October 15, 2013
— Ace
BREAKING: Boehner spokesman: House to vote Tuesday night to reopen government and avoid default.
— The Associated Press (@AP) October 15, 2013
And which plan will this be? I don't know, but I think this Costa piece outlines the current shape of things.
The medical device tax repeal is out, due to demands of... Tea Party aligned members, who called the repeal of the tax a sop towards "crony capitalism."
The part about inflicting ObamaCare on government workers is now off the table, except as regards Congressmen themselves. Their staffs shall continue to enjoy a specially created Caste, in which they enjoy special privileges and immunities.
On the other fronts, the majority of the Republican conference is mostly united. They’re okay with extending the debt limit and funding the government, and they like the idea of broader budget talks later this year. The’ve also agreed to tinker with Boener’s proposed dates. Instead of opening the government through early 2014, they’ll do it through December 15, and they’ll exend the debt ceiling through February 7. “This is our plan,” explains a House leadership staffer. “It’s imperfect and small and we want much more, but it’s our plan, not the Senate’s. We think it’s got a pretty good shot.”
I personally think it's folding time. We didn't get the breaks needed to win anything here.
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Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 15, 2013 01:02 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: rickl at October 15, 2013 01:02 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 01:02 PM (kfSXj)
Posted by: blaster at October 15, 2013 01:03 PM (W6bkf)
Oh good, the MFM can dust off the "Republicans Steal Christmas!" graphics.
Posted by: Who's Barry Badrinath? at October 15, 2013 01:03 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Gen. George Custer at October 15, 2013 01:03 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: soothie at October 15, 2013 01:04 PM (g100g)
Posted by: soothie at October 15, 2013 01:04 PM (g100g)
Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 15, 2013 01:04 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at October 15, 2013 01:05 PM (0duDc)
Posted by: Pol Pot at October 15, 2013 01:05 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: BuckIV at October 15, 2013 01:05 PM (gedHR)
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 15, 2013 01:06 PM (S1X4V)
I personally think it's folding time. We didn't get the breaks needed to win anything here (Ace)
RINO! RINO! RINO!!!!! (DrewM and all the other idot RINO hunters)
Posted by: buzz at October 15, 2013 01:07 PM (i27M5)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 15, 2013 01:07 PM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: soothie at October 15, 2013 01:07 PM (g100g)
"so will somebody please just what the fuck IS going on???"
You are going to take it up the squeak-hole. Your Representatives in congress are just working out the details.
Posted by: Cicero Kid respectfully declines to acquiess to their requests at October 15, 2013 01:07 PM (DHQv9)
And have Boehner flayed for my amusement.
Posted by: King Barry Longshanks at October 15, 2013 01:08 PM (UJPkX)
Posted by: Serious Cat at October 15, 2013 01:08 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: JEM at October 15, 2013 01:08 PM (o+SC1)
Absolutely right. We've already lost it all.
There will be no stopping Choom Boy now. His power is absolute.
The one thing I will enjoy while the shit hits the fan is the whining of the "Conservative Pundits," who will be carping because Nobody Did Anything and blaming everyone but themselves.
In this corner: Emperor Baracka I and his thugs.
In that corner: the cowering eunuchs of the Republican party.
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 15, 2013 01:09 PM (kaGpp)
How about they get out there and point out that 'Default' is an impossibility.
Only an (additional) unconstitutional act by the President can invoke default.
Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 01:09 PM (9fmNh)
...........
Breaks? breaks? WTF do you mean by "breaks"? There were never any "breaks" to be had, Ace.
All of you "if we just fight we can win this thing!" folks were venting your frustrations - I understand that. You wanted some way to win. But there WAS NO WAY to win this. The only option was shutting down the government permanently. But that is stupid. Once the GOP realizes they cannot do that, it is over. It was a stupid tactic right from the beginning.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 15, 2013 01:09 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: alexthechick - Fuck it kitty, angry kitty, little ball of rage at October 15, 2013 01:09 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: soothie at October 15, 2013 01:09 PM (g100g)
Nothing. Victory was never possible. And when people tried to warn conservatives that Cruz's strategy was doomed to failure, those folks got called RINOs, and were compared to Nazi collaborators, among other such highlights of political discourse.
This has devastated the entire GOP, our numbers are in the shitter, and we'll have to work overtime just to get the normal off-year gains of the out-party in 2014. But hey, at least Ted Cruz's 2016 campaign got off to a good start, and that's all that really mattered, right?
Posted by: Lou at October 15, 2013 01:10 PM (VrJUC)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 15, 2013 01:10 PM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2013 01:11 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 01:11 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Nate at October 15, 2013 01:11 PM (i3OIF)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 15, 2013 01:11 PM (uf1pv)
Posted by: JEM at October 15, 2013 01:11 PM (o+SC1)
I washh hoping to hold out a little longer sho I could get a beer shummit at the White Houshe.
It'sh been a rough couple weeksh. I really coulda ushed shome free beers after all thish.
*hic*
Posted by: John Boehner at October 15, 2013 01:11 PM (7EoL1)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 15, 2013 01:12 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: CAC at October 15, 2013 01:12 PM (24NZk)
Posted by: buzz at October 15, 2013 01:12 PM (i27M5)
I'm done. Taking a break for a bit.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 15, 2013 01:12 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Lauren at October 15, 2013 01:13 PM (ELdpj)
This has devastated the entire GOP, our numbers are in the shitter, and we'll have to work overtime just to get the normal off-year gains of the out-party in 2014. But hey, at least Ted Cruz's 2016 campaign got off to a good start, and that's all that really mattered, right?
What are you smoking? Did you bring enough for everyone?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2013 01:13 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Methos at October 15, 2013 01:13 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 15, 2013 01:13 PM (IyKYr)
Posted by: NCKate at October 15, 2013 01:14 PM (CV9aS)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2013 01:14 PM (a4Omg)
And neither are about 97% of the American people.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 05:11 PM
__________________________________
well said +++++++++
Posted by: buzz at October 15, 2013 01:14 PM (i27M5)
Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2013 01:14 PM (9XBK2)
We need to relentlessly expose all the fuck ups even remotely associated with Obamacare and ensure that people hear that the GOP tried to stop the trainwreck. Instead of continuing the fight I predict they will continue to fold over and over again.
Prediction - The Washington Redskins will end up changing their name. Why? Because leftists never stop fighting for their preferences. Never. We need some of that same tenacity. But we have Graham, McCain, Boehner etc.
Posted by: BuckIV at October 15, 2013 01:14 PM (gedHR)
Posted by: soothie at October 15, 2013 01:15 PM (g100g)
Posted by: Barbara Boxxxer [/i] at October 15, 2013 01:15 PM (U2UQk)
Kinda makes all these comment wars between conservatives seem silly, huh?
I stopped being emotional about this stuff long ago. I expect nothing from the GOP. They ain't on my team, that's for sure.
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 01:15 PM (bmp0d)
Posted by: JoeyBagels at October 15, 2013 01:15 PM (gfLa5)
Posted by: UWP at October 15, 2013 01:16 PM (vj51i)
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2013 01:16 PM (JM48I)
Posted by: redenzo at October 15, 2013 01:16 PM (vx61Q)
I have things to live for and people I care about so, you know, I'm not keen on joining a suicidal charge of the "let it burn" brigade.
And neither are about 97% of the American people.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 05:11 PM (ZPrif)
Tough shit. You no longer have a choice in that. The only choice remaining is whether we trigger the burning times or cower hoping some magical force will rescue us while the communists trigger the burning times at a time of their choosing. The only hope of any kind remaining was short circuiting them before they were ready. A cave now means even that is gone.
