August 19, 2013

Birtherism's Sudden Respectability
— DrewM

The MSM has embraced it's inner kook and decided that birtherism is actually kind of cool after all. Amazingly, all it took was for a Republican to emerge who they could pin it on and then suddenly...serious questions need to be asked!

Of course I'm sure it's all a big coincidence that so many MSM outlets are suddenly interested in the question of eligibility to be President. A Washington Post writer went so far as to say Cruz is a Canadian but we shouldn't hold that against him.

Funny how all these outlets just started asking these same questions around the same time, huh? I mean, of all the things going on in politics these days...ObamaCare collapsing, Egypt on fire, and of course amnesty in the offing, why the most important question on no one's mind, other than hyper-partisan reporter's, is, "Hey, is Ted Cruz eligible to be President?"

Now because like me you're a wingnut you're thinking, "This seems like a pretty clear case of the media going after a conservative in a way they never would Barack Obama". Silly wingnut! You only think that because you're an idiot.

Immediately, parallels were drawn to President ObamaÂ’s 2011 release of his own birth certificate, which also was meant to end lingering questions about his eligibility to be president.

And for the few in the birther community, they see hypocrisy. Why are the media not denouncing those who question Cruz’s eligibility in the same way they have denounced the so-called “birthers” who continue to question Obama’s?

The reason? Because about the only thing these two situations have in common is that they involve a birth certificate and a presidential candidate.

[Lots of liberal nonsense cutout to save time and space]

ItÂ’s just not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Except it is and apples-to-apples comparison. There were plenty of people (some of whom will no doubt show up in the comments) who insisted that Obama was not a "natural born citizen" because only one of his parents was an American citizen, which is the case being made against Cruz.

After spending years trying to tar the whole GOP with this birther nonsense, the MSM is now going to use it to attack Cruz and not so subtlety imply to voters that while the media is only asking questions, those conservatives are kind of crazy, right?

What's next media? A series of stories explaining how inappropriate and wrong it would be for someone with no executive experience and only part way through their first Senate term to run for President?

Oh btw, Ted Cruz is absolutely eligible to be President.

Posted by: DrewM at 10:55 AM | Comments (280)
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1 Ted is the man

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 19, 2013 10:56 AM (R8hU8)

2 CRUZ 2016

Posted by: 2 x 4 at August 19, 2013 10:57 AM (LH0Bt)

3 Binders of Poutine

Posted by: garrett at August 19, 2013 10:57 AM (LH0Bt)

4 Time to accuse every Dem under the sun of being a racist.

And ask every "media" reporter why they hate Hispanics.

Alinsky the HELL out of the fuckers.  They started this -- let's end it for them.

Posted by: acethepug at August 19, 2013 10:58 AM (4kvfA)

5 Bourne again.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 19, 2013 10:58 AM (bYRF2)

6 Cruz birtherism... just like with Obama, except Cruz's mom was not a slut.

Posted by: wooga at August 19, 2013 10:58 AM (A5KLl)

7 At the risk of causing irony-shard deaths in the libtard community... READ THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT. It's the law. Idiots.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 19, 2013 10:59 AM (659DL)

8 The reason so many news sources are hitting this?  The  real    talking points memo came out.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 19, 2013 10:59 AM (pT3XC)

9 Are you saying a forged BC is as good as a Canadian one? WTF?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 10:59 AM (wR+pz)

10 It's not like anyone would have standing to challenge anyway, though, right? That's the big takeaway from the Barky kerfuffle.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 19, 2013 11:00 AM (uYaYO)

11 "Birthers" is such a heterocentric word.

Posted by: steevy at August 19, 2013 11:00 AM (9XBK2)

12 Yeah, but he drank that Canadian water so who knows what it did to his mind!

Posted by: MSM Birthers at August 19, 2013 11:00 AM (RD7QR)

13 Free speech is to rodeo clowns as Cruz's birth certificate is to Obama's birth certificate.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 19, 2013 11:01 AM (XUKZU)

14

Start with  the premise that the so-called mainstream media is completely biased for  the Democrat Party.

 

Now, based on that premise, why in the world would they NOT go all birther at this time? 

 

The problem with  the birther stuff was simply that nobody had any evidence that Obama was not eligible, just that you could ask the questions.  So that's what they are doing.  And you can't be so naive as to expect them to do it honestly, can you? 

 

Cruz will be getting it with both barrels, from now until he's either NOT elected, or he's.... well, it probably won't ever end, even if he spends 8 years in the White House. 

Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2013 11:01 AM (TOk1P)

15 "Birthers" is such a heterocentric word.

It's anti-choice.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 11:01 AM (/kI1Q)

16 Re-Birthers!

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:02 AM (ZshNr)

17

It is too early for Cruz, but I do love the guy. It would be great to see him running in about ten years.

We need to pound the media from now to eternity. They are about the sorriest bunch of scoundrels known to man, apart from politivcians.

Posted by: Harry at August 19, 2013 11:02 AM (ib4tw)

18 Cruz's birth certificate is posted at the blaze, well at least it was this morning.  Cruz is handing it out to anyone who wants it. 

Posted by: priests at August 19, 2013 11:02 AM (/b8+5)

19 Seriously, reading State Dept rules, he does not qualify unless his mom lived in US for the previous year, aka, he was conceived in USA, See LAST section. http://tinyurl.com/4c2dh9n

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:02 AM (wR+pz)

20 Clearly Canadian should sponsor his candidacy.

Posted by: garrett at August 19, 2013 11:02 AM (LH0Bt)

21 I want Cruz on the Supreme Court anyway. And Walker as President. But if Cruz were to be raised up as dictator for five years at the front of a coup, well, let's just say, i'd find something else to do during the inevitable protests

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at August 19, 2013 11:03 AM (v8wYt)

22 AND, don't forget that Bush stole the election in 2000.  Take that wingnuts!

Posted by: Kooks for Gore at August 19, 2013 11:03 AM (Ry5gt)

23 Ted Cruz is apparently a "white hispanic." MFM delenda est. Because they would do the same to you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:03 AM (qyfb5)

24 shall we let's not forget that for years Obama, we were told, was born in Kenya.

Posted by: Mallfly at August 19, 2013 11:03 AM (bJm7W)

25 If we elect Cruz he'll replace the American eagle with a polar bear.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 19, 2013 11:04 AM (XUKZU)

26 20 Clearly Canadian should sponsor his candidacy.

Posted by: garrett at August 19, 2013 03:02 PM (LH0Bt)

The canadians don't understand why he doesn't claim his citizenship.

Ted Cruz Releases Birth Certificate — and Is Apparently a Canadian Citizen (But…)

http://tinyurl.com/l6omg4b

Posted by: caustic at August 19, 2013 11:04 AM (/b8+5)

27 Barack Hussein Obama is not an american by birth, naturalization, upbringing or acclimation. He is the single greatest threat this country has ever faced since FDR. At least FDR was an american.

Posted by: kreplach at August 19, 2013 11:04 AM (kdfQ/)

28 19 Seriously, reading State Dept rules, he does not qualify unless his mom lived in US for the previous year, aka, he was conceived in USA,

See LAST section.


http://tinyurl.com/4c2dh9n

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:02 PM (wR+pz)


Uh, how exactly do you document conception? Proffer a time-stamped video?

Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 11:04 AM (RD7QR)

29 Didn't it take years for SCOAMF to produce his birth certificate, then he took himself a victory lap?

He didn't produce it when people were "asking questions", but only once he was firmly ensconced in the WH. Do they not see they're hypocrites for not asking those questions of TFG two years before his first term?

Posted by: Clownf*cker at August 19, 2013 11:04 AM (CGjum)

30 At least FDR was an american. Posted by: kreplach at August 19, 2013 03:04 PM (kdfQ/) Barely. New York was the ONLY colony NOT to sign the Deceleration of Independence.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:05 AM (wR+pz)

31 Ted Cruz mixes rum and maple syrup and calls it a Canada Libre.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:06 AM (ZshNr)

32 Re Obama, I always thought the dual citizenship in Indonesia, and Obama pulling in bennies as a "foreign student", were the more likely angles than Kenyan birth. But that chicken may well be dead by now.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at August 19, 2013 11:06 AM (v8wYt)

33 Layers and layers of fuck checking -- as long as the fuck involves a conservative.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 19, 2013 11:06 AM (ccXZP)

34 Okay, so Choom Boy's daddy was a British subject, and maybe his mother didn't meet the residency requirements, and maybe there appeared to be a lot of things wrong with the alleged Hawaiian "birth certificate" that the Choom Gang posted two years after people began questioning President Historic First's© eligibility.

But being an America-hating, race-baiting traitor IS grounds to be excluded from the nation's highest office. At least one out of three of those points would get anyone else some major jail time (at a minimum), too.

Cruz is not eligible either -- the Democrat Press Machine says so. But by their standards the Chicago Jesus should be on trial right now, with a long, long trip to a federal SuperMax in his future.

