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July 10, 2013

Cheap solar power 15% conversion efficiency...
— Purple Avenger

...This allows water splitting to take place that leads to the capture of about 15% of the energy in the incident sunlight - that which falls on a set area for a set length of time. This energy can then be stored in the form of hydrogen...

The big thing about hydrogen production has always been that it took power to crack water apart. If that power comes from free sunlight, and doesn't need any fancy/expensive chemicals, the production value equation changes.

A pretty good commercial solar panel will be about 15% efficient. The really cheap poly-silicon stuff is in the 10% range. So 15% out of rust-tech looks pretty good. All the usual caveats about hydrogen apply to commercialization though...hydrogen embrittlment, seal issues on fittings, splodyness in crashes, etc.

Mid-morning open thread major, with a minor in Zimmerman trial.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 04:49 AM | Comments (209)
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I was promised fusion power and anti-grav.

They really are letting me down.

Posted by: Invictus at July 10, 2013 04:53 AM (OQpzc)

2 Cheap solar power

An oxy-Moron

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 04:53 AM (lZvxr)

3 nth!

Posted by: DrSteve at July 10, 2013 04:53 AM (wwKgz)

4 This will be awesome for the Mars colonists.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at July 10, 2013 04:53 AM (g0gDM)

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 04:53 AM (/PCJa)

6 with a minor in Zimmerman trial.

If the prosecution ain't worth a shit, you must acquit.

Posted by: Methos, in his best Johnny Cochran voice at July 10, 2013 04:53 AM (hO9ad)

Hydrogen is nice if you can find a gold storage medium. I always liked the statement that Hydrogen tank rupture won't "explode" because gas is too light and will escape before it can ignite. Failing to mention anything at 1000+ psi rupturing IS an explosion.

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at July 10, 2013 04:53 AM (ptf90)

8 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 04:53 AM (/PCJa)

9 So is this about solar power, or hydrogen power? Because: way different.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 04:54 AM (/PCJa)

10 15%? How large a "rust" cell do we need to power one home for one day?

Posted by: EC at July 10, 2013 04:54 AM (GQ8sn)

11 Don't do it!

Posted by: Baron von Hindenburg at July 10, 2013 04:54 AM (71LDo)

12 I was promised fusion power and anti-grav.

Mr Fusion and the Cubs in the world series were supposed to be realities by now, weren't they?

Posted by: Methos at July 10, 2013 04:55 AM (hO9ad)

13 Hydrogen is nice if you can find a gold storage medium. Yes... yesssssss.

Posted by: Evil Gold "Fingers" at July 10, 2013 04:55 AM (/PCJa)

14 Mr Fusion and the Cubs in the world series were supposed to be realities by now, weren't they? 2 more years. 1955 1985 2015 1885

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 04:56 AM (/PCJa)

15 Go to the Remington story on the sidebar. The illustration of a rifle at the top of the articles is a Marlin lever action.

Posted by: Gun Nutz at July 10, 2013 04:56 AM (2hpna)

16 Hydrogen is nice if you can find a gold storage medium. I always liked the statement that Hydrogen tank rupture won't "explode" because gas is too light and will escape before it can ignite. Failing to mention anything at 1000+ psi rupturing IS an explosion.

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at July 10, 2013 08:53 AM (ptf90)

H2 will "leak" through anything and the worst thing about it? Pure H2 burns with an invisible flame.

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 04:57 AM (lZvxr)

17 I wore skivvies in the field for 21 days. The rust content? Simply astounding. Yes indeed.

Posted by: fastfreefall at July 10, 2013 04:57 AM (Rw8tn)

Semi-interesting anectodal info:

I posted a comment at the local rag's most recent Zimmerman story last night detailing some of usual fucktardery (unsurprisingly, the 'narrative' is changing to 'some Americans may be disappointed in the verdict' and discussions about possible rioting).

Anyway, it's a disqus format and plenty of 'up votes' registered by this morning, no 'down votes', and all the comments on the story were either pro-Zimmerman or at least anti-fucktard media.

A couple of months ago I would be getting accused of teh RACISM!!11!! for pointing out inconvenient facts.

FWIW

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at July 10, 2013 04:57 AM (NF2Bf)

19 splodyness in crashes If you're referring to hydrogen-powered cars, how does that differ from petroleum? At least a hydrogen flame would be straight up in the air as opposed to a gasoline fire.

Posted by: Gran at July 10, 2013 04:57 AM (mw0FO)

20 "Hydrogen is nice if you can find a gold storage medium. I always liked the statement that Hydrogen tank rupture won't "explode" because gas is too light and will escape before it can ignite."

Ahem.

Posted by: Hindenberg at July 10, 2013 04:58 AM (2hpna)

21 Hydrogen gas and the Zimmerman trial verdict: both 'splodey!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/i][/b][/s] at July 10, 2013 04:58 AM (CYKf3)

I think I once calculated that with even 100% efficiency half of Arizona would need to be covered in solar panels to meet US power demands just for electricity. Adding transportation would be another thing.

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at July 10, 2013 04:58 AM (ptf90)

23 @20 The powdered aluminum paint on that thing was a bit of an accelerant.

Posted by: Gran at July 10, 2013 04:59 AM (mw0FO)

24 Rust never sleeps.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 10, 2013 04:59 AM (ccXZP)

25 What happened to Ben's morning dump?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 10, 2013 05:00 AM (zF6Iw)

26 What happened to Ben's morning dump? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 10, 2013 09:00 AM (zF6Iw) Takes time to crib the links from Drudge and Hot Air. *runs*

Posted by: EC at July 10, 2013 05:01 AM (GQ8sn)

27 10%, 15%, what difference does it make?

