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March 02, 2013

C.S. Lewis knew Obama was coming [Purp]
— Open Blogger

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

So how much better do new computers actually improve office productivity? I'm not talking about surfing HD pron or playing WoW/Halo whole the office manager has their back turned.

These guys ran a head to head on an old 86' vintage Mac Plus vs an AMD dual core with Vista. The results were rather shocking. The 20yo 8mhz Mac held its ground against the new dual-core 2.4Ghz AMD.

Sometimes good enough, is good enough

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1 Not only that, but Orwell was the great prophet of the 21st century. Read "1984."

Posted by: Shibumi at March 02, 2013 09:10 AM (z63Tr)

2 Had this one pegged 2000 years ago...

Posted by: Saint John the Divine at March 02, 2013 09:12 AM (Vk2pI)

3 Yeah, cs Lewis wasn't alone in understanding human nature. We've gone from Il Duce to El Douchey in 75 years.

Posted by: Truman North at March 02, 2013 09:14 AM (I2LwF)

4 Didn't know CS Lewis was a racist.

Posted by: RWC at March 02, 2013 09:15 AM (sqp6o)

5 I used a Mac SE for years until I got married and Mrs. North made me into a PC guy.

Posted by: Truman North at March 02, 2013 09:15 AM (I2LwF)

6 "1984" wasn't a warning, it was a training manual

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 02, 2013 09:15 AM (m4LtW)

7 Rachel Maddow or one of her people set up fake Twitter accounts or spambots to trend her show on Twitter

http://tinyurl.com/akfdutz

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2013 09:16 AM (mCvL4)

8 Yep, saw that kb, and commented on it on a few pages. I don't really care. It just means half her viewers are fake.

Posted by: Truman North at March 02, 2013 09:17 AM (I2LwF)

9 It's always fun reading Animlal Farm to the kids

Posted by: Jean at March 02, 2013 09:17 AM (R4WsQ)

10 [open]thread[/open]

Does this mean the thread is now closed?

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 02, 2013 09:17 AM (wZmH9)

11 "Sometimes good enough, is good enough" I remember a client who was bitching about a project coming in late said: The enemy of good is great." And I'd like to pound the C.S. Lewis quote into Bloomberg's midget pin-head with a 2 liter bottle filled with concrete.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2013 09:19 AM (48jWE)

12 10 [open]thread[/open]

Does this mean the thread is now closed?
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 02, 2013 01:17 PM

It means that Purp has thrown himself into The Barrel

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2013 09:20 AM (mCvL4)

13 Interesting article about "The cycle of fear that drives assault weapons sales" over in the Guardian . The comments clearly reflect the different point of view between US and UK about firearms ownership by private citizens.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ax4p9l2

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 02, 2013 09:21 AM (m4LtW)

14 is this from "men without chests"?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 02, 2013 09:22 AM (xIzGn)

15 Yeah, but did he know how many "busy bodies" there would be?

Posted by: BignJames at March 02, 2013 09:24 AM (j7iSn)

16 O/T: HARRISBURG -- A popular Pennsylvania outdoors show that was postponed indefinitely because of a controversy over assault weapons will not be rescheduled this year. The Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show had been scheduled to start Feb. 2 at the Farm Show Complex in Harrisburg. But its ban on assault weapons in the wake of a Connecticut school shooting led to a backlash and vendor boycott. Organizers indefinitely postponed the event last month. On Thursday, state officials who run the Farm Show Complex said the show would not be held this year. http://preview.tinyurl.com/adjf8nf

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 02, 2013 09:25 AM (tOkJB)

17 Vista, eh?

Posted by: real joe at March 02, 2013 09:26 AM (PD2ad)

18 What the guardian thinks is fear, is actually acceptance of the inevitable.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 02, 2013 09:27 AM (/gHaE)

19 RE: vintage Mac vs AMD multi core

I just wish someone would write a minimalist OS, something more than DOS, without all the required, behind the scene, bloat.

Instead, every app has it's own libraries, it's own application interface, and every new app requires new libraries, and you must have the old bloated code to keep the older apps running.

It doesn't matter if it's linux, windows, or mac, they all do it.
Debian comes on 8 dvds now?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 02, 2013 09:28 AM (m4LtW)

20 Another take on good enough is good enough. For science and engineering software it isn't. I am quite thankful for all the gamers, pron surfers and business computer users who have made a PC system with the approximate speed - CPU and IO - of a late 1980's/early 1990's Cray - very affordable. (That claim comes from from an ex-Cray guy who researched a dream system for STEM software.) So, in conclusion, thanks, all you liberal arts pukes.

Posted by: chuckR at March 02, 2013 09:29 AM (WE9pd)

21 Did I miss the segue in that post?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:29 AM (piMMO)

22 I think we have both robber barons (Big Green) and the moral busybodies who funnel them billions. Worst of both worlds?

