August 21, 2013
— DrewM Terrible if true.
Rockets with toxic agents were launched at the suburbs of the Ghouta region early on Wednesday as part of a major bombardment on rebel forces, they say.The Syrian army says the accusations have been fabricated to cover up rebel losses.
The main opposition alliance said that more than 1,000 people were killed by the attacks.
Activist networks also reported death tolls in the hundreds, but these could not be independently confirmed.
It is also not clear how many died in the bombardment of the sites and how many deaths were due to any exposure to toxic substances.
The UK and France have called for international inspectors to be allowed into the region to investigate the claim. The Obama administration has responded by asking, "Have you seen our new puppy?"
Obviously this would be a horrible thing if it turns out it's true but before getting swept up in the emotion of the moment people need to consider the implications of actually doing anything about it.
We could bomb Syrian military units. And then? The government has been regaining lost territory over the last month or two. Would airstrikes make sense now? Would they actually help the rebels that much?
Should we give the rebels more weapons? Just because people may have been killed in a chemical attack doesn't change the fact that we don't want the jihadi connected fighters to win.
Surely no one with half a brain would advocate US troops on the ground in Syria.
In short, even if this terrible massacre did take place (and there's a reasonable case to be made for questioning the timing of the story) it doesn't change the basic calculus for the US...do whatever it takes to keep the fighting going for as long as possible.
More dead Assad loyalists + more dead jihadis = US Win.
It's cold, it's uncaring and it's the reality of our interest in the fight.
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Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 07:26 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 07:28 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 07:28 AM (3ZtZW)
Challenge accepted.
Posted by: John McCain at August 21, 2013 07:28 AM (SY2Kh)
It's cold, it's uncaring and it's the reality of our interest in the fight.
Thank you. If it makes me a bad person to not give a shit about dead Syrians... Oh well.
Posted by: real joe at August 21, 2013 07:29 AM (fqNGQ)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 21, 2013 07:29 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at August 21, 2013 07:29 AM (9Bdcz)
Furthermore, why does the US need to be involved in every conflict in the world?
We're constantly told by the left that we're not exception, that we're no longer a super power, that we're aggressive, we invade too many countries, and that our military involvement inevitably leads to blowback.
Well fine. Let's stay the fuck out. Let them kill each other. This isn't like Egypt where it is in our political interest to pick a side. Syria doesn't really have oil, they don't have the Suez canal, they are unimportant. We don't really gain anything if Assad wins or if the Jihadi's win, so let this civil war take a long as it needs to.
I miss our Cold War foreign policy. If two enemies are killing each other, then let them.
Posted by: Ben at August 21, 2013 07:30 AM (L/QR0)
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 07:31 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:31 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 07:31 AM (xorT2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:32 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 07:32 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 07:32 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Lucky Pierre at August 21, 2013 07:32 AM (5fSr7)
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Yeah, when they got a little uppity Papa Assad unleashed the artillery on them. I don't know how much was left but that was some thirty years ago.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 07:32 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 21, 2013 07:32 AM (VZSHr)
2 years ago it would have been terrible, and it still is for the innocents who were killed.
All we can do as individuals is give money to any charity who is helping those innocents get out of harms way.
As a gov? Drew nailed it. We donÂ’t help the Jihadists gain control. It's better for us Assad wins than the Jihadists. Granted, its still lose-lose, but its a small loss compared to another Afghanistan....filled with chemical weapons the terrorists can use against us.
Posted by: Stone at August 21, 2013 07:33 AM (4sMhD)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 21, 2013 07:33 AM (bn3hB)
The one picture I've seen that claims to show the victims was actually taken in Egypt a week ago.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 21, 2013 07:34 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:34 AM (9Xc5j)
You ever had the experience of helping a little kid bathe and the kid craps in the tub, with all the little dark bits of poo swirling around under the bubbles until you go "oh no" and hafta take the kid out and redo everything?
Thats kinda where we are right now in our foreign policy.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 07:34 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Lucky Pierre at August 21, 2013 07:34 AM (5fSr7)
Posted by: Ken Royall at August 21, 2013 07:35 AM (h+2SD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:35 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Your Ad Here! at August 21, 2013 07:36 AM (zUi7I)
You ever had the experience of helping a little kid bathe and the kid craps in the tub, with all the little dark bits of poo swirling around under the bubbles until you go "oh no" and hafta take the kid out and redo everything?
No.
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 07:36 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:36 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 21, 2013 07:36 AM (LR9M7)
Like lilies in the Nile.
'Cause I've it on the most impeccable authority (the American Leftists) that there has never been any state in the region--certainly not next door [koff-Iraq-koff]--that has ever developed chemical weapons.
Bush lied! People died!
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 21, 2013 07:37 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Your Ad Here! at August 21, 2013 07:37 AM (zUi7I)
Posted by: Lauren at August 21, 2013 07:37 AM (ELdpj)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 07:37 AM (9XBK2)
No, but I am willing to learn.
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at August 21, 2013 07:37 AM (5fSr7)
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 07:38 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 07:38 AM (xorT2)
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I would hardly refer to money stolen and women raped as stasis.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 07:38 AM (XUKZU)
Commercial insecticides are nerve agents in high concentration. Pool supply chemicals can liberate copious Chlorine gas if used "incorrectly", etc.
The average US house probably enough ingredients on hand to kill a few hundred people under favorable conditions
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 21, 2013 07:39 AM (VZSHr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:39 AM (9Xc5j)
Nerve agents can persist under the right circumstances for far longer than what experts say is their lifespan. And unlike say an unexploded mortar round which you can see and avoid if you have sense, usually where a nerve agent lurks can be that doorknob you just touched.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:40 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:40 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 07:40 AM (xorT2)
Yet, that fuckstick McCain don't give a damn about our actual, real-life ally in the region.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 21, 2013 07:41 AM (VjL9S)
Also, Chemical weapons don't worry me very much. Anyone with a Chemical Engineering degree could easily whip up some chemical weapons. Heck, you've probably got enough chemical ingredients in your house to make something deadly. They're not as complex as people make them out to be, nor are they all that effective. Most governments realized that back in 1916.
It is the proliferation of biological and nuclear weapons that people should fear.
Posted by: Ben at August 21, 2013 07:41 AM (L/QR0)
Posted by: buzz at August 21, 2013 07:41 AM (i27M5)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 07:41 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (VndSC)
If Assad loses, the rebels might repudiate that debt
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (VZSHr)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (9Xc5j)
We all have a friend that the safe bet is to bet the opposite of what ever bet he makes. He bets red on the roulette wheel, you bet black and take home the money.
