1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

2 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

3 So I think it was INstapundit or someone he linked to, but I read an article that basically said, you know, this may sound bad, but when people who hate you are killing each other, seems like a good idea to just let it happen.

4

What AllenG said.

5 They arrested juvenile in beating. They beat and robbed him by hitting him with a rod. He was waiting in his car to escort a female friend so she wouldnt have to walk in alone. Hate. It burns

6 Looks like Purp to the rescue with putting a stop to those Markie Post bikini pics.

7 those are symptoms of a nerve agent.

Sarin? Mustard gas?

As for the "the bump is over and we're all going to have flat growth forever and be like the Soviet Union..." maybe. We have indeed been fortunate. But then again there might be an unforeseen technology driver out there. Cheap space travel? Asteroid mining? Some computer tech that's only theoretical now? Who knows. Oh, and fourth or fifth.

8 an article that basically said, you know, this may sound bad, but when people who hate you are killing each other, seems like a good idea to just let it happen. How many of us have been saying "Arm both sides?"

9 It's Friday. How will they be serving today's squirrel in the Administration Cafeteria?

10 Re: possible chemical weapons attack.  We can;t trust our government.  We can't trust our news media.  We can't trust the Syrian government.  We can't trust the Syrian rebels.  We can't trust the UN.

I'm going with not proven.

11 Wait -- Markie Post bikini pics?

12 Make Putin clean this Syrian shit up. Sheesh.

13 aside from chem-weapons, there's other stuff that can ruin your day. Have you checked your spare tire lately? Is it actually inflated, or is it flat? Can you find that locking lugnut adapter gizmo for the wrench? Do you have a working flashlight in your ride, or are its batteries dead? Yeah. The six D cell Maglight in my car isn't there for light.

14 I had to collect and dispose of those atropine injectors when I was in the Navy because they were expired. I discharged one of them  against a  1 x 5 board.  It went through the board.



I said to myself better make damn sure I really need this before using it.

15 Maybe we can test some chem weapons on those thugs that killed the old vet.

16 We're on it!

17 Sarin? Mustard gas?

Mustard gas IIRC from Army training many decades ago, is technically a blistering agent.  Completely different symptoms than nerve agents that paralyze respiration

18

Wait -- Markie Post bikini pics?

 

End of previous thread, thanks to Jones in CO...

 

...who may continue.

19

13 -

 

Exactly.  Last I checked, Russia had a seat at the UN.  Time for  the other "superpowers" to put on their world cop uniforms.  Ours is torn and dirty. 

20 That was the 88 year old vet story. Beat with a metal rod and robbed.

21 I would think that if there was a WMD conspiracy (outside of hoaxes perpetrated by the combatants in Syria), it would be to hide chemical weapon use, not manufacture it. I don't think the Left is so foursquare down with the A-Q/MB types as to do that, not all of them, not anymore.

22 I'd like some more proof. 

23 Kate Upton > Markie Post

24 As for the "the bump is over and we're all going to have flat growth forever and be like the Soviet Union..." maybe. We have indeed been fortunate. But then again there might be an unforeseen technology driver out there. Cheap space travel? Asteroid mining? Some computer tech that's only theoretical now? Who knows. World war. Stone age. Reboot & start ovet.

25 There isn't a single light on my care-o-meter. 

26 America had a few decades of mostly unchallenged, other than by the Soviets, worldwide industrial supremacy



The Soviets were nothing. We had them beat hands down.  Their military stuff was shit.

27 FIAF??


Fasting-Induced Adipose Factor ??

28 >Looks like Purp to the rescue with putting a stop to those Markie Post bikini pics.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 23, 2013 11:36 AM (+02SO)

We had a good thing going. So much material out there. I think the 80s were sort of the Golden Age for hot babes on TV shows.

29 Like, maybe, who was it that dispensed said chem weapons?

30 French Institute Alliance Française ?

31 We had a good thing going. So much material out there. I think the 80s were sort of the Golden Age for hot babes on TV shows.


Ok Jones, now do some Pamela Hensley.  If Markie Post was a gold mine, then Pamela is a platinum mine.

32 Fuck

It

All

Friday

33 The Soviets were nothing. We had them beat hands down. Their military stuff was shit.

Posted by: Vic at August 23, 2013 11:42 AM (lZvxr)

The Soviets had excellent engineers and theoreticians but couldn't do QA to save their souls. They had great ideas that just couldn't make it past prototypes intact.

34

I wonder if we'll ever get   Fedzilla out of  the way enough  to get our economy back on track again. All these thousands of regulations aren't  helping.

 

And   IIRC, we were told up front that   UE in the nines were "the new normal"  back in '09 or so.  We're putting up with this, why, again?

35

Yeah. The six D cell Maglight in my car isn't there for light.   

 

There's no way you haven't stolen the batteries out of that thing.

36 The Soviets were nothing. We had them beat hands down. Their military stuff was shit. I remember going to Vladivostok in '96 and checking out the harbor where their Mighty Pacific Fleet was. It was like one big oil slick with hulk upon hulk of rusting warships and dilapidated buildings. It looked like it had been let go for WAY longer than six or seven years.

37

The advancements in civilization I would contend have been contingent on  the discovery of  new energy sources.  

 

We will flat line until we find something other than fossil fuels.  ( I would say nuclear power but that is going nowhere right now because of its inability to be used by the individual). 

 

Maybe  the discovery of how to harness nuclear power for individuals is the next step but I doubt it. 

38 And IIRC, we were told up front that UE in the nines were "the new normal" back in '09 or so. We're putting up with this, why, again?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 23, 2013 11:45 AM (0HooB)

It makes us just like Europe. And who wouldn't want that?

39 Maybe the discovery of how to harness nuclear power for individuals is the next step but I doubt it.

Insty talked about this before, but Toshiba has a nuke reactor the size of an outhouse.  Supposedly.  It can be buried in your backyard permanently and has enough fuel to last a lifetime.

40 Have you checked your spare tire lately? Is it actually inflated, or is it flat? Can you find that locking lugnut adapter gizmo for the wrench? Do you have a working flashlight in your ride, or are its batteries dead? I've been thinking of this kind of thing a lot recently. Not sure why it's been in my head (burning times, maybe), but I've come to the realization that I simply don't know enough survival-craft. Oh, sure, for modern emergencies, I'm fine. Spare tire? Check. Lock-nut? Check. Cellphone and AAA? Check and check. But what about other types of emergencies? I'd like to take the kids hiking and camping. Cellphones are notoriously unreliable out in the wild. I know basic first aid, but that's often not enough. What about a class 3+ disaster? (Those are the ones where officials tell you "GET OUT!")

41 I deplore the chemical weapons and the damage done to so-called innocents in Syria, but, my cynical side always remembers that the children there are brainwashed to hate the Great Satan from birth.

42 Maybe the discovery of how to harness nuclear power for individuals is the next step but I doubt it.

Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2013 11:47 AM (m2CN7)

There's lots of innovation in nukes out there; the problem is that the government-green alliance won't let it be used.

43 15 I had to collect and dispose of those atropine injectors when I was in the Navy because they were expired. I discharged one of them against a 1 x 5 board. It went through the board. I said to myself better make damn sure I really need this before using it. I love pressure. I eat it for breakfast. And...GET THAT THING AWAY FROM ME. (Now I know why I hate THE BEES - they remind me of atropine injectors).

44 That bump of prosperity that resulted from not being flattened in WWII convinced an awfully large amount of people that increased welfare costs could be borne forever.  They were, of course, dead wrong and are about to learn the same lesson that many workers who based their spending on having lots of overtime hours have learned.

45 What about a class 3+ disaster? (Those are the ones where officials tell you "GET OUT!")


I used to work at a pharma manufacturing plant.  They told me on the first day, "If you see the guys in the brown coveralls running, it's already too late.  You're fucked."

46 Carry a compressor and a tire patch kit.  You can get one that plugs into the cig lighter and  they are small enough to fit under your seat.

47 All this and WWII.

http://tinyurl.com/kqr6zta

48

The advancements in civilization I would contend have been contingent on the discovery of new energy sources.

We will flat line until we find something other than fossil fuels. ( I would say nuclear power but that is going nowhere right nowbecause of its inability to be used by the individual).

Maybe the discovery of how to harness nuclear power for individuals is the next step but I doubt it.

 

There is plenty of "fossil  fuel"  around, what's hurting us is senseless regulations keeping us from using them. The Greenies keep using the hoax  of man-made   climate change and idiot legislators against our own best interests,  killing the creation of wealth  that would enable new energy sources to be developed.

 

But you knew  that already.

49

AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 23, 2013 11:49 AM (/PCJa)

 

This is going to sound silly, and it kind of is, but if you want a decent intro to basic survival craft...check out some of the Boy Scouts of America handbooks. 

 

 

50 I've been thinking of this kind of thing a lot recently. Not sure why it's been in my head (burning times, maybe), but I've come to the realization that I simply don't know enough survival-craft. I thank God I was a Boy Scout back in the day. That & reading US Army FM's.

51 There's lots of innovation in nukes out there; the problem is that the government-green alliance won't let it be used.

Posted by: joncelli at August 23, 2013 11:49 AM (RD7QR)

 

I don't doubt that. 

52 Yays!
Be Bop Deluxe - Drastic Plastic.
Better than Island of the Dead off that album I guess.

53 They arrested juvenile in beating. They beat and robbed him by hitting him with a rod. He was waiting in his car to escort a female friend so she wouldnt have to walk in alone.



Hate. It burns

Posted by: Thunderb at August 23, 2013 11:36 AM (zOTsN)

Juvenile my ass. He's a thug. And if Barry had a son he'd look like him. Too bad the vet wasn't armed. Barry would find time to talk about it then

54
The Soviets were nothing. We had them beat hands down. Their military stuff was shit.
Posted by: Vic



The -- arguably -- evenest match-up of modern Western vs Soviet hardware was probably the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The Egyptians did very well with Soviet Tanks and ATGMs in the initial stages.

55 some stuff from a yahoo news article:

"President Barack Obama warned in an interview broadcast Friday that Syria’s alleged chemical weapons attack this week will “require America’s attention” because it could threaten “core national interests.” "
..... 

The president did not explicitly confirm charges by the opposition to Assad that the regime in Damascus carried out the worst chemical weapons attack in 25 years, killing more than 1,000 people, but declared: “This is clearly a big event of grave concern.”

“This is something that is going to require America's attention and hopefully the entire international community's attention,” he said.

..... 

And “if the U.S. goes in and attacks another country without a U.N. mandate and without clear evidence that can be presented, then there are questions in terms of whether international law supports it, do we have the coalition to make it work, and, you know, those are considerations that we have to take into account,” he said. 

