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July 12, 2013

Another "Conservative" For Amnesty
— DrewM

Unsurprisingly, David Brooks is on Team Amnesty. He lays out his reasons why the GOP should support it and needless to say they are wanting.

After all, the Senate bill fulfills the four biggest conservative objectives. Conservatives say they want economic growth. The Senate immigration bill is the biggest pro-growth item on the agenda today. Based on estimates from the Congressional Budget Office, the Senate bill would increase the gross domestic product by 3.3 percent by 2023 and by 5.4 percent by 2033. A separate study by the American Action Forum found that it would increase per capita income by $1,700 after 10 years.

Ah yes, the CBO. The same people who predicted economic growth thanks to the so-called "stimulus" of 2009. That didn't work out so well. And then there's the CBO and ObamaCare.

If you're going to appeal to authority, try one that hasn't been so wrong recently.

According to government estimates, the Senate bill would reduce federal deficits by up to $850 billion over the next 20 years.

Again, see the problem with relying on the CBO above and this.

Conservatives say they want to reduce illegal immigration. The Senate bill spends huge amounts of money to secure the border. According to the C.B.O., the bill would reduce illegal immigration by somewhere between 33 percent to 50 percent.

Again with the CBO. But look at the underlying assumption in that point...spend lots of government and you'll get the results you expect. That's not something conservatives believe.

But if Team Amnesty is so sure that their "border surge" will work, why not agree to legalization? It's almost as if they know that the money will never be spent and if it is, they don't trust it will actually work. Amnesty supporters have seen this "legalization first, security never" game before. You guys go first this time.

Conservatives say they want to avoid a European-style demographic collapse. But without more immigrants, and the higher fertility rates they bring, that is exactly what the U.S. faces. Plus, this bill radically increases the number of high-skilled immigrants. It takes millions of long-term resident families out of the shadows so they can lead more mainstream lives.

Conservatives also want to avoid a European-style system where immigration overwhelms their country. Even the Europeans are admitting that hasn't worked out so well.

Brooks dismisses concerns that giving Obama the power to implement immigration reform will lead to him waiving security provisions.

Then it gets weird.

The second conservative complaint is that the bill would flood the country with more low-skilled workers, driving down wages. This is an argument borrowed from the reactionary left, and it shows. In the first place, the recent research suggests that increased immigration drives down wages far less than expected. Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born. They do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs.

"Increased immigration drives down wages far less than expected". Wait. He admits it will drive down wages, we're just arguing how much? How is this an acceptable position?

This notion of a perfect labor market with no restrictions or barriers isn't a conservative notion, it's a libertarian one (they also pare it with deconstructing the welfare state). Ace laid out the conservative case for prioritizing Americans over foreigners quite well. David Brooks would do well to read it.

Then comes the cherry on the Sundae of Stupidity.

efore Asians, Hispanics and all the other groups can be won with economic plans, they need to feel respected and understood by the G.O.P. They need to feel that Republicans respect their ethnic and cultural identity. If Republicans reject immigration reform, that will be a giant sign of disrespect, and nothing else Republicans say will even be heard.

Respect? What exactly is respectful about people who come here illegally? Embracing amnesty means embracing policies that hurt Americans in order to provide benefits to people from other countries who have broken our laws.

Amnesty is bad policy and politics but worst of all, it's immoral.

Posted by: DrewM at 07:23 AM | Comments (295)
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1 I hate this brand of Republican.

Posted by: Y-not at July 12, 2013 07:25 AM (5H6zj)

2 I'm a sucker.. According to government estimates, the Senate bill would reduce federal deficits by up to $850 billion over the next 20 years. How?

Posted by: RWC at July 12, 2013 07:26 AM (fWAjv)

3 David Brooks is addicted to bathtub cheese.

Posted by: garrett at July 12, 2013 07:26 AM (zgXdz)

4 CBO: Congressional Bullshit Orifice

Posted by: zsasz at July 12, 2013 07:27 AM (MMC8r)

...and respect is earned.

Partly by not violating the laws of a sovereign nation.

Posted by: garrett at July 12, 2013 07:28 AM (zgXdz)

6 Close enough for government work!

Posted by: CBO at July 12, 2013 07:30 AM (Aif/5)

7 "Conservatives say they want to avoid a European-style demographic collapse. But without more immigrants, and the higher fertility rates they bring, that is exactly what the U.S. faces."

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This is stupid. Its admitting to a problem and than reaching for a cover-up solution rather than addressing the cause of the low-birth rates. And how can you claim amnestied immigrants will assimilate without adopting our culture's low-birth-rate culture? You can't have it both ways.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 12, 2013 07:30 AM (UypUQ)

8 According to government estimates, the Senate bill would reduce federal deficits by up to $850 billion over the next 20 years. How? omg the supposed "paying back taxes/fees" thing that is never going to happen in a million years!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 12, 2013 07:31 AM (2up3Q)

9 David Brooks has stopped his sexual fixation on pant creases long enough to comment on immigration? He's the type of Washington bar fly that the GOP needs to tell to go away. Unfortunately, it's his party, not ours.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 12, 2013 07:31 AM (IyKYr)

10 Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born.

Possibly because state and federal governments pay low-skilled native-born citizens to sit around cities and not work.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 12, 2013 07:31 AM (/kI1Q)

11 Without a giant, bloated welfare state to support, it would not matter whether the population went up or down.

Maybe if they didn't think their kids would be nothing but debt serfs bound to promises they did not make, the natives would be more likely to breed.

Posted by: VA Gator at July 12, 2013 07:31 AM (ZZiTD)

12 Its admitting to a problem and than reaching for a cover-up solution rather than addressing the cause of the low-birth rates. Exactly. The problem is American citizens can't afford to have their own children while working their asses off to support a whole bunch of random strangers. that's also the problem in Europe and every other Welfare State

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 12, 2013 07:32 AM (2up3Q)

13 Old-and-busted: pretending to be conservative; new-hottness: hispandering!

Posted by: Repu-whig-cans at July 12, 2013 07:32 AM (jjHEm)

14 I thought amnesty was dead. Why are we still talking about it?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 07:32 AM (TOk1P)

15 David Brooks always displays some finely creased fucking blather.

I'd pay good money to give him a couple of backhanders across the snout with a pair of my dirty work gloves.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 12, 2013 07:32 AM (RmQVx)

16 Before Asians, Hispanics and all the other groups can be won with economic plans, they need to feel respected and understood by the G.O.P. And nothing says respect more than exploding the numbers of people getting EITC. David Brooks: Democrat lawn jockey.

Posted by: George Orwell wearing a lampshade at July 12, 2013 07:33 AM (mCNwt)

17 BurtTC it will never be dead. VIGILANCE!!! they will never stop torturing us with this and any "warm bodies are needed for dominance" fantasies are just that - dementia has set in for Our Betters.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 12, 2013 07:33 AM (2up3Q)

18 Listen to me pubes, I came to these academic conclusions while consulting with experts at cocktail parties in DC and NY.

Posted by: David Brooks at July 12, 2013 07:33 AM (Aif/5)

19 I thought amnesty was dead. Why are we still talking about it? Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 11:32 AM (TOk1P) It only has a flesh wound. They do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs. How? No, honestly, how? How can a native be pushed into a better job when said native cannot get an entry-level job as someone who is here illegally has that job? Serious you guys, I would love an answer to that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 07:34 AM (VtjlW)

20 omg the supposed "paying back taxes/fees" thing that is never going to happen in a million years! No idea may be more delusional than the idea that you can tax something you can't prohibit.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 12, 2013 07:34 AM (IyKYr)

21 Any conservative on Team Amnesty is just trying to suck up to big business, so they can get cheaper labor. Gee, thanks.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 12, 2013 07:34 AM (1hM1d)

17 -

Fine, vigilance, but do we need to respond to the idiocy of David Brooks? The guy is an older, male Meagan McCain.

Who cares what he says.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 07:34 AM (TOk1P)

Conservatives say they want to reduce illegal immigration. The Senate bill spends huge amounts of money to secure the border. According to the C.B.O., the bill would reduce illegal immigration by somewhere between 33 percent to 50 percent.

*climbs up on soapbox*

A BILL DOES NOT SPEND MONEY. PEOPLE SPEND MONEY.

"We're going to hire XYZ border security agents, and build an ABC mile long fence! Look at all the money we've set aside for it!"

You can put as much funding shit in a bill as you want, but that doesn't mean it gets spent. It's put there as a sop to the fools who are content with the ILLUSION of enforcement. Not a g-ddamn penny will be spent on enforcing current laws, let alone strengthening them. You may get a handful more border security agents, but they'll be nothing more than aggrandized hotel concierges, stationed at the border to provide the incoming illegals with canapes and warm steam towels as they cross into the country.

It's BULLSHIT is what it is.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:35 AM (4df7R)

24 Also, has anyone figured out why the illegals would voluntarily come "out of the shadows"? I'm not seeing any upside. It's not like if they get caught breaking the law that they'll be deported.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 12, 2013 07:35 AM (1hM1d)

Ace - you changed fonts on the main page!

ISWYDT

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 12, 2013 07:35 AM (YYJjz)

26 Or as Limbaugh famously asked how do I get into the shadows and off the government's radar?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 12, 2013 07:36 AM (1hM1d)

27 Anyone who proposes to regularize 10 million foreigners while black male unemployment is 20+% is insane, and a racist to boot.

Posted by: toby928© repeats himself at July 12, 2013 07:36 AM (codCi)

28 *shoves Val U Rite through USB for MWR*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 07:36 AM (VtjlW)

29 the Senate bill would increase the gross domestic product by 3.3 percent by 2023

I don't give a shit what the GDP does. It's GDP per capita (because either the earnings are spread around, or the Dems' theft programs spread them around) that matters and adding 30 million to the denominator means a drop of about 10% from where you're at now.

Actually it's inflation adjusted GDP per capita that matters, but that's tangential to the topic at hand.