Posted by: Hillary at July 10, 2013 05:01 AM (HDgX3)

28 If you're referring to hydrogen-powered cars, how does that differ from petroleum?

Gasoline isn't under high pressure, hydrogen would be. Even a small breach in a hydrogen system is going to dump everything almost instantly.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:02 AM (/gHaE)

29 25 What happened to Ben's morning dump? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 10, 2013 09:00 AM (zF6Iw) Link constipation... dealt and damn near fatal, I'm told

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/i][/b][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:02 AM (CYKf3)

30 Deadly, dammit

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/i][/b][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:03 AM (CYKf3)

31 Detroit is sitting on a mint!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 05:03 AM (pZ0pM)

32 I want a cheap natural gas compressor. If I could get that, the rest of the universe could pound sand.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at July 10, 2013 05:04 AM (JQuNB)

33 Posted by: Lurking Canuck at July 10, 2013 08:57 AM (NF2Bf) _____________ I remember people saying "I wrote an anti-Obama comment on Yahoo and got 87 likes and only 3 dislikes, this means Obama is finished in November" Just saying....don't judge the mood of the country based on comments for a news story.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 10, 2013 05:04 AM (HDgX3)

34 If you're referring to hydrogen-powered cars, how does that differ from petroleum?

Tell me about it

Posted by: Michael Hastings at July 10, 2013 05:04 AM (hO9ad)

35 That's always been one of my issues with the ohhh let's all go to hydrogen run cars! Won't they go kinda all boom in an accident? Like, a lot?
I would love for solar to become more efficient. Take my parent's house, the roof gets excellent exposure most of the day. It would be great if they could have say solar shingles that would provide for a substantial part of their energy needs. Someone is going to make that breakthrough and become Croesus rich from it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 10, 2013 05:04 AM (VtjlW)

36 So is this about solar power, or hydrogen power? Because: way different.

1st law of thermodynamics.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:04 AM (/gHaE)

37 Purp @ 28 True, but my point was that it wouldn't billow out like a heavier-than-air petroleum-based fuel vapor would. http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=482

Posted by: Gran at July 10, 2013 05:04 AM (mw0FO)

38 Hydrogen is nice if you can find a gold storage medium. I always liked the statement that Hydrogen tank rupture won't "explode" because gas is too light and will escape before it can ignite. NOW you tell me. -The Hindenburg

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 05:05 AM (pZ0pM)

39 The reality is that the enviro-nuts do not want a solution to energy. They want everyone to live at a subsistence level EXCEPT for the Liberal elite/intelligentsia, which always includes them. They ardently desire serfdom for 95% of the world's population AFTER a major portion of that population has been eliminated through a nice pandemic or three. They are not nice, rational, or sane.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:05 AM (kXoT0)

40 But, with cheap hydrogen, I'm sure it's not too far to bond it into a more staple form with some carbon, yeah?

Or.

We could just pump more of it out of the ground.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 10, 2013 05:05 AM (VjL9S)

41 " I was promised fusion power and anti-grav. " Yeah! Where the heck is my jet-pack? It's 2013 for crying out loud.

Posted by: shredded chi at July 10, 2013 05:07 AM (NRQlH)

42 I want a cheap natural gas compressor. If I could get that, the rest of the universe could pound sand. I have a cheap natural gas generator.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 05:07 AM (pZ0pM)

43 The important thing about solar-hydrogen power (now that I've actually clicked through the link) is that it (at least potentially) solves the energy storage problem. We can't store electricity, except in small amounts and at great cost. Mostly, it's "use it or lose it." Anything generated by a power plant has to be used or grounded. Now, for a power plant using coal, oil, or nuclear power to boil water, that's not really a big problem. As long as you've got people to make sure the plant is operating, it's generating power. For a solar plant, that's a big deal- when the sun isn't up it's not generating power, BUT there was probably a lot of power that it grounded during the day. So if, instead of sending electricity directly to the grid, we could use Solar to (basically) create Hydrogen for burning, Solar plants become (in essence) a combination of a hydrogen mine and a power plant (just like "fossil fuel plants") which basically boils water for steam and turns a turbine. I'm not really certain it's worth it; 15% energy absorption doesn't seem like much, especially since solar power is not particularly energy dense by the time it's filtered through our atmosphere to begin with. But it is kind of cool.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:08 AM (/PCJa)

44 The reality is that the enviro-nuts do not want a solution to energy.

True that. They don't want to provide people with solutions, they want people to do penance for being human

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:08 AM (/gHaE)

45 40 But, with cheap hydrogen, I'm sure it's not too far to bond it into a more staple form with some carbon, yeah? Or. We could just pump more of it out of the ground. Posted by: RoyalOil at July 10, 2013 09:05 AM (VjL9S) Carbon?!? Are you raysis or sumpin?

Posted by: BignJames at July 10, 2013 05:09 AM (Sg0G/)

46 Do the nanostructures have to be kept a certain size to keep working? How do we manage that?

Posted by: DrSteve at July 10, 2013 05:09 AM (wwKgz)

47 You know what does work really well to control heating and cooling costs--geothermal. I have had it in two houses now and it is great, especially in Oklahoma where the challenge is more about staying cool than warming up. When my friends with smaller houses have a $500 or $600 electric bill for July and mine is $200 or so, it's nice.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:09 AM (kXoT0)

48 We could just pump more of it out of the ground.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 10, 2013 09:05 AM (VjL9S)

I have heard rumors that we may have a fair amount of the stuff underground and underwater.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:09 AM (eSrLn)

49 Regarding St. Trachyon:

Ok. We've had the trial, all the photos have been introduced, all the evidence has been put on: Where the fuck are the Skittles and ice tea?

Dare I suggest they were 1) not found or 2) well away from the scene placed in a manner that indicates they we set down, not dropped? Like, you know, St. Trovachy went back to confront GZ?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 10, 2013 05:09 AM (VjL9S)

50 Or we could use nuclear power and coal to create synfuels.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 10, 2013 05:10 AM (codCi)

51 The powdered aluminum paint on that thing was a bit of an accelerant. Fire doesn't melt aluminum. Otherwise your hotdogs would be ruined. -Rosie O

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 05:10 AM (pZ0pM)

52 1st law of thermodynamics. The 1st law can pound sand- in this instance. Just like there's a huge difference between solar power and fossil fuels. Obviously we're not talking about the energy itself, but its utility. And, as it turns out, this is about hydrogen power- using the sun and rust to split water into it's component H & 02, storing the hydrogen, and burning at a later time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:11 AM (/PCJa)

53 I have a cheap natural gas generator.

Yeah, mine seems to be leaking right now.

