May 08, 2013

Benghazi Hearings Have Begun
— Ace

Below, a couple of streaming links. I think this is YouTube's first live-streamed committee hearing

It's also on CSPAN, and live-streamed at this link.

Added: Below, "The Hillary Shuffle," aka "What Difference Does It Make?," created by @mamaswati, via @ameliahammy.

Opening Statements: Issa called for Cummings to join him in getting to the truth. Cummings claimed he welcomed and supported the whistelblowers, and had written a letter to SecState Kerry asking that they be free of reprisal. That letter was sent yesterday. People have been trying to get these people protection for months.

After noting how much he loved whistlebowers, he basically said they were full of shit because Obama's people said they were.

One bit of possible news: He claims the "signature" on the order to draw down security was not Hillary Clinton's signature at all, but some kind of mechanically-added recitation of her name.

We'll see how that claim stands up.

Thompson: Per @laurawkwalker, "WH told me the FEST was taken off the table. I asked why. WH said "not the right time for them to go in".

FEST is an acronym for "Foreign Emergency Support Team." It's a group tasked with rapid response to terrorism against US interests abroad.

Cummings to Hicks: "Death is Part of Life." Waxing philosophical about the inevitability of death -- "What difference does it possibly make?," redux -- he tells Hicks he "feels his pain."

For his part, Hicks had testified that the hospital to which Stevens was brought was under Ansar al-Islam's control.

Posted by: Ace at 07:39 AM | Comments (517)
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1

But what difference does it make?

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 08, 2013 07:40 AM (eytER)

2 hey Issa, no one wants to hear what you have to say Just ask good questions and let the facts speak for themselves

Posted by: Jose at May 08, 2013 07:40 AM (zc/sw)

3 Eeyore is here.

Posted by: Body Builder at May 08, 2013 07:40 AM (DrC22)

4 Alright, Horde.  I'm not able to watch live, so I'm depending on you guys to keep me in the loop.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 08, 2013 07:40 AM (fwARV)

5 This entire thread should be composed of, "What difference does it make!!!".

Posted by: Moron 5 [/i] at May 08, 2013 07:41 AM (U2UQk)

6 Nothing to see here .... move along. 

Look Squirrel !

Posted by: Paladin at May 08, 2013 07:41 AM (LTquJ)

7 Finally!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:41 AM (7mQyC)

8 But what difference does it make? Little at this point. The regime and their State-run media kept this out of the news and away from the low-info voters long enough to get the JEF safely re-elected. The dead will still be dead and the Commie in Chief will serve his second term, and we're left, as always, scrabbling for scraps.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 08, 2013 07:42 AM (7ObY1)

9 Who are some of the Dems on this committee?

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 07:42 AM (G+Wff)

10 I want them to drop names and dates.

Posted by: EC at May 08, 2013 07:42 AM (GQ8sn)

11

Missles to land in Syria in 5, 4, 3, 2, ....

Posted by: Barry O'Patton at May 08, 2013 07:42 AM (vBe2f)

12 Fourth Benghazi witness gagged by red tape 10:08 AM 05/08/2013 Obama administration officials are finally letting the attorney for a Benghazi whistle-blower get a security clearance — but the clearance is at such a low level that it will probably slow the congressional probe of how the administration handled last year’s terrorist attack on the embassy in Benghazi, Libya. Victoria Toensing represents an unnamed government official who can help explain the reaction of top government officials to the jihadi attack on the U.S diplomatic site in Benghazi and killed four Americans last Sept. 11. The official may also be able to explain if officials rewrote intelligence reports and took other actions to minimize media coverage of the administration’s errors and the perceived role of Al Qaeda jihadis. http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/08/fourth-benghazi-witness-gagged-by-red-tape/#ixzz2SiTCWqBm

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 07:42 AM (r2PLg)

13 Already they are grandstanding. I hate that shit. Get to it!

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 07:43 AM (sXWmd)

14 Indeed BlueStateRebel - Their mission has already been accomplished.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:43 AM (7mQyC)

15

How much you want to bet that the "Stupid Party" f**ks this up?

Posted by: dan-O at May 08, 2013 07:43 AM (Yu2MC)

16 off topic but a little shocking, "Air Force strips 17 officers of power to launch intercontinental nuclear missiles"

http://tinyurl.com/c4owj9r





Posted by: Caustic at May 08, 2013 07:44 AM (/b8+5)

17 Well I'm sure the media will go with wall-to-wall coverage and analysis of these hearings, just like they did with the Watergate hearings back in the '70s.  Even more so- after all, nobody died at Watergate.  So they'll be all over this story like a cheap suit and they'll follow it wherever it leads- right up to the President himself if that's where it goes.  After all I'm sure the media is just chock-full of anxious young reporters just chomping on the bit to be this century's Woodward and Bernstein.

Right?

Who the f*ck am I kidding?

That creaking sound you hear is the cast iron cover of the Memory Hole being pulled open...

Note to the media: 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.

Posted by: Nighthawk at May 08, 2013 07:44 AM (OtQXp)

18 What difference does what make?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at May 08, 2013 07:44 AM (FcR7P)

19 http://cbsstlouis.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/rally-squirrel1.jpg

Don't know how to do the tiny-url thingy.

Posted by: Paladin at May 08, 2013 07:44 AM (LTquJ)

20 Issa began by not grandstanding,  but solemnly reading the victims/ names.  Says relatives are in the audieince,  and they deserve the answers they were promised.

Also detailed how Pickering and Mullen refused to meet with them or testify, and also detailed numerous examples of how the  administration is refusing to cooperate, either refusing or ignoring requests.  (Did this with details and dates.)  

Now Elijah Cummings is up and is not sounding political and welcomes the whistleblowers.  This of course may be a ruse.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 07:44 AM (GoIUi)

21 Benghazi hearings - screaming live.

Posted by: Roy at May 08, 2013 07:45 AM (VndSC)

22 "I wanna be clear!"

WTF is wrong with these unclear Democrats?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 08, 2013 07:45 AM (Yr6sH)

23 12 Fourth Benghazi witness gagged by red tape 10:08 AM 05/08/2013 .... http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/08/fourth-benghazi-witness-gagged-by-red-tape/#ixzz2SiTCWqBm Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 11:42 AM (r2PLg) Call him/her anyway. Repeated testimony of "I'm not allowed to discuss that" would be very enlightening.

Posted by: jwb7605 ([i][u]Let it Burn[/u][/i])[/s][/b] at May 08, 2013 07:45 AM (Qxe/p)

24 Cummings stall tactics,..stuttering jackass.....

Posted by: Barry O'Patton at May 08, 2013 07:45 AM (vBe2f)

25

Why can't we just let Sharyl Attkisson do all the questioning?

in a thong and stompy boots?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 08, 2013 07:45 AM (SO2Q8)

26 wow Issa starts the hearing by picking a fight with Cummings way to stay on point and not make this look political dumbass

Posted by: Jose at May 08, 2013 07:46 AM (zc/sw)

27 Who are some of the Dems on this committee?

$5 says "Hard Core Commies".

Posted by: Paladin at May 08, 2013 07:46 AM (LTquJ)

28 I love my mute button.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 07:46 AM (X6akg)

29 #15 Given the track record, count on it Dan-o.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:46 AM (7mQyC)

30 ...seas boiling, the dead rising from the gave, three Ace posts before noon, dogs and cats living together - Mass Hysteria!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 07:46 AM (/b6Wn)

31 Most media are going ga-ga over the kidnapped women story... Benghazi? What's Benghazi?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 07:46 AM (9+ccr)

32 "Missles to land in Syria in 5, 4, 3, 2, ...." --- More like Amanda Berry to give press conference in 3..2.. on-air.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:47 AM (7mQyC)

33 Still want to know where the supposed 30 injured people are?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 07:48 AM (9+ccr)

34 Jesus this guy can't even pronounce Aviano.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:48 AM (7mQyC)

35 Call him/her anyway. Repeated testimony of "I'm not allowed to discuss that" would be very enlightening. Posted by: jwb7605 (Let it Burn) at May 08, 2013 11:45 AM (Qxe/p) ****** That would be one tactic. Cummings is filibustering--talking about what he wants to know --and then answering himself. Can't pronounce Aviano to save his life--testifying for Dempsey-now.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 07:48 AM (r2PLg)

36 Looks like E. Cummings is flapping around at some type of retrograde damage control....go figure

Posted by: Barry O'Patton at May 08, 2013 07:49 AM (vBe2f)

37 Cummings is a waste of skin.


Posted by: Attila at May 08, 2013 07:49 AM (Cs2tJ)

38

Now what if these 3 men disavow what Cummings is now saying?

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 07:49 AM (G+Wff)

39
Remember this Time magazine cover?

http://tinyurl.com/mv6a2r

Good times.

Posted by: dan-O at May 08, 2013 07:49 AM (Yu2MC)

40 "Welcome, whistleblowers....now sit there silently while I talk."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs to skip the beer and go straight to tequila at May 08, 2013 07:49 AM (ZKzrr)

41 How about we thoroughly investigate those high ranking military officials comments too. ...and here it is Cummings "this is all political".

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:49 AM (7mQyC)

42 I remember when Ronald Reagan sent planes across Europe, over the Mediterranean, and over Libya to blow Kadhaffi duck out of his tent. Felt proud to be 'merican in those days.

Posted by: Moron 5 [/i] at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (U2UQk)

43 Cummings now accusing them of wanting to use their testimonies for political purposes--before they testify.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (r2PLg)

44 Couldn't the island tip over?

Posted by: mesablue at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (3ZdkQ)

45 Elijah Cummings  "let me be clear" I will make sure this soon will past.

Posted by: Howard Cosell at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (to/4w)

46 Now Cummings is whining about "attacks" on Obama. I'm sure he really wants to get to the bottom of the matter.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (6zgse)

47 Cummings saying military couldn't get there in time.

Says he is sorry,  but this is the testimony Congress has received.

Oh,  I knew it was too good to be true.  Now,  "full-scale media campaign in an effort to smear"  etc. blah, blah.   (Obvious attack on Fox.)

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (GoIUi)

48 Testimony should begin with: "I don't know what the fuck that guy was talking about, but here's how shit actually went down..."

Posted by: [/i][/b] at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (Vgn84)

49 Chaffitz said that not a single Democrat went down to review what little info they were given on this... Not one...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (9+ccr)

50 ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Yawn.  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (wbmaj)

51 Is it just me or has Cummings taken about 80,000 words to say "At This Point What Difference Does It Make?"

Posted by: Nighthawk at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (OtQXp)

52 Cummings now bragging about a plane leaving already-- The plane that Doherty commandeered--a LIBYAN jet.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (r2PLg)

53 Well, I guess there's no point to have this hearing since Cummings is explaining everything! Shut up and let the witnesses talk.

Posted by: Mainah at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (659DL)

54 PHWEET!

Posted by: Bigby's Whistling Fingers at May 08, 2013 07:50 AM (KaYBn)

55 A vast right wing conspiracy!!!

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 07:51 AM (G+Wff)

56 so  it really isn't a question of settling the allegations,

this has already been done!

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 07:51 AM (nqBYe)

57 Oh, 'the military chain of command' is the one to blame, you guys.

( jeezus, my head hurts already )

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 08, 2013 07:51 AM (Yr6sH)

58 We don't need no testifyifications!

Posted by: mesablue at May 08, 2013 07:51 AM (3ZdkQ)

59 44 Tasker as opposed to this same fucker under Bush...

assholes the lot of 'em

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 08, 2013 07:51 AM (LRFds)

60 I guess we don't need to hear from the witnesses now, thanks to Mr. Cummings DOING ALL THE TALKING. STFU and listen, Cummings.

Posted by: Jason M at May 08, 2013 07:51 AM (Be0fb)

61 What is this a filibuster? Chairmen time to ask if the gentlemen would yield so we could you know like get on with the hearing?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:51 AM (7mQyC)

62 I wish they would stop with this effing 'in time'.....that's a hindsight declaration. 

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 07:51 AM (X6akg)

63 I guess the Dems have studied their obama talking points real well....

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 07:52 AM (9+ccr)

64 Hi Elijah, how about getting on with the investigation so that we can actually find out what happened? Rather than you telling us what happened.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 07:52 AM (6zgse)

65 These hearings are always worthless now. They grandstand and they do nothing with the testimony.  Holder committed perjury in the Issa hearing on Fast and Furious and he is still walking around.


Hillary committed Perjury in the last Benghazi hearing and she is walking around.


