January 09, 2013
— Ace Own it. Say what you mean.
"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
Same guy who railed against signing statements for subtly proposing to change the law but without the constitutional process for changing the law. Mr. Platinum Coins, Mr. Fast & Furious, Mr. Executive Action on Guns.
See Drudge for a headline that gets to the point.
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Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living..... at January 09, 2013 08:55 AM (52S34)
Posted by: mare at January 09, 2013 08:55 AM (A98Xu)
The irony...
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 08:56 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 08:56 AM (XkWWK)
Meh,
They're just floating it so that when he backs down he's being "reasonable."
I wish we'd learn these manipulation tactics.
Posted by: tsrblke at January 09, 2013 08:56 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 09, 2013 08:56 AM (UvkYb)
Ooohh, hey, thanks! We can probably get an executive order on those too!
Posted by: Slow "Joe" Biden at January 09, 2013 08:57 AM (YEelc)
Bring it on and LiB.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 09, 2013 08:57 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 08:58 AM (UOM48)
"As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking..."
This is retarded thinking. Seriously, mentally retarded thinking.
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Unlimited government anyone?
Posted by: King Kamehataxya at January 09, 2013 08:58 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 08:58 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: cu'chulainn at January 09, 2013 08:59 AM (Vk2CC)
Posted by: gastorgrab at January 09, 2013 08:59 AM (FX38i)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 09, 2013 08:59 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 09, 2013 09:00 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:00 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at January 09, 2013 09:00 AM (3YN0H)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at January 09, 2013 09:00 AM (PMGbu)
Do it. I think we need a symbol of the Age of Obama. I think we need a hook to tell people just how absurd and dangerous he and his fellow-travelers are.
Well, don't read any comments at the WaPo. You'll abandon all hope for the country. Some seriously stupid Obamabots comment there.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:00 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:00 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: gigg at January 09, 2013 09:00 AM (41VCE)
Posted by: McAdams at January 09, 2013 09:01 AM (Yri9d)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 09, 2013 09:01 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: sTevo at January 09, 2013 09:01 AM (jTr5F)
Posted by: Greg Hall at January 09, 2013 09:01 AM (FmyWU)
Posted by: gastorgrab at January 09, 2013 09:01 AM (FX38i)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 09, 2013 09:01 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: JDTAY at January 09, 2013 09:01 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: Invictus at January 09, 2013 09:02 AM (OQpzc)
Early thread winner?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:02 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: gastorgrab at January 09, 2013 09:02 AM (FX38i)
Republican House member: Gee hhe should not have done that
Republican Senator: We were going to craft "common sense" regulation but now it is not necessary.
Public: Is Honey Boo Boo on tonight?
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 09:02 AM (53z96)
Posted by: mare at January 09, 2013 09:02 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 09, 2013 09:03 AM (q177U)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:03 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:03 AM (GFM2b)
- Adolf Hitler
Posted by: gastorgrab at January 09, 2013 09:03 AM (FX38i)
Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 09:04 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: JDTAY at January 09, 2013 09:04 AM (a0nis)
Posted by: Chairman Mow at January 09, 2013 09:04 AM (RGDtb)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:04 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Buzzion at January 09, 2013 09:04 AM (GULKT)
Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at January 09, 2013 09:04 AM (HeCg1)
You know what we need to get rid of is houses. Do you know how many people die in their homes a year?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 09:04 AM (qo244)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 09, 2013 09:04 AM (q177U)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Obamaboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 09, 2013 09:05 AM (48wze)
Republican House member: Gee hhe should not have done that
Republican Senator: We were going to craft "common sense" regulation but now it is not necessary.
Public: Is Honey Boo Boo on tonight?
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 01:02 PM (53z96)
On Saturday, walking in Chicago, I overheard a woman in her mid to late 20s talking on and on and on about how she could not wait for The Bachelor to start. You would think her life depended on it. And I can guess she blindly voted for Barry because Romney was going to outlaw tampons
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 09, 2013 09:05 AM (1Jaio)
Roberts will uphold the EO because it's a tax, and collecting guns is like collecting revenue.
Posted by: Cashin at January 09, 2013 09:05 AM (TYEu4)
So, we have the President, and Vice President, saying they will bypass Congress, and ignore our plainly stated Constitutional Rights...
Can we call them TREASONOUS yet? or would that be Racist....
Funny.... I was 'asked to no longer participate at Little Green Footyballs because of my 'Jeffersonian Fantasies" (yes, direct quote)....
Maybe I should change my Sock to.... Cassandra?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 09, 2013 09:05 AM (lZBBB)
As a resistance tool, you'll deploy it long before deploying a firearm.
Posted by: @PurpAv at January 09, 2013 09:05 AM (iHs4Z)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 09, 2013 09:05 AM (q177U)
Posted by: Trust Me, I'm SCOAMF at January 09, 2013 09:05 AM (zxitI)
Posted by: JDTAY at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (a0nis)
It's almost as if they WANT to foment a rebellion.
Gee, those bulk ammo/weapon purchases for DHS and the IRS aren't looking so kooky after all.
Posted by: imp at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (r2PLg)
Banning cars would save at least one life. Why don't we ban cars, Joe, you hapless fucking retard?
Oh, and come and get my guns. I'll be waiting to welcome you.
Posted by: Warden at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (0DlnM)
Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (pmDdf)
Thank you, Morons and 'ettes, for providing humor as well as whatever you bring to my blog-life.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 09:06 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 09, 2013 09:07 AM (p/cQy)
As an aside,
I have to deal with this shit in my daily life, people who are convinced "doing something!" is better than "doing nothing!" (or alternatively, time trials, wait and see, stepping stone appraoches.)
It drives me nuts, because often "do something now!" results in a bad outcome, whereas a more measured approach would have avoided that.
And yet, the people are OK because "well we tried to do something, what was your plan?!"
It's maddening.
Take my particular instance. I have a disabled mother in law, brain injury. Despite our best attempts to handle things she still refuses to admit that she really doesn't walk well. As a result, she falls, a lot. We've taken precuations to mitigate problems, but short of strapping her into a wheelchair (which we've actually considered, but it has quite a few downsides.) we can't do much.
Occasionally she'll get a bruise, sometimes on her face (she has a habit of faceplanting on the bathroom counter because she refuses to use her walker in there.) My wife and I take a measured approach of assessing the problem, working to mitigate any damage. Since the treatment for even a broken eye socket is "don't fall on your face." we tend to avoid hospitals without an express goal (i.e. "this needs stiches"). (Also past experience has shown us that 99/100 we'll go in, sit forever, they're run tons of random and unneeeded tests charge us a shitload then send us home saying "try not to fall on it.)
Other family members though are in the "DO SOMETHING!" camp. They run to hospitals and demand in patient rehabilitation, despite the fact we've tried this, she'll look good for a few weeks, but even with extensive followup it really doesn't stick (for a whole vareity of reasons.) Plus everytime she goes into these rehab places, they fuck something up with her meds and she starts having siezures again.
We point this out to the family memebers (the harm is greater than any concieveable benefit) but they just scream louder "but we have to DO SOMETHING." Doing something is, apparently, it's own end.
I see parallels here to the gun control issue. I don't think your average american really wants to take away gun rights, but they get caught up in this notion of "DO SOMETHING!" that plagues our culture. I don't know how to solve it. If anyone does let me know.
Posted by: tsrblke at January 09, 2013 09:07 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Retread at January 09, 2013 09:07 AM (zxitI)
The government ratchet only turns one way people.
Posted by: Voluble at January 09, 2013 09:07 AM (qYvEa)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 09, 2013 09:07 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Heralder at January 09, 2013 09:07 AM (+xmn4)
I didn't think I was going to join the panic buyers but yesterday I did and blew 10 grand... starting to really like that decision, maybe I'll blow another 10 today.
Posted by: Remaining Anonymous at January 09, 2013 09:07 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: yinzer at January 09, 2013 09:08 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Warden at January 09, 2013 09:08 AM (0DlnM)
If SCOAMF issues an executive order re-classifying scary black rifles and semi autos as Class 2 weapons requiring a tax stamp , I cant wait for all the wailing in the press when they get <10% compliance.
Posted by: Chairman Mow at January 09, 2013 09:08 AM (RGDtb)
Posted by: Fritz at January 09, 2013 09:08 AM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 09:08 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: @PurpAv
Do they make portable plasma cutters?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 09, 2013 09:09 AM (djdc7)
Is the president required to declare 'Martial Law' before he can suspend Constitutional Rights?
Man, it's backwards thinking like that that gives conservatives a bad name.
He's going to make us start the fighting FIRST on our own, THEN he'll suspend the constitution.