The safe bet is always to bet against the Left. 90% of the time you will be on the correct side in the long run.
If the Left wants Assad to be overthrown the most likely correct course of action over the long run would to keep Assad in power. They were wrong with Ghaddafi, they were wrong with the Shah, they were wrong with multiple South American countries and they will continue to be wrong in the future.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (m2CN7)
What about toilet seats?
Posted by: Lucky Pierre at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (5fSr7)
We don't and never really have been.
Throw a dart at a world map and chances are that I'll land near a spot with some sort of conflict going on.
Syria under Assad has provided the main pipeline of weapons to Hezbollah in Lebanon and supported attacks on American troops in Iraq (and elsewhere).
As much as the US has an interest in not seeing the jihadis take power, there are very good reasons to want him gone. That said, I'm perfectly content to let them duke it out themselves.
Posted by: John McCain at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: LaQuisha Largess' at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (R8X+X)
I'm OK with not always being the world's dad.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2013 07:42 AM (QMWjL)
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 07:43 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: ejo at August 21, 2013 07:43 AM (GXvSO)
The safe bet is always to bet against the Left. 90% of the time you will be on the correct side in the long run.
Word!
Posted by: Opposite George at August 21, 2013 07:43 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 07:43 AM (9XBK2)
The EU considers GMO products to be chemical weapons, so it's best to define things a little better here.
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 07:43 AM (VndSC)
Maybe these people Assad gassed were in the country illegally.
We're going to need to look at alternatives if we can't put Rubio up in 2016.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 07:44 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Bufalobob at August 21, 2013 07:44 AM (5JL0Z)
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 07:44 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: senator johnny mccain at August 21, 2013 07:44 AM (joFbZ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:46 AM (5VGZi)
2. remember demonstrations in the end of morsi reign. Moris had complete control up until that time and all things military at His disposal.weapons etc.
3. we also saw accusation re syria same thing. who has control of these types of weapons?
4. if this allegation is true. well ... The military would lose esteem and support to help the people take back the country from people around the world rooting for them..
which is why i don't think it Is true.
Posted by: willow at August 21, 2013 07:46 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 07:46 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 21, 2013 07:46 AM (QMWjL)
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 07:47 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: willow at August 21, 2013 07:48 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 07:48 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 07:48 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: mare at August 21, 2013 07:48 AM (A98Xu)
We are not too far away from a virus/bacteria that can be engineered to attack only a certain gene.
Think about that as we rush headlong toward all these conflicts abroad and at home.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 21, 2013 07:48 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:48 AM (5VGZi)
I'm not so sure.
Remember what happened when the Pali terrorist types got uppity and started causing trouble in Jordan. Jordan responded by killing them till they got the message to get the fuck out.
Unfortunately they went to Lebanon and promptly started a civil war.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 07:49 AM (SY2Kh)
It's cold, it's uncaring and it's the reality of our interest in the fight.
Damned right.
Posted by: Null at August 21, 2013 07:49 AM (DuH+r)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 21, 2013 07:49 AM (32Ze2)
>>>We are not too far away from a virus/bacteria that can be engineered to attack only a certain gene.
And of course, in Christian Nation, that would be the "gay gene".
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 07:49 AM (VndSC)
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Turkish PM Erdogan blames Israel for EgyptÂ’s coup, of course
Linked on Hot Air.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 07:50 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:51 AM (5VGZi)
......on foot.
Posted by: ontherocks at August 21, 2013 07:51 AM (l0HgK)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 21, 2013 07:51 AM (XdnQT)
But, if you don't have that gene segment, it dies harmlessly.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 21, 2013 07:51 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 11:46 AM (5VGZi)
They have an entire neighborhood around D.C. where they buried mustard gas after WWI that is now contaminating the area.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 07:51 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: mark in sandy ut at August 21, 2013 07:52 AM (uC6QE)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 07:52 AM (r2PLg)
This.
Then the question, how can we help? Is there something that we can do that will prolong this process or make it more efficient? Perhaps we can offer airlift capability to Egypt to transport some of the Muslim Brotherhood to Syria. Then maybe we can make the same offer to Iran so that they don't lose their client state if Assad gets too threatened.
Maybe we can contract with Haliburton to build a reconstruction of France around the Somme or Verdun in 1916, complete with trenches, barbed wire and machine guns. The two sides can take turns climbing out of their trenches and charging at each other.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 07:52 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 07:52 AM (xorT2)
Do they think they'll get the vaccine? I've noticed none of the Die to Save Teh Erf crowd lead by example.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 07:52 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: willow at August 21, 2013 07:53 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:53 AM (5VGZi)
We can kill that many in a day.
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at August 21, 2013 07:54 AM (/kI1Q)
And of course, in Christian Nation, that would be the "gay gene".
***
I read a science fiction short story by James Alan Gardner entitled something like Snakes in the Blood similar to that. I thought it was a very good story.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 07:54 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 07:55 AM (xorT2)
Posted by: ontherocks at August 21, 2013 07:55 AM (l0HgK)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:55 AM (9Xc5j)
NSA question.... from article in the sidebar.
Something has bothered me for awhile now... and it finally hit me...
The Constitution is a document which talks about Human Rights, and what the US Government CANNOT do...
Congress shall pass no law.... is a common phrase....
Now, as the Constitution and Declaration declare that these Rights are part of being human.... does it not then follow that ALL people have these Rights, and that the Constitution stops the US Government from infringing on those Rights?
Folks are saying that the NSA stuff is OK without a Warrant, because we are just spying on foreigners... but are they not also covered by the 'safe in their persons and papers' phrase? As they are Humans... and the Constitution says that the US Government may not do that?
Spies used to know that they would be prosecuted under the laws of the country they were in.... but his is happening on US soil... under US Jurisdiction... and I submit it disregards the clear intent of the our 'Highest Law'... which it to put limits on what the Federal Government can do.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2013 07:55 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 11:52 AM (xorT2)
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Off topic and totally anecdotal..... but I know a set of identical twins. One is a total flamer..... the other is a total poon hound.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 21, 2013 07:55 AM (nELVU)
ok now that i'm actually reading the post .
i will ignore it and add a question about virus's and plagues.
is there any possibility when archeological digs are dug back up. those remains carry virus's and could be reintroduced to the world?
Posted by: willow at August 21, 2013 07:55 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 11:51 AM (m2CN7)
Please, please, please let it be Capitol Hill.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 07:55 AM (zF6Iw)
I guess our drones are incapable of being fitted with air samplers...
