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November 03, 2013

AP highlights another teabagging whiner's complaints of cancelation
— Purple Avenger

Anecdotal I'm sure. An isolated case. Nothing to be concerned about.

Dean Griffin liked the health insurance he purchased for himself and his wife three years ago and thought he'd be able to keep the plan even after the federal Affordable Care Act took effect.

Flounder, you effed up...

But the 64-year-old recently received a letter notifying him the plan was being canceled because it didn't cover certain benefits required under the law...

Oh, wait...what was the plural of anecdotal again? It just slipped my mind. Ah yes, now I remember -- DATA. The plural of anecdotal is called DATA.

...The Griffins are among millions of people nationwide who buy individual insurance policies and are receiving notices...

Shit DATA happens

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 10:54 AM | Comments (179)
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1 Cool! The link you're using goes straight to the 0BamaCare website! Now I can FINALLY sign up!

Posted by: Anchor Baby who BRINGS IT at November 03, 2013 10:57 AM (xehjI)

2 Broken Link? And first?

Posted by: Scanner Dan at November 03, 2013 10:57 AM (T4Ab6)

3 Those were junk plans. You should be thanking us.

Posted by: Jay Carney at November 03, 2013 10:58 AM (OP1M9)

4 I've been cast down with the sodomites too. Individual BC/BS plan. I have changed the renewal date to November, which buys me another year. Insurance agent said that as of now, there are no options for me in the federal exchange for Virginia except HMO's. But if business continues to be bad under Obama's reign, I might qualify for a subsidy. Just want I wanted, to be a welfare case.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 03, 2013 10:58 AM (l3vZN)

5 OK. Second

Posted by: Scanner Dan at November 03, 2013 10:58 AM (T4Ab6)

6 The GOP soon will push Amnesty and we will then hear the ice start to crack.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 10:58 AM (AO9UG)

7 Dean is probably a racist homophobe. Hell, he probably doesn't even deserve his freedom of choosing his own policy because, if he did, he would know he ought to let the beneficent ruling clique make his decisions for him. The fact that he's whining is proof he doesn't know what's best for him,

Posted by: MTF at November 03, 2013 10:59 AM (F58x4)

8 thank god I'm going on Medicare...sucks 2B the rest of you.

Posted by: carol at November 03, 2013 11:00 AM (XIF5G)

9 Every time an Obamabot gets its cancellation notice and goes, "Oh shit!", an angel gets its wings.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 03, 2013 11:00 AM (0HooB)

10 Link fixed

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 03, 2013 11:02 AM (fZ2Zr)

11 So what?

Posted by: Sebelius the Baby Killer at November 03, 2013 11:02 AM (O7OxF)

12 His old policy probably didn't include pediatric dental care and maternity care. Substandard. He should be grateful he can get a better plan now thanks to Obama.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at November 03, 2013 11:03 AM (P6QsQ)

13 I've got to take a data, wish me well that everything comes out ok.

Posted by: hammer meet nail at November 03, 2013 11:04 AM (EMtVt)

14 Guess they were so tied down in NSA metadata that HHS data escaped them.

Posted by: Karusky at November 03, 2013 11:05 AM (wtCU5)

15 Weasel Zippers has a list of essential services that have to be included under Obamacare. Half of them make no sense for certain segments of the population.

Posted by: Mama winger on her iPad at November 03, 2013 11:06 AM (P6QsQ)

Jinx, I'm with you. Right now my plan is to go without insurance for the first time in my life, and put the wife on the now-tripled-in-price-for-less private plan that replaces our previous plan. I will not even go on the state "exchange" to check on eligibility for welfare. Die on your feet vs. cower on your knees sort of thing.

But again - I seriously doubt even THIS gigantic, concrete, indefensible assault on millions of peoples' pocketbooks and freedom will result in any meaningful political fallout. Meaningful. As in, not just a bloodbath of historic proportions as 2010 was for the Dems - but a bloodbath that leads to any change (as 2010 did not). If people don't have the tools and framework to understand their predicament, then their ideas for fixes will have only a random chance of being effective or sensible.

A giant GOP wave in 2014 would not surprise - but any meaningful reversal of the broad degredation of the country, or the rule of lawlessness, or the devolution of representative "government" into raw rent-seeking and self-dealing and corruption in a way not seen since government got large enough to matter that much? Nah.

Posted by: non-purist at November 03, 2013 11:07 AM (afQnV)

17 My how times change. My wife and I discussed me getting a job because I am bored. Now we discussed me getting a job to pay for our insurance. It hasn't went up yet, but it doesn't take nostrafkndamus to see it coming. We could see a landslide in 2014 if the GOP don't FK it up. If, If my uncle were my aunt she wouldn't have a dick.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:08 AM (XIxXP)

18 They are admitting now the goal was to destroy the individual market. The insurance companies must have know this would happen. Guess they were ok with it at some level. Perhaps they were ok with sacrificing 5-10% of their market to save the rest.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 11:08 AM (ZPrif)

19 6 The GOP soon will push Amnesty and we will then hear the ice start to crack. Posted by: eman

Geez, this is a nervous tic with you. Give it a rest.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:08 AM (6TB1Z)

20 Not. Just. Individual. Plans.

Posted by: Lauren at November 03, 2013 11:09 AM (hFL/3)

21 The insurance companies must have know this would happen. Really? I would bet the Gov lied to them too.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:10 AM (XIxXP)

22 19 6 The GOP soon will push Amnesty and we will then hear the ice start to crack. Posted by: eman Geez, this is a nervous tic with you. Give it a rest. Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 03:08 PM (6TB1Z) No.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:10 AM (AO9UG)

23 I'd like to see a 2-tier system.

First tier: you voted for Obama-sucks to be you. You get OCare full force.

2nd tier: you voted Republican. Yes, eman, Republican-the party that provided not a single vote for this POS. You folks don't have to have anything to do with OCare. The law does not apply to you.

The Dems would never win another election. '14 and '16 aren't looking to good for them as it is.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:11 AM (6TB1Z)

24 64-year-old Dean Griffin thought he could just slink thru life without getting maternity coverage, huh? Racist!

