

49 sweater puppies yo!

Posted by pepppep at December 12, 2013 05:13 PM (W6iIX) 


-----


Heh.... beat me to it.


And magnificent puppies they are.


Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2013 01:15 PM (nELVU)

50 For some strange reason I'm hearing zither music. Strange...

Posted by: Kreplach at December 12, 2013 01:15 PM (bZKG0)

51 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 05:12 PM (t3UFN)

No that's what Fascist's do.

Communists seize the means of production.

See how that works?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:16 PM (LSDdO)

52 The spirits have done it in one night! Well they're spirits and they can do anything they like...... Obama Scrooge...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 12, 2013 01:16 PM (9+ccr)

53 28 Barry the Sham Pharaoh: So it shall be written so it shall be done Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 12, 2013 05:12 PM (1Jaio) Now, now. Tut-tut, Putt-Putt.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:16 PM (olDqf)

54 I see leeches and bleedings in all our futures.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 12, 2013 01:16 PM (xlX1p)

55 Barry O! the Phairy-O!:  You will make these insurance bricks without straw!

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 12, 2013 01:16 PM (XUKZU)

56 Wait, dom, tzifardaiya, kee-neem, day-var, machis b'choros� Which one's locusts? I think boils or murrain might be more better. Heck, ask Him to send them all. And that pale horsey.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2013 01:16 PM (FNtJ6)

57 Do what I say or I will deem you to have signed up for free train rides to the happy fun don't-call-them-death-camps camps.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 12, 2013 01:16 PM (+H/11)

58 You guys say Obama's s Marxist, but then he's a crony capitalist, but he's also a fascist, and now it's a monarchy. Make up your mind, at least the Left was consistent in labeling Bush a Nazi

Posted by: blue.dot at December 12, 2013 01:17 PM (slETN)

59

Sebelius  walks  into  a  bar  and  orders  whatever. 

Posted by: polynikes at December 12, 2013 01:17 PM (m2CN7)

60

36 -

 

Let's just play with the text here, and see how this goes:

 

 

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Congress Wednesday that the  death  of a private  citizen  should not be equated with losing  that citizen. "I know people have been told their  concept of life  doesn't  necessarily match the Affordable Care Act requirements," she said. "Losing  someone  and being notified that the person  doesn't exist anymore are two very different things."

Posted by: BurtTC at December 12, 2013 01:17 PM (xCw24)

61 "Watching The Five . . Does Tantaros have a lazy eye ?"
==========

Her eye? Could be. I don't know. I'm usually focused like a laser on her legs.

For that matter I'm not even entirely sure that Kimberley Guilfoyle has a head.

Posted by: Kensington at December 12, 2013 01:17 PM (vI8gX)

62 Monarchical Moment is generous.

Merry Xmas

Posted by: 13times at December 12, 2013 01:17 PM (fGPLK)

63 59 Sebelius walks into a bar and orders whatever. Posted by: polynikes at December 12, 2013 05:17 PM (m2CN7) Why the long face? Oh, wait, that's Sarah Jessica Kerry...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2013 01:18 PM (olDqf)

64 Obamacare is replacing those junk-ass fake insurance policies that make you pay a premium.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 12, 2013 01:18 PM (+lsX1)

65
These words from the govt - guidance and requiring - one is not like the other.  But they use them that way.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 12, 2013 01:18 PM (MaP11)

66 When they deem us covered do we kneel and get tapped on the epaulets with a sword? Or do we just get a document with a wax seal and ribbons?

Posted by: Jean at December 12, 2013 01:18 PM (LBUCy)

67 I have to say that I'm not especially sympathetic with the health insurance companies as they realize that this fustercluck is going to saddle them with absolutely enormous financial losses, for care delivered but not paid for.

Because those firms were prime movers behind getting the fusterclick enacted as law. The insurance executives were ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED at the thought of people being forced to purchase their product.

My grandmother used to warn me that I'd have to lie in the bed that I had made.

Well, the insurers shit the bed. They can now lie in the mess until they die horribly of septic pressure sores so far as I am concerned.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2013 01:18 PM (gqT4g)

68

Does Tantaros have a lazy eye ?

 

****

 

 

More importantly, does she have a La-Z-Boy?

 

 

 

 

Recliner?  I hardly knew her.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 01:18 PM (N/Sup)

69 Hey I'm going to try that with my mortgage, like I can pay anytime I want right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 01:18 PM (t3UFN)

70 I'm reminded of Venezuela's forced slashing of big screen TV prices....shortly before the state-owned power grid began to fail. Central planning-- FTW. Now blue.derp can come in to derppity-derppity-derp.

Posted by: --- at December 12, 2013 01:19 PM (MMC8r)

71 I like the term "Pharaoh" someone mentioned above.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2013 01:19 PM (/FnUH)

72 Rule By Decree Just like Camelot where the king orders the exact temperature and when Winter shall promptly end. But not Camelot. Shamelot.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 12, 2013 01:19 PM (YKy5g)

73 Heh.... beat me to it.
And magnificent puppies they are.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2013 05:15 PM (nELVU)

 

while on this topic why does she have a radio show.....

 

hello?? she needs a video feed.

 

nobody can see sweater puppies on the muddafukkan radio

Posted by: pepppep at December 12, 2013 01:19 PM (W6iIX)

74 He is now dictator

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:19 PM (zOTsN)

75 For that matter I'm not even entirely sure that Kimberley Guilfoyle has a head.

Posted by: Kensington at December 12, 2013 05:17 PM (vI8gX)


----


Word.


You that thing shes does, bouncing the foot on her crossed leg up and down continuously????


She does that just for ME.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 12, 2013 01:19 PM (nELVU)

76

Deem?

 

 

 

Damn!

 

 

 

Doom!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 01:19 PM (N/Sup)

77 Well, the insurers shit the bed. They can now lie in the mess until they die horribly of septic pressure sores so far as I am concerned. Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2013 05:18 PM (gqT4g) yeah, ok maybe...but see we are in that same mess with them?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 01:19 PM (t3UFN)

78 Do what I say or I will deem you to have signed up for free train rides to the happy fun don't-call-them-death-camps camps.
-
Extreme weight reduction clinics sounds so much better.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 12, 2013 01:20 PM (XUKZU)

79 And there's still more work to be done -- all those fragged 834s will have to be corrected and reconciled by human intervention before tens of thousands of other people are even noted in an insurers' client list. In my business I used to have extremely high speed equipment and produce run lengths in the millions, but it would still take weeks at hundreds of feet per minute. Human intervention of tens of thousands? Impossible on any timeline that doesn't require years. A lot of people are boned, a lot of insurance companies are going to incur unrecoverable costs, and the MSM will continue to print articles favorable to the administration. SSDD.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at December 12, 2013 01:20 PM (HFPlm)

80 Watching The Five . . Does Tantaros have a lazy eye ?

Posted by: McCool at December 12, 2013 05:09 PM (nCSwS)

 

Shit, Who cares ? MMMM

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 01:20 PM (nTgAI)

81 "For that matter I'm not even entirely sure that Kimberley Guilfoyle has a head."

It's real, and it's spectacular!

Posted by: Kimberly Guilfoyle at December 12, 2013 01:20 PM (gqT4g)

82 This your Pharaoh decrees.

Posted by: Barakhenaten I at December 12, 2013 01:20 PM (bnd9+)

83 It would seem that someone whose coverage was cancelled while s/he was ill contrary to HIPAA, as mentioned in the previous post, would have standing to challenge those parts of the ACA which conflict with that and impair contract rights derived from HIPAA.

