March 06, 2014
— Ace Allah discusses this and provides links to people, like @freddoso, who were there.
Below is linked excerpts from his speech. I cannot judge if the speech is standing-o worthy because the excepts are, of course, the most basic, obvious things. Stuff like "we have to start saying what we're for, and not just what we're against." This is an obvious thought which virtually everyone says, and the only way to judge whether or not this was an effective part of the speech is to hear the details he then turned to, which the excerpts, of course, leave out.
Of course Christie also had to contrast Republican governors, such as himself, who do things, with Republican congressmen who, in his telling, only talk about doing things.
I think in another context this would be a standard piece of puffery that raises no objections, but these words from Christie provoke a certain suspicious response from many. Because many people in the conservative movement think he's throwing the rest of the party under the bus to advance himself.
Which is standard political behavior, to be sure, but I think many people are alarmed by the suggestion that the federal-level GOP ought to just roll over for Obama and Reid.
As Christie, I'm sure, would remind you, when speaking about himself, doing the right thing is not necessarily doing the popular thing, but I don't hear him defending the congressional Republicans for doing the right, if unpopular, thing.
Eh, maybe I'll listen to the whole thing when it gets released.
In the meantime, there are excerpts, and also this report on McConnell's "lukewarm" reception and his own speech.
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Let him go back and kiss Obama's ass some more.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 06, 2014 11:23 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 06, 2014 11:24 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 06, 2014 11:25 AM (/eo9F)
Posted by: Roy at March 06, 2014 11:25 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Year at March 06, 2014 11:25 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 11:26 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 06, 2014 11:26 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: phreshone at March 06, 2014 11:26 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 06, 2014 11:26 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Iblis at March 06, 2014 11:26 AM (9221z)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 06, 2014 11:26 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 06, 2014 11:27 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 06, 2014 11:27 AM (/eo9F)
Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Objectivity at March 06, 2014 11:28 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 11:28 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 06, 2014 11:28 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 06, 2014 11:28 AM (9Bdcz)
Posted by: redenzo at March 06, 2014 03:27 PM (WCnJW)
He has never been in the front except as told in lies by WaPo and the NYT.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 06, 2014 11:28 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: phreshone at March 06, 2014 11:28 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 11:28 AM (olDqf)
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 11:28 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2014 11:29 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2014 11:29 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Warthog at March 06, 2014 11:29 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: eleven at March 06, 2014 11:29 AM (GXZgZ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 06, 2014 11:29 AM (HVff2)
I defend the fat man against all media. National office, no thanks.
Federalist had a great piece which showed that his win in NJ wasn't all that impressive. He won by suppressing the democrat vote, not gaining more votes than he originally won by.
Democrats will not be suppressed when it comes to the WH.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 06, 2014 11:30 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Chuck U Schumer at March 06, 2014 11:30 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 06, 2014 11:30 AM (/eo9F)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 11:30 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Marco Rubio, Ultraconservative MegaPrincipled Rock Star of the Decade at March 06, 2014 11:30 AM (hHFOx)
"Either we have borders or we don't"
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2014 03:29 PM (DmNpO)
Another one you have to ask why he got an invite. Hell, he has never been a Republican, much less a conservative.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 06, 2014 11:30 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 06, 2014 03:30 PM (P1WNR)
Annoying Orange.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 06, 2014 11:30 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 06, 2014 03:30 PM (P1WNR)
Fat Man and Little Boy?
Posted by: EC at March 06, 2014 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: joncelli at March 06, 2014 11:31 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:31 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at March 06, 2014 11:31 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 06, 2014 11:31 AM (XaJ3Z)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 06, 2014 11:32 AM (P1WNR)
Christie can say all the sweet political words he wants. I'd go for Rubio over Christie, and I'm not much feeling the Presidential love for Rubio either. Rubio proved himself a rube with his amnesty shilling, but Christie's an out-and-out RINO, full stop.