Posted by: t-bird at November 03, 2013 11:12 AM (FcR7P)

25 My cancelled plan was the most expensive, premium once offered by my insurer. I paid extra to have a low deductible PPO with low cost specialty care. The new Obamacare plans are all HMOs with double the premium, double the deductible, and sharply higher costs for specialty care. For all the things I care about, the new Obamacare plan is markedly inferior to what I have now. And, I estimate, based on my avg annual medical usage, will cost me 3-5x more out of pocket. Worse, I have no idea yet if the doctors I see are included in the Obamacare HMOs. I've called my doctors -- they don't even know. There is massive confusion at this stage.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 11:12 AM (ZPrif)

26 Does Ezekial Emmanual remind anyone other than me of Josef Mengele.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:13 AM (XIxXP)

The insurance companies must have know this would happen.

Didn't the Lizard Lady, the one with the Mao Xmas ornaments, say as much a few years back?

Why would any government want to destroy an entire industry (and a heavily regulated one at that) that employs a large number of people? /rhetorical

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 03, 2013 11:13 AM (0HooB)

28 Look assholes, in life there are winners and losers....

We are winners, losers.

//Vote D for Democrats

Posted by: sven10077 at November 03, 2013 11:13 AM (9jfyN)

29 A Republican let ObamaCare escape from committee to the Floor. Her vote put us here, pep.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:13 AM (AO9UG)

30 "Perhaps they were ok with sacrificing 5-10% of their market to save the rest."

You really think a vast amount of employers are going to stay with providing insurance? When the financial incentive to pay the fine/"tax" is better then providing insurance, I don't think many will do it.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 03, 2013 11:13 AM (IV4od)

31 What happened to the billion dollars california was given to market obomacare?

Posted by: Kreplach at November 03, 2013 11:14 AM (F05dQ)

32 29 eman at November 03, 2013 03:13 PM (AO9UG)

Fuck Olympic Snowe...

which about 65 years ago would have made her what 40 and perhaps not unthinkable...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 03, 2013 11:14 AM (9jfyN)

33 which about 65 years ago would have made her what 40 and perhaps not unthinkable... Posted by: sven10077 at November 03, 2013 03:14 PM (9jfyN) Perhaps

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:15 AM (XIxXP)

34 I particularly enjoy the anecdata stories from OBot voters. Each one recharges my schadenboner, which I expect to last for over 4 months.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 03, 2013 11:16 AM (wNF3N)

35 We need to sign up about 49 thousand people a day. In 30 days, we've signed up 6. Close enough for government work.

Posted by: Sebelius the Baby Killer at November 03, 2013 11:16 AM (O7OxF)

36 I'm not leaving the insurance cos. blameless. I specifically called mine months before I was cancelled to ask about changes that would occur due to Obamacare. At the time I thought I was just going to have pay more cause I thought I was grandfathered (a fair reading of the law says I would be) so I didn't ask specific enough questions I guess. Reality is the clerk I talked with probably didn't even know what was going to happen. He told me I shouldn't expect any major changes due to Obamacare. A few months later I was cancelled.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 11:16 AM (ZPrif)

My guess is the insurance companies looked at Obamacare and said we're screwed, at which they tried to pick the option less painful for them.

Posted by: Harry at November 03, 2013 11:17 AM (ao2LR)

38 34 GnuBreed at November 03, 2013 03:16 PM (wNF3N)

It's a good thing I'm a Moron...the 3 year schadenboner won't drain enough blood I look dumber than normal

Posted by: sven10077 at November 03, 2013 11:17 AM (9jfyN)

39 Hey you idiots, I don't see anything wrong with killing a baby while it's being born. You really think I care about anybody who lost their insurance?

Posted by: Sebelius the Baby Killer at November 03, 2013 11:18 AM (O7OxF)

40 36 Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 03:16 PM (ZPrif)

The dickholes were bought off with the captive audience stick to wield and the carrot of AIG style bailouts....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 03, 2013 11:18 AM (9jfyN)

41 At the time the Dems had full control of DC, with a supermajority in the Senate. They were threatening the insurance cos with single payer, just a complete obliteration of 100% of their business.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 11:19 AM (ZPrif)

42 Perhaps they were ok with sacrificing 5-10% of their market to save the rest.

Its a low margin high overhead segment of their business. Losing it wouldn't be that big a deal unless it was the only insurance market you were in.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 03, 2013 11:19 AM (fZ2Zr)

43 "If you like it, you can keep it" truly is the biggest lie in American history. The double down of we had to lie to you to get it passed because you are too stupid to know what's good for you is even more despicable.

Posted by: no good deed at November 03, 2013 11:19 AM (k55Fc)

44 I read the article, and as far as I can tell, we are not told for whom who anyone in the anecdotes voted. However, the first two are from Philly, on the Delaware border, and Austin, TX. Coincidence? I think not.

Her vote put us here, pep.

My statement stands.

Look, my point is that things are looking up for us now. OCare is an unmitigated disaster, and is unfixable. This will not play out to the Dems advantage. If you've been on this site for awhile, and I know you have, then you also know that I take a back seat to nobody in opposing amnesty, but your gloom and pessimism at a time when we're winning doesn't help the cause of defeating amnesty. That is what you want, right?

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:19 AM (6TB1Z)

45 The dog that isn't barking here, so far, is the Dems aren't threatening price controls to limit these huge increases in premiums and deductibles.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 11:20 AM (ZPrif)

46 Too bad so many individual plan holders are getting canceled because it creates a smokescreen that ObamaCare(tm) is suppossed to help those who cannot get a group plan - it is not, it is a tax aimed at getting grannies life savings (she saved up decades for that new hip she knew she was going to need someday) and redistributing it in the form of EBTs for malt liquor.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2013 11:20 AM (80R0X)

47 Meanwhile, Mitt Romney (L)oser, went on the television today to talk up 'repairing' ObamaCare. Fortunately I hit the remote before I hit the television with a well-thrown object. I want a 'select' Senate committee to investigate why Doctors and health care providers are moving en mass to Texas. Ted Cruz, got some time to throw a committee together?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 03, 2013 11:21 AM (U2UQk)

48 Watch out for a Grand Bargain that rolls the budget, ObamaCare, and the debt ceiling all into a simple, heavily barbed suppository. If you like your lube, you can keep it.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:21 AM (AO9UG)

49 what do you need anecdotes for? Did you swallow poison?