Posted by: Damn you, Taco Bell !!! *shakes fist* at July 10, 2013 05:11 AM (hO9ad)

54 Or we could use nuclear power and coal ~~to create synfuels~~.

Posted by: toby928Â© predicts at July 10, 2013 09:10 AM (codCi)

FIFY

Keep it simple and efficient. Pollution is a thing of the past.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:12 AM (eSrLn)

55 Can you guarantee that this thread won't make a Poofy?

Posted by: Waldo at July 10, 2013 05:12 AM (vDjkK)

56 The last numbers I saw for solar power in residential usage showed that they were only an economically viable alternative in one location in the country. That was parts of Southern CA near the coast and only on new construction.

Several factors made it so there. Relative mild weather, high electricity cost, and lots of sunshine compared to most other parts of the country. And that "viability" was only for an initial installation that qualified for both federal and State subsidies. (those were only one time shot deals and at the time the predicted lifespan for the cells was only 10 years)

The South may be assumed to be a viable location, particularly parts of TX that get loads of sunshine. The problem there is you need AC and residential solar simply will not power residential AC

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:12 AM (lZvxr)

57 A hydrogen infrastructure makes sense for a future society without fossil fuels, for us, not so much.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 10, 2013 05:12 AM (codCi)

58 Energy from rust? We're in the money!

Posted by: Detroit at July 10, 2013 05:12 AM (SzAZ7)

59 Judge ruled animation not allowed....and text msgs. not allowed. Unbelievable....

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:13 AM (X6akg)

60 Anybody know if anything ever came of this (2007 article about using a gallium catalyst for aluminum to alumina in water)? http://tinyurl.com/264mo2 The focus at the time was on the hydrogen gas generated in the reaction, but I think the aluminum oxidation produces an assload of heat that dwarfs what could be gained from burning the hydrogen. TANSTAAFL, but it would make one hell of a storage medium.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 10, 2013 05:13 AM (V3kRK)

61 You know what does work really well to control heating and cooling costs--geothermal. I need to see how well that would work out in Eastland, TX. One of those personal wind-power turbines + a geothermal generator might be all a person needs out there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:13 AM (/PCJa)

62 22
I think I once calculated that with even 100% efficiency half of Arizona would need to be covered in solar panels to meet US power demands just for electricity. Adding transportation would be another thing.
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You must not believe in science or something.
Because the eco-leftists just know that solar panels on rooftops will meet all our energy needs.
And the only reason we don't have cars that run on water is because the oil companies bought the patents and locked the designs away on a shelf.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 10, 2013 05:13 AM (VjL9S)

63 Judge ruled animation not allowed....and text msgs. not allowed.

Meh. The question will be moot when the jury acquits, and if not, reversible error, so it's all good.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 10, 2013 05:14 AM (codCi)

64 No, the future belongs to dilithium crystals not rust.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2013 05:15 AM (BAS5M)

65 Anything generated by a power plant has to be used or grounded.

Which is why utilities only generate exactly what is needed. If you generate more the voltage and frequency will go up.

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:15 AM (lZvxr)

66 Posted by: Tami at July 10, 2013 09:13 AM (X6akg) It's only unbelievable if you think this was ever supposed to be a fair trial.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:15 AM (/PCJa)

67 Well, the judge just committed reversible error. Z will win the appeal.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 10, 2013 05:15 AM (eytER)

68 As for Traytable and the show trial, it is bizarre to watch them try to convict a nice Brown/Black man for killing a Black teenage thug in self-defense. At what point should some media honcho grand poobah have said this,

"OK, let me get this the f@ck straight...this George Zimmerman dude is not some old Jew with a hard-on for Black folks? This is an Hispanic in Florida who killed a Black kid who was beating him up, amirite? You want to keep running stories painting this Trayvon thug as some little angel angel killed by a bloodthirsty nut? Forget it. Let it die. We are not covering it."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:15 AM (kXoT0)

69 Do the nanostructures have to be kept a certain size to keep working?

It looks like maximizing reaction surface area is the key thing. The pic in the article shows a structure with huge reactive surface area per square unit.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:15 AM (/gHaE)

70 Did judge rule against the text coming in? What a bitch!

Posted by: Waldo at July 10, 2013 05:16 AM (vDjkK)

not allowing the texts is reversible error, so sayeth Florida Appeals Court

dumb bitch

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:16 AM (zOTsN)

72 The question will be moot when the jury acquits, and if not, reversible error, so it's all good. Unless you're George Zimmerman begging to be put in solitary so you don't get shanked while you await your appeal.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:16 AM (/PCJa)

73 Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 09:12 AM (lZvxr)

Huh? What numbers have you seen?

Arizona is considered an excellent state for solar--better than CA.

That of course is separating the economics from the physics.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:16 AM (eSrLn)

74 Can't the defense file an emergency appeal up the chain and get her overturned before resting?

Posted by: GMan at July 10, 2013 05:17 AM (sxq57)

75 Time for a David Burge Iowahawk funny tweet: @whitehouse President Obama: "Taxpayers deserve the biggest bang for their buck" "Thanks, but you've banged us enough already"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2013 05:18 AM (wqcCk)

76 The DA hid discovery thereby preventing the defense from finding wits that judge fatass says are necessary for admission - yeah, this may be reversible error. But who the fuck wants to go thru an unnecessary retrial? You know this bitch will deny bail on appeal and GZ has no to little money left.

Posted by: Waldo at July 10, 2013 05:18 AM (vDjkK)

77 Unless you're George Zimmerman begging to be put in solitary so you don't get shanked while you await your appeal.

True that, but he should be able to bond out pretty quickly. And anyway, the jury has plenty of evidence to acquit without these texts if they are going to.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 10, 2013 05:18 AM (codCi)

78 Just saying....don't judge the mood of the country based on comments for a news story. Just saying....don't judge how the electorate actually voted based on the published returns.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 10, 2013 05:18 AM (V3kRK)

Yeah! Where the heck is my jet-pack? It's 2013 for crying out loud.