I give him props for standing up to the teacher's unions, but that's all I've seen from him that I find praiseworthy.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 11:32 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:33 AM (IXrOn)
No mention of his brother The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 06, 2014 11:33 AM (wrS2o)
Posted by: anthony weiner at March 06, 2014 11:33 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2014 11:33 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 06, 2014 11:33 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: dirks strewn at March 06, 2014 11:33 AM (kfcYC)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2014 11:33 AM (TOk1P)
Let's push a governor from one of the most gun controlling, high taxing, business unfriendly, screwed up states in the country.
That way all the folks in the red states who don't have that will rush to the polls the way the base did for McCain and Romney. And because America in general needs more of what NJ's got.
Oh, and bonus points for making sure he's a smartass who thinks he's the only guy in the room with a brain. Because that's new and improved.
Posted by: B at March 06, 2014 11:34 AM (5OEha)
Posted by: Chrissy Mathews at March 06, 2014 11:34 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:34 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Beagle at March 06, 2014 11:34 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:35 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: DrewM. at March 06, 2014 11:35 AM (8dNrT)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 06, 2014 11:35 AM (84gbM)
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For example, has one Republican congressman given the president a hug? No. They really are a do nothing group aren't they?
Posted by: Chris Christie at March 06, 2014 11:36 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: anthony weiner at March 06, 2014 03:33 PM (zOTsN)
Close down a bridge lane.
Posted by: EC at March 06, 2014 11:36 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 06, 2014 11:36 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: Rachael Maddow at March 06, 2014 11:36 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: anthony weiner at March 06, 2014 11:36 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2014 11:37 AM (TOk1P)
He had gravitas. Or gravity. Or gravy.
He's 23% gravy.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 06, 2014 03:35 PM (P7Wsr)
The remaining 77% is pork drippings and cornbread.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 11:37 AM (4df7R)
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We must nominate an electable moderate like McCain or Romney. These rightwingers like Bush 43and Reagan will only lose...
Posted by: The Republican Establishment at March 06, 2014 11:37 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Warthog at March 06, 2014 11:37 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:38 AM (IXrOn)
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Many, many horrible things.
Posted by: Buffet owners of NJ at March 06, 2014 11:38 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 03:34 PM (IXrOn)
Sure he wasn't just clumsily trying to get his arms around him for another tender moment?
Posted by: Heralder at March 06, 2014 11:38 AM (/Mxso)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 11:38 AM (olDqf)
He's 23% gravy.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 06, 2014 03:35 PM (P7Wsr)
The remaining 77% is pork drippings and cornbread.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 06, 2014 03:37 PM (4df7R)
And me nowhere close to a Waffle House, dammit.
Posted by: joncelli at March 06, 2014 11:38 AM (RD7QR)
I object to placing GWB and Reagan in the same sentence.
I like GWB as a guy, but it's not even the same planet.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 06, 2014 11:38 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2014 03:37 PM (TOk1P)
I resemble that remark
Posted by: Carly Fiorina, Chairman ACU Foundation at March 06, 2014 11:38 AM (Q6pxP)
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Ah hem...two elections prove you wrong bitter clinger
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 06, 2014 11:38 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 06, 2014 11:39 AM (/eo9F)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:39 AM (IXrOn)
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Great, now I'm stuck with a mental picture of Christie carrying JugEars around like that movie poster for The Bodyguard.
Posted by: B at March 06, 2014 11:39 AM (5OEha)
Posted by: Decaf at March 06, 2014 11:39 AM (Bwva0)
Posted by: Beef at March 06, 2014 11:39 AM (XERws)
Gaze upon your candidate, o' faithful Republicans, for He has been chosen to lead you.
Just like that there knee slappin good ole boy down home middle class flyover state guns n Bibles family values "Mitt" Romney was fairly selected to lead you.
Piss on this game. It's rigged, and unlike the methOnWheels county carnival, you won't be taking any cheap shit Honduran made stuffed animals home with you. Closing, and curious, did the fat fuck have a huge, dripping sammich jammed gill-deep in his maw as he annoited thy collective heads with the sacred Oils of Big Tent?
Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at March 06, 2014 11:39 AM (x60m8)
Posted by: AMDG at March 06, 2014 11:39 AM (t7OO0)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 06, 2014 11:39 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2014 11:40 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: eleven at March 06, 2014 03:37 PM (GXZgZ)
even I don't think Neidermeyer plays yucky cookie
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 11:40 AM (bStrg)
Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Year at March 06, 2014 11:40 AM (hHFOx)
As the old joke goes, when you and your friend are being chased by a bear, you don't have to outrun the bear, you just need to outrun your friend.
Posted by: pep at March 06, 2014 11:40 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 11:40 AM (olDqf)
Posted by: B at March 06, 2014 03:39 PM (5OEha)
Oh Lord... And Obammy's wearing that weird as fuck metallic outfit with the weird helmet-hat...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 11:40 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 06, 2014 11:40 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Preznit Taft, Destroyer of Old Country Buffet at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (x60m8)
Posted by: eleven at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (GXZgZ)
If Christie can cut through the iron curtain of the media to express at least some conservative ideas, then I'm all for it. As president? No, but hell no.
He's just another northeastern moderate who'd eventually try to kill any real conservative thought in the repub party. He's a Rove guy.
Posted by: Soona at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (rOX4+)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: IrishEd at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (D0NZx)
If only Christie would have stumbled and fell on Choom Boy.
The Crazy Uncle Joe Administration would have to be an improvement.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (XaJ3Z)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (QupBk)
>>>How can you rethuglikkkans cheer that lane-closing monster?
That's the hilarious thing about "Bridgegate". Everywhere in this thread you can find primary-killing dirt on Christie: Anti-2ndA, hasn't had results that count, NJ in tatters, taxes up, etc. No GOP guy would vote for him were this widely known. And the LEFT natters on about nothingburgers becoz they can't relate.
Posted by: Bigby's Frozen Fingers at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: JEM at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Decaf at March 06, 2014 11:41 AM (Bwva0)
One thing I did notice, he was very soft at taking any swings at the SCOAMF.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 03:34 PM (IXrOn)
That's the cornbread.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 11:42 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 06, 2014 11:42 AM (P1WNR)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 03:40 PM (olDqf)
CPAC has been lost to the GOPe.... Just walk away.
Posted by: The Humungus at March 06, 2014 11:42 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: B at March 06, 2014 03:39 PM (5OEha)
Oh Lord... And Obammy's wearing that weird as fuck metallic outfit with the weird helmet-hat...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 06, 2014 03:40 PM (4df7R)
Does that mean that SCOAMF is going to belt out that song? While making eyes at Christie?
Posted by: joncelli at March 06, 2014 11:42 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 03:43 PM (zOTsN)
I wouldn't say dismantle, consume sure but not dismantle
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 11:43 AM (bStrg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 06, 2014 11:43 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:43 AM (IXrOn)
To which I respond: Christie is the new Ron Paul.
I piss on his supporters and their applauding hands.
Posted by: soothsayer
I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire, and they should be for the epic stupidity exhibited by Chrisie for thinking any conservatives would vote for him.
Posted by: Gmac at March 06, 2014 11:44 AM (4pjhs)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2014 11:44 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Beagle at March 06, 2014 11:44 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 06, 2014 11:44 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 11:44 AM (olDqf)
1) What have you done to advance Conservatism locally?
2) What have you done to advance Conservatism nationally?
==
Define 'conservative'. Compare/contrast limited government to small govt for extra credit.
Posted by: Bigby's Frozen Fingers at March 06, 2014 11:44 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 11:44 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 06, 2014 11:45 AM (IXrOn)
"What we're for," or should be, is in most cases a government that wouldn't do this. Now your Republican Party can't get out of a lot of things -- Internal Improvements and The Transcontinental Railroad were in the original platform, and even though TFG can't pronounce his name, Rooooootherford Hayes began the federal involvement with school curriculum -- and that's always going to drag on them. "We're for" less waste, fraud and abuse. Meh.
