September 11, 2013

Benghazi, One Year Later: Why We Were There In the First Place
— Ace

Sexton tipped me that this article was coming and it's as good as promised.

The article collates a lot of previous reportage to suggest that reporters really know more about the Syrian Weapons Pipleline, which starts in Tripoli and Benghazi, than they're letting on. It has long been suggested that that's why the CIA had so many personnel in Benghazi on September 11, 2012; this article pushes that suggestion closer to the category of simple fact.

This isn't a piece with a lot of partisan bite in it-- it's not really clear that we shouldn't have been doing this or we should have been doing even more of this or whatever other sort of political criticism one could immediately mount. But it does suggest reasons for the Administration's strange behavior in pushing out a cover-up storyline almost immediately.

For one thing, UN Resolution 1970, passed in 2011, expressly forbids the shipment of weapons into or out of Libya, and demands that any weapons possessed (by any UN country) be destroyed. Russia brought this matter up with the US earlier, so this was a source of potential embarrassment.

A month later, just three days after the 9/11 attack in Benghazi, the Times of London reported that a Libyan ship carrying 400 tons of weapons including "SAM-7 surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles" docked in Turkey. This was the largest known shipment of weapons to Syria at the time. The ship's captain, Omar Mousaeeb, was from Benghazi.

As CNN reported in August, there were 21 people, presumably CIA, at the Annex in Benghazi the night of the attack. It is possible that they missed the surface-to-air missiles being delivered to Syrian rebels. And it is possible that when the shipment arrived in Turkey the CIA agents working there again missed them (as they had the smaller shipment a month earlier).

An alternative explanation is that the CIA was, as the Times has reported, shopping for weapons to fill the pipeline. With the Russians continuing to sell attack helicopters to the Assad regime, surface-to-air missiles would represent a much needed game-changer on the ground.

When asked by CNN the State Department maintained its personnel were there to help the new Libyan government destroy dangerous weapons. However State pointedly refused to speak for "other agencies." In other words, take it up with the CIA. But the CIA did not respond to inquiries.

None of this lets the Obama Administration off the hook for Benghazi. Far from it. If it's true -- as it certainly seems to be -- that the US had a fairly important arms supply line running from Benghazi and Triopli to Syria (via Qatar, Jordan, and Turkey), it at least suggests the White House should have had more security in the area to protect its people.

The main thing I think this article advances is the Phony Scandal Cover-Up motive. That is, why are the media so determined to label Benghazi a "Phony Scandal"? Apart from their reflexive need to praise their Hero God, I mean.

I have long thought that, behind the scenes, the Administration was telling reporters, sotto voce, "Well, you know we had a major CIA operation going on in Benghazi. And those darned Partisan Republicans just want to expose it, Because They Hate America."

And then reporters, feeling all Trusted and Respected by their Boyfriend, dutifully run out to say, "Phony Scandal!"

Well, wrong. I have no objection to this sort of thing. I understand the CIA does some covert work every now and again. (It's Obama's Freedom & Dignity Loving "Friends on the Left" who actually have a difficult time accepting the proposition that a covert operations agency will sometimes agent some covert operations.)

But just because the CIA had a covert operation going on doesn't let the Administration off the hook for negligence in securing its own people.

And it doesn't give them license to lie to the public and claim this was about, for God's sake, a "spontaneous demonstration" spurred by an Unfavorable Movie Review.

The Administration didn't have to offer these politically helpful lines of spin (in an election season) to keep secret the Benghazi arms operation.

What I think happened was that they realized that the covert character of the Benghazi operation gave them a pretext to lie about the thing for domestic electioneering political purposes, because they could always claim later "We were just trying to protect an important US national security secret."

And I think that's the secret story of Benghazi. Under the cover of "protecting a US covert operation" (which practically everyone has known about for a year) they made up a fiction that would help them win an election.

And the media joined in with them.

The "Dark Star:" Mickey Kaus had an interesting metaphor for explaining odd news coverage. He suggested that sometimes one can feel the presence of a "Dark Star," visible only by the gravitational fields it exerts on visible matter. The star itself is dark and therefore invisible, but you can infer it exists by the strange and unexpected pathways other objects (stories) take when they come near the Dark Star.

I think this whole arms operation is the Benghazi Dark Star. I think it's better to just have it out in the open, because, look, it already is out in the open. There is literally no one in the world who cares to know about this who doesn't know about this.

The only people who are being kept in the dark are the American public. And I don't even care if they remain in the dark about this.

But what I do care about is the media's Phony Scandal You Guys treatment of the Administration's -- Obama's, Clinton's, and now Kerry's -- lapses and illegal cover-ups to protect a supposed Dark Star that everyone knows about.

Whatever the CIA was doing in Benghazi is simply not any kind of excuse for failing to take security threats seriously, or for failing to mount a rescue when men could still have been saved, or for perpetrating a ridiculous lie about a YouTube video on the public.

Posted by: Ace at 09:15 AM | Comments (224)
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1 Barack Wilson Reagan Obama

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 11, 2013 09:16 AM (6T8Ay)

2 Hey, check out Twitchy. Esquire mag royal screw up....and non-apology.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 11, 2013 09:17 AM (0IhFx)

3 And the chick, O'Bagy, that was lobbying for the Syrians got shitcanned for a fake PhD. There's irony in there somewhere.

Posted by: NCKate at September 11, 2013 09:18 AM (KKfVH)

4 " . . . four dead in Ben-ghazi."  Null Young

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 11, 2013 09:19 AM (BAS5M)

5 And if the anti-Assad forces used the WMD; and if Benghazi was a coverup to hide that we were supporting these people?  Just asking...

Posted by: @ParisParamus at September 11, 2013 09:19 AM (Y53Vc)

6 I have long thought that, behind the scenes, the Administration was telling reporters, sotto voce, "Well, you know we had a major CIA operation going on in Benghazi. And those darned Partisan Republicans just want to expose it, Because They Hate America." ************** No. You are giving the media -- too much credit. It was the timing. What convinced them to shut up was-- the re-election of America's first African American president. Nothing more than that.

Posted by: tasker at September 11, 2013 09:20 AM (r2PLg)

7 I take full credit for being the first to point this out: http://politi.co/17Ql5RL

Posted by: MTF at September 11, 2013 09:20 AM (qf2kI)

8 All the deeply profound questions over the last few weeks regarding whether we should help "the rebels" have been profoundly moot. We've been doing it for more than a year.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 11, 2013 09:21 AM (ZshNr)

9 Protecting a covert operation that would have been illegal.

Posted by: whenuboilitdown at September 11, 2013 09:22 AM (EcY0f)

10 3 And the chick, O'Bagy, that was lobbying for the Syrians got shitcanned for a fake PhD. There's irony in there somewhere. Posted by: NCKate at September 11, 2013 01:18 PM (KKfVH) ************ Wow. NCKate--when did this happen? Is she fired from the Atlantic Council? (IIRC that's were she worked.)

Posted by: tasker at September 11, 2013 09:22 AM (r2PLg)

11 I remember, MTF! I remember your comment. you were absolutely spot on you broke this story!!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 11, 2013 09:23 AM (2up3Q)

12 I think the scandal they were trying to cover up was the supplying of surface to air missiles toterrorists rebels.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 11, 2013 09:23 AM (9jLim)

13 And the media joined in with them.


And that's the scary part of the scandal: If it had been Bush, this operation would have been blown in a three-part expose' in the NYT.

Posted by: joncelli, lizard-brained right-friend at September 11, 2013 09:23 AM (RD7QR)

14 Well slap my ass and call me Nancy. Who'd a guessed it?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 11, 2013 09:23 AM (Ng/f0)

15 I dunno if anyone can find it, But Doherty had a interview on CBS? or something and what i remembered from it was Doherty was actually there trying to find and collect weapons  somehow that were floating around to safeguard  .

i believe it was 2 weeks ? 2 mths before he died?

am i wrong?

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2013 09:25 AM (nqBYe)

16 Everyone else in the world is getting guns from the US govt except for me!



*cross arms and pouts*

Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 09:25 AM (GQ8sn)

17 I thought it was "kiss my ass and call me shorty"?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 11, 2013 09:25 AM (0axsw)

18 9 Protecting a covert operation that would have been illegal.

Posted by: whenuboilitdown at September 11, 2013 01:22 PM (EcY0f)


Covert often are illegal.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 11, 2013 09:25 AM (AWmfW)

19 O'Bagy was fired from that war think tank. She who convinced McCain and Kerry on Syria.

Posted by: NCKate at September 11, 2013 09:26 AM (KKfVH)

20 Well I appreciate it BlackOrchid! I just read Sextons story that Ace linked. It's a mind blower.

Posted by: MTF at September 11, 2013 09:26 AM (qf2kI)

21 I thought it was "kiss my ass and call me shorty"?

Spin my nipple nuts and send me to Alaska!

