December 03, 2013

BREAKING: Judge Rules Detroit Eligible For Bankruptcy
— DrewM

And we have a new city atop the list of Largest US Municipal Bankruptcies. Congratulations Detroit!


$18 BILLION in debt. One city.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Steven Rhodes determined the city meets the criteria for bankruptcy, ruling the city is financially insolvent and that the filing was properly authorized. He dismissed challenges to MichiganÂ’s emergency manager law and ruled that pensions are not protected by the state Constitution.

“The case was filed in good faith and should not be dismissed,” Rhodes said.

Rhodes also ruled the city negotiated in good faith with its creditors, a key point of contention in the eligibility fight. The judge was sympathetic to creditors’ complaints that they did not get a reasonable chance to respond to the city’s proposals, but he noted that the sheer number of creditors — more than 100,000 — made it “impracticable” for Detroit to negotiate with them all.



Earlier the judge ruled that municipal worker pensions were not immune from the bankruptcy process. So it looks like the people who helped bleed the city dry with get to live with the results of their greed.

It takes awhile but eventually this is where Democratic rule leads.

Of course it's not just Detroit. No this is going to be the first in some mega-municipal bankruptcies across the country.

Illinois is starting to try and deal with their out of control pension plan.

[Update - Andy] The left is reacting about as calmly and rationally as you'd expect to a judge's mainstream interpretation of Chapter 9 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.


Honestly, the bankruptcy process provides Detroit its only (slim) chance for survival as a major city. Without it, the years and years of decline will just continue as it withers away.

The whole idea of the bankruptcy process is to provide an opportunity for a fresh start, and I find it highly instructive that the left would rather see the city's last dollar used to pay a union pension benefit than for it to have a chance at rebirth.

Posted by: DrewM at 07:36 AM | Comments (470)
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1 Foist?

Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 03, 2013 07:37 AM (jsWA8)

2 I bet the judge gets audited.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 07:37 AM (LI48c)

3 Oh Boy! This ought to be good!

Posted by: Flounder at December 03, 2013 07:38 AM (PMGbu)

4 Detroiters are learning whether the city is eligible for Chapter 9 bankruptcy relief and can restructure more than $18 billion in debt in court.


Restructure is a funny way of saying "not pay it".


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:38 AM (GQ8sn)

5 Copied from an eariler thread:

The fact of the matter is pensions are never possible in the long run because the paying entity, public or private, is going to be paying people for working as much as they can manage, and you get an increasing number of pensioneers who you're paying for doing nothing.

Detroit has reached the end of that scam as there simply is no money to pay current workers, much less useless pension bills.

Eat it, union goons.

Posted by: Methos at December 03, 2013 07:39 AM (hO9ad)

6 Math is hard, yo.

Posted by: navybrat at December 03, 2013 07:39 AM (SEg6L)

7 It's the Republican's fault! They left, and stopped paying the bills we put on them!

Posted by: Detroit at December 03, 2013 07:40 AM (bb5+k)

8 This is so disrespectful to the President!

Posted by: SFGoth at December 03, 2013 07:41 AM (VxV3H)

9 Oh, I like the "pensions? what pensions?" phase.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 03, 2013 07:41 AM (T0NGe)

10 We're Number One! We're Number One! We're Number One! /sarc

Posted by: fred zeppelin at December 03, 2013 07:42 AM (zL/eJ)

11 Illinois is boned:

on.wsj.com/1bEMCcs


Full disclosure.  My wife works on the Rauner campaign

Posted by: CUS at December 03, 2013 07:42 AM (84pE9)

12 Another racist judge.

Posted by: Roy at December 03, 2013 07:42 AM (VndSC)

13 Take a bow, CUS!


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:42 AM (GQ8sn)

14 Let's throw a unionized wolverine into the barrel, too, just to liven things up.

Posted by: t-bird at December 03, 2013 07:43 AM (FcR7P)

15

Who's next?

 

Puerto Rico

Illinois

California

?

Posted by: rd at December 03, 2013 07:44 AM (D+lxs)

16 Roll out the barrel...

Posted by: Grover's at December 03, 2013 07:44 AM (9aKQB)

17 Copied from an eariler thread: The fact of the matter is pensions are never possible in the long run because the paying entity, public or private, is going to be paying people for working as much as they can manage, and you get an increasing number of pensioneers who you're paying for doing nothing. Detroit has reached the end of that scam as there simply is no money to pay current workers, much less useless pension bills. Eat it, union goons. Posted by: Methos at December 03, 2013 11:39 AM (hO9ad) Here's where it gets incredibly ugly. There is a Michigan state constitutional provision that states as follows: "The accrued financial benefits of each pension plan and retirement system of the state and its political subdivisions shall be a contractual obligation thereof which shall not be diminished or impaired thereby." Article XI Section 24 I haven't read the ruling yet but the judge is absolutely correct that the pension plan is a contractual obligation. Not only is it traditionally such, it is defined as such. The vicious nastiness is whether Federal bankruptcy law supersedes that Michigan state constitutional provision. I have no idea how that should play out. Hell, I can't even tell you how I think it should play out. I will say this. Math don't give a shit. I can dance on the head of that pin all I want and I can spin out the most elaborate theoretical constructs ever and Math? Don't give a shit.
That which cannot be repaid will not be repaid. It's the implications for federalism in other areas that worries me.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 07:44 AM (VtjlW)

18 The hell with Detroit.

Posted by: AoShq Blog Innovator at December 03, 2013 07:45 AM (kkbgQ)

19 It's the Republican's fault!

I loled. I'm reminded of a conversation I had back in 2008 with a former friend in which he asserted that the shitty state or urban finances nationwide were equally the responsibility of both parties, and naturally didn't have an answer for how the GOP has had any influence among them.

We actually had a race in Chicago run about that time on the premise that 'Chicago doesn't need a second Republican on the city council.'

Posted by: Methos at December 03, 2013 07:45 AM (hO9ad)

20 Looks like that there boy CUS is headed off to that there burrel. Um hmmm.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 07:45 AM (LSJmV)

21 "Oh Boy! This ought to be good!"

You have no idea.... from the mashing of teeth, to the non-stop RAAAAAACIST being thrown out like moldy bread, to every DNC talking head that says this won't affect their election cycle, its gonna be EPIC! (and, we're right around the corner...)

Posted by: fred zeppelin at December 03, 2013 07:46 AM (zL/eJ)

22 The union leeches are going BOOO HOOO!

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at December 03, 2013 07:46 AM (fMPa+)

23 If your kids are trying to decide between the safe path of municipal employment with all of its guarantees, or the riskier path of self-employment, these are instructive times.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 03, 2013 07:46 AM (+lsX1)

24 It's the Republican's fault! I blame stray apostrophes.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 07:46 AM (7ObY1)

25 The vicious nastiness is whether Federal bankruptcy law supersedes that Michigan state constitutional provision. --- My money is on federal law over state law in this case.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 07:47 AM (/Crba)

26 China wastes all that money building ghost cities when they could simply buy Detroit. They should go for the naming rights, too.

Posted by: t-bird at December 03, 2013 07:48 AM (FcR7P)

27 Clearly, socialism was not properly applied in Detroit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 07:48 AM (8ZskC)

28 25 China wastes all that money building ghost cities when they could simply buy Detroit. They should go for the naming rights, too. --- I think OCP has already moved to foreclose on Detroit so that they can create Delta City.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 07:48 AM (/Crba)

29

Youknow, I feel for the (few) Detroit municipal employees who saw this coming and will be genuinely hurt by this.   But I suspect     if they saw this coming, they hopefully saved up a reasonable nest egg.    

 

Now, if only we could dig up Coleman Young, reanimate his corpse, and then kill him again.   Because I don't care what the Detroit Free Press says -- Coleman Young's fingerprints are all over the city's downfall.   Who was in office when these collective bargaining agreements were drawn up and approved, huh?  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 07:49 AM (4df7R)

30 In a rational world, the feds and the state would both prevail. The residents of the state of Michigan alone would be on the hook and the feds wouldn't. Meanwhile, back in reality...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 03, 2013 07:49 AM (PMGbu)

31 1) HA HA B) If I were to have a blog, I might actually have posted something new recently III) Link would be in the nic

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 03, 2013 07:49 AM (GEICT)

32 I bet the judge gets audited.

I bet union members start camping in front of his house too. 

Posted by: no good deed at December 03, 2013 07:49 AM (HsJeN)

33

Seventy years of Democrat rule. 

 

It is obviously George Bush's fault.

 

Posted by: rd at December 03, 2013 07:50 AM (D+lxs)

34 Just use the same technique that Obama did with Delphi. Take all of the pension money from the salaried employees, and transfer it to the union pension fund. Voila!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 03, 2013 07:50 AM (aDwsi)

35 Here we have proof that math is racist.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 07:50 AM (cLM8I)

36 China wastes all that money building ghost cities when they could simply buy Detroit. They should go for the naming rights, too.


I nominate "New Caracas"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 07:50 AM (8ZskC)

37 African Americans hardest hit (@ 82% of the population).

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html

Posted by: flounder at December 03, 2013 07:50 AM (Kkt/i)

38 Maybe they should have built Detroit on Rock and Roll instead of R&B.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 07:51 AM (LSJmV)

39 Shit barrel.  How did that happen, though?  I copied from the URL line?

Posted by: CUS at December 03, 2013 07:51 AM (84pE9)

40 With a commie about to enter the Mayor's Office in NYC, can they be far behind?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 07:51 AM (t3UFN)

41 Alex, I understand your federalism concern...but EVEN IF I were to concede that the state constitution trumps a federal statute (for the sake of consistency, I'll put DOMA out front here), what is the outcome for Detroit? It would put the state on the hook for the funds and we all know that won't happen without Michigan then going full throttle down the chute. Let's give credit to the judge for recognizing that math is important, too.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 03, 2013 07:52 AM (659DL)

42 Illinois will be the first state to declare bankruptcy. The end is near here. The opposition party is filled with Mitch McConnell clones on steroids. 

Nothing to do except watch the mudslide.

Posted by: GMB at December 03, 2013 07:52 AM (nkPV9)

43 Shutting down Motor City should earn big tax credits under the Cash for Clunkers program.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 07:52 AM (8ZskC)

44  China wastes all that money building ghost cities when they could simply
buy Detroit. They should go for the naming rights, too.


I nominate "New Caracas"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 11:50 AM (8ZskC)

 

I nominate "Peruvia" the odor city

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 03, 2013 07:52 AM (nTgAI)

45 China is too smart to buy a shithole like Detroit. 

They make their own knock-offs back home.


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:52 AM (GQ8sn)

46 My money is on federal law over state law in this case. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 11:47 AM (/Crba) Yeah, that's my gut reaction as well.
There's also the fact that judges do occasionally interact with reality in their rulings and reality demands that the pensions be cut. There is simply nothing else to do. In that case, you start with the outcome and work your way backwards to justify your conclusion. I, for one, cannot wait to hear the screeching by the Left about the trampling of state's rights in this area. Cannot. Wait. I'm going to od on popcorn tout suite.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 07:52 AM (VtjlW)

47 But, but..., that other judge said that permitting bankruptcy would not "..honor President Obama" http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/judge-voids-detroit-bankruptcy-says-it-dishonors-obama/

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 03, 2013 07:53 AM (aDwsi)

48 Am I confusing Detroit with another city or did they pay municipal employees annual bonuses with funds from their pension plans? 

Posted by: no good deed at December 03, 2013 07:53 AM (HsJeN)

49 They could always just burn the place down for the insurance money.  Solvency problem, er, solved!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2013 07:53 AM (DrWcr)

50 Maybe they should have built Detroit on Rock and Roll instead of R&B.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 11:51 AM (LSJmV)


----


You ..... sir.... shall be hearing from our attorney,

Posted by: Jefferson Starship at December 03, 2013 07:53 AM (nELVU)

51

*packs suitcase*

 

*checks ticket reservations*

Posted by: The Burning Times at December 03, 2013 07:54 AM (BrQrN)

52 Here's what I tried to post:

on.wsj.com/1bEMCcs

And full disclosure, my wife works for the Rauner campaign.

Now off to the barrel with a twelve pack of beer and an empty mason jar.

Posted by: CUS at December 03, 2013 07:54 AM (84pE9)

53

Illinois is starting to deal with???

 

 

Hold onto something stable Illinoisians, this is going to hurt. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2013 07:54 AM (TOk1P)

54 39 With a commie about to enter the Mayor's Office in NYC, can they be far behind?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 11:51 AM (t3UFN)

 

Probably.  New York's economy isn't centered around overbloated union members building shittier and shittier cars that they keep losing money on.  So it will probably take a few more commie mayors to kill it.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 07:54 AM (LI48c)

55 III) Link would be in the nic Scathing and obviously racist. In other words, I enjoyed it.

Posted by: t-bird at December 03, 2013 07:54 AM (FcR7P)

56 I, for one, cannot wait to hear the screeching by the Left about the trampling of state's rights in this area. Cannot. Wait. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 11:52 AM (VtjlW)

I'm not sure they will.  I'd bet pensions are just one more sacrifice on the altar of socialism.  They're turning on Obama because it's the messenger, not the message.  They'll turn on the unions eventually for the same reason.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 03, 2013 07:54 AM (fwARV)

57 Don't all the states have rainy day funds like Texas?

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 07:54 AM (LSJmV)

58 Am I confusing Detroit with another city or did they pay municipal employees annual bonuses with funds from their pension plans?

Posted by: no good deed at December 03, 2013 11:53 AM (HsJeN

 

Yup.

 

Funds that would have largely covered their current shortfall if they'd been left alone to accrue interest.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 07:54 AM (4df7R)

59 I haven't read the ruling yet but the judge is absolutely correct that the pension plan is a contractual obligation. Not only is it traditionally such, it is defined as such. The vicious nastiness is whether Federal bankruptcy law supersedes that Michigan state constitutional provision.

atc, I only know from what coverage I've seen on Fox and blogs the last few weeks and months, but I was under the impression that was the specific issue this case was about. Not the bankruptcy filing itself, but which has precedence.

Most of the opinions I've seen is that bankruptcy has to be handled under federal law because otherwise you have union goons and their party writing protections for their theft schemes at city and state levels.

Posted by: Methos at December 03, 2013 07:55 AM (hO9ad)

60 The Fallout game will have Detroit as its DLC.



Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 07:55 AM (GQ8sn)

61 "He dismissed challenges to MichiganÂ’s emergency manager law and ruled that pensions are not protected by the state Constitution."

Expect for this one to be litigated all the way up to the SCOTUS.

Public sector unions and their pensions are a massive bulwark of the institutional left. If those pensions aren't sacrosanct any longer? Katy bar the door.

Also, there is a second elephant in the room for public sector unions.

Detroit's emergency manager has proposed to discontinue retiree health benefits and dump all of the municipal retirees into the Obamacare exchanges. If that holds up as well, expect MASSIVE fissures to open up between various leftist blocs.