Posted by: Methos at October 15, 2013 01:17 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2013 01:17 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: T. at October 15, 2013 01:17 PM (Y6JQy)
Which of course would have happened without all this.
Posted by: jjshaka at October 15, 2013 01:17 PM (g5AEP)
Republicans will be the death of the GOP.
There is no political home for conservatives.
Congratulations, Gabriel. Your whiny, entitled staffer buddies will continue to foist their commie bullshit laws on us while avoiding having to follow those same laws.
Enjoy the GOP. It's all yours, buddy.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 15, 2013 01:17 PM (CJjw5)
Posted by: JEM at October 15, 2013 01:18 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
Prove it or, you know, STFU.
Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2013 01:18 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: OCBill at October 15, 2013 01:19 PM (rFipM)
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2013 05:16 PM (JM48I)
...and another.
Lotta concern from people I don't recognize, here.
Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 01:19 PM (9fmNh)
Why, are they hoping Santa will bring them some balls for Christmas?
Posted by: Waterhouse at October 15, 2013 01:19 PM (YVx8A)
Posted by: UWP at October 15, 2013 01:19 PM (vj51i)
Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 01:20 PM (kfSXj)
Posted by: BuckIV at October 15, 2013 05:05 PM (gedHR)
You have a valid point. In a fair and just world, the American public would know the GOP, however divided, fought the passage and implementation of the Obamacare ass-rape of the nation with every means at its disposal. But they won't know, just as they don't know that real unemployment has been at or around 14+ percent for the last five years or that over 300 Mexican nationals and two American federal officers are dead as the result of the Fast and Furious operation or that Obama cronies in bogus 'green energy' boondoggles have received hundreds of millions of dollars in tax dollars or that four good men died horribly in Benghazi because both Obama and Hillary Clinton were (justifably) worried about their respective political prospects.
We laugh at low information voters but their ignorance is killing the Republic.
Posted by: troyriser at October 15, 2013 01:20 PM (O66NZ)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at October 15, 2013 01:20 PM (naUcP)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at October 15, 2013 01:20 PM (1jQhu)
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 01:20 PM (bmp0d)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 15, 2013 01:20 PM (U2UQk)
Who the Hell would object to the Vitter ammendment, except congress of course. I mean that is a hill to die on. Make them feel their own law stuffed up their ass. Nobody in the general public would object.
WTF am I missing on this ? Default or the Vitter ammendment.
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 15, 2013 01:21 PM (nTgAI)
They're always ok with kicking the can down the road, that's all republicans do, once 'later' is reached they'll poke their heads out of their cesspools to see if anybody's still paying attention and then pass the same old shit that keeps the status quo.
Posted by: booger at October 15, 2013 01:21 PM (xRDdL)
So stop trying to make a string quartet with Obummer fiddling away in the White House, OK?
Fiddle? I thought he played the skinflute?
Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 01:21 PM (9fmNh)
@CAC,
You have too much titties.
We must redistribute the titties you have to other, titty deprived people.
You still like that plan 
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 15, 2013 01:21 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: © Sponge at October 15, 2013 01:21 PM (xmcEQ)
2014 will be strong for Republicans, and in 2016 Biden/Clinton/whoever the fuck will be crushed.
This was all about publicity, about rubbing the faces of the ignorant morons that compose the public in the fact that Republicans think Obamacare is horrible and would do anything short of wrecking the whole state to stop it, but failed. And the Democrats will (hilariously) think they've won. Not only do they own the passage of it, but they fought tooth and fucking nail to preserve it in the face of perfectly reasonable opposition (seriously? The whole program fails to launch, but delaying it is out of the question? idiots).
It's not rocket science. Why do you think Spaghetti Spine Boehner suddenly leaped on-board with Senator Cruz? A bit of theater never hurt anyone.
It amazes me how supposed political junkies who thrive on this stuff utterly fail to see the big picture. Like people who thought that Bush put forth whatshername as Supreme Court Justice because he actually wanted her in the spot.
Posted by: dawnfire82 at October 15, 2013 01:21 PM (1/hzQ)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at October 15, 2013 01:22 PM (naUcP)
Posted by: Matt at October 15, 2013 01:22 PM (90w0O)
Enjoy the GOP. It's all yours, buddy.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 15, 2013 05:17 PM (CJjw5)
I'd just like to point out that even this doesn't need to be true. Vote Democrat next year and Gabe's thieving buddies get replaced. It's not like we'll be any worse off, but we can at least spite that useless bunch.
Posted by: Methos at October 15, 2013 01:22 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 01:23 PM (bmp0d)
Posted by: © Sponge at October 15, 2013 01:23 PM (xmcEQ)
Congratulations, Gabriel. Your whiny, entitled staffer buddies will continue to foist their commie bullshit laws on us while avoiding having to follow those same laws.
Enjoy the GOP. It's all yours, buddy.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 15, 2013 05:17 PM (CJjw5)
No shit? Malor's a staffer???
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at October 15, 2013 01:23 PM (0duDc)
See I disagree, it's time for Atlas to shrug.
They wanted "free healthcare" they can have it...
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:24 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2013 05:16 PM (JM48I)
If you check the numbers I think you'll find your god-hero Obama isn't doing so well either, asshole.
Posted by: troyriser at October 15, 2013 01:24 PM (O66NZ)
Posted by: JoeyBagels at October 15, 2013 01:24 PM (gfLa5)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 01:24 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Boone at October 15, 2013 01:24 PM (3p8HS)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 15, 2013 01:25 PM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at October 15, 2013 01:25 PM (Od1RH)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2013 01:25 PM (IXrOn)
So?
I'm all outta gives a fuck.
The Insurance biz, AARP, and plenty of Big Pharma thought Ogabe's shit was Hershey's Syrup...
keep the tax...
and yeah that is the first time I have ever uttered those words here.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:25 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 05:20 PM (bmp0d)
As many as can be expected considering they control only 1/3 of the government. There needs to be some serious expectation management going on. You're not going to get small government out of a government that is 2/3 controlled by Dems. Period. Personally I'm just amazed we're five years into an Obama presidency and we don't have single payer and a federal assault weapons ban.
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2013 01:25 PM (JM48I)
Posted by: Jean at October 15, 2013 01:25 PM (CMlD4)
Because the debt ceiling is where we had the upper hand and were sure to prevail.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 15, 2013 01:26 PM (6CXX3)
Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2013 01:26 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 15, 2013 01:26 PM (EPcGF)
It was folding time a long time ago when the GOP decided to flinch and cry before we even started. The question is, has the GOP learned it's lesson so they will quit throwing the game before its played? If the answer is no we had better keep going until they do.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 15, 2013 01:26 PM (0q2P7)
This is just round one. The law is not settled. The public is now fully engaged and enraged. Events will occur before round two. And Barry and Harry will be on the hook. Fight on!
Posted by: mrp at October 15, 2013 01:26 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Jet Built Around Cannon at October 15, 2013 01:26 PM (70CRT)
You know what else was doomed to failure? The bullshit cloture vote that all the repubs (except Cruz) in the senate wanted so bad, all it did was allow repubs to claim they voted against obamacare, every single of those lying assholes knew that as soon as cloture passed dems would put everything right back in. That's why they're throwing a hissy fit over Cruz, he pointed out their bullshit, that vote was nothing but a way for repubs to lie to their constituents and tell them they voted against ocare and every one of them knew it was a lie, fuck them.