Posted by: Kryten at September 11, 2013 09:26 AM (/kI1Q)

22 NCKate Wow nevermind. It is the headline at Drudge. The Syria researcher whose Wall Street Journal op-piece was cited by Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain during congressional hearings about the use of force has been fired from the Institute for the Study of War for lying about having a Ph.D., the group announced on Wednesday. “The Institute for the Study of War has learned and confirmed that, contrary to her representations, Ms. Elizabeth O’Bagy does not in fact have a Ph.D. degree from Georgetown University,” the institute said in a statement. “ISW has accordingly terminated Ms. O’Bagy’s employment, effective immediately.” ********** Gawd--I swear she use to also work for The Atlantic Council...hmmm.

Posted by: tasker at September 11, 2013 09:26 AM (r2PLg)

23 O'Bagy was fired from that war think tank. She who convinced McCain and Kerry on Syria.


People like her make me laugh.  Did it never occur to her that someone might check up on her resume when she went in front of a camera on such an important piece of news?

Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 09:27 AM (GQ8sn)

24 What were Biden and Kerry's votes on Contra arms, circa mid-80s?

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 09:27 AM (nMcHr)

25 Check the wound Ballistics on the deceased.

Posted by: 44-40 at September 11, 2013 09:28 AM (3GuQx)

26 So. The CIA was attempting to be moderately competent and TFG screwed everyone over. You know what fuck it I don't care if that's true I'm rolling with it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at September 11, 2013 09:28 AM (EvRM+)

27

The only people who are being kept in the dark are the American public. And I don't even care if they remain in the dark about this.

But what I do care about is the media's Phony Scandal You Guys treatment of the Administration's -- Obama's, Clinton's, and now Kerry's -- lapses and illegal cover-ups to protect a supposed Dark Star that everyone knows about.

Posted by: Ace at 01:15 PM

This is for the Libs and the LIV's. Keep them in the naive closure.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 11, 2013 09:28 AM (AWmfW)

28 That O'Bagy article was the first/only one I saw that defied conventional wisdom on Syria. And she's a fraud, so the CW stands.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 11, 2013 09:28 AM (ZshNr)

29 Hey, you know what I think the solution in the ME is? Find groups like the Muslim  Broherhood and the "rebels" that have ties to AQ and then arm them! I mean what has Alqueida ever done to us? Besides it worked magically in Libya and Egypt!

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 11, 2013 09:29 AM (sUMBr)

30 ha wlizabeth obagy fired. no phd. ha. in other news, elizabeth obagy seen googling sydney leathers phone number. heads to san fernando valley to explore career options!

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:29 AM (Z9EHQ)

31 26 I bet Kerry voted Neigh.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 11, 2013 09:29 AM (0axsw)

32 And this is why Benghazi is relevant--if Biden and Kerry opposed Contra arms but support through-Libyan arms, this is a legitimate topic of conversation on statecraft issues for 2016.

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 09:29 AM (nMcHr)

33 So basically Benghazi was a battle in an illegal war which the President and Mrs. Clinton knew about. The enemy used the op's covert status and coordinated attacks with AQ affiliates to shutdown or perhaps expose a weapons pipeline of armaments being used against them.

After the attack, Obama and Clinton create a cover story to cover the op because it reveals a contravention of laws and international covenants with respect to war and arms trafficking. It also shows a blatant constitutional disrespect for the US Congress. Unless of course, the so-called congressional leaders were read-in. Which is probably good political cover. I may go with that bit of divination.

Meanwhile, when the attack hit, Obama and Clinton leave our people to die. Including an ambassador, to save their own asses from being exposed. Because, you know, liberals are compassionate up to the point it's you or them, then it's you. No matter what your politics are.

More later...

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:29 AM (GGCsk)

34 Posted by: tasker


 I feel dirty having voted for McCain, he's a charlatan.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 11, 2013 09:29 AM (9jLim)

35 EC I haven't gotten an Obamaglock either.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at September 11, 2013 09:30 AM (EvRM+)

36 Actually,  it's "Well smack my ass and call me Sally."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 11, 2013 09:30 AM (0HooB)

37 30 That O'Bagy article was the first/only one I saw that defied conventional wisdom on Syria. And she's a fraud, so the CW stands. Posted by: Lincolntf at September 11, 2013 01:28 PM (ZshNr) ************ I swear to.... Anyways I saw her with Brett Baier on FOX News-- and she was doing this weird thing with her lips--right after she would say certain things. Clamping down on them really hard and I wanted to say--and it gave me the feeling she was lying. eery.

Posted by: tasker at September 11, 2013 09:30 AM (r2PLg)

38 I have thought all along that we were scooping up Qaddafi's abandoned weapons in Libya and funneling them to rebels in Syria. And bing bang boom it got 4 of our people killed in Benghazi.

Just bumps in the road as far as your President is concerned, though. Got a gig in Vegas he needs to get to. Valerie, you're in charge while I throw down with Jay-Z.

And the press is COMPLETELY unconcerned, because it's Their Guy in the White House.

I hate them all.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 09:31 AM (8sCoq)

39 8 Posted by: Lincolntf **** They were losing and we couldn't give them air cover like Libya. Suddenly Chems are alleged to be used and we must repeat Tripoli misadventure?

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at September 11, 2013 09:31 AM (MhA4j)

40 Massive scandal two months before presidential election with incumbent Democrat GOD.  The administration lied and had a man jailed.  The press willfully ignored the scandal and continued to hammer Romney on everything they could. 

The whole thing has layers of stink on it.  And the press is ok with moving on and debasing anyone that dare say it matters what happened and why and how the press willfully supported the reelection of the SCOAMF.

Posted by: Yip at September 11, 2013 09:31 AM (/jHWN)

41 elizabeth obagy, who the fuck makes up some credentials and starts going around interewbs and television? now I want to see her birth certificate too. 28 years old, or so she claims, and she has ruined her own career.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:31 AM (Z9EHQ)

42 EC I haven't gotten an Obamaglock either.



MITT ROMNEY SUX!!! 

I GOTTA GUN, AN OBAMAGUN!!!

Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 09:31 AM (GQ8sn)

43 anyway, whether one believe arming bad guys against bad guys is not a moral issue for cause.
the fact that in hiding the actions much like they hid reasons for not following them and demanding  Gun Dealers operators fall in line .. like f and f , when you actually say a video caused  the Benghazi attack, have the guy arrested , accuse the American people of being mean in their words and videos to muslim terrorists assaulting our amendment rights , basically accusing US of what their idea/ deeds DID . While ignoring the Needs of those they Sent  as the Ambassador,  and ignoring those guys fighting for their lives for HOURS.

. sorry i still pop a cork over this.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2013 09:32 AM (nqBYe)

44 36 Posted by: tasker I feel dirty having voted for McCain, he's a charlatan. Posted by: Dr Spank at September 11, 2013 01:29 PM (9jLim) ************** Yep. What's interesting is--at what point did you decide that. His vanity was an issue a long time ago---that and grudges. He gave the Dems cover to begin their attacks that undermined a larger effort that went beyond-- party.

Posted by: tasker at September 11, 2013 09:32 AM (r2PLg)

45 What did Democratic players still extant say about Reagan and Iran-Contra? What are the relevant laws today on the subject, anyway. Isn't there supposed to be some official approval program for arms sales?

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 09:32 AM (nMcHr)

46 No, no. no. This whole thing in Syria was nothing more than a few community organizers organizing the community to protest an oppressive government, Obama said so last night.

Somehow, extremist radical republicans covertly smuggled captured arms out of Libya into Syria just to stir up trouble. And look where we are now. It's those republicans, it's always the republicans; they love this kinda stuff, guns, bombs, war.

President Obama is trying to stop it by sending his Secretary of State, the well respected John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, to negotiate peace with the Russians.

Posted by: True Believer at September 11, 2013 09:33 AM (+JQnf)

47 Let's just keep this Nation as far away from Hillary's "Dark Star" as possible. IYKWIM wink, wink.  I can feel it from here...

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 11, 2013 09:33 AM (71LDo)

48 25 O'Bagy was fired from that war think tank. She who convinced McCain and Kerry on Syria.


People like her make me laugh. Did it never occur to her that someone might check up on her resume when she went in front of a camera on such an important piece of news?

Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 01:27 PM (GQ8sn)


It can be cover for them, it was an "out" if their pushed story backfired.