The unions know perfectly well that Obamacare is a shit sandwich and have no intention of taking a bite. But if it looks as though they may be forced into Obamacare anyway, their only alternative is to side with repeal. Which will be most unpopular elsewhere on the left. Oh boy! Is someone bringing popcorn?

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2013 07:55 AM (gqT4g)

62 For those  morons who have never been to Detroit, it's an eye opener.  The rust-belt pics on the interwebs actually doesn't do it justice.  It's sad really.  They could film the next Mad Max movie there...if they cleaned the place up a little.

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2013 07:55 AM (BMEZ0)

63 41 Illinois will be the first state to declare bankruptcy. The end is near here. The opposition party is filled with Mitch McConnell clones on steroids. Nothing to do except watch the mudslide. --- I'm torn as to whether Cali would get there quicker than Illinois. Illinois may be stupid but a lot of the things established there aren't readily picking up stumps to move to Texas.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 07:55 AM (/Crba)

64 Can we sell Detroit to Venezuela?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:55 AM (B9up3)

65 They could always just burn the place down for the insurance money. Solvency problem, er, solved! Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2013 11:53 AM (DrWcr) Burn what down?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 07:55 AM (t3UFN)

66 And we have a new city atop the list of Largest US Municipal Bankruptcies.


Pfft. Just give me three years.

Posted by: Bill DeBlasio, Mayor Elect of NYC at December 03, 2013 07:56 AM (8ZskC)

67 They could film the next Mad Max movie there...if they cleaned the place up a little. --- I'm surprised that a group of people hasn't tried to LARP a version of the Batman Arkham Asylum / Arkham City / Arkham Origins game there yet.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 07:56 AM (/Crba)

68 Don't all the states have rainy day funds like Texas?

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 11:54 AM (LSJmV)

 

 

NH did, for at least a while.  I don't know the state of it now.

 

But that still leaves two questions:

 

1) Why should the rest of Michigan pay for Detroit's   failure to   practice basic fiscal responsibility?    Will Flint be far behind?  

 

AND

 

2) Is bailing out a    single    city a proper use of state rainy day funds?   I would argue no.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 07:56 AM (4df7R)

69 C'mon it's a steal. I'll give you $50 cash and $25 in store credit for the whole city.

Posted by: Les Gold at December 03, 2013 07:57 AM (fWAjv)

70 To give you an idea at how untenable all public sector pensions arr all one has to do is look at thr nypd. Nyc pays 8.7 billion dollars for policing per year. They pay 4.3 billion dollars for 36k active duty police officers and 4.7 billion for 43k retired police officers. If nothing is done to address this they will be paying over 5.5 billion dollars for these retirees. Oh and the mayor elect has made it one of his top priorites to give retroacrive raises to the municpal unions.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 03, 2013 07:57 AM (NvZnr)

71 There are two types of defined benefit pension plans: Those created by now bankrupt companies, And those run by state and local governments.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 03, 2013 07:57 AM (l3vZN)

72

As much as the Left hates us white conservatives, they seem to rely on us for the success of all their endeavors.

 

Obamacare wont work b/c Repubs wont support it

Detroit failed b/c all the whites left

Urban kids cant learn unless they're sitting next to white kids

 

WTF ??

 

 

 

 

Posted by: McCool at December 03, 2013 07:57 AM (TQxRy)

73 65 They could always just burn the place down for the insurance money. Solvency problem, er, solved! Posted by: Insomniac at December 03, 2013 11:53 AM (DrWcr) Burn what down? --- Most of Detroit burned down in the '80s. I still don't see shit from the Devil's Night holiday cards that they've started selling thanks to the fires I was the first to start.

Posted by: Top Dollar at December 03, 2013 07:57 AM (/Crba)

74 You know what NYC needs to avoid Detroit's fate?

Tax hikes.

http://tinyurl.com/k7j9bpp

Posted by: Bill DeBlasio, Mayor Elect of NYC at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (8ZskC)

75 Sure, pensions are possible. But a defined-benefit pension that pays you 80% of your last few years' income for the next 40 years? No effin' way.

What's needed are laws to make all defined-benefit pension plans illegal, since they are in fact nothing but legalized Ponzi schemes, and all existing pension plans converted to defined-contribution plans, in which retirees get paid an annuity based upon their contributions over their working career. Didn't contribute, you special snowflake you? Too bad, so sad, you can go on welfare.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (8Fl6F)

76 Rename Detroit "Obama City."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (7tVNd)

77 You know, I visited a lot of the comment sections of the morning news dump. There's a shitload of commenters out there who think capitalism is bad and subscribe to the lefty crapola.

It's depressing. Are we in a bubble here?

Posted by: Sphynx at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (OZmbA)

78 Well, in his defense, Obama never said "if you like your pension, you can keep your pension". Bad news is, no republicans in power in Detroit to blame this all on.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (Zswg6)

79 A glimpse into how badly Detroit has decayed.  The Mark Twin branch of the Detroit Public Library system.
http://tinyurl.com/kbppysm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (B9up3)

80 One, the Obaaama Precedent has been set regarding bankruptcy law in the GM case.
Two, the Fed will--WILL--be ordered to funnel money to Detroit the same way they're funneling money to the blue states.


Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (VjL9S)

81 I'm surprised that a group of people hasn't tried to LARP a version of the Batman Arkham Asylum / Arkham City / Arkham Origins game there yet.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 11:56 AM (/Crba)

 

 

There was one guy who wanted to buy at least a section of    Detroit and turn it into a zombie themed amusement park, where you could run through the city being chased by and/or taking down zombies.

 

The city said no, because it would be degrading.

 

They are so fucked.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (4df7R)

82 62 For those morons who have never been to Detroit, it's an eye opener. The rust-belt pics on the interwebs actually doesn't do it justice. It's sad really. They could film the next Mad Max movie there...if they cleaned the place up a little. Word. I used to have to go to Detroit now and then for work purposes. Luckily, my company has an account with a nice hotel across the river in Windsor, Ontario. So I didn't have to actually stay in Detroit, thank God. But my itineraries were hilarious. Turn right at the bombed-out building, pass the row of boarded up buildings, turn right at the collapsed building...

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 07:58 AM (7ObY1)

83 Fuck 'em.  Hope the bastiches end up selling their bone marrow for food.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 07:59 AM (zF6Iw)

84 Outward appearances say that Kali would be the first to go. The truth of the matter is that Illinois is in worse shape than Kali. The Madigans are just better at covering things up here.

 

Posted by: GMB at December 03, 2013 07:59 AM (nkPV9)

85 It's depressing. Are we in a bubble here?

Posted by: Sphynx at December 03, 2013 11:58 AM (OZmbA)


Here. Try some of the onion dip.  It's terrific.

Posted by: The Society of SMOD at December 03, 2013 08:00 AM (8ZskC)

86 Booosh'e Fault!
Racism!
Or something like that....

Posted by: backhoe at December 03, 2013 08:00 AM (ULH4o)

87

China pays handsomely for scrap steel....

Detroit has waterfront access.

 

Cut the city up with a torch and sell it for its weight in steel 

 

 

Posted by: McCool at December 03, 2013 08:00 AM (TQxRy)

88 In even more astounding breaking news: MOTHERFUCKING ACTIONS HAVE MOTHERFUCKING CONSEQUENCES

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 03, 2013 08:00 AM (GEICT)

89 Ahh , for Detroit I have a cunning plan .

Posted by: baldrick at December 03, 2013 08:00 AM (WK8VM)

90 You could try and create a LARP park in part of Detroit.  But only after you clear a No-Man's land and erect barriers to protect the play area.  From the thugs and guns in the rest of the city.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 08:01 AM (B9up3)

91 Well Iran might need a semi-realistic site to test their first A bomb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 08:01 AM (t3UFN)

92 Bring in a team of top notch used car financing  guys.  Roll the debt  over into the new note at extended terms and Dee-Troit can drive away today in the city they deserve.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 03, 2013 08:01 AM (BAS5M)

93 1) Why should the rest of Michigan pay for Detroit's failure to practice basic fiscal responsibility? Will Flint be far behind? Because it's a state constitutional requirement and it's amendable by the voters of *that* state. If they didn't want to be on the hook, they should have fixed the problem before the sh*t hit the fan. The rest of us had no say and it shouldn't be on our shoulders

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 03, 2013 08:01 AM (PMGbu)

94 I've travelled extensively in Detroit, but not much any more. Just listen to the police dispatch radio and you will find out just how incredibly violent a city it is.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 03, 2013 08:01 AM (l3vZN)

95

There's a shitload of commenters out there who think capitalism is bad and subscribe to the lefty crapola.

It's depressing. Are we in a bubble here?

 

That's the general idea.

Posted by: Long March Through The Institutions at December 03, 2013 08:01 AM (BrQrN)

96 Looks like the democrats/unions played the knock out game with Detroit and won.

Posted by: Dang at December 03, 2013 08:01 AM (YWXTN)

97 Hey, Tingles Matthews is interviewing his Lord and Master Obama on MSDNC, Thursday night. I am SURE the hardballs will be flying.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 08:02 AM (7ObY1)

98 With a commie about to enter the Mayor's Office in NYC, can they be far behind? Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 11:51 AM (t3UFN) He's really excited about soaking the rich for pre-K. Just got an email about it. "96% of New Yorkers who were surveyed said this is a great idea!"

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 08:02 AM (Y92Nd)

99 Do the tea bags fall out of this rayciss judge's mouth when he breathes?

Posted by: runningrn at December 03, 2013 08:02 AM (PLOz8)

100 Cspan 3 Paraphrase: We face the rise of the Uber-presidency and there is no greater risk.

Posted by: USA at December 03, 2013 08:02 AM (VIaw0)

101 From the previous thread because, Hillary! The Battling Boys of Benghazi (Author unknown (but appreciated)) We're the Battling Boys of Benghazi, no fame, no glory, no paparazzi, Just a fiery death in a blazing hell, defending the country we loved so well. It wasn't our job, but we answered the call, fought to the consulate, and scaled the wall. We pulled twenty countrymen from the jaws of fate, led them to safety, and stood at the gate. Just the two of us, and foes by the score, but we stood fast, to bar the door, Three calls for reinforcement, but all were denied, so we fought and we fought, and we fought till we died. We gave our all for our Uncle Sam, but Barack Obama didn't give a damn. Just two dead SEAL's, who carried the load, no thanks to us -- we were just "bumps in the road.

Posted by: ExSnipe at December 03, 2013 08:03 AM (57ubW)

102 92 Bring in a team of top notch used car financing guys. Roll the debt over into the new note at extended terms and Dee-Troit can drive away today in the city they deserve. I'm Billy Fuccillo, and the savings are HUUUU-GE.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 08:03 AM (7ObY1)

103

*shines shoes*

 

*whistles happily*

Posted by: The Burning Times at December 03, 2013 08:04 AM (BrQrN)

104 . "96% of New Yorkers who were surveyed said this is a great idea!" Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 12:02 PM (Y92Nd) yeah right, they were probably all in Charlie Rangel's district

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 08:04 AM (t3UFN)

105 1) Why should the rest of Michigan pay for Detroit's failure to practice basic fiscal responsibility? Will Flint be far behind?
==========
If I could plant a bug in the ear of the left, he'd say, "You know, there's a lot of money being wired and mailed out of Dearborn every month. Money that isn't being spent in Michigan."

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 08:04 AM (VjL9S)

106 Urban kids cant learn unless they're sitting next to white kids --- In a semi-related note, Salon.com did a hitpiece today on the movement to found the city of St. George, LA, out of unincorporated portions of Baton Rouge that have been getting the shaft from the city over the last 30 years. It's an outgrowth of the area's attempts to get a new school district which isn't under the jurisdiction of the corrupt and ineffectual East Baton Rouge Parish School Board, which had been killed at the state legislature twice thanks to groups like the state Congressional Black Congress. The PR campaign is heating up because Baton Rouge is realizing that the new city may end up happening and that, if it does, the areas in question no longer have to pay $52m a year or more to the BR city kitty to cover services that the area doesn't generally receive.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 08:04 AM (/Crba)

107 When Detroit comes up I think about this guy's story about how his Detroit friend shot him in the head:


http://tinyurl.com/6xssuut

Posted by: Sphynx at December 03, 2013 08:05 AM (OZmbA)

108 States cannot go bankrupt.  Therefore, Illinois cannot be the first state to go bankrupt.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 03, 2013 08:05 AM (VxV3H)

109 If only Detroit had high-speed rail.  If only...

Posted by: Dang at December 03, 2013 08:05 AM (YWXTN)

110

54 (cont)

 

And he did hear a sound rising over the snow.

 

It started in low, then it started to grow...

 

"Obama saved us, OBAMA SAVE US,

 

Welcome welcome Federal Cheer!" 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2013 08:05 AM (TOk1P)

111

To give you an idea at how untenable all public sector pensions arr all one has to do is look at thr nypd.

Nyc pays 8.7 billion dollars for policing per year.

They pay 4.3 billion dollars for 36k active duty police officers and 4.7 billion for 43k retired police officers. If nothing is done to address this they will be paying over 5.5 billion dollars for these retirees.


Oh and the mayor elect has made it one of his top priorites to give retroacrive raises to the municpal unions.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 03, 2013 11:57 AM (NvZnr)

 

NYC has those 400 or so rich people that pay most of the city taxes.  These people will be happy to pay for all those city employees and their raises.  They would NEVER consider moving somewhere else.

 

Manhattan is the known center of the universe and it always will be. 

Posted by: deluded at December 03, 2013 08:06 AM (D+lxs)

112 @99 The pre-k scam is to get the taxpayers to fund what amounts to free day care. You think day care is expensive? Wait till its free.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 03, 2013 08:06 AM (WCaqs)

113

I feel the need to repost one of my all-time favorite comments in response to this thread, because it's just so appropriate. From Jinx the Cat (http://minx.cc/?post=342025):

 

 

178 A friend of mine was working at the GM plant at the Hamtramck city line and there was a homeless guy with a shopping cart full of stolen copper being chased by wild dogs.

 

It is the stuff of The Book of Eli.

 

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 29, 2013 09:48 AM (l3vZN)

 

Says it all really.

 

Also, that comment will NEVER not make me laugh my ass off.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:06 AM (4df7R)

114

And all the Goons down in Unionville,

The tall and the small,

Were soon finding out,

There is no pension at all.

 

 

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!111!!1!

Posted by: drill_thrawl at December 03, 2013 08:06 AM (znT2j)

115 "Justice" Roberts will rule that their pensions are actually a tax and nothing is more sacred than a tax.

