July 02, 2013

Arkansas Becomes 5th State To Approve Constitutional Carry
— JohnE.

Yesterday, Arkansas officially joined Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming and Vermont as a Constitutional Carry state.

Arkansas law will now consider people carrying guns the same way many state laws handle possession of any kind of hand tools, so-called “tools of burglary.” Normally, you can get away with carrying common hand tools anywhere you otherwise have a right to be. But if you are caught trying to use them in an attempt of breaking and entering or even trespassing, you can be charged with a crime based on obvious intent to use that tool in a crime. As long as you are not harming, or attempting to harm others with a weapon, then possession alone should not be a crime.
Meanwhile, a state judge in Mississippi has blocked the state's new open carry law from taking effect yesterday. Mississippi's Attorney General immediately asked the Mississippi Supreme Court to throw out the judge's order.

Interestingly, three of the five Constitutional Carry states have enacted their laws during Obama's reign of destruction.

Posted by: JohnE. at 06:39 AM | Comments (458)
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1 Weee! Pretty pretty!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 02, 2013 06:42 AM (qLYdI)

2 Oooh.  Blinky colors.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a meat snack at July 02, 2013 06:43 AM (/kI1Q)

3 Incidentally, that's a nice touch in the sidebar with Rubio caricatured as the comic strip kid naif "Dondi"

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at July 02, 2013 06:43 AM (Q1DS+)

4 No plaid? What is this world coming to?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 02, 2013 06:44 AM (0HooB)

5 I take this a sign of the times... a good sign.

Posted by: Bayou City at July 02, 2013 06:44 AM (8yWf/)

6 I think i'm having a seizure.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 06:44 AM (XIxXP)

7 I guess everyone but us is still stuck in the stinky thread.

Posted by: Bayou City at July 02, 2013 06:44 AM (8yWf/)

8 Government is failing. We need to protect ourselves.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 06:45 AM (XUKZU)

9 *haz seizure from the colours*

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 06:45 AM (GQ8sn)

10 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 06:45 AM (/PCJa)

11 It continues to pain me that Vermont has    better    gun laws than my NH.       Why do THEY   get all the awesome stuff?    They're just a handful of people and about two million cows, dammit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 02, 2013 06:46 AM (4df7R)

12 Yesterday, Arkansas officially joined Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming and Vermont as a Constitutional Carry state. Now I'm jealous. TX Leg, get on this!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 06:46 AM (/PCJa)

13 so do I understand 'constitutional carry' to mean that carrying a gun, concealed or not, is not in and of itself a crime? as in 'the 2nd amendment is all the gun permit one needs' ?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 06:46 AM (8sCoq)

14 Pass a damn amendment for the right to self-defense.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 06:46 AM (LRFds)

15 Look at IL being the little red chump!

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 06:47 AM (GQ8sn)

16 Don't let CAC see  this map thingy.  It moves.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 02, 2013 06:47 AM (0HooB)

17 Texas was no issue??????

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 06:47 AM (da5Wo)

18 May issue states may as well be red too You're not going to get a permit

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 06:47 AM (8sFfo)

19 No kidding Allen. WTH is wrong with Austin? Time to write some letters... again!

Posted by: Bayou City at July 02, 2013 06:47 AM (8yWf/)

20 Isn't Illinois now issuing permits, or is it still hung up in the legislative process?  Thought a court ruled that no-issue was unconstitutional and directed the legislature to come up with a scheme in a certain time period else carry would be Vermont-style.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 02, 2013 06:47 AM (PFy0L)

21 This reminds me I still need to go apply for my CCL in NH...

Posted by: Gaff at July 02, 2013 06:47 AM (jPS2y)

22 Second look at Arkansas Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming and Vermont? Well, not Vermont. I'm sick of snow and winters.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 06:47 AM (8sCoq)

23 America.  Fuck YEAH!

Posted by: Team America at July 02, 2013 06:48 AM (BrQrN)

24 so do I understand 'constitutional carry' to mean that carrying a gun, concealed or not, is not in and of itself a crime? Yes. Basically constitutional carry means you just get to carry a gun. Open, concealed, doesn't matter. It's lawful to carry (just like a screwdriver (the tool, not the drink)), so you get to carry it. BUT if you commit a crime (say... you get in a fight) then they'll slap a charge for carrying with intent or something like that. Basically, if you "play nice" the State will, too. If you don't, they won't. Which I think is fair.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 06:48 AM (/PCJa)

25 >>> May issue states may as well be red too
You're not going to get a permit

This is true for the most part.

Posted by: JohnE. at July 02, 2013 06:48 AM (nRTou)

26 Anyone else pop a boner while watching that map gif?  A friend said he did.  Just want to know if that's weird.  Or not.


Posted by: Dang at July 02, 2013 06:48 AM (Hx2XA)

27 I don't like guns because I'm scared of them jumping up and attacking me.  Seriously people how do you live with them?

Posted by: Mia Farrow at July 02, 2013 06:49 AM (Aif/5)

28 17. You want those egos with guns?!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 06:49 AM (8sFfo)

29 Texas was no issue?????? Dude, Texas was positively dominated by Democrats until the mid 90s at least. We're still clawing back from that, in some ways.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 06:49 AM (/PCJa)

30

as in 'the 2nd amendment is all the gun permit one needs' ?

 

 

 

 


Abso-fucking-lutley.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at July 02, 2013 06:49 AM (qLYdI)

31 "If in Act I you have a pistol hanging on the wall, then it must fire in the last act". Chekhov's gun

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 06:49 AM (bb5+k)

32 Oh, and FYI:  Illinois won't be red much longer.  They have to enact some form of CCW law or the state goes Constitutional Carry.

Posted by: JohnE. at July 02, 2013 06:49 AM (nRTou)

33 Hold on hold on. This doesn't reflect the 90 percent that want extended background something or other.

Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 06:50 AM (fWAjv)

34 New Jersey is technically a "May Issue" state, but the reality is that it is impossible to get a carry permit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 06:50 AM (WW8xK)

35 I don't like guns because I'm scared of them jumping up and attacking me. Seriously people how do you live with them?

Posted by: Mia Farrow at July 02, 2013 10:49 AM (Aif/5)


Guns don't kill people.  NFL players kill people.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 06:50 AM (XUKZU)

36 They have to enact some form of CCW law or the state goes Constitutional Carry. If I were a Republican in the IL congress, I'd be doing everything I could to "poison pill" every proposal that came down. Constitutional Carry FTW!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 06:51 AM (/PCJa)

37 Evil RINO George Bush signed the shall issue law in Texas. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 06:51 AM (m2CN7)

38 Guns don't kill people. NFL players kill people.
Posted by: WalrusRex

Heh.

Posted by: OJ at July 02, 2013 06:51 AM (Hx2XA)

39

Great map, JohnE., but DAMNIT, we were just settling in to a Big Trouble in Little  China  quote-fest!

 

Bad  timing.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 02, 2013 06:51 AM (CJjw5)

40 Countdown to my CCW coming in the mail: 40 days! VA has a law that the permit must be done in 45 calendar days. On day 46 if I don't have it in the mail, I can go to the courthouse and get a temp.

Posted by: Mainah at July 02, 2013 06:51 AM (659DL)

41 Guns don't kill people. NFL players kill people.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 10:50 AM (XUKZU)

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Heh

Posted by: Ray Lewis at July 02, 2013 06:51 AM (32Ze2)

42 Me and Gabby are moving to Illinois.

Posted by: Mark Kelly at July 02, 2013 06:51 AM (MRYTR)

43 New Jersey is technically a "May Issue" state, but the reality is that it is impossible to get a carry permit. That's pretty well true of all "May Issue" states. Police don't like an armed citizenry (for a variety of reasons), so when they have discretion ("may issue") they'll often elect not to issue. Constitutional Carry > Open Carry > Shall Issue > May Issue > No Issue.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 06:52 AM (/PCJa)

44 >Texas was positively dominated by Democrats until the mid 90s at least. what turned it around?

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 06:52 AM (8sCoq)

45 Guns don't kill people. NFL players kill people.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 10:50 AM (XUKZU)

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Heh

Posted by: Aaron Hernandez at July 02, 2013 06:52 AM (32Ze2)

46 I didn't kill nobody!  It was a setup.

Posted by: Aaron Hernandez at July 02, 2013 06:52 AM (Aif/5)

47 Great map, JohnE., but DAMNIT, we were just settling in to a Big Trouble in Little China quote-fest!


"This pisses me off to no end!"

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 06:52 AM (Hx2XA)

48 42 Mark Kelly,

I'd suggest Ontario or fucking London you ghoulish asshole.

//Sarah Brady

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 06:52 AM (LRFds)

49 Guns don't kill people. NFL players kill people.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 10:50 AM (XUKZU)

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Heh

Posted by: Jack Tatum at July 02, 2013 06:53 AM (32Ze2)

50 Heh. I'm an Arkie. I can carry without getting fingerprinted. Woohoo! Suck on that Texicans

Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2013 06:53 AM (OlN4e)

51 44 Jones in CO,

Ma Richards, disgust with Beijing Bill, and the Democrats hatred of economic freedom.


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 06:53 AM (LRFds)

52 "It continues to pain me that Vermont has better gun laws than my NH. Why do THEY get all the awesome stuff? They're just a handful of people and about two million cows, dammit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 02, 2013 10:46 AM (4df7R)"



I'm still trying to figure out how it's legal for me here in the People's Republic to own automatic weapons, but not to put a suppressor on my .45.  What kind of BS is that?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 02, 2013 06:53 AM (knoK7)

53 Dude, Texas was positively dominated by Democrats until the mid 90s at least. We're still clawing back from that, in some ways. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 10:49 AM (/PCJa) I remember Ann Richards and Molly Ivins. For that matter, I remember Fort Worthless Jim and LBJ.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 06:53 AM (bb5+k)

54 we were just settling in to a Big Trouble in Little China quote-fest! What?!? I always miss the good threads.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2013 06:53 AM (QLNHI)

55 "Dude, Texas was positively dominated by Democrats until the mid 90s at least. We're still clawing back from that, in some ways." Back when I was a kid in the 60-early 70's, the "no issue" part must have been that the state wasn't involved, Dems or not. I know most adult on both sides of the family had a shotgun in the truck, pistol in the glove box, and was likely armed most of the time. Of course, most of the male adults (uncles) were WWII vets...

Posted by: Bayou City at July 02, 2013 06:54 AM (8yWf/)

56

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 10:48 AM (/PCJa)

 

Yup... Constitutional Carry really is just a reiteration of the Bill of Rights...

 

Because it says we CAN bear Arms....

 

And a Right is not a Right, if you have to ask permission from the Government FIRST!

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 02, 2013 06:54 AM (lZBBB)

57 "Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2013 06:54 AM (2mSdf)

58 Guns don't kill people. Democrats kill people.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2013 06:54 AM (QLNHI)

59 what turned it around? The people, mostly. Reagan in the 80s helped, as did GW, but the two biggest things were that Texans have always been Texans (we liked our guns even back then) and Democrats stopped representing Texas Values back in the 40s. Unfortunately, we Texans are also very stubborn, so it took a while for us to give up on the Democrats. In some areas they still haven't.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 06:54 AM (/PCJa)

60

If I'm honest,  I would rather States be shall issue rather than constitutional carry mainly because I've seen too many non CHL holders at the range that frankly handle a gun like a screwdriver.

 

This of course is  selfish and I realize that the Constitution  should allow for anyone to carry except for those that gave up that right by committing a felony.    

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 06:55 AM (m2CN7)

61 I'm still trying to figure out how it's legal for me here in the People's Republic to own automatic weapons, but not to put a suppressor on my .45. What kind of BS is that? BATF wants to hear you coming.

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 06:55 AM (GQ8sn)

62 Evil RINO George Bush signed the shall issue law in Texas. Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 10:51 AM (m2CN7) George W Bush didn't do EVERYTHING wrong, but he did do some really important things wrong.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 06:55 AM (bb5+k)

63 I'll take Wyoming near the Montana border.  Less zombies to deal with during the end times.

Posted by: Adam at July 02, 2013 06:55 AM (Aif/5)

64 Heh. I'm an Arkie. Yeah. Chew on THAT awhile...

Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 06:55 AM (wfhxs)

65  Guns don't kill people. Democrats kill people.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2013 10:54 AM (QLNHI)

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Heh

Posted by: Kermet Gosnell at July 02, 2013 06:55 AM (32Ze2)

66
The map..... its full of stars!!!.....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 02, 2013 06:55 AM (nELVU)

67 has the gun crime rate in Chicago tripled yet? Inquiring liberals are hoping like hell that that's what they'll hear.

