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April 05, 2013

Claim: Demographics Favor... the GOP
— Ace

This flies against everything I've heard, which is why I'm linking it. I'm not at all certain this is correct -- again, because all I ever hear about is the inevitability of a dominant liberal coalition -- but such a surprising claim deserves some airing.

Here's the big caveat to the claim: Except for illegal immigration. Which might be why your friendly neighborhood Democratic Party is so determined to bring in millions of newly-minted voters with higher-than-replacement-level birth rates.

As shown by demographer Eric Kaufman of the University of London, religious couples across all cultures are for obvious reasons (including but not limited to abortion) having more children per family than are the secular-irreligious, whose birthrates are below replacement Â— which means a declining population.
"After 2020," says Kaufman, the devoutly religious of all faiths "will begin to tip the culture wars to the conservative side."

Posted by: Ace at 09:47 AM | Comments (208)
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1 The Duggar family will make up at least 30% of the U.S. population by 2030.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 05, 2013 09:48 AM (oBhEo)

2 They were supposed to favour us back in Nov too.

Posted by: EC at April 05, 2013 09:49 AM (GQ8sn)

3 Be fruitful and multiply. Then crush them.

Posted by: irright at April 05, 2013 09:49 AM (8GKDa)

4 >Here's the big caveat to the claim: Except for illegal immigration. Like when then-mayor Marion Barry said that 'except for the killings', DC was a pretty safe town

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 05, 2013 09:49 AM (8sCoq)

5 No worries.

Posted by: Judge Korman at April 05, 2013 09:49 AM (5p4Hc)

6 Something similar is happening among Jews. The modern orthodox and hasidic populations have lots of children, and the enlightened reform and secular Jews have less than replacement.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 05, 2013 09:50 AM (0zDXv)

His logic does not follow.... some of the most anti religious folks I know, had very religious parents...

Heck... My Mom goes to church twice a week... and is there working almost daily.... and I won't step foot in that church...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 05, 2013 09:50 AM (lZBBB)

8 I'll believe it when I actually see it happen.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 05, 2013 09:50 AM (XFYiQ)

9 Wishful thinking.

Posted by: Y-not at April 05, 2013 09:51 AM (5H6zj)

10 I don't want to wait till 2020 either.

Posted by: EC at April 05, 2013 09:51 AM (GQ8sn)

Sounds like the Israeli counter-claims (which are highly plausible) demolishing the Fakestinians' contentions (which are sounding less plausible with every careful review) that they will win the demography battle. The good guys can and should take hope.

Posted by: RamonAllones at April 05, 2013 09:51 AM (3lLli)

12 Certainly seems plausible. Doesn't, however, account for the impoverishing of the would-be middle class through the bankrupting of the government, though, does it ? That would be a major issue. The more people that are squeezed out by the massive entitlement state, the more people will have their hand out for free stuff.

Posted by: deadrody at April 05, 2013 09:51 AM (b2D8X)

13 Poppydash! Let's face it: This is a good time to be a Leftist. They have us on the run.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 05, 2013 09:52 AM (hA+ft)

14 Living alone on an island in Alaska seemed like a good idea, except for the part at the end when the bears ate me

Posted by: Timothy Treadwell at April 05, 2013 09:52 AM (8sCoq)

15 Never buy arguments of demographic certitude. They're just an excuse for being too lazy to make a valid argument.

Posted by: Shawn G at April 05, 2013 09:52 AM (/lltO)

16 The state has a keen interest in removing those children from the abusive dangerous religions family indoctrination.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 05, 2013 09:52 AM (epxV4)

17 Damn that's interesting. I keep forgetting that. I know it, yet forget it. Hmmm. It's like some race against time though.

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 09:52 AM (r2PLg)

18 Except the latest numbers showed, that while, for example, the Catholic faith maintained their numbers, the numbers were made up with mostly hispanics (while all other "christian" religions dropped in numbers). Hispanics tend to vote for socialized societies. (I would argue the new wave.) I don't see it happening. I see other reasons, maybe. Like out of pocket expenses, which hits everyone.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 05, 2013 09:53 AM (XYSwB)

19 There will be nothing left by 2020.

Posted by: Decaf at April 05, 2013 09:53 AM (wQFNP)

20 Except for illegal immigration... and vote fraud, which of course doesn't exist.

Posted by: Real Joe at April 05, 2013 09:53 AM (QrPGw)

21 The only devoutly religious cohort making any real population gains is of the Islamic variety. Or maybe devout Social Justice parishioners. Conflating "religious" with Conservatism in this context seems like a stretch.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 05, 2013 09:53 AM (ZshNr)

22 Not a problem once you give us your children so that we can ~~indoctrinate~~ educate them.

Posted by: Liberals at April 05, 2013 09:53 AM (SO2Q8)

23 The GOP should do a Muzzie outreach, like NASA. That should beef up our voter rolls...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2013 09:53 AM (tqLft)

24 except for her face and stupidity, Rachel Madcow is an attractive, lucid woman

Posted by: Rod from Rotterdam at April 05, 2013 09:54 AM (Dll6b)

25 Even if it's true that more religious people have more kids, it's not necessarily true that religious=conservative, nor is it true that the conservative families necessarily produce conservative kids (or religious ones). Moreover, since the GOP has decided to abdicate on the culture wars, there's really no particular draw for the religious folks to vote with us. Why attach yourself to the party of personal fiscal responsibility when you can feel good by being in the party of government charity for all?

Posted by: Y-not at April 05, 2013 09:54 AM (5H6zj)

26 I was in a discussion with someone about the Middle east and they said that was Arafat's strategy.

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 09:54 AM (r2PLg)

27 Bull. Once they hit the schools, parental religion is irrelevant in many cases.

Posted by: grognard at April 05, 2013 09:54 AM (oA4wp)

28 "As shown by demographer Eric Kaufman of the University of London, religious couples across all cultures are for obvious reasons (including but not limited to abortion) having more children per family than are the secular-irreligious, whose birthrates are below replacement Â— which means a declining population."

I doubt it's Christians he's referring to......

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 05, 2013 09:54 AM (X6akg)

29 The future belongs to those who show up.

Posted by: NYCcon at April 05, 2013 09:54 AM (jLXdE)

30 3 Be fruitful and multiply. Then crush them. Posted by: irright at April 05, 2013 01:49 PM (8GKDa) Be fruitless and subtract. Or divide and conquer...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 05, 2013 09:54 AM (tqLft)

31 16 The state has a keen interest in removing those children from the abusive dangerous religions family indoctrination. Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 05, 2013 01:52 PM (epxV4) Pretty much. Between grade school, college, and pop culture indoctrination, any birthrate advantages are neutralized.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at April 05, 2013 09:55 AM (nO18H)

32 Except for her giant brainy brain, that Susan A. Patton (Princeton, Class of '77) is obtainable to the average Joe.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 05, 2013 09:55 AM (BAS5M)

33
..... well duh.

Why do think every leftard cheers the "whites will be in the minority by 2025".

Our electorate has always... for the most part.... center right. So how do you overcome that??? Change the electorate and tear apart the culture.

the "except for" referenced in the article is a big friggin exception.... as in "our planet would be a barren frozen wasteland adrift in space..... except for the sun."

Posted by: fixerupper at April 05, 2013 09:55 AM (nELVU)

34 Well, while we wait for the generations to pass to make that the case, this country will be dead and we'll all be islamic, so it matters not in the long run.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 09:56 AM (xmcEQ)

35 and from the previous / dead thread, the MiG-25 was the item which got flown to Japan, stayed a while, and then returned.

stainless steel airplane, as I recall. Heavy, it was

Posted by: Rod from Rotterdam at April 05, 2013 09:56 AM (Dll6b)

36 Actually, most future GOP voters will come from Democrats who can't stand the raging assholes that a lot of their fellow Democrats are.

Or they just get tired of hearing "fuck you, pay me"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2013 09:56 AM (mCvL4)

37 I doubt it's Christians he's referring to......

Posted by: Tami at April 05, 2013 01:54 PM (X6akg)

VERY good point...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 05, 2013 09:57 AM (lZBBB)

38 Which might be why your friendly neighborhood Democratic Party is so determined to pick new voters.

And what is the reason for idiot Republicans to push it? I think I answered my own question.