Posted by: Beagle at March 02, 2013 09:29 AM (uf1vM)

23 God helps those who defend themselves.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 09:30 AM (OQpzc)

24 I think we have both robber barons (Big Green) and the moral busybodies who funnel them billions. Worst of both worlds? *** Egad. You are right.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:30 AM (piMMO)

25 Your average smart phone has thousands of times the computational power of the Apollo guidance computer. But that's okay because we don't go to the moon any longer. Hell, we don't even go into orbit without hitching a Russian ride.

Posted by: The decline of the west at March 02, 2013 09:32 AM (Lxw+T)

26 Of course that tyranny gets even worse when the govt prints money then rewards its cronies to continue the tyranny.

http://tinyurl.com/tyranny-unabated

link to weasel zippers

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 02, 2013 09:33 AM (p/cQy)

27 That processor comparison was BS. You can have a lightweight OS running on a modern processor without a problem. But I remember running word processors in that day, and don't even think you could do image editing. I am not saying Windows is great or Mac OS is great. I am simply saying we can do things today we only dreamed of back then.

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at March 02, 2013 09:33 AM (zG16+)

28 Contrary to what the media wants you to think, while computers may be capable of multi-tasking, people generally are not.

Posted by: Al at March 02, 2013 09:34 AM (V70Uh)

29 Contrary to what the media wants you to think, while computers may be capable of multi-tasking, people generally are not. *** Have you never maintained a home while raising a child?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:35 AM (piMMO)

30 Hive People vs. Free People.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2013 09:35 AM (mjRYI)

31 I used to think there would always be enough good people in federal government that they would shut down a move to fascism. F&F cured me of that illusion, and made me think I'd just been a propagandized fool for ever trusting this corrupt government.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 09:36 AM (OQpzc)

32 Name a shitty product that won't go away. Something you've seen in the supermarket forever and can't understand why it's still on the shelves.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 02, 2013 09:37 AM (LPRBM)

33 25, Ahem, Dragon.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2013 09:37 AM (mjRYI)

34 This really means you should have kept the Model 19 and shunned the Glock too.

Posted by: DM at March 02, 2013 09:38 AM (LaKlJ)

35 Someone should do a test between this blog and a blog using current technology software also.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at March 02, 2013 09:39 AM (MmH0Z)

36 "The results were rather shocking"

I think the computer companies knew this and that's why they built the machines to mechanically break down. The OS is fine for the average person: typing documents, spreadsheets, web surfing. I still have MS Word 2003! Anything after that was a Frankenstein monster of useless, buggy features.

So I will get a Mac one day to web surf and keep the PD for docs. Only thing wrong with the PC, IMO, is vulnerability to crap on the web.

Posted by: PJ at March 02, 2013 09:39 AM (ZWaLo)

37 Firefox girl.

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/2495636_f520.jpg

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 02, 2013 09:39 AM (/gHaE)

38 33 Ahem, Dragon.

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No one's flown on Dragon yet.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at March 02, 2013 09:39 AM (1c58W)

39 soothsayer at March 02, 2013 01:37 PM

Pork rinds? (heh)

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 02, 2013 09:39 AM (m4LtW)

40 So... Nikki Haley seeks to ban unhealthy foods from being purchased with food stamps. While I agree on an emotional level, I'm just not too certain how I feel about politicians telling us what is healthy or not. http://t.co/ZtdDXvswGN

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:39 AM (piMMO)

41 Something you've seen in the supermarket forever and can't understand why it's still on the shelves. Posted by: soothsayer at March 02, 2013 01:37 PM (LPRBM) Instant mashed potatoes.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 09:39 AM (OQpzc)

42 Code writers vs. hardware engineers. The Eternal Battle.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2013 09:41 AM (mjRYI)

43 33 25, Ahem, Dragon. Not carrying humans yet.

Posted by: The decline of the west at March 02, 2013 09:41 AM (Lxw+T)

44 Something you've seen in the supermarket forever and can't understand why it's still on the shelves. **** Powdered milk

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:41 AM (piMMO)

45 No one's flown on Dragon yet. Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at March 02, 2013 01:39 PM (1c58W) Ahem...

Posted by: Lessa at March 02, 2013 09:41 AM (OQpzc)

46 Pork rinds? I'm afraid those might be fightin words in some parts. Same with Hydrox cookies, evidently.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 02, 2013 09:41 AM (DlaLh)

47 You sad little bloggers think you're so smart. And maybe you are. But you're not smart enough to turn general idiocy into triumph. So shine my shoes.

Posted by: #OccupyResoluteDesk at March 02, 2013 09:42 AM (7QU6R)

48 41 Agreed. So many more options today. How about canned asparagus? Shiver.

Posted by: Tuna at March 02, 2013 09:42 AM (M/TDA)

49 36 I think the computer companies knew this and that's why they built the machines to mechanically break down

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Mechanically? What the hell are you doing with them?