Posted by: Methos at July 12, 2013 07:37 AM (hO9ad)

30 I do not consider construction or farming to be low skill jobs, but try to get a job doing either if you are not here illegally. My neighbor, an American citizen of Mexican descent who has 40+ years farming experience, was replaced by an illegal alien because the guy was cheaper.

Posted by: huerfano at July 12, 2013 07:37 AM (bAGA/)

31 *climbs up on soapbox* A BILL DOES NOT SPEND MONEY. PEOPLE SPEND MONEY. "We're going to hire XYZ border security agents, and build an ABC mile long fence! Look at all the money we've set aside for it!" You can put as much funding shit in a bill as you want, but that doesn't mean it gets spent. It's put there as a sop to the fools who are content with the ILLUSION of enforcement. Not a g-ddamn penny will be spent on enforcing current laws, let alone strengthening them. You may get a handful more border security agents, but they'll be nothing more than aggrandized hotel concierges, stationed at the border to provide the incoming illegals with canapes and warm steam towels as they cross into the country. It's BULLSHIT is what it is. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:35 AM (4df7R) Any more trips to the bunk and Washington Nearsider is going to be permanently blind.

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 07:37 AM (GQ8sn)

32 Are we compiling the list of those to be purged from the Party through attrition/shunning/non-reelection?

Posted by: Smokey Behr at July 12, 2013 07:37 AM (QyeW7)

33 *shoves Val U Rite through USB for MWR*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 11:36 AM (VtjlW)

Thank you. *considers using a glass, then swigs straight from the bottle*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:37 AM (4df7R)

34 How? No, honestly, how? How can a native be pushed into a better job when said native cannot get an entry-level job as someone who is here illegally has that job? Day-laboring white people apparently congregate outside Staples looking for office work according to the pant-crease pervert.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 12, 2013 07:38 AM (IyKYr)

35 David Brooks is about as conservative as Liberace was straight

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2013 07:38 AM (1Jaio)

36 Expecting DB to make sense is like, well like a sharknado or some other implausible thingy.

Posted by: angel with a sword at July 12, 2013 07:38 AM (2y8mE)

37 Let me see if I have this straight. The stupid party will win "respect" from a demographic group of people predisposed to break our law and to large welfare statism by erasing the laws they have broken. So one may assume the stupid party may win even more respect by offering bribes of other sorts. I don't think respect is quite the word here.

Posted by: George Orwell wearing a lampshade at July 12, 2013 07:39 AM (mCNwt)

38 Anyone who proposes to regularize 10 million foreigners while black male unemployment is 20+% is insane, and a racist to boot.

Did you just suggest black men should be expected to work?

RAAAAACIST.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 12, 2013 07:39 AM (/kI1Q)

39 I'm sorry, if you need your ethnic and cultural identity respected so badly, maybe you shouldn't have left your native land. I thought the whole point of naturalization was to become an American. I want you to judge me by the content of my character unless I can get a better deal with the color of my skin really doesn't work for me.

Posted by: no good deed at July 12, 2013 07:39 AM (WmLrU)

35 -

I always had a thing for Sonja Henie too.

Posted by: David Brooks at July 12, 2013 07:40 AM (TOk1P)

41 David Brooks is about as conservative as Liberace was straight *** Why, I never!

Posted by: Liberace at July 12, 2013 07:40 AM (jjvz+)

42 I listened to Hugh Hewitt on the radio for the first time yesterday, He field stripped a squishy Republican rep from Penn. They will not tell us why they won't secure the border first. I don't know why.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 07:40 AM (XIxXP)

43
Conservatives say they want to avoid a European-style demographic collapse...

Well, if our choices are unchecked replacement migration or making more babies by humping like lil' bunny rabbits -- just call me Bugs.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 12, 2013 07:40 AM (kdS6q)

44 I can't believe that anyone grounded in the sanity-based universe quotes CBO...for anything. Seriously, sheesh. Nothing says "I'm a fucktard and I got a B+++ on my self-graded test" like quoting CBO.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at July 12, 2013 07:40 AM (Vgn84)

45 They will continue to work under the table and pay no taxes, so no coffers other than the one that gets sales taxes will be filled and they're being filled already. There is no net gain for anyone here, other than the Dems whose votes they will get. The days of Hispanics being conservative were gone once Commies and Marxists took over their countries. It's all they know and they will bring it here. They're still family oriented, but have embraced the nanny state, and they really like the looks of this big ol American nanny.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 12, 2013 07:40 AM (2/T/u)

46 The Senate bill spends huge amounts of money to secure the border.

Build a "Great Wall" of America visible from space like China did. Call it a jobs program.

Then we can talk about dealing with the Mexicans that are already here.

Posted by: Methos at July 12, 2013 07:41 AM (hO9ad)

47 You know why Brooks, and the Bushies, and the other rich Pubbies like immigration...servants. Yeah, it's ugly to point that out, but, they all have gardeners, chauffeurs, cleaning ladies, cooks, stable hands, nannies, and so on and so forth, and a lot of those servants have brown faces and a fair number of them are probably here illegally or they have family who are here illegally. So, all the Noblesse F@cking Oblige makes them want to be fairer and kinder to all their less fortunate brown brothers and sisters.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 07:41 AM (kXoT0)

Poor David, when he gets past the crease-sharpness analysis, he's pretty much in over his head.

Off the island with him.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 12, 2013 07:41 AM (s0hlt)

49 Why does anyone still print David Brooks' bilgewater clams, or as he probably refers to it, writing?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 12, 2013 07:41 AM (P7hip)

50 > Conservatives say they want to avoid a European-style demographic collapse... The only reason I stopped at 2 was I couldn't afford more kids. If I was paying like 10% of my income in taxes instead of 30% I'd have had a couple more.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at July 12, 2013 07:41 AM (ZWvOb)

51 When you've lost conservative stalwarts like David Brooks ... Oh. Wait.

Posted by: Andy at July 12, 2013 07:42 AM (VXrUE)

I thought amnesty was dead. Why are we still talking about it?

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Nothing is dead with this crew. Van Helsing couldn't kill it.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 12, 2013 07:42 AM (YmPwQ)

53 Wow, O'mara just mocked the baldy and made him look like an ass.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 07:42 AM (XIxXP)

54 So what's next Dave, you going to declare for gun control? Are you ahead of the D party agenda, or behind?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 07:42 AM (TOk1P)

55 I asked this last night but I guess everyone was too drunk to answer. Now I suppose that everyone has too much of a hangover. Nevertheless...

Does anyone know if Bethany Hamilton had a bit part in Sharknado?

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] . An Observation at July 12, 2013 07:42 AM (ylhEn)

56 Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 11:37 AM (GQ8sn) And he'll have to shave his palms.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 12, 2013 07:42 AM (2/T/u)

57 Build a "Great Wall" of America visible from space like China did. Call it a jobs program. Then we can talk about dealing with the Mexicans that are already here. --- Two for one... find all the illegals currently in our prison system, make them build the wall at $0.07 an hour, and then ship them back to their country of origin when they're done.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 12, 2013 07:43 AM (a3iAA)

58 Hmmm .... do Democrats have to "respect" white people to get their vote? Doesn't seem like it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 12, 2013 07:43 AM (ZPrif)

59 "the reactionary left"

Posted by: gastorgrab at July 12, 2013 07:43 AM (FX38i)

60 Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 11:37 AM (GQ8sn) And he'll have to shave his palms. Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 12, 2013 11:42 AM (2/T/u) Yep. He's got a really muscular right arm...so I hear from the NoVaMoMee.

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 07:44 AM (GQ8sn)

61 They need to feel that Republicans respect their ethnic and cultural identity. Tell that to La Raza, Brooks, you fat, Cheeze-Whiz farting, pustulent POS. They need to respect American culture. If that offends them, then too fucking bad. Go back to your miserable little shitstain countries and stop polluting ours.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 12, 2013 07:44 AM (zF6Iw)

62 Build a "Great Wall" of America visible from space like China did. Call it a jobs program. Then we can talk about dealing with the Mexicans that are already here. Posted by: Methos at July 12, 2013 11:41 AM (hO9ad) In Monsters, a huge wall is actually built on the border. Moral of the story? We need space spores to land in Mexico and create giant alien monsters in order to get the wall built. All y'all will be shocked to hear that I think this is an awesome idea.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 07:44 AM (VtjlW)

63 58. Of course you stupid cracker

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 12, 2013 07:44 AM (j8JLb)

64 Hmmm .... do Democrats have to "respect" white people to get their vote? Doesn't seem like it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 12, 2013 11:43 AM (ZPrif)

We get less respect than a $2 hooker offering a 50% discount to drum up business.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:44 AM (4df7R)

65 In Israel this week. ( Why i have not been posting. ) Lots of good immigration and border security here. Lots of racial profiling too. But very peaceful. Construction everywhere. Economy humming along.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 12, 2013 07:44 AM (j356h)

66 How? No, honestly, how? How can a native be pushed into a better job when said native cannot get an entry-level job as someone who is here illegally has that job?

Serious you guys, I would love an answer to that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 11:34 AM (VtjlW)

I would too. Most of those jobs I mentioned in my rant used to be filled by Black people--proud to do those jobs and do them well, but, then the RACE PIMPS convinced them that being a maid or chauffeur was the moral equivalency of slavery. So, when brown folks wanted those jobs and would do them cheaper, the servant class turned brown.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 07:44 AM (kXoT0)

67 Is O'Mara going to hit himself with that chunk of concrete?

Posted by: toby928© repeats himself at July 12, 2013 07:44 AM (codCi)

68 58. Of course you stupid cracker Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 12, 2013 11:44 AM (j8JLb) Navycopjoe, why are you so racist????

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 07:45 AM (GQ8sn)

69 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 12, 2013 11:43 AM (a3iAA) That's a great idea....you have no future in politics.

