Granted, I haven't read exactly what the judge wrote, but isn't the question of whether evidence is sufficient a jury question?

It seems like the testimony of multiple people who commited the crimes along with Gosnell would be pretty good evidence.

Hey, if it's "not a baby", there can't be "a corpse", right?

*thinking like a liberal*

Posted by: Mindy at April 23, 2013 12:40 PM (wk9P4)

More like a Norwegian Death Metal band. Those Lutefisk eating Scandi's are sick.

Maybe the judge is thinking there are no records of the babies size themselves and therefore not enough information if the baby was a baby or a fetus and thats why. Liberal logic there, yes.

Still, it seems like the testimony would/should go to a jury. It seems like a question of fact.  

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2013 12:50 PM (piMMO)

Did the prosecutor not say this?  did it not occur to the prosecutor?

It will never cease to shock me that so many people can support this barbaric practice. If it's not a human, than what the hell is it?

It's a useless blob  of tissue, according to our  Betters in   the MFM  and  the Abortion Industry.

I recommend   that we    apply this   same logic to their vital organs. Useless blobs are useless blobs, right? You  don't really need that stomach, or that lung, or that brain, do you?

Beck alluded to it yesterday, and it's the first time I've heard him say it.  He said this country is headed for a split.

IMHO, it can't come soon enough.

Point of clarity, please.  The twitter statement says he was "acquitted."  That's not technically true, is it?  Dropping charges for lack of evidence does not mean anything regarding the rest of the case, and presumably if further evidence could be provided, the prosecution could retry on those charges...

...correct? 

I'm not a lawyer (no, really), so I'm just wanting someone who knows to clarify.  Thanks. 

He'll walk away a free man with a seven figure book deal.

Count on it.

LiB.

They can't prove the babies were alive when Gosnell severed their spines, eh?   So, what, he was just being EXTRA CAREFUL to make sure that they really were dead?      What a guy!

*spits on the lot of them!*

The fix is in, he's gonna walk.

Duh!  Why do you think we didn't bother covering this non-story?  Stupid wingers!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 23, 2013 12:53 PM (+z4pE)

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You don't think that there's someone on the Ocare death panels that aren't thinking this same thing?  Live organ transplants are coming.

My advice.  Don't get sick when you get old.

You don't suppose he will actually GET OFF???

Posted by: Janetoo at April 23, 2013 12:40 PM (IgUON)

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Nihilism is actually soothing once you fully embrace it, I find.

Son, we live in a world that has uteruses, and those uteruses have to be guarded by men with forceps. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for black fetuses, and you curse the Abortionists. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That a few mother's deaths, while tragic, probably saved some dude decades of child support payments. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves irresponsible people from a life without casual sex.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that vagina, you need me on that vagina. We use words like clump-of-cells, pro-choice, late-term. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent denying the truth of something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very reproductive freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a pair of scissors, and cut a few spinal cords. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

yet drill thru a mile of ice in the Antarctic to a hidden lake, find a few bacteria, and suddenly

"IT'S ALIVE! IT'S ALI-I-I-I-I-IVE!!!"

And we absolutely MUST spend a   metric  fuckton  of your tax money to make sure   that bacteria is protected! Because all   life is sacred.

*shakes head*   Outside of the Horde, are there any sane people left?

If collecting baby feet in jars is not an act of corpse abuse I am Princess Diana.

In this age of instant communication, blogs, Twitter, etc., we should not rush to judgment.  Those baby feet in jars may not even belong to the good doctor.  He might have been storing them for a friend, or they could have been left there by a former occupant of that clinic.  Honestly, you guys! 

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at April 23, 2013 01:00 PM (Sptt

Wife and I can't have kids, we'd take 3.

Try adopting in the USSA.  It's nearly impossible.  BUT an abortion is readily available on the taxpayers' dime.

It's unconscionable.

It never occurred to anyone to ask why you would want to do something as horrific as severing a spinal chord of a fetus/baby if it weren't alive?

I dunno. Maybe they figure they've got him for enough on the other stuff, and there's no point in chasing after so many charges. Maybe he'll only get 300 yrs in jail instead of 500, or be executed twice, instead of three times.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at April 23, 2013 12:57 PM (lpR33)

They don't even pretend that shit any more since the donks took that out of their platform last year as another sop to the Sandra Flukes and other whores they are now catering to.  It was always a load of shit starting when it came out of Slick's lying mouth; they just made it official.