Posted by: Mallfly at July 02, 2013 06:56 AM (bJm7W)

68 That's pretty well true of all "May Issue" states. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 10:52 AM (/PCJa) I've had permits in two different California counties. It's just that the two big population centers don't allow it (and LA is defying a court order in the process), so a big chunk of population is cut out by political corruption. But a majority of the *counties* are "likely to issue" and a lot of people do carry. For now. After all, politics here is going even further sinister.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 02, 2013 06:56 AM (qyfb5)

69 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 10:52 AM (/PCJa)

CA is "May Issue," and when I lived there it was easy to get a permit. You just had to go shopping for the correct county. For instance, I lived in Alameda county, and there was no way in hell I was going to get one. But I could have moved my legal address to one of the Eastern or Northern counties and gotten a permit relatively easily.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 06:56 AM (WW8xK)

70

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 02, 2013 06:57 AM (32Ze2)

71 >Texas was positively dominated by Democrats until the mid 90s at least.

what turned it around? Posted by: Jones in CO

Bush running against a totally corrupt old dem hag named Ma Richards.  Only the most vile and nasty grisseled old cooters saw any virtue in her.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 06:57 AM (Hx2XA)

72 BATFE wants to hear you coming. Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 10:55 AM (GQ8sn) And I agree, it should be a store, not a govt agency.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 06:57 AM (da5Wo)

73 62 Diogenes Lamp,

and unlike a majority of Team SCOAMF we hold our leaders to standards.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 06:57 AM (LRFds)

74 If I'm honest, I would rather States be shall issue rather than constitutional carry mainly because I've seen too many non CHL holders at the range that frankly handle a gun like a screwdriver. I have two major problems with Shall Issue (over ConCarry). 1) As someone said above- if the I have to ask the State for permission, it's not a "right." 2) A CCW registry is effectively gun registry. They may not know how many guns you have, and they don't know (necessarily) about people who have guns but not their CHL, but the moment I decide I want to assert my right to self-defense, the State knows who I am. I'm not okay with that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 06:57 AM (/PCJa)

75 I'm still trying to figure out how it's legal for me here in the People's Republic to own automatic weapons, but not to put a suppressor on my .45. What kind of BS is that? BATF wants to hear you coming. If you hear it, I wasn't aiming for you.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 06:58 AM (wfhxs)

76 OT:  This sounds easier than dieting.

http://tinyurl.com/mh92nof

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 06:58 AM (XUKZU)

77 Dude, Texas was positively dominated by Democrats until the mid 90s at least. We're still clawing back from that, in some ways. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 10:49 AM (/PCJa) The complete historical illiteracy of the Turn Texas Blue people makes me laugh and laugh.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 06:59 AM (VtjlW)

78 Ironically, in CA, Mordor On The Sacramento is generally "shall issue" now. Can't carry in downtown near the capitol itself, though, they blocked off a large "no interfering with crime" zone there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 02, 2013 06:59 AM (qyfb5)

79 Son of a bitch MUST PAY.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 02, 2013 06:59 AM (CJjw5)

80 George W Bush didn't do EVERYTHING wrong, but he did do some really important things wrong.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 10:55 AM (bb5+k)

 

By wrong you mean things you don't agree with which in no way is evidence something is wrong. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 06:59 AM (m2CN7)

81 64 RickB223,

I'd like AR if the taint of the Bill Clinton Library, Massage Parlor, and Snake Oil Institute wasn't there in Little Rock.

I encourage all Morons to go check out the ArkLaTexOk area.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 06:59 AM (LRFds)

82 If I'm honest, I would rather States be shall issue rather than constitutional carry mainly because I've seen too many non CHL holders at the range that frankly handle a gun like a screwdriver.

This is the same impulse that animates modern leftist Democrats: someone, somewhere, might do something they consider tacky so we must stomp on their rights.  It's understandable right on up until it becomes the law of the land.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 06:59 AM (B/VB5)

83 Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 10:55 AM (m2CN7)

Ever dive to the ground at your range?

I was shooting at a range in the SF Bay area, and some knucklehead turned sideways and started to work the action of his rifle. 30 people hit the deck, and the rangemaster went hoarse screaming at him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 07:00 AM (WW8xK)

84 Isn't Illinois now issuing permits, or is it still hung up in the legislative process? Thought a court ruled that no-issue was unconstitutional and directed the legislature to come up with a scheme in a certain time period else carry would be Vermont-style. Posted by: @JohnTant
.............
Illinois legislature passed carry a month ago, but the Governor asked for a delay from the courts.  He is giving a speech today about how he wants to gut the law.  He will probably give the law an "amended veto" which means the legislature must accept the amended version or override the veto.  He's a real libtard cunt.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 02, 2013 07:00 AM (f9c2L)

85 Unfortunately, we Texans are also very stubborn, so it took a while for us to give up on the Democrats. In some areas they still haven't. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 10:54 AM (/PCJa) That's what the guns are for.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 02, 2013 07:01 AM (V1ZIU)

86 Vermont? The home of Bernie Sanders is as gun friendly as Wyoming and Alaska? Some days the world simply makes no sense.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 07:01 AM (HDgX3)

87

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 10:48 AM (/PCJa)

 

Interestingly, when I was listening to the Freakonomics podcast a few weeks back this was more or less the suggestion by Steve Levitt.

He pointed out that guns are pretty much a non-perishable item, so trying to regulate the sale and/or keeping of them was pretty much a waste.

Better to handle it on the back end and attach extra penalties for crimes committed with a gun.  It makes sense, and it philosophically jives with the idea that guns themselves aren't bad, it's how you use them.

(It does seem to be splitting hairs to say that "robbery" is bad but "robbery with a gun" is worse, because you're past the threshold of "bad" at which most people stop measuring difference.  But that's a minor point and we do that in the law all the time anyway.)

Posted by: tsrblke at July 02, 2013 07:01 AM (GaqMa)

88 Roadside ATF store in Bailey CO http://tinypic.com/r/2u6jn2u/5

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 07:02 AM (8sCoq)

89 That's what the guns are for. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 02, 2013 11:01 AM (V1ZIU) Everyone I have ever known growing up carried a gun. Law be damned.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 07:02 AM (XIxXP)

90

Lo Pan:  Ching Dai will be appeased, and my curse will be lifted!

 

Jack Burton:  And you can go on and rule the universe  from beyond the grave.

 

Lo Pan:  Indeed!

 

Jack Burton:  Or check into a psycho ward - whichever  comes first, right?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 02, 2013 07:02 AM (CJjw5)

91 He's a real libtard cunt. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 02, 2013 11:00 AM (f9c2L) __________ Is there any kind of Democrat?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 07:02 AM (HDgX3)

92 I'd like AR if the taint of the Bill Clinton Library, Massage Parlor, and Snake Oil Institute wasn't there in Little Rock. I encourage all Morons to go check out the ArkLaTexOk area. Sven, just teasing our northeastern neighbor. Just like I tease Okies & coonasses. I've got kin all over ne ark & the bootheel of mo.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 07:02 AM (wfhxs)

93 That's what the guns are for. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

Why do I hear Dione Warwick singing that?

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 07:02 AM (Hx2XA)

94 62 Diogenes Lamp, and unlike a majority of Team SCOAMF we hold our leaders to standards. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 10:57 AM (LRFds) That's for sure. Democrats, on the other hand, treat their leaders like Whore Hoo Ha. When they get smelly, they just wash them and reuse.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 07:03 AM (bb5+k)

95 If you hear it, I wasn't aiming for you. Posted by: rickb223
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Only if you are using really hot loads, otherwise, .45 subsonic.

Posted by: Barney Fwank at July 02, 2013 07:03 AM (aDwsi)

96 Why do I hear Dione Warwick singing that? Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 11:02 AM (Hx2XA) I smell a you tube video.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 07:03 AM (XIxXP)

97 The complete historical illiteracy of the Turn Texas Blue people makes me laugh and laugh. Actually, what they're planning has a small-but-significant chance for success. They're trying to import non-Texans to turn Texas into something it's not. Of course, we also have another thing in our corner- usually 2 full years of Texas History is required curriculum in the middle-school years. A lot of that focuses on the Texas Revolution and the Mexican-American war that followed. Just the knowledge of that history is often enough to get kids to realize how special a place Texas is.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:03 AM (/PCJa)

98 The map is wrong, Alabama has not a Shall-Issue state preior to this last legislative session.  We just had some new laws passed in that regard but I'm not sure what all ended up passing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 07:03 AM (codCi)

99 >He's a real libtard cunt. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 02, 2013 11:00 AM (f9c2L) __________ Is there any kind of Democrat? libtard dick

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 07:03 AM (8sCoq)

100

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 02, 2013 11:00 AM (f9c2L)

Statistically speaking he may end up in Jail soon if someone digs hard enough.

Has anyone tried yet?

Posted by: tsrblke at July 02, 2013 07:04 AM (GaqMa)

101 Recess time for the Zim trial.

BLDR yelling at his own witness .... again.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 02, 2013 07:04 AM (nELVU)

102 Recess time for the Zim trial. BLDR yelling at his own witness .... again. Crash & burn is a bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 07:05 AM (wfhxs)

103 I just assumed that in TX, it was legal to carry openly and you just couldn't conceal.

Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 07:05 AM (3hrXl)

104 "The complete historical illiteracy of the Turn Texas Blue people makes me laugh and laugh. " _________________ Remember California once once as conservative as Texas. Well maybe not AS conservative, but pretty damn close. Reagan was elected governor twice in CA, and he won CA twice nationally. Even Bush Sr. won CA in 1988 by a comfortable margin. And then seemingly overnight sometime in 1990, CA went full throttle libtard. Don't think it can't happen in TX as well.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 07:06 AM (HDgX3)

105 Of course, we also have another thing in our corner- usually 2 full years of Texas History is required curriculum in the middle-school years. A lot of that focuses on the Texas Revolution and the Mexican-American war that followed. Just the knowledge of that history is often enough to get kids to realize how special a place Texas is. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

Sadly,  the stuff I saw my kid studying was all about democrats.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 07:06 AM (Hx2XA)

106 BLDR yelling at his own witness .... again. Why do I get the mental image of some really "emo" effeminate dude shaking his hands in impotent rage screaming, "But you're supposed to like me! Me! Me! Me!"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:06 AM (/PCJa)

107 I was shooting at a range in the SF Bay area, and some knucklehead turned sideways and started to work the action of his rifle. 30 people hit the deck, and the rangemaster went hoarse screaming at him. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 11:00 AM (WW8xK) Bout 6 years ago we had a family reunion at a hunt lodge up in GA that a cousin ran. There's 5 or 6 of us out shooting skeet with over/under 12 and 16 gauge shotguns. One of my cousins, who is several years older than me fires two shots and then without safing the gun in any way, starts to turn toward us. Nobody ducked, we all dove at him and stopped him before he could fully turn around.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 07:06 AM (da5Wo)

108 Rickb223...tease the Okies....hmmm. Just make sure we KNOW you are just funnin' with us.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 02, 2013 07:06 AM (w8v/8)

109 Anthony Wiener is a homo erectus.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 07:07 AM (XUKZU)

110 VA has a law that the permit must be done in 45 calendar days.

My Sheriff issued mine in 45 minutes.  Signed, laminated and out the door.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 07:07 AM (codCi)

111 It continues to pain me that Vermont has better gun laws than my NH. Why do THEY get all the awesome stuff? They're just a handful of people and about two million cows, dammit. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 02, 2013 10:46 AM (4df7R) Would you trust all those cows?

Posted by: Committee Against the Bovine Menace at July 02, 2013 07:07 AM (Vk2pI)

112 So when will BLDR rage stroke, collapse, and bleed out in the docket?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 07:07 AM (03nHa)

113 97 Allen G,

Texas is not about where you're from it's about letting you do what you will as you earn it.

A lot like that America place once strove for.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:07 AM (LRFds)

114 My Sheriff issued mine in 45 minutes. Signed, laminated and out the door. Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 11:07 AM (codCi) Yep, thats the way it was in NC.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 07:07 AM (XIxXP)

115 Of course, we also have another thing in our corner- usually 2 full years of Texas History is required curriculum in the middle-school years. A lot of that focuses on the Texas Revolution and the Mexican-American war that followed. Just the knowledge of that history is often enough to get kids to realize how special a place Texas is. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 11:03 AM (/PCJa) Which is why the first thing they'd do is alter the curriculum.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 07:08 AM (da5Wo)

116 Sadly, the stuff I saw my kid studying was all about democrats. Well, Democrats were the political party in Texas for a long, long time. There's a reason that, until relatively recently, Texas Democrats were not the same as National Democrats. We voted reliably R in National Elections long before we voted R reliably in State elections. The correct thing to do, if you want to mitigate that, is focus on the ideals of those old-time democrats, and show that they're much more in line with current Conservative thinking.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:09 AM (/PCJa)

117 Crash & burn is a bitch. Posted by: rickb223

Pray that the jury knows how to recognize a train wreck when it sees one.  I still think they'll "send a message" by finding him guilty.  No matter what the evidence and the law says.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 07:09 AM (Hx2XA)

118 Rickb223...tease the Okies....hmmm. Just make sure we KNOW you are just funnin' with us. Sherry, with you & Soona, always. If it's questionable, then it's just a lame joke on my part.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 07:09 AM (wfhxs)

119 104 Mr. Moo Moo,

Believe me that is the genesis of the Run Red paradigm I counsel.

If Texas does flip the American experiment as rendered for 237 years is over.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:09 AM (LRFds)

120 Recently I met a dude from Dallas. Big Democrat, loves Obama. But he also loves guns. I can't understand how someone like that can exist. It's like loving the Red Sox and the Yankees. Simply does not compute.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 07:09 AM (HDgX3)

121 This is the same impulse that animates modern leftist Democrats: someone, somewhere, might do something they consider tacky so we must stomp on their rights. It's understandable right on up until it becomes the law of the land.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 10:59 AM (B/VB5)

 

Its not an impulse.  Its the same logic that makes me glad we don't let kids drive cars when they are 12 years old.   I understand that the Constitution trumps my concern about not just a few that might not be the best to be carrying around a gun with no training or licensing. 

 

The difference is I will accept the drawbacks that can arise from the 2nd amendment but that doesn't mean I abandon concerns about those drawbacks.