Posted by: imp at January 09, 2013 09:09 AM (UaxA0)
Thank you, Morons and 'ettes, for providing humor as well as whatever you bring to my blog-life.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at January 09, 2013 01:06 PM (baL2B
I hear ya, sister. I cried the night of the election, and most of the next day. And many of my friends did the same.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:09 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 09:09 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: .87c at January 09, 2013 09:09 AM (gASAb)
Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 09:10 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 09, 2013 09:10 AM (sPDBV)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 09:10 AM (AgRBF)
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:10 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:10 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Invictus at January 09, 2013 09:11 AM (OQpzc)
"Eric Holder was scheduled to be at the meeting that's currently take place at the White House."
Yeah. He will add credibility to these proceedings.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 09, 2013 09:11 AM (ma1sf)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:11 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2013 09:11 AM (pmDdf)
Posted by: marcus at January 09, 2013 09:11 AM (GGCsk)
Or if you have the dough a portable plasma cutter rig?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (qo244)
Posted by: mare at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (ma1sf)
32 I hope with a Constitutional showdown this blows up the entire concept of Executive orders. It's absolute nonsense that a President can bypass Congress and just make up laws out of thin air.
Posted by: McAdams at January 09, 2013 01:01 PM (Yri9d)
Posted by: Woody Allen (He actually said this) at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (cv5Iw)
Why would anyone object to the President banning certain guns?
Even our own side is filled with people (spokesmen) who claim that the Second Amendment is all about hunting and target shooting. When the matter is discussed, the left is calm while the right is represented by raving lunatics.
The left is making the case in the eyes of the mob. They are painting pictures that a mob can understand, while the right fumbles around trying to talk about facts.
Hide your guns. We're going to lose this fight.
Posted by: jwest at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: Beagle at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head
How does 'everything you own' sound?
Posted by: The IRS [/i] [/b] at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (djdc7)
Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at January 09, 2013 09:12 AM (LM9t5)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 09:13 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 09:13 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Sarah at January 09, 2013 09:13 AM (LTrJX)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:13 AM (r2PLg)
Of course not.
He currently is writing anti-gun screeds. The hypocrisy is deafening.
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 09:13 AM (53z96)
Posted by: cu'chulainn at January 09, 2013 09:13 AM (Vk2CC)
Thank Bob I live in Tejas.
Posted by: eleven at January 09, 2013 09:14 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: SmileyNH at January 09, 2013 09:14 AM (hlZx/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 09:14 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: eureka! at January 09, 2013 09:14 AM (HPRku)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:14 AM (UOM48)
I think Perry has also stated something about Texas not complying with any gun grabbing Federal laws.
Obama: "I envision a domestic force that is as well-funded and well-equipped as the US Army. . . . "
Posted by: imp at January 09, 2013 09:14 AM (UaxA0)
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Kewl... !!!!
Looking forward to the presidents "Mandatory Homeschooling Initiative."
Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 09:15 AM (nELVU)
Wouldn't it be nice to at least know whether the Bushmaster was even used at Sandy Hook? I still haven't gotten answer to the question of whether the gun was in the trunk of the car or not. Why is this information not available. The perp is dead so there can't be any danger of tainting the evidence in his trial. There will be no trial!
Unless it is we who are on trial.
Posted by: LGoPs at January 09, 2013 09:15 AM (4x8W0)
Nobody I care about would be disappointed in me if I end up in jail on a gun charge.
Posted by: The Tickler at January 09, 2013 09:15 AM (Q0ji5)
It cost SC $3.5M in legal bills to fight it.
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 09:15 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Jason at January 09, 2013 09:15 AM (YQ1l7)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 09, 2013 09:16 AM (ma1sf)
Perry: "Have you heard of the Texas Rangers?"
(IIRC, they're still more-or-less military trained, despite now being classified as a "Law Enforcement Agency" instead of a military unit).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 09:16 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:16 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Melodicmetal at January 09, 2013 09:16 AM (QY9FJ)
Posted by: USA at January 09, 2013 01:00 PM (RIg+t)
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Methinks the pipeline is empty.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 09:16 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:16 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 01:15 PM (53z96)
I find it strange that the federal government seems to fold on every lawsuit involving an employment issue when people go after them for the deep pockets alone, but seem to have huge resources when it comes to defending their expansion of power....
Posted by: tsrblke at January 09, 2013 09:16 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: cu'chulainn at January 09, 2013 09:17 AM (Vk2CC)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 09:17 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 09:17 AM (53z96)
Salesman of the Year!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 09, 2013 09:18 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: LGoPs
Last I read:
"Investigators have not said how many shots Lanza fired with the Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle after he entered the school by firing half a dozen rounds through the glass at the school entrance. Sources said that he fired approximately 150 rounds during the shooting spree."
"[NB: TTAG's sources report that the killer fired 76 rounds before his Bushmaster AR experienced a "stovepipe" at which point the killer threw his gun away.]"
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 09, 2013 09:19 AM (djdc7)
Posted by: yinzer at January 09, 2013 09:19 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 09:19 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 09:19 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:20 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 09:20 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Stalin at January 09, 2013 09:20 AM (/YJYi)
simple. they cared more about their guy then we did. yes the country got stupider and chose to willfully ignore how bad his 1st term was (look at the exits) but we are just as culpable as the other side for throwing temper tantrums about who our nominee was.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at January 09, 2013 09:20 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 09:20 AM (CLkAH)
I think I actually want him to issue an EO. Do it.
Oh please mr. president don't throw us into the '100 million people are instant criminals briarpatch'. please.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 09, 2013 09:20 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: jakeman at January 09, 2013 09:20 AM (96M6e)
Posted by: Fritz at January 09, 2013 09:21 AM (/ZZCn)
yessir why I told entropy that troofers ARE evil they are evil because they cannot bear to see reality and expect to be treated as humans and not risen apes.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:21 AM (LRFds)
Crap.
Posted by: eleven at January 09, 2013 09:21 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:21 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: .87c at January 09, 2013 09:22 AM (gASAb)
Posted by: tsrblke at January 09, 2013 01:16 PM (GaqMa)
You mean like this from yesterday?
Our current PC Pentagon in another round of Pigford legalese pays out $2.4M to people who were discharged under the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell law”. They settled w/o going to court at all even though they had a clear win case.
And how about this shit from the Hill
The payouts will be granted to service members dismissed from the military under the now-repealed policy on or after November 2004.
It wasnÂ’t policy you assholes, it was LAW. So the guys who violated the law (and their money grubbing ACLU lawyers) get $2.4M for violating the law. We are DOOMed!
http://is.gd/SmHzdh
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)
This is Slow Joe we're discussing. You know, the guy with no neural pathways between his mouth and brain. Don't get too worked up just yet.
I'm pretty sure that Slow Joe believes that an "executive order" involves the White House catering staff.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 09, 2013 09:22 AM (SY2Kh)
If they truly do something crazy, then you will have it right there.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO DO?
Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you??
How amazing this would be the contrast. Dems are miscalculating in A MAJOR, MAJOR WAY.
This goes to Ace's last post exactly. Liberals living in their own little world.
Views on gun control have taken 180 degree turn since the 1960s and 1970s.
The backlash will be so severe they won't even know what hit them.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 09:22 AM (tVTLU)
Tragic sock-puppet accidents?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 09:22 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 09:23 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 09, 2013 09:23 AM (jvd3N)
Hmmm.... a question... Why are Law Enforcment types NOT bound by the same laws as the Populace?
Are they not Citizens? Are not all supposed to be Equal under the Law?
Why can Cops have a real Assault Rifle in California... when I can no longer buy one?
This... and this alone... prooves that our Government considers itself the Master... because it enforces laws on US, it does not follow ITSELF.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 09, 2013 09:23 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 09:23 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 09:23 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: mare at January 09, 2013 09:23 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: GuyfromNH at January 09, 2013 09:24 AM (V7FRF)
Someone a few days ago mentioned, and I have come to believe, that Sandy Hook is Dear Leader's Reichstag Fire. This is playing out to be exactly that. \
I get the feeling that the dems are of a mindset that this is their "now or never" moment in history to finally put the kabosh on the Constitution.
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 09:24 AM (Z4jYo)
there was a similar case years ago involving a very liberal Washington Post columnist named Carl Rowan. Anti-gun, very pro civil rights, the whole liberal nine yards. A Washington DC resident, where handgun possession was illegal.
It all blew up in his face the night he shot a trespasser with his ILLEGAL handgun.
http://is.gd/iJHnPi
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 09, 2013 09:24 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at January 09, 2013 09:24 AM (7v5Ct)
Posted by: PJ at January 09, 2013 01:22 PM (ZWaLo)
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Subtle . . . like a hammer.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 09:24 AM (nELVU)
That he does.
I don't want to bring it up but the President and Harry keep mandating that I do.
It takes 66 Senators to remove a President from office. That means it takes 34 Senators to keep him. Just 34 of 100.
Only 34 Senators have to put ideology ahead of the Constitution and the law, and we have not only a full blown Constitutional Crisis, but a fully functional dictator.
