1 First!

2 Keep it up, Dr. Carson!

3 Awesome, ace is back! Welcome back and congratulations. I hope you got laid with a girl.

4 If he can get over his gun fear, we might have something here.

5
1. check
2. check
3. check
4. check
5. Profits!

6 I think I mentioned this before, but Carson was mentioned off-handedly in a Season 4 episode of The Wire (back in 2006).  I didn't even remember it from the previous times I'd watched it.  A show made by liberals, no less . . .

7 But would he be "electable"???

8 He'll evolve on guns once he has some legislative experience and the activist kick his ass on it a little.

9 I wrote about Step One over at Breitbart, though it's stuff you've read before. I thought they wanted the ace commenters over there...

10 There may be some other "must do" items, but these are sure part of it. As bad as Hilary, Algore, or Kerry would have been, they could not possibly have been worse than Obama. Sadly, he seems to practice these as policy, they aren't just ugly  by-products of his ideology.

11 2. Encourage a culture of ridicule for basic moral principles. And get the GOP to join in, turning off millions of GOP voters and ensuring that the GOP will never win another election. Not to bring up old threads, I agree that we need to focus on the economy, but if the GOP caves on SSM and abortion, I will not support the party.

12 I see the left is already quoting Carson on his considering Obama and family a pretty good thing. Hey! Hypocrite!

In January 2009.

Unlike the left, some people recognize the smell of shit.
Some just sooner than others.

13 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

14 Ace, one problem with your summary ("The goal was still the same -- undermine the state to such an extent that a revolution was inevitable -- but now the method turned to ginning up hatred and envy between different cultural cohorts along gender and racial lines.") is of course that now the goal is to strengthen the state, rather than undermine it, and take the wheel for good.

I'm guessing it's about the "source material," rather than your summary per se, being wrong.

15 Congrats on your award and genius acceptance speech, ace!

16 Yeah, but Ben Carson is the idiot.  He's just a brain surgeon for babies.  What does he know??  WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE???  eleventy.

17 3 years until primary season. I like Dr. Carson quite a bit. I hope he runs just as I hope Ted Cruz and Rand Paul run. The more of them in the primary the fewer Romneys and Huntsmans there will be (I hope).

18 He wants EVERYONE to have skin in the game, and he has the moral authority of being raised poor by a single black mother. (not rich white grandparents) He doesn't necessarily need to be president. He just needs to keep saying "Being president isn't brain surgery."

19 He'll evolve on guns once he has some legislative experience and the activist kick his ass on it a little.

FLIP FLOPPER!!

20 Over the last couple of years, I have arrived at an empirical realization. A convenient and simple rule of thumb. It is this:

If someone talks a good game about what sound like conservative values, but they are a fan of gun control, that means all the rest of their line of patter is just hollow hooey. In the crunch, they'll fold and go from solid to squishy. They can not be trusted.

This simple heuristic would have spared us endless grief with various McCains, Romneys, Christies and what have you.

Carson fails this test. Sorry.

Next?

21 I wonder under what nom de blog Carson comments at AoSHQ.

22

Missed a few....

 

Make saving money a net LOSS to your retirement, by forcing interest rates to be lower than inflation.

 

Make energy costs artificialy high by a combination of forced investment in non cost effective energy production methods (solar, wind), while driving up the production costs of all other methods of production.

 

Create a system whereby we have the unequal Application of the Law, via Executive order and 'Prosecutorial Discretion', while limiting redress of wrongs, thus striking at the very base of a Republic, the idea that the Rule of Law is Supreme.

23 Huntsman is a crazy manchurian candidate looking whiny bitch.

24 Step 5.  Have John Boehner as speaker of the House.

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Speaker John Boehner says he "absolutely" trusts President Barack Obama"

Linked on Drudge.

25 21 I wonder under what nom de blog Carson comments at AoSHQ. Posted by: USA at March 18, 2013 02:21 PM (RIg+t) Mary Cloggenstein???

26 "It appears, coincidentally, that those are the very things happening right now," Carson noted ruefully, although he went on to say it would be a mistake to pin this entirely on Barack Obama, or any other individual.


I blame Satan and his minion, Mooch.

27 11 Not to bring up old threads, I agree that we need to focus on the economy, but if the GOP caves on SSM and abortion, I will not support the party.

Look no farther than CA to see how well that squishy R thing has worked out for us.

Unfortunately, Rove and the RINO's (a terrible name for a band) are making it so they're the first battle to fight.

28 Can they sue him for having an unauthorized copy of their playbook?

29

5. Ignore the Constitution along with any and all court orders.

 

 

30 I don't know that we can blame Obama except as the current representation of those 4 steps. We have to go back (at least) to FDR, and Obama wasn't around then. Unless The Bible has it right, and Obama is Satan.

31 And no on in the GOP appears capable of explaining how wrong creating, agitating for, and fostering division is. Then again, people tend to be selfish and may not care as long as those rich people are being punished and they are promised some imaginary benefits that come from punishing the rich.

32

 

Yeah, it was good that Carson said this...even though it was covered in that video "If I Wanted America To Fail".

 

Can't be said enough.

That video is kinda old now, and too many people didn't see it in the first place.

 

33 Obama is very efficient. He doesn't need a twelve step program, only four.

34 28 Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 18, 2013 02:22 PM (Qxdfp) I gave up on the GOP long ago. I now donate to candidates directly. If we can somehow get the Sheldon Adelsons and Koch Brothers' out there to do the same, we can neutralize Rove and establishment.

35 He'll make a fine VP pick for president Palin

36

Step one:  Hire Mitt Romney's ad people

 

No just kidding.

 

1.  Create division among people

 

 

You are on your way ace.  Just 3 more steps and you're there.

 

I know you are kidding.  But the attempts to create a division among the Right  by  people on the right  after Romney was nominated  was more responsible for the loss than Romney's ad people.

 

 

 

37 Let's hope that if Dr. Carson decides to run for office, he doesn't hire some of the consultants like that big, fat, nasty, greasy, fat, stank, bloated, cheesy-backed, 12-sandwich-eatin' bastard Rove.

38 24 Step 5. Have John Boehner as speaker of the House. "WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Speaker John Boehner says he "absolutely" trusts President Barack Obama" Linked on Drudge. Posted by: WalrusRex at March 18, 2013 02:21 PM (XUKZU) *facepalm* And I must add the obligatory, "Dr. Carson is a racist." As is everyone commenting here.

39 How to make the sun rise in four easy steps.

40 cut the gordian know for the moonbats Ace taken 'em up on the challenge...

"you want America destroyed, here I'll fire the first shot...."

Solomnic wisdom is called for bud...

41 Dont look at me.

42 Carson fails this test. Sorry.

Next?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2013 02:21 PM (gqT4g)

 

 

You are correct sir!

43

Damn  white  socks.  

44 The more of them in the primary the fewer Romneys and Huntsmans there will be (I hope).


您是笨蛋

45 I think there is another step, and that is an explosion of regulation and moving away from general clarity in the law.  This does two things.  1.  It gives lawyers more work.  Really.  These guys are almost all lawyers and they're always looking for ways to throw themselves some more work/money.  2.  It allows an easier path to controlling the population by making the average person legally in hoc to the state due to frequent legal infractions they cannot help but do.

46 Posted by: Satan

You filled out your brackets yet?

47 But the attempts to create a division among the Right by people on the right after Romney was nominated was more responsible for the loss than Romney's ad people. You know, by-and-large, I didn't see that. I know DrewM was a die-hard "Romney Sucks!" guy for pretty well the whole campaign, but the vast majority of anti-Romney voices said (at worst), "Okay, let's make the best of this" after he won the nomination. But even if it were true- doesn't some small amount of the blame fall on Romney for not securing his base? Just a little?

48 35 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 02:23 PM (XkWWK)

I tell 'em so every time they call. I too haven't given to the GOP since I can't remember when. My wife had a rather long discussion with a GOP caller back in September - and the guy actually hung on and sounded interested. How much was pandering or actual interest on his or the part of the GOP has yet to be seen.

They're sure not showing me anything as cause for hope.

49 26 JDP,

remind me again why I want Cali and NY in the bathtub???

There was always in theory a mutual adherence to our founding ideals at least paid lip service to....

I am not nor would I ever be a Californian and should the day come where it need be so I may indeed forget what an "American" is....

50

of course politicans exploit this. but "divisiveness" in and of itself means nothing.

 

Au contraire. "A house divided cannot stand"  is a   true saying that goes back to the Bible. TFG just cranked it up to 11 to gain control.

51

Pick from the following that best describes Barack Obama:

1.  "Alinsky" Tactics
2.  "Cloward - Piven" Liberal
3.  "Fabian Window" crusher of worlds.
4.  All of the above.