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 21, 2013 07:56 AM (VZSHr)
Jack Chalker wrote a book called War of Shadows in which a cabal of special children had been groomed to ascend to power in the US. Whereupon they used the government's own resources to build a bio-weapon that would allow them to seize power after using it to kill people.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:56 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at August 21, 2013 11:50 AM (tWmgi)
It was humor.
See, if you want to be tough on illegals, gassing certainly fills the bill. Also, the guy who gets tough (Assad) would be the candidate of choice because Rubio was too soft.
It's a geopolitical thing...
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 07:56 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 07:56 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at August 21, 2013 07:57 AM (/sohm)
That's a nearly perfect self-contradiction.
Losing Assad would be a very, very major blow to Hezbollah- possibly a fatal one.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 07:57 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Northernlurker at August 21, 2013 07:57 AM (BLAfs)
Posted by: fixerupper
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I do too. There are many cases, but it means nothing, because inconvenient.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 07:57 AM (aDwsi)
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Yeah. They wish.
It'll be race.
Very, very ugly stuff will come.
Suppose Revelations is about the end days to come?
It's not bullet wounds that could kill enough, fast enough to cause the streets to run with blood. Too inefficient, takes too long, requires too many on the other end of the gun.
Imagine, however, tens of thousands of people bleeding and crashing out from an Ebola variant within 24 hours.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 21, 2013 07:57 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 07:58 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 21, 2013 07:58 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:58 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at August 21, 2013 11:57 AM (/sohm)+
are the MB a designated terrorists group at this time? how could that be so if Obama has hired MB in his cabinet or Huma types etc?
Posted by: willow at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (bn3hB)
Jesus fuck we're sending US ground troops to Syria.
What is a "Jesus fuck?" Is that when you say, "If my girlfriend finds out I banged her sister, she's gonna crucify me!"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (zF6Iw)
+20 cloak of invincibility. They're only sold to Democrats.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (VZSHr)
Posted by: Billy Bob, Psuedo Intelectual at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at August 21, 2013 11:57 AM (/sohm)
LOOOKKKK!!! Prezzy got a new Puppy.....
Posted by: MSM Editor at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 08:00 AM (5VGZi)
You're asking if the rights of non-US citizens are protected by the US Constitution?
The (obvious) answer is no.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 08:00 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 11:55 AM (zF6Iw)
Spring Valley wherever that is located in D.C.
It likely has some politicians since the home price s are valued in the millions.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 08:00 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at August 21, 2013 11:57 AM (/sohm)
If the terrorist organization is the Tea Party? Yes.
Otherwise, not so much.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 08:00 AM (zF6Iw)
set of identical twins. One is a total flamer..... the other is a total
poon hound.
Posted by: fixerupper
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I do too. There are many cases, but it means nothing, because inconvenient.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 11:57 AM (aDwsi)
If they were both flamers, though, that would be proof positive.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 08:00 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Billy Bob, Psuedo Intelectual at August 21, 2013 08:00 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: willow at August 21, 2013 08:01 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 08:01 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 11:53 AM (5VGZi)
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I am literally sitting about 1 mile away from Ft Dietrich right now. There sure is an awful lot that we don't know about that place.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 21, 2013 08:01 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Snowden at August 21, 2013 08:02 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Your Ad Here! at August 21, 2013 08:02 AM (zUi7I)
Things like Ebola kill too fast. The infection burns out before it can spread too far.
You'd need to modify it with like a couple of week latency before it became symptomatic to get serious dispersal
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 21, 2013 08:02 AM (VZSHr)
Posted by: Zombie Chris Lane at August 21, 2013 08:02 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 11:57 AM (SY2Kh)
Not as much as you think. Losing Iran would be a major blow. Assad is just the middle man.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 08:03 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 08:03 AM (VtjlW)
You're asking if the rights of non-US citizens are protected by the US Constitution?
The (obvious) answer is no.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)
Why Obvious? We routinely say anyone HERE gets those rights.
And the Bill of Rights does not differentiate between non citizens and citizens when it talks about what the Government cannot do....
The US Fed Gov itself, has claimed Worldwide Jurisdiction for its Law...
So, as our Law reaches worldwide, why would the Limitations the Constitution puts on the Fed Government, not also be worldwide?
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2013 08:04 AM (lZBBB)
Hezbo is primarily being propped up by Iran now.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2013 08:04 AM (B/VB5)
>>Imagine, however, tens of thousands of people bleeding and crashing out from an Ebola variant within 24 hours.
Will Natalie Portman end up being the heroine, and everyone get to wear cool masks? I think I've seen this before.
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 08:04 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 08:05 AM (5VGZi)
Then let it rain in the Muslime Middle East for 40 days and 40 nights.
Posted by: Noah at August 21, 2013 08:05 AM (g2i/p)
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 08:05 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Noah
Didn't work last time.
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 08:06 AM (VndSC)
Windshield repair guy is late.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 12:05 PM (5VGZi)
Ask him to knock off a couple bucks. Worth a try...
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:06 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Israel at August 21, 2013 08:06 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 08:06 AM (xorT2)
Ever notice its always a US facility.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 08:06 AM (5VGZi)
So it doesn't matter what the circumstances are or are not, in Syria, the problem is 51% of the voters in the US voted for Obama, then re-elected him four years later, even after seeing him for what he really is.
So, until the division between the two halves of the US are somehow reconciled, it doesn't matter what happens in Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Europe, Mexico, or the Pacific. Until the ideology that divides the US is somehow bridged, until the race divide, the economic divide, the religious divide, the social class divide is addressed, nothing else really matters, because as long as the US is divided, no coherent foreign policy is possible either to craft or carry out.
Until the fundamental transformation of the US successfully managed by Barack Obama is undone, nothing else can be done. Apparently there isn't anyone in the US who can stop Obama, so our only hope is that in three years and a few odd months, Obama actually leaves the political scene and political power transfers to someone else.
Posted by: Awakened at August 21, 2013 08:07 AM (KezSG)
Headline from drudge, Top, middle.
click on link and you get this:
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Posted by: caustic at August 21, 2013 08:07 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2013 12:04 PM (lZBBB)
I have to agree with Hollowpoint here. I don't think foreign spies on our soil are afforded rights under the Constitution.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 08:07 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 08:07 AM (xorT2)
Posted by: blindside at August 21, 2013 08:08 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 08:08 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: Israel at August 21, 2013 12:06 PM (9Xc5j)
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We have some very nice commercial and residential properties that we would like to show you.