To hell with the jet-pack. Where the heck are the sexbots?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 10, 2013 05:18 AM (zF6Iw)

80 The next hit...judge will tell the jury to disregard John Donnelly's testimony.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 10, 2013 05:18 AM (eytER)

81 no, no emergency appeal until trial is over. She has ruled

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:18 AM (zOTsN)

82 I need to see how well that would work out in Eastland, TX.

One of those personal wind-power turbines + a geothermal generator might be all a person needs out there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 09:13 AM (/PCJa)

I had this house built in 2006 and they still drilled wells to do geothermal, but, now they have new systems that can be laid out in patterns and then a patio is poured on top to protect the lines...much cheaper. We had another house before this one that already had geothermal and we were amazed at how cheap it was to run. So, when we built this house, it was a no brainer.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:19 AM (kXoT0)

83 Huh? What numbers have you seen?

Arizona is considered an excellent state for solar--better than CA.

That of course is separating the economics from the physics.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 09:16 AM (eSrLn)

That was an EPRI article years ago and yes AZ has lots o sun, but it also needs lots o A/C.

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:19 AM (lZvxr)

84 Which is why utilities only generate exactly what is needed. If you generate more the voltage and frequency will go up. Except for "Solar Based" utilities, which have to keep back-up generators running (because they take for-freaking-ever to spin up) in case of bad weather, night time, etc. So they're still generating electricity via fossil fuels, they're just immediately grounding it until they need it. Which is why I really REALLY want someone to sue Green Mountain Energy (with their "100% Renewable Energy!" plan) for fraud.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:19 AM (/PCJa)

85 Then she's a whore and deserves to be strung the fuck up.

Posted by: GMan at July 10, 2013 05:19 AM (sxq57)

Ok. We've had the trial, all the photos have been introduced, all the evidence has been put on: Where the fuck are the Skittles and ice tea?

And how did TM's cellphone (evidence) get it's stuff erased?

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2013 05:19 AM (BAS5M)

87 The next hit...judge will tell the jury to disregard John Donnelly's testimony.

Try and unring that bell.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 10, 2013 05:19 AM (codCi)

the only ear witness he heard on June 25 was the one who did not ID the screams, only the sound of running

no harm, no foul

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:19 AM (zOTsN)

89 And how did TM's cellphone (evidence) get it's stuff erased?

Manually. By who remains a mystery.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 10, 2013 05:20 AM (codCi)

90 When you talk about "geothermal" are you talking about a FL style heat pump?

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:20 AM (lZvxr)

91 Suspenders, the legal expert, has to have done the judge.

Posted by: Waldo at July 10, 2013 05:21 AM (vDjkK)

92 The DA hid discovery thereby preventing the defense from finding wits that judge fatass says are necessary for admission - yeah, this may be reversible error. Forget "hid discovery." That is (or should be) "prosecutorial misconduct."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:21 AM (/PCJa)

93 Not allowing the texts is reversible error, so sayeth Florida Appeals Court So what does that mean is the next step for the defense?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2013 05:21 AM (wqcCk)

94 Suspenders, the legal expert, has to have done the judge.

Eww. That's dedication.

Posted by: toby928© predicts at July 10, 2013 05:21 AM (codCi)

95 Where the heck are the sexbots? I am fully functional in all techniques.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke Mk. 1 at July 10, 2013 05:21 AM (GQ8sn)

FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2013 09:21 AM (wqcCk)

It means that if a conviction is returned Z wins his appeal.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 10, 2013 05:22 AM (eytER)

97 Manually. By who remains a mystery.

Put the whole chain of custody on stand and question each one.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:22 AM (/gHaE)

98 I'm grumpy, I think I may have lost all hope in expecting a little honesty and integrity with those who have been giving positions of leadership. As I listen to the commentators on the the live feed on fox, one stupid woman still trying to say trayvon was only trying to go back to the house with skittles. She knows she's lying but she doesn't care. Nobody seems to care about lying or holding anyone accountable for the lies. Should've had baileys with my coffee this morning. Sigh...

Posted by: spypeach at July 10, 2013 05:22 AM (0n1+D)

99 Dr. Barack Obama assured me that my GI DOE Algae Bloom Kit would net 20%, suckers! Bwahahaha!

Posted by: Fritz at July 10, 2013 05:22 AM (UzPAd)

100 I want my Cherry2000!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2013 05:22 AM (BAS5M)

101 1st witness of the day: former cop Dennis Root, who'll talk about self-defense and fighting. Professional witness.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:22 AM (X6akg)

102 It means that if a conviction is returned Z wins his appeal. Which only helps if he survives prison. Even then, it ruins his life (not that it'll be too rosy even if he gets acquitted).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:23 AM (/PCJa)

103 Professional witness....what an interesting gig. Wonder how you get it?

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 10, 2013 05:23 AM (eytER)

104 Wouldn't surprise me any if the prosecution maneuvered John Donnelly into the courtroom before hand so it could quash his eventual testimony. I trust the government less and less each day.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 10, 2013 05:23 AM (SzAZ7)

105 finish the trial, pray for an acquittal. If he is convicted, file an appeal. When he is finally released, leave Florida

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:24 AM (zOTsN)

106 Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 59s

We've been told that defense witness John Donnelly was not subpoenaed until 8 days after he was in court for trial

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 10, 2013 05:24 AM (codCi)

107 I am fully functional in all techniques.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke Mk. 1 at July 10, 2013 09:21 AM (GQ8sn)

Do something about that clogged drainpain, sweetie, then we'll talk.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 10, 2013 05:24 AM (zF6Iw)

108 AllenG @ 102 Hopefully he'll get some $$$ when he sues the piss out of NBC and CNN.

Posted by: Gran at July 10, 2013 05:24 AM (mw0FO)

109 'FDLE couldn't.' What's FDLE stand for?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2013 05:25 AM (wqcCk)

110 Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV 39s Was in court on Jun 25/Jun 26 and was subpoenaed as a witness Jul 4. Don't know how the judge will handle it. #Zimmermanon9