Posted by: RS at December 12, 2013 01:21 PM (YAGV/)

84 Back when we had color text here at the ol' Q we could have fun by quoting obama in red text...just like Jesus in the Bible.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 12, 2013 01:21 PM (YKy5g)

85 Well, the insurers shit the bed. They can now lie in the mess until they die horribly of septic pressure sores so far as I am concerned. Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2013 05:18 PM (gqT4g) yeah, ok maybe...but see we are in that same mess with them? At least we are not alone this time like usual.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2013 01:21 PM (FNtJ6)

86 And apparently blue.derp doesn't even understand that fascist = crony capitalist, but then derpderpderp.

Posted by: --- at December 12, 2013 01:21 PM (MMC8r)

87 Clarence has gotten any brighter I see.

Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 12, 2013 01:21 PM (evdj2)

88

All this just to give Tyrone Bigguns a fake insurance policy. Justice.

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at December 12, 2013 01:21 PM (oDCMR)

89 You guys say Obama's s Marxist, but then he's a crony capitalist, but he's also a fascist, and now it's a monarchy. Make up your mind, at least the Left was consistent in labeling Bush a Nazi. That's because the left only hates one political group that crushed their people in the jaws of government. All those other horrible totalitarian governments are either supported or loved by leftists.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 12, 2013 01:21 PM (P7Wsr)

90 It is a wonder my liver has survived this long under Obama.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 12, 2013 01:21 PM (tf9Ne)

91 We deem you healthy enough to not need treatment.

Posted by: United Health Care at December 12, 2013 01:22 PM (29vnO)

92 On Thursday on CNN, Jake Tapper unveiled PolitiFact’s 2013 “Lie of the Year”: President Barack Obama’s promise that “if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan.

This lie was selected by 59 percent of readers polled, and PolitiFact selected it because of its national impact.

Posted by: Frankie Goes To PolitiFact at December 12, 2013 01:22 PM (e8kgV)

93  I like the term "Pharaoh" someone mentioned above.

Posted by: ace at December 12, 2013 05:19 PM (/FnUH)

 

Barakahnaten the boy king

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 01:22 PM (nTgAI)

94 Posted by: blue.dot JEA/occam: urine idiot.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 12, 2013 01:22 PM (YKy5g)

95 Posted by: polynikes at December 12, 2013 05:17 PM (m2CN7)

She only walked into the bar once.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:22 PM (LSDdO)

96 brb, holding back the tide of insurance fuck-ups

Posted by: Barack Hussein Cnut-bama at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (+H/11)

97 I actually do think that Kimberley Guilfoyle's face is glorious, too. She's amazing.

Posted by: Kensington at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (vI8gX)

98 At what point do the insurance companies just throw their hands in the air and say 'Ok, whatever'?

When the insurance company help desk gets a call from a customer can the help desk just say, "Call Health and Human Services."

When the insurance company gets an inquiry from a doctor or hospital who wants to be paid can the insurance company just say, "Call Health and Human Services"

What happens when an insurance company goes bankrupt and stops paying claims?

What happens if an insurance company says, "OK that's it we're done." and goes out of business, locks the office doors, and won't answer the 'phone?"

Posted by: Tatum's Turnip Truck Delivery Service at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (cz9wZ)

99 I wish the GOP would impeach    this POS, or    else come out publicly and say they     don't care about the constitution, because it is pretty much a binary choice at this time.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (O3C36)

100

Marxist, but then he's a crony capitalist, but he's also a fascist, and now it's a monarchy

 

You do know that they all share a common philosophy  in practice right? 

Posted by: polynikes at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (m2CN7)

101 It would seem that someone whose coverage was cancelled while s/he was ill contrary to HIPAA, as mentioned in the previous post, would have standing to challenge those parts of the ACA which conflict with that and impair contract rights derived from HIPAA.

Posted by: RS at December 12, 2013 05:21 PM (YAGV/)


---


What part of "decree" do you not understand???

Posted by: Barackentahten - Phirst Pharoah of America at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (nELVU)

102 ""I know people have been told their health plan doesn't necessarily match the Affordable Care Act requirements," she said. "Losing coverage and being notified that the plan they have doesn't exist anymore are two very different things." Go fuck yourself, Kathleen.

Posted by: Some Rabble Rousers at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (hFL/3)

103 20 When is one of the insurance companies going to sue the shit out of them? When is the House going to impeach him for being a lawless SOB who thinks he is God? Posted by: Vic at December 12, 2013 05:11 PM (T2V/1)g Good questions Vic. Your answers are 1) Never 2)Never After what has happened to the IRS involving the parties and the last thread & myself I see no happy ending to this show

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (HVff2)

104 Our medical futures : http://tinyurl.com/ljo5blf

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (xlX1p)

105 Seriously He getting tips from Venezuela?

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:23 PM (zOTsN)

106 1. Mess everything up. 2. Mess everything up even more "attempting to fix everything that you fucked up." 3. ??? 4. Single Payer and/or Whatever, good enough!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:24 PM (gnLTi)

107 He is being a dictator in the very literal sense. His words--diktats--are become law. He simply dictates the law, and it is enforced.

Posted by: imp at December 12, 2013 01:24 PM (L9AnB)

108 I like the term "Pharaoh" someone mentioned above. Posted by: ace at December 12, 2013 05:19 PM (/FnUH) Barakahnaten the boy king Obama Claus

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2013 01:24 PM (FNtJ6)

109 The Government is becoming increasingly autocratic and authoritarian.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:24 PM (gnLTi)

110

Hey, Uh, John Boner is as conservative as anyone up there, he's really is a conservative, big time.

He's out there helpin the little guy, fightin for mericans, and things like that.


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunnies at December 12, 2013 01:24 PM (xggaJ)

111 (A Great Leap) Forward!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (gnLTi)

112 "yeah, ok maybe...but see we are in that same mess with them?"

We, kemosabe?

I'm healthy. I have great genes. I don't take or need any medication or ongoing treatment. I have good and cautious life habits. I have cash on hand. I'm aware of my options as a medical tourist abroad. I've pre-opted-out from this whole mess.

The insurance companies can auger in from Obamacare, disintegrate completely, leave a giant smoking hole in the ground, and it really won't affect my life very much at all. Other than possibly having to go pay cash to the doc to get fixed up after I prolapse myself from laughing.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (gqT4g)

113 Pharaoh is a good name for obama, he looks an awful lot like King Tut, and I don't mean that in a good way...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (9+ccr)

114 Doesn't Federal law already mandate that all people who present to emergency rooms must be treated until stable, regardless of insurance status, when they can be moved to a charity hospital?  That's what will be in effect on January 1, just for the whole fucking country, rather than just the uninsured.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (TM1p8)

115 When the insurance company help desk gets a call from a customer can the help desk just say, "Call Health and Human Services." The correct verbiage is "Please refer that question to Health and Human Services."

Posted by: Jay "Big Heap Liar" Carney[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (P7Wsr)

116 I have to say that I'm not especially sympathetic with the health insurance companies as they realize that this fustercluck is going to saddle them with absolutely enormous financial losses, for care delivered but not paid for.

I don't see them taking big financial losses.  The opposite is more likely.

Sure, they have to cover birth control pills and other stuff now, but does that really make up for the vastly higher premiums and deductibles?  I don't think so.

They also get some new, government subsidized enrollees and financial bailout guarantees.  Because Too Big To Fail.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (SY2Kh)

117 HIPAA has no private right of action.

Posted by: imp at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (L9AnB)

118 Not all of these companies have shareholders, but a lot of them do and I can't imagine that they won't be getting sued left and right if they start putting the administration's political fortunes ahead of the fiduciary duty to the shareholders by paying out claims they are not legally obligated to pay.



Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (ab876)

119 Seriously


He getting tips from Venezuela?

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 05:23 PM (zOTsN)

 

 

nope, da' Pharoh don't speak Venezeulian OR Austrian!

 

he does talk sh*t alot of the time though.

Posted by: pepppep at December 12, 2013 01:25 PM (W6iIX)

120 I like the term "Pharaoh" someone mentioned above.

Apophis.

Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 12, 2013 01:26 PM (evdj2)

121 Hey!  Hold on there..
Everyone is covered!  Since it is still the open enrollment period, you are covered no matter what!

But wait.. Why not just let people show up at a doctor or hospital and we'll pay for it out of the general fund?  We can call it.. oh, I don't know.. Single Payer!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 12, 2013 01:26 PM (f9c2L)

122 The law is whatever he says it is A country of men, not laws He is the guy the framers were worried about

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:26 PM (zOTsN)

123

He's a  Marxist, but then he's a crony capitalist, but he's also a fascist, and now it's a monarchy

 

*****

 

 

Damn, I guess   he's just an overachiever.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 01:26 PM (N/Sup)

124 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Sort of at work at December 12, 2013 01:27 PM (PYAXX)

125 Comeon, blue.derp, impress us some more with that edjumicatin' you got.

Posted by: --- at December 12, 2013 01:27 PM (MMC8r)

126 To be fair, Obama might not really know all that much about what HHS is up to. Taking photos of yourself is hard work. As is being bossed around by your wife.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:27 PM (gnLTi)

127 He is the guy the framers were worried about And we've been framed....

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 12, 2013 01:27 PM (9+ccr)

128 You know, that Republic was nice while it lasted. Would have been nice if more people had taken it seriously.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Sort of at work at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (PYAXX)

129 Not all of these companies have shareholders, but a lot of them do and I can't imagine that they won't be getting sued left and right if they start putting the administration's political fortunes ahead of the fiduciary duty to the shareholders by paying out claims they are not legally obligated to pay.



Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 12, 2013 05:25 PM (ab876)


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**cough cough**

Posted by: GM Bondholders at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (nELVU)

130 Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2013 05:25 PM (gqT4g)

A rectal prolapse is no laughing matter.

Oh. You found that out.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (LSDdO)

131 The Deemocrat Party.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (gnLTi)

132 See, all he had to do was make a divine decree and all had free healthcare! Simple. Why are you racist wingnuts fighting it then?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (5M2+1)

133 He is above the law, about government. He is an Imam. His proclamations are law.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (g1DWB)

134 Dottie just got home from class He's getting a snack right now

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (zOTsN)

135 The Aristocrats!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (gnLTi)

136 "When Obama and his loyalists suddenly turn extremely nationalistic, that when you should start to worry. Until then, not so much.

Posted by: Tatum's Turnip Truck Delivery Service at December 12, 2013 05:14 PM (cz9wZ)"



Oh, they are 'nationalistic', just nationalistic about an America that doesn't exist yet, but will when people like YOU are gone. The First Multicultural Reich is their objective. No 'old school' people need apply.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 12, 2013 01:28 PM (ab876)

137 He is the guy the framers were worried about
-
Bunch of stupid farmers, what the hell did they know?

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 12, 2013 01:29 PM (XUKZU)

138 I wish the GOP would impeach this POS, or else come out publicly and say they don't care about the constitution, because it is pretty much a binary choice at this time.

Politically that would be a stupid thing to do at this time.

Rather than explain why (again), I'll simply ask you to think about how that would play out.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 12, 2013 01:29 PM (SY2Kh)

139

I'm waiting for Obama to simply declare that reality is guilty of lese majeste.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at December 12, 2013 01:29 PM (d7H2D)

140 Damn, I guess he's just an overachiever. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
........
He's too brillian to be an overachiever!

Posted by: ValJar at December 12, 2013 01:29 PM (f9c2L)

141 Ya know? It occurs to me we could get out of this whole mess just by having the Federal Reserve print more money; just have the Federal government pay for everything for everybody.


Posted by: Tatum's Turnip Truck Delivery Service at December 12, 2013 01:30 PM (cz9wZ)

142 If I learned one thing before I bailed on the architecture program : Architects have no respect for the framers.

Posted by: garrett at December 12, 2013 01:30 PM (bnd9+)

143 Q. Why does Obama hate The Aristocats? A. Because dogs are much, much tastier.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:30 PM (gnLTi)

144 So there's that.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:30 PM (gnLTi)

145 A republic, if you can keep it.

Posted by: Zombie Ben Franklin at December 12, 2013 01:30 PM (A0sHn)

146

If I had a son, he'd look like that fake sign language schizophrenic.

 

 

Posted by: Pharoah TFG at December 12, 2013 01:31 PM (nCSwS)

147 Embrace the suck, serfdom.

-signed king of everthin - SCOAMF

Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 01:31 PM (aUQgu)

148 See, all he had to do was make a divine decree and all had free healthcare! Simple. Why are you racist wingnuts fighting it then? At this point what leftist scheme can't he decree law? What about seizing farms? Is that the hill the GOP would die on? Because they sure didn't care about Kelo. They also didn't care about people pretending to be farmers to get Pigford settlements. What IS the GOP willing to fight?

Posted by: Jay at December 12, 2013 01:31 PM (P7Wsr)

149 L'etats c'est moi

Posted by: Baracuis' XIV at December 12, 2013 01:32 PM (LSDdO)

150 "Losing coverage and being notified that the plan they have doesn't exist anymore are two very different things." O_o? LOLWUT?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Sort of at work at December 12, 2013 01:32 PM (PYAXX)

151 I hereby copy write my new term for (0) Obamullah.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 01:32 PM (5M2+1)

152 What IS the GOP willing to fight? The Tea Party.

Posted by: --- at December 12, 2013 01:32 PM (MMC8r)

153 "I actually do think that Kimberley Guilfoyle's face is glorious, too. She's amazing."

Here's a surefire way to get rid of that troublesome KG infatuation: remind yourself that she spent years fucking uber-douchebag lefty Gavin Newsom -- sleazy cokehead, former mayor of Scum Scamfrisco, current amnesty-cheerleading lieutenant governor of Commiefornia, former husband of Guilfoyle.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2013 01:32 PM (gqT4g)

154 I want you to come on, come on, come on, come on and take it,
Take it!
Take another little piece of my mind now, baby!

Posted by: LIVs and the Holding Company at December 12, 2013 01:32 PM (XUKZU)

155 I feel like fake schizophrenic is our POTUS

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:33 PM (zOTsN)

156 See the scowl on by beautiful Nubian bride !! 

Posted by: Pharoah TFG at December 12, 2013 01:33 PM (nCSwS)

157 "Evil happens when good men stand by and do nothing"

Posted by: Iblis at December 12, 2013 01:34 PM (9221z)

158 What IS the GOP willing to fight? Posted by: Jay at December 12, 2013 05:31 PM Each other.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 01:34 PM (5M2+1)

159 I feel like fake schizophrenic is our POTUS We should be so lucky.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Sort of at work at December 12, 2013 01:34 PM (PYAXX)

160
Just to make sure it is said in this thread, obama and HHS do not have the legal authority to do this.

Now that that is over, it cracks me up how totally inexperienced in business these dumbasses are:  How in the world can the insurer pay an outside the network doctor when the prices will of course vary and the premiums are based on in-network fees.  and deductibles.  and co-pays.?????

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 12, 2013 01:34 PM (MaP11)

161 Getting raped and getting fucked without your  consent  are two  very   different things.

Posted by: polynikes at December 12, 2013 01:34 PM (m2CN7)

162 "86 And apparently blue.derp doesn't even understand that fascist = crony capitalist, but then derpderpderp.

Posted by: --- at December 12, 2013 05:21 PM (MMC8r)"



Yes, apparently some people are so superficial that you can do everything you possibly can get away with out of the fascist playbook and add some new plays to it when the opportunities present themselves, but if you don't EXPLICITLY state that you are taking your inspiration from Benito Mussolini himself, then you can't possibly be a fascist. Yet, on the flip side, if you call yourself a libertarian and have a platform of direct opposition to fascism, these same idiots will call you a 'fascist'. It's truly something to behold.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 12, 2013 01:34 PM (ab876)

163 Here's a surefire way to get rid of that troublesome KG infatuation: remind yourself that she spent years fucking uber-douchebag lefty Gavin Newsom -- sleazy cokehead, former mayor of Scum Scamfrisco, current amnesty-cheerleading lieutenant governor of Commiefornia, former husband of Guilfoyle.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2013 05:32 PM (gqT4g)

 

So.......