..... 

and from the other side of the same side of the aisle: 

"It has been a year since the President said that the use of chemical weapons in Syria would constitute the crossing of a red line. But, because these threats have not been backed up by any real consequences, they have rung hollow," McCain said. "As a result, the killing goes on, Assad remains in power, and his use of chemical weapons against Syrian civilians apparently continues. It is long past time for the United States and our friends and allies to respond to Assad's continuing mass atrocities in Syria with decisive actions, including limited military strikes" targeting Syria's air force and missile facilities.

56 But you knew that already.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 23, 2013 11:52 AM (0HooB)

 

I agree that there are plenty of fossil fuels still available.  My point was that each discovery of a new and better energy source has led to a jump in civilization  advancements.  

 

57 *crickets*

58 if this was a nerve agent attack, how is it all those "rescuers" are able to enter the area, treat the casualties, etc, w/o MOPP gear or the equivalent?

last time i looked, even "non-persistent" G family agents were good for a day or three, depending on initial concentrations, method of application and environmental conditions...

i'm still inclined to suspect either something like AC or maybe good old chlorine gas or another caustic chemical, ala Bhopal in 1984, but then again, i was just a w*rker bee 54 series for awhile during my brilliant military career.

59 This is going to sound silly, and it kind of is, but if you want a decent intro to basic survival craft...check out some of the Boy Scouts of America handbooks.

***

Just skip the updates about the sodomy merit badges.

60 55 Barry would find time to talk about it then...

And he was probably snuck up on as well. He'd have probably pounded the snot out of the punks scum if he'd have been on firm ground.

61 The Egyptians did very well with Soviet Tanks and ATGMs in the initial stages.


The hardware, maybe.  But the doctrine, no.  The Israelis figured out that Soviet war-fighting and Arab culture don't mix and exploited the shit out of it.

62 Not-so-random thought: What we are currently seeing in America is the logical culmination of the Alinsky tactic of "pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it". The target? The entire Caucasian population of America who don't vote Progressive. Like Jews being seen as guilty of killing Jesus, every white person in America who has unacceptable politics is about to become the heir of Simon Legree. Before Rules for Radicals was about attacking single persons. Now it is moving towards the Cultural Final Solution.

63 41 Toshiba has a nuke reactor the size of an outhouse I'm holding out for some sort of Desktop nuke. I wanna be able to lob them into unsuspecting cubicles for LOLs.

64 34  The Soviets had excellent engineers and theoreticians but couldn't do QA to save their souls. They had great ideas that just couldn't make it past prototypes intact.

Posted by: joncelli at August 23, 2013 11:45 AM (RD7QR)

Back when I was in the Navy every time we made a WESPAC cruise they Soviets would overfly us with their Bear bombers.  On my last cruise after the war was over the admiral decided he would play some games with them and "hide".  They sent out 3 flights hunting for us.  We knew where they were at the whole time and they never did find us even though they knew where we left from and where we were going to. 

65 This is going to sound silly, and it kind of is, but if you want a decent intro to basic survival craft...check out some of the Boy Scouts of America handbooks. I know. I found a current day reprint of an old Boy Scout handbook (1944 maybe?) at Cabela's last time I was there. I was really, really tempted to pick it up. I probably should have. And I do know a fair amount regarding basic survival. I could make a fire if I had to, I can make a couple of different types of basic shelter, and I can handle finding water. Food is a little harder- we never bothered with snares or traps in my boyscout troop, and you can't always fish. That said- those are all fine skills for being in the actual wilderness. They're not quite as good when the problem is that civilization (however briefly) simply isn't functioning. What I *need* to do is get my family prepped for such a disaster. Store food and water, make sure we have plenty of blankets, etc.

66 Posted by: mallfly at August 23, 2013 11:54 AM (bJm7W)

Speak loudly and carry a soft stick.

67 My role in the coming times will be to supply the well stocked larder and hunting lands to the massive, lawless horde that boils out from the cities and suburbs. Everyone always assumes they will survive, but the odds are against it.

68 re 60: and your extraordinary career, let's not forget that.

69 Purp, its a dual dose treatment for things like VX.  Atropine and 2-PAM chloride and if you lack the ATNAA injectors - order of injections is atropine followed by the 2-PAM.

70

The Egyptians did very well with Soviet Tanks and ATGMs in the initial stages.

Air to Ground yes.  Tanks .  No.   

71

We will flat line until we find something other than fossil fuels.

 

Hydrocarbons  are magic and will be almost impossible to replace

72 64 The Israelis figured out that Soviet war-fighting and Arab culture don't mix and exploited the shit out of it. Elite motherfuckers shooting first, out of open AFVs from a distance, means fewer conscripted bad guys return fire from the comfort of their buttoned up T-72s, yep. You lose a few more TCs, but you do win wars. Fast.

73 My role in the coming times will be to supply the well stocked larder and hunting lands to the massive, lawless horde that boils out from the cities and suburbs.

Everyone always assumes they will survive, but the odds are against it.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 23, 2013 11:57 AM (l3vZN)

How are you at general strongman duties?

74 "President Barack Obama warned in an interview broadcast Friday that
Syria’s alleged chemical weapons attack this week will “require
America’s attention” because it could threaten “core national
interests.” "






Prezzy Race Baiter is in over his empty head once again

75 Like, maybe, who was it that dispensed said chem weapons?

I believe something was used, but the lethality levels don't seem up to snuff with what you'd expect to see from military grade dispersal systems and chemicals.

I could totally believe this was a rebel false flag op using ordinary commercial pesticides to gen up sympathy...or going one paranoia level deeper, a govt scheme to blame the rebels if the stuff and dispersal hardware is shown to be not home built rather than military origin.

Nothing is ever as it seems...

76

I agree that there are plenty of fossil fuels still available. My point was that each discovery of a new and better energy source has led to a jump in civilization advancements. 

 

We're in the unusual position of having "representatives" who no longer represent the interests of  the nation.

 

 Why this is or how it came about remains a mystery to me.

77

34 -

 

When I was in Germany, it was assumed that the invasion would be preceeded by an artillery bombardment, and those of us who survived that would be dead within hours of  the tanks rolling over us. 

 

It was then assumed that  if we had given them enough time to evacuate W. Germany, our long range bombers would come in and clean up the Soviet tank invasion. 

 

It was a theory I am glad  was never tested. 

78 And I want pizza.

79 Build a better home, in the phantom zone.

80 There is plenty of "fossil fuel" around, what's hurting us is senseless regulations keeping us from using them. This problem will go away as soon as people start starving and freezing to death in sufficient numbers. I would readily join a lynch mob against greens without a moment's hesitation. A few episodes of that, and Greenpeace and the Sierra Club will be further out on the fringe than the KKK is now.

81 81 And I want pizza. Finally figured out a way to do that low-carb. Life is good.

82 44 Maybe the discovery of how to harness nuclear power for individuals is the next step but I doubt it. Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2013 11:47 AM (m2CN7) ~ Electricity works fine for distributing nuclear power to the masses. The green movement killed nuclear power and now cries about fossil fuels.

83 Everyone always assumes they will survive, but the odds are against it.



Posted by: Jinx the Cat

I give us...

One Chance In Three


***

Life is a sexually transmitted fatal disease.

84 Finally figured out a way to do that low-carb. Life is good. If I could figure out a successful "pizza diet," I would be a happy, happy man.

85 A few episodes of that, and Greenpeace and the Sierra Club will be further out on the fringe than the KKK is now.

***

But they might make a good pizza topping.

86 If I could figure out a successful "pizza diet," I would be a happy, happy man. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 23, 2013 12:01 PM (/PCJa) You could pull that off but it would be one slice not one half.

87 Obviously once we got religion out of American life and started being secular, prosperity kept going up and up, as we are seeing even today.

88

@BurtTC,

 

FYI, I did respond to you in the last thread.  Y'all mistook the point of my story .

89 Actually, it's my understanding that we're woefully unprepared (and in a very bad area) for the burning times that drives my desire to get my family farm up and running. When we were using the public schools, that was going to be a much easier transition. Now, even if I could make a living doing that (or doing something else that left me time to run the farm), it would be almost impossible to find a school out there that would satisfy us.

90 *The -- arguably -- evenest match-up of modern Western vs Soviet hardware was probably the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The Egyptians did very well with Soviet Tanks and ATGMs in the initial stages. Yes, but the Egyptians also had some things going for them too - Sadat had made the Egyptian NCOs reasonably competent, the Israelis didn't think there would be an attack until at least 1975, and the Israelis were warned against using preemptive strikes else they'd lose the support of the US. That being said, it was very clever to use water canons instead of explosives to clear sand-dunes and utilize Soviet pontoon bridges to move heavy armor across the Nile quickly.

91

SPOKANE, Wash. (CBS Seattle/AP) — Police in Spokane, Wash., say they have arrested one of two teens suspected of fatally beating an 88-year-old veteran of World War II who had survived the Battle of Okinawa.

Authorities say the two young African American men, between 16 and 19 years old, approached Delbert Belton in his car Wednesday night outside an Eagles Lodge as he was waiting for a friend.

BeltonÂ’s daughter-in-law tells KREM-TV that the suspects beat him with flashlights.

“They used those great big heavy flashlights,” Bobbie Belton said.




Time to outlaw flashlights

92 Prosperity can work anywhere. As long as govt is kept small and individualism is allowed to triumph. America did that for 250 years. It was prosperous. Then America decided to go communist. No more prosperity. It's that simple. Ironically, China, which is on paper communist, but in reality 10X more capitalist than America, will be very prosperous for the next 100 years while America becomes a 3rd world shithole.

93

AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 23, 2013 11:57 AM (/PCJa)

Well, what I did for a time is commit to doing one thing per day. What did you do today to prepare for an emergency?

Could be as simple as buying new batteries to replace older ones in your stash. Went to a box store and bought some canned food to squirrel away. Updated the supplies in the house first-aid kit. Found a sleeping bag on sale that you could use. Stuff like that.

If you look at everything all at once, it can seem overwhelming and the natural response is to procrastinate. But if you just do small things every day, you make progress.

94 Those WMD's that Saddam didn't have that he didn't ship to Syria before the Gulf War? Yeah, these aren't those.

95 You could pull that off but it would be one slice not one half. I actually expect I could do it if I set my mind to it. Use flat bread as a "crust," use home-made marinara sauce, and focus on veggie type pizzas most of the time.

96
The hardware, maybe. But the doctrine, no. The Israelis figured out that Soviet war-fighting and Arab culture don't mix and exploited the shit out of it.

Posted by: EC




In the initial stages, the Egyptians kept the Israels from getting uncontested control of the airspace, which allowed Team Islam to leap frog forward, with tanks gaining ground, then the ATGM teams moving up to protect the gains against Israel counter attacks. Innovative tactics for the time.

See also the use of ASM by the Egyptian Navy.  That shocked a heck of a lot of Navy types.