Posted by: dogfish at April 05, 2013 09:57 AM (X3HQR)

39 we are screwed. Nov. was it. The scales are tipped.. there are more takers than makers.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at April 05, 2013 09:57 AM (DGIjM)

40 The most religious people I know vote Democrat because --poor people need hand outs from the rich 1%.

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 09:57 AM (r2PLg)

41 In the future homeschooling will be illegal.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 05, 2013 09:57 AM (oBhEo)

42 If the leftists control this country until 2020, there won't be anything left to save. The US will be nothing but an obscure historical event.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 09:57 AM (dzVIa)

43 except for her ~~face and stupidity~~ being a man, Rachel Madcow is an attractive, lucid woman

Posted by: Rod from Rotterdam at April 05, 2013 01:54 PM (Dll6b)

Corrected for accuracy.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 09:58 AM (xmcEQ)

44 Hm . . . despite the propensity for the young to favor liberals/Democrats? Also, illegal immigrants end up having citizen children. Even if there's no amnesty, we're still looking at trouble.

Posted by: Hal at April 05, 2013 09:58 AM (MftY/)

45 I can see culturally conservative voters in districts where there is virtual sharia law

But muzzies love the free government shit as much as the rest of them

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2013 09:58 AM (mCvL4)

46 Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible.

Posted by: Stuff George Orwell Said for $100 [/i] at April 05, 2013 09:58 AM (feFL6)

47 Except for her giant brainy brain, that Susan A. Patton (Princeton, Class of '77) is obtainable to the average Joe.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 05, 2013 01:55 PM (BAS5M)

That's not possible, because Average Joe sucks cock by choice and isn't interested in anyone named "Susan."

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 09:59 AM (xmcEQ)

48 Well, we have 4 kids.

Posted by: Lauren at April 05, 2013 09:59 AM (wsGWu)

49 This sounds like the subject of an upcoming book from Dick Morris.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 05, 2013 09:59 AM (+lsX1)

50 Ya somehow the thread about China, Norks and destroyers seemed more *cheery*.

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 09:59 AM (r2PLg)

51 Plus, the left indoctrinates the children of others which absolves them of needing to have kids.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 05, 2013 10:00 AM (uhftQ)

52 >Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible. I fondly remember the coming 'permanent conservative majority' after W's re-election

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 05, 2013 10:00 AM (8sCoq)

53 This thread needs more Moo Moo or something/

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 10:00 AM (r2PLg)

54 we are screwed. Nov. was it. The scales are tipped.. there are more takers than makers.
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at April 05, 2013 01:57 PM (DGIjM)

I actually don't believe that's the case. The margins are narrowing, sure, but we just had way too many sit out last election because of the shitty candidates.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:00 AM (xmcEQ)

55 Like when then-mayor Marion Barry said that 'except for the killings', DC was a pretty safe town One of the sites in DC I visited this week was a high school...there were several 9mm shells lying in the street opposite of the school's entrance where I parked. I sent pics of them to my wife.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2013 10:00 AM (eyJh9)

56 My crack team has done analysis on our state of the art Commodore 64 computers and we've got a plan that can't lose now!

Wait will you see our PAUL-100 robodialers!

Posted by: Karl Rove at April 05, 2013 10:00 AM (mCvL4)

57 Got milk?

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 10:00 AM (r2PLg)

58 This sounds like the subject of an upcoming book from Dick Morris.

Also, Nostradamus predicted this.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at April 05, 2013 10:01 AM (8ZskC)

59 Why do think every leftard cheers the "whites will be in the minority by 2025".

Our electorate has always... for the most part.... center right. So how do you overcome that??? Change the electorate and tear apart the culture.

the "except for" referenced in the article is a big friggin exception.... as in "our planet would be a barren frozen wasteland adrift in space..... except for the sun."

Posted by: fixerupper at April 05, 2013 01:55 PM (nELVU)

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There was an article in WZ or Tepid Air that I read not too long ago that said if the immigration rate from mehico stays the same in CA, caucasions will be in the minority status by late 2015.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 10:01 AM (dzVIa)

Well, OBVIOUSLY if we're going to stop this from happening, we need to corrupt these religious nuts' kids in our public schools, and then get them onto the morning-after pill without their parents knowing about it.

That'll settle this in about 18 years.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at April 05, 2013 10:01 AM (YYJjz)

61 this demographer says that more conservatives will be the result of bigger 'religious' families but a couple of weeks ago Ace posted about the decline of religion in tge U.S. so the net result is a shrinking 'religious' cohort that has slightly larger families than the non-religious majority In other words: This is a good time to be a Leftist.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 05, 2013 10:01 AM (+7i2c)

62 Now, this is my kind of political action! Where da Catholic women at?

Posted by: Cyrus Pants at April 05, 2013 10:01 AM (scDPS)

63 Except for about 18 minutes at San Jacinto, Generalissimo Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna had a great military compaign through Texas, squashing the uprising.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 05, 2013 10:01 AM (BAS5M)

64 I actually don't believe that's the case. The margins are narrowing, sure, but we just had way too many sit out last election because of the shitty candidates. Posted by: Â© Sponge at April 05, 2013 02:00 PM (xmcEQ) I hope you are right.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at April 05, 2013 10:01 AM (DGIjM)

The US will be nothing but an obscure historical event.

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The Roman Empire is long gone but still not obscure. People in the after-times will look back in wonder that giants once walked the Earth. Like vanished Numenor swallowed by the sea, it's fallen glory will live on in memory.

Posted by: Liberals at April 05, 2013 10:02 AM (SO2Q8)

66 Was anyone lurking on the thread where Jeff B. got all drunk and was praising Mr. Moo Moo--and Moo Moo disappeared? It was magic! I tell ya.

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 10:02 AM (r2PLg)

67 and from the previous / dead thread, the MiG-25 was the item which got flown to Japan, stayed a while, and then returned. stainless steel airplane, as I recall. Heavy, it was Was that the one we took apart, and put back together before allowing the Sov's to come in and fly it out?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (eyJh9)

68 Other than a bad quarterback, no impact receivers, running backs, linebackers, and a shitty O-line, the Jets are looking pretty good for next season

Posted by: Karl Rove at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (mCvL4)

69 In other words, the pond is ever-shrinking but the amount of in the pond is increasing at a negligible rate. big friggin whoop

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (SljXf)

70 The green jello with carrots is laced with abortificants.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (iT7+e)

71 I hope you are right.
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at April 05, 2013 02:01 PM (DGIjM)

Mee too...

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (xmcEQ)

72 But multiply by what? In Yemen it is seven. Here it is 1.4. Makes a big difference.

Posted by: Beagle at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (sOtz/)

51Plus, the left indoctrinates the children of others which absolves them of needing to have kids.

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It takes a village to raise a socialist.

Posted by: Liberals at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (SO2Q8)

74 I don't buy it. Just because a devoutly religious couple has lots of kids doesn't mean all their kids will be devoutly religious or vice versa for the secular couple. However did this model or study is making a poor assumption.

Posted by: SwampFox at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (yUS5D)

75 fish, dammit amount of fish

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 05, 2013 10:03 AM (yVBJI)

76 >>> religious of all faiths "will begin to tip the culture wars to the conservative side." Hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *wipes tear*

Posted by: Shaggy at April 05, 2013 10:04 AM (q177U)

77 except for a few weeks in June and May, 1940, the French military did a fine job in WWII

Posted by: Rod from Rotterdam at April 05, 2013 10:04 AM (Dll6b)

78 Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible.

Posted by: Stuff George Orwell Said for $100 at April 05, 2013 01:58 PM (feFL6)

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What's frightening is sometimes they are.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 10:04 AM (dzVIa)

79 The Roman Empire is long gone but still not obscure. People in the after-times will look back in wonder that giants once walked the Earth. Like vanished Numenor swallowed by the sea, it's fallen glory will live on in memory.
Posted by: Liberals at April 05, 2013 02:02 PM (SO2Q

That won't happen because when the time comes, the history books will be revised and America will have never been great, nor existed.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:04 AM (xmcEQ)

80 except for his tendency to throw passes to the other team, Tony Romo is a fine QB

worth every penny, he is...