I'm going to be honest. I'm scared.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 09:24 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 09:25 AM (Z4jYo)
We can partner with my Moats n Gators business. Trust me, I'm not lacking in large gators down here.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:25 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:25 AM (GFM2b)
"....result in saving only one life, they're worth taking."
Executive order repealing Obamacare?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 01:20 PM (ZKzrr)
Doctors kill many more people a year through misdiagnosis, than guns do...
Executive Order to ban DOCTORS!
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 09, 2013 09:25 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 09:26 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 09:26 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Disaster Preppers on the TV at January 09, 2013 09:27 AM (RuUvx)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 01:20 PM (VtjlW)
Valid point, but if there were ever a "Reality in the face thing" you'd think it'd be what I described. This isn't a sudden problem that crept up out of no where (no disrespect to your loss, but it came and happened very quickly).
I can understand how during a sudden change in situation someone could not be brough to the reality of the situation fast enough (Kubler-Ross style I suppose)
But this....
I'm unclear how someone can hold together the congetive dissonence for so long and not be swayed by the presence of bad things happening.
Let's be clear, in my case we did soemthing once (into rehab) bad shit happened, (seizures) with minimal (or any) gain. And they went and did it again just a few weeks ago.
Guess what, bad shit happened (seizures) with no gain.
The gun control thing is more or less the same.
We tried this one, bad shit happened (crime) with little to no gain. Yet here we go all over again, because DO SOMETHING!
Posted by: tsrblke at January 09, 2013 09:27 AM (GaqMa)
"As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking..."
You know what actions could have resulted in saving any of the lives lost to gun violence, Mr. Vice Preezy? If a law-abiding citizen with a gun had been in the vicinity AND SHOT THE BAD GUYS DEAD.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 09:28 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:29 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:29 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 09:29 AM (qo244)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 09:29 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 09, 2013 01:28 PM (p/cQy)
How long are we going to let that idiot post around here? Now he's posting death threats???
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 09, 2013 09:30 AM (da5Wo)
Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."
It never ends well when a government tries to impose morality through legislation.
Posted by: Marmo at January 09, 2013 09:30 AM (QW+AD)
Do you do this to get attention or you trying to bring a load of shit down on ace?
Whichever it is, knock it off.
Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2013 09:30 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:30 AM (r2PLg)
This country is irreconcilabley split. Civility is becoming no longer an option. We are one step away from a civil war.
When we see all the guns being bought, we have to consider that not all the people buying them are on our side. This isn't going to end welll.
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 09:31 AM (Z4jYo)
Mike you are "concerned" not scared.
I am NOT mocking.
Those bastards will reap the whirlwind.
This republic will not go quietly.
Fuck the left.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:31 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Exasperated expat at January 09, 2013 09:31 AM (gkfSV)
You're right, I mixed them up. He was charged and the jury practiced them some OJ nullification.
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 09:31 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:31 AM (UOM48)
Yeah. Heretofore he was a mildly annoying but quasi-interesting ignorant (in the true sense of the word "ignorant."). Now he's posting death threats. The fact that the Feds might take special exception to this one is just icing on the cake.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 09:32 AM (5DR1j)
Only 34 Senators have to put ideology ahead of the Constitution and the law, and we have not only a full blown Constitutional Crisis, but a fully functional dictator.
I'm going to be honest. I'm scared.
Posted by: Mike the Moose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 01:24 PM (0q2P7)
None of us are as scared as we ought to be. If we were scared to the proper degree, we would shut the fuck up and stop posting seditious sounding comments.
Of course, another explanation is that we are just being reckless, and will soon come to regret our wagging tongues.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 09:32 AM (bb5+k)
And then started screaming as soon as I said, um, it has happened, many times, and I'll show you the articles.
PS I honestly think Obama is a mole lobbyist for the gun business. Wish I had bought stock before TFG took office.
Posted by: PJ at January 09, 2013 09:32 AM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 09, 2013 09:32 AM (RuUvx)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 01:25 PM (GFM2b)
+1
It will cost you, though.
Also good, for those on a budget: S&W M&P
Thumbs down on the Glock, IMO.
Posted by: GUNdalf the Grey at January 09, 2013 09:33 AM (v9Cj5)
Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at January 09, 2013 09:33 AM (3YN0H)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 09:34 AM (XkWWK)
Yup no direct threats and definitely no Kilgore trout bombings.
I turned in all my weapons too.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:34 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 01:31 PM (UOM4
Pity, that. Just like how my father's going to be damn unhappy about dropping his brand new Glock down that deep crevasse in Franconia Notch. Phew, the White Mountains have never been witness to that much profanity in all their millenia of existence!
Such a tragic pity that he doesn't have it anymore.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:34 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 01:29 PM (qo244)
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I too became disgusted with the wanton ownership of these weapons of mass destruction. Under great ceremony and prayer, I threw all of mine into the river.
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 09:35 AM (Z4jYo)
Posted by: .87c at January 09, 2013 09:35 AM (gASAb)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2013 09:35 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 09:35 AM (l86i3)
"And then started screaming as soon as I said, um, it has happened, many times, and I'll show you the articles."
That's a timeless tactic of the left - make a demonstrably false proclaimation and then shout down and personally attack anyone who disagrees before he can get a word in edgewise. In a just world, it ought to earn them a mouthful of busted teeth. But we don't live in that world anymore, do we?
Posted by: Jaws at January 09, 2013 09:36 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Libertarianjim (team #letitburn) at January 09, 2013 01:34 PM (luj3F)
Yeah.... no guns here... THIS IS MY BOOM STICK!
Posted by: Romeo13 channeling Ashe at January 09, 2013 09:36 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 09:36 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Bill at January 09, 2013 09:37 AM (xFYVW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 09:37 AM (XkWWK)
Or maybe a pet nail trimmer or dog boots.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 09:37 AM (qo244)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:37 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: votermom at January 09, 2013 09:37 AM (IC7TE)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 09:38 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 09, 2013 09:38 AM (72GQF)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 09:38 AM (0q2P7)
Me too. One year membership is down $10, to $25 and now includes a $25 gift card to Bass Pro Shops. So it's a good time to join if you haven't.
Posted by: slatz at January 09, 2013 09:39 AM (mE0Rl)
They are also setting the environment up for the Dems of the Senate to look like they are "moderating" from what Biden is threatening.
Right now, we're tilting at windmills. We have no idea exactly what they're planning on doing and how.
Working ourselves into a panic is counterproductive. They want to portray 2nd Amendment supporters as "extreme". Don't give them examples to cite.
I take the view: Bring It On. Go ahead. Issue the most restrictive, extreme and unconstitutional EO your little brain trust can envision.
Embrace the hubris, Obama. And the resulting failure.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 09, 2013 09:39 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 09:39 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 09, 2013 09:40 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 09:40 AM (fWAjv)
That turned out fairly accurate, didn't it?
Posted by: .87c at January 09, 2013 01:35 PM (gASAb)
That's what I thought too. Joey floats out the trail balloon to see the reaction. If it's bad they can say, it's just crazy Joe
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 09, 2013 09:40 AM (1Jaio)
I'm screwed going back to '91 champ.
Juan 10077 is not though
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 01:36 PM (LRFds)
Yeah, i'm thinking I have the same problem. When the Stasi starts looking through the internet records for dissidents, they won't have any trouble finding enough comments from me to put me against the wall.
If it comes to that, I probably would welcome it at that stage.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 09:40 AM (bb5+k)
Oops.
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BAN RADISHES!
Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2013 09:40 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 09:40 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: butternut at January 09, 2013 09:40 AM (nbYoV)
Recommendations needed for (relatively) inexpensive rifle and.or revolver. And I say that knowing that prices are skyrocketing due to the run on supply. I'm trying to squeeze some cash out of my disposable income to make a purchase.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:41 AM (4df7R)
You may want to leave the "[banned]" version of the comment as is. Otherwise it makes the next commenter look like an idiot.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 09, 2013 09:41 AM (djdc7)
Me too. One year membership is down $10, to $25 and now includes a $25 gift card to Bass Pro Shops. So it's a good time to join if you haven't.
Cool. Not that I'd be interested in actually buying a gun at Bass Pro. Nope, not me.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:41 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 01:31 PM (UOM4
Bummer.
Fortunately, I didn't inherit anything from my Dad and Uncle, so I saw no need to report that, either.
Makes me wonder, though, how many nonexistent guns are floating around.
Mythical recent conversation:
Wife: "How old is that thing, anyway?"
Me: "Late 1930's, I think. Unregistered .38 special. I have unregistered bullets for it, too."
Wife: "That's good to know".
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 09, 2013 09:41 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:41 AM (r2PLg)
Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president
said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth
taking."
Says Barry-Boo-Boo who voted more than once in favor of "shelving" babies that survived abortions.
Says Barry that pretends that he and his AG know nothing about F&F that has killed 300 persons that we know about.
Says Barry whose administration let 4 Americans be brutally killed in Benghazi after begging for help.