But quality of command and manpower always seems to win out.  Soviet doctrine can plan and has a decent offensive first punch, but it doesn't re-act to changing conditions worth a damn.

97 totinos "large" party pizza -- dirt cheap, 1,200 calories for the whole thing.

Cut it into 300cal quarters.

98 Elite motherfuckers shooting first, out of open AFVs from a distance, means fewer conscripted bad guys return fire from the comfort of their buttoned up T-72s, yep.


My old gf's dad was a Major in MI.  He told me a story about how in one of the Arab-Israeli wars, they exploited their culture.

The Israeli commanders figured out that due to Arab culture, asking for backup or assistance was pretty much a confession that you weren't a man.  They found two separate columns of  Arab armour coming at them and exploited that little tidbit by driving directly down the middle of both and killing them from the inside. 

How?

Neither Arab commander in charge of each column wanted to be the first to radio the other one and say they were engaging the jews and request backup.  So the Israelis pretty much cut them in pieces because neither column told the other there were joos in the wire.

99 The one thing that you can say is-- around the same time that supposedly Assad uses chemical warfare--he also makes-- significant gains in the war--and the opposition is deterred. That Foreign Policy article I linked the other day mentioned that corollary and I forgot to mention that. So say you graphed the Assad war effort in effect and you plotted the "Times" of suspected chemical agents use....you get what might look like a causal relationship.

100 I used to work at a pharma manufacturing plant. They told me on the first day, "If you see the guys in the brown coveralls running, it's already too late. You're fucked."
Posted by: EC
----------

A story. I was about to back out of my driveway. Across the street, some utility guys were working on a gas line with a backhoe. At the precise moment that I started the car, I heard a loud 'PISHUUUUUU...". My first thought was, "What the hell has happend to my car"? Then..., a rapid movement in the rear view mirror caught my eye. It was the the gas company guys running. My reactions may not be the best, but I figured that if they  were running, it was probably a sound strategy on my part also. So I bolted up the block. An emergency repair crew arrived pretty quickly and took care of things. The line was a 4", 60 psi line. The workers had done everything correctly, in that they had used  pinch-clamps to seal off the bit they were replacing, but a weld broke on one of the clamps, and it popped off.

101 AllenG, the concept of Civil Defense has atrophied so badly it is not funny.  Too many are used to having the government show up.  In the burning times, no matter how many times you dial 911 they won't show up.  And far too many will be out of luck. 

102 I actually expect I could do it if I set my mind to it. Use flat bread as a "crust," use home-made marinara sauce, and focus on veggie type pizzas most of the time. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 23, 2013 12:04 PM (/PCJa) It's the cheese that's the killer.

103 I want them to die

104 http://tinyurl.com/knlvv Man, I can't believe it's still on line. Food storage FAQ written for Y2K. I had a small, small part in it.

105 Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 23, 2013 12:04 PM (1Jaio) ________________ This had nothing, I repeat nothing to do with race. - MSM

106

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 23, 2013 12:04 PM (F3IIA)

 

Not gonna lie, my back up plan looks more and more like "waiting for death" each day.

 

Sadly, I'm kinda OK with that.

107 I have chicken cor-don-bloo sammich thing goin on over here.

Its spectacular.

108 That same article said that Assad might be diluting the agents and using them in a combined way with convention bombing and tear gas which could reduce the ability to trace it and cause less severe reactions.

109 It's the cheese that's the killer. Yeah. You can actually do "okay" with cottage cheese (don't judge me), and low-fat cheeses aren't too bad.

110 But if you just do small things every day, you make progress.

Yep, even if its only one small thing -- just keep moving the ball forward. 

cleaning out a garage can look overwhelming, but finding the right home for one or two tools laying around isn't.

111 This had nothing, I repeat nothing to do with race.
- MSM

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 23, 2013 12:07 PM (HDgX3)

 

-- Never is

112 The only thing I really liked food-wise in STL while I was there was the pizza crust. Making Pizza on a low-carb tortilla with a thin layer of pepperoni bears resemblance to this thin-style crust.

113

92 -

 

Thanks, I just read it now.  This is what happens when I come in  at the tail end of a conversation.  I miss the point of the discussion, and get bogged down in the  nitty gritty. 

 

Thanks for the heads up, sorry for the misunderstanding. 

114 I think President Obama should porder the radio stations that carry that fat slob Limbaugh now because his vicious lies are brainwashing young peoples minds. Limbaugh is bad for this country and President Obama should do something about this racist individual aginst persons of color and persons of some color and Persons of muslim color.

115 Nuclear Power is not dead.  There are several plants under construction now.   GA power is building two new ones at their Vogtle Site near Augusta.

116 Assad is going to ebd up at the Hague sooner than later, if he survives. I don't know who will pull the trigger on him but the world frowns on Chem weapons.

117   Ironically, China, which is on paper communist, but in reality 10X more capitalist than America, will be very prosperous for the next 100 years while America becomes a 3rd world shithole. 

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 23, 2013 12:04 PM (HDgX3)


Why would you trust economic statistics from lying communists?   

Building empty cities is not prosperity - it's the height of wasteful centralized economic management.    It is a tossup whether it's more wasteful than shutting down industry for random critters; but at best it's an example of less stupid, as opposed to smart.  

118 104 It was the the gas company guys running. Never, under any circumstances...are a mass of guys from a public utility running a "good thing".

119 WMT used to sell a pizza even cheaper than the totinos, but I haven't seen it lately.  It went lighter on the cheese and had less calories

120 Oh, this is no fair. I'm talking about wanting pizza, and a Papa John's promo appears in my email in-box. $6.99 for a large. Dang it.

121 Nuclear power for the people?  Well it seems the DOE is finally doing what the French did decades ago - "Hey lets standardize on a design instead of custom building super sized ones. Eureka!"
http://tinyurl.com/lcd68by

122

112 -

 

And it can be used as a salad dressing!

 

(sorry, it had to be said)

123 That same article said that Assad might be diluting the agents and using them in a combined way with convention bombing and tear gas which could reduce the ability to trace it and cause less severe reactions.

Posted by: tasker at August 23, 2013 12:07 PM (r2PLg)

 

Actually to me that is more evidence that the rebels did this themselves.  They want to get the West involved but they don't want their  Reichstag fire to  burn out of control killing everyone to accomplish it. 

124

 if this was a nerve agent attack, how is it all those "rescuers" are able to enter the area, treat the casualties, etc, w/o MOPP gear or the equivalent?

 

last time i looked, even "non-persistent" G family agents were good for a day or three, depending on initial concentrations, method of application and environmental conditions...

 

i'm still inclined to suspect either something like AC or maybe good old chlorine gas or another caustic chemical, ala Bhopal in 1984, but then again, i was just a w*rker bee 54 series for awhile during my brilliant military career.

 

 

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 23, 2013 11:56 AM (q+fqH)

 

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I was thinking  it was a blood agent  like cyanogen or  hydrogen  cyanide   for those  very reasons.  Sarin  is about  the quickest  dissipating  non-persistent nerve gas,  but even  after twelve  hours, you're still going to have some  first responders drop  to the floor and do the kickin' chicken from handling the bodies and absorbing it through their skin. 

 

Most blood agents dissipate below lethality in a couple of hours or so.  Also,  they have to be inhaled, so handling  corpses wouldn't kill  you.

 

Also,  blood agents are  much  more stable  for battlefield use.  They store better, last longer and retain more potency.  But  a gas mask is all the protection you need from them,  which is why everyone is so frightened of nerve agents.

125 Not gonna lie, my back up plan looks more and more like "waiting for death" each day.

Sadly, I'm kinda OK with that. Posted by: tsrblke
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Looking at the list of suggested list of pharmaceuticals to hoard, that was posted here the other day, suggests how woefully unprepared I am. I despair of actually being able to survive more than a couple of weeks in a serious circumstance.

126 Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrghhh! Sorry. Tension breaker. Had to be done.

127 Quit lying about our President of Color on grounds of predjudice towards persons of color............

128 The workers had done everything correctly, in that they had used pinch-clamps to seal off the bit they were replacing, but a weld broke on one of the clamps, and it popped off.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 23, 2013 12:05 PM (aDwsi)


Yes.   Of course. 

/shiftyeyes

129

http://tinyurl.com/knlvv


Man, I can't believe it's still on line.
Food storage FAQ written for Y2K.

I had a small, small part in it.

 

Posted by: rickb223 at August 23, 2013 12:06 PM (t+DWU)

 

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You were involved in that?  I relied on that FAQ for some things, although not in a Y2K context.

 

It's a very good guide.

130 Mixed up a batch of this for TGIF's treat tonight. It's a great recipe in that it is not the egg yolk, custard base, which takes a bit longer to make. And, most of this stuff is always on hand (if you take 1/2 n 1/2 in your morning coffee.) It wants you to also use regular peanut butter, not pure, organic. So, pretty basic stuff. Makes a quart. Whisk together the following in a med. saucepan: 2 cups half and half 1/4 cup unsweetened Dutch-process cocoa powder 1/2 cup sugar Pinch of salt While whisking, bring to a rapid boil - will foam up. Remove from heat. Whisk in: 1/2 cup smooth peanut butter (not organic) That's it. Then chill it completely in fridge. Churn it when it's cold. Good stuff. From The Perfect Scoop cookbook.

131 Building empty cities is not prosperity - it's the height of wasteful centralized economic management.

We're so advanced we don't even bother with making unused shit anymore.  We squander the money with no visible effect or need to employ people ;->

132

Sorry. Tension breaker. Had to be done.

 

Here *shoves a slice of pizza   into   USB port*

 

And  I totally read your   comment   as "Papa John's porno."

133 And I totally read your comment as "Papa John's porno." Ew.

134 You were involved in that? I relied on that FAQ for some things, although not in a Y2K context. It's a very good guide. Small part of it. Some food storage, some water treatment & storage.

135 @Allen

Papa Johns would have to be $1.99 for a large to risk sitting on the shitter for an hour every time I eat the damn stuff. You shouldn't have to spend more money on toilet paper than you do on the pizza that causes the results and I'll leave it at that.

136 Well, I saw yesterday's footage of the "gas attack victims" on Special Report, and it's bullshit. Conveniently out-of-focus cameras, a "convulsing" man who looks like a bad actor on the old Star Trek, "dead" victims who look like people sleeping (no rigor, no blisters, no mucus, no twisted limbs.)

Sorry, I don't care if the Syrian rebels are on the side of baseball and the Virgin Mary, they're Middle Eastern, and the Mideast is a cesspit of crude lies.

137

Sorry. Tension breaker. Had to be done.

 

-----------------

 

Summer School.  An extremely underrated film.

138 Soviet doctrine did well when everything went according to the plan. It couldn't react fast enough to battlefield surprises. Subordinate commanders didn't have enough flexibility to use initiative to overcome unexpected events. This could be and was exploited.