Posted by: Rod from Rotterdam at April 05, 2013 10:05 AM (Dll6b)

81 Ahh, but the low information, trailer park living, occasional meth smoking, contraceptive-not-wearing, fuck-early-and-often, government-largesse-consuming, driven-to-the-polls-in-buses crowd will counterbalance them.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 05, 2013 10:05 AM (OZmbA)

82 They know their beliefs are suicidal in that they don't reproduce. Which is why they have been encouraging importing voters almost since the beginning of the progressive project. They haven't exactly been shy about speaking semi-openly about their efforts to bring in voters more likely to be amendable to a progressive welfare state.

Most blue areas close a couple of schools every fall because even if population is stable or even growing, it is from people in red areas moving in and not from reproduction within. Heck, as soon as blue people have a couple of kids they start looking to relocate, it is one of the drivers of the 'purple' wave in the western states. Because once ya have kids, you look at living in Sodom and Gomorah differently.

The trick is to pay a little less attention to Washington and more to seizing your local school board. Because right now they let reds breed and then they take over. End that and end the progressives in a generation.

Posted by: John Morris at April 05, 2013 10:05 AM (YhRJW)

83 @elizabethe answered you on previous thread

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 05, 2013 10:05 AM (XYSwB)

84 @elizabethe answered you on previous thread Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 05, 2013 02:05 PM (XYSwB) thx, checking it out.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 05, 2013 10:06 AM (qPCAa)

85 There was an article in WZ or Tepid Air that I read not too long ago that said if the immigration rate from mehico stays the same in CA, caucasions will be in the minority status by late 2015. Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 02:01 PM

That's why California is on its way to utopia, baby!

The Golden State will be majority Mexican, and everybody knows that if anyone knows how to take a resource rich state and spin pure gold from it, it's the Mexicans!

Now excuse me, I've got to write another Nobel acceptance speech for the ages

Posted by: Paul Krugman, Super Genius at April 05, 2013 10:06 AM (mCvL4)

86 "The Roman Empire is long gone but still not obscure."

I doubt many high schoolers are studying up on antiquity.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 05, 2013 10:06 AM (oBhEo)

87 When it comes down can a God lover gun clinger from West Virgina vote the same way a San Fransisco meat it murder and daily nude gay pride parade sit at the same table and solve anything when the politicians can't hide what each other really believes and tells the truth.

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at April 05, 2013 10:07 AM (jOPzC)

88 Any demographic thread should quote EoJ's "dick-flavored Pez dispenser" rant. Isn't that in the HQ style guide yet?

Posted by: Ian S. at April 05, 2013 10:07 AM (B/VB5)

89 Does this mean we should hold off all the social-issue compromises?

Posted by: Mindy at April 05, 2013 10:07 AM (wk9P4)

90 The problem with that, besides being just another study, is that it doesn't make allowances for the draw of the FSA.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2013 10:07 AM (53z96)

91 religious =/= conservative

Posted by: Bigby's Dyke-Plugging Finger at April 05, 2013 10:08 AM (3ZtZW)

92 It's Friday, all we need to make the day complete is a movie review from ace, preferably double-posted

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2013 10:08 AM (mCvL4)

93 BF Barry and I will marry and adopt in 2017.

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 05, 2013 10:08 AM (wIgpo)

The Golden State will be majority Mexican, and everybody knows that if anyone knows how to take a resource rich state and spin pure gold from it, it's the Mexicans!

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But just think how finely crafted the lanscaping will be!

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 05, 2013 10:08 AM (SO2Q8)

@ 86 - "I doubt many high schoolers are studying up on antiquity."

Aunt Who? Was she the chick from Star Wars?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at April 05, 2013 10:08 AM (YYJjz)

96 Only if the religious parents keep their kids from liberal indoctrination.

Posted by: zmdavid at April 05, 2013 10:08 AM (8mttr)

97 answered you on previous thread Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 05, 2013 02:05 PM (XYSwB) wow, you rock. sigh. I am wasting my life.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 05, 2013 10:08 AM (qPCAa)

98 The dumbness of that article is beyond human understanding. I'll just hit two things, so the Lovecraftian idiocy of it doesn't consume my being:

One: If you think that anything about Democrats or anything they're doing is "counterculture," you're absolutely wrong about everything you believe, have ever believed, and ever will believe. "Culture" is what they say it is. Period. They rule, you suck it.

And two: Current pressures (official and otherwise) and incentives (career and otherwise) to identify as non-white--especially among Arabs, majority-European-descended Latinos, thick-eyebrowed Europeans, people of indeterminate/mixed ethnicity, and upper-case White People who use the word "white" as a social weapon--is stronger than religion.

(Which has mostly degenerated into worldly socialist crap anyway, but never mind.)

Posted by: oblig. at April 05, 2013 10:09 AM (cePv8)

99 Are these the same people who tell us that Hispanics are natural conservatives?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2013 10:09 AM (mCvL4)

100 81 Ahh, but the low information, trailer park living, occasional meth smoking, contraceptive-not-wearing, fuck-early-and-often, government-largesse-consuming, driven-to-the-polls-in-buses crowd will counterbalance them. No they won't. Non-monogamous pairings are inefficient and shitty at growing a population.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 05, 2013 10:09 AM (tmzN0)

101 except for his tendency to throw passes to the other team, Tony Romo is a fine QB

worth every penny, he is...

Posted by: Rod from Rotterdam at April 05, 2013 02:05 PM (Dll6b)

Tony is a good fantasy quarterback. His numbers are good and usually scores points in the fantasy leagues. Unfortunately, the NFL is not a fantasy league and you must WIN games to compete.

Jerry Jones evaluates talent much like Al Sharpton rocks the screen in news / opinion shows.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:10 AM (xmcEQ)

102 but a couple of weeks ago Ace posted about the decline of religion in tge U.S. so the net result is a shrinking 'religious' cohort that has slightly larger families than the non-religious majority In other words: This is a good time to be a Leftist. Posted by: Soothsayer at April 05, 2013 02:01 PM (+7i2c) ********* Except for the Latino Catholic segment which was either stabilizing the Catholic percentage or giving it a slight uptick. I'm not sure if Sandoval is Catholic but he's in an interesting position. Executive office where he doesn't have to get into the stickey wicket of certain national votes. Plus his resume--love it. Good voice. Decent oratory skills.

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 10:10 AM (r2PLg)

103

86"The Roman Empire is long gone but still not obscure."

I doubt many high schoolers are studying up on antiquity.

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But they'll all watch Gladiator, or at least Caligula

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 05, 2013 10:10 AM (SO2Q8)

104 the third largest religious group in the U.S. is lapsed Catholic.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 05, 2013 10:10 AM (qPCAa)

105 Chris Hayes hates America:

But while there are genuinely hard questions on Guantanamo, there are some easy ones too.

The dozens of men who have been cleared by the United States government for release should be released immediately, should be paid restitution, and offered legal residence in the United States.

How on earth can anyone think like this?

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:11 AM (xmcEQ)

106 artisanal 'ette, we will talk more later. I have to go in a couple of minutes.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 05, 2013 10:12 AM (qPCAa)

107 That won't happen because when the time comes, the history books will be revised and America will have never been great, nor existed.

Posted by: Â© Sponge at April 05, 2013 02:04 PM (xmcEQ)

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And that was the context in which I made my comment. It's already happening.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 10:12 AM (dzVIa)

108 I'm so warn out from religion being injected into everything. When, truly, common sense should be the main theme in so many cases. And, religion is being used as a wedge issue. The fed judge who spews religion as his reason for denouncing Sebelius for the over the counter after whatever pill is just a religious hating nut. And, being from NY, he knows he'll get the support.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 05, 2013 10:12 AM (XYSwB)

109 >sigh. I am wasting my life. Posted by: elizabethe at April 05, 2013 02:08 PM (qPCAa) me too- there's a garage not far from here with a large American-made motorcycle in it, and I have the keys out

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 05, 2013 10:12 AM (8sCoq)

110

"The Roman Empire is long gone but still not obscure."