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 07:10 AM (m2CN7)

122 >>Dude, Texas was positively dominated by Democrats until the mid 90s at least. We're still clawing back from that, in some ways. When did Rick Perry stop being a Democrat?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 02, 2013 07:10 AM (g1DWB)

123 >VA has a law that the permit must be done in 45 calendar days. My Sheriff issued mine in 45 minutes. Signed, laminated and out the door. I first got my CO permit in 2008- took about an hour. Renewing in 2013 took about a month. It's common knowledge that Gov Lickenpooper has put the word out to slow down all firearms-related paperwork as much as possible

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 07:10 AM (8sCoq)

124 3 men enter, 1 man leaves. Homeowner makes a sandwich. http://tinyurl.com/n6jazr9 HOUSTON - Police said three men broke into an apartment, demanded money and showed a gun, but what they didn't know is the resident also had a gun and shot two of them to death. Neighbors at Oak Leaf Village heard gunshots around 4:30 p.m. Sunday. Houston police said there was a home invasion at one of the apartments. Lila Pena's husband, Javier Ortiz, got out his gun and fatally shot two of the men. "They said 'the money, the money,'" said Pena. Pena said her kids witnessed the whole thing, including her oldest child, 7-year-old Fernando Ortiz. "My dad took the gun out, then he shot the two," said Fernando. "He's a great hero."

Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 07:10 AM (fWAjv)

125 Texas is not about where you're from it's about letting you do what you will as you earn it. That's what it should be about. But when that "where you're from" is California or New York, I'm going to eye you with suspicion until you prove that you're *also* about that "letting AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) do what will" thing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:10 AM (/PCJa)

126

Gotta be careful. Once on a fishing trip in Alaska,  I  walked  into  a  small  convenience  store just off  the  highway,  forgetting  that  I  still  had  a  .45  strapped  to  my  waist.

 

The  owner  asked  me  if  it  was  loaded,  keeping  his  hands  behind  the  counter.  I  was  lucky  he  didn't  shoot  me  on  sight.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at July 02, 2013 07:11 AM (HBAcW)

127 By wrong you mean things you don't agree with which in no way is evidence something is wrong. Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 10:59 AM (m2CN7) Now why'd ya have to go bustin my chops about this? I hadn't planned to whip out my list of things that George Bush did wrong, but they are not only "Wrong" by the general conservative consensus, but also quite extensive. How about the prescription drug benefit? How about giving the Democrats a Unionized TSA? How about Putting Paul Bremer in charge of Iraq with his stupid "Let's root out all the Bath Party members" recipe for utter disaster? How about being a reckless spend freak that justified the Democrats truly insane spending spree? How about failure to counter criticism of himself and his policies (via Rove advice) letting Democrats paint him as the failed face of the Republican Party? How about how badly he damaged the Republican Brand by putting the lie to the claim of being fiscally conservative and interested in reducing the scope of government? And so on.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 07:11 AM (bb5+k)

128 focus on the ideals of those old-time democrats, and show that they're much more in line with current Conservative thinking.

Given that "old-time democrats" were the party of racism and slavery, maybe that's not such a great idea.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 02, 2013 07:11 AM (/kI1Q)

129 "112 So when will BLDR rage stroke, collapse, and bleed out in the docket? " - Another thing they'd try and pin on GZ.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:11 AM (7mQyC)

130 When did Rick Perry stop being a Democrat?

1989.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 07:12 AM (codCi)

131 If Texas does flip the American experiment as rendered for 237 years is over. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 11:09 AM (LRFds) _________ Definitely

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 07:12 AM (HDgX3)

132 Statistically speaking he may end up in Jail soon if someone digs hard enough.
Has anyone tried yet? Posted by: tsrblke
.........
Correct!  The last 2 governors were 2 term gubanatorial and one long term prison!

But Quinn is not so much corrupt as a libtard buffoon.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 02, 2013 07:12 AM (f9c2L)

133 I can't understand how someone like that can exist. Massive cognitive dissonance. When did Rick Perry stop being a Democrat? In the early 90s, I think? I'd have to double-check. It was certainly that timeframe, though. A lot of Democrats looked around and realized that, Nationally, the Republicans represented them better- so they switched parties.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:13 AM (/PCJa)

134 He's a real libtard cunt. Heh. You said "libtard."

Posted by: Beavis at July 02, 2013 07:13 AM (JQuNB)

135 Would you trust all those cows?

Cows with Guns?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 02, 2013 07:13 AM (/kI1Q)

136 Sadly, the stuff I saw my kid studying was all about democrats. Last year my daughters end of the year social studies project was a three demesional board 2'x3' mapping out the life of Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 07:13 AM (XIxXP)

137 122 JackStraw,

sometime after '88-'92...

Reagan quit being a democrat in his late 30s IIRC.

Things change, you wake up ideally and go "whoa I can't follow you down those paths anymore this is too far."

That's not necessarily a sign of treachery it is a sign of character so long as you're not already in office as something you're not.

Face the people, state your case.

I wish more people pondered their partisanship.

I sincerely think I should probably have left the GOP in 2004, and likely still pulled for Bush but left.

This party has done nothing towards anything I recognize as a useful agenda in a long, long time.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:13 AM (LRFds)

138 Roseanne Barr weighs in:

"too bad trayvon was unnarmed, or GZ would be the dead one. ARM ALL TEENAGERS!"

From Twitchy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 07:13 AM (XUKZU)

139 Jersey is a "may issue"? WTF does that mean? You have a better chance of smoking pot with god while tag teaming Christina Hendricks than you do getting a carry permit in jersey. May issue...yeah good one.

Posted by: Berserker at July 02, 2013 07:14 AM (FMbng)

140 I just assumed that in TX, it was legal to carry openly and you just couldn't conceal.

Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 11:05 AM (3hrXl) -- You can openly carry a shotgun and no permit required

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2013 07:14 AM (R8hU8)

141 That's what it should be about. But when that "where you're from" is California or New York, I'm going to eye you with suspicion until you prove that you're *also* about that "letting Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things do what will" thing. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

That's a lot of what happened to Colorado.  California vermin screwing up the place.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 07:14 AM (Hx2XA)

142 Last year my daughters end of the year social studies project was a three demesional board 2'x3' mapping out the life of Ronald Reagan. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 11:13 AM (XIxXP) My daughter was in Kindergarten this year. She was supposed to make a poster of her favorite president (she's in fucking kindergarten you stupid @#$*#$#*) for president's day. Care to guess what she took in?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 07:15 AM (da5Wo)

143 Roseanne Barr weighs in:

Avenge me, boys.  AVENGE MEEEE!!!!

Posted by: Roseanne Barr's last functioning synapse weighs in: at July 02, 2013 07:15 AM (codCi)

144 Given that "old-time democrats" were the party of racism and slavery, maybe that's not such a great idea. They weren't so much in Texas. Texas, as a Slave State, didn't have that many slaves- most people who ran here couldn't afford them, and by the time they could they were used to working their farms themselves. Indeed, the man who first insisted on freeing the slaves in the South was a General from Texas (my home town was named for him). The "Oh, Slavery is Cool!" thing was mostly in more eastern parts of the Union.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:15 AM (/PCJa)

145

  People seem to understand the common sense of CC....regardless of how badly the MSM want and push the narrative of a leftist benevolent police state.... law abiding people want to be able to defend themselves and their families from thugs....guns are the best tool for that...

 

  When will these same common sense people wake up to the fact that the MSM are pushing the twisted leftist narrative on everything else they cover ( or don't cover as the Gosnell trial has shown)...

 

  Maybe, just maybe, the right/conservative/libertarians should follow the NRAs lead in the gun control debate and give no quarter...

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at July 02, 2013 07:15 AM (/PJ/D)

146

  People seem to understand the common sense of CC....regardless of how badly the MSM want and push the narrative of a leftist benevolent police state.... law abiding people want to be able to defend themselves and their families from thugs....guns are the best tool for that...

 

  When will these same common sense people wake up to the fact that the MSM are pushing the twisted leftist narrative on everything else they cover ( or don't cover as the Gosnell trial has shown)...

 

  Maybe, just maybe, the right/conservative/libertarians should follow the NRAs lead in the gun control debate and give no quarter...

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at July 02, 2013 07:15 AM (/PJ/D)

147 Last year my daughters end of the year social studies project was a three demesional board 2'x3' mapping out the life of Ronald Reagan. Did one of the squares feature him riding the velociraptor with a shotgun?

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 07:15 AM (GQ8sn)

148 And then seemingly overnight sometime in 1990, CA went full throttle libtard. Don't think it can't happen in TX as well. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 11:06 AM (HDgX3) Liberals started exerting their control of the media, especially the "news" services. (Better titled the Democrat Propaganda service.) It is a combination of factors which has caused the leftward swing in this nation, but most prominent among them is control of the media.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 07:15 AM (bb5+k)

149 >You have a better chance of smoking pot with god while tag teaming Christina Hendricks than you do getting a carry permit in jersey. and MD makes the Jersey process look easy- I don't know why a person would even open a gun store in Maryland

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 07:16 AM (8sCoq)

150 Gee, you'd think Amerikkka would be awash in the blood if millions of innocents after all those bad gun-thingy permits were issued.

Funny how that didn't happen.

FYI, now the prosecution is trying to get the tsetimony of its own detective/witness stricken from the record at Zimmerman's trial. Must be Obama followers to fuck things up that good...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 02, 2013 07:16 AM (wtvvX)

151 138 - So Miss Barr is wishing death on people in tweets now, how MIGHTY big of her.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:16 AM (7mQyC)

152 Roseanne Barr weighs in:

"too bad trayvon was unnarmed, or GZ would be the dead one. ARM ALL TEENAGERS!"

From Twitchy.
Posted by: WalrusRex


Talk about target rich environment.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 07:16 AM (Hx2XA)

153 That's a lot of what happened to Colorado. California vermin screwing up the place. Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 11:14 AM (Hx2XA) Those blue staters are very much like liberal locusts. They destroy their own cities, move to good cities, destroy those cities and move on. All the time bitching about how good it was in NY or Ca or NJ.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 07:16 AM (XIxXP)

154 Care to guess what she took in? Justin Beiber?

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 07:16 AM (GQ8sn)

155 My daughter was in Kindergarten this year. She was supposed to make a poster of her favorite president (she's in fucking kindergarten you stupid @#$*#$#*) for president's day. Care to guess what she took in? Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 11:15 AM (da5Wo) __________________ Lemme guess 70% of the posters were St. Barrrack?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 07:17 AM (HDgX3)

156 how MIGHTY big of her.

ISWYDT

Posted by: Roseanne Barr's last functioning synapse weighs in: at July 02, 2013 07:17 AM (codCi)

157 You can openly carry a shotgun and no permit required Any long gun. Care to guess what she took in? Calvin Coolidge?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:17 AM (/PCJa)

158 Don't think it can't happen in TX as well. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 11:06 AM (HDgX3) That's my exact point. The Turn Texas Blue people act as if Texas has been heart's blood red forever and ever and ever amen. Um. No. Of course I think Texas can go full libtard. I know what happened in California. What makes me laugh is those who think that they are doing something new. The locust plague voting pattern has been going on since, what? 1951? Earlier?

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 07:17 AM (VtjlW)

159

Hey GA!  You're getting pwnd by Arkansas - got on the ball.  ConCarry now!

 

GA is better than many on carry laws, but the price to exercise my rights has basically doubled over the last 10 years and it's insulting.  End the bullshit.

Posted by: Jaws at July 02, 2013 07:17 AM (4I3Uo)

160 and MD makes the Jersey process look easy- I don't know why a person would even open a gun store in Maryland That reminds me, has anyone heard from Hobo Jerky about his "purchase"?

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 07:17 AM (GQ8sn)

161
That's a lot of what happened to Colorado. California vermin screwing up the place.

-----

Liberal Locusts

Devour a once fruitful and fertile area.   Realize they are now living in an economic wasteland.    Move away for jobs and lower taxes..... but keep their faith in their dogma and begin to devour again.

Lather.Rinse.Repeat.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 02, 2013 07:17 AM (nELVU)

162 Did one of the squares feature him riding the velociraptor with a shotgun? Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 11:15 AM (GQ8sn) , no, but the daughter did make a small replica of his favorite horse.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 07:18 AM (XIxXP)

163 50, nifty, united states from 13 original colonies...

Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 07:18 AM (hc19V)

164 >>That's not necessarily a sign of treachery it is a sign of character so long as you're not already in office as something you're not. Indeed. I hope that sentiment carries until the next election cycle.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 02, 2013 07:18 AM (g1DWB)

165 FYI, now the prosecution is trying to get the tsetimony of its own detective/witness stricken from the record at Zimmerman's trial Wait, what? Can you even do that?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:18 AM (/PCJa)

166 re: 151 - and Miss Barr...odd how there is no fallout from that but a HS kids cracks a joke about how he's not crazy and not gonna shoot up his school or anything on facebook and he's now facing terroristic threat charges.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:18 AM (7mQyC)

167 Justin Beiber? Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 11:16 AM (GQ8sn) I'm pretty sure the Empress will allow me to borrow and emu and a box.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 07:18 AM (da5Wo)

168

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 11:11 AM (bb5+k)

 

What about the prescription drug benefit?  He didn't 'give' anything to the Democrats.  He lost that battle.   You have no idea what would have occurred if the 'Bath' members would have remained in your 20/20 hindsight.   The budget deficit compared to GDP was less than Reagan's.   Any you being one of the biggest advocates of the Media!!!! is the problem with messaging expects GWB to simply be able  speak up to defend himself, which he did by constantly defending his positions rather than himself.   Wonder why that didn't stick? 

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 07:19 AM (m2CN7)

169 Mine finally arrived a few days ago-- I sat on the application because my state was embroiled in a scandal over providing info on CCW holders to the feds.

Posted by: zsasz at July 02, 2013 07:20 AM (MMC8r)

170 165 - They already did it earlier today, that last question from yesterday....was stricken without even argument from defense; jury was instructed to disregard it. I don't think they will though since it sat all night in their heads.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:20 AM (7mQyC)

171 I'm pretty sure the Empress will allow me to borrow and emu and a box. Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 11:18 AM (da5Wo) *shoves grammar through the usb port for you first*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 07:20 AM (VtjlW)

172 153 OSP,

I taught my son to think of them as locusts, it is all they are.