But how do you positively present "what we're for" when it comes to taking money from taxpayers to pay for the inability of solar energy to support itself, for example? Once you even mention it, you're bound to spending federal money, even if you cut it back to basic research grants -- and then you're talking "cuts." So you face a future of endless expanding compromises, just what the GOP has been. If you boldly torture syntax and announce "We're for an open market in energy, where all players are free to compete," it's going to take a greenie newsanal yst five minutes to unpack that for the LIV's. It's...a cut!
So I think this approach is and always has been goofy. You have to show people why fed good-goods that they're used to are hurting them. That has never yet been a project for the GOP. And even most of us here think the only way they'll get that message is to let the good-good warehouse catch fire. "Like Rome."
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 06, 2014 11:45 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2014 11:45 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: JEM at March 06, 2014 11:45 AM (o+SC1)
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And that is why today I will officially seek a declaration of war on Mars - we have all seen the news stories, the people killed by their war machines. I saw with my own eyes on TV as their horrible tripods laid waste to whole cities...almost killing Tom Cruise for God's sake.
Well my friends, as President Franklin once said, "A million for defense, not a penny for aliens." And I mean to make that America's rallying cry over the course of this war.
Posted by: President Joe Biden after confusing netflix and CNN at March 06, 2014 11:45 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 11:46 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 06, 2014 11:46 AM (fMK2m)
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He'll have to. It's for gdm sure Zero won't be toting Christie.
Posted by: B at March 06, 2014 11:46 AM (5OEha)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 11:46 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 06, 2014 11:46 AM (XaJ3Z)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 11:46 AM (olDqf)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 03:44 PM (olDqf)
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You kidding me? As soon as he's Hillary's veep, MSNBC will pronounce Christe the greatest man to ever live. And Hillary's entire campaign will be, the GOP is so extreme, even one of its greatest leaders decided to join the Democrats.
Hillary will win 55% of the vote easy...without even having to cheat.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 06, 2014 11:46 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at March 06, 2014 11:47 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 03:46 PM (ZPrif)
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Trick question. There is no difference between the GOP and DNC on 99% of issues. There is difference between liberals and conservatives. But the modern day GOP is liberal as is the modern day DNC.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 06, 2014 11:48 AM (0LHZx)
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Announce special sales for EBT card holders at the local stores?
Posted by: Obligatory at March 06, 2014 11:48 AM (P3U0f)
Citizen X:
I do not know. Dems ran a shitty candidate I guess. If you look at the raw vote total - the NUMBER of votes the dem candidate got was way way below Christie's opponent last time.
Federalist piece said two reasons for it: 1) air of inevitability. the question was always not am i going to win, but by how much. So effective it kept dems at home.; and 2) dems had a shitty candidate and gave her no support.
A real inspiring politician gets MORE PEOPLE to vote for him for reelection. Chrisite barely and I mean barely moved the needle. Only reason why his margin was so large is that a shit ton of dems stayed home.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 06, 2014 11:48 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 06, 2014 11:48 AM (bgUUt)
Posted by: Bigby's Frozen Fingers at March 06, 2014 03:41 PM (3ZtZW)
Honestly, I don't think Bridgegate is a nothingburger. Yeah, the way the MFM was COVERING it was nothingburger: they focused on how it was oh, so mean, and oh, so nasty! Look at all the pain it caused all these people who got stuck on the bridge!
My problem stems not from the fact that it was just plain mean -- which it was -- but from the fact that Bridgegate was more evidence of a disturbing tred among politicians to use the powers of their office for vindictive attacks. Whether or not Christie knew what was happening (and I'm pretty damn sure he DID know, or at least had an inkling) it speaks to the character of the people he has in place around him that they would feel this was an acceptable use of the power of the governor's office.
Sorry, but that's the final straw. Christie's dead to me.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 11:48 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 11:48 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: General Zod at March 06, 2014 11:49 AM (2+bRt)
Posted by: Decaf at March 06, 2014 11:49 AM (Bwva0)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 11:49 AM (zOTsN)
John "Maverick" McCain.