I doubt many high schoolers are studying up on antiquity.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 05, 2013 02:06 PM (oBhEo)

Romani Ite Domum!

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 05, 2013 10:12 AM (BAS5M)

111 92 It's Friday, all we need to make the day complete is a movie review from ace, preferably double-posted --- I am desperate for a movie rec for this wkend. We're supposed to have rain all/most of the wkend. Has anyone seen GI Joe? I didn't see the first one so I don't care if it's worse than that one. Is it watchable?

Posted by: Y-not at April 05, 2013 10:12 AM (5H6zj)

112

If it were repubigraphics I would believe the study. It obviously favors the dems since its demographics. Geesh you people are dumb.

Posted by: typical low info voter at April 05, 2013 10:13 AM (m2CN7)

113 104 the third largest religious group in the U.S. is lapsed Catholic. Posted by: elizabethe at April 05, 2013 02:10 PM (qPCAa) _________________ Also known as Reagan Democrats or "The Swing Vote" (particularly the white Catholic portion.)

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 10:13 AM (r2PLg)

114 speaking of kids studying antiquities -- today we are learning about Gilgamesh -- gotta go. Can't wait till we get to the ancient Greeks.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 05, 2013 10:13 AM (qPCAa)

115 How's this for demographics?

People Not In Labor Force Soar By 663,000 To 90 Million, Labor Force Participation Rate At 1979 Levels

But I guess that doesn't matter any more because we must be sooooo enlightened to the left continue its rampage through the country

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 05, 2013 10:14 AM (1Jaio)

116 Holy crap, I remember now why I don't watch daytime tv. I just saw a trailer for a free Angela Davis movie. I guess if she had a better lawyer she could be teaching at Columbia.

Posted by: No good deed at April 05, 2013 10:15 AM (mjQhI)

117 This would absolutely be true if we didn't have open borders for the last 30 years. If the border was just enforced, the GOP would be the dominate party nowadays.

Posted by: MJH at April 05, 2013 10:15 AM (7QQQK)

118 How's this for demographics?

People Not In Labor Force Soar By 663,000 To 90 Million, Labor Force Participation Rate At 1979 Levels

But I guess that doesn't matter any more because we must be sooooo enlightened to the left continue its rampage through the country

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 05, 2013 02:14 PM (1Jaio)

Fucking Republicans and their forced sequester......

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:15 AM (xmcEQ)

119 I call b.s., and the reason being that the study seems to be racially narrow. Whites are having less kids, which means, yes, among whites the libs will die out and be in a minority soon. But such is not the case with blacks and hispanics. Despite the crazy high abortion rate among blacks, their numbers are still increasing compared to whites at a high rate... and we all know what direction they lean politically. Ditto for the hispanics. I think that the hispanics are more conservative and long-term they could swing GOP... but I'm talking so far in the future that the GOP isn't called the GOP anymore. I think we've reached that point where a majority of people HAVE to learn things the hard way. We will continue to spiral down until it gets so bad a second revolution is required to reset everything. Culturally we just have too many hyphenated Americans. They literally just don't comprehend what liberty is. We are beyond issues of liberal vs. conservative. Define conservative, define liberal. When I look at the GOP I just don't see conservatism in the way that I understand it to be. I mean we're arguing about relatively slight differences to issues that aren't conservative to begin with. We push back and forth on what should be contained in public school curriculum when we shouldn't even be having this conversation to begin with and instead should be talking about doing away with the Dept of Education altogether. But try explaining this to any of these new expanding demographics that will be taking over. You start talking about individual liberty and constitution and their eyes will glaze over and they'll call you a conspiracy theorist. You're a nut. Demographically we are unquestionably fucked, make no mistake about it.

Posted by: Andrew at April 05, 2013 10:16 AM (HS3dy)

120 If it weren't for that one pesky day in November, I'd probably be doing a pretty good job as President.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at April 05, 2013 10:16 AM (voeac)

121

Ace: ..."Here's the big caveat to the claim: Except for illegal immigration."

That's a really big caveat.

That's like saying...'We will have perfect weather, except for a few hurricanes'.

Posted by: wheatie at April 05, 2013 10:16 AM (5kUwW)

122 Here's the big caveat to the claim: Except for illegal immigration. Which might be why your friendly neighborhood Democratic Party is so determined to bring in millions of newly-minted voters with higher-than-replacement-level birth rates.

--and if the GOP continue to believe, despite overwhelming evidence and experience (1986) to the contrary, that amnesty will gain millions of new conservatives and Republicans, they deserve to go extinct as a party.

Posted by: logprof at April 05, 2013 10:16 AM (+iA5G)

123

Ahem. No shit ace. Soon the orthodox jews will vastly outnumber the seculars.

That's why Israel will become more and more conservative in short order.

Marco Rubio walks from Gang of Eight. Inhofe walks from background check bullshit.

WE ARE LEARNING AND USING THEIR TACTICS. Try very damn hard and at least try to work on a bi-partisan basis to address the issue.

Then we see everything these fucking clowns offer is bullshit, and WALK!!! hahahahahaha. Perfect. GOP getting smarter by the fucking day.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 05, 2013 10:17 AM (tVTLU)

124 This was up front in my mind when touring the Opryland Resort hotel complex over Easter weekend in Nashville. All families, lotsa kids, Christian t-shirts galore. Church youth groups running around in herds. The trick will be to keep all those single mom Obama voters from having more. Get tough on food stamps.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 05, 2013 10:17 AM (PH+2B)

125 Eh, I've seen this argument before, and while it has some merit, I think it merely slows down the Left's demographic advantage, rather than turning the tables.
1. Plenty of folks, especially among minorities, may register as religious, but are hardly conservative, even on social issues.
2. The culture and the educational system are thorough and effective in pushing children leftward. Take the massive support among the 18-30 crowd that polls show for gay marriage, these people weren't reasoned into that position after carefully evaluating the arguments, they just absorbed it.

Posted by: Anachronism at April 05, 2013 10:17 AM (yiEC4)

126 Skeptical of this. Abortion has been legal nationwide for over 40 years. Most abortions are performed on liberal women. So you'd think in the past 40 years the demographics would have skewed conservative.

This hypothesis also assumes conservative parents conservative children. My feeling is that there are more kids who rebel against thier conservative parents than there are kids who rebel against liberal parents. So even if cons have more kids, there is a greater conversion among those kids.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 05, 2013 10:18 AM (HDgX3)

127 105 Chris Hayes hates America: But while there are genuinely hard questions on Guantanamo, there are some easy ones too. The dozens of men who have been cleared by the United States government for release should be released immediately, should be paid restitution, and offered legal residence in the United States. How on earth can anyone think like this? Posted by: Â© Sponge at April 05, 2013 02:11 PM (xmcEQ) You ask that when our President threw his first fundraiser in the house of a domestic terrorist?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 05, 2013 10:18 AM (++kZl)

128

I remember in High School how the teacher told us Gen Xers that, due to Boomer demographics, our futures were really bright since that huge cohort will compete for jobs and age out, leaving shitloads of well-paying jobs for us that they'd hand to us for the asking. No McJobs for us, just Fat City, Jack.

Demographers are like Dick Morris.

Posted by: Bigby's Dyke-Plugging Finger at April 05, 2013 10:19 AM (3ZtZW)

129 Even if these demographics come to pass, what difference would it make? Who would they vote for since the deep thinkers in the GOP have decided that religious people are icky and turn off the vast majority of cool hip libertine voters?

And does anyone think there'll still be a viable GOP by then?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2013 10:19 AM (mCvL4)

130

and offered legal residence in the United States.

---

On Chris Hayes' street of course

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 05, 2013 10:20 AM (SO2Q8)

131 You ask that when our President threw his first fundraiser in the house of a domestic terrorist?
Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 05, 2013 02:18 PM (++kZl)

Yes. Because I don't understand the mentality. I don't want to, either.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:20 AM (xmcEQ)

132 if the immigration rate from mehico stays the same in CA, caucasions will be in the minority status by late 2015. When the poor CA Democrats start voting themselves significantly higher percentages of the rich CA Democrats money, its gonna get interesting... ...probably even entertaining.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 05, 2013 10:20 AM (/gHaE)

133 The GOP is not sharia-friendly, yet.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 05, 2013 10:21 AM (QupBk)

134

The chance of the demographic curve trajectory intersecting with an electoral college win for the Republican Party is about the same as a Navy F11 fighter jet shooting itself down with its own 20 mm gun.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 05, 2013 10:21 AM (pxDth)

135

How's this for demographics?