They leave behind burned out husks of statess they ravage the sensible resource based states.

If I had faith we could sway Hispanics I'd be counseling an invasion of California....

if we flip California, or New York, while holding Texas we win.


The problem really is the media and I am going to point out without calling for its use that there is a very ethical moral case to be made for hard actions against the media for their bias.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:20 AM (LRFds)

173 Wait, what? Can you even do that?

They should have objected at the time because it called for a conclusion from the witness rather than the jury.  But they didn't.  But the judge was ... compliant.

I don't know how well the objection/striking will work.  It allowed the jury to hear the question and answer yet again.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 07:21 AM (codCi)

174 Posted by: zsasz at July 02, 2013 11:20 AM (MMC8r)

----

You live in Missouri???

Posted by: fixerupper at July 02, 2013 07:21 AM (nELVU)

175 *shoves grammar through the usb port for you first* Trololololol!!!

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 07:21 AM (GQ8sn)

176 Hey GA! You're getting pwnd by Arkansas - got on the ball. ConCarry now! --- No argument from this Georgian.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:21 AM (7mQyC)

177 NY is "may issue" but you have have to prove a need over and above that of the general public. Whatever the fuck that means - and it means whatever the fuck the licensing officers wants it to mean. Unlimited discretion.
A shotgun or rifle can be purchased with just a background check - those that are still legal now, anyway - and I think it's legal to carry one openly. But just try it and see how fast a SWAT team shows up.

Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 07:21 AM (REcq5)

178 *shoves grammar through the usb port for you first* Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 11:20 AM (VtjlW) That was unnecessarily snarky. That doesn't make it any less true, but still.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 07:21 AM (da5Wo)

179 That's a lot of what happened to Colorado. California vermin screwing up the place.


I should add that millions of dollars from Progressive Insurance also won a lot of elections in Colorado for the dems.  If you have Progressive Insurance,  get something else.

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 07:21 AM (Hx2XA)

180 A lot of that focuses on the Texas Revolution and the Mexican-American war that followed. Just the knowledge of that history is often enough to get kids to realize how special a place Texas is.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 11:03 AM (/PCJa)

------

Give us a bit more time please.


Posted by: Education Prefessional at July 02, 2013 07:22 AM (eEfYn)

181

Roseanne Barr weighs in:

 

ISWYDT

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 02, 2013 07:22 AM (0HooB)

182 That was unnecessarily snarky. That doesn't make it any less true, but still. Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 11:21 AM (da5Wo) *arches brow* You are questioning my commitment to Sparkle Snarking? I have a particular loathing for an/and misuse. Even more so when I catch myself doing it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 07:23 AM (VtjlW)

183 "Roseanne Barr weighs in:" --- We're gonna need a bigger scale.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:23 AM (7mQyC)

184 NY is "may issue" but you have have to prove a need over and above that of the general public. Someone who gets mugged needs to take that to court and get it overturned. The entire point of the 2nd Amendment is that the "general public" has the "right to keep and bear arms." My need shouldn't have to be "over and above that of the general public" because the general public should all be carrying weapons (or be allowed to if they so desire).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:23 AM (/PCJa)

185 Let's not make all threads GZ threads, please.

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2013 07:23 AM (KXm42)

186 180 education professional as approved by Bill Ayers,

Oh I am giving you all the time you need to join the media in the strong ethical case folder...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:23 AM (LRFds)

187 Of course, we also have another thing in our corner- usually 2 full years of Texas History is required curriculum in the middle-school years.

Yeah, but it's libtard NEA-for-life members teaching it.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 07:23 AM (B/VB5)

188 AllenG, here's the story:

"Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda began by asking the judge to strike from the record a statement Detective Chris Serino made Monday in which he said he found credible Zimmerman's account of how he got into a fight with Trayvon Martin. De la Rionda argued the statement was improper because one witness isn't allowed to give an opinion on the credibility of another witness. Defense attorney Mark O'Mara argued it was proper because Serino was vetting Zimmerman's veracity in his probe."

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 02, 2013 07:24 AM (wtvvX)

189 Posted by: Education Prefessional at July 02, 2013 11:22 AM (eEfYn) We already killed C-SCOPE. Wanna go best 2-out-of-3?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:24 AM (/PCJa)

190 You live in Missouri??? Yup. I had about five days on my instruction certificate left before I would have had to take the class again.

Posted by: zsasz at July 02, 2013 07:24 AM (MMC8r)

191 yikes..... sorry for the double post!

Posted by: I see everything twice!! at July 02, 2013 07:24 AM (/PJ/D)

192 I have a particular loathing for an/and misuse. Even more so when I catch myself doing it. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 11:23 AM (VtjlW) Its pretty dam annoying when that happens.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 07:24 AM (da5Wo)

193 Those blue staters are very much like liberal locusts. They destroy their own cities, move to good cities, destroy those cities and move on. All the time bitching about how good it was in NY or Ca or NJ. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 02, 2013 11:16 AM (XIxXP) ____________ If I hear one more CA refugee complain about the lack of good sushi here I will fucking drop kick them right there and then.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 02, 2013 07:25 AM (HDgX3)

194 The STATE is calling Zimmerman's best friend as a witness?! WT?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 02, 2013 07:25 AM (X6akg)

195 Yeah, but it's libtard NEA-for-life members teaching it. Not in Texas. No Teachers Unions. Teachers cannot belong to a Union. Now, what they have instead are "Professional Organizations" which act (in every way) like Unions- but they are not (technically) unions, and no Texas Teacher (at least last I checked, it may have changed, though) can be a part of the NEA. Texas has Right-to-Work even for Government offices.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:25 AM (/PCJa)

196 "too bad trayvon was unnarmed, or GZ would be the dead one. ARM ALL TEENAGERS!" So St. Trademark would have just gunned him down? So he wasn't a sweet, innocent 10-year-old on the way back from choir practice?

Posted by: zsasz at July 02, 2013 07:26 AM (MMC8r)

197
O/T.... but did anybody else catch that Doris Kearns Goodwin speech for the 150th Anniversary of the Battle of Gettyburgh???


She droned on and on about Johnson, the civils rights movement, gay rights, womens equality.... all the stuff those soldiers fought and died for.


(do I REALLY need to add a sarc tag???)

Posted by: fixerupper at July 02, 2013 07:26 AM (nELVU)

198 194 Tami,

They're gonna try to get the friend to besmirch GZ as a Charles Bronson wannabe, the funny thing is GZ is if anything an earnest liberal crusader in the NE civil rights crusader mold ala MS burning....

this is gonna be good.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:27 AM (LRFds)

199 They'll probably ask the best friend if GZ EVER in his life used a racial slur, told an offensive joke, etc. If he says no, he'll be called a liar. If he says yes, GZ is a racist.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 07:27 AM (ZshNr)

200 Texas has Right-to-Work even for Government offices.

That actually makes the steady drip of Texas teacher stories on WZ even more horrifying then.  (Latest: Fort Worth senior will prance around with a Palestinian flag during graduation).

Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 07:27 AM (B/VB5)

201 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 30, 2013 03:41 PM (jjvz+) Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (cb/Vq)

202 195 Allen G,

Which is why in an alternate universe where I'd stayed in Texas all wife's career instead of skipping around like a stone I'd likely be a teacher.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (LRFds)

203 this is gonna be good. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 11:27 AM (LRFds) He said a minute ago, 'George Zimmerman is the best friend I've ever had.'

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (X6akg)

204 Did I hear that right, did the State just call the Air Marshall guy, a best friend of GZ (and the dude that trained him with his gun)?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (7mQyC)

205 The STATE is calling Zimmerman's best friend as a witness?! WT? You know, if this had been a well-executed prosecution, I'd say it was to go ahead and get him out of the way- while doing as much damage to his credibility as possible. With this prosecutor, though, I'm pretty sure it's just another mis-step.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (/PCJa)

206 New witness - Zim left the home like he did every Sunday night to get lunches for the weak.

Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (r98SZ)

207 Roseanne Barr weighs in: Avenge me, boys. AVENGE MEEEE!!!! Here, eat a Snickers.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (wfhxs)

208 Since this is pretty much The Gun Thread. You seen the security footage of the cop shooting the guy that snatched the kid in the head at point blank range? Good man.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (da5Wo)

209 I think the Texas State Teachers Association is an NEA-affiliate.

Posted by: Education Prefessional at July 02, 2013 07:28 AM (eEfYn)

210 Okay fuck it make every thread a GZ thread.

Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2013 07:29 AM (KXm42)

211 Texas allows carry of weapons with no permit in automobiles. In addition you can carry your weapon (concealed) to and from your residence from and to your car.

Pistols in a car have to be concealed from outside viewers but may be accessible to the driver.

If I hadn't lost my pistol in that boating accident in the Gulf of Mexico that is how I would carry it today.

Also even in the "no issue" days you could carry a shotgun in a gun rack in a vehicle.

As far as I know open carry of a shotgun in Texas is legal.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 02, 2013 07:29 AM (ylhEn)

212 200 Ian S,

The area in Texas where moonbats attack is that Texas teachers are still trained in Moonbatovia aka Higher Education and any area where liberals get control of the boards is at risk for batshit crazy.

That sucks, but it is the price of liberty and why decent people must move to Texas if able when their Blue State existence fails.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:29 AM (LRFds)

213 You seen the security footage of the cop shooting the guy that snatched the kid in the head at point blank range?

Good man.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 11:28 AM (da5Wo)



is there a link??

Posted by: Berserker at July 02, 2013 07:30 AM (FMbng)

214 210 Okay fuck it make every thread a GZ thread. Posted by: eleven at July 02, 2013 11:29 AM (KXm42) Just like every thread becomes a boobehs or guns thread. Deal with it.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 02, 2013 07:30 AM (X6akg)

215 NY is "may issue" but you have have to prove a need over and above that of the general public.

Someone who gets mugged needs to take that to court and get it overturned. The entire point of the 2nd Amendment is that the "general public" has the "right to keep and bear arms." My need shouldn't have to be "over and above that of the general public" because the general public should all be carrying weapons (or be allowed to if they so desire).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 11:23 AM (/PCJa)


It's been done. We lost in state and federal courts. The Supreme Court just denied cert to hear the case. I know one of the lawyers on the pro-2d amendment side.The case is Kachalsky v Cacace.


Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 07:30 AM (REcq5)

216 What about the prescription drug benefit? He didn't 'give' anything to the Democrats. He lost that battle. You have no idea what would have occurred if the 'Bath' members would have remained in your 20/20 hindsight. The budget deficit compared to GDP was less than Reagan's. Any you being one of the biggest advocates of the Media!!!! is the problem with messaging expects GWB to simply be able speak up to defend himself, which he did by constantly defending his positions rather than himself. Wonder why that didn't stick? Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 11:19 AM (m2CN7) If you wish to debate this further, i'm all for it, but doing so in the comments section is simply bothersome. Do you have another forum you prefer? But I will point out that in the Paul Bremer example, we have precedent in the treatment of the Nazis after WWII. We put them back to work, and they didn't go on a massive insurgent killing spree. The very day they announced they were disbanding the Iraqi army and prohibiting Bathists from working in the government, I told everyone around me that we should expect a massive retaliatory blood letting. A few days later the bombs started going off, and the killing just kept getting worse and worse. Bush and Bremer took a victory, and damn near turned it into a costly bloody defeat with that one stupid decision. Any IDIOT could have seen that coming. And you think not doing debatheification could have been worse? How could it have been worse?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 07:30 AM (bb5+k)

217 " Okay fuck it make every thread a GZ thread." --- No problem

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:31 AM (7mQyC)

218 294 ThisBeingMilt,

Yes, correct.  A trained to insane standards Federal marksman who trained GZ and found him of sound character is a Prosecutorial witness...

ie my theory on who is running what case.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:31 AM (LRFds)

219 That actually makes the steady drip of Texas teacher stories on WZ even more horrifying then. (Latest: Fort Worth senior will prance around with a Palestinian flag during graduation). You only hear about the bad ones. Keep that in perspective. Even my son's young, black, definite Obama Voter kindergarten teacher kept her politics at home, and did her best (which was piss poor, but that's a different issue) just to teach the kids. Most teachers/schools are incompetent in the way that public schools will be. Some are good, fewer are great, a rare breed indeed are superlative. On the flip side, some aren't so good, fewer are outright bad, and a (not rare-enough) few are terrible- either because they won't keep their politics at home, or because they're actively criminal.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:31 AM (/PCJa)

220 Keep your friends close, but keep anemones closer!

Posted by: Actiniaria at July 02, 2013 07:31 AM (/kI1Q)

221 Regarding Mr. Zimmerman's weight gain, is he now or has he ever used a Paula Deen recipe?

Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 07:31 AM (fWAjv)

222 You seen the security footage of the cop shooting the guy that snatched the kid in the head at point blank range?

No, but that sounds *awesome*.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 07:32 AM (B/VB5)

223 They called his friend because I assume he gave a statement to the cops regarding a statement GZ made that is inconsistent with what GZ said to the cops or something.

Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 07:32 AM (hc19V)

224 Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 02, 2013 11:24 AM (da5Wo) *eye twitch* Now you're doing it on purpose. *eyetwtich* Okay for something somewhat on the topic of the post, I'm still trying to sort out what the negligence law should be when carrying a gun in a ConCarry state. This is based on an assumption here is that there is no requirement for training before carrying and would also apply to those states where there is no training requirement before issuance of a carry permit. My initial leaning is that a gun is somewhere between any other object and a dangerous instrumentality. I don't want the burdens that come with finding a gun to be per se a dangerous instrument but a gun is not a stapler. If that execrable scrunt who wrote the Ms. article actually loaded her gun and then dropped it and the gun went off and someone was hit, then of course she should be liable. I'm just not sure where on the scale of due care carrying a gun should be. I shall ponder more. Oh, hey, was it ever determined if said Ms. chick was lying her ass off about getting the permit?