Posted by: B at March 06, 2014 11:49 AM (5OEha)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 06, 2014 11:50 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 11:50 AM (bStrg)
Posted by: Kreplach at March 06, 2014 11:50 AM (IyKYr)
Posted by: L, elle at March 06, 2014 11:50 AM (0xqKe)
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That is NOT true.
You see, Obama wants to run Obamacare, and I want to run a fixed Obamacare.
Totally different. He doesn't even pay off *my* friends for God's sake!
Posted by: John Boehner at March 06, 2014 11:50 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Beagle at March 06, 2014 11:50 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Meghan McCain, Titular Republican of Tomorrow at March 06, 2014 11:51 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 11:52 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 06, 2014 11:52 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: ryukyu at March 06, 2014 11:52 AM (C6XFd)
Posted by: Meghan McCain, Titular Republican of Tomorrow at March 06, 2014 03:51 PM (8ZskC)
yes, the hershey fountain pours right into republican votes mouths
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 11:52 AM (bStrg)
Posted by: General Zod at March 06, 2014 11:52 AM (2+bRt)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 11:52 AM (zOTsN)
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As long as the Republican party will re-elect people who talk conservative for a few weeks every election and govern left for the rest of the time we will continue to get more of them.
Christie sees that the Republicans have nominated John McAmnesty and Mitt Romneycare in the last two elections and believes that being a liberal, even on the biggest issues of the day, is NOT a problem in getting the Republican nomination.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 06, 2014 11:53 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 06, 2014 11:53 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 06, 2014 11:54 AM (fXpC7)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 11:54 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2014 11:54 AM (1Y+hH)
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We did. We also used to have napkins and paper towels.
Posted by: CPAP Caterer giving Christie the evil eye at March 06, 2014 11:54 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 06, 2014 11:55 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: The Humungus at March 06, 2014 03:42 PM (Q6pxP)
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I agree. That's been evident since right after 2010. Way too much Tea Party celebration to suit the northeast/Rove mentality. This next election won't be won by appearances on media-approved events like CPAC, but in the trenches with the grassroots organizations. CPAC is only there to try to get people to donate to the RNC.
The RNC is dead to me. I'll be donating to only the individuals I support.
Posted by: Soona at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (rOX4+)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (fMK2m)
Because it would be genius politics for a conservative political conference to NOT invite the only nationally-viable conservative political party's leader in the US Senate, leader of that party's governors, and that party's last VP nominee to speak to them for 15 minutes each.
Genius politics, I tell you. And you wonder why some people, maybe most people, in the national Republican party generally ignore the far right wing.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (YhH+L)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: phreshone at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 11:56 AM (ZPrif)
CitizenX: I'm not talking about suppression per se, let's call it disheartening dems.
He basically made them give up and not even show up to the polls. Did anyone here even question whether he'd win reelection??? The raw numbers tell the tale.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 06, 2014 11:57 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: awkward davies at March 06, 2014 11:57 AM (whqez)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 06, 2014 11:57 AM (32Ze2)
OT, but what's the deal with all the severed animal heads showing up in NYC parks? First a goat's head in Prospect Park, now severed rooster heads in Dr. Ronald McNair Park... Are we thinking santeria, voodoo, or just straight up necromancy?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 11:58 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: General Zod at March 06, 2014 11:58 AM (2+bRt)
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 11:58 AM (QupBk)
There is already a party dedicated to talking trash about elected Republicans, demonizing our leadership, and defeating our candidates. It's called the "Democratic Party."
If you agree with their goals, why not just go join them, and leave us the Fluke alone?
Posted by: Adjoran at March 06, 2014 11:58 AM (QIQ6j)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 06, 2014 11:58 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: L, elle at March 06, 2014 11:59 AM (0xqKe)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2014 11:59 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 06, 2014 12:00 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 06, 2014 12:00 PM (32Ze2)
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 12:00 PM (QupBk)
I'm sorry. I'm sick of the fat guy jokes too. But that was a low, hanging fat guy.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 06, 2014 12:00 PM (xq1UY)
Way ahead of ya, brah.