The fix is in, he's gonna walk.

Community service. In an abortion mill.

Community organizer, elite cocktail party guest, then first black President! 

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 23, 2013 01:02 PM (+z4pE)

logic.  It kills liberal brain cells.

 corpse abuse

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Is that like when i do way too many crunches?

The evil bastard will probably get off and end up with a gig in the Obama administration.

Nothing. NOTHING. surprises/shocks me anymore.

Can you say "Surgeon General   Kermit Gosnell?"

I knew you could.

79 -

Ok, thanks.  I'm not sure  what to think of that, as a general rule.  I could see it being abused by prosecutors.

As for the three dropped charges, I suppose it's like if you were in a shootout, and seven people died.  You have witnesses that see you shooting 4 of them while they were standing, but the other three  you were seen shooting into their bodies as they lay on the ground.  Did you kill them?  Maybe, but there's not enough evidence that they weren't already dead.  Maybe they had a heart attack or something.

Yeah, it makes no sense, but  most of what lawyers do doesn't make sense to me. 

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 23, 2013 01:02 PM (8sCoq)

Stalin, I think

You're on the other side of the country. Those of us near or in Philadelphia know that a jury from that city is going to be more sympathetic to this so-called doctor then to a bunch of pictures of fully formed infants

Sad but true.  Basically comprised of the same people who made up the OJ jury.  The worst violence against Black people is committed by other black people.  Dr. Gosnell is proof of this.  Lefties call Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas self-loathing black men.  Gosnell truly is.

@101

My brother didn't seem to have much trouble adopting, but that was 20 years ago, and it was a bi-racial situation.  I have the impression that if you were a WHITE couple, even back then, that the waiting list was long. Then, as now, there's no shortage of unwed minority pregnant women.

When Kathleen Sebelius decides to retire, Barry will have a replacement ready. Kermit Gosnell, who shares Barry's and Mooch's views on baby murder

You say that like it's a bad thing!  We just don't want our daughter punished with a baby!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 23, 2013 01:06 PM (VtjlW)

I'm going to buy you some new stompy boots.  And some ice cream.  Because that's how I roll.

@97  Sven:  "There are simply no words for the gulf between the two sides anymore."

You really can't spell it out any clearer than that. 

There will be no putting Humpty dumpty back together again.  Ever.  When more people finally realize this fact, things will get much, much more interesting.

Posted by: Jaws at April 23, 2013 01:09 PM (4I3Uo)


Oh there's words:  Enemy and Friendly.  Pretty simple, actually.

If collecting baby feet in jars is not an act of corpse abuse I am Princess Diana.

But if     aborted   babies aren't HUMAN, then can their feet really be corpse feet?  Wouldn't they just be  "foot-shaped clumps of    post-differentiated tissue?"   

I hate these people.  I HATE them.   There is not a fire in Hell hot enough to burn away their profanity.   I am heartbroken that those three little babies will not     have justice done, and even MORE heartbroken that the only ones who will care are those of us right here, right now.  

God bless you, little children.  You are loved, and will always be loved.

It's unmanly to not actively protect children. And it's inhuman for a woman to allow her child to be killed.

That's where I'm at anymore. I refuse to let my non-uterus-ness-ism    be  a factor in my defense of the   defenseless. Every time I hear someone  try to defend a "womyn's   Right to Choose," I always ask, "What about the Child's Right to Live?   Did you think about that?"

Yes,  I'm   Pro-Life and a man. Deal with it.

If not alive, why sever their necks?

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We just jab our victims in the side with a spear to check if they are dead.

So we are already being told that the bombers did not have help but--

I don't think anyone really believes that, but nice attempt at protecting our Precedent at all costs.  I guess the forthcoming acts of terror committed against innocent Americans will all be the work of "lone wolves".  You better believe that the Boston Bombing, the Fort Hood Massacre, the Underwear Bomber, The Times Square bomber, the failed Portland Christmas bomber, the shooting at the recruitment center in Arkansas are just tips of the massive iceburg that is hurtling towards us.  We have been willfully blind to the coming threat, and it's going to only get worse.  Thank you mother effing 52%!

Posted by: baldilocks at April 23, 2013 01:02 PM (Su0W2)

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And don't think he isn't getting calls from Holder or Dear Leader's office.