Posted by: booger at October 15, 2013 01:26 PM (xRDdL)
Man, if those crazy fools would just let the Old Guard do the thinking, we'd be winning this game.
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (bmp0d)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 15, 2013 05:26 PM (EPcGF)
yeah, there is this ^ The eternal sunshine of the spotless mind
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (nTgAI)
He was bragging about a Senate buddy....
hell I hope Gabe marries into the Gentry he is very deserving.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (9jfyN)
OK - I think I get this.. So when Obama says he needs another $1B to fix the website, Boehner will say no, right? Right? RIGHT?
Exactly - there is no hill to die on.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: MarxistMedia® at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (Od1RH)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (ZPrif)
Concern trolls are out in force today.
Aren't they though? Axeldouche must've hijacked a semi trailer full of Doritos amidst the partial shutdown and started driving through kollidge kampuses throwing them out the back with sticky notes showing the address here.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (P3dws)
everybody else who pointed out that, hey, this shutdown thing isn't working out so great for our side?
The Polls Are Falling!
The Polls Are Falling!
Posted by: RINO Little at October 15, 2013 01:27 PM (9fmNh)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 15, 2013 01:28 PM (EPcGF)
Posted by: troyriser at October 15, 2013 05:24 PM (O66NZ)
Yup, Obama's my God-hero. There is literally no other way I could oppose the shutdown strategy. Congrats, I thought I was a sneaky lib infiltrator but you found me out.
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2013 01:28 PM (JM48I)
Posted by: ace at October 15, 2013 01:28 PM (/IWYB)
I've said it across the comments today, but I'll repeat it again:
I'm one of those people opposed to repealing the medical device tax, but not so much because I see it as "crony capitalism" more because I see it as intentionally papering over one bad part of the law to hide it from voters and in doing so create another less visible bad part.
The tax was put in as a way of balancing the CBO numbers. It's unclear if the democrats ever actually intended it to go into effect or if they were going to scrub it, but it seems to me it was a tax that was easy to sell to LIVs (who likely saw it as a way of sticking it to Big Pharma/Big Medicine if they took notice of it at all.)
As things shook out, it clearly is having negative effects and it's gained some notoriety in recent weeks. (Home much is hard for me to tell since I do live in this high-info bubble.)
So the republican plan is to do away with it. And in turn what? Run a deficit? No, that seems wrong. Carrying that logic forward we should just do away with all the stupid taxes the democrats foist upon us to make a happier populace.
Any repeal of the medical device tax needs to be either part of a fuller repeal of Obamacare or at least offset by spending cuts (preferably in Obamacare) otherwise we're just giving the democrats what they need to sell this law, insulation from the bad effects, while keeping the bread and circuses.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 15, 2013 01:28 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 15, 2013 01:28 PM (EPcGF)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 15, 2013 01:29 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Jet Built Around Cannon at October 15, 2013 01:29 PM (70CRT)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 01:29 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: blaster at October 15, 2013 01:29 PM (W6bkf)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:29 PM (P3dws)
Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2013 01:30 PM (2NeaA)
Posted by: Mini True at October 15, 2013 01:30 PM (Vk2pI)
Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2013 01:30 PM (nsOJa)
I'm a concern-troll, is that it? Have I said a single goddamned thing that isn't true?
How long before every competitive Senate race next year becomes a Democrat running against a "Ted Cruz Republican?" The ads are already being written. If you think I'm bullshitting you, why don't you ask Pat Toomey about ads in the Philadelphia media market linking him to Christine O'Donnell that almost cost him his 2010 race, or nearly every candidate last year who got asked hard questions about whether or not they agree with Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock?
Posted by: Lou at October 15, 2013 01:30 PM (VrJUC)
Right?
Like how they've been unified as a party in saying ...well, I'm sure they've been sending a message somehow.
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 01:30 PM (bmp0d)
It is hard to admit defeat. But we were fighting a losing battle and we knew it when Ted Cruz started the filibuster. WE KNEW IT WAS NOT A WINNABLE FIGHT! So let's put it away for now.
I was hoping the justness of his cause would rule the day, and the media would at least be fair, but of course that was too much to ask.
Fairness does not exist in America today.
In spite of ourselves... Obamacare is failing and we may well get it repealed.
Hopefully, there will be a fully developed strategy... with fake sadness, to bring along the people in the middle class who are the primary targets of the higher costs... but who didn't realize it until now.
I do not think gloating is going to be useful if we are to reach the important goal of repeal and replace. In fact tact and humility is more important in victory than in defeat.
We are going to remove Obamacare as it stands now. We may not get rid of the name... but it is failing. And we can replace with something much more free market.
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 01:30 PM (DAcBA)
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2013 05:28 PM (JM48I)
I don't care who or what you are one way or the other. That's the beauty of the Internets.
Posted by: troyriser at October 15, 2013 01:30 PM (O66NZ)
Yeah!!!
Posted by: Boone
Rather the Plan is: 1 ) No nothing 2 ) Get elected for doing nothing 3 ) Then, then! I tell you we will do something!
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 15, 2013 01:31 PM (Qy3YA)
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 15, 2013 01:31 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 15, 2013 01:31 PM (EPcGF)
The Polls Are Falling!
Posted by: RINO Little at October 15, 2013 05:27 PM (9fmNh)
I played the "polls are dumb and biased" game all through 2012. It didn't work out.
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2013 01:31 PM (JM48I)
Yeah. Let's fold. Just like we've always done. This will get to the senate, be amended to absolutely nothing but sweet money for socialism, and everyone will be happy that the non-shutdown shutdown is finally over.
I'm sure Boehner and McConnell will be sighing with relief for dodging that bullet.
Fuck 'em all. Let it all burn.
Posted by: Soona at October 15, 2013 01:31 PM (3Mz5/)
Why not make a stand NOW, and try to staunch the bleeding?
It is the House after all, that has the power of the purse.
And that power is in Republican hands.
The GOP (Giant Obsequious Pussies) do not realize that they have leverage.
Posted by: Ian Galt at October 15, 2013 01:31 PM (QdOC1)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:31 PM (P3dws)
Bullshit...nice hopeful bullshit but bullshit.
We'll get single payer probably sponsored by McCain and Collins.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (9jfyN)
Nothing really matters at this point; so this was fun. Would do again just to see Boehner cry more.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (0q2P7)
well we do. any kind of a default immediately sends interest rates for our borrowing skyrocketing.
Which you might say would discourage future borrowing.
Well, yeah, and our currently borrowed sum would suddenly be much more expensive.
I'd rather pay more to service the debt than pay more to service Obama's supporters.
Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (9fmNh)
I personally like the "let it burn" approach. Elections have consequences. Cue up the "Don't fear the reaper" classic by Blue Oyster Cult, please...
Embrace the doom, baby.
Posted by: Aaron Burr at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (uvVb6)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (EPcGF)
The US federal government. It was before Obamacare was added, now the end has been dramatically hastened. You can't run a government on money printed out of thin air forever without consequence.
Posted by: Methos at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: H Badger at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (P3dws)
What do you think Obama will demand to accept Boehner's surrender?
Posted by: Thatch at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (qYvEa)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Dr. Todd Ambrosius at October 15, 2013 01:33 PM (Jzrec)
Posted by: Merovign , Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 15, 2013 01:34 PM (qyfb5)
Kick. The. Fucking. Can. Down. The. Road........