52

House Speaker John Boehner says he "absolutely" trusts President Barack Obama"

 

Of course I do!  He promised that  it's just this war and that lying son of a bitch Johnson.

53 I wrote about Step One over at Breitbart, though it's stuff you've read before.

Posted by: Ace at 02:14 PM



Bets on how long it is before the Horde either fucks up the comments at Breitbart or are told to knock it off?

54 The problem is the continued Racism in this Administration. The second Hispanic as Secretary of Labor, how about an Albanian instead of an Alien for a change? And with the continude staffing of Blacks and Hispanics in Public Service Positions it really does not address the core issues of the problems in the Hispanic and Black communities. We only need to look at the Problems of East El Lay and Compton to realize we need less of these Presidential Appointeee's and more Activists?

55 50 JDP,

Yeah I tried translating it....

it is a southwest aphorism from our days back as "mechanic land"....

"I trust Obama to do *x*"

as in I know the engine pushed this long will blow....

I got what he meant at once.

56 I heard How to Destroy America in Four Easy Steps, boy.

57 I'm not on the Carson for president bandwagon and I'm not sure why there are people pushing for him at this early stage (I know we are desperate for people to actually articulate conservative people, and he is an impressive person). But I don't know if I would completely disqualify him based on his current opinions about guns. I think if the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is explained to him, he might reconsider. It's possible he hasn't heard it explained. I mean, he lives in MD, right?

58 OT more stoopid from our illustrious Veep.

Now, Biden has said he plans to attend the celebratory Mass. He confirmed he will be attending a reception tonight with the presidential delegation to the inaugural mass with American officials based in Rome. Biden says he has to attend “or I’ll lose my soul.”

BidenÂ’s comment came as he met at the Villa Aurelia with Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic, according to reporters on the scene.

59 I watched this speech late last night.  Good stuff.  Wide-ranging and energetic.  I got the impression he could have done 4-5 seperate speeches just on the issues he brought up, Healthcare, Education, Taxes, Charity.  He has obviously given lots of thought to come to these ideas and positions.

Btw, I like the sound of this ticket...

Carson/Ayotte 2012.

He would need a running mate with foreign policy experience and Senator Ayotte fits the bill, imo, being on the Armed Services Committee.

60 * 2016 * !!

61 It's obvious stuff that we've been saying for a long time. The trick is to re-package this message and translate it into dumbese so's that the dummies can understand it.

62 You filled out your brackets yet? The Son of Perdition always takes Gonzaga.

63 but if the GOP caves on SSM and abortion, I will not support the party. --------------- Abortion will never again be illegal in this country. We only hurt ourselves by trying to catch a ship that sailed 40 years ago. SSM is heading in that direction as well. I think we'd be better off either trying to get the government out of marriage all together, or making sure that SSM gets implemented legislatively rather than by judicial fiat.

64 Just to be clear, Ben Carson is no relation to Rachel Carson, right? That would disqualify him from every office from President to dog-catcher.

65

I wrote about Step One over at Breitbart, though it's stuff you've read before

 

 

Undoubtedly we commented on it.  

But assuming we read something you wrote...kinda risky.

66 Encourage a culture of ridicule for basic moral principles:

Socialism, progressivism, racism, elitism...  Yup, I'm all in favor of ridiculing our new basic moral principles.

67 Something else that doesn't seem to be getting much mention at CPAC is what's going on overseas.

But you have to pay attention to that stuff, because the statist left is transnational, and whatever scheme they are cooking up and trying out in Europe is going to get tried out on these shores eventually.

Not least thanks to the likes of Elena Kagan, who thinks that the U.S. Constitution should take a back seat to the opinions of foreign courts and foreign legislatures when the Supreme Court deliberates.

Anyway, several of Ace's commenters and cobloggers have brought up the brute force confiscations of bank depositors' property in Cyprus, so I won't go into that other than to say that should have stopped all other debate at CPAC dead in its tracks, but did not, which is a worrisome sign. Property rights ARE human rights. At least conservatives used to say and believe that.

More worrisome yet in terms of what CPAC should be spotlighting as a hugely troubling development is that the UK, home of Magna Carta, a country that has been one of the world's historic incubators and reservoirs of individual liberty, is now about to sign off on a new system of "reasonable regulation" of free speech by the government.

Of course, regulated free speech isn't free speech at all. Not in any meaningful sense of that word. "Regulated free speech" is something you find in the People's Republic of China. But that's what is coming to the UK.

And you can bet that American leftists are yawping in admiration at this quiet coup that so hugely expands the sphere of the state, and figuring that when they come up with their own version of such a "reasonable regulation" plan, the first guys from our side of the aisle who rush to sign on will be Lindsey Graham and John McCain.

68 @61: I would agree. I hadn't heard any good reasoning regarding the Second Amendment until I started reading blogs post-9/11, and I was a pretty big news and politics junkie in the 80s and 90s.

69 Corollary: Make everything a crime so that it's just a matter of time to bust anyone who steps out of line.

70 Dear Left: If you disagree with Dr. Ben Carson, you're a racist.

71 Hey, navycopjoe!!!

72

Au contraire. "A house divided cannot stand" is a true saying that goes back to the Bible. TFG just cranked it up to 11 to gain control.

 

 

 

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 18, 2013 02:27 PM (+z4pE)

 

 

Yeah.... according to the Moslems.... a House Divided brought us... them...

73 I do wonder if President Carson would have the same problems that generals and heads of corporations do, namely an inflated expectation that when they give an order, it will be carried out.  People who simply expect that their wishes are sufficient to run a government usually make poor presidents, witness the current WH occupant.  Yes, the press, the Dems, and to some extent the GOP have been quite willing to give him what he wants, but this is where the "there's not difference between the parties" nonsense fails the test.  If that were so, why is Obama doing everything he can think of to get a Dem house in '14?

74 Hey Navycopjoe- you filed to run for Congress, yet? Or do you have to wait until later in the year?

75 Not to bring up old threads, I agree that we need to focus on the economy, but if the GOP caves on SSM and abortion, I will not support the party. Not saying that they wonÂ’t do it the stupid way, because, well, stupid party, but unless you need to put women in jail for having abortions it is possible for the GOP to get the hell out of those decisions. (1) Marriage is and has always been something for the states to decide. The federal government gets the hell out of it. (2) safe, legal, RARE, plus make sure women know how to kill rapists and have the tools to do it. And when they don't, put those rapists in jail for a long time. And again, get the federal government the hell out of it.

76 Now,
Biden has said he plans to attend the celebratory Mass. He confirmed he
will be attending a reception tonight with the presidential delegation
to the inaugural mass with American officials based in Rome. Biden says
he has to attend “or I’ll lose my soul.”

BidenÂ’s comment came as he met at the Villa Aurelia with Serbian
President Tomislav Nikolic, according to reporters on the scene.

Posted by: steevy at March 18, 2013 02:29 PM (9XBK2)

--Ac cording to the teachings of his own church, he loses his soul every time he receives communion while remaining hostile to some of the most important parts of the Magesterium.

77 But even if it were true- doesn't some small amount of the blame fall on Romney for not securing his base? Just a little?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 18, 2013 02:26 PM (4OvDk)

 

Blame always fall on the candidate for the most part and Romney has already accepted it as I do.   But in this case , the blame is because Romney did not do what he needed to do to get his own base out which to me, is weak sauce. 

 

That's  like  a  kid  blaming  his  parents  that  he   committed  a  murder because  though  he  was  not  abused,   the  parents  just  didn't  pay  enough  attention  to  him.

78

Dr. Carson is a good man.  I would not mind him as a senator or cabinet choice.  But as others have noted, he is not a fan of the 2nd Amdmt.  Therefore he is not a fan of the constitution and constitutional limits. 

 

And two many people feel that their good intentions and desire for "justice" should allow them to do whatever they want.  They will shit all over the Constitution and Constitutional Limits.  After all it is for the "good of the people."

 

Just ask Bloomie, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Adolf, Benito, Vlad Lenin, Mao, and Castro.  They all knew what is best for the people, even if us peasants and serfs do not know any better.  And they will use the state to crush us if we resist.  After all it is for our own good, even if it kills us. 

 

 

79 Biden has said he plans to attend the celebratory Mass. He confirmed he will be attending a reception tonight with the presidential delegation to the inaugural mass with American officials based in Rome. Biden says he has to attend “or I’ll lose my soul.”


He's lost his mind, his law school transcripts, and now this.

80

Bets on how long it is before the Horde either fucks up the comments at Breitbart or are told to knock it off?

 

IIRC, teh Ewok already told us not to    go over there. Unless that was snark and I missed it, which is entirely possible.

81

17 3 years until primary season. I like Dr. Carson quite a bit. I hope he runs just as I hope Ted Cruz and Rand Paul run. The more of them in the primary the fewer Romneys and Huntsmans there will be (I hope).