Issa is interested in nothing but TV face time and scoring political points. Piss on him.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 07:52 AM (53z96)

66 Testifying for Clapper--the public NEVER got to hear Clapper testify did they?

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 07:52 AM (r2PLg)

67 It was a long time ago.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at May 08, 2013 07:52 AM (A0sHn)

68 58 Weft-Cut-Loop,

If only there were some elected position that gave the civilian population of the United States control + RESPONSIBILITY over the US military.....

what would we call is Congresscritter?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 08, 2013 07:52 AM (LRFds)

69 Why is that idiot Cummings (D-ouchebag) already contradicting the witnesses before they even said a word?

Posted by: Ma Bell at May 08, 2013 07:52 AM (RLdcX)

70 " I respect the witnesses" but you don't know the full story, you were only directly involved or something... omg

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:53 AM (7mQyC)

71

How long do each of these dimwits get to speak?

Cummings shut up.

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 07:53 AM (G+Wff)

72 i respect the winess's here today..
but this is not the  full story


blah.

fgs

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 07:53 AM (nqBYe)

73 Phew. He's finally shut up.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 07:53 AM (6zgse)

74 Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 11:52 AM (53z96) Okay, so what should be done? Let's say I grant you everything you said as being true, what is your suggested alternative? I'm not being snotty, I am genuinely interested in hearing what people think would be an alternative.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 07:53 AM (VtjlW)

75 bipartisan concern..

yeah , i'm feeling it.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 07:53 AM (nqBYe)

76 You can tell Cummings has had his ass briefed off for the last few weeks, and had his bullshit script locked and loaded for this event.

Posted by: Pipe Holder at May 08, 2013 07:54 AM (VTeUD)

77 Well we all knew this was going to be a protect obama at all costs type of hearing by the dems. Sure they have some good dirt on the Whistle bloweres...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 07:54 AM (9+ccr)

78 R-E-S-P-E-C-T doesn't mean a thing to me......

Posted by: mesablue at May 08, 2013 07:54 AM (3ZdkQ)

79 Issa to Cummings: All that spittle was for nothing. Now let's hear the actual witnesses, of whom you are not one, jerk. (loose paraphrase)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 07:54 AM (6zgse)

80 I'm not being snotty, I am genuinely interested in hearing what people think would be an alternative.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 11:53 AM (VtjlW)


Issa should have filed charges of perjury in both cases and turned it over to an independent counsel.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 07:54 AM (53z96)

81 Vic,  I think Issa is so far doing pretty good.  He isn't grandstanding,  just presenting facts.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 07:54 AM (GoIUi)

82 #70 - That's apparently his given job in the hearings, everyone's got their roles today.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:55 AM (7mQyC)

83 Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 11:53 AM (VtjlW)

I'm of the mind at this point all we can do is try to put a little sunlight on things.

There's no political will for impeachments or trying cabinet level officials. We lost our good will on Clinton for that.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 07:55 AM (qr78K)

84 If only there were some elected position that gave the civilian population of the United States control + RESPONSIBILITY over the US military.....

Posted by: sven10077

It would have to be massive ... something on the order of a chief executive officer of the United States or something.

Nah, we don't have none of those.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 08, 2013 07:55 AM (Yr6sH)

85 Cummings is nervous...he knows this will not be a good day.

Posted by: Howard Cosell at May 08, 2013 07:55 AM (to/4w)

86 why does it take 30 minutes before anyone is allowed to testify

Posted by: Jose at May 08, 2013 07:56 AM (zc/sw)

87 Unfortunately, the Diplomad is on a short vacation to see his kid graduate from UM. I would have enjoyed his opinion on this mess.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 07:56 AM (sXWmd)

88 87 Cummings is nervous...he knows this will not be a good day. Posted by: Howard Cosell at May 08, 2013 11:55 AM (to/4w) From your mouth to Gods ears hopefully...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 07:56 AM (9+ccr)

89 So long ago.  Is anyone still alive from that dark time?  It's not even in the encyclopedia.  Yet,  or something.

Posted by: Dang at May 08, 2013 07:56 AM (R18D0)

90 Benghazi Hearings Have Begun!!!



Get ready to GET READY!!!!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at May 08, 2013 07:56 AM (jvd3N)

91 Thompson up first. I expect his testimony to be the most damning. Highest in command for that was CONUS at the time for the State Department's counter terrorism response. The head was traveling back from Egypt IIRC--that "head" has already been used to counter Thompson even though he was traveling and not stateside at the time.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 07:56 AM (r2PLg)

92 Issa should have filed charges of perjury in both cases and turned it over to an independent counsel. Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 11:54 AM (53z96) But that presupposes that hearings took place. As I understand your position, the hearings are, in and of themselves, a waste and there is no point in holding the hearings. If there are no hearings, then there is no testimony. If there is no testimony, then there is nothing to submit. Many people, not just you, have expressed a great deal of justifiable skepticism in the hearing process. What then is the alternative?

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (VtjlW)

93 why does it take 30 minutes before anyone is allowed to testify Posted by: Jose

Showbiz.

Posted by: Dang at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (R18D0)

94 88 why does it take 30 minutes before anyone is allowed to testify Posted by: Jose at May 08, 2013 11:56 AM (zc/sw) I'm gonna assume that was rhetorical.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (da5Wo)

95 I thought Cummings would never STFU.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (lVPtV)

96 How are things In Guacamole? Is Benghazzi Still a zinger spice? Hey, everybody: http://tinyurl.com/d2fwur8!

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (21TJo)

97 Why can't they turn this over to fucking competent lawyers/examiners, and not these fucking political grandstanding hacks?  It's all about fucking face time. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (wbmaj)

98

Cummings had a long list of un's for the diplomatic service.....he left out one...UNPROTECTED!

RLTW

 

Posted by: a175darby at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (bJc04)

99 86 Weft-Cut-Loop,

We do have an election every 4 years for Chief Executive Golf Pro and the 4Star Caddy Assoc however....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (LRFds)

100 Get ready to GET READY!!!!!!
Posted by: dananjcon

I'm fixin' to get ready!

Posted by: Dang at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (R18D0)

101 Cummings- how's my ass taste?

Posted by: Barry Obama at May 08, 2013 07:57 AM (GGCsk)

102 Oh, look.  A Benghazi thread brings out the usual trolls.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 07:58 AM (lVPtV)

103 EOJ - has Drew come out to plaaaay-yaaaay yet?

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 08, 2013 07:58 AM (KjlbF)

104 Sawdust, horses, and clowns.  I hear a fucking calliope. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 07:58 AM (wbmaj)

105

"66 These hearings are always worthless now. They grandstand and they do nothing with the testimony. Holder committed perjury in the Issa hearing on Fast and Furious and he is still walking around.


Hillary committed Perjury in the last Benghazi hearing and she is walking around.


Issa is interested in nothing but TV face time and scoring political points. Piss on him."

 

 

 

 

I hear you, but if not for Issa, there would be nothing at all. Who's fault is it that those two aren't in jail? I don't really know. What does it take?

 

Posted by: Optimizer at May 08, 2013 07:58 AM (Mxt9o)

106 Remember Cankles standing in the well of the Senate with the giant headline 'Bush Knew!' ???? Yeah, good times, good times.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 08, 2013 07:58 AM (UU0OF)

107 Anyone else's shit all glitchy?

Posted by: Dang at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (R18D0)

108 Cummings looked like his first day in the shower about to be fucked senseless over a bar of soap.

Posted by: AgentLobos at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (ViCl7)

109 You're all extreme

Posted by: Jeb Bush at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (I5Yz9)

110 Has anyone used the phrase "fog of war" yet?

Because I'm guessing that's how the entire affair will be characterized in the end.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (SY2Kh)

111 Many people, not just you, have expressed a great deal of justifiable skepticism in the hearing process. What then is the alternative? Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 11:57 AM (VtjlW) 2nd look at domestic drone strikes? Sorry. I'm being flip cause I'm nervous. I have this horrid idea in my head that the witnesses will suddenly testify to the complete opposite of what's expected.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (da5Wo)

112 What country is Cummings from? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (wbmaj)

113 I guess I'll wait to see what MSNBC tells what I should know about all this.

Posted by: Average Joe at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (Z5KPR)

114 99 - Nothing would come of that either except some lawyers would make some cash.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (7mQyC)

115 Guess who's not covering Benghazi?  MSDNC.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (lVPtV)

116 BREAKING NEWS: Kim Kardashian has farted!

Posted by: The MFM at May 08, 2013 07:59 AM (gvWL9)

117 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 08, 2013 08:00 AM (/PCJa)

118 One bit of possible news: He claims the "signature" on the order to draw down security was not Hillary Clinton's signature at all, but some kind of mechanically-added recitation of her name.


Honestly? Most State Department orders are sent out by that damned machine and I don't know what the hell is going on.  I actually spend most of my days diddling Huma.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at May 08, 2013 08:00 AM (8ZskC)

119 Many people, not just you, have expressed a great deal of justifiable skepticism in the hearing process. What then is the alternative?

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 11:57 AM (VtjlW)


I have long said that it should not be congress's job to hold hearings to investigate a crime. That should be done behind closed doors to determine if it is likely a crime has taken place.  Once that has been determined congress turns it over to an independent counsel if it involves the executive branch. 


IOW, congress acts as a grand jury under a secret process.  Not getting face time in front of TV cameras.



None of that will ever happen.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:00 AM (53z96)

120 >Urgent: Cummings accuses House Oversight Cmte R’s of leaking info about Benghazi “to drum up publicity for their hearing.”
Per Pergram-Capitol Hill<

Cummings is a total dishonest hack shoe-shiner for Hillary and Obama.

I would not let the guy walk my dog.

Posted by: Marcus at May 08, 2013 08:00 AM (GGCsk)

121 Gay marriage...gun control...war on women...squirrel...

Posted by: SurferDoc at May 08, 2013 08:00 AM (6H6FZ)

122 Ace,

WaPo already fact checked the electronic signature claim.
They claimed people criticizing Hillary were "mostly false."  They gave it 4 Pinocchios, Cummings said so, so he must be right!

(Sight)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 08:01 AM (qr78K)

123 If only there were some elected position that gave the civilian population of the United States control + RESPONSIBILITY over the US military.....

Posted by: sven10077

It would have to be massive ... something on the order of a chief executive officer of the United States or something.

Nah, we don't have none of those.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 08, 2013 11:55 AM (Yr6sH)




*golf clap*



And if anyone asks, it was tachyonshuggy that came up with that first.

Posted by: EC at May 08, 2013 08:01 AM (GQ8sn)

124

One bit of possible news: He claims the "signature" on the order to draw down security was not Hillary Clinton's signature at all, but some kind of mechanically-added recitation of her name.

 

So "Auto-pen" is not good enough for the Secretary of State to authorize reduced security at a diplomatic mission, but it is good enough for the President to sign a bill into law.

 

Good to know.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 08, 2013 08:01 AM (/PCJa)

125 Quick, let's have another gay NBA player come out of the locker room closet! 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 08:01 AM (wbmaj)

126

I'm not being snotty, I am genuinely interested in hearing what people think would be an alternative.



Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 11:53 AM (VtjlW)



Issa should have filed charges of perjury in both cases and turned it over to an independent counsel.

 

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 11:54 AM (53z96)

 

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The House of Representatives  voted to find Holder in contempt of Congress.   Criminal prosecution  goes through the Justice  Department, of which Holder is the head.  If there is going to be any criminal prosecution, it will not be done under this administration.  Be realistic.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 08:01 AM (CJjw5)

127 "What country is Cummings from?" Socialist Republic of Maryland

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:01 AM (7mQyC)

128

"81 ... Issa should have filed charges of perjury in both cases and turned it over to an independent counsel."

 

 

 

If that's how it works, than why do you imagine he did not do that?

Posted by: Optimizer at May 08, 2013 08:02 AM (Mxt9o)

129 Thompson still at State when first reports came. Later when I heard the situation had involved that they had gone to a safe haven and could not find the head I recommended that FEST be deployed. Told by others that higher ups had already taken the FEST option off the table. Says he was in contact with Special Operations Command-- JSOC?

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:02 AM (r2PLg)

130 Watergate didn't have a body count. (Time to resurrect this one)

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 08, 2013 08:02 AM (eTjv9)

131

Well I'm sure the media will go with wall-to-wall coverage and analysis of these hearings, just like they did with the Watergate hearings back in the '70s. Even more so- after all, nobody died at Watergate. So they'll be all over this story like a cheap suit and they'll follow it wherever it leads- right up to the President himself if that's where it goes. After all I'm sure the media is just chock-full of anxious young reporters just chomping on the bit to be this century's Woodward and Bernstein.