If the bombs were hitting Syria now , no one would care who she was.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 11, 2013 09:34 AM (AWmfW)

49

I don't understand how a YouTube video ass raped our ambassador?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 11, 2013 09:34 AM (0axsw)

50 Somebody has probably already said this but "Dark Star" must be a racist dog whistle for Hatin on da Zero.

Posted by: maddogg at September 11, 2013 09:34 AM (xWW96)

51 Think about how this applies in the Syrian context, both now and at the time of the original attack, then you are finally one to figuring it out.

If the truth comes out its not good for Obama or Clinton- hence the deflection and public play-acting by Clinton.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:34 AM (GGCsk)

52 3 And the chick, O'Bagy, that was lobbying for the Syrians got shitcanned for a fake PhD. There's irony in there somewhere.

Wow, our foreign policy is based on some 26yo chick with a fake PhD.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b]akula51 at September 11, 2013 09:34 AM (Tmcws)

53 What's interesting is--at what point did you decide that.
Posted by: tasker

A long time ago.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 11, 2013 09:34 AM (9jLim)

54 This little bastard has to go! Adam Baldwin ‏@AdamBaldwin 6m "@SenJohnMcCain: Obama should weigh bombing Syria without congressional approval: 'They're not going to impeach'Â…" - http://t.co/tjPx018IAU

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 11, 2013 09:35 AM (DmNpO)

55

I feel dirty having voted for McCain, he's a charlatan.

 

It was either him or the   Historic First Anti-American preznint evah. So yeah, he really was the lesser of two weevils.  I personally voted for Teh Moose Whisperer,  not him.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 11, 2013 09:35 AM (0HooB)

56 Somehow, extremist radical republicans covertly smuggled captured arms out of Libya into Syria just to stir up trouble.

And then they killed the Ambassador because he's gay.

Posted by: LIV lunching with True Believer at September 11, 2013 09:35 AM (/kI1Q)

57 The story helped link Romney to Benghazi because he commented on the US Embassy Cairo statement condemning the video. Remember the press attacking him? That was surreal because nobody who knew anything ever thought a video caused Benghazi. The coverup followed the accidental truth dump.

Posted by: Beagle at September 11, 2013 09:36 AM (sOtz/)

58 I swear to you the most despicable, destructive, dishonest people who are the biggest threat to our country occupy the media.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:36 AM (GGCsk)

59 is elizabethobagy.com available?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:36 AM (Z9EHQ)

60 What difference does it make now!!!!!!!!!! I mean fuck people!

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 11, 2013 09:37 AM (sUMBr)

61 Mickey Kaus once had a great line about how there's only 3 types of stories. I can't remember what the 3 were though. I remember one was: Everything You Know About X Is Wrong.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 09:38 AM (ZPrif)

62 what we do know.

any  govt apparatus in their control they use for ?
cia?
military?
atf?
irs?
nsa?
dhs?
epa?
nea?

their POLITICAL goals.
which is why they need to be forced out.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2013 09:38 AM (nqBYe)

63 Kaus, best crypto-Republican we have.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 09:38 AM (ZPrif)

64 O'Bagy was fired from that war think tank. She who convinced McCain and Kerry on Syria. People like her make me laugh. Did it never occur to her that someone might check up on her resume when she went in front of a camera on such an important piece of news? Her defense is that she submitted and defended her PhD thesis and is waiting for Georgetown to confer the official documents. Is that true? I don't know. Still, it's a bit more defensible than it's made out to be.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 11, 2013 09:39 AM (yETln)

65 yeah, I voted for McCain. What the hell else was I going to do- stay home? At least I was going to cancel out my moonbat brother's Obama vote.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 09:39 AM (8sCoq)

66 This isn't a piece with a lot of partisan bite in it-- it's not really clear that we shouldn't have been doing this or we should have been doing even more of this or whatever other sort of political criticism one could immediately mount.



I disagree Ace.  Sending arms to our terrorist enemy is against the law and make no mistake, the Syrian rebels ARE terrorists.  THERE. ARE. NO. GOOD. GUYS there.



And on top of that they completely bungled the entire operation and Hillary would not even let the military respond and then lied to congress about it.  (5 years in jail and $5K fine)



Some assholes need to be in jail, starting with Hillary.

Posted by: Vic at September 11, 2013 09:39 AM (zZbNF)

67

When I need advice on foreign policy in a country with a hot civil war in progress, I always turn to the opinion of a wet-behind-the-ears kid straight out of kollidge with a phony PHD.

 

Especially when the Russians are involved.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 11, 2013 09:39 AM (0HooB)

68 Kaus, best crypto-Republican we have shhhhhh don't scare him off He is a believer is Truth, that doesn't mean Republican. At all.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 11, 2013 09:40 AM (2up3Q)

69 I suppose if obagy gets really desperate and is willing to do the really hardcore stuff she could get a job on msnbc. I am not sure how much she hates her parents.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:40 AM (Z9EHQ)

70 This isn't a piece with a lot of partisan bite in it-- it's not really clear that we shouldn't have been doing this or we should have been doing even more of this or whatever other sort of political criticism one could immediately mount. I think my view is similar to yours, ace, but let me spell out my reasoning: I have no problem with the "dirty" operations that the CIA were doing in Benghazi, at least per se. The CIA does stuff. Hypocritical stuff. Illegal stuff. And when they do, we pretend to be shocked (shocked) and move on. But the Obama administration was so invested in the Lightworker's narrative, that they had to sacrifice 4 men so that their hypocrisy wouldn't be uncovered. Because, like the NSA, IRS and the drone strikes, Obama is in it up to his eyebrows. It's not rogue agencies, it's him. (More precisely, it's probably Jarrett.) But none of that would have gotten out. It's Obama's guilt that betrays him.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 09:40 AM (T0NGe)

71 @57 Felt kinda like bunga bunga, or death by bunga bunga... Either way, there is no lube.

Posted by: Cold Rage at September 11, 2013 09:40 AM (ysZ+h)

72

Three more years of this.

 

 

Posted by: Boots at September 11, 2013 09:40 AM (oG66P)

73 Yeah, remember after Romney's statement on the Egypt embassy riot, and before he knew of the Benghazi attack, the national press corp in complete alignment with the administration and Bronco's reelection campaign minions, attacked Romney for being disrespectful and stupid...  and shut up already, how DARE Romney have an opinion on foreign affairs!!  Gosh you guys!!  ...   yeah.... good times, good times..

Posted by: Yip at September 11, 2013 09:41 AM (/jHWN)

74 And the chick, O'Bagy, that was lobbying for the Syrians got shitcanned for a fake PhD. There's irony in there somewhere. Posted by: NCKate

Release the FLAMING SKULL!!!!

Posted by: Dang at September 11, 2013 09:41 AM (Hx2XA)

75
Wow, our foreign policy is based on some 26yo chick with a fake PhD.

Posted by: akula51 at September 11, 2013 01:34 PM .................Why not? Our president is a 53 year old community organizer. Captain Kickass to you!

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 11, 2013 09:42 AM (sUMBr)

76 28 years old, or so she claims, and she has ruined her own career.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 01:31 PM (Z9EHQ)


She probably was just a hired messenger. This isnt something she herself made up.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 11, 2013 09:42 AM (AWmfW)

77 Her defense is that she submitted and defended her PhD thesis and is waiting for Georgetown to confer the official documents. Is that true? I don't know. Still, it's a bit more defensible than it's made out to be. Posted by: bonhomme she is screwed no matter what her defense is, she is going to get her own personal air snub from the administration for embarrassing them facts be damned.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:42 AM (Z9EHQ)

78 I disagree Ace. Sending arms to our terrorist enemy is against the law and make no mistake, the Syrian rebels ARE terrorists. THERE. ARE. NO. GOOD. GUYS there. Meh, keep 'em fighting. But even so, Vic, ace's point is that this is not a partisan objection, except inasmuch as Obama has taken one side of the issue over the other.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 09:42 AM (T0NGe)

79 Okay cripes. The Atlantic Council only sponsored a talk on C-Span that she was at. Sorry about that. Ya--I voted for mcCain too--don't get me wrong. Although I was always afraid he would act as his own Sec Def.

Posted by: tasker at September 11, 2013 09:42 AM (r2PLg)

80 Wow, our foreign policy is based on some 26yo chick with a fake PhD boobs.



It could have been so much better. 

Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 09:42 AM (GQ8sn)

81 Whoever it was who said that TFG is now Putin's pet Directv pygmy giraffe was dead on right.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at September 11, 2013 09:43 AM (EvRM+)

82 Just so everyone understands Iran-Contra ain't old news--some libs have got an "Alternate History Thread", with apparently Reagan being impeached over Iran-Contra--posted so as to ruin the Reagan image. Posting dates are from last year.