Posted by: t-bird at December 03, 2013 08:06 AM (FcR7P)

116 Flush twice, its a long way to Detroit.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2013 08:06 AM (FMbng)

117 Funds that would have largely covered their current shortfall if they'd been left alone to accrue interest.

Current, but not forever into the future. These public pensions are all underfunded, and even if they were being funded as planned, part of the plan is to get 8% annual interest (forever). How does that work when the Fed has being doing what it can to keep 'safe' interest rates below 3% and GDP growth has been around or short of 2% for the last five years (before that, neither were near 8% anyway)?

Oh and more lolworthiness. FBN correspondent just pointed out that some of Detroit's bondholders are other pensions, like CALPERS.

Posted by: Methos at December 03, 2013 08:06 AM (hO9ad)

118 If only Detroit had high-speed rail. If only...

Posted by: Dang at December 03, 2013 12:05 PM (YWXTN)


Toilet paper first, comrade.  Then high-speed rail.

Posted by: Nicolas Maduro at December 03, 2013 08:07 AM (8ZskC)

119 yeah right, they were probably all in Charlie Rangel's district Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 12:04 PM (t3UFN) You can't keep those kids in classrooms.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 08:07 AM (Y92Nd)

120 "You know, there's a lot of money being wired and mailed out of Dearborn every month. Money that isn't being spent in Michigan."

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 12:04 PM (VjL9S)

Reported to ATTTAAAAACCCCKKKKKK WATCH!

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 03, 2013 08:07 AM (fwARV)

121

109 -

 

You keep telling yourself that, tinkerbell. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2013 08:07 AM (TOk1P)

122 And to all those Detroilet union leeches:

IT'S THE LAW, BITCHES!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 03, 2013 08:07 AM (wtvvX)

123 Bad news is, no republicans in power in Detroit to blame this all on.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 03, 2013 11:58 AM (Zswg6)

 

Why would that stop them?

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 08:07 AM (LI48c)

124 Oh and more lolworthiness. FBN correspondent just pointed out that some of Detroit's bondholders are other pensions, like CALPERS. --- ... ... ... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Looks like California will be following Detroit down the drain shortly if they have to make up the CALPERS shortfall.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 08:07 AM (/Crba)

125 Bad news is, no republicans in power in Detroit to blame this all on.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 03, 2013 11:58 AM (Zswg6) 

Um... There are no Republicans who voted for ObamaCare, but that hasn't stopped anyone from blaming them.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 03, 2013 08:08 AM (fwARV)

126 Wouldn't it be great if Chicago was next with Rahm Emanuel as their Mayor? That really ties it to Obama.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 08:08 AM (Y92Nd)

127 Robocop statue to be sold for scrap in 5.. 4.. 3..

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:08 AM (fWAjv)

128

You know what would rescue    Detroit?

 

School vouchers.

 

BOOM.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:08 AM (4df7R)

129 Thank you for remembering MWR....when you smile, we all smile!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 03, 2013 08:08 AM (l3vZN)

130 Bad news is, no republicans in power in Detroit to blame this all on. Posted by: Darth Randall at December 03, 2013 11:58 AM (Zswg6) Why would that stop them? Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 12:07 PM (LI48c) Yup, obama about to blame Republicans for the failure that is obamacare

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 08:08 AM (t3UFN)

131

Oh and more lolworthiness. FBN correspondent just pointed out that some of Detroit's bondholders are other pensions, like CALPERS.

 

*pisses pants from laughing too hard*

Posted by: The Burning Times at December 03, 2013 08:09 AM (BrQrN)

132 How many of these union thugs have filed bankruptcy themselves to get out of paying people what they owe?  I'd say a couple,  at least.  Maybe several.

Posted by: Dang at December 03, 2013 08:09 AM (YWXTN)

133 $18 billion dollars.

That's 34,186 Chevy Volts, after federal tax rebate bribe.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 03, 2013 08:09 AM (/kI1Q)

134

An Afghani, Hazi  walked into  his local  smoke bar looking really stressed.  The bartender commented that he did not look too  good. 

 

Let me tell you said Hazi.   The constant gun battles,  poverty and  real chance of being killed is wearing on me.  I should have never moved from Afghanistan   to Detroit.    

 

 

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 08:09 AM (m2CN7)

135 >>Bad news is, no republicans in power in Detroit to blame this all on.

They'll just do the Obamacare blame-shift trick: it's their fault for NOT helping!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2013 08:09 AM (JRmiD)

136 Bad news is, no republicans in power in Detroit to blame this all on.


The Republicans failed to cheer hard enough for Detroit's success. 

Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Truthiness at December 03, 2013 08:10 AM (8ZskC)

137 What time does the riot begin?

Posted by: PJ at December 03, 2013 08:10 AM (ZWaLo)

138 Good teachers and schools will turn Detroit around.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:10 AM (fWAjv)

139

129 -

 

NO!  Huge cash payments to white people willing to move in!!

Posted by: g east at December 03, 2013 08:10 AM (TOk1P)

140 128 Robocop statue to be stolen and sold for scrap in 5.. 4.. 3.. Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 12:08 PM (fWAjv) There we go.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 03, 2013 08:10 AM (GEICT)

141 Thank you for remembering MWR....when you smile, we all smile!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 03, 2013 12:08 PM (l3vZN)

 

That mental image is    so clear and pitch perfect, I can't help it! 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:10 AM (4df7R)

142  If only Detroit had high-speed rail. If only...

Posted by: Dang at December 03, 2013 12:05 PM (YWXTN)

____________________________

They DO have a monorail

Posted by: Lyle Lanley at December 03, 2013 08:10 AM (32Ze2)

143 They'll just do the Obamacare blame-shift trick: it's their fault for NOT helping! Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2013 12:09 PM (JRmiD) That's called the Potomac 2 step

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 08:10 AM (t3UFN)

144 Good teachers and schools will turn Detroit around.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 12:10 PM (fWAjv)



So would a frigging nuke.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2013 08:11 AM (FMbng)

145 A glimpse into how badly Detroit has decayed. The Mark Twin branch of the Detroit Public Library system. http://tinyurl.com/kbppysm Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 11:58 AM (B9up3) The Mark Twin branch is bad, but if you want to see BAD, go to the Mark Twain branch.

Posted by: ExSnipe at December 03, 2013 08:11 AM (57ubW)

146

Oh and more lolworthiness. FBN correspondent just pointed out that some of Detroit's bondholders are other pensions, like CALPERS.

 

But of course!   Municipal bonds are totes safe, right?  

 

Right?

 

And of course they always provide an 8% return on investment!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:11 AM (4df7R)

147 MWR beat me to it.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:11 AM (fWAjv)

148 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2013 11:58 AM (8Fl6F)

You are, of course, correct. Defined contribution pensions are entirely possible, though I'm not sure where they'd be better than just saving and investing on your own. But it was sloppy of me not to make that distinction.

Posted by: Methos at December 03, 2013 08:11 AM (hO9ad)

149 So would a frigging nuke.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 03, 2013 12:11 PM (FMbng)

We call that 'cauterizing the wound.'

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 03, 2013 08:11 AM (fwARV)

150 You know what would rescue Detroit? School vouchers. If cities were subject to triage, we'd smother Detroit with a pillow.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 03, 2013 08:12 AM (659DL)

151 $18 billion dollars. That's 34,186 Chevy Volts, after federal tax rebate bribe. Oh, that would be funny. Here you go! Paid in full!

Posted by: t-bird at December 03, 2013 08:12 AM (FcR7P)

152 Al Qaeda is dead and Detroit is alive!

Posted by: Joe B. at December 03, 2013 08:12 AM (hO9ad)

153 I'm pretty sure Ed Schultz already started with "it's the Republicans fault in Detroit." 

Posted by: no good deed at December 03, 2013 08:12 AM (HsJeN)

154 You guys are racists for cheering on the failure of a city where blacks had the audacity to govern themselves, just like you hate the black president.

Posted by: Pissy Tingles at December 03, 2013 08:12 AM (Y92Nd)

155 KISS should shoot a film there: "Detroit Broke City" Of course, nowadays it would be "Detroit Broken Hip City". Cause KISS is old.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 03, 2013 08:12 AM (Ec6wH)

156 If I hear one more person start an argument of why detroit failed with "people were allowed to leave" I'm gonna choke a krugbot.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 03, 2013 08:12 AM (WdbF7)

157 And we have a new city atop the list of Largest US Municipal Bankruptcies. Congratulations Detroit! Firstest is the mostest!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 08:13 AM (xZxMD)

158 They DO have a monorail Posted by: Lyle Lanley +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Is it as nice as the one in North Haverbrook?

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 08:13 AM (LSJmV)

159 I don't think this story is quite "flaming-skull" worthy, but it deserves some sort of special iconography.

I know! A FLAMING PINTO!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 03, 2013 08:13 AM (wtvvX)

160 Laptops for the children are the only answer!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 03, 2013 08:13 AM (l3vZN)

161 New York will be lining up in a few years. The city's unions have been hanging around (can't say working) without a pay raise for years, and in their new contract they want retroactive raises that run into billions

Mayor Sandinista will no doubt give it to them, claiming his "reasonable" tax hikes will cover it

Posted by: kbdabear at December 03, 2013 08:13 AM (aTXUx)

162 When you subtract the Real Estate value of the city, they are only in debt $17.9 Billion.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (DqJMv)

163 I am SURE the hardballs will be flying.

CM:  What level of racism do you ascribe to your opponents?  Extreme, or off the charts?
CM:  How did you get to be such a specimen of fitness?
CM:  Will you sign my commemorative White House jersey?
CM:  Will you follow me on Twitter?
CM:  Looks like our time is up, you're a great interview.  Can we turn off the cameras and start the party?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (6qlHs)

164

Old rule finds new learners in public pension fund problem.

 

Things that can't go on--don't.  

 

Prolly applies to Obamacare as well, although the jury is still out.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (dtuXM)

165 No matter where your live, if you're expecting a public sector pension, better have a plan B.

Posted by: secretary of state at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (1lVLR)

166 Dominic Nanni looks like a sociopath, anyone checked out his Google+ profile? Does he understand the messages hidden in the grammar?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (9eDbm)

167

92 Bring in a team of top notch used car financing guys. Roll the debt over into the new note at extended terms and Dee-Troit can drive away today in the city they deserve.

 

In that spirit, Cthulhu Motors:

 


http://www.uglyhill.com/cthulhu-motors

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (zF6Iw)

168 Laptops iPads for the children are the only answer!

FIFY

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (wtvvX)

169 If cities were subject to triage, we'd smother Detroit with a pillow.

Just call it the historic first application of the Liverpool Pathway to a municipality.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (8ZskC)

170 If only Detroit had high-speed rail. If only... < ... cues up "purple Rain" ... > < ... refrain ... > We want to know who's finally gonna pay for Coleman's Train.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 03, 2013 08:14 AM (FlRtG)

171 The Mark Twin branch is bad, but if you want to see BAD, go to the Mark Twain branch. Posted by: ExSnipe at December 03, 2013 12:11 PM (57ubW) I hear Val Kilmer puts in the odd appearance there.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 08:15 AM (Y92Nd)

172 My Dad's financial advisor mentioned that JPMorgan's advising all its high-wealth clients to get out of Munis. It's a moribund market. I must admit, I still like the higher grade Munis, but nobody's buying them, so you have to hold to maturity.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 03, 2013 08:15 AM (Ec6wH)

173 KISS should shoot a film there: "Detroit Broke City" Of course, nowadays it would be "Detroit Broken Hip City". Cause KISS is old. Book it as a stop on their Geritol Tour.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 08:15 AM (xZxMD)

174 If I hear one more person start an argument of why detroit failed with "people were allowed to leave" I'm gonna choke a krugbot.
***
Liberalism always reaches a point where it needs to enserf the productive class. Just like East Germany needed the Berlin wall, liberal cities need laws to force the law abiding, productive citizens to stay...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2013 08:15 AM (P3U0f)

175

The weird thing is that  downtown Detroit  is a vibrant , desirable place.  

During the day.     

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 08:15 AM (m2CN7)

176 MWR beat me to it.

 

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 12:11 PM (fWAjv)

 

 

We were all thinking it, I'm sure.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:15 AM (4df7R)

177 Laptops for the children are the only answer! Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 03, 2013 12:13 PM (l3vZN) iPads. It's working so well in Cali.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:15 AM (fWAjv)

178 91 Well Iran might need a semi-realistic site to test their first A bomb Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 12:01 PM (t3UFN) But... how would they know if it worked?

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at December 03, 2013 08:15 AM (9hVHZ)

179 What time does the riot begin?

It's ongoing.  It peters out at about 3am, then picks up again around 10am.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 03, 2013 08:16 AM (6qlHs)

180
OF COURSE...

Grad student studying pol comm . Political junkie. Detroiter. Coffee Addict. Music lover. Traveler. Tweets about life, politics, and everything else.

Detroit, MI · medium.com/@DominicNanni


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at December 03, 2013 08:16 AM (HQml1)

181 CM: What level of racism do you ascribe to your opponents? Extreme, or off the charts? CM: How did you get to be such a specimen of fitness? CM: Will you sign my commemorative White House jersey? CM: Will you follow me on Twitter? CM: Looks like our time is up, you're a great interview. Can we turn off the cameras and start the party? CM: Do Republicans oppose your signature health care initiative because they are racists, or because they hate poor people? Or both? CM: That last answer has my leg tingling, Mein Fuhrer. Could you please repeat it again so I can absorb every last nuance?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 08:16 AM (7ObY1)

182 We want to know who's finally gonna pay for Coleman's Train. Pay for it? Who's gonna pull it? IYNWIMAIKTYD.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 08:16 AM (xZxMD)

183 *pauses*

They always have that slogan - "Imported from Detroit"

Make Detroit a special free trade zone administered by the state, non union rules, and 20 years tax free for anyone who moves in to set up business.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 08:16 AM (B9up3)

184 We were all thinking it, I'm sure. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 03, 2013 12:15 PM (4df7R) Perhaps we preemptively warded it off.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:16 AM (fWAjv)

185 My polls.  What the fuck happened to my polls!

Huma, get your skinny ass in here!

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at December 03, 2013 08:17 AM (8ZskC)

186 Who run Barter Town?

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2013 08:17 AM (BMEZ0)

187 I'm pretty sure that lefties believe the killing of judges who don't rule your way is A-ok.       They certainly believe that of policemen and representatives - see Bill Ayers.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 03, 2013 08:17 AM (urv6T)

188 "I've travelled extensively in Detroit, but not much any more. Just listen to the police dispatch radio and you will find out just how incredibly violent a city it is."

The really frightening thing about Detroit and places like it is what is NOT on the police radio. The sheer amount of crime and evil that's never reported or detected.

It's routine in Detroit to find dead bodies just lying around in vacant buildings and weedy lots. Bodies that have been there for a while.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 03, 2013 08:18 AM (gqT4g)

189 OT: To be fair, when you realize H2 means Hair Squared, it does explain the all Ancient Aliens, all the time format.
-
My secret shame.  Last night the episode was about how ancient aliens kill.ed the dinosaurs.  And I DVRd it! [Breaks down sobbing.]