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 10, 2013 05:25 AM (codCi)

111 @KBelichWFTV We've been told that defense witness John Donnelly was not subpoenaed until 8 days after he was in court for trial. @KBelichWFTV Was in court on Jun 25/Jun 26 and was subpoenaed as a witness Jul 4. Don't know how the judge will handle it.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:25 AM (X6akg)

112 his life may already be ruined

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:25 AM (zOTsN)

113 1st witness of the day: former cop Dennis Root, who'll talk about self-defense and fighting. Good. Someone needs to point out that Z hitting St. Drank would have been futile, at best. No room to pull your arm back, nor to twist with the punch while you're pinned on the ground.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:25 AM (/PCJa)

114 When you talk about "geothermal" are you talking about a FL style heat pump?

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 09:20 AM (lZvxr)

I don't know what you mean. It is a system that pumps water through the ground to get the ambient temperature of 55 degrees and then raises it or lowers it to the desire temperature. In a state like Oklahoma with huge AC needs, any system that takes temps starting at 55 degrees and goes up is eezy peezy. It can be 110 outside and I keep it at 72 and don't worry about the bill. When we had our highest temp of 117, the system did not even run that much.

Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:26 AM (kXoT0)

115 Forget solar -- falling water with a modern turbine. I'd like to see 1/100th of the investment in solar panels go into improved compressors, fans, and pumps.

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:26 AM (CMlD4)

116 FDLE = FL Dept Law enforcement

State level, not county/local

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:27 AM (/gHaE)

117 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 09:26 AM (kXoT0)

OK that is a FL style heat pump. Have you factored in maintenance costs when the system starts leaking?

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:27 AM (lZvxr)

118 Hopefully he'll get some $$$ when he sues the piss out of NBC and CNN. Maybe, if he's lucky. But those suits will be much harder to win if he's convicted- at least until the conviction is vacated on appeal- since courts have judged that "felons have no reputation to defame."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:27 AM (/PCJa)

119

he was not a witness when he attended trial so he was not sequestered. As long as defense counsel acted in good faith and truly did not know he could become a witness, testimony comes in.

But with this judge, who knows

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:27 AM (zOTsN)

120

If rust is a good medium for solar power, why the hell do I still have to put gas in my car?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at July 10, 2013 05:27 AM (29vnO)

121 If rust is a good medium for solar power, why the hell do I still have to put gas in my car? Because your car engine doesn't run on hydrogen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:28 AM (/PCJa)

122 Should've had baileys with my coffee this morning. Sigh...

Posted by: spypeach at July 10, 2013 09:22 AM (0n1+D)

Wait, what, you can have coffee without Bailey's, who knew? When did that start?

** hunches over her mocha latte and cackles **

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:28 AM (kXoT0)

123 FDLE = FL Dept Law enforcement State level, not county/local For the State of Miami?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 05:29 AM (pZ0pM)

124 Here's a map showing Kwh/m*m/day

http://tinyurl.com/bpeu8mh

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:29 AM (eSrLn)

125 Some calculations on surface area needed for solar energy production for US requirements..

[link on handle to clean tech blog]

Posted by: RioBravo at July 10, 2013 05:30 AM (eEfYn)

126 "I always liked the statement that Hydrogen tank rupture won't 'explode' because gas is too light and will escape before it can ignite."

Do tell!

Posted by: The Hindenburg at July 10, 2013 05:30 AM (VrNoa)

127 OK that is a FL style heat pump. Have you factored in maintenance costs when the system starts leaking?

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 09:27 AM (lZvxr)

No leaks on this house and it is a dual system--one for each floor. The system at the other house developed a minor leak that caused it to lose vacuum, cost about $200 to get fixed and that included the mandatory $95 driving charge from Tulsa to the Lake Skiatook.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:31 AM (kXoT0)

128 MOM and wit on stand said that he only came forward on July 4th to MOM. Judge needs to get the dirt out of her ears.

Posted by: Waldo at July 10, 2013 05:31 AM (vDjkK)

129 Not bad. Use rust panels to generate hydrogen, use it as an industrial power source & to generate electricity with a gas turbine, which will run when the sun don' shine - better than direct conversion panels.

Keep hydrogen out of my house, and away from my car, please.

Posted by: West at July 10, 2013 05:31 AM (1Rgee)

130 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 09:29 AM (eSrLn)

As I said, simply looking at available sunshine is not sufficient.

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:32 AM (lZvxr)

131 If its not liquid hydrogen are you really trying?

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:32 AM (CMlD4)

132 FIFY Keep it simple and efficient. Pollution is a thing of the past. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 09:12 AM (eSrLn) China says hi. *clambers up on top of squirrel on awesome stepstool of awesomeness* You know what may infuriate me the most about the whole catastrophic anthropogenic global warming folderol? Besides that whole willful annihilation of the scientific process thing, I mean. It's that the fight about that drains away all the focus from actual environmental problems. Such as, say, China. Hell, let's discuss fracking. I'm in the fracking yay camp but I do want to know what the risks are. There has to some risk of ground water contamination so what's that risk and what steps should be taken to ameliorate that risk. Is strip mining the best way to mine coal or is there some other method available and what are the additional costs to that and what are the additional risks, particularly to the lives of the miners. We need batteries. Producing batteries generates some truly nasty byproducts. How do we dispose of that? Nuclear waste. We have to do something with it. What? None of that gets discussed in any type of rational manner because reason no longer has a seat at the table. Hell, look at wildfires. Even I know that you need to clear underbrush to prevent fires from spreading. But, nope, can't do that. Everything is all global warming all the time and the whole you deniery denier you thing makes someone like me, who is a conservationist at heart, want to go out and cook a spotted owl in baby seal fat over a tire fire.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 10, 2013 05:32 AM (VtjlW)

133 Some calculations on surface area needed for solar energy production for US requirements.. So we need the area equivalent to the size of Arkansas with nothing but panels to power the US?

Posted by: EC at July 10, 2013 05:33 AM (GQ8sn)

134 So Judge FatAss is going to scold an old man for coming forward as a witness? Got to scare off those defense wits, just like that ugly excuse for a DA Corey. Thank god she keeps her head down in court. She could turn the jury into stone.

