February 20, 2013
— Ace Ah, that was cheap, and so's this zero-content post.
ItÂ’s the highest job approval Governor Chris Christie has ever had. At 74 percent, itÂ’s the highest of any New Jersey Governor in the 17 years that Quinnipiac has been polling the state, and the highest of any Governor in the seven states that Quinnipiac polls now....
“If the Democrat was Andrew Cuomo or Hillary Clinton, Clinton beats him 49 percent to 45 percent — within the margin of error — and Cuomo trails him 54 percent to 36 percent in New Jersey,” Carroll explains.
I'll find something more important in a second.
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Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2013 01:00 PM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 20, 2013 01:01 PM (/kI1Q)
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Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 20, 2013 01:01 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2013 01:01 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 20, 2013 01:01 PM (xAtAj)
So much for that 85% rule.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 20, 2013 01:02 PM (Ipj15)
Posted by: Kerncon at February 20, 2013 01:02 PM (2PWuT)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 20, 2013 01:02 PM (5UlAL)
Posted by: rick at February 20, 2013 01:02 PM (6bPHi)
Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2013 01:03 PM (53z96)
Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 01:03 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 20, 2013 01:04 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 01:04 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2013 01:04 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2013 01:04 PM (KXm42)
Yet, somehow, Hillary-of-the-Benghazi still beats him by 4%.
Idiocracy indeed. Even if we "win" we lose.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 20, 2013 01:04 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2013 01:04 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Serious Cat at February 20, 2013 01:04 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: L, elle at February 20, 2013 01:06 PM (0PiQ4)
Ace, you're a real piece of work. Two posts ago, you are all fed up with people being all judgmental. How the heck is this different? (Unless is ALWAYS open season on RINOs).
Posted by: Liberty Lover at February 20, 2013 01:06 PM (encrR)
Posted by: Jmel at February 20, 2013 01:06 PM (9tSXa)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 01:06 PM (zpqa2)
Because he doesn't constantly spew venom towards the Left when we demand it. Because he realizes that the secret to success in politics (not just blue-state politics, but NATIONAL politics) is coming across as a reasonable "I can work with these guys across the aisle!" sort of guy.
So we call him a fat egomaniac, even though he's still probably the best hope we have for rehabilitating the GOP's image.
Attitudes like that are basically why we're doomed. We don't recognize that this guy out there is actually playing the game for conservatives far better than any other GOP politician in the country right now: because he's NOT instantly repelling swing voters and even center-lefties. Meanwhile we take that appeal as de facto proof that he's a traitor.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 20, 2013 01:07 PM (bcLhD)
The fucker is a lawyer. That's what we need another fucking lawyer running for something.
His only job, lawyer, lobbyist, US Attorney, Governor.
You see any employment in the private sector?
Being a fucking lawyer doesn't count, they think money comes in the mail. You write a bill and people send you money back.
No thanks, he reached his Peter Principle high.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 20, 2013 01:07 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2013 01:08 PM (RD7QR)
... also, 98% agreement with liberal Andrew Cuomo.
Posted by: thirteen28 at February 20, 2013 01:08 PM (IHjpu)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 20, 2013 01:08 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 01:08 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Sidney Greenstreet at February 20, 2013 01:08 PM (Dll6b)
Here's a question that should scare the shit out of the demorat party. If white people ever voted in bloc, there would never be another leftist elected.
A huge lesson is missing here and we have failed to pick up on it.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 01:08 PM (tVTLU)
Can they both lose? I could probably stomach that.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 20, 2013 01:08 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: crosspatch at February 20, 2013 01:09 PM (YRCZD)
35 -
Oh shut up. Sometimes you don't even bother pretending you have the slightest interest in being anything other than a simpering contrarian.
Go jump in a lake you crybaby.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2013 01:10 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 20, 2013 01:10 PM (GFM2b)
Meanwhile we take that appeal as de facto proof that he's a traitor.