That is the one thing on which I agree with them. Assuming, that is, that they stop pushing a fucking double standard that lets all their little terrorist pals off the hook. Never happen.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2013 11:06 AM (kaGpp)

35 >>>unless his mom lived in US for the previous year, aka, he was conceived in USA, It does not require the immediate preceding year. Just a total of one year beforehand. Think about it... this would total screw over all those bastards conceived during sabbaticals.

Posted by: wooga at August 19, 2013 11:06 AM (A5KLl)

36 Uh, how exactly do you document conception? Proffer a time-stamped video? Pr0n FTW!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 11:06 AM (uVkIH)

37 Yeah, but he drank that Canadian water so who knows what it did to his mind! Posted by: MSM Birthers at August 19, 2013 03:00 PM (RD7QR) Do the Canadians put fluoride their water?

Posted by: Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper at August 19, 2013 11:07 AM (mETGQ)

38 Can't help but wonder if Cruz might be better as the VP candidate to get some more seasoning--of course, I refused to get off the Rick Perry bus even after he dropped out in 2012.  Unfortunately I think Perry/Cruz is not kosher, something about president and VP being from different states?  Any actual constitution scholars who can clarify, as opposed to the constitutional illiterate that rules from DC nowadays?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 19, 2013 11:07 AM (sQ0LB)

39 And THIS is why there will never be another Republican president in our lifetimes. Why do you expect ANY consistency from the media? Why? They have the attention span of a flea, and the public's attention span is even worse. They will NEVER play fair, and NEVER bother to explain or be held to account. (sorry for the caps, no time to format)

Posted by: imp at August 19, 2013 11:07 AM (L9AnB)

40

It is too early for Cruz, but I do love the guy. It would be great to see him running in about ten years.

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Why?  So he can be well-esconced in the backroom dealings and cocktail party circuit in DC?

 

I, personally, would love to see  a conservative right  out of the gate take on the presidency. 

Posted by: Kooks for Gore at August 19, 2013 11:07 AM (Ry5gt)

41 Uh, how exactly do you document conception? Proffer a time-stamped video? Posted by: joncelli at August 19, 2013 03:04 PM (RD7QR) The assumption is you lived in the USA for a period, you conceived in the USA. Note, one year prior to birth is required.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:07 AM (wR+pz)

42

Except it is and apples-to-apples comparison. There were plenty of people (some of whom will no doubt show up in the comments) who insisted that Obama was not a "natural born citizen" because only one of his parents was an American citizen, which is the case being made against Cruz.

 

 

Not exactly.  The main point is not born of an American father AND not born in the USA.    Most of those making the argument were not basing it only on the fact of having only one American parent.   Some were but they were in the small minority. 

Posted by: polynikes at August 19, 2013 11:08 AM (m2CN7)

43 Cruz was born in Canada to an American citizen mother and a Canadian father which makes him an American citizen.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 11:08 AM (lZvxr)

44 “He’s a Canadian,” attorney Stephen Green, the former head of the Canadian Bar Association’s Citizenship and Immigration Section, told the Dallas Morning News.
http://tinyurl.com/l6omg4b

See, they're trying to claim him for themselves.

Posted by: caustic at August 19, 2013 11:09 AM (/b8+5)

45 42 Except it is and apples-to-apples comparison. There were plenty of people (some of whom will no doubt show up in the comments) who insisted that Obama was not a "natural born citizen" because only one of his parents was an American citizen, which is the case being made against Cruz. Not exactly. The main point is not born of an American father AND not born in the USA. Most of those making the argument were not basing it only on the fact of having only one American parent. Some were but they were in the small minority. Posted by: polynikes at August 19, 2013 03:08 PM (m2CN7) Thank you.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 19, 2013 11:09 AM (Tnlh/)

46 It's worth noting that the media constantly reminded us that questions about Obama's birth certificate weren't driven by plain old hate for Obama, it was RACIST hate for Obama (questioning the Americanism of a black guy, etc. etc.) Who seriously thinks they'll claim the same for Cruz?

Posted by: TenthJustice at August 19, 2013 11:09 AM (qB8lN)

47 It looks like all those environmentalists were right.  The animals are attacking!

(CNN) -- Bears rarely attack humans unless they feel threatened or territorial. But a 12-year-old girl jogging in Michigan is among the latest victims in a spate of bear attacks that have left seven people mauled in five states since Thursday.

Wildlife officials are running tests on a bear they killed to see if it's the same one that mauled Abby Wetherell on Thursday evening. The girl from Cadillac, Michigan, was out on her nightly jog when she was ambushed by a black bear.

"I was thinking, 'This is it, I am a goner,'" Abby told ABC News.

She tried running from the bear but it caught her, dropped her to the ground, and scraped and clawed at her, she said. So she tried petting it, but "that did not work, so then it just got me again."

Then she played dead -- and the bear walked away.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 19, 2013 11:09 AM (XUKZU)

48 Billy Bob, that was more NYC. NYC and Georgia were the loyalist outposts. Well, them and the Canadas and various Caribbean islands. Upstate NY ended up with secession movements, most famously Vermont which sent out its own, separate declaration of independence. (Joining up as a 14th or 15th state, I forget which.)

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at August 19, 2013 11:10 AM (v8wYt)

49 I don't know why English is so hard for some of the morons. Read it. A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the personÂ’s birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the personÂ’s birth. The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:10 AM (wR+pz)

50 After spending years trying to tar the whole GOP with this birther nonsense, the MSM is now going to use it to attack Cruz


If you could see, I have my shocked face on.

Posted by: real joe at August 19, 2013 11:10 AM (1n/oP)

51 Nobody is going to *do* anything about the biggest problems we face until it's too late. So just keep cleaning the ammo shelves and hope it turns out like Y2K - no one needed it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:10 AM (qyfb5)

52 "I mean, of all the things going on in politics these days...ObamaCare collapsing, Egypt on fire, and of course amnesty in the offing"

Actually, the thing which SHOULD be going on in politics these days, but which is not, is a giant scandal over how, to avoid another debt ceiling fight, Obama and Jack Lew have basically hit the snooze alarm on the debt clock just a smidge below the $17T mark. They've been doing that for three months now, more or less.

In reality, we've now exceeded the previously negotiated debt ceiling, and the government should be shutting down, but it's not, because of this jiggerypokery with the figures.

If the Beltway GOP were to push that issue front and center, it's big enough and scary enough that it would shove off the table any talk of, say, passing amnesty this year.

Except that there are a large contingent of the Beltway GOP who really *do* want to pass amnesty this year (McQueeg, Miss Lindsey, et cetera) and who don't want any distractions from another debt fight. Plus, the Hal Rogers types in the trougher wing don't want another debt fight for fear the pork flow might suffer reduction.

So, Obama and Lew engage in this crude bit of prestidigitation over the actual debt figure, and the GOP all collectively agree to believe in it. Wouldn't it be nice to have an actual opposition party again, instead of the current "coalition government"?

Posted by: torquewrench at August 19, 2013 11:10 AM (gqT4g)

53

 Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:02 PM (wR+pz)

 

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That section talks about out-of-wedlock births and doesn't apply to Cruz.

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:11 AM (eytER)

54

Posted by: polynikes at August 19, 2013 03:08 PM (m2CN7)

 

Eh, but most people asserting the Obama Claim was that he wasn't actually born in the US (and possibly renounced citizenship, IIRC, but I may be wrong on that last one.)

Posted by: tsrblke at August 19, 2013 11:11 AM (GaqMa)

55 Barely. New York was the ONLY colony NOT to sign the Deceleration of Independence.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:05 PM (wR+pz)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

NY, or more specifically, NYC always has been and always will be a Tory outpost. 

Posted by: Kooks for Gore at August 19, 2013 11:11 AM (Ry5gt)

56 There are better questions about obamas "eligibility" than whether or not he was born in Hawaii. The biggest being since he was legally adopted supposedly by Sotero did he re-establish his "american" side?Also did he go to college on a foreign student scholarship? And no, I'm no tin-hatter.... Just want to know...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at August 19, 2013 11:11 AM (9+ccr)

57 It's worth noting that the media constantly reminded us that questions about Obama's birth certificate weren't driven by plain old hate for Obama, it was RACIST hate for Obama (questioning the Americanism of a black guy, etc. etc.) Who seriously thinks they'll claim the same for Cruz? Why the left H8 Latinos? Popping popcorn.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 11:12 AM (uVkIH)

58 @49 So, the question is was his mother in the USA for a year before he was born? If not, he is NOT a US Citizen. I don't make the rules, I just report them.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:12 AM (wR+pz)

59 I don't know how many of you remember the birther issue with John McCain during the 2008. The mfm/democrats tried to get him off the ballot because he was born in Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Panama Canal Zone.

Posted by: YIKES! at August 19, 2013 11:12 AM (mETGQ)

60 57 It's worth noting that the media constantly reminded us that questions about Obama's birth certificate weren't driven by plain old hate for Obama, it was RACIST hate for Obama (questioning the Americanism of a black guy, etc. etc.) Who seriously thinks they'll claim the same for Cruz?