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 04:00 PM (QupBk)
that should be breh to be up to date on lingo
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 12:00 PM (bStrg)
I heard a blurb on one of the news shows earlier today, and I wasn't much listening until I heard Miss Lindsey talk about something the liberals were supposedly doing (and he was against it).
I don't know if he was at CPAP or somewhere else, but I almost drove off the road when I heard it. And I wasn't even in a car!
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2014 12:01 PM (TOk1P)
Bill Clinton took credit for all the good things that the Republicans did in the 90's, when they controlled both houses of Congress.
Barky is the same sort of shameless liar.
Any 'good ideas' that might get passed in the House, and then by some miracle get passed in today's Senate...would be coopted by the Dems and claimed as 'theirs'.
So until we have the Senate...it would be politically foolish, unfortunately, to pass bills that would save Barky and the Dems from themselves.
Posted by: wheatie at March 06, 2014 12:01 PM (W4wxS)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 06, 2014 12:01 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 12:01 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: RNC at March 06, 2014 12:02 PM (M2qTM)
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at March 06, 2014 12:02 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: tubal at March 06, 2014 12:02 PM (YEQ2h)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 12:02 PM (olDqf)
>>>I'm not talking about suppression per se, let's call it disheartening dems.
Well, there's also making pot legal. Call it disincentiving Dems for just about everything including the vote.
Posted by: Bigby's Frozen Fingers at March 06, 2014 12:02 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 06, 2014 12:03 PM (TWUqg)
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 04:01 PM (QupBk)
not since the mid 90's
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 12:03 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2014 12:03 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 06, 2014 12:03 PM (naUcP)
Posted by: Fritz at March 06, 2014 12:03 PM (PnMCP)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 06, 2014 12:03 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Candy Crowley at March 06, 2014 12:04 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2014 12:04 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 12:04 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lynn Meeurers at March 06, 2014 12:04 PM (Kz9dH)
Still have to see some red meat on guns, low taxes, immigration freeze, Obamacare repeal, the stuff that matters.
Looks to me like XXL is holding low cards.
Posted by: General Zod at March 06, 2014 03:58 PM (2+bRt)
"IÂ’m not much different from Andrew Cuomo. I probably agree with him on 98% of the issues."
- Chris Christie
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/19/Christie-Cuomo
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 12:04 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: The Stoner Vote at March 06, 2014 12:04 PM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 06, 2014 12:05 PM (NI2j4)
Posted by: toby928© at March 06, 2014 12:05 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 12:05 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 06, 2014 12:05 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 06, 2014 12:05 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 06, 2014 12:06 PM (rXcBX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 04:04 PM (ZPrif)
GOP establishment
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 06, 2014 12:06 PM (NI2j4)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 06, 2014 12:06 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 12:06 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: DangerGirl at March 06, 2014 12:06 PM (GrtrJ)
>>>Genius politics, I tell you. And you wonder why some people, maybe most people, in the national Republican party generally ignore the far right wing."
One side or the other has to give. I vote you, you vote me. So I'm voting somewhere else. Works for you? Good, glad to help.
O and hey, I'm not "far" anything but you still lost me. Keep on keepin' on, milquetoast.
Posted by: Bigby's Frozen Fingers at March 06, 2014 12:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 06, 2014 12:06 PM (XaJ3Z)
Posted by: MrScribbler at March 06, 2014 12:07 PM (jiM5S)
Posted by: Roy at March 06, 2014 12:07 PM (VndSC)
Is CPAC regressing? Do they actually get suckered into red-meat rhetoric when the speaker's performance doesn't actually match it? Sounds like the attendees need more seasoning.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 06, 2014 12:07 PM (1CroS)
240...Can somebody explain the "GOPe" thing? Is it a reference to something?
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GOP establishment.
Posted by: wheatie at March 06, 2014 12:07 PM (W4wxS)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 12:09 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Chris Crispy at March 06, 2014 12:09 PM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2014 12:10 PM (SY2Kh)
I prefer brosef like my father before me and his father before him.
These kids with their brehs.......