 

Forget Watergate.  How about their coverage of the Iran Contra?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 08, 2013 08:02 AM (/PCJa)

132 Cummings is so dumb, he makes rocks looks intelligent.

Actually, he's an insult to cogitating rocks.

Posted by: Marcus at May 08, 2013 08:02 AM (GGCsk)

133

Cummings is making Maxine Waters look like a Mensa candidate.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 08, 2013 08:03 AM (Z5KPR)

134 Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 12:00 PM (53z96)


Uhh... this would be the opposite of transparency. It's a bad idea.  Even if the courts ensure that people aren't unfairly convicted, a political congress could destroy people by bringing charges against people to drive them into bankruptcy defending themselves.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 08:03 AM (qr78K)

135 "Tyranny of distance" "With 8 or 8 hrs to get across the Med" Recommended that FEST get going, and not wait because you are unsure of what is going on.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:03 AM (r2PLg)

136 #128, we don't need that the press is more interested in the missing women story...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 08:03 AM (9+ccr)

137 Forget Watergate. How about their coverage of the Iran Contra? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 08, 2013 12:02 PM (/PCJa) What I learned from Iran Contra was that committee hearings get "guaranteed testimony" nowdays (Ollie North).

Posted by: jwb7605 ([i][u]Let it Burn[/u][/i])[/s][/b] at May 08, 2013 08:04 AM (Qxe/p)

138 Forget Watergate. How about their coverage of the Iran Contra Bush's TNG documents? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 08, 2013 12:02 PM (/PCJa) Fixed for Absurdity

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 08, 2013 08:04 AM (da5Wo)

139

128 Quick, let's have another gay NBA player come out of the locker room closet!

-------

What? You need me NOW?

Posted by: Jason Kidd at May 08, 2013 08:04 AM (Z5KPR)

140 But first, let's check in on Punxatawney Phil. Hey, he's sort of a squirrel.

Posted by: The MFM at May 08, 2013 08:04 AM (FcR7P)

141 OT Important breaking news -- 105 year old woman reveals her secret to long life...........bacon.
 
http://tinyurl.com/cx8yztr
 
(h/t Drudge)
 
I now return you to your regular bitching.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 08, 2013 08:04 AM (ccXZP)

142 Cummings looked like his first day in the shower about to be fucked senseless over a bar of soap.

Posted by: AgentLobos at May 08, 2013 11:59 AM (ViCl7)

 

He always looks like this. He is a bumbling fool. He probably has to wear slip ons because he can't tie his shoes.  What worse is people vote idiots like this used piec of toilet paper into office

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 08, 2013 08:04 AM (nTgAI)

143 >>> One bit of possible news: He claims the "signature" on the order to draw down security was not Hillary Clinton's signature at all, but some kind of mechanically-added recitation of her name.

Are you kidding, or is this for real?

The whole point of an auto-signature or electronic signature is that it is supposed to be equivalent to a real signature, but more convenient.  If this isn't the case, then why do these even exist? 

This is so ludicrous, please tell me people aren't taking this seriously.

Posted by: dan-O at May 08, 2013 08:04 AM (Yu2MC)

144 IOW, congress acts as a grand jury under a secret process. Not getting face time in front of TV cameras. None of that will ever happen. Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 12:00 PM (53z96) You honestly believe that having less public accountability of elected officials is a better system? Okay then. I don't agree, at all, that having secret hearings is better, but at least you presented an alternative framework. I can see situations where that would be viable, I am simply disinclined to what more closed doors rather than less. See re: bias discussion in prior thread.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 08:05 AM (VtjlW)

145 Cummings is my congresscritter.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 08, 2013 08:05 AM (UypUQ)

146 I think he makes the point that we work for the Chief of Mission the guys on the ground-- IN LIBYA--they are the EXPERTS as to what is going on.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:05 AM (r2PLg)

147 The House of Representatives voted to find Holder in contempt of Congress. Criminal prosecution goes through the Justice Department, of which Holder is the head. If there is going to be any criminal prosecution, it will not be done under this administration. Be realistic.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 12:01 PM (CJjw5)


He was held in contempt of congress for refusing to provide document they wanted; not for committing a felony.  They can send federal marshals to arrest people and have in the past.


Realistic is what I said at the end; it will never happen; particularly in this day and age because Republicans in congress have zero balls.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:05 AM (53z96)

148 Why is Fox's feed a second slower than CNN?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 08, 2013 08:05 AM (wR+pz)

149 Just curious; will Hillary come out as gay and therefore hurdle more substantive issues like her poor decision making and political hackery which led to the death of four Americans including the only Ambassador to be killed in an attack since 1979  ?

Posted by: Marcus at May 08, 2013 08:05 AM (GGCsk)

150 but some kind of mechanically-added recitation of her name

Obama's auto-pen is not amused by this kind of thinking.

If we could invalidate all auto-pen signed stuff, I'd be down with that.

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 08, 2013 08:05 AM (/gHaE)

151 Anyone else's shit all glitchy?
Posted by: Dang at May 08, 2013 11:59 AM (R18D0)

**



The shit just got glitchy. Don't be surprised if the interwebs magically goes down today ala Syria. I put nothing past the tyrants.


Posted by: dananjcon at May 08, 2013 08:06 AM (jvd3N)

152 MFM: Hearings? What hearings? Anything about brave, bold courageous gay athletes?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 08, 2013 08:06 AM (1Jaio)

153 151 Why is Fox's feed a second slower than CNN? Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 08, 2013 12:05 PM (wR+pz) Electron priority.

Posted by: jwb7605 ([i][u]Let it Burn[/u][/i])[/s][/b] at May 08, 2013 08:06 AM (Qxe/p)

154 Good! I made it home in time to catch the hearing. Caught Cummings being his usual dick self.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 08:06 AM (piMMO)

155 Anyone else's shit all glitchy?
Posted by: Dang at May 08, 2013 11:59 AM (R18D0)

**



The shit just got glitchy. Don't be surprised if the interwebs magically goes down today ala Syria. I put nothing past the tyrants.


As for the trolls, tin foil hat this you c-suckers.
 

Posted by: dananjcon at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (jvd3N)

156 155 MFM: Hearings? What hearings? Anything about brave, bold courageous gay athletes? Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 08, 2013 12:06 PM (1Jaio) No, but we do have those kidnapped women to exploit... Sincerely, The MSM

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (9+ccr)

157 You honestly believe that having less public accountability of elected officials is a better system? Okay then. I don't agree, at all, that having secret hearings is better, but at least you presented an alternative framework.


Do you honestly think you are getting public accountability now?  The outcome of these hearings was determine weeks ago and everything here is pre-scripted.


And Grand Jury hearings are secret, why should these be any different.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (53z96)

158 MSNBC Breaking live shot: Chris Matthews in a white bronco car chase with himself.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (7mQyC)

159

EOJ - has Drew come out to plaaaay-yaaaay yet?


 

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 08, 2013 11:58 AM (KjlbF)

 

--------------------------

 

Of course not.  But he will.  And here is my prediction:

 

Regardless of whatever damning testimony  is given,  he will say, "Well, Hillary and Obama  said there was nothing they could do, and this fag at Politico that I linked  agrees,  so it's their word against theirs.   I have not seen any evidence  that satisfies me  that there were  assets available that could have responded in time  to these attacks."

 

Print that shit out and refer back to it.  You know it's coming.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (CJjw5)

160

The whole point of an auto-signature or electronic signature is that it is supposed to be equivalent to a real signature, but more convenient. If this isn't the case, then why do these even exist?

This is so ludicrous, please tell me people aren't taking this seriously.

 

I would only take it seriously in a "from now on" sort of way.  I've always been a little dubious of such things- how do you verify the person signing is who you think they are?  Who else, for instance, has access to Hillary's auto-pen?

 

That said- if they're accepted as legitimate, then they're accepted as legitimate, and you would have to go to some lengths to prove that the "signature" in question was either not authentic or otherwise not authorized.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (/PCJa)

161 Good! I made it home in time to catch the hearing.

Caught Cummings being his usual dick self.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 12:06 PM (piMMO)




Sandy Fluke: Cummings? Who's cumming?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (1Jaio)

162 You know what I remember about Watergate besides no dead people, it preempted my fucking cartoons. When you are 6 or 7, and all 3 channels have some stupid government shit, it sucks ass. Today, kids can watch all the cartoons they want because Benghazi is not going to be on any TV.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (UU0OF)

163 To bring a little joy amidst all the depressing and discouraging coverage of Benghazi, there are still some brave Britons in England.  Alf, 60 years of age and second in command of the Earl of Northampton's Regiment of Foote, was just going to get a paper when he heard someone yell for the clerk to open the till.  Alf tried the reasonable approach first saying we can open the till no problem.  Well the attacker decided to attack Alf.  Alf, using the skills he learned as a Cavalier, quickly disarmed the thug.  Not admitting defeat the thug pulled another knife.  And Alf disarmed him again and held him while the clerk called the Bobbies.  For his heroic actions, Alf has been awarded the Police Public Bravery Award.  In hindsight Alf thinks he was a right lucky fool but is modest and thinks the truly brave are the lads and lasses serving in the military.

Well Alf, I think you are a true hero.
http://tinyurl.com/9cet2js

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (vk/Xp)

164 Wait, let me get this straight. A guy that made billions off car alarms can't sell any to our government to protect our soldiers? This hearing is nothing but a sales talk for Issa.

Posted by: The Kos Kids at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (wR+pz)

165

151 Why is Fox's feed a second slower than CNN?

-----

They filter out all the crap.

Posted by: FCC Guy at May 08, 2013 08:07 AM (Z5KPR)

166 Why is Fox's feed a second slower than CNN?


Hate photons are naturally slower than compassion photons.  Einstein figured that one out years ago.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 08, 2013 08:08 AM (8ZskC)

167 That such a signficant and important cable / order would have been signed by an auto-pen is just as damning about incompetence and lack of leadership  to me as Hillary signing it herself. 

Posted by: polynikes at May 08, 2013 08:08 AM (m2CN7)

168 81 "Issa should have filed charges of perjury in both cases and turned it over to an independent counsel." 1. Neither Issa nor Congress has the authority to 'file charges of perjury'. Congress can vote to act on contempt OR ELSE refer a matter of suspected criminality, such as perjured testimony, to the US DoJ for consideration for prosecution. 2. There is no such animal as "independent counsel"; the Republican-dominated Congress and a Republican president eliminated the independent counsel law over a decade ago. The Scooter Libby prosecution, for example, was NOT a case of prosecution by "independent counsel". Rather, it was a specifically referred assignment by the Deputy AG where the AG himself determined he was incapacitated by conflict of interest, pursuant to which the assigned prosecutor remained answerable to the AG. As it happened, not one of the AGs under President GW Bush chose to intervene to stop the assigned prosecutor from pursuing a Grand Jury investigation, from seeking and obtaining an indictment, or from prosecuting Libby under that indictment -- but at no time was it ever an "independent counsel" process.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at May 08, 2013 08:08 AM (21TJo)

169 >One bit of possible news: He claims the "signature" on the order to draw down security was not Hillary Clinton's signature at all, but some kind of mechanically-added recitation of her name.<

So, the SoS just allows her name to automatically be used yet there is no responsibility attached to it and it is some kind of...alibi that works in her favor?

Posted by: Marcus at May 08, 2013 08:08 AM (GGCsk)

170 "Cummings is my congresscritter. " -- My condolences.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:08 AM (7mQyC)

171 Holy double post.

fuggin creepy indeed.

 Strange times indeed.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (jvd3N)

172 Cummings thinks he is Candy Crawley.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (qwK3S)

173 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 12:07 PM (CJjw5) He's in too deep. Even if JEF resigns, he'll find a way to weasel out of it.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (xAtAj)

174 But, but the video. the video....

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (9+ccr)

175 but some kind of mechanically-added recitation of her name I've heard her speak. Handwriting analysis would probably peg her auto-pen as having more personality.