Why the left H8 Latinos?

Popping popcorn.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 03:12 PM (uVkIH)

Racist is racist, will be funny hearing rand paul defend cruz saying the dems secretly hate hispanics.  It'll be a hoot.

Posted by: caustic at August 19, 2013 11:13 AM (/b8+5)

61 >>>if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the personÂ’s birth. "A continuous period" =/= "THE continuous period"

Posted by: wooga at August 19, 2013 11:13 AM (A5KLl)

62

The funny thing is our citizenship laws are not dependent on what another country does.  The fact that Canada offers citizenship to anyone born in Canada has no effect on American citizenship - nor should it.  Otherwise you would really be giving a foreign government a say as to who is eligible for office in the United States, and that just will not do.*

 

* Let us say that Germany passes a statute giving anyone with 1/16th German ancestry German citizenship.  Would we permit that to deprive a person of 1/16th German ancestry who was born in the USA to American citizen parents the right to run for president, and if so why on earth would we do so?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Spleen! Now with Oxidizers! at August 19, 2013 11:14 AM (hLRSq)

63 We won Canada from England in the War of 1812.  It's ours.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 19, 2013 11:14 AM (8ZskC)

64 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:02 PM (wR+pz) Why don't you read it first. His mother was not unmarried. Words...how do they work?

Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2013 11:14 AM (6cEN2)

65 @53 It is the only section that addresses birth from a single us citizen mother. In the context of the rule, it applies. How could it not? Read the entire page, it is the only section that addresses his situation. http://tinyurl.com/4c2dh9n

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:15 AM (wR+pz)

66 It would be impossible to be in the US for a continuous period prior to giving birth in a foreign country, no? The minute you cross the border, continuity kaput.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:15 AM (ZshNr)

67 How obtuse can you get?  Birthers, by and large, don't object to Obama because his father was not an American, but rather because they believe he was born in Kenya.  Why they believe this remains a mystery.  But nevertheless, that's what they believe.

In saying Cruz can be President, you are saying the Birthers never had a claim in the first place even if Obama WAS born in Kenya. 

FWIW, I agree with you.  A sane reading of "Natural Born Citizen" would mean someone naturally born a citizen vs. someone born the citizen of another nation and later naturalized (Like Arnold Schwarzenegger).  In that capacity, Cruz is OK as would be Kenyan born Obama (even though he was clearly born in Hawaii).

Posted by: seattle slough at August 19, 2013 11:15 AM (mCz8+)

68 The heck with Birtherism, what about Tentherism?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 19, 2013 11:16 AM (7ObY1)

69
Cruz's birth circumstances are just going to be fodder for jokes during the campaign.

What's going to hurt are his years as a corporate appeals lawyer and his wife's Goldman ties.  Those walk right into the Democrat's "Fat Cat Republican" playbook and he'll get hammered like Romney.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2013 11:16 AM (kdS6q)

70 The assumption is you lived in the USA for a period, you conceived in the USA. Note, one year prior to birth is required. 
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:07 PM (wR+pz)


The requirement is prior, not immediately prior.   There's no requirement in there that that the one year of continuous living occur within X months of the birth.

In other words, the mother must have lived in the US at some point in her life.   This prevent auto-citizenship from propagating through a family which has never lived in the US at all.   Ex:  Mother born overseas to US citizens has out-of-wedlock birth, but has never lived in the US and doesn't even know English. 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:16 AM (v3pYe)

71 How do you say "Teabagger" in Canadian?

Posted by: CNN at August 19, 2013 11:16 AM (UzPAd)

72 Amazon.com Oops! We're very sorry, but we're having trouble doing what you just asked us to do. Please give us another chance--click the Back button on your browser and try your request again. Or start from the beginning on our homepage. Anyone else getting this for Amazon?

Posted by: caustic at August 19, 2013 11:17 AM (/b8+5)

73 Obama was born  in Hawaii so there IS a difference.

Posted by: anon at August 19, 2013 11:17 AM (DEsFp)

74 I care much less about teh Won's birthplace than I do all of his records being sealed and obvious trip through higher education as a foreign student from Paukeestan.  That's the rub.  He lied and played the system of PC and affirmative-action.  Regardless of his birth, had any of that come out, he never would have made it through the primaries.  The Fraud of his SS# and draft registration... all of that ties to the foreign student angle.

Birthers don't deserve the hate they receive because at the heart of the matter is that one side has rules and the other side does not. 

Posted by: Yip at August 19, 2013 11:17 AM (/jHWN)

75

I'm not even going to get involved in this whole business.  It's just too frustrating.   I'm only here to let you all know

 

AMAZON.COM IS DOWN.  GIRD YOUR LOINS

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 19, 2013 11:17 AM (4df7R)

76 You see, right now Dems would already be filling out absentee ballots for Mickey D. Mouse and Felix D. Cat, and we're hurling brickbats at each other over whether we can even run. Like every other day. WRT the debt clock shutdown, THEY WILL NOT OBEY THE LAW. Either we find a way to enforce it or just learn to love collapse and plunder.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:17 AM (qyfb5)

77

@53

It is the only section that addresses birth from a single us citizen mother.

In the context of the rule, it applies. How could it not? Read the entire page, it is the only section that addresses his situation.

http://tinyurl.com/4c2dh9n

 

Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:15 PM (wR+pz)

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Was Cruz's mother unmarried at the time?  No.  The section does not apply.

 

Instead, you go to the very clear language that Drew helpfully posted on his website. 

 

Cruz is quite eligible to be President under the law.

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:17 AM (eytER)

78 Cruz's campaign symbol should be Speedy Gonzales on snowshoes.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 19, 2013 11:17 AM (XUKZU)

79 I don't know why English is so hard for some of the morons. Read it.

The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship.

I found this part funny.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 19, 2013 11:17 AM (SY2Kh)

80

sock be gone

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 11:18 AM (Ry5gt)

81 So far, I like Ted. That could change. Time will tell.

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 11:18 AM (xWW96)

82 "Hypocrisy" doesn't work anymore. It's not sufficient, it's too quotidian. We need another word for the Left's serial, raging, relentless, in-your-face double-standard.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 19, 2013 11:18 AM (+pscO)

83 Hey, I say let them make the case that Cruz is not eligible because one parent is not American.   At the same time they're making the case that their Redeemer is not eligible either.

Not that it will matter . . .

Posted by: Sphynx at August 19, 2013 11:18 AM (OZmbA)

84 I wonder about this sudden spate of high-profile websites going down.   NYT.   Google (though very briefly).  Now Amazon.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 19, 2013 11:18 AM (4df7R)

85 So far, I like Ted. That could change. Time will tell.


You wingnuts are a fickle lot.

Posted by: Marco Rubio, Amnesty Shill at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (8ZskC)

86 I posted about this last week.  There was debate in 2008 if McCain qualified as a natural born citizen due to being born in the Canal Zone and some laws that were passed a couple years later that retroactively granted citizenship, as well as the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795(?) which superseded it.  It has generally been held that anyone born in the US itself is a citizen.  The current legal understanding in this country is that anyone born to a US citizen in a foreign country is also a US citizen by birth and would be eligible to run for President, though no one has really settled this in court definitively vis a vis the "natural born" clause.  There is a great piece in the Michigan Law Review from 2008 that was on this very topic.  It's sort of like the Gore recount in Florida, in that if you torture the statues in exactly the right way you can get a reading that says McCain was not eligible, but no one seriously subscribes to it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (sQ0LB)

87 Cruz doesn't have good Fixers to get him the nod.

Posted by: Bigby's OTOH at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (3ZtZW)

88 Again I ask -- Why not have Cruz ask the SC for a ruling? This natural born citizen crap comes up often enough, and SC would provide a definitive answer. Besides, those bozos ain't got anything better to other than drool on their bibs and find new things to call taxes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (ccXZP)

89

It is the only section that addresses birth from a single us citizen mother.

 

  Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:15 PM (wR+pz) 

 

------------- 

 

From your link:  

 

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

 

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (eytER)

90 Here's the difference between Obama and Cruz. Cruz isn't withholding documents.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (T0NGe)

91 I wonder about this sudden spate of high-profile websites going down. NYT. Google (though very briefly). Now Amazon.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit

 

 

 

I think AttackWatch is still up, though.

Posted by: Roy at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (VndSC)

92 In reality, we've now exceeded the previously negotiated debt ceiling, and the government should be shutting down, but it's not, because of this jiggerypokery with the figures.

Jiggerypokery is bad, but we'll not stand for any hullabaloo.  Don't test us on this President Obama.

Posted by: The GOP at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (J79eW)

93 It was Axelrod who came up with the whole "birther" name and "born in Kenya" nonsense.
And somehow the MSM will also feel the need to track down every bit of personal documentation on Cruz - school records, college transcripts, etc. You know, the stuff Obama was allowed to keep under wraps.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2013 11:19 AM (el1mU)

94 OMG  Amazon!!  WTF??? 

Posted by: Yip at August 19, 2013 11:20 AM (/jHWN)

95 Speaking of Canadians, I would bet an amount I could walk down a street in Vancouver and not only pick a better President out of the crowd, but one that loves and respects this country more.