Budget impasses and defaults cured when they get together and share fairy dust, unicorn antler dust and waive the fucking magic wand up our asses for the billionth time. Thanks GOP
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 15, 2013 01:34 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at October 15, 2013 01:34 PM (EPcGF)
Posted by: dogfish at October 15, 2013 01:34 PM (nsOJa)
Nah we're gonna beat free shit with "cuts ahoy" without actually making the argument for you know freer markets or removing regulatory fiat....
then and only once we have 73 US Senators the House the White House and the SCotUS with "rock solid Fi-Con So-Lib rockstars" will we fight...
you know in 1400 fucking years.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:35 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 01:35 PM (bmp0d)
This was just the first battle not the war.
Retreat was inevitable. But we do need some plan that we can all agree on.
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 01:35 PM (DAcBA)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at October 15, 2013 01:35 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 01:35 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2013 01:35 PM (a4Omg)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:36 PM (P3dws)
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2013 01:36 PM (lUXJH)
Posted by: DanInMN at October 15, 2013 01:36 PM (XqeyF)
Posted by: Merovign , Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 15, 2013 01:36 PM (qyfb5)
They are not RiNOs...I was I guess....
rather than "soil their brand" I quit.
Next trip home I am registering independent.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:36 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Defeatist at October 15, 2013 01:36 PM (ygAxO)
They wanted "free healthcare" they can have it...
Agreed. And that is where people don't get the let it burn attitude.
Let. It. Burn.
Stand out of the way & quit trying to delude yourself that you can keep it from burning.
Mr. Math doesn't give a shit what you want.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2013 05:36 PM (lUXJH)
Fire is definitely a purifier
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 15, 2013 01:37 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 15, 2013 01:37 PM (3Znbm)
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 05:35 PM (bmp0d)
Ditto. That's the one fucking thing that I was SURE would prevail, but alas, I'm still not stoned enough to understand how these fucking people think.
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at October 15, 2013 01:37 PM (0duDc)
"We will bury you." -- Khrushchev, "a Good Antistalinist Communist"
The actual quote was, "We will Barry you."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2013 01:37 PM (0HooB)
well we do. any kind of a default immediately sends interest rates for our borrowing skyrocketing.
Which you might say would discourage future borrowing.
Well, yeah, and our currently borrowed sum would suddenly be much more expensive.
Posted by: ace at October 15, 2013 05:28 PM (/IWYB)
That's a good thing as it immediately punishes government for its bloat and those who enabled it to get to this point.
It's also inevitable. We can default on $17trillion now or $20 a couple years from now or $25 around the next presidential election. We won't make it to the next doubling.
Posted by: Methos at October 15, 2013 01:37 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Free Shit Army[/i] at October 15, 2013 01:37 PM (U2UQk)
All I got for 8 years of Dubya was called a Nazi, this T-shirt and 4.95 trillion in debt
When did I ever get "represented?"
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:37 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 01:38 PM (kfSXj)
Oh there you go again. It's all about the party good. The party the party the party. I'm filtering all of my dollars through either Freedom Works or Senate Conservatives Fund anyway. I really don't care at this point. I have embraced the irrational player within.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 15, 2013 01:38 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:38 PM (P3dws)
Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2013 01:38 PM (9XBK2)
Think about that. Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot
You're wrong. When the Kossaks are reduced to hunting down heretics, the Dems aren't winning the long game, they're getting hammered now. Plus, we have Megyn Kelly, they have Maddow.
Posted by: mrp at October 15, 2013 01:38 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 15, 2013 05:31 PM (Qy3YA)
There is no shame in fighting and losing. However, it is important to fight. Many battles have been won when reinforcements came to the aid of an overmatched force. But reinforcements will never help post-surrender.
I think the fight, even if we have lost this time, has had a few beneficial effects:
1) It has helped hinder Obamacare from being normalized.
2) It has produced a few moments that have made the administration look extremely petty. Even my liberal friends were saying how ridiculous it was that Obama had closed the national mall.
3) It showed who in the Republican party needs to go.
Posted by: boone at October 15, 2013 01:39 PM (3p8HS)
@robertcostaNRO How a Tea Party member explains R dislike for medical device: "The Dem folks who'd maybe be with us on delay or repeal wld have less carrot"
Could this member please explain why they backed the repeal of the CLASS Act, then?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 15, 2013 01:39 PM (YjDyJ)
And this intra-tent vitriol was why the Dems wanted this shutdown fight.
...and John McCain and Lindsey Graham visiting the White House a week or two before this battle had nothing to do with that. Nothing at all.
Did Judas have a gay, southern lover too?
Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 01:39 PM (9fmNh)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:39 PM (P3dws)
We lost this battle when Romney lost.
We don't have another chance to win until 2014. Anything that hurts our chances to take back the Senate in 2014, helps Obamacare.
We need team work here. I know it is hard for free thinking people to actually compromise on anything, but unless you want to spend your life as a lonely voice in the wilderness, instead of securing the future of our grandchildren you are going to have to work with Republicans you don't like!!!
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 01:39 PM (DAcBA)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 15, 2013 01:39 PM (aDwsi)
Because the only other explanation for his alleged strategy, aside from self-aggrandizement and setting himself up as the Conservative Savior for 2016, is that he thought his cockamamie plan would work as it stood on the table, which would make him a moron.
Ted Cruz is many things, but he is not a moron.
Posted by: Lou at October 15, 2013 01:40 PM (VrJUC)
Stick with ONE simple theme and repeat it relentlessly.
"As the president keeps reminding us, 'he won.' As much as we understand how devastating it will be to America, we cannot stop Obamacare. But we will not allow this president to shield his supporters from the effects the law his party rammed through on a completely partisan vote without even reading it."
" There will be NO EXCEPTIONS to this law. Americans will be free to assess it and make their decision on how to go forward in 2014."
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 01:40 PM (bmp0d)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 15, 2013 01:40 PM (uf1pv)
Posted by: Jean at October 15, 2013 01:40 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 01:40 PM (kfSXj)
Nice to see you here!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2013 01:40 PM (/kU/5)
>>>
The only expectation I have, by the way, is that the party in power in the House will represent the people who put them there. Anything less is unacceptable. At least drop some kind of marker, for the love of Pete, that's worth defending!
Posted by: Dr. Todd Ambrosius at October 15, 2013 05:33 PM (Jzrec)
I think you're gonna have a hard time arguing The People want the shutdown to continue when not a single opinion poll has shown that.
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2013 01:40 PM (JM48I)
Oh, you mean the default that never happened and Republican leadership promised would never happen? Yeah, I totally see that speculative counter-factual swaying the 63% of the people who think Obama sucks and 95% of people who think Congress sucks and 61% of the people who think the federal government has lost the consent of the governed into signing back up for Round 3 of the Great Democratic Crazy-fest of the 2010s.
The biggest past-time among liberals right now is denouncing one another as traitors for daring to suggest that the doubling and tripling of their insurance premiums is a bad thing. Honest liberals now are quietly admitting this is a failed presidency. This will get WAY worse. Wait till the IRS gets involved and people start getting harassed for having not signed up for Obamacare yet. Wait until the new recession kicks in and the next foreign policy crisis is bungled.
And the Democrats own all of it.
But surely, the best thing conservatives can do now is abandon the only opposition party in a fit of pique because they didn't get their structurally meaningless spending cuts or some other sort of catharsis. Throw down your gloves and go home because you didn't get what you wanted right away and you can't see past a two year time-line.
Posted by: dawnfire82 at October 15, 2013 01:41 PM (1/hzQ)
The fed will monetize the debt down to a reasonable yield and therefore interest level. They've been doing it for months already. Do you really think the yield on a 20 yr treasury (out past our total and utter inability to control social spending) is 3.5% naturally according to real market forces? It's fake now it can continue to be fake until the powers that be decide to f*ck with it. It's not a credible risk and never was. If it was, it would have already happened.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 15, 2013 01:42 PM (0q2P7)
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Who's this "we" and what's with the loser talk?