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Yeah.... heaping praise on your parties opponent two days before a close election does have that effect.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2013 01:10 PM (nELVU)
How is Christie's reforms anything compared to what Walker has done in WI?
Also, I'd consider Dr. Carson to have far more transformation potential than Christie. (Like a modern day Coolidge).
Posted by: Serious Cat at February 20, 2013 01:10 PM (UypUQ)
Christie is a dem that can do math and is funny.
That's about it.... also, 98% agreement with liberal Andrew Cuomo
I'm pretty sure that CC will NEVER propose a ban on large soft drinks.
Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 01:10 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Jon at February 20, 2013 01:10 PM (jr5Bn)
Well, that and the GOP establishment poison as well.
Posted by: thirteen28 at February 20, 2013 01:11 PM (IHjpu)
Jeff B.
You misunderstand. As far as I know, Christie does not have a vetting on the core issues. He took on the unions, and I am all for that.
But what conservative, limited government, individual liberty positions does he hold??
In other words, he ain't vetted. No more of that shit. I don't care how many stupid fucking people from New Jersey want to suck his cock.
Relying on those idiots is like having fruitcakes in Iowa have the first vote on our candidate, when Iowa is A FUCKING BLUE STATE. Oh, wait....
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 01:12 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Sidney Greenstreet at February 20, 2013 05:08 PM (Dll6b)
Yes you did. I really liked it when you sent Wilbur over.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 20, 2013 01:12 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: UncleZeb at February 20, 2013 01:12 PM (Nvirt)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 20, 2013 01:12 PM (Jcd0S)
Posted by: JonathanEllis at February 20, 2013 01:12 PM (BdzEV)
I consider myself a pragmatist when it comes to the conservative/moderate GOP divide. We live in a big country and regional differences exist. For example, a Massachusetts Republican cannot run as a Texas Republican and hope to win in Massachusetts. The same is true for many blue and purple state Republicans. That's why I'm generally leery of the Conservative Purity Brigade, which often fails to recognize political realities and draw such distinctions.
However, Christie crossed the Lugar Line with his 98% Cuomo comparison and is now virtually indistinguishable from a moderate Democrat by his own admission. And I initially had such high hopes for the guy, too.
Posted by: troyriser at February 20, 2013 01:13 PM (vtiE6)
Posted by: pep
The nomenklatura is never under the strictures it places on the masses.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 20, 2013 01:13 PM (Ipj15)
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Posted by: UncleZeb
It's all a conspiracy. A deep, dark conspiracy.
Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 01:13 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2013 01:13 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: JonathanEllis at February 20, 2013 05:12 PM (BdzEV)
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^^ insert "he started out with 180 billion worth of bacon" joke here....
Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2013 01:14 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 20, 2013 01:14 PM (xjpRj)
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Posted by: no name at February 20, 2013 01:14 PM (qKpun)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 20, 2013 01:14 PM (feFL6)
I know you can't process any thoughts more complicated than "TOM COTTON!!!!" but only voters registered as members of the Republican Party are allowed to attend a Republican Caucus. Those people aren't SCOAMFers.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 20, 2013 01:15 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 01:15 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 01:16 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 20, 2013 01:16 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: beach at February 20, 2013 01:17 PM (LpQbZ)
1.) If you think Christie/Hurricane Sandy is the reason Mitt Romney lost OH, NV, WI, CO, FL, etc., you're living in a fantasy-land. Seriously.
2.) What the fuck was he supposed to say? He's the governor of a state that has been hit with the worst natural disaster it's experienced in over 150 years. Obama's there with the aid and the logistics as necessary (because it benefits him, no doubt). What is the guy supposed to do? Say "yeah, thanks but no thanks, you Democrat asshole." Or "no, actually Obama hasn't done shit for us, he's been less than useless."
I just don't get it. Christie's responsibility is and was to serve the people of his state. Had he put national partisan politics above the life-and-death needs of the people who he governs, that would have been far worse. Do I wish the timing had been different? Fuck yes I do. But you're dealing with a truly epic Black Swan disaster.