Posted by: Joe Biden, Elder Statesman at November 03, 2013 11:21 AM (bJm7W)

pep, you may be right about the tic thing. But for one I cannot get over the very idea that, amidst the ongoing depression, fiscal insanity, and federal lawlessness/scandals now too numerous to list (and they are not trivial - some, like the IRS scandal, are arguably the biggest domestic scandals in US history), the GOP would do anything but explode with derision and outrage at the idea of amnesty. Instead? The truly jaw-droppingly unbelievably stupid and offensive Rubio shit, and Paul Ryan beclowning himself and re-branding as a minor fund-raising functionary for the Chamber.

Now I assume that the GOP has been, or soon will be, scared off of the unbelievably stupid, inexcusable, and offensive idea of amnesty. But they were scared off. That they even gave it a moment's thought, to me, is very revealing. And not in a good way.

Then again, soon enough various commenters will be along to correct me, since the immigration system is "broken" because typical bureaucratic snafus affect some legal immigrants, and it takes more than 6 weeks to get your CR-1 after marrying a 19-yr old Ukrainian 40 years your junior, or something.

But eman may be wrong in one regard. I doubt the "ice would break" even if the astonishing outrage of amnesty were advanced. I don't think we get a Democratic Party, or a GOP, or a state of the country like we've got, with an electorate that really has any effective limits to the degradation and punishment it will accept or inflict on itself. The smart and responsible people are vastly outnumbered (an no, not by the "FSA"), and there is no escape from the pernicious cycles that situation sets up.

Posted by: non-purist at November 03, 2013 11:22 AM (afQnV)

51 There are a lot of things wrong with Obamacare, such as, you know, its very existence. Yet, even as bad as we knew it was going to be, it still continues to defy expectations. Simple common sense never entered into the arena. Classifying pregnancy as an illness (essentially), thus permitting the under-30 crowd not to purchase maternity coverage, but requiring it for folks like me, is beyond asinine. It's one-size-fits-all coverage, except for those who might need to use it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 03, 2013 11:22 AM (DmNpO)

52 " Too bad so many individual plan holders are getting canceled because it creates a smokescreenthat ObamaCare(tm) is suppossed to help those whocannot get a group plan - it is not, it is a tax aimed at gettinggrannies life savings (she saved up decades for that new hip she knew she was going to need someday) and redistributing it in the form of EBTs for malt liquor. Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2013 03:20 PM (80R0" Group plans are being canceled too. The media just isn't talking about it.

Posted by: Lauren at November 03, 2013 11:23 AM (hFL/3)

53 Worse, I have no idea yet if the doctors I see are included in the Obamacare HMOs. Pay attention. If the doctors were born in the United States, then they are not included. If they've been in this country less than 5 days and can't speak one word of English, then yes, they are included. "As the Secretary may direct."

Posted by: Sebelius the Baby Killer at November 03, 2013 11:23 AM (O7OxF)

54 Whenever heavily regulated utilities increase their monthly rate by 5%, the Dems are quick to threaten price controls. Yet here the insurance premiums are jumping 2-3x in a single year, and the Dems aren't saying shit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 11:24 AM (ZPrif)

The dog that isn't barking here, so far, is the Dems aren't threatening price controls to limit these huge increases in premiums and deductibles.

But the one that is, is requiring doctors to treat Medicaid patients. Drudge had it earlier.

Woof.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 03, 2013 11:24 AM (0HooB)

56 @47

What he said was: "right way to replace Obamacare is to elect Republicans to the Senate and the House and, ultimately, the White House and repair Obamacare, replace it, and put in place something thatÂ’s going to do a better job"

That seems pretty unambiguous to me.

He also said Obama lied (didn't tell the truth) and had he done so, OCare would not have passed. He's right on both counts.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:24 AM (6TB1Z)

57 45 The dog that isn't barking here, so far, is the Dems aren't threatening price controls to limit these huge increases in premiums and deductibles.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe

Actually, they are. Today, a candidate in VA for State Senate called for forcing doctors to participate in Medicare and Medicaid. That's price controls by another name.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:26 AM (6TB1Z)

58 OT, but that Superman / Batman video in the sidebar is pretty funny.

Posted by: Blacksheep at November 03, 2013 11:26 AM (bS6uW)

59 Just plug this dongle into your USB port and let Progrestive Flow do the rest.

Posted by: Progrestive Flow-bot at November 03, 2013 11:26 AM (KQp38)

60 pep, the GOP wants Amnesty. The GOP would rather "fix" ObamaCare than get rid of it. A GOP Senator kept ObamaCare alive when she could have stomped it flat. We are wise to expect the worse in weakness and duplicity from the GOP. Democrat troubles are pleasing, but the GOP can turn it all around in one fell stroke.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:27 AM (AO9UG)

61 Here is Olympia when she was young, She's cute. http://tinyurl.com/m8ll6xm

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:28 AM (XIxXP)

62 We are wise to expect the worse in weakness and duplicity from the GOP.

Agreed, they're politicians, not angels. Hold their feet to the fire. And fire them if they screw up.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:29 AM (6TB1Z)

What he said was: "right way to replace Obamacare is to elect Republicans to the Senate and
the House and, ultimately, the White House and repair Obamacare,
replace it, and put in place something thatÂ’s going to do a better job"

Well, we'd need to find some Republicans who actually believe in a smaller government and who'd vow to repeal OCare. So far, there are only a handful, Cruz, Paul, and Lee among them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 03, 2013 11:29 AM (0HooB)

64 One year to Medicaid or Medicare.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at November 03, 2013 11:29 AM (Kud5A)

65 Sure, although that is just one Dem candidate calling for mandatory doctor care of Medicaid. And it's a low level state Dem at that. It's not anybody in Dem leadership. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi aren't calling for price controls. Yet. My guess is they agreed to allow a few years of huge increases by the insurance cos to "adjust" to the new mandates. It's interesting. Dems are attacking insurance cos for cancelling plans, but not for the high costs in the Obamacare exchanges.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 11:29 AM (ZPrif)

66 Â“Obamacare will take the gun ban that has disarmed more than 150,000 military veterans and expand it to potentially cover millions and millions of additional Americans,Â” GOA charges.