Besides.  The Boston story swept  this trial  further under the rug.  Protect newborns?  When we can't protect leftist joggers in fashionable running togs? 

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2013 01:14 PM (piMMO)

... I HOPE they've been hacked!  

Posted by: tasker

they had help.  From Chechen terrorists.  DHS denied bomber number 1's  application for citizenship cause he beat his wife, not for suspected terrorism. 

FBI did not follow him further after the Russian's tip, because our government does not think the Chechens are Islamic terrorists, as per the State Department.

Oh, and Big Sis just lied to Congress.  again. 

sigh

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2013 01:14 PM (piMMO)

Yeah it's already suspended.

I've been saying it for a while, but twitter needs 2 factor for high profile accounts.

Besides. The Boston story swept this trial further under the rug. Protect newborns? When we can't protect leftist joggers in fashionable running togs?

Hey now!  Some of my best running friends and I are dyed in the wool conservatives!  Cast your ass-persions elsewhere!  Geez!

WHAT!!

my son is touring the capital today with on a school trip.  Is this a joke?

One asswipe can hang the jury and Philly went 108% for Obama. I think it will be a hung jury.

Ooh!  Where?!!!!

My personal fave was when the judge who got appointed to fill in for the judge that got hauled off the bench for bribery turned around and got hauled off the bench a week later for that whole drunk and beating his wife thing.

Sounds like the entire MA state legislature.

Amid new concerns about the brutality of illegal forms of abortions, President Obama plans to deliver the keynote address at Planned Parenthood Federation of AmericaÂ’s annual fundraising dinner Thursday.

The theme of the dinner, to be held in Washington, is a “Time for Care,” organizers announced. Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards said Mr. Obama has done more than any president in history for women’s health and rights so she is delighted to have him help promote the gala dinner with his presence.

Just when you think you  can't hate TFG more.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2013 01:14 PM (piMMO)

Maybe; I just ran a search for "explosions in white house" and got nothing

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2013 01:09 PM (piMMO)

Gosnell enjoyed his work. Robert Ressler, the pioneer FBI profiler, interviewed dozens of imprisoned serial killers, including the likes of Kemper, Gacy, and Berkowitz. As a result of his research, Ressler came to dislike the term 'serial killer', feeling that the term was inaccurate, even a misnomer. He preferred the terms 'sexual sadist' or 'sexual murderer' since, in every instance Ressler encountered, the men we call serial killers achieve sexual gratification through the act of murder--and that includes David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam .44 killer, who confided to Ressler that he made up all of that batshit crazy 'Son of Sam' nonsense beforehand so that he could go for an insanity defense if he was eventually caught.

So yeah, Gosnell gets off on murder. Those feet were trophies. So did Dr. Jack Kevorkian, who admitted to feeling a thrill when he watched the lights go out in his 'patient's' eyes.

My question to the judge. What was the ethnicity of the murdered babies that you dismissed the charges?

Yeah, a white hispanic kills a black teenaged thug in self-defense and the lefties go moonbat nutz.  A black "doctor" kills hundreds, possibly thousands of black babies, and shut up!

90 MP4,

There is ever a civil war in this nation I aim to clean up a lot of things I don't consider "living" anymore.

There are simply no words for the gulf between the two sides anymore.

They hate my inanimate object and destroy babies.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 23, 2013 01:02 PM (LRFds)

If there ever is a civil war, Sven, I don't expect to survive unless I can make it to a safe state.  But I pray that I at least be granted the satisfaction of seeing a host of our "betters" in government and media swinging from lampposts before I die.

A "persuasive precedent," not the regular kind.

Some future courts' and juries' knowledge of a guilty verdict on those charges might have freed them (psychologically more than legally) to make similar findings, and that could snowball. Roe wouldn't be threatened, but every specific instance of somebody getting away with murdering Loser babies by claiming it's a Roe-covered medical procedure could be.

And that's not allowed.

Must kill the babies.

"I feel that way too. I'm never going to agree with "them" on just about anything. I'm not backing down and evidently even with reason, (n)either are they."