Posted by: Detroit at August 21, 2013 08:08 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Israel at August 21, 2013 08:08 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 08:08 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 08:09 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: Kim at August 21, 2013 08:09 AM (ICqvM)
Three-point Middle Eastern Peace plan:
1. Neutron bombs
2. Orkin comes in and chases out the cockroaches.
3. Repopulate.
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 08:09 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Awakened at August 21, 2013 12:07 PM (KezSG)
Right now I have to assume a legal, peaceful transfer of power or else I slip into despair. (Also, the likelihood shoots up if the 2016 winner is a democrat.)
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:09 AM (RD7QR)
Also, Chemical weapons don't worry me very much. Anyone with a Chemical Engineering degree could easily whip up some chemical weapons.Heck, you've probably gotenough chemical ingredients in your house to make something deadly.They're not as complex as people make them out to be, nor are they all that effective. Most governments realized that back in 1916.
It is the proliferation of biological and nuclear weapons that people should fear.
Posted by: Ben at August 21, 2013 11:41 AM (L/QR0)"
Well, you obviously never spent any time wearing a full butyl rubber suit. Chemical weapons will probably not kill too many fully equipped soldiers who are aware of the attack in time to don their protective equipment. Of course, efficiency is diminished just a tad since it is not particularly easy to eat, drink or eliminate while wearing full chemical protective gear. The stuff is also really hot. One of my fonder memories of chemical weapons school at Fort McClellan, Alabama was the decon and undressing part. When it came time to take off the rubber barn boots that were part of the ensemble, we would turn them upside down and dump a quart of sweat out of each boot.
Yes. If you are properly protected you can work with chemical weapons without injury or death but you can only do it for so long and you need quite a bit of extra infrastructure and logistics which I seriously doubt are available to the Syrian rebels.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 08:09 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at August 21, 2013 08:09 AM (71Cvy)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 08:09 AM (xorT2)
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 12:07 PM (m2CN7)
yet they wanted to give foreign terrorists rights to our courts , while simultaneously drone americans .
it's a rather fickle and arbitrary administration.
Posted by: willow at August 21, 2013 08:10 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Israel at August 21, 2013 08:10 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: backhoe at August 21, 2013 08:10 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 08:10 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Billy Bob, Psuedo Intelectual at August 21, 2013 08:10 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 08:11 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 11:54 AM (XUKZU)
That also applies to the FOXDIE virus from Metal Gear Solid. Where is my cardboard box?
Posted by: Solid Snake at August 21, 2013 08:11 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 12:08 PM (VtjlW)
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That's the one where the tree huggers were kicked off the chopper, naked, in the rain forest...... right???
Posted by: fixerupper at August 21, 2013 08:12 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: mare at August 21, 2013 08:12 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Kim
For fucks sakes. Seriously? I fart poison gas. Bitch is crazy.
Posted by: Assad, keeping it real. For his peeps. at August 21, 2013 08:14 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 12:10 PM (r2PLg)
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Ah yes.... The Green Revolution. Teh Purple Lipped Jesus did nothing to help the protesters there and only came out and said something (Purple Lip Service) after that poor girl was shot and bled out on Youtube video. He must have been "playing spades" with Reggie.
Posted by: Detroit at August 21, 2013 08:14 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: dananjcon at August 21, 2013 08:15 AM (jvd3N)
I have to agree with Hollowpoint here. I don't think foreign spies on our soil are afforded rights under the Constitution.
Posted by: polynikes at August 21, 2013 12:07 PM (m2CN7)
Uh... yes... they do... they have to be taken to court...
Note... the Constitution is explicit when it talks about the Duties and Privileges of Citizen, vice people.... people meaning EVERYONE...
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated
You have this Right whether you are a citizen or not... its a blanket prohibition of what the Government can and cannot do....
But hell.... its just that musty old document...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 21, 2013 08:16 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Israel at August 21, 2013 08:16 AM (9Xc5j)
That ending just warmed the cockles of my little heart-shaped place.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 21, 2013 08:16 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 08:16 AM (VtjlW)
As if the F-bomb is ever the most offensive (and hilarious) word ever spoken around here.
Well-crafted and creative use of profanity is one of my favorite MFing things ever.
Posted by: Jaws at August 21, 2013 08:17 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: God at August 21, 2013 08:17 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: dananjcon at August 21, 2013 08:18 AM (jvd3N)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 21, 2013 08:18 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:19 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Billy Bob, Psuedo Intelectual at August 21, 2013 08:19 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Countrysquire, back just for this comment at August 21, 2013 08:19 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: maddogg at August 21, 2013 08:20 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 12:19 PM (RD7QR)
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Yes. She can be forgiven though because ..... HOT.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 21, 2013 08:20 AM (32Ze2)
Euro antisemitism - I will never, ever understand the whys and wherefores of it, but it sure is a persistent disease.
Posted by: Jaws at August 21, 2013 08:21 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Billy Bob, Psuedo Intelectual at August 21, 2013 12:19 PM (wR+pz)
__________________
Don't forget about us!
Posted by: Sodomized Goats at August 21, 2013 08:21 AM (32Ze2)
Yup. Clark blows up the entire facility in the rain forest, strips them naked and leaves them there.
Oh that fills me with glee.
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Heh..... ever notice that the more rabid the environmentalist...... the less likey they are likely to be able to survive out in it???
Love me some Tom Clancy.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 21, 2013 08:21 AM (nELVU)
featuring a pig shaped balloon emblazoned with a Star of David at his
concerts, formally called for his supporters and musician colleagues to
join the Boycott, Divestment and Sanction movement against Israel."
Euro antisemitism - I will never, ever understand the whys and wherefores of it, but it sure is a persistent disease.
Posted by: Jaws at August 21, 2013 12:21 PM (4I3Uo)
Alas, it's so old that it's in their culture now. Plus the left hates Jews for not volunteering to evacuate Israel.
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:22 AM (RD7QR)
Also, they're looting the Food King.
Posted by: Katy at August 21, 2013 08:22 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 08:23 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: panzernashorn at August 21, 2013 08:23 AM (MhA4j)
Well-crafted and creative use of profanity is one of my favorite MFing things ever.
Posted by: Jaws at August 21, 2013 12:17 PM (4I3Uo)
But first... you will .... ah hell... you know how this goes...
Posted by: Mel.... looking distracted... at August 21, 2013 08:23 AM (lZBBB)
My GiveAFuck-O-Meter registers a big, fat zero on that one....
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 21, 2013 08:23 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit who has a Chem E degree at August 21, 2013 08:23 AM (vVMIQ)
It would take 20 years to get rid of the smell of the Arabs and their camels.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Psuedo Intelectual at August 21, 2013 12:19 PM (wR+pz)
**
True but we could also enslave their woman and pillage their villages in the process, so we have that going for us.
I think.