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 11:20 AM (xWW96)

96 "...because only one of his parents was an American citizen." Um, you do realize that is what the founders meant when they put that in the Constitution. They used that phrase for president, AoSHQ opposed to just "Citizen" for senators and reps. Clearly they meant for there to be a difference. The concept was "put in writing" in Vattel's "The Lawsof Nations" and was in common use before that. If I was on a computer right now I'd go back a few days and link an article that linked a great study on this.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at August 19, 2013 11:20 AM (xhr2b)

97 Do you people understand Obama was born in a US STATE and Cruz was born in CANADA?  There IS a difference.

Posted by: anon at August 19, 2013 11:20 AM (DEsFp)

98 Eh, but most people asserting the Obama Claim was that he wasn't actually born in the US (and possibly renounced citizenship, IIRC, but I may be wrong on that last one.)

Posted by: tsrblke at August 19, 2013 03:11 PM (GaqMa

 

Correct and that is my point.  There is a reason that the requirement for President is logically intrepeted to mean born on US owned territory to an American citizen.   I am the biggest Cruz advocate out their as I was on his boat before it  even   left the shipyard but his birth and the citizenship requirement as I read it is a problem for Cruz.   If Congress wants to clarify and specifically define 'natural born citizen' whereas it is no longer an issue, I'm fine with that and not just for Cruz.   But remember, if they do that then a burka wearing American who has moved to  Saudi Arabia and had a son there and raised there could have  him be eligible for President.    I don't think that is what the Founders intended.  

 

 

On another point,  this  tact by the media is nothing new.   The hypocrisy was already  established with the Congressional investigation of McCain's eligibility. 

 

Posted by: polynikes at August 19, 2013 11:20 AM (m2CN7)

99

Government  shutdown   =  meh.

 

Amazon shutdown =  shit just got real

Posted by: Roy at August 19, 2013 11:21 AM (VndSC)

100 I question the conservative principles of a man genetically predisposed to supporting maple syrup subsidies and declaring the moose an endangered species.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 19, 2013 11:21 AM (SY2Kh)

101 Do not want to talk about 2016 at this time.  Do want to know how a certain political party that is slightly less liberal and a whole heaping lot more stoopid than the demoncrats is going to restrain itself from shitting on the base between now and 2014.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at August 19, 2013 11:21 AM (epxV4)

102 I like Ted.  For all the mouthing of conservative ideas from Marco I never really felt that he would toe the line.  Low and behold, lets legalize everyone.. gah.  I get more of a sense that Ted has a freaking back bone.  Marco groomed himself for politics and is turning out to be quite the show pony.  Looks good on the surface, but can't make it over the hurdles.

Posted by: sweet...ish at August 19, 2013 11:21 AM (bj+Nc)

103 JOhn MCCAin wuz bornIN PANAMa beckuz FAIRness! !11!!!1!!!!!

Posted by: typical lefty moonbat at August 19, 2013 11:21 AM (EZl54)

104 The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship. I found this part funny. Could be an issue down the road with IVF & other nation adoptions.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (uVkIH)

105 Deceleration of Independence. It's certainly been decelerating lately.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (7ObY1)

106 Cruzy, you have some splaining to do.

Posted by: MFM at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (nsOJa)

107

I can still get to the Japanese Amazon, so yay!

 

Of course, I can't read    or   order    anything    from   there, but that's a technicality.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (4df7R)

108 Wonder if Amazon's huge cloud op is down then too.... you know they sell a lot of cloud services to whomever...   ???   I agree with Roy..   shit ... it's getting real here..

Posted by: Yip at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (/jHWN)

109 Speaking of Canadians, I would bet an amount I could walk down a street in Vancouver and not only pick a better President out of the crowd, but one that loves and respects this country more.

***

I could pick out a better president on any bar stool in any bowling alley in the country.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (XUKZU)

110   The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship.  

I found this part funny. 
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 19, 2013 03:17 PM (SY2Kh)


I did a double take at the sentence too, and then realized that it was probably added after the tech for "donor wombs" became possible and matured. 

Can you imagine the abuse if they left that loophole?   "$5k for American woman to bear our child so he can have US citizenship"  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (v3pYe)

111 Blue State Rebel, are you still here?  I have a question about the book you mentioned in the previous thread.

Posted by: jem at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (fM4kr)

112 101I question the conservative principles of a man genetically predisposed to supporting maple syrup subsidies and declaring the moose an endangered species.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 19, 2013 03:21 PM (SY2Kh)

Well, the moose IS an endangered species here in Arkansas.

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 11:22 AM (xWW96)

113

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 03:19 PM (eytER)

 

You continue to interchange naturalized citizen / citizen  and  natural born citizen.  They are not the same thing. 

Posted by: polynikes at August 19, 2013 11:23 AM (m2CN7)

114 Birth is a white construct to disenfranchise minorities.

Posted by: USA at August 19, 2013 11:23 AM (VIaw0)

115 rrpjr -- how about fucking serial liars what lie?

Posted by: acethepug at August 19, 2013 11:23 AM (4kvfA)

116

Posted by: polynikes at August 19, 2013 03:23 PM (m2CN7)

 

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And.....the convo just jumped the shark.

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:23 AM (eytER)

117 shall we let's not forget that for years Obama, we were told, was born in Kenya. Come on, the only credible source that said Obama was born in Kenya was his publisher. http://tinyurl.com/897mzqs (God, I get all schadenfraudey over that story.)

Posted by: AmishDude at August 19, 2013 11:24 AM (T0NGe)

118 I am tinking it is not so impordant to be a native born to be the prezzident.

Posted by: Arnold Schwarzenegger at August 19, 2013 11:24 AM (OZmbA)

119 I could pick out a better president on any bar stool in any bowling alley in the country.

My cats would do a better job.

At the very least, they demand their daily briefings at 0715 sharp.  Even on weekends.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 11:24 AM (/kI1Q)

120 Amazon was working just a short time ago when I was looking at Winehouse CDs.  Did I break it?

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at August 19, 2013 11:24 AM (epxV4)

121 Jose Hoser.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:24 AM (ZshNr)

122 There are better questions about obamas "eligibility" than whether or not he was born in Hawaii. The biggest being since he was legally adopted supposedly by Sotero did he re-establish his "american" side?Also did he go to college on a foreign student scholarship? And no, I'm no tin-hatter.... Just want to know...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at August 19, 2013 03:11 PM (9+ccr)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------------------

 

 

Same thing could be asked about  the passport he used for foreign travel. 

 

So many questions other than the birther issue.

Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2013 11:24 AM (Ry5gt)

123 Do you people understand Obama was born in a US STATE Really? According to "Wet Dreams of My Daddy" he wrote he was born in Kenya. Along with what an aunt said.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2013 11:24 AM (uVkIH)

124 Meh, I'll just read the books that use colour  amazon.co.uk is up.

Posted by: dogfish at August 19, 2013 11:24 AM (nsOJa)

125 @90 OK, stand corrected. We still have a residency requirement of the mother. INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) Which means we need to know where his mom was for the previous five years. Cruz born in 1990.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:25 AM (wR+pz)

126 If Cruz claimed he was a Native-American democrat, there would be no questions.

Posted by: USA at August 19, 2013 11:25 AM (VIaw0)

127 109 I can still get to the Japanese Amazon, so yay!  Of course, I can't read or order anything from there, but that's a technicality. 
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 19, 2013 03:22 PM (4df7R)

Browsing Hello Kitty themed products?   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:25 AM (oY6Yp)

128

*plugs Amazon server power cable  back in*

 

just kidding !

Posted by: Johnny at August 19, 2013 11:25 AM (VndSC)

129

>> AMAZON.COM IS DOWN. GIRD YOUR LOINS

 

 

Ace is going to lose millions of blogdollars.

Posted by: garrett at August 19, 2013 11:25 AM (LH0Bt)

130 8 usc 140 paragraph (d)


d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;


So two questions, was his mother in the US for at least a year (yes) and is his father a "national"?  I have no idea what a national is.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (lZvxr)

131 Sales of Levin's new book must have been running too rich for amazon.

Posted by: dogfish at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (nsOJa)

132

Which means we need to know where his mom was
for the previous five years. Cruz born in 1990.

 

Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:25 PM (wR+pz)

 

Umm...Cruz was born Dec 22, 1970.