Posted by: t-bird at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (FcR7P)

176 Shut up already. "To the witnesses...." Issa and Cummings keep babbling.

Posted by: Beagle at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (sOtz/)

177 Also, I didn't read any of that shit before I signed it.  That's a recognized legal defense.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (8ZskC)

178 MSNBC Breaking live shot: Chris Matthews in a white bronco car chase with himself.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 12:07 PM (7mQyC)

 

He was overheard singing " 99 bottles of gin on then wall"

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (nTgAI)

179 Issa is a worthless hack. Fuck him.

Posted by: Attila at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (Cs2tJ)

180 Are we entering the Twilight Zone, where using an "auto pen" has no responsibility attached to it?

Should we declare null and void everything Obama signed with his auto pen?

Posted by: Marcus at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (GGCsk)

181 Nordstrom breaking down.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:09 AM (r2PLg)

182 Nordstrom is getting emotional....

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (X6akg)

183 >>Print that shit out and refer back to it. You know it's coming.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 12:07 PM (CJjw5)<<



Wouldn't bet against it.  I did buy extra popcorn so please try and make the throw down last more than one round.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (KjlbF)

184 168 151 Why is Fox's feed a second slower than CNN? ----- They filter out all the crap. Posted by: FCC Guy at May 08, 2013 12:07 PM (Z5KPR) It's NOT that SLOW.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (wR+pz)

185 So, the SoS just allows her name to automatically be used yet there is no responsibility attached to it and it is some kind of...alibi that works in her favor? Posted by: Marcus at May 08, 2013 12:08 PM (GGCsk) Obama robo-signs his letters to fallen special ops soldiers. The buck stops somewhere way the f*** over there ---->

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (xAtAj)

186 Eric Nordstrom is choking up.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (GoIUi)

187 Wow, this witness is choking up.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (6zgse)

188 Hicks demeanor: unflappable.

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (fGPLK)

189 OMG.  Nordstrom is tearing up.  He's very emotional.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (lVPtV)

190 Not watching, relying on you all. So you think Issa is doing terrible?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (9+ccr)

191 Regardless of whatever damning testimony is given, he will say, "Well, Hillary and Obama said there was nothing they could do, and this fag at Politico that I linked agrees, so it's their word against theirs. I have not seen any evidence that satisfies me that there were assets available that could have responded in time to these attacks." Print that shit out and refer back to it. You know it's coming. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 12:07 PM (CJjw5) Yesterday I pointed out to him that Woods, etc were actively painting the mortar positions. What possible explanation could there be other than that help was in the area/available. Apparently, actions aren't "facts", they're "inferences".

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (da5Wo)

192 Who else, for instance, has access to Hillary's auto-pen?

#MYPENWASHACKED

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (/gHaE)

193

Thompson: Per @laurawkwalker, "WH told me the FEST was taken off the table. I asked why. WH said "not the right time for them to go in".

 

You know... some months ago some guy with a blog took a look at a document dump, and came to the conclusion that a) the resources were available and b) only the White House (that is: the president) could have told them not to go in.

 

He followed up by labeling the President a traitor for giving "aid and comfort to the enemy" by specifically preventing reinforcements from saving our people *and then blaming a completely unrelated YouTube video.*

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 08, 2013 08:10 AM (/PCJa)

194 Does this witness give us absolute moral authority since he's choking up?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (xAtAj)

195

"190 Wow, this witness is choking up."

 

 

It's almost like he takes his job, and the lives of his fellow employees seriously, of something...

Posted by: Optimizer at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (Mxt9o)

196 Wow.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (lVPtV)

197 Late to thread.. holy crap, Nordstrom cracking....  emotional.  Awesome ... He get's it...   shit is getting real.

Posted by: Yip at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (/jHWN)

198 Who knew Auto-pen was Humna's code name?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (vk/Xp)

199 Democrats are the scum of the Earth. Worse, they allow and encourage evil greater than themselves.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (4jG14)

200 Even I want to change the channel. I know lawmakers can fill time.

Posted by: Beagle at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (sOtz/)

201 99 "Why can't they turn this over to fucking competent lawyers/examiners, and not these fucking political grandstanding hacks?" Because there's no crime being pursued, just an Impress The Homies Video Op.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (21TJo)

202 #193  Issa is doing well.  Just the facts.  No political stuff.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 08:11 AM (GoIUi)

203 205 #193 Issa is doing well. Just the facts. No political stuff. Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 12:11 PM (GoIUi) Thanks...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 08:12 AM (9+ccr)

204 These three men are so absolutely compelling, any attack on their character from the left can only be seen as an atrocity by anyone with a functioning brain.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 08:12 AM (liORJ)

205 31  Most media are going ga-ga over the kidnapped women story... Benghazi? What's Benghazi?
*
*
Of course.  It's a welcome distraction, so they can say, "We didn't have time to cover the hearings."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 08, 2013 08:12 AM (BDU/a)

206 #NOTMYSIGNATURE

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 08, 2013 08:12 AM (/gHaE)

207 If this were an opera, they'd have Crawley strapped at the end of a block and tackle and drop her from the ceiling during the middle of testimony to "correct" the witnesses.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (qwK3S)

208 Issa to Hicks: Please take us threw the events of 9/11/12...take as much time as you want.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (X6akg)

209

"207 These three men are so absolutely compelling, any attack on their character from the left can only be seen as an atrocity by anyone with a functioning brain."

 

 

 

So, what's your point?

 

;-)

Posted by: Optimizer at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (Mxt9o)

210

Nordstrom, "It does matter"

 

 

A shot right across the jaw of Hillary.

 

 

 

Posted by: Howard Cosell at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (to/4w)

211 threw=through....geez

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (X6akg)

212 why are they speaking of sept 12, not sept 11?
time differences?

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (nqBYe)

213 207 These three men are so absolutely compelling, any attack on their character from the left can only be seen as an atrocity by anyone with a functioning brain. Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 12:12 PM (liORJ) Functioning brain? Now we're in trouble..

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (9+ccr)

214 Issa is a worthless hack. Fuck him.

Posted by: Attila at May 08, 2013 12:09 PM (Cs2tJ)

 

You're a worthless poster.

Posted by: polynikes at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (m2CN7)

215 To those of you who cannot watch,  this is interesting,  not a grandstand thing on the part of the GOP.  Issa is asking questions.

I wish people would quit knocking the only guy who has tried to get some answers.  This is an important hearing and people should be paying attention and not filling up the thread with bitching about what they THINK the GOP will do.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 08:13 AM (GoIUi)

216 "functioning brain" there is the bug in your logic.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2013 08:14 AM (vk/Xp)

217 nevermind ,libyan times


Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 08:14 AM (nqBYe)

218
How much you want to bet that the "Stupid Party" f**ks this up?

In order of likelihood:

1. They'll forgo tough questions in favor of bloviating in front of the cameras, expressing their outrage, etc.

2. They'll allow outrageous comments, and answers to stand in order to revisit #1.

3. The squishies will try to tone everything down...refer to democrats as their 'friends on the other side of the aisle', in order to appear 'reasonable' for the cameras. See #1.

4. The dems will be allowed to derail questioning in order to run this train off the rails to talk about Bush. Abortion. Evil guns. Etc. The stupid party will allow this to happen, since they'll be focused on silently rehearsing their lines for when it's their turn to address the cameras. See #1.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at May 08, 2013 08:14 AM (0IhFx)

219 Cummings just went hyperpartisan. Why bother with the first ten minutes of BS?

Posted by: Beagle at May 08, 2013 08:14 AM (sOtz/)

220 You're a worthless poster.

Posted by: polynikes at May 08, 2013 12:13 PM (m2CN7)


Eat my ass.


Posted by: Attila at May 08, 2013 08:15 AM (Cs2tJ)

221 How does this help the children? It was a long time ago. The video. Can I suck you dick?

Posted by: The Kos Kids at May 08, 2013 08:15 AM (wR+pz)

222 This is riveting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 08:15 AM (lVPtV)

223
Many people, not just you, have expressed a great deal of justifiable skepticism in the hearing process. What then is the alternative?

Tar, & Feathers ...some assembly required!  Oh, and a Rail.

Posted by: Paladin at May 08, 2013 08:15 AM (LTquJ)

224 "If we could invalidate all auto-pen signed stuff, I'd be down with that." But then it would invalidate that ridiculous and amateurish Cold War Service certificate I got a few years ago! (Honestly, my kindergarten certificate looked better)

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 08, 2013 08:15 AM (eTjv9)

225 Eat my ass. Posted by: Attila at May 08, 2013 12:15 PM (Cs2tJ) Call me.

Posted by: Barney at May 08, 2013 08:15 AM (wR+pz)

226 BREAKING: The State Department reports that in early 2012 its auto-pens achieved self-awareness.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 08, 2013 08:15 AM (8ZskC)

227 This guy Hicks is a smooth operator.

Posted by: mesablue at May 08, 2013 08:16 AM (3ZdkQ)

228

I will check the reports, but don't the Admin hacks "testify" only on the condition it not be under oath? Hillary may not be subject to perjury charges if her statement was not a sworn statement. Same with Holder. Still, it would be fun to charge them anyway just to hear them say "I wasn't under oath." Thing is the LIVs probably wouldn't understand why that is funny.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at May 08, 2013 08:16 AM (qwK3S)

229 Did I mistype??? I meant to state that given their impeccable credentials and direct involvement in the affairs at hand, only a lunatic would try to assassinate their character. Oh, wait...I get it now.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 08:16 AM (liORJ)

230 Cummings has already x3ed Issa and he's warming up. I would tase him, bro.

Posted by: Beagle at May 08, 2013 08:16 AM (sOtz/)

231 #226  Yes,  it is riveting.  Hicks is now giving an account of who he contacted after Stevens told him they were under attack.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 08:16 AM (GoIUi)

232 If you had the choice of a self-aware auto-pen or Kerry as Sec. of State, choose the auto-pen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2013 08:16 AM (vk/Xp)

233 annex personnel were preparing to go to embassy to assit

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 08:17 AM (nqBYe)

234 Hicks:9:45 RSO Martinec alerts him that the Consulate under attack. Two missed calls on his cell--one from Stevens. Punched number he didn't recognize--and got Stevens-- "Greg, we are under attack!" Okay--line cut. Bad night in Libya for cell phone connections. John Martinec on phone with Consulate RSO Alec Henderson mentions Scott Wilkin (?) Stevens personal guard. They tell Martinec 20 people have breached the Consulate and are inside.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:17 AM (r2PLg)

235

Cummings just went hyperpartisan.

 

Shocking, right?

 

The Democrats painted themselves into a corner months ago on this.  They could (should) have come out Fast and Furious against the President, and demanded answers then.  At least, they could/should have let the Republicans do so without trying to counter them particularly.  Instead, they actively took the Administration's side- a side which was transparantly the wrong one from the beginning.

 

If this gets any legs (and that's a big if), this is the kind of thing that not only brings down an Administration, but gives control of government to the other party for a generation.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 08, 2013 08:17 AM (/PCJa)

236

 Yes, it is riveting. Hicks is now giving an account of who he contacted after Stevens told him they were under attack.


 

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 12:16 PM (GoIUi)

 

-----------------

 

SWEEP THE LEG.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 08:18 AM (CJjw5)

237 than called libyan govt to assist. and leadership of libya's miliatry

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 08:18 AM (nqBYe)

238

Re the auto-pen bullshit, here's a newsflash Hillary: whether you physically signed a document or not, you're responsible for everything in it. It's like a hanko (essentially a rubber stamp) in Japan; you give someone your hanko, they now speak for you, and you are bound by whatever they do with it.

 

Otherwise, there's no point in having an auto-pen (or a hanko). Why bother to sign a document at all if that signature carries no force?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 08, 2013 08:18 AM (IDSI7)

239 but at no time was it ever an "independent counsel" process.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at May 08, 2013 12:08 PM (21TJo)


It was independent counsel in everything but name. You can call dog a rose but it still stinks and squished under your show when you step in it. 


The can file contempt of congress charges for the perjury.


Following a contempt citation, the presiding officer of the chamber is instructed to refer the matter to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia;[9] according to the law it is the "duty" of the U.S. Attorney to refer the matter to a grand jury for action.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:18 AM (53z96)

240 Clearly the NRA has funded this testimony.

Posted by: Shit the MBM comes up with that enough people swallow at May 08, 2013 08:18 AM (eTjv9)

241 Defense Air attache also calling leadership of Libyan military to ask them for assistance.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:18 AM (r2PLg)

242 then called washington to report those actions met

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 08:18 AM (nqBYe)

243 Are there subtitles for Cummings? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 08:18 AM (wbmaj)

244 Sorry. I am in the past on buffer. Like time travel by DVR. Doh.

Posted by: Beagle at May 08, 2013 08:19 AM (sOtz/)

245 229 Eat my ass.