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2013 08:18 AM (Hx5uv)

190 threatening a federal judge? on twitter? using your real, full name?

his union must be a real brain trust

Posted by: wow at December 03, 2013 08:18 AM (dthJ+)

191 You are, of course, correct. Defined contribution pensions are entirely possible, though I'm not sure where they'd be better than just saving and investing on your own. But it was sloppy of me not to make that distinction.

Posted by: Methos at December 03, 2013 12:11 PM (hO9ad)


Thanks. Yeah, I don't know if they would be "better" than having individuals saving and investing on their own. I'm sure a savvy and dedicated saver and investor could easily beat the rate of return on a public (or corporate/union) plan. But managing one's money in such detail takes skill, and time. A mandatory defined-contribution plan would provide at least some security for its members, and perhaps keep retirees off the welfare rolls.



I think a mix of public and private is the way to go, and pensions should be made portable, i.e., if you change employers, you can either continue in the pension plan you have, or have the net present value credited to the plan with your new employer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2013 08:19 AM (8Fl6F)

192 Perhaps we preemptively warded it off.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 12:16 PM (fWAjv)

 

*looks around*

 

Maybe.  But it won't last long. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:19 AM (4df7R)

193 Did they land on Park Place with Hotels? Knowing Detroit, they probably selected the thimble as the gamepiece.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 03, 2013 08:19 AM (Ec6wH)

194 When you subtract the Real Estate value of the city, they are only in debt $17.9 Billion. Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 12:14 PM (DqJMv) A good friend of mine grew up there. Her parents were married for almost 70 years, and she flew back to care for them while her brother who lived there stole their money to build an addition for his house and her other sister wanted to be an actress in LA. They both died in the past year after slowly deteriorating from Alzheimer's and other illnesses caused by aging. Now she has to figure out what to do with the house. I told her might as well hang on to it. You won't get much for selling it these days.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 08:19 AM (Y92Nd)

195 Well Iran might need a semi-realistic site to test their first A bomb Why not, they can stage out of Dearbornistan...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 08:19 AM (naUcP)

196 140 129 - NO! Huge cash payments to white people willing to move in!! --- Two words - Gay marriage!* * - I swear to God, this was an actual DC plotline at one point.

Posted by: Mayor Oliver Queen at December 03, 2013 08:20 AM (/Crba)

197 The fact of the matter is pensions are never possible in the long run
because the paying entity, public or private, is going to be paying
people for working as much as they can manage, and you get an increasing number of pensioneers who you're paying for doing nothing.
Posted by: Methos
................
Don't include private.. private pensions must pass rigorous testing each year.  And if the employer does not fund the pension for even one year, they face all kinds of penalties an face being taken over by PBGC.

Public pensions, conveniently, follow none of the rules private pension plans follow.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 03, 2013 08:20 AM (f9c2L)

198

My Dad's financial advisor mentioned that JPMorgan's advising all its high-wealth clients to get out of Munis. It's a moribund market.

I must admit, I still like the higher grade Munis, but nobody's buying them, so you have to hold to maturity.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 03, 2013 12:15 PM (Ec6wH)

 

 

Buy EURO Bonds!  They are backed by European Union! 

 

Just ask Cyprus and Greece. 

 

 

 

Posted by: deluded at December 03, 2013 08:20 AM (D+lxs)

199


With lunatics running the city like this, I guess we Conservatives should just take all the goddamn blame.


http://tinyurl.com/6s442z




Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at December 03, 2013 08:20 AM (HQml1)

200

91 Well Iran might need a semi-realistic site to test their first A bomb
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 12:01 PM (t3UFN)



But... how would they know if it worked?

 

 

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at December 03, 2013 12:15 PM (9hVHZ)

 

 

The meth    would be radioactive?

 

 

well, okay, MORE radioactive.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:20 AM (4df7R)

201 For any of you geeks who care, the House is holding hearings right now with a bunch of Constitutional scholars regrading Presidential powers and specifically how Obama has stretched or flat out broken the law. Even the liberal scholars are having trouble defending Obama's actions. CSPAN2. Gowdy is flat out kicking the shit out of Obama.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2013 08:20 AM (g1DWB)

202 Hey, doesnt jwest live in Michigan?


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:21 AM (GQ8sn)

203 I'm pretty sure that lefties believe the killing of judges who don't rule your way is A-ok.

Why not?  They want to kill state legislators, governors, Congresswomen, Senators, old people waving flags and "stop raising my taxes" signs, sitting Presidents, retired Presidents, Supreme Court justices, and VP candidates who lost.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 03, 2013 08:21 AM (/kI1Q)

204 Gowdy is flat out kicking the shit out of Obama.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2013 12:20 PM (g1DWB)

I wonder how much of that we'll see in the press tonight...

Remember when liberals HATED imperial presidents?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 03, 2013 08:21 AM (fwARV)

205 A good friend of mine grew up there. Her parents were married for almost 70 years, and she flew back to care for them while her brother who lived there stole their money to build an addition for his house and her other sister wanted to be an actress in LA. They both died in the past year after slowly deteriorating from Alzheimer's and other illnesses caused by aging. Now she has to figure out what to do with the house. I told her might as well hang on to it. You won't get much for selling it these days. --- She's probably best off deeding it over to the city at a certain point if it doesn't sell. The taxes on that property are going to be insane.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 08:22 AM (/Crba)

206

Why not, they can stage out of Dearbornistan...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 12:19 PM (naUcP)

 

 

 

By far, the closest you can come to the darkest corners of the middle east without leaving America.  I guess it's fitting really.

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2013 08:22 AM (BMEZ0)

207 I love how this fat little punk Dominic Nanni at Wayne State has fearfully redacted his tweet and this pleads with the feds and the PD not to drag his as to jail.
9:04 AM - 3 Dec 13 &middot; Details " data-you-follow="false" data-you-block="false">

My apologies if a previous tweet was taken out of context by many people.

9:03 AM - 3 Dec 13 &middot; Details " data-you-follow="false" data-you-block="false"> What my previous tweet should have said: if Judge Rhodes did ever come to , there would be many angry citizens here. End of story.

9:03 AM - 3 Dec 13 &middot; Details " data-you-follow="false" data-you-block="false">Clearly my previous tweet was taken out of context. cc: , , , .

He adds earlier..." HA. The local government in Detroit had nohing to do with its decline."

Wayne State...still pumping out critical thinkers, eh?


Posted by: anon at December 03, 2013 08:22 AM (rsPKs)

208 202 For any of you geeks who care, the House is holding hearings I don't get excited about these sorts of hearings anymore. They are the equivalent of a strongly-worded letter.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 08:22 AM (7ObY1)

209 Yoffe anon, Yoffe

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 08:22 AM (t3UFN)

210 Not to worry comrades . White guilt will save Detroit .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 03, 2013 08:23 AM (WK8VM)

211 Gowdy is flat out kicking the shit out of Obama. --- I wish I could view CSPAN on my phone at work. I'd go in on PPV to watch that happen in a literal sense. Make it a special UFC event.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 08:23 AM (/Crba)

212 For any of you geeks who care, the House is holding hearings right now with a bunch of Constitutional scholars regrading Presidential powers and specifically how Obama has stretched or flat out broken the law.


Another congressional circle jerk.  Call me when Articles of Impeachment have been approved.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 03, 2013 08:23 AM (8ZskC)

213 Posted by: anon at December 03, 2013 12:22 PM (rsPKs) --- Roll out the barrel...

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 03, 2013 08:23 AM (/Crba)

214 Oh my. SOMEbody's begging for the barrel.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 08:23 AM (7ObY1)

215 The sad part is that after bankruptcy, Detroit will have the same people in charge and start the process all over again.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 08:23 AM (LSJmV)

216 The weird thing is that downtown Detroit is a vibrant , desirable place.
During the day.

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 12:15 PM (m2CN7)


The monsters only come out at night...mostly.

Posted by: newt at December 03, 2013 08:23 AM (hO9ad)

217 >>I wonder how much of that we'll see in the press tonight... >>Remember when liberals HATED imperial presidents? Probably none. But it sure is entertaining and nice to know that there are at least some people in DC who believe in the Constitution.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2013 08:23 AM (g1DWB)

218

Two things will happen. As we've already seen, it's of course the Republicans fault somehow natch.

And Barky will just send a check from Uncle Sugar Daddy. Book it. (Same with Chitcago and CA too)

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 03, 2013 08:24 AM (5M2+1)

219 To add to the douchness of Elan - he made the shit up. The story of Elan Gale's Thanksgiving flight resonated with many travelers. Who hasn't wanted to tell a pushy and rude holiday passenger off, even through a series of passive-aggressive notes? Gale, a producer of ABC's "The Bachelor," caught the Internet's attention as he live-tweeted his feud, but now it seems as though the whole thing may have been a fantasy. http://tinyurl.com/mse9ezb

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:24 AM (fWAjv)

220

203 -

 

No, jwest lives in Imaginationland.

Posted by: g east at December 03, 2013 08:24 AM (TOk1P)

221 Bwahahshaha

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:24 AM (b2GYK)

222 It's the Republican's fault!
-
That and math and the GOP loves math.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2013 08:24 AM (Hx5uv)

223 Has SCOAMF ruled out a bailout yet? I mean, he won't ask Congress, cause that won't happen but I figure what the hell, this Administration's motto is "there is no problem in the world we can't fix with an executive order."


He did give them a mini-bailout of some sort for "renewal".


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:24 AM (GQ8sn)

224 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 11:44 AM (VtjlW) IANAL AtC, but aren't all debt agreements contractual agreements? Bankruptcy is a special case of what happens when you can't come anywhere near meeting your contractual agreements. I suspect the "cannot be diminished" is the stickler, but well...Math.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 03, 2013 08:25 AM (GaqMa)

225 "For those morons who have never been to Detroit, it's an eye opener. The rust-belt pics on the interwebs actually doesn't do it justice. It's sad really. They could film the next Mad Max movie there...if they cleaned the place up a little." Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2013 11:55 AM (BMEZ0) I grew up not far from Detroit. It's amazing how far it has fallen in just a few decades.

Posted by: NoBroccoli4U at December 03, 2013 08:25 AM (3p7iG)

226 My apologies if a previous tweet was taken out of context by many people. ----------- Out of context?!? The entirety of the tweet was posted. There is no "context." Yes, they either are stupid or they really think you are stupid. Or both.

Posted by: @JohnTant at December 03, 2013 08:26 AM (PFy0L)

227 anon - meet the barrel.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 03, 2013 08:26 AM (f9c2L)

228 please expect to either be beaten or run over. You have betrayed this city. #uniteblue — Dominic Nanni Has Dominic Nanni ever volunteered to pay more in taxes to help with the situation?

Posted by: t-bird at December 03, 2013 08:26 AM (FcR7P)

229 I think Detroit future should be hosting the real life version of the Hunger Games/Escape from "Detroit"/Mad Max teevee show.  Kinda like the Running Man teevee show, without Ahnuld.

Posted by: Jim Scrummy at December 03, 2013 08:27 AM (JpC1K)

230 The Unions chickens Have come home To roost Watch for federal bail out

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:27 AM (b2GYK)

231 Hopefully, the C.H.U.D.s are carving out a good deal. I wouldn't want them to have to leave their Detroit sewers.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 03, 2013 08:27 AM (Ec6wH)

232 Honestly, a guy writes something and then complains what he wrote was out of context. Taken out of context by whom, exactly? Himself?!

Posted by: @JohnTant at December 03, 2013 08:27 AM (PFy0L)

233

If  I remember  correctly,  the land area of Detroit is the largest of any metropolitan city.   That  causes logistics problems  in the best of cities.  When you are short staffed you can't help but become a wasteland.  

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 08:28 AM (m2CN7)

234 You know what would rescue Detroit?

School vouchers.

BOOM.
-
Legalize gambling, prostitution, pharmaceuticals, and contract killings.  You know, go with their strengths.

BOOM.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2013 08:29 AM (Hx5uv)

235 Also Obligatory: BUT THE JUDGE SENT HER RULING TO OBAMA! (I laughed my ass of when she got bench slapped by the federal court.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 03, 2013 08:29 AM (GaqMa)

236 Dominic Nanni Coffee Butter Powered Wannabe Political Scientist

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:29 AM (fWAjv)

237 #Hacked!!

Posted by: Dominic Nanni at December 03, 2013 08:29 AM (LSJmV)

238 "A glimpse into how badly Detroit has decayed. The Mark Twin branch of the Detroit Public Library system.
http://tinyurl.com/kbppysm
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 11:58 AM'


That was too depressing on too many levels....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 03, 2013 08:29 AM (knoK7)

239 I never cease to be amazed at the stupidity of people who hold the Fat Bastard Rino up as our best hope to win the Presidency. The fat fuck would be the greatest disaster since McCain. And not a fucking improvement over McCain either. In fact, a likely step down. I can't stand the greasy Zero dick sucking cockbite.

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 08:30 AM (xWW96)

240 My apologies if my previous moron comment was taken out of context by many people

Posted by: anon at December 03, 2013 08:30 AM (rsPKs)

241 Yup, Dominic Nanni just threatened a Federal Judge, publicly and in writing. That's 20 years in Federal Prison (well, but only if the law wasn't being enforced by left wing thugs) and his subsequent backtracking counts as a full confession to the charges. Smooth move, ex lax. but like I said, that's only if the law was actually being enforced and not just used as a plaything by idealogues, so he's probably safe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2013 08:30 AM (8Fa5Z)

242 Judge Rhodes, if you ever show your face in #Detroit, please expect to either be beaten or run over. You have betrayed this city. #uniteblue — Dominic Nanni (dpn) (@dominicnanni) December 3, 2013 I think most people expect that to happen to them if they set foot in Detroit...

Posted by: RomneyBot since 2007 at December 03, 2013 08:30 AM (4uMU0)

243 Mr. Nanni's latest: Dominic Nanni (dpn) ‏@dominicnanni 9m Geez, people. My tweet was a half-thought reaction to very personal news. I apologize and it was/is nothing more.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 08:30 AM (7ObY1)

244 Nothing wrong with Detroit that a brigade of heavy infantry couldn't fix . Hmm, looks at map , ponders distance from Ft. Riley to Detroit . Hmmm .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 03, 2013 08:31 AM (WK8VM)

245 JEF will bail them out Pubs will be too chicken to stop it

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:31 AM (b2GYK)

246

"...the bankruptcy process provides Detroit its only (slim) chance for survival as a major city...."