Â“Are you ready to have a government bureaucrat decide if you may own a gun or not, with no day in court?Â” GOA asks. Â“Once doctors start entering your personal information into the medical database, there will be nothing to stop the FBI from using your medical information to deny you the right to purchase a firearm.

Â“President Â‘Above-the-LawÂ’ Obama has now waived Obamacare for everyone except for us -- the Â‘little guys,Â’Â” GOA charges, citing waivers for unions, Congress and their staffers, and businesses. Â“Obamacare is Â‘the law of the landÂ’ only when it suits Barack ObamaÂ’s purposes.

Â“The bottom line? Obama canÂ’t force you to comply with Obamacare, if heÂ’s not going to comply with it himself,Â” GOA maintains.

Posted by: Rurik the Damned at November 03, 2013 11:30 AM (e8kgV)

67 Here is Olympia when she was young, She's cute. http://tinyurl.com/m8ll6xm Oh Yeah, and she's greek. You know what that means right? Yep, Delicious Gyros for everyone.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:30 AM (XIxXP)

68 We got our notice Friday - with options to move elsewhere. Buh-bye Blue Shield. Kaiser? Oh God.

Tomorrow is the IRS audit pt2.

It's sucking to be a conservative right now.
I can blame the tea party because life was good until we joined.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 03, 2013 11:30 AM (pgQxn)

69 56 @47 What he said was: "right way to replace Obamacare is to elect Republicans to the Senate and the House and, ultimately, the White House and repair Obamacare, replace it, and put in place something thatÂ’s going to do a better job" That seems pretty unambiguous to me. He also said Obama lied (didn't tell the truth) and had he done so, OCare would not have passed. He's right on both counts. Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 03:24 PM (6TB1Z) Mitt should have said replace ObamaCare with the free market and let people buy what they want and what they can afford. Mitt did not do that because he wants the government to do what ObamaCare does, he just thinks he can do t the "right" way.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:31 AM (AO9UG)

70 Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 03:24 PM (6TB1Z) Yes, he said those things. I listened then, sat down, thought who is this fella, and why is he not sitting in the WH? Then he talked about 'repairing' ObamaCare and I thought of Mitt of Olympics and how it looked like he was attempting to bail the sinking boat of socialism for his own ego and I got angry. You have to face facts. The D's and R's are 180 degrees apart on this issue. One side needs to win, the other needs its ass handed to it. Romney needs to do what losers of Presidential elections have done in the past. Quietly retreat to the sidelines or sell boner pills.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 03, 2013 11:31 AM (U2UQk)

71 Well, we'd need to find some Republicans who actually believe in a smaller government and who'd vow to repeal OCare. So far, there are only a handful, Cruz, Paul, and Lee among them.

That would be all of them, even the ones who don't believe in smaller government. This is a slam dunk political win. Politicians are capable of realizing it.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:32 AM (6TB1Z)

72 Sure, although that is just one Dem candidate calling for mandatory doctor care of Medicaid. And it's a low level state Dem at that. It's not anybody in Dem leadership. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi aren't calling for price controls. Yet.

I have no doubt that this is a trial balloon and will be repeated. The Dems are desparate. What else can they do?

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:32 AM (6TB1Z)

73 The GOP needs a bill. A bullitproof less than 10 page bill, with all the good thigs they wrote into the previous eight bills they tried to pass. Make it pretty and pound it everywhere, all the time. Don't talk about shit else. A blitz unlike any subject has ever seen.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:33 AM (XIxXP)

74 You have to face facts. The D's and R's are 180 degrees apart on this issue. One side needs to win, the other needs its ass handed to it.

I agree.

Romney needs to do what losers of Presidential elections have done in the past. Quietly retreat to the sidelines or sell boner pills. Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat

If he chooses to do so. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy to have him as part of the party. He is a vivid reminder to the "undecideds" and assorted LIVs of what they could have had. Now, they can rue their decisions as they write big fat checks.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:35 AM (6TB1Z)

75 @73, ISWYDT.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 03, 2013 11:36 AM (0HooB)

76 73 The GOP needs a bill. A bullitproof less than 10 page bill, with all the good thigs they wrote into the previous eight bills they tried to pass. Make it pretty and pound it everywhere, all the time. Don't talk about shit else. A blitz unlike any subject has ever seen. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 03:33 PM (XIxXP) Yup, their silence now is unnerving. Offer a clear, concrete alternative. Right in the nose.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:36 AM (AO9UG)

77 That would be all of them, even the ones who don't believe in smaller government. This is a slam dunk political win. Politicians are capable of realizing it. Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 03:32 PM (6TB1Z) I think many of them don't want to win. They don't want to be in charge because it's hard and their lives will not change much for the better. If anything it will be worse. When a GOP prezzy who isn't a McCromney gets in office they will turn the DOJ loose on the evildoers that have been stealing from us for the past eight years. There will be an assfull of GOP Congressman and senators in that group.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:37 AM (XIxXP)

78 The GOA is off base and hyperventilating.

There's nothing in medical info that could disqualify someone unless they were ALREADY ineligible under current law.

To change that would require changing existing firearms law to incorporate more disqualifiers.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 03, 2013 11:38 AM (fZ2Zr)

79 Obamacare sounds like cable TV. I couldn't care less about watching most of the channels, but they come with the package so I have to pay for them anyway.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 03, 2013 11:38 AM (jTKU5)

80 From Drudge: IT BEGINS: Dem calls for law to require all doctors to treat MedicaidMedicare patients...

Posted by: Zombie Eddard Stark at November 03, 2013 11:38 AM (mpTrn)

81 If he chooses to do so. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy to have him as part of the party. He is a vivid reminder to the "undecideds" and assorted LIVs of what they could have had. Now, they can rue their decisions as they write big fat checks. Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 03:35 PM (6TB1Z) I'm not. Mitt is the perfect symbol of what is wrong with the GOP. He is a cornered wolverine within the party and a bleating sheep against the Democrats. He is worse than useless..