Posted by: Attila at May 08, 2013 12:15 PM (Cs2tJ)


Call me.

Posted by: Barney at May 08, 2013 12:15 PM (wR+pz)

Don't forget about me!!!

Posted by: Reggie Love at May 08, 2013 08:19 AM (JpC1K)

246 SWEEP THE LEG. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 12:18 PM (CJjw5) Break it, rip it off and shove it right up there traitorous asses.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 08, 2013 08:19 AM (da5Wo)

247 Gee yeah mr.hicks maybe you should step back and mention that. haha

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:19 AM (7mQyC)

248 If this gets any legs (and that's a big if), this is the kind of thing that not only brings down an Administration, but gives control of government to the other party for a generation.


My friendshh, I would be humbled to lead the GOP into this bright new era.

Posted by: John McCain at May 08, 2013 08:19 AM (8ZskC)

249 Here's an example

Rita Lavelle (Republican),
EPA official April 26, 1983
House Committee on Energy and Commerce House of Representatives Indicted for lying to Congress; convicted; sentenced to 6 months in prison, 5 years probation thereafter, and a fine of $10,000
Note it was a Republican charged.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:19 AM (53z96)

250 Defense attache was also reporting to AFRICOM and to Joint back in Washington.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:19 AM (r2PLg)

251 Miss Marple.. some people just feel the need to bitch about something.  Anything.

Posted by: jewells45 at May 08, 2013 08:20 AM (l/N7H)

252 So was I mistaken or did the 19th Martyr Brigade ever get paid to guard the consulate?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2013 08:20 AM (vk/Xp)

253 New ace up

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:21 AM (53z96)

254 Quick, dig us up a lower level scape goat to take the blame now...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 08:21 AM (9+ccr)

255 nood

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 08, 2013 08:21 AM (da5Wo)

256 MFM: Anyone who participates in this committee are RACISTS who hate having a black man in the White House. Dog whistles!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 08, 2013 08:22 AM (1Jaio)

257 pray for these guys and those yet to speak that they have the courage to see this through regardless of the personal cost.  Easy for me to say, but I really believe how this is resolved will dictate whether or not we are a world leader or the worlds largest banana republic

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:22 AM (nH8jP)

258 Scott Wilklin I think is the name of the guy left in the safe room with Stevens. Attempted to lead Sean and the ambassador out of the building, tried repeatedly to go back in. CIA annex guys drove out attackers for a short time. Drove out as many as 60--it has been reported.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:22 AM (r2PLg)

259 new post similar but different.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2013 08:23 AM (nqBYe)

260 These men seem so emotional. Keeping this bottled up inside for months! It's personal to them. It's personal to the families....and should be to all of us.

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:23 AM (egHP5)

261 that are what heroes look like

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:24 AM (nH8jP)

262 All this talk of Hillary's auto-penis is getting me hot...

Posted by: Huma Weiner at May 08, 2013 08:24 AM (FcR7P)

263 The MSM will make sure this never gets legs if it's the last thing they ever do

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at May 08, 2013 08:24 AM (lmBdc)

264 Wow, Hicks is giving damning testimony.  You can tell that he is barely holding himself back from saying, "You @ssholes let Hillary lie to you!"

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 08:24 AM (kXoT0)

265

So Congress filed "charges of perjury" against Rita Lavelle and appointed their own independent counsel to prosecute her, or did they refer her to the Department of Justice for prosecution?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 08:24 AM (CJjw5)

266 Constant probing attacks for hour or two after initially driving out attackers.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:24 AM (7mQyC)

267 Only Mary Jo Kopechne could hold my interest as completely as Hicks has thus far.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 08:24 AM (liORJ)

268

very little questions, more their statements.  Given the crappy format, a good thing to do.

 

try and ignore this

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:24 AM (nH8jP)

269 Miss anything big? Fricking meeting went long.

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2013 08:25 AM (fWAjv)

270 Hicks:  Tripoli response team departs at midnight and arrives in Benghazi at 1:15 am.


Hicks to ?:  Is any help coming?  Is anything out there?


?:  The nearest help is in Aviano but it will take them 2-3 hours to get there.


Hicks:  Thank you very much.....went on with my work.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 08:25 AM (X6akg)

271 Of course I hope the dirty details come to light, but the problem I see with all this is that it's far too complicated an issue to do any real damage to Obama or Hillary. Average voter doesn't care about Libya. And if you start getting into discussion about giving the military stand down orders, etc., that's really going to cause eyes to glaze over. Had this information come out right before the election it could have tipped the scales, but right now, zero impact. I doubt it will even have much impact on 2014 congressional elections.

Posted by: Andrew at May 08, 2013 08:25 AM (HS3dy)

272 Just remember kiddies, everything was Bush's fault and still is.  But nothing is Gaylord Focker's fault.  Strange aint it.  /sarc?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2013 08:25 AM (vk/Xp)

273 Just disputed that previous 20hr BS testimony.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:26 AM (7mQyC)

274

Hicks has described the heroic efforts of personnel to repel the attackers and retrieve personnel from a raging petroleum fire.

 

Heroes the administration would rather we not know about

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:26 AM (nH8jP)

275 So Congress filed "charges of perjury" against Rita Lavelle and appointed their own independent counsel to prosecute her, or did they refer her to the Department of Justice for prosecution?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 12:24 PM (CJjw5)


They filed contempt of congress FOR perjury and followed the procedure which called for it to be turned over to the Washington District Court.  She was tried and convicted. 


I guess you could say it is the DOJ because the court does fall under the DOJ, but it did not go through any in the executive branch.  It goes strait to the court which is required to empanel a grand jury.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:27 AM (53z96)

276 I think it is time for a couple of drone attacks on Libya.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:27 AM (sXWmd)

277 ...could destroy people by bringing charges against people to drive them into bankruptcy defending themselves.

SHE who must not be named???

Posted by: Paladin at May 08, 2013 08:28 AM (LTquJ)

278 Remember if you hold the affirmative action hire accountable for his inability to do the job you're a racist.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at May 08, 2013 08:28 AM (lmBdc)

279 So they knew *immediately* that it was a terrorist attack.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 08:28 AM (6zgse)

280 But if congress had any balls they would change the law to allow them to appoint an independent counsel.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:28 AM (53z96)

281 And were anticipating another attack in Tripoli.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 08:28 AM (6zgse)

282 So the whole thing is fucking big. POS assholes - the admin. and the MSM and the blind fuckers 'what does it matter' crowd.

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2013 08:29 AM (fWAjv)

283 it was never ever in doubt by anyone that it was a terrorist attack by an Al Qaeda linked group

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:29 AM (nH8jP)

284 287 it was never ever in doubt by anyone that it was a terrorist attack by an Al Qaeda linked group Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 12:29 PM (nH8jP) Tell that to the film maker still in jail

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 08:30 AM (9+ccr)

285 281
...could destroy people by bringing charges against people to drive them into bankruptcy defending themselves.

SHE who must not be named???

=====

she who bought two mansions in 2000 with a total value of $4 million after she and hubby ran up $5 mil in unpaid legal bills (which was very rational, as opposed to fessing up and going off into obscurity.)

Posted by: mallfly at May 08, 2013 08:31 AM (bJm7W)

286 Had this information come out right before the election it could have tipped the scales, but right now, zero impact. I doubt it will even have much impact on 2014 congressional elections.

 

Posted by: Andrew at May 08, 2013 12:25 PM (HS3dy)

 

-----------------------

 

No, but it will torpedo Hillary's chances  of putting her  fat ass into the chair  behind the H.M.S. Resolute desk.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 08:31 AM (CJjw5)

287 For the rest of their lives, Hillary and Obama will have top notch 24/7/365 security so that no harm will come to them.  At our expense...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 08:31 AM (kXoT0)

288 Think we could afford Dershowitz to represent the film maker?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2013 08:31 AM (vk/Xp)

289 Are we staying on this thread?

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:31 AM (r2PLg)

290

he spoke to Clinton directly at 2 am

 

he briefed her on what he knew

 

he told her they needed to evacuate Benghazi and she agreed

 

3am, Hicks got a call from the PM of Libya telling him Stevens was dead

 

he called DC, to tell them

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:31 AM (nH8jP)

291 3am phone call how ironic

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:31 AM (7mQyC)

292 We did not find any WMDs in Iraq after Bush ordered the foreful removal of Saddam Hussien..........."What difference does that Make" ????????

Posted by: Ignoramous at May 08, 2013 08:32 AM (HlUFk)

293 Hicks is trying not to cry...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 08:32 AM (kXoT0)

294 293 - Sort of on both atm, probably should move to the new one I guess though.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:32 AM (7mQyC)

295 No, but it will torpedo Hillary's chances of putting her fat ass into the chair behind the H.M.S. Resolute desk.


Pfft.  You don't know Resolute.

Posted by: The Stalwart Stupidity of the LIV at May 08, 2013 08:32 AM (8ZskC)

296 Nevermind/ Most at new thread peeps.

Posted by: tasker at May 08, 2013 08:32 AM (r2PLg)

297 No, but it will torpedo Hillary's chances of putting her fat ass into the chair behind the H.M.S. Resolute desk.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 12:31 PM (CJjw5)


I don't think it will. She has already been blessed by Obama and the MFM will squash this.  It will be forgotten in 6 months.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:33 AM (53z96)

298 I think this woman who was carrying ammunition and smashing equipment with an axe should also be called.  She sounds like a heroine.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 08, 2013 08:33 AM (GoIUi)

299 loading ammo, smashing hard drives with an ax, lining up drivers to bug out and destroy classified info before they did

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:33 AM (nH8jP)

300 5 RSO and 4 Special Forces trainers at the extended annex tripoli compound(s) , correct?

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 08:34 AM (fGPLK)

301 SOS directly knew. Her hands are on this now, regardless of what happens she can't say she didn't know!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:35 AM (egHP5)

302 Hell, Chuck Todd is doing all he can do to squash it even now.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2013 08:35 AM (53z96)

303

asked when he planned to move the annex, he responded at dawn because they were unfamiliar with the armored vehicles and they couldn't trust/use their local drivers anymore

 

he did not want to go through the check points because he thought the militias had them and would kill them

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:35 AM (nH8jP)

304

Not Hillary's fault......Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh  Lieddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd to our Milk Chocolate Jesus'

 

Posted by: Ignoramous at May 08, 2013 08:35 AM (90aTA)

305 "The First Administration Spin on Benghazi Crumbles"- http://bit.ly/10bncfi

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at May 08, 2013 08:37 AM (YjDyJ)

306 I like how the guy kept repeating why it matters.  Intersperse that with a video loop of Hillary asking "what difference does it make?" and you got a real nice campaign ad.

Bitch is toast.

Posted by: Dang at May 08, 2013 08:37 AM (R18D0)

307    192  OMG. Nordstrom is tearing up. He's very emotional.
*
*
I get emotional, as in outraged, when I see the prices at Nordstrom's, too.

Oh, wait.  That's some other thread. 

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 08, 2013 08:38 AM (BDU/a)

308

the hospital Stevens was in was an Ansar Al Sharia (Al Qaeda) controlled hospital and they felt to retrieve the body would be a trap

 

(they were "helping him"  remember?)

 

terrorists controlled the hospital

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:38 AM (nH8jP)

309 Hell, Chuck Todd is doing all he can do to squash it even now.
Posted by: Vic

His shoes aren't big enough.

Posted by: Dang at May 08, 2013 08:38 AM (R18D0)

310 I want the truth. If nothing else, the families and loved ones of the slain deserve to know the truth. Yes, it would be nice if this hurt Obama and Hillary politically. They deserve to be hurt. But even knowing that the MSM will not let that happen, I still want the TRUTH. THAT matters in and of itself.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 08, 2013 08:39 AM (C8mVl)

311

in Tripoli, defense attaché persuaded Libyans to loan a c-130 and security to go to Benghazi

 

to send reinforcements to Benghazi with special forces troops

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:40 AM (nH8jP)

312 Not that I don't want to hear from this guy who sounds like an actor but, why can't we hear from the 12 to 15 folks mentioned by Beck who had to sign confidentiality agreements and were whisked off to Walter Reed?