Slim just left town.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at December 03, 2013 08:31 AM (icBMk)

247 >> The vicious nastiness is whether Federal bankruptcy law supersedes that Michigan state constitutional provision. Two words: Supremacy Clause Bankruptcy is an honest-to-goodness Federal power. It's right there in the Constitution and everything. Article I, Section 8: ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States

Posted by: Andy at December 03, 2013 08:31 AM (bmm4a)

248 On the bright side, I gotta shitload of new Twitter followers!

Posted by: Dominic Nanni at December 03, 2013 08:32 AM (LSJmV)

249 My Dad's financial advisor mentioned that JPMorgan's advising all its high-wealth clients to get out of Munis. It's a moribund market. I must admit, I still like the higher grade Munis, but nobody's buying them, so you have to hold to maturity. Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 03, 2013 12:15 PM (Ec6wH) Everyone blames Coleman Young for Detroit's ultimate demise, but Kilpatrick played no small part. That $1.44 billion he borrowed to restructure pension fund debt could cost $2.8 billion over the next 22 years and now represents nearly one-fifth of the cityÂ’s debt... with Wall Street's blessing. Dems don't like to talk about how "evil banks" are in bed with corrupt blue state politicians, but it's insidious. Republicans should bring it up more.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 08:32 AM (Y92Nd)

250 If I remember correctly, the land area of Detroit is the largest of any metropolitan city.

It's smaller than Houston, Indianapolis, New Orleans, New York City, Los Angeles, Phoenix...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_area

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 03, 2013 08:32 AM (/kI1Q)

251 Posted by: anon at December 03, 2013 12:22 PM (rsPKs)

Amigo, the system here doesn't like text copied directly from webpages *or* Office (Word, Excel, etc ).

You need to copy and paste to Notepad or other plain text editor first. Then compose your message.

And finally, then copy and paste to the comment box here.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 03, 2013 08:32 AM (uCNam)

252 Good teachers and schools will turn Detroit around.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 12:10 PM (fWAjv)

El Wrongo.

Teachers and schools are like software.  Bad software can make even good input a mess.  But the best software is still subject to GIGO.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 03, 2013 08:32 AM (ZMzpb)

253 Nothing wrong with Detroit that a brigade of heavy infantry couldn't fix .
Hmm, looks at map , ponders distance from Ft. Riley to Detroit . Hmmm .


I wouldn't send good men into Detroit when we have artillery batteries for a reason.  My stepson and his crew could incinerate over half of Detroit before lunchtime.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:32 AM (GQ8sn)

254 JEF will bail them out


Pubs will be too chicken to stop it
***
That would be a damn good fight to have.

Obama's allies bankrupted Detroit...and now he wants to do the same thing to you.

But yeah...the current crop of Republicans would consider standing up to Der Fuhrer as extreme...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2013 08:33 AM (P3U0f)

255 Yikes. That picture from the library with the "Cities Under Stress" is especially kinda resonant...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 08:33 AM (naUcP)

256 Nothing wrong with Detroit that a brigade of heavy infantry couldn't fix .


Wo ist STEINER!!!!!!

Posted by: A. Hitler at December 03, 2013 08:33 AM (8ZskC)

257 This is going to sound really racist, and it probably is.  But what does it say when a large number of blacks simply want to be taken care of by whites?  By their very actions, deeds, and expectations,  aren't they very effectively demonstrating  the fact that what they  want is to be clothed, fed, housed, and generally kept up much like how  they were maintained  by their white overlords  back on the plantation?  Seriously, doesn't it really amount to  about the same thing when you think about it in it's simplest terms?

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2013 08:33 AM (BMEZ0)

258 248 I don't think he has that kind of clout now. He squandered all his political capital on Obamacare.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 08:33 AM (Y92Nd)

259 Clearly my previous tweet was taken out of context. cc: @FBIDEtroit, @FBIPressOffice, @detroitpolice, @MichStatePolice. Ha ha. Pussy.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:34 AM (fWAjv)

260 EC - MLRS

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 08:34 AM (B9up3)

261

248 -

 

No doubt.  Followed by  Congressional hearings, where Republicans accuse the President of executive overreach.  Angrily.  And sternly. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2013 08:34 AM (TOk1P)

262 This is going to sound really racist, and it probably is. But what does it say when a large number of blacks simply want to be taken care of by whites?


Not just whites, but everyone else.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:34 AM (GQ8sn)

263 Sell it at auction to Canada

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:34 AM (b2GYK)

264 Detroit is history. No saving it. It will end up a corn field. And that will be an improvement. Fuck Detroit.

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 08:34 AM (xWW96)

265 Geez, people. My tweet was a half-thought reaction to very personal news. I apologize and it was/is nothing more. -------- I wonder what he would say if someone threatened Obama with a bodily beating and then tweeted a passive aggressive "Sorry that you read that wrong" "apology-in-name-only" and got all defensive about it. Probably wouldn't be feeling all that charitable, I think.

Posted by: @JohnTant at December 03, 2013 08:34 AM (PFy0L)

266 I wouldn't send good men into Detroit when we have artillery batteries B52s for a reason. If you're going to do a thing, do it right.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 08:34 AM (naUcP)

267 Don't include private.. private pensions must pass rigorous testing each year. And if the employer does not fund the pension for even one year, they face all kinds of penalties an face being taken over by PBGC.

Private pensions just hide the inevitability of defined benefit plans' collapse better because companies can grow much faster than city and state governments (which start big and due to their parasitic effect, fast growth over any period impedes future growth). The problem will still come once they saturate their available market (or someone not wasting money on pensions undercuts their prices). This will always happen at some point because there are a finite number of people on the planet, much less whatever smaller portion of us are relevant to the company in question.

Posted by: newt at December 03, 2013 08:35 AM (hO9ad)

268 Detroit is history. No saving it. It will end up a corn field. So, no salting the fields then?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 08:35 AM (naUcP)

269 EC - MLRS


He hasn't gone to that school yet.  I think next spring.  What does 29 Palms have?

He's the lanyard puller on the 155.  Best job in the whole battery if you ask me.


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:35 AM (GQ8sn)

270
Article I, Section 8: ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States

___
the Constitution is not a clear document. Written 100 years ago, when America had 13 states and very different problems, it rarely speaks directly to the questions we ask it.

Like here, what the hell do uniforms have do to with anything? And I like organic stuff as much as anyone else...but is naturalization even a word??!

Posted by: Ezra Klein at December 03, 2013 08:35 AM (P3U0f)

271 And into the barrel goes anon. OT: To be fair, when you realize H2 means Hair Squared, it does explain the all Ancient Aliens, all the time format. - My secret shame. Last night the episode was about how ancient aliens kill.ed the dinosaurs. And I DVRd it! [Breaks down sobbing.] Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2013 12:18 PM (Hx5uv) Oh there's nothing secret about my love of Ancient Aliens. My dvr pretty much consists of Ancient Aliens, Sleepy Hollow, Almost Human and Arrow that I totes watch for the plot yuppers.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 08:35 AM (VtjlW)

272 No worries EC . First Infantry Division has lots of organic artillery and air assets . Not to mention a shit load of Abrams tanks. .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 03, 2013 08:36 AM (WK8VM)

273 If you're going to do a thing, do it right.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 12:34 PM (naUcP)



Yeah, that's true too.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:36 AM (GQ8sn)

274 I wouldn't send good men into Detroit when we have artillery batteries for a reason.

Obama's drone operators need practice.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 03, 2013 08:36 AM (/kI1Q)

275 Not just whites, but everyone else. Including others of that extraction. Which we sorta went over that dynamic earlier...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 08:37 AM (naUcP)

276 I scanned the comments and no one made a joke about how the Pistons and the Lions are going to lead Det-riot back to glory?

'Cause they totally are.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 08:37 AM (VjL9S)

277 255 Good teachers and schools will turn Detroit around.



Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 12:10 PM (fWAjv)

El Wrongo.

Teachers and schools are like software. Bad software can make even good input a mess. But the best software is still subject to GIGO.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 03, 2013 12:32 PM (ZMzpb)

 

He's mocking jwest the pedophile.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 08:37 AM (LI48c)

278 Its only fair They gave us Justin Beiber and Avril Lavigne

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:38 AM (b2GYK)

279 I never cease to be amazed at the stupidity of people who hold the Fat Bastard Rino up as our best hope to win the Presidency. The fat fuck would be the greatest disaster since McCain. And not a fucking improvement over McCain either. In fact, a likely step down. I can't stand the greasy Zero dick sucking cockbite. Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 12:30 PM (xWW96) Don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel People get sick of hearing how McCain was a war hero, but he was, and he stood up for the surge when it was really unpopular and the Iraq war itself hung around Bush's neck. He showed some principle, even if he's useless to conservatism.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 08:38 AM (Y92Nd)

280 Anybody check the Obamacare enrollment numbers for Detroit?  I'll wager the percentages are significantly higher.

Posted by: Fritz at December 03, 2013 08:38 AM (UzPAd)

281 Oh And Nickleback

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:38 AM (b2GYK)

282 I think we owe Detroit and their Dems an apology. Where else in America has a city been able to bend the cost curve on housing for its inhabitants?

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at December 03, 2013 08:38 AM (oDCMR)

283 But what does
it say when a large number of blacks simply want to be taken care of by
whites?
***
Given a choice, most people would rather live off the work of others then work themselves. It is why slavery has existed as far back in human history as we can trace...

Hell, the dynamic we see today of the rich Democrat "populares" bribing the dependent class with wealth from the productive class is exactly one of the things that destroyed the Roman Republic

Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2013 08:38 AM (P3U0f)

284 Anybody check the Obamacare Medicaid enrollment numbers for Detroit? I'll wager the percentages are significantly higher.


Fixed!

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:39 AM (GQ8sn)

285 Governor of Michigan, "Hello Barksdale.  Can we use 12 of your B-52s for an Arc Light mission?  Once we clear the insurance for blowing up Detroit, we will reimburse the Air Force."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 08:39 AM (B9up3)

286

Sell it at auction to Canada

 

I offer two bits!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 03, 2013 08:39 AM (NF2Bf)

287 irst Infantry Division has lots of organic artillery and air assets . Not to mention a shit load of Abrams tanks. .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 03, 2013 12:36 PM (WK8VM)


"Organic artillery"? Does it shoot free-range chickens?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2013 08:39 AM (8Fl6F)

288 Wow. Ted Cruz shutting down the government really had a ripple effect.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:39 AM (fWAjv)

289 >> Hell, the dynamic we see today of the rich Democrat "populares" bribing the dependent class with wealth from the productive class is exactly one of the things that destroyed the Roman Republic 1,000x this.

Posted by: Andy at December 03, 2013 08:39 AM (D3DoT)

290

Sell it at auction to Canada

 

They have to take Eminem, too.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 08:40 AM (6WbNd)

291 "Organic artillery"? Does it shoot free-range chickens?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2013 12:39 PM (8Fl6F)




Well, it's painted green.



Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:40 AM (GQ8sn)

292 We keep Kid Rock tho, or no deal

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:40 AM (b2GYK)

293 Oh there's nothing secret about my love of Ancient Aliens. My dvr pretty much consists of Ancient Aliens, Sleepy Hollow, Almost Human and Arrow that I totes watch for the plot yuppers.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 12:35 PM

Until there's a Boots Channel ....

http://tinyurl.com/kqglgnq



Posted by: kbdabear at December 03, 2013 08:40 AM (aTXUx)

294 Sell it at auction to Canada I offer two bits! Posted by: Lurking Canuck SOLD! To Red Green for two bits!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 08:41 AM (xZxMD)

295 His honor Mayor Kid Rock.

Posted by: redenzo at December 03, 2013 08:41 AM (HKTIg)

296 And Nickleback

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 12:38 PM (b2GYK)

They came from about 60 miles from my place. It's gotten a lot quieter since they left.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2013 08:41 AM (8Fl6F)

297 People get sick of hearing how McCain was a war hero, but he was, and he stood up for the surge when it was really unpopular and the Iraq war itself hung around Bush's neck. He showed some principle, even if he's useless to conservatism.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 12:38 PM (Y92Nd)

 

I don't know about principle.  I think it was just a manifestation to be at war with every country in the middle east, and he just got lucky.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 08:41 AM (LI48c)

298 SOLD! To Red Green for two bits!

Posted by: rickb223

 

Gonna be a beautiful weekend for trebuchet target practice!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 03, 2013 08:41 AM (NF2Bf)

299 I just saw Governor Chris Christie on t.v., he reminds me of Peter Griffin from Family Guy. If he's the nominee I'm staying home.

Posted by: bopiddy at December 03, 2013 08:41 AM (AAqOQ)

300 Sell it at auction to Canada Brrr! Too cold up there in Detroit.

Posted by: Windsor, Canada at December 03, 2013 08:41 AM (FcR7P)

301 Sell it at auction to Canada

I offer two bits!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 03, 2013 12:39 PM (NF2Bf)

Well, OK, but you've got to pay to haul it away.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2013 08:42 AM (Hx5uv)

302

I used to hold much disdain for Canada. But now I have a Canadian girlfriend. She is flying down to brighten my New Year.

Oh! Canada!

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 08:42 AM (xWW96)

303 meanwhile in upstate NY, all the workers at the Chinese restaurant I was just at were laughing their asses off about Biden visiting Asia

Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at December 03, 2013 08:42 AM (RLTt1)

304 >>>>There's a shitload of commenters out there who think capitalism is bad and subscribe to the lefty crapola. It's depressing. Are we in a bubble here? >>>>

No. THEY'RE in a bubble that's popping on municipal county, state, and national levels.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at December 03, 2013 08:42 AM (KJAri)

305 Two words: Supremacy Clause Bankruptcy is an honest-to-goodness Federal power. It's right there in the Constitution and everything. Article I, Section 8: ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States Posted by: Andy at December 03, 2013 12:31 PM (bmm4a) Incredibly fast and dirty and skimming just over the very very top of it, the issue is whether or not a state constitution can carve out something as being immune from bankruptcy. To say that's oversimplifying it is a bit of an understatement but that's the gist of it. Gut reaction is full field preemption which would be the best case scenario as that's fairly well established precedent. Further gut reaction is reality. That which cannot be repaid will not be. I would feel worse for the people who are getting screwed over by this were it not for the fact that the problems have been obvious for 40+ years.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 08:42 AM (VtjlW)

306

If he's the nominee I'm staying home.

 

 

Is that the first one of the 2016 cycle?

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 08:43 AM (6WbNd)

307 Shoots heritage turkeys . You do not want to get hit with a frozen 20 lb. bird at 2800 fps .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 03, 2013 08:43 AM (WK8VM)

308 At least the citizens of Detroit can finally get access to affordable health care.

Posted by: Chad Henderson - Cockjockey at December 03, 2013 08:43 AM (LSJmV)

309 With $18 billion, they could have built a high-speed monorail system from Detroit, Michigan to Orlando, Florida.  Imagine, hundreds of cars filled with passengers listening to the same infinite loop of "It's A Small World, After All".

Posted by: mrp at December 03, 2013 08:43 AM (HjPtV)

310 We are becoming a Banana Republic. Without bananas.

Posted by: USA at December 03, 2013 08:43 AM (VIaw0)

311

The REASON you send in the Infantry is because there might be cats and dogs worth saving. 