Posted by: eleven at March 06, 2014 12:10 PM (VhqUZ)
Because there is nothing in the Constitution that makes this a Two Party ONLY system?
No, but two parties is almost guaranteed by the Single Member District Plurality system of voting. In parliaments with proportional representation you can get strong third parties. Here, if you have a strong third party it knocks off the weaker of the predominant two in a couple of cycles.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 06, 2014 12:11 PM (A0sHn)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 12:11 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 06, 2014 12:11 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: Lynn Meeurers at March 06, 2014 12:11 PM (Kz9dH)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 06, 2014 12:11 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 12:12 PM (olDqf)
Here's what's happened to CPAC: it's turned into the Republican/GOP version of Comic-Con. Everyone goes to it because they all want to be seen by the "base."
The problem is, the people who attend CPAC don't want to see these old fossils of the GOPe. They want new blood, fresh voices: Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy, Mia Love, Benjamin Carson, etc. No one goes to CPAC to listen to Bitch McConnell. Why not drag Bob Dole out of retirement and put his senile ass up onstage while you're at it. It'd be about as effective.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 12:12 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 06, 2014 12:12 PM (DYtoS)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 06, 2014 04:11 PM (vg8iE)
lap band doesn't fix jowls
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 12:12 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 06, 2014 12:12 PM (32Ze2)
Making the speech is easy
actually getting some movement in the right direction is another mixed metaphor entirely.
Posted by: Colon Bowel at March 06, 2014 12:12 PM (NYgyW)
You got that right, mang.
Posted by: MrScribbler at March 06, 2014 12:13 PM (jiM5S)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 06, 2014 12:14 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 06, 2014 12:15 PM (XyM/Y)
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 06, 2014 12:15 PM (XaJ3Z)
The bottom line point is -- why are we looking at Christie.
A blue state is fucked up and he won there. Yay!!!
But he barely won the first time, and didn't increase his vote total on reelection. So his one supposed strength is not that strong.
Not that compelling of a case. I kind of like him, but just in general, b/c he's fat and kind of funny. He is not the leader of the GOP nor very conservative.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 06, 2014 12:15 PM (tVTLU)
So in other words, he holds a consistent level of appeal that crosses the aisle?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 06, 2014 12:15 PM (wMsMv)
Posted by: phreshone at March 06, 2014 12:15 PM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 06, 2014 12:15 PM (CnA98)
They being RINOs renders it impossible that they might have something worthwhile to say in a speech?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2014 04:10 PM (SY2Kh)
They being WHO THEY ARE renders it impossible that they have something worthwhile to say, because their past statements have all proven that they only say things they think will play well politically, not things they actually believe and certainly nothing they intend to follow through on.
There might be some RINOs who have earned the benefit of the doubt and get at least a cursory listen, but McCain, Graham and Christie? No.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 12:16 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 06, 2014 12:17 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: phreshone at March 06, 2014 04:15 PM
Only at Hot Air.
Posted by: MrScribbler at March 06, 2014 12:17 PM (jiM5S)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 12:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2014 12:17 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2014 12:18 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 06, 2014 12:18 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 04:16 PM (bStrg)
Second look at the Republican Party???
Posted by: Martin Bashir at March 06, 2014 12:18 PM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 06, 2014 12:18 PM (nj9sX)
Posted by: DangerGirl at March 06, 2014 12:18 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 06, 2014 12:19 PM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 06, 2014 12:19 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2014 04:18 PM (SY2Kh)
to be fair, people at something like CPAC are always the heaviest kool-aid drinkers
Posted by: The Dude at March 06, 2014 12:19 PM (bStrg)
275...Reagan got blamed for everything the democratic House proposed that involved funding as I recall when they had the Senate as well. Having said that, the president always gets blamed. My concern is that Boner said he wants to 'fix' the ACA after elections.
Posted by: Daybrother at March 06, 2014 04:12 PM (DYtoS)
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Yep.
And GHWBush got blamed for a tax increase that the Dem-controlled Congress added to a military funding bill.
Boner has to go.
He now looks to the Dems in the House as his voting base.