Says Barry that supports an organization which is payed for by the tax payers that kills 1 baby every 94 seconds...
Says Barry whose love affair with Hollywood and their affair with violence knows no end...
and it goes on and on. F**ck this guy, Biden and every one of their ilk. I've gone galt.
Posted by: Cheri at January 09, 2013 09:41 AM (G+Wff)
Don't worry. I'm sure Boehner's preparing a sternly-worded crying jag even as we speak.
Holy cow. I've said before that Obama's not American in any meaningful sense; he doesn't understand (nor wishes to understand) American history, tradition or patriotism. He is from America, but not of it, and floating something like this proves it.
Forget about saying "well, if he tries that, there will be blowback like he's never seen." Then it will be too late. There needs to be blowback NOW. Call your reps. Blast-fax them. E-mail them until their servers crash. These Washington idiots need to know they are one lit match away from a full-blown gasoline fire and the only way to get their attention is to melt their phone lines down NOW.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 09:42 AM (zF6Iw)
Of course, another explanation is that we are just being reckless, and will soon come to regret our wagging tongues.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 01:32 PM (bb5+k)
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So we should just shut up, 'cause, you know.
Sorry, I'm going to yell until they either put a straightjacket on me and throw me in a hole or put my name on Ayers liquidation list. I will not stop speaking out for my Constitution.
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 09:42 AM (Z4jYo)
FWIW,
I think your metaphorical barrels may be pointed in the wrong direction.
If my first prediction about backing off is wrong, I have a second.
I don't think TFG will just randomly start spouting off EOs taking or banning guns. He knows they won't stand up after the NRA gets judges involved.
Rather as I said yesterday, we'll subtly switch this to a "public health issue" and the EOs will focus on "education" and he'll authorize someone (HHS?) to "educate people" on the dangerous of guns. Slowly winning Public opinion until their's enough on his side to change the laws.
Posted by: tsrblke at January 09, 2013 09:42 AM (GaqMa)
So what's her name, the slattern who wrote Prozac Nation
"Slattern" is one of the best words ever. I love that word.
Here, have a nice fat cow for the raptors as a thank you.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:42 AM (4df7R)
God hates a coward. If I didn't speak publicly, I would be tacitly approving, and enabling, tyranny. How many in the SU, Cuba, China, whispered curses at themselves under their breaths for their silence? I don't know. But I wouldn't be able to go home and look my family in the eye if I was quiet and hiding.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 09:42 AM (0q2P7)
lovers of locke need to be the new jews and masons....
I get the feeling we need to be ready to run and/or fight like hell....
hell is what the libs have in mind for us.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:43 AM (LRFds)
I said the basic line that if it got to the point that 'the masses' rose up against (or fought back against) the government, that many/most of the police/military would be 'on our side.'
He said, "No. I wouldn't be." And that stopped me cold and I had to think about what he was saying and why.
Long story made short: Police and military are protectors of order and stability. Unless and until the anti-government forces become a clear majority of the people (by numbers and support) and have a path toward governing for the future (seriously, what is your plan for the day-after-the-revolution?), the police/military will defend their existing chains of command - the 'current' legitimate order.
This needs to be honestly factored into any revolutionary fantasy/preparation. Don't hide from reality folks, it's what gave us Obama pt II and is putting us in this situation.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 09:43 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 01:37 PM (XkWWK)
It is my understanding that the difficult part is the rifling. Unless you can lick that problem I wouldn't bother attempting it.
If you can, Car axles might make decent barrels. In the movie "Carbine Williams" (Jimmy Stewart) that's what he used.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 09:43 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 01:40 PM (VtjlW)
Here...
*offers shoulders to climb on to*
What?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 09, 2013 09:43 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Jolly Roger at January 09, 2013 09:43 AM (nlJmG)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 01:09 PM (UOM4
.
I'm still on the verge of tears every day.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 09, 2013 09:43 AM (3zV6k)
Posted by: Drider at January 09, 2013 09:44 AM (HaJD9)
Posted by: JPS at January 09, 2013 09:44 AM (m4QT5)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:44 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: mare at January 09, 2013 09:44 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Lauren at January 09, 2013 09:44 AM (wsGWu)
Come and get our guns. Please.
BTW: where's the flaming skull?
Posted by: AgentLobos at January 09, 2013 09:44 AM (131Jt)
Posted by: Oopsy at January 09, 2013 09:45 AM (ErUlJ)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:45 AM (GFM2b)
You can get a .38 for about 300 bucks and a 30/30 lever gun for 450 if you look.
The "evil guns" are inflated as hell right now.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:45 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 09:45 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Scourge of Zeta Reticulae at January 09, 2013 09:45 AM (GBXon)
Keep the volume high and your powder dry.
Americans favor the 2nd Amendment by a large majority, last I checked - particularly VOTING Americans. When the time comes, we flood our congressmen with calls and eMails. This is where impeachments begin, if that's what it takes.
Note that it puts Harry into a tight bind. Reid won NV in part because the NRA was behind him. Harry is a gun guy, and has supported some of the nicest ranges in the world.
Manchin got in because of his gun-ads. Sure, he's talking "sensible" laws right now... he has to show obedience. But if sensible means anything other than "nobody can buy a gun that is sold as an Assault Weapon, by name," or something equally inane... he's going to have real issues.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you, boys. At least in this one case, that hand is actually the Constitution - who knew that congress critters would ever have to even read it?
The House won't support anything new; if the Senate won't then even "Executive Power" will be a dead end.
Posted by: RobM1981 at January 09, 2013 09:45 AM (4WC+3)
One of those things none of us ever would have read if Insty hadn't linked to it with a snarky comment, right?
Yeah, the binders stuck out.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 09:46 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 09, 2013 09:46 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:46 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 01:43 PM (bb5+k)
___
Boyfriend tells me some kid in his high school shop class made a really simple gun. That was the late 1970s.
Posted by: kallisto at January 09, 2013 09:46 AM (jm/9g)
It's not a swear word but it should be.
Posted by: eleven at January 09, 2013 09:46 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:46 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 09:46 AM (VtjlW)
Just another day with the Chicago thugocracy.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 09, 2013 09:47 AM (kaalw)
One does not need rifling if you are making a shotgun.
Just for educational pondering....
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:47 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 01:32 PM (bb5+k)
/looks in the mirror...
Some began moderating internet comments a couple of years ago....
As an IT pro... and ret. US Navy guy who used to work in very secure environments... well....
Lets just say... the writing has been on the wall for awhile....
Posted by: Romeo13 channeling Ashe at January 09, 2013 09:47 AM (lZBBB)
Then issue an EO banning abortions. You'll be saving 3500 lives a day.
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2013 09:47 AM (RSqz2)
Yep. With more than a few Okies and Louisanananans. (I could never remember how to stop spelling that word.)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (5DR1j)
He'll still allow you to keep your Super Soakers!
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (1Jaio)
Your story is anecdotal and needs a couple teaspoons of salt.
The first being it is only one data point.
The second being, any person in service whether defense or police would be very, very hard pressed to openly admit to anyone they didn't really, really, really, trust, that they would openly fight the US government.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Jolly Roger at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (nlJmG)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (72GQF)
Went to nra.org, and I don't see the discount. How do I get it? Is there a code I am supposed to enter? Thanks!
Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (CLkAH)
That turned out fairly accurate, didn't it?
Oh, there's little doubt that Obama's views encompass an "assault weapon" ban, universal registration, etc.
With the possible exception of an "assault weapon" ban (and there it's a close split), neither public opinion or a congressional majority agrees though.
If he wants to issue an unprecedentedly overreaching EO, let him expend political capital on it. Let the Dem Senators and House Reps from purple districts in non-coastal states try to defend it. Let the people see the Emperor naked after it gets struck down.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (SY2Kh)
whereas in October you could buy one with the PU scope for 495 comrade....
something's gonna give.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:48 AM (LRFds)
One does not need rifling if you are
Just for educational pondering....
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 01:47 PM (LRFds)
"Zip Guns", I think they used to be called.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 09, 2013 09:49 AM (Qxe/p)
This is the Age of Self, unlike anything since the later Roman Empire, or perhaps that of the nobility under Louis XIV. We all know how that ended in both instances.
Posted by: tubal at January 09, 2013 09:49 AM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:49 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 01:46 PM (GFM2b)
Yeah... Obama is sending 200 APCs to Lebanon, which is controled by Hezbollah.... but wants to disarm the US Citizen.... (and thats after sending a couple of hundred tanks and some F16s to the new Islamic Brotherhood Egyptian Government....)
Posted by: Romeo13 paying attention... at January 09, 2013 09:49 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:50 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 09, 2013 09:50 AM (jvd3N)
"I said the basic line that if it got to the point that 'the masses' rose up against (or fought back against) the government, that many/most of the police/military would be 'on our side.'"