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:39 AM (AO9UG)

82 From Drudge: IT BEGINS: Dem calls for law to require all doctors to treat MedicaidMedicare patients... Posted by: Zombie Eddard Stark at November 03, 2013 03:38 PM (mpTrn) HAHA, or what, you gonna march them out behind the hospital and shoot them?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:39 AM (XIxXP)

Heh.

OK, real @73, that bill would only need to be one page, reading "The Affordable Care Act is hereby repealed in its entirety."

The push it, hard, everywhere, all the time, on every interview and talk show, to the exclusion of all else.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 03, 2013 11:39 AM (0HooB)

84 76 The GOP needs salespeople - people who can speak with and relate to the general public, are likeable, and have a variety of experiences. Much of the public votes for people, not policies, and it's a lot more natural for most of us to assess people and follow our feelings. Find our messengers/ambassadors, and the bills will follow.

Posted by: RR Pollster at November 03, 2013 11:41 AM (nLIMC)

85 Offer a clear, concrete alternative.

Just put it back the way it was first.

This is basic simplex method optimization stuff. FIRST find a feasible solution, THEN start walking the edge incrementally towards optimality.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 03, 2013 11:41 AM (fZ2Zr)

86 So, here's the question: could the Obots prevent creation of noncompliant insurance plans through some mechanism for people prepared to pay the Otax to escape the national butt-rape?

Posted by: JEM at November 03, 2013 11:42 AM (vovcn)

87 Data which bolsters your case is known as "a good example."
Data which does not bolster your case is known as "anecdotal evidence".

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 03, 2013 11:42 AM (H0R/1)

88 Gee my food rations only allow one helping of veggies every two days. What ever happened to USDRequiements.... scratch scratch this damn government issue burlap jump suit itches like crazy

Posted by: Future post in the AoSHQ comments at November 03, 2013 11:42 AM (N3Al8)

89 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 03:13 PM (XIxXP) Having been forced to read a bunch of Zeke's "writings" to get my fancy PhD(c) I can tell you he's an intellectual lightweight at best. Argument via fallacy. While it makes him hard to deal with to the LIVs I laugh at most of his stuff.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 03, 2013 11:43 AM (GaqMa)

90 Now, they can rue their decisions as they write big fat checks. I said to my wife today, you know what a family of four in New York State will pay in premiums? You can buy a quarter million dollar home for less money per month. Instead, be homeless. I don't give a shit. They bought this line of free shit, hook, line and sinker. Pay up, suckers. I have nothing but crocodile tears for those who have not the slightest rude-elementary grasp of math.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 03, 2013 11:44 AM (U2UQk)

91 The good health care law wouldn't touch Doctors or insurance. It will remove frivilous lawsuits, looser pays, and the Gov obstacles and to a free market.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:44 AM (XIxXP)

92 Bronco polling at 40% approval by Gallup and 53% disapproval for a -13. The real numbers are about 26% approval I would guess and 70% dis. He is poison from now on.

Posted by: Lester at November 03, 2013 11:44 AM (qTsuK)

93 85 Offer a clear, concrete alternative. Just put it back the way it was first. This is basic simplex method optimization stuff. FIRST find a feasible solution, THEN start walking the edge incrementally towards optimality. Posted by: Purp at November 03, 2013 03:41 PM (fZ2Zr) Except if you do that, the Democrats will refund their strength. I'd rather we say something needed to be done but as usual the democrats went too far and in the wrong direction. Just present people with personal freedom to make their own healthcare choices.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:45 AM (AO9UG)

94 Dum Sum Bitch Do not confuse with Dim Sum Lunch!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 03, 2013 11:45 AM (HsTG8)

95 Christmas 2014 is going to be rather bleak for many families after forking over thousands of dollars for this bullshit, kids will be lucky to get a lump of coal.

Posted by: Zombie Eddard Stark at November 03, 2013 11:46 AM (mpTrn)

96 could the Obots prevent creation of noncompliant insurance plans through some mechanism for people prepared to pay the Otax to escape the national butt-rape? The GOP will save the day there. We'll all still have to pay for health insurance for everyone, but it will become legal to additionally buy real insurance for yourself and get better doctors and access. We will be expected to thank them for this. In European.

Posted by: t-bird at November 03, 2013 11:47 AM (FcR7P)

97 Argument via fallacy. While it makes him hard to deal with to the LIVs I laugh at most of his stuff. Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 03, 2013 03:43 PM (GaqMa) That's kind of how he strikes me. As a College prof that has never left the campus with a side of self hating Jew followed by a heaping Helping of childlike Narcissistic arrogance for desert.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:47 AM (XIxXP)

98 stop payin yer taxes En masse

Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 11:47 AM (N3Al8)

99 One year to Medicaid or Medicare. Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at November 03, 2013 03:29 PM (Kud5A) Had a friend that came over yesterday. He's had a rough time finding a job, he's been working retail and just got promoted to full time. Before he found out though he went to the exchange for some health insurance. It enrolled him in Medicaid and that was that. He was quite upset. He pinches pennies so that he could have at least a $3k deductible insurance plan and avoid Medicaid (he also refuses to take EITC even though he's probably eligible.) When I told him he couldn't buy a plan under the law because of the Medicaid eligibility he got even angrier. He's happy his promotion comes with insurance because he wants nothing to do with the clusterfuck that is Medicaid.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 03, 2013 11:48 AM (GaqMa)

100 Pay up, suckers. I have nothing but crocodile tears for those who have not the slightest rude-elementary grasp of math. Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat

RINO. Not only will I shed no tears, crocodilian or otherwise, but I will twirl my mustachios at them.

As soon as I grow some.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:48 AM (6TB1Z)

101

sniff sniff I smell an American Spring a comin

Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 11:50 AM (N3Al8)

102 98 stop payin yer taxes En masse Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 03:47 PM (N3Al

You mean have no more taxable income? When should we all quit our jobs? Today? December 31st?