Posted by: dananjcon at August 21, 2013 08:24 AM (jvd3N)
Posted by: Andrew at August 21, 2013 08:24 AM (HS3dy)
Posted by: Guy who invented the "Dutch Oven" at August 21, 2013 08:24 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 21, 2013 08:25 AM (ULxVK)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 08:25 AM (xorT2)
Assad is more than just a middle man. Iran provides money and weapons, but politically Assad has long used Hezbollah to maintain a grip on Lebanon- including the assassination of anti-Syrian politicians.
Without Assad providing transit and pulling the political strings, Iran would have a much more difficult time keeping Hezbollah armed and kept under control.
There's a reason that Hezbollah- an organization that sells itself as the Lebanese "resistance" against Israel- is fighting in Syria on behalf of Assad, just as there's a reason that the leader of Hezbollah took shelter in Damascus instead of Tehran.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 08:26 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 08:26 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 21, 2013 08:26 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: panzernashorn at August 21, 2013 08:26 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Countrysquire, back just for this comment at August 21, 2013 08:26 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 08:27 AM (VtjlW)
True.
Posted by: Dang at August 21, 2013 08:27 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: rickl at August 21, 2013 08:27 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 12:19 PM (RD7QR)"
Maybe she is one of those ultra orthodox folks who are exempted from military service.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 08:27 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 21, 2013 12:25 PM (ULxVK)
Dark Side of the Moon, Animals, and Wish You Were Here were all pretty awesome. After that....let me think about it.
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:28 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 21, 2013 08:29 AM (Qf3Um)
Posted by: panzernashorn at August 21, 2013 08:29 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: superflex at August 21, 2013 08:29 AM (4a/4i)
Sheeeeeit. I didn't even have to look.
Florida
What do I win?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at August 21, 2013 08:30 AM (JpC1K)
OK, no worries. The UN Security Council is holding an EMERGENCY MEETING about the chem weapons use today!
Problem solved.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 21, 2013 08:30 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: King Putt at August 21, 2013 12:29 PM (25HWz)
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You took a divot.
On the green.
For a four foot putt.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 21, 2013 08:30 AM (nELVU)
Two words: U freakin' N.
Not our problem. Let the UN handle it. That's what it exists for... right?
And if it doesn't, then let's stop pretending, and have them vacate that building in New York.
I'm so done with the international community.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 08:31 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 21, 2013 08:31 AM (Qf3Um)
Posted by: superflex at August 21, 2013 12:29 PM (4a/4i)
Thought it was the Freemasons.
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:31 AM (RD7QR)
My GiveAFuck-O-Meter registers a big, fat zero on that one....
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 21, 2013 12:23 PM (wtvvX)"
I know. I've been tapping it but the needle won't budge from zero. Maybe I need to send it in for repair.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 08:31 AM (31Nrp)
Biden helps me with the policy, so that adds up to a whole brain.
Posted by: John Francois Kerry, Worthy Successor to Hillary! Clinton at August 21, 2013 08:32 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Countrysquire, back just for this comment at August 21, 2013 08:33 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: superflex at August 21, 2013 08:33 AM (4a/4i)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 08:33 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Countrysquire, back just for this comment at August 21, 2013 12:33 PM (LSJmV)
Dude. The Implications Are STAGGERING!
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:33 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: panzernashorn at August 21, 2013 08:34 AM (MhA4j)
I get the impression that Israeli secular culture is shifting more in the direction of conservatism lately - polls there have been pretty overwhelmingly positive on settlements and negative on Obama and the EU.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2013 08:35 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 08:35 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 08:35 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 08:36 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 08:36 AM (9Xc5j)
Wait. Then who are the Illuminati?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 21, 2013 12:34 PM (8ZskC)
**
Pffft ALL Pikers!
Posted by: The Vanderbilts at August 21, 2013 08:36 AM (jvd3N)
270
Nope. Let the Belgians take the lead on this one. We're tapped out. We met our quota on taking the lead in UN operations.
Better yet, send in the Russians and the Chinese! They're part of the UN, aren't they?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 08:36 AM (TOk1P)
Rat bastards like those in the 1000+ have murdered untold number of Americans, including my cousin's husband in Iraq.
Fuck em. May there be a thousand times more killed.
Btw, anyone else participate in the #AlJazeeraAmericaTVShows hashtag last night? Good times.
Posted by: Hawkins1701 at August 21, 2013 08:36 AM (H1od7)
What surprised me was that he's eligible for parole after only serving a third of that. Plus he gets credit for time served (about 3 years).
I don't know exactly how they determine parole eligibility, but if they count the 3 years time served as part of that third he could be out on parole in under 9 years.
Too lenient in my opinion.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 08:37 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 08:38 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 21, 2013 08:38 AM (Qf3Um)
Posted by: Man on-the-street Genius at August 21, 2013 08:38 AM (bUmSq)
Too lenient in my opinion.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 12:37 PM (SY2Kh)
My understanding is that military prison is a pretty rough row to hoe.
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:38 AM (RD7QR)
_____________
Reality isn't always pretty.
The silence out of the UN should not be surprising - but it has been irrelevant and fundamentally broken for decades - not unlike it's failed predecessor, the League of Nations.
What is being missed is that the President defined this specific action as a 'red line' - and drew that line in the sand. He has effectively boxed himself into a situation (from multiple missteps) where there is no way to 'win'...and just confirms to our enemies that he is incompetent, naive, and weak when it comes to his foreign policy vision and principles.
Posted by: Athos at August 21, 2013 08:38 AM (SNaPm)
It is and it isn't - there are hardcore leftist groups there that all but call for Arabs to kill Israelis because racism. Just not them, of course. It's like the environmentalists who think humans should die, but not them.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2013 08:39 AM (B/VB5)
Jews are not the only Semites by any means.
**
Speaking of lunch and Jooooos....I'm suddenly in the mood for a Veg-Semite sandwich.
HaHA..Get it!!??
I kill me!
Posted by: Hannibal Lechter at August 21, 2013 08:39 AM (jvd3N)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 08:39 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Zombie colonel sanders at August 21, 2013 08:40 AM (Qf3Um)
HaHA..Get it!!??
I kill me!
Posted by: Hannibal Lechter at August 21, 2013 12:39 PM (jvd3N)
Yes, we need a new thread.
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 08:40 AM (RD7QR)
Actually...that's an AWESOME prize!
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at August 21, 2013 08:40 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Trump at August 21, 2013 08:40 AM (xkqfg)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 21, 2013 08:41 AM (C8mVl)
Uh-oh.
That means they're conducting a meeting to discuss having a future meeting to discuss the wording of a Strongly Worded Letter.