Not to be harsh or anything but:
Winners make their own breaks, losers hope things break their way.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 15, 2013 01:42 PM (VjL9S)
No need to vote for D's.
Just don't show up.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 15, 2013 01:42 PM (6CXX3)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 15, 2013 01:42 PM (9+ccr)
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No actually. I don't.
Posted by: mama winger at October 15, 2013 01:42 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 05:39 PM (DAcBA)
Bull fucking shit! When do the rinos work with us? Fucking never!!! Are you Gabe's mom or that screw ball from the presser today?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 15, 2013 01:42 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Spypeach at October 15, 2013 01:42 PM (10H0T)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 15, 2013 01:42 PM (vd7A8)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:43 PM (P3dws)
And the Democrats own all of it.
The Democrats won't own any of it. They will be absolved of all responsibility by their partners in the media.
Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 01:43 PM (9fmNh)
Posted by: Thulsa Choom at October 15, 2013 01:43 PM (dvRYt)
The GOP sucks at messaging because they have NO MESSAGE to begin with.
OR, their message is we can be Uncle Sugar too!
Dayanu.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
If the GOP had done a better job in the 2008 Congressional election, it would have been enough for us. If the GOP had..., ah, F it. F the Republicans.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 15, 2013 01:43 PM (5VGmi)
Posted by: Lou at October 15, 2013 05:30 PM (VrJUC)"
What we really need are pragmatist Republicans like Arlen Specter, who will hold the line against government overreach by Democrats.
Posted by: boone at October 15, 2013 01:43 PM (3p8HS)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 15, 2013 01:43 PM (U2UQk)
Yeah I don't understand why the conservatives are pissed off when we got "radical right wingers" that lost in 2008 and 2012...
you know what I am gonna enjoy watching the RINOs get assfucked.
I quit.
I'm done. My only political efforts now are going to be destroying the McCain gang by whatever political means are necessary. I will donate to every McCain gang primary challenger, then if they hold the nomination I will donate to and if legally able vote for the Democrat.
The assholes who think you can really be 62.5% pregnant are headed for the bonfire.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:44 PM (9jfyN)
Honey, I won't be home early tonight as it's my turn to receive the big one from the democrats. I've assumed the position, and it's only a matter of time before they ram it balls deep.
Posted by: Eric Cantor at October 15, 2013 01:44 PM (pJF+c)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:44 PM (P3dws)
Everyone is kicking the can down the road.
Republicans, Democrats, everyone. Same thing world wide. The US, EU, China, South America, Japan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, everyone. EVERYONE knows the crash is coming.
They are ALL hoping that they themselves do not trigger the crash. They are all hoping someone else does. They can blame someone else. They will be "forced" to do what they do because of the crisis. It will not be their fault. Everyone is hoping the other guy blinks first. they do not want to be the match that starts the fire. They think they are smart enough, and have enough power to control it when things fall apart. Because scared people will look to them for safety, and give them all their rights in exchange for that safety.
There is no LET, It will burn whether we want it to or not. And it will burn world wide.
Posted by: rd at October 15, 2013 01:44 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 01:44 PM (l5zzX)
Posted by: Fen at October 15, 2013 01:44 PM (a422o)
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 05:36 PM (9jfyN)
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Nope. I'm staying repub. I want the chance to still get that mail begging me to send them money. I'm buying a red Sharpie and writing on every one of them, "FUCK OFF".
Posted by: Soona at October 15, 2013 01:44 PM (3Mz5/)
Posted by: Aaron Burr at October 15, 2013 01:44 PM (uvVb6)
Ah yes, Matt Kibbe's personal Publishers Clearinghouse and the second-most useless PAC in 2012.
You know what I love? That the Senate Conservatives Fund is doing jack-all for Steve Lonegan right now, even though he's somewhere to the right of Pat Buchanan. Your money's going to be spent effectively, though.
Posted by: Lou at October 15, 2013 01:45 PM (VrJUC)
Posted by: ace at October 15, 2013 01:45 PM (/IWYB)
I personally think it's folding time. We didn't get the breaks needed to win anything here.
I think it's going to be folding time. The left wins, the House is neutered. Which is odd considering the Constitution put the power of purse in it's hands....but I suppose 'Brick Wall' Boehner has been getting lots of nasty tweets from people that wouldn't have voted for him anyway.
This of course means, as Ace pointed out, that our servants, and their employees are out masters. Unions will get their exemptions and subsidies. Everyone else, (not friended by Obama on FB), get screwed.
A lot of the blame falls on McShitty, and his pals, who wasted no time in attacking other Republicans, instead of swallowing their inflated prides, and fighting for their constituents.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 15, 2013 01:45 PM (sCynV)
No sir prior to McCain's latest antics I may have agreed.
No straight ticket D so long as he is the "leader" of the GOP.
Flush twice for McCain
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:45 PM (9jfyN)
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yeah, because the GOP was riding and all-time fucking high after the charm campaign of McCain and Romney won the Presidency, right?
Fuck that noise.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 15, 2013 01:45 PM (VjL9S)
Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2013 01:45 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Marcus at October 15, 2013 01:46 PM (vzJ7m)
@ChadPergram GOP Whip ops tells R offices "If your boss has any concerns & plans to vote no it is imperative that you contact the Whip Office immediately
@robertcostaNRO Member emails: "I don't think vote is happening tonight"
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 15, 2013 01:46 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 01:46 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Aaron Burr at October 15, 2013 01:46 PM (uvVb6)
I would but I donated too much and I am getting tired of the spam.
I really do not want to wind up voting democrat, so it is best if I hear as little from the McCain sucking RNC as possible.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:46 PM (9jfyN)
I write:
NO AMNESTY!
NO MORE DEBT!
FIGHT!
And then send it back in their post-paid envelope.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2013 01:46 PM (/kU/5)
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Sounds suspiciously like no deal.
Posted by: mama winger at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (P3dws)
Posted by: Buzzion at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (EGTSO)
Posted by: Joey "Two-Blasts" Biden at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (gfGOZ)
Posted by: ace at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (/IWYB)
We need team work here. I know it is hard for free thinking people to actually compromise on anything, but unless you want to spend your life as a lonely voice in the wilderness, instead of securing the future of our grandchildren you are going to have to work with Republicans you don't like!!!
Nope. We've supported establishment GOP candidates for a while now, and all it's gotten us is 17% real unemployment, real inflation of 20%, the clusterfuck of 404Care and an anemic GDP of around 2% total.
I am through working with spineless Pubbies. I want to take over the GOP by installing Tea Party candidates who'll actually do what they say. I will not compromise one iota, since the Dims certainly don't.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (0HooB)
This whole boondoggle was a long game. The odds of success were always pretty low. But it is and remains important to put up more than a cursory swipe at O-care. And it remains important to force Republicans to fight beyond their comfort level.
From the San Jose Mercury News...
""I was laughing at Boehner -- until the mail came today," Waschura said...
"I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family's pocket each year,"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Fritz at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (UJPkX)
112 Remember: this will all be forgotten by next year. Don't forget that.
You spelled the word "week" wrong. It doesn't even have a y in it.
Posted by: Jollyroger at October 15, 2013 01:47 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 15, 2013 01:48 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Aaron Burr at October 15, 2013 01:48 PM (uvVb6)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 15, 2013 01:48 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: dawnfire82 at October 15, 2013 05:41 PM (1/hzQ)
I fucking cannot WAIT to hear so much as a mouse fart from them about my refusal to participate. If my fucking leaders won't stand up for me, I'll do it myself.