Yeah, this is what I've noticed for awhile - the military and LE aren't as overwhelmingly conservative as the right assumes. IF there were a revolution of any sort, it would be just as bloody and debilitating as 1776 and 1861.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 09, 2013 09:50 AM (ROv35)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 09, 2013 09:50 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: JPS at January 09, 2013 09:51 AM (m4QT5)
Posted by: Barry Obullshit at January 09, 2013 09:51 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by Mary Poppins at January 09, 2013 01:42 PM (zF6Iw)
And I don't even regard that as being solidly determined yet. He "might" be from an Island that had just been made into a state a couple of years earlier, but given Hawaii's nasty habit of issuing birth certificates for decades to everyone around the Pacific rim, their provenance is non too credible.
The Maricopa county Cold Case posse says they have dozens of examples of fraudulent Hawaiian birth certificates issued to non-citizens.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 09:51 AM (bb5+k)
I'd say we get 15-20% of the military outright with about 20% left swayable....
about 20% would desert or fight but not like either side.
officer corps is more democrat than the enlisted....
etc etc
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:51 AM (LRFds)
Oh, the neurotic lawyer chick is Elizabeth Wurtzel, right?
Posted by: PJ at January 09, 2013 09:52 AM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: JPS at January 09, 2013 09:52 AM (m4QT5)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 09, 2013 09:52 AM (RuUvx)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 09, 2013 01:50 PM (9+ccr)
Constitutional eye-candy.
Obama will simply appoint the members in his third term.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 09, 2013 09:52 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 09:52 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2013 09:52 AM (X6akg)
Remington 700s are about $300 and are the base rifle army snipers use (they do tweak them some though)
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/m24.htm
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 09:53 AM (qo244)
Posted by: AP style guide at January 09, 2013 09:53 AM (wsGWu)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 09:53 AM (GFM2b)
Sorry, I'm going to yell until they either put a straightjacket on me and throw me in a hole or put my name on Ayers liquidation list. I will not stop speaking out for my Constitution.
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 01:42 PM (Z4jYo)
Being a dissident takes some bravery. Being a freedom fighter takes some circumspection and guile.
We all must choose how each of us can best deal with this situation.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 09:53 AM (bb5+k)
"I used to. But I was so distraught about the Newtown massacre that I could no longer in good conscience keep guns in my house. So I destroyed them. If it saves one life..."
Think they'll buy it?
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 09, 2013 09:53 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: ChampionCapua at January 09, 2013 09:53 AM (KZi9D)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 09, 2013 01:50 PM (ROv35)
I think it comes down to the oath to defend teh country against all enemies, "Both foreign and domestic."
I expect if you're a member of the military or the police who feel that you've been commanded to do something that you feel is traitorous to your country -- such as opening fire on other Americans who have done nothing except demand their rights be respected -- then you'll side accordingly, and vice versa.
Whatever may happen, it's far from certain how anyone will turn.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:54 AM (4df7R)
This is retarded thinking. Seriously, mentally retarded thinking.
You know what? If we got rid of cars we would save lives too. More than one. Dumb ass." Cars? Hell, if we got rid of socialism and communism, we could save millions.
Posted by: West at January 09, 2013 09:54 AM (1Rgee)
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I'm still on the verge of tears every day.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
Me too. I pray to God every night for his intervention. Like many of you I have kids and it kills me that they will never know the world I grew up in. I pray for a miracle that maybe someday they can.
Posted by: Cheri at January 09, 2013 09:54 AM (G+Wff)
pretty much.....
unless we are as ruthless withour leadership as we want to be with barry's overreach the likely parallel is that Barry is Sulla and the next is Caesar then Augustus....
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 09:54 AM (LRFds)
"I used to. But I was so distraught about the Newtown massacre that I could no longer in good conscience keep guns in my house. So I destroyed them. If it saves one life..."
Think they'll buy it?
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 09, 2013 01:53 PM (8sCoq)
Report them stolen, officially.
Posted by: tubal at January 09, 2013 09:55 AM (BoE3Z)
Disaster prep on the cheap: 200 cans of high fat meat products. Canned corned beef, Spam and tuna in oil. No heat, water nor can openers required. fatty foods=energy. Dried dates are pound for pound the best portable complex hi-carb food.
More? salt, sugar, flour, baking powder and canned evaporated milk in 5 gallon buckets. Rice and beans in 5 gallon resealable buckets. 10-20 pounds of wheat flour will feed a family for a two weeks.
55 gallon food grade poly drum full of potable water. 50 1 gallon water jugs. backpacker's water filter.
Keep it simple.
Posted by: 13times at January 09, 2013 09:55 AM (h6XiD)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 09, 2013 01:53 PM (8sCoq)
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Okay then.
Incineratng without a permit. Book em Danno.
Posted by: EPA at January 09, 2013 09:55 AM (nELVU)
Recommendations needed for (relatively) inexpensive rifle and.or revolver.
Ruger GP100.
.357 Magnum Revolver for about $600 new. S&W will be closer to $900, and a (no longer in production) Colt Python will probably run you closer to $2k.
Posted by: Entropy at January 09, 2013 09:55 AM (TULs6)
So would it be racist to notice that it is a 'spade' who is trumping the constitution?
Not the Ace of Spade of course...
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 09, 2013 09:55 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 01:43 PM (X/+QT)
It needs some community organizing to stop the tyranny .
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 09, 2013 09:55 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (ma1sf)
PS.. My Sister is a screaming ass liberal too...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (9+ccr)
Since businesses are public and known, they are a convenient and easily accessible target. Since they have to have government approval/cooperation to operate, they are easily intimidated into acting as the government's enforcer.
They do it with taxes, they do it with freedom of speech and "civil rights laws".
Business ALWAYS caves because the loss doesn't appear to be enough to be worth the owners livelihood.
This is where they will strike first. Few people paid attention to the details about FnF. After Holder et al got caught, they issued orders specific for the border states to limit sales and retain records that they did not have congressional authority to do but what FFL license holder will argue with the BATF? To do so puts you on a short list of targets for harassment and if you fight it, even if you win, you lose.
My guess it will be ammunition will be required to be signed for and logged and/or made illegal to possess if no ownership of a weapon requiring that ammunition is owned. They can also limit or shut down online sales.
P.S. Hate to be like this but all those who recently bought guns in this panic; it won't help. In fact they now have an up to date list of firearms owners and even if you have other weapons bought earlier, they also know that many people who buy a gun already own more than one.
You may get a letter from the BATF notifying you of any new requirements and telling you to comply. Just ignoring the letter will be enough for them to make you a target and initiate a search of your premises. (violation of the new rules makes you a lawbreaker and gives probably cause for a search warrant)
That's if their bothering with superficialities like the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments by then.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (72GQF)
Posted by: Truman North at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (SLa3x)
Posted by: Ambassador Stevens and Three Other Americans at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (FcR7P)
An entire legion of my finest cousin-pumpers awaits them in the forests of Redneckistan. We're waiting for your glorious Executive Proclimations against the small peoples, oh great and pencil necked Mocha Messiah. And that night, the Mayor wore his Wolf suit, and made mischief.
Posted by: LFMayor at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (zULK3)
So what's her name, the slattern who wrote Prozac Nation, just published this incredibly meandering piece about how she fucked up her life.
Elizabeth Wurtzel.
And this is it. I'm pretty sure in MA you can't just walk into a gun store and buy one (put me some knowledge if I'm wrong), but I'm signing up for the next gun safety course in my area. The sooner I'm armed, the better I'll feel with these bastards in charge.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (zF6Iw)
God hates a coward. If I didn't speak publicly, I would be tacitly approving, and enabling, tyranny. How many in the SU, Cuba, China, whispered curses at themselves under their breaths for their silence? I don't know. But I wouldn't be able to go home and look my family in the eye if I was quiet and hiding.
Posted by: Mike the Moose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 01:42 PM (0q2P7)
Just so you know what your up against. I think it is too late for most of us to hide now, even if we wanted to. The Stasi will dig it out.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tubal at January 09, 2013 01:55 PM (BoE3Z)
and get busted for THAT
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 09, 2013 09:56 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Jolly Roger at January 09, 2013 09:57 AM (nlJmG)
Posted by: Cricket at January 09, 2013 09:57 AM (DrC22)
If .... if... We didn't love freedom enough. And even more - we had no awareness of the real situation... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
Posted by: Alexandr Solzhenitsyn at January 09, 2013 09:57 AM (szUf0)
"As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking..."
You mean like answering the phone?
Posted by: Ambassador Stevens and Three Other Americans at January 09, 2013 01:56 PM (FcR7P)
BURN. Excellent, knife-wielding BURN.