139 Actually to me that is more evidence that the rebels did this themselves. They want to get the West involved but they don't want their Reichstag fire to burn out of control killing everyone to accomplish it. Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2013 12:10 PM (m2CN7) *************** Really? But at the same time the rebels are significantly --defeated. Plus supposedly one of the instances was via a bomber. My feeling on it is it will be impossible to get proof.... And Samantha Power a no show at the UN Security Council is-- inauspicious.

140 Why would you trust economic statistics from lying communists? Building empty cities is not prosperity - it's the height of wasteful centralized economic management. It is a tossup whether it's more wasteful than shutting down industry for random critters; but at best it's an example of less stupid, as opposed to smart. Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 23, 2013 12:10 PM (sGtp+) ________________ You're right, a lot of the numbers are fudged. But whether growth is 9% a year (official numbers) or 4% a year (more likely) it's still a hell of a lot better than the 0% growth here.

141 Yes. Of course.

/shiftyeyes
Posted by: Mike Hammer's Cat
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I would NOT put it past the little bastard.

142 As if there is not enough pain and misery in the world, Ben Affleck will play Batman opposite Henry Cavill in the 'Man of Steel' sequel due out in 2015, Warner Bros. announced Thursday. Zack Snyder will be back to direct.

143   Here *shoves a slice of pizza into USB port* 

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 23, 2013 12:14 PM (0HooB)

Why do you people keep doing this to me?!!?  

144 Even with the Papa Johns recent 50% off promo won't order it.  I can not stand the taste of their red sauce.

145 Posted by: H Badger at August 23, 2013 12:14 PM (n/0Nw) Papa John's is my favorite chain pizza. I've never had a problem with it. The only (chain) that comes close is Little Caesar's, and that's much more about the Crazy Bread & Crazy Sauce than it is their pizza. Non-chains (or at least: not well known chains) I love Mellow Mushroom and a place in Elk Rapids, MI called Chef Charles.

146

Cottage Cheese on a Pizza. 

That's a mancard violation, right there.

147 "The classic example of the scale of these transformations is Paul KrugmanÂ’s description of his kitchen: The modern kitchen, absent a few surface improvements, is the same one that existed half a century ago. But go back half a century before that, and you are talking about no refrigeration, just huge blocks of ice in a box, and no gas-fired stove, just piles of wood. If you take this perspective, it is no wonder that the productivity gains have diminished since the early seventies. The social transformations brought by computers and the Internet cannot match any of this." Here's a video from the RCA Whirlpool Miracle Kitchen circa 1957 - http://s.shr.lc/13WCT9e . Has much changed? How much has come to fruition?

148 "40 I just do not care about what's happening inside Syria anymore. It's like a fight between Scientologists and the Westboro Baptist Church to me.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at August 23, 2013 11:48 AM (tWmgi)"

That is a great line.  I am going to steal it and use it frequently.

149

[Purp - ] ..."aside from chem-weapons, there's other stuff that can ruin your day. Have you checked your spare tire lately? Is it actually inflated, or is it flat? Can you find that locking lugnut adapter gizmo for the wrench? Do you have a working flashlight in your ride, or are its batteries dead?"

 

-----

 

Excellent advice, Purp.

Thanks.

 

I haven't checked the batteries in the flashlight in my truck in a year.

And I don't remember when the last time I checked the inflation level of the spare...or remember where that fucking locking lugnut thingie is.

 

But as a gurl...I am fortunate to have some standard equipment that can be useful in a roadside emergency:

Boobs.

 

If all else fails, I can flash my boobs at an oncoming vehicle...and perhaps get someone to come to my aid.

 

150 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 23, 2013 12:15 PM (CJjw5) Thank you. I loved that movie. And it was back when Kirstie Allie was kinda hot. (She was never more than "kinda" hot, IMO).

151

>>> Summer School. An extremely underrated film.

 

 

Go away, Beach Dog!

152 146 Posted by: H Badger

 I'm surprised such a cautious attitude is coming from someone with a nic such as yours... 
Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at August 23, 2013 12:16 PM (tWmgi)


Honey Badger's lesser known cousin - Hominy Badger.  

He'd rather not give a shit.  

153 I fail at this socking thing.  Badly.  

154 Completely unrelated, but the President is just down the road from me at Binghamton.  Conveniently, only faculty and students are allowed, so his "town hall" is composed mostly of folks who don't live in the area.  

155 NoVa Morons: Anybody been to the AMC in Clarendon? The one that got renovated? Went last night and now I don't think I'll be able to go back to a regular theater. The screen is smaller, and the room sits about 30 people. The best part? Everybody sits in a giant leather recliner. Yes, you heard me, recliner! With it fully reclined there's still a good two feet of room to the back of the seat in front of you. And there's assigned seating. Plus, the arm rests are so big there's no awkward situation with the person next to you. It was just such a different movie experience, and a better one. Now if there were only some good movies to see...

156 The Syrian videos I've seen look staged. But I'm no expert on what it should look like.

157 If all else fails, I can flash my boobs at an oncoming vehicle...and perhaps get someone to come to my aid.



*watches 200 car pile up happen in all directions*


Good job wheatie!

158 Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2013 12:18 PM (ipDeW) I *said* don't judge me. I seriously may have to try to figure out some "diet" pizzas. Forgo my beloved pepperoni in favor of something like grilled chicken.

159 It's natural gas We're lousy with it and the tech is advancing  Even without the help of our betters  Check it out

160 I am of the firm believe that I don't want to be a Burning Times survivor.  As a believer I can say that as I take my last breath in this shit hole I'll be preparing to take my first breath for all eternity in Glory.  Sounds like a win to me.

161 135 The word 'quart' and 'whisk' causes my brain to think 'Jim Beam.'

162 But as a gurl...I am fortunate to have some standard equipment that can be useful in a roadside emergency: Boobs. If all else fails, I can flash my boobs at an oncoming vehicle...and perhaps get someone to come to my aid. That is so unfair. And so damn effective.

163 Over the last couple of days black teens have attacked and murdered a jogger in Oklahoma and a WWII Vet in Washington. Ebony Magazine was right: They are all Trayvon now.

164 It's 2013. The future sucks. Everything is crap. But we have nice phones. And internet porn.

165

Even with the Papa Johns recent 50% off promo won't order it. I can not stand the taste of their red sauce.

 

Their garlic sauce will cover that up.

 

I worked at  a little pizza place in B'ham and made the biggest, most obscene pizza you've ever tried to eat called the All American. It almost took two people to put this behemoth in the oven.

 

Think quadruple everything, with bacon and pineapple, held together with even more cheese after we  assembled it. One slice was about all anyone could eat at   one time. And it was damned good.

166 It's 2013. The future sucks. Everything is crap. But we have nice phones. And internet porn.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 23, 2013 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

So it's even?

167 Everything is crap. But we have nice phones. And internet porn. When you put it that way, it doesn't seem so bad.

168 "The classic example of the scale of these transformations is Paul KrugmanÂ’s description of his kitchen: The modern kitchen, absent a few surface improvements, is the same one that existed half a century ago. But go back half a century before that, and you are talking about no refrigeration, just huge blocks of ice in a box, and no gas-fired stove, just piles of wood. If you take this perspective, it is no wonder that the productivity gains have diminished since the early seventies. The social transformations brought by computers and the Internet cannot match any of this." _____________ That's former Enron advisor Paul Krugman. He's an idiot. Just having access to the information we have now with the click of a button compared to what we had even 20 years ago, let alone 50 years ago has transformed society more than anything else in the history of mankind. My job didn't exist 20 years ago.

169 This so called attack on the Austrailain guy is not racist. Persons of color cannot be racist based on our skin color. So that stooped excuse/defense should be dropped and I hope President Obama does something about this ginned up lie by Limbaugh, Hannity and Mark Levin and the other Republican Pieces of human debris........President Obama is trying to fix the problems of this country and most people will not support him because they don't want to give credit to a person of color for doing a job well done.

170 That is so unfair. And so damn effective. Posted by: rickb223 at August 23, 2013 12:21 PM (t+DWU) Don't forget the speeding tickets averted with the pop of a button and the wink of an eye

171 I seriously may have to try to figure out some "diet" pizzas. Forgo my beloved pepperoni in favor of something like grilled chicken. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 23, 2013 12:20 PM (/PCJa) Turkey pepperoni?

172 Conveniently, only faculty and students are allowed, so his "town hall" is composed mostly of folks who don't live in the area.
Posted by: Aaron
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Guarantees an audience of Fellow Travelers

173 Perhaps before we accept that the advancement of civilization and American Exceptionalism is over, we should try to get the boot off the necks of the our producers. Maybe even hang a few of the perfumed barbarians that are ruling over us.

174 Former Enron advisor Paul Krugman thinks the only way an economy prospers is by manufacturing. In his world Google doesn't contribute any economic value because it doesn't have factories with unionized hourly workers.

175 "There's lots of innovation in nukes out there; the problem is that the government-green alliance won't let it be used.

Posted by: joncelli at August 23, 2013 11:49 AM (RD7QR)"

Maybe the Zetas could be persuaded to invest some of their drug profits in the next generation of nuclear power plants in the areas they control in Northern Mexico.  They could then provide cheap electricity to energy hungry industries in their areas of control or they could sell electricity into the grid both in Mexico and across the border.

176 I'm was with you there until I started getting the take-and-bake pizzas from Papa Murphy's. Those are just awesome. But yeah, I'm kind of surprised people don't like Papa John's. I'm not a fan of Papa Murphy's. It's perfectly serviceable pizza, but nothing to write home about. Strangely, the best take-and-bake pizza I've ever found is the Aldi brand. It's like $6 for a hugenormous pepperoni pizza (seriously- barely fits in my oven). And it's *good*.

177 I seriously may have to try to figure out some "diet" pizzas. Forgo my beloved pepperoni in favor of something like grilled chicken. Turkey pepperoni.

178 Strangely, the best take-and-bake pizza I've ever found is the Aldi brand. It's like $6 for a hugenormous pepperoni pizza (seriously- barely fits in my oven). And it's *good*.

+1

It is.

179 Turkey pepperoni? It just doesn't taste right. It might do, I guess.

180 ) 141 Well, I saw yesterday's footage of the "gas attack victims" on Special Report, and it's bullshit. Conveniently out-of-focus cameras, a "convulsing" man who looks like a bad actor on the old Star Trek, "dead" victims who look like people sleeping (no rigor, no blisters, no mucus, no twisted limbs.)  Sorry, I don't care if the Syrian rebels are on the side of baseball and the Virgin Mary, they're Middle Eastern, and the Mideast is a cesspit of crude lies. 

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at August 23, 2013 12:15 PM (celt+)


Interesting.   My gut feeling when first watching the video was - buncha people sleeping?   Then my mind said, the article says these are victims and they are supposed to be dead, and so changed my attitude.  