Posted by: Caustic at May 08, 2013 08:40 AM (/b8+5)

313

they were told they weren't authorized to go

 

they had a vehicle and special forces troops and couldn't get permission

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 08:40 AM (nH8jP)

314 F Chuck Tard reporting....

"nothing to see here, move along...move along"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 08, 2013 08:41 AM (LRFds)

315 Hicks was ready to give up 4 of his 7 security people left to go to benzi ..."I told them to go bring our people home" to their horror they were stopped because they were not authorized. "they paid me a nice complement" (insert known comment about a State guy having more balls then military command here)

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 08:42 AM (7mQyC)

316 I seriously can't believe I'm seeing this unfold.

I was initially skeptical about making the comparison to Watergate (in terms of outcome, mind you...NOT substance), but right now, I honestly think this warrants the severest of criminal and electoral penalties.

Whether that will actually happen is debatable. But what has been heard, cannot be unheard.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 08:42 AM (liORJ)

317

Listening to Hicks at the Benghazi hearing. I know he is trying to be thoughtful and thorough in his testimony but it is coming off as confusing and hampered. Whatever emotionality he is trying to convey is not coming through. A simple statement like "I believe the Sec State is complicit in the deaths of four Americans" would force the media to cover/refute that claim. If that is what he believes. He throwing names around like an oscar award speech. Who the hell is "Jackie!" Too much info, chap! Get to the meat! Brief, quick. This guy is called the ambassadors bulldog. Be nice if he was bulldogging now.

Posted by: JDW at May 08, 2013 08:42 AM (y2RCW)

318 When "How was I supposed to know what was going on in my area of responsibility" and "What does it matter now" are credible defenses for inaction/ incompetence resulting in deaths, you know we're well and truly boned. Just remember, these people control your: - income - healthcare - retirement - schools - roads - national defense - etc. Just keep giving them all your responsibilities LIFs.

Posted by: Damiano at May 08, 2013 08:43 AM (BzT5x)

319 Cummings steps up to the plate

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 08:43 AM (liORJ)

320 SOS directly knew. Her hands are on this now, regardless of what happens she can't say she didn't know!

Posted by: Oldyfan

 

 

She will.  She will say that the situation was "fluid" and the fog of war....blah, blah.

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 08:43 AM (G+Wff)

321 Wait I'm confused - isn't Ben Gazi that gay basketball guy? This was a long time ago - what difference does it make? Look three women kidnapped ten years ago. Prince Charles won't be by-passed - supposed to get lap band instead.

Posted by: The MFM at May 08, 2013 08:43 AM (ylhEn)

322 Great. Cummings. This should get the blood pressure up.

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2013 08:43 AM (fWAjv)

323 321 SOS directly knew. Her hands are on this now, regardless of what happens she can't say she didn't know!Posted by: OldyfanShe will. She will say that the situation was "fluid" and the fog of war....blah, blah. Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 12:43 PM (G+Wff) She didn't know. That was her voicemail they were talking to. Or something.

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2013 08:44 AM (fWAjv)

324 Crap, he,s making me cry...he's so sad and seems so helpless even now.

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:44 AM (egHP5)

325 Cummings: It reminds me of the high cost paid by the people in our diplomatic corps. Um, since when has serving as a diplomat come with a high cost? Before the SCOAMF, that is. Oh no he didn't. He just said that death is a natural part of like. I would like to know what comes after that. It had better be good. And he's still talking without saying anything.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 08:45 AM (6zgse)

326 "Dead is part of life..."

In other words, what difference does this make.  Nothing to see or hear here, please move along.

Thanks Cummings.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 08, 2013 08:45 AM (kqqGm)

327 Cummings is a fucking embarassment.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:46 AM (sXWmd)

328

"Death is a part of Life"

 

Well thank you Cummings for that prolific and deep thought.

 

Now STFU - ask a question or shut up.

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 08:46 AM (G+Wff)

329 I want to know who gave the order to stand down.  Give us the m-fucker's name.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 08:46 AM (lVPtV)

330 Cummings?  I need an interpreter or subtitles.   

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 08:46 AM (wbmaj)

331 Cummings you dumb fuck, they didn't pass away, they were murdered. Shut the fuck up you political hack. Damnit, I am ready to punch the fucking TV

Posted by: Ma Bell at May 08, 2013 08:46 AM (RLdcX)

332 Is Cummings dead? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 08:46 AM (wbmaj)

333 I bet they just want to scream Cummings down. Fuck off.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:47 AM (sXWmd)

334 Cummings.

Our people didn't just happen to "pass away" nor "expire" from natural causes, they died due to the negligence of their superiors at State.

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 08:47 AM (fGPLK)

335 Cummings will lie and obfuscate to protect Hillary! and his messiah.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 08:47 AM (lVPtV)

336 333 Is Cummings dead? Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 12:46 PM (wbmaj) No. If he were, he would be more coherent.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:48 AM (sXWmd)

337 Cummings, what the crap do you know about this. You POS talking to these heroic individuals.

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:48 AM (egHP5)

338 EEG:  Cummings brain dead. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 08, 2013 08:48 AM (wbmaj)

339 Here's the 'Stache on Fox.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 08, 2013 08:48 AM (lVPtV)

340 Cummings is cross examining the poor guy.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:49 AM (sXWmd)

341 General Dempsey = admin hack

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:49 AM (sXWmd)

342 I love Cumming's appeals to authority.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 08:50 AM (6zgse)

343 343 Chique D'Afrique,

especially touching is the deference to military data and oversight they shat on for what 8 years?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 08, 2013 08:51 AM (LRFds)

344 I am sorry, but every Airbase I am ever been to have at least 2 Interceptors ready to go

Posted by: Ma Bell at May 08, 2013 08:51 AM (RLdcX)

345 Cummings is trying to rewrite the record.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 08:51 AM (kXoT0)

346 Cummings (excuse me because I am a POS) I have to protect Hil & Obama!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:52 AM (egHP5)

347 Great point, sven.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 08:52 AM (6zgse)

348

For what it is worth on the 'mechanical recitation of Hillary's name', in 2005 I worked for a... (secret squirrel stuff! No, really, I just don't want to give out details of my life to asshole strangers)... high ranking government official (close enough), and we had an autopen for his signature. Its just a sort of drafting table with a robotic arm that 'remembers' how the... guy... signed his name. Push the button and 'whoosh!' somewhat instant signature, no matter where the guy was.

The local chief of staff generally made the call when to autopen something, but there wasn't any real security on the damn thing. I don't recall any logs that needed filling out, any sort of tracking on how often it was used, or even if it was possible to track how often it was used.

This is, so far as I know, an accepted practice in every office of the Government.   Trying to make it into an excuse is amateur hour bullshit. Of course they also can't seem to grasp the simple concept that the boss is responsible, period, so there is that.

I imagine that, once the country collapses that a million voices, all in DC, will cry out asking 'why didn't someone DO something?!!!'.

Posted by: Spike at May 08, 2013 08:52 AM (EVEIU)

349 Cummings is so far out of his depth, I almost feel sorry for the old man.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 08:52 AM (liORJ)

350 Just ask your darn question, Cummings.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 08:52 AM (6zgse)

351 Cummings is admitting he is there to protect obama.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:53 AM (sXWmd)

352 Cummings: besides being a POS I'm a liar!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:53 AM (egHP5)

353

Cummings you lie.

 

I have a doofy to bofe of them

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 08:53 AM (G+Wff)

354 OK. He's just blabbering now.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 08:53 AM (6zgse)

355 Follow you? Yes, you are not going to let the wits testify.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:54 AM (sXWmd)

356 Cummings just used the old, "that evidence wasn't brought up at trial!!!!" tactic.

Niiiiiice....

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 08:54 AM (liORJ)

357 Mr. Cummins needs to shut up.shut up.shut up.

Oh, thank you, God, Rep Gowdy.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 08:54 AM (baL2B)

358 GO TREY !!!!!

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 08:54 AM (G+Wff)

359 I'll do every thing in my power except stfu!

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 08:54 AM (sXWmd)

360 All cummings seemed to be saying was he was there to protect folks' reputations because that is all they have.  I guess the 600-800 million that Hillary squats atop is not part of her assets.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 08:55 AM (kXoT0)

361 Trey Gowdy is brilliant at cross-examination.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 08:55 AM (piMMO)

362 Go Gowdy!  He is taking apart the video meme!

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 08:55 AM (kXoT0)

363 Holy shit...who is this guy Gowdy?!?!?

Impressive.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at May 08, 2013 08:56 AM (liORJ)

364 Yeah, Gowdy!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:56 AM (egHP5)

365 Oooh, Gowdy getting to heart of matter. Go, Gowdy, GO! Love you.

Ambassador Hick's story simply breaks my heart.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 08:56 AM (baL2B)

366 Hicks is realizing that someone has his back. His answers to Gowdy are easy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 08:56 AM (piMMO)

367 I like Cummings. He provides time for me to go to the bathroom, and get a sandwich...

Posted by: Optimizer at May 08, 2013 08:56 AM (Mxt9o)

368 A former Prosecutor from SC ! He's GREAT!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:57 AM (egHP5)

369 My friends, you have nothing to fear from this administration.

Posted by: John McCain at May 08, 2013 08:57 AM (Lljg2)

370 352 Waldo,

some truths are self-illuminating

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 08, 2013 08:58 AM (LRFds)

371 Rep Gowdy and Senator Cruz give me hope.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 08:58 AM (baL2B)

372 115 "I guess I'll wait to see what MSNBC tells what I should know about all this."

Ted Cruz is the anti-Christ. The NRA is the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, and Palin family rolled into one. The Tea Party are terrorists. Obama gives all of us a woody, especially Maddow. Does  that sum it up for you?

Posted by: MSNBC at May 08, 2013 08:58 AM (erlzv)

373 Go Gowdy, he is taking apart Susan Rice.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 08:58 AM (kXoT0)

374 Holy shit...who is this guy Gowdy?!?!? Impressive. *** Oh, my dear. If you've missed Gowdy in action before, welcome to the fan club. I would encourage you to watch him on You tube re Fast and Furious and his questioning of Sebellius re Obamacare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 08:58 AM (piMMO)

375 BAM!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 08:58 AM (egHP5)

376 Technically Gowdy  performing  "direct examination" not "cross examination".

Make witness the star during direct examination.   Ok for lawyer to be star during cross examination.   You'll see that when the Dems get their shots in.

Posted by: Aquaviva at May 08, 2013 08:59 AM (9FvOF)

377 I say we draft Gowdy and Cruz for President or VP. Does not matter to me. Both are awesome men.

LOVE that this is going to heart, starting with the LIES of Susan Rice, showing the utter incompetence and cover-up.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 08:59 AM (baL2B)

378 Gowdy is a former prosecutor.

Posted by: BignJames at May 08, 2013 09:00 AM (H9MGI)

379 Is it okay to hope Gowdy primaries Lindsey Graham into early retirement?

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit SOB at May 08, 2013 09:01 AM (erlzv)

380 Who's this woman?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 09:01 AM (6zgse)

381 Get this bloviating person off the air and get to some questions.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 08, 2013 09:01 AM (kqqGm)

382 Way to distract from the issue, lady.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 09:01 AM (6zgse)

383 You ;have a question bitch?

Posted by: Ma Bell at May 08, 2013 09:01 AM (RLdcX)

384 Why didn't they tell Cummings to move on? Instead we had to listen to his blathering.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:02 AM (sXWmd)

385 Umm. Sorry about the imminent rolling black outs. I blame Gowdy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 08, 2013 09:02 AM (VtjlW)

386 Oh, she's a Democrat.  That's why she's bloviating.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 08, 2013 09:02 AM (kqqGm)

387 Demmycraps are very disturbed today. Remember, "dissent is the finest form of patriotism" only if they are not under the microscope. SHUT UP woman.

Duh. She DID lie under oath.

They are quite testy today, no, Carolyn who needs a new hairdo? Quite testy. Must mean you are worried.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:02 AM (baL2B)

388 Who is this Carolyn Maloney, whoring herself for Hillary?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:02 AM (kXoT0)

389 I'm waiting for someone to just start with a question. Mrs. Baloney has the floor!

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:03 AM (sXWmd)

390

"Death is Part of Life."

---

I just drew a Venn diagram and proved this to be false.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 08, 2013 09:03 AM (SO2Q8)

391 Maloney, you are an embarrassment to this Country!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 09:03 AM (egHP5)

392

Maloney you political whore. 

 

First of all, stop yelling.  Your face is hard enough to look at let alone hear your fog horn blasting.