Posted by: BignJames at July 12, 2013 07:45 AM (Sg0G/)

70 RE: Trial

I think its huge that Martin's history of fighting via his text-messages evidence did not get in. Could have sealed the deal with the jury that Martin was the aggressor that night.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 12, 2013 07:45 AM (UypUQ)

71 No Zimmerman thread?

Posted by: Mjim at July 12, 2013 07:45 AM (0Vg/L)

72 If Republicans reject immigration reform, that will be a giant sign of disrespect We're still waiting on that delivery of respect from the last two amnesties, Dave. Given that all Pubbies got was a smaller segment of Hispanic voters, you're the one unable to read signs.

Posted by: George Orwell wearing a lampshade at July 12, 2013 07:45 AM (mCNwt)

73 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 11:41 AM (kXoT0) In all fairness, I don't think that's true. They have all that already and there is no shortage, even if amnesty gets killed. But what I DO think they think is that all those workers means more income tax and more being paid into the Social Security funding, and you cannot make them understand that that will not happen; they will continue to work under the table for cash. And those who continue to hire them for cash are heavily to blame as well.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (2/T/u)

52 -

I realize that, but my question is why are people responding to David Brooks? He's talking about a Senate bill that the House has declared it won't move on.

Maybe the problem is me, but I just don't get why we have to respond every time one of these idiots says something we don't like.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (TOk1P)

75 If David Brooks is a conservative, I'm the queen of England.

Posted by: mark in sandy ut at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (vOpzA)

76 No Zimmerman thread? Posted by: Mjim at July 12, 2013 11:45 AM (0Vg/L) Every thread is a Zimmerman thread.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (XIxXP)

77 We get less respect than a $2 hooker offering a 50% discount to drum up business. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:44 AM (4df7R) Where are they????

Posted by: Elliot Spitzer at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (GQ8sn)

78 In Israel this week.

If you see any cute IDF girls in bakinis with guns try to get a picture for us.

Posted by: Adam at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (Aif/5)

79 How many foreigners writing for the op-ed pages of the New York Times? I don't see a lot of them there, David. Hypocrite much?

Posted by: AmishDude at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (T0NGe)

80 *shoves Val U Rite through USB for MWR*
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 11:36 AM (VtjlW)

Thank you. *considers using a glass, then swigs straight from the bottle*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:37 AM (4df7R)

Oh, girl, at this point we are drinking straight from the hose.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (kXoT0)

81 Damn, MOM just said TM would be in jail on two counts of aggravated battery if he was alive today.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 12, 2013 07:46 AM (VjL9S)

82 68. Because I'm a democrat DUH!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 12, 2013 07:47 AM (j8JLb)

83 Aaargh. How bout if Republicans respect my cultural and ethnic identity by NOT lumping me in with illegals? Respect the law abiding immigrants, Hispanic and otherwise, and we're good, k?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Sharknado at July 12, 2013 07:47 AM (GmTxn)

84 35 ... ------ David Brooks is to conservativism as Tokyo Rose is to the American war effort in the Pacific.

Posted by: edj[/i] at July 12, 2013 07:47 AM (9Ko7L)

85 They will continue to work under the table and pay no taxes, so no coffers other than the one that gets sales taxes will be filled and they're being filled already.

An excellent reason to disband the IRS, repeal the amendment allowing income tax, and move to a consumption only tax.

Posted by: Methos at July 12, 2013 07:47 AM (hO9ad)

86 Every thread is a Zimmerman thread.

Hee, he doesn't know about the three shells.

Posted by: toby928© repeats himself at July 12, 2013 07:47 AM (codCi)

87 82 68. Because I'm a democrat DUH!!! Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 12, 2013 11:47 AM (j8JLb) LOL!!!!

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 07:47 AM (GQ8sn)

88 that the link goes to the NY Times tells me all I need to know.

but I like this line: 'Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born. They do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs."

I would like Brooks to sit down and explain that. I can almost hear him say that pork doesn't compete with chicken because some people don't eat pork, so flooding the market with cheap pork wouldn't force down the price of chicken. Perhaps a better analogy would be to say that an increase the number of cheap hookers on 11th Ave wouldn't drive down the price of Park Ave penthouse call girls. I know of at least one Dem running for office in NYC who could use that analogy.

Posted by: Mallfly at July 12, 2013 07:47 AM (bJm7W)

89 He has put on a content-rich closing. Compare that to what the prosecution put on.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 07:48 AM (jjvz+)

90 Hee, he doesn't know about the three shells. Posted by: toby928Â© repeats himself at July 12, 2013 11:47 AM (codCi) Edjucate me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 07:48 AM (XIxXP)

91 68 58. Of course you stupid cracker

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 12, 2013 11:44 AM (j8JLb)

Navycopjoe, why are you so racist????

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 11:45 AM (GQ8sn)

Because he's a democrat.

Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 07:49 AM (LI48c)

92 AGAIN:

Amnesty is the Left's attempt to import new voters and create a permanent majority

other arguments on its behalf don't even register with me, and they shouldn't with anyone else with more than a few IQ points to scrape together

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 12, 2013 07:49 AM (8sCoq)

If Republicans reject immigration reform, that will be a giant sign of disrespect

So, what? Am I supposed to bump my fist twice against my chest and point at the next hispanic person I see and say, "Yo, holla, ese. Tengo respeto para usted. Wurd a su madre."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:49 AM (4df7R)

94 Of course we could ask the Israelis how to build a fence - they seem to have done so quite successfully. Liberals seem to think that fences are their to keep a repressed citizenry in - but unexpectedly - it is always leftist states that have to do that.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] . An Observation at July 12, 2013 07:49 AM (ylhEn)

95 89 He has put on a content-rich closing. Compare that to what the prosecution put on. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 11:48 AM (jjvz+) I hope Del La Riando gets back up and starts with his hysterics again. Good comparison to O'Mara's calm and logical closing statement.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 12, 2013 07:49 AM (X6akg)

96 With the timing and transparent arguments for their "Immigration Reform" the GOP establishment demonstrates it's blatant contempt for the intelligence of Conservatives, and at the same time their pliable complicity with the Marxists in their own demise.

We won't need a third party, the true Number 2 is currently busy desperately flushing themselves down the hopper.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 12, 2013 07:49 AM (RmQVx)

"Maybe the problem is me, but I just don't get why we have to respond every time one of these idiots says something we don't like."

It's to offset the invitations to cocktail parties that they think mean they are brilliant for uttering this drivel. Mocking them is for their own good, really. Really. Okay, it's fun too.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 12, 2013 07:49 AM (s0hlt)

>>>How? No, honestly, how? How can a native be pushed into a better job when said native cannot get an entry-level job as someone who is here illegally has that job?

Its been written into the Bill that native-born Americans get spotted 3 entries on their CVs. Paragrah 14, subsection A, page 392

Posted by: Bigby's First Stonecasting Hands at July 12, 2013 07:50 AM (3ZtZW)

99 'Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born. They do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs.' Except STEM jobs. We import immigrants to do those as well and drive the salaries down. So we've got that going.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 12, 2013 07:50 AM (T0NGe)

100 No mention of reciprocity. If this is such a 'great deal', why are there no Central and South American country's matching it? The first rule of a transaction is that both parties must see a greater value or there is no transaction. Whats being offered is a shell game.

Posted by: Sanford DA at July 12, 2013 07:50 AM (oDCMR)

101 O'mara is done.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 07:50 AM (XIxXP)

102 Oh poop....State's rebuttal by Mr. Guy.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 12, 2013 07:50 AM (X6akg)

103 I hope Del La Riando gets back up and starts with his hysterics again. Good comparison to O'Mara's calm and logical closing statement. *** I believe Guy's doing the rebut and he will be much calmer.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 07:50 AM (jjvz+)

104 Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 12, 2013 11:44 AM (j356h) Well if the US was the size of Jersey with less than a third of the population of Southern CA alone, even the incompetent fucks at DHS could control our border. Assuming the actually wanted to, which we know they don't and assuming they were even half as intelligent as the Israelis, which we know they aren't.

Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 12, 2013 07:50 AM (2/T/u)

105 MoM just wrapped up. Ten minute recess, and then state's rebuttal to defense closing arguments.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 12, 2013 07:50 AM (0IhFx)

106 Oh, girl, at this point we are drinking straight from the hose.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 11:46 AM (kXoT0)

Good point.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:51 AM (4df7R)

107 ut what I DO think they think is that all those workers means more income tax and more being paid into the Social Security funding, and you cannot make them understand that that will not happen; they will continue to work under the table for cash. And those who continue to hire them for cash are heavily to blame as well. Posted by: Tammy sans Thor at July 12, 2013 11:46 AM (2/T/u) I've heard the argument framed in an economic context that more illegals in the country (more population), increases aggregate demand thereby stimulating the economy for more goods and services. Where that argument fails is that they also consume more govt services and consequently deplete the budgets meant for citizens. That drives up taxes to compensate.

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 07:51 AM (GQ8sn)

108

>>>the servant class turned brown.

Past the due date!

Posted by: Bigby's First Stonecasting Hands at July 12, 2013 07:51 AM (3ZtZW)

109 And - defense is done. I expected there to be one lone clapper stand up and start the room clapping. Maybe they'll do it in the made for TV movie.

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 07:51 AM (r98SZ)

110 If Republicans reject immigration reform, that will be a giant sign of disrespect You know what's a giant sign of disrespect? The president of your party encouraging the high-tech lynching of a Hispanic guy. That's a sign of disrespect.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 12, 2013 07:51 AM (T0NGe)

111 Edjucate me.

All restaurants are Taco Bell.

Posted by: toby928© repeats himself at July 12, 2013 07:52 AM (codCi)

112

97 -

Great, so when does the mocking start? I see attempts at reasoned arguments against David Brooks. Where are the insults? The jokes? The suggestions that he is light in the loafers?