181 Don't forget the speeding tickets averted with the pop of a button and the wink of an eye Posted by: Oldsailors
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I know..., I know..., that should work, right?

182 Disaster prep cannot be done in a day with a trip to Wal-Mart. It takes thought, planning and a willingness to devote some income to it. It's also about realizing that the bulk of your neighbors will not have thought about it. Remember, the difference between civilization and barbarism is 72 hours of food and water.

183 Russia failed because they didn't pass out education vouchers That's why they have ghost town cities and they couldnt keep up with our technology

184
Papa John's is my favorite chain pizza. I've never had a problem with it.

The only (chain) that comes close is Little Caesar's, and that's much more about the Crazy Bread & Crazy Sauce than it is their pizza.

Non-chains (or at least: not well known chains) I love Mellow Mushroom and a place in Elk Rapids, MI called Chef Charles.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 23, 2013 12:17 PM (/PCJa)

 

I'm done with Papa John's at least here.  Ordered delivery from them.  20-40 minutes.  An Hour and 15 minutes later I call them to find out where the hell my pizza is.  "Its on its way."  This not a small town but its not some major city either.  Probably another 20 minutes before it arrives.  No apology from the driver for how long it took.

 

I'll go Pizza Hut or Dominos. 

185 Backwards Boy, let me reiterate I hate their red sauce.  It tastes like they poured a cup of sugar in it.  And then added more just in case.

Had a place like you described.  They always gave a lot of toppings.  Ordered the double cheese one time.  Oh gawd was so much heaven that pizza.  Next day when I tried to cut it apart to reheat, the double cheese scoffed at the knives.  But once I chiseled it apart, it was all good again.

186 But as a gurl...I am fortunate to have some standard equipment that can be useful in a roadside emergency: Boobs. We are going to have to evaluate to give you a prepper score.

187

Well, a Little Caesar's opened up near my hood awhile ago.  Walk in and $5 later they immediately hand you a decent pizza.

 

 

188 I like pizza with boboli crust. Cheese, Canadian bacon, PINEAPPLE, onion and jalepenos. washed down with a cold unpretentious coors light.

189 Just having access to the information we have now with the click of a button compared to what we had even 20 years ago, let alone 50 years ago has transformed society more than anything else in the history of mankind.

I think you missed the point.  Clicking a button to read Wikipedia doesn't get dinner made any faster/easier.

190 I am of the firm believe that I don't want to be a Burning Times survivor. As a believer I can say that as I take my last breath in this shit hole I'll be preparing to take my first breath for all eternity in Glory. Sounds like a win to me. I'm not quitting until God calls me home. Until that moment, I'm fighting with everything at my disposal.

191 Yep, blacks can't be racist cause they have no power. Racism=discrimination + power. Only whites have power. What possible power could a young, healthy black man have over a frail, elderly white man? See. Also, what possible power could multiple black men with a gun sneaking up behind a white man out for a jog have? See. None because slavery.

192 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 23, 2013 12:27 PM (ZPrif) Damn, you must teach diversity classes.

193 You people do unspeakable things to pizza.

194 Well, a Little Caesar's opened up near my hood awhile ago. Walk in and $5 later they immediately hand you a decent pizza.


I am considering cashing in and buying a couple of LC franchises.  A friend of mine said that a work buddy did the same and opened up three stores.  He said he grosses or nets (can't remember which) $1.5 million a year.  Even if it's a gross, shit...that's more money I'll make at my job now.

195 I have never had Lil Caesars, even though it's the closest pizza place to my house. Is the sauce sweet? If sauce is at all sugary, I throw it away.

196 Totinos make a pretty good frozen pizza.  Cheap too.  My mom went to school with Jean Totino in NE Mpls in the 40's, when the Totinos only had a Pizza Parlor.  They have grown their business rather nicely.

197 195. You're just trying to get me started, aren't you?

198 Yep, blacks can't be racist cause they have no power. Racism=discrimination + power. Only whites have power. What possible power could a young, healthy black man have over a frail, elderly white man? See. Also, what possible power could multiple black men with a gun sneaking up behind a white man out for a jog have? See. None because slavery. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 23, 2013 12:27 PM (ZPrif) That was the EXACT argument some news head used in an interview with Brad Thor after he said he'd buy Zimmerman a gun.

199 The key to wealth is cheap energy. Our eco-fascist ruling class is religiously devoted to raising the cost of energy.

200 Really?


But at the same time the rebels are significantly --defeated.

Plus supposedly one of the instances was via a bomber.


My feeling on it is it will be impossible to get proof....

And Samantha Power a no show at the UN Security Council is--


inauspicious.

Posted by: tasker at August 23, 2013 12:15 PM (r2PLg)

 

As I posted yesterday, think about who would benefit from a chemical attack.  Certainly not Assad who has been told by the West that use of chemical weapons would solicit intervention.   That is the only thing that could defeat Assad is the West's intervention as in Libya.   The rebels are losing and want the  West to intervene.   How do you accomplish that? 

201 You're just trying to get me started, aren't you? Posted by: Navycopjoe at August 23, 2013 12:29 PM (j8JLb) Sorry, didn't see you in the corner slapping your stick in your hand.

202 Completely unrelated, but the President is just down the road from me at Binghamton. Conveniently, only faculty and students are allowed, so his "town hall" is composed mostly of folks who don't live in the area. Posted by: Aaron at August 23, 2013 12:19 PM (Tlix5) My daughter gadiated about 14 months ago. Thank G-D she is not there for this

203 The word 'quart' and 'whisk' causes my brain to think 'Jim Beam.' Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 23, 2013 12:20 PM (aDwsi) There's a Guiness ice cream in the book, too. But, most have vodka or kirsch in them to preserve them.

204 Oh, don't even start with that Deep Dish shit, Joe.

205 Rush brought up the fact that ppl put a petition for the SCOAMF to act on Affleck as Batman, hehe. Yup. Our nation.

206 Yep, the only whites can be true racists because of power differentials has been standard academic dogma for almost 30 years.

207
It's 2013. The future sucks. Everything is crap.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe



Computer-things are way ahead of the curve, except for HAL-like sentience.  Recall Heinlein juveniles of the 50s with brave astrogators cranking the plot into their hulking mechanical analog computers.

But yeah, overall a disappointment. Space travel a tired shadow of what it could have been, and society one step to the right of Soylent Green.

208 Is this where I insert the "It.Shall.Have.Anchovies" command?

209 @211 Gino's East in Chicago is damn good pie.

210 I think you missed the point. Clicking a button to read Wikipedia doesn't get dinner made any faster/easier. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ is at work and needs a beer at August 23, 2013 12:26 PM (/kI1Q) ________ No. But I have access to 1000 ways to prepare that dinner which I didn't have back in the "good old days".

211 It's not all about public relations, Syria has the reality of an urban war going on. Sure, there are considerations about what the US might do, but how often do those considerations result in anything more than UN gabfests and worthless documents?

212 obama's statement on Syria is revolting. What ever you think about what to do with Syria, this putz is completely abrogating American Leadership in the world and making us a laughing stock

213 211. No, it was his large PINEAPPLE It's a trap!!!!

214

I am considering cashing in and buying a couple of LC franchises

 

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Not a bad idea, especially if you have a good location in mind.  The LC's near me still has a pretty brisk business going on. 

215 Or the boffins on Uller using slide rulers to get the equations right to build an atom bomb in H. Beam Piper's Uller Uprising.

216 Oh, don't even start with that Deep Dish shit, Joe. Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2013 12:30 PM (ipDeW) It's all good, why can't we judge a pizza on the content of it's ingrediants, not the shape of it's crusts. We can learn so much about cheesy goodness with kindness and patience. ALL WE ARE SAYIN, IS GIVE PIZZA CHANCE.

217 Any word on GatewayPundit? Heard he is sick and in the hospital.

218 My role in the coming times will be to supply the well stocked larder and hunting lands to the massive, lawless horde that boils out from the cities and suburbs. Think density. The world outside the cities is a very, very large place. Whoever survives the thirst and dysentery to boil out of the cities into even only the inner suburbs will find too much land area to sustain mobs big enough to have things go their way. As for bands smaller than rampaging mobs, you or whatever form of authority/sovereignty that steps up to fill the gap will know how to deal with them. I read a discussion on a gun-oriented bulletin board several years ago about stray pets in rural settings--there was supposedly an uptick in people's abandoning pets in the country because of the bad economy. The consensus among farmers is to shoot unrecognized stray dogs on sight. As a non-rural type, I somewhat recoiled at the idea, but the reasons behind such a policy make perfect sense. In the upside-down world we were born into, the thugs get a hell of a lot more protection from the rest of us because of the law than the law provides the rest of us protection against the thugs. I watched an episode of "The Rifleman" the other night. In it, Lon Chaney played a bad guy named Charlie Gordo in the marshal's jail waiting for transport to the prison in Denver to be hanged. Gordo's minions started killing people to get Gordo released. When the marshal's office came under siege at night, my first thought was that the marshal should kill Gordo immediately. If the thugs then succeed in overrunning the marshal and Lucas McCain, then at least the big boss is dead. On the chance that the marshal fends off the bad guys against the mighty steep odds, anybody with the bad form to ask later what happened to Gordo should be dragged out and shot.

219 The future is so bright
http://tinyurl.com/kcoq6c4

220

Gino's East in Chicago is damn good pie.

 

No.  It's a disgusting casserole.

221 I have access to 1000 ways to prepare that dinner which I didn't have back in the "good old days".

Just two more than the 1950s:  microwaves and delivery.  Canned foods were invented in the 19th century.  Boxed and frozen foods before WWII.

222
Pizza thread and no one mentioned Costco?

223

I bought one of those fancy 'Baking Stone' thingies, for baking pizza...

 

Tried using it several times...and the pizzas didn't turn out as good as they do when I use my old, beat up, aluminum baking sheet with the little perforations in it.

 

So, is there some special trick to using one of those Baking Stones?

The reoccurring problem was...the crust turned out too dry and hard on the bottom, by the time the top part of the pizza was cooked.

224 Nothing is ever as it seems...
Posted by: Purp at August 23, 2013 11:59 AM

"In war, truth is the first casualty" - Aeschylus

225 222
I am considering cashing in and buying a couple of LC franchises

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Not a bad idea, especially if you have a good location in mind. The LC's near me still has a pretty brisk business going on.

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 23, 2013 12:33 PM (F3IIA)

 

Around here it seems like the preferred thing for Little Caesars is to be attached to a Family Video.