Moreover: the guy has governed way way more to the right, towards conservatism, than was ever thought possible in a state like New Jersey. And he's POPULAR because of it. You know how people like Limbaugh always keep screaming that "conservatism is actually popular everywhere it's honestly tried?" Well here's a guy who's damn near close to proving it, albeit by guile, craft, and canny political stage-management while working in hostile territory, and I'm being told I need to shut my brain down and ritually scream obscenities and epithets at him because he once said Obama did something good for his state. (Despite the fact that he's also said countless times, before and after, that he's a horribly incompetent chief executive when it comes to the key issues facing America, like the economy, the debt, etc.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 20, 2013 01:17 PM (bcLhD)
* from As Good As It Gets, a Clinton era film which shows how much the culture has changed.**
** you know, Obama's second term is totally going to be like Clinton's third term, except without a balanced budget, an economic boom, Newt!, or any sexual scandals.
Ooh, additive asterisks. I've never seen that before. Well done.
Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 01:17 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: troyriser at February 20, 2013 05:13 PM (vtiE6)
I didn't; he's just another authoritarian asswipe former federal prosecutor used to bringing the financial hammer down on any poor individual that gets caught in his sights. Just like Rudy and Client 9; fucking bullies who are well placed cleaning up mobbed up shitholes which are overdue for a reaming, but no fucking chance as a national candidate.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 20, 2013 01:17 PM (7v3Xc)
HeatherRadish needs a lay:
Please, even you cannot deny the awesomeness of Tom Cotton. But as was discussed elsewhere, you're missing the larger point which is that, yes, I agree that Iowa Rs are the caucus. But Iowa Rs I would state might be different than Indiana Rs or South Carolina Rs. If we are going to pick candidates that represent our core values, might not it be wise to first start with a reliably red state??
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 01:17 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Darth Randall at February 20, 2013 01:18 PM (mV8sg)
This was my plea too all the Rudy haters.
I gave up on that pretty quick.
Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2013 01:18 PM (KXm42)
Posted by: BignJames at February 20, 2013 01:18 PM (j7iSn)
Yep, the two-party system is alive and well.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 01:18 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 01:18 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 20, 2013 01:19 PM (6gk77)
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 20, 2013 01:19 PM (nTgAI)
Noted. *writes name down in big book of don't care*
Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 01:19 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 01:19 PM (QxSug)
JeffB.
I would be more interested in his alleged conservatism. Anyone who says they are with Cuomo 98% of the time is DOA, in my book.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 01:19 PM (tVTLU)
I am with you. I voted for a Yankee the last time and it didn't work out.
No more Yankee candidates.
Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 20, 2013 01:19 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 01:20 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 20, 2013 01:20 PM (GBXon)
This is the early stages of having our candidate pre-selected for us. I will never vote for him.
Posted by: UncleZeb
Oh how unfortunate! Perhaps Monsieur would prefer something else from our Table d'hote d'Rino?
Some Jeb Bush? Un petite Mitch Daniels?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2013 01:20 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 01:21 PM (QxSug)
http://tinyurl.com/christie-vs-booker-2016
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2013 01:22 PM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 20, 2013 01:22 PM (Jcd0S)
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 01:22 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 01:24 PM (zpqa2)
Chris Christie, The man that loves all these new gun grabbing ideas. Chris Christie the man that attacked the GOP Reps in Congress for being leary of passing a porked up "Sandy Relief." Chris Christie, "the man who stands up to unions" but only if its a the teacher's union, never heard shit from him concerning NJ's Sandy policy of only accepting outside the state help from union contractors.
But we'll just let Jeff B. "the smartest dickhead in the room" continue with his strawman so he can keep loving his fat new boyfriend.
Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2013 01:24 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 01:25 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 01:25 PM (r2PLg)
Did you ever once even bother to check the sourcing of that. No you did not. I'm assuming you read it from some site, and never realized that it wasn't Christie speaking at all. It was some Democrat saying "oh yeah, he totally said this to me the other day." A third-hand recollection of a conversation, possible (if not probably) inaccurate, and stripped of any context.