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:50 AM (AO9UG)

103 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 03:47 PM (XIxXP) He's at least smart enough to know America will never accept Single Payer, so there's that. But the rest of his ideas are pretty much straight up fascism. Tax this, tax that, provide vouchers for everyone to buy insurance. It's a mess. He wants to control you outright, realizes he can't so he finds round about ways to do it.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 03, 2013 11:51 AM (GaqMa)

104 sniff sniff I smell an American Spring a comin Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 03:50 PM (N3Al

Is that like an Arab spring only with better chemists and more bangsticks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 11:51 AM (XIxXP)

105

102

become self employed like me

Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 11:52 AM (N3Al8)

106 If you look at what is happen to policy holders as a stealth tax increase, it is clear this is all about nothing more than income redistribution.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 03, 2013 11:52 AM (HsTG8)

107 gaming thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 03, 2013 11:52 AM (DmNpO)

108 become self employed like me Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 03:52 PM (N3Al

What's this about noy paying taxes?

Posted by: NSA Bob. at November 03, 2013 11:53 AM (XIxXP)

109 Self-employed people do not pay become tax under the force of law. Who knew?

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:53 AM (AO9UG)

110 Wow, iPad, just wow.

Posted by: eman at November 03, 2013 11:53 AM (AO9UG)

111 the truckers had a good idea to shut down DC for three days. the veterans march clashed with that so the turn out was too small to effect commerce...

Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 11:54 AM (N3Al8)

112 TSR, this gets to my question -- is everyone who technically qualifies going to be forcibly enrolled in Medicaid? Can a poor person scrimp and save in other areas of life so they can afford better insurance and better doctors. Can they use savings, or money from family members that want them to have better insurance? The better doctors don't take Medicaid. Medicaid means inferior doc, inferior nurses, inferior care.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 11:54 AM (ZPrif)

113 The Insurance companies are just feeding the Alligators in hopes that they'll be eaten last.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 03, 2013 11:55 AM (jucos)

114 The better doctors don't take Medicaid. Medicaid means inferior doc, inferior nurses, inferior care.

It won't be long before the Medicaid folks can only see shamans and crystal healers.

Posted by: pep at November 03, 2013 11:56 AM (6TB1Z)

115 I eat politics.

Posted by: Math at November 03, 2013 11:56 AM (5ikDv)

116

108

Me and uncle sam are on the good foot as we speak Bob but I will not give my information on your O care site. sorry but I reserve the right to refuse...

Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 11:56 AM (N3Al8)

117 The better doctors don't take Medicaid. Medicaid means inferior doc, inferior nurses, inferior care. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 03:54 PM (ZPrif) You do get the best HAI (Hospital-Acquired Infections) that money can't buy. In Europe where they have socialized medicine and filthy hospitals for the middle class and poor, Hospital infections cause 2/3 of the deaths from infections each year. Bring your own lysol.

Posted by: NSA Bob. at November 03, 2013 11:59 AM (XIxXP)

118

Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 03:52 PM (N3Al

Whats my smiley wearing sun glasses?

Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 11:59 AM (N3Al8)

119 So anyone who has an interruption of income for a taxable year will be forcibly put on Medicaid? Will they be allowed to use savings to continue on their current insurance, perhaps with a subsidy due to lowered income? Sounds like no, they'll be dumped onto Medicaid.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

120 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 03:54 PM (ZPrif) It's unclear. But Medicaid eligibility removes subsidies so they certainly aren't helping. I've read conflicting reports but some have suggested that Medicaid enrollment is required.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 03, 2013 12:00 PM (GaqMa)

121 TSR, this gets to my question -- is everyone who technically qualifies going to be forcibly enrolled in Medicaid? *** I don't even qualify based upon my income but they automatically enrolled me on the off-chance that my disability MAY qualify me for some sort of assistance. The application isn't even complete yet they enrolled me anyway.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 03, 2013 12:00 PM (DmNpO)

122 Must watch NASCAR before they ban that as being environmentally unfriendly. Later.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 03, 2013 12:01 PM (XIxXP)

123 It's unclear. But Medicaid eligibility removes subsidies so they certainly aren't helping. *** I am, according to the site, simultaneously enrolled in Medicaid and eligible for a $9 per month subsidy to buy a plan.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 03, 2013 12:02 PM (DmNpO)

124
"Some states, including Virginia and Kentucky, required insurers to cancel old policies and start from scratch instead of beefing up existing ones."

Keep -- in the broad sense of the word.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 03, 2013 12:02 PM (kdS6q)

125 In Europe where they have socialized medicine and filthy hospitals for the middle class and poor, Hospital infections cause 2/3 of the deaths from infections each year. Behind cancer and heart disease, being admitted to a hospital in the USA is like the #3 cause of death. It's not intentional, just shit happens. See also; John Murtha

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at November 03, 2013 12:04 PM (U2UQk)

126

football game on ...cya

Posted by: common sense at November 03, 2013 12:05 PM (N3Al8)

127 eligible for a $9 per month subsidy to buy a plan Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good ~~weekend~~ couple minutes in Vegas with that kinda money.

Posted by: Major T.J. "King" Kong [/i] at November 03, 2013 12:07 PM (U2UQk)

128 Interesting we're not getting 24 /7 about the 'crazed Tea Partier' LAX shooter, isn't it?

Posted by: --- at November 03, 2013 12:07 PM (MMC8r)

129 What's going on? I just turned on the Jets game and they are winning...in the 4th!

Posted by: garrett at November 03, 2013 12:11 PM (A99o6)

130
Tommy Thayer @tommy_thayer*

"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it, period." Not true. I just got notice mine's cancelled 12/31. #ObamaCareFail

*The guitarist for KISS

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 03, 2013 12:11 PM (kdS6q)

131

*The guitarist for KISS

Can Gene Simmons be far behind? He'll rip TFG a new one, deservedly so.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 03, 2013 12:13 PM (0HooB)

132 If you incorporate, can you go for an employer plan and wait a year for the pain.

Posted by: Jean at November 03, 2013 12:18 PM (CMlD4)

133

We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at November 03, 2013 12:20 PM (Pr6hk)

134

My prediction???