Please, somebody, say something inappropriate!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 07:52 AM (TOk1P)

113

David Brooks pretending he's interested in conservationism is as convincing as Sonny Drysdale pretending he's interested in Elly May Clampett.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 12, 2013 07:52 AM (kdS6q)

114

"Maybe the problem is me, but I just don't get why we have to respond every time one of these idiots says something we don't like."

Well the House GOP is currently working on IT'S OWN immigration bill -- a GOP DREAM Act -- so the matter is not dead even though it should be.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:52 AM (4df7R)

115 If stupidity was a state, David brooks would be living in its capital.

Posted by: Michael Moore'd in the Boobeh at July 12, 2013 07:52 AM (rCS6C)

116 Good point.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:51 AM (4df7R)

But, do use a napkin to wipe your chin and hold your pinkie extended while grasping the hose. We're not animals.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 07:52 AM (kXoT0)

117 No Zimmerman thread?

I'm sure ace had two threads prepared, depending on which way the jury goes.

Posted by: Methos at July 12, 2013 07:52 AM (hO9ad)

118

99'Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born. They
do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs.'

Except STEM jobs. We import immigrants to do those as well and drive the salaries down. So we've got that going.

Yep, Silicon Valley is miffed they don't get their share of leaf blowers. For some unknown reason, Mexicans cannot find Silicon Valley. Apple needs our help, or they will get mad.

Posted by: Sanford DA at July 12, 2013 07:52 AM (oDCMR)

119 The verdict isn't today is it?

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 07:53 AM (GQ8sn)

120 Where that argument fails is that they also consume more govt services and consequently deplete the budgets meant for citizens. That drives up taxes to compensate. Welfare state? What welfare state?

Posted by: Clueless dipshit CBO economist at July 12, 2013 07:53 AM (T0NGe)

121 88 'Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born. They do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs." I would like Brooks to sit down and explain that. I can almost hear him say that pork doesn't compete with chicken because some people don't eat pork. Flooding the market with pork will drive chickens into higher paying jobs, such as...er...driving pork delivery trucks.

Posted by: David Brooks[/i] at July 12, 2013 07:54 AM (9Ko7L)

122 How many casinos use the CBO software as a model for generating revenue? Zippo. Nada. Zilchski. Go figure.

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2013 07:54 AM (UzPAd)

123 Has Ace prepared for the text based riots?

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 07:54 AM (r98SZ)

124 It is sadly typical. The faux-libertarian "suicide pact" argument for open borders.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 07:54 AM (ujg0T)

125 The verdict isn't today is it?

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 11:53 AM (GQ8sn)

Depends how long the jury deliberates after the prosecution gives its rebuttal.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:54 AM (4df7R)

126 Edjucate me. All restaurants are Taco Bell. Posted by: toby928Â© repeats himself at July 12, 2013 11:52 AM (codCi) LOL, got it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 07:54 AM (XIxXP)

127

119 -

No, it was last year.

Posted by: Obama and Holder at July 12, 2013 07:54 AM (TOk1P)

128 The verdict could be today. State has one hour to say words. Then jury gets it.

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 07:54 AM (r98SZ)

129 Follow the money... Amnesty is about collecting taxes on slave labor... And ensuring the Dem Rino legacy.

Posted by: sTevo at July 12, 2013 07:55 AM (Ue8+L)

130 David Brooks: Democrat lawn jockey. Posted by: George Orwell wearing a lampshade That is most evident when he is on the PBS News Hour with that moronic little mick, Mark Shields. Brooks is his bitch, and he knows it.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at July 12, 2013 07:55 AM (RFeQD)

131 WAIT

Napolitano resigns less than 24 hours after Sharknado airs?

dun dun DUNNNNN...

what aren't they telling us?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 12, 2013 07:55 AM (8sCoq)

132 Congressional Budget Office, the Senate bill would increase the gross domestic product by 3.3 percent by 2023 and by 5.4 percent by 2033. A separate study by the American Action Forum found that it would increase per capita income by $1,700 after 10 years. CBO's numbers are untrustworthy after O'Scare. And $170.00 a year on average? Way to aim high!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 12, 2013 07:55 AM (MJFVz)

133 125 The verdict isn't today is it? Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 11:53 AM (GQ8sn) Depends how long the jury deliberates after the prosecution gives its rebuttal. --- I think the prosecution is limited to about 20 minutes to rebut, so they may get this verdict in between lunch and dinner, depending on whether they're all on the same page.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 12, 2013 07:55 AM (a3iAA)

134 The verdict isn't today is it? God willing, there will be 2 hours of deliberation and a "not guilty" verdict by dinnertime.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 12, 2013 07:55 AM (T0NGe)

135 The verdict could be today. State has one hour to say words. Then jury gets it. Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 11:54 AM (r98SZ) Actually they have 23 minutes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 07:55 AM (XIxXP)

136 Very nice Mary Poppins . I'd put that one up against one of Capt. Hate's epistles .

Posted by: awkward davies at July 12, 2013 07:56 AM (WK8VM)

137

1. The Poor USE more Social Resources, than the Rich... so you want MORE poor people and that will DECREASE the debt? When almost 50% pay no Taxes NOW?

2. The Way to decrease Illegal immigration, is to enforce the already existing laws... State and Fed Task Forces hitting IDENTIEY Fraud (which is a State Crime, not having to do with Immigration) would KILL Illegal immigration... Problem now is that since those laws are not enforced, they do not FEAR to come here.

3. If anyone wants to see what the economy is like 'if' they grant amnesty, just look at the California Central Valley. A once vibrant economy changed as the cultural makeup of the inhabitants changed... from a very good economy... to one of the worst in the Nation.

4. The Jobs these immigrants will take, will be the entry level jobs our KIDS need... heck... my Girlfriends 19 year old Son has been seriously looking for work for 5 months in Manteca CA... but as he does not speak Spanish he is at a competitive disadvantage.

Amnesty is the idea that they will screw the Existing Citizen, for some future payoff.... its like Social Security all over again.... and stupid.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2013 07:56 AM (lZBBB)

138 The verdict could be today. State has one hour to say words. Then jury gets it. Hopefully the jury already "got it".

Posted by: rickb223 at July 12, 2013 07:56 AM (MJFVz)

139 127
119 -

No, it was last year.

Posted by: Obama and Holder at July 12, 2013 11:54 AM (TOk1P)

Holder and Obama beat off to the last episode of season 2 of BBC's Sherlock Holmes.

Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 07:56 AM (LI48c)

140 115 If stupidity was a state, David brooks would be living in its capital.
=========
Oh, I think he's a sufficient mass of stupid to form his own state.

Funny--in a not ha-ha way--how there has never been a "conservative" politician say, "Brooks is not a conservative."

It's almost like the GOP prefers to have the name "conservative" be smeared by comparison with the "reasonable" Brooks.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 12, 2013 07:56 AM (VjL9S)

141 The verdict could be today. State has one hour to say words. Then jury gets it. Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 11:54 AM (r98SZ) Actually they have 23 minutes. *** That's what I thought but someone has told me it's an hour so I'm no longer sue.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 07:56 AM (jjvz+)

142 Possibly a better link to Sharknado: http://goo.gl/mOZYN The other one is okay to watch on a computer but when I try to watch the downloader's stuff on my television, it always seems to be out of sync.

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 12, 2013 07:56 AM (cjFRv)

143 It's BULLSHIT is what it is.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:35 AM (4df7R)

That's why our Border Patrol guys can carry rifles but not ammo.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 12, 2013 07:57 AM (fwARV)

144 Well, I hope the good people of FL are cancelling all evening activities tonight and bunkering down. Either way, it could get bad. Stay safe FL morons/ettes!

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 07:57 AM (GQ8sn)

145 Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born. They do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs. ~ Brooks

Hell, the folks that I know who lost jobs to illegals are bricklayers, carpenters, laborers, and machinists. Drive by any home being built in your fair town and see how many workers are White or Black.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 07:57 AM (kXoT0)

146 sure

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 07:57 AM (jjvz+)

147 Amnesty is the Democrat party's means to replace all those Democrat voters lost to abortion. It's really that simple.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 12, 2013 07:57 AM (P7hip)

148

I've heard the argument framed in an economic context that more illegals in the country (more population), increases aggregate demand thereby stimulating the economy for more goods and services.

That argument annoys the ever living hell out of me. What do these people think the illegals have been doing all the time they've been here? Do they think the illegals HAVEN'T been buying things? Do they think the illegals HAVEN'T been utilizing services? Just because they're "in the shadows" doesn't mean they don't have to eat, sleep, drink, live somewhere, wear clothes, do laundry, etc, etc.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:58 AM (4df7R)

149 Holder and Obama beat off to the last episode of season 2 of BBC's Sherlock Holmes. The Reichenbach Fall? ???

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 07:58 AM (GQ8sn)

150 Napolitano resigns less than 24 hours after Sharknado airs? You know who I want for DHS secretary? Jamie Gorelick. Embrace the suck.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 12, 2013 07:58 AM (T0NGe)

151 That's what I thought but someone has told me it's an hour so I'm no longer sue.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 11:56 AM (jjvz+)

----

Damn trannys are EVERYWHERE.....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 12, 2013 07:58 AM (nELVU)

152 Does anyone know if Bethany Hamilton had a bit part in Sharknado?

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] . An Observation at July 12, 2013 07:58 AM (ylhEn)

153
   Here comes that radical idea again--the one which is universally ignored by BOTH sides.

     Amnesty is unnecessary. The frame work for a workable solution is already in place--no further legislation is required at this time.

       That radical solution is as follows------

          Secure the Border and ENFORCE EXISTING LAW.

          Again, why is this so difficult to comprehend?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 12, 2013 07:58 AM (SAMxH)

154 I'd say, the'll pick a foreman pretty quick. Its women. And in a sane world, they'll have a vote, it'll be unanimous. They'll check a box, and Zim will be home by dinner.