Yep.  But the difference is that "them" has no compunctions about using  "democracy" to force you at taxpayer-funded gunpoint to  do whatever it is  they insist you do.    That is not a two way street no matter how "them" tortures logic to say it is.  What are you - hell, what are we going to do when all legal recourse is gone?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 23, 2013 01:17 PM (LRFds)

Sven, I say this with respect from another moron:

A lot of your posts are semi-cryptic bordering on almost undecipherable sometimes, and could be more coherent if you took the time to write in a way that's more easily understood.  Stop with the one-liner stream of consciousness stuff and start with the coherent sentence structure.

Again, I say this with all due respect.

This is absolutely normal, people.   The state put on its case.   Each count has to have evidence supporting each element of each crime.   They prosecute multiple crimes precisely because, when the evidence comes in, it might or might not end up being sufficient on some of the elements of some of the charges.   Gosnell still has five murder raps against him that are going to go to the jury that's heard all of these horrors.   He's not going to walk.  

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2013 01:16 PM (piMMO)

I don't want anyone to hurt a hair on his salt and pepper skull.   No way I want that son of a whoring   bitch to become some kind of leftwing martyr, ala FDR or    any one of the dead fucking    Kennedys.   Fuck that.      I want him to live   so that he can watch his legacy    steadily and inexorably tarnish and rot,  until he becomes nothing more than a laughable, derided footnote in American history.     I want him to see hsi name mocked and his regime dismissed as corrupt and feral.   I want him to die an   ignominous death    sometime in teh future,    pissing himself in his bed,   alone and unmourned.

I'm a loving, nurturing    type, you see,    but I've also got a hearty dose of ginger soullessness.

Posted by: Jaws at April 23, 2013 01:20 PM (4I3Uo)

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I'll take 'record gun sales' for $500, Alex.

Posted by: Y-not is running out of blood at April 23, 2013 01:20 PM (5H6zj)

Those dicknoses with the Guy Fawkes masks?  Yeah fuck them dry and hard.

183I've been saying it for months.

I truly believe Gosnell will be acquitted.

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I guess that'll make the front page of the NY Times

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 23, 2013 01:19 PM (VtjlW)

Hey if you want humor instead.

Another interview for my job.  Another gal.

What I don't understand is I only work 20 hours a week (3 days) and they can't schedule these things on my day off?

Now they're just being mean.

#225  I'll fire a shot at Fort Sumter and then head for Belize. 

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2013 01:16 PM (piMMO)

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I cringed because that would mean "The Sheriff" was in control.

There are quite a few comments here along these lines, so I'm going to ask.

Those who are certain it's coming, in your own no-bullshit assessment, when does the shooting start?

Ms Palmer already wrote a "light-hearted comedic" poem about getting an abortion according to Wiki.

always makes me laugh

"If Ogabe takes a bullet, it'll come from the left.


What do you mean? They love his worthless, incompetent ass."

Three words:  Lee.  Harvey.  Oswald.

The logic contortions and moral compromises one must embrace to be a liberal stagger the imagination.

For a conservative, it's just 'is this right, or wrong?'

That right there's the difference between Us and Them: we have a functioning conscience that we rely upon to tell us when something is wrong. There's no rationalization  needed, no mental   hoops to jump through, no moral preening and no pretentiousness   or trying to impress others  with our "superiority."

They  have so such innate mechanism.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 23, 2013 01:26 PM (VtjlW)

I oscillate between no longer wanting this degree and wanting to become so awesome at bioethics they regret firing me (and/or becoming head of ORI or OLAW and raining down fiery hell.)

It has at times seemed to create more trouble than good.

But even if I didn't want this degree anymore my fall back career is lab worker seeing as that's my primary training. (and what I did for 2 years.)

Pissing off a major university?  Yeah, that's a way not to get hired in that field again either.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 23, 2013 01:21 PM (4df7R)

Your concerns are unwarranted. Comparing a dead Gosnell to a dead FDR (one of our greatest wartime presidents) and JFK and RFK is missing the mark. He would just be a dead Gosnell. The Left would like it very much, thank you, if the good doctor just disappeared, went away, faded out, never to be heard from again. He isn't a good candidate for martyrdom, dead or alive.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 01:27 PM (fwARV)

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I'm still of the opinion that it could  still  be done relatively  peacefully.  But that door is enevitably going  to close.  I don't know, IOW. 

" Hacked AP Twitter Account Reports Of Two Explosions At White House, Obama Injured"
http://www.zerohedge.com/

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 23, 2013 01:31 PM (VtjlW)

I'm only saying it for the benefit of understanding sven-ese.  If he's going to post here in the volume he normally does, it would be nice to understand most of them.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please?