Except for things with moving parts (fans, hard drives), most machines I've replaced were working when they were taken out of service.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at March 02, 2013 09:42 AM (1c58W)

50 Purp Av not too shocking the Athlon had some "meh" structural issues of course the FX original would have held its own better.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 09:42 AM (LRFds)

51 "Pork rinds?"

You can shut the hell up. When I want some pork rinds, I want some pork rinds.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 02, 2013 09:42 AM (Fz2C7)

52 42 Code writers vs. hardware engineers. Related: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html

Posted by: The decline of the west at March 02, 2013 09:42 AM (Lxw+T)

53 That processor comparison was BS.

It was valid for what was compared. I saw no gaping flaws in the test methodology.

If you want to add a 3rd, 4th, etc variations feel free to do so.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 02, 2013 09:43 AM (/gHaE)

54 "Pork rinds?" You can shut the hell up. When I want some pork rinds, I want some pork rinds. *** This. In fact I want some right now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:43 AM (piMMO)

55 Something you've seen in the supermarket forever and can't understand why it's still on the shelves.

****

Powdered milk Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 01:41

Nope, long shelf life. Great for hoarding.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 02, 2013 09:44 AM (m4LtW)

56 Powdered milk Drank as "poor" child growing up. Passable with real milk as mixer. 1 gallon fakey+1/2 gal real=profit

Posted by: nip at March 02, 2013 09:44 AM (11Tdq)

57 In a couple of years you'll need a prescription and to pay a special tax to buy pork rinds.

Posted by: The decline of the west at March 02, 2013 09:44 AM (Lxw+T)

58 An application I wrote 1989-1992 is still in use at some office. The new computers run it faster but not better. (although the big hard disks are handy)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 02, 2013 09:45 AM (AbHls)

59 okay, good, powdered milk Now imagine a re-branding of powdered milk. New flashy package. New flashy spokesman. Expensive ad campaign. Reports coming in from all over the place about how everyone loves this new stuff called powdered milk! That's communism. They've been polishing that turd for decades and finally got it right in 2008.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 02, 2013 09:45 AM (39q3n)

60 38, Okay, but they will soon and can now. Why pine for the better days of a Federal Government agency? Why should we measure the greatness of the USA by what the Federal Government does? Democrats view the USA that way. Feh on that.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2013 09:46 AM (8FmU+)

61 Vista was a giant turd.

Posted by: NCKate at March 02, 2013 09:46 AM (4FeFx)

62 25 Your average smart phone has thousands of times the computational power of the Apollo guidance computer. But that's okay because we don't go to the moon any longer.

Hell, we don't even go into orbit without hitching a Russian ride. Posted by: The decline of the west at March 02, 2013 01:32 PM

But the Apollo computer couldn't tweet an astronaut's junk, order pizza, surf porn, and comment on a blog simultaneously

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2013 09:46 AM (mCvL4)

63 Use instant mash potatoes to thicken gravy.

Posted by: nip at March 02, 2013 09:46 AM (11Tdq)

64 61 You can say that again.

Posted by: Tuna at March 02, 2013 09:46 AM (M/TDA)

65 The "effing Nostradamus" link is fubar'd.

Posted by: olddog at March 02, 2013 09:47 AM (A9na/)

66 So why does every iteration of MicroSoft's O/S bloat faster than Rosie O'Donnell locked in a pastry shop? It's not for user purposes, it's for MicroSoft's. MicroSoft does two things: Tries to keep it's user base incapable, while trying to keep control of all sorts of standards for DRM and the like so that vendors and manufacturers and content providers keep them at the top. Which is why my Linux is only 125M on a live-CD and theirs is at multi-gigs and climbing.

Posted by: Elwood at March 02, 2013 09:47 AM (MMC8r)

67 what about Woolite? does anybody really use that stuff?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 02, 2013 09:47 AM (vanqS)

68 63 Never thought of that. Hmmm. Does it change the taste of the gravy?

Posted by: Tuna at March 02, 2013 09:48 AM (M/TDA)

69 40 So... Nikki Haley seeks to ban unhealthy foods from being purchased with food stamps.