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (eytER)

133 How do you say "Teabagger" in Canadian? Tim-Horton's-Coffee-Bagger, eh?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (7ObY1)

134 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (/PCJa)

135 Think of all the t-shirt sales he won't miss out on.

Posted by: garrett at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (LH0Bt)

136 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (/PCJa)

137 I suspect stuxnet

Posted by: dogfish at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (nsOJa)

138 Jose Hoser.

Poutine tacos?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (/kI1Q)

139 Off to get my ass chewed out for something that is someone elses fault. yay.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 19, 2013 11:26 AM (/PCJa)

140 Amazon's down? Fuck I just saved $500 not buying shit I don't need. Anyone what to guess this has to do with the WaPo purchase by the boss?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:27 AM (wR+pz)

141 113 Blue State Rebel, are you still here? I have a question about the book you mentioned in the previous thread. Yep, shoot.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 19, 2013 11:27 AM (7ObY1)

142 Cruz born in 1990.

Posted by: Billy Bob

I'm deep enough, thanks.

Posted by: The Hole [/i] [/b] at August 19, 2013 11:27 AM (hSwFv)

143 Does this mean Cruz will be awarded a Nobel Prize too?

Posted by: The Stupid Hurts at August 19, 2013 11:27 AM (oDCMR)

144 Precocious little Pancho of the Pucks.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:27 AM (ZshNr)

145

Cruz born in 1990.

Hummm. Are 23 year olds eligible now?

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 11:27 AM (xWW96)

146 133 should be 8usc1401

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 11:27 AM (lZvxr)

147
I'm a Berther!

*train fondle*  *caboose slap*

Posted by: Bob Filner at August 19, 2013 11:28 AM (qM18f)

148 Which means we need to know where his mom was for the previous five years. Cruz born in 1990. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:25 PM (wR+pz) Math, people. He wouldn't be eligible to be in the senate at 24 years of age.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:28 AM (qyfb5)

149 Precocious little Pancho of the Pucks.

Beating on the pinata with a hockey stick.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 11:28 AM (/kI1Q)

150 Umm...Cruz was born Dec 22, 1970. Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 03:26 PM (eytER) Misread Drudge copy on line. i thought that sounded a little too young.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:28 AM (wR+pz)

151


>>>Amazon shutdown = shit just got real

 

/thousand yard stare

Posted by: Bigby's OTOH at August 19, 2013 11:29 AM (3ZtZW)

152 Vancouver Libre?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 11:30 AM (/kI1Q)

153 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:25 PM (wR+pz) Are you serious? Cruz was born in 1970, so that bit of law doesn't apply to him. Keep swinging, you've got one more strike to go.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2013 11:30 AM (6cEN2)

154   Which means we need to know where his mom was for the previous five years. Cruz born in 1990. 
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:25 PM (wR+pz)


Err, that'd make him younger than me.   Wiki says 1970.  

Mother needs to have lived in the US for 10 years, with at least 5 in her teenage years.  From wiki: 

"Cruz's mother was born and raised in Wilmington, Delaware,[11] in a family of Irish and Italian descent.[13][19] She was the first person in her family to attend college. She earned an undergraduate degree in mathematics from Rice University in Houston in the 1950s, "

College degree from a US university?   That's at least 4 years.   Chances are good she lived her whole life in the US until she ended up in Alberta for work related to the oil business.   

Cruz has a birth certificate stating US citizenship - I doubt there's any hidden stingers in there.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:30 AM (oY6Yp)

155 I did a double take at the sentence too, and then realized that it was probably added after the tech for "donor wombs" became possible and matured.

Yeah, I thought it might be for something like that.  I just found it funny that they had to spell it out that a birth mother had to be genetically related.

I'm surprised they bothered with that provision- it's to cover a scenario that I should think is very rare.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 19, 2013 11:30 AM (SY2Kh)

156 Amazon down, Ace is up. The horde rules. Most hurt? Glen at Insty.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:30 AM (wR+pz)

157

As for Cruz's mother's whereabouts during the time specified by law, Drew points out:

 

CruzÂ’s mother was born in Delaware and grew up in the US. That covers the 10 years. She graduated from Rice University in Texas, so that would cover the 5 years after age 14 requirement. She didnÂ’t move to Canada until the 60s so she spent more time than that in the US.

 

 

Drew has a supporting link at his website for that fact as well.

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:30 AM (eytER)

158 The Cruz family is renowned for their unique serape design, incorporating a maple leaf and the Bay of Pigs into the image.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:31 AM (ZshNr)

159 Did Microsoft ever announce the reason for their outage?  Outlook, Hotmail and SkyDrive all went down a couple of days ago.

Google just had a huge outage.

Amazon is now down.

What's going on?  Is somebody trying out their shiny new botnet?

Posted by: The GOP at August 19, 2013 11:31 AM (45N4D)

160 >> Cruz born in 1990.
 
Try again sweetcheeks. He was born in 1970.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 19, 2013 11:32 AM (ccXZP)

161 Cruz born in 1990 at an Iron Maiden concert.

Posted by: wooga at August 19, 2013 11:32 AM (A5KLl)

162 Sigh. The stupid. It burns. "Prior" is not the same as "immediately prior." "Total" does not mean "consecutive."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 19, 2013 11:32 AM (659DL)

163 Cruz born in 1990 at an Iron Maiden concert in Upper Peruvia.

Fixed.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 19, 2013 11:32 AM (uYaYO)

164 Billybob, it's any 5 years, not the 5 years immediately prior.  She could have lived in Canada for 20 years before he was born, as long as she spent 5 total in the US, at least 2 of which after she turned 14.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 19, 2013 11:32 AM (sQ0LB)

165 amazon is back

Posted by: dogfish at August 19, 2013 11:33 AM (nsOJa)

166 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 19, 2013 02:31 PM (7ObY1)

Thanks!

In that book, did they mention anything of Victorio Peak at the white sands or what would become the White Sands Proving Grounds?

Posted by: jem at August 19, 2013 11:33 AM (fM4kr)

167 The Cruz family is renowned for their unique serape design, incorporating a maple leaf and the Bay of Pigs into the image.

They also sell matching tuques.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 11:33 AM (/kI1Q)

168 Drew, third strike. The rule is stricter for earlier birth. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:33 AM (wR+pz)

169 In that book, did they mention anything of Victorio Peak at the white sands or what would become the White Sands Proving Grounds? Not that I recall.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 19, 2013 11:34 AM (7ObY1)

170 A series of stories explaining how inappropriate and wrong it would be for someone with no executive experience and only part way through their first Senate term to run for President? Yes, exactly.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2013 11:34 AM (2Tv3A)

171 What's going on? Is somebody trying out their shiny new botnet? Posted by: The GOP at August 19, 2013 03:31 PM (45N4D) Just setting up the backdoors Lavabit went dark to avoid. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:35 AM (qyfb5)

172 "Some will accuse the media of instituting a double standard when it comes to these two cases because Cruz is a Republican and Obama is a Democrat." Translation from Post-speak: If you think this is a double standard, obviously you're not familiar with some of our greatest hits (See: George Allen "macaca" or Rick Perry "rock on hunting property he rented had bad N-word on it, kind of")

Posted by: Conservatronic at August 19, 2013 11:35 AM (ZgUuK)

173 I believe my response to this topic can best be summed up pictographically: http://bit.ly/17YwdbO http://bit.ly/16DG8bz Sekrit for MWR: http://bit.ly/14vbvPM

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 19, 2013 11:35 AM (VtjlW)

174 When playing hockey, Ted Cruz throws bananas at himself.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:36 AM (ZshNr)

175
Misread Drudge copy on line. i thought that sounded a little too young.
Posted by: Billy Bob




Arguing a position based on the nuanced technicalities of citizenship law. Get tripped up by missing an obvious error.

Time to fold the banners.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2013 11:36 AM (kdS6q)

176 172 In that book, did they mention anything of Victorio Peak at the white sands or what would become the White Sands Proving Grounds?


Not that I recall.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 19, 2013 03:34 PM (7ObY1)


Thank ya kindly.  I appreciate the response.  I will still check it out.

Posted by: jem at August 19, 2013 11:36 AM (fM4kr)

177

Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:33 PM (wR+pz)

 

And Cruz's mother met that requirement.  She was born in Delaware and graduated from Rice University.  That's the time period right there, and in fact she was present for longer than the required time, being she didn't move to Canada until the 1960s.

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:36 AM (eytER)

178 What the fuck. Give me a Canadian over a Kenyan communist annyfukkinday.

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 11:37 AM (xWW96)

179 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:33 PM (wR+pz) Yes genius and as I explained in the last link, she lived in the US for at least the first 20 years of her life. 14+5=19 she's covered. You're making up this idea that some of those years have to be right before he was born. That's a figment of your imagination.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2013 11:37 AM (6cEN2)

180 "Birthers, by and large, don't object to Obama because his father was not an American, but rather because they believe he was born in Kenya. Why they believe this remains a mystery."

A mystery why they believe this.

Yep. The fact that Obama himself submitted an authorial autobiographical note to his publisher which used specific words about his having been "BORN IN KENYA" could not possibly have affected birther thinking.

Total mystery, man. We should call Scooby-Doo and the gang on this one.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 19, 2013 11:37 AM (gqT4g)

181 @179 See @171. Not at all, the earlier birth date requirements are much harder to meet. TEN years, Not Five.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:37 AM (wR+pz)

182 Can we just call these guys afterbirthers, you know, just to avoid confusion with the original birthers?

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at August 19, 2013 11:37 AM (/lWM8)

183 You speak in photos?

Posted by: dantesed at August 19, 2013 11:37 AM (9nLXu)

184 69 The heck with Birtherism, what about Tentherism?