That'll show 'em.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 08:41 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Jerry Jones at August 21, 2013 08:41 AM (bUmSq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 08:41 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Dang at August 21, 2013 08:43 AM (Hx2XA)
Surely no one with half a brain would advocate US troops on the ground in Syria.
Countdown to Juan McLame advocating for US troops on the ground in Syria in 5... 4... 3...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 08:43 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Carlos Danger at August 21, 2013 08:44 AM (bUmSq)
302 -
Say, isn't that el-Baredai (or however you spell it) dude looking for work now? We could send him to investigate.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 08:45 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: soothsayer at August 21, 2013 08:46 AM (NkM6s)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 21, 2013 08:46 AM (FF8Po)
I say send in Scott Ritter. First he could finger the culprits who used the gas, then he could finger the Syrian preteen girls.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 21, 2013 08:46 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 08:47 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 21, 2013 08:47 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 08:47 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: BurtTC
He's jammed up trying to delete all of the phone messages from the O-ministration.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 21, 2013 08:48 AM (hSwFv)
From what little I know it's very strict and by no means easy, but much safer than a civilian prison. Military prisoners tend to adapt much better to the regimented prison routine than civilians.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 08:48 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 08:50 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 08:51 AM (XIxXP)
I don't know, but when she appears on Dancing With The Stars I'd recommend against the old 'bucket of pig blood' prank.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 08:51 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Hannibal Lechter at August 21, 2013 08:51 AM (jvd3N)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 21, 2013 12:46 PM (FF8Po)
-- Why do I care what happens in the ME?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 21, 2013 08:52 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 21, 2013 08:52 AM (Ec6wH)
He should name it Media, or MSNBC. He already has dogs by those names, but whatever.
Posted by: kurtilator at August 21, 2013 08:52 AM (juh4Z)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 08:53 AM (VtjlW)
Helping either side in Syria, outside of humanitarian aid, is ridiculously short sighted. Giving either side weapons to prolong the fighting is not just bad foreign policy, but evil. Both sides are murdering civilians.
Someday, one side or the other will win and expose the atrocities of the other side. We don't want to give legitimacy to those in the Middle East who blame us for all suffering. We should be as uninvolved in Syria as possible.
Posted by: song from Jurassic Park at August 21, 2013 08:53 AM (FFIoe)
Ive noticed it never seems to stay in the mid east. I'm a semi fortress America guy, semi. But we have not taken steps to protect ourselve or our allies. Maybe when that happens I'll be on your team.Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 08:54 AM (XIxXP)
I didn't think so either. There isn't in the federal prison system, but according to the article he'll be eligible for parole after serving only a third of his sentence.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 21, 2013 08:54 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton
Have you tried the muffins without green beans?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at August 21, 2013 08:54 AM (hSwFv)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 21, 2013 08:55 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 08:55 AM (XIxXP)
That arms race is well under way, its letting the various local management team know the Rubicon has been crossed without consequence that's the problem. Since we can't reliably determine if Assad or Al-Nursa did this -- we should go Roman and stirke both of them - hard. I mean hard - direct, overt precision strikes on the residences and families of their leadership cabals. Reagan doctrine - kill their kids.
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 08:55 AM (CMlD4)
Nancy Boy and I are wondering if America shouldn't equip those "close to but not quite yet al Qaeda" Sunni groups fighting in Syria with tactical nukes to fight back against the evil Shiites. Either that or maybe we should put boots on the ground. We cannot let the Muslim Brotherhood or our other prominent Sunni allies be subsumed in this spreading religious war.
Have I lost all relevence or coherence yet? My years in the Senate may have affected my thinking.
Posted by: John McCain at August 21, 2013 08:55 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 08:56 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 08:57 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 08:57 AM (r2PLg)
Chicken fried staek
Mash potatos and gravy
Black eyed peas
Green beans and Corn muffins. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016
*drooling*
Posted by: Dang at August 21, 2013 08:58 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: President For Life Obama at August 21, 2013 08:58 AM (B5y+v)
If nerve agents were used, the dead would be foaming at the mouth and would have defecated all over themselves.
What's the code name for the stuff? Joe Biden?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 08:59 AM (zF6Iw)
Chicken fried staek
Mash potatos and gravy
Black eyed peas
Green beans and Corn muffins.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 12:51 PM (XIxXP)
**
What? No Lebanese? I love the Lebanese.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYr_PoVpcY
Posted by: The Vampire at August 21, 2013 08:59 AM (jvd3N)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:00 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 09:00 AM (r2PLg)
If you use QuickBook and segregrate your spending -- you can put together your own inflation rate based on your lifestyle and locale - vice - the generic Government rate.
Currently 7.4% per annum (running year, or 7.1% same month/2yrs) without gas, 8.7% if I include gas. I take out gas because where I buy it really matters, if I'm up on the farm - its 20c cheaper then the city and that skews the rate. I should have segregated gas by locale when I started.
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 09:00 AM (CMlD4)
Chicken fried staek
Mash potatos and gravy
Black eyed peas
Green beans and Corn muffins.
Posted by: Oldsailors
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Sounds great! Uh, but I'm going to need directions.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 09:01 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: jakeman at August 21, 2013 09:01 AM (GXKTh)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:01 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 09:02 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:03 AM (XIxXP)
SIL's cooking?
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 09:03 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: LaQuisha Largess' at August 21, 2013 09:03 AM (HlUFk)
Posted by: Jean
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Well, if you are using a card to purchase gasoline, the location of sale will be noted on the credit card statements.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 09:03 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 09:03 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 09:03 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 09:04 AM (r2PLg)
That could be why the Saudis are supporting jihadists in Syria and opposing them in Egypt. Syria is a Russian client that happens to be in the way of a pipeline supplying natgas to the EU. Suddenly Putin doesn't have a monopoly on gas to the Continent
That's most likely the real "gas" that's the issue here
Every war is about economics. Or as the Corleones would say "this is business, not personal"
Posted by: kbdabear at August 21, 2013 09:04 AM (/9IC1)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 21, 2013 09:04 AM (ZshNr)
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Hmm. Strikes me as close to Easley?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 09:04 AM (aDwsi)
Shipping Your Kids to Putin
Posted by: tasker at August 21, 2013 01:03 PM (r2PLg)
Sounds like one of those indie documentaries.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 21, 2013 09:04 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 21, 2013 09:04 AM (C8mVl)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:05 AM (XIxXP)
Rebels Poisoned By Own Side
AP-The chemical attack of three weeks ago
in Damascus, Syria, has been shown to have been
the work of militants opposed to Assad's regime
but also at odds with native rebels, the UN reported
today. The militants, claimed by some to be associated
with al-Queda, were found to have detonated stolen rockets
from a cache of chemical tipped weapons believed to
have been manufactured in Iraq, and then blaming the Syrian
government.