226 I thought this was funny.  Unofficila names for Obama's bus tour.

http://tinyurl.com/k9ejmnt

This is also funny but in a darker way.  Stephen Fry won't argue with religious dicks.


http://tinyurl.com/jwyw4rl

227

Heh, deep dish pizza.  I went to one place in Chicago, wish desperately I could remember the name, where the pizza had one solid layer of italian sausage on it.  Not pieces...it was a 10" patty of sausage on top of the sauce, cheese, with more cheese  on it, and then the rest of the toppings.

 

It was quite good.

 

228

Former Enron advisor Paul Krugman thinks the only way an economy prospers is by manufacturing. In his world Google doesn't contribute any economic value because it doesn't have factories with unionized hourly workers.

 

We'd be far better off with less fluctuations in our economy if we went back to our former manufacturing base. Making things for people is always  a good way to keep an economy moving. I  say  this from my first-hand experience in manufacturing for over 30 years.

 

 

When the  idiotic decision   was made to move us to a service oriented economy by the Cliton administration, we have suffered needlessly. Manufacturing offers many opportunities for both skilled and unskilled labor, from engineers to machinists to painters, welders and truckers.

 

We are considerably  worse off  as a result of abandoning manufacturing. Think of how well  our economy would be if we made our own products  instead of having China do it.

229 Just two more than the 1950s: microwaves and delivery. Canned foods were invented in the 19th century. Boxed and frozen foods before WWII. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ is at work and needs a beer at August 23, 2013 12:34 PM (/kI1Q) _______________ Not sure what your point is. Access to information is my point. We have access to virtually every piece of data ever produced. Krugman thinks this isn't significant. Do you agree?

230
Gino's East in Chicago is damn good pie.

No. It's a disgusting casserole.
Posted by: garrett a




Bowl of pizza soup....

231 I have access to 1000 ways to prepare that dinner which I didn't have back in the "good old days". One of the old ways to speed up dinner was to take off your belt and beat the woman if supper wasn't ready when the old man walks in.

232 Rush brought up the fact that ppl put a petition for the SCOAMF to act on Affleck as Batman, hehe.


Do you remember during the 2008 election season, there were at least three different town halls where someone in the audience got the mic and attempted to ask TFG for something?  Money, job, a car, whatever.

The first I remember was a black woman who said she needed reliable transportation and brazenly asked him if he could help her get a car because she was homeless and was living out of her brokedown car.  Some wealthy woman, a Republican it turned out, in the audience pretty much set her up in a vacant home and gave her use of a car.

The second was a young man named Julio, who was so jazzed that he had the opportunity to speak with TFG that he asked him to find him a job as a radio DJ.  He got hired by some station looking for a "stupid human tricks" toady for their show.

After that, it seemed that anyone's prayers could be answered if they got to the microphone and so it was like a mad rush to the mic stand.


Commenter George Orwell wrote something about the Julio person that I will always remember.

233 I think you missed the point. Clicking a button to read Wikipedia doesn't get dinner made any faster/easier.

Many supposed technological "advances" have made people more dependent and less independent too.

ex. many new cars are essentially "bricked" when the battery dies and kills their onboard electronics.  You can't just buy another battery and pop it in like in years past -- the shit's gotta be towed to a dealer for a special reset procedure on the onboard electronics.

Tech should be liberating, not a trap

234 It's all good, why can't we judge a pizza on the content of it's ingrediants, not the shape of it's crusts.
---------------------

A pizza is a terrible thing to waste.

235

ALL WE ARE SAYIN, IS GIVE PIZZA CHANCE.

 

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 23, 2013 12:33 PM (XIxXP)

 

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And if you don't like pizza...VISUALIZE WHIRLED PEAS.

236 As I posted yesterday, think about who would benefit from a chemical attack. Certainly not Assad who has been told by the West that use of chemical weapons would solicit intervention. That is the only thing that could defeat Assad is the West's intervention as in Libya. The rebels are losing and want the West to intervene. How do you accomplish that? Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2013 12:30 PM (m2CN7) ************ Damn good point. The only thing I might say is--look to the past. A bunch of Assad's "scientists" were killed when they were trying to arm a Scud missile with mustard gas. So he has it. And the jackass is crazy enough to try that. They also had a radioactive accident in Syria and in North Korea when they went on a "shopping trip". --btw that gets to the point that he was thinking of using it outside his own play box. Also he has Air Power which the rebels to do not have--so as someone argued upthread-- "arming both sides" --is a weird argument Assad has a huge advantage. But yes--the ME and the Arab world have lost credibility--they have earned that. One thing though-- a good time--a great window of opportunity to act out--is to do it when Washington DC is on vacation. So there is a good lesson for the terrorists to learn.

237 228. Hmmmm Gino's east fully loaded or Kate Upton Hard choice

238 As a general rule of thumb, chain pizza is sucky. Some are less sucky than others, but sucky nonetheless.

239 It's all good, why can't we judge a pizza on the content of it's ingrediants

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/335807.php

240   Just two more than the 1950s: microwaves and delivery. Canned foods were invented in the 19th century. Boxed and frozen foods before WWII. 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ is at work and needs a beer at August 23, 2013 12:34 PM (/kI1Q)

When did personal freezers become common?  

241 Nothing is ever as it seems... Posted by: Purp at August 23, 2013 11:59 AM "In war, truth is the first casualty" - Aeschylus Posted by: kbdabear Allah/s fair in love and war?

242 They put UNCOOKED meat in their casseroles.  That's fucked up.

243 Posted by: buzzion at August 23, 2013 12:25 PM (LI48c) Never had anything like that happen to us, except the first time we ordered- and then we were a brand new neighborhood (not even on the maps yet), and the delivery driver's cellphone died as he was trying to call us for directions. At least he *did* apologize. And I think we got free pizza out of it. And Pizza Hut is good, but none of them in my area will deliver to me. Which is pathetic, because the one closest to me would take a total of about 20 minutes to *walk to.* Dominoes is just nasty, and don't get me started on Mr. Jim's.

244 Tech should be liberating, not a trap
Posted by: Purp
-------------------------

Collaterally, enlightening, rather than debilitating.
Hold it...., aren't I supposed to be out cutting wood?

245 Giordino's deep dish pizza.

246 As the saying goes, the IT revolution shows up everywhere except the productivity statistics. It's just not nearly as transformative as electricity, the car, industrial revolution, etc. Big effect of IT revolution is to concentrate wealth. Also helps with assortative mating so the upper class can actually become a separate class genetically, no icky lower class genes. IT revolution is great. Better than not having it. Hopefully all the promises it made come true one day. Until then we can all play Angry Birds.

247

Hard choice

 

 

For a guy from Boystown, maybe.

248 Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told Marines in Hawaii Thursday that despite deep budget and force cuts, the U.S. military will remain the world’s best, and argued the cuts will enable the military to “come out stronger than we went in”: OK hey obama/hagel, if cuts make you stronger, lets cut welfare, the EPA, the IRS, obamacare, and the rest of liberal wet dreams. To make them stronger i mean

249   Not sure what your point is. Access to information is my point. We have access to virtually every piece of data ever produced. Krugman thinks this isn't significant. Do you agree? 

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 23, 2013 12:36 PM (HDgX3)


No need to thank me.  

250 You can't ever dust a Pizza Stone with flour, etc. or you'll ruin it.

251 177 That is so unfair. And so damn effective. Posted by: rickb223 at August 23, 2013 12:21 PM (t+DWU) Don't forget the speeding tickets averted with the pop of a button and the wink of an eye Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 23, 2013 12:22 PM (XIxXP) --- For some reason, I have never had a speeding ticket in Maryland. I speed every time I'm in a non-residential area. I've been stopped plenty of times; police here are reluctant to ticket you unless you already have a first offense. So I just keep speeding, and being given warnings. And before you pull out the "but, boobs!" line, the past two stops have been female officers. One did comment on the "Avenge Me" Reagan bumper sticker, but not on my boobs.

252

@251

 

Agreed. Besides DiGiorno is the Ben Affleck of the frozen pizza world. Sounds good on paper, results lacking.

253 Access to information is my point. We have access to virtually every piece of data ever produced.

And in 99% of the populace a profound inability to do anything useful with it at all.

All of this information access should have made people more independent in their daily lives, but they're more dependent on others than ever.

254 What a waste it is to lose one's crust, ... or that have no crust ... is a waste.

255 Man-- all y'all got crappy taste in pizza.

256 Rush brought up the fact that ppl put a petition for the SCOAMF to act on Affleck as Batman, hehe.


Stupid.  Under the Living Breathing Constitution, control of movie casting decisions is supposed to be left to Congress.

257 And before you pull out the "but, boobs!" line, the past two stops have been female officers. One did comment on the "Avenge Me" Reagan bumper sticker, but not on my boobs.


Soon.

258 Just two more than the 1950s: microwaves ... ? As for microwave ovens, regardless of when they were invented, they sure as hell weren't on the mass market ("affordable" costing hundreds of bucks) until 1980ish.

259 ex. many new cars are essentially "bricked" when the battery dies and kills their onboard electronics. You can't just buy another battery and pop it in like in years past -- the shit's gotta be towed to a dealer for a special reset procedure on the onboard electronics. Tech should be liberating, not a trap Posted by: Purp at August 23, 2013 12:36 PM (VZSHr) ________________ That's a bit like saying you shouldn't fly because your plane might crash. How many people get stuck on the side of the road needing a reset? 1 in 1000 maybe? The benefits gained by the other 999 far outweigh the bad shit. No technology is perfect. But overall the pros far outweigh the cons of an ever advancing ethnological world. If nothing else, think of the advances in medicine over the past 50 years that have saved millions of lives and made living with diseases manageable for millions as well.

260 Hagel is such a stupid tool.  Obviously his thinking is being done by his teleprompter.

261

You can't ever dust a Pizza Stone with flour, etc. or you'll ruin it.

 

 

You just need to Brush, Scrape, Mop, Brush, and Mop it again.  But it will fill up the pores in the stone and start to burning your crusts.

262 In case you never had this in school, here is Wilfred Owen's poem which describes a bombardment with what sounds like shells filled with phosgene.


"Dulce et Decorum Est "
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys! -- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under I green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, --
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

263 Totinos make a pretty good frozen pizza. Cheap too. My mom went to school with Jean Totino in NE Mpls in the 40's, when the Totinos only had a Pizza Parlor. They have grown their business rather nicely.

I might have starved to death in college if not for the Totinos Party Pizzas.  Back then you could find them on sale ridiculously cheap.

I'm not sure I'd call them good though.

264 Collaterally, enlightening, rather than debilitating. Hold it...., aren't I supposed to be out cutting wood? There's an app for that.

265 Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told Marines in Hawaii Thursday that despite deep budget and force cuts, the U.S. military will remain the world’s best, and argued the cuts will enable the military to “come out stronger than we went in”:


The USMC will be reduced to formation marching and the Silent Drill team. 

We're #1!!!