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 07:32 AM (VtjlW)

225 The problem really is the media and I am going to point out without calling for its use that there is a very ethical moral case to be made for hard actions against the media for their bias. Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 11:20 AM (LRFds) This is how I feel. As far as i'm concerned, if the shit hits the fan, every member of the liberal media deserves the Lord Haw-Haw treatment.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 07:32 AM (bb5+k)

226
is there a link??

Posted by: Berserker at July 02, 2013 11:30 AM (FMbng)


Being lazy, it is on The Blaze.

Posted by: Adam at July 02, 2013 07:32 AM (Aif/5)

227 I should add that millions of dollars from Progressive Insurance also won a lot of elections in Colorado for the dems. If you have Progressive Insurance, get something else. Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 11:21 AM (Hx2XA) Same with GEICO. (Government Employees Insurance COmpany. )

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 07:33 AM (bb5+k)

228 I think the Texas State Teachers Association is an NEA-affiliate. It may be an affiliate, but it is not the NEA. Also, TSTA is only one of 3 or 4 different teachers associations (and among the least effective). The one lauded by teachers I know as "the best" is the UEA (United Educators Association), which is also the smallest, I think.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:33 AM (/PCJa)

229

They're gonna try to get the friend to besmirch GZ as a Charles Bronson wannabe, the funny thing is GZ is if anything an earnest liberal crusader in the NE civil rights crusader mold ala MS burning....

 

GZ was on the side of a homeless guy that got assaulted in Sanford one night. I  was doing a gig in the bar that the attack was right outside of   and saw the aftermath. Some sheriff's  brat of a son coldcocked the guy and  laid him out on the sidewalk.   Brat also had a previous arrest.

 

GZ walked neighborhoods and put  flyers on cars to get the brat brought  up on charges, which took a couple of months, for some strange reason.

 

GZ's no racist.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 02, 2013 07:33 AM (0HooB)

230 I'm sick of the morons of the MSM and social media claiming GZ is racist. 1. he's have minority, including black 2. i'm sure he sucked obama's dick up until the time he was arrested probably still does 3. He went to bat against Sandford PD for the black homeless guy.

Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 07:33 AM (hc19V)

231 Zimmerman Trial - A slim jim (burglary tool) was found in the bushes where Travon had been hiding?!?!  First I've heard that!

Posted by: Dang - I watch a lot of TV so I know things at July 02, 2013 07:34 AM (Hx2XA)

232 >Just like every thread becomes a boobehs or guns thread. Deal with it. Posted by: Tami at July 02, 2013 11:30 AM (X6akg) or a 'what started the Civil War' thread or a medieval weapons thread

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 07:34 AM (8sCoq)

233 223 - Only reason that makes sense, why do I get the felling though it'll be 1 pt to State and 5 to the defense.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:34 AM (7mQyC)

234 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 30, 2013 03:41 PM (jjvz+) Found a Paula recipe for dog biscuits. It sounds so good I intend to make some for Mrs W & myself.

Posted by: Weimar Republican at July 02, 2013 07:35 AM (cb/Vq)

235 "or a medieval weapons thread" --- ...let's not get carried away now.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:35 AM (7mQyC)

236 and save a pimento of the occasion- you know, for posterior

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 07:36 AM (8sCoq)

237 I'm still trying to sort out what the negligence law should be when carrying a gun in a ConCarry state. Ummm... about the same as (say) a knife or any other tool which is easily able to injure/maim/kill? I mean, i might get second looks if I carried one of those 3' long wrenches you can find at hardware stores around, but it wouldn't be illegal. If I'm swinging it around ('cause "wheeeee!") and accidentally hit someone, I can do massive damage. Negligence with a gun should not be in the carrying, but the use. If I'm taking it out and playing with it- that's negligence. If it's properly holstered? Not negligence.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:37 AM (/PCJa)

238
They're gonna try to get the friend to besmirch GZ as a Charles Bronson wannabe, the funny thing is GZ is if anything an earnest liberal crusader in the NE civil rights crusader mold ala MS burning....

this is gonna be good.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 11:27 AM (LRFds)

Of course the fact that GZ is 25% black interferes with the narrative of "white - hispanic" and won't ever see the light of day in the courtroom.


Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 02, 2013 07:37 AM (ylhEn)

239 Still waiting for my Illinois FOID card since February. They just missed the 30 day turnaround time. Pretty effective gun control.

Posted by: Alittleenglish at July 02, 2013 07:38 AM (rNaz8)

240 He was only 8" on the concrete not 16".... guilty!! /sarc

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:39 AM (7mQyC)

241 Dear Mississippi state judge, fuck off.  Thank you.

Posted by: Mississippi's Attorney General at July 02, 2013 07:39 AM (nsOJa)

242 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 11:37 AM (/PCJa) Obviously, you are not a liberal lawyer! Guns locked in a gun safe are dangerous to them!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at July 02, 2013 07:39 AM (cb/Vq)

243 Of course the fact that GZ is 25% black interferes with the narrative of "white - hispanic" and won't ever see the light of day in the courtroom. Hopefully it will via the defense.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 02, 2013 07:39 AM (wfhxs)

244 greta van Scientologist is live tweeting the GZ testimony

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 07:39 AM (8sCoq)

245 and save a pimento of the occasion- you know, for posterior peregrination.

Posted by: garrett at July 02, 2013 07:40 AM (FVt5o)

246 238 An Observation,

It should give pause to the many mixed ethnicity common folk however.

What we're witnessing is a revival of the one drop rule with a plot twist.

It's sick.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:40 AM (LRFds)

247 The State puts another Jorge character witness on the stand.  Baffling.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 07:40 AM (codCi)

248 244 greta van Scientologist is live tweeting the GZ testimony Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 11:39 AM (8sCoq) How's it looking today?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 02, 2013 07:40 AM (9+ccr)

249 The State puts another Jorge character witness on the stand. Baffling. I really wish I could watch the live-feed. Is it really that bad (for the State)?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:41 AM (/PCJa)

250 230 Doesn't matter. None of this is about facts, it's about community organizing the masses. Zimmerman is their Emmanuel Goldstein.

Posted by: zsasz at July 02, 2013 07:42 AM (MMC8r)

251 So the prosecution is proving that Zim did this whole thing lawfull and by the book. In bizzaro world thats a prosecutable offense.

Posted by: UWP at July 02, 2013 07:42 AM (r98SZ)

252

Posted by: Mark Kelly at July 02, 2013 10:51 AM (MRYTR)

 

 

 

 

Holy crap! Is that an appropriate hash or what?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at July 02, 2013 07:42 AM (cyKNf)

253 So why is Roseanne Barr getting air time anymore save as a pre-Black Hole waiting for the final implosion into irrelevance.

She should go back to dress up as Hitler baking cookies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 07:42 AM (03nHa)

254
One thing that really brightens my day is going to the range and seeing lots of new shooters on their first range trip, especially here in my beloved Clownifornia. Last weekend while I was getting some trigger time, at LEAST 1/3 of the people on the range were new shooters, largest new shooter percentage I've ever seen at that range.

Plus, the old guy next to me shooting a gorgeous old Colt Woodsman. He was easily pushing 80 yrs old, and this was his first range trip in about 40 years. Helped him set up targets and such, since he wasn't as spry as when he was 20 (his phrase).

Stuff like that gives me hope.........and then I remember who's in charge of this State. Grrrrrrrrr.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2013 07:43 AM (TIIx5)

255 How's it looking today?

***

It was conclusively proven that being shot to death does not make you any taller.  Prosecutor is a snarky, sarcastic SOB and I doubt it plays well with the jury.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 07:43 AM (XUKZU)

256 This 'witness' is confirming Zimmerman's story...as told to him. (He wrote a book about it.) I'm completely confused as to why State called him.....

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 02, 2013 07:44 AM (X6akg)

257 We should ban all guns Guns are black Guns are bad Therefore guns are racist BAN GUNS!!!!!!11!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 07:44 AM (j8JLb)

258
Technically, California is 'No Issue'....and I suspect other 'May Issue' states are in the same boat.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 02, 2013 07:44 AM (0IhFx)

259 Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 11:40 AM (LRFds) One drop rule, but with the best of intentions! Welcome to post racial Amerikkka.

Posted by: Weimar Republican at July 02, 2013 07:44 AM (cb/Vq)

260 Ummm... about the same as (say) a knife or any other tool which is easily able to injure/maim/kill? I mean, i might get second looks if I carried one of those 3' long wrenches you can find at hardware stores around, but it wouldn't be illegal. If I'm swinging it around ('cause "wheeeee!") and accidentally hit someone, I can do massive damage. Negligence with a gun should not be in the carrying, but the use. If I'm taking it out and playing with it- that's negligence. If it's properly holstered? Not negligence. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 11:37 AM (/PCJa) Oh, sorry, I was unclear. Of course, I don't mean properly carrying is negligence. Of course not. I mean what happens when something goes wrong, not just carrying in general.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 07:44 AM (VtjlW)

261 Ooo he was going for the gun versus he may have actually briefly touched the gun.  Damning evidence.

Posted by: Adam at July 02, 2013 07:44 AM (Aif/5)

262 I really wish I could watch the live-feed. Is it really that bad (for the State)? ------------- Link: http://tinyurl.com/kx2tzet It has been to date, and today hasn't been much different.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:44 AM (7mQyC)

263 Roseanne Barr isn't lined in fat, it's rage. Unfortunately her intellectual reach is even less than her vertical jump.

Posted by: zsasz at July 02, 2013 07:45 AM (MMC8r)

264 "He wrote a book about it." --- I assume with GZ approval...else he's not really a friend.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:45 AM (7mQyC)

265 http://tinyurl.com/n3x5sab

Illinois Police Chief resigns over claims he was a Navy Seal...

quick folks it's time for a game of NAME THAT PARTY!

*hint* It's a Democrat town....

2 police Chiefs in 2 months...

hats off Illinois your gift to America as a whole was indicative.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 07:46 AM (LRFds)

266 Negligence with a gun should not be in the carrying, but the use. If I'm taking it out and playing with it- that's negligence.

Not sure if that is even negligence, and yes, I know that all firearms are loaded even when not.  As you say, it is in the use, not the carrying.  There are many items that when handled improperly can kill/injure at a distance. I do believe it is not advisable however to un-holster.

Posted by: dogfish at July 02, 2013 07:46 AM (nsOJa)

267 Now craving a pimento cheese sammich.

Posted by: Dang at July 02, 2013 07:47 AM (Hx2XA)

268 hat reminds me, has anyone heard from Hobo Jerky about his "purchase"? Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 11:17 AM (GQ8sn) Its sitting at the shop being useless until the Maryland State Police say so.

Posted by: HoboJerky at July 02, 2013 07:47 AM (NRQlH)

269 I could really use a slim jim right now - the tabasco one.

Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 07:47 AM (hc19V)

270 "quick folks it's time for a game of NAME THAT PARTY!" --- You always know the party with it's either not mentioned or buried 5 or 6 paragraphs deep. They always seem to get the (R) in the headline or in the first paragraph.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:48 AM (7mQyC)

271 "Basically, if you "play nice" the State will, too. If you don't, they won't. Which I think is fair."

I have a relation who is on the bad side of that situation. As I described yesterday he was involved in a shootout with 2 armed robbers at a motorcycle shop in Charleston SC. 2 guys bust in brandishing pistols, shoot and kills one guy who was with my relative. Manager and clerk run out the back. My relative has a CC permit, draws and shoots back, kills the 2 perps but not before he himself was shot and wounded. My relative is the only one to survive the shootout.

Now the cops have charged him, the survivor with murder 2.

Posted by: navybrat at July 02, 2013 07:48 AM (HJatN)

272 Illinois Police Chief resigns over claims he was a Navy Seal...

I first read that as "being a Navy SEAL disqualifies you for office in Illinois".  And with IL in the condition it's in that didn't seem immediately wrong.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 07:48 AM (B/VB5)

273 I am soooo happy to be an ex-Californian and live in a shall issue state.

Yeah, I gave up some things I loved but in the end I hated California more than I loved it. 

Posted by: mpfs East Coast Moron, I Will Not Comply at July 02, 2013 07:49 AM (0KGqp)

274

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 02, 2013 11:44 AM (VtjlW)

 

What happens when something goes wrong while driving your car?

I'd imagine much the same approach.

(Take the tool out of it.  I'm carrying a heavy bag, I drop it on someone's foot, what happens?)

Posted by: tsrblke at July 02, 2013 07:49 AM (GaqMa)

275 So the judge threw out testimony today that helped the defense?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at July 02, 2013 07:49 AM (9+ccr)

276 269. 50 cents each at 7/11 Start snapping

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 07:50 AM (Rc23U)

277 "Now the cops have charged him, the survivor with murder 2. " --- Assholes and Motherf_cking punks!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:50 AM (7mQyC)

278 I mean what happens when something goes wrong, not just carrying in general. I guess I'm completely missing the question, then. Why would "when something goes wrong" for a gun be any different than that really freaking big wrench I was talking about, or your car, or a nailgun, or whatever? I do believe it is not advisable however to un-holster. No, I meant really "playing." Doing the "fast draw and spin" thing like you see in old western movies, or whatever.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:50 AM (/PCJa)

279 Just for the heck of it.  From 1946.  A Matter of Life and Death from 1946.  Staring David Niven and Kim Hunter.  A British pilot has died but through a goof gets 20 extra hours and falls in love.  Skip about 45 seconds in get the Heavenly court deciding if the pilot gets to go back to Earth.

http://youtu.be/HwNELNSvPzI

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 07:50 AM (03nHa)

280 has anyone heard from Hobo Jerky about his "purchase"? Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 11:17 AM (GQ8sn) Its sitting at the shop being useless until the Maryland State Police say so. Posted by: HoboJerky at July 02, 2013 11:47 AM (NRQlH) Dude...