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 07:58 AM (r98SZ)

155 So, what? Am I supposed to bump my fist twice against my chest and point at the next hispanic person I see and say, "Yo, holla, ese. Tengo respeto para usted. Wurd a su madre." Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:49 AM (4df7R) That crack you just heard? Was WN exceeding the sound barrier.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 07:59 AM (VtjlW)

156

134The verdict isn't today is it?

God willing, there will be 2 hours of deliberation and a "not guilty" verdict by dinnertime.

Sanford wants to schedule the riots for the weekend so the Monday commuters are not bothered.

Posted by: Sanford DA at July 12, 2013 07:59 AM (oDCMR)

157 Hell, the folks that I know who lost jobs to illegals are bricklayers, carpenters, laborers, and machinists.

I see Brooks as Professor Hathaway in Real Genius:
"That's what you get for not having a college education!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 12, 2013 07:59 AM (/kI1Q)

158 137 "... my Girlfriends 19 year old...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2013 11:56 AM (lZBBB)

-------------

Pervert. I'm jealous.

Posted by: BurtTC, Selective Editor at July 12, 2013 07:59 AM (TOk1P)

159
The verdict isn't today is it?

Probably not....but it could happen late this afternoon.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 12, 2013 07:59 AM (0IhFx)

160 That's why our Border Patrol guys can carry rifles but not ammo.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 12, 2013 11:57 AM (fwARV)

You say that as if bean bags weren't ammo.

[/sarc]

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 07:59 AM (4df7R)

161 124 It is sadly typical. The faux-libertarian "suicide pact" argument for open borders.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 11:54 AM (ujg0T)

Funny thing.... there are closed border Libertarians.... ie... those of us who know that we cannot fix everyone's problems.... and should not TRY...

I'm a closed border Libertarian, because we have to look after our own... FIRST.... be an EXAMPLE of Liberty... then let others decide what to do with THEIR country.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2013 07:59 AM (lZBBB)

162 That argument annoys the ever living hell out of me. What do these people think the illegals have been doing all the time they've been here? Do they think the illegals HAVEN'T been buying things? Do they think the illegals HAVEN'T been utilizing services? Just because they're "in the shadows" doesn't mean they don't have to eat, sleep, drink, live somewhere, wear clothes, do laundry, etc, etc. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R) Exactly. And if a large illegal population is supposed to do wonders to the economy, then why isn't CA richer than shit by now? By all accounts, every living soul in CA should be able to ski uphill by now.

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 08:00 AM (GQ8sn)

163 149 I've heard the argument framed in an economic context that more illegals in the country (more population), increases aggregate demand thereby stimulating the economy for more goods and services.

That argument annoys the ever living hell out of me. What do these people think the illegals have been doing all the time they've been here? Do they think the illegals HAVEN'T been buying things? Do they think the illegals HAVEN'T been utilizing services? Just because they're "in the shadows" doesn't mean they don't have to eat, sleep, drink, live somewhere, wear clothes, do laundry, etc, etc.
============
List of things an illegal can buy if they are legalized:

Hmm. Still looking. Will get back to you . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 12, 2013 08:00 AM (VjL9S)

164 Friday night's all right for fightin', get a little action in.

Posted by: Sir Elton at July 12, 2013 08:00 AM (BAS5M)

165 150 Holder and Obama beat off to the last episode of season 2 of BBC's Sherlock Holmes.

The Reichenbach Fall?

???

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 11:58 AM (GQ8sn)

Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 08:00 AM (LI48c)

166 Does anyone know if Bethany Hamilton had a bit part in Sharknado? Posted by: . An Observation at July 12, 2013 11:58 AM (ylhEn) I've ruthlessly made fun of many people. That woman is so tough and so talented, it's just not in me to be flippant about her.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 08:00 AM (XIxXP)

167 Amnesty is the Democrat party's means to replace all those Democrat voters lost to abortion. It's really that simple. Why wait 18 years when you can have them tomorrow?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 12, 2013 08:00 AM (MJFVz)

168 You know who I want for DHS secretary? Jamie Gorelick. Embrace the suck. Posted by: AmishDude Be careful what you wish for. It could happen. Failing upwards. The new normal.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at July 12, 2013 08:01 AM (RFeQD)

169 Can anyone tell me whether Judge Debra Nelson is married?

Posted by: Sanford DA at July 12, 2013 08:01 AM (oDCMR)

170 Actually they have 23 minutes. *** That's what I thought but someone has told me it's an hour so I'm no longer sue. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 11:56 AM (jjvz+) ---- The original schedule was, they both get 3 hours. State has the right to split their time up. They would do 2 hrs, defense do 3, and state do the other hour. State must have gone long on their two hours, so thats why it would be 23 min.

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 08:01 AM (r98SZ)

171

That's what I thought but someone has told me it's an hour so I'm no longer sue.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 11:56 AM (jjvz+)

Maybe they have an hour to prepare and give their comments, which can only last 23 minutes? Like, they can take up to 37 minutes to get their stuff together, then use the remaining 23 minutes to present?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 08:01 AM (4df7R)

172 Does anyone know if Bethany Hamilton had a bit part in Sharknado? Posted by: . An Observation at July 12, 2013 11:58 AM (ylhEn) Nothing on IMDB though it's possible she was one of the people on the beach.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 08:01 AM (VtjlW)

173 Ok I know I included "Yup" at the end of that last post.

Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 08:01 AM (LI48c)

174 166 150 Holder and Obama beat off to the last episode of season 2 of BBC's Sherlock Holmes. The Reichenbach Fall? ??? Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 11:58 AM (GQ8sn) Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 12:00 PM (LI48c) Yeah. And?

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 08:02 AM (GQ8sn)

175

Posted by: BurtTC, Selective Editor at July 12, 2013 11:59 AM (TOk1P)

You left out a bit.... so you like 19 year old BOYS?

But the Lady is a Smokin Hot Redhead... so yeah... you should be jealous... LOL

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2013 08:02 AM (lZBBB)

176

David Brooks actually used European immigration as a model to copy?

That takes some willful blindness and PC insanity all wrapped into one delusional package. Little old Florida cracka' me knows a half dozen Europeans who would call Brooks insane to his face.

Posted by: Beagle at July 12, 2013 08:02 AM (sOtz/)

177 I'm I the only one who got hungry when he sawed his way out of that shark?

Posted by: Shark Cracka! at July 12, 2013 08:02 AM (cjFRv)

178 Great, so when does the mocking start? I see attempts at reasoned arguments against David Brooks. Where are the insults? The jokes? The suggestions that he is light in the loafers?

Please, somebody, say something inappropriate!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 11:52 AM (TOk1P)

Was "fat, Cheeze-Whiz farting, pustulent POS" too subtle for you?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 12, 2013 08:03 AM (zF6Iw)

179 That's why our Border Patrol guys can carry rifles but not ammo.

I hear the latest ROE is if confronted by a border crosser, they are to blow a whistle and/or urinate on themselves and try to vomit to force them back home.

Posted by: no good deed at July 12, 2013 08:03 AM (WmLrU)

180 128 The verdict could be today You mean in that trial about a white Hispanic shooting a black African American?

Posted by: Let us be consistent, at least[/i] at July 12, 2013 08:03 AM (9Ko7L)

181 The original schedule was, they both get 3 hours. State has the right to split their time up. They would do 2 hrs, defense do 3, and state do the other hour. State must have gone long on their two hours, so thats why it would be 23 min. *** Okay. Cool because 23 minutes is what I've been tweeting all morning.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 08:03 AM (jjvz+)

182 I'd say, the'll pick a foreman pretty quick. Its women. And in a sane world, they'll have a vote, it'll be unanimous. They'll check a box, and Zim will be home by dinner.

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 11:58 AM (r98SZ)

... Have you ever seen a bunch of women trying to make a decision?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 08:03 AM (4df7R)

183 @JeffWeinerOS Just in: Seminole County sheriff, Sanford police chief, will make a joint statement today, after deliberations begin

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 12, 2013 08:03 AM (X6akg)

184 David Brooks actually used European immigration as a model to copy? He needs to be dropped off in one of those Muzzy slums in France.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 08:03 AM (XIxXP)

185 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:49 AM (4df7R)

That crack you just heard? Was WN exceeding the sound barrier.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 12, 2013 11:59 AM (VtjlW)

Sorry about your windows, guys...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 12, 2013 08:04 AM (fwARV)

186 Do they think the illegals HAVEN'T been utilizing services? Just because they're "in the shadows" doesn't mean they don't have to eat, sleep, drink, live somewhere, wear clothes, do laundry, etc, etc.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R)

Yeah, and it is like the argument that they don't contribute to high car insurance rates because they absolutely positively do not drink and drive. Oh, really, those Mexican lawn guys I see in the QuickTrip buying 24 packs of cold beer and then slamming down 2 or 3 12 oz beers before they leave the parking lot are not drinking and driving.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 08:04 AM (kXoT0)

187 But the Lady is a Smokin Hot Redhead... so yeah... you should be jealous... LOL Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2013 12:02 PM (lZBBB) Moron Code Chapter 1, Section 1, Subparagraph 1 says: any and all mention of hawtness is to be immediately followed by linking photographic documentation of said hawtness within 1-5 minutes.

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 08:04 AM (GQ8sn)

188 But, do use a napkin to wipe your chin and hold your pinkie extended while grasping the hose. We're not animals.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 11:52 AM (kXoT0)

Oh, great. Better move over, Washington Nearsider. I'm gonna need the bunk.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 12, 2013 08:04 AM (zF6Iw)

189 The moment they announce that a verdict has been reached, I will calmly adjourn to my bedroom to retrieve my XD 40 and place it gently by my side.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 08:04 AM (jjvz+)

190 I have a high-school dropout cousin who worked in construction. Not the best job but he made enough to support his wife and kids -- until his city was flooded with illegals and his wages were cut in half. But don't worry, he was just pushed into a high-paying high-tech job. He's a software designer now. Oh wait, no. He didn't do any of that. Because he was a fucking high-school dropout and wasn't capable of switching careers at age 36. But don't worry. He's been on disability for 5 years now and probably will never hold a job again. So no problem. And it worked out great for him. Oh, except for his lack of self-worth and his wife leaving him and the fact that family rumor is he pretty much gets drunk every day now. But otherwise he's got a fucking great fucking life.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at July 12, 2013 08:04 AM (ZPrif)

191 Does anyone know if Bethany Hamilton had a bit part in Sharknado?

I know she had a part bit in Hawaii.