 

None of you nitwits in the remf artillary units, or air farce bombers are  willing  to get your boots dirty.  You think blowing stuff up from a distance is warfare.

 

It ain't. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2013 08:43 AM (TOk1P)

312 Governor of Michigan, "Hello Barksdale. Can we use 12 of your B-52s for an Arc Light mission? Once we clear the insurance for blowing up Detroit, we will reimburse the Air Force." Problem: Everything flammable has already burned. The Buffs would literally be making the rubble bounce.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 03, 2013 08:43 AM (659DL)

313 They have to take the people too No bussing them to Texas

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:43 AM (b2GYK)

314 If I remember correctly, the land area of Detroit is the largest of any metropolitan city. That causes logistics problems in the best of cities. When you are short staffed you can't help but become a wasteland. Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 12:28 PM (m2CN7) I believe that honor belongs to Jacksonville, FLA. Unless you're using "metropolitan" as a disqualifier.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at December 03, 2013 08:44 AM (9hVHZ)

315 People get sick of hearing how McCain was a war hero, but he was, and he stood up for the surge when it was really unpopular and the Iraq war itself hung around Bush's neck. He showed some principle, even if he's useless to conservatism. Yeah, Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 08:44 AM (naUcP)

316 Aliens killed the dinosaurs?

Fuck.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 03, 2013 08:44 AM (/kI1Q)

317

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 03, 2013 12:32 PM (/kI1Q)

 

Obviously I did not remember correctly.   Of course my information that I thought  I recalled was the piece  on Detroit  by 60 minutes.   I'm going to go ahead  and blame it on them even if its not their fault.  

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 08:44 AM (m2CN7)

318 We'll offer you Yanks a sack full of Loonies and a truckload of back bacon and maple syrup for the Motor City. Maybe we can build a hockey rink there or something, eh?

Posted by: Canada at December 03, 2013 08:44 AM (7ObY1)

319 "If you're going to do a thing, do it right. Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 12:34 PM"

Nuke the site from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 03, 2013 08:45 AM (knoK7)

320 I used to hold much disdain for Canada. But now I have a Canadian girlfriend. She is flying down to brighten my New Year.
Oh! Canada!

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 12:42 PM (xWW96)


Ask her to bring some poutine.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:45 AM (GQ8sn)

321 We are becoming a Banana Republic.
Without bananas.
***
Drop the becoming part...oh and we may not have bananas, but we do have a white house full of fruits and nuts...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2013 08:45 AM (P3U0f)

322 SOLD! To Red Green for two bits!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 12:41 PM (xZxMD)

There ain't enough duct tape in the entire world to fix Detroit.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 03, 2013 08:45 AM (8Fl6F)

323 He showed some principle, even if he's useless to conservatism. Yeah. *That* matters. [/sarcasm]

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 03, 2013 08:45 AM (PMGbu)

324 Army wrecks shit and then lives in it Air force wrecks shit and flys home for a steak and a beer

Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 08:46 AM (b2GYK)

325 How is the cop on Almost Human still on the force?

I mean, he's taken down a major illegal sexbot ring, he saved like 15 hostages from death and took down a serious high-power theft org, and now he's taken down a super-secret major drug kingpin who was also the police captain of another precinct.

John McClane and Robocop have nothing on this guy.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 08:46 AM (VjL9S)

326 Aliens killed the dinosaurs?
___
Dude, I'm not saying I killed the dinosaurs...but I killed dinosaurs.

Posted by: Anthropogenic global warming at December 03, 2013 08:46 AM (P3U0f)

327 Federal bailout of liberal constituencies in 5...4...3...2...

Posted by: --- at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (MMC8r)

328 How is the cop on Almost Human still on the force?


He's half-man, half-robot himself.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (GQ8sn)

329 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 11:44 AM (VtjlW) That's what I read, too. I won't say anymore b/c I'd have to denounce myself.

Posted by: Y-not at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (zDsvJ)

330
I don't know that they (the courts) will dip into the actual pensions or not, but new additions to those pensions are sure gonna be hard to come by.

Time to call in OCP.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (caCiW)

331 A story about Detroit BREAKING? I thought they were already broke. Sorry, I'll show myself out.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (LSJmV)

332 Aliens killed the dinosaurs?

Fuck
-
Must a been one hell of a barbeque.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (Hx5uv)

333 1. My favorite part of the Detroit debacle? The Pension Board's 13th month check. If things were going good, the 13th month  check was a share of the profits. If things were going bad, you got it to help pay your bills because you obviously needed it.

2.  If you visit  downtown Detroit , it's relatively safe. And, after business hours outside of the entertainment district, it is empty. But safe.

However, if you venture a street or two away, it's effing barter town, and if the rabid wild dogs don't get you, the crack addicts will.

But you should know that.

/also, word on the street is that Rhodes is a good guy. Understands "math."

Posted by: shibumi at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (25HWz)

334

I just saw Governor Chris Christie on t.v., he reminds me of Peter Griffin from Family Guy. If he's the nominee I'm staying home.

Posted by: bopiddy at December 03, 2013 12:41 PM (AAqOQ)

 

 

 

Vote Libertarian --- or even for the bastard Democrat.  VOTE!!!

 

Vote for the good people Down Ticket. 

 

There is a reason Republican Congress Critters do better in the non Presidential years. 

Posted by: deluded at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (D+lxs)

335

How is the cop on Almost Human still on the force?

 

*stern look*

 

Because he is Karl. Fucking. Urban.

 

That's all he needs.

 

*goes to paw at pictures of Karl fucking Urban some more*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:47 AM (4df7R)

336 Incredibly fast and dirty and skimming just over the very very top of it, the issue is whether or not a state constitution can carve out something as being immune from bankruptcy. To say that's oversimplifying it is a bit of an understatement but that's the gist of it.


Gut reaction is full field preemption which would be the best case scenario as that's fairly well established precedent. Further gut reaction is reality. That which cannot be repaid will not be.


I would feel worse for the people who are getting screwed over by this were it not for the fact that the problems have been obvious for 40+ years.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 12:42 PM (VtjlW)



Uhhhh.....words....words...words....



Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:48 AM (GQ8sn)

337 He's mocking jwest the pedophile.

Gotcha, thanks for putting me some effin' knowledge.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 03, 2013 08:48 AM (ZMzpb)

338 I killed the dinosaurs

Fuckin' stupid lizards were shitting all over my garden

Posted by: God at December 03, 2013 08:48 AM (aTXUx)

339

People get sick of hearing how McCain was a war hero, but he was,.....

 

 

------------

 

This is a no bullshit, in-all-seriousness question.

 

How, exactly, was he a "war hero?"

Posted by: @JohnTant at December 03, 2013 08:48 AM (PFy0L)

340 For AlextheChick some ancient aliens.
http://tinyurl.com/kkzgfut

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 08:48 AM (B9up3)

341

331 How is the cop on Almost Human still on the force?

 

Because... He is The Law.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 08:49 AM (LI48c)

342 330 Army wrecks shit and then lives in it


Air force wrecks shit and flys home for a steak and a beer



Posted by: thunderb at December 03, 2013 12:46 PM (b2GYK)

 

 

 

 

You might try that line on some B-17 or B-26 crews who flew missions over Germany. A whole lotta them didn't go home at all. Sone got to try out the Kraut hospitality. ball turret anyone?

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 08:49 AM (xWW96)

343 Hey MWR and AtC!

I hear that Victor Garber has signed on to play Ichabod's dad on Sleepy Hollow.

I would have preferred Michael Caine for the laughs. 

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:49 AM (GQ8sn)

344 "Ask her to bring some poutine."

Ask her about last year's Masters Curling Championships.

Posted by: mrp at December 03, 2013 08:49 AM (HjPtV)

345 Two words: Supremacy Clause +++++++++++++++++++++++ Weren't the Supremes from Detroit? Circle of life man...

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 08:49 AM (LSJmV)

346 Does anyone know if  the PBGC deals  with public pensions or only private pensions?   That's another way of asking if the Feds will be given an opening to bail out the pension debts.

Posted by: MTF at December 03, 2013 08:49 AM (B5y+v)

347

People get sick of hearing how McCain was a war hero, but he was, and he stood up for the surge when it was really unpopular and the Iraq war itself hung around Bush's neck. He showed some principle, even if he's useless to conservatism.

 

The problem with    McCain is that he is not discerning about his hawkishness.        He was all gung-ho for storming into Syria, too.      It's not so much principle as habit.     He seems to feel that there's nothing our military    shouldn't be involved in on the world stage.   That's incredibly stupid.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:49 AM (4df7R)

348 324 We'll offer you Yanks a sack full of Loonies and a truckload of back bacon and maple syrup for the Motor City. Maybe we can build a hockey rink there or something, eh? Posted by: Canada at December 03, 2013 12:44 PM (7ObY1) we'll take it, but on one condition. you get the keep it's citizens.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at December 03, 2013 08:50 AM (HEa5q)

349

Teachers' pensions are protected in the MI state constitution.  Still, as has been said, if it can't be paid, it won't be.

It's unlikely teachers' pensions are fully funded.  The dance is the argument between the district and the union is full of fire.  In reality, since the district isn't going to have to pony up any money while the clowns doing the negotiating are still around, the pension and retirement bennies go up.  But actually funding it is hard. Math is hard.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at December 03, 2013 08:50 AM (0EYmc)

350 Weren't the Supremes from Detroit? Circle of life man... Yeah. Barry Gordy was smart enough to get Motown Records the hell out of Motown back in the Seventies.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 08:51 AM (7ObY1)

351 This is going to sound really racist, and it probably is. But what does it say when a large number of blacks simply want to be taken care of by whites? By their very actions, deeds, and expectations, aren't they very effectively demonstrating the fact that what they want is to be clothed, fed, housed, and generally kept up much like how they were maintained by their white overlords back on the plantation? Seriously, doesn't it really amount to about the same thing when you think about it in it's simplest terms?

 

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2013 12:33 PM (BMEZ0)

 

I've said it before - if you really want to see the Detroit mindset, watch Hardcore Pawn.  Yes, it's a "reality" show, and yes, some of it is scripted, but the sense of victimization and entitlement oozes out of the people who come in to pawn things.  Every Klan stereotype of the shiftless black is reinforced by that show.  And these people vote!  Detroit is what it is in no small part because of them. 

 

What I wouldn't give for the ability to strip the electoral franchise from about 50% of this country.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 08:51 AM (zF6Iw)

352 Everytime I watch Ancient Aliens (and that's nearly everytime I scan past it) I find myself saying, "why am I watching this? This is so damned silly."

I do want to know what kind of scratch an "Ancient Astronaut Theorist" pulls down and how one goes about getting qualified as such. (I got a feeling it's as rigorous as a self-designation.)

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 08:52 AM (VjL9S)

353

How, exactly, was he a "war hero?"

 

 

He'd be my hero if he'd retire and shut the fuck up.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 08:52 AM (6WbNd)

354

Hey MWR and AtC!


I hear that Victor Garber has signed on to play Ichabod's dad on Sleepy Hollow.



I would have preferred Michael Caine for the laughs.


 

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 12:49 PM (GQ8sn)

 

 

OOH YAY!   I like Garber.     He's always good in everything I've seen him in.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 08:52 AM (4df7R)

355 354 324 We'll offer you Yanks a sack full of Loonies and a truckload of back bacon and maple syrup for the Motor City. Maybe we can build a hockey rink there or something, eh? Posted by: Canada at December 03, 2013 12:44 PM (7ObY1) we'll take it, but on one condition. you get the keep it's citizens. We suppose we could send them up to the Yukon to work on the oil pipeline or something. They do know how to work, eh? No? Rethinking...

Posted by: Canada at December 03, 2013 08:52 AM (7ObY1)

356 So, can the Dems stop this?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 03, 2013 08:52 AM (ZPrif)

357 People get sick of hearing how McCain was a war hero, but he was, and he stood up for the surge when it was really unpopular and the Iraq war itself hung around Bush's neck. He showed some principle, even if he's useless to conservatism. The problem with McCain is that he is not discerning about his hawkishness. He was all gung-ho for storming into Syria, too. It's not so much principle as habit. He seems to feel that there's nothing our military shouldn't be involved in on the world stage. That's incredibly stupid. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 03, 2013 12:49 PM (4df7R) Look he is a senile old bastard who's time has come and gone. You know it, I know it, it's just he doesn't know it and his family probably does not want the drooling bastard around so they keep him in Washington DC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 08:53 AM (t3UFN)

358 The problem with McCain is that he is not discerning about his hawkishness. He was all gung-ho for storming into Syria, too. It's not so much principle as habit. He seems to feel that there's nothing our military shouldn't be involved in on the world stage. That's incredibly stupid.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 03, 2013 12:49 PM (4df7R)

 

 

 

 

He's probably just hoping that he can get a chance again to actually complete a mission without getting shot down, crashing,  or burning up his own carrier.  Admiral's boy...

Posted by: Havedash at December 03, 2013 08:53 AM (BMEZ0)

359 I have my first cold since last Feb. and haven't had coffee today so it's kind of hard for me to work up the schadenboner over Detwah.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 03, 2013 08:53 AM (VxV3H)

360 Obama Administration to force each American to send $100 to Detroit. Because it's a tax, wingnutz.

Posted by: --- at December 03, 2013 08:53 AM (MMC8r)

361 I do want to know what kind of scratch an "Ancient Astronaut Theorist" pulls down and how one goes about getting qualified as such. (I got a feeling it's as rigorous as a self-designation.)

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 12:52 PM (VjL9S

 

Experts on Nostradamus's prophecies look down on ancient astronaut theorists.  Or maybe its the other way around.  Either way I chuckle at that thought.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 08:53 AM (LI48c)

362 The Judge is "Steve Rhodes"? I thought he became a park ranger?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 08:54 AM (t3UFN)

363 Federal bailout of liberal constituencies in 5...4...3...2...
***
The point of the Democrat party is to take from the productive class and enrich themselves so...yeah...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2013 08:54 AM (P3U0f)

364

 People get sick of hearing how McCain was a war hero, but he was, and he stood up for the surge when it was really unpopular and the Iraq war itself hung around Bush's neck. He showed some principle, even if he's useless to conservatism.

Surviving  being a POW is a testament to a person's  character but I don't know if I would label  that as heroic. Its not that its less than being heroic , just different.    Doing something heroic while  being a POW would change that which many did .   I don't know if McCain did anything that would qualify.    And in regard to the surge,    it was McCain's ego  I believe  that  had him stand up for the surge  based on his criticism  when they did not implement it as he wanted.  That said it all. 

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 08:55 AM (m2CN7)

365

Benedict Arnold was a war hero too.

 

At some  point you have to BUILD on your successes, or people are going to start paying more attention to your faults and failings as the years go on. 