 

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 09:03 AM (G+Wff)

393 Is it okay to hope Gowdy primaries Lindsey Graham into early retirement? *** That's what I've been praying for.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 09:04 AM (piMMO)

394 So if Shrill didn't see the request for more security in a highly unstable area and wasn't aware of it, wasn't she completely incompetent and uninterested in her duties?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 09:04 AM (6zgse)

395 "ettiqwette". That's how she pronounced it.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 09:05 AM (6zgse)

396 Bad hair Carolyn is not asking an pertinent questions of the witnesses, only wasting time. Now talking WaPo fact checker or some crap.

Protect Hillary at all cost!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:05 AM (baL2B)

397 Technically Gowdy performing "direct examination" not "cross examination". Make witness the star during direct examination. Ok for lawyer to be star during cross examination. You'll see that when the Dems get their shots in. *** Yep. I caught myself on twitter, but got it wrong when I posted here.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 09:05 AM (piMMO)

398 Baloney isn't fooling anyone.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:05 AM (sXWmd)

399 Maloney pants on fire!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 09:06 AM (egHP5)

400 I've muted the feed.  Someone tell me when she's done bloviating please.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 08, 2013 09:06 AM (kqqGm)

401 Carolyn The Bad Hair Do (D-New Yawk) has a Pinocchio of her own schnoz.

Oh, thank God, a Republican, who can stay focused.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:06 AM (baL2B)

402 Maloney is the female chuckie shoomer http://maloney.house.gov/

Posted by: Caustic at May 08, 2013 09:06 AM (/b8+5)

403 what difference does it make

Posted by: Obamatron v8.1 at May 08, 2013 09:07 AM (xTNmw)

404 @401. You can unmute now.

Posted by: olddog in mo at May 08, 2013 09:07 AM (Ijr/x)

405 Shes gone now. hicks speaking

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 08, 2013 09:07 AM (r7Ddb)

406 Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at May 08, 2013 01:07 PM (r7Ddb)

Thank ye'

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 08, 2013 09:08 AM (kqqGm)

407 Basically, baloney maloney wanted to testify on hillary's behalf.  She must want to be in hillary's cabinet.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:09 AM (kXoT0)

408 "Rep. Cummings, since death is a natural part of life, when will you be getting around to that life milestone?"

Posted by: Concerned Voter at May 08, 2013 09:09 AM (vg8iE)

409 When the nuclear holocaust occurs, only cockroaches, the Clintons, and the Obama presidency will survive.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 09:11 AM (piMMO)

410 408 Basically, baloney maloney wanted to testify on hillary's behalf. She must want to be in hillary's cabinet pants.

FIFY

Posted by: Concerned Voter at May 08, 2013 09:14 AM (vg8iE)

411 Is it the Administration's position that there is a "mystery person" in the State Department, who has the power to approve or deny security improvements to foreign embassies, without the knowledge or approval of anyone in the chain of command?

Posted by: Frank Underwood, D-South Carolina at May 08, 2013 09:14 AM (fscec)

412 Norton's up; back to mute.

Still can't understand how DC gets a representative.  They should have kept residences (save the WH) out of DC.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 08, 2013 09:14 AM (kqqGm)

413 My strike through didn't show on 411.... strikethrough "cabinet"

Posted by: Concerned Voter at May 08, 2013 09:14 AM (vg8iE)

414 OMG, eleanor norton, my eyes, brain bleach....

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:16 AM (kXoT0)

415 Is Norton drunk?

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2013 09:17 AM (kwR+3)

416
Of course not. But he will. And here is my prediction:

Regardless of whatever damning testimony is given, he will say, "Well, Hillary and Obama said there was nothing they could do, and this fag at Politico that I linked agrees, so it's their word against theirs. I have not seen any evidence that satisfies me that there were assets available that could have responded in time to these attacks."

Print that shit out and refer back to it. You know it's coming.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 08, 2013 12:07 PM (CJjw5)

 

You're assuming he actually has the balls to talk about it here again.  Ace has the balls to actually discuss and argue for his position even if he's against most of his commenters.  Even Gabe will come in and deliver a one line retort when he's being a dishonest hack on an issue.  DrewM will hide on twitter like a little bitch.

Posted by: buzzion at May 08, 2013 09:18 AM (LI48c)

417 DrewM will hide on twitter like a little bitch. Posted by: buzzion at May 08, 2013 01:18 PM (LI48c) Which is why you follow him to twitter.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 08, 2013 09:19 AM (da5Wo)

418 Maybe they couldn't have responded in time, but they would have had time to kill a few of those bastards.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:20 AM (sXWmd)

419 I've got enough other time sucks than to actually be signed up to twitter.

Posted by: buzzion at May 08, 2013 09:20 AM (LI48c)

420 412

that.

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 09:20 AM (fGPLK)

421 Didn't that just kind of say that the decision not to send FEST came out of the White House?

Posted by: Optimizer at May 08, 2013 09:20 AM (Mxt9o)

422 Langford just straight out asked questions. Thank you. Short questions. Not gibberish like the donk inquistors.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:21 AM (sXWmd)

423 DrewM will hide on twitter like a little bitch. *** he's already admitted that the Obama/Clinton narrative has been destroyed although he thinks the FEST thing is an "unnecessary distraction".

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 09:22 AM (piMMO)

424 although he thinks the FEST thing is an "unnecessary distraction". Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 01:22 PM (piMMO) Of course he does, since that's the part that makes him look like a jackass.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 08, 2013 09:24 AM (da5Wo)

425 FEST is in DC  A stand down order came from AFRICOM. Gen Ham.  Who told Gen Ham to stand down?  Anybody?

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:24 AM (nH8jP)

426 Go Lankford.

OMG, do the Dims have even one smart articulate Congess Critter--one, just one.  Are they all brainless hacks a la cummings, maloney, and norton?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:25 AM (kXoT0)

427 Apparently, WaComPo fact checkers are the final arbiters of truth.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 09:26 AM (6zgse)

428 the Donks are there today to muddy, not clarify.  Jibberish helps their cause

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:26 AM (nH8jP)

429 The Pinnochios win again as the source of all truth.

Instead of asking questions, they slam Rep Issa. They are clearly worried to be spewing propaganda.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:26 AM (baL2B)

430 Lankford is probably Soona's Congress Critter.  Please note that yes, I am again bragging about Oklahoma.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:27 AM (kXoT0)

431 OMG, do the Dims have even one smart articulate Congess Critter--one, just one. Are they all brainless hacks a la cummings, maloney, and norton?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 01:25 PM (kXoT0)

Answers to your questions: No, and yes.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit SOB at May 08, 2013 09:27 AM (erlzv)

432 You can tell who is a donk and who is a repub. The donks are blah blah blah me me me blah blah blah incoherency blah blah blah

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:27 AM (sXWmd)

433 410 When the nuclear holocaust occurs, only cockroaches, the Clintons, and the Obama presidency will survive.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 01:11 PM (piMMO)

 but you repeat yourself

Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at May 08, 2013 09:27 AM (lhX9P)

434 Go Lankford. OMG, do the Dims have even one smart articulate Congess Critter--one, just one. Are they all brainless hacks a la cummings, maloney, and norton? *** Reps: Gowdy Lankford Chaffetz Dems: Cummings Norton Maloney No contest.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 09:27 AM (piMMO)

435 Langford is sharp as a tack.

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 09:28 AM (fGPLK)

436 No contest.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 01:27 PM (piMMO)

:^)

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:28 AM (kXoT0)

437 can we throw Clapper and Dempsey in to a volcano

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:29 AM (nH8jP)

438 These fucking DemTards are loathsome scumbags.

Posted by: Strife at May 08, 2013 09:29 AM (Ul1S7)

439 This donk is at least making a pretense of asking real questions. Although it seems all they have is appeals to authority.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 09:29 AM (6zgse)

440

Clapper and Dempsey need to go down.  Hard.  They let men die and covered it up for their own careers

 

put their heads on a pike

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:29 AM (nH8jP)

441 FWIW,

I think Clapper's a moron who has no idea how to actually deal with Politics.  When he was appointed DNI he couldn't even prepare for a softball news interview.

He may be a fine DNI (I can't speak to that) but he's a miserable political operator (which you have to be at his level.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 08, 2013 09:29 AM (qr78K)

442 HOw would he know whether he is lying or not? He does know what he said was not true. It's not the same. These donk assholes think they are so clever. They are not.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:30 AM (sXWmd)

443 The Dim Congress Creeps seem to think that if they ask enough GOTCHA questions, they can trick Hicks/Nordstrom into saying, "Oh, my yes, Hillary and Obama handled things perfectly.  Stephens, et al, died because they were running with scissors or did not put the cap back on the library paste."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:30 AM (kXoT0)

444 Ok...while they bloviate. Just so I know: it takes fighter jets two hours to go how many miles from Tripoli to Benghazi. Just the afterthrust alone (or whatever it is called) in a low fly-over would have scattered the little barbarian jihidi bastards.

I am an old bag of a former supermodel and I even know this! What kind of fools do they take us for? That we are all uninformed voters like their constituency? Traitors. Impeach.

The Democrats are idiots. Sic 'em GOP! Hey, this Rep Jordan is a hunk (ChristyB adds to her list)

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:31 AM (baL2B)

445 and Dempsey? whats his excuse?  Perhaps a moron should not hold those positions

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:31 AM (nH8jP)

446 I hate missing so much of this, good to at least be able to skim the comments before more medical ****. It sounds unrelated but it's not: *someone* needs to get the names of Journolisters up on billboards in their regions asking them why they felt comfortable colluding in secret to lie to the public. MFM delenda est - you can figure out what to do with treasonous democrats on your own. Seriously? "Death is a part of life?" Cummings is such a sickening shill.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at May 08, 2013 09:31 AM (qyfb5)

447 To be clear in my earlier rant above: I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WOULD TAKE TWO HOURS FOR A FIGHTER JET TO REACH THEM. If so, it was a bad plan. Sorry for yelling, but Democrats rile me up.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:32 AM (baL2B)

448 Yes, ChristyB, Jordan is hunkalicious.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:33 AM (kXoT0)

449 Oooh. Now Rep. Jordan brings up "obstruction of justice." Wow.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:33 AM (baL2B)

450 Of course he does, since that's the part that makes him look like a jackass. *** My questions to him, all along, have been along the lines of HOW IN THE HELL did they know that the attacks would be over before they could send help? How did they not have a rapid response team ready to go? Why were they, hours after the attack, still sitting in staging areas? HOW IN THE HELL did they not have a strategy of *if this, then that* to which they could turn immediately for direction?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 09:33 AM (piMMO)

451 I didnt know they tried to screw Hicks.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:33 AM (sXWmd)

452

in the Phillipines, when the Corazone Aquino was being threatened with a coup, and people were in the streets rioting, all we did was fly F-4s down the main drag of Manilla.  Coup stopped

 

not saying Phillipinos are the same as hardened jihadis, just saying it has been done

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:34 AM (nH8jP)

453 436 Langford is sharp as a tack.

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 01:28 PM (fGPLK)


And Maloney is as sharp as a bowling ball.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit SOB at May 08, 2013 09:34 AM (erlzv)

454 445 Ok...while they bloviate. Just so I know: it takes fighter jets two hours to go how many miles from Tripoli to Benghazi. Just the afterthrust alone (or whatever it is called) in a low fly-over would have scattered the little barbarian jihidi bastards.

I am an old bag of a former supermodel and I even know this! What kind of fools do they take us for? That we are all uninformed voters like their constituency? Traitors. Impeach.

The Democrats are idiots. Sic 'em GOP! Hey, this Rep Jordan is a hunk (ChristyB adds to her list)

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 01:31 PM (baL2B)

 

Add DrewM to your list as well.  Since he doesn't think any military response was possible.

Posted by: buzzion at May 08, 2013 09:34 AM (LI48c)

455 And Maloney is as sharp as a bowling ball. *** And just as dense

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 08, 2013 09:34 AM (piMMO)

456 Jordan is great, great...and cute

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:35 AM (kXoT0)

457 Just back, any juicy stuff yet?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 08, 2013 09:35 AM (9+ccr)

458 Jordan is kicking ass!

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:35 AM (sXWmd)

459 Jordan with the slam dunk.

No one follows up Langford's narrative ?