P A I N

Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at November 03, 2013 12:21 PM (Pr6hk)

135 Interesting we're not getting 24 /7 about the 'crazed Tea Partier' LAX shooter, isn't it?

Posted by: --- at November 03, 2013 04:07 PM (MMC8r)

Yeah, that one vanished faster than a snowflake on a hot stove, didn't it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2013 12:21 PM (8Fl6F)

136 A giant GOP wave in 2014 would not surprise

We're going to fumble this and add amnesty so we just move the needle enough to keep our phony baloney jobs.

Posted by: Teh GOP at November 03, 2013 12:22 PM (DL2i+)

137
Don't forget to pick up our most recent book:

Self-surgery for Dummies

Posted by: For Dummies Publishing at November 03, 2013 12:23 PM (Pr6hk)

138 What's going on? I just turned on the Jets game and they are winning...in the 4th! *** lion and sheep lie down together...

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 03, 2013 12:23 PM (DmNpO)

139

If you incorporate, can you go for an employer plan and wait a year for the pain.

If you like the pain, you can keep the pain.

Just kidding. It's going to get worse.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at November 03, 2013 12:24 PM (A99o6)

140

Posted by: + at November 03, 2013 12:32 PM (Pr6hk)

141 Try getting a cancelation notice on your security detail

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at November 03, 2013 12:33 PM (Pr6hk)

142 With all this bad press this week, I think reporters will be stacked-up like cord wood in Ft Marcy Park next week.

Posted by: Vince Foster at November 03, 2013 12:34 PM (Pr6hk)

143
If access to ObamaCare was available to me, I would still be reporting the news fairly and unbiased.

Posted by: Zombie Helen Thomas at November 03, 2013 12:39 PM (pJF+c)

144
If ObamaCare was available during my youth, I would in all probability never have tasted the taco.

Posted by: Ellen Degeneres at November 03, 2013 12:43 PM (pJF+c)

145 ...dogs and cats living together...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 03, 2013 12:44 PM (0HooB)

146 The BIG question for the Griffins, Mr Davis, and Mr Johnson is: WHO did you vote for in 2008 and 2012?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 03, 2013 12:45 PM (/IXKu)

147 "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan". I just realized how funny that is in the context of Obamacare and the book "Papillon". Not funny like I can explain it funny, but funny because of the world "plan" in the book. Someone will get it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 03, 2013 12:50 PM (ZshNr)

148 Now that NYC is going back to full commutard, I can go back to hating it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 03, 2013 12:57 PM (ZPrif)

149 A few years ago, if you felt you were getting a raw deal from the US medical system, and you had some modest private means, it was perfectly feasible to go abroad for treatment as a "medical tourist". Tens of thousands did so.

Now, increasingly, you're lashed to the mast of the sinking ship. If your savings and income are in dollars, you can expect giant sticker shock when pricing treatment out of the USA.

Even treatment in places like India now costs a lot more in greenbacks than it used to only a few short years ago. Because Obamanomics are steadily robbing the dollar of its buying power, both here and abroad.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 03, 2013 01:08 PM (gqT4g)

150 Each one recharges my schadenboner, which I expect to last for over 4 months.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 03, 2013 03:16 PM (wNF3N)

You should probably see a doc...

oh, right...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 03, 2013 01:22 PM (yh0zB)

151 Who in their right fucking mind would go to India for medical treatment?

Posted by: garrett at November 03, 2013 01:29 PM (cQCD0)

152 And mailbox by mailbox, the horror unfolds. To people, ordinary people, who have been responsible. Who have looked after themselves. Who have done the right thing. People who are now realizing that the Democrats are their worst enemies.

"You must be hurt," says the donkey. "If you are not hurt I can not help these others."

"But why can you not help them without hurting me?"

"What are you, some kind of tea-bagger? Help can only be given if others are hurt."

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Jeers and More at the Outrage Outlet! at November 03, 2013 01:29 PM (gmoEG)

153 "Who in their right fucking mind would go to India for medical treatment?"

I'll take "people that don't need or want to wait 3 years for a hip replacement", Alex.

Posted by: navybrat at November 03, 2013 01:33 PM (P5xur)

154 Sometimes you need Vitamin C, bed-rest and chicken soup. Other times you need feces-water and Vishnu. It's called something-something medicine, duh. Like diversity and stuff.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 03, 2013 01:35 PM (ZshNr)

155

I'll take "people that don't need or want to wait 3 years for a hip replacement", Alex.

Yeah, no thanks. I'll wait and avoid the plague, altogether.

Posted by: garrett at November 03, 2013 01:37 PM (cQCD0)

156 I'm not saying I don't believe in antibiotics, but an Elephant God can squish the fuck out of any microbe, that's a proven fact.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 03, 2013 01:40 PM (ZshNr)

157

an Elephant God can squish the fuck out of any microbe, that's a proven fact.

Why do you think they have all those arms?

Posted by: garrett at November 03, 2013 01:40 PM (cQCD0)

158 If you like your plan... Sucks 2bu

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 03, 2013 01:41 PM (jKE+l)

159 Medical tourism is still, for the moment, economically viable even with the cratered dollar.

The cost delta is in the 5X range for some operations. A $20k operation might cost $6k now rather than the $4k it did a few years ago.

A big chunk of that is the hugely inflated prices hospitals charge for the actual operating room facilities and subsequent couple of day stay during recovery.

I wonder if some enterprising collection of doctors, or insurance companies, might setup their own private co-op surgical facilities to reduce costs?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 03, 2013 01:52 PM (fZ2Zr)

160 61 Here is Olympia when she was young, She's cute. There is no accounting for taste; but she remains far cuter at 40 than Maxine Waters at any age.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at November 03, 2013 01:52 PM (hpgw1)

161 Just wait until people find out who is in and out of network.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 03, 2013 01:55 PM (UvR6d)

162 "The Transportation Security Administration is expanding its screening of passengers before they arrive at the airport by searching a wide array of government and private databases that can include records like car registrations and employment information. " http://tinyurl.com/lkpq2y5

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 03, 2013 02:17 PM (Vk2pI)

163 "Who in their right fucking mind would go to India for medical treatment?"

I don't think I would, but I have met people who have gone there for everything from a root canal to a quad bypass. Satisfaction seems reasonably high.