***

I read that and my eyes are bleeding and there is blood comong out of my ears.

Is that something I should worry about?

"Whoever hacked AP, scrambled the fighter cover for DC."

Little known fact:  The USAF  zoomies who fly CAP over DC  have top secret Mk I, Mod 0 Sequestration Jamming  Pods. 

Units  out in the hinterlands, notsomuch.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 01:27 PM (fwARV)

No bullshit:  it starts when it starts. Just don't be the first guy with your nut scratcher on the bang switch is my advice.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 23, 2013 01:31 PM (VtjlW)

Cruel Queen.

On a personal note, you seem a bit.....(not a single phrase/word I thought of worked/wouldn't get me crotch punched).....today. You good?

Not reading all the comments, but I actually think this may be good.

If the charges are dismissed (that is: never considered by the jury) doesn't that mean the Prosecution gets to try again- since he was never held in "jeopardy of life or limb" in the first place?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 01:27 PM (fwARV)

2017, when the Clinton DoJ is caught covering up evidence of widespread ballot tampering and voter suppression and intimidation.

If Ogabe takes a bullet, it'll come from the left.

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If you review presidential assassinations/attempts they are virtually all

1. loons

2. people to the politcal left of the president

3. 1 and 2

At the gala dinner, pro-abortion rights group plans to bestow Dr. Ruth
Westheimer with its highest honor, the Margaret Sanger Award for her
“lifelong commitment to empowering women and men to talk openly and
honestly about sex and sexual health.

And she's a survivor of the Holocaust. 

What an evil, rotten, shriveled scrunt.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Septembrist at April 23, 2013 01:35 PM (fMiHM)

I have 5.  3 of which are connected to teh interwebnet thingy.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 23, 2013 01:37 PM (LRFds)

Yes.  And I only said that because I think you have some interesting things to contribute.  I just want to be able to understand them.

234So...what medical procedure requires severing the neck of a baby that is already dead?? If the baby was born dead, why sever the neck?

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At that point it's just performance art

Posted by: tasker at April 23, 2013 01:37 PM (r2PLg)

Several people I know inside bases watch FoxNews (seriously, not sarcasm.)

I won't talk on a blog about things I won't even discuss on the phone, but this weekend my brother, my cousins and me will meet to discuss the family's preparations and planning.   Individually we have all made plans but we're now consolidating for the sake of family. 

God bless Texas.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 01:37 PM (fwARV)

Even if that were to happen, a lot of people (51% by my last count) would let it slide because they were promised "guaranteed accounts", whatever the fuck that means.

In short, we're boned.

Btw does anyone notice anything *unusual* about @anthonyweiner's new logo?

http://tinyurl.com/d4ygxlo

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 23, 2013 01:40 PM (nB4IX)

No one talks about fight club.

only some of the charges were dismissed. He is still facing multiple murder charges

Yeah, I got that.  I was only considering the ones that were dismissed.

As I understand it (and I'm sure AtC can school me here), if the charges are dismissed, then they're never considered- meaning the judge is essentially saying "Nope, go back and try again."  Which may mean the judge thinks the prosecution needs (on those specific charges) to go shore up the case and try again.  That is: he might be afraid that if those charges go to the jury, the jury would acquit on those charges- dismissing them prevents that.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2013 01:41 PM (ZshNr)

Fuck me with a dead whale on erf day!  I saw that coming and was going to drop a dime on NF yesterday but got caught up in (no kidding) scooping dog shit in the back yard!

F ME F ME F ME F ME F ME

@2 Granted, I haven't read exactly what the judge wrote, but isn't the question of whether evidence is sufficient a jury question?

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Yes, and no.  If the evidence doesn't meet certain basic legal minimums, then a judge can dismiss a charge.  The issue in such instances isn't whether facts are in dispute.  It's that the facts as presented by the prosecution don't amount to a crime.  As a minor example, if a guy was being prosecuted for trespassing, and the prosecution (i.e. not the defense) established that the defendent was on the other side of the city when the trespassing incident took place, then obviously the prosecution has no case and the judge can dismiss the charges before the jury goes into deliberation.  There's literally nothing for the jury to deliberate because the prosecution failed to present any evidence that the defendent actually trespassed.