Posted by: eureka! at August 21, 2013 09:05 AM (j0nzR)
Posted by: qzy at August 21, 2013 09:06 AM (akun5)
Jesse Jackson totally 'frowns upon' thrill killing of student by 'bored' teens http://bit.ly/14ju25b
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 09:06 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:06 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: qzy at August 21, 2013 09:07 AM (akun5)
Posted by: DrDrill at August 21, 2013 09:07 AM (SjtwK)
Yeah, that'll make the next one think twice. O_O
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 09:07 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Secretary of State John Kerry at August 21, 2013 09:07 AM (B5y+v)
In other news, the President is crafting a STERN letter to President Assad on this very subject. Can a speech be far behind? - Well, perhaps not a speech, but some comment is quite likely
Posted by: Ed Gibbon at August 21, 2013 09:07 AM (4eNxd)
Jesse Jackson totally 'frowns upon' thrill killing of student by 'bored' teens
Oh my. If they do it again, he may be tempted to label them "naughty."
Posted by: real joe at August 21, 2013 09:09 AM (fqNGQ)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 21, 2013 09:09 AM (7ObY1)
maybe obama can frown upon it
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 09:09 AM (8sCoq)
In Des Moines, like 12 years ago. It wasn't bad.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 09:09 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Ed Gibbon
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Probably will suggest a beer summit..., which might not work for the muzzies.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 09:09 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Jean
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Well, if you are using a card to purchase gasoline, the location of sale will be noted on the credit card statements.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
I could go back and do it - but I would have to read and tag hundreds of transactions. There isnt an easy way to parse out by location of the purchase in the transaction records either, Next upgrade cycle, I'll give it a shot or just use a specific card for all my rural gas purchases - they're all at the same station and they have card - so I'll just get their card for use up there - and aren't local down here so it should segregate the data effectively.
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 09:10 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:10 AM (XIxXP)
Youthful hijinks. MOAR MIDNITE BASKTBALLZ!
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 09:10 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 09:10 AM (aDwsi)
'0bama' ( I always use a zero instead of an O) is the most polite name I use for that jug-eared fuckstick
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 09:10 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Countrysquire, back just for this comment at August 21, 2013 09:10 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: Prescient11 at August 21, 2013 09:11 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 01:10 PM (aDwsi)
yeah- I think we were talking about B1s or something
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 09:11 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 21, 2013 09:11 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 09:11 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:12 AM (XIxXP)
Jesse Jackson totally 'frowns upon' thrill killing of student by 'bored' teens http://bit.ly/14ju25b
***
Whoa, settle down, Jesse. Let's avoid that extreme language.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 21, 2013 09:12 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 01:09 PM (8sCoq)
It's possible. Courage
Posted by: Ed Gibbon at August 21, 2013 09:12 AM (4eNxd)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 09:13 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 09:13 AM (8sCoq)
/snort
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 21, 2013 09:13 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:14 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 21, 2013 09:14 AM (7ObY1)
http://tinyurl.com/k4gxrgl
One day in September, Two in October, and if change in behavior hasn't occurred by then, three in November and no internet purchases for the entire holiday season.
Basically all you have to do is nothing.
Posted by: Methos at August 21, 2013 09:14 AM (hO9ad)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmR-A-yJknw&NR=1
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 09:14 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 09:15 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:15 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Your Ad Here! at August 21, 2013 09:16 AM (zUi7I)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 21, 2013 09:16 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 21, 2013 09:16 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Countrysquire, back just for this comment at August 21, 2013 09:16 AM (LSJmV)
*shivers* I've got the opposite problem from you, BSR. It's 90 degrees outside and the air conditioning in my building is so damn cold I'm shivering my ass off. And I'm a person who wears short sleeves all winter and scoffs at wearing a coat.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 09:16 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:16 AM (XIxXP)
First, the number of dead, the dirty secret of chemical weapons is that they really aren't that effective. In order to kill hundred, the people would have had to have been grouped in a contained air space(s) - like bomb shelters or stadiums. Possible, but not likely. It's simply easier to kill people with good old HE rounds, rather then going thru all the hassle associated with chemical weapons.
Second, their are enough guys running around in Syria who know how to collect proper samples - it doesn't take that long to analyze them. Real data please.
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 09:16 AM (CMlD4)
No AoSHQ for a day? That's not nothing.
I can quit anytime.
I can quit anytime.
I can quit anytime.
*shakes*
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 09:17 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 21, 2013 09:17 AM (VZSHr)
Posted by: Prescient11 at August 21, 2013 09:17 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Lucky Pierre at August 21, 2013 11:32 AM (5fSr7)
Mustard and chlorine gas deployment in WWI created a repugnance against its use that has persisted to this day, with reason. Killing people like bugs in a jar may not seem any more vile than blowing them up or shooting them, but it is. Nerve gas, especially, is about as awful as it gets. There is also a fun little variant called 'blister agent', while we're on the subject. You should look it up.
War has rules. Those rules don't seem to be followed much anymore (except by us), but they exist for a reason.
Posted by: troyriser at August 21, 2013 09:17 AM (V9ol4)
Posted by: John Sobieski at August 21, 2013 09:18 AM (59MCP)
I think all the pretty people blocked it, so he had to go with new handle. But I don't twit, so I could be wrong.
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 09:18 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 09:19 AM (VtjlW)
>>I'm having Might Taco for lunch. Mighty Taco fuckin' rocks.
You be in Buffalo. Where at? I know of like 4 locations only. But they opened one here in Rochester not long ago.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 09:19 AM (3ZtZW)
I can't wear my cute sweaters to work in the winter because the fucking thermostat is on 78, but I'm wearing a jacket at my desk today.
Oh, look, jello salad recipes.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 09:19 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:19 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: troyriser at August 21, 2013 01:17 PM (V9ol4)
War has rules? you mean not like having an assassination list of civilian political targets in foreign countries?
Posted by: Drone Manager... at August 21, 2013 09:19 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 09:20 AM (8sCoq)
I can quit anytime.
I can quit anytime.
*shakes*
Posted by: HeatherRadish
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Beads of sweat forming on my brow.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.."