 

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 02:20 PM (XkWWK) 

 

---------

 

But...having so many people running in the last primary, is *why* we ended up with someone like Romney.

 

There were 70% who wanted 'Not Romney', remember that?

But that 70% were so fractured and split up between all the 'other candidates'...that it ensured a Romney win.

 

The last primary season was a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

Complete with endless dumbass debates, moderated by Liberals.

 

82
I like that Hollywood did the Ben Carson Story before they knew he wasn't liberal.   Nelson Muntz says "ha ha!"

As for Obumbles, he hates you and me.  I can live with that.

83 IIRC, teh Ewok already told us not to go over there. Unless that was snark and I missed it, which is entirely possible.


Plus, you have to register.

I'll register my guns (which were all tragically lost at sea!) before I register for comments.

84 @66, I am not saying that I think they'll overturn Roe v. Wade or that we can stop the SSM train. I'm also OK with them advocating leaving SSM to the states. I believe entrenched free-for-all abortion and SSM are where the country is headed, and I don't see anything that will stop this. However, if the party officially supports abortion and SSM, I'm out. (Not in now, but I'll be able to get my citizenship in a couple of years, and when I do, I will sit out the elections, except perhaps for individual candidates.)

85 Sure sure, blame Romney but you can't say he didn't get out the base. He got everyone he could, it wasn't enough. I thought he took the foot off of the gas, but at least he didn't surrender in October like McCain did.

86 http://is.gd/YVVfkD Reporter To White House: Is Obama Planning To Cut Back On Lavish Vacations – White House: No.

87 84 I don't think you can comment there anyway.

88 i'm sure a marriage system that varies depending on what state you move to would be totally sustainable dudes 225 years so far.

89 Look, once SSM and abortions are freely given to kids in 6th grade without parental consent, the left won't be done. It's not about SSM and abortions, it's about offering something to create a rallying point. Full societal devolution, they hate us and our values.

90 Plus, you have to register.

I'll register my guns (which were all tragically lost at sea!) before I register for comments.

Posted by: EC at March 18, 2013 02:34 PM (GQ8sn)

That's what throwaway email accounts (and canoes) are for!

91 @90: What sticks with me re: Romney is the exit polls indicating people liked TFG as a person more than Mitt. That's something the campaign could've fixed, or at least addressed; he has a genuinely impressive background and most of it we only heard about for one night at the RNC.

92 Au contraire. "A house divided cannot stand" is a true saying that goes back to the Bible.

***

Yeah, both Jesus and Satan have said it.

93 BUT HE DOESN'T THINK HIGHLY OF GUNS IN INNER-CITIES. 

WHY DO YOU KEEP LINKING TO THIS RINO PIECE OF SHIT, ACE.  WE TRUE CONS WOULDN'T ELECT HIM TO LICK THE VOMIT OFF OUR BATHROOM FLOORS.  HE HAS DEVIATED.

94

Just to be clear, Ben Carson is no relation to Rachel Carson, right?

 

Flatly, no.

95 There were 70% who wanted 'Not Romney', remember that? But that 70% were so fractured and split up between all the 'other candidates'...that it ensured a Romney win. Well, the problem was that post-Perry, there really wasnÂ’t anyone to coalesce on. Yes, I would have preferred Gingrich or Cain over Romney, but I can understand why people would have preferred one or the other or even Romney over them. If Perry hadnÂ’t self-destructed, the non-Romney voters would, I think, have quickly coalesced around him. In a sense, the problem was that there were too few alternatives, not that there were too many. I think all the good candidates thought Perry was going to walk away with it, and they were okay with that, so they either bowed out or never filed to begin with. So when he failed, there wasnÂ’t a good Perry alternative. A bigger field might have been better.

96 That's like a kid blaming his parents that he committed a murder because though he was not abused, the parents just didn't pay enough attention to him. Not taking it extremes at all are we? Seems to me more like a fan blaming poor attendance on the team because the team didn't play superlatively AND ALSO did not do anything else to get butts in the seats. Romney (and, perhaps sadly more importantly) his "consultants" knew he had a perception problem (at the least). He was seen as a squish on social issues, he was seen as "gun-grabber" (fairly or not), he was, in general, seen as "not conservative enough." Now, he said some good things that impressed me. That said, I also voted for the guy. On the other hand, he did kind of "coast" in the 2nd & 3rd debate, when he should have been sealing the deal. He sat (from what I could tell) on tons of advertising money and never did anything useful with it. When people don't trust you, you have to set out to show them you're trustworthy. You can't blame the people for not buying it when he didn't try hard to sell it.

97 Carson.... Carson..... Ummmm Tonight Show?

98 I like that Hollywood did the Ben Carson Story before they knew he wasn't liberal.

***

He actually knows how to do something so that should have been a clue.

99 I am waiting for The Rev. Jesse Jackson to order Dr.Carson back onto the plantation.

100 To be sure, "generic republican" voted better than Obama, but we nominated the most non-generic republican we could find in Mitt ... well, aside from Newt or Palin. T-paw pulled a McCain and surrendered too early.

101

@11 Not to bring up old threads, I agree that we need to focus on the economy, but if the GOP caves on SSM and abortion, I will not support the party.

-------------------------------

I think that falls under Carson's point #2.

 

102 The Left are tacticians. The Right are reactionaries. Predictable reactionaries, at that.

103 85 The last primary season was a clusterfuck of epic proportions. Complete with endless dumbass debates, moderated by Liberals. Posted by: wheatie at March 18, 2013 02:34 PM (rwujx) I agree, but also the quality of candidates left much to be desired. I would not mind a large field if it had Cruz, Paul, Rubio, West and Carson with the RINO du jour as opposed to the last field of Santorum, Newt, Tardisil, 999, Huntsman and Mitt. Yes, do away with the leftist MFM moderators and neutralize the early influence of Iowa and NH.

104 i'm sure a marriage system that varies depending on what state you move to would be totally sustainable dudes

225 years so far.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at March 18, 2013 02:36 PM (QupBk)

 

You mean some states don't recognize other state's marriage contracts between a man and a woman?  News to me. 

105 what does this mean? the country's always had (or did) a shared assumption in what marriage was The requirement are set by each state. Age of consent, nearness of relation etc. It's worked so far.

106 >>>Ace, one problem with your summary ("The goal was still the same -- undermine the state to such an extent that a revolution was inevitable -- but now the method turned to ginning up hatred and envy between different cultural cohorts along gender and racial lines.") is of course that now the goal is to strengthen the state, rather than undermine it, and take the wheel for good. I shouldn't have said "state." I meant something like "current norms and standards."

107 It's sad, really. So few of us speak out that one speech gets covered (the MFM will never make that mistake again) and it's "Oh my God, he should be President!"

108 Say, I'm sure I can trust that snake offering me free apples.

109 So now we're second best?

110 Just to be clear..... It wasn't but 10 to 12 years ago that the Pink Mafia ridiculed marriage as something only the breeders do. Now they themselves want to get married? Right.

111 House Speaker John Boehner says he "absolutely" trusts President Barack Obama"

So do I...

...I trust him to destroy the country.

112

Ugh.  This is somewhat OT, but I find this disgusting.  it's as bad as having the Sandy Hook     chorus   sing at the Super Bowl.

 

 

Murdered Teen's Family Invited to White House for Easter Egg Roll

 

CBS Chicago: http://tiny.cc/5jn5tw

 

 

"Gee,   we're sorry your    daughter with the promising future got gunned down in Chicagoland, but if you don't mind we'll keep trotting you out every couple months or so as an    example for gun control.  It doesn't matter that Chicago has draconian gun legislation that did nothing to save your daughter; you're still our go-to example.   And hey, there's nothing      better     to help you get over the loss of a beloved child than taking your other child to an Easter Egg Roll attended by lots of rich people whose children never have to worry about being shot to death by a gangbanger in Chicago."

 

 

These people have no class,       no shame, and not a shred of decency.

113

Not taking it extremes at all are we? Seems to me more like a fan blaming poor attendance on the team because the team didn't play superlatively AND ALSO did not do anything else to get butts in the seats.

No this is not a game.  I'm talking about the USA being murdered by the election of Obama.  Its only extreme if you believe that Obama's election will not have that effect.  I think it will. 

114 They're further along now-- phase one is destroying the current order. Once they gain control, then of course they want to build up the power of the now-existing order.

115 Quick. Someone write those points in crayon and send them to Obama.

116 Sure sure, blame Romney but you can't say he didn't get out the base. He got everyone he could, it wasn't enough. Fewer votes than McCain. But you can't say he didn't get out the base. Obviously he did fail to get out the base. The question is "why?" And I think some of the answer (not all, maybe not even most) lies with the fact that he didn't bother to seal the deal. He had one good debate performance, and then took his foot off the gas. I think we all misunderstood what happened in that first debate. That wasn't (like I, at least, thought) Conservatives finally being able to set aside their animosity. Rather, it was Conservatives finally saying, "Okay, you don't sound like a complete statist. Your public hearing begins now." And then Romney did nothing with that.