People Not In Labor Force Soar By 663,000 To 90 Million, Labor Force Participation Rate At 1979 Levels

But
I guess that doesn't matter any more because we must be sooooo
enlightened to the left continue its rampage through the country

--- Shit, so we just skipped the 80's and we are now back to the 70's

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 05, 2013 10:21 AM (R8hU8)

136 And does anyone think there'll still be a viable GOP by then?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2013 02:19 PM (mCvL4)

Based on this post from the news thread I doubt if they make it past the next election.

The RNC really does want to lose everything in the next election.

At a meeting of the Ripon Society held in Washington, D.C.'s exclusive Capitol Hill Club on Tuesday, new Republican National Committee Chief of Staff Mike Shields effectively declared war on the conservative grassroots. In a strong attack, Shields coined a new derogatory term, "the professional right," to refer to groups that have publicly criticized the recent RNC "Autopsy" report.

http://is.gd/9ECtfX

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2013 10:21 AM (53z96)

137

I'll add another caveat...

Let's see who is around a generation after mathematics stops all the free shit.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 05, 2013 10:22 AM (AC0lD)

138 It's a feel good piece, no mo no less. We're burning, the cocksucker in chief fiddles as the grand old USA burns, fuck him and his minions

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 05, 2013 10:22 AM (HVff2)

139 Go away, batin.

Posted by: Future Demographics at April 05, 2013 10:22 AM (mi68K)

140 I'm of the mind that this country doesn't have 2020 in it's future.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 05, 2013 10:22 AM (jucos)

141 Its too bad the schools the religiously conservatives are sending their kids are wholly owned subsidiaries of Obama inc.

Posted by: Iblis at April 05, 2013 10:22 AM (U0ndG)

142
I think that the hispanics are more conservative and long-term they could swing GOP...

Posted by: Andrew at April 05, 2013 02:16 PM (HS3dy)

_________

People always say this without any evidence. Hispanics go to church. That doesn't mean they'll vote Republican. The core issue for most voters is economics. Hispanics like a big govt that gives them lots of stuff and that trumps whatever advantage Republicans may have in the social issue category.

AND YES OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE, no need to tell me about how you know a guy named Martinez who hates Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 05, 2013 10:22 AM (HDgX3)

143 I remember in High School how the teacher told us Gen Xers that, due to Boomer demographics, our futures were really bright since that huge cohort will compete for jobs and age out, leaving shitloads of well-paying jobs for us that they'd hand to us for the asking.

Jobs *were* pretty good for Gen Xers until Obama hit (if never as easy as that implies). It's always been much worse for the Gen Y/Millenials/whatever they're called this week.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 05, 2013 10:22 AM (B/VB5)

144 Whites are having less kids, ...

Posted by: Andrew

Fewer.

#ThatThingThatIrritatesTheLivingShitOuttaMe

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 05, 2013 10:22 AM (mN8D3)

145

Today's earworm:

Sharia don't like it,

Rock the Casbah!

Because sharing is caring.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 05, 2013 10:23 AM (BAS5M)

146 132 if the immigration rate from mehico stays the same in CA, caucasions will be in the minority status by late 2015.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 05, 2013 02:20 PM (/gHaE)

________

Whites are already a minority in CA. And in New Mexico too. Nevada and Arizona are probably the next 2 states to fall.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 05, 2013 10:23 AM (HDgX3)

147 and offered legal residence in the United States.
On Chris Hayes' street of course

I'm still sad no one took up my idea for a Hollywood Adopt-a-Detainee program, where protesting celebrities would be given a Gitmo inmate to take into their own guest cottages so they could benefit from diversity.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 05, 2013 10:23 AM (/kI1Q)

148 129 Even if these demographics come to pass, what difference would it make? Who would they vote for since the deep thinkers in the GOP have decided that religious people are icky and turn off the vast majority of cool hip libertine voters?

And does anyone think there'll still be a viable GOP by then?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2013 02:19 PM (mCvL4)

The Democrats will become the family values religion party then. Just like they pivoted immediately to civil rights after 100 years of wanting to bring back slavery when they discovered it got them more power.

Posted by: zmdavid at April 05, 2013 10:23 AM (8mttr)

149 I remember in High School how the teacher told us Gen Xers that, due to Boomer demographics, our futures were really bright since that huge cohort will compete for jobs and age out, No mandatory retirement, so they're hanging on. In my department (academia) we will lose 10 full professors in the next 5 years and gain 1 (me)...assuming I don't run off for a job as a quantitative analyst or get poached (both of which are possible next year). Part of that is due to the fact that our university shits on the math department, but part is the demographic time bomb.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 05, 2013 10:24 AM (T0NGe)

150

If we can't kill them out, we shall breed them out.

Longshanks maddogg

Can we reinstitute Prima Nuptia?

Posted by: maddogg at April 05, 2013 10:24 AM (OlN4e)

151 I believe it and empirically the election evidence is we are closer than most people think.

The situation Obama has created and his resolute failure is there for all to see.

You can cheer-lead for your political party all you want. But when your self interests are being hurt, especially economically, people see the lanscape a bit differently. Many have a tendency to be more honest in their assessments at that point.

That's another point on immigration. Democrats know there policies will not be popular with some of their base. It will cost them a majority. Therefore, they need to replace it with a new generation of dupes.

Posted by: Marcus at April 05, 2013 10:24 AM (VDNo2)

152 The trick will be to keep all those single mom Obama voters from having more. Get tough on food stamps.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 05, 2013 02:17 PM (PH+2B)

-----------------------------------------------------

Earlier this week the Speaker of the House in the OK legislature was on the Glenn Beck tv program. One of the things repub legislators are close to passing is a requirement that anyone getting foodstamps has to work. No work, no food.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 10:24 AM (dzVIa)

153
When the poor CA Democrats start voting themselves significantly higher percentages of the rich CA Democrats money, its gonna get interesting...

...probably even entertaining.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 05, 2013 02:20 PM (/gHaE)

I think something like 150,000 people make up a majority of the tax base.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 05, 2013 10:25 AM (oBhEo)

154 I'm still sad no one took up my idea for a Hollywood Adopt-a-Detainee program, where protesting celebrities would be given a Gitmo inmate to take into their own guest cottages so they could benefit from diversity.

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at April 05, 2013 02:23 PM (/kI1Q)

I guess I missed when you brought that up because THAT'S A PEACE PRIZE fucking brilliant.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:25 AM (xmcEQ)

155 This hypothesis also assumes conservative parents (have) conservative children. Yeah, I agree, that's a lousy assumption. My kids want to show me how far superior in intelligence they are so; Son - libertarian, wrote some name on ballot instead of voting for either Romney or Obama. Daughter - some weird bastard melange of Ron Paulism and Obama give me some free stuff. I thought I 'learned em' better then that.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 05, 2013 10:26 AM (feFL6)

156

new Republican National Committee Chief of Staff Mike Shields effectively declared war on the conservative grassroots. In a strong attack, Shields coined a new derogatory term, "the professional right," to refer to groups that have publicly criticized the recent RNC "Autopsy" report.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2013 02:21 PM (53z96)

*******

If those criticizing the Autopsy Report are the "professional right", does that mean that those running the RNC are "amateurs"?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 05, 2013 10:26 AM (pxDth)

157 From the geniuses at Yahoo:

Nearly 500,000 people quit looking for work in March, bring the percentage of Americans participating in the labor market to the lowest level since 1979.

If you clear away the disappointment, the economy is pretty much right where we left it yesterday. There is a painfully slow recovery and the Fed is going full-bore on stimulus. One month doesn't make a trend, even if the headlines are as ugly as the ones we saw this morning. Of course that's unlikely to be of much solace to the half-million Americans who quit even trying to find jobs last month.