I have no home to lose, no discernible assets to be confiscated. Only my fat, white, pimpled ass to toss in the hoosegow, and trust me when I tell you, I wasn't always the cheerful scamp I am now. Prison hasn't scared me for a very long time.
And an aside, I'm getting fucking sick and fucking tired of being bombarded by this bullshit about "park rangers escorting visitors out," and not a single fucking person has the fucking stones to stand there and say "blow me?"
Reason #365 why Chicago Sucks: No nearby national monuments.
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at October 15, 2013 01:48 PM (0duDc)
They've also made Charlie Rangel a multimillionaire with ruling power over white folks, so why would he give a shit?
Posted by: Who's Barry Badrinath? at October 15, 2013 01:48 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 15, 2013 01:48 PM (dvRYt)
I have things to live for and people I care about so, you know, I'm not keen on joining a suicidal charge of the "let it burn" brigade.
And neither are about 97% of the American people.
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Psst!
Over here!
Got news for ya' buddy: The fucking house is already on fire.
But keep standing in the kitchen holding the sink sprayer while the FSA loots everything not bolted down and scrambles out the door.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 15, 2013 01:49 PM (VjL9S)
@ChadPergram Rules Cmte Sessions says he hopes to give mbrs time to discuss bill.
That either means more informal listening sessions or a special Conference meeting.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 15, 2013 01:49 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 15, 2013 01:49 PM (QTKGF)
Posted by: ace at October 15, 2013 05:47 PM (/IWYB)
Talk to me, and I'll talk to you.
Call me a fucking extremist, racist terrorist, and I'll knock your fucking dick in the dirt, every time.
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at October 15, 2013 01:50 PM (0duDc)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:50 PM (P3dws)
I'd switch to the Libertarian Party, but their foreign policy is worse than Obama's, and their Immigration Policy is essentially the same as Obama's wildest wet dreams (the ones with Reggie).
Posted by: OCBill at October 15, 2013 01:50 PM (rFipM)
And this intra-tent vitriol was why the Dems wanted this shutdown fight.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
Agree with your take but the disagreement over tactics is hot because it's really a disagreement over strategy and purpose.
The Go Along/Win it Next Year crew doesn't want to get into any fights so that they can win elections. The Fight Now/Fight Forever crew wants markers placed on everything in sight so they can make the purpose of the party known.
Problems with both line of thinking; Go Along's ultimate goal is winning elections. Period. If they win they're no more likely to end Obamacare than they were to reform a number of things during Bush.
Fight Now wants the GOP to win battles it hasn't prepared for primarily because the machinery of the GOP vintage 1990's. Not the Fight Now's doing but you can't tell troops to run to a firefight with slingshots and expect a lot of volunteers.
If Go Along doesn't put down some markers, they have no credible narrative for the election. If Fight Now can't get the machinery of the GOP updated and re-organized, all of the battles ahead are only so many loses to be had.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 15, 2013 01:50 PM (Qy3YA)
I have my "don't give a shit anymore" face on.
If this crew has an answer, it must have been a stupid question.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 01:50 PM (l5zzX)
See Mike I know the asshole snake is an asshole snake and if anything I have a wary respect that the media and nanny Botox combined to empower their radical caucus to get what they wanted....
I hate the McCain gang more than the opfor....
the opfor's job is to fuck me...
the McCain gang is my "aha" "wingman"
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:50 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: ace at October 15, 2013 05:47 PM (/IWYB)
Sure, when the discussion has some possibility of changing the direction our party is taking.
But when caving is a foregone conclusion, yelling and screaming "GO TEAM GO!" seems like the thing to do.
I know that the Republican hierarchy fought more than I expected, but in the end I also expect them to fold.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2013 01:51 PM (/kU/5)
I think Ted Cruz was very brave. And so was Mike Lee... and they were sent to Congress to do what they did. But it was never going to do anymore than make headlines.
Republicans didn't cave anymore than they had to. We don't run the government. We are the minority. You can't ever get what you want if you are the minority.
Republicans talk about math. Well the "math" says that if we keep fighting other Republicans instead of the Democrats we will never get our country back.
It's math! Do it.
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 01:51 PM (DAcBA)
They're very influential. They've convinced me to look out for myself because the GOP certainly won't.
How many others have gone from R to I thanks to those guys?
Good work boys, I hope you have better luck convincing enough of Meggie Mac's friends to consider maybe hearing what the GOP has to offer them to cover your losses
Posted by: kbdabear at October 15, 2013 01:51 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 15, 2013 01:51 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 15, 2013 01:51 PM (U2UQk)
I wish Speaker Boehner would just send over a new bill to the Senate that reads "Fuck You!" and go home to Ohio. Also, he could tweet Harry a link to the Youtube version of "Don't fear the Reaper." That would be some sweet legislatin'...
Posted by: Aaron Burr at October 15, 2013 01:51 PM (uvVb6)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:52 PM (P3dws)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2013 01:52 PM (a4Omg)
No. He's an attorney in DC. He, like me, knows people who are staffers. (Everybody in this area knows somebody who works on the Hill, it's not exactly a big deal or anything.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 01:52 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 15, 2013 01:52 PM (vd7A8)
Posted by: mama winger at October 15, 2013 01:52 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:53 PM (P3dws)
We don't have another chance to win until 2014. Anything that hurts our chances to take back the Senate in 2014, helps Obamacare.
Who is this "our?" Do you really think, after watching the Senate this time around, that if the Republicans pick up 8 seats in the Senate and keep the House, that the Senate will have any will to repeal or defund Obamacare?
Posted by: boone at October 15, 2013 01:53 PM (3p8HS)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2013 01:53 PM (a4Omg)
No, no he's not. The closest poll has Booker ahead of him by ten points with 53% of the vote.
It will be closer than the pundits initially predicted, I think, which is victory enough in itself. But I'll happily eat my shoe if Lonegan is within 5% of Booker when the votes are counted. And I'll do a naked tap-dance in front of the White House gates if he wins.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 01:54 PM (n/+FT)
Haven't y'all noticed? Conservative political thought is being marginalized. By nature of being conservatives, we are wrong in the eyes of the people who (a) teach our children, (b) write our laws, and (c) bring us our news and entertainment. Subtly, our views are becoming socially unacceptable.
I would challenge anyone who thinks we could have won to answer three questions:
(a) who is "we"? If by "we" you mean the Republican Party, well, that ain't "we", because as we've all seen, the GOP is just as deaf as the Democratic party to the will of the people.
(b) what's winning? Were they really gonna get Harry Reid and Barack Obama to admit they were wrong about Obamacare? Were we going to get folks on MSNBC sitting up and saying "hmm, maybe Ted Cruz is right... are we out of touch?"
(c) Honestly now, when was the last time we saw anyone fight for and attain a conservative goal? Reagan was 30 years ago, and even he didn't do so much (if you want to argue that, look at FDR. 70 years later and we're still saddled with the New Deal. LBJ - 50 years later and the Great Society still reigns. Now tell me what giant paradigmatic shift occurred in the 1980s that has lasted to today. Something the LIVs would know, not something subtle.) Go beyond Reagan. See if you can find a real conservative beside him in the last 100 years.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm tired and heartsick. Oh hell, I'm ALWAYS tired and heartsick lately... but sorry for the rant anyway.