Usually it means that the prosecution either got overzealous in the charges that it brought (something that the Grand Jury is supposed to catch, but doesn't always), or that the prosecution screwed up somehow.

253 Washington nearsider

This field of drought-parched scrub is about as dry as it's going to get.  All it takes is the right (or wrong)  spark.  Who knows who, what, where or when that spark will fall.  For all we know, some rapper will take one in the neck at the hands of the police and set off a chain reaction that consumes everything.

Could anyone have predicted that something as  previously obscure as  Archduke Ferdinand  getting capped by some Balkantrash anarchist would set off  WWI?

Posted by: tasker at April 23, 2013 01:44 PM (r2PLg)

Aye.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 23, 2013 01:40 PM (VtjlW)

Yup.

Grandpa "Hey XXXX, how's your husband doing?"

"Uhhhhh........oh! He's good. He's ok." Followed by some made up bullshit.

Posted by: tasker at April 23, 2013 01:44 PM (r2PLg)

Yeah, I don't mean PX's I mean inside control rooms, command centers.

Although sometimes it's football (also seriously.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 23, 2013 01:47 PM (WTxF0)

Our ops floors carry... um... telemetry.

I shot the sheriff...

NOnononono.

It's from Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida, Quatrain 47, Second Stanza, right before the  drum solo.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 23, 2013 01:07 PM (kFnmp)

When  the  Doom  comes  a  lot  of  people  are  going  to  be  shocked  at  just  how  thin  a  veneer  civilization  is. 

There are quite a few comments here along these lines, so I'm going to ask.

Those who are certain it's coming, in your own no-bullshit assessment, when does the shooting start?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 01:27 PM (fwARV)

I don't.  I think the vast majority of Americans have been drugged, bought off, coddled, made impotent or isolated enough that there can be no major rebellion.  Small pockets of resistance, perhaps, but those will be tamped down in ways that will make Waco and Ruby Ridge look like walks in the park.  And the thought of a true dissolution of the states would terrify the "movers and shakers" so much that they will never attempt it, all Rick Perry's swagger to the contrary.

We're very nearly Soviet America.  Give us ten years, say, and we'll have gulags and televised trials of "enemies of the state."

But as I said, I'm a nihilist.  I don't expect happiness or goodness.

I don't know anything about this judge, but Philadelphia Common Pleas Court judges are notoriously liberal and pro-criminal.  Prosecutors have complained for years, and many heinous crimes have been committed by repeat offenders who were let off completely or given ridiculously light sentences by these liberal judges.

BTW, the Philadelphia DA who brought these charges is black, a Democrat, and very ambitious.  And he seemed genuinely revolted and angry when he announced the indictments of Gosnell and his clinic staff. 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at April 23, 2013 01:51 PM (rXcBX)

How right you are, how very right you are.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 23, 2013 01:54 PM (jvd3N)

This doesn't surprise me.  Did any followups actually come back conclusive for ricin?

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB at April 23, 2013 01:54 PM (KBKz/)

Not something to wish for.  Believe me.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 23, 2013 01:54 PM (jvd3N

-- Elvis has left the building

@412 BTW, the Philadelphia DA who brought these charges is black, a Democrat, and very ambitious. And he seemed genuinely revolted and angry when he announced the indictments of Gosnell and his clinic staff.

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He should be.  At the very minimum, even if he's not outraged by the deaths, there's also the better care that Gosnell provided for white women who visited his clinic as opposed to minorities.

He was more worried about white women filing a complaint, but it's an obvious racism angle for anyone who cares to play it up (even though Gosnell himself is black).

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 23, 2013 01:52 PM (zF6Iw)

--- Texas

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at April 23, 2013 01:43 PM (kgD8h)

Once again in English, please?

Posted by: GMan at April 23, 2013 01:55 PM (sxq57)

You try to tell them not to go fishing, but no one listens.  Me?  Reservoir.  Forget the name.  Everything fell over the side.  weapons, optics, ammo, kit... all of it just gone in a splash.

Don't fret humanity; Mr. Gosnell and I have an appointment in the very near future.  Buwahahahahahhahahaha!

(Smiles and sharpens barbed cock)

Posted by: GMan at April 23, 2013 01:55 PM (sxq57)

That canoe must be like my magical living room couch. Sit on it and things just disappear.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 02:00 PM (fwARV)

I prefer to lay out gluten free muffins laced with rat poison.