Minus all of the bad news everything is just peachy. I wonder what the reaction would have been if Romney were in the White House

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 05, 2013 10:26 AM (1Jaio)

158 I think that the hispanics are more conservative
and long-term they could swing GOP...

Posted by: Andrew at April 05, 2013 02:16 PM (HS3dy)

_________
People always say this without any evidence. Hispanics go to church. That doesn't mean they'll vote Republican. The core issue for most voters is economics. Hispanics like a big govt that gives them lots of stuff and that trumps whatever advantage Republicans may have in the social issue category.

AND YES OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE, no need to tell me about how you know a guy named Martinez who hates Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 05, 2013 02:22 PM (HDgX3)

--All we need to do is recall that there was an amnesty in '86, and over a quarter century on, where are the electoral fruits the GOP was supposed to be reaping?

Posted by: logprof at April 05, 2013 10:27 AM (+iA5G)

159 I'm of the mind that this country doesn't have 2020 in it's future.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 05, 2013 02:22 PM (jucos)

--- I'm of the same mind, bur there will be a country albeit smaller and very conservative

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 05, 2013 10:27 AM (R8hU8)

160 131 You ask that when our President threw his first fundraiser in the house of a domestic terrorist? Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 05, 2013 02:18 PM (++kZl) Yes. Because I don't understand the mentality. I don't want to, either. Posted by: Â© Sponge at April 05, 2013 02:20 PM (xmcEQ) If you view your country as the bad guy all sorts of things are possible. Just wait to see how fucking insane these bastards get if there is another GOP president again in our lifetime. You aint seen shit. They probably will want to give UAV drones to Iran, ban all the shit that Obama used to prosecute the war on terror, and turn on a dime and want to end all the oversears wars again. It will be glorious to behold the hypocrisy of the true believers. WTF do you think liberals would be doing if Romney was president and saber rattling against nuclear North Korea? They would be holding nuke drills in the streets of San Fran, burning paper machete heads, and saying Romney was a psycho trying to start a nuclear war.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 05, 2013 10:27 AM (++kZl)

161 It's complicated, but it has something to do with how the Dems have gotten more leftist as time has gone on. Reagen Democrats, so to speak, were Dems for decades, and slowly drifted to the GOP. Don't look so much at Presidential numbers, so much as Congressional numbers. Now, what can we learn about Romney here? Well, compare Romney to Bush 04. Romney got less white voters than Bush. The evangelicals came out harder then ever before. It was the "Reagen democrat" types, think blue collar Ohio white males, who didn't bother showing up. Remember those criticisms we made about Romney, about how his messaging sucked, etc? And the establishment crowd told us to STFU? We were 100% right. And it's why Rand is almost inevitable with a populist message of common sense conservativism. The peole that actually decide the election will eat it up.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 05, 2013 10:28 AM (VHSuw)

162 The core issue for most voters is economics. It isn't even economics. Only in the English-speaking world do we even think that way. The rest of the world sees economics as a conspiracy. It's all about Mr. Moneybags who has all of the money and keeps it for himself. So they look for a conspiracy. Who's taking my stuff? Obama's managed to make a lot of people think it's Republicans. Not actual rich liberals like Buffett, Bloomberg, Gates, Soros, etc., etc.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 05, 2013 10:28 AM (T0NGe)

163 Yeah, Hispanics lean conservative. Thats why they vote fucking Democrat. Wake the fuck up people.

Posted by: maddogg at April 05, 2013 10:28 AM (OlN4e)

164 I remember in High School how the teacher told us Gen Xers that, due to Boomer demographics, our futures were really bright...

And there was some truth in that.

In the late 90's if you could operate a computer without drooling on the keyboard, you could pretty much throw your resume in the air and three headhunters would be fighting over it before it hit the ground.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 05, 2013 10:28 AM (SY2Kh)

165 Earlier this week the Speaker of the House in the OK legislature was on the Glenn Beck tv program. One of the things repub legislators are close to passing is a requirement that anyone getting foodstamps has to work. No work, no food.
Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 02:24 PM (dzVIa)

Sorry, but that will fly like a lead balloon. REPUBLICANS HATE THE POOR will fly through the airwaves.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:28 AM (xmcEQ)

166 From the article: As shown by demographer Eric Kaufman of the University of London, religious couples across all cultures are for obvious reasons (including but not limited to abortion) having more children per family than are the secular-irreligious, whose birthrates are below replacement Â— which means a declining population. This is talking about couples. No mention of single motherhood, which is being put on a pedestal, and being rewarded.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 05, 2013 10:30 AM (XYSwB)

167 Except for the smoking hole in the center of the city, Hiroshima is a lovely city in which to work, play, and raise a family. We are all aglow over its future!

Posted by: September 1945 issue of Hiroshima Real Estate Guide at April 05, 2013 10:31 AM (BAS5M)

168 From the geniuses at Yahoo:

Did they forget the "unexpectedly"? I was expecting an unexpectedly.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 05, 2013 10:31 AM (SY2Kh)

169 Yeah, Hispanics lean conservative. Thats why they vote fucking Democrat. Wake the fuck up people.
Posted by: maddogg at April 05, 2013 02:28 PM (OlN4e)

Just like they're heavily Catholic.

Jesus in the back window of their lowered pickup truck as they commit a drive by shooting for MS13.......

Posted by: © Sponge at April 05, 2013 10:31 AM (xmcEQ)

170 Sorry, but that will fly like a lead balloon. REPUBLICANS HATE THE POOR will fly through the airwaves.

Posted by: Â© Sponge at April 05, 2013 02:28 PM (xmcEQ)

----------------------------------------------

This is OK. We really don't give a shit what other people, especially people that live in blue/squish states, think.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 10:33 AM (dzVIa)

171 At a meeting of the Ripon Society held in Washington, D.C.'s exclusive Capitol Hill Club on Tuesday, new Republican National Committee Chief of Staff Mike Shields effectively declared war on the conservative grassroots. In a strong attack, Shields coined a new derogatory term, "the professional right," to refer to groups that have publicly criticized the recent RNC "Autopsy" report.

http://is.gd/9ECtfX

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2013 02:21 PM

Oh boy, the red states turn purple or blue without any gains in the blue states

Fuckin' geniuses I tells ya

Posted by: kbdabear at April 05, 2013 10:34 AM (mCvL4)

172 JDP, When home schooling is used, children grow up normally, aren't brainwashed, don't have bad emotional health, and vote properly. Btw, over 2 million kids being home schooled this year. Home schooling wrecks liberalism. Artisinal Ette, Single motherhood, as a cohort, is almost always well below replacement rates.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 05, 2013 10:35 AM (pQXbd)

173 from the piece: That weapon is illegal immigration. As the population trends move steadily conservative, the liberals must bring into the country and enfranchise new voters who will reliably cast Democratic ballots. this reminds me of quebec more and more folks are opting for speaking english (way more opportunities) versus french, therefore they are importing in people from such regions like africa, but, as a result, these are culture clashing folks, because many are muslim. importing people for the sake of an ideology/votes can only conclude in failure there's too much of a disconnect in other areas

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 05, 2013 10:35 AM (XYSwB)

174 I think my socialists v. Muslims dystopic future is what they mean. "Conservative" is used to describe Muslims whenever social issues come up. By 2020 many European schools will be majority Muslim. Should be interesting. Based on immigration here, same deal but longer.

Posted by: Beagle at April 05, 2013 10:35 AM (sOtz/)

175

Also known as Reagan Democrats or "The Swing Vote"

(particularly the white Catholic portion.)

Posted by: tasker at April 05, 2013 02:13 PM (r2PLg)

As a Protestant and thus on the outside looking in, I simply can't/don't understand how Catholics can politically align themselves with a political party that is--as of this writing--essentially advocating infanticide. Not just abortion, mind you, but 'post-abortion' disposal of a viable, living, breathing baby who has somehow managed to survive the initial abortion procedure. President Obama's vote on the issue is on the Illinois legislative record. Personally, I don't know how, if I was Catholic, I could rationalize and reconcile the tenets of my faith with the platform of my party. I'm simply not capable of that kind of compartmentalization.