 

That mean she is single?

 

 

Posted by: That Moron at December 12, 2013 01:35 PM (W6iIX)

164 Evil CONTINUES to happen when good men stand by and do nothing.

Good men can't prevent evil. Only counteract it and remove it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 12, 2013 01:35 PM (LSDdO)

165 148 [jay]

GOP will fight for the right to paawww-teeee!

Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 01:35 PM (aUQgu)

166 Now that that is over, it cracks me up how totally inexperienced in business these dumbasses are: How in the world can the insurer pay an outside the network doctor when the prices will of course vary and the premiums are based on in-network fees. and deductibles. and co-pays.????? Actually, I think they know (and are counting) on it. Remember- they want single payer. The fastest way to get that is to destroy private insurance and say, "Oh, we'll save you!!!"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Sort of at work at December 12, 2013 01:35 PM (PYAXX)

167 GOP will fight for the right to paawww-teeee! Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 05:35 PM ..........Hey, that's our job.

Posted by: The Beastie Boys at December 12, 2013 01:36 PM (5M2+1)

168

King Tut (King Tut)


Now when he was a young man,


He never thought he'd see


People stand in line to see the boy king.

 


(King Tut) How'd you get so funky?


(Funky Tut) Did you do the monkey?


Born in Arizona,

Moved to Babylonia (king Tut).

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 01:36 PM (nTgAI)

169 Anyone get the feeling we are in the People's Temple in Guyana and the Koolaid is being prepared? I'm thinking a second American Revolution is way over due.

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at December 12, 2013 01:36 PM (oDCMR)

170

Figures-

 

The Pharaoh  has been running a pyramid scheme.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 01:37 PM (N/Sup)

171 So, this is the precedent, and no one has to follow any law ever again, right?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 12, 2013 01:37 PM (xmcEQ)

172 tut...tut

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 01:37 PM (N/Sup)

173 Isn't this cloward piven Crush the system with demand He intended this It's working perfectly

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:37 PM (zOTsN)

174 "170 Figures- The Pharaoh has been running a pyramid scheme. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 05:37 PM (N/Sup)" Heh. On the other hand, the Pharaohs actually built stuff. Obama merely ruins.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:38 PM (gnLTi)

175 As bad as this is, it still won't save Barry. The House had hearings today with a bunch of docs who were describing the chaos to come when people try to use their newly minted Obaminsurance. There won't be anyway for Obama to decree that cluster out of existence.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2013 01:38 PM (g1DWB)

176
.... shut up Pharoh.

Let them eat CAKE!!!

Posted by: Moochelle Antoinette at December 12, 2013 01:38 PM (nELVU)

177

Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2013 05:32 PM (gqT4g

 

Hell that would eliminate a majority of women on the market if I held them to that standard.   Think of the women you know and I would bet 8 out of 10 were involved with a  huge  douchebag at one time in their  life.   

 

Women are drawn to douchebags like flies on Obama.   

Posted by: polynikes at December 12, 2013 01:38 PM (m2CN7)

178 Obamullah is there anything he can't do? Oceans,,,receded and healed, we're loved around the world, no wars, good economy, good jobs, good housing market, no debt and now free awesome healthcare for all! Suck it wingers!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 01:39 PM (5M2+1)

179 169 [Chaos]

Koolaid has to be FDA compliant.....buying the southern states time to rise again.

Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 01:39 PM (aUQgu)

180 See the scowl on by beautiful Nubian bride !! What's the fascination with Nubia? It was a rinky-dink military force that one time won an archery battle with some Romans. The Nubian mercenaries wandered around killing so many of their own people they weakened their country and fell to the Kingdom of Aksum around 350 AD.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 12, 2013 01:40 PM (P7Wsr)

181 Elections have consequences.
 
Prepare your squeakhole for the happiness.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at December 12, 2013 01:40 PM (cHZB7)

182 Heh. On the other hand, the Pharaohs actually built stuff. Obama merely ruins.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 05:38 PM (gnLTi)

 

Seems he has inspired the plagues to be brought upon us.

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 01:40 PM (nTgAI)

183 He's Anthony Fremont -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_Good_Life_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29

Posted by: --- at December 12, 2013 01:42 PM (MMC8r)

184 Sooo.... we have Federal Officials suggesting to companies, that they do not follow STATE law. I'm not even sure what law that would break... Conspiracy? Rico? Or.... TREASON? As each State is guaranteed a Republican Form of Government by the Constitution?

Posted by: R of 13 at December 12, 2013 01:42 PM (lZBBB)

185 Obama? Yalda Bahut "son of chaos" Ask him? He'll say he's top god himself. After all, that's what he perceives in his mirror. Only himself. By their fruits...demiurge inhibit wholeness, prevent wellbeing.

Posted by: panzernashorn at December 12, 2013 01:42 PM (MhA4j)

186 "180 See the scowl on by beautiful Nubian bride !! What's the fascination with Nubia? It was a rinky-dink military force that one time won an archery battle with some Romans. The Nubian mercenaries wandered around killing so many of their own people they weakened their country and fell to the Kingdom of Aksum around 350 AD. Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2013 05:40 PM (P7Wsr)" Nubian == extremely tanned

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:42 PM (gnLTi)

187 the connubial bed, a torrid shed

Posted by: In my dreams I'm Kenny from South Park at December 12, 2013 01:43 PM (R6JT1)

188 Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 05:39 PM (5M2+1) He also not only stopped, but apparently reversed Global Warming!!!

Posted by: Obamaist at December 12, 2013 01:43 PM (lZBBB)

189 "182 Heh. On the other hand, the Pharaohs actually built stuff. Obama merely ruins. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 05:38 PM (gnLTi) Seems he has inspired the plagues to be broughtupon us. Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 05:40 PM (nTgAI)" Heh.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:44 PM (gnLTi)

190

I'm not too worried about     the press coverage   compared to losing the rule of law

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 12, 2013 01:44 PM (O3C36)

191 I hereby declare the Chicago Cubs the 2014 World Series Champs suck it peons

Posted by: King Baracass I at December 12, 2013 01:45 PM (JFrBt)

192 Just to make sure it is said in this thread, obama and HHS do not have the legal authority to do this.

IRS: "Nice insurance company you got there...be a real shame if something were to happen to it."

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 12, 2013 01:45 PM (UVadJ)

193 Another thing about this current version of "Deem and Pass." What happens on Jan 16 when those payments still haven't been received? The insurers incur huge costs requesting refund from providers they've paid for non-existent policies, and providers lose millions (billions?) of dollars for procedures that they'll never see.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Sort of at work at December 12, 2013 01:45 PM (PYAXX)

194 Yep. It really is this ugly, folks.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 12, 2013 01:45 PM (P1qPX)

195 Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.

Posted by: Obamandius at December 12, 2013 01:45 PM (A0sHn)

196 "188 Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 05:39 PM (5M2+1) He also not only stopped, but apparently reversed Global Warming!!! Posted by: Obamaist at December 12, 2013 05:43 PM (lZBBB)" Obama is bringing about "Climate Progress."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:45 PM (gnLTi)

197 Bad boys, bad boys
Whatcha gonna do
When they come for you


Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 01:46 PM (aUQgu)

198 The populace is largely unaware of the loss of the rule of law because of the press coverage

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:46 PM (zOTsN)

199 (King Tut) How'd you get so funky? (Funky Tut) Did you do the monkey? Born in Arizona, Moved to Babylonia (king Tut). Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 05:36 PM (nTgAI) May I suggest the last two lines should be... Born in Hawaiuh Moved to Indonesia... Funky Tut...