While I agree on an emotional level, I'm just not too certain how I feel about politicians telling us what is healthy or not.

http://t.co/ZtdDXvswGN
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 01:39 PM

On the other hand, if the taxpayers are paying for the groceries, they should have a say in what can be bought. If one is paying with one's own money, none of their damn business

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2013 09:48 AM (mCvL4)

70 I'm pretty sure I could easily construct a test whereby a modern PC makes the SE look like it' standing still, using office tasks. Or things the SE simply can't do at all. But there is a truth, that modern software requirements (in terms of hardware capability eaten up before you even start) has risen, in some cases, as fast as software capabilities. The need is not just a minimalist, efficient OS, but one that retains the advances we're used to in usability, security, new hardware features, etc. There are flaws, but you simply couldn't use a 1984 OS in a modern office or home office - printers, networks, online activities... imagine living without USB. There was an attempt to "reverse engineer" XP and get rid of the bloat, but it took too long. There are streamlining packages to reduce bloat and allow you to remove extraneous features, but they're limited and don't remove core inefficiencies. A HUGE problem is that there's too much focus on benchmarks and not enough on user interface responsiveness - something you learn if you support a large office is that when a user says their computer is slow, they're not talking about a spreadsheet calculating in 5.2 seconds instead of 3.8, they're talking about the UI not responding as fast as they like. In that area, things *have* become worse. I am still plagued by "entry lag" opening a new window or tab and "typing ahead" of what the software will accept - that's a design issue between the OS and the software that I didn't have a problem with only a few years ago. Also, all browsers suck. What's up with that?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i] at March 02, 2013 09:48 AM (bxiXv)

71 I think the computer companies knew this and that's why they built the machines to mechanically break down.

Weak/marginal power supplies seem to be a common theme these days among the curbside carcasses.

At the dawn of the PC era, power supply failures were rare. I can't recall a real IBM XT/AT or PS/2 machine having a bad power supply. The earliest 5-slot PC's had some thermal issues (i.e. they'd catch fire), but that was only a few thousand units and quickly resolved.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 02, 2013 09:49 AM (/gHaE)

72 That first link doesn't go anywhere. I just stay on the thread.

Posted by: Methos at March 02, 2013 09:49 AM (hO9ad)

73 67 Umm..yes. Hand washables. It's a girl thang.

Posted by: Tuna at March 02, 2013 09:49 AM (M/TDA)

74 To comment about the sidebar item "The Horror...The Horror!", relax, it was only Ballantines. Grain ethanol with a dram of malt thrown in isn't that rare.

Posted by: OxyCon at March 02, 2013 09:49 AM (U7XyJ)

75 Fuckin' Woolite.

Posted by: nip at March 02, 2013 09:49 AM (11Tdq)

76 I am quite happy to toddle along on the blunt edge of PC technology. At work I use MS Word and Excel 97, and a proprietary graphic log program for making oil well striplogs. My work machine is a home-filled desktop box running WinXP.

I own a Toshiba laptop running Windows 7, and the version of the striplog software built for it is buggy, and very slow to refresh the screen. I used it dutifully for one entire well, and said, "that's enough for me". Fortunately, I can get away (so far) with using the so-called "obsolete" software, but sooner or later, a later version is going to add functionality that I will have to use, and I will be obliged to update. Hopefully by then, the bugs will be resolved. The program I use still has a few bugs, but I know all the work-arounds, and can deal with them.

I'd kind of like to hook up with a person who writes software that runs in a Linux environment, and explore the possibility of writing a striplog program that runs in Linux. Problem is, there's not a huge market for it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2013 09:49 AM (673KB)

77 As a believer, it seems to me as if everything is slowly starting to move into place for the last act. If so, come quickly Lord Jesus.

Posted by: Jmel at March 02, 2013 09:50 AM (9tSXa)

78 Vista was a giant turd. **** I was in the market for a new laptop when Vista was released and, immediately, Dell switched everything over to it. Every week I called Dell and built my own laptop and then, at the end, asked if I could get it with XP. When they said "No", I cancelled the sale. I couldn't have been the only person doing it because after just a few weeks they relented and said they'd build it with XP.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:50 AM (piMMO)

79 Use instant mash potatoes to thicken gravy. Posted by: nip at March 02, 2013 01:46 PM (11Tdq) I just use flour.

Posted by: Lessa at March 02, 2013 09:50 AM (OQpzc)

80 Oceania has always been at war with pork rinds.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at March 02, 2013 09:50 AM (za53n)

81 Vista? I'd put my 512k fat mac with floppy driven Startup and MacWrite against Vista.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 02, 2013 09:50 AM (Qxdfp)

82 But the Apollo computer couldn't tweet an astronaut's junk, order pizza, surf porn, and comment on a blog simultaneously Holy crap. You guys in 2013 already have communicators? Can yours x-ray through the yeoman's uniform? That's my favorite app.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at March 02, 2013 09:50 AM (Lxw+T)

83 fixed the bad link

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 02, 2013 09:51 AM (/gHaE)

84 Powdered milk and instant mashed potatoes have some real uses, especially if you're a prepper or if you do any camping/hiking. The Nido brand powdered milk is actually palatable, as it has a bit of milk fat.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2013 09:51 AM (MBqvE)

85 what about Woolite? does anybody really use that stuff? *** I certainly don't. All my unmentionables are washed in the machine, inside of a net laundry bag, and do quite well. Laundry bags have put an end to the need for hand-washing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:52 AM (piMMO)

86 Still think about cleaning up a 2-3 gallon spill of scotch at work once. Makes me want to puke. A thousand gallons hitting the sewer plant must have been horrendous.