Do I have that right?

Pretty much.  The AoS Style Guide also says you may insert more colorful language  or  similes/metaphors  as you deem necessary.

Flexibility is  our motto.

Posted by: non-reloadable magazine at April 23, 2013 01:55 PM (x3YFz)

I know.  No snark or disrespect at all, I understand what you are saying, and I agree.  It is a foolish thing for a man (me) to say, and no one can know just how truly horrible that time will be.

But the alternative is this, a den of liars, murderers, thieves, and villains, laughing as they prosper off the labor and misery of others, where reprobates are celebrated, where duty, honor, and righteousness are dragged through the streets, mocked, reviled, and scorned. 

A world where a man can butcher infants for a living, and 2/3 of the nation doesn't bat an eye. 

Between the two choices, knowing full well that I have no idea how insane it would truly be to see it all come crashing down, I choose the crash.  I have no power to effect change to that end, but I acknowledge that it is coming, and that we deserve it.

What else can be done?  Sodom and Gomorrah were not spared, and to whom much is given, of him much shall be required. 

Who has been given more than the United States, a land absolutely awash in honey and cream, iron and fuel, with freedoms and safety the rest of the world could only dream of as they lay in their cots at night.  We had glory, we had riches, we had peace - and we have squandered it.

What will become of a nation of such foolish people?

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at April 23, 2013 02:01 PM (7zGOJ)

Not buying it from a logical or legal standpoint. Perhaps a "medical" one, but not a legal one. He should not have had to do that if the baby was dead. The fact that he did that without having to means he knew they were alive. If the case is not made on that logic, then logic is dead.

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 23, 2013 02:03 PM (8sCoq)

but, I don't harrumph!  Feel like I'm missing out on the cool kid thing.  dammit.

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 23, 2013 02:04 PM (8sCoq)

he can blow me  (I'm trying!)

--- Texas

You know, as much as I would never go to a moron meetup, this subject is one I would love to discuss over adult beverages, since I have a lot of thoughts that would take me too long (and take up too much blog space) to post.  One of these days I'll have to write up a brief for why I think rebellion is doomed and post it.

Jeez, I'm turning into a Debbie Downer today.  Must be the rain.

"So the judge here can throw out some murder charges, but not silly lawsuits like spilling coffee on yourself? Our legal system is fucked."

There's no big  money payout  for the Legislative/Judicial/ Attorney Industrial Complex in  something as mundane as murder.  McDonalds, however, has some deep pockets.

Posted by: Hipster Scrunt at April 23, 2013 02:06 PM (/kI1Q)

take 2!  They'll clean you right out.

"You don't wanna be the guy that doesn't harrumph."

Yeah.  We wouldn't want to disturb the fucking harmony around here.

So  I  can  shoot  people  in  Philly  and  they  can't  charge  me  with  murder  unless  they  can  prove  they  were  first  alive?

Good  to  know.

So a reference to a troll's mother, who can only get all lubed up by scraping off the scabs... that would be in keeping with the spirit of the Style Guide?

*thumbs through  Volume Three...*

Yup. It's all right here, next to the section   about    Secure Passwords.

#453 You are exactly right.  This SHOULD produce some very uncomfortable conversations with the pro-abortion crowd.  For example, even if Gosnell was right and he was just speeding up the deaths of babies that had been given deadly drugs, and they were younger than 24 weeks, doesn't that still show that these babies were strong enough to survive longer than Gosnell thought they should after he administered the drugs?  They basically survived a euthanasia attempt, at least for a while and for longer than expected.  At what point does society say that it is still OK to euthanize a baby that is viable and capable of breathing on its own? 

Maybe we should stop calling this abortion altogether and call it infant euthanasia.  Human euthanasia is not legal anywhere that I know of.  We are treating human babies like puppies and kittens. 

Posted by: rockmom at April 23, 2013 02:10 PM (qE3AR)

Not even that well. At least we don't butcher them in the womb.

@459 Who has been given more than the United States, a land absolutely awash in honey and cream, iron and fuel, with freedoms and safety the rest of the world could only dream of as they lay in their cots at night. We had glory, we had riches, we had peace - and we have squandered it.

What will become of a nation of such foolish people?

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If you were a Latter-Day Saint, I'd advise you to "ask the Nephites".

Assuming that you aren't...