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 07:51 AM (GQ8sn)

281 This HAS to be a show trial. To show that they were right in not charging him. Al Sharpton may not buy the evidence, but everyne else will see the deal.

Posted by: blaster at July 02, 2013 07:51 AM (W6bkf)

282 Posted by: navybrat at July 02, 2013 11:48 AM (HJatN) Sounds like England

Posted by: Weimar Republican at July 02, 2013 07:51 AM (cb/Vq)

283 275 - Yes but it frankly it really didn't matter... a) cause the jury heard the fact that lead investigator thought GZ was being truthful multiple times, and even once one instance of that was striken M.Om got to the same result with 2-3 questions this morning in not the same words. Jury heard it all anyway.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:52 AM (7mQyC)

284 had a neighbor that claimed to be a seal....that was back when there was a website called the "wall of shame" where it kept a list of fake seals...sure enough....his name was on it.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 02, 2013 07:52 AM (8JJ6O)

285 281. Sharp ton doesn't care about evidence He cares about money and cameras

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 07:52 AM (Rc23U)

286 What happens when something goes wrong while driving your car?

Are you a scion of a wealthy Democrat dynasty?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 02, 2013 07:52 AM (/kI1Q)

287 had a neighbor that claimed to be a seal....that was back when there was a website called the "wall of shame" where it kept a list of fake seals...sure enough....his name was on it..... Hehe...nothing like being outed as a fraud.

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 07:53 AM (GQ8sn)

288 Now the cops have charged him, the survivor with murder 2. Heard about that, and that sucks. The article I read said "the fight" (presumably the robbers shooting your relative's buddy) started "inside" and then "moved outside" (presumably when he shot them)? Is that why they're calling it murder 2? Nevermind, you probably can't answer that question. Either way, it sucks. "If you defend yourself, you will be prosecuted" is a sucky way to run a justice system.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:53 AM (/PCJa)

289
Is it really that bad (for the State)?

The defense will need to send a box of chocolates, a dozen roses, and a thank you card to the prosecution at the end of this trial.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 02, 2013 07:54 AM (0IhFx)

290 Idea for a movie: Roseanne Barr is riddled with .50 bullets. That's the idea. Now just right 89 minutes of stuff around that.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 02, 2013 07:54 AM (V1ZIU)

291
"Nevermind, you probably can't answer that question."

I was not there, but have spoken to relative over the phone. Gunfight did indeed start inside and moved outside to the parking lot.

Posted by: navybrat at July 02, 2013 07:55 AM (HJatN)

292 Roseanne Barr is riddled with .50 bullets. "Nothing stops the Blob!"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:55 AM (/PCJa)

293 I'm still trying to figure out how it's legal for me here in the People's Republic to own automatic weapons, but not to put a suppressor on my .45. What kind of BS is that?

In WA it's legal to purchase a suppressor, but illegal to fire a weapon with a suppressor attached.  LolWUT?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 02, 2013 07:55 AM (44jNh)

294 navybrat, was there video footage in the shop? 

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 07:55 AM (CMlD4)

295 284. There's a website run by a retired seal where he confronts these fools with their lies Great man I did time at a SBU and knew many seals Got to watch buds in action Amazes me people pass hell week Also, the family we're closest with in Hawaii, of course mike is a retired seal

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 07:56 AM (dqux0)

296 One drop rule, but with the best of intentions! Welcome to post racial Amerikkka.

Hmmm... All I said was that it interferes with the "White-Hispanic" narrative. Not sure how that makes my statement supportive of the one drop rule.

Please explain that to me.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 02, 2013 07:56 AM (ylhEn)

297 "but everyne else will see the deal. " --- That assumes the media stops trying to twist what's actually going on in the court room, cause most people aren't watching this they are getting BS edited and twisted up 2-3 minute fragments at best along with color commentary surround it that many times is from people who aren't even watching the trial (or so it would seem).

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 07:56 AM (7mQyC)

298 >How's it looking today? dunno- can't read tweetive, sir

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 07:56 AM (8sCoq)

299 So far no video. The only potential witnesses skeedaddled.

Hoping that the dead perps had prior offenses that might support relative's story.

Posted by: navybrat at July 02, 2013 07:57 AM (HJatN)

300 Posted by: navybrat at July 02, 2013 11:55 AM (HJatN) First: I am not now, nor have I ever been a lawyer. That said: have him tell his lawyers to look up a case in Texas. I can't remember the name (but I could probably look it up). Dude in Texas saw some punks breaking into a neighbor's house. When they left, he chased after them (with gun) and shot them (way more details than that, obviously). State charged him with Murder 2- he was found not guilty. Now, that's TX, but the self-defense statutes may be similar enough that it could be helpful in his defense.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 07:58 AM (/PCJa)

301 If I'm honest, I would rather States be shall issue rather than constitutional carry mainly because I've seen too many non CHL holders at the range that frankly handle a gun like a screwdriver.

I've seen the same thing.  Too many people don't have good training on proper handling.  Despite that, I think more people having access to self-defense is a good thing.  Point those people out to the rangemaster and get them the training they need.  If they're too stubborn to learn, the rangemaster will remove them.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 02, 2013 07:59 AM (44jNh)

302 There are many items that when handled improperly can kill/injure at a distance.
Posted by: dogfish

Well that's the whole point,  isn't it?

Posted by: WHAM-O, the makers of Water Wiggle at July 02, 2013 07:59 AM (Hx2XA)

303

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 11:53 AM (/PCJa)

 

It's a sucky way to run a moral system too.

Strangely the progs seem to like it.

Hell most conventional moral systems even provide fairly broad latitude for defending a 3rd person, yet we can't even get 1st person defense these days.

Posted by: tsrblke at July 02, 2013 08:00 AM (GaqMa)

304 That's the idea. Now just right 89 minutes of stuff around that.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 02, 2013 11:54 AM (V1ZIU)



The first time I saw the picture of Ronald Reagan riding a raptor and firing an MP7 I thought it would make a great movie a la Team America.  All the past presidents fighting some enemy.  Andrew Jackson walking around with dual .44 Magnums, Bill Clinton chucking cigar spears, Teddy Roosevelt riddling Roseanne with an M2. 



Plot needs some filling in.

Posted by: Adam at July 02, 2013 08:00 AM (Aif/5)

305
Idea for a movie:


Roseanne Barr is riddled with .50 bullets.


That's the idea. Now just right 89 minutes of stuff around that.

Hmmmm.

.17, .22, .207, .308, .33, .357, .38, .30, .45.

Yeah....we could probably do a sequel.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 02, 2013 08:00 AM (0IhFx)

306
Technically, California is 'No Issue'....and I suspect other 'May Issue' states are in the same boat.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 02, 2013 11:44 AM (0IhFx)








Depends on which CA county you live in. In Fresno Co, Sheriff Mims is loudly and publicly "shall issue".

This "fuck you, Biden" letter is posted on the Fresno County Sheriff's Office web page.

http://tinyurl.com/nywr9mu

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2013 08:01 AM (TIIx5)

307

There are many items that when handled improperly
can kill/injure at a distance.

 

What?

Posted by: Some lawn dart sticking out of a kid's head at July 02, 2013 08:01 AM (0HooB)

308 "How's it looking today? " 298 - Better for the state then yesterday's 100-2 defeat...meaning they are only losing by 6:1 ratio so far today.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 08:01 AM (7mQyC)

309 Geez write not right. Grammar fail.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 02, 2013 08:01 AM (V1ZIU)

310 mace or flail? - discuss

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:02 AM (8sCoq)

311 296 an observation,

No not what I said or is being said at all...

the state is running a funhouse mirror version of the post ACW Jim Crow "one drop rule" in narrative An Ob not you.

They're evil bud...there'll never be a great America unless we truly put race shit aside.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:02 AM (LRFds)

312 halberd or lance? discuss

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:02 AM (8sCoq)

313 281. Sharp ton doesn't care about evidence
He cares about money and cameras

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 11:52 AM (Rc23U)


And pork ribs.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 08:02 AM (XUKZU)

314 Oh, about carry in states that allow it. A post office is a federal installation - drive onto a Post Office parking lot with a gun even in your car and bingo you are open to federal prosecution - and a state carry permit won't protect you.

Before I lost my pistol in the Gulf of Mexico I was always careful not to go on a Post Office parking lot with it.


Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 02, 2013 08:02 AM (ylhEn)

315 navybrat, motorcycle shops have a bad reputation among cops for fights and other activities.  Similar to strip clubs and certain bars, the presumption of innocence get a jaundiced eye there from the system. I suspect they are hoping for a plea as any witness might have issues.  If your relation has a CCL, he might have been the only good guy in the room.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:03 AM (CMlD4)

316 mace or flail? - discuss

Watercooled M2.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 08:03 AM (codCi)

317 Flail, because physics.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 02, 2013 08:03 AM (0HooB)

318 Greta Van Susteren ‏@gretawire 41s OH-OH! Trouble...UnitedHealth to exit individual insurance market in California http://t.co/5EjGIJGF6I

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 02, 2013 08:03 AM (jjvz+)

319 This "fuck you, Biden" letter is posted on the Fresno County Sheriff's Office web page. Would have been better with the actual phrase in it. Or some pointy elbows. mace or flail? - discuss Well, a good mace can stop an assailant (at least long enough to get away) at 30' or so. Wait, I suspect that's the wrong kind of "mace."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:03 AM (/PCJa)

320 301. True story At my last command I was the range master during qual firing for the ASF dorks from the ship Some chick turned with the pistol and held it up for a picture I lost my voice before I was done Also got to see the CMC for telling her to get off my range before I fucking shot her

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 08:03 AM (Yu5xN)

321 For the epic win if for ever CCW issue they issued a license to drink a 64oz Big Gulp in NYC.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 08:04 AM (03nHa)

322 Hehe...nothing like being outed as a fraud. Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 11:53 AM (GQ8sn) Don Shipley's videos are great fun/great time sink.

Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 08:04 AM (fWAjv)

323 Ressolved: skill with weaponry, not terrain, decided the Battle of Agincourt

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:04 AM (8sCoq)

324 Oh, about carry in states that allow it. A post office is a federal installation - drive onto a Post Office parking lot with a gun even in your car and bingo you are open to federal prosecution - and a state carry permit won't protect you. This is true. My CHL instructor has a side business as an FFL and ships weapons all over the country. Kind of catch-22, he HAS to use the US Postal Service to do that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:05 AM (/PCJa)

325 halberd or lance? discuss

Lance only has one testicle.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 02, 2013 08:05 AM (/kI1Q)

326 That SC case is probably a murder charge because he followed the perps outside. Depending on state law, he may not be prosecuted after the DA looks into it. Strangely enough, in NY of all places, you can use deadly force on someone seeking to flee during the commission of certain felonies.

Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 08:06 AM (REcq5)

327 I vote for naginata.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 08:06 AM (03nHa)

328 326 Heather Radish,

My son on the other hand...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:06 AM (LRFds)

329 Ressolved: skill with weaponry, not terrain, decided the Battle of Agincourt

French stupidity and overconfidence decided Agincourt.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 08:06 AM (codCi)

330

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 12:03 PM (/PCJa)

 

Eh, a proficient mace wielder could probably chuck one with a reasonable amount of accuracy and achieve that as well. (Not a DnD reference)

(He'll take a -2 for the improvised weapon.) OK that was.

Posted by: tsrblke at July 02, 2013 08:06 AM (GaqMa)

331 Lance only has one testicle.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 02, 2013 12:05 PM (/kI1Q)

 

His other testicle was obviously lanced.

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 08:06 AM (m2CN7)

332 Ressolved: skill with weaponry, not terrain, decided the Battle of Agincourt Also: The Welsh Longbow (suck it, crossbowers!)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:06 AM (/PCJa)

333 323. That's him Senior Chief Shipley East coast SEAL ***spit***

Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 08:06 AM (Yu5xN)

334 Ressolved: skill with weaponry, not terrain, decided the Battle of Agincourt French stupidity and overconfidence decided Agincourt. English Yeoman archers were like Jedi Masters with their bows.

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 08:07 AM (GQ8sn)

335 Mace, don't want to burn a proficiency slot

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:07 AM (CMlD4)

336 Texas had surprisingly bad gun laws for a long time. It was the mass shooting at Luby's in Killeen that moved the legislature off the stick. A survivor had a clear shot on that nut job, but had left her weapon in the car to follow the law. I'd like to see Texas go to open carry. Can you believe that Texas prohibits the open carry of knives? This is the birthplace of the Bowie knife! Even Florida has better knife laws -- totally unrestricted open knife carry, but prohibits all concealed blades over 4 inches (xcept with CCW. Yet Bowie knives are totally illegal in Texas. It's crazy.

Posted by: Phinn at July 02, 2013 08:07 AM (oFH2D)

337

They're evil bud...there'll never be a great America unless we truly put race shit aside.

 

We had put it aside, but the Leftards decided to revive it for   political reasons. It was also the Weather Underground's excuse for their little revolution.

 

Doncha  just luv   faux   racism?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 02, 2013 08:08 AM (0HooB)

338 Okay, the only thing this thread needs to be complete is more boobehs.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:08 AM (/PCJa)

339 http://youtu.be/HwNELNSvPzI Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 11:50 AM (03nHa) Sounds like the inspiration for "Heaven can wait."

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 02, 2013 08:08 AM (bb5+k)

340 .17, .22, .207, .308, .33, .357, .38, .30, .45.

Yeah....we could probably do a sequel.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket
-----------------

I'm not going to try to look it up, that causes me to wonder if, including wildcats, everything from .17 to .50 has been made by someone. Probably. Of course, calling it, say .223, doesn't mean that it IS .223.