--

I suppose I'd be deluding myself if I thought you were endorsing my presidential run?

Posted by: TenthJustice at August 19, 2013 11:38 AM (qB8lN)

185 I keep seeing this 5 and 10 year BS.  8USC1401 says ONE year continuous.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 11:38 AM (lZvxr)

186 TEN years, Not Five. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:37 PM (wR+pz) Holy fuck, dude, you're digging air 10,000 feet over India now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:39 AM (qyfb5)

187 And Cruz's mother met that requirement. She was born in Delaware and graduated from Rice University. That's the time period right there, and in fact she was present for longer than the required time, being she didn't move to Canada until the 1960s. Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 03:36 PM (eytER) I don't have any idea how long she has lived in the USA. I am simply stating the law. Chill out.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:39 AM (wR+pz)

188 Holy shit, it's like dealing with Lefty math.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 19, 2013 11:39 AM (uYaYO)

189 We really do forget but the Dems were going full "birther" on McCain in 2008. Then they quickly realized that their own nominee was, in contrast to McCain, refusing to release basic information to prove it. McCain was giving out copies of his birth certificate like business cards. The MSM M.O. (and look for it with Cruz) is to just tease the story about "questions are being asked" about Cruz' eligibility. Even the story might be even-handed or possibly just dismiss the whole stupid idea, but the MSM has long learned how to use headlines and teasers as their primary tools of propaganda.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 19, 2013 11:40 AM (T0NGe)

190 Waste of time. He's not going to be any nominee unless you've got some different Party to be the nominee of.

Posted by: Bigby's OTOH at August 19, 2013 11:40 AM (3ZtZW)

191 Ted Cruz' family reached the U.S. by raft AND dogsled.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:40 AM (ZshNr)

192 Just in case that wasn't clear, 20 years is more than 10.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:40 AM (qyfb5)

193

Not at all, the earlier birth date requirements are much harder to meet.

TEN years, Not Five.

 

Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:37 PM (wR+pz)

 

Yep, ten years, five of which must have been after the 14th birthday.


She has met that requirement.  Born and raised in Delaware - 5 years.  The period after her 14th birthday and when she graduated from Rice > 5 years. 

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:40 AM (eytER)

194 It's pretty obvious that Obama likes to make the "voids" in his resume so he can use them to taunt those who oppose him.

It seems that the entire "Birther" thing was created by Obama, who tried, like Liz Warren, to tap into the minority give-a-ways in college by claiming, falsely, that he was born in Kenya. He later tried to use his Kenyan birth canard to help pitch his books. Then, he ran for US Senate and President, and it became a problem. He managed to cleverly turn his own prevarication on his opponents, who wanted to believe the canard.

Of the many items we really don't know about Obama are his grades in college. At this point, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to hold the belief that Obama never cracked an economics book at any point during his time as an undergrad or later in law school.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 19, 2013 11:40 AM (e8kgV)

195 Do they eat dogs in Canada?

Posted by: wth at August 19, 2013 11:40 AM (wAQA5)

196

Drew, third strike. The rule is stricter for earlier birth.

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child

 

Since his mother was born in the USA and attend college in the USA, graduating therefrom, it looks like she passes the time requirement, unless there is any actual (i.e. - not speculation) evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Spleen! Now with Oxidizers! at August 19, 2013 11:40 AM (hLRSq)

197 Crispy cream will eat him up in a debate SWIDT?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at August 19, 2013 11:41 AM (u0HjB)

198

I don't have any idea how long she has lived in the USA. I am simply stating the law.

Chill out.

 

Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:39 PM (wR+pz)

 

---------------

 

Well, Drew has a link to the information.  But if you don't know, how can you say Cruz isn't eligible?

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:41 AM (eytER)

199

200Do they eat dogs in Canada?

 

 

 

Some do, but only after all else has run out.

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 11:42 AM (xWW96)

200

Except it is and apples-to-apples comparison.

---

I thought the birther claim was that Obama was born in Kenya. Which he wasn't.

But Cruz was born outside the country. So isn't that a 'significant' difference in the facts in the two cases?

significant to a birther mindset...

Posted by: Your future Cylon Overlords at August 19, 2013 11:42 AM (SO2Q8)

201
TEN years, Not Five.
Posted by: Billy Bob

Holy fuck, dude, you're digging air 10,000 feet over India now.
Posted by: Merovign





Just wait until he declares Cruz doesn't have to pay income tax because not enough states ratified the 16th Amendment.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2013 11:43 AM (kdS6q)

202 ) 189 I keep seeing this 5 and 10 year BS. 8USC1401 says ONE year continuous. 
Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 03:38 PM (lZvxr)

<quote>
USC1401:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:
</endquote>

Citizenship for child of alien + US citizen, of which the citizen is required to live in US for a total of 5 years, 2 after age 14.   

We're using a US Gov website for the summary of the law - it matches.   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:43 AM (sGtp+)

203 Well, Drew has a link to the information. But if you don't know, how can you say Cruz isn't eligible? I never said he was not eligible. I simply axed the question, since I have no knowledge to the residency of his mother. Which is the key. Think I've made that clear.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:43 AM (wR+pz)

204 I think the whole question is moot anyway.  Cruz will NEVER be selected under the current shitty primary schedule which has 90% of the first 25 States voting being Blue States.


We will get the Fat DIABLO Asshole from NJ or the Diablo shit from MA that sneaked into the Senate for a shirt while because the MA commies were complacent.

Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (lZvxr)

205 Ted Cruz likes Cuban pulled pork and Canadian Bacon on the same sandwich. He's a total Snowback

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (ZshNr)

206


>>>Just wait until he declares Cruz doesn't have to pay income tax because not enough states ratified the 16th Amendment.

 

Have you ever seen a Canadian drink tap water? No.

Posted by: Bigby's OTOH at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (3ZtZW)

207 Just in case that wasn't clear, 20 years is more than 10. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at August 19, 2013 03:40 PM (qyfb5) I was told there would be no math on this blog.
Speaking of math: http://bit.ly/17EUPaD

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (VtjlW)

208 I've lived in Canada for 3 years.  I grew up in NYS, lived most of my adult life in the USA.

If my wife and I had a child now, that child would be a natural born American citizen, same as the two kids that were born in NY.

Period.

Posted by: grognard at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (/29Nl)

209 Greg Pollowitz @GPollowitz Sen. Cruz releases his birth cert; He's Canadian and American - like Wolverine? ----- Tee hee

Posted by: RWC at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (fWAjv)

210 192 Holy shit, it's like dealing with Lefty math.

Polar coordinate system...everything is circular

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (vZOX+)

211 I don't have any idea how long she has lived in the USA. I am simply stating the law. Yes, and whoever issued the passport has adjudicated quite a few more than you. Leave it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (659DL)

212 Just wait until he declares Cruz doesn't have to pay income tax because not enough states ratified the 16th Amendment. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2013 03:43 PM (kdS6q) Hey, he could file in Canada?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:44 AM (wR+pz)

213 210Ted Cruz likes Cuban pulled pork and Canadian Bacon on the same sandwich. He's a total Snowback

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 03:44 PM (ZshNr)

 

 

It also proves he's not a fucking muslim.

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 11:45 AM (xWW96)

214

Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:43 PM (wR+pz)

 

----------

 

Oh....you're just asking questions.

 

Got it.

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 19, 2013 11:45 AM (eytER)

215 Poutine with fried plantain in lieu of fried potatoes?
Hrmmmmm.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 11:45 AM (/kI1Q)

216 Seriously, its not like law matters anymore.  We've gone past that archaic provincalism

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 19, 2013 11:45 AM (vZOX+)

217 We should send Christmas gifts to all our liberal friends, wrapped in copies of Ted's birth certificate.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 19, 2013 11:45 AM (IXrOn)

218 "The MSM has embraced it's inner kook and decided that birtherism is actually kind of cool after all."

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd... Fen's Law yet again.

The Left don't really believe the things they lecture the rest of us about.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 19, 2013 11:46 AM (gqT4g)

219 A Cruz presidency will lead to wholesale amnesty for all Canadians and open borders.  This must be stopped eleventy!  It's all baked in I'm telling you... it's a shell game!!

Posted by: Yip at August 19, 2013 11:46 AM (/jHWN)

220 This Ted Cruise guy is just a stooped as Romney. No Sir, I will stick with President Obama and his plans to help Persons of Color. This Cruise guy is a white concubine that us persons of color and persons of some color are not inteested in. No Thank You !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess' at August 19, 2013 11:47 AM (R8X+X)

221 A Cruz presidency will lead to wholesale amnesty for all Canadians and open borders. This must be stopped eleventy! It's all baked in I'm telling you... it's a shell game!! Posted by: Yip at August 19, 2013 03:46 PM (/jHWN) Does that mean I'll get a Tim Horton's by me? Because I'm willing to discuss that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 19, 2013 11:47 AM (VtjlW)

222 200Do they eat dogs in Canada?