So naturally, we see Democrats doing the same thing, and expecting everyone to just go along, as they try to disgrace another guy not of their party. Typical Leftist stuff, and why you cannot hand them power. They simply have too few internal restrictions on behavior.

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 09:43 AM (nMcHr)

83 But the Obama administration was so invested in the Lightworker's narrative, that they had to sacrifice 4 men so that their hypocrisy wouldn't be uncovered. And were willing to sacrifice what, thirty more who didn't die?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 11, 2013 09:43 AM (yETln)

84 And the irony that Obama is heavily arming "rebels" as a primary means of support to help them overthrow a dictatorial government, and his blatant attempts to dilute and contravene our Second Amendment is not lost on me.

By the way, the article just tainted me on everything Mike Rogers says. He apparently had a big dog in this fight and my guess is his integrity has therefore been compromised on every other issue.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:43 AM (GGCsk)

85 @82 Only if there were pics.

Posted by: Cold Rage at September 11, 2013 09:44 AM (ysZ+h)

86 Steve Sailer has long posited that Obama's mother, given her unusual career path, had CIA connections. I've never really looked into it. That sort of globe-trotting liberal NGO world.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 09:44 AM (ZPrif)

87 maybe obama should have assad and some rebels over to camp david?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:44 AM (Z9EHQ)

88 3 And the chick, O'Bagy, that was lobbying for the Syrians got shitcanned for a fake PhD. There's irony in there somewhere She claimed it in "Arab Studies". Every Ph.D. in a "Studies" is fake.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 09:45 AM (T0NGe)

89 75 Yeah, remember after Romney's statement on the Egypt embassy riot, and before he knew of the Benghazi attack, the national press corp in complete alignment with the administration and Bronco's reelection campaign minions, attacked Romney for being disrespectful and stupid... and shut up already, how DARE Romney have an opinion on foreign affairs!! Gosh you guys!! ... yeah.... good times, good times..

Posted by: Yip at September 11, 2013 01:41 PM (/jHWN)


That's the "dark-star" effect, he got too close to the real story.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 11, 2013 09:45 AM (AWmfW)

90 yeah, I voted for McCain. What the hell else was I going to do- stay home? At least I was going to cancel out my moonbat brother's Obama vote.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 01:39 PM .........................Same here, same moonbat brother in law too! Granted I had to shower immediately and drink a fifth of scotch when I got done. I did the same thing with Mittens too. The nice part is that I will never have to feel that way ever again because I'll never vote Rino Squish again because our turd is just a bit shinier than their turd.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 11, 2013 09:45 AM (sUMBr)

91 OT.

President Bush throwing out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium: 10/30/2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxR1tZ08FcI&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 11, 2013 09:46 AM (gqgiP)

92 Our JEFinC is a community organizer with a fake degree.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 11, 2013 09:46 AM (0axsw)

93 Lotta cash in the Arab Studies industry

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 09:46 AM (8sCoq)

94 Mr Happy, they consistently do that, They'll also say Bush's illegal war, act like He didn't get congress on board, and He didn't go to the U.N. etc
an old game.
I wonder if they keep winning if the history books will espouse Their truthless nes.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2013 09:46 AM (nqBYe)

95

You have to admit it, sometimes Ramirez hits the nail squarely.

http://tinyurl.com/ocgs7hg

Posted by: maddogg at September 11, 2013 09:47 AM (xWW96)

96 Is the CIA naive enough to think that arming select "commanders" who they've vetted to receive arms simply-- retained those arms once in the war zone? I doubt it.

Look at the  map of where know extremists are in Syria. They are mostly along the Turkish and Iraqi borders.

Something doesn't smell right.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:47 AM (GGCsk)

97 93

I'm sure Mr. Obama can throw out the first pitch one day in Benghazi. Hopefully the ball won't be a Christian's head.

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 09:47 AM (nMcHr)

98 80  But even so, Vic, ace's point is that this is not a partisan objection, except inasmuch as Obama has taken one side of the issue over the other.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 01:42 PM (T0NGe)



The ONLY thing that keeps Republicans from attacking Obama on shipping weapons to our enemies is either they agree or they have no balls.  It should be a partisan issue.

Posted by: Vic at September 11, 2013 09:47 AM (zZbNF)

99 Her defense is that she submitted and defended her PhD thesis and is waiting for Georgetown to confer the official documents. Is that true? I don't know. Still, it's a bit more defensible than it's made out to be.
Posted by: bonhomme

The snafu escalated into a kerfuffle.

Posted by: Dang at September 11, 2013 09:47 AM (Hx2XA)

100 elizabeth obagy in analysts gone wild

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:47 AM (Z9EHQ)

101 Isn't the 26 year old liar also explicitly working with the rebels?

Posted by: Lauren at September 11, 2013 09:48 AM (dS0vi)

102 so you're taking the orientation tour at Georgetown U, trying to come up with a major, and you think, 'yeah, Arab Studies. That's a moneymaker.'

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 09:48 AM (8sCoq)

103 A new proposal by House Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) that purports to defund Obamacare will do exactly the opposite. It will guarantee that it is funded, meanwhile providing political cover to elected leaders who can claim they did everything they could to stop implementation of the law. The plan calls for passing a clean continuing resolution as soon as this Thursday, and then passing a separate resolution that would “defund” the health care law. In the meantime, the rule that brings the bill to the floor will allow the Senate to ignore the defunding bill and simply pass the continuing resolution that funds Obamacare. The bill would then go to President Barack Obama for his signature, not back to the House of Representatives as under traditional, constitutional order when the House and Senate pass differing versions of the same legislation. In short, it’s a gimmick. And a sellout.

Posted by: Dewey, Cheatem & Howe at September 11, 2013 09:48 AM (e8kgV)

104
I feel dirty having voted for McCain, he's a charlatan.

I tried...but I couldn't do it. He was, and is, too much of a liberal shitweasel. An incompetent liberal lying shitweasel. A senile lying liberal incompetent shitweasel. A liberal senile incompetent lying two-faced shitweasel.

Etc.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 11, 2013 09:48 AM (0IhFx)

105 I now think we dodged a bullet with McCain. I don't think we'd be any better off with him in office yet the condition we are in would rest firmly with Republicans. Hell, with the way McCain likes to drop bombs, we might be even worse off. I cannot say the same of Romney. I still think he is a fine man and would have made a fine POTUS.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 11, 2013 09:48 AM (DmNpO)

106 Barista O'Bagy has a nice ring to it.  Good luck!

Posted by: Dang at September 11, 2013 09:48 AM (Hx2XA)

107 I'm seeing O'Bagy got a masters degree this year from Georgetown. The university hasn't commented on the PhD yet.

Posted by: NCKate at September 11, 2013 09:48 AM (KKfVH)

108 One big problem is there is no longer any national consensus on America's purpose in the world. When both Repubs and Dems were anti-Communist, I wasn't too concerned about the CIA doing illegal shit in the world. I had a decent idea of the type of illegal shit they were doing and, mostly, supported it. But what kind of illegal shit is Obama ordering be done? And what are the odds that that illegal shit is something I'd agree with? He mainly seems to be illegally arming sunni terrorists (Syria) and overthrowing allied govts (Egypt) so they can be replaced with sunni terrorists.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 09:49 AM (ZPrif)

109 Whatever the CIA was doing in Benghazi is simply not any kind of excuse for failing to take security threats seriously, or for failing to mount a rescue when men could still have been saved, or for perpetrating a ridiculous lie about a YouTube video on the public. Posted by Ace at 01:15 PM .... or leaving the video maker to rot in prison.

Posted by: Mindy, Marxist Math instructor at September 11, 2013 09:49 AM (VpeC8)

110 Hello, welcome to Costco.  I love you!

Posted by: Elizabeth O'Bagy at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (GQ8sn)

111 McCain would have been 1000x better. The only way you can see he wouldn't be is if you willfully ignore all the judicial appointments Obama has made. You really underestimate how much power and damage the judiciary can do.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (ZPrif)

112

The ONLY thing that keeps Republicans from attacking Obama on shipping weapons to our enemies is either they agree or they have no balls. It should be a partisan issue.