Posted by: no good deed at July 12, 2013 08:04 AM (WmLrU)

192 And EC, just think about Moriarty's trial.

Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 08:05 AM (LI48c)

193 Does anyone have that link to the survey of Hispanics on the issues that shows them supporting more government involvement down the line?

Posted by: imp at July 12, 2013 08:05 AM (GOSBh)

194 And if a large illegal population is supposed to do wonders to the economy, then why isn't CA richer than shit by now? By all accounts, every living soul in CA should be able to ski uphill by now. Posted by: EC Exactly right. California is the model for the rest of the country. VDH wrote about the direction the culture is going in California, as the 4-6 million wealthy coastal "elites" will live well, and the rest of the population (native and immigrants) in the interior of the state live as serfs. And California is the model in more ways than one. It reliably votes Democrat. Since the 1986 "amnesty".

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at July 12, 2013 08:05 AM (RFeQD)

195 I'd say, the'll pick a foreman pretty quick. Its women. And in a sane world, they'll have a vote, it'll be unanimous. They'll check a box, and Zim will be home by dinner. Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 11:58 AM (r98SZ) ... Have you ever seen a bunch of women trying to make a decision? Over/under for foreman pick? I have 32 days.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 12, 2013 08:05 AM (MJFVz)

196 Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN says that Defense's Oh really? Seriously? was very effective.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 08:05 AM (jjvz+)

197 We're back at the trial.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 12, 2013 08:05 AM (BAS5M)

198

179 -

Yes. Ramp it up, I expect better from you.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 08:05 AM (TOk1P)

199 State must have gone long on their two hours, so thats why it would be 23 min.

If the State wants to go long, I doubt Judge Nelson will cut them off.

Posted by: toby928© repeats himself at July 12, 2013 08:05 AM (codCi)

200 Alas, "cocksucker" has been de-fanged, as it were. "Buttfuck", has also lost a step.

Posted by: nip at July 12, 2013 08:06 AM (lGVXf)

201
Im not buying the "they all just want to come out of the shadows" bullshit.

Being in "the trades" I run across more than my fair share of illegals working on jobsites. I don't know about the nannies or the cooks and maids and farm work illegals..... but every single construction "illegal" that Ive had "the conversation" with..... would prefer to take their cash, not pay taxes, and travel back and forth across the border at will. They want things to stay the way they are.

FWIW.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 12, 2013 08:06 AM (nELVU)

202 Brooks is a horrible man and a house slave. He emits a visceral scent of fear and of course cannot detect the difference between a 'reactionary left' (which I guess means radical Marxist or national democratic socialist?) and a simple populist position.

Resistance to Amnesty is in this case a populist position (for most) and he has taken not the elitist position, but I would argue, the anti-populist one. The reason for this is because Brooks is unworthy of being an elite and not included in the current functional 'elite' (as a house slave) so while he gainsays the populist position as an elitist might, he does not make a positive case for anything; he does not make an actual case for excellence, beauty or truth concentrated in individuals as Roger Scruton might, because he is a nihilist.

Here is the elitist argument:

Amnesty is fine, but only for places where the interests of the wealthy or powerful will not be negatively impacted by the expected influx of workers that documenting them will inspire. Places whose leaders and wealthy feel they would benefit more from restricting the influx of non-native born should be permitted to do so.

For some of us, there is a need for cheap labor to replace native born workers (particularly blacks and second generation Hispanics) who are more costly to employ and less determined to work. The increase in crime from young Mexicans does not affect the areas where we live, while the impact of granting a large number of people legal status, politically, stands to be positive for us. Furthermore, the suppressing of wages for entry-level people could potentially reinvigorate a number of our investments, cutting costs and thereby increasing profits, which benefits our status.

Others may have differing opinions based on their particular investments and circumstances.

Posted by: RiverC, White Chocolate Emancipator at July 12, 2013 08:06 AM (El+h4)

203 Remember when Debra Nelson played "Big Tom" in Tommy Boy ? Good times, good times.

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2013 08:06 AM (UzPAd)

204 What does the power of heart have to do with anything?

Posted by: Methos at July 12, 2013 08:06 AM (hO9ad)

205 "A separate study by the American Action Forum found that it would increase per capita income by $1,700 after 10 years."

I don't accept their numbers - whoever that is - but, first, is that inflation adjusted dollars after projecting 10 years or just a fixed number after the dollar collapses? Whooptido. And doesn't that contradict Brooks' statement that wages will be driven down, just not at a worse rate from some other rosy scenario? Explain the contradiction.

Also, per capita income can be whatever; but what of per capita expense? Where is that number since so many of the low wage earners will, by necessity and current policy, be partial wards of the State?

Bullshit math from top to bottom. Net cost to the taxpayer will be increased which is to say the national debt will be accelerated down at an even faster rate. By then we'll be on a barter system so wages will be paid in toilet paper.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 12, 2013 08:06 AM (eHIJJ)

206 Over/under for foreman pick?
I have 32 days.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 12, 2013 12:05 PM (MJFVz)

Juuuuust long enough for their cycles to align.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 08:06 AM (4df7R)

207 Do they think the illegals HAVEN'T been utilizing services? Just because they're "in the shadows" doesn't mean they don't have to eat, sleep, drink, live somewhere, wear clothes, do laundry, etc, etc. Everything they add is quickly subtracted. Daddy works for cash, Mommy and kiddies live off the system. It's a good gig if you have no honor or integrity, it's the perfect situation. The rest of us get fucked.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 08:07 AM (XIxXP)

208 The moment they announce that a verdict has been reached, I will calmly adjourn to my bedroom to retrieve my XD 40 and place it gently by my side. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 12:04 PM (jjvz+) It's not already at your side? Oh, and you lost it in that boating accident right?

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 08:07 AM (GQ8sn)

209 oh so now TM is 'that child'

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 12, 2013 08:07 AM (8sCoq)

210 Guy already referring to Martin as a child

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 08:07 AM (jjvz+)

211 I have a high-school dropout cousin who worked in construction. Not the best job but he made enough to support his wife and kids -- until his city was flooded with illegals and his wages were cut in half. David Brooks can't even conceive of the existence of such people as your cousin.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 12, 2013 08:07 AM (T0NGe)

212 Overall, though, I can see an elitist argument against amnesty as well, though.

Posted by: RiverC, White Chocolate Emancipator at July 12, 2013 08:07 AM (El+h4)

213 RE: Trial

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Posted by: Serious Cat at July 12, 2013 08:07 AM (UypUQ)

214 Remember when Debra Nelson played "Big Tom" in Tommy Boy ? Good times, good times. Fat chick in small robe.

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 08:07 AM (GQ8sn)

215 Juuuuust long enough for their cycles to align.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 12:06 PM (4df7R)

aaaaaand that's the end of that sound-barrier-smashing-bunk-asplody time.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 12, 2013 08:08 AM (fwARV)

216 Remember when Debra Nelson played "Big Tom" in Tommy Boy ? Good times, good times.

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2013 12:06 PM (UzPAd)

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Fat man in a little robe....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 12, 2013 08:08 AM (nELVU)

217 Yeah, and it is like the argument that they don't contribute to high car insurance rates because they absolutely positively do not drink and drive. Oh, really, those Mexican lawn guys I see in the QuickTrip buying 24 packs of cold beer and then slamming down 2 or 3 12 oz beers before they leave the parking lot are not drinking and driving.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 12:04 PM (kXoT0)

Clearly the numbnuts never cast even a casual glance at the police blotter, where they can see the list of oh-so-Canadian names: Martinez, Hernandez, Consuelo, Gutierrez (always a popular one), etc...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 08:08 AM (4df7R)

218 TM=child

Posted by: BignJames at July 12, 2013 08:08 AM (Sg0G/)

219 By then we'll be on a barter system so wages will be paid in toilet paper.

If toilet paper isn't banned to Save Teh Planet.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 12, 2013 08:08 AM (/kI1Q)

220 Guy is clearly going for the Southern Baptist minister vibe.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 08:08 AM (jjvz+)

221 Juuuuust long enough for their cycles to align.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 12:06 PM (4df7R)

If she bleeds, she leads (the jury). Easy Peasy.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 12, 2013 08:08 AM (BAS5M)

222 I've ruthlessly made fun of many people. That woman is so tough and so talented, it's just not in me to be flippant about her.

ISWYDT

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] . An Observation at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (ylhEn)

223 "Buttfuck", has also lost a step.

Posted by: nip at July 12, 2013 12:06 PM (lGVXf)

Flip it around. "Fuckbutter." It sounds simultaneously crude AND fattening.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (4df7R)

224 Thought for the day: If Zimmerman's gun had been a vagina, he'd have been fucked.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (Hx5uv)

225 WTF?

Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 2m

Prosecutor Guy: "The human heart, it has a great many functions... It moves us, it motivates us, it inspires us..."

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (codCi)

226 "They need to feel that Republicans respect their ethnic and cultural identity."

Um, no. And f*ck that noise. You respect American ethnic and cultural identity. The United States isn't a flophouse.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (eHIJJ)

227 Yes, fiscal estimates from the CBO are Complete Bullshit Only!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/i][/b][/s] at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (eFLi6)

228 David Brooks can't even conceive of the existence of such people as your cousin. **** His dungarees aren't creased sharp enough.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (jjvz+)

229 Brooks is an idiot. It is people like him, John McCain, Mitch Romney (and now Marco Rubio) that caused me to leave the Rino party. Maybe IT IS time for a new constitutional party.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (Eq2MX)

230 "The human heart, it has a great many functions... It moves us, it motivates us, it inspires us..."