117 What about teh lamentations of teh wimminz?

118 117 They have "evolved" on the issue.

119 But I thought Obama had a 666 step plan.

120 I like that Hollywood did the Ben Carson Story before they knew he wasn't liberal. Nelson Muntz says "ha ha!"

As for Obumbles, he hates you and me. I can live with that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2013 02:34 PM (IY7Ir)

I watched 'Gifted Hands' on Saturday.  Hadn't seen it before.  I didn't know he wife lost twins.

121 I got the impression he could have done 4-5 seperate speeches

That puts him about 4 speeches ahead of Obama.  TFG only has one.  They just shuffle the paragraphs around...sometimes

122 Romney, a man with a pristine background and many acts of personal decency and kindness, was not the nice guy that Obama, a man with neither, was. If there were any charitable acts of decency in Obama's background, they certainly wouldn't have been hidden. He simply never did anything of the sort. I have to agree with torquewrench-he sounds good but is he the next Michael Steele trainwreck waiting for a gig on MSNBC.

123 111 94 people talk slippery slope polygamy arguments but really the next argument may be, should IVF be free. and the answer, of course, will be yes. cuz equality maan.**** I don't know what the next big step downward will be, aside from speech codes. It must really chafe the donkeys that they can't put people in jail for offending them.

124 You mean some states don't recognize other state's marriage contracts between a man and a woman? News to me. Alabama recognizes common law marriages. I think that if you move to Arizona, for instance, they won't accept that you are married.

125 No this is not a game. I'm talking about the USA being murdered by the election of Obama. Its only extreme if you believe that Obama's election will not have that effect. I think it will. Hmmm... by his advertising, Mr. Romney disagreed with you. Which is my point. Whatever you and I (on this here "smart military blog") believe about the effect of Obama's reelection, most of the country thinks we're weirdo reactionaries. Romney never once even tried to make the case that, "With these policies, there might not be an America in 4 more years." He never once made an add that said (even in other words), "Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure." If it were so important, shouldn't he also have treated it like it was so important?

126

@85 - But that 70% were so fractured and split up between all the 'other candidates'...that it ensured a Romney win.

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Not true.  Every few weeks, the "NotRomney" people would coalesce around a candidate.  Then that candidate would finally start getting some exposure, and people would finally start to realize how flawed the candidate was.  A few weeks later, another NotRomney would come to the fore, and the process would repeat itself.

 

Every single candidate in the primary had issues.  Perry's were the most surmountable because his issues are probably mainly due to lack of experience campaigning.  He might be able to overcome them in 2016.  But the rest of the pack should probably never win the Republican primary because they'll get curb-stomped in the general.

 

127 and yes, ten+ years ago, marriage was a stupid breeder tradition that gays were too cool and hedonistic to bother with. But now, we have to redirect all our country's energy and voting efforts to deal with the life choices of what, 20000 people?

128
These people have no class, no shame, and not a shred of decency.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2013 02:42 PM (4df7R)

But they so have props.  They are to politics what Gallagher is to comedy.

129

Carson has it all wrong. According to the heavy brains over at the Growth and Opportunity project, what we need to do is embrace the Leftard platform lock stock and barrel.

Fucking drooling imbeciles. They should all climb into a tub of warm water with a bottle of valium and a gross of straight razors.

130 I don't know what the next big step downward will be, aside from speech codes. Man-boy love. You H8R.

131 8 He'll evolve on guns once he has some legislative experience and the activist kick his ass on it a little. Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 18, 2013 02:17 PM (I2LwF) Either he evolves, or you let MD keep him

132 17 3 years until primary season. I like Dr. Carson quite a bit. I hope he runs just as I hope Ted Cruz and Rand Paul run. The more of them in the primary the fewer Romneys and Huntsmans there will be (I hope).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 18, 2013 02:20 PM (XkWWK)

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But then these 3 split the conservative vote 3 ways and a Huntsman wins with 40%, just like Romney and McCain won.

133 Does he know where the gold is buried?

134 Anybody got a smoke I could bum?

135 Fewer votes than McCain Romney got more votes than McCain, by about a million. Obama got fewer votes than Obama, by about 3.5 million. About 2 million fewer people voted. Which still wouldnÂ’t have been enough to win even if they all voted for Obama. Romney needed about 5 million more votes.

136 Does anyone know what Dr. Carson's religious affiliation is if he has one?

137 Alabama recognizes common law marriages. I think that if you move to Arizona, for instance, they won't accept that you are married.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at March 18, 2013 02:46 PM (QupBk)

 

common law is not a contract.  I  understand  the  point  you are trying to make but  the  gay  marriage  construct  is a totally different ballgame and untested in any  similar  fashion  in  our 225 years.

138 L, elle, I think he's a Seventh Day Adventist.

139 128 "Fewer votes than McCain" no ******** yes, the full story on 2012 election is unknown, murky. We had a conniption fit that maybe the evangelicals stayed home or whatever. I will admit that the one group to be pissed off at are the libertardians (then again, maybe they were actually greenies) with their 1,000,000 votes cast for 3rd party. Basically, it seems like every group that could vote did. And we crossed over more than anyone had in decades. Indeed, we picked up endorsements from the donkey reservation. It just wasn't enough. And yes, Mitt did take the foot off the gas, but the message was all wrong too. Basically, he assumed the sale based on his resume versus Obama's economy. Ooops, people weren't that pissed about the economy.

140 Romney got more votes than McCain, by about a million. Obama got fewer votes than Obama, by about 3.5 million. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at March 18, 2013 02:49 PM (QF8uk) People don't care. Narratives and rumors always outrun facts and numbers.

141 145 Does anyone know what Dr. Carson's religious affiliation is if he has one?

Posted by: L, elle at March 18, 2013 02:49 PM (0PiQ4)

Seventh Day Adventist

142

I'd be less interested in having Dr. Carson in    the Oval Office than I would having him as Surgeon General or head of Health and Human Services; especially the latter.      If ever there was a department that needed some clean    surgical cuts to get it in line, it's HHS.       And once he's cut   his eye teeth in     a Cabinet position, then I'd be happy to hold him up as a prime candidate for President. 

 

 

He's clearly an intelligent, articulate man.  Whatever happens, I want him on our side speaking for    our views.

143 148 Ooops, people weren't that pissed about the economy.

Why?

144 141 But then these 3 split the conservative vote 3 ways and a Huntsman wins with 40%, just like Romney and McCain won. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 02:48 PM (HDgX3) Disagree. Ultimately, one of them will break out of the pack. I do not think that a Krispy Kreme or whomever the GOP chooses will be able to beat a Rand Paul. Again, we have 3 years and a midterm between now and then.

145

Sounds like Dr. Carson's speech was a variation of "If TFG was trying to destroy the country, what would   he be doing differently?"

 

And just for the sake of conversation, if the Leftards are going all  division-y on us, wouldn't a good counter-strategy be to start a Unity Offensive?   After all, we were  already diverse before we had "diversity" shoved up our asses every time we turned  around.

 

We were united as Americans once, we can be again.

146 Romney got more votes than McCain, by about a million. Obama got fewer votes than Obama, by about 3.5 million. About 2 million fewer people voted. Which still wouldnÂ’t have been enough to win even if they all voted for Obama. Romney needed about 5 million more votes. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at March 18, 2013 02:49 PM (QF8uk) Stop letting facts and shit get in the way of a Romney-bashing narrative!!!

147 Ben Carson's CPAC Speech: How to Destroy Ameirca In Four Easy Steps —Ace Step 5: Change it's name.

148
I think we have crossed a wide divide on a very rickety bridge into the land of socialism.  More than 51% of the people are happy to never look back.  The only way a majority will come back is when they reach the pit of fire and despair. Cyprus style.

Make it happen, find ways to avoid or delay every penny of taxes that you can.  Take advantage of every govt program, milk it.  Make it burn.

149 152 I'd be less interested in having Dr. Carson in the Oval Office than I would having him as Surgeon General or head of Health and Human Services; especially the latter. If ever there was a department that needed some clean surgical cuts to get it in line, it's HHS. And once he's cut his eye teeth in a Cabinet position, then I'd be happy to hold him up as a prime candidate for President.


He's clearly an intelligent, articulate man. Whatever happens, I want him on our side speaking for our views.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2013 02:51 PM (4df7R)

--I`m curious as to why he did not speak at the convention, but perhaps in retrospect it`s best he was not sullied by that clusterfuck of a campaign.

