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January 08, 2013

As Senator, Hagel Opposed Abortion In Cases of Rape
— Ace

If someone isn't qualified to be Senator due to holding such a view...

He actually campaigned, initially, supporting the three typical exceptions (rape, incest, life of the mother), but then became -- as liberals and the media would say -- an "extremist."

Then Senate-candidate Hagel said that he "tightened" his position on abortion after he said he discovered that abortion in the case of rape and incest are "rare" according to multiple local press reports.
"As I looked at those numbers, if I want to prevent abortions, I don't think those two exceptions are relevant," Hagel said, according to the Omaha paper.

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1 He probably supports abortion on demand now

Posted by: Alex at January 08, 2013 09:55 AM (uFY4s)

2 Foist

Posted by: Alex at January 08, 2013 09:55 AM (uFY4s)

3 Okay, somehow this will not be a problem for Hagel or Obama. Politics are like Doug Henning. You just have to believe.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 09:56 AM (Lxw+T)

4 Incest is and was almost nonexistent and shouldn't be a moral reason to abort at all without rape being involved, in which case it is still somewhat iffy

Posted by: Alex at January 08, 2013 09:56 AM (uFY4s)

5 May Chuck Hagel have Hemerroids and prostate problems

Posted by: Alex of Nebraska at January 08, 2013 09:57 AM (uFY4s)

6 But... but... but, he's a nicccceeee guy!

Posted by: Lilly von Schtupp at January 08, 2013 09:57 AM (Jls4P)

7 Well, that was a long time ago and his views on the issue really aren't germane to the matter at hand because SHUT UP!!

Posted by: Your Betters in the Media at January 08, 2013 09:57 AM (RSqz2)

8 The woman's body has ways to shut that whole thing down anyway. Or so I've heard.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 08, 2013 09:58 AM (nZvGM)

9 Richard Mourdock called and wants to switch parties.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 09:58 AM (Lxw+T)

10 6. No he isn't

Posted by: Alex of Nebraska at January 08, 2013 09:58 AM (uFY4s)

11 9. huh, since when was he Liberal

Posted by: Alex of Nebraska at January 08, 2013 09:58 AM (uFY4s)

12 Why did Obama Pick Hagel anyway, what credentials does Hagel have that the Socialist Party Members don't?

Posted by: Alex of Nebraska at January 08, 2013 10:00 AM (uFY4s)

13 Hagel rhymes with "bagel." I say he gets a pass.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2013 10:00 AM (XkWWK)

14 Rape can't result in pregnancy because of the Bad Sperm Strategic Assassination Squad that lurks deep in the ladyparts.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 08, 2013 10:00 AM (QKKT0)

15 I think Rosie O'Donnell and Hagel are in agreement about the main reason to oppose abortion, Rosie as a victim and Chucker-the-f**ker as a perp. (So far as is known, O'Donnell does not own a Portuguese Water Dog (like Hagel and L'il Barry).)

Posted by: Thorvald at January 08, 2013 10:01 AM (1V6Pv)

16 President Gun Control also nominated a guy with a lifetime 'A' rating from the NRA. I doubt he's even aware of that.

Posted by: JWF at January 08, 2013 10:01 AM (1l37M)

17 hagel is wrong on so many levels that it is almost a sure thing he fill fly thru confirmation and be at Defense before the Super Bowl

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:01 AM (9Bj8R)

18 13 Hagel rhymes with "bagel." I say he gets a pass.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2013 02:00 PM (XkWWK)

How about we just eat him instead

Posted by: Alex the Cannibal at January 08, 2013 10:01 AM (uFY4s)

19 Could Obama have picked someone who pissed off any more groups. I mean i'm beginning to think literally no one likes this guy

Posted by: BSR at January 08, 2013 10:02 AM (CBCxo)

20 Incest is and was almost nonexistent and shouldn't be a moral reason to abort at all without rape being involved, in which case it is still somewhat iffy.

Huh? I've counted 12 so far, one for each finger.

Posted by: Audience member of a WWE match at January 08, 2013 10:02 AM (SY2Kh)

21 Todd Akin last seen calling Richard Mourdock during a crying jag.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 10:02 AM (Lxw+T)

22 19 Could Obama have picked someone who pissed off any more groups. I mean i'm beginning to think literally no one likes this guy

Posted by: BSR at January 08, 2013 02:02 PM (CBCxo)

In Nebraska only the Newspapers like him, no one who is real likes him

Posted by: Alex the Cannibal at January 08, 2013 10:02 AM (uFY4s)

23 I mean i'm beginning to think literally no one likes this guy Posted by: BSR at January 08, 2013 02:02 PM (CBCxo) Iran, Hamas, and hezbellah love him and that is the G-D's honest truth!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:03 AM (9Bj8R)

24 Why did Obama Pick Hagel anyway, what credentials does Hagel have that the Socialist Party Members don't?

Posted by: Alex of Nebraska at January 08, 2013 02:00 PM (uFY4s)

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Ever notice that most of Obama s military and intelligence folks (other than Pannetta) come from the other side of the aisle??

Posted by: fixerupper at January 08, 2013 10:03 AM (nELVU)

25 19 Could Obama have picked someone who pissed off any more groups. I mean i'm beginning to think literally no one likes this guy ---- We like him just fine, whats the big deal??

Posted by: The Iranians at January 08, 2013 10:03 AM (41VCE)

26 Helen Thomas likes him, so he must be ok, right?

Posted by: Vizzini [/i] at January 08, 2013 10:03 AM (O7Q1u)

27 I only want reasonable restrictions on abortion: Like photo ID, a background check, psychological testing and a 5-day waiting period.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2013 10:03 AM (xSegX)

28 Jimmah Carter likes him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:03 AM (9Bj8R)

29 Don't even ask Hagel about his views on gay marriage. Because his standard answer is "I'm the Senator from Nebraska, not Castro Street."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 10:04 AM (Lxw+T)

30 24 Why did Obama Pick Hagel anyway, what credentials does Hagel have that the Socialist Party Members don't?

Posted by: Alex of Nebraska at January 08, 2013 02:00 PM (uFY4s)

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Ever notice that most of Obama s military and intelligence folks (other than Pannetta) come from the other side of the aisle??

Posted by: fixerupper at January 08, 2013 02:03 PM (nELVU)

Patraeus came from the other side of the sexual spectrum, but isn't neccesarily republican

Posted by: Alex the Cannibal at January 08, 2013 10:04 AM (uFY4s)

31 Why, it's almost as if Obama has a habit of appointing poorly qualified and inexperienced nominees or something.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2013 10:04 AM (SY2Kh)

32 28 Jimmah Carter likes him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 02:03 PM (9Bj8R)

Jimmah and Hagel have a lot in common with Hamas

Posted by: Alex the Cannibal at January 08, 2013 10:05 AM (uFY4s)

33 31 Why, it's almost as if Obama has a habit of appointing poorly qualified and inexperienced nominees or something.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2013 02:04 PM (SY2Kh)

just like every other democrat who has ever been president in the last 80 years

Posted by: Alex the Cannibal at January 08, 2013 10:05 AM (uFY4s)

34 Why, it's almost as if Obama has a habit of appointing poorly qualified and inexperienced nominees or something. Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2013 02:04 PM (SY2Kh) Who the hell do you think was hanging out at those Weather Underground meetings 30 years ago?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:05 AM (9Bj8R)

35 Iran, Hamas, and hezbellah love him and that is ~~the G-D's~~ allah's honest truth! FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2013 10:05 AM (GFM2b)