Posted by: wth at August 19, 2013 03:40 PM (wAQA5)

---

Ummm... pupsicles

Posted by: Kim Jong Gretzky at August 19, 2013 11:47 AM (SO2Q8)

223 Speaking of math: http://bit.ly/17EUPaD Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 19, 2013 03:44 PM (VtjlW) I love math.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:47 AM (qyfb5)

224
I thought the birther claim was that Obama was born in Kenya. Which he wasn't.

Right, He only claimed to be, for half of his miserable life. But nothing to see here.

Posted by: real joe at August 19, 2013 11:47 AM (1n/oP)

225   I never said he was not eligible. I simply axed the question, since I have no knowledge to the residency of his mother. Which is the key.  Think I've made that clear. 
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:43 PM (wR+pz)

You've asked the question, and you've been given the answer despite showing a lot of incorrect handling of the material you're worked with.  (misreading State.gov website, getting Cruz's birthdate wrong by a hilarious amount)

So there you are, you have your answers.   Happy?   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:47 AM (sGtp+)

226 Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:43 PM (wR+pz) ---------- Oh....you're just asking questions. Got it. That's my story, and I am sticking to it!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:47 AM (wR+pz)

227 Cruz can't win the hispanic vote because he's clearly a white-cuban-hispanic...

Posted by: Yip at August 19, 2013 11:48 AM (/jHWN)

228 I was told there would be no math on this blog.

Math?  HUH!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nuthin'!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 19, 2013 11:48 AM (/kI1Q)

229 So there you are, you have your answers. Happy? Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 03:47 PM (sGtp+) Yeah, I would love to see Cruz run.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:48 AM (wR+pz)

230 112 The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship.

I found this part funny.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 19, 2013 03:17 PM (SY2Kh)

Not what it sez.

It says that if the husband is the US Citizen (and the mother is not), then he must be the father of the child.  Rather than the dude she convinced to marry her after some other dude knocked her up.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at August 19, 2013 11:48 AM (LVceB)

231 Calvinball -- the new normal

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 19, 2013 11:49 AM (vZOX+)

232 A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the personÂ’s birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the personÂ’s birth. The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 03:10 PM (wR+pz)


Ted's mother is a citizen, so it seems pretty obvious that she fufills that requirement.

Posted by: KG at August 19, 2013 11:49 AM (p7BzH)

233 Somebody stomp this thread.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:50 AM (qyfb5)

234
Poutine with fried plantain in lieu of fried potatoes?
Posted by: HeatherRadish




Gravy on his nachos.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2013 11:50 AM (kdS6q)

235 >>>Math? HUH!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nuthin'!

Say it again, y'all....

Posted by: Recursion at August 19, 2013 11:50 AM (VndSC)

236 Is poutine sausage?

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:51 AM (ZshNr)

237 239 Somebody stomp this thread. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at August 19, 2013 03:50 PM (qyfb5) Hey, have I talked to you all about Herba Life?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 19, 2013 11:51 AM (wR+pz)

238 Not what it sez.  It says that if the husband is the US Citizen (and the mother is not), then he must be the father of the child. Rather than the dude she convinced to marry her after some other dude knocked her up.
 
Posted by: Troll Feeder at August 19, 2013 03:48 PM (LVceB)


Read the section correctly please. 

Section Title:   " Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:"

"if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the personÂ’s birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the personÂ’s birth. The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship."

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:52 AM (sGtp+)

239

It's really very simple. If he can explain the Offsides rule in Hockey, he is ineligeble to be President.

If he knows what Back-house weight is, he is ineligle for Congress.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 19, 2013 11:52 AM (SO2Q8)

240 Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 19, 2013 03:40 PM (e8kgV) Yep. I think he manufactured the Kenyan birth to appear exotic and to get student aid and when it became a liability he lost it. Obama is a lair. The people behind him are evil.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2013 11:52 AM (2Tv3A)

241 Quote fail.  Oh wells. 

SMOD!  SMOD! 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:53 AM (oY6Yp)

242 But what about Cruz' religion, huh? You can't be a candidate unless your religion is fully investigated!

Posted by: The MFM at August 19, 2013 11:53 AM (FcR7P)

243

>>>Yep. I think he manufactured the Kenyan birth to appear exotic and to get student aid and when it became a liability he lost it.

 

 

I hate people that pull that kind of crap.

Posted by: Fauxcahontis at August 19, 2013 11:54 AM (VndSC)

244 He's French-Catholic-Santeria Methodist.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 11:54 AM (ZshNr)

245 Somebody stomp this thread. Posted by: Merovign Thread Winner. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at August 19, 2013 03:50 PM (tWmgi) Sniffle. Fine. Fine. See if I share anymore hotassery. Sniffle. *trudges off*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 19, 2013 11:54 AM (VtjlW)

246 Nood up. 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 11:54 AM (v3pYe)

247

When international questions arise, most times the conversation leads to "where can I get a good Polish potato pancake?"

 

I'm not talking about a latkes that the money changers eat with their child's blood matzah,  but actual Polish potato pancakes made by sturdy women every bit as blonde as Swedes, only in a more industrial package.

 

Well, the answer is Dudek Potato Pancakes in Hamtramck, a Polish enclave in Detroit.  They sell them frozen and I believe the company is a part of Kowalski sausage company.

 

Saute lightly for a minute on both sides in salted President butter. 

 

You'll thank me later.

Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2013 11:55 AM (u2a4R)

248

Slightly OT:

My brother's uber-liberal girlfriend, the high school photography teacher from Berkeley, already has a Hillary 2016 bumper sticker on her car.  It looks like something from a third grade art class.

Posted by: wth at August 19, 2013 11:55 AM (wAQA5)

249 O/T
Interesting,
Just received a phone solicitation from the Breast Cancer foundation.
They were explaining to me how they helped to provide diagnostics and treatment for thousands of men and women who can not afford health care.

The caller seemed to be somewhat unsettled when I pointed out that under the Affordable Healthcare Act, the Breast Cancer foundation would no longer be needed. Healthcare coverage for everyone....right?

I'm going to hell for that one.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 19, 2013 11:57 AM (SfGRU)

250 Sniffle. Fine. Fine. See if I share anymore hotassery. Sniffle. *trudges off* Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 19, 2013 03:54 PM (VtjlW) Why not a Hotassery thread? Starring alexthechick?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 19, 2013 11:57 AM (qyfb5)

251 213 I've lived in Canada for 3 years. I grew up in NYS, lived most of my adult life in the USA.

If my wife and I had a child now, that child would be a natural born American citizen, same as the two kids that were born in NY.

Period.

Posted by: grognard at August 19, 2013 03:44 PM (/29Nl)

Birth of U.S. Citizens Abroad

May 28, 2013  http://tinyurl.com/47km2f2

It's fairly recent update, they keep changing things.


Posted by: caustic at August 19, 2013 11:57 AM (/b8+5)

252 196 Ted Cruz' family reached the U.S. by raft AND dogsled. Posted by: Lincolntf at August 19, 2013 03:40 PM (ZshNr) Classic pincer movement migration.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at August 19, 2013 11:58 AM (HEa5q)

253 162 What's going on? Is somebody trying out their shiny new botnet? Been wondering this for a while. Wasn't there a Dirk Pitt novel from Cussler or someone recently with a sentient Iranian supercomputer and AI doing practical jokes like this - right before they attempted to take over the world, etc.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at August 19, 2013 12:01 PM (4p5/2)

254 Birthers, by and large, don't object to Obama because his father was not an American, but rather because they believe he was born in Kenya. Why they believe this remains a mystery. But nevertheless, that's what they believe. Well, because 1) Obama himself submitted to his literary agent that he was born in Kenya and only changed that fact when he ran for President. 2) Obama himself in one of his autobiographies said there was "something wrong" with his birth certificate according to his mother. 3) All immigration records into the USA for the week after his birth have been missing from the National Archives since his presidency---no other records, just that week. 4) Kenyan media and government officials have repeatedly and to this day said he was born there. 5) The current version of his birth certificate has been declared a fake by sheriff Joe's team as well as at least one of Obama's lawyers. Cruz is not eligible either or would not be if we were still a Country of laws. That is all I have to say on the subject.

Posted by: Daybrother at August 19, 2013 12:09 PM (kXdUT)

255 I sure hope Ted doesn't have any friends who used to be in the SDS and blew things up and stuff.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at August 19, 2013 12:11 PM (28TG+)

256 @245 ConservativeMonster at August 19, 2013 03:52 PM (sGtp+)

True.  About that section.

But that section doesn't apply to Cruz.  The section about birth to a married couple applies, and that is what the "U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship" language means, and that is what I wrote about.