Posted by: Obamaist at December 12, 2013 01:46 PM (lZBBB)

200 Why do people need to sign up at all? 'Pre-existing condition,' bitches.

Posted by: --- at December 12, 2013 01:46 PM (MMC8r)

201 What happens when an insurance company goes bankrupt and stops paying claims? What happens if an insurance company says, "OK that's it we're done." and goes out of business, locks the office doors, and won't answer the 'phone?" Posted by: Tatum's Turnip Truck Delivery Service at December 12, 2013 05:23 PM (cz9wZ) ___________ What happens? The liberal wet dream comes true. Single payer happens.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2013 01:46 PM (0LHZx)

202 He also not only stopped, but apparently reversed Global Warming!!! Posted by: Obamaist at December 12, 2013 05:43 PM ...........I know, it was 14 below zero at my house last night. That rat fuck.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 01:46 PM (5M2+1)

203 I pity you fools - BA Barackus

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 01:47 PM (nTgAI)

204

I'm waiting for the whistle to blow so I can slide down by brontosaurus  excavator  and yabadabadooa   out of here.  

 

I'm tired from a long day of work on the interwebz. 

Posted by: polynikes at December 12, 2013 01:47 PM (m2CN7)

205 This will all come to a very rocky halt in February. It's just not a very low-stress time to be an 834 subject matter expert. Plus, I got the "mom has cancer' call today. Ahhhh, PP/ACFail.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 12, 2013 01:47 PM (P1qPX)

206 Alright... I'm headed home. Will tonight be the night I take up drinking? Probably not, but it's tempting.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Sort of at work at December 12, 2013 01:47 PM (PYAXX)

207 Maybe, ummm, nobody will get sick next year?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 12, 2013 01:47 PM (ZPrif)

208 I also declare the Green Bay Packers to be renamed the Wisconsin Inbred Cheese Eating Assholes

Posted by: King Baracass I at December 12, 2013 01:48 PM (JFrBt)

209 "195 Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posted by: Obamandius at December 12, 2013 05:45 PM (A0sHn)" Obamandius, Queen of Queens

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:48 PM (gnLTi)

210 IRS: "Nice insurance company you got there...be a real shame if something were to happen to it." So doesn't a large insurance company have enough lawyers on staff to make even a large IRS department sweat if their hackles are raised?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 12, 2013 01:48 PM (P7Wsr)

211 So if I understand this correctly....I should sign up for a policy, go get every medical procedure I can get done teh 1st week of Jan....and just not pay my premium. Hmmm....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2013 01:48 PM (0LHZx)

212 201 What happens when an insurance company goes bankrupt and stops paying claims? What happens if an insurance company says, "OK that's it we're done." and goes out of business, locks the office doors, and won't answer the 'phone?" Posted by: Tatum's Turnip Truck Delivery Service at December 12, 2013 05:23 PM (cz9wZ) ___________ What happens? The liberal wet dream comes true. Single payer happens. --- Not just single payer. The government is looking for ways to get their hands on the investments held by the insurance companies, by law, to pay claims.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 12, 2013 01:48 PM (/Crba)

213 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Sort of at work at December 12, 2013 05:45 PM (PYAXX) Yup..... Just left one of my clients.... Medical complex with 9 Doctors... they were doing interviews for more Back Office Admin types, to be ready for the Insurance mess....

Posted by: R of i at December 12, 2013 01:48 PM (lZBBB)

214 206 Will tonight be the night I take up drinking? I'm pretty sure that my non-drinker status got flushed for tonight. Time will tell...sigh.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 12, 2013 01:48 PM (P1qPX)

215 Im sorry akula. Prayers for your mom

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:49 PM (zOTsN)

216 The insurance companies should have said , hey you are the one who did this and offer a a hearty fuck you to Obamullah. But not wanting thugs to show up at their corporate HQ it looks like they are going to cave and extend the deadline. What an absolute load of shit.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 01:49 PM (5M2+1)

217 There won't be anyway for Obama to decree that cluster out of existence.

I'm just curious what the next squirrel will be.

Amnesty?  They've been talking about it for years and the furor over the failed Senate bill has long died.

Gun control?  Not in an election year.

Iran?  Another clusterfuck.

Income inequality?  That white whale ain't never going to be caught.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 12, 2013 01:49 PM (SY2Kh)

218 The insurance companies will get bailed out. Of course, sooner or later the feds will attack them for breaking the law (!!!) and demand shakedown money. J P Morgan style. It's Chicago on steroids. Third world stuff.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 12, 2013 01:49 PM (dfYL9)

219 208 I also declare the Green Bay Packers to be renamed the Wisconsin Inbred Cheese Eating Assholes Posted by: King Baracass I at December 12, 2013 05:48 PM (JFrBt) And I deem that the RAIDERS win the SuperBowl!!!

Posted by: R of i at December 12, 2013 01:49 PM (lZBBB)

220 So doesn't a large insurance company have enough lawyers on staff to make even a large IRS department sweat if their hackles are raised? Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2013 05:48 PM (P7Wsr) In a pissing contest with the Justice Department, it is no contest. After all that is your money and my money they are spending---OPM--Other Peoples Money

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 01:50 PM (t3UFN)

221

Buried with a donkey

 

He's my favorite honkey

 

Funky Tut

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 01:50 PM (nTgAI)

222 “I am sorry Secretary Kerry, Iran is not going to be put into a situation based on the sorry-assed assurances your lying President of the 'Great Satan' may have given me”

Posted by: Frankie Goes To State at December 12, 2013 01:50 PM (e8kgV)

223 Third world stuff

Posted by: Thunderb at December 12, 2013 01:50 PM (zOTsN)

224 finally I declare kate upton will be the personal slave to NAVYCOPJOE and her uniform will consist of latex and stockings

Posted by: King Baracass I at December 12, 2013 01:51 PM (JFrBt)

225
The one thing I slightly feel good about in a weird sort of way is I don't think single payer can happen....These doofuses can't even get a website to work, how are they going to coordinate payment of millions of transactions for tens of thousands of doctors and even more pharmacies.

Medical care would simply just stop... except for cash payers.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 12, 2013 01:51 PM (MaP11)

226 Income inequality? That white whale ain't never going to be caught.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 12, 2013 05:49 PM (SY2Kh)

 

Call me Ishmael

Posted by: Orange John B at December 12, 2013 01:51 PM (nTgAI)

227 .These doofuses can't even get a website to work, how are they going to coordinate payment of millions of transactions for tens of thousands of doctors and even more pharmacies. Medical care would simply just stop... except for cash payers. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 12, 2013 05:51 PM (MaP11) Yeah, and and?

Posted by: The US Gov at December 12, 2013 01:52 PM (t3UFN)

228 215 Prayers for your mom Much appreciated. She's a DCIS survivor, and this was a trip to the Dermatologist that went very, very wrong...sigh. There are a lot of fingers crossed and many prayers and well wishes being sent in her direction. A chunk of me wants to jump on a plane, but the project plan for attempting to salvage this exchange just doesn't permit that....sigh.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 12, 2013 01:52 PM (P1qPX)

229 He's a complete Donkey,...... Is only half Honkey....King Putt

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 01:52 PM (5M2+1)

230 I'm just curious what the next squirrel will be. I'm waiting for Obama to declare that world hunger can be stopped this year. All it'll take is to ramp up production on farms aaaaand for the government to "direct" farmers efforts and "donations".

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 12, 2013 01:52 PM (P7Wsr)

231 It could be worse, you could live in Russia : http://tinyurl.com/cu263qe

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 12, 2013 01:52 PM (xlX1p)

232

Now when he was a young man

He never thought he'd see

People stand in line to see the Boy King

 

(King Putt) How'd you get so funky?

(Funky Putt) Did you do the monkey?