SCIENCE!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 12, 2013 08:09 AM (/kI1Q)

231 "What was in Traytables heart?" A bullit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 08:10 AM (XIxXP)

232 And EC, just think about Moriarty's trial. Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 12:05 PM (LI48c) Oh ok, I wasn't sure what you were getting at. Did you ever see that movie called, "Runaway Jury"? A guy subtly manipulates the jury and tries to sell his access for $10 million.

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 08:10 AM (GQ8sn)

233 OMG! He's making this out to be some creepy child stalking incident.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 08:10 AM (jjvz+)

234 yes, while TM was beating the shit out of Zim, I'm sure he was sore afraid

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 12, 2013 08:10 AM (8sCoq)

235 Juuuuust long enough for their cycles to align.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 12:06 PM (4df7R)

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Heh..... been my experience that ya'alls "cycles" do not "align".

They smash together scattering debris, shrapnel and mayhem everywhere.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 12, 2013 08:10 AM (nELVU)

236 TM was a four year old child, apparently. Afraid of boogeymen in the dark following him home.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 12, 2013 08:10 AM (BAS5M)

237 224 "Buttfuck", has also lost a step.
Posted by: nip at July 12, 2013 12:06 PM (lGVXf)

Flip it around. "Fuckbutter." It sounds simultaneously crude AND fattening.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 12:09 PM (4df7R)

BUCK FUTTER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dT02XNRCx4

Posted by: Sean Connery at July 12, 2013 08:10 AM (LI48c)

238
Shorter version of State's case:

Trayvon's ❤ == 👍

Zimmerman's ❤ == 👎

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 12, 2013 08:10 AM (UypUQ)

239 He's making this out to be some creepy child stalking incident. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 12:10 PM (jjvz+) The more outrageous he makes it, the better for GM....IMHO.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 12, 2013 08:11 AM (X6akg)

240 Closing arguments in movies and TV shows are way better

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 12, 2013 08:11 AM (8sCoq)

241 "Fuckbutter." It sounds simultaneously crude AND fattening. I think you can buy that at the adult book store.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 12, 2013 08:11 AM (XIxXP)

242 They should have used the third attorney in this final rebuttal. Don't know his name but he argued most (if not all) of the 3rd degree murder based on child abuse. He's the more convincing of the three lawyers.

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 08:11 AM (r98SZ)

243 Nood Zimmerman thread

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 12, 2013 08:12 AM (X6akg)

244 170 Can anyone tell me whether Judge Debra Nelson is married? When Zimmerman is declared guilty, she'll pump her fist into the air. At that point, we may be able to see a wedding band.

Posted by: edj[/i] at July 12, 2013 08:12 AM (9Ko7L)

245 I'd say, the'll pick a foreman pretty quick. Its women.

***

It's not like they have to decide on a pair of shoes.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 12, 2013 08:12 AM (Hx5uv)

246 Digital jury form Like for Zimmerman Share for Trayvon.

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 08:13 AM (r98SZ)

247 Creepy minister vibe

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 12, 2013 08:13 AM (jjvz+)

248

Ok ladies, the six of you sitting on that jury have an opportunity to move feminism forward, in ways that 50 years of feminazi propaganda has not:

Reject this appeal by the prosecution to have your "maternal instincts" trump the facts of this case. Return a "not guilty" verdict on any/all counts, and take about 10 minutes to do it.

The world will be a better place. Will you do it?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 12, 2013 08:13 AM (TOk1P)

249 It's not like they have to decide on a pair of shoes. Posted by: WalrusRex at July 12, 2013 12:12 PM (Hx5uv) What shoes go with a verdict reading?

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 08:14 AM (GQ8sn)

250

Prosecutor calling Zimmerman a repeat liar, about the important things the case hinges on. He's trying to destroy Z.

Z's reaction: Stone face. Thought bubble must be - you are so fucking dead.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 12, 2013 08:14 AM (BAS5M)

251 He lied? It's a perjury case?

Posted by: BignJames at July 12, 2013 08:15 AM (Sg0G/)

252

The arguments against conservative immigration reform are in the same vein as the arguments used in the fight against conservative welfare reform.

The elitists insist that jobs will go unfilled by citizens and hurt the economy because they are jobs Americans don't want to do. In the welfare reform fight the argument was that former welfare recepients would be starving in the streets.

Both arguments use scare tactics and one was proven false just like the other one would be.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2013 08:15 AM (m2CN7)

253 What shoes go with a verdict reading?

Posted by: EC at July 12, 2013 12:14 PM (GQ8sn)

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Track spikes..... if acquittal.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 12, 2013 08:15 AM (nELVU)

254 What saddens me is to realize that after knowingly trying to have an innocent man sent to prison for the rest of his life, win or lose, the prosecution will go home and sleep just fine.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 12, 2013 08:16 AM (codCi)

255 Plus, this bill radically increases the number of high-skilled immigrants. Y'know, I could go along with this if each and every lack wit pundit and commentator currently employed in U. S. media was purposely displaced by these high-skilled immigrants. The product wouldn't get better - on the contrary, it'd get worse - but then tools like Brooks and his ilk could either face prolonged funemployment or they could seek their fortunes overseas. Turnabout, fair play and all that...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/i][/b][/s] at July 12, 2013 08:16 AM (xm1Dn)

256 New Thread Up

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 12, 2013 08:16 AM (kXoT0)

257 The banality of evil.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 12, 2013 08:16 AM (codCi)

258 Zim gets off, looks over at the judge and says "can I get my gun back?".

Posted by: UWP at July 12, 2013 08:17 AM (r98SZ)

259 "Clearly the numbnuts never cast even a casual glance at the police blotter, where they can see the list of oh-so-Canadian names: Martinez, Hernandez, Consuelo, Gutierrez (always a popular one), etc... Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 12:08 PM"

You clearly live near the Lowell/Lawrence border, don't you?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 12, 2013 08:17 AM (knoK7)

260

"Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born political/media/financial class who are of course the only category of people I ever deign to acknowledge." D. Brooks

Posted by: Croaker at July 12, 2013 08:17 AM (uHiz2)

261 List of things an illegal can buy if they are legalized:
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By golly it will destroy the faux documents industry.
Or will that industry increase due to more illegals later?

They will be able to become 'consumers' of even more government services! That will likely increase total goods and services exchanged. This will also lead (at least in the short term) to increased sales treasury bills, maybe?

Any way don't worry about. Lie back and enjoy. You'll feel better later.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 12, 2013 08:17 AM (eEfYn)

262 253 The arguments against conservative immigration reform are in the same vein as the arguments used in the fight against conservative welfare reform.

The elitists insist that jobs will go unfilled by citizens and hurt the economy because they are jobs Americans don't want to do. In the welfare reform fight the argument was that former welfare recepients would be starving in the streets.

Both arguments use scare tactics and one was proven false just like the other one would be.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2013 12:15 PM (m2CN7)

And the two phony arguments blatantly contradict each other.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 08:20 AM (ujg0T)

263 It is people like him, John McCain, Mitch Romney (and now Marco Rubio) that caused me to leave the Rino party.Maybe IT IS time for a new constitutional party.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at July 12, 2013 12:09 PM (Eq2MX)

If you are basing it on immigration reform positions and actions regard to illegal immigrants, you misplaced your anger at Romney. He was tough as a governor illegal immigration and his positions as a candidate was even tougher. He defeated the Dream Act for MA while governor while my governor Perry was an advocate.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2013 08:21 AM (m2CN7)

264 And the two phonyarguments blatantly contradict each other.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 12:20 PM (ujg0T)

exactly and they shamelessly don't care.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2013 08:23 AM (m2CN7)

265

#264: THIS. Even though he was a RINO on other issues, Mitt was hard on illegal aliens, and in fact the GOP Greedhead establishment disowned him as a result. See also Wilson, Pete. The California GOP never recovered.

There is more than one way to be a RINO, I guess. And some RINO issues (abortion) are a lot less damaging than others (immigration).

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 08:24 AM (ujg0T)

266 Remember, Brooks and his ilk feel like they are irreplaceable. So highly skilled workers will also drive down wages for the people who are part of the technician class, which he views himself as 'above'.

Posted by: RiverC, White Chocolate Emancipator at July 12, 2013 08:25 AM (El+h4)

267 aaaaaand that's the end of that sound-barrier-smashing-bunk-asplody time.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 12, 2013 12:08 PM (fwARV)

*pats you on the back* There there. You need the fresh air anyway.

Would it help if I said the judge is a fat hag with a face like the ass-end of a dyspeptic toad and the jurisprudence of a stoned goat?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 08:25 AM (4df7R)

268 There is more than one way to be a RINO, I guess. And some RINO issues (abortion) are a lot less damaging than others (immigration).

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 12:24 PM (ujg0T)

If the RINOs on abortion were down in the Texas legislature supporting those yelling "Hail Satan" they would be pretty damaged too.

Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 08:27 AM (LI48c)

269 You clearly live near the Lowell/Lawrence border, don't you?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 12, 2013 12:17 PM (knoK7)

HAH! No, thank God. But 90% of the time when there's a crime in NH, the crooks are from Lowell, Lawrence or Peabody.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 12, 2013 08:27 AM (4df7R)

270 Build the fence, build it Cartel High, Dependent High, and Burglar Strong.

Dump the Income Tax, Institute National Sales Tax.

Don't let them OUT until they Pay. Their. Fair. Share.

Posted by: Lazlo at July 12, 2013 08:29 AM (CeuCu)

271 irongrampa: "...Secure the Border and ENFORCE EXISTING LAW.

Again, why is this so difficult to comprehend?"