And furthermore, you don't seem to get the fact that it's common practice for people who are trying to reach across the aisle to say shit like "oh yeah, me and [that other guy] agree on so much stuff...see I'm not so bad!" It's fucking politics for chrissakes.
Meanwhile look at his actual record in New Jersey. Does that record look like the record of a guy who's actually just a carbon copy of Andrew Cuomo? Of course not. So we can go on the evidence of the way the guy has actually governed, in a state where Republicans are about as popular as cholera, and has fought tooth and nail for...or we can go by some bullshit garbled third-hand recollection that has been misunderstood and was probably just typical political "oh we're all alike deep down" gladhanding.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 20, 2013 01:27 PM (bcLhD)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 20, 2013 01:29 PM (6zgse)
and I can vote for the real D....
You don't get it RiNOs the free ride is over.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 01:30 PM (LRFds)
Most people are viewing Christie through the prism of a 2016 Presidential run, a possibility he hasn't exactly strained himself to deny.
Is some of the criticism from the Purity Brigade unfair and counterproductive? Yes, yes it is, especially considering the alternatives. We should be welcoming the help where we can find it.
However, there has to be a line somewhere with regards to a Presidential nominee. It's a fair criticism to suggest he's on the wrong side of it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2013 01:31 PM (SY2Kh)
we discussing the gun grabbing or the Taqqiya love?
Yeah those look pretty donk ass to me....we discussing fellating Ogabe and pander bearing for Pork barrel laden Bonus money for Sandy?
Yeah that looks pretty donk ass motherfucker to me too....
you were saying?
Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 01:32 PM (LRFds)
Barry's fat chick took the Luap Nor "fuck you" seat.
I may already be sitting on my wallet, Joisey Buddah gets the nod I'm sitting on my ass.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 01:33 PM (LRFds)
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Chris Christie is our "best chance" to win in 2016. That might even be correct in a truly objective sense. The "powers that be" in the Democrat Party might actually let the Republicans win in 2016 so it looks like we really are a "two party system".
And seriously, just how much different will a President Christie be than say, a President Hillary Clinton? Of course, Christie will have "Republicans" in his cabinet, but again, the permanent bureaucracy in DC is Democrat. How much will he really be able to cut? Will he have some control over the Senate? Will the Republicans still control the House?
So many possibilities. For me, as for others, I feel like we have reached the end of the road in terms of politics in the known sense as they have existed in the US. Perhaps I am just slow (very possible) and this has been going on for a long time (truly possible). But the demographics and political mentality of much of the electorate (you only vote six times) persuades me to think that Christie only gets elected in 2016 if:
1) the country's economy truly tanks and there is so dumb realization that somehow Obama's policies just didn't work, no matter how hard he "tried".
2) The media doesn't turn on Christie like sharks, as they did to Maverick McCain, after he did years of trashing his own party, because they never did like him, they were just teasing him.
3) and somehow, the Republican base actually turns out to vote for another Northeast 'liberal' Republican, which seems kinda unlikely, but you never know.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 20, 2013 01:38 PM (RFeQD)
I'd rather have a new nation than my fingerprints on the police state they're building
Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 01:39 PM (LRFds)
ahem. Jeff B, I'm not saying that quote was accurate. That's just my thought. The fact that he has to dispute it says enough right there.
And you never really answered a simple question, which is even more disturbing.
Sven hammers it home with his last post. Christie for more gun control then fuck him and the horse he rode in on. Or two horses.
But seriously. Fuck him and his approval rating. Gun issues are a no go for me and anyone else with a fucking brain.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 01:39 PM (tVTLU)
So tell us how awesome he was in carrying MA in 2012?
Posted by: kbdabear at February 20, 2013 01:40 PM (mCvL4)
I may already be sitting on my wallet, Joisey Buddah gets the nod I'm sitting on my ass.