Posted by: BurtTC at December 03, 2013 08:55 AM (TOk1P)

366 I used to hold much disdain for Canada. Same here. Until I visited twice. Honestly some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 08:55 AM (xZxMD)

367

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 12:54 PM (t3UFN)

 

 

He was 'Rhoades', not 'Rhodes'.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 08:56 AM (6WbNd)

368 The problem with McCain is that McCain is the problem.

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 08:56 AM (xWW96)

369 $18 BILLION in debt. One city. Damn. With that kind of money they could have had 36 semi-operable websites.

Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 08:56 AM (fWAjv)

370 How, exactly, was he a "war hero?"
-
Shot down over North Vietnam, he was imprisoned for years in the infamous Hanoi Hilton.  Since his dad was a big admiral mucku muck, the commie would have allowed him to go home for the propaganda value.  He refused to be released and was subject to years more of torture which has resulted in serious damage to his arms.

I don't like him either but he is a legitimate hero, not a John F. Kerry..

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2013 08:56 AM (Hx5uv)

371 Taint on Taint Ted Danson stars as Dr. Aneus Taint, part time proctologist, part time reporter, part time detective, looking for love in a post-apocalyptic Detroit. Premieres on CBS in January.

Posted by: X at December 03, 2013 08:56 AM (KHo8t)

372 How is the cop on Almost Human still on the force?

Posted by: RoyalOil

The premiere had him kick a robot partner out of a patrol car whilst driving on a highway.

Sorry, that automatically earns the show a Dipshit Award. When you make your protag a smacktard dipshit in the first few minutes, I cease to have any interest.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 03, 2013 08:56 AM (uCNam)

373 I killed the dinosaurs Fuckin' stupid lizards were shitting all over my garden Posted by: God You made 'em. Just sayin'.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 08:56 AM (xZxMD)

374 368 The Judge is "Steve Rhodes"? I thought he became a park ranger?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 12:54 PM (t3UFN)

 

Eventually a dean of a college.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 08:57 AM (LI48c)

375 Math is hard.

You'd think people who teach high school math would have a passing familiarity, but my understanding is that's not actually required for the license.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 03, 2013 08:57 AM (/kI1Q)

376 375 Well played.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 08:57 AM (LSJmV)

377

The REASON you send in the Infantry is because there might be cats and dogs worth saving.

 

The dogs are all chasing homeless bums with shopping carts full of copper.  And I hate cats.  So. . .

 

Brother Cavil, the word is given.  Bomb 'em if you got 'em.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 08:57 AM (zF6Iw)

378 Great ref, though. 

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 08:57 AM (6WbNd)

379 I believe that honor belongs to Jacksonville, FLA. Unless you're using "metropolitan" as a disqualifier.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at December 03, 2013 12:44 PM (9hVHZ)


Sitka, Alaska is actually the largest by land area. Of course the reason for that is that they just annexed the entire island where the city is located. And the population density barely registers.

Posted by: joncelli at December 03, 2013 08:58 AM (RD7QR)

380 []iDoing something heroic while being a POW would change that which many did . I don't know if McCain did anything that would qualify.


He refused special treatment when he was chosen to be released early because the NVA found out he was the son of an admiral.  He chose to stay and endure more torture instead of taking the easy out.  I would say he was a hero in the eyes of his fellow prisoners for doing that.


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 08:58 AM (GQ8sn)

381 I got a 1-year contract to work in Detroit recently. I lasted three weeks. Walking a couple blocks to and from work every day will do it to ya pretty quickly in downtown Detroit.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 03, 2013 08:59 AM (sjuby)

382 My stepson and his crew could incinerate over half of Detroit before lunchtime.

How would you be able to tell?

Posted by: Ian S. at December 03, 2013 08:59 AM (B/VB5)

383 Cannibalistic Humanoid Underwater Detroiters

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 03, 2013 08:59 AM (Ec6wH)

384 I saw Bankruptcy open for Up With People in '82 at Jones Hall. Not sure who booked that confusing mess.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 08:59 AM (LSJmV)

385 I was watching that Civilization Lost the other night. That was neat.

I have an idea that there really is a whole crapload of stuff about the ancients we have no clue about.

It's like this: They have hypothesized that a hunter-gatherer society had to devote around 15% to 20% of their time meeting their food needs. The rest was free time. Just what the hell do you think they were doing with their spare time? 3 hours a day working, the rest: Fucking, scheming and thinking.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 08:59 AM (VjL9S)

386 352 Does anyone know if the PBGC deals with public pensions or only private pensions? That's another way of asking if the Feds will be given an opening to bail out the pension debts.

Posted by: MTF at December 03, 2013 12:49 PM (B5y+v)



I believe its only private pensions... municipalities and states are not bound to ERISA


However, when the PBGC takes over, all pensions get CUT to PBGC levels, which are quite minimalist in comparison to typical union pension plans.  Just cutting Detroit's pension plan levels to PBGC standards might actually make Detroit somewhat viable.  Along with massive layoffs, tax cuts, etc.

Posted by: phreshone at December 03, 2013 09:00 AM (Pr6hk)

387 Time to for the closing scenes (stolen from another Ace commenter, from long ago): The sun sinks to the west ... The UAW bosses retreat to one of their golf course country clubs NW of the Metro Detroit area ... The lights go out in building after building and house after house ... A few doors away from the only street corner with a working street light for blocks, a liquor store's neon sign flicker's on ... A couple of City of The Detroit union leaders in a booth in an empty roadside diner on I-75 ... ... and music (courtesy of Journey): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBEXSiFzOfU

Posted by: Arbalest at December 03, 2013 09:00 AM (FlRtG)

388 Democrats, learning math one failed metropolis at a time.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 03, 2013 09:00 AM (ZshNr)

389 I'm reading about that young girl in Portland who was stopped from selling mistletoe to help her dad pay for her braces. So bright, so enterprising, so hard working, so wise beyond her years. So, of course, she must be crushed by the Commies. Fuck fuckity fuck fuck.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 09:00 AM (7ObY1)

390 He refused special treatment when he was chosen to be released early because the NVA found out he was the son of an admiral. He chose to stay and endure more torture instead of taking the easy out. I would say he was a hero in the eyes of his fellow prisoners for doing that.


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 12:58 PM (GQ8sn)

 

 

 

 

Yes, and now he is making US heros, as we choose to stay and endure his back stabbing and damage rather than leaving for the Klondike.

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 09:00 AM (xWW96)

391 Damn. With that kind of money they could have had 36 semi-operable websites. Posted by: RWC at December 03, 2013 12:56 PM (fWAjv) Hear the latest? The 'Tech Surge'??? 6 People.... and a lot of money to the companies that did not deliver a working product in the first place.... /facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 03, 2013 09:00 AM (lZBBB)

392

I mean, he's taken down a major illegal sexbot ring,

 

Wait, what?

 

Were they hot?  Easily affordable?  Could you buy a customizing package?

 

Dammit, Japan, get on the fucking nut!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 09:00 AM (zF6Iw)

393 >>>I find it highly instructive that the left would rather see the city's last dollar used to pay a union pension benefit

And then those benefits cease entirely by law of necessity rather than curtail and sustain. Yes this has been very instructive. Progressivism won't relent until everything is destroyed, the stones are scattered, and the Earth is salted where prosperity once stood. That is the only end for them. All things after all must end. That is what progressivism means, more speedy progress toward that end of all things.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 03, 2013 09:01 AM (0q2P7)

394 I'm reading about that young girl in Portland who was stopped from selling mistletoe to help her dad pay for her braces. So bright, so enterprising, so hard working, so wise beyond her years. So, of course, she must be crushed by the Commies. Fuck fuckity fuck fuck. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 01:00 PM (7ObY1) yeah I saw that story: Weasel Zippers Shows what is wrong with America.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 09:01 AM (t3UFN)

395 It's like this: They have hypothesized that a hunter-gatherer society had to devote around 15% to 20% of their time meeting their food needs. The rest was free time. Just what the hell do you think they were doing with their spare time? 3 hours a day working, the rest: Fucking, scheming and thinking.


So, pretty much what the FSA does already?


Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 09:01 AM (GQ8sn)

396 278 If you're going to do a thing, do it right.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 12:34 PM
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Don't we have a few "retired" Minuteman missiles laying around?  Just sayin.

Posted by: irright at December 03, 2013 09:01 AM (pMGkg)

397 9/18/2013 At a closed summit in Detroit, US officials pledged $300 million to help the nation's largest-ever bankrupt city invest in infrastructure, public safety and transit, and begin eradicating blight. But don't call it a bail out!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 03, 2013 09:01 AM (R8hU8)

398
Math is a HoneyBadger.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 03, 2013 09:02 AM (caCiW)

399 "So, of course, she must be crushed by the Commies.

Fuck fuckity fuck fuck.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 01:00 PM"


Take heart...Portland is making conservatives, one disillusioned little kid at a time.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 03, 2013 09:02 AM (knoK7)

400 >>Same here. Until I visited twice. Honestly some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet.

Yes/no. The niceness is being polite, the politeness is a means to keep others at arm's length and smooth over social interactions. Americans are, in general, much more personable and become familiar quickly. Canadians, like some other euros, will almost always put you off if they perceive you as being too familiar. Part of that amounts to class concerns since they haven't any pretense of not having class distinctions.

Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at December 03, 2013 09:02 AM (RLTt1)

401 Too funny! ‏@HealthDotGov (this is a parody acct.) Related: Here's a view of the inside of our web site: Pic: http://tinyurl.com/lu85prw

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 03, 2013 09:02 AM (bCEmE)

402 398 I mean, he's taken down a major illegal sexbot ring,

Wait, what?

Were they hot? Easily affordable? Could you buy a customizing package?
==========
Yes to all.

Also: Programed to be dumb and horny.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 03, 2013 09:03 AM (VjL9S)

403 372 I used to hold much disdain for Canada. Same here. Until I visited twice. Honestly some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet. Their strip joints kick serious fucking ass. We call them "The Canadian Ballet."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 09:03 AM (7ObY1)

404 Anyone who isn't feeling particularly bonerific today ponder this, the House committee is having serious discussions regarding the abuse of power by the Obama regime and the "I" word is being used liberally. Not gonna amount to anything but just hearing Obama and impeachment in the same sentence makes me feel funny down there.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2013 09:03 AM (g1DWB)

405 398 I mean, he's taken down a major illegal sexbot ring,

Wait, what?

Were they hot? Easily affordable? Could you buy a customizing package?

Dammit, Japan, get on the fucking nut!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 01:00 PM (zF6Iw)

 

Don't worry.  He didn't do anything about the legal sexbot rings.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 09:04 AM (LI48c)

406

The Judge is "Steve Rhodes"? I thought he became a park ranger?

 

Speaking of which, for EoJ  and other theatre fags -  in February there is going to be a  concert version of the musical Titanic at Avery Hall, featuring a number of original performers, including David Garrison as J. Bruce Ismay.

 

I've got my ticket.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 09:04 AM (zF6Iw)

407 It's like this: They have hypothesized that a hunter-gatherer society had to devote around 15% to 20% of their time meeting their food needs. The rest was free time. Just what the hell do you think they were doing with their spare time? 3 hours a day working, the rest: Fucking, scheming and thinking. Posted by: RoyalOil Bah. "They" have never hunted. It's more like 50% to 60% of their time spent hunting. That's why it's called hunting & not catching.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 09:04 AM (xZxMD)

408 For AlextheChick some ancient aliens. http://tinyurl.com/kkzgfut Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 12:48 PM (B9up3) Man, I miss Bat Boy. Yaaaaay Victor Garber! Please tell me he's going to be reincarnated via idk I Ching and then he can show up and be all the badass.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 09:04 AM (VtjlW)

409 Because... He is The Law.

Blasphemy!  I am The Law.

Posted by: God-Emporer Obama at December 03, 2013 09:05 AM (YEelc)

410 Their strip joints kick serious fucking ass.

We call them "The Canadian Ballet."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 01:03 PM (7ObY1)



Hungarian strippers FTW.  Just as gorgeous as the Russian and former east-bloc wimmiz, but zero attitude.



Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 09:05 AM (GQ8sn)

411 I think Canada legalized prostitution a few years back too.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 09:06 AM (GQ8sn)

412 Hell, the dynamic we see today of the rich Democrat "populares" bribing the dependent class with wealth from the productive class is exactly one of the things that destroyed the Roman Republic Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2013 12:38 PM (P3U0f) And this is because in 1964 we departed from the norm of requiring the payment of taxes before one could vote. I count that as the year the nation committed suicide.

Posted by: Detroit at December 03, 2013 09:06 AM (bb5+k)

413 *shakes internets* GIVE ME TIMBITS. NOW NOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNWONOW *shakes internets harder*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 09:06 AM (VtjlW)

414 >> Gut reaction is full field preemption which would be the best case scenario as that's fairly well established precedent. Yup. >> There is a Michigan state constitutional provision that states as follows: "The accrued financial benefits of each pension plan and retirement system of the state and its political subdivisions shall be a contractual obligation thereof which shall not be diminished or impaired thereby." Article XI Section 24 I guess their argument was that this state constitutional provision bars every city and town in Michigan from seeking protection under Chapter 9, since that would be the act by which they "diminished or impaired" the pensions (i.e., in turning them over to the Federal Bankruptcy Court, which in turn has the power to avoid them). Good luck with that. See "uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States". I'm highly confident SCOTUS would rule that the phrase "and its political subdivisions" in that provision needs an asterisk.

Posted by: Andy at December 03, 2013 09:06 AM (qeZS7)

415 I saw Fucking, Scheming and Thinking open for Dino, Desi and Billy in '67.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 09:06 AM (zF6Iw)

416 Were they hot? Easily affordable? Could you buy a customizing package?

Yes, yes, and yes.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 03, 2013 09:07 AM (B/VB5)

417 /also, word on the street is that Rhodes is a good guy. Understands "math."

So racist

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2013 09:07 AM (cLM8I)

418 406 >>Same here. Until I visited twice. Honestly some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet.

Yes/no. The niceness is being polite, the politeness is a means to keep others at arm's length and smooth over social interactions. Americans are, in general, much more personable and become familiar quickly. Canadians, like some other euros, will almost always put you off if they perceive you as being too familiar. Part of that amounts to class concerns since they haven't any pretense of not having class distinctions.

Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at December 03, 2013 01:02 PM (RLTt1)

 

You know if you read some of the stuff about "what are foreigners surprised about in America" a lot of them mention American's friendly nature that is about just like your description of Canadians.  So apparently we do it as well up to a certain point.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 09:07 AM (LI48c)

419 Japan is building human female looking robots.  Then there are the traveling giant women robots that can be operated by two players.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2013 09:07 AM (B9up3)

420

OT, but what the hell is wrong with drivers in Europe?   I mean, can they not drive?  Is that it?   Why are they always having these massive pile-ups?