150 141 But then these 3 split the conservative vote 3 ways and a Huntsman wins with 40%, just like Romney and McCain won. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 02:48 PM (HDgX3) But they don't really seem to hate eachother, so I'm guessing whoever falls behind will throw their lot in with the other conservative. Big Bang Theory < '08 < '12 < '16

151 There is one healthy thing going on at CPAC, and that's a debate about the proper role of the consultantocracy.

What no one seems to be voicing is the rather basic idea that if a consultant runs a campaign, and turns in a crummy performance relative to what was expected, and loses the election, then maybe, just maybe, no one should ever hire them again.

The Democrats, thankfully for all of us, repeatedly allowed Bob Shrum a key role in high level campaign management, and even after it was clear Shrum was an incompetent boob who consistently lost elections, the Democrats kept hiring him because they all liked him personally.

What's our excuse?

McCain put together a team of consultants in 2008 who ran what was probably the worst single Republican presidential campaign of my adult lifetime. Worse than the flaccid Dole '96 effort.

And then what happened? Mitt Romney hired the same damn crew of sad retreads who had run the McCain campaign into total failure. They proceeded to pull out the McCain '08 playbook, and ran every tired option in it, and produced yet another wipeout defeat.

FIRE PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET THE JOB DONE. DON'T REHIRE THEM.

This stuff is not rocket science. It never was.

152 You mean some states don't recognize other state's marriage contracts between a man and a woman?

Jerry Lee Lewis got into hot water over this with a 14yo bride years ago.

153

Completely off topic, does anybody have the group ID# for the AoS yahoo bracket thingy?  I need to go make my usual awful picks.

154 Frankly, I think America is doomed anyway.

155 I`m curious as to why he did not speak at the convention, but perhaps in retrospect it`s best he was not sullied by that clusterfuck of a campaign. Posted by: logprof at March 18, 2013 02:52 PM (+iA5G) He timed it just right. The speech that set it off was Rand Paulian in its genius, or vice versa, whatever.

156 I`m curious as to why he did not speak at the convention, but perhaps in retrospect it`s best he was not sullied by that clusterfuck of a campaign.

Posted by: logprof at March 18, 2013 02:52 PM (+iA5G)

 

Were his conservative leanings even known at the time of the convention?  He really didn't shoot into the spotlight until his speech in front of Obama earlier this year (or was it late last year?).   It might just be    that  TPTB didn't even know he existed.   

157 why? because the traitorous MSM doesn't share tales of woe, I assume. People don't know how bad it is, plus the GOP never really punished Obama for changing what UE numbers mean. Another big loss for Romney is the misplay of the Wisconsin successs story. If he had pushed the Waiting for Superman, the Cartel, versus Obama's war against non-union thug teachers, then I believe Romney would've had a wedge, and would've won.

158 Romney got more votes than McCain, by about a million. Obama got fewer votes than Obama, by about 3.5 million.

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So a net 4.5 million people came to their senses in 2012 vs 2008.

It's a start.

159 Thanks chique and Tami. I don't know anything about 7th Day Adventists. He mentioned tithing in his prayer breakfast speech so I assumed he was Christian.

160 164 Yes,but less doomed than he rest of the world.We have that going for us!

161 87 IIRC, teh Ewok already told us not to go over there. Unless that was snark and I missed it, which is entirely possible.

Plus, you have to register.

I'll register my guns (which were all tragically lost at sea!) before I register for comments.
Posted by: EC at March 18, 2013 02:34 PM

Register Communists, not Comments

162 Narratives and rumors always outrun facts and numbers.

Facts are racist and sexist.

163 That's like a kid blaming his parents that he committed a murder because though he was not abused, the parents just didn't pay enough attention to him.

Posted by: polynikes at March 18, 2013 02:33 PM (m2CN7)

I have to agree.  You have one fucking choice in the 2012 election, Obama or Romney, if you choose anyone BUT Romney you're part of the problem.

164 OT:  I've been trying to think how to tell Lizzie Warren that a $22 minimum wage would be bad.  So far I have, the economy is like a buffalo herd.  Once you kill it, it's gone for good.

165 163 Completely off topic, does anybody have the group ID# for the AoS yahoo bracket thingy? I need to go make my usual awful picks.

Posted by: OSUsux at March 18, 2013 02:54 PM (DFXmi)

--And why has there not been a dedicated thread on this?

It may be that the pool has not been set up yet?

166 Romney got more votes than McCain, by about a million. Obama got fewer votes than Obama, by about 3.5 million. Okay, let's say that's right (and I could certainly have heard a wrong number- it happens). Do you think McCain turned out the base? That's a swing of 4.5 million votes, and Romney couldn't/didn't seal the deal. Yes, there are (at least) 2 million people who failed to vote (that is: they'd voted in the previous election and not in this one). Assuming a 60/40 R split, that would have been a net change of 5.7 million votes. Now, with those numbers, you can only assume one of two things: One: Romney failed to turn out the base. And (based on what we think we know) failed to turn out the base across the board, not just 'evangelicals.' Two: The Republicans really are a minority party and Conservatism really is dead as a political philosophy in the United States. Now, honestly, I'm 50/50 here. It could go either way. But, if we want hope (for anything other than a shooting war), we have to assume option one.

167 even if they all voted for Obama Meant, even if they all voted for Romney. Hopefully it was clear in context. Stop letting facts and shit get in the way of a Romney-bashing narrative!!! Yeah, I’d like nothing more than a good Romney-bashing. See link in sig for me making fun of DrewM back in 2011 for a strange “get out of the way of Romney” post. But if our Romney-bashing isn’t fact-based, we will just continue to lose.

168 1. Secure the voting system. Anything else is literally insane. 2. Look at the left's organization. They may be bonkers, but they're an organized, mad information-gathering and -using, PR and micromanaging machine. Obviously you can't just copy them because we think differently and so does our base, but last year was a clusterfuck of a campaign from an information and contact POV. 3. MFM. Do opposition research on them and use it. It's not about destroying their credibility, it's about showing the public that they have no credibility. It's the only way to get past them without outspending them, and that ain't gonna happen. Add steps as necessary.

169 People don't know how bad it is, plus the GOP never really punished Obama for changing what UE numbers mean.

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How exactly did Obama change what UE number mean? Specifically.

170 Pick from the following that best describes Barack Obama: 1. "Alinsky" Tactics 2. "Cloward - Piven" Liberal 3. "Fabian Window" crusher of worlds. 4. All of the above. I'll take "What is number 4" for $16T Alex.

171 He doesn't necessarily need to be president. He just needs to keep saying "Being president isn't brain surgery." Posted by: Opus An Arcus Given the winning losers in recent elections, thank God for that. I agree that when ObamaCare was being contested in Congress, the Caucus of House and Senate Physicians argued most clearly against government assumption, and FOR the specific legitimate private means to accomplish lower cost for medical treatments; C-SPAN. And where were the Republican House and Senate Leadership during those presentations? AWOL. Did the Republican Leadership ever coalesce around the physician's sponsored health care bill? No. They and 98% of elected politicians are functionally illiterate. They don't read. They only listen to gossip. The Kardashians may as well be running government. The socialist version we're stuck in, no thanks to (choose the candidate who will nominate conservative Supreme Court Justices) the Chief Justice, cemented our bodies into corporatist insurance agencies' policies that we the citizens fund completely through taxation, premiums and co-pays. Go figure. The medical treatment costs are not lower, but inflating worse yet. And the quality? "What difference does it make?!!!!" One flew over the cuckoo's nest. Don't put it past an authoritarian, potus or otherwise, to stick his finger ("because I could") into the frontal lobe of an inconvenient US citizen. As if being assassinated by the Potus or any political operative without due constitutional process isn't enough to contest. Juxtapose Bush's "with surgical precision" quotes to explain his TARP precedent fraud compounding economic Dollar shambles and the US standard of living, and the subsequent truncation of modern medicine in the US available for the American citizenry.

172 UE is what 7.7% now, but if the number of workers hadn't been lowered to 1982 levels, and kept consistent with 2010, that number would be more like 15%

173 The "division among the people" is the by-product of the larger campaign strategy, that is, re-create a new mainstream or "in-group."

174

159 --I`m curious as to why he did not speak at the convention, but perhaps in retrospect it`s best he was not sullied by that clusterfuck of a campaign.

 

Dr. Carson is a registered Independent.

That may have something to do with it...but then, they were trying to attract Independents...so yeah, you'd think he would've been invited to speak.

 

I could've done without seeing so much of that "Mitt is such a great person" stuff.

They went waay overboard with some of that.

 

175 Rome fell in two generations.

I figure we are about mid-way through the second generation.

176 If the RNC committee had reported on how to improve the Red Sox, their report would have concluded "do more to get Yankee fans to love you"

177 178 1. Secure the voting system. Anything else is literally insane. *** yup. That's probably how we picked up 2 states over 2008. That judge in Pennsylvania blocked the ID law there, and the governor (GOP!) in Michigan blocked it there. Michigan should've been ours.* *but of course, any discussion of voter fraud is insane and sour grapes, something which we must never discuss. because...?