I totally get the opposition to Christie as a presidential nominee. I tend to agree, but that's a discussion that doesn't need to take place for another two years.
Point is, he can still play a positive role in winning people over to Republican ideas in the meantime. He's a charismatic, popular guy. It's counterproductive to discard him.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2013 01:42 PM (SY2Kh)
Sven:
Absofuckinglutely. It's time for the other, newer side of individual freedom and Goldwater/Reagan.
NO MORE FUCKING RINOS. How fucking stupid do we have to be. Bush Sr. was simply REAGAN'S THIRD TERM.
Then we got GWB some weird combo of a faux conservative who thank God we stepped in and righted the ship on a Sup. Ct. fucking nomination I mean what the f was that about?????????? I actually like the guy but he screwed up big time, and I mean big time on so many issues.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 01:42 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Let It Burn at February 20, 2013 01:43 PM (ZJW1c)
I'm just saying it's stupid and over-emotional and counterproductive to toss him out like yesterday's bathwater when he's the best thing for the GOP brand in ages.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 20, 2013 01:47 PM (bcLhD)
Whatever dude, Akin, Crowley, and Christie.....three retards who helped kill Romney.
If Chris Christie is the ideal Republican I am no longer one.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 01:48 PM (LRFds)
Bush Sr. raised taxes. Reagan raised taxes three times, and granted a mega-amnesty in 1986. Question: FUCKING RINOs or not?
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 20, 2013 01:49 PM (bcLhD)
It's like Teen Beat, isn't it?
Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 01:51 PM (6TB1Z)
It's like Teen Beat, isn't it?
Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 01:51 PM (6TB1Z)
So Chris Christie is Reagan now?
Reagan had to wheel and deal with genuine cunning Democrats who were still fucking the FDR chicken.
Bush Sr lost my in laws and my dad with his "no no they SWEAR just one more tax raise and we'll balance the budget!'
Reagan considered his mega amnesty a horrible mistake in hindsight while he was still mentally active.
With Joisey Buddah I'm liable to still have shitloads of Somalians line jumped over decent folk who aren't Muslim goatfuckers and have real skills.....
yeah I'm not feeling it.....like I said we need to get the divorce going.
Blue State Republicans are not freedom's ally.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 01:52 PM (LRFds)
So Chris Christie is Reagan now?
Reagan had to wheel and deal with genuine cunning Democrats who were still fucking the FDR chicken.
Bush Sr lost my in laws and my dad with his "no no they SWEAR just one more tax raise and we'll balance the budget!'
Reagan considered his mega amnesty a horrible mistake in hindsight while he was still mentally active.
With Joisey Buddah I'm liable to still have shitloads of Somalians line jumped over decent folk who aren't Muslim goatfuckers and have real skills.....
yeah I'm not feeling it.....like I said we need to get the divorce going.
Blue State Republicans are not freedom's ally.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 01:52 PM (LRFds)
I'd say more like a Jerry Lewis telethon without KISS.....
no amount of hectoring, cajoling, pleading, lying, or haranguing will make the Joisey Buddah sale.
I hate McCain and I backed the fucker, despite his allying with the huckabuck wing to fuck Romney.......
I really would have preferred a Governor with success in the face of Ogabenomics but instead got Thurston Howell IVth
No more media darlings or professional candidates without current work....
I like Palin but she is dead to me politically unless she gets back in the game at some level or becomes a SERIOUS speaker like Reagan was in the early '60s against healthcare.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 01:55 PM (LRFds)
Chris Christie: The Donut's Handmaiden
Hell, he may be dead of a heart attack in two years. Let's not start kicking each other in the nuts just yet, gentlemen.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 20, 2013 01:58 PM (RFeQD)
In defense of Jeff B., I doubt that he has as big of an adams apple (or is that a fucking goiter) as A-Cup.
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Gentlemen, you can't kick each other in the nuts here: This is the HQ's Gay Room!
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