266   And Pizza Hut is good, but none of them in my area will deliver to me. Which is pathetic, because the one closest to me would take a total of about 20 minutes to *walk to.*  Dominoes is just nasty, and don't get me started on Mr. Jim's. 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 23, 2013 12:38 PM (/PCJa)

Pizza Hut is tasty, but I prefer pizza to have more sauce.  

When's the last time you had Domino's?    They were really nasty when I had one about 3.5 years ago, but I rate them higher than LC after they reformulated.   (And I love LC - good value, though the local one doesn't make them crispy enough for my taste)  

267

Best chain pizza I've had is Poppa John's.

 

Mmmm that garlic butter stuff with the breadsticks is awesome.

268 Agreed. Besides DiGiorno is the Ben Affleck of the frozen pizza world. Sounds good on paper, results lacking. Posted by: Jollyroger sounds good on paper tastes like cardboard

269 Why do you people keep doing this to me?!!?

Posted by: USB Port at August 23, 2013 12:16 PM (oY6Yp)

 

Welcome to  the club.

270 That's what we learned the hard way with our pizza stone.

271 "It is fitting and proper to die for the fatherland."

272 256. Dude, pizza with an inch of cheese ONE INCH OF CHEESE

273

259 You can't ever dust a Pizza Stone with flour, etc. or you'll ruin it.

 

Good to know.

I didn't do that...so it's still a mystery to me why I can't get decent results with the one I have.

 

274 The majesty of the world's data at your fingertips is meaningless to the stupid and lazy. Or the rigidly dogmatic. Most people still support the minimum wage. Our richest, most powerful cities still support rent control. These are known stupid ideas. These are econ 101 concepts.

275   And before you pull out the "but, boobs!" line, the past two stops have been female officers. One did comment on the "Avenge Me" Reagan bumper sticker, but not on my boobs. 

Posted by: Gingy at August 23, 2013 12:39 PM (aH+zP)


That fails to disprove the existence of a vast Boob Sisterhood Conspiracy.   

276 You bastards. Going to Aldi's for pizza... Unless hubby wants to make it on the grill. In which case (since I am lazy) it will be to Trader Joe's for a crust.

277 Democracy, rule of law and free enterprise were no accidents.

278 Hagel is such a stupid tool. Obviously his thinking is being done by his teleprompter. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 23, 2013 12:41 PM (0EcBv) The man looks like he's doing the thorzine shuffle every time I see him.

279 The benefits gained by the other 999 far outweigh the bad shit.

Describe some of the "advantages" of having a car's electronics be brickable by an ordinary  dead battery.

Please be specific.  I'm willing to listen if you have a reasonable argument.

I'll actually settle for even just one

280 203 Totinos make a pretty good frozen pizza. Cheap too. My mom went to school with Jean Totino in NE Mpls in the 40's, when the Totinos only had a Pizza Parlor. They have grown their business rather nicely.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 23, 2013 12:28 PM (32Ze2)

I buy those small Totino's Pizzas and add extra pepperoni to it.

281 You bastards. Going to Aldi's for pizza...


It's good!  Get the plain cheese one and then put your own toppings on it.

282 When's the last time you had Domino's? Six or eight months? Maybe a year or so? It was after they reformulated (which I know was even farther back than that), and it was still the 2nd worst pizza I'd ever put in my mouth (see also: don't get me started on Mr. Jim's).

283 And in 99% of the populace a profound inability to do anything useful with it at all. All of this information access should have made people more independent in their daily lives, but they're more dependent on others than ever. Posted by: Purp at August 23, 2013 12:40 PM (VZSHr) _________ Information access = efficiency. Take an obvious case...booking a flight. You as a consumer have access to fares. You make the most efficient choice. In minutes. Compare this to pre-internet. You'd have to call airlines and ask for a price. Or a travel agent. No big deal you say that only saves me 10 minutes once a year when I fly. Yes. But multiply that 10 minutes by hundreds of millions of flights taken every year in the world. That's what access to information does.

284

Dude, pizza with an inch of cheese

 

 

Again, this is wrong.  So wrong.  and they put the fucking cheese UNDER the sauce!?  

Why?   Why would you waste perfectly good cheese like that?

285 It seems that the Blip article is lamenting that you can only go to Heaven once. And while the king and his class may not double his standard of living in a generation, the poor will always be among us. The king may be unfulfilled by his birth claim to a divine relationship with God, but there will always be sinners striving to get into Heaven. There will always be the poor striving to obtain a better quality of life. Of course, if the king laments having already attained heavenly status and remains unfulfilled, he may create another Heaven another god - perhaps that's why it often appears royalty lives in an alternate universe. The poor, ordinary man tries to split from the world and get into Heaven. The kings and royal class try to get Heaven on Earth and succeed only in splitting our world.

286 Dominoes is just nasty, and don't get me started on Mr. Jim's.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 23, 2013 12:38 PM (/PCJa)

 

I consider it serviceable.  And they have a pizza tracker on their site so I know when its being made and how soon it will be here.  They are also open later than Pizza Hut.  I can still get pizza delivered by them when I get home from work at close to midnight.

287 I read a discussion on a gun-oriented bulletin board several years ago about stray pets in rural settings--there was supposedly an uptick in people's abandoning pets in the country because of the bad economy. The consensus among farmers is to shoot unrecognized stray dogs on sight. As a non-rural type, I somewhat recoiled at the idea, but the reasons behind such a policy make perfect sense.   Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 23, 2013 12:34 PM (V3kRK)


In the 90s, there used to be a guy who called into Rush who discussed making tacos out of unwanted kittens and puppies dumped near his ranch.  It was done to make a point--unwanted animals grow up to be a danger, so eat them when they are young and tender.

My ex BIL is a farmer in Southern Illinois and he shoots dumped dogs and cats on sight.  His rationale is "Why should I get rabies from an unwanted animal?"

288 Compare this to pre-internet

FYI - Saber existed pre internet

289 What I *need* to do is get my family prepped for such a disaster. Store food and water, make sure we have plenty of blankets, etc.

LDS Church has advised its members to have one year food storage for your family for decades.  Nice thing is it's useful for several types of disasters.

Lost your job?  Check.
Basic transportation shutdown? Check.
Famines and plagues? Check.
Society shuts down? Check.  (if you add in some weapons)

290 No big deal you say that only saves me 10 minutes once a year when I fly. Yes. But multiply that 10 minutes by hundreds of millions of flights taken every year in the world. And if you're one of those people who travels a lot (say, for business) it saves you 10 minutes roughly every week (and sometimes even more often than that).

291 I find the deliciousness of most Pizza is directly proportional to the consumers BAC.

292 First mass marketed frozen pizzas were like totinos crap. And like the early tv dinners, they were awful, but that didn't prevent people from buying and eating them in regular quantities each week. Back in the '60s, the pizza hut was a novelty in the Southwest. Good pizza was still something to discover when you visited Chicago or NYC on vacation. By the 70's, good pizza shops were springing up everywhere out West permeating "flyover" east of CA.

293 260. I was in the car once when my wife's boobs got her out of a speeding ticket I was offended how easy tits work

294 Soon.

295 I buy those small Totino's Pizzas and add extra pepperoni to it.

Posted by: Vic at August 23, 2013 12:45 PM (lZvxr)

---------------------------

Food Lion had a special on them.  Sold them for a dollar a pie.  I bought 20 of them.  I, as well, will add sausage and onion and Green Olives with extra cheese.  Yum

296 Good to know. I didn't do that...so it's still a mystery to me why I can't get decent results with the one I have. Stone not hot enough? I use a cast iron one from Lodge. I let it pre-heat in the oven. Crust is always crispy.

297

I didn't do that...so it's still a mystery to me why I can't get decent results with the one I have. 

 

 

You need to heat it up for at least 30 minutes once the oven comes up to temp. 

 Oven Temp should be maxed out.   For best results, get a second stone to move it to in order  to finish it at the proper temp.  Stones small enough to fit in your oven lose their heat fast.   Having two is the best way to get good results.

298 129: Also, blood agents are much more stable for battlefield use. They store better, last longer and retain more potency. But a gas mask is all the protection you need from them, which is why everyone is so frightened of nerve agents.

the down side to blood agents, such as AC (hydrogen cyanide) is that they rapidly overwhelm & break down the filters in your pro mask  (at least in the M-17- not sure if the newer filters for the M-40 series have fixed that) so that either the AC gets you or the nerve agent (G/V) or the blister (H/HD) or a choking agent such as phosgene (CG) that is used in conjunction with the AC.

so many ways to die. :-)

299 @  160

   " the president is just down the road"

   Where are you?  Vestal? 

    Is the Parkway shut off? Or the Flyover?

300 All of this information access should have made people more independent in their daily lives, but they're more dependent on others than ever.
Posted by: Purp
--------------------

Yes. For instance, I would not toss my Encyclopedia Britannica for anything.

Not one person in 10,000 appreciates how fragile the internet is, and yet if it were cut off tomorrow, the system would collapse.

301

Temps should be above 500.  Well above that for a proper Pizza Oven.  

 

Most home ovens won't get much higher than 525... 

302 A pack of hungry feral dogs with no fear of humans, that my dear friends is what humanity transforms into all to easily.

303 I was offended how easy tits work


They just do.

304 Chain pizza is fine. Most of the taste difference on status-based.

305 If 10 minutes a year is important to you, I think there's a lot better ways to get that time back...like not wasting time reading blogs

306 Anthony's Coal-fired Pizza

307 All of this information access should have made people more independent in their daily lives, but they're more dependent on others than ever.
Posted by: Purp at August 23, 2013 12:40 PM (VZSHr)
  _________ 

Information access = efficiency. 
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 23, 2013 12:46 PM (HDgX3)


Efficiency and dependence are related.   Self-sufficiency (independence) implies redundancy and less specialization, which is less efficient.

I do think we are about to find out if society can over-specialize - we've created know-nothings who are quite willing to tear down the system that provides the neat things they enjoy - do they learn and lay it off, or do we go into some sort of Dark Age?

308 so many ways to die. :-)
Posted by: redc1c4
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Cripes. The lab next door to mine had a cylinder of phosgene stored there. Used to give me the willies.

309

Posted by: wheatie at August 23, 2013 12:43 PM (el7k2)

 

On Homemade Pizza Night I heat up my oven rocket hot, like 500 degrees, with the stone in there.  I then use a pizza peel and transfer the pizza onto the stone and let it bake for a few minutes. 

 

 

310 My ex BIL is a farmer in Southern Illinois and he shoots dumped dogs and cats on sight. His rationale is "Why should I get rabies from an unwanted animal?" A friend's dad had a standing SOS order. Dumped dogs "pack up" and would run his calves to death.

311 Most home ovens won't get much higher than 525... No shit. I got signed up to make cookies for an office party about twenty years ago. I needed to make two dozen, but the recipe I had made only twelve. A coworker told me that it wasn't a problem because I could just double the recipe. I bought all the shit and started making the dough before I realized that my oven didn't go to seven-hundred degrees.