36 @31 au contraire, mein Herr, Kevin Jennings was perfectly qualified as Safe (for pederasty) Schools Czar.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 08, 2013 10:06 AM (1V6Pv)

37 34 Why, it's almost as if Obama has a habit of appointing poorly qualified and inexperienced nominees or something.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2013 02:04 PM (SY2Kh)

Who the hell do you think was hanging out at those Weather Underground meetings 30 years ago?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 02:05 PM (9Bj8R)

---- Ronald Reagan---

Posted by: uninformed idiot at January 08, 2013 10:06 AM (uFY4s)

38 There is a buzz on thehill.com and politico that for Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Obama will tap Mrs. O'Leary's cow.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 10:06 AM (Lxw+T)

39 Iran, Hamas, and hezbellah love him and that is the G-D's allah's honest truth! FIFY. Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2013 02:05 PM (GFM2b) yeah your version is better

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:06 AM (9Bj8R)

40 >>If someone isn't qualified to be Senator due to holding such a view... Usual caveats about my no exceptions pro-life stance apply, but... how does it matter what opinions the Defense Secretary holds on abortion? He wouldn't be voting on funding it. Not a fan of Hagel, but i don't like the way the bathwater is being thrown at him. I also don't like the meme that a GOPer is anti-Jew and anti-women. Why contribute to that when we can focus on defense issues, esp Iran?

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 10:06 AM (5H6zj)

41 38 There is a buzz on thehill.com and politico that for Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Obama will tap Mrs. O'Leary's cow.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 02:06 PM (Lxw+T)

That would be an improvement over his normal choice

Posted by: uninformed idiot at January 08, 2013 10:06 AM (uFY4s)

42 My guess is "anti-Israel" trumps every other consideration for Barry and he thought an anti-Israel Republican would be easier to get through. I mean why else pick a fight with gheys AND feminists

Posted by: BSR at January 08, 2013 10:07 AM (CBCxo)

Did that also include Jews, or did he limit that to normal people?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 08, 2013 10:07 AM (SO2Q8)

44 A new poll shows that Congress is less popular than carnies, root canals and colonoscopies, but more popular than the ebola virus, meth labs and gonorrhea.

http://is.gd/zQJmx1

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 08, 2013 10:07 AM (8sCoq)

45 That poll is flawed.

Posted by: Ebola Virus [/i] at January 08, 2013 10:08 AM (O7Q1u)

46 I also don't like the meme that a GOPer is anti-Jew and anti-women. Why contribute to that when we can focus on defense issues, esp Iran? Because being anti-jew will get us into a hot war with Iran?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2013 10:09 AM (GFM2b)

47 I do love those polls, those facts that Everyone Knows, stating that Congress has approval ratings lower than a subway tunnel. Yet incumbents still overwhelmingly win reelection compared to challengers. The electorate isn't merely fickle and two-faced, it's insane.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 10:09 AM (Lxw+T)

48 Even though irrelevant for the SecDef, more fodder for the left. He's going to get it from all sides. Hope the joooo hating weasel fails. Any failure for the JEF is good.

Posted by: eureka! at January 08, 2013 10:09 AM (HPRku)

49 44 A new poll shows that Congress is less popular than carnies, root canals and colonoscopies, but more popular than the ebola virus, meth labs and gonorrhea.

http://is.gd/zQJmx1

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 08, 2013 02:07 PM (8sCoq)

That poll is not statistically signifigant.

Posted by: Meth labs at January 08, 2013 10:10 AM (uFY4s)

50 47 I do love those polls, those facts that Everyone Knows, stating that Congress has approval ratings lower than a subway tunnel. Yet incumbents still overwhelmingly win reelection compared to challengers.

The electorate isn't merely fickle and two-faced, it's insane.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 02:09 PM (Lxw+T)

This is news?

Posted by: Meth labs at January 08, 2013 10:10 AM (uFY4s)

51 I for one hope Obama appoints Peter Singer to be Surgeon General. If'n we're gonna cull the herd, let's cull.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 10:10 AM (Lxw+T)

I know we are all supposed to oppose Hagel, and sure there is no problem with voting against him. But Obama did win and he should get the opportunity to choose his own cabinet. Sure the Dems would never go quietly with a cabinet pick they didn't like. But hey, Geitner, a known tax cheat, was allowed to serve as Sec of Treasurer. What difference does it make if Hagel is Sec Def. Obama is still the President. Our long national nightmare continues.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (gmeXX)

I do love those polls, those facts that Everyone Knows, stating that Congress has approval ratings lower than a subway tunnel. Yet incumbents still overwhelmingly win reelection compared to challengers.

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People tend to hate everyone elses congressman more than their own.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (SO2Q8)

54 I'm just here to say I'm not here. I'm staying out of this one. Once was enough.

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (KXm42)

55 Why did Obama Pick Hagel anyway, what credentials does Hagel have that the Socialist Party Members don't?

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According to your friend and mine, David Brooks, we can either have healthcare or we can have a military but we can't have both because of the cost. 'Bama is all about healthcare so Hagel was nominate to be the military cost cutting magicians that he is.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (XUKZU)

56 Not a fan of Hagel, but i don't like the way the bathwater is being thrown at him. I also don't like the meme that a GOPer is anti-Jew and anti-women. Why contribute to that when we can focus on defense issues, esp Iran? Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 02:06 PM (5H6zj) Why? That is how the Dems play the game. One set of rules for all. If you don't want to get down and dirty in the gutter, that's cool. I have no problem doing that enough for the both of us

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (9Bj8R)

57 This is news? It is to the electorate.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (Lxw+T)

58 48 Even though irrelevant for the SecDef, more fodder for the left. He's going to get it from all sides. Hope the joooo hating weasel fails. Any failure for the JEF is good.

Posted by: eureka! at January 08, 2013 02:09 PM (HPRku)

Agreed, lets destroy Chuck Hagel and lower his self esteem

Posted by: Meth labs at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (uFY4s)

59 How about Ralph Nader for Dept of Transportation?

Posted by: Vizzini [/i] at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (O7Q1u)

60 The Twelvers in Iran won't do a thing unless we and the Jewish Lobby provoke them. You can take that to the bank (when you get the $$ out to buy the bridge we've discussed). Seriously, do you know anything about Iran?

Posted by: Thorvald at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (1V6Pv)

61 Not a fan of Hagel, but i don't like the way the bathwater is being thrown at him. I also don't like the meme that a GOPer is anti-Jew and anti-women. Why contribute to that when we can focus on defense issues, esp Iran?

Because Hagel's preferred method of dealing with Iran is not to.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (SY2Kh)

62 @46 Iranians are pleased with the pick: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/337174/iran-welcomes-hagels-nomination-nathaniel-botwinick And here is why: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-hagel-and-iran_694144.html

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 10:11 AM (5H6zj)

63 I know we are all supposed to oppose Hagel, and sure there is no problem with voting against him. But Obama did win and he should get the opportunity to choose his own cabinet. Sure the Dems would never go quietly with a cabinet pick they didn't like. But hey, Geitner, a known tax cheat, was allowed to serve as Sec of Treasurer. What difference does it make if Hagel is Sec Def. Obama is still the President. Our long national nightmare continues. Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 02:11 PM (gmeXX) So what, you want to roll over and play dead?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:12 AM (9Bj8R)

64 55
Why did Obama Pick Hagel anyway, what credentials does Hagel have that the Socialist Party Members don't?