 

The story's linked at Drudge, over at Fox News, but here's the gist:

 

1 Dead, 54 Injured in foggy 100-car pile-up in Belgium

BRUSSELS –  About 100 cars and trucks were involved in three pile-ups at a highway in western Belgium in a dense morning fog Tuesday, leaving at least one dead and 54 injured.

 

Medical workers were working to free injured passengers from the twisted metal of their vehicles hours after the crash, and the fog is making the emergency rescue by helicopter impossible.

 

The provincial governor, Carl Decaluwe, said one person had died, and that among the 54 injured, five were in life-threatening condition, 11 suffered serious injured while 38 walked away with minor injuries...

 

 

I mean, I get it.   Dense fog sucks to drive in.   But we get dense fog over here all the time, too, and while we do get the occasional serious multi-car accident here in the States, it doesn't happen EVERY TIME we have bad weather.    WTF?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 09:07 AM (4df7R)

421 This Detroit bankruptcy is going to be coming out of all our pockets. Watch.

Posted by: --- at December 03, 2013 09:07 AM (MMC8r)

422 308 I used to hold much disdain for Canada. But now I have a Canadian girlfriend. She is flying down to brighten my New Year. Oh! Canada! Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 12:42 PM (xWW96) The French Canadian women I have met were quite beautiful. Dumb as rocks, but very pretty.

Posted by: Detroit at December 03, 2013 09:08 AM (bb5+k)

423 Yaaaaay Victor Garber! Please tell me he's going to be reincarnated via idk I Ching and then he can show up and be all the badass.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 01:04 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

*adds "Reincarnated via I-Ching" to list of awesome ways to create time-travelling hero   for eventual    novel*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 09:08 AM (4df7R)

424 421 Had to take the wife to the Deroit airport once. It was a hoot watching her react to the beautiful city. Icing on the cake was the two dogs fucking at the freeway offramp. Posted by: UWP at December 03, 2013 01:06 PM (fdXMW) I saw Two Dogs Fucking at the Freeway Off Ramp open for Pussy Riot in 2001.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 03, 2013 09:09 AM (bCEmE)

425

MWR @ 427

Because of this:

http://tinyurl.com/ax4jmws

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 09:10 AM (xWW96)

426 Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 12:55 PM (m2CN7) True Military Professionals understand that Heroism only happens when someone has already fucked up. In an operation properly planned, supported, and executed, there is no NEED for Heroism. John McCain was a prisoner of War, because he was a crappy Pilot. During his Career he lost FIVE of our Aircraft... and got shot down by NOT following procedure (by eye witness reports). He was then Heroic as a Prisoner.... So.... IMO... Heroic as a MILITARY Pro? No... Heroic as a PRISONER? Yes.... The question then becomes... is being Heroic as a Prisoner... one who F'd up to be there in the first place... make him someone who should lead this country... and make policy?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 03, 2013 09:10 AM (lZBBB)

427

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 12:58 PM (GQ8sn)

 

Doing what you are supposed to do is not being a hero.     And its  basically the same result,  but he refused to be released before people who were prisoners before him were released.   

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 09:10 AM (m2CN7)

428 Univ. of New Haven on lockdown. "Asian male on South campus with what appears to be a rifle." Wanna be it's just a really big abacus?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 03, 2013 09:12 AM (bCEmE)

429 "*adds "Reincarnated via I-Ching" to list of awesome ways to create time-travelling hero for eventual novel* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 03, 2013 01:08 PM"


Gotta be better than reincarnated by Feung Shui.  Move the furniture to vacuum and he's screwed.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 03, 2013 09:12 AM (knoK7)

430 Teens from Asian nations dominated a global exam given to 15-year-olds, while U.S. students showed little improvement and failed to reach the top 20 in math, science or reading, according to test results released Tuesday.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 03, 2013 09:12 AM (R8hU8)

431 DAMMIT, MADDOG.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 09:13 AM (4df7R)

432 Heh

Posted by: maddogg at December 03, 2013 09:13 AM (xWW96)

433 Doing what you are supposed to do is not being a hero. And its basically the same result, but he refused to be released before people who were prisoners before him were released.

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 01:10 PM (m2CN7)



Well, to me that took guts.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 09:14 AM (GQ8sn)

434 Why do people who would never fucking EVER type "hi's", "her's", or "their's" feel fine with "it's"? If Dominic Nanni wants to beat or run somebody over, I nominate all the "it's" people.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at December 03, 2013 09:14 AM (9hVHZ)

435 Nood up! Open.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2013 09:14 AM (xZxMD)

436 Teens from Asian nations dominated a global exam given to 15-year-olds, while U.S. students showed little improvement and failed to reach the top 20 in math, science or reading, according to test results released Tuesday. Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 03, 2013 01:12 PM (R8hU Hum maybe we are teaching to much black, Indian ( wo-wo), global warming crap instead of reading writing and rithmatic and oh let's throw in some REAL American History

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 09:14 AM (t3UFN)

437

Univ. of New Haven on lockdown.



"Asian male on South campus with what appears to be a rifle."




Wanna be it's just a really big abacus?

 

Posted by: Tami at December 03, 2013 01:12 PM (bCEmE)

 

 

Oh for Pete's sake.    Didn't we just go through this with Yale   or Princeton or whatever?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 09:14 AM (4df7R)

438 Newed.

Posted by: Countrysquire at December 03, 2013 09:14 AM (LSJmV)

439 "Asian male on South campus with what appears to be a rifle."


Are they using "asian" as a substitute for "muslim" like the Brit papers do?

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 09:15 AM (GQ8sn)

440 MWR: There was a notably bad pile-up on I-4 near Tampa, FL not very long ago due to fog.

I suspect it's worse in Europe because of the geography - lots more mountain roads and general twistiness, plus city streets are narrower since the cities predate cars.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 03, 2013 09:15 AM (B/VB5)

441 Their strip joints kick serious fucking ass. We call them "The Canadian Ballet." Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 03, 2013 01:03 PM (7ObY1) St. Catherine street, Montreal. Good times. Good times. heh.

Posted by: Mainah at December 03, 2013 09:15 AM (659DL)

442 GIVE ME TIMBITS. NOW NOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNWONOW *shakes internets harder* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 01:06 PM (VtjlW) Stop whining. Tim Hortons is in the USA. http://tinyurl.com/m4r28nu

Posted by: ExSnipe at December 03, 2013 09:15 AM (57ubW)

443 *adds "Reincarnated via I-Ching" to list of awesome ways to create time-travelling hero for eventual novel* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 03, 2013 01:08 PM (4df7R) I stole that from a friend's attempt to explain the last season of Felicity. Oh speaking of eventual novel, I have decided on Lola's backstory. Now for Lorelei's. Since this is an epic Mary Sue of Epicness, it can be as awesomely cracked out as you wish. Now, we know that she was raised by her grandfather, Uber Hunter Guy, and thus she can do things and stuff with knives. Also, she's an orphan because fuck you Disney I'm stealing your tropes. But how did her parents die? Did they leave her rich? Is she a librarian because she wanted something to do whilst that awesome HFT algorithm she wrote makes her all the money? Oh the options. Lalalalalalala http://bit.ly/8aIrVF

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 09:15 AM (VtjlW)

444

Yes, yes, and yes.

 

I may have to see that episode.  I don't suppose they put any emphasis on the "Geordie Problem"* of sexbots customized to look like celebrities or people you just happen to have the hots for.

 

*Next Generation episode "Booby Trap"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 09:15 AM (zF6Iw)

445 >>>But now I have a Canadian girlfriend.

"She's from Canada. You don't know her."

Posted by: Bigby's Pimp Hand at December 03, 2013 09:16 AM (RLTt1)

446

Teens from Asian nations dominated a global exam given to 15-year-olds

"Asian male on South campus with what appears to be a rifle."

 

 

How did they place in Marksmanship?

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2013 09:18 AM (6WbNd)

447 @451: Nothing like that.  The reason the sexbots were illegal was that they were kidnapping and killing human women and putting their skin on the bots.  Regular plastic ones were A-OK, because it's The Future.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 03, 2013 09:18 AM (B/VB5)

448 *adds "Reincarnated via I-Ching" to list of awesome ways to create time-travelling hero for eventual novel* Barnabas Collins called. He said to tell you it's overrated.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 09:18 AM (naUcP)

449

adds "Reincarnated via I-Ching" to list of awesome ways to create time-travelling hero for eventual novel*

 

 

A suffusion of Yellow.

Posted by: I-Ching Calculator at December 03, 2013 09:18 AM (6WbNd)

450 451 Yes, yes, and yes.

I may have to see that episode. I don't suppose they put any emphasis on the "Geordie Problem"* of sexbots customized to look like celebrities or people you just happen to have the hots for.

*Next Generation episode "Booby Trap"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 03, 2013 01:15 PM (zF6Iw

 

They did not explore that issue.  I'm sure they eventually have plans to have episodes of synthetics that are duplicates of actual people.

Posted by: buzzion at December 03, 2013 09:20 AM (LI48c)

451

adds "Reincarnated via I-Ching" to list of awesome ways to create time-travelling hero for eventual novel*


A suffusion of Yellow.

 

Posted by: I-Ching Calculator at December 03, 2013 01:18 PM (6WbNd)

 

 

There's no red button, but there's a blue button marked "red," so I guess that's the one I'm supposed to push.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 09:20 AM (4df7R)

452 Is she a librarian because she wanted something to do whilst that awesome HFT algorithm she wrote makes her all the money? Oh the options. I'm getting a "Read or Die" on crack vibe here. And that's a good thing, I suspect...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 03, 2013 09:20 AM (naUcP)

453 Well, to me that took guts.

Posted by: EC at December 03, 2013 01:14 PM (GQ8sn)

 

No doubt.  And to be clear,  I think its just a matter of what people  believe the definition of heroic  is.   Not that his actions are not as commendable but they are reactive instead of proactive, which is how I discern what  is  defined as heroic.  

Posted by: polynikes self proclaimed king of walked into a bar jokes at December 03, 2013 09:21 AM (m2CN7)

454

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 03, 2013 01:15 PM (VtjlW)

 

*coo*  You are so good to me.  You give me pretty pictures.  *dreamy*

 

And I think Lorelei's parents died while exploring some archaeological dig in Peruvia.  She's not wealthy, and is rather quiet and modest.   {eople are often surprised when she just up and wastes zombies using the pencil she's got stowed behind her ear, which she otehrwise uses to scribble notes    about    interesting bits of flora and fauna she sees during their travels.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 03, 2013 09:23 AM (4df7R)

455 Countrysquire @ 57-
Texas has a RainyDayFund that the rinos in Austin want their grubby paws on just as much as the demo squad does. We ain't quite as bad as Michigan, but if the politicorapists have their way for a few years, yeah, it could happen.

Posted by: EROWMER at December 03, 2013 09:26 AM (OONaw)

456 The progressivenotliberal Left. Who you call when you absolutely, positively have to fcuk siht up.

Posted by: BuddyPC at December 03, 2013 09:33 AM (jfUIE)

457 I don't think Chicago will go down because the thieves are smarter, with better connections, than in Detroit. The king will prop it up if it gets that close and probably has already. If someone smarter than me could compile a list of the new taxes we've paid in the last 10 years in Crook County, folks who live in the state would be shocked. If I ever get a chance, I'm out.

Posted by: dumbartist at December 03, 2013 09:33 AM (ahBY0)

458 I wouldn't give a single quatloo for Detroit.

Posted by: drill_thrawl at December 03, 2013 09:33 AM (znT2j)

459 Look he is a senile old bastard who's time has come and gone. You know it, I know it, it's just he doesn't know it and his family probably does not want the drooling bastard around so they keep him in Washington DC Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2013 12:53 PM (t3UFN) His daughter wouldn't have her media gigs if McCain wasn't constantly poking conservatives in the eye. Throw in crazy old grandma who said we all had to hold our noses and vote for the old fuck, and that family's like the Aristocrats. They all need to go away. That's why I hope Graham loses his primary. McCain might finally take the hint.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 03, 2013 09:43 AM (Y92Nd)

460

They could film the next Mad Max movie there...if they cleaned the place up a little.

 

remarks like this are the only reason anyone reads comments.

Posted by: steve at December 03, 2013 10:08 AM (3cY3/)

461 Nothing in that Michigan section indicates that the money for a bailout must come from the State. I realize that has been an argument presented but it doesn't follow that it is an obligation of the State as opposed to the political subdivision. In any event, it doesn't trump BK law.

Posted by: ejo at December 03, 2013 10:09 AM (GXvSO)

462 Threatening a federal judge is a felony, btw.

Bankruptcy cannot "save" Detroit.  It can only set the stage for Detroit to eventually rebuild and save itself.  It is difficult to feel sorry for any of the creditors, from the union pensioners to the Wall Street bondholders.  The signs have been clear for decades to anyone willing to look.

As Obama is discovering, math be hard, but it cannot be wished away.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 03, 2013 10:27 AM (473jB)

463 Detroit become a major city again? Dude, Detroit is dead. It will never, ever, ever be a major city again. What it will be is a wasteland. Detroit has under 1M people living there, and most of them can't read. Bankruptcy won't fix that. Cities need a reason to exist, and Detroit has none. Proximity to water means virtually nothing at this point. Henry Ford is dead, so living where he wants to live is also moot. Detroit has nothing but problems. It is dead.

Posted by: RobM1981 at December 03, 2013 10:43 AM (Pcgbc)

464 Illinois is sweeping crap under the rug. They aren't actually doing anything meaningful on pensions.

Posted by: Jeff at December 03, 2013 11:27 AM (MOSsR)

465 The US Marines should buy Detroit and use it for a training ground. They would probably have to build it up some so they would have something to knock down, though.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 03, 2013 12:10 PM (yh0zB)

466 Laugh now...but the ass clowns who made this once great city will be moving and the process of the ducks and the hens will start all over again in YOUR CITY. Rockwell was right. Resist, Repeal and Impeach.

Posted by: IrishEd at December 03, 2013 12:24 PM (D0NZx)

467 Actually MWR, I'd say european drivers are better overall than American. Our driver's licensing is wayyyy too loose, far too many people on the road who should not be there.

Posted by: KG at December 03, 2013 12:26 PM (p7BzH)

468 I would rather have watched it rot more. Now things can get better.

Posted by: torabora at December 03, 2013 12:29 PM (QnYHF)

469 "Oh and more lolworthiness. FBN correspondent just pointed out that some of Detroit's bondholders are other pensions, like CALPERS."

Ruh-roh. With the BKs of many California cities and the cities not paying their Calpers payments, I sense danger ahead for Calpers. Oh well, they are managed by a bunch of union hacks and Dems, so they will fix it, I'm sure.

Posted by: PJ at December 03, 2013 01:21 PM (ZWaLo)

470 I say we get into the escape pod and nuke it from space.

Posted by: -Shawn- at December 03, 2013 04:48 PM (W0cq1)

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