312 Hey Fi, has anyone ever asked Siri how an internal combustion engine works?

313 317. You know what goes great with pizza? Da BEARS winning!! Bear down!!!

314 and less specialization, which is less efficient.

Specialization is for insects

315

garrett at August 23, 2013 12:49 PM (ipDeW)

 

Good advice.

 

Another thought - instead of paying $30 for a fancy pizza stone, one could go to Lowe's/Home Depot and get stone tiles for a fraction of that price and line the bottom of the oven with them.

316 Oh hey, new thread up. 

317

305...Stone not hot enough? I use a cast iron one from Lodge. I let it pre-heat in the oven. Crust is always crispy.

 

The problem I've had is...too crispy/dried out.

By the time the top of the pizza is done, the crust is too dark and overcooked.

 

I tried decreasing the temp a bit...and then turning the broiler on for a couple of minutes, before taking it out, to cook the top.

That worked a little better.

But it was a pain in the butt to have to hover over it like that.

 

 

 

318 Good to know.
I didn't do that...so it's still a mystery to me why I can't get decent results with the one I have.

Posted by: wheatie at August 23, 2013 12:43 PM (el7k2)

Have you tried moving the rack up or down in the oven? Made a difference for mine.

319 Heard on the radio that due to sequestration AF Band is cancelling Christmas concerts. Story is pitched as awww but come on, if you are going to cut military spending, that is where you should do it.

320 The gains from the internet are often surprisingly marginal. Especially compared with past tech improvements.

321 If 10 minutes a year is important to you, I think there's a lot better ways to get that time back...like not wasting time reading blogs But it's not "10 minutes a year." (which indicates it being stretched out over the year). It's 10 minutes *right now.* And that's just one example. Are people doing stupid things with technology? Yes. Is that new? Not particularly (see also: alchemy). What technology enables is huge, though. My current client is a multi-million dollar retailer. For them to finish reconciling one day's worth of sales would take days if not weeks without modern technology. Stores would have to balance their own ledgers, those would then have to be sent (probably via courier) to the home-office, where they would be reconciled again and added to the General Ledger, and so forth. With modern technology that entire process takes a couple of hours. Walmart would not be possible without modern technology (well- Walmart being as ubiquitous as it is). I, for one, like the lower prices and greater convenience enabled by the internet.

322

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 23, 2013 12:54 PM (F3IIA)

 

 

Unless one has a baking coil hanging out in the bottom of their oven...they sell pizza 'tiles' at most restaurant supply houses that work well for this application.   Though, occasionally you will need to remove these to clean out the oven.

323 Sunny Egypt This conservative woman has a dry, sarcastic take on things which can be amusing. I don't know what's up with the silliness about the wig, but her "interview" with Hagel is good: http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=199755

324 321 Hey Fi, has anyone ever asked Siri how an internal combustion engine works? 
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 23, 2013 12:53 PM (0EcBv)


If you need to know, there is high likelihood by that time:  "no signal".  

325

Have you tried moving the rack up or down in the oven?

 

 

This is good advice, Ladies.   When making Pizza it's best to turn on your webcams and to  keep those racks moving!

326
Cripes. The lab next door to mine had a cylinder of phosgene stored there. Used to give me the willies.
Posted by: Mike Hammer




Try growing up living next to the tracks in the era of frequent chlorine gas tanker derailments.

That'll focus your attention.

327 268 ---"If nothing else, think of the advances in medicine over the past 50 years that have saved millions of lives and made living with diseases manageable for millions as well." Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 23, 2013 12:41 PM (HDgX3) ------------------- There have been improvements in the last 50 years that have had a marginal effect on wellness but there has been nothing to compare remotely with vaccination, antibiotics, surgical anesthesia, and modern anti-septic practice. Advances in public hygiene alone, all dating from well before 1950, account for most of the rise in life expectancy.

328 I, for one, like the lower prices and greater convenience enabled by the internet.

...rampant identity theft and fraud not so much though

329 Security people talk about attack "exposure surfaces" when it comes to potential threats/risks.

The internet, while it has some good things, is one gigantic open sore of attack exposure surfaces.

330 @235 Lou Malnati's has the slab o' sausage

331 This is good advice, Ladies. When making Pizza it's best to turn on your webcams and to keep those racks moving!

Posted by: garrett at August 23, 2013 12:58 PM (ipDeW)

Yeah, and I hit post anyway. Must be my day to be the straight-man.

332 Advances in public hygiene alone, all dating from well before 1950, account for most of the rise in life expectancy.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 23, 2013 01:00 PM (C8mVl)

Most of the rise in life expectancy is due to fewer baby and childhood deaths.  The actual age at which people die has only increased by 5 years since the 30s.

333 For all the medical advances, medicine is still in the dark ages.

334 In the few photos/videos of the possible chemical attack in Syria, I have been amazed at the handling of the bodies and their sloshing around in their clothes and walking barefoot in the water, etc. No hazmat in sight, and (with exception of above video) no one covering faces or gloves. This said knowing they probably are not prepared for hazmat with equipment...but still odd. I remembered the sarin gas attack in Japan (1995) and looked it up. I do not think the gas in Syria was sarin, as people were handling the bodies from the beginning, from what the videos represented, and the description of the deaths look far different from the bodies shown. Mustard gas is a blistering agent. So, scratch than one.

I am very skeptical, and do not trust anyone at this point. Here is a quote from the news of Japan subway:
"Sarin was first created in Nazi Germany. The volatile nerve agent is 500 times more toxic than cyanide: A single pinhead-size drop can kill an adult. The Matsumoto sarin attack killed seven people and injured 500, of whom 200 were admitted to hospitals at least overnight.

Despite all that, Aum Shinrikyo managed to pull off its most audacious — and deadly — attack just nine months later. In the Monday morning rush hour of March 20, five cult members boarded different subway trains converging on central Tokyo.

Four of them each carried two plastic bags loaded with sarin, and the fifth had three bags. At nearly the same moment, they each dropped the bags to the floor of the jam-packed train and punctured them with a specially sharpened umbrella tip. The cultists then quickly stepped off the trains as they pulled into the next station. Getaway drivers were waiting outside the station for each of them.

The liquid began vaporizing, and people began getting sick. Some of them got off the trains at subsequent stations, stumbling onto the platforms. At each stop, more gas spread, and more liquid was tracked off the trains and into the stations. The deadly sarin vapor also clung to the clothes and bodies of its victims, sickening those who rushed to their aid.

Some of the trains continued traveling — one for an hour and 40 minutes — before finally stopping to deal with the emergency ... and stop spreading it. Emergency and hospital services later got heavily criticized for the uncoordinated response.

Symptoms included bleeding from the nose and mouth, coma, convulsions, difficulty breathing, extreme sensitivity to light, flulike symptoms, foaming at the mouth, fevers, loss of consciousness, loss of memory, loss of vision, nausea, vomiting, paralysis, respiratory problems, seizures and uncontrollable trembling. Some survivors suffered these problems permanently, along with disturbed sleep, nightmares and post-traumatic stress disorder.

Many victims with initially mild symptoms went to work before sickening later and going to the hospital. Others probably never sought medical care. Estimates of the injured range from 3,800 up to 6,000. The sarin killed 12 people."

http://tinyurl.com/c6q6jl

What were the chemical weapons found in Iraq?

"Chemical weapons are divided into the categories of "persistent" agents, which wreak damage for hours, such as blistering agents or the oily VX nerve agent, and "nonpersistent" ones, which dissipate quickly, such as chlorine gas or sarin nerve gas.

Iraqi forces under Hussein used chemical agents both on enemy forces in the 1980s war with Iran and on Iraqi Kurdish villagers in 1988. Traces of a variety of killing agents -- mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX -- were detected by investigators after the 1988 attack"

http://tinyurl.com/775wv

From UK Independent today:

"Syria is thought to have some of the world's largest stocks of chemical weapons, including mustard gas and the nerve agent sarin, but the government in Damascus refuses to confirm it."

Remember those planes that had seats out and left, but were detected by radar, from Iraq to Syria. Yeah, that stuff.  While nothing surprises me, it is either a fake or the photos show poisoning by VX or something else..but VX causes pinpoint pupils and these patients arrived with "dilated pupils and foaming at mouth."

Link below shows chart of chem weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/l7jxgds

335 I was in the car once when my wife's boobs got her out of a speeding ticket
I was offended how easy tits work

Posted by: Navycopjoe at August 23, 2013 12:48 PM (08XBV)

Like they never won her an argument with you, right?

336 "Interesting. My gut feeling when first watching the video was - buncha people sleeping? Then my mind said, the article says these are victims and they are supposed to be dead, and so changed my attitude."
Posted by: ConservativeMonster

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I've found my gut feelings and eyesight to be more reliable than MSM reporting.

337 P.S. Chlorine gas causes pulmonary edema...which would explain the frothing of the mouth and the Syrians just washing off the bodies. Keep reading "nerve agent" however. Have not the time nor desire to bring NSA to my house to keep researching..but, right now, I think if it was chem gas it was chorine and not nerve agent. That is best guess from the Redneck Queen.

That said, I want no ground troops. I want no more money given to these barbarians. Let them reduce their numbers accordingly. I feel badly for the children and innocents, but not bad enough to want our troops there, or so Baroque can look manly and tough.

338 nerve agents inhibit acetylcholinesterase resulting in excess acetylcholine. homie in the video looks as though he could have come in contact with GB or GD probably not VX. if only they had the atropine / 2PamCloride auto injectors... During Desert Storm, my helicopter units radio call for bringing chemical casualties back was "hot bass" the dude laying prostrate and gasping for air was close to the visual we had when we identified that as the call.

339 as i, and others, said above, if it was a nerve agent, you should have seen casualties amongst the "rescuers"... sarin & other G family agents are non-persistent, but only in relative terms.  they should be a danger for at least a few days, which would preclude unprotected rescuers from retrieving/handling victims.

hence my suspicion of AC,  CG, or maybe just a garden variety industrial chemical.  phosgene is also persistent and doesn't readily breakdown, so it too would be likely to drop rescuers, which makes it a less likely suspect than AC or some other chemical, ala Bophal.

however, all this is on my part is a semi-educated guess based on open source information and what you can see on the various videos.

340 From the heart... Acquire a copy of Lazarus by Andre "The French Hemingway" Malraux and read there the super-humanly moving story he tells of the very first use of gas in WW I. Nothing else can do as much so quickly to make you conprehend the horror of chemical warfare.

341 I'm shocked that nobody has noticed that that bug-eyed liar Ryan Braun was in the BBC video (he even wore his jersey) and undoubtedly had a role in the gas attack. Somebody should tell Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that the Joooos were behind this!