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According to your friend and mine, David Brooks, we can either have healthcare or we can have a military but we can't have both because of the cost. 'Bama is all about healthcare so Hagel was nominate to be the military cost cutting magicians that he is.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2013 02:11 PM (XUKZU)

So the incopitence is a feature not a bug?

Posted by: Cocaine users at January 08, 2013 10:12 AM (uFY4s)

65 Ace should write a movie for Nick Searcy, Adam Baldwin, and Angie Harmon. Call it... Torture's Handmaiden

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2013 10:12 AM (KwX0v)

66 I'll say this, Congress and the Senate feel worse than a few hundred root canals. At least root canals solve problems.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 10:12 AM (Lxw+T)

67 Chavez would nominate poorly qualified people who were good boot-lickers to run major portions of the government. And when they ticked off the irate FSA de Venezuela, Chavez would fire the idiot. Appoint another idiot, the FSA de Venezuela would go back home happy. Until the next screw-up and Chavez would repeat the bukkake theatre.

Does this sound like Obama's plan?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:13 AM (AgRBF)

68 63 I know we are all supposed to oppose Hagel, and sure there is no problem with voting against him. But Obama did win and he should get the opportunity to choose his own cabinet. Sure the Dems would never go quietly with a cabinet pick they didn't like. But hey, Geitner, a known tax cheat, was allowed to serve as Sec of Treasurer. What difference does it make if Hagel is Sec Def. Obama is still the President. Our long national nightmare continues.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 02:11 PM (gmeXX)

So what, you want to roll over and play dead?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 02:12 PM (9Bj8R)

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Posted by: Opossum at January 08, 2013 10:13 AM (uFY4s)

69 Why contribute to that when we can focus on defense issues, esp Iran? ----- Because Hagel's preferred method of dealing with Iran is not to. ----- That's my point. I think we should object to him, but stick to the relevant issues. I don't like that Republicans are spending time calling another Republican a Jew-hating, gay-bashing misogynist. It just feeds the image that Obama wants to propagate. Block him, but focus on the relevant things.

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 10:13 AM (5H6zj)

70 47 I do love those polls, those facts that Everyone Knows, stating that Congress has approval ratings lower than a subway tunnel. Yet incumbents still overwhelmingly win reelection compared to challengers. The electorate isn't merely fickle and two-faced, it's insane. It's the lawyer principle. "I hate all lawyers except mine. " "I hate all congressmen except mine. The rest need to be voted out but not mine."

Posted by: Buzzion at January 08, 2013 10:13 AM (f+qZx)

71 67 Chavez would nominate poorly qualified people who were good boot-lickers to run major portions of the government. And when they ticked off the irate FSA de Venezuela, Chavez would fire the idiot. Appoint another idiot, the FSA de Venezuela would go back home happy. Until the next screw-up and Chavez would repeat the bukkake theatre.

Does this sound like Obama's plan?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 02:13 PM (AgRBF)

Minus the female in the Bukkake, yes

Posted by: Opossum at January 08, 2013 10:13 AM (uFY4s)

72 70 47 I do love those polls, those facts that Everyone Knows, stating that Congress has approval ratings lower than a subway tunnel. Yet incumbents still overwhelmingly win reelection compared to challengers.

The electorate isn't merely fickle and two-faced, it's insane.

It's the lawyer principle. "I hate all lawyers except mine. " "I hate all congressmen except mine. The rest need to be voted out but not mine."

Posted by: Buzzion at January 08, 2013 02:13 PM (f+qZx)

I hate all meth labs but mine

Posted by: Meth lab owner at January 08, 2013 10:14 AM (uFY4s)

73 Posted by: Meth labs at January 08, 2013 02:11 PM

Counseling may be in order. I sense some self hate for destroying so many lives and enriching the murderous Mexican cartels. Cheer up. You've got nothing on Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot. Yet.

Posted by: eureka! at January 08, 2013 10:14 AM (HPRku)

74 If you don't want to get down and dirty in the gutter, that's cool. I have no problem doing that enough for the both of us. Count me in. Am most comfortable in the gutter. Pretentiousness gives me the hives.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2013 10:14 AM (GFM2b)

75 Adam Baldwin--- I was into him before I knew he was conservative.. Now it's messy.

Posted by: gigg at January 08, 2013 10:14 AM (41VCE)

76 I know we are all supposed to oppose Hagel, and sure there is no problem with voting against him. But Obama did win and he should get the opportunity to choose his own cabinet.

At the very least people deserve to know exactly how poorly qualified he is, in addition to his history of being anti-Israel before he's confirmed.

The MSM sure as hell isn't going to point it out for us.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2013 10:14 AM (SY2Kh)

77 how long before Biden calls him "Chuck Wagon"?

Posted by: mallfly at January 08, 2013 10:14 AM (bJm7W)

78 anti-Jew and anti-women. Why contribute to that when we can focus on defense issues, esp Iran?

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 02:06 PM (5H6zj)

uh hmm.

Posted by: ette- at January 08, 2013 10:14 AM (nqBYe)

79 @52 Your assumption appears to be that L'il Barry is just another Dem.-Commie. The fact is, Madame, that he, like the Twelvers in Iran, want to destroy first the Little Satan (Israel), and then the Great Satan (us). If you don't think they can, give them a few more months.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 08, 2013 10:14 AM (1V6Pv)

80 73 Posted by: Meth labs at January 08, 2013 02:11 PM

Counseling may be in order. I sense some self hate for destroying so many lives and enriching the murderous Mexican cartels. Cheer up. You've got nothing on Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot. Yet.

Posted by: eureka! at January 08, 2013 02:14 PM (HPRku)

Especially Pol Pot

Posted by: Meth lab owner at January 08, 2013 10:15 AM (uFY4s)

81 @56 >> Why? Daily headlines of REPUBLICAN Gay-Hating Rapist-Loving Anti-Semite Exposes Dark Under Belly of the GOP

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 10:15 AM (5H6zj)

82 We need a photoshop contest featuring Chuck, Obama, Biden, and the ayatollah

Posted by: Meth lab owner at January 08, 2013 10:16 AM (uFY4s)

83 It's the lawyer principle. "I hate all lawyers except mine. " "I hate all congressmen except mine. The rest need to be voted out but not mine." Precisely. This principle also explains why there will never be any politically-driven reform of entitlements. The only way gubmint stops stealing your money to give to old folks and printing extra to cover what's missing is when the steaming pile collapses.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we have a kinder, gentler tyranny at January 08, 2013 10:16 AM (Lxw+T)

84 Ace should write a movie for Nick Searcy, Adam Baldwin, and Angie Harmon.

Call it...

Torture's Handmaiden

Here's my money.

Posted by: EC at January 08, 2013 10:16 AM (GQ8sn)

85 It does make certain amount of sense, though. I mean Pentagon is for war and war on women is a kind of war.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2013 10:16 AM (XUKZU)

So what, you want to roll over and play dead?

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No, I want to focus on the things that truly matter. I realize the Dems fight over everything, but that is the difference between being a liberal and being a conservative. A conservative has other interests and just doesn't want to fight over other things. Sure we lose a lot because of that, but we are happier people too because we don't think everything needs to be changed. Its a conundrum for sure. Sometimes there are no good answers. I'd rather save some nomination opposition capital for a supreme court appointment.