I have an acquaintance that is galled because one can buy .218 Bee is still being manufactured, but not .222 Mag.

Posted by: Barney Fwank at July 02, 2013 08:08 AM (aDwsi)

341 That SC case is probably a murder charge because he followed the perps outside. Depending on state law, he may not be prosecuted after the DA looks into it. Strangely enough, in NY of all places, you can use deadly force on someone seeking to flee during the commission of certain felonies.

Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 12:06 PM (REcq5)

 

I'm still upset with the pharmacist that was convicted of murder one when he returned and pumped a few more into the armed robber laying behind his counter from being shot earlier.   Oklahoma how could you. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 08:09 AM (m2CN7)

342 This is true. My CHL instructor has a side business as an FFL and ships weapons all over the country. Kind of catch-22, he HAS to use the US Postal Service to do that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 12:05 PM (/PCJa)


He has a FEDERAL Firearms License so he can carry on post office property.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 02, 2013 08:09 AM (ylhEn)

343 Large knives and swords are prohibited in Alabama, but I can carry a roofing hatchet all day long.  It might as well be a tomahawk.  Go figure.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 08:09 AM (codCi)

344 "In WA it's legal to purchase a suppressor, but illegal to fire a weapon with a suppressor attached. LolWUT?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 02, 2013 11:55 AM (44jNh"



The stoopid...it burns...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 02, 2013 08:09 AM (knoK7)

345

An Observation at July 02, 2013 12:02 PM (ylhEn)

 

-------------

 

To be fair though, carry in a post office is still subject to debate and the law the USPS is apparently using as statutory authority for its regulation hasn't been tested in court.

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 02, 2013 08:09 AM (PFy0L)

346 He has a FEDERAL Firearms License so he can carry on post office property. Not according to him. Actually, according to him, "The law on that is so confusing, I just avoid it. I park about a block away, leave my concealed weapon in the car, and walk. I know I'm safe regarding the gun in the already taped and labeled box."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:10 AM (/PCJa)

347
Pollock uses longbows because they can't master the crossbow foot stirrup like Cod can.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2013 08:11 AM (TIIx5)

348 Gov Quinn (IL) just broke into Rush, talking about common sense changes and protecting the people... this is going to suck.

Posted by: kurtilator at July 02, 2013 08:11 AM (juh4Z)

349 Okay, the only thing this thread needs to be complete is more boobehs. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34o8nyo&s=6 Thread complete.

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 08:12 AM (GQ8sn)

350 >I'm still upset with the pharmacist that was convicted of murder one when he returned and pumped a few more into the armed robber laying behind his counter from being shot earlier. Oklahoma how could you. I'm no lawyer, but shooting a guy who's pointing a gun at you is self-defense. Shooting him again when he's on the floor wounded, or running away, is a whole different ballgame.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:12 AM (8sCoq)

351 334 323. That's him Senior Chief Shipley East coast SEAL ***spit*** Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 12:06 PM (Yu5xN) Huh???

Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 08:12 AM (fWAjv)

352 Jorge's account has been consistent since the first minute with the police.  He's either telling the truth, as he sees it, or he is indeed a very smart and decisive sociopath.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 08:12 AM (codCi)

353 "...he may not be prosecuted after the DA looks into it."

Arraignment was yesterday.

Posted by: navybrat at July 02, 2013 08:12 AM (HJatN)

354 "In WA it's legal to purchase a suppressor, but illegal to fire a weapon with a suppressor attached. LolWUT? There are lots of gems like that out there. In Texas, there was a fad of selling purple tail-light covers (for cars). People (mostly kids) were getting ticketed for driving with tail-lights in a color other than red, and they'd complain about "well why do 'they' sell them?" The answer? "They're perfectly legal to *have.* They're just not legal to have *on your car.*"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:13 AM (/PCJa)

355 Never mind Navycopjoe. I just read upthread.

Posted by: RWC at July 02, 2013 08:13 AM (fWAjv)

356 Okay, the only thing this thread needs to be complete is more boobehs.

http://is.gd/yBaSWp

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 02, 2013 08:13 AM (/kI1Q)

357 Shouldn't SCOTUS rule that all of the several States have to change to Shall Issue because more than 80% of them have it or better?  IIRC they used the "majority" issue to strike down several laws in some states, I believe regarding Capital Punishment.

For consistencies sake, ya' know.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at July 02, 2013 08:14 AM (kqqGm)

358 353 334 323. That's him Senior Chief Shipley East coast SEAL ***spit*** Posted by: Navycopjoe at July 02, 2013 12:06 PM (Yu5xN) Huh??? -------- Silly rivalry between SEALs stationed in California and ones in Virginia.

Posted by: Adam at July 02, 2013 08:14 AM (Aif/5)

359 Ressolved: skill with weaponry, not terrain, decided the Battle of Agincourt

French stupidity and overconfidence decided Agincourt.


English Yeoman archers were like Jedi Masters with their bows. Posted by: EC
------

That isn't the way that I recall it..., but that doesn't mean much. My understanding was that the field was mucky/muddy, too muddy for horse action, the Froggies got fairly mired in, were heavily armored and could not fight well dismounted, the English waded in with axes and such... chop, chop. But that is just the way I remember it

Posted by: Barney Fwank at July 02, 2013 08:14 AM (aDwsi)

360
Sea birds. Why did it have to be sea birds?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2013 08:14 AM (TIIx5)

361 navycopjoe, when I was in Charleston.  I was over at the small range at the Charleston AFB base - some Navy guys and some of the special Marine guards were there that day.  One of the Marines had an incident -- the senior AF and Nacy NCO tore into him like a pack of dogs.  Our tac, a Army O3 just let it roll.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:15 AM (CMlD4)

362 Navybrat,

http://tinyurl.com/myqujnn (North Carolina considers self-defense interdicting commision of robbery a valid self-defense)

http://tinyurl.com/kpxpdfe

The above case shows precedent in North Charleston.

I implore you to advise him if able to lawyer up.

I hope he comes through okay it has to have been a bas experience and why I thank God I've never had to pull and use it.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:15 AM (LRFds)

363 boobehs + medieval weaponry SO NSFW http://is.gd/eyIS1p

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:15 AM (8sCoq)

364 It does doesn't it Diogenes.  Except the original Heaven Can Wait with Don Ameche and Gene Tierney came out in 1943, three years prior to this movie's release.  I just like this movie's battle of the Heavenly lawyers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 02, 2013 08:15 AM (03nHa)

365 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 02, 2013 12:13 PM (/kI1Q) I said "boobehs" *not* "boobies."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:16 AM (/PCJa)

366 355 navybrat,

I linked a case in North Charleston of exoneration in defense of robbery victim...

I hope he's okay.

Lawyer up.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:16 AM (LRFds)

367 What are the odds?
I have been playing around with words on paper, imagining a story I'd like to read, and in my imagination is a scene at a gun range where a neophyte fails to keep the weapon pointed down range, and here y'all are telling me it actually happens?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 02, 2013 08:17 AM (jSS1h)

368 I said "boobehs" *not* "boobies."

Kittehs....doggehs....boobehs.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 02, 2013 08:17 AM (/kI1Q)

369 Gov Quinn (IL) just broke into Rush, talking about common sense changes and protecting the people... this is going to suck.
Posted by: kurtilator
--------------------

Any time a Dem uses the phrase "...common sense..", you know that spin/propaganda is to follow.

Posted by: Barney Fwank at July 02, 2013 08:17 AM (aDwsi)

370 Jones, good from on the pull

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:17 AM (CMlD4)

371 http://tinyurl.com/m4v2sn2

incident in Charleston

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:18 AM (LRFds)

372 boobehs + medieval weaponry


SO NSFW

http://is.gd/eyIS1p

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 12:15 PM (8sCoq)


**


Looks like fine art to me.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 02, 2013 08:18 AM (jvd3N)

373 wtf FDNY ‏@FDNY 29m BKLYN ALL HANDS 23 STREET, A LARGE AMOUNT OF A THICK UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE ARISING FROM THE STREET.,

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:18 AM (8sCoq)

374 I'm no lawyer, but shooting a guy who's pointing a gun at you is self-defense.

Shooting him again when he's on the floor wounded, or running away, is a whole different ballgame.

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 12:12 PM (8sCoq)

 

Running away? really.  Texas disagrees with you.   Anyway in the heat of a gun fight, when you think the person who was just trying to rob you is still moving or your adrenaline pumped brain thinks he is still moving,  I believe its reasonable and understandable  that  someone might shoot them again.   This ain't the movies.  

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 08:18 AM (m2CN7)

375 Even when Texas was no issue the law allowed you to carry a pistol in your car during a trip in which you crossed two county lines.

When the car carry law came into being a couple of years ago the DA in Houston announced he was still going to prosecute anyone caught with a gun in their car. The State Atty Gen called him up and told him "you can do that but I'm going to prosecute you for malicious prosecution if you do - and you will go to prison for it." The local DA changed his mind on the subject.



Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 02, 2013 08:18 AM (ylhEn)

376 >Looks like fine art to me. Posted by: dananjcon at July 02, 2013 12:18 PM (jvd3N) don't wanna get anybody in trouble

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:19 AM (8sCoq)

377 I appreciate the legal advice. We in the family are doing are best to secure a just outcome for this unfortunate situation.

Posted by: navybrat at July 02, 2013 08:19 AM (HJatN)

378 I do not understand the point of this State's witness

Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 22s  O'Mara: Would you defer to evidence over memory? Osterman: Yes, "I may have heard wrong or I may have documented it wrong."

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 08:19 AM (codCi)

379 Navybrat- Check out the Joe Horn case here in TX. I'm pretty sure that's the one I was thinking about.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:20 AM (/PCJa)

380 Shooting him again when he's on the floor wounded, or running away, is a whole different ballgame. Posted by: Jones in CO

Right, it should be a tax credit.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:20 AM (CMlD4)

381 This case? http://tinyurl.com/luvw88e

Seems the DA is convinced it was a gang fight...

I hope things work out.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:20 AM (LRFds)

382 @375

Looks like its time to call in Lady Liberty...

Posted by: H Badger at July 02, 2013 08:20 AM (n/0Nw)

383 So, is the state throwing the trial? Not acting like an advocate tub calling every witness and letting the jury decide? Of course, when the trademarks testify, there will be alot of sympathy for them and the bullshit that it was martin who was screaming.

Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 08:20 AM (hc19V)

384

polynikes at July 02, 2013 12:18 PM (m2CN7)

 

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Agreed...everything in my training says you keep shooting until the threat is gone.  If a guy is laying wounded on the floor but obviously reaching in his waistband, hell, for all you know he could have a BUG there. 

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 02, 2013 08:21 AM (PFy0L)

385 Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 12:18 PM (8sCoq) Ghostbusters II was real?!?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:21 AM (/PCJa)

386 Still waiting for the State to call Jorge's parents.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 02, 2013 08:21 AM (codCi)

387 359 Shouldn't SCOTUS rule that all of the several States have to change to Shall Issue because more than 80% of them have it or better? IIRC they used the "majority" issue to strike down several laws in some states, I believe regarding Capital Punishment. For consistencies sake, ya' know. Why shouldn't a CCW permit from any state be given the same Full Faith & Credit treatment as a gay marriage?

Posted by: Phinn at July 02, 2013 08:22 AM (oFH2D)

388
boobehs + medieval weaponry










Someone dig up the Ewok post on that bowfucker chick.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2013 08:22 AM (TIIx5)

389 Dude... Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 11:51 AM (GQ8sn) Where's my car.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 08:22 AM (X4HxX)

390 Joe Horn 911 call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0yc

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:22 AM (/PCJa)

391 >Ghostbusters II was real?!? looks like it

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:23 AM (8sCoq)

392
>Ghostbusters II was real?!?


looks like it

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 12:23 PM (8sCoq)






To be fair, hairless cats ARE weird.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 02, 2013 08:24 AM (TIIx5)

393 Ha ha.  You think guns are dangerous?

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 02, 2013 08:24 AM (wAQA5)

394 Why shouldn't a CCW permit from any state be given the same Full Faith & Credit treatment as a gay marriage? It should be. I'm not sure what perversion of logic people use to say otherwise.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:24 AM (/PCJa)

395 Lunch break... Gotta love that greta's in the courtroom and can't even get the tweet right. "Pros back answering questions: confirmed Z said Trayvon grabbed at gun in holster, that he actually got it..." --- Nobody not the witness or even Pros said he actually got the gun.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 08:24 AM (7mQyC)

396 His dad already said it wasn't him screaming then changed his mind. Can't call him. They can only call the mother. And then defense can rebut with the fathers initial statement.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 02, 2013 08:24 AM (bfxFJ)

397 Dude... Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 11:51 AM (GQ8sn) Where's my car "purchase". Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 12:22 PM (X4HxX) Fixed.

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 08:25 AM (GQ8sn)

398 379 Navybrat,

Well I'm not a lawyer, and I am not intimate with SC's laws freom a "worked under them" standpoint as Ohio's...

I can cite precedent cases with precision on Ohio...

given the identities of the players in the drama I fear the Sharpton express is firing up the bus.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:25 AM (LRFds)

399 Why shouldn't a CCW permit from any state be given the same Full Faith & Credit treatment as a gay marriage?

Posted by: Phinn at July 02, 2013 12:22 PM (oFH2D)

 

The reasoning is ridiculous since its actually not just a law but part of the Bill of Rights.  The only amendment that the FF&C clause is not applied.