Tweet that stat.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 09:57 AM (4df7R)
By Tuesday of next week, I will have my brand new Mossberg 500 in my hands.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 09, 2013 01:55 PM (da5Wo
Hope you don't lose it on Wednesday. *wink*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 09:58 AM (UOM48)
The 700 out of the box is one of the best shooting rifles you can afford. Unless you know you can reliably hit beyond 500 yards, it's good enough. And comes in models that will shoot, .223, .308, and .30-06 and many other less popular (Though still very effective) flavors of ammunition.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 09:58 AM (0q2P7)
>>You guys are banning someone?..I hope it is not me.
Twas someone else...why, what did you do??
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2013 09:58 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 09:58 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 09, 2013 01:56 PM (jvd3N)
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Goddamned homophobes....
Posted by: TEH LEFT at January 09, 2013 09:58 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 01:43 PM (X/+QT)
Exhibit 1: During Katrina, the National Guard and Police were confiscating guns...
ie... the time when you would need it MOST for defense... a time of Chaos when the Government could not protect you... they Followed a CLEARLY Unconstitutional Order.
The Military Chain of Command has been on a PC Jihad for over a Generation now (started when I was in)... and ANY Officer who would stand up for their opinions aginas the Chain of Command has already been weeded out (only exception is the Marines, but they are also on their way... IMO).
I really have no confidence in the idea that the US Military would not follow orders, and put down an insurection.... especialy when their major training was changed from Big Battle to Anti Insurgency...
Posted by: Romeo13 paying attention... at January 09, 2013 09:58 AM (lZBBB)
The one you pick up off the battlefield.
Posted by: Alexandr Solzhenitsyn at January 09, 2013 09:59 AM (szUf0)
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 09, 2013 09:59 AM (IrbU4)
On the dog boots thing I knew it wasn't really an answer to the problem. But If I had to prep, those cheap ass rafts may serve a function. I already have an aluminum boat at the house and the cheap ones would fit better in the SUV than a Zodiac. So there is no perfect plan but no plan will kill you for sure.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 09:59 AM (qo244)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 09, 2013 09:59 AM (72GQF)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 01:48 PM (0q2P7)
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Zip guns were popular when I was growing up. Nifty shotguns can be made from two pieces of pipe and a nail (used against the Japanese during WWII).
Look 'em up. They're easy to make.
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 09:59 AM (Z4jYo)
Posted by: thunderb at January 09, 2013 10:00 AM (Dnbau)
lovers of locke need to be the new jews and masons....
I get the feeling we need to be ready to run and/or fight like hell....
hell is what the libs have in mind for us.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 01:43 PM (LRFds)
This is what I see as well. They will be coming for the dissidents first, and the easy ones to find are the ones who leave comments on the web. US.
Of course they will try to pick off the leaders and try to make examples of people here and there. They might even use agent provocateurs such as this "Alex" person possibly was. They can tar all the other commenters with his commentary, as troublemakers who need attention.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 10:00 AM (bb5+k)
I'm pretty sure he's thinking of the Remington 742(?), a cheaper model.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 09, 2013 10:00 AM (SY2Kh)
Ah, but they have become too excited, now. They are moving far too quickly to avoid the backlash that can derail all their plans.
Pray always, stay close to folks you can trust, and hunker down, this is gonna be bad.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 09, 2013 10:00 AM (xw1VU)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 10:00 AM (GFM2b)
awareness of the real situation... We purely and simply deserved
everything that happened afterward."
Posted by: Alexandr Solzhenitsyn at January 09, 2013 01:57 PM (szUf0)
'
Bingo
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 09, 2013 10:00 AM (3zV6k)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 09, 2013 10:01 AM (sPDBV)
A new Model 94 has a MSRP of $1200. I bought my Buffalo Bill model back in the 60s for around $100 if I recall correctly.
The marlin 30-30 is about $600 so it is a better buy.
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 10:01 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 09, 2013 01:50 PM (ROv35)
LEO's are union, at least where I live, a closed society that group thinks. My apologies to any good coppers reading this. But some folks still see them all as sacred - selfless public servants. Some are, but they also are all trained to follow orders, and leave philosophy to the higher-ups.
Posted by: tubal at January 09, 2013 10:01 AM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: t-bird at January 09, 2013 10:01 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 09, 2013 10:01 AM (Ezq3m)
This needs to be honestly factored into any revolutionary fantasy/preparation. Don't hide from reality folks, it's what gave us Obama pt II and is putting us in this situation.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 01:43 PM (X/+QT)
Said this myself. A lot of people didn't like the notion that the Military and the Police would obey the Central government, even if it became dictatorial. What happened in Germany is very likely what will happen here too.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 10:01 AM (bb5+k)
Oops. Commented on wrong comment. Solly. But my comment is true.
*now going to fridge for energy drink*
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 10:02 AM (Z4jYo)
My Brother-in-law owns at least 400 guns. He's a hunter and collector.... He's also a screaming ass liberal obama lover.....
I've brought this up several times in this forum. I've lived in many states both in rural and city locations. I know of many liberals/Democrats that are gun owners for hunting, collecting, protection, etc. How is this possibly going to fly without them? Would they love their boy so much that they would give their guns up? I don't think so.
Posted by: Cheri at January 09, 2013 10:02 AM (G+Wff)
396 One small group of patriots in the Air Force could make our problems in DC go away. The cancer has to be cut out to save the patient.
I'm talking to you guys at Whiteman.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 09, 2013 02:01 PM (sPDBV)
Be very very careful saying shit like that. We've already had one banning in this post.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 09, 2013 10:02 AM (da5Wo)
http://wh.gov/PQFc
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 09, 2013 10:02 AM (6WVi+)
I will not register them with the Federal gov't. I will not pay a "tax" on my AR..
Posted by: Molon Labe at January 09, 2013 10:02 AM (vYB+W)
Posted by: Drider at January 09, 2013 10:03 AM (HaJD9)
'...shall not be infringed.'
We must all decide now whether we comply, or resist.
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 09, 2013 10:03 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 10:03 AM (53z96)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 10:03 AM (VtjlW)
Buy the right size PVC and shoot gasoline soaked/filled tennis balls and you actually do have decent weapon
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 10:03 AM (qo244)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 09, 2013 10:03 AM (72GQF)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 09, 2013 10:04 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Jolly Roger at January 09, 2013 10:05 AM (nlJmG)
As an IT pro... and ret. US Navy guy who used to work in very secure environments... well....
Lets just say... the writing has been on the wall for awhile....
Posted by: Romeo13 channeling Ashe at January 09, 2013 01:47 PM (lZBBB)
No doubt, but I suspect they'll get the loudest and most effective mouths first.
Give others some warning perhaps.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 10:06 AM (bb5+k)
Most LE types I know would be perfectly happy if they were the only ones with the guns.
Posted by: navybrat at January 09, 2013 10:06 AM (BzGtc)
Posted by: Drider at January 09, 2013 10:06 AM (HaJD9)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 10:07 AM (VtjlW)
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Millions of Planned Parenthood aborted babies have no comment.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 09, 2013 10:07 AM (ATdet)
Smith makes the best revolvers IMHO. Smaller than .38spcl is a toy. Larger than .357 mag is a big game hunter not a self defense weapon.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 10:07 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 10:07 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: ejo at January 09, 2013 10:08 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: thunderb at January 09, 2013 10:08 AM (Dnbau)
"I don't know where you are getting a new model 700 for less than $500
I'm pretty sure he's thinking of the Remington 742(?), a cheaper model."
"The value leaders in the category of budget precision rifles are (IMO) Savage and Stevens. Even their low-end stuff (,$300) is good to go.
Posted by: Jaws at January 09, 2013 10:08 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 09, 2013 02:03 PM (8sCoq)
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RESIST WE MUCH!!
Posted by: Soona at January 09, 2013 10:08 AM (Z4jYo)
Posted by: WVinMN at January 09, 2013 10:08 AM (4Pleu)
anyone know who the city/police gun buyback programs work? Do they take your personal info and log in what gun you turned in?
I'm using that as my reasoning as no longer possessing any of my guns instead of the ' I accidently dropped them off my boat' excuse.
Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 10:08 AM (m2CN7)
I'm just trying to be honest, or conservative, as it were. For those that say most will take their oaths seriously...it's all how you define that.
Or put another way, say 10 people with arms rise up against the US Federal government, will 60% of the Military/LE say, "Yup. Guess the revolution is here after all! The Gov't really is illegitimate and it's time to take up arms, join those brave 10... (checks tv) 7... (checks tv) 3... (checks tv) that last guy hiding in the woods and overthrow the gov't."
It will take a seismic event - a revolutionary-level event - to get people to actively join a fight of that life-changing magnitude. Living a guerilla lifestyle. Regardless of oaths they've said or even oaths they take seriously.
Ask yourself, Mil/LE folks out there, how big (safety in numbers) will the revolution have to be before you actively join with the (winning) side?
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 10:09 AM (X/+QT)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 09, 2013 02:04 PM (zpqa2)
It will hit the fan on a state level, no doubt. The splits are already in place. Can you imagine some Washington dipshit going from ranch door to ranch door out in the Odessa Texas area "demanding" guns? No it'll be in the urban areas, where the oppressive government and their enforcers are in place. After that, well, some other crisis du jour will be found to gin up the oppression machine.