178 I registered libertarian when I turned 18, never bothered to change it, now I don't want to change it anymore. Thanks GOP!

179
>>Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2013 02:53 PM (gqT4g)<<<

Those people and the people that hire them, they aren't on your side.  They have been playing conservatives as suckers for decades.

180 182 UE is what 7.7% now, but if the number of workers hadn't been lowered to 1982 levels, and kept consistent with 2010, that number would be more like 15%

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 02:58 PM (QxSug)

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But Obama didn't change this. The unemployment rate is calculated the same way today as it has been for decades. It's a stupid way of doing it, but Obama didn't create the formula.

181 OT: I've been trying to think how to tell Lizzie Warren that a $22 minimum wage would be bad. So far I have, the economy is like a buffalo herd. Once you kill it, it's gone for good.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 18, 2013 02:55 PM (XUKZU)

 

"Minimum wage, it is as the herds of buffalo.  For each member of our tribe, at one time seven buffalo were   enough to satiate their needs.   Now the    demand rises to twenty-two per tribesman.  There are not more buffalo,   though the demand is greater.   The    tribe,   fighting to meet the demand,    takes young buffalo    who   haven't matured, and the pregnant females who've yet to birth the next generation.        The buffalo herds    thin.      Soon, they are   gone.        Dust reclaims the prairie,    and the mighty tribe dies out."

182 I registered libertarian when I turned 18, never bothered to change it, now I don't want to change it anymore. Thanks GOP! Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 18, 2013 02:59 PM (FsUAO) ---------------------------------------------------------- Big Bang Thoery > Registered Libertatian

183 *but of course, any discussion of voter fraud is insane and sour grapes, something which we must never discuss. because...? Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 02:59 PM (QxSug) Well, I think we're down to "because shut up, that's why" or "because POTATO!"

184 How exactly did Obama change what UE number mean? Specifically. Those that are unemployed but have given up looking for work are no longer counted as "unemployed". Hint: They are STILL unemployed.

185 can someone drop science on moo moo about ue?

186 158 ---"The only way a majority will come back is when they reach the pit of fire and despair." Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2013 02:52 PM (IY7Ir) ----------------------------- Today, whenever someone gets a hangnail, they fall on their knees begging Our Lord Caesar for help. What do you think they will do if things are really bad? This notion that an economic collapse will make people wake up and see the errors of leftism is IMO naive. They are more likely to see the "errors" of our Constitutional order --- what's left of it, that is.

187 193 I registered libertarian when I turned 18, never bothered to change it, now I don't want to change it anymore. Thanks GOP! Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 18, 2013 02:59 PM (FsUAO) ---------------------------------------------------------- Big Bang Thoery > Registered Libertatian Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 18, 2013 03:01 PM (jucos) Ouch.

188 "because potato" works for me

189
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2013 03:01 PM (4df7R)

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.....not too shabby

190 189 Romney ran on the economy but never made a convincing case that the stagnation was not being helped by Obama's policies, as opposed to continuing crash aftershock

basically. i don't buy the strict libertarian, government-always-the-problem narrative on the economy myself, but TBH i dunno what a good conservative alternative would look like. it'd have to be something distinct from liberal-lite cuz then what's the point

Posted by: JDP at March 18, 2013 02:59 PM (60GaT)

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Romney was saying the right thing, but saying it the wrong way. He didn't understand that his audience was American Idol viewers, not CEOs of Fortune 500 companies.

191 Many of these concepts were in a fiction book "Full Black" by Brad Thor; not that he was the originally concept but the book was an eye opener for me.

192

In my opinion the blame for our loss in 2008 and 2012 was the ignorance and apathy of our voters and the culture our country has now embraced.   They are assisted greatly by the press but its their ignorance and laziness as well as stubborn obtuseness that allowed Obama to be elected.

 

We are the Kardashian society now mixed with the FSA and that is a deadly combo  that even with the best treatment  the diagnosis may still be terminal.

 

 

 

 

193 The Kardashians may as well be running government.

I hear they're responsible, selfless, and mature.

194

How exactly did Obama change what UE number mean? Specifically.

 

If you drop off  the UE rolls at the state level, you're no longer counted  as funemployed. I know because I are one.

 

It's the same thing with the  Official Inflation figures that don't count  the price   of   groceries or gas.  If you count that, inflation is running around  6 or 7%.

195 People don't care. Narratives and rumors always outrun facts and numbers. True. And if thought anyone gave a shit or that some cocksucker wouldn't delete my comment, I'd explain the power of the availability heuristic.

196 Those that are unemployed but have given up looking for work are no longer counted as "unemployed".

Hint: They are STILL unemployed.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 18, 2013 03:02 PM (GFM2b)

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HINT: This has been the case for about 50 years.

197 Fastest growing voter demographic? Unemployed-Americans.

198 OT: I've been trying to think how to tell Lizzie Warren that a $22 minimum wage would be bad. So far I have, the economy is like a buffalo herd. Once you kill it, it's gone for good.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 18, 2013 02:55 PM (XUKZU)

Tatonka !!! Minimum tatonka!

199 The modern UE adjustments are stupid and have been for decades - BUT for decades they were "hiding" 1-2% by removing them from the rolls, now they're "hiding" 7-9%+. AND the adjustment is hiding the fact that UE is *growing* every month, making it look static to the LIVs. Also the immediate pre-election results were deliberate fraud, they "lost" the numbers for California and didn't report them until the next month, artificially inflating the stats.

200 151

Rubio is now establishment.  That's funny.

201 and look, about 2012, and the numbers. You have to accept that the trolls are right about the demographics. We are adding at least 1.5million FOB replacement americans in here every year, every year since at least 1992. The result is...interesting. What can you do? A start would be to start publishing our own foreign language newspapers, like a Washington Times in Arabic or Chinese, so that our new FOB americans can read something that isn't left of Stalin, which is what those papers apparently are now.

202 If you drop off the UE rolls at the state level, you're no longer counted as funemployed. I know because I are one.

It's the same thing with the Official Inflation figures that don't count the price of groceries or gas. If you count that, inflation is running around 6 or 7%.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 18, 2013 03:03 PM (+z4pE)

____________

AGAIN,

This is nothing new. Both inflation and UE rates have been calculated like this for decades.

203
Well Margarita, if they won't come back or stand up in the face of tyranny or collapse then it just won't matter.

204 HINT: This has been the case for about 50 years. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 03:04 PM (HDgX3) But labor participation is WAY down. So either there's more of these people, or people are getting too old to work at an alarming rate. I've yet to see anyone do an analysis on this.

205 1. Secure the voting system. Anything else is literally insane. Yes...and to do that requires party leadership. At this point, the Republican party leadership in one of the nation's most "conservative" counties and states has already co-opted elections to be conducted 100% without paper ballots. Voicing opposition was moot at every stage of this format's progression. Incumbents are either pushing hard one way or the other. And if, as is likely the case, your incumbent is "for" you with lip-service only, best force term limits by electing a newbie who supports constitutional governance.

206 **216 1. Secure the voting system. Anything else is literally insane. ** right because we won the house and not the senate clearly not because of blue district ballot stuffing.

207
But labor participation is WAY down. So either there's more of these people, or people are getting too old to work at an alarming rate.

I've yet to see anyone do an analysis on this.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 18, 2013 03:06 PM (FsUAO)

_______________

Yes labor participation rate is down. But the ***formula*** for calculating the UE rate is today the same as it was under GWB and under Clinton and under Bush Sr and under Reagan.

Obama didn't change anything. That's my point.

208 ok, so moo moo is anti-science and refuses to join the reality based community on UE manipulation over the last 4 years. Yup, the population rose to 300+ million and the active job pool is the same as it was when there were 250million americans. That makes sense.

209 213 Dr Moo Moo,

yes they ahve been tabulated that way fordecades, they have not been reported the same way in a span of just 4-6 years dear man...

Bush beat Ogabe like a rented mule on 80% of his watch economically....

doesn't matter because 'NARRATIVE!" in that case as well...

210 But Obama didn't change this. The unemployment rate is calculated the same way today as it has been for decades. It's a stupid way of doing it, but Obama didn't create the formula.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 03:00 PM (HDgX3)

 

No, Obama didn't create the calculations.  Obama's treachery   in this respect was his use of     the      UE   numbers as some kind of sign of growth rather than a sign of stagnation.  "Yippee!  The UE rate went from 7.9 to 7.7%!   Growth, baby!"

 

Doesn't matter that the rate dropped because of people leaving the workforce entirely.   Doesn't matter that 0.2% is     a    pitiful gain anyway.     All taht matters is the numbers   went from bad to slightly less bad.   PARTY TIME!   And the     mouthbreathing LIVs eat it up like candy, because they're idiots.