Though, perhaps you can convince me that a potential succesfull opposition to Hagel will embolden the GOP on those future fights, so let's get the practice in.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:17 AM (gmeXX)

87 Daily headlines of REPUBLICAN Gay-Hating Rapist-Loving Anti-Semite Exposes Dark Under Belly of the GOP Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 02:15 PM (5H6zj) I'm guessing you missed the last election where that was the De's modus operandi?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:17 AM (9Bj8R)

88 Hey, leave Stalin out of it. He did a lot of good and had great ideas.

Posted by: NY Times, Academia et al. at January 08, 2013 10:17 AM (HPRku)

89 I have to admit to some confusion re Obama's pick of Hagel.

I mean we know Hagel is not a friend of Israel., Obama is similar.
Is there anything more to Hagel that would make Him a desirable SOS for Obama?

Posted by: ette- at January 08, 2013 10:17 AM (nqBYe)

90 Hey, leave Stalin out of it. He did a lot of good and had great ideas. The man needed help in his cause.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at January 08, 2013 10:18 AM (Lxw+T)

91 Hagel will most likely change his stance as his anti abortion for rape and incest is very insensitive to mooselimbs.

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 08, 2013 10:18 AM (lGu1O)

92 Though, perhaps you can convince me that a potential succesfull opposition to Hagel will embolden the GOP on those future fights, so let's get the practice in. Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 02:17 PM (gmeXX) If we keep deciding this is not the hill to fight and die on, pretty soon we ain't gonna have any hills left. And in this case with hagel, obama is trying to dismantle the Military. Make no mistake about it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:18 AM (9Bj8R)

Hagel played the conservative many a time though I think he really did believe in a strong and funded military and not just to get votes. He lost it when he got BDS over the Iraq war. He also of course is a not so in the closet anti Israel / pro Islam idiot.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2013 10:18 AM (m2CN7)

At the very least people deserve to know exactly how poorly qualified he is, in addition to his history of being anti-Israel before he's confirmed.

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I don't disagree, but you are under the assumption that we are informing people. The only people we are informing are informed people.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:19 AM (gmeXX)

95 A conservative has other interests and just doesn't want to fight ~~over other things.~~ FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2013 10:19 AM (1SE1j)

96 Well Opossum, with Hagel and Obama the jury is still out on their gender.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:19 AM (AgRBF)

97 I'm not sure who to hate here, so I hate all of them.

Posted by: Reverend Fred Phelps at January 08, 2013 10:19 AM (Lxw+T)

98 I don't like that Republicans are spending time calling another Republican a Jew-hating, gay-bashing misogynist. It just feeds the image that Obama wants to propagate. Hagel supported Sestak. He's a "Republican" in the mold of David Frum and Joe Scarborough. And throwing all of that aside, he is truly an incompetent boob.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2013 10:20 AM (xSegX)

99 President Gun Control also nominated a guy with a lifetime 'A' rating from the NRA. I doubt he's even aware of that.
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Posted by: JWF at January 08, 2013 02:01 PM (1l37M)

Well, it would get him out of the Senate before they vote on any gun control legislation.

Not that it would matter...

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 08, 2013 10:20 AM (RSqz2)

100

Iranians are pleased with the pick:

Why yes, we are.

Posted by: Valerie Jarret at January 08, 2013 10:20 AM (wAQA5)

101 In that proposed movie, there must be Kate Upton and Didem.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:20 AM (AgRBF)

102

If we keep deciding this is not the hill to fight and die on, pretty soon we ain't gonna have any hills left. And in this case with hagel, obama is trying to dismantle the Military. Make no mistake about it

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I'm ok with a strategy that we should fight every battle, at least compared to the GOP's current strategy. Though my preference would be let's fight the battles that truly matter. That too would be different from the GOP's current strategy.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:20 AM (gmeXX)

103 I'm guessing you missed the last election where that was the De's modus operandi? ----- Why do we want to contribute to that fodder? If Hagel gets blocked for things other than his terrible Middle Eastern policies, then Obama gets to say "well, I tried to reach across the aisle but this esteemed Republican Senator was too kookoobananas." Then he'll pick whoever he wants anyway and Senators will be even less inclined to block. If Hagel gets in, he gets a Republican to rubber stamp his crappy foreign policy. I'm just saying to reduce the collateral damage to the GOP by focusing our objections to what this pick says about Obama's foreign policy aims.

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 10:21 AM (5H6zj)

104 How about Ralph Nader for Dept of Transportation?

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Ralph Kramden is more qualified.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2013 10:21 AM (XUKZU)

105 I don't disagree, but you are under the assumption that we are informing people. The only people we are informing are informed people. ---- I actually did not know much about him until some if this stuff started coming out. I was aware of some of his anti-Jooo schtick, but the rape and gay hating stuff was news to me.

Posted by: gigg at January 08, 2013 10:21 AM (41VCE)

106 Anyway i believe besides hating Israel, Hagel might have also been chosen to divide the party further.
Dunno what to do about that.

Posted by: ette- at January 08, 2013 10:21 AM (nqBYe)

107 May I have 10 thousand marbles , please .

Posted by: DrDrill at January 08, 2013 10:21 AM (QeHI4)

108 Hagel supported Sestak. He's a "Republican" in the mold of David Frum and Joe Scarborough. In other words, the only acceptable type of Republican.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are indentured servants to the welfare state at January 08, 2013 10:21 AM (Lxw+T)

109 Chuck's got a fanboi in Richard Cohen:

http://tinyurl.com/a4e6mqy

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 08, 2013 10:22 AM (UOM48)

110 >I'm not sure who to hate here, so I hate all of them.

we should start a club

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 08, 2013 10:22 AM (8sCoq)

111 Why did Obama Pick Hagel anyway, what credentials does Hagel have that the Socialist Party Members don't?

Hagel is dumb enough to not realize Obama is setting him up to be the fall guy when the A-stan pullout goes clusterfuck.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 08, 2013 10:22 AM (iHs4Z)

112 A lot of you - all of you - are missing my point. Block him. Just focus on the issues relevant to the job he's being nominated for. If that is done properly then if Hagel does get blocked, Obama's anti-Israel agenda will be exposed and it will be harder for him to pick that type of person next time. Otherwise all you've done is personalize this onto Hagel, lessening the impact of what Obama's choice means in terms of his foreign policy.

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 10:23 AM (5H6zj)

113 Hagel supported Sestak. He's a "Republican" in the mold of David Frum and Joe Scarborough. ......

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2013 02:20 PM (xSegX)

Sestak's Chief of Staff went through the ranks of C.A.I.R and was a good mooselimb.

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 08, 2013 10:23 AM (lGu1O)

114 Hagel is dumb enough to not realize Obama is setting him up to be the fall guy when the A-stan pullout goes clusterfuck.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 08, 2013 02:22 PM (iHs4Z)

^^^^this

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 08, 2013 10:23 AM (UOM48)

115 Hagel is dumb enough to not realize Obama is setting him up to be the fall guy when the A-stan pullout goes clusterfuck.

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Pffffttt.....

What makes you think your even going to hear about it??

Posted by: THE M.F.M at January 08, 2013 10:23 AM (nELVU)

116 If we keep deciding this is not the hill to fight and die on, pretty soon we ain't gonna have any hills left.

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That could be the military's new Hagel motto: Not the Hill To Die On.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2013 10:24 AM (XUKZU)

117 Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 02:21 PM (5H6zj) I have long past the point where I give a rat's ass what the dems or the MSM say or think. It's War as far as I am concerned and I will act accordingly.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:24 AM (9Bj8R)

118 A lot of these RINOs are even lighter than that: they call themselves Republicans. The fact that no one else would call them that seems no cause for concern.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 08, 2013 10:24 AM (1V6Pv)

119 T H E D E V I L W E A R S E A R T H -T O N E S

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2013 10:25 AM (39q3n)

120 He lost it when he got BDS over the Iraq war. He also of course is a not so in the closet anti Israel / pro Islam idiot. These things are not unrelated. One of the reasons the initial opposition to the Iraq war was not a serious position was that it was generally a mask for anti-Israeli and pro-Islamic sentiment. Hagel seems to be of the let-the-crocodile-eat-them-first crowd.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2013 10:25 AM (xSegX)

121

Personally, I think the GOP is doing a good job with getting information out about Hagel. Ultimately, I think he will be confirmed, but it isn't a bad idea to make Obama expend some political capital on this nomination, or any other nomination.