 

Like so many other things that should be partisan issues, but aren't, thanks to the spineless GOP.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (0HooB)

113 Had McCain won, this would simply be Obama's first term, not second.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b]akula51 at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (Tmcws)

114 >3 And the chick, O'Bagy, that was lobbying for the Syrians got shitcanned for a fake PhD. There's irony in there somewhere <

That was my last straw for the WSJ. I lost all respect for their integrity after they foisted that OP-ED on its readers.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (GGCsk)

115 Isn't the 26 year old liar also explicitly working with the rebels? Posted by: Lauren she is the "mouthpiece" for their political wing. I hope they do not have some sort of clawback provision in her contract or a guarantee of satisfaction.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (Z9EHQ)

116 O'Bagy was lobbying for the Syrian rebels, yes.

Posted by: NCKate at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (KKfVH)

117 Although I was always afraid he would act as his own Sec Def. McCain's convictions aside, he's the kind of guy who, if he were a head football coach, would insist on calling all the plays and drafting all the players.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (T0NGe)

118 "Benghazi, One Year Later: Why We Were There In the First Place" And if you said this a few months ago, people would have labeled you a "CONSPIRACY NUT."

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (bb5+k)

119 >Isn't the 26 year old liar also explicitly working with the rebels?


well, she's probably not building IEDs for them, but she says she commingles with them in pursuit of whatever it is she says she does

it's like she's 'embedded' with them, as it were, from time to time. You know, Arab Studies and stuff.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 09:50 AM (8sCoq)

120 If we ask nice can we get another country to arm us? maybe Canada?

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2013 09:51 AM (kPeSM)

121 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 01:49 PM (ZPrif)

Excellent point [for a Dodgers fan].

We no longer have a coherent political philosophy driving our actions, other than Obama's "Gee, rebels are cool!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 11, 2013 09:51 AM (gqgiP)

122 The Dark Star is not arms.

The Dark Star is money.

Arms simply do not flow internationally without commensurate money flowing as well.  Purchases, payoffs, and sheltering - a lot of Saudi money flowing into a lot of places it does not belong (campaign coffers, anyone?)

That's what the Administration wants to hide. 

Posted by: ThomasD at September 11, 2013 09:51 AM (5XCvp)

123 I now think we dodged a bullet with McCain. I don't think we'd be any better off with him in office yet the condition we are in would rest firmly with Republicans. Hell, with the way McCain likes to drop bombs, we might be even worse off.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 11, 2013 01:48 PM (DmNpO)

I am torn on this.


With a Republican We can demonstrate, Yell, threaten,  with the Media , hellywood everyone on board.

in other words, They can be contained. They Can be stopped

not so much the Progressive party.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2013 09:51 AM (nqBYe)

124 >>>And if you said this a few months ago, people would have labeled you a "CONSPIRACY NUT."

oh dear.  Dog with a bone.

Posted by: ace at September 11, 2013 09:51 AM (/IWYB)

125 Isn't the 26 year old liar also explicitly working with the rebels?

Posted by: Lauren at September 11, 2013 01:48 PM ...........Yes. She's like the Sandra Fluke of Damascus.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 11, 2013 09:51 AM (sUMBr)

126 >McCain's convictions aside, he's the kind of guy who, if he were a head football coach, would insist on calling all the plays and drafting all the players.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 01:50 PM (T0NGe)



yes, and his answer to every offense would be to send everybody on a blitz every play

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 09:52 AM (8sCoq)

127 103 Isn't the 26 year old liar also explicitly working with the rebels? Posted by: Lauren at September 11, 2013 01:48 PM (dS0vi) ************* Supposedly. She said something so -illogical--at that Atlantic Council talk that.... Listen she is smart--"talking"--but there was a bit where she "corrected" everyone else there that was a huge clue she is naive to say the least. to be generous. (I feel like Ace wants to talk about something else here--I don't like calling Woods and Doherty CIA because that slimes them with Liberals--yes Liberals are that scummy--but they are he power these days.)

Posted by: tasker at September 11, 2013 09:52 AM (r2PLg)

128 Listen,  barista O'Bagy,  eager kids do crazy shit.  Now make me a grande mocha latte with an extra shot of boo-hoo.  Chop chop.  Run along.

Posted by: Dang at September 11, 2013 09:52 AM (Hx2XA)

129 >I'm sure Mr. Obama can throw out the first pitch one day in Benghazi. Hopefully the ball won't be a Christian's head. <

I cried.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:52 AM (GGCsk)

130 Yeah, the WSJ used to have accurate reporting & sorta-conservative, sorta-contrarian editorials. I quit reading it a few years back. IBD does better.

Posted by: backhoe at September 11, 2013 09:52 AM (ULH4o)

131


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Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at September 11, 2013 09:52 AM (Pr6hk)

132 If we ask nice can we get another country to arm us? maybe Canada?


Our inside man, EoJ, can get us anything we want:  Cuban cigars, maple syrup, Calgary stampede girls, etc.


Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 09:52 AM (GQ8sn)

133 119 Although I was always afraid he would act as his own Sec Def. McCain's convictions aside, he's the kind of guy who, if he were a head football coach, would insist on calling all the plays and drafting all the players. Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 01:50 PM (T0NGe) ****************** Hell--he'd probably cross the line and throw a tackle--himself.

Posted by: tasker at September 11, 2013 09:54 AM (r2PLg)

134 Barista O'Bagy?

I'll have the Bacon Latte, extra strips on the top.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:54 AM (GGCsk)

135 Her defense is that she submitted and defended her PhD thesis and is waiting for Georgetown to confer the official documents. Is that true? I don't know. Still, it's a bit more defensible than it's made out to be. Again, every PhD in a "Studies" is fake by definition, but by the technical rules of the university, unless there is some sort of weird snafu, you defend and do your paperwork by a certain date. If so, your date of graduation is fixed. I defended my PhD in August. My date of Ph.D. was officially "October". I knew this long before. Everybody knows what their date of graduation is, long before they graduate.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 09:54 AM (T0NGe)

136 it's like she's 'embedded' with them, as it were, from time to time. You know, Arab Studies and stuff.

Summer internship with the Muslim Brotherhood?  Do they get a stipend?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 11, 2013 09:54 AM (/kI1Q)

137 Isn't the 26 year old liar also explicitly working with the rebels?
Posted by: Lauren

Mostly just attending a few cuddle parties,  but yes.

Posted by: Dang at September 11, 2013 09:54 AM (Hx2XA)

138 So a 27 year old 'kid' allied with Syrian rebels pulled the wool over the eyes of the New York Times, John Kerry, and John McCain? Hard to believe for about 10, maybe 15 seconds.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 11, 2013 09:54 AM (U2UQk)

139 Our inside man, EoJ, can get us anything we want: Cuban cigars, maple syrup, Calgary stampede girls, etc.


Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 01:52 PM (GQ8sn)

 

 

I have the cigars and syrup covered (family in Buffalo area). But, talk to me about the stampede girls .

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2013 09:54 AM (kl3xJ)

140 Can we just get McCain a dribble cup and call it a day?

Nothing the man says is coherent.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:55 AM (GGCsk)

141 107 I now think we dodged a bullet with McCain. I don't think we'd be any better off with him in office yet the condition we are in would rest firmly with Republicans. Hell, with the way McCain likes to drop bombs, we might be even worse off. I cannot say the same of Romney. I still think he is a fine man and would have made a fine POTUS. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 11, 2013 01:48 PM (DmNpO) I think he would have been what we needed to solve the financial crises, and was therefore the best man available for this most critical of issues. Beyond that, I opposed him every step through the nominating process till he was the last man left standing.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 11, 2013 09:55 AM (bb5+k)

142 66 she's submitted her thesis ======================== I'd like to see that confirmed before I'll believe it. Last Friday I posted a picture of her upon graduation, without distinction, from the hugely controversial Georgetown Arab Studies program. It was just four months ago and she was awarded a Masters. As I said then, its hard to believe she could go from a BA to a PhD in two years. http://bit.ly/1g0G0SZ

Posted by: MTF at September 11, 2013 09:55 AM (qf2kI)

143

Didn't obammy claim he was just like Ronald Reagan?

Well now he has his own Iran/Contra...

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at September 11, 2013 09:55 AM (25KoS)

144

I think allot of us woke up in the morning after the last election with "coyote arm".  and allot of shame to boot. I personally will never have to worry about it again as I have successfully finished my RINO Squish   12 step program. I will be dammned though if I will quite drinking, not while the JEF is in office.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 11, 2013 09:55 AM (sUMBr)

145 Why is there a 501c3, pending IRS approval, that's purpose is to provide aid to the Syrian rebels? O'Bagy's other employer.

Posted by: NCKate at September 11, 2013 09:56 AM (KKfVH)

146

I would go so far as to suggest virtually all major news stories have a "dark star" component to them.  I would also suggest we know our media is often in on keeping the secret.  What I don't appreciate is the fact that they then turn around and pretend to be impartial. 