I think we're on the downward spiral at this point, and it's a matter of "when", not "if".  And I fear that we'll be lucky to get off as easily as the Romans did.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 02:08 PM (fwARV)

Some bores are partial to 5.56 or .223.  In the garden variety firearms that get less than 500 rounds a year put through them, it doesn't matter.  totally interchangeable.  Match and precision shooting I'll offer this:  5.56 through most AR clones, .223 through varmint critters.

Bottom line is you need to contact the manufacturer and find out what the bore was designed for.  If you're going to spend $7K tricking out a rifle, then you need to deal closely with the manufacturer to reduce barrel wear.  Here's a book rec:  Navy Seal Sniper by Brandon Webb and Glen Dogherty, fwd by Chris Kyle.  It's the bible.

1) What purpose would you have to cut the spine of a baby with a scissors if it was already dead?  2) How is this not mutilating a corpse?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 23, 2013 02:07 PM (zF6Iw)

-- Do it soon because there may not be as much time as people think and I have to believe that if we can pool enough like minded folks we have a pretty good chance.

#477 In Philly some of the judges truly are insane liberals who believe the criminal justice system is racist and stacked against poor people.  They let people go all the time on these grounds.  I remember reading about one white female judge who would not ever convict a poor black woman for anything short of capital murder.  Prosecutors basically threw up their hands and sought plea agreements when they drew her for a trial.  Philly also has a terrible problem with witness intimidation, which some judges also seem to tacitly approve.  Many trials end when key witnesses fail to show up or are killed. 

It would not surprise me at all if this judge is a liberal idologue who believes in abortion on demand, and also believes Gosnell was doing a service to the poor black community with his clinic and that the conditions there were just a result of him trying to operate on the small amounts of cash all those poor women could pay him. 

OT - but Lucky Gunner has 78k of PMC .223.

Price still sucks, but that is the most I have seen them have on hand for a long time. Hopefully it starts getting back to normal.

***

I'm finding ammo and magazines in stock, and prices have come down from "You are on crack" to "Still too high".

One exception I saw was a brick of .22 going for $99.99 two days ago.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 02:08 PM (fwARV)

depends on your barrel specifically the throat .   The 5.56 sets different and because it has higher pressure it could cause a problem.  No problem firing a .223 in a 556 barrel but not always the other way around.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB at April 23, 2013 02:04 PM (KBKz/)

Civilizations come and go over the millenia. It's the way of things. That said, in all human history there has never been a country like ours, one that has enjoyed, celebrated and promoted individual human freedom. We have proved, once and for all, that such freedom is possible, even desirable, and that a nation of free men and women can thrive if its people can say, think, write, and do what they like.

But hey, we aren't over, not by a long shot. Our political opponents are powerful, yes, but by no means unbeatable. I mean, come on: Joe Biden.

Posted by: troyriser at April 23, 2013 02:18 PM (vtiE6)

Alright, I still think we're boned, but I gotta say, that made me laugh.  Thank you for that, I needed a good laugh.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 23, 2013 02:16 PM (LRFds)

Aye the lake city 885 and 855 are pretty decent ammo, reliable to the 1/5-700 round range.

The steel core AP rounds aren't great on soft targets:  tend to just pass right through them leaving a .22 sized hole.  NOT a deer hunting round for sure!  I have some 193 ball.  Having not shot at a soft target in years, I'd prefer that.  If the Jihadi has body armor then you want green tip but we rarely got that choice, right?

Guess he wasn't so dillusional after all. Although this incident will surely drive him over the edge. Think of it as Obama's new policy for dealing with the mentally ill. The quicker they go off the deep end, the quicker they're off the books.

#ObamaCare

Posted by: rockmom at April 23, 2013 02:23 PM (aBlZ1)

Indeed.  It's going to be a struggle to change the nomenclature, but this is indeed how the debate is reframed. 

I don't know whether it is infuriating or hilarious that changing a person's mind can be reduced to something as simple as a choice in adjectives and verbs used in conversation.  What ridiculous people we are...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 23, 2013 02:22 PM (fwARV)

just contact your barrel manufacturer and get the lifetime based on rounds through it.  Have spares.  Two is one, one is none.

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 23, 2013 02:27 PM (HVff2)

Fatalism is an entirely good thing in some circumstances. I say embrace it and resolve to go out with verve, nerve and style.