Nevertheless, you and Hollowpoint are correct that the out-of-wedlock section does include the genetically-related to the mother language, so, apologies.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at August 19, 2013 12:14 PM (LVceB)

257 I don't know how this fits with the post above... but I've decided to throw my support behind Rand Paul. The nation is f'ed up and run-of-the-mill candidates don't have the fire in their belly to burn this liberal house down. Maybe Senator Paul does.

Posted by: A Conservative Teacher at August 19, 2013 12:25 PM (idosS)

258

258 Why not a weekly Hotassery thread? Starring alexthechick?

 

fixt

Posted by: Anachronda at August 19, 2013 12:26 PM (FzhYM)

259

Yes Drew, you explained quite well through your link that Cruz is a 'Citizen'.  You failed to explain that he is the 'natural born citizen' that is required to be POTUS as opposed to the 'citizen' that is required to be a Congresscritter.

 

As for combining the two birtherisms:  It is pretty clear to me that the biggest defense of Obama against the birthers was that, yes, he was born in Hawaii.

 

The defenders of Obama in that case have basically admitted that if he was born in Kenya (as most birthers claim), then he would not be eligible to be President...why?  Because of having only the mother being an American Citizen.

 

So then, how does this relate to Cruz?  1) only the mother was a citizen, and 2) he was born outside the United States.

Seems to me that the liberals and the birthers have every right to shout about the eligibility of Cruz.   The liberals because they made pains to make sure we knew he was born in Hawaii, and the birthers, because they think Obama isn't eligible because he was born in Kenya.

 

Posted by: doug at August 19, 2013 12:41 PM (uJ8q7)

260 Meanwhile, Mike Zullo sits on a growing mound of evidence that fraudulent documents have been produced to support Obama's eligibility.

And they called me "stupid"!

Posted by: not really here at August 19, 2013 12:42 PM (2ZF1e)

261

Question.

 

Do you want... do WE want... someone who can be considered a Citizen of another country, to be Commander in Chief?  

 

Remember, after WW2 we convicted a Guy of Treason for fighting for the Japanese Army.... sentenced him to DEATH... even though HE thought he had given up his American Citizenship....

 

Do you really want the Commander in Chief to have that type of Legal complication???

 

Because the Founders did not... thus the Natural Born Citizen clause for President.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 19, 2013 12:42 PM (lZBBB)

262 Oh btw, Ted Cruz is absolutely eligible to be President. Unlike our current resident of the White House, Cruz did not renounce his citizenship in order to gain advantage in admittance to college There's your birtherism.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at August 19, 2013 12:44 PM (uvN/x)

263 dudes, he's Canadian......that's the country that makes sure it doesn't win any gold medals at the Olympics because they are too nice. They are the ones whose athletes always hold up two fingers rather than just one. Do we really want a Canadian citizen to be President? The first secret edict will be to make sure our military is very good, but just not the best. We'll have great healthcare, just not the best. Want to have a fantastic GDP? Sure, but just not the best.

Posted by: doug at August 19, 2013 12:48 PM (uJ8q7)

264 I'm actually a little unsure of Cruz's eligilbilty because it's my understanding that NATURAL-BORN meant one has to have BOTH  parents be US citizens (Cruz is a citizen, no doubt, but natural-born? John Jay wouldn't think so).

HOWEVER, after O, the Dems owe us one.


But,  in light of Ted Cruz's ENORMOUS blunder on Egypt, he's not ready to be POTUS anyway. I  was all ready to jump on the  Cruz 2016! bandwagon (should Perry  not run) and I like Cruz on domestic issues pretty much (tho he was very vague about the NSA at first, remember? He said we shouldn't  jump to  conclusions  even tho we all knew right away how illegal it was), but he is   way too naive on foreign policy if he's gullible enough to side with McCain wrt Egypt. 

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 19, 2013 12:50 PM (KL49F)

265 Doug. He ain't French. Damn.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at August 19, 2013 12:50 PM (uvN/x)

266 I'd vote many times for him.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 19, 2013 01:07 PM (baL2B)

267 Speaking of Canadians, I would bet an amount I could walk down a street in Vancouver and not only pick a better President out of the crowd, but one that loves and respects this country more.

Posted by: maddogg at August 19, 2013 03:20 PM (xWW96)



And as one born and raised in Vancouver, but thankfully now an adopted Albertan, you could also walk down that same street, and find a doctrinaire Marxist, too. Probably even a gay, transgendered and handicapped doctrinaire Marxist.


Vancouver, the San Fransicko of Canada.



Incidentally, I accept that Obama was born in Hawaii. The fraud in his birth certificate is the name of his father. Clearly he is the son of Frank Marshall Davis; he's the spitting image. Barack Obama senior was just chosen to hide the fact that a college professor had gotten one of his students knocked up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 19, 2013 01:08 PM (60Q+L)

268 I'll vote for just about anyone who gets the collective lefts' panties in a twist.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at August 19, 2013 01:20 PM (DoZD+)

269 Has Cruz ever denied being born in Canada or hidden his birth certificate or kept it mysterious?

Posted by: Northernlurker at August 19, 2013 02:02 PM (BLAfs)

270 We don't call them 'birthers', we call them breeders.

Posted by: How else can we get the ghey gene passed on? at August 19, 2013 02:24 PM (nbGZj)

271 Respectability is the new Closet.

Posted by: Remember The Stonewall Riots at August 19, 2013 02:30 PM (nbGZj)

272

51.05* Or Fight!

Posted by: Conservatives Who Want Calgary Latitude To Be New U.S. Border at August 19, 2013 03:14 PM (nbGZj)

273 119shall we let's not forget that for years Obama, we were told, was born in Kenya.

Come on, the only credible source that said Obama was born in Kenya was his publisher.

http://tinyurl.com/897mzqs

(God, I get all schadenfraudey over that story.)

Posted by: AmishDude at August 19, 2013 03:24 PM (T0NGe)

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------

 

^^^  This. Obama's own literary agents were "birthers". I guess they had a time machine, which they used to zip to 2007, then came back to 1991 to crush The Won's Hope™ and Change™. GOOD THING THEY DIDN'T SUCCEED, THE RACIST BASTARDS!@#&

Posted by: NotAMoose at August 19, 2013 03:58 PM (ZZg4j)

274 Didn't see that coming at all. Oh, but Cruz has served half a senate term, so he's our next Mama Grizzly.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 19, 2013 04:06 PM (+NYjg)

275 "You continue to interchange naturalized citizen / citizen and natural born citizen. They are not the same thing." - Posted by: polynikes at August 19, 2013 03:23 PM (m2CN7) And as long as people keep making this most mind boggling of mistakes, thinking 3 different things are the same, like thinking 10 and 100 and 1000 are all the same as they end in a zero, what they say is useless.

Posted by: FeralCat at August 19, 2013 04:55 PM (TWcaX)

276 Folks, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Cruz is absolutely not eligible.  And this coming from a person who LOVES Cruz.  You cannot equate citizen with natural born citizen, they are separate and distinct.  Most who believe the two are linked reference the English common law reference of "natural born subject" and believe it is the same as "natural born citizen."  They are not.  Remember, the King was not only the political head, but also the religious leader.  A person born in London who did not practice the Church of England and pay homage to the King was not a "natural born subject" and not entitled to the King's protection.  And, by the separation of church and state, we cannot employ that term here.  It is derived from Vattel.  One only need look at the Minor decision to see the court affirmed the meaning of natural born citizen without expanding it.  The Wong Kim Ark decision did nothing to change that.

Posted by: Rich at August 20, 2013 06:57 AM (aC38y)

277 Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5:  Qualifications for office:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President...."

Annotated: "No Person except [A] a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution [in 1793], shall be eligible to the Office of President...."

Doesn't say: "No Person except [A], or , shall be eligible to the Office of President...."

Actually says: "No Person except [A], or , [in 1793], shall be eligible to the Office of President...."

[A] and are, by the accepted rules of grammar, independent clauses to which the condition [in 1793] applies separately. "No person except [A] in 1793," and "No person except in 1793" are both correct.

Therefore, no person not present in 1793 is eligible to become President.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at August 20, 2013 11:55 AM (lILC0)

278 Sorry. dunno where the bold came from.

OK, yes I do. Let's try again:

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5:  Qualifications for office:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President...."

Annotated: "No Person except (A) a natural born Citizen, or (B) a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution (in 1793), shall be eligible to the Office of President...."

Doesn't say: "No Person except (A), or (B in 1793), shall be eligible to the Office of President...."

Actually says: "No Person except (A), or (B), (in 1793), shall be eligible to the Office of President...."

(A) and (B) are, by the accepted rules of grammar, independent clauses to which the condition (in 1793) applies separately. "No person except (A) in 1793," and "No person except (B) in 1793" are both correct.

Therefore, no person not present in 1793 is eligible to become President.

ACE, YOU NEED TO *FIX* THE DAMN HTML!


Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at August 20, 2013 12:01 PM (lILC0)

279 Bold off?

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at August 20, 2013 12:03 PM (lILC0)

280 Bold off.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at August 20, 2013 12:04 PM (lILC0)

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