 

 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 11, 2013 09:56 AM (TOk1P)

147 TheBlaze ‏@theblaze 6m

First photos of the "Million Muslim March" are in...and they don't look good


http://is.gd/ki6cD9


there are literally TENS of people assembled to march against something


Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 09:56 AM (8sCoq)

148 advantage BIKERS

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 09:56 AM (8sCoq)

149 I wonder if they keep winning if the history books will espouse Their truthless nes. And in 2003, President Bush(*) lied to congress to acquire a war resolution. Because of those lies, the resolution, and thus the war in Iraq, was illegal. President Obama removed the United States from this illegal war. During the Syrian crisis, President Obama chose not to lie to congress(*); therefor, the Syrian action item was within the bounds of Presidential power. (*) Not legally elected, see p. 666.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 11, 2013 09:56 AM (QF8uk)

150 137 I defended my PhD in August. My date of Ph.D. was officially "October".

SMOD™, hitting in September, wouldn't have considered you to be a "Dr.".  Luckily I guess it took the month off.

Posted by: [/i][/s][/b]akula51 at September 11, 2013 09:56 AM (Tmcws)

151 Our inside man, EoJ, can get us anything we want: Cuban cigars, maple syrup, Calgary stampede girls, etc.

Kinder Surprise?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 11, 2013 09:56 AM (/kI1Q)

152 I think allot of us woke up in the morning after the last election with "coyote arm". and allot of shame to boot. I personally will never have to worry about it again as I have successfully finished my RINO Squish 12 step program. I will be dammned though if I will quite drinking, not while the JEF is in office. Posted by: Minnfidel a well voting for mccain and waking up with coyote are the same. voting for obama would, I imagine, be like waking up with obama.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (Z9EHQ)

153 so you're taking the orientation tour at Georgetown U, trying to come up with a major, and you think, 'yeah, Arab Studies. That's a moneymaker.'

If you can pair it with the ability to speak Arabic, you're pretty much guaranteed a job.  No need to take the hard classes (calculus, physics, etc) either.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (SY2Kh)

154

Summer internship with the Muslim Brotherhood? Do they get a stipend?

 

If  by "stipend" you mean clitorectomy, then yeah.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (0HooB)

155 A "furthermore" on the relevancy of Benghazi--

The people have just had an opportunity on whether they would use American arms to support those fighting Assad, with the moral case of Chem Weapons use thrown in. So far, it is going to be a resounding defeat for those so desiring, a resounding "no" from the people.

Therefore, it is *uncontestable* that supplying arms to these rebels--whom the people have just about completely rejected supporting-would not have been under a universal favorable consensus in 2012, and thus doing so would be a legitimate point of public debate. Period, no debate possible. Legitimate argument, legitimate topic of public discussion. Or else the mid-80s anti-Contra laws were wrong too.

Thus, the press have prevented the people from debating an issue of statecraft, and on an issue that caused a disastrous and humiliating incident, and which incident was an incident that briefly was used to suppress anyone disagreeing intensely with Islam, regardless of reason.

The press not only allowed the people to not have a debate on an issue that, as we now see, they would have told their government "no" on, but at the same time they knew the "video" thing was a bunch of bull. The press clearly participated in news manipulation and public relations control. 

Why then should we not go to a British style of press control, if they of the press are going to be an adjunct of government anyway? Why should not libel laws be changed, if the press are going to be so clearly one-sided?

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (nMcHr)

156 Ben Ghazi?  Loved him in 'Road House'

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (Pr6hk)

157 Isn't the 26 year old liar also explicitly working with the rebels? Yes. She has explicitly said that her "job" as she sees it is to give people the other side's POV.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (yETln)

158

My main outrage about supplying arms to the Syrian rebels is that  long before 9/11/12, we knew that AQ and the MB were the predominate political force behind the resistance to Assad.

 

I don't like Assad.   He's a cruel dictator.   And  I don't like his threats toward Israel.  But he did  try to keep the unholy duo (AQ and MB) out of Syria  and staunch the spread of the caliphate.  

Posted by: Soona at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (3Mz5/)

159 104 so you're taking the orientation tour at Georgetown U, trying to come up with a major, and you think, 'yeah, Arab Studies. That's a moneymaker.'

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 01:48 PM (8sCoq)


As a lobbyist for gulf states, I think you can get by.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (AWmfW)

160 As I said then, its hard to believe she could go from a BA to a PhD in two years. It's a "Studies" degree. A mathematician only needs a pencil, paper and a wastebasket. In **** Studies, they don't need the wastebasket.

Posted by: AmishDude, doin' a "thing" at September 11, 2013 09:57 AM (T0NGe)

161 TheBlaze ‏@theblaze 6m First photos of the "Million Muslim March" are in...and they don't look good do you mean the photos or the attendees?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:58 AM (Z9EHQ)

162 You want a phony scandal? Outing file clerk Plame.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at September 11, 2013 09:58 AM (uizr/)

163 But, talk to me about the stampede girls


http://wpmedia.blogs.calgaryherald.com/2012/07/cowboys1.jpg


Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)

164 If we ask nice can we get another country to arm us? maybe Canada?
Posted by: wrg500

We stack them deep and sell them cheap, tovarisch!

Posted by: Putin & Co. LLC at September 11, 2013 09:58 AM (5MlcW)

165 Yes, I am sure someone with the surname O'Bagy whose is a twenty something female, from the United States would be a real hit with the Syrian "rebels".

Honestly, anybody falling for that and not figuring out her purpose was to put a western face on these terrorists should be the first on their block to get a free lobotomy using Obamacare.  

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 09:58 AM (GGCsk)

166 Well, wrong. I have no objection to this sort of thing.

I object to the running of guns to Al Qaeda, a declared enemy of the USA (by their own voice and the 2001 AUMF).

The Constituion has a word for that: Treason.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2013 09:58 AM (hO9ad)

167 yeah, in DC being a certified "Arab expert" actually has been a big money-maker for the past 12 years. And Georgetown is a big player in that game.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 09:59 AM (ZPrif)

168 so you're taking the orientation tour at Georgetown U, trying to come up with a major, and you think, 'yeah, Arab Studies. That's a moneymaker.' Is it not? I would guess that a black female with a PhD in Arab Studies would fly through the ranks at any number of Gov't agencies.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 11, 2013 09:59 AM (yETln)

169 Kinder Surprise?



The "surprises" have gotten lame over the years.  You can order some from a specialty food shop somewhere in CA, last time I checked.

Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 09:59 AM (GQ8sn)

170 Arms simply do not flow internationally without commensurate money flowing as well. Purchases, payoffs, and sheltering - a lot of Saudi money flowing into a lot of places it does not belong (campaign coffers, anyone?) That's what the Administration wants to hide. Posted by: ThomasD at September 11, 2013 01:51 PM (5XCvp) Curmudgeonly and Skeptical alleges that Saudi money created the financial crises in 2008 that saved Barack's foundering presidential campaign. (Remember when McCain suspended his campaing to deal with the problem?) It is argued that someone swung 500 billion dollars to initiate the crises, and "Curmudgeonly and Skeptical" argues that only the Saudis could have done such a thing. Methinks the Saudis are involved in a lot of Obama shit.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 11, 2013 09:59 AM (bb5+k)

171 As I said then, its hard to believe she could go from a BA to a PhD in two years. It's a "Studies" degree. A mathematician only needs a pencil, paper and a wastebasket. In **** Studies, they don't need the wastebasket. Posted by: AmishDude well, if it was in arab women's studies two years is doable - how much could she have to study?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 09:59 AM (Z9EHQ)

172 If you can pair it with the ability to speak Arabic, you're pretty much guaranteed a job. No need to take the hard classes (calculus, physics, etc) either. Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 11, 2013 01:57 PM (SY2Kh) The "Arab Studies" part is a bullshit credential. "Hey! I know stuff!" "Really?" "No. Not really." But the ability to speak Arabic is a big moneymaker, no doubt.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2013 09:59 AM (T0NGe)

173 A PhD in two years would be pretty close to the record. I don't care if it's in waste-paper basketball.

Posted by: Marcus at September 11, 2013 10:00 AM (GGCsk)

174 That's not even a thousand.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 11, 2013 10:00 AM (0axsw)

175 Why then should we not go to a British style of press control, if they of the press are going to be an adjunct of government anyway? Why should not libel laws be changed, if the press are going to be so clearly one-sided?

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 01:57 PM (nMcHr)


This control is more transparent , most people dont see it...

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 11, 2013 10:00 AM (AWmfW)

176

 advantage BIKERS

 

Was there ever any doubt?