Posted by: Waldo at July 10, 2013 05:33 AM (vDjkK)

135

judge may go after Donolly for contempt of court

unbelievable

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:33 AM (zOTsN)

136 @126 Remember the news footage of the explosion? All those bright visible flames? That wasn't the hydrogen.

Posted by: Gran at July 10, 2013 05:33 AM (mw0FO)

137 Nuclear waste. We have to do something with it. What? Bury it. Hey, it came from the ground, it can go back in the ground.

Posted by: EC at July 10, 2013 05:34 AM (GQ8sn)

138 Donnelly was the combat medic, this judge wants to be the most hated person in FL.

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:34 AM (CMlD4)

139 If the T-shjrt hung low, you must let him go.

Posted by: SurferDoc at July 10, 2013 05:34 AM (F+av1)

140 Not bad. Use rust panels to generate hydrogen, use it as an industrial power source to generate electricity with a gas turbine, which will run when the sun don' shine - better than direct conversion panels. Yep. Again, though, I'm not sure how economically feasible it is. How much hydrogen is created? How fast would you burn through what you make in a day? How expensive is it to store it? Considering the 2nd Law (since we already introduced the 1st into the discussion), if you convert 15% of terrestrial solar (not-very energy-dense) energy into hydrogen, and then burn that, how much more energy is lost? It's impossible to get 100% efficiency. Could you get 99%? 95%?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:35 AM (/PCJa)

141 As strange as it seems, coal could again become the low-cost fuel of choice for home heating. I've been on the lookout for a used wood/coal heater for a while now. They're hard to come by.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at July 10, 2013 05:35 AM (JQuNB)

142 Disposal of nuclear waste is not a technical problem, it is a political problem because the Dems are paying off their scummy commie green supporters.

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:35 AM (lZvxr)

143 Everything is all global warming all the time and the whole you deniery denier you thing makes someone like me, who is a conservationist at heart, want to go out and cook a spotted owl in baby seal fat over a tire fire.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 10, 2013 09:32 AM (VtjlW)

AtC, did you see the article a few weeks back about Bobby Kennedy's granddaughter participating in the baby seal culling? http://topconservativenews.com/2013/06/kennedy-granddaughter-shoots-baby-seals-in-canada/

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:35 AM (kXoT0)

144 EC @ 137 Just store it on the far side of the moon. We'll look after it. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Commander Koenig, Moonbase Alpha at July 10, 2013 05:35 AM (mw0FO)

145 We need batteries. Producing batteries generates some truly nasty byproducts. How do we dispose of that? Nuclear waste. We have to do something with it. What? Same way we get rid of congress & nuke fuel. Load up a rocket, aim towards sun, & launch.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 05:36 AM (pZ0pM)

146 want to go out and cook a spotted owl in baby seal fat over a tire fire. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 10, 2013 09:32 AM (VtjlW) That really does give it the best flavor. A fried bald eagle egg is nice on top.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 10, 2013 05:37 AM (da5Wo)

147 EC @ 137 Just store it on the far side of the moon. We'll look after it. What could possibly go wrong? Posted by: Commander Koenig, Moonbase Alpha at July 10, 2013 09:35 AM (mw0FO) Space 1999!!! Where's my damn moonbase?!?!

Posted by: EC at July 10, 2013 05:37 AM (GQ8sn)

148 Some idiot on the radio said all demos in Sanford have been peaceful. How about when they stopped and swarmed into a drug store and cleaned out? Was that peaceful? Peaceful stealing, I guess.

Posted by: Waldo at July 10, 2013 05:37 AM (vDjkK)

149 Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at July 10, 2013 09:35 AM (JQuNB)

Keep in mind that one of the Choom King's intended shit jobs is new clean air regulations on wood/carbon burning stoves. (also BBQ grills)

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:37 AM (lZvxr)

150 There's always room for a rocket stove, http://tinyurl.com/2ugvw5g Esp. coupled with a geo-thermal system.

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:37 AM (CMlD4)

151 I don't like the nitwit on the LI Twitter feed-Diana Tennis-"My spider sense says this witness is bad for the defense" Uggggggh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2013 05:37 AM (wqcCk)

152 So what does that mean is the next step for the defense? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2013 09:21 AM (wqcCk) Pray those six women have some common sense.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 10, 2013 05:37 AM (XIxXP)

153 Okay... back to working at work. Catch y'all later.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 10, 2013 05:38 AM (/PCJa)

154 As strange as it seems, coal could again become the low-cost fuel of choice for home heating. I've been on the lookout for a used wood/coal heater for a while now. They're hard to come by. vogelzang dot com

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 05:38 AM (pZ0pM)

155 Sorry; "Spidey" sense.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2013 05:38 AM (wqcCk)

156 @17 fastfreefall

Blued Steel? Yep, it may be cat-proof, but rust never sleeps.

Posted by: Esfoadiaf at July 10, 2013 05:39 AM (lI7o2)

157 We need batteries. Producing batteries generates some truly nasty byproducts. How do we dispose of that? Nuclear waste. We have to do something with it. What? Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 09:36 AM (pZ0pM)

That is the question I have been asking about electric and hybrid cars and their trunks full of batteries--how can they be "green" when those batteries are nasty to make and then to dispose of in a responsible battery. And DO NOT GET me stared on the plugging a car into an outlet is green because it's electricity hype...how was the damn electricity generated--unicorn farts and elf tickles?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:39 AM (kXoT0)

158 We need to keep the elf tickles on the ONT

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:40 AM (CMlD4)

159

We need batteries. Producing batteries generates some truly nasty byproducts. How do we dispose of that? Nuclear waste. We have to do something with it. What?

-------------------------

Stick it back in the same fucking hole you dug to get it out. This shit ain't rocket surgery.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 10, 2013 05:40 AM (CJjw5)

160 "
Ok. We've had the trial, all the photos have been introduced, all the evidence has been put on: Where the fuck are the Skittles and ice tea?