Posted by: nip at March 02, 2013 09:52 AM (11Tdq)

87 14 is this from "men without chests"?

"The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment", God in the Dock.

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 02, 2013 09:53 AM (YjDyJ)

88
I wonder if instant mash potatoes can be used in the still mash to make vodka.

Hmmm....

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 02, 2013 09:53 AM (p/cQy)

89 groceries, they should have a say in what can be bought. If one is paying with one's own money, none of their damn business Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2013 01:48 PM (mCvL4) Nothing but spinach, boiled potatoes and chicken leg quarters, and tap water. Want to eat better? Get a job. That kind of diet would motivate them to get off their ass.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 09:53 AM (OQpzc)

90 ask Tickle.

Posted by: nip at March 02, 2013 09:54 AM (11Tdq)

91 85 I use Woolite to wash cashmere sweaters on very gentle cycle in the machine. Good as new. No dry cleaning bills.

Posted by: Tuna at March 02, 2013 09:55 AM (M/TDA)

92 The Democrats, famous for finding individual rights never verbalized in The Constitution, are equally adept at negating the rights enumerated. One has to wonder at that perversity.

Posted by: pat at March 02, 2013 09:55 AM (L1Yma)

93 BTW, does that first link (if it works for you) actually give an original source for the CS Lewis quote? I'd like to pass it along, but I'd like to know he actually said/wrote it.

Posted by: Methos at March 02, 2013 09:55 AM (hO9ad)

94 r u sur Lewis dint maen bloomberg?

Posted by: Rudy at March 02, 2013 09:55 AM (T2oeP)

95 I know soothsayers point was about remarketing communism, but I can't stop thinking about obscure food products.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 02, 2013 09:56 AM (Fz2C7)

96 they're talking about the UI not responding as fast as they like.

IBM did some usability studies and found people were happiest with predictable response time, even if it was somewhat (but not annoyingly so) slower than generally faster, but occasionally dreadful.

Some of the Toshiba apps that came with this laptop are horribly written and have many seconds delay before accepting input in spots.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 02, 2013 09:56 AM (/gHaE)

97 Why is iced coffee so delicious when just plain old cold coffee is so gross? Ick.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:57 AM (piMMO)

98 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2013 01:51 PM (MBqvE) All my survival potatoes are shredded hash browns.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 09:57 AM (OQpzc)

99 I know some people like it, but I see no reason to have margarine. Although, I've heard it said you can leave an open tub outside and no flies or ants will touch it. So if you're talking pr*epp!ng - maybe there's a potential use.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at March 02, 2013 09:58 AM (za53n)

100 91 Baby detergent like Dreft or Ivory is good for washing really nice sweaters an lingerie too. Added benefit..they smell so good when dry.

Posted by: Tuna at March 02, 2013 09:58 AM (M/TDA)

101 I'd kind of like to hook up with a person who writes software that runs in a Linux environment, and explore the possibility of writing a striplog program that runs in Linux. Problem is, there's not a huge market for it. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2013 01:49 PM (673KB) Might want to get with several tech schools or colleges with good IT programs. Sounds like a great idea for a senior thesis or grad school project.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2013 09:58 AM (MBqvE)

102 Many programmers have no idea how to use threads to fake responsiveness in an app.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 02, 2013 09:59 AM (/gHaE)

103 Instant mashed potatoes.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 01:39 PM (OQpzc)

Dude, they're lifesavers. Works to thicken up regular if you put too much milk in.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at March 02, 2013 09:59 AM (ylG8S)

104 Toure speaks again. This time to ask about the "good guys" who point guns at their wives. http://bit.ly/15YWusE

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 09:59 AM (piMMO)

105 I can't understand SPAM, but Hawaiians seem to like it.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 02, 2013 09:59 AM (Fz2C7)

106 Once I overheard Dr. McCoy bitching to Nurse Chapel about all "them new-fangled machines" in sick bay making his office feel like a computer center instead of a hospital. I pointed out that most guys are fascinated by computers, and he might be barking up the wrong tree. I mean -- why moan to Chapel? She's more butch than a Klingon.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at March 02, 2013 10:00 AM (Lxw+T)

107 I am really hating that Chrome is about a million times faster than IE. At least it lets me have my ampersands & such.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 10:00 AM (OQpzc)

108 I second the web browser complaint. I've tried IE, Firefox, Nightly, Chrome and Safari. Safari is the best, by far, but they've all sucked ass at some point.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 02, 2013 10:00 AM (GEICT)

109 what about Woolite?

does anybody really use that stuff?

I bet we have a bottle in the basement. Talk amongst yourselves while I go check.