The right stratgey on Kerry is not to necessarily oppose him (because he will definitely get through), but to hold up his confirmation hearing until you get some further answers on Benghazi.

So actually, I applaud the GOP. I don't think it will be a failure if Hagel gets confirmed. I really just don't care too much. Because in the long run, I don't think his confirmation makes that much of a difference. We know the direction Obama wants to take defense. And there are bigger issues at stake.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:25 AM (gmeXX)

122 99: Hagel's been out since 2004 or so.

Posted by: BSR at January 08, 2013 10:25 AM (CBCxo)

123

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 02:11 PM (gmeXX)

So if Obama selected Michael Moore to be head of anything, because Obama was elected we should let him have whoever he wants in office?

Reducio ad absurdum.

We should allow the President to appoint whomever he wants as long as their are no significant factors of disqualification. In my opinion, Hagel has a couple.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2013 10:25 AM (m2CN7)

124 I realize the Dems fight over everything, but that is the difference between being a liberal and being a conservative. A conservative has other interests and just doesn't want to fight over other things. Sure we lose a lot because of that, but we are happier people too because we don't think everything needs to be changed. Its a conundrum for sure. Sometimes there are no good answers. I'd rather save some nomination opposition capital for a supreme court appointment. Though, perhaps you can convince me that a potential succesfull opposition to Hagel will embolden the GOP on those future fights, so let's get the practice in. If they are tied up fighting, then they, (dims), aren't changing things. Besides, fighting with words is easy. If it comes to having to fight them with bullets, it's gonna get messy.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2013 10:26 AM (GFM2b)

125

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 08, 2013 02:23 PM (lGu1O)

___

Sestak got elected to Congress when Curt Weldon, our district's longtime Congressman was railroaded out of office.

A couple weeks before the election, the Delco Times front page story was an FBI raid on Weldon's Thornbury house. That was six years ago. To date, no charges have been filed.

Posted by: kallisto at January 08, 2013 10:26 AM (jm/9g)

126 as we can't frame the discussion. covering or morally equivocation are options i don't find digestible.

Posted by: ette- at January 08, 2013 10:26 AM (nqBYe)

127

Block him. Just focus on the issues relevant to the job he's being nominated for. If that is done properly then if Hagel does get blocked, Obama's anti-Israel agenda will be exposed and it will be harder for him to pick that type of person next time.

Otherwise all you've done is personalize this onto Hagel, lessening the impact of what Obama's choice means in terms of his foreign policy.

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Y-Not, this is well stated.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:26 AM (gmeXX)

128 A lot of you - all of you - are missing my point. No your missing the point. hagel's anti- Israel and borderline anti-semitic statements and attitude is what drew obama to him when they were in the Senate together and it is part and parcel of who he is and why he is now up for Sec. of Defense.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:27 AM (9Bj8R)

129 @112 idk... I still think we should Bork him, then make L'il Barry eat Hagel's Portuguese Water Dog. Think of the optics! And it's all true!

Posted by: Thorvald at January 08, 2013 10:27 AM (1V6Pv)

130 David "Crisp Crease" Brooks says this is behind General Pantywaist's pick of Hagel:

Chuck Hagel has been nominated to supervise the beginning of this generation-long process of defense cutbacks. If a Democratic president is going to slash defense, he probably wants a Republican at the Pentagon to give him political cover, and he probably wants a decorated war hero to boot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 08, 2013 10:27 AM (UOM48)

131 The asshats in the senate will approve him. Collegiality and all that shit. I'm sure he and McSnails were best buds.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2013 10:27 AM (J/7oO)

132 People on the left were capable of over-looking ChappaquiDICK Ted's driving a girl into a body of water, running off like a selfish coward, and hanging out with his pals for 9 hours before reporting it, while said girl slowly drowned in a sinking car. I mean if they can over-look a drunken pig's killing a girl, you can hardly expect them to hold to their convictions on something like this.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 08, 2013 10:28 AM (jLiVY)

133

So if Obama selected Michael Moore to be head of anything, because Obama was elected we should let him have whoever he wants in office?

Reducio ad absurdum.

We should allow the President to appoint whomever he wants as long as their are no significant factors of disqualification. In my opinion, Hagel has a couple.

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Polynikes, I don't disagree. I just really don't care too much. I'd prefer a coherent strategy from the GOP. I just think there are too many Congressmen, who will try to block Hagel, use that to show they oppose Obama, but then roll over on the big issues. Probably because all they care about is the military. The military is important, maybe even most important, but there are other big issues at play in this country right now. And I find those issues to be more pressing.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:29 AM (gmeXX)

134 As part of resuscitating the Republican brand, I propose adopting a modified Gadsden Flag. Replace the coiled snake with a puppy on its back.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 08, 2013 10:29 AM (Lxw+T)

135 Jane D'oh yep. Hagel is the scapegoat. Once Defense is gutted and another Pearl Harbor happens, good little Republican Hagel gives perfect cover and sacrifice.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:30 AM (AgRBF)

136 People on the left were capable of over-looking ChappaquiDICK Ted's driving a girl into a body of water, running off like a selfish coward, and hanging out with his pals for 9 hours before reporting it, while said girl slowly drowned in a sinking car. I mean if they can over-look a drunken pig's killing a girl, you can hardly expect them to hold to their convictions on something like this. Posted by: nerdygirl at January 08, 2013 02:28 PM (jLiVY) Sad but true

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:30 AM (9Bj8R)

137 What's his position on abortion in cases of "rape-rape"?

Posted by: Roy at January 08, 2013 10:30 AM (VndSC)

138

111....Hagel is dumb enough to not realize Obama is setting him up to be the fall guy when the A-stan pullout goes clusterfuck.

Spot on, PurpAv.

What better fall guy to blame everything on, than a Republican.

He can blame Hagel for...the budget cuts to the military, the failures in Af-stan, everything they've done that is going wrong...it's Hagel and the R's fault.

Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2013 10:30 AM (NN5fJ)

139

Sestak got elected to Congress when Curt Weldon, our district's longtime Congressman was railroaded out of office.

----------------------------------------------------

I've heard Sestak moves really really slow.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2013 10:30 AM (J/7oO)

140 Its been a while since we had a good Borking...

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 08, 2013 10:30 AM (iHs4Z)

141 No your missing the point. hagel's anti- Israel and borderline anti-semitic statements and attitude is what drew obama to him when they were in the Senate together and it is part and parcel of who he is and why he is now up for Sec. of Defense. --- WTF? Where did I do anything other than highlight those issues or say anything other than that those are disqualifying? My only point is to focus on those like a laser.

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 10:30 AM (5H6zj)

142 alright, if Hagel followed through his thoughts on Iran being politically assessable (why can't e be friends) blah), what would happen?

what have we seen happen through-out the mideast in the last 3 years?

why is this a choice at all for us?

anyone think Iran would say, o friends, yes we will play nice?