Posted by: troyriser at April 05, 2013 10:35 AM (vtiE6)

176 If the right grassroots was serious, we would demand Mike Shields head on a platter.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 05, 2013 10:36 AM (pQXbd)

177 "People always say this without any evidence. Hispanics go to church. That doesn't mean they'll vote Republican. The core issue for most voters is economics. Hispanics like a big govt that gives them lots of stuff and that trumps whatever advantage Republicans may have in the social issue category." My evidence is being from Central/South Texas and being surrounded by more brown than white. They wear cowboy hats. They hunt. They hoard guns and ammo. They go to church. They work their asses off. They have great families. The ones I know are conservative in every traditional political sense of the word and in every modern social sense of the word. But but but, where it goes out the window is there is also a very large quantity of the poor-liberal-babymaking-give-me-hand-outs-while-I-buy-spinning-rims types of hispanics also. But it's different than the black culture. I don't meant to sound racist, but let's be honest, we have some huge culture issues to combat with. Black population has a culture that seems to be digressing and one that at its core is rooted in a deep laziness that perpetuates. The hispanic culture has these elements, but overall their families seem to head in a direction that moves away from this... until the democrats get their hands on them. Look at how many recent hispanic rising stars we see in the conservative movement. Dozens of them actually serving in office now in house and senate. Blacks have been in our country a lot longer but how many conservative blacks do you see in elected government? Was Alan West the only guy? There was that black girl from UT who didn't get elected in Salt Lake where the gays have taken over. I'm just saying. People want to wrap the hispanic culture in with the blacks and assume same outcome, I disagree. I think there is more opportunity to save them and they will turn away from the dark side a lot faster.

Posted by: Andrew at April 05, 2013 10:36 AM (HS3dy)

178 Didn't Leno call illegal immigrants "unregistered democrats"? That was a humorous jab at the dems, and its not really true. Ace or someone ripped the concept of people immigrating for economic reasons being our natural allies. I disagree with that analysis, to put it mildly, but I'm deep in the middle of work projects or I'd put more time in to respond. For this case, the demographics favoring the socons ... god help us. I do not want a state legislating (im)morality. Because that worked out, oh-so-well, with prohibition and other examples. The state and the legislature is not the correct battleground for winning over more people by alienating them (gays, undocumented people, ...). Using, and abusing, state shared resources in order to impose a particular nanny-state moralistic world view is a very bad idea. Undocumented folks are here. Best to get em paying taxes like the rest of us, and let that natural regulation kick in. Toss out any whom refuse the documentation and tax paying process. Impose fines proportional to the amount of taxes plus interest that they've been here, earning money, and not paying taxes. Impose fines on employers for hiring them below minimum wage equal to the amount that they underpaid their workers. Disallow them collecting unemployment or similar benefits until they have satisfied the other conditions. The interesting effect of having so many new workers here is that the minimum wage will be under pressure to decrease ... those damned market forces at work. Doing any of this, is infinitely preferable to the alternative. But this gets back to one of the many massive failures the GOP had this last go around. The first was ever nominating socons. The second was not controlling the messaging, and getting it out there. Allowing the irretrievably malevolent media to define the message. To be stuck on the defensive over stupid stupid things (again, see point 1). Immigrants coming to the US, legally or otherwise, in order to take a risk for financial gain is most assuredly my ally, as a fiscal conservative. They've taken the same risks I have, know the value of their money, and don't want much taken by the taxing regimes. Now if we could just completely muzzle the brain trust wannabees who seem intent upon punishing them ... we might just start winning them back over. Ace or someone opined our problem was not messaging, but delivery. No, it was both. Delivery was god aweful. Messages were incoherent, often including socon inanities coupled to pro-growth fiscal conservatism. GOP has a long way to go to get someone like me contributing back to it. I'm a small government fiscal conservative married to a 2nd generation American woman of Mexican descent. Whom is as small government fiscal conservative as they come. As is her family. Whose great grandparents were likely illegals from Mexico. Yeah, they are our natural allies. So, like, lets not keep abusing them. I don't know where people whom claim they aren't our allies are getting their info from. I get mine from my inlaw's mouths/actions.

Posted by: Joe in MI at April 05, 2013 10:37 AM (AnDVn)

179 Nearly 500,000 people quit looking for work in March Dope farming, health care fraud, working off the books, etc are all booming. The underground/criminal economy is a growth industry.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 05, 2013 10:38 AM (/gHaE)

180 Troy, In short, there has been a civil war in Catholicism for 50 years.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 05, 2013 10:39 AM (pQXbd)

181
This is OK. We really don't give a shit what other people, especially people that live in blue/squish states, think.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 02:33 PM (dzVIa)

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Yeah but a federal judge outside of OK will probably rule against such a measure.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 05, 2013 10:39 AM (HDgX3)

182 I do not want a state legislating (im)morality Don't worry, the collapse will come before the theocracy.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 05, 2013 10:41 AM (/gHaE)

183 Why do you think the secular progressives have infested the public school system? Liberals are all to happy to leave the breeding up to others when they control the "education system" most of these kids will go to K-12 + College.

Posted by: gwelf at April 05, 2013 10:42 AM (+7Usq)

184 There has been a huge scandal recently in Britain. Documents are leaked from the Blair era that were explicit about the plan, "let's bring in hordes of immigrants and get them hooked on welfare so we can get permanent political power." It's caused a big backlash.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 05, 2013 10:42 AM (pQXbd)

185 Do moby's actually think a bunch of swing voters will read their shit droppings in the Ace of Spades comment section and go "OMG look a conservative is racist I will never ever vote for a Republican again!"? I mean seriously guys go moby on yahoo or the washington post comment sections you would be better off.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 05, 2013 10:42 AM (++kZl)

186 Posted by: Andrew at April 05, 2013 02:36 PM (HS3dy)

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Romney lost the Hispanic vote 70-30. Yes there are **SOME** conservative Hispanics. And 30% of tens of millions of people is a big number in and of itself. But the number of libtard Hispanics is twice as big. That's the problem.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 05, 2013 10:42 AM (HDgX3)

187 Joe in MI in theory some of your ideas are acceptable however the black robe bastards would never rule against freebies for the illegals, see resident tution for ilegals

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 05, 2013 10:43 AM (HVff2)

188 Yeah but a federal judge outside of OK will probably rule against such a measure.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 05, 2013 02:39 PM (HDgX3)

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We'll see. But at least we're trying. We might just tell an outside fed judge to fuck off.

btw. What's your fucking state doing about this. Anything? No? That's what I thought.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 10:45 AM (dzVIa)

189 Yeah, they are our natural allies. So, like, lets not keep abusing them.

I don't know where people whom claim they aren't our allies are getting their info from. I get mine from my inlaw's mouths/actions.

Posted by: Joe in MI at April 05, 2013 02:37 PM (AnDVn)

--They got amnesty in 1986.

Where, pray tell, has been the payoff for that?

(I see lots of *negative* payoff, but that does not count.)

Posted by: logprof at April 05, 2013 10:45 AM (+iA5G)

190 We'll see. But at least we're trying. We might just tell an outside fed judge to fuck off.

btw. What's your fucking state doing about this. Anything? No? That's what I thought.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2013 02:45 PM (dzVIa)

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Dude, I agree with making welfare people work. Don't bite my head off. But I know that this type of thing never is upheld by courts.

What's my state doing about this? Uhmmm...I live in WA state. Need I go on?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 05, 2013 10:48 AM (HDgX3)

191 By the time that the scaled could be tipped, it will already be too late. The left, via media, entertainment, and news, will have warped many of those children. Liberty will have already been lost... and once lost it will be difficult to regain. Still, the religious and hardcore social conservatives tend to reproduce above the 2.1 children necissary to prevent a demographic death spiral. Even Mexicans have seen their fertility rate drop from 7 to below 3. It will soon fall further. Considering that children of immigrants will tend to have fewer children than their parents, only by annexing all of Mexico will the Democrats be able to keep the immigration thing going to help them. Of course, by then, it'll be too late.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 05, 2013 10:49 AM (XvHmy)

192

Posted by: Joe in MI at April 05, 2013 02:37 PM (AnDVn)

That 'socon' pejorative is wearing me out. You're aware most liberal policies are driven from a social issues perspective, right? Call it a moral perspective if you like or even a cultural perspective if it makes you feel better--all of it is encompassed by the umbrella term 'social justice'. Here's the thing about 'social justice': it's an essentially redistributive political philosophy but that philosophy is grounded in irrefutably moral, cultural and social assumptions. By refusing to engage the underlying 'social justice' aspects and coming at them from a purely economic point-of-view, you automatically concede the validity of those assumptions. By doing so, you lose. You will always eventually lose.