Posted by: fluffy at March 02, 2013 10:01 AM (z9HTb)

110 I am really hating that Chrome is about a million times faster than IE. At least it lets me have my ampersands & such. *** Me too. It was one helluva a struggle to cave to a Google product, but FF was driving me mad.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 10:01 AM (piMMO)

111 commenting on an ipad is a pain in the ass. I have a fucking keyboard. Some tell me how to go to the last comment without having to scrol?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 02, 2013 10:01 AM (CKNcG)

112 102 Many programmers have no idea how to use threads to fake responsiveness in an app. That sounds suspiciously like faking an orgasm. Not generally a problem for me.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at March 02, 2013 10:01 AM (Lxw+T)

113 93 BTW, does that first link (if it works for you) actually give an original source for the CS Lewis quote? I'd like to pass it along, but I'd like to know he actually said/wrote it.

http://bit.ly/13x3hul (PDF)

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 02, 2013 10:02 AM (YjDyJ)

114 Hamburger Helper. There is no excuse for that product. Instant mashed potatoes and powdered milk have many uses. I occasionally use instant m potatoes as a sauce thickener and also in some meatloaf or fish cake recipes. Pork rinds and canned asparagus, while not to the liking of many people, are unique and irreplaceable in taste and texture. (Canned asparagus is soooo different from the real thing that it is a whole other veggie.) Hamburger Helper, OTOH, is easily replaced with a combination of other products.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 02, 2013 10:02 AM (C8mVl)

115 Spam could be thought of as a big block of tastier boloney. For the money, it's certainly filling.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 02, 2013 10:02 AM (yVBJI)

116 I have a fucking keyboard. Some tell me how to go to the last comment without having to scrol? *** Go to the apps site and download "End of Page" and install it in your bookmarks. It takes a little getting used to but now I couldn't live without it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 10:02 AM (piMMO)

117 Hamburger Helper. There is no excuse for that product. *** Bullshit! I would cut a bitch that tried to take away my Cheeseburger Macaroni.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 10:03 AM (piMMO)

118 Chrome? Yikes!
http://www.favbrowser.com/google-chrome-spyware-confirmed/

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 02, 2013 10:03 AM (Qxdfp)

119 The low sodium Spam is an acceptable substitute for all your favorite long pork recipes.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2013 10:04 AM (MBqvE)

120 Up until a couple of years ago, the "Potato Buds" instant mashed potatoes were actually chunks of dehydrated potatoes. Now they're exactly the same as everyone else, dehydrated flaked. The flavor and texture are *completely* different. While the old one was not the same as fresh, it was *much* closer. Last time I checked, there were hundreds of complaints at their website. I guess most buyers, though, don't even notice, because they never changed back. The instant potatoes are a good thickener, especially if you can't have wheat flour (gluten free flour formulas can be complicated and react unpredictably, cornstarch is clearer and a different flavor not everyone likes).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i] at March 02, 2013 10:04 AM (bxiXv)

121 Instead of Chrome, use SR Iron. Same browser and functions, but all of the evil Google tracking shit has been stripped out.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2013 10:06 AM (MBqvE)

122 new post up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 10:06 AM (piMMO)

123 I buy the "Idahoan" brand instant mashed potatoes, and they are not too bad, for what they are.

Stuff in the supermarket I avoid? Halal. Not so much stuff that simply qualifies as halal because of its basic nature, but certainly meats and products promoted as halal.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2013 10:06 AM (673KB)

124 115 Spam could be thought of as a big block of tastier boloney. Starfleet still issues Spam dated from 2100. Tastes fine. We also found a cache of genuine Twinkies in a forgotten warehouse on Earth. Sold them on eBay for 50000 credits apiece.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at March 02, 2013 10:06 AM (Lxw+T)

125 It takes a little getting used to but now I couldn't live without it. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 02:02 PM (piMMO) Huh. I just turn off NumLock and hit the End key.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 10:07 AM (OQpzc)

126 Did we ever get a reveal on what the picture on the last thread was?

Posted by: Tuna at March 02, 2013 10:09 AM (M/TDA)

127 Huh. I just turn off NumLock and hit the End key. *** On an apple product?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 10:10 AM (piMMO)

128 I would cut a bitch that tried to take away my Cheeseburger Macaroni. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 02:03 PM (piMMO) After years, I finally found a gluten-free product that resembles the *actual* HH product, not Betty Crocker's dumb-ass GF generic spanish and asian rice dishes. Cheeseburger Macaroni, Beefy Lasagne... From Sam Mills, who make corn pasta. SO I bought 30 boxes. Taste is taste, people. Oh, never mind, people will thing their taste buds are objective 'til the end of time. We'll probably have a Flavor War with millions dead before it's all said and done. Look at the ingredients of online "duplicate recipes," people trying to copy KFC or HH or other commercial products. It's petty clear that a lot of people can't distinguish flavors (or don't know what "duplicate" means).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i] at March 02, 2013 10:12 AM (bxiXv)