Posted by: tubal at January 09, 2013 10:09 AM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: Regular American at January 09, 2013 10:09 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 10:09 AM (r2PLg)
352 ... tuna in oil. No ... can openers required.
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Not certain where you're buying your tuna.
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 09, 2013 10:09 AM (NmR1a)
That's where to put the pressure - the rank'n'file Dems, especially red state Dems
Posted by: Pentangle at January 09, 2013 10:09 AM (OGuJU)
Posted by: flmom at January 09, 2013 10:09 AM (nSjrf)
_____________________________
Oh gawd--I know who you are talking about--but can't remember her name either.
Blonde right? Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 01:44 PM
Elizabeth Wuertzel. Exhibit #1 on how you don't need talent to get published, just good connections to the big shots.
Best line from a critic after she wrote another dreadful Holden Caulfield with Tits hack job;
"Wake up dead Lizzie, then you'll have something interesting to write about"
Posted by: kbdabear at January 09, 2013 10:09 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: dananjcon at January 09, 2013 01:50 PM (jvd3N)
Economic collapse, food riots in the cities, Martial Law declared, Food production confiscated, military deployed to protect confiscators... get the picture?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 10:10 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: WVinMN at January 09, 2013 10:10 AM (4Pleu)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 09, 2013 10:10 AM (72GQF)
Posted by: thunderb at January 09, 2013 10:10 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 02:06 PM (bb5+k)
One way the British sent around Top Secret Information during WW2 was to send it through the regular mail...
They knew that Spys could not open EVERY piece of mail.... so it was pretty safe...
The 'key' to the net... is Key words... its easy to sift though lots and lots of Pages, comments, and email, looking for specific words... which then flag it... and if a pattern emerges will bring it to the attention of a human...
So.... be careful of WORD USAGE... there are terms that are being scan'd for....
Posted by: Romeo13 paying attention... at January 09, 2013 10:10 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 09, 2013 10:11 AM (3zV6k)
I was really referring to the 700 series since they are all decent guns based on the same design. the 770 is the one I used for price. I apologize for not being clear.
http://tinyurl.com/a5lf7k5
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 10:11 AM (qo244)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 09, 2013 10:11 AM (57Eyd)
Posted by: Naqamel at January 09, 2013 10:12 AM (UMwMT)
Posted by: Regular American at January 09, 2013 02:09 PM (B5y+v)
The Militia, as defined in LAW by the Founders, was every Able Bodied Male Citizen.
Posted by: Romeo13 paying attention... at January 09, 2013 10:12 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: beach at January 09, 2013 10:13 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: thunderb at January 09, 2013 02:10 PM (Dnbau)
And taxes can only be levied by the House. That didn't stop the SCOTUS from calling Obamacare's indiv mandate a tax instead of a penalty, even though it was shoveled in there by the Senate.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 09, 2013 10:13 AM (4df7R)
There are plently of pro-government control and/or union thug type cops, but overall I'd say they skew conservative. But either way, cops care about self-preservation. They day they're given a list and told to round up the guns will be the most dangerous day of their careers.
Posted by: yinzer at January 09, 2013 10:13 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 10:13 AM (GFM2b)
Remind him of his OATH. And also remind him that "just following orders" got them lined up against the wall at Nurhemburg.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 01:53 PM (GFM2b)
That's only because the USA came along and kicked their army's ass. Who's going to do that for US if our guys turn bad?
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 10:14 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 02:13 PM (4df7R)
And only Congress can declare war.... yet we used our military to help overthrow Libya with NO Congressional approval at all...
And LOST A PLANE doing it... which never made the news....
Posted by: Romeo13 paying attention... at January 09, 2013 10:15 AM (lZBBB)
I was really referring to the 700 series
Used to have a model 700 in '.06 but she was lost in the river during a boating trip. gosh darnit.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 09, 2013 10:15 AM (ma1sf)
Posted by: thunderb at January 09, 2013 10:16 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Codec717 at January 09, 2013 10:17 AM (oMBj/)
Posted by: WVinMN at January 09, 2013 10:17 AM (4Pleu)
Posted by: Motorhead at January 09, 2013 10:18 AM (iy/lQ)
[Sorry, I just couldn't help thinking that someone brand new to AoS would be surprised at the number of boaters among the commenters.]
Posted by: Pentangle at January 09, 2013 10:18 AM (OGuJU)
I called my local and state Democratic party offices. Told them up front that I'm a registered Repub but that I sometimes vote split ticket at the state and local level. I also told them that if they didn't stop this gun crap in its tracks, that 2014 would be a blood bath like they'd never seen.
Did they break out in hysterical laughter before or after you finished talking?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 10:18 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: mare at January 09, 2013 10:19 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 10:19 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: MTF at January 09, 2013 10:19 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: Lee__ at January 09, 2013 10:21 AM (x1qQD)
Posted by: Drider at January 09, 2013 10:21 AM (HaJD9)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 10:22 AM (VtjlW)
Holy hell I looked it up to get a picture and now I can't take it in the woods anymore.
http://tinyurl.com/bfmtgqs
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 10:22 AM (qo244)
Posted by: rplat at January 09, 2013 10:22 AM (U/Ao5)
The Militia, as defined in LAW by the Founders, was every Able Bodied Male Citizen.
Posted by: Romeo13 paying attention... at January 09, 2013 02:12 PM (lZBBB)
Damn. Ok, I'll make sammiches.
Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2013 10:23 AM (X6akg)
Since I'm in a red state, they actually sounded kind of down today. Conservatives aren't the only ones getting screwed. In off year elections, it used to be de regueur for the president to help the party peons get elected/re-elected.
Posted by: Pentangle at January 09, 2013 10:24 AM (OGuJU)
Prezinint Obumbles is going to circumvent the legislative branch of our elected government to do what he wants?
Uh...how does this differ from the last four years of his reign?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at January 09, 2013 10:24 AM (L7hol)
He. Doesn't. Care.
This isn't about making people safer. It never was. It's all about laying the groundwork for his junta. The only real question is, how much support does he really have, and how many people will turn on him when they finally realize who and what Barack Obama really is?
The election scared the hell out of me, but I still have some faith. I cannot, will not, believe that the US Military will follow him if he continues on this path.
As someone posted a while back on this board, what the Praetorian Guard giveth, the Praetorian Guard taketh away.
From your keyobard to God's ears, poster.
Thank you all for proving that not everyone in the US is a short-sighted reprobate.
Posted by: acethepug at January 09, 2013 10:27 AM (OQhDd)
Posted by: Drider at January 09, 2013 10:27 AM (HaJD9)
Posted by: thunderb at January 09, 2013 10:28 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: ette- at January 09, 2013 10:29 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 01:43 PM (X/+QT)
In living my life, I try to stay in the day and deal with the problems in front of me--as Christ enjoined me to do. I don't entertain war movie, action hero fantasies or pretend I'm anything other than a middle-aged commercial artist with two adult children. My hair and beard are gray. I'm a combat airborne infantry veteran, a former weapons squad leader, but that was almost 30 years ago. I can no longer run like the wind for miles or hump a ruck all day or see a target in detail at 300 meters. That said, I can still hit the black offhand and standing at 100 meters with my SKS and achieve fist-sized groups center-mass at 5-7 yards with a pistol. I boxed as an amateur when I was young and studied martial arts for years (kempo and aiki-jujutsu). I'm not special. There are millions of other (older) veterans with similar backgrounds.
If the federal government unlawfully attempts to confiscate my firearms and violate my 2nd Amendment rights, I will make them work for it. Not much of a plan, I know, but I'm not a survivalist/prepper type who stays up late at night trying to prepare for every contingency--which often sounds like wish-casting and fantasy since real life typically plays out at complete odds with whatever plans we make to deal with it. So no, I don't give much for my chances if things get ugly, but it isn't about me. It's about the survival of the Republic. It's about freedom.
Fuck Leviathan.
Posted by: troyriser at January 09, 2013 10:29 AM (vtiE6)
whether he is successful or not remains to be seen.
Posted by: ette- at January 09, 2013 10:30 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Alexandr Solzhenitsyn at January 09, 2013 10:30 AM (szUf0)
Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 10:31 AM (/b8+5)
If I'm first on the list there will be talking later on not so much.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 10:31 AM (qo244)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
Me too. I pray to God every night for his intervention. Like many of you I have kids and it kills me that they will never know the world I grew up in. I pray for a miracle that maybe someday they can.
Posted by: Cheri at January 09, 2013 01:54 PM (G+Wff)
I had tears in my eyes on election night but I will be damned if I am going to give up. Just recharging with other things and distractions. I can assure you by the next election I will be a political junkie once again. Will never, ever give up. I pray daily for protection from the wrong turn this nation has taken, for protection against these policies, for protection of our great military, and for the nation to remember God again.