 

The Obama administration's re-definition and re-casting of existing words and principles to make them into something they AREN'T is at the heart of its deceit    of the American people;   not just in   terms of UE, but    everything.      They've managed to redefine "horseshit" as    "solid gold."      And their media bootlickers are all too happy to validate their newspeak and doublethink.

211 219 ok, so moo moo is anti-science and refuses to join the reality based community on UE manipulation over the last 4 years.

Yup, the population rose to 300+ million and the active job pool is the same as it was when there were 250million americans. That makes sense.

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 03:09 PM (QxSug)

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Take econ 101 and get back to me.

212 You know what a lazy, apathetic LIV's vote is worth? The same as yours. OFA went and got those votes (at least some of them) by campaigning at the ground level and online and not just sticking to people they thought were a sure bet. The funny thing is, the new hip RINO GOP is still running the old "get off my lawn" campaign strategy. They say "outreach" like it means "emulate the other party's policies" when it should mean "REACH OUT AND TALK TO PEOPLE." I don't know how many people could have been "swung" by that, but I do know they exist. Because some of them are every election, and OFA "swung" a lot of people who really don't care by going after them socially. I know that's a hard sell for conservatives who like to be left alone, but you have to work to be left alone now.

213 The Ronulans didn't show up for Romney.

Its becoming obvious that personal responsibility is no longer taught in any of our educational systems. Hedonism is the only thing that's valued, at freedom's expense.


Like Mark Steyn, I'm a 19th century imperialist. I think the American Constitution is the best form of government we're going to create in an imperfect world and that classical western civ is the model for civilization. We're losing the war when we're focusing on the economy and not addressing the culture that creates it.

214 Yes labor participation rate is down. But the ***formula*** for calculating the UE rate is today the same as it was under GWB and under Clinton and under Bush Sr and under Reagan. Obama didn't change anything. That's my point. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 03:08 PM (HDgX3) Yeah I'm not arguing with you there. Just saying that from what I understand, our participation rate has been the lowest since the 70's, belying a much worse job problem then is presented in the "7.7%" we see.

215

 

Under Clinton...in 1994...the people who were 'Chronically Unemployed'...were dropped from the calculations for figuring the Unemployment Rate.

 

'Chronically Unemployed' = people who were no longer eligible for Unemployment Benefits, or who had stopped looking for work, etc.

 

Liberals during the Bush years, were pointing this out as a way to dismiss the low unemployment numbers under Bush.

Now...they are silent about this.

 

216 fuck off and die, college boy. You provide nothing to the discussion, you have made the internet dumber by merely typing your words in this comment section.

217 But labor participation is WAY down. So either there's more of these people, or people are getting too old to work at an alarming rate. I've yet to see anyone do an analysis on this. Compare & contrast social security applications due to age. (i.e., retirement vs. the disability de jour)

218 My money is safely deposited in a Cyprus bank!!

219

This is nothing new. Both inflation and UE rates have been calculated like this for decades.

 

Yeah, but do you want accurate numbers  from the people you  pay in your government or  not?

 

Do you want to be accurately informed  or lied to?

220 No, Obama didn't create the calculations. Obama's treachery in this respect was his use of the UE numbers as some kind of sign of growth rather than a sign of stagnation. "Yippee! The UE rate went from 7.9 to 7.7%! Growth, baby!"

Doesn't matter that the rate dropped because of people leaving the workforce entirely. Doesn't matter that 0.2% is a pitiful gain anyway. All taht matters is the numbers went from bad to slightly less bad. PARTY TIME! And the mouthbreathing LIVs eat it up like candy, because they're idiots.

The Obama administration's re-definition and re-casting of existing words and principles to make them into something they AREN'T is at the heart of its deceit of the American people; not just in terms of UE, but everything. They've managed to redefine "horseshit" as "solid gold." And their media bootlickers are all too happy to validate their newspeak and doublethink.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 18, 2013 03:09 PM (4df7R)

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Fine. But that's not the same thing as saying he "changed" the way UE is calculated.

They had better PR than Romney. That's all.

221

>>>I could've done without seeing so much of that "Mitt is such a great person" stuff.
They went waay overboard with some of that.

 

You are pretty much by yourself on this point. Nearly every comment I've seen lamenting the election results claimed that Romney didn't go far enough selling his Good Guy Greg image. And he has it to sell--he does a lot of really selfless stuff with no audience to watch.

 

Instead, they let him be painted as the heartless tycoon who loves to fire crack babies.

222 It's the same thing with the Official Inflation figures that don't count the price of groceries or gas. If you count that, inflation is running around 6 or 7%.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 18, 2013 03:03 PM (+z4pE)

The main Consumer Price Index does include food and energy prices, but there are also alternative measures that exclude various categories of goods.  The Federal Reserve, in its infinite wisdom, uses a version of the CPI that excludes food and energy.  Their stated rationale for doing so is that food and energy prices can be very volatile, but a simple solution to this would be to use some kind of rolling average of prices for certain goods.  It isn't necessary to exclude them entirely in order to circumvent this problem.

223 Food stamp recipients are at an all time high and rising

EBT cards are bullish! BUY! BUY! BUY!

224 Yeah, but do you want accurate numbers from the people you pay in your governmentor not?

Do you want to be accurately informed or lied to?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 18, 2013 03:11 PM (+z4pE)

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I said above that the way UE is calculated is stupid. It's stupid today and it was stupid 50 years ago as well. For the 187th time, Obama didn't change anything in the way the numbers are calculated.

225 198. Divisiveness in action. But far be it from morons to admit their own negativity splitting a necessary coalition of conservatives. /Arf arf arf... That's my other dog impression.

226  Obama didn't change anything in the way the numbers are calculated.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 03:13 PM (HDgX3)

 

Did  he change  the way  they  were  reported?

227 It isn't necessary to exclude them entirely in order to circumvent this problem. Posted by: DKCZ at March 18, 2013 03:12 PM (9/bcB) It is if your goal is to lie about current inflation.

228 It's obviously cooked. The labor force participation rate is obviously not being counted in the same way it has been.

229 "Step One: Hire Mitt Romney's ad people." His INEVITABLE ad people you mean. Of course you boosted him for free.

230
Yeah I'm not arguing with you there. Just saying that from what I understand, our participation rate has been the lowest since the 70's, belying a much worse job problem then is presented in the "7.7%" we see.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 18, 2013 03:10 PM (FsUAO)

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Which is precisely why calculating the UE rate based on participation rate is idiotic. But it is what it is and using that method - which Obama did not create - we get a UE rate that looks a lot better than what it actually is.

231

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Rubio is now establishment. That's funny.

Well remember, that that  big, fat, nasty, greasy, fat, stank, bloated, cheesy-backed, 12-sandwich-eatin' bastard Rove gave Rubio $1,000 after Rubio had already raised hundreds of thousands by himself and with Palin's backing.

 

So, like some here have pointed out, without Rove, Rubio never would have won against Crist.

232 he Federal Reserve, in its infinite wisdom, uses a version of the CPI that excludes food and energy. Their stated rationale for doing so is that food and energy prices can be very volatile, but a simple solution to this would be to use some kind of rolling average of prices for certain goods. It isn't necessary to exclude them entirely in order to circumvent this problem.
Posted by: DKCZ at March 18, 2013 03:12 PM

The BLS and the Fed exclude food and gas prices in their "Headline CPI" numbers, but include them in GDP calculations

2 + 2 = 4 unless it doesn't because the + is volatile

233 239 It's obviously cooked. The labor force participation rate is obviously not being counted in the same way it has been.

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 03:15 PM (QxSug)

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And fire can't melt steel. I know because I read about it online.

234 222 Mr. Moo Moo,

you want to bring that shit to me champ?

I gave a pretty good brief with highlights on twatter that had PHDs down to gas station clerks praising it...

saying "whew GREAT NEWS!" when UE3 goes to 7.9% b/c you bled off into U6 is retarded.....

that the media let him get away with it...

fuck it never mind

235 In theory you could have 100% of people unemployed and an unemployment rate of 0% if that same 100% gave up looking for work.

236 you want to bring that shit to me champ?

I gave a pretty good brief with highlights on twatter that had PHDs down to gas station clerks praising it...

saying "whew GREAT NEWS!" when UE3 goes to 7.9% b/c you bled off into U6 is retarded.....

that the media let him get away with it...

fuck it never mind

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 18, 2013 03:17 PM (LRFds)

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Please show me in detail, where Obama changed the way UE is calculated?

You can't because it doesn't exist. You are mixing up calculation of UE and the spin on what the UE rate is.

237 alright, so anyone else?