Posted by: ette- at January 08, 2013 10:30 AM (nqBYe)

143

Maybe Hagel is part Cherokee. It's the latest fad.

Posted by: Roy at January 08, 2013 10:31 AM (VndSC)

144 I've heard Sestak moves really really slow.
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Well its true, Slestaks are quicker.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:31 AM (AgRBF)

145 Maybe Hagel is part Cherokee. It's the latest fad. Isn't he a lawyer? Must be part Sioux.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 08, 2013 10:32 AM (Lxw+T)

146 @144 "slestak" *looks it up/face palm*

Posted by: Thorvald at January 08, 2013 10:33 AM (1V6Pv)

147 ------------ Well its true, Slestaks are quicker. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 02:31 PM (AgRBF) But those week ass bow and arrow weapons, like, a ten foot range.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 08, 2013 10:33 AM (l86i3)

148 Ace should write a movie for Nick Searcy, Adam Baldwin, and Angie Harmon.

Call it...

Torture's Handmaiden

Angie if you're a moronette....I like you best. Forget all those things I said about Jennifer Connely and the cheerleaders. And Denise Milani.

And Kelly Preston.

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2013 10:33 AM (KXm42)

149 he probably wants a Republican at the
Pentagon to give him political cover, and he probably wants a decorated
war hero to boot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 08, 2013 02:27 PM (UOM4

I respect Hagel for his service which may have been heroic but I'm not sure he is all that decorated. Couple of purple hearts I think.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2013 10:33 AM (m2CN7)

150 Looking at that picture of Little Lizzie Warren, I may start to support under certain conditions. Especially if we can avoid the tribe sunning our country today.

Posted by: marcus at January 08, 2013 10:35 AM (GGCsk)

151

And, Chuck Hagel 2/14/02: "The Kyoto Protocol would have eliminated millions of jobs in America. It would have driven our economy downward"

Hagel has a record being on the other side of the left's two biggest issues, AGW and Abortion.

Posted by: Jay at January 08, 2013 10:35 AM (3LaGb)

152 Who es mas macho?

Slestaks or the Gorn?

Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2013 10:35 AM (KXm42)

153 I believe that, as a people, we have lost control of the government. It is like a monster now, roaming the countryside, terrorizing the villagers. I say, we kill it.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 08, 2013 10:35 AM (8sCoq)

154 So hagel hates gays and thinks rape just a ok. He hates Israel and loves iran, hamas, and hezebellah. wants to cripple and gut defense. What's not to love about the guy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:35 AM (9Bj8R)

155 Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2013 02:35 PM (KXm42) The Gorn as individuals but the Slestak seem to swarm.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 08, 2013 10:36 AM (l86i3)

156

131 The asshats in the senate will approve him. Collegiality and all that shit. I'm sure he and McSnails were best buds.

You mean McCain?

No, I don't think so, Soona....Hagel voted for Barky in 2008.

So he voted for the Clusterfuck, over a fellow VietNam vet.

Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2013 10:36 AM (NN5fJ)

157 nevergiveup, well sure all that and more, but He has nice hair i guess.

Posted by: ette- at January 08, 2013 10:36 AM (nqBYe)

158

I also think a President should be given the opportunity to chose his own cabinet, basically subject to a confirmation vote. This is very different than a court appointment. A cabinet appointment, though serving the country and in the line of succession, serves under the President. It is very unlikely that they will ever become President through succession. A court appointment is an apppointment to a co-equal branch. And for a Supreme Court appointment, the stakes are higher.

Therefore, I believe that strong opposition should be reserved for court appointments, as they will have a longer influence than a cabinet appointment.

And while the President must expend some political capital in getting his cabinet members approved, the opposition expends whatever political capital they have in opposing such person. IMO, the public generally believes that a President should be given latitude in choosing his cabinet. Even Bush was able to get most of his appointments confirmed.

Thus, I believe the GOP should really not spend a lot of capital in opposition. I don't believe they have, but since Hagel will likely be confirmed, I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:36 AM (gmeXX)

159 Who es mas macho? Slestaks or the Gorn? Well, I'm telling you this. I wasn't planning to have sex with either of them.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at January 08, 2013 10:36 AM (Lxw+T)

160 I respect Hagel for his service which may have been heroicbut I'm not sure he is all that decorated. Couple of purple hearts I think. Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2013 02:33 PM (m2CN7) Look I have no idea about hagel's real record in Vietnam or the Military, but if his 2 Purple Hearts are anything like the band Aids Kerry got???????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:36 AM (9Bj8R)

161

If you look at Hagel's record he has never advocated for military cuts. In fact , he took the opposite position. I guess that would be good cover for Obama when the cuts come.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2013 10:36 AM (m2CN7)

162 After all the demagoguery, the term "Congress" is now basically synonymous with Republican obstructionists, as if the Dems weren't even participating in it. Courtesy of O's army of media prostitutes, we have definitely lost the messaging war.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 08, 2013 10:36 AM (8/DeP)

163 It doesn't matter what Chuckie thinks, because he doesn't have to bother with impressing all of you (us) morons, he just needs to impress his idiot boss.

Posted by: Fritz at January 08, 2013 10:37 AM (w3+gB)

164 Something that will test 23rd Century medical technology. Slestak or Gorn bjs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:37 AM (AgRBF)

165 After all the demagoguery, the term "Congress" is now basically synonymous with Republican obstructionists, as if the Dems weren't even participating in it. Courtesy of O's army of media prostitutes, we have definitely lost the messaging war. Posted by: Blacksheep at January 08, 2013 02:36 PM (8/DeP) Good, obstruct away, that's what they are there for.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 08, 2013 10:37 AM (l86i3)

166 101 In that proposed movie, there must be Kate Upton and Didem.

And that girl, Miss Alabama.

Posted by: Brent Mussberger at January 08, 2013 10:38 AM (I7O5y)

167 The funny thing to me about the Hagel debacle is that Kerry probably was promised both Sec of Def and State if he would put the fix in for Libya. Then Obama tells him he has changed his mind. Ha! The other irony about Hagel is that as anti-Israel as he is he would probably still argue with Barry when told to cut off intel and let the Iranians have first strike. He is quite stupid but he doesn't yet realize that Barry would rather see a nuclear war in the ME than do anything hard to prevent it. I hope they block him but I don't believe they will do anything to save the Country much less the World.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2013 10:38 AM (+paCV)

168 Isn't that how Quentin Tarantino makes his movies? First he picks the actors. Second, he creates a cool title. Then he writes the script.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2013 10:38 AM (+oin+)

169 I believe that, as a people, we have lost control of the government. It is like a monster now, roaming the countryside, terrorizing the villagers. I say, we kill it.
Posted by: Jones in CO

Wrong.

The people willing opened the cage, went back to bed, and pulled the covers over their heads.

This is what the schizo electorate asked for.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2013 10:38 AM (djdc7)

170 Slestak or Gorn bjs. In space, no one can hear you kill my hard-on.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at January 08, 2013 10:39 AM (Lxw+T)

171 QT wrote Crimson Tide with Hackman and Washington. Might explain things.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:39 AM (AgRBF)

172 168 Isn't that how Quentin Tarantino makes his movies? First he picks the actors. Second, he creates a cool title. Then he writes the script. --- Bon gerr no.