Posted by: wheatie at March 06, 2014 12:19 PM (W4wxS)
Posted by: iNC Ref at March 06, 2014 12:19 PM (yf/IC)
what's happened to CPAC
Posted by: MWR
From CPAC's own demograpic info on their site:
CPAC participants are 48% female
65% of National CPAC registrants purchase Student Tickets placing them between the ages of 18-25
CPAC conferences principally attract registrants from within five hour drive of the host city. 71% of Washington, D.C. conference registrants are from the Northeastern U.S.
So the audience is young. female and from deep Blue Mordor.
Doesn't really reflect the Republican, let alone conservative base.
http://tinyurl.com/lk9rs4v
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 06, 2014 12:19 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 12:20 PM (zOTsN)
That's gotta be teh threadwinner, damn you.
Posted by: MrScribbler at March 06, 2014 12:20 PM (jiM5S)
Posted by: Lynn Meeurers at March 06, 2014 12:21 PM (Kz9dH)
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No, no, no. He once damaged a brand.
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No, no, no. He once damaged a brand new Ford F-350 by sitting in it.
Posted by: irright at March 06, 2014 12:21 PM (8GKDa)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 06, 2014 12:21 PM (32Ze2)
If you heard this during the speech, it is probably an indication of severe brain damage or possibly a tumor. Seek medical attention right away.
You could die, or become one of the raving idiots to whom everyone is a RINO traitor.
Posted by: Adjoran at March 06, 2014 12:22 PM (QIQ6j)
>>And yet- standing ovation for Christie.
What kinda people attend CPAC anyhow? I imagine people with a career interest, mostly.
Posted by: Bigby's Frozen Fingers at March 06, 2014 12:22 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 06, 2014 12:22 PM (4df7R)
In a word, yes.
In more than a word, when statements don't match record, then why listen to them? Or if declarations of conservatism are betrayed by policy. They are pulling my chain; or trying to. Sorry. I'm tired of keeping candidates propped up by cherry-picking the worthwhile bits.
Let's call it the Gell-Mann of politics. A politician makes many "conservative" statements. Time passes. He then does nothing or less than nothing to advance them even to the point of damaging conservative movement. He then makes another statement perhaps of even a red meat sort. Am I supposed to feed the Amnesia and cheer for the guy?
Nope. Worthwhile speech not matched by action is useless. Worse, the speech is used as a rhetorical tool to manipulate. At the point where I feel the manipulation to be offensive (and there are certainly degrees to be considered here), I'm not bothering to pick out the wheat from the chaff. It's all chaff.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 06, 2014 12:23 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: thunderb at March 06, 2014 12:24 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2014 12:25 PM (SY2Kh)
* yawns *
Guess I'd better go water the begonias....
Posted by: MrScribbler at March 06, 2014 12:26 PM (jiM5S)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 06, 2014 12:26 PM (eZHcZ)
He also said that Cruz being the opening speaker had a line of people waiting to get in, versus the usually late arriving CPAC crowd.
Posted by: phreshone at March 06, 2014 12:27 PM (Q6pxP)
So the audience is young. female and from deep Blue Mordor.
Doesn't really reflect the Republican, let alone conservative base.
http://tinyurl.com/lk9rs4v
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 06, 2014 04:19 PM (kdS6q)
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Thank you. I've been wondering about that. I've always thought that this event had a very narrow scope of political opinion. Now I know why. It's mostly people who are defending their government or government related jobs.
Posted by: Soona at March 06, 2014 12:27 PM (rOX4+)
Well, half female anyway.
Posted by: elevenwing plover
After decades of liberal indoctrination, the purported masculinity of any male under 25 is both fragile and questionable.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 06, 2014 12:28 PM (kdS6q)
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Posted by: phreshone at March 06, 2014 04:15 PM (Q6pxP)
That would be physically unpossible.
Posted by: Say What? at March 06, 2014 01:28 PM (Q9qpj)
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Posted by: Borders Language Culture at March 06, 2014 01:36 PM (Cs2tJ)
THIS is why we can't have nice things!!!
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