Posted by: WolfinNC at October 15, 2013 01:54 PM (Vvg+J)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 15, 2013 01:54 PM (KL49F)
"The Democrats won't own any of it. They will be absolved of all responsibility by their partners in the media."
Is there some sort of reality vortex here? "We'll never win because teh MeDiA!1! Damn those Republicans for not winning!"
But seriously, I would LOVE to hear how Obamacare, which was infamously rammed through on a party-line vote, which Republicans have campaigned against for two cycles, which got a Republican Senator elected in fucking Massachusetts, which a very public shutdown fight centered upon, which spectacularly failed to launch in such a way that even Gibbs and Kelin are talking about what an embarrassment it is, is somehow going to be hung around Republicans' necks.
Really. I want to hear this.
Posted by: dawnfire82 at October 15, 2013 01:54 PM (1/hzQ)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 15, 2013 01:54 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 15, 2013 01:54 PM (5kRy2)
Posted by: exdem13 at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (kfSXj)
No he isn't. He's much closer than he was, and this is a special election held on a Wednesday, so anything could happen, but this isn't a margin-of-error race.
The only source I've seen to back that up is an internal poll shown to a National Review reporter by Lonegan's campaign, which means absolutely nothing. Booker's ahead by 10 in the most recent public polling.
Posted by: Lou at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (VrJUC)
Posted by: BuckIV at October 15, 2013 05:14 PM
Haven't you heard? We NEED Miss Lindsey, Grrr McCain, and Boner to beg for the scraps, or we won't get any scraps at all.
According to some, without them we'll never get a majority who'll surrender every time the MSM accuses them of setting kittens on fire because they only wanted to spend 5 percent more than 10 percent more
Posted by: kbdabear at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (ZPrif)
You'll notice I said the GOP will need [pb]73 US Senators?
Yeah there's a reason for that bud...
even when we had 53 Senators we did not control the Senate...
the next Gangbang of insert number here....
I'm hiring a Canadian immigration lawyer
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (a4Omg)
Posted by: Dan at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (m3gf3)
>>It's also inevitable. We can default on $17trillion now or $20 a couple years from now or $25 around the next presidential election. We won't make it to the next doubling.
.
.No we won't. And the next doubling is going to come way faster than the last one.
Posted by: Registered Voter at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (AHX9J)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 01:55 PM (P3dws)
Posted by: traye at October 15, 2013 01:56 PM (MHsQt)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 01:56 PM (i2t2+)
Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2013 01:56 PM (9XBK2)
Oh I am talking. I think our position is untenable, and the secondary objective has been achieved. So long as Boehner rogers up that he was a shithead for throwing the cards early, and agrees to fight, not when he wants, but when we need him to, I've got no problem packing it in at this point. If there is still a "We were always gonna lose so we shouldn't have done it in the first place" going on at the party line level. Then lesson clearly not learned, let the flogging continue.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at October 15, 2013 01:56 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 15, 2013 01:56 PM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 15, 2013 01:56 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at October 15, 2013 01:56 PM (5kRy2)
Precisely Donna....
precisely...the donkey says the GOP will never raise taxes?
Oh ho ho I am a changed man....
Peition Boehner to repeal the Horrywood taxcuts tomorrow...
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:56 PM (9jfyN)
@ChadPergram I am told that Heritage Action asking for a no vote is what blew up House Rules tonight. Not a good sign for House GOP plan.
@robertcostaNRO Staffer who's familiar w/ internal GOP whip count: "They know that it is f*****d."
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 15, 2013 01:57 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 15, 2013 01:57 PM (vd7A8)
Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2013 01:57 PM (9XBK2)
If Obama wants to force Senate action, send Biden over to take control of parliamentary procedure as Senate president and force votes. That's the one unique power a VP has that the president does NOT. The VP can wrest procedural control of Senate business away from obstructionists and force floor votes.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 01:57 PM (l5zzX)
Here's an article from Breitbart about how there are more conservatives today than in 1964:
http://tinyurl.com/m5yq6zm
We need to crack down on voter fraud and repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 15, 2013 01:57 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: Buzzion at October 15, 2013 01:57 PM (EGTSO)
The "super secret plan" is sooner or laterat this rate it is burning....
better the implosion happen while there are still non Bill Ayers NEA taught civics minds extant.
Thanks for playing
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 01:58 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 15, 2013 01:58 PM (a6O1A)
Scott Walker, 2011. No, wait, Mitch Daniels, 2012.
Posted by: Who's Barry Badrinath? at October 15, 2013 01:58 PM (/kI1Q)
@291
Hire a Mexican immigration lawyer. Weather is better, cost of living is lower, and although its just a tad more socialist as Canada, there's no law a well placed bribe can't get you around. Plus, senoritas.
Posted by: Jollyroger at October 15, 2013 01:58 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at October 15, 2013 01:58 PM (Y92Nd)
You can always count on Heritage to be a bunch of c**ts about this. I herad on the radio that they said they would negatively score any vote to reopen the government or raise the debt ceiling without the full repeal or defunding of Obamacare. Think about that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 15, 2013 01:58 PM (n/+FT)
Posted by: chris matthews' liver at October 15, 2013 01:59 PM (eJvk4)
True, but it's also true that after Iraq even the most hawkish R isn't going to be eager to do even the slightest bit of intervention abroad for quite a while, i think it's long overdue to start voting for l's and at least see what they'll do on the domestic front if elected.
Posted by: booger at October 15, 2013 01:59 PM (xRDdL)
Posted by: Merovign , Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (i2t2+)
I mean I don't understand conservative oppo to the repeal of the med device tax; I've seen it on twitter and now Ace mentions it. Makes no sense to me. Cons are against tax hikes, aren't they?
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: chris matthews' liver at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (eJvk4)
We don't have another chance to win until 2014. Anything that hurts our chances to take back the Senate in 2014, helps Obamacare.
You know what would make life perfect? Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Committee Chairman John McCain.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (0HooB)
I like Canadian weather, I speak the language and Canada is trending rightward.
I can help maybe save what America was supposed to be.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Mama winger on that iPad thingies at October 15, 2013 02:00 PM (P6QsQ)
Yeah, feels that way. People don't believe their own eyes anymore. The average person puts more trust in an "expert" or "the government" than in their own judgment anymore. Look at those morons on the Daily Kos. A guy shares his experience that he's getting reamed, and they a) don't believe him, b) tell him he should like it because some expert told them it was good for them. Freedom to choose never entered into that conversation. Just "do what's good for you, and what's good for you is what we tell you".
Posted by: WolfinNC at October 15, 2013 02:01 PM (Vvg+J)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 15, 2013 02:01 PM (P3dws)
to the point at times of stupidity....
want to know how the IT biz basically bought Ogabe a win?
GOP tax policy in the 90s.
No lie down with Donks get up with fleas and a sore butt.
No more freebie tax cuts.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 02:02 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: boone at October 15, 2013 02:02 PM (3p8HS)
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 05:51 PM (DAcBA)
Yeah, I've done the math Gabe's mom. The rinos who consistently vote Dem or side with TFG outnumber the conservatives. When was the last time Mc Cain or Graham actually supported a conservative? NEVER. Get off my lawn.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 15, 2013 02:02 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Aaron Burr at October 15, 2013 02:02 PM (uvVb6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 15, 2013 02:03 PM (aDwsi)
Nope.
I've posted at length on it.
I have argued my whole life for Locke, Smith, and Hayek.
As thanks the GOP "moderates" have added their voice to the borderline communists ruining my nation.
We have spent in the last 13 years as much wealth as the prior 200+ to less gain.