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 08:25 AM (m2CN7)

400 Doesn't GZ still have his "stand your ground" option to exercise?  The way I understand it, he gets to hear the prosecution present their case, recuse the jury, request a stand your ground hearing, if that doesn't fly then he can ask for a directed verdict, and failing that - put on a defense.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:25 AM (CMlD4)

401 385 - I'm sure they'll be the last to testify before the state rests.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 08:25 AM (7mQyC)

402 It was never a stand your ground case. It's plain vanilla self defense.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 02, 2013 08:26 AM (bfxFJ)

403

  ABC "News" on the radio ( in between Rush self love segments   ) seems to start every update on the Z trial with.... "GZ the man accused of shooting unarmed TM" ( ...cause, you know GZ just up and shot the youngster without any reason but prejudice) ...... pretty sure that's geared towards starting some civil unrest if the verdict doesn't go the preferred way for the left.

 

  Well done ABC.

 

 /

Posted by: I see everything twice!! at July 02, 2013 08:26 AM (/PJ/D)

404 Fixed. Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 12:25 PM (GQ8sn) I'm confused now. The interwebs don't transmit nuance well.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 08:27 AM (X4HxX)

405 Can you believe that Texas prohibits the open carry of knives? This is the birthplace of the Bowie knife!

Here in MN I can carry a gun in my pocket as I have a carry permit.

However, I would be committing a misdemeanor if I had brass knuckles or a switchblade in the other pocket.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 02, 2013 08:27 AM (SY2Kh)

406 >>>Shooting him again when he's on the floor wounded, or running away, is a whole different ballgame.

Really?  I believe we should all be allowed to follow the LAPD on this one, and empty the magazine.

Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2013 08:27 AM (UzPAd)

407 402 - He doesn't need it; but if they were going that route I think that had to be done very early on - ie last summer if they were going to invoke that. (IANAL - just what recall from last summer)

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 08:27 AM (7mQyC)

408 Thunderb - from the states perspective -- but George still has that card to play.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:28 AM (CMlD4)

409 wow that one really pissed some people off cuz you're all expert gunfighters, I presume

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 08:28 AM (8sCoq)

410 Doesn't GZ still have his "stand your ground" option to exercise? No. He never did. SYG never entered into it. The Media had two angles they tried to play on this. The first was RAAAAACIST! Tea Bagger Whitey kills poor, innocent, black child. That didn't work out so well. So then they tried to turn it into a referendum on "Stand Your Ground" which scares the crap out of them because it means you don't have to wait to be a victim in public anymore than you have to wait to be a victim in your own home. The Democrat world view requires that you be a victim.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:28 AM (/PCJa)

411 Really? I believe we should all be allowed to follow the LAPD on this one, and empty the magazine. Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2013 12:27 PM (UzPAd) Into a car with unknown amounts of people inside and no PC.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 08:29 AM (X4HxX)

412 I'm confused now. The interwebs don't transmit nuance well. Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 12:27 PM (X4HxX) Just pointing out your empty hand because teh man is making you wait.

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 08:29 AM (GQ8sn)

413 Can you believe that Texas prohibits the open carry of knives? This is
the birthplace of the Bowie knife!
--------------------

Hold it. You can't carry a sheathed knife? Even hunters? What about folding knives in 'holsters'?

Posted by: Barney Fwank at July 02, 2013 08:29 AM (aDwsi)

414 Why shouldn't a CCW permit from any state be given the same Full Faith Credit treatment as a gay marriage?

Posted by: Phinn at July 02, 2013 12:22 PM (oFH2D)

I am so stealing that and calling it my own.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2013 08:29 AM (WW8xK)

415 Same with an ASP.  An expandable baton is harder to get a permit for then a gun.  Which doesn't make sense at all. 

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:29 AM (CMlD4)

416   Do our hideous members have to show some skin to get a new thread up in here or what?!?

Posted by: FEMEN at July 02, 2013 08:30 AM (/PJ/D)

417 Just pointing out your empty hand because teh man is making you wait. Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 12:29 PM (GQ8sn) Yeah Maryland can go pluck itself. But first it can blow me.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 08:30 AM (X4HxX)

418 Actually, according to him, "The law on that is so confusing, I just avoid it. I park about a block away, leave my concealed weapon in the car, and walk. I know I'm safe regarding the gun in the already taped and labeled box."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 12:10 PM (/PCJa)


Yes the law is confusing and I think he is wise to play it safe. The law talks about being on official business - the official business of the Post Office is mailing letters - does that mean...

Never the less somebody with an FFL there to ship a weapon is on pretty strong ground - but Eric Holder is the Atty Sgt Schultz of the USSA - so who knows what the law says.



Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 02, 2013 08:30 AM (ylhEn)

419 Do our hideous members have to show some skin to get a new thread up in here or what?!? I can threaten to sing, I suppose.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:30 AM (/PCJa)

420 Estimated 85 more days until I get the "not denied" certificate!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 08:31 AM (X4HxX)

421 OT :
"United Health to exit individual insurance market in California"


**

Republicans will be late to this one as well. Rush is right again. Kill the Immigration bill in the House and make this the issue for the next three years. Stop letting the democrats dictate the issues. The ACA is only getting worse. pubes need to make hay.  I'm done with these fuggin wimps.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 02, 2013 08:31 AM (jvd3N)

422 Wow...enough line breaks there?

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 08:32 AM (GQ8sn)

423 Posted by: dananjcon at July 02, 2013 12:31 PM (jvd3N) OT: BARREL

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at July 02, 2013 08:32 AM (X4HxX)

424 Barrel

Posted by: Thunderb at July 02, 2013 08:32 AM (bfxFJ)

425 Can you believe that Texas prohibits the open carry of knives? This is the birthplace of the Bowie knife! Even Florida has better knife laws -- totally unrestricted open knife carry, but prohibits all concealed blades over 4 inches (xcept with CCW. Yet Bowie knives are totally illegal in Texas. It's crazy.

You can't carry a fixed blade in WA.  I think there's an exemption for people who are hunting.  Pretty much anything longer than 3.5 inches in a folder is verboten.  No spring blades or butterfly knives.  Knife rules vary by county, and by the cop you run into.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 02, 2013 08:32 AM (gtjN1)

426

Posted by: Jones in CO at July 02, 2013 12:28 PM (8sCoq)

 

I don't note anyone being pissed off or directing insults at you. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 02, 2013 08:32 AM (m2CN7)

427 http://tinyurl.com/k9dcska Yutes Gone Wild. - Greenboro edition.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 08:32 AM (7mQyC)

428 Oh dear...Barrel.

Noooooooooo...

Posted by: dananjcon at July 02, 2013 08:33 AM (jvd3N)

429 Estimated 85 more days until I get the "not denied" certificate! Yeah, I had a problem with my CHL application (I think they lost the form that's missing, but it doesn't matter, because the form is missing), so I had to send in another copy. Now I get to wait 30 more days before I even get to follow up to see if they've gotten the form and associated it with the correct application (this is the DPS after all). Well, at this point its more like 20 more days, but still... I'm just hoping it gets squared away in time for my vacation.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:33 AM (/PCJa)

430 Do our hideous members have to show some skin to get a new thread up in here or what?!? Posted by: FEMEN
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I'm already down to nothing....

Posted by: Barney Fwank at July 02, 2013 08:33 AM (aDwsi)

431 I studied the greats.
Posted by: Hawkeye

Worst line in an Avenger's movie:  "I see better from a distance." --Hawkeye

Um, NO YOU DON'T!  Even if your vision is fantastic, you see better at close range.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 02, 2013 08:33 AM (gtjN1)

432 What t shirts will Fox wear when Z is acquitted?

Posted by: Thunderb at July 02, 2013 08:33 AM (bfxFJ)

433 Posted by: dananjcon at July 02, 2013 12:33 PM (jvd3N) While you're in there, do you mind taking some samples? I think some of the muck may be becoming sentient.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 02, 2013 08:34 AM (/PCJa)

434 Perhaps an "I'm with stupid" with the arrow pointing to his head.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 02, 2013 08:35 AM (bfxFJ)

435 We need more laws.
No doubt about it.

Just think for a moment, what has done more damage, pocket knives or accountants?

Need to regulate those accountants, and the economists too. . because Krugman!

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 02, 2013 08:35 AM (jSS1h)

436 If you have one hand you are allowed to carry a switch blade knife. How are you supposed to open a normal pocket knife if you only have one hand?

I did martial arts with a guy who had one hand - he carried a concealed switch blade legally.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 02, 2013 08:36 AM (ylhEn)

437 222 You seen the security footage of the cop shooting the guy that snatched the kid in the head at point blank range? No, but that sounds *awesome*. Posted by: Ian S. at July 02, 2013 11:32 AM (B/VB5) Eh. They cut away right after he puts the muzzle to his head. I was curious to see which way he fell, i.e., did he fall on the toddler and if she fell.

Posted by: waldo at July 02, 2013 08:36 AM (hc19V)

438 418 Do our hideous members have to show some skin to get a new thread up in here or what?!?

Posted by: FEMEN at July 02, 2013 12:30 PM (/PJ/D)



Ummm... yes?

Posted by: real joe at July 02, 2013 08:36 AM (REcq5)

439 Dingleberry, unchained

Posted by: Thunderb at July 02, 2013 08:36 AM (bfxFJ)

440 Funnily enough, when my wife's employer, a State U., passed around a flier with little gifts to select based on being there 5, 10, 15, etc. years she noticed a knife as one of the options. She described it to me as "like a switchblade!". She selected it and it showed up a few weeks ago. A decent Buck knife with a school crest on it. I had to explain what a "switchblade" was.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 02, 2013 08:36 AM (ZshNr)

441 Nood.

Posted by: EC at July 02, 2013 08:36 AM (GQ8sn)

442 Um, NO YOU DON'T! Even if your vision is fantastic, you see better at close range.
Posted by: bonhomme
-----------------

On the other hand, I do look better from a distance.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 02, 2013 08:37 AM (aDwsi)

443 442 LincolnTF,

I'm a stiletto or Dagger guy myself.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:37 AM (LRFds)

444 OT:  That was a very expensive 1% (and Hillay! still kicks his ass at at least three to one).

POLL: Rubio Inches Up 1% Among Hispanics...

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2013 08:39 AM (XUKZU)

445 "434 What t shirts will Fox wear when Z is acquitted?" --- "I am Trayvon" or "Trayvon was robbed" or some stupid sh1t like that, or maybe knowing that asshole a "Bounty: George Zimmerman - $10,000 t-shirt".

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2013 08:39 AM (7mQyC)

446 Posted by: dananjcon at July 02, 2013 12:33 PM (jvd3N)

While you're in there, do you mind taking some samples? I think some of the muck may be becoming sentient.

*



Yeah its dag nasty in here. Like a weekend at Barnie Frank's w/o a mop and bucket. Hobo carcass's all over the place too.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 02, 2013 08:40 AM (jvd3N)

447 What t shirts will Fox wear when Z is acquitted?" --- "I am Trayvon" or "Trayvon was robbed" or some stupid sh1t like that, or maybe knowing that asshole a "Bounty: George Zimmerman - $10,000 t-shirt". *** Foxx is a straight-up racist.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 02, 2013 08:41 AM (jjvz+)

448 BTW, I think it's past time for us to point out that racism goes both ways.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 02, 2013 08:41 AM (jjvz+)

449 new thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 02, 2013 08:41 AM (jjvz+)

450 If you have one hand you are allowed to carry a switch blade knife. How are you supposed to open a normal pocket knife if you only have one hand?

There is a traditional format folding knife, Case IIRC, that follows a design made for guys with one hand/arm that was developed after the civil war by Col.W Powell (Grand Canyon guy).  It has a forward notch so you can open it against you jeans pocket.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 08:47 AM (CMlD4)

451 452 Jean, which makes it of particular use for boy scouting actually as it leaves a hand free for tacking.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at July 02, 2013 08:49 AM (LRFds)

452 sven, it was very difficult to find good boy's knives -- I wanted a locking SAK (Wenger Junior series) or a locking sheepsfoot.  West Marine had good locking sheepsfoots but the Wenger Juniors were a bitch to find without paying for shipping from Europe.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2013 09:00 AM (CMlD4)

453 ** Did one of the squares feature him riding the velociraptor with a shotgun? ** Is Reagan holding the shotgun, or is the velociraptor holding the shotgun? (Either would be just as awesome.) I assume that "shall issue" = "provided the paperwork is done and you haven't done anything truly nasty in the past" whereas "may issue" = "hmm, if we feel like it and you grease our palms". What recourse does Buttfuck Obambi have if he somehow manages to sabotage 2A but the States have it written into their own Constitutions? I prefer the whole "shall issue" thing to give a hothead time to cool off, but the clause in some places about getting auto-approval if it takes more than X days is a good one. A month is more than long enough for the worst simmering rage in a reasonable (wo)man to cool down, or for a psychopath to get a black-market gun if (s)he really wants one. I agree with an enshrined right of self-defence (extended as applicable to "my home is my castle") even if I'd prefer at least the heavier armaments (semi- and full-auto centrefire longarms) to be subject to some sort of licensing overview.

Posted by: perturbed at July 02, 2013 09:47 AM (u6Ueb)

454 any chance of getting this graphic with gun-crime information somehow coded in?  murder, suicide, deaths, whatev?

Posted by: anon at July 02, 2013 10:15 AM (WXY9S)

455 MS has been an open carry state since 1890. This new law just redefined some terms.

Posted by: mhf at July 02, 2013 10:22 AM (DbeTN)

456 Daily reminder: Move to a Southern state.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at July 02, 2013 10:45 AM (6sqK6)

457 Vermont has Constitutional Carry yet elects Socialists. Schizophrenic, much?

Posted by: GatorGirl at July 02, 2013 10:48 AM (v0rMe)

458 We just recently moved to Arkansas, so this is definitely good news to me.  Hopefully more states will allow this, and soon.

Posted by: Mr_Write at July 02, 2013 02:21 PM (Fn7Hb)

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