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 09:36 AM (fGPLK)

460 Just the afterthrust alone (or whatever it is called) in a low fly-over would have scattered the little barbarian jihidi bastards. Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 01:31 PM (baL2B) Afterburner and even if it is a question mark, it would have been worth a freaking shot! They probably couldn't have done it but getting the Libyan C130 to do a low pass might have scared them even more, the Jihadis know what an AC130 is and couldn't tell the difference from a low pass. As far as the Autopen is concerned, we're seeing Clinton defenders saying she's not to blame because she was derelict in her duty as Secretary of State. They will say and do anything for power, and they don't care.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at May 08, 2013 09:36 AM (qyfb5)

461 Clay, gee, another black Ebonics-spoken affirmative-action dipshit political hack.


Posted by: Strife at May 08, 2013 09:37 AM (Ul1S7)

462 Who is this fool Clay and how are such stupid peoples elected (don't answer that rhetorical question).

NO, Clay, Lamb said at first hearing that budgets had no impact in security. I even know that! Next up, the dreaded "sequester" word which I despise.

Christy needs a tranquilizer.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:38 AM (baL2B)

463 I wonder who wrote Clay's script?

Posted by: USA at May 08, 2013 09:38 AM (RIg+t)

464 Oh, you HAVE to be kidding me. This Clay donk is trying to blame this fiasco on budget cuts, which apparently didn't prevent approval of hundreds and thousands of $ to some safe European country (Austria) for an electric car charging station or some such thing. It's all the Republicans' fault.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 09:38 AM (6zgse)

465 Lankford with a K.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:38 AM (kXoT0)

466 Dear State Dept. Employees in foreign countries, it is now policy that if you cannot sustain at least 9 hours of combat, the State Dept. will just pick up your bodies at our earliest convenience. If you do sustain 9 hours of combat, we may, depending on circumstances such as campaign trips, golf, vacations, pick up the phone and arrange for your defense.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 08, 2013 09:38 AM (UU0OF)

467 How come if they sound slow and dumb with cotton in their mouths, they are donks?

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:38 AM (sXWmd)

468 Clay with anti-sequestration speech.

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 09:38 AM (fGPLK)

469 Does it sound like Clay is wandering down the path of sequester? He's certainly blaming R's

Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 08, 2013 09:38 AM (fzFF6)

470 Okay, now we get to funding.. wow those Dems sure come up with great off the cuff questions. I know there is no collusion. I have this bridge for sale too!

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 09:40 AM (egHP5)

471 How many of these black congress-hacks can perform basic math skills or even pass a basic 8th grade English exam?

Posted by: Strife at May 08, 2013 09:40 AM (Ul1S7)

472 Deflect, deflect, deflect....

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 09:40 AM (egHP5)

473 How is it that the committee hearing is so pressed for time for testimony?  Don't know if they'll have time for another round?  Really?

I guess this is a tell, that we absolutely need a select committee to investigate this whole scandal and provide time for more to come forward.


Posted by: Yip at May 08, 2013 09:40 AM (/jHWN)

474 Keep in mind that all Barky had on his mind was his golf junket to Las Vegas with Reggie Love.  Hillary was more than likely too drunk to be effective.

That is simply unacceptable.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:41 AM (kXoT0)

475 Oh now it is the funding!  Those evil Rethuglicans blocked funding thereby they killed these 4 men.

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 09:41 AM (G+Wff)

476 Nice rejoinder, Mr Issa.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 08, 2013 09:41 AM (fzFF6)

477 hahahahaaa... AWESOME smackdown by ISSA!!   hehehe

Posted by: Yip at May 08, 2013 09:42 AM (/jHWN)

478 How many of these black congress-hacks can perform basic math skills or even pass a basic 8th grade English exam?

Posted by: Strife at May 08, 2013 01:40 PM (Ul1S7)

None, they can identify the colors as long as you stick with two-Black and Honky.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:42 AM (kXoT0)

479 SLAM!

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 09:42 AM (G+Wff)

480 Clay is now stuttering when Issa and others are reminding him that it Lamb testified that the budget is not an issue. What an idiot. I admire Issa for his patience. I would have a difficult time not calling him an imbecile.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 09:42 AM (6zgse)

481 Clay got slapped down!

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 09:42 AM (sXWmd)

482 This is why I am not in DC right now. I would be ejected for my huge Tourette's syndrome freak out and yelling YOU LIE with obscenities every time one of these clowns uttered a bleat.

Hit him with your hammer, Issa! Ooh, Issa saw my comment up river! See!!!! ChristB is not that stupid. Yay. The AARP? What about the Pinocchio? What does Pinocchio say?

ChristyB now eyeing liquor cabinet and wishing husband was not working from home. GO, ISSA, GO. These Dems are buffoons!!


Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:42 AM (baL2B)

483 Nordstrom =wonkish chops.

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 09:43 AM (fGPLK)

484 That exchange / rejoinder , needs to be replayed over and over as just how the donks are going to demagog this whole thing.  Doesn't matter what has been testified to, here is our new narrative for the MSM to show...

Posted by: Yip at May 08, 2013 09:44 AM (/jHWN)

485 ChristyB now eyeing liquor cabinet and wishing husband was not working from home.  Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 01:42 PM (baL2B)

ChristyB, sweetie, vodka in the freezer or cooking sherry in the cabinet.  One must be prepared.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 08, 2013 09:44 AM (kXoT0)

486 The Obama Regime certainly is efficient when it comes to distributing their obfuscating talking-points to their congressional minions.

Posted by: Strife at May 08, 2013 09:45 AM (Ul1S7)

487 Rep Mica, while wearing a toupee and a Republican, knows about air stuff. I do not know why he is not yapping about how fast a freaking fighter jet could have reached  Benghazi.

When ChristyB is Queen of USA this crap will not happen.

The driving distance from Tripoli, Libya to Benghazi, Libya is: 633 miles / 1 019 km

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:48 AM (baL2B)

488

a fighter jet from Aviano or Incirlik or Croatia or Rota Spain

 

it could have been done

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:50 AM (nH8jP)

489 It is so obvious Admiral  Mullen and Gen Dempsey are nothing more than leftist political hacks.  Not a knock on either service  in which they serve,  simply a statement of profound disappointment in military leadership in the progressive era.  May God have mercy on their souls and protect our troops.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 08, 2013 09:51 AM (YYyqq)

490 Who let Woody Allen in to ask questions?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:51 AM (baL2B)

491 " I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WOULD TAKE TWO HOURS FOR A FIGHTER JET TO REACH THEM" ----#448 Yes it would have taken somewhere between 90m and 120m depending on how armed the f16's were and how much fuel they were willing to burn to get there asap (and still have some left do some fly-bys and to land either locally or ~400 miles away). An f16 not armed + drop tanks (flying gas can mode) only has a range of ~2500miles, significantly reduced once you start adding munition weight and burning fuel for speed. I criticize them not taking that risk and saying it would take 20 hours, I don't criticize the reality that Aviano is indeed ~1000 miles away and flight time would add a ~2 hour delay. We had 130's (much slower) in Sicily, that 400-450mile trip would take about a similar amount of time. #455 "Just so I know: it takes fighter jets two hours to go how many miles from Tripoli to Benghazi." -- It's 400-450 miles, but we didn't have and far as I know have never had fighters in Tripoli.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 09:51 AM (7mQyC)

492 Constituents of these idiotic Dems listen to this and have to think..."I could do this!"

Posted by: resist we much at May 08, 2013 09:53 AM (u0wJh)

493 Lynch attempting to diminish Langford's narrative regarding improvements to Benghazi including - security detail/

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 09:53 AM (fGPLK)

494

there was a Libyan C-130 in Tripoli

 

there would have been fighter jets at Aviano and Incirlik. 

 

not to mention whatever assets were floating around the Med

 

there were special forces in Tripoli, Croatia and Rota Spain all ready and begging to go in

 

don't, don't tell me nothing could be done

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:54 AM (nH8jP)

495 489
a fighter jet from Aviano or Incirlik or Croatia or Rota Spain

it could have been done

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 01:50 PM (nH8jP)

 

Any fighters in Sigonella?  Certainly closer than Aviano.  Think Aviano question early on is a deflection of whatthe  resources were which  actually closer.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at May 08, 2013 09:54 AM (YYyqq)

496 how come no one has ever discussed Navy assets in the region, only AF assets?

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:55 AM (nH8jP)

497 I am not trusting Nordstrom so much. I trust Hicks.


Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 09:57 AM (baL2B)

498 493 Constituents of these idiotic Dems listen to this and have to think..."I could do this!" Posted by: resist we much at May 08, 2013 01:53 PM (u0wJh) Ok, do you figure these Dems constituents are watching? I'm betting they are waiting to ignore the media reporting. Idiots like these get elected by people who do not pay attention and don't want to be informed.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 08, 2013 09:58 AM (fzFF6)

499 Why would you reduce personnell from 14 to 4 after a car jacking in Benghazi???

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 09:59 AM (G+Wff)

500 I don't think they were told NOT to go, they were never told the COULD go and the power to make that decision was reserved

Posted by: Thunderb at May 08, 2013 09:59 AM (nH8jP)

501 Ok, do you figure these Dems constituents are watching? I'm betting they are waiting to ignore the media reporting. Idiots like these get elected by people who do not pay attention and don't want to be informed. Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 08, 2013 01:58 PM (fzFF6) Not at all.....just making the roundabout point that they could get anyone off the streets to provide the same level of idiocracy. Can't wait for President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho!

Posted by: resist we much at May 08, 2013 10:03 AM (u0wJh)

502 I just wish fighter jets, armed or not, would have blasted over and tried to help the two SEALS on the roof.

It is very simple, just like the lack of real Marine security presence (a choice, we assume, by Ambassador Stevens for political correctness): even after the consulate was attacked, political correctness reigned.

The USA would rather Americans die, would rather American military look week, than offend radical Islamic terrorist jihadi bastards. They would rather lie to the entire world that this was an obscure video vs a terrorist attack on 9/11/12.

 I may be blonde but I am not stupid, but this Rep Connoly appears to be stupid. Thompson just gave the smack down to that damn Dem.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 08, 2013 10:03 AM (baL2B)

503 The Dems have no shame! But, nothing new about that.

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 10:06 AM (egHP5)

504

Watching the dem dim wits struggle to say anything coherent or honest is truly depressing.

 

Question: 

 If  Barack Obama was trapped in that annex on 9/11 do you think that military fighters by air/land/or sea would have been deployed?

 

Some lives are more equal than others.

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 10:08 AM (G+Wff)

505 So, they couldn't get military assets to the area in time? Who knew how long the Benghazi attack would last? It could have gone on for days.

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 08, 2013 10:10 AM (BVkEs)

506 "there was a Libyan C-130 in Tripoli" -- Yes there was, an that's still about the same flight time as it is from Sicily give or take a few minutes, they're about the same distance by air. Incirlik - ~900m a bit closer then Aviano (I know it's more of a logistics and recon base, not sure what 'fast' assets we have there if any anymore.) "Any fighters in Sigonella? " --- I don't know for a fact that on that night the anwser was no, but I know that none are based there regularly.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 10:13 AM (7mQyC)

507 Speir......oh God make it stop

Posted by: Cheri at May 08, 2013 10:14 AM (G+Wff)

508 " Who knew how long the Benghazi attack would last?" --- Nobody really knew, it's what undercuts most of that "it was all over before we do anything" excuse.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 10:15 AM (7mQyC)

509 Should have been called the "Foreign Intervention Support Team", FIST. A Secretary of Defense/State or president with balls would then be able to declare "drop the FIST". Just another example of the pussification of America.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 08, 2013 10:15 AM (C3KwS)

510 Speir's a donk, so she will say something stupid. There she goes. Me me me! It's not about you and something that happened over 30 years ago.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 10:16 AM (sXWmd)

511 What the HELL kind of question is that????

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 08, 2013 10:19 AM (6zgse)

512 Yep, protect your girl Hillary.

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 10:19 AM (sXWmd)

513 " how come no one has ever discussed Navy assets in the region, only AF assets?" --- I'm not aware of any with aircraft in the ~1500'ish mile distance, perhaps one of the down sides of not having as many of those "expensive" aircraft carriers, as we used too.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at May 08, 2013 10:25 AM (7mQyC)

514 Pocan = me me me me me

Posted by: Waldo at May 08, 2013 10:28 AM (sXWmd)

515 Duckworth....best way to help memory of Ambassador and others is to move on...

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 10:38 AM (egHP5)

516 Both Speier and Duckworth took a pass on cross-examination and/or personally attacking the witnesses.

What's that about?

Posted by: 13times at May 08, 2013 10:43 AM (fGPLK)

517 It's all about the money, money, money They're all singing to Jessy J.

Posted by: Oldyfan at May 08, 2013 11:07 AM (egHP5)

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