I also believe that there are not 1/2 of the American public who are as liberal as their votes and are that different from us. 1/4 of those people were ignorant, ill-informed due to the complicit media hiding the truth from them, and vote for what is "cool." Many of that group are now freaking out as their paychecks are less due to the Obama increase in taxes. Let him fly his freak-flag. Let's get this over with.
In addition to his headline, Drudge also has up a link today by a shrink who works for FOX News. He thinks the rampant narcissistic behavior in youth today is due to the social media addiction. I think he is correct. It is not the guns, it is the people addicted to attention (and the mentally ill who are not getting treatment or institutionalized). God help us, as our government has failed.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at January 09, 2013 10:31 AM (baL2B)
The sammich-maker is the most important part of any endeavor, especially insurrection.
Last weekend 8 men, 5 women, 3 boys, all assembled at my home to take down some trees and make/haul firewood. There were chain saws smokin', lot splitter grinding, yellin' and shoutin', but everybody dropped everything in about 2 seconds flat when the call came, "The sammiches are ready!"
Posted by: Pentangle at January 09, 2013 10:34 AM (OGuJU)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 10:34 AM (l86i3)
Yes an army runs on it's stomach so the sandwich maker is the keystone.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 09, 2013 10:36 AM (qo244)
Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 10:36 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: gigg at January 09, 2013 10:39 AM (41VCE)
http://tinyurl.com/ahpy96f
Tied to a chair and shot in the back of the head.
Вечная память.
Я сказал вам это.
Posted by: Alexandr Solzhenitsyn at January 09, 2013 10:39 AM (szUf0)
Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 10:40 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at January 09, 2013 10:40 AM (HEa5q)
Crazy gun review channel on youtube part parody, all safety free idiocy but funny.
http://youtu.be/SJ8Ndkg8urw
Thoughts and prayers for Kevin's family...
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 10:41 AM (LRFds)
That happened to you, too?! Weird, I've lost every single weapon I used to have the same exact way. Terrible luck, I guess.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at January 09, 2013 10:44 AM (VtNfW)
Posted by: GalosGann at January 09, 2013 10:57 AM (T3KlW)
“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.”
betcha that permit will cost more than the gun too
Posted by: thunderb at January 09, 2013 10:59 AM (Dnbau)
Posted by: Bill at January 09, 2013 11:05 AM (xFYVW)
Eric Holder was scheduled to be at the meeting that's currently take place at the White House.
Gee, why wasn't I invited?
Posted by: Al Roker at January 09, 2013 11:12 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Jim at January 09, 2013 11:16 AM (HVff2)
I'm really looking forward to partying in D.C. with all you morons. At the demonstrations, I mean.
When it's all said and done, massive marches on the mall will be whats needed to end this crap. We can't count on Congress to protect us, and the Press is in favor of tyranny.
Posted by: MTF at January 09, 2013 11:16 AM (B5y+v)
I'll be there....I'll probably leave my rifles at a friends in Virginia though since the DC metro cops are 'special"
Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 11:21 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Scourge of Zeta Reticulae at January 09, 2013 11:26 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: MTF at January 09, 2013 11:33 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: MLCross at January 09, 2013 11:47 AM (taib7)
Then I had a silly little thought: "What if we were all armed. Right now." 5-10k is a large group of people in the right circumstances.
Just sayin'...
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (X/+QT)
We already have "progressives" talking about curtailing conservatives rights merely for being. . . conservatives. Or being killed or raped or beaten up or any number of other heinous and threatening statements that if said about a politician directly would result in investigation at the least.
Ready to sew on your "R" symbol? Or maybe a "C".
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (3E2th)
Posted by: sauropod at January 09, 2013 11:53 AM (G/vW6)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:06 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: sauropod at January 09, 2013 03:53 PM (G/vW6)
I think the government/media is attempting to provoke the more excitable and unstable among us into doing something incredibly stupid so they can further identify right-of-center conservatives as an extremist fringe. Advertising batshit crazy paranoid conspiracy theorist Alex Jones as some kind of spokesman for gun owners on Piers Morgan's program was the tell on that strategy.
The authoritarian-minded professional Left is afraid of us. They want us disarmed. By their lights, we're the only thing standing between them and the socialist Utopia they've dreamed about for so long. More importantly: they hate us. From their perspective, we are the enemy--certainly a greater enemy to them than the Muslim Brotherhood.
Posted by: troyriser at January 09, 2013 12:11 PM (vtiE6)
Why doesn't Zero resign, that would save a few lives. I don't understand why the Congress doesn't declare his crap unconstitutional and throw anyone in jail who sides with him. They're an equal branch.
Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at January 09, 2013 12:20 PM (TyWQ3)
Shirley, I was mistaken. I am f#ck3d-up-in-the-head raging mad. I am forever David Duke.
Posted by: DavidDuke at January 09, 2013 12:21 PM (PFg5i)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: Baldy at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (opS9C)
Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (TyWQ3)
Well.
You do the math.
Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (Y5I9o)
Power, water, food and band aids.
there will be plenty of guns lying around on the ground.
Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: BUTCH at January 09, 2013 12:37 PM (0APJ3)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 09, 2013 12:38 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2013 04:27 PM (x3YFz)
President Obama's friend and mentor Bill Ayers has already done the math. Ayers had a solution for those 15-25 million (his estimate) of those who refuse to be reeducated.
More realistically, if the federal government imprisons, fines, and/or otherwise ruins, say, 10,000 people prominent in their communities or among their social/professional groups--those whom corporate marketing departments call 'Key Opinion Leaders'--then millions would fall in line. That's simply human psychology at work, and it works. Tall wheat gets the scythe.
Posted by: troyriser at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: Dale at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (HegGA)
Posted by: Crashpanic at January 09, 2013 12:48 PM (ejKAW)
Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: tangonine at January 09, 2013 04:49 PM (x3YFz)
I hear that. The future's a fog, even the near future. Too much uncertainty everywhere we look. Magic 8-Ball says COME BACK LATER.
Posted by: troyriser at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (vtiE6)
Trying to disarm a populace en masse would be impossible. Attempting this would be purest folly. Trying to do so by force would be an act of Total War.
If only a couple percent of gun-owners resist such an effort, the military and police forces would be significantly outnumbered.
The vast majority of subjects supporting such a civil war live in geographically-concentrated areas, that are heavily-dependent on a constant inflow of water, food, electricity, and gasoline from far-flung provinces. Those are some awfully long and fragile supply lines. Even a sporadic and largely incompetent guerrilla campaign against infrastructure would quickly make the cities all but unlivable. A breakdown of order within the strongest bastions of Administration support would necessitate the redeployment of military and law enforcement assets to contain the crisis. Which makes control over the hinterlands and logistical support even more tenuous.
You'd have to be a nuts to even contemplate kicking this hornet's nest.
I don't think the Democrats (or Leftists) are overconfident (or desperate) enough to try it. Yet. They'll try to lay groundwork, but I doubt they're willing to go to the mattresses. (When the government has to start making hard choices about which debts to honor, all bets are off.)
And of course, the "what happens after" is a horror story that I don't even want to contemplate.
Posted by: Luke at January 09, 2013 01:42 PM (nqFDk)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 09, 2013 01:48 PM (SzAZ7)
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Posted by: T. at January 09, 2013 02:18 PM (qFVoe)
Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 09, 2013 02:28 PM (X/+QT)
I don't think the Democrats (or Leftists) are overconfident (or desperate) enough to try it. Yet. They'll try to lay groundwork, but I doubt they're willing to go to the mattresses. (When the government has to start making hard choices about which debts to honor, all bets are off.)
And of course, the "what happens after" is a horror story that I don't even want to contemplate.
Posted by: Luke at January 09, 2013 05:42 PM (nqFDk)
Two things to remember: (1) President Obama's only political defeat so far has been his loss to Bobby Rush in a 2000 congressional bid; and (2) Obama, as he once admitted, 'believes his own bullshit'; that is, he is a committed ideologue who genuinely believes he is destined for historical greatness. Further, he has never taken ownership or admitted to making any mistakes whatsoever. A textbook narcissist, he believes any failures of his administration are because somewhere, somehow, somebody failed to understand or follow through on his directions.
Napoleon invaded Russia. So did Hitler. MacArthur very nearly crossed the Yalu River--and would've if Truman hadn't fired him in time. Lee made a frontal assault against a heavily fortified position at Gettysburg that would--by necessity--expose his troops to intense artillery and musket fire from three directions while traversing over a mile of open ground. Custer rode into Little Big Horn even after his scouts had told him there were thousands of Indian warriors waiting for him.
So yes, it would be foolhardy and destructive for the President to drive a significant number of Americans to the point of militant resistance. Your point?
Posted by: troyriser at January 09, 2013 02:29 PM (vtiE6)
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------------------- Two Glocks?
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