Posted by: Infidel at September 11, 2013 10:00 AM (O/fK8)

177 126 >>>And if you said this a few months ago, people would have labeled you a "CONSPIRACY NUT." oh dear. Dog with a bone. Posted by: ace at September 11, 2013 01:51 PM (/IWYB) Woof!

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 11, 2013 10:00 AM (bb5+k)

178 In the movies, the operative is always told by the evil CIA directory that if they are caught they are on their own. The operative then goes into Bond/Bourne mode and casually walks away over a mountain of bodies. Obviously those Bengazi losers are at fault for failing to put on a good show. No sequel for them.

Posted by: steve n speelburg at September 11, 2013 10:00 AM (i9DWd)

179

"...its hard to believe she could go from a BA to a PhD in two years."

 

I'm willing to bet that if you graphed it out, the degrees are in linear proportion to the amount and quality of the blowjobs given.

 

Of course, assfucking will accelerate the process, as will acting sheep-like.

 

 

Posted by: jwest at September 11, 2013 10:00 AM (u2a4R)

180 It seems Barack Obama wants everyone in the world to be able to have weapons but Americans.

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 10:00 AM (nMcHr)

181 ALL RIGHT ALL RIGHT  Arab Studies is the ticket to success. I get it.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 10:01 AM (8sCoq)

182
TheBlaze ‏@theblaze 6m

First photos of the "Million Muslim March" are in...and they don't look good


do you mean the photos or the attendees?

It looks....underwhelming, (I've seen more people standing in that area just waiting to cross the street). Like a climate warming event hosted and attended by AlGrrr. Or lately, an OFA event.

But.....ten bux says the MFM will cover it, and ignore in large part all those noisy motorcycles from the fly over states.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 11, 2013 10:01 AM (0IhFx)

183
One of the problems was that they were working with al queda (probably).  That's the big thing to me anyway.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 11, 2013 10:01 AM (sj9LN)

184 It is argued that someone swung 500 billion dollars to initiate the crises, and "Curmudgeonly and Skeptical" argues that only the Saudis could have done such a thing. Methinks the Saudis are involved in a lot of Obama shit. Posted by: Diogenes' $500 billion? Saudis do not have a spare $500 billion.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 10:02 AM (Z9EHQ)

185

Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 01:58 PM (GQ8sn)

 

I'll take "4" to go please.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 11, 2013 10:03 AM (mwctc)

186 I think it is clear now that if this incident had fully come out, Mr. Obama may not have won. At the very least, it would have been a lot closer.

We must obey the laws, but I think we should not consider this last election particularly legitimate, not the system behind it (voter suppression indeed), and should always be thinking if this Union is truly one of mutual advantage.

I wonder what *else* the Left has been up to that people might not approve of?

Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 11, 2013 10:03 AM (nMcHr)

187 A credential from Georgetown that you are a certified official "expert" on Arabs really is a valuable credential. That will open a lot of doors in DC. Govt contracts place great value on people on your team having the right credentials. If Georgetown says you are an Arab expert then you are, at least in the eyes of the federal govt and their contracts award process.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 10:03 AM (ZPrif)

188 How much would the Saudis pay to have an American president who had been raised and educated in a Sunni madrassa?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 11, 2013 10:05 AM (ZPrif)

189 If Georgetown says you are an Arab expert then you are, at least in the eyes of the federal govt and their contracts award process.


This is why DC is full of fucked up, retarded people.  We have the very "best" running our country.

Posted by: EC at September 11, 2013 10:05 AM (GQ8sn)

190 I object to the running of guns to Al Qaeda, a declared enemy of the USA (by their own voice and the 2001 AUMF). The Constituion has a word for that: Treason. Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2013 01:58 PM (hO9ad) Treason doth not prosper, What's the reason? for if it prosper, none dare call it "Treason."

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 11, 2013 10:05 AM (bb5+k)

191 How much would the Saudis pay to have an American president who had been raised and educated in a Sunni madrassa? Posted by: Flatbush Joe well it depends. do you want the bow also?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 10:06 AM (Z9EHQ)

192 Why are we the only ones who have to follow the law? Maybe it's time for a little lawlessness by conservatives?

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 11, 2013 10:06 AM (9jLim)

193 "The villager grasps the goat gently,  but firmly,  from behind... "

Posted by: Certified official "expert" on Arabs at September 11, 2013 10:07 AM (Hx2XA)

194 183 ALL RIGHT ALL RIGHT Arab Studies is the ticket to success. I get it. Posted by: Jones in CO at September 11, 2013 02:01 PM (8sCoq) Naw, just merely another case in which the government distorts the natural market forces. It's temporary, I assure you.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 11, 2013 10:07 AM (bb5+k)

195 So how did 26- year old grad student O'Bagy make the connections necessary to travel with and among the Free Syrian Army? Sent them a selfie? Or did she never even go?

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 11, 2013 10:08 AM (ZshNr)

196

Curmudgeonly and Skeptical alleges that Saudi money created the financial crises in 2008 that saved Barack's foundering presidential campaign. (Remember when McCain suspended his campaing to deal with the problem?) 

 

I posted this over at my blog about the Crash of 2008. In it, there's a link to a report you should read. It'll curl your hair. -

http://tinyurl.com/3opafra

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 11, 2013 10:10 AM (0HooB)

197 Why are we the only ones who have to follow the law? Maybe it's time for a little lawlessness by conservatives?

It doesn't even have to be lawlessness (yet).

If you bop over to market-ticker.org, you'll find Karl has shut down for the day.

No ads + no activity = no taxable activity

We're we to engage in sufficiently large tax free holidays that the big spenders in DC notice, maybe we could achieve some improvements in their attitude.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2013 10:10 AM (hO9ad)

198 I understand that covert agencies do covert things, but I got a real problem with arming AQ or the MB. I have a real problem with arming anybody even vaguely allied with them. If Obama was doing this then the House needs to start impeachment proceedings and the Senate would have to convict--they may be able to blow off perjury about sex but no Senator could go back home after voting to acquit a guy that was sending weapons to AQ.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at September 11, 2013 10:11 AM (E3gqr)

199 Is it not? I would guess that a black female with a PhD in Arab Studies would fly through the ranks at any number of Gov't agencies. Posted by: bonhomme at September 11, 2013 01:59 PM (yETln) You have no idea. You'd be shocked at the demographics at some agencies these days. There's the old guard (60ish and older) who know a shit ton and don't put up with PC bullshit. There aren't many in between, but then there's the early twenties "experts" who have worked in counterterrorism for five years, but in reality they've just read about it from their comfortable desk. To them though, they were rappelling out of Blackhawks and popping jihadis left and right.

Posted by: Mainah at September 11, 2013 10:11 AM (659DL)

200 So how did 26- year old grad student O'Bagy make the connections necessary to travel with and among the Free Syrian Army?

Posted by: Lincolntf

We have no idea.

Posted by: Saudi Endowment @ G.town at September 11, 2013 10:11 AM (5MlcW)

201 Damn, did it again somehow.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 11, 2013 10:11 AM (bb5+k)

202 Yeah, i'm going to the barrel. bye.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 11, 2013 10:12 AM (bb5+k)

203 i think i'm offended  by the the civil rights  use marching of Islam, that teaches anything but civil rights for the rest of us, while denying civil rights to women, girls, and other sects in all the countries they reign.
including many of the imams here in country.

and the date. why 9-11?

shouldn't they be marching in yemen,syria, egypt, saudi arabia ,indonesia, jordon,  etc etc.for civil rights for Others?

or how about marching and saying Not In our Name ,  are they carrying THOSE signs ?re islam terrorists and islamist?
for All of our civil rights?

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2013 10:12 AM (nqBYe)

204 ...................
well, if it was in arab women's studies two years is doable - how much could she have to study?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 11, 2013 01:59 PM ////////////////................................Oddly enough there's no driving class offered?

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 11, 2013 10:13 AM (sUMBr)

205 Select all is not your friend.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at September 11, 2013 10:13 AM (E3gqr)

206 I don't think the barrel is big enough for that.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2013 10:14 AM (hO9ad)

207 So how did 26- year old grad student O'Bagy make the connections necessary to travel with and among the Free Syrian Army? Sent them a selfie? Or did she never even go? Posted by: Lincolntf

Good point.  She's a grandstanding little twerp and there are no photos of her on her Facebook page with Syrian toughs.

Posted by: Dang at September 11, 2013 10:14 AM (Hx2XA)

208 Sorry bud....  Barrel time

Posted by: Yip at September 11, 2013 10:16 AM (/jHWN)

209 209 I don't think the barrel is big enough for that.