Remember this: those Indian clinics are working for CASH MONEY. If they get a rep for killing and maiming and infecting patients, the flow of CASH MONEY will dry up awfully fast. People respond to market incentives. And, CASH MONEY works wonders for pushing past the various inefficiencies and unsanitaries to be found in India.

Note as well that the U.S. medical system isn't exactly a paragon of excellence when it comes to patient outcomes.

Last year, about thirty thousand American died in motor vehicle accidents. Depending on how you reckon it, the number of Americans who died last year from preventable medical error may have been more than _ten times_ that figure.

In 2010, the HHS Inspector General's office said that preventable medical error contributed to the deaths of 180,000 patients that year, on Medicare alone.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 03, 2013 02:21 PM (gqT4g)

164 [i"What are you, some kind of tea-bagger? Help can only be given if others are hurt."[/i] I think this is probably very close to the truth. EVERYTHING is a zero-sum game to the left. If one person is healthy, it means they stole health from someone who is now sick. Magical thinking.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 03, 2013 02:40 PM (CeNUw)

165 preventable medical error contributed to the deaths of 180,000 patients that year

Second look: witch doctors

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at November 03, 2013 02:41 PM (fZ2Zr)

166 62 "hold their feet to the fire."
Hold their feet in a tub of hardening cement, then take them for a tour of the harbor.

Posted by: tlk244182 at November 03, 2013 02:41 PM (rafF+)

167 We will have essentially single payer before Nov 2016. The plan was designed to fail.

Posted by: Javems at November 03, 2013 02:44 PM (c8xU9)

168 Second look: witch doctors

Great idea. Less strain on this piece of shit I concocted. I'll suggest this to Boobelius right away.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at November 03, 2013 02:58 PM (Dwehj)

169 Oops. Cleveland does a fake field goal-turned-punt and it dribbles into the endzone. About 10 minutes left in the 4th.

Posted by: Vendette at November 03, 2013 03:04 PM (MpP9p)

170 Drat. Wrong thread. My bad.

Posted by: Vendette at November 03, 2013 03:04 PM (MpP9p)

171 Any Cobs around ? The gaming thread that we can't comment on has yet to post 100 comments. Can we get a new open thread ?

Posted by: seamrog at November 03, 2013 03:11 PM (hJn41)

172 We looked into India for In Vitro in India and Surrogacy, The cost is just way lower. Surrogacy is So damn cheap it 100 grand in the US and in India 6-10 grand and the woman is required to live in a dorm We switched DR and it finally took and now I have a 10 month old son. We came soo close to using India, if you go on the DailyMail they always have story's on the Baby Factories in India.

Posted by: Patrick at November 03, 2013 03:27 PM (b6koZ)

173 Hey!

Posted by: flounder at November 03, 2013 04:23 PM (Kkt/i)

174 The saying is, "The plural of anecdote is *not* data."

A lot of anecdotes does not data make.

The reason we have anecdotes and not data in this case, of course, is because the administration is deliberately gagging the insurance companies in an effort to prevent them from releasing the data.

Posted by: lauraw at November 03, 2013 05:16 PM (yGblt)

175 "Anecdotal" is an adjective. "Datum" is a noun. You can't pluralize an adjective. Jeez Louise!

Posted by: Cornfed at November 03, 2013 06:36 PM (TLyp/)

176 you need to ditch this idea that the plural of anecdote is data. it's a common phrase in medical sciences that the plural of anecdotes is in fact NOT data. Anecdotes collected may not suffer from the same third variable problems, my not reflect the same populations or outcomes and are generally used by Big CAM to sell fake drugs to people. the point doesn't invalidate your thoughts on obama lying about keeping plans - but you should be careful not to discredit yourself or your ideas by linking that to a false notion that anecdotes collected = data.

Posted by: roald dahl at November 03, 2013 08:41 PM (Gtt2/)

177 I see that Ass Press is still flogging the LIE that all the policies that are being cancelled are "substandard."

Absolute BOLLOCKS.

The vast majority of independently purchased plans are FULL COVERAGE PLANS, either HMOs or the old 80/20% choose-your-own-doctor plans.

I also notice that they're saying, "Oh, this will only affect 5% of the insured population."

Erm, yeah -- THIS year.

Next year? try 93 MILLION PEOPLE being thrown off their plans when the EMPLOYER mandate kicks in.

Thank you for playing, Ass Press.

Posted by: Beverly at November 03, 2013 09:40 PM (PkUsT)

178 They completely screwed it up. Their idiocy is transcendent. Instead of working on the mechanics of simultaneously gagging and reaming the public, they spent their time working on the timing of the "roll-out" and the accompanying propaganda, lies, and shiny newness of a tacky website (just like Expedia because they are idiots and slow witless elite adolescents). Axeldouche admitted it yesterday on a talkie head show. He said (and I paraphrase) if only the website had worked, we (media and propagandists) would be talking about how many people had found insurance subsidies and Medicaid (freebies that their website can't record or compute) instead of a small (14 million) number of people loosing their insurance. The timing of the scheme was screwed by their greed and theft of hiring cronies (thanks Michelle's pals) to fail at the marketing and coercion via a shiny website for morons. He admitted it if you listened carefully to his #*(%ing double marketing talk. Now they are screwed and he knows it. He wrote the lies that the dunderhead spouted so he has to go out and spin it. Cons and frauds are difficult and they failed. Nothing angrier than a mark who catches on in the middle of the con game.

Posted by: Lester at November 04, 2013 01:13 AM (qTsuK)

179 One of the things that pushed the Obamacare fallacy that more people will be "saved" from early death, bad medical outcomes and enable wondrous cures. My wife worked with a fair number of minority and/or very progressive women. They think this is going to save their relatives and friends from pain and death. Completely ignored was high risk behavior such as drug and alcohol abuse and violence, many and indiscreet sexual partners (AIDS, stds, gunshot wounds), and generation after generation of crazy people reproducing. Nothing in free medical treatment is going to save your ass if you continue to try to kill yourself with horrible behavior.

Posted by: Lester at November 04, 2013 01:32 AM (qTsuK)

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