238 Guys guys guys, I don't see a very orderly circular firing squad over this minute argument. Get on it.

239 People are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts. Romney received apx. 1 million more popular votes than McCain, all of the hand-wringing about people staying home was based on premature numbers (Sandy-delayed vote counting mainly). Romney's campaign sucked and all, but he did actually beat McCain

240 223 ---"They say 'outreach' like it means 'emulate the other party's policies' when it should mean 'REACH OUT AND TALK TO PEOPLE.'" Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 18, 2013 03:10 PM (bxiXv) ---------------------- BINGO! Well and succinctly put!

241 Take econ 101 and get back to me.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 18, 2013 03:09 PM

I wish I'd thought of that when I can't come up with a counterpoint that matches reality

Excuse me while go home and I shine my Nobel Prize

242 one last time, the fucking labor participation force has been lowered. It's the goddamned denominator. ok whatever, anyone care to get back to making fun of romney and complaining why "group X" didn't vote in 2012 when we all know they totally did?

243 Guys guys guys, I don't see a very orderly circular firing squad over this minute argument. Ahem. Internet Troll's self-esteem is at stake here.

244 As long as the Donks/progressives appeal to the LIV's with the "free shit" and "Obamaphones", the conservatives/GOP are going to have a bitch of a time getting responsible people into office - not just at the Federal level, but the state and local level.  American culture has changed, courtesy of the progs and Hollywierd, with the "entertainment" that is on the boob tube and what is seen in the press and online.  Break the current paradigm of "Honey Boo Boo" and "Kardashian" bull crap and start showing people who are making it on their own, with no help from the government facing daily problems... and winning, and it will be a start in the right direction.

245 Frankly, I think America is doomed anyway.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 18, 2013 02:54 PM (6zgse)

 

 

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I'm afraid I must agree with you.  There was a reason  that I wrote "the United States,  as we've known it, has ceased to exist" on election night.  

 

This country has entered the territory that our founders and countless others warned us about.  We now live in a tyranny.  Freedom is only relative now.

 

The only thing that could save us right now is for the Baraka regime to overstep, and cause open, armed rebellion.  But I'm not holding my breath on that happening.  If we were to have a rebellion, it would have happened when they passed Ocare. 

 

It's like the quote from "Star Wars".  "So this is how a republic dies.  Thunderous applause". 

246 one last time, the fucking labor participation force has been lowered. It's the goddamned denominator.
Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 18, 2013 03:21 PM (QxSug)

The labor force is calculated as the sum of those employed and those unemployed (rather than not employed).  The unemployed consists of those considered to be actively looking for work.  Under Obama, we've had the lengthiest weak labor market since the Great Depression, and this has caused many people to stop actively looking for work, meaning they're no longer counted as unemployed and so no longer counted as part of the labor force.  This has disguised the true  unemployment situation, making it seem as though unemployment (as calculated by the 'official' U-3 rate) had peaked at 10% and has since declined to under 8%.  If the labor force participation rate were held constant, then the U-3 rate would have been around 11% for over 3 years now with fairly little change.  But this is a consequence of definitions of unemployment and labor force that have been used since 1948.

247 Mark Levin blasts both barrels at Scarborough;

Mark Levin: Joe Scarborough ‘a rambling, marbled-mouth buffoon with that ditz sitting next to you’


http://tinyurl.com/bmvgbnl

248 "It appears, coincidentally, that those are the very things happening right now," Would that be in the urban areas or the suburban areas, there, Dr. Ben? I get confused when you discuss freedoms since you put a regional asterisk next to MY freedoms.

249 You will notice I addressed the issue because it was raised. I didn't address the troll because that's a fucking waste of time.

250 247 Mr Moo moo,

quit trying to finesse the issue and parse it to nothing.

U3 at 4.5% under Bush "oh noes eleventy!" U3 "down" (by attrition to U6) 7.9% "happy days are here again"....

Ogabe may well be innocent of dark conspiratorial games although honestly I think the Household Survey was gamed and Solis put her hand on the scale to get it to 7.9% "just in time" but the media is absolute dogshit and should be beaten into a coma for their games on economic reporting.

251 257 Soona,

The "benefits" which are in fact the pain from Ogabecare have not fully hit yet...

get back with me next year

252 brb, filling out my bracket..

253 Why do liberals view civilization as one big game of Jenga?

254 Waiting for the the next big thing to be 'Do a Cyprus to Americans' Ya have to think the progs are watching what happens in Cyprus to tell em if it's safe to do here. If Cyprians have a little hissy-fit then go along like sheep it'll be a matter of weeks before DC lowers the boom on US bank accounts.

Think about it. The sequester is bad so we need cash. The House GOP are evil and won't give us more. Evil rich people. Hey, can't the FED mandate it? I bet they can. Great! Let's do it!

It's coming. Serious you guys.

255 224 Iblis, by name why choose the Islamic satan when the Ibis represents sacred powers? "I think the American Constitution is the best form of government we're going to create in an imperfect world and that classical western civ is the model for civilization. We're losing the war when we're focusing on the economy and not addressing the culture that creates it." /"With surgical precision."/ Nailed it, regarding our Constitution enunciating the best functional governance, the most symmetrical and structurally well balanced format designed for the advancement of humanity through liberty with justice. As for the classical western civ model (Greek, Roman) that inevitably fought invasive wars for conquest until over extended and conquered in kind, and culturally had as many problems with slavery and class by birth as the Hindu civilization may seem to Americans to have had with the caste system. I suggest reviewing the ideals of Darius the Great's Persian Empire that historically recognized no tolerance for religious persecution, and so far as benevolent dictatorships went, enjoyed a most harmonious mutual respect between the conquered kingdoms within his Empire and from Darius himself? Hedonist lamebrains are not satisfied to stay stuck on stupid. They ruin life for everyone else they reach.

256 I'm tired. Really, really tired.  I want to give up and say, "Fine - you wanted it, you've got it. Enjoy. Oh, and you useful idiots? When they shove your back up against the wall (don't step in the blood of the group before you), remember we told you so."


But I have an female ancestor who dragged a two-wheeled cart across the Plains and Rockies looking for a place where she might live her religion without being mobbed - with all the pleasantries that entails.


And further back on the other side I have a Huguenot ancestor, escaping the flames of the stake, who walked across France and made it, exhausted, bloodied, and broke, to these shores and kissed the first ground on which he trod.


If I give up now, I know the greeting I'll receive in Heaven. They'll look at me and say, "You pampered child of privilege, you beneficiary of our pain - how dare you say, 'It got hard and I quit.'? "

257 266. Optimus Prime: It's coming. Serious you guys. ...MF Global seized all money invested therein. NATO conducted war against Libyans in order to confiscate Libya for NATO pirating members to exploit, not for Libyans' "rights", Italy and France put their dibs on the Libyan Central Bank to confiscate all of Libya's gold reserves, etc. Globalist "too big to fail" banking corporations loot 10% "tithe" from Cypriot accounts, "because they could." As if seizing 10% has ever placated gluttons. As if once is ever enough. As if one locale is the only place targeted for plundering. Americans should strongly reconsider their bank of choice. As if robo-signing of mortgages between lenders wasn't/isn't bad enough. "Your" bank account money? It is until it isn't. Insured by the Federal Reserve? Well, that defines "insured" as fucked, tyvm Uncle Sam. Tell it to the IRS, for instance, when employed or not, you are forced to pay for ObamaCare instead of buying your groceries or paying your mortgage or your bills.

258 "It appears, coincidentally, that those are the very things happening right now," Carson noted ruefully, although he went on to say it would be a mistake to pin this entirely on Barack Obama, or any other individual.






You can blame it on Barry, the Democrat Party, the MFM, Hollywood and the "entertainment" industry, and the schools

259 I listened to his speech even though I said i didn't care about cpac. Was pleasantly surprised.

260 America: divided by Zero

261 "It appears, coincidentally, that those are the very things happening
right now..."

I just saw the Dark Knight Rises and it blew me away. You think any of the libs out there recognized the end stage of this OWS/Class Warfare state we are in?

262 One way to destroy America? Spell it "Ameirca" in your post's title...

263 It's spelled "America", btw.

264 20 If someone talks a good game about what sound like conservative values, but they are a fan of gun control, that means all the rest of their line of patter is just hollow hooey. In the crunch, they'll fold and go from solid to squishy. They can not be trusted. - I think that works because what matters is whether people want to win. Republicans and have a lot of phony issues, where the point is to exploit the base for votes but never deliver the goods. For example, the GOP has been all for the defense of the traditional definition of marriage, but only in even numbered years. For another example, it took me the longest time to realize that the GOP has no intention of overturning Roe v Wade, ever. They exploit pro-lifers for votes, but they will never deliver the goods. Gunners are different. They want to win and they are winning, partly because they trust in their own or organizations and not the GOP. Anyone who claims to be all for conservative issues - except if conservatives might actually win, in which case they fold - is a phony. Only pro-gun conservatives can be taken seriously.