Born in Kisumu

Moved to Honolulu (King Putt)

 

Posted by: S. Martin at December 12, 2013 01:53 PM (wAQA5)

233 HMO's depend on people getting so frustrated that they just give up and die. That would be the Gov Single Payor approach also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 01:53 PM (t3UFN)

234 And I deem that the RAIDERS win the SuperBowl!!! Got my vote.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 12, 2013 01:53 PM (P1qPX)

235 Searching around for concierge practices........just in case there are docs who just want to practice medicine

Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 01:53 PM (aUQgu)

236

King Putt

 

3 Putt

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 12, 2013 01:54 PM (nTgAI)

237 >>I'm just curious what the next squirrel will be. I think they are just about out of squirrels. I really don't think they are prepared for what happens when millions and millions of people find out they no longer have access to their doctor. Thats a deeply personal relationship for most people and they are breaking it after swearing they wouldn't. We're heading into uncharted waters.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 12, 2013 01:54 PM (g1DWB)

238

Sure, we'll just keep moving the goal posts until there is a bail in by the wealthy ie anyone who had a net positive income for a tax year.

 

It's just inevitable now.   Get your $ out of the system.  Cash+PM+Firearms+ammo+food+water.

 

It's a'comin' and it's gonna hurt.

Posted by: havildar major at December 12, 2013 01:54 PM (kduZC)

239 So doesn't a large insurance company have enough lawyers on staff to make even a large IRS department sweat if their hackles are raised?

Not if they decided to do a top-to-bottom full audit, and audit the executives as well. 

If there's any hint of screwy behaviors, and there will be, it can get ugly.  People who had claims denied for BS reasons will come crawling out of the woodwork to tell their stories.

I've seen how BCBS south FL and Prudential Healthcare worked from the inside on contract jobs.  A full blown IRS audit would crush their staff trying to pull information together.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 12, 2013 01:55 PM (UVadJ)

240 *sob*

Posted by: john Boehner at December 12, 2013 01:55 PM (cHZB7)

241

What happens? The liberal wet dream comes true.

Single payer happens.

 

*****

 

 

Okay, I know this  "single payer is the ultimate goal"  is a popular meme around here, but I'm going to make a prediction.  The American psyche will not accept single payer,  even if it is made the law of the land.   Whether on an intellectual level or an emotional level, it will not be accepted.   The British were just emerging from  WWII when the National Health Service was founded.  The populace was accustomed to obeying governmental mandates for "the greater good".  They were accustomed to shortages and waiting lists and doing without.  They were accustomed to deferring to experts or authority.  The United States  in 2013  is NOT Great Britain in the early 1950's.   Both consumers and providers will find ingenious work-arounds to single payer.    Mark my words.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 01:55 PM (N/Sup)

242
BTW - it looks like the House is going to vote tonight on the Ryan Anschluss.  Before the wrong people can read, analyze and comment on the bill, with apparently limited debate.

Republicans folks.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2013 01:56 PM (kdS6q)

243 The one thing I slightly feel good about in a weird sort of way is I don't think single payer can happen....These doofuses can't even get a website to work, how are they going to coordinate payment of millions of transactions for tens of thousands of doctors and even more pharmacies. Medical care would simply just stop... except for cash payers. That's what I've been saying. Single Payer would have to be in place as "Plan B". They have no plan b.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 12, 2013 01:56 PM (FNtJ6)

244 Geeb I'm slow typing.  Only got beat 2 or 3 times.

Posted by: S. Martin at December 12, 2013 01:56 PM (wAQA5)

245 It's a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at December 12, 2013 01:56 PM (cHZB7)

246 how are they going to coordinate payment of millions of
transactions for tens of thousands of doctors and even more pharmacies.

Easily if you're willing to tolerate high levels of fraud.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 12, 2013 01:56 PM (UVadJ)

247 Nice insurance company you got over there,be a shame if anything happens to it. The Obama administration

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2013 01:56 PM (zqvg6)

248 "225 The one thing I slightly feel good about in a weird sort of way is I don't think single payer can happen....These doofuses can't even get a website to work, how are they going to coordinate payment of millions of transactions for tens of thousands of doctors and even more pharmacies. Medical care would simply just stop... except for cash payers. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 12, 2013 05:51 PM (MaP11)" They don't particularly care about how efficient it will be or how well it will work. They just want power. Power for power's sake. And to h*ll with everyone else.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 01:56 PM (gnLTi)

249 What happens? The liberal wet dream comes true.

Single payer happens.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2013 05:46 PM (0LHZx)

===

This might be the case if the vast majority of the public weren't now exposed to the incompetence that is the Obamacare roll-out. People are going to be as interested in theoretical arguments about the virtues of single payer as they are in being served barbecued skunk at a 4th of July party. No one with half a brain gives a shit that 60 years ago, some prime minister of England set up some system that people over there seem to like and so therefore we should do the same thing here. Way too fuckin' risky.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 12, 2013 01:56 PM (ab876)

250 Sir, we've had reports of massive icebergs ahead......."Why do you clingers always worry about a little ice. Full steam ahead!!!" "I am retiring to my state room to sleep now, I shall take breakfast at 8:30". That is all.

Posted by: Captain Baracka Smith at December 12, 2013 01:57 PM (5M2+1)

251 Remember, NEVER let a crises go to waste...

Posted by: Democrat Statergeryist at December 12, 2013 01:57 PM (lZBBB)

252 244 I've been informed by my betters that it's a good deal and I should just shut up.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2013 01:58 PM (zqvg6)

253 If you like your premiums....
 
Insurers, you fucked up. You trusted me.

Posted by: King Barky The First at December 12, 2013 01:58 PM (cHZB7)

254 North Korea on Friday announced the execution of Kim Jong Un's uncle, calling the leader's former mentor a traitor who tried to overthrow the state. The announcement came only days after Pyongyang announced through state media that Jang Song Thaek -- long considered the country's No. 2 power -- had been removed from all his posts because of allegations of corruption, drug use, gambling, womanizing and leading a "dissolute and depraved life." The state news agency KCNA said a tribunal examined Jang's crimes, including "attempting to overthrow the state by all sorts of intrigues and despicable methods with a wild ambition to grab the supreme power of our party and state." The report called him "a traitor to the nation" and "worse than a dog." Well I guess it could be worse, we could all live in North Korea?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 01:58 PM (t3UFN)

255 Single payer doesn't work when that payer is dead-ass broke, someone should point that out to them.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 12, 2013 01:59 PM (ZshNr)

256
So doesn't a large insurance company have enough lawyers on staff to
make even a large IRS department sweat if their hackles are raised?




Sort of doesn't matter.  Companies are reluctant to sue their customers or vendors because the possible gain is almost always less than the lost business. That goes double when the government is the deadbeat.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 12, 2013 01:59 PM (kdS6q)

257 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 05:55 PM (N/Sup) So what will the American populace do if they don't like Obama shoving single payer down our throat? He has pushed, and pushed... and truthfully we have done nothing... so he will push again... Until.... Jefferson...

Posted by: R of 13 at December 12, 2013 01:59 PM (lZBBB)

258 "231 I'm just curious what the next squirrel will be. I'm waiting for Obama to declare that world hunger can be stopped this year. All it'll take is to ramp up production on farms aaaaand for the government to "direct" farmers efforts and "donations". Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2013 05:52 PM (P7Wsr)" Leftists have had a lot of success in this regard in the past.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 02:00 PM (gnLTi)

259 At least his uncle never drove drunk.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 12, 2013 02:00 PM (ZshNr)

260 252 Sir, we've had reports of massive icebergs ahead......."Why do you clingers always worry about a little ice. Full steam ahead!!!" "I am retiring to my state room to sleep now, I shall take breakfast at 8:30". That is all. --- Jugears McFuckstick is a little closer to Zapp Brannigan from Futurama, who decided to change the course of the starship Titanic to slalom a bunch of black holes rather than take the safe path provided by his competent and abused assistant Kif.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 12, 2013 02:00 PM (/Crba)

261 Prayers to you and your mom, akula51.

Posted by: jeannebodine at December 12, 2013 02:01 PM (2LJqa)

262 akula, prayers for your mom and you.