Because it would work and that's the last thing the State wants. They comprehend just fine. It's just completely at odds with rational, independent, taxpaying citizens. That is the population they wish to restrict.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 12, 2013 08:29 AM (eHIJJ)

272 "Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born. They do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs." So right out of High School... what non-entry-level job does one get? Oh, it only punishes the youth? Well ok, they only lose out on their first job. Their 2nd job that they can't get to because they didn't get their first job will be good. Cut the bottom several runs off the ladder and people will climb faster? What sort of idiot ... oh Brooks. Never mind.

Posted by: gekkobear at July 12, 2013 08:29 AM (w/ZKO)

273

I'm guessing David liked the crease of an immigrant's pants and thought, "He'll be a very good immigrant, therefore I conclude amnesty is the way to go."

Posted by: sans_sheriff at July 12, 2013 08:31 AM (yQlfW)

274 269 There is more than one way to be a RINO, I guess. And some RINO issues (abortion) are a lot less damaging than others (immigration).
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 12:24 PM (ujg0T)

If the RINOs on abortion were down in the Texas legislature supporting those yelling "Hail Satan" they would be pretty damaged too.

Posted by: buzzion at July 12, 2013 12:27 PM (LI48c)

It may depend upon the state. Pete Wilson basically told the California Pro-Life Activists that they were like Don Quixotes tilting at the "bill mill" here in California, and he was right. We can't even get *parental notification for minor* laws passed here, after THREE citizen initiatives, and CA went abortion-on-demand in 1967, under then Governor Reagan no less.

But Wilson understood what would happen to California if the immigration issue was not addressed, and the opportunistic Greedheads and immigration romantic Hispandering fools in the GOP did not.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 08:33 AM (ujg0T)

275 Would it help if I said the judge is a fat hag with a face like the ass-end of a dyspeptic toad and the jurisprudence of a stoned goat?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 12:25 PM (4df7R)

I mean, it's a start.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 12, 2013 08:33 AM (fwARV)

276 One of the many things at stake here is the loss of the essentially "WASP-like" character of the American national identity. Now this identity can actually be expanded to fit non- white (and has), non-Anglo-Saxon (and has), and non-Protestant (and has)--and even homosexual identity--but there are certain things it just simply will never be able to accompdate without flying apart at the seams, and I think this is rapidly becoming the story of our times, for it is being told it must. Massive amnesty based essentially upon "social justice" and the race card, with welfare to follow, is one of those I do not think the national ethic can survive adopting as a principle. I do not say the nation cannot survive it (though there is substantial room for doubt), I say the WASP-like character of the land cannot survive it. And them there's fightin' words. I say "no" to Brooks. And longer term, I am not sure reconciliation of viewpoints between the two sides is entirely possible. The best case scenario that may occur is '47-'48. Respect is a two-way street.

Posted by: T. at July 12, 2013 08:47 AM (Xr5yw)

277 I am bloody sick of hearing about immigration and amnesty. The problem in this country is government, the problem is our growing social safety hammock and our lack of manufacuring jobs. Do we have an immigration problem? Hell yes we do, but the root of the problem is us and our social spending.
Yes we need to build a wall and a moat. hell fill it with sharks, whatever. but the basic problem is us.

oh yeah he republican party can go take a flying leap

Posted by: Dandalo at July 12, 2013 08:48 AM (0XBx+)

278

#278: You import more people likely to partake of social spending, and what do you expect to happen?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 08:58 AM (ujg0T)

279 "HAH! No, thank God. But90% of the time when there's a crime in NH, the crooks are from Lowell, Lawrence or Peabody. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 12, 2013 12:27 PM"

You forgot Lynn.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 12, 2013 08:59 AM (knoK7)

280 "They need to feel that Republicans respect their ethnic and cultural identity."

These are things to be practiced either in private or limited company. America should not be obligated to deferential to the customs of its immigrants, rather, immigrants here are obligated to accommodate America's customs when they come into contact with them. If they can't or won't do that, then the solution is simple - go home.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 12, 2013 09:20 AM (9+PGS)

281 Drew,
David Brooks is not a Republican. At a minimum he is a RINO, at maximum, he is a product of the the dim's operation Chaos, to plant closet progressives in the Republican party, like McShame and Rubeo.

Posted by: Greg Hall at July 12, 2013 09:21 AM (FmyWU)

282 If David Brooks is a conservative then I'm Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at July 12, 2013 09:33 AM (DoZD+)

283 All you have to do to get a higher birthrate ( that's the solution, right? ) is to stop the federal funding of abortion. Problem solved, now enforce the border.

Posted by: jerry's kid at July 12, 2013 09:39 AM (f9yTl)

284 "All you have to do to get a higher birthrate ( that's the solution, right? ) is to stop the federal funding of abortion."

Seems to me prosperity would be the key. Bearing and raising kids takes a fair amount of $$$.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 12, 2013 09:43 AM (9+PGS)

285 There will be open warfare in South Central LA is amnesty passes. The Black people already say the Hispanic gangs engage in ethnic cleansing of the area.

Posted by: PJ at July 12, 2013 10:20 AM (ZWaLo)

286 "Conservatives say they want to reduce illegal immigration. The Senate bill spends huge amounts of money to secure the border. According to the C.B.O., the bill would reduce illegal immigration by somewhere between 33 percent to 50 percent."

We could reduce illegal immigration to zero simply by allowing anyone to immigrate to the U.S., but I don't think that's what most people have in mind when they talk about "reducing illegal immigration."

Posted by: Joshua at July 12, 2013 11:25 AM (oCZ4e)

287 cheap labor means higher profits. You want higher profits ? and HAIL SATAN ? just saying it makes people happy. try it nothing bad will happen

Posted by: occam at July 12, 2013 12:26 PM (fbUla)

288 285 "All you have to do to get a higher birthrate ( that's the solution, right? ) is to stop the federal funding of abortion."

Seems to me prosperity would be the key. Bearing and raising kids takes a fair amount of $$$.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 12, 2013 01:43 PM (9+PGS)

Google "Affordable Family Formation". The areas that have it, vote republican. The ones that do not, vote Democrat, or even Commiecrat. The author, Steve Sailer, hits the nail on the head.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 12, 2013 12:46 PM (ujg0T)

289 Have you noticed how easily the morons and ettes on this blog site get easily distracted by the latest "News de jeur," effectively moving our attention from really is important. We're doomed.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at July 12, 2013 01:16 PM (Eq2MX)

290

Unforutanely Perry is my governor also. I can honestly say that I haven't voted for him in years, even thosgh in all of those elections he was the lesser of two evils. As a result I voted for "none of the above." We have troubles in this state, and Perry is not the answer.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at July 12, 2013 01:22 PM (Eq2MX)

291 Calling himself a "conservative" doesn't make him one.

Posted by: Seriouserandseriouser at July 12, 2013 05:04 PM (Q53k6)

292 "Low-skilled immigrants donÂ’t directly compete with the native-born. They do entry-level work, create wealth and push natives into better jobs." if they don't compete with native born, how do they push native born into better jobs, which one presumes, were previously occupying the jobs they "don't compete with." Those two sentences, taken together are self-contradictory. Another way of looking at it is they displace "native-born" from entry-level work. Does the displacement make the native born more skillful? If they are already doing the highest skilled labor they are capiable of, where do those native-born get displaced to? Unemployment. Alternately, the immigrants are left on unemployment. If all other things are equal, 50/50. If the "immigrants are cheaper because of Obamacare" logic holds, then that would shift in the immigrant's favor. A greater market for consuming services, such as public school, with special needs (language barrier) who are not likely to make, in the first generation, enough money to pay back the services they consume, rather, they increase the cost of government, which consumes money either though borrowing, taxes, or the printing press.. reducing the value of the money people have or the amount they get to keep, restricting capital which could be used for real growth.. The general analysis is that the country will grow slightly less than it otherwise would have, but because a 1/10th of a percentage point of growth over 100 years is worth the entire present size of the economy, their pro-growth argument MUST BE airtight vs the status quo, otherwise we should ignore them entirely. As the largest pool of immigrants would be carrying leftist notions of government with them, likely voting in politicians who share their views, the odds they'd sway growth in a negative direction is even greater. Likewise, low birth weight has nothing to do with Americans vs the rest of the world, it's a combination of advanced wealth, the relatively high cost of having children, our views on future prospects, and the relative cheapness of avoiding pregnancy. A group of people who support the death of 50 million people via abortion since the 1970s really don't get to claim that Americans can't have enough children. It's more that we don't. So that argument is also trash. Really, why is he even talking?

Posted by: davem at July 12, 2013 05:10 PM (wmzCM)

293 The pseudoconservatives and Congressional clowns trip over each other to get in front of a camera so they can "look smart." The way to deal with them is to give them what they don't want: make them look stupid by lampooning them. I've done this with a skit called "Lindsey Graham's Brain."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPM2DsX7F_4

Posted by: Mark at July 12, 2013 05:26 PM (d3lA0)

294

I for one, wish to tear down the faÃ§ade of current Race Relations with African Americans. The Race Baited "WOo IS ME" doctrine....must end NOW!!

Your Pom-Pom girls AKA..SHARPTON an that King of RACE BAITING SLIME....check it out!! I FORGET THAT POS's NAME!!!! OOooHHH!

Now I remember....."Jesse the Pimp" Jackson....

You wanna hang with "THAT????"

SEROIUS???....then your bad brothers......your bad.

Posted by: Richard...who cares at July 15, 2013 09:16 PM (IILi0)

295

I do not have "White Guilt!'

Piss on all you Bleeding Hearts and the failure of your Shrinks to drug you into some sense of reality.......die with your failed ethos and know your efforts were......pathetic on a scale most absolute and putrid in the annals of Mankind.

How we, that know even tolerate your breathing the same air at this point is a statement to our collective tolerance.....but even tolerance has a finite limit.

DON'T PUSH TOO FAR............

Posted by: Richard...who cares at July 15, 2013 09:58 PM (IILi0)

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