129 On my machines, simply hitting the "down" arrow shoots me right to the bottom of the thread.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2013 10:12 AM (673KB)

130 Instead of Chrome, use SR Iron. Same browser and functions, but all of the evil Google tracking shit has been stripped out. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2013 02:06 PM (MBqvE) You can disable most of that in Chrome, and last I checked Iron was not updated as often as I'd like to see. The Browser is basically a security flaw in and of itself.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i] at March 02, 2013 10:14 AM (bxiXv)

131 117 ---"I would cut a bitch that tried to take away my Cheeseburger Macaroni." Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 02:03 PM (piMMO) ---------------- Heh. My daughter (and a lot of other people) would agree with you. In truth, that product has flourished on the market for DECADES now. I may argue that you can get the same or a better result more cheaply by buying ingredients separately but, let's face it, convenience counts. My daughter has found a couple of the flavors that she really likes --- I think the cheeseburger macaroni is one. She says the leftovers freeze very well, which makes it a good product for a single person. Yeah, I repent.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 02, 2013 10:15 AM (C8mVl)

132 110 NDH,

did you ever get around to trying Mozilla's Nightly 64bit browser?

If not I'd give her a spin...of course my rage at Gaggle could refire the sun if need be...

Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 10:15 AM (LRFds)

133 We also found a cache of genuine Twinkies in a forgotten warehouse on Earth. Sold them on eBay for 50000 credits apiece. Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at March 02, 2013 02:06 PM (Lxw+T) You're gonna love the Picard-era Federation, homie. Money's been banned, in favor of the pursuit of peace, exploration and knowledge. I suspect that the pursuit of poontang is banned as well.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2013 10:17 AM (MBqvE)

134 At the dawn of the PC era ..and you guys didn't see me standing there?

Posted by: The Monolith at March 02, 2013 10:18 AM (/AXpj)

135 130 Mero,

as opposed to taking gaggles word it ain't spyware....

If you're happy with it and ambivalent it's all good I'd try nightly, or Opera....

Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 10:18 AM (LRFds)

136 From Sam Mills, who make corn pasta. SO I bought 30 boxes. *** I've never heard of it BUT, since I sometimes add corn to my HHCM, I bet the corn pasta is really good.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 02, 2013 10:19 AM (piMMO)

137 118 clutch cargo,

Yeah I try not to be too paranoid cameos as the Question not counting and Gaggle bothers me....

Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 10:19 AM (LRFds)

138 134 Monolith,

I was "monkey man #14"...the one hopping up and down ruminating over whether to eat bananas or cattle...

Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 10:20 AM (LRFds)

139 133 ITC,

*only* non same sex nookie...

I'm pretty sure jean Lucky was allowed to mail Geordi

Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 10:21 AM (LRFds)

140 Actually Jean Luc nailed a subordinate and wasn't cashiered. Talk about bullshit.

Posted by: Invictus at March 02, 2013 10:24 AM (OQpzc)

141 as opposed to taking gaggles word it ain't spyware.... If you're happy with it and ambivalent it's all good I'd try nightly, or Opera.... Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 02:18 PM (LRFds) It is spyware. But, like I said, you can disable those features, pretty much the same way Iron does. Mozilla raped tho pooch to death with their update scheme (and I'm sick of bugs left unpatched for *YEARS*), and Opera still doesn't know WTF a Web Standard is. I will keep looking, but for now I'm stuck with "Slightly Less Evil And Stupid Than The Alternatives."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i] at March 02, 2013 10:25 AM (bxiXv)

142 141 Mero,

Gaggle is accused of having the spyware ignore your settings...

look I am not praching or hypervenilating one of the weaknesses of the medium we use is an inability to get non literary and in fact nonverbal tells...

I just simply will never trust google ever.

To each their own Nightly's been gangbusters for me.

Oh and by way of explanation I agree about Mozilla's firefox apathy...

Nightly has their hatchet team doing a lot of updates Nightly's the prototype.

http://nightly.mozilla.org/

Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 10:32 AM (LRFds)

143 Alexis de Tocqueville also knew that Obama was coming, he said things like,

"They (the emperors) frequently abused their power arbitrarily to deprive their subjects of property or of life: their tyranny was extremely onerous to the few, but it did not reach the greater number; .. But it would seem that if despotism were to be established amongst the democratic nations of our days it might assume a different character; it would be more extensive and more mild, it would degrade men without tormenting them."

"After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the government then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence: it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville

Posted by: Tarak at March 02, 2013 10:32 AM (NbdQD)

144 A 64-bit browser is probably going to be slower than a 32-bit build of the same thing.

None of the laptop/desktop CPU's have enough L1/L2 cache to tolerate sloshing around a lot of puffier instructions and 64 bit integers loaded with the 32 high order bits being mostly just zeros.