And, as always, fuck cancer.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 12, 2013 02:01 PM (Gk3SS)

263 Posted by: bonhomme at December 12, 2013 05:52 PM (P7Wsr)" Yes, we have declared a WAR on Hunger... so we are bombing all the Farms that do not follow our guidance...

Posted by: Obama's Pentagon at December 12, 2013 02:02 PM (lZBBB)

264 Way too fuckin' risky. Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 12, 2013 05:56 PM (ab876) These crooked bastards don't believe in risk. If they had we wouldn't see fast & furious, Benghazi, etc, etc.....

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 12, 2013 02:02 PM (HVff2)

265 256    Sum Ting Wong

Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 02:02 PM (aUQgu)

266 Thank you again, all...

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 12, 2013 02:02 PM (P1qPX)

267 268 256 Sum Ting Wong --- Ho Li Fuk

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 12, 2013 02:02 PM (/Crba)

268 The Piecemeal Prize for Tyranny

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Done Christmas Shopping!!! at December 12, 2013 02:03 PM (IXrOn)

269 At least his uncle never drove drunk. Posted by: Lincolntf at December 12, 2013 06:00 PM ..Uncle, what uncle? Never heard of the guy.

Posted by: Barack Obamma at December 12, 2013 02:03 PM (5M2+1)

270 Tinfoil shares just went up...

"The health director who approved the release of President ObamaÂ’s birth certificate has died in a plane crash, Hawaiian officials said Thursday.

Loretta Fuddy died after the Cessna Grand Caravan aircraft she was travelling on went down shortly after leaving Kalaupapa Airport at around 3:15 p.m. local time (10:15 a.m. ET) on Wednesday.

The other eight people on board were rescued, Richard Schuman, president of Makani Kai Air, told NBC News early Thursday, adding that that there was no indication as to why the plane had crashed..."

http://tinyurl.com/kh5d8vm

Posted by: B at December 12, 2013 02:04 PM (6iEQd)

271 Single-payer, baby. And not by congressional vote, either. By "Executive Order." Everything is leading up to that moment. The Big Throw of the Dice. Dems will DARE the GOP to impeach Obama over his EO "deeming" single-payer. They'll time the order precisely -- sometime in 2015 I predict. Not quite enough time for impeachment to get into gear and seem worthwhile -- but still enough time for the EO to stick.

Posted by: zombie at December 12, 2013 02:04 PM (+cx5n)

272 Akula:  Terrible news.  Prayers for a fast and sure recovery.

Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 02:04 PM (aUQgu)

273 As they drop to their knees in need of help from - private and corporate America. Well, well, well... The Three Stooges of Government at Work.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Done Christmas Shopping!!! at December 12, 2013 02:04 PM (IXrOn)

274 How can you get single payer without congress a) authorizing massive tax increases and massive alteration of exisitng law regardless of obamas seemingly endless dictates. And b) nationalizing all hospitals and pseudo enslaving the medical profession. I just think obama is an agent of chaos who doesn't have a clue as to what the fuck he is doing.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 12, 2013 02:05 PM (ihCPW)

275 Sir, we've had reports of massive icebergs ahead......."Why do you clingers always worry about a little ice. Full steam ahead!!!" "I am retiring to my state room to sleep now, I shall take breakfast at 8:30". That is all.

Posted by: Captain Baracka Smith at December 12, 2013 05:57 PM (5M2+1)


Too funny. A friend sent me a pic of obama's head photo shopped onto Kirk's body sitting in his captains chair on the bridge of the enterprise, and he's looking at spock and says "Nooo, I think I'll stick with my plan and smash into the sun while firing all phaser banks"

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 12, 2013 02:06 PM (FMbng)

276 Tomorrow there will be a King's edict instructing military and police officers to pillage flyover country and return the spoils to the coasts for "redistribution". Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at December 12, 2013 05:51 PM (tWmgi) If we find out that members of TFG's administration are having meetings with gubmint employees in Cyprus, we'll know that they're learning how to pillage flyover country bank accounts.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 12, 2013 02:07 PM (BXnWz)

277 And so it begins................From Rueters. Aetna Inc, which is selling health insurance on exchanges, or marketplaces, in more than a dozen states, will allow consumers to pay premiums as late as January 8. The Connecticut exchange, Access Health CT, said some shoppers can pay as late as January 7. The Vermont exchange and Covered California have announced similar extensions while Maryland requires payment by January 15.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 12, 2013 02:07 PM (5M2+1)

278 "243 What happens? The liberal wet dream comes true. Single payer happens. ***** Okay, I know this"single payer is theultimate goal" is a popular meme around here, but I'm going to make a prediction. The American psyche will not accept single payer, even if it is made the law of the land. Whether on an intellectual level or an emotional level, it will not be accepted. The British were just emerging from WWII when the National Health Service was founded. The populace was accustomed to obeying governmental mandates for "the greater good". They were accustomed to shortages and waiting lists and doing without. They were accustomed to deferring to experts or authority. The United States in 2013 is NOT Great Britain in the early 1950's. Both consumers and providers will find ingenious work-arounds to single payer. Mark my words. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 12, 2013 05:55 PM (N/Sup)" There are two ways: 1. A Crisis. 2. Incrementalism. Leftists are probably fine with either method. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 12, 2013 02:07 PM (gnLTi)

279 The announcement came only days after Pyongyang announced through state media that Jang Song Thaek -- long considered the country's No. 2 power -- had been removed from all his posts because of allegations of corruption, drug use, gambling, womanizing and leading a "dissolute and depraved life." Every part of that is true, except as a reason for his removal. You see this in China too. The CP members ALL keep eyes on each other. They know most of what's going on. They just don't care ... until that person pisses off the Party. Then they release all of that information, and they shoot him in the head.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 12, 2013 02:07 PM (P7Wsr)

280 At this point I don't know why they needed 2,400 pages for this bill.  This sucker could have been summed up in two sentences:


COMPILATION OF PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
++++

 Like, everybody has insurance no matter what.

Posted by: Emperor Norton II at December 12, 2013 02:07 PM (MlqTY)

281 HMO's depend on people getting so frustrated that they just give up and die. I had an HMO (BC/BS based) for a decade and a half. It also covered a couple dozen employees and their dependents. Number of complaints I received in that time? *crickets* None. Nada. Zip. People, in about 12 months or less, would kill for the affordable coverage we had at the premiums I paid. Jack Nicholson, in 'As Good As It Gets' (spit) did HMO's a disservice. Not for everyone, maybe not preferred by those who depend on them for remuneration for a lifestyle they desire, but cheap, affordable insurance for tens of millions.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at December 12, 2013 02:07 PM (HFPlm)

282 havildar, that's the same plan I'm working on. Not the future I was hoping for, but maybe survivable.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 12, 2013 02:08 PM (gUoN4)

283 If we find out that members of TFG's administration are having meetings with gubmint employees in Cyprus, we'll know that they're learning how to pillage flyover country bank accounts. Posted by: nerdygirl at December 12, 2013 06:07 PM (BXnWz) It's okay, 'cause it's a tax.

Posted by: Justice Roberts at December 12, 2013 02:08 PM (BXnWz)

284 Not for everyone, maybe not preferred by those who depend on them for remuneration for a lifestyle they desire, but cheap, affordable insurance for tens of millions. Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at December 12, 2013 06:07 PM (HFPlm)


I will admit HMOs were awesome for my old firm.


We made a metric fuckton of money suing the ever loving shit out of them for bad faith denials of claims. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 12, 2013 02:10 PM (Gk3SS)

285 280 [nerdygirl]

SCOAMF's flyover plans should not include NC/SC or points south.  ie SC is fast-tracking a bill to deem Obamacare null and void.