Posted by: Methos at September 11, 2013 02:14 PM (hO9ad)


Doubtful the top will fit on, even with jumping on it

Posted by: Red Shirt at September 11, 2013 10:17 AM (FIDMq)

210 i know it's silly, but i wish they would have come out in the last years and said, You know what , I think the attacks were a horrible , painful thing I hate that Islam was used as the pretext for terrorism and WE hate it and don't agree and are pained by the people that were hurt for just showing up to work.

i would  have felt less angry .
maybe in time they will?
i just saw candies in dearborn  and happy happy haha
in palestine same thing.
etc.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2013 10:18 AM (nqBYe)

211 Thanks for the laugh though.... the farther I scrolled the more I laughed...  I though, holy shit...  who did this one?  heh

Posted by: Yip at September 11, 2013 10:18 AM (/jHWN)

212 nevermind.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2013 10:18 AM (nqBYe)

213 "Institute for the Study of . . . . '
Broom closet with a fax machine and a government grant.
Fronted by a scam artist with credentials.

Posted by: Ah Hell at September 11, 2013 10:20 AM (lfnk9)

214 No excuses for O'Bagy although it's possible she has done her Phd course work and is an ABD or something else.  But the choice to use her research is on those who dangled the shiny gold object in front of her.  She bit.  And they benefited.  And this includes Fox and WSJ.  Also General Keane, from the Institute on the Study of War, also a Fox contributor, was backing her up on the moderates.  Big misfire on her part.  Now the sacrificial lamb -- deservedly so.

Posted by: gracepmc at September 11, 2013 10:22 AM (rznx3)

215 Naw, just merely another case in which the government distorts the natural market forces.>>

There doing there best to kill petroleum jobs but are failing.

"The Most and Least Lucrative College Majors in a Single Graph"
http://bit.ly/15UcBUO

Lint to The Blaze

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 11, 2013 10:22 AM (wrS2o)

216 127 Isn't the 26 year old liar also explicitly working with the rebels?Posted by: Lauren at September 11, 2013 01:48 PM ...........Yes. She's like the Sandra Fluke of Damascus. --- Does she do camel and goat shows for them?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 11, 2013 10:26 AM (/Crba)

217 Reject, then tolerate, and finally embrace the progressive process, compliant conversion into totalitarianism. Well, 9/11/01 certainly placed the Muslim religion into the daily life of every American as something we not only must tolerate (already did that) but as what we must EMBRACE: subjugation. At first, Americans couldn't keep track of who/what was Sunni v. Shia. As for 9/11/01, remember that it was Saudis that served that terrorism to America, prepared under Clinton and then delivered under Bush's nose. It wasn't "Sunni" Islamists, but Wahhabi Sunnis that sponsored the terrorism (along with Western corporatist funding via government alliances for treaty political/military protection of terrorists.) Don't assume that Wahhabi Islam, though Sunni for the sake of its own claim to authenticity, is accepted by Sunni sects around the world. As is, Syria hosts populations representing many religions ranging from the initial Christian populations and all subsequent converts to various Muslim sects, Sunni majority. And remember, whatever he is, Assad is upholding Syria's sectarian government, protecting Syrians from non-Syrian terrorism; Assad's leadership fights against the onslaught of Wahhabi motivated, funded and sheltered Terrorists -- those who attacked the USA on 9/11/01. The old Sunni sects see the Wahhabi as a relatively recent political aberration arranged in cooperation with the House of Saud to become the warlord/theocratic union, to make Saudi Arabia THE country (Mecca) newly organized, sponsoring the Wahhabi ambitions to claim/be the Global Caliphate. To say that either Sunni sects or Shia sects recognize Wahhabi Islamists as the legitimate Throne Masters of all Muslims or of their "The God" Allah would be a gross mistake. Mecca is in Saudi Arabia which wasn't a nation until the British "made" it, aided with US corporate funding as well -- petro-dollars, in the WWI defeat of the Ottoman Empire which at that point in time was no longer a threat to humanity, anyway. Why? The Supreme Ottoman Sultan had already issued and began enforcing his ultimate Reformations that not only embraced Western business investments, construction and development and property ownership throughout the Ottoman Empire but most importantly, the Sultan had granted everyone equality under his government. He had broken the caste system and made all people equal REGARDLESS OF RELIGION. It would appear that the British did to the Ottoman Empire what Hillary/Obama did to Libya and Egypt, divide and conquer with unfulfilled promises of riches, then cast all the people down to grovel in despair, caught without peace between rivaling factions with no consensus in leadership, while the West is plundering the financial resources of the native populations left in anarchy to be victimized by terrorists. Notice, even the sectarian Constitutional nation state of Turkey would ultimately fall victim to the rabble of British funded Muslim Brotherhood jihadists whose initiation began, as Mohammad had, in the Arabian desert. And the US funded al-Qaeda, those who carried out the Saudi arranged 9/11/01 attacks, are now Obama's chickens coming home to roost. Not in my home. Passover.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 11, 2013 10:35 AM (MhA4j)

218 Fronted by a scam artist with [scam] credentials.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 11, 2013 10:39 AM (MhA4j)

219 Don't forget Hillary sneering at Rand Paul's question about gun running from Benghazi..."to Turkey?  No."  I thought at the time it sounded like a question of the definition of "is".

Posted by: MGCC at September 11, 2013 10:50 AM (H9eC4)

220 Much is made of culture. The "blessing in disguise" for Hebrew/Israelite captivity through the thousands of years was, acknowledged or not, their original primitive cultural assimilation of sophistry from the more advanced cultures and empires of the day. Even the ancient Hebrew/Canaanite plural "Gods" of Genesis transformed eventually into One God Over All after captivity in Babylon was released via the Zoroastrian Persian Cyrus generosity in spirit and funding, respecting the Hebrew God. Muslims who invaded and conquered civilized regions of the world adapted along the way (though not in captivity as their Abraham relatives the Jews had been), absorbing what "good" they recognized in their wealthy subjects, advancing themselves in philosophy, sciences and architecture. It wasn't until Europe's Renaissance that Christians, persecuted by their Church, began earnestly studying science. It still took hundreds of years before the Industrial Revolution (that enslaved the masses for the glut of the self-righteous obese opportunists as "God's Will") that Europe caught up and surpassed the Ottoman Empire considered the jewel of Islam. By that time, despite advanced philosophy and science within Islam incorporated from the greatest records available from previous empires, the Ottoman piracy/conquest for sustenance was soundly defeated by European naval forces. At that point, coinciding with the birth of our own nation, Islam began its decline. Whereas, the initial barbarians that made up the Mohammad Quran story never themselves became civilized enough to tolerate what good comes from other cultures/civilizations. Through the centuries, they kept rejecting knowledge for their fellow human beings because knowledge empowers the weak who must stay subjugated in slavery under the most bestial of authoritarian regimes that denounces the existence of inalienable rights. The House of Saud with the Wahhabi clerics would rule the world most cruelly if allowed.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 11, 2013 11:01 AM (MhA4j)

221 "to Turkey? No." MGCC, that was her feint procedural denial via process of elimination. Had Rand played that game, he could have won Jeopardy! hands down. So did he choke, or allow his time up?

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 11, 2013 11:04 AM (MhA4j)

222 He let the answer stand - "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a lawyer" maybe.  It was an easy follow up that I for one shouted at the TV.  I don't think they heard me, though, because I had the hearings on Tivo and the Senators and witnesses had already gone home.

Posted by: MGCC at September 11, 2013 11:15 AM (H9eC4)

223 The thing about Obama is he and his inner circle know that his core supporters won't be influenced - by anything.  He can grab dictatorial powers, spy on their phone calls, keep them unemployed, make things worse, even kill a baby on live TV and eat her still-beating heart right there, and these numbskulls will still support him and call anyone who objects to eating baby hearts right out of their little chests a racist.

Forty years of effective federal control of public education has dumbed down the electorate sufficiently that the stupid people have a working majority as long as they can keep their lazy, worthless, parasitic supporters motivated to vote.  That's why we have vote by mail, postcard registration, absentee voting for any or no reason, etc.  They have to make it extra easy or their people are always on the border of saying, "Nah, too much trouble."

They oppose Voter ID violently not because their voters don't have them, it's that remembering to bring them along is just too much thinking for the proud products of America's teachers' unions.

Posted by: Kool sans the Gang at September 11, 2013 11:23 AM (473jB)

224 I'm having trouble thinking of anything positive the CIA has achieved. As a result I think they serve no purpose. But I'm open to correction on that.

And yes, this type of thing is wide open for abuse and cover up.

Posted by: bob at September 12, 2013 02:48 AM (U+yE5)

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