I quit, let it burn.
I look forward to watching history unfold.
I cried for two days when the Berlin Wall fell.
My mom's side had cousins split by that wall.
I understand now we let the communard virus into the west when it crumbled.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 02:04 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 15, 2013 02:05 PM (v6YdM)
Sorry Mike I tried it that way for ~25 years....
time to go to plan B
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 02:05 PM (9jfyN)
Heritage Action is still pretending that defunding will happen. In my opinion, the House Rs still have the opportunity to delay the individual mandate and win some other concessions but not if they keep being fickle and claiming that they are incapable of winning certain messaging battles.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 15, 2013 02:05 PM (YjDyJ)
Tea Party: "Raise that fucker up."
Establishment GOP: "Raise? Are you crazy? We're not holding shit! 8-4 off suit.
Tea Party: "God what a dumbass you are."
Establishment GOP: "Okay, well goddamnit if you're gonna make us raise with nothing, fuck it. Raise."
Obama: "Uhhhh.... reraise."
Establishment GOP: "See?!! We told you we couldn't win!! Hope you learned your lessonm, you loons."
Posted by: Warden at October 15, 2013 02:05 PM (bmp0d)
Republicans talk about math. Well the "math" says that if we keep fighting other Republicans instead of the Democrats we will never get our country back.
A few million Republican Voters who failed to show up for Romney might disagree with you.
This fight is just a part of what we need to get the old guard out of the Republican party.
I'd still like Ace to go and listen to Mark Levin explain how the notion of Default is a complete red herring.
Posted by: garrett at October 15, 2013 02:06 PM (xn2mZ)
Perhaps there are more conservatives than ever, but you'd never know it. We don't talk in public, we don't advocate like progressives, and we lie back and take it.
So maybe there are many people who consider themselves "conservative" but that can mean any kind of thought from "our government is becoming tyrannical" to "I support fiscal conservatism, but not social conservatism" which is just code for a moderate squish.
Posted by: WolfinNC at October 15, 2013 02:06 PM (Vvg+J)
It's tedious. Can people just fucking TALK?
I thought you were taking a well deserved vacation this week?
And yes, lets talk. No Rah Rah.
For the last X years, I've watched this country gradually collapse in on itself. For the first time in my life, the government has mandated that I purchase a service for which I might have no need, or that I might not want, (a service they magically find perks, exemptions, and subsidies for themselves), and the SC upheld that law. In order to even be an American citizen now, I have to play ball, or pay a fine/tax.
There's a lot of scorn heaped on Cruz, because he's kicking off his presumed/assumed/suspected '16 presidential campaign. So? Would another McCain, or Romney suit us better? Would another of either of those two stand a better chance at taking the WH in '16? Would another cut from the same cloth rally conservatives, and convince them to get up off their asses, and vote?
I have had enough of the Mr. Politeness Guy candidates, and representatives that grudgingly fight, until the water gets to hot. I want a fucking mongrel mutt that is not afraid to mix it up in a dark alley. For a few days, Republicans pretended to fight. It's not enough. If it's worth fighting for, it's worth going to the mat for, and worth risking political careers for.
Cruz, at the very least, put his political career on the line.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 15, 2013 02:06 PM (sCynV)
"uh no"
Heat was aimed through you at Petunia Malor
Posted by: sven10077 at October 15, 2013 02:07 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: mild cigar at October 15, 2013 02:08 PM (EGU2p)
The virus was already here. We just stopped trying to fight it.
Posted by: Who's Barry Badrinath? at October 15, 2013 02:09 PM (/kI1Q)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maAyfcO-X3k
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at October 15, 2013 02:10 PM (aTXUx)
My plan's working model is the collapse of the Soviet Union and a 20 year reformation period.
The country as we knew it is forever GONE, defunct, dead and has been for probably 15 years or more. The trajectory is ballistic ruled by cold equations of Newtonian physics, not men.
The faster people realize that, the faster the collapse and reformation will be over with.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 02:12 PM (l5zzX)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 15, 2013 02:13 PM (U2UQk)
Posted by: ManeiNeko at October 15, 2013 02:13 PM (TiE76)
ROFL, so true, so true.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 15, 2013 02:15 PM (l5zzX)
I've been around here a lot of years, lurked some, said too much, but this morning when Vic was talking about how his health insurance premiums are now double, it hit home just what a rat-infested pile of feces Lord Obama shat upon the American middle class.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 15, 2013 06:13 PM (U2UQk)
We sent men to the moon, and brought them back alive. Several times. NASA today couldn't put a fucking hamster in LEO. We used to do amazing things. Now we're Europe.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 15, 2013 02:22 PM (sCynV)
Cruz, at the very least, put his political career on the line.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 15, 2013 06:06 PM (sCynV)
Bravo.
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at October 15, 2013 02:29 PM (0duDc)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 15, 2013 02:31 PM (vd7A8)
My working model is Egypt in the Summer of 2013. We just need our General Al-Sisi. Let it burn.
Posted by: Aaron Burr at October 15, 2013 02:42 PM (uvVb6)
Posted by: Son of Liberty at October 15, 2013 02:57 PM (BPKIW)
Posted by: ManeiNeko at October 15, 2013 03:00 PM (TiE76)
Posted by: packsoldier at October 15, 2013 03:08 PM (L9/C8)
#360 does not even know enough to troll the active thread. And of course it can't help but inject the threats of violence the left is known for.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 15, 2013 03:23 PM (sCynV)
Doing math seems to be controversial... so that says that you have no intention of ever getting our freedom's back ever.
I don't know why I thought anyone here was serious.
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 03:32 PM (DAcBA)
Cruz did put his career on the line. So did Romney. But you aren't willing to fully support anyone who disagrees with you, that means you and me, because of you get nothing ever.
We will be slaves if you can't accept that everyone has good reasons for thinking the way they think. Yours is not the only way to do things, and in fact does not work any better than socialism works.
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 03:35 PM (DAcBA)
Posted by: packsoldier at October 15, 2013 03:36 PM (L9/C8)
To the Republican Establishment and Their Supporters - a Dear John Letter;
Here's the fucking deal. It's really not me ... it's you. I'm leaving this relationship - and by relationship I mean voting for Republicans as the Lesser of Two Evils - because of you.
Because I'm so sick and fucking tired of hearing "This ain't the fight - we'll get 'em next time." Next time never comes.
Because since Reagan - the Conservative You Never Wanted - you've gave me Bush the Elder (Big Government Guy), Bob Dole (Big Government Guy), Bush the Younger (Big Government Guy), John McCain (Big Government Guy), and Mitt Romney (Big Government Guy).
Because I'm sick of being called a "Wacko-Bird" and "Extremist" as a reward for giving you the 2010 Election.
So - in closing - please accept my cordial invitation to go fuck yourself. And remember one small thing ...
... as you're smugly congratulating yourself for running me off - look around. That House Majority - you wouldn't have it without me. The White House - you can't get it without me. All those Governorships - not without me.
To quote that Old Troubadour George Strait, "There ain't nothing in this house worth fighting over, and we're both tired of fightin' anyway ... so just give it away".
Posted by: ScoggDog at October 15, 2013 03:37 PM (6/+vz)
Posted by: ScoggDog at October 15, 2013 07:37 PM (6/+vz)
I bet that attitude keeps you pretty much alone.
My way or the highway is a good way to spend the night in your car.
Posted by: petunia at October 15, 2013 05:45 PM (DAcBA)
Judgment and Justice.
Posted by: ron n. at October 15, 2013 08:26 PM (c7HxG)
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