Posted by: NCwoof at December 12, 2013 02:11 PM (aUQgu)

286 Is there not one honorable man who runs one of these insurance companies?

Are they just parasites!

I'M FURIOUS.

Posted by: PJ at December 12, 2013 02:11 PM (ZWaLo)

287  The British were just emerging from WWII when the National Health Service was founded. The populace was accustomed to obeying governmental mandates for "the greater good". They were accustomed to shortages and waiting lists and doing without. They were accustomed to deferring to experts or authority. The United States in 2013 is NOT Great Britain in the early 1950's. Both consumers and providers will find ingenious work-arounds to single payer. Mark my words.

***

Yeah, but socialized medicine will work this time around though because we've got something they didn't have.

17 trillion dollars of debt...

<I need a drink now...>


Posted by: B at December 12, 2013 02:14 PM (6iEQd)

288 We made a metric fuckton of money suing the ever loving shit out of them for bad faith denials of claims. I did the research and bought from a Blue Cross/Blue Shield subsidiary. Now, I can either buy Christmas presents from Amazon or 'Joe's Promise You Everything' website, but I prefer Amazon. But all internet vendors are bad, right?

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at December 12, 2013 02:15 PM (HFPlm)

289
Watching The Five . . Does Tantaros have a lazy eye ?
Posted by: McCool at December 12, 2013 05:09 PM (nCSwS)

WTF you doing looking at her face for?

sweater puppies yo!

Posted by: pepppep at December 12, 2013 05:13 PM (W6iIX)










Isn't the preferred AoS Style Book format supposed to be "sweater mischief"???

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 12, 2013 02:15 PM (TIIx5)

290 "These crooked bastards don't believe in risk. If they had we wouldn't see fast & furious, Benghazi, etc, etc.....

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 12, 2013 06:02 PM (HVff2)"


I meant that people would not allow single payer to be enacted because no matter how many soothing speeches Obama gave on its behalf, it would be too risky to believe any of it. Despite Obama's foot-stomping declaration that Obamacare won't be repealed, I would bet that happens before we went to single payer.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at December 12, 2013 02:16 PM (ab876)

291 I did the research and bought from a Blue Cross/Blue Shield subsidiary. Now, I can either buy Christmas presents from Amazon or 'Joe's Promise You Everything' website, but I prefer Amazon.

But all internet vendors are bad, right? Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at December 12, 2013 06:15 PM (HFPlm)



Let's step through this, shall we?  Someone stated that HMOs work on a business plan of people getting so frustrated that they give up and die.  


You reply that you had an HMO plan for a decade and a half with no complaints at all and then take a swipe at people not liking them because they don't pay to support a lifestyle that person would desire.


I then point out, none too subtly I should note, that my professional experience is rather the contrary to your stated position.  


You were the one who tossed out there as fact that yours was happy super awesome.   I pointed out the contrary.  


Let us move on to your new analogy.   Nope, not all internet vendors are bad.   But some are.   You had an excellent HMO.   Not all are.


You do comprehend that we are both discussing this matter from a  confirmation bias standpoint, yes?   You never heard complaints therefore you extrapolate out that all HMOs are good.   It is rather tautological to note that my old firm dealt with improperly handled claims.   I mean, if the claim wasn't handled improperly, there was no cognizable suit.   Therefore, I extrapolate out that most, if not all, HMOs are bad.


Confirmation bias. 


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 12, 2013 02:25 PM (Gk3SS)

292 At least as of earlier this week, if you paid on 1/15 in Maryland (anytime after 12/15 at one point), your coverage would be effective 2/1. This news undoubtedly will throw a wrench in that. Sigh.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 12, 2013 02:25 PM (54dkR)

293

286 havildar, that's the same plan I'm working on.
Not the future I was hoping for, but maybe survivablePosted by: sock_rat_eez at December 12, 2013 06:08 PM (gUoN4)

 

We are not necessarily doubting that God will do the best for us; we are wondering how painful the best will turn out to be.  CS Lewis.

Posted by: havildar major at December 12, 2013 02:33 PM (kduZC)

294 Therefore, I extrapolate out that most, if not all, HMOs are bad. And based on my experience as a somewhat self-reporting savvy consumer of insurance products I think that 100% of HMO's are good. I have no experience to indicate otherwise. Arm wrestle for the win? With jello or baby oil? Small inflatable swimming pool?

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at December 12, 2013 02:34 PM (HFPlm)

295 Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at December 12, 2013 06:07 PM (HFPlm) Your lucky but that is just not the case. HMO's on;y make money by constricting networks and limiting treatment. There ain't no free lunch and never was

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2013 02:43 PM (t3UFN)

296 "Everything done will be justified by my Foundation!"

(and the money kept rolling in, on every side...)

Posted by: Pentangle at December 12, 2013 02:51 PM (oCZUJ)

297 Your lucky but that is just not the case. HMO's on;y make money by constricting networks and limiting treatment. There ain't no free lunch and never was My wife is covered by an HMO. I have compared the Drs available to her under the HMO vs a 'higher tier' plan. They are the same. The MAJOR difference is that an HMO will require a second opinion before permitting an expensive procedure. Now I can't speak for you, but I'm kinda comfortable with my wife seeing a second Dr before getting a bodily organ removed. Some people, of the more litigious variety, may see that as 'denial of coverage'. I see it as a protection of her health against unnecessary procedures. I don't see a single medical professional as some sort of infallible 'God'. I suspect that is why we are in the mess we are in. Some people do, I don't.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at December 12, 2013 02:56 PM (HFPlm)

298 everybody hates this and it is law..totally f*cked up law, nevertheless, law. When the President is no longer in power, after destroying all the insurance companies,; how do we get our crappy system that 75% were ok with?

Posted by: kvjsbarandgrill at December 12, 2013 03:23 PM (UEUph)

299 Sibelius should be frog walked to jail, period.

Posted by: Buffalobob at December 12, 2013 03:26 PM (RZBmV)

300 The Descent into the Maelstrom Venezuela.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 12, 2013 05:01 PM (uPq7d)

301 De facto single payer is here, I told you so. The time period of sending in the check to initiate your health insurance policy is sliding into the future, where that slide stops is up to Obama. Merely choosing a plan via the website is all you need do to establish your intent to purchase it. If it were up to Obama, and it is, the taxpayer will cover the bill until you settle up with them. Why? Because you can't in good conscience leave 5 million more people uninsured. When will that be? Depends on your ability to pay. Who determines that? Obama. It was all planned, just like 5 million people losing their insurance coverage. It was all planned. When the next 80 to 100 million people lose their employer sponsored plans, the same will be done for them. The doctors, nurses and the hospitals will be paid and the government will write the checks. The health insurance companies are merely the pass through agents receiving a fee to arrange the payments. The Law only failed IF you actually were stupid/gullible enough to believe the lie about keeping your existing plan. In fact, the Law is a success as it is doing exactly what was planned, to usher in single payer for a universal socialized healthcare system.

Posted by: dscott at December 13, 2013 05:49 AM (PQhpg)

302 They'll have to pull the plug,on this mess at some point. You can see how many many middle class cannot afford Obamacare if you look on  the facebook Healthcare gov page. There are new complaints everyday. It's ridiculous. And, of course, those Obama followers are advising them to do things like,  move to a different state, for better rates, quit their jobs, so they can get on Medicaid and even lie about the amount of money they earn.  Anyone who supports this has to be either nuts or a criminal.

Posted by: Chunk at December 13, 2013 05:51 PM (bahs5)

303 "That's absurd and illegal." What's absurd and illegal is the 0bamanation, that way since long before running for office, the most lawless, fascist obscenity in our history.

Posted by: Russ Davis at December 16, 2013 07:18 AM (Wj4cc)

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