Posted by: Lt. Aldo Raine at January 08, 2013 10:40 AM (e0xKF)

173 171 QT wrote Crimson Tide with Hackman and Washington. Might explain things. --- He did script-doctoring to it, mainly to punch up dialogue, not a full write.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 08, 2013 10:41 AM (e0xKF)

174 We should make a world of terms that best describe Chuck Hagel
I'll start with the first word
1. Dumbass
Dumbass
Dumbass
Dumbass

Posted by: Meth lab owner at January 08, 2013 10:41 AM (uFY4s)

175 Who would win in a fight between Chuck Hagel and John Kerry?

Posted by: Don King at January 08, 2013 10:41 AM (I7O5y)

176 TFG is scraping the bottom of the barrel of leftovers from wet Willy's administration.

Posted by: sTevo at January 08, 2013 10:41 AM (OcVOw)

177

165...Good, obstruct away, that's what they are there for.

It was the 'obstructionist' policies in the 90's that gave Clinton that balanced budget and surplus that he took credit for.

Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2013 10:41 AM (NN5fJ)

178

Seems like Tarantino has been around forever but he has only directed 7 movies I believe.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2013 10:41 AM (m2CN7)

179 Which stopped more beating hearts in this country in 2012: Guns or Abortions?

Posted by: USA at January 08, 2013 10:41 AM (RIg+t)

180 Who would win in a fight between Chuck Hagel and John Kerry? Posted by: Don King at January 08, 2013 02:41 PM (I7O5y) Slap fights are hard to score.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 08, 2013 10:41 AM (l86i3)

181 QT wrote Crimson Tide with Hackman and Washington. Might explain things.

According to IMDB, he was brought in to touch up some of the banter between characters. I think he did the whole "Lippenzeiner stallions" bit.

Posted by: EC at January 08, 2013 10:42 AM (GQ8sn)

182 And while the President must expend some political capital in getting his cabinet members approved, the opposition expends whatever political capital they have in opposing such person. IMO, the public generally believes that a President should be given latitude in choosing his cabinet. Even Bush was able to get most of his appointments confirmed.

Thus, I believe the GOP should really not spend a lot of capital in opposition. I don't believe they have, but since Hagel will likely be confirmed, I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 02:36 PM (gmeXX)

----------------------------------------

I wish I could agree with you. But we're living in exceptional times when we have a preezy and a dem congress not only wanting to gut our economy, but to gut the only defense we have against the world's despots that are licking their chops at the thought of our demise. The same goes for Israel.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2013 10:42 AM (J/7oO)

183 Sestak got elected to Congress when Curt Weldon, our district's longtime Congressman was railroaded out of office.

A couple weeks before the election, the Delco Times front page story was an FBI raid on Weldon's Thornbury house. That was six years ago. To date, no charges have been filed.

Posted by: kallisto at January 08, 2013 02:26 PM (jm/9g)

I remember him. He was big on "Able Danger" trying to expose how Clinton had many opportunities to get obl and what Sandy Burger had down his pants.

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 08, 2013 10:42 AM (lGu1O)

184 Excuse me while I veer wildly off topic: What is with Gifford walking (limping) around with a big smile everywhere they are trying to ban guns? Before she was shot she was a 2nd amendment supporter. Now it is, "Thank all of you for your prayers and good wishes. Now I want to thank you by taking away your rights." Stupid bitch. It no longer does any good to be a decent person in this Country. You take the high road and you get stabbed in the back.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2013 10:43 AM (+paCV)

185 OSP, Hagel would use a pillow and Kerry would issue strongly worded letters.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:43 AM (AgRBF)

186 Isn't that how Quentin Tarantino makes his movies? First he picks the actors. Second, he creates a cool title. Then he writes the script. Closer to a Hollywood truth than you may know. Rob Long (of "Cheers" note and at Ricochet now) mentioned recently that your notion is rather close to how movies are made. The important thing from Hollyweird's POV is to get the project funded and started... then you actually massage the script while in the process of making the picture. The most important thing to do in Hollyweird is get the thing rolling and money spent. Afterwards, you can worry about any incidental matter like plot or story.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 08, 2013 10:43 AM (Lxw+T)

187 It's rather ironic that the reason, and really the only reason, obama nominated hagel is because hagel hates Israel and could care less about iran just like obama. obama could have nominated anyone to gut Defense with this Senate. Anyone else who is on record as hating gays and not minding rape would never even get to first base.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2013 10:43 AM (9Bj8R)

188 OSP, Hagel would use a pillow and Kerry would issue strongly worded letters. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 02:43 PM (AgRBF) Yeah, wouldn't draw a pay per view audiance.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 08, 2013 10:44 AM (l86i3)

189 I'm amazed Obama picked such a dumb fight, he could have easily found a fellow Leftie that hated Israel that would flown under the radar.

Now people on both the Left and Right have reasons to oppose Hagel. Why would any Senator have any incentive to vote for his confirmation?

And the "no exception" position has always been absurd, even years ago when Hagel had it. Reagan certainly never pushed that because he actually wanted to put together a winning coalition.

Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2013 10:44 AM (wmTpy)

190 178 Seems like Tarantino has been around forever but he has only directed 7 movies I believe. --- Which makes him Woody Allen compared to other "acclaimed" directors like Terrence Malick. Malick has been directing for 43 years and only has 7 releases to his name, including a 20-year gap between Days Of Heaven in 1978 and The Thin Red Line in 1998.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 08, 2013 10:44 AM (e0xKF)

191 Slap fights are hard to score. I say purses, at twenty paces.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 08, 2013 10:44 AM (Lxw+T)

192 Have them do a walk off. David Bowie can score.

Posted by: Vizzini [/i] at January 08, 2013 10:45 AM (O7Q1u)

193 Daybrother, look to the person helping her show up. Her husband. She is the new blond with boobehs James Brady. That the anti-gun nuts will use to club everybody who opposes them. The "Have you no shame! She was gravely wounded by gun violence! She has absolute moral authority!!"

"Hey Max Cleland, stand up!" - things Joe Biden might say.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 08, 2013 10:46 AM (AgRBF)

194 194 Have them do a walk off. David Bowie can score. --- I'd rather have Derek Zoolander as SecDef than this jackass.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 08, 2013 10:46 AM (e0xKF)

195 Sounds pretty close to how the Donks chose Obama in 2008 After all, they say politics is show business for the ugly.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 08, 2013 10:46 AM (Lxw+T)

196 197 Sounds pretty close to how the Donks chose Obama in 2008

After all, they say politics is show business for the ugly.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 08, 2013 02:46 PM (Lxw+T)

I am Pretty

Posted by: Helen Thomas at January 08, 2013 10:47 AM (uFY4s)

197 Apparently Obama will appoint Vince Shlomi as Secretary of Commerce.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 08, 2013 10:47 AM (Lxw+T)

198 It no longer does any good to be a decent person in this Country. You take the high road and you get stabbed in the back. I've been saying that for years.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2013 10:47 AM (GFM2b)

199

185 Excuse me while I veer wildly off topic:
What is with Gifford walking (limping) around with a big smile everywhere they are trying to ban guns? Before she was shot she was a 2nd amendment supporter.

It's like a replay of what happened with James Brady.

Brady was Reagan's press secretary...but after he got shot, he became a big toadie for the gun grabbers.

Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2013 10:47 AM (NN5fJ)

200 Isn't that how Quentin Tarantino makes his movies? First he picks the actors. Second, he creates a cool title.

Then he writes the script.
Posted by: soothsayer

No, he starts with the premise, "How can I justify revenge?"