Dare I suggest they were 1) not found or 2) well away from the scene placed in a manner that indicates they we set down, not dropped? Like, you know, St. Trovachy went back to confront GZ?

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 10, 2013 09:09 AM (VjL9S)"

Exactly!That's been bugging me, too.

Posted by: West at July 10, 2013 05:40 AM (1Rgee)

161 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 10, 2013 09:32 AM (VtjlW)

I should have said that pollution is a thing of the past IN AMERICA! Who gives a rat's ass about China?

I recently spent an interesting several hours listening to two friends defending fracking. They are both PhD toxicologists and principals in risk assessment firms.

The risks are minimal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:40 AM (eSrLn)

162

she cant keep the texts out on authentication grounds, they are self authenticating according to the appellate court

she cant keep them out on hearsay grounds, they are an exception to the hearsay rule as reflecting TMs then existing mental, emotional, or physical condition

she cant keep them out on relevance grounds, as TMs state of mind was clearly relevant to GZs claim of self defense

total error

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:40 AM (zOTsN)

163

>>>Just store it on the far side of the moon. We'll look after it. What could possibly go wrong?

Then the Moon-hippies with their Save the Moon Whales crap will show up

Posted by: Moon Ranger at July 10, 2013 05:41 AM (3ZtZW)

164 Dennis Root!

I know that guy. How weird.

Posted by: Phinn at July 10, 2013 05:41 AM (oFH2D)

165 We need to keep the elf tickles on the ONT

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 09:40 AM (CMlD4)

Snort, that is just crazy talk.

** hunches back over her mocha latte with a fresh slug of Bailey's **

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:41 AM (kXoT0)

166 Stick it back in the same fucking hole you dug to get it out. This shit ain't rocket surgery.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 10, 2013 09:40 AM (CJjw5)

There are lots of safe ways to contain nuclear waste. The problem, and this will shock you, is political.

The fucking cocksuckers want us in the dark, dying of childhood diseases, crying for government help.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:41 AM (eSrLn)

167 rickb223 - gotta love a company that sell barrel stove kits for the burning times.

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:42 AM (CMlD4)

168 Apaprently Traymark's father texted back and forth with him about gun buying, and Traydad supposedly said that he was not into guns, and Traymark wouldn't reach for one because he didn't even know how to fire it or something, per poster at http://preview.tinyurl.com/lmghxkg

Posted by: Baldy at July 10, 2013 05:42 AM (tyDFN)

169 I think capacitive power storage is the future rather than reversible chemical reaction tech.

There's some shit been done with nano-tubes showing their capacitive energy density can exceed chem-tech by orders of magnitude.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:43 AM (/gHaE)

170 Then the Moon-hippies with their Save the Moon Whales crap will show up

Posted by: Moon Ranger at July 10, 2013 09:41 AM (3ZtZW)

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I for one do not want that crap near our new national parks!!!

Posted by: RioBravo at July 10, 2013 05:43 AM (eEfYn)

171 I am promised that my atomic flying car will be filled with Skittles and a Unicorn. Better clear a space in my driveway today!

Posted by: Low Information R*tard at July 10, 2013 05:43 AM (71LDo)

172 And speaking of sunshine and electric bills all this damn cloudy and rain shit are good for one thing even if they do hamper porch sittin.

Normally the last week in June and the first week in July are the hottest part of the year for me and I have some high electric bills. Not so this year.

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:43 AM (lZvxr)

173 Keep in mind that one of the Choom King's intended shit jobs is new clean air regulations on wood/carbon burning stoves. (also BBQ grills) Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 09:37 AM (lZvxr) Yeah, I know. That actually makes coal more attractive to me. I could live an exciting life of energy crime.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at July 10, 2013 05:44 AM (JQuNB)

174 Disposal of nuclear waste is not a technical problem, it is a political problem because the Dems are paying off their scummy commie green supporters.

Spot on. We have a plethora of safe and permanent disposal methods for even high level waste.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 10, 2013 05:44 AM (codCi)

175

>>>Stick it back in the same fucking hole you dug to get it out. This shit ain't rocket surgery.

Generally, yes.

Except the waste also includes all dangerously irradiated materials associated with production, which I dunno, might be desks for I know.

Posted by: Bigby's Bloody Knuckles at July 10, 2013 05:44 AM (3ZtZW)

176 The fucking cocksuckers want us in the dark, dying of childhood diseases, crying for government help.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 09:41 AM (eSrLn)

Exactly what I said upthread. In their perfect little green world, the bright and beautiful people will live in peaceful park like utopias while the few worker bees still required will live in unheated and un-air conditioned hovels.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 05:45 AM (kXoT0)

177 New dump up

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:45 AM (X6akg)

178

funny

all the thugs watching this case will now think their texts are absolutely private and protected. When they are not

Posted by: thunderb at July 10, 2013 05:45 AM (zOTsN)

179 Nuclear waste should be utilized as a heat source for Stirling engines. Blast that shit into space, and fuck the space hippies.

Posted by: Fritz at July 10, 2013 05:45 AM (UzPAd)

180 Nws dump

Posted by: Vic at July 10, 2013 05:45 AM (lZvxr)

181 rickb223 - gotta love a company that sell barrel stove kits for the burning times. I have their small boxwood stove. I'd give my left nut for their Rancher or Railroad Pot Belly models.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 05:45 AM (pZ0pM)

182 Posted by: Purp at July 10, 2013 09:43 AM (/gHaE)

And the health risks of nano-particles?

Unknown.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:46 AM (eSrLn)

183 nood dump up

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2013 05:46 AM (BAS5M)

184

What are we going to do with the multi-billion Yucca Mt. boondoggle now that they've decided to just leave nuclear waste lying around?

Posted by: Beagle at July 10, 2013 05:47 AM (sOtz/)

185 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at July 10, 2013 09:45 AM (kXoT0)

I think you and I hate the same people.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:47 AM (eSrLn)

186 The very fact that the hippies have a space program is a sign of the apocalyspe.

Posted by: Bigby's Bloody Knuckles at July 10, 2013 05:47 AM (3ZtZW)

187 rickb223 - that rancher looks awesome.