Compactness of code and data is hyper important for getting decent cache utilization. People think 64 has to be better than 32, but that's often not the case.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 02, 2013 10:40 AM (/gHaE)

145 144 Purp Av,

Not my experience...then again and not being snarky I never have less than 16 Ram at 1866 or better in the box...

so there's that....

I've never had a single issue with Nightly definitely not the case with FF and IE...

not pushing it just offering it for analysis.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 10:43 AM (LRFds)

146 Posted by: 80sBaby at March 02, 2013 02:02 PM (YjDyJ)

Thanks

Posted by: Methos at March 02, 2013 10:47 AM (hO9ad)

147 138 134 Monolith, I was "monkey man #14"...the one hopping up and down ruminating over whether to eat bananas or cattle... Posted by: sven10077 at March 02, 2013 02:20 PM (LRFds) Dem cattles turned out to be mighty tasty, eh? You're welcome. I was standing there at the dawn of the BBQ era, too. Did anybody notice? Nooooooooo.... Charcoal and Gas, not campfires. See ya at Jupiter!

Posted by: The Monolith at March 02, 2013 10:49 AM (/AXpj)

148 CS Lewis was a Christian Dominionist who hated women. And he was a racist as well- a reading of the Islamophobia inherent in the later Narnia novels proves it. He could never have appreciated the vision for the future that our brave and multiracial President, Barack Obama, possesses.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at March 02, 2013 10:59 AM (dqSmk)

149 who hated women So does 90% of the Left, including the women. What's your point? and racist See above.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 02, 2013 11:10 AM (/AXpj)

150 I'm still sorry I got rid of my Mac SE. I really love System 6 and there are still people trying to keep SEs usable (to the point of making grey scale video cards for them.) I am using a G5 running Tiger for my work computer. I VPN into my real work computer, which runs XP. There's a nice variant of FF developed for G5s called TenFour. It's amazing how fast it is. I've always believed that you need to go with low end Mac products. You can get some nice hardware that way. And Vista? If there is one MS product hated by tech support, it's Vista. (Fortunately we don't see ME these days.) I have a new Roku box to set up. Trying to wean the boyfriend away from Comcast tv. And I'm porting the phone number away from Comcast and over to the company I work for. Will save us a lot of money. I can't ditch Comcast internet (because the alternative is slow dsl from Century Link), but I'm going to try and pay as little as I can to Comcast.

Posted by: notsothoreau at March 02, 2013 11:17 AM (Lqy/e)

151 So true. Obama IS the omnipotent moral busybody, the Republicans are for gay rights and drug legalization and they definitely steer clear of codifying their morality into law. It all makes sense now.

Posted by: Jerkface at March 02, 2013 11:24 AM (Vt4pm)

152 I still use a 17-year-old Mac Performa with Illustrator 8 and Photoshop 5.5 for graphics work. Like certain model cars, some years and versions of software (and sometimes hardware) are better than others.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 02, 2013 11:31 AM (wf7zD)

153 Yeah. That MacOS 6.0.8 was so far ahead of it's time.

Posted by: Steve Jobs at March 02, 2013 11:33 AM (e8kgV)

154 Behead all who irritate Emperor-Messiah Obama.

Posted by: Chris Mathews at March 02, 2013 12:51 PM (WnjLc)

155 Well, by mechanical I mean I've had fans go, the light behind the laptop screen, that sort of thing, or that a newer version of Word is no longer compatible with a later one, causing me to throw it through the wall. Just kidding on that one.

Posted by: PJ at March 02, 2013 01:45 PM (ZWaLo)

156 Lewis predicted Muslims were going to infiltrate free societies, too. His "Calormenes" are Muslims and they conquer Narnia mostly through infiltration not outright battle (think Londonistan today, and the push for Sharia law in the US). Lewis knew the dangers of Islam and he knew the dangers of secular tyrants as well (That Hideous Strength). The man was prescient.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at March 02, 2013 01:52 PM (KL49F)

157 Joy Davidson would be surprised to hear Lewis "hated women", LOL! As would his god daughter, Lucy. In fact, he was quite sensitive to women and made sure roughly half his heroes were in fact heroines because he knew he had a lot of female readers.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at March 02, 2013 01:55 PM (KL49F)

158 For a good web browser try Opera, Opera.com. Used various versions since 1992 or so . Was originally able to fit on a 3.5 " floppy.

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at March 02, 2013 03:19 PM (1T2/R)

159 What was more than good enough won't be after corporate makes us encrypt our hard drives, run daily scans for malware, and installs the lamest antivirus on the market because they got a deal. Then they push patches and software updates during the workday, because that's when most PCs are on the network. I won't even go into the useless feature wars and the office ribbon. A multiple core processor helps some with all this, but all processors wait at the same speed. The only truly noticeable improvements come from things that are orders of magnitude faster. That would be cable internet vs dialup and a ssd vs a hard drive for most people.

Posted by: MarkD at March 03, 2013 06:43 AM (+xUiW)

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