True Romance, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, Inglorious, Django. All revenge fantasies. He is a one-note hack.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2013 10:47 AM (djdc7)

201 And Naked

Posted by: Helen Thomas at January 08, 2013 10:48 AM (uFY4s)

202 Shall I do a reverse strip tease

Posted by: Helen Thomas at January 08, 2013 10:48 AM (uFY4s)

203 At least with Derek Zoolander you knew he would only turn left.

Posted by: Vizzini [/i] at January 08, 2013 10:49 AM (O7Q1u)

204 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) Ah yes. Now I see. The new poster child for the new America.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2013 10:49 AM (+paCV)

205 Hey, Giffords was a politician. She was a whore long before she was shot. No, I ain't sorry nor denouncing myself.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 08, 2013 10:52 AM (Lxw+T)

206 "After all the demagoguery, the term "Congress" is now basically synonymous with Republican obstructionists," Hell, I'm all for obstructing congress. The only things they're good for is squandering enormous amounts of money and screwing things up. If the senators weren't so busy BJing each other they might be able to actually do something worthwhile. They're wrapped up in being part of "the most exclusive club in the world". That's why they can refer to a drunken pig like Kennedy as "The Lion of the Senate". My brother works for a defense industry company, and he has talked about how annoying it is to be in Washington and see some Senator walk down the hall with his lackeys, oops I mean staffers, trotting ahead to open doors and whatnot.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 08, 2013 10:53 AM (jLiVY)

207

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Not sure how opposing Hagel changes any of this.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:53 AM (gmeXX)

208 Is the point of Ace's thread post that Democrats should oppose Hagel because he has a fairly common Republican position? And that they're hypocrites if they don't? Problem is, Republicans asking Democrats to do this is even more mind-blowingly hypocritical.

Posted by: trickamsterdam at January 08, 2013 10:54 AM (uTBHY)

209 Giffords actually. Not Gifford as in Kathie Lee. I'm pretty sure Kathie Lee Gifford has been unwavering in her stance on gun rights.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2013 10:55 AM (+paCV)

210 138 --- "He can blame Hagel for...the budget cuts to the military, the failures in Af-stan, everything they've done that is going wrong...it's Hagel and the R's fault. " Posted by: wheatie at January 08, 2013 02:30 PM (NN5fJ) Which is a good reason for the GOP to squawk loudly about his nomination to the Pentagon, to make it clear that they don't agree with ex-Republican Hagel on defense policy.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 08, 2013 10:56 AM (C8mVl)

211 Let's just cut to the chase. Get Hagel in front of the Senate. Ask some tough questions and get things put into the public record, and then vote. The GOP would be smart to all vote No, and be very clear that they are voting No because of Hagel's past indifference to Israel. Not for any other reason. Let's see if the GOP can pick off 6 other Dems. If not, then move on.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:56 AM (gmeXX)

212 I did not know Tarantion wrote True Romance. My opinion of him as a writer of movies just went up a bit.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2013 10:58 AM (m2CN7)

213 With Kerry, just confirm him. The quicker he is out of the Senate the better.

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 10:59 AM (gmeXX)

214 I guess if Hagel is blocked Obama can choose Samantha Power.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2013 11:00 AM (+paCV)

215 Daily headlines of REPUBLICAN Gay-Hating Rapist-Loving Anti-Semite Exposes Dark Under Belly of the GOP

Posted by: Y-not at January 08, 2013 02:15 PM (5H6zj)

But he's not a REAL Republican if he's fellating Obama in order to get a Cabinet appointment, is he?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2013 11:00 AM (29+x5)

216 For whomever the new Sec Treasury is going to be, I hope the first question asked is "Have you ever cheated on your taxes?" Follow-up sir, "Are you aware that you must pay payroll taxes on your income?" One more follow up, "Don't you think a Sec of Treasurer should be aware of simple tax laws?"

Posted by: SH at January 08, 2013 11:00 AM (gmeXX)

217 You keep hearing that there was no special accommodations made for the kerry nomination. Same old, same old. But some reporter says they chose a spiffier room for this announcement and that means something. Then another of these guys says that hagel is not the appointment he cares about, it's the other guy. Wants the republicans to get all tired out fighting hagel so it greases the skids for the other guy. Some reporter referred to the other guy as a drone mastermind. The world mastermind strikes me as not a positive world. Reminds you of all those villains who want to take over the world.

Posted by: Caustic at January 08, 2013 11:06 AM (/b8+5)

218 Guess the left hates Jews more than babies.

Posted by: Average Joe at January 08, 2013 11:08 AM (oYXGc)

219 world should be word in #218, except in the last line.

Posted by: Caustic at January 08, 2013 11:08 AM (/b8+5)

220 Quentin Tarantino is a victim of our service economy and the fall of Western Civilization.

In a perfect world, he would have been a drill press operator.

Posted by: sTevo at January 08, 2013 11:25 AM (tKXRK)

221 @213: "The GOP would be smart to all vote No, and be very clear that they are voting No because of Hagel's past indifference to Israel. Not for any other reason." - SH I don't think this is good strategy at all, although I think I get your basic idea of separating Rs from Hagel w/out a long drawn-out struggle. Opposing a Def Sec based on his view of one foreign nation would confirm the Rs in the extremist warmonger meme the Ds have cut out for them. "I'm not the Senator from Israel" is supposed to be disqualifying, but would "I'm not the Senator from Canada" (about, e.g., the Keystone pipeline)? This whole opposition to Hagel will hurt supporters of Israel in the way that the Fiscal Cliff Deal ended up hurting Deficit Hawks. It's just a complete misreading of the Public, believe me.

Posted by: trickamsterdam at January 08, 2013 11:25 AM (uTBHY)

222 American Jews voted 70% for Obama. Who hates them ? Both AIPAC and Bibi have remained quiet on Hagel, both bet and lost heavily on Romney, their chip count is low. They could go bust if they go all in and lose again

Posted by: occam at January 08, 2013 11:32 AM (fbUla)

223

A particular opinion on abortion.

*sigh*

Yep, that's part of the qualifications for secretary of defense. Not a coherent foreign policy viewpoint that favors allies disfavors enemies (and looks askance on everyone) but the touchstone of modern politics.

Because hey - vagina.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 08, 2013 11:38 AM (hLRSq)

224 The funniest thing today is the press finally realizing that it's, for the most part, an all male cast in the administration. Yeah, I know drudge has the "we pick qualifications, not gender" meme up (can you imagine if GWB had said such?) But, that coupled with the females aren't invited to the meeting meme from the other day and the females are paid less than their male counterparts of a while back makes you kind of wonder why the press is suddenly aware of this now. Sort of like Boehner and his naive exclamation that the prez is denying there is a spending problem. How come the whole country realized this right after the ACA and Boehner didn't?

Posted by: Caustic at January 08, 2013 11:50 AM (/b8+5)

225 Obama needs a Republican patsy as cover for the carnage he has in mind for DoD, the carnage that even Panetta would have nothing to do with. Hagel is patsy with a war record, Perfect. This is not about Iran/Israel, the keys for that all in BiBi's hand. DoD is just going to be a spectator for the first couple of hours, then the Iranians are going to start hitting us. At that point, there is little Obama and Hagel could do. Any attempts to Benghazi our guys in the Gulf would backfire.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2013 11:54 AM (hrAg/)

226 While this is OT, I think my decision to buy a gun should be between me and my gun seller.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 08, 2013 11:56 AM (qwK3S)

227 Ahah... hmmm... Let's see, an old white guy who wants to control other people's lady parts is nominated by those who want others to pay for other people's lady part boo boos...

What could possibly go wrong...? Calling all Naral? Code Pink?

Time to double up on the popcorn supply -- this is going to be interesting...

Posted by: Seipherd at January 08, 2013 10:26 PM (BoLlc)

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