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:47 AM (CMlD4)

188 >>> want to go out and cook a spotted owl in baby seal fat over a tire fire. Don't do that. The tire fire will ruin the flavor. Wait, you're a conservationist?

Posted by: fluffy at July 10, 2013 05:48 AM (z9HTb)

189 I have their small boxwood stove. I'd give my left nut for their Rancher or Railroad Pot Belly models. Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2013 09:45 AM (pZ0pM) I looked seriously at the large boxwood model last year, but I couldn't quite pull the trigger.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at July 10, 2013 05:48 AM (JQuNB)

190 Nuclear waste should be re-processed into bombs.

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:48 AM (CMlD4)

191 They don't want to provide people with solutions, they want people to do penance for being human

And/or they've decided they don't want the middle class to have it because what's the point of being rich if idiots making $50k can have dishwashers and a fast car and the Internet.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 10, 2013 05:48 AM (OevbG)

192 Yeah, Baldy, interesting thread and analysis over at the Conservative TreeHouse. Here's another link. Worth a read: http://goo.gl/MWeKu

Posted by: Waldo at July 10, 2013 05:49 AM (vDjkK)

193 owl is best when roasted over ancient redwood

Posted by: Jean at July 10, 2013 05:49 AM (CMlD4)

194 And the health risks of nano-particles?

The tubes aren't particles per-se, they remain planted and are quite sturdy and not prone to busting into pieces. Pure carbon is pretty bio-inert

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 05:50 AM (/gHaE)

195 What are we going to do with the multi-billion Yucca Mt. boondoggle now that they've decided to just leave nuclear waste lying around?

Age cheese?

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 10, 2013 05:50 AM (codCi)

196 Who killed the electric car? George Zimmerman, creepy-ass cracker.

Posted by: zsasz at July 10, 2013 05:50 AM (MMC8r)

197 Exactly what I said upthread. In their perfect little green world, the bright and beautiful people will live in peaceful park like utopias while the few worker bees still required will live in unheated and un-air conditioned hovels. Sherry, you going to see that new MATT DAMON!!! movie?

Posted by: EC at July 10, 2013 05:54 AM (GQ8sn)

198 Posted by: Purp at July 10, 2013 09:50 AM (/gHaE)

Ah, I was referring to nano-particles in general, not the carbon ones.

But.....there are significant health effects from seemingly benign chemicals in particular structures (asbestos), so I would tread carefully.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2013 05:54 AM (eSrLn)

199
Well, the judge just committed reversible error. Z will win the appeal.

The judge is doing her best to insure a conviction...and it's a given that if GZ is convicted, he will not be allowed to remain out on bail during his appeal. The whole point of this charade is to put him in jail....general population, where nature will be allowed to take it's course.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 10, 2013 05:56 AM (0IhFx)

200 Just saying....don't judge the mood of the country based on comments for a news story.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Hence the words "Semi-interesting, anectodal evidence". Nor did I imply that I'm presuming to 'judge the mood of the country based on comments for a news story'.

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at July 10, 2013 06:05 AM (BrQrN)

201 There's precautions to be taken when cutting things like CF, but that's a more macro issue.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 10, 2013 06:11 AM (/gHaE)

202 Another pipe dream to get more money from the government tit. Anyone seen where all this water's going to come from? Most states are needing a lot more of it and don't have a lot of excess inventory laying around.

Posted by: Dang at July 10, 2013 06:14 AM (Hx2XA)

203 Re hydrogen storage: The best solution I know of is to use it to convert CO2 to liquid fuel - an unsolved problem, though a lot of capable people are working on it. FrontTowardLeft, #60: Interesting. The catch is where the energy comes from to make the aluminum. (Either fossil fuels, or hydroelectric, which doesn't scale.)

Posted by: JPS at July 10, 2013 06:43 AM (g11mv)

204 Interesting. The catch is where the energy comes from to make the aluminum. (Either fossil fuels, or hydroelectric, which doesn't scale.) Hence my TANSTAAFL. I was thinking more in terms of time/location shifting: Nuke plants in nobody's back yard or offshore Solar furnaces in the middle of uninhabitable deserts PA did comment @169 that he thinks capacitors will win this race. I defer to him.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 10, 2013 06:57 AM (V3kRK)

205 Affordable superconducting materials would be a game changer. We could locate all the nuke plants in the barren wastes and ship their power where needed.

Posted by: toby928© retweets at July 10, 2013 07:47 AM (codCi)

206 Dang at 202 above, You burn the hydrogen to generate electricity and water (H2O). Can unprocessed sea water be used in the process? If so then even better.

Posted by: huggy at July 10, 2013 08:33 AM (o00SF)

207 What isn't mentioned in the original link is what becomes of the oxygen that is also produced when water is electrolyzed on the rust substrate. One volume of O2 for each two of H2, curiously enough. As far as I can see, these cells would produce an explosive mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. That mixture would make a fine fuel for a gas turbine or reciprocating engine; might be kinda scary to supply as home heating fuel. Any effort to separate the two gases is going to involve further energy input to overcome entropy.

If this rust-electrolysis cell can be made to work reliably on an industrial scale, I envision "plants" with large acreages devoted to electrolysis chambers, plus old-fashioned gasometers to store the resultant gas at low pressure, and the stored gas being burned in turbines or reciprocating engines tuned to function well on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2013 10:17 AM (fNpC1)

208 A company called Ambri is promising really cheap storage batteries that can hold grid-level amounts of power and will last for years of service. Instead of converting power to hydrogen, this simply would store the power for later use. He didn't give efficiency numbers, but I expect they are better than 15%. If this works as promised, this is going to be huge. This would allow the grid to become *much* more robust, smoothing out imbalances between production and consumption. Renewables like wind and solar would become much more practical and cost-effective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khf9UYg2ISw

Posted by: mr_jack at July 10, 2013 11:49 AM (TMG3G)

209 Great. There will be a Chinese-made Hindenburg on my roof generating electricity.

What could go wrong?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at July 10, 2013 12:22 PM (zWMG0)

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