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 09:20 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 21, 2013 09:20 AM (VZSHr)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:20 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Your Ad Here! at August 21, 2013 09:21 AM (zUi7I)
Posted by: GuyfromNH at August 21, 2013 09:21 AM (kbOju)
Posted by: John Sobieski at August 21, 2013 01:18 PM (59MCP)
I don't see any 'bottom' with these subhuman savages
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 09:22 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 21, 2013 09:22 AM (659DL)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 09:23 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:23 AM (XIxXP)
Generating a lack of traffic is the point. I don't think there's going to be any physical damage from not accessing the internet, even en masse.
Refusing to make any internet purchases over the holidays will crash some stuff, but if our representatives won't shut the government down to defend our rights, the obligation returns to us.
Posted by: Methos at August 21, 2013 09:23 AM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Drone Manager... at August 21, 2013 01:19 PM (lZBBB)
Al Queda doesn't wear uniforms or recognize national loyalties or boundaries, so if you know a better way to get at them then by all means share with the rest of the class.
Posted by: troyriser at August 21, 2013 09:23 AM (V9ol4)
391 and one twin engine Brit fighter/bomber I couldn't identify
There is a rebuilt Mosquito out there somewhere...
Posted by: Anachronda at August 21, 2013 09:24 AM (IrbU4)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 21, 2013 09:24 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 21, 2013 09:24 AM (659DL)
Pssst - AoS Premium Members Late Thread Bonus Video
Marvel One Shots: Agent Carter
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Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 21, 2013 09:24 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Fritz at August 21, 2013 09:25 AM (C1d5Z)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:25 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Your Ad Here! at August 21, 2013 09:26 AM (zUi7I)
Posted by: Burger King Workers at August 21, 2013 09:26 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 09:26 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 09:27 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: garrett at August 21, 2013 09:27 AM (7zLjC)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 09:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jones
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And just about the last thing that the Brits built that was worth a damn.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 09:28 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:28 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 21, 2013 09:28 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: gm at August 21, 2013 09:28 AM (/kBoL)
Posted by: Salty Alaskan at August 21, 2013 09:28 AM (+Z5tu)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 21, 2013 09:29 AM (7ObY1)
>>>I be in Buffalo. There's a Mighty in walking distance from my house too.
I was living off Elmwood down by the old bookstore back in the day. Then North Bflo, near the zoo. Was attending UB then, and long ago seems like.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 09:29 AM (3ZtZW)
http://on.wtsp.com/172q7bB
Guess. That. State.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 12:27 PM (VtjlW)
I guessed Florida! What do I win?
(Thank you Dave Barry, for teaching me that Florida is the center of mass of weird in America)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 09:29 AM (sGtp+)
I was walking to work one morning when I heard a rumble - a low flying B-17 leaving the local airport after a Warbirds show. Gave me a real tingle, not like those fake ones Tingles gets.
Posted by: real joe at August 21, 2013 09:30 AM (fqNGQ)
Posted by: gm at August 21, 2013 09:30 AM (/kBoL)
*twitch*
*twitchtwitch*
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 09:30 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:30 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 09:31 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: Anachronda at August 21, 2013 01:24 PM (IrbU4)\
this plane had 2 vertical stabilizers- looked like a baby Mitchell B-25
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 09:31 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 09:32 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:32 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: mugiwara at August 21, 2013 09:32 AM (D5hxK)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 09:33 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2013 12:35 PM (B/VB5)"
I remember Michael Totten writing that a lot of Israelis would love to be left wing Scandinavians or the sort of reflexively leftists you meet in academia but the fact that they are surrounded by millions of people who want them dead and work constantly for their extinction forces them to take a more pragmatic view of human nature and of their defense policy.
The way I think this probably works out is that when the US has a Republican president who is friendly to Israel, the confidence they feel leaves them free to indulge their inner left wing socialist doushebag. When there is a Democrat who is hostile to Israel in the White House, Israelis are forced to do what they must rather than what they want.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 09:33 AM (31Nrp)
1K Syrian jihadis killed by gas = hand wringing?
I don't get it.
Posted by: Salty Alaskan at August 21, 2013 01:28 PM (+Z5tu) /i]
Not hand-wringing. NO one mourns the death of a jihadi. The difference is this:
1) Believe it or not, there actually ARE normal people in Syria who just want to live their lives without being shot at every day. They would suffer from a chemical weapons attack just as much as the bad guys.
2) Chemical weapons are awful, awful things. They kill and maim in excruciating ways, and not quickly either. The last thing anyone should do is say, "Meh, it's okay that they were used in this case because look who was killed. Who cares?" That's just a way of mainstreaming their use.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 09:34 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 09:34 AM (5VGZi)
http://amzn.to/19JBsD2
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 01:32 PM (VtjlW)
Oooh, thank you!
*BOUNCE* Wheeeee!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 09:35 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:35 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 21, 2013 01:23 PM (4df7R) [/i
How are they going to do that? Get our orders right and quickly, and be courteous to the customers?
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2013 09:36 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 09:36 AM (sGtp+)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 09:37 AM (oY6Yp)
Think AllenG has joined the anthology kick. Still need to read Lauren's first draft since this morning went a bit sideways.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 09:39 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: superflex at August 21, 2013 09:39 AM (4a/4i)
Posted by: Prescient11 at August 21, 2013 01:11 PM (tVTLU)
He is now The_One_Who_Brings. And check out the picture. He's definitely ready to Bring.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2013 09:43 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: superflex at August 21, 2013 09:47 AM (4a/4i)
Posted by: troyriser at August 21, 2013 01:17 PM (V9ol4)"
War has rules? Bowling has rules. War? Somewhat less so.
Posted by: Walter Sobchack at August 21, 2013 09:55 AM (31Nrp)
1) Believe it or not, there actually ARE normal people in Syria who just want to live their lives without being shot at every day.They would suffer from a chemical weapons attack just as much as the bad guys.
2) Chemical weapons are awful, awful things. They kill and maim in excruciating ways, and not quickly either. The last thing anyone should do is say, "Meh, it's okay that they were used in this case because look who was killed. Who cares?" That's just a way of mainstreaming their use.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 21, 2013 01:34 PM (4df7R)"
1) My mother in law lived in Vienna, in Penzing near the rail yards, when Austria was a part of Nazi Germany. From what I have heard from other people as well as her own accounts, she was never a Nazi or particularly enthusiastic about the Anschluss. My father flew in a B-24 and on several occasions bombed the rail yards in Vienna. Given the accuracy limits of 1940s technology that means that the bombs fell all over the general area in and around the rail yards. My dad never felt even a bit sheepish about what he did.
2) I have known people who were accidentally poisoned with nerve gas. They went through the whole convulsions, and rigid muscles thing but they were hit with an atropine injector in time and survived the experience. They all claimed that they could not remember anything between feeling faint and blurry vision and waking up in a hospital.
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