Posted by: troyriser at April 05, 2013 10:50 AM (vtiE6)

193 @189, Don't get me wrong, totally against amnesty. I'm just academically discussing the future. Like I said, we're screwed no matter what. I'm totally convinced it's a matter of if, but when, doom is coming. But I think when we rise from the ashes hispanics will be in the trenches with us. I think blacks will be too, but they have a much larger cultural hurdle to overcome.

Posted by: Andrew at April 05, 2013 10:57 AM (HS3dy)

194 "That 'socon' pejorative is wearing me out" The after effects of dealing with implosions caused by not addressing the problem has worn me out. You are either conservative or you are not. If you advocate/support/don't object to government intrusion into hoo-haas, bedrooms, (insert a big long list of shit the government has no business being in), then you are not a conservative. If you start out a line with "the government should make this thing I dislike illegal" then you are most definitely not a conservative. A conservative is a small government, limited federal powers person. Fiscal conservatism is this plus reigning in spending to the minimum required to function, and no more. A socon thinks they are conservative, but they want to ADD powers to the goverment to prevent people from exercising their pursuit of happiness. Which is fundamentally at odds with what a conservative is.

Posted by: Joe in MI at April 05, 2013 11:03 AM (3R8wQ)

195 "Like I said, we're screwed no matter what. I'm totally convinced it's a matter of if, but when, doom is coming."
Yes, this is true.

"But I think when we rise from the ashes hispanics will be in the trenches with us. I think blacks will be too, but they have a much larger cultural hurdle to overcome."
No, this isn't true. Once a member of the FSA, always a member of the FSA.
They have nowhere else to go.

Posted by: RayJ at April 05, 2013 11:04 AM (pI/IV)

196

Where do hear aboput the liberal demographic dominance? From the MSM.

You know, the same people who keep progressive failings under the rug and air out any conservative failings; the same people who are loudly insisting that the GOP is deader than Ceasar and that you ought to believe them. Those people.

Funny the way that works out, eh?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 05, 2013 11:06 AM (hLRSq)

197

Wow. Reading the comments is so revealing. I just love the despair that all of the staunch conservative and libertarians are putting forth. It's almost as if they believe the MSM when it says resistance is futile.

sarc/

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 05, 2013 11:14 AM (hLRSq)

198 Even if conservatives "outbreed" librals, what's to stop that newly minted crop from becoming liberals in a public school system that's an indoctrination machine for liberal thinking?

Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at April 05, 2013 11:14 AM (D8pR3)

199

DOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!

Resistance is Futile. Remember that.

sarc/

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 05, 2013 11:29 AM (hLRSq)

200 Um, Joe I think you are confusing Libertarians and Conservatives. They ain't the same, they don't want the same end result, they don't even approach the problems the same way.

A conservative has no problem with government having a moral code and enforcing it, most are of course Federalists and want the State and local governments doing the moralizing vs the FedGov.

Libertarians want no moral code and not much else in the government at any level but few of them have a coherent set of political OR moral beliefs so there is that. And if you find one that does no other Libertarian shares it. Libertarianism is an unfinished philosophy, kinda like modern physics. I agree with Libertarians in the general thrust, that more liberty is good, less government is almost always better than more, etc. But just like the physics world intuits there IS an all explaining Law joining all of the forces of nature, the details elude them for now.

Posted by: John Morris at April 05, 2013 11:35 AM (YhRJW)

201 The two biggest constants about demographics is that things change (especially rates of change) and that you never have all the relevant information. It's not useless but it's like one of those ancient oracles that tells you something vague, you go off thinking they ment one thing and find out the truth in hindsight. Demographics tells us things like "white people will be a minority in some place at some time" and it is right... except for the fact that a majority of "non-white" people in the analysis identify as white, look white and are treated by others as white. "X religion will dominate" true... but most of that "X religion" will be converted to "Y" or become athiest and such. Demographics may be destiny but they don't divine destiny--at least, not very well.

Posted by: Snake Oil Baron at April 05, 2013 11:43 AM (RKeHi)

202 Speaking of demographics, has anyone determined if the immigration of Mexicans to the US, which fell to net negative during the economic cataclysm, has gone back to positive yet? Given the state of unemployment and such, I would be surprised if it had but if it did, I would not expect elite-stream media to mention it.

Posted by: Snake Oil Baron at April 05, 2013 11:48 AM (RKeHi)

203 This flies against what I like to call the "Footloose Effect"! It is assuming that children of religious parents will grow up to be conservative like their parents, and everyone knows that John Lithgow just isn't cool!

Posted by: OxyCon at April 05, 2013 11:57 AM (EbMxL)

204 I actually think there's some merit to the argument. Clearly, whites have become more and more "Republican", the Democrat Party used to actually be the Party of the white working class. That's long gone.

I know in terms of anecdotes, my liberal friends almost never have kids, while my conservative ones usually have big families. Arthur Brooks had a convincing article The Fertility Gap that there would be a coming wave of Republican domination.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, but I see a lot more broken homes with kids on the dole than I do big "Christian" families. Still, when a big family has kids that have big families, the compounding adds up.

The math that you'll never be able to convince me on though is that some sort of Amnesty deal is going to net votes for the GOP. I'm amazed so conservatives fall for it.

Posted by: McAdams at April 05, 2013 02:16 PM (IZjA3)

205 Translation: "Please, pretty please, give me a reason to keep carrying water for Rubio."

Posted by: MlR at April 05, 2013 04:46 PM (vR2l5)

206 the titanic did not sink because it hit an iceberg. It sank because they could not stop the water from coming in. The illegals coming in are the water and the republicans are the titanic. Never again a republican will be elected president.

Posted by: pd at April 05, 2013 07:43 PM (8csr5)

207 119 We are beyond issues of liberal vs. conservative. Define conservative, define liberal. When I look at the GOP I just don't see conservatism in the way that I understand it to be. I mean we're arguing about relatively slight differences to issues that aren't conservative to begin with. We push back and forth on what should be contained in public school curriculum when we shouldn't even be having this conversation to begin with and instead should be talking about doing away with the Dept of Education altogether. - It's not only what's discussed, but what's off the table. Affirmative action, the systematic enforcement of an anti-white ideology through employment discrimination, is off the table. Both parties are for it. (Republicans, amazingly, get the votes of the people who are hurt most by it, while never actually doing anything for them. Then again, they don't actually do anything to overturn Roe v. Wade either.) Mass immigration plus forced integration is white genocide. If you let in the world (and 90% of this mass immigration is non-white), talking about how white women should have more babies is irrelevant; millions of working class white American women can't compete with billions of non-whites who would like to live in America. The implication is that whites will go into a minority - soon! - and inevitably cease to exist as a distinct group over time. To put it mildly, that's contrary to the interests of whites. But that's fine by politicians who don't care about the interests of white people. If you point these facts out, and you're a leftist columnist and you're gloating and approving, that's fine. Everybody knows this is true, and liberals love it. If you say the same things in a disapproving tone, that means you are a racist, a bigot, and a conspiracy theorist. But it's the same reality you are pointing to. And "both sides" in the culture war agree with that agenda, and that lop-sided taboo on discussing it. Nobody is representing the interests of working class white people at all. So when the traditional American nation is being wiped away by government policy, and "everybody" agrees with that and won't tolerate dissent, where is the center? When everybody knows that mass immigration and forced integration, that is the compulsory "browning of America" means permanent socialist majorities, everybody who doesn't oppose it is really in favor of conservatives losing on every issue, from abortion to property rights. There are no meaningful long term victories if you let liberals stack the electorate, which is what they are doing. The GOP is fine with this. So basically the GOP has sold out on everything. It's a bunch of people who are making money in the political game, but with no real beliefs that they want to prevail in the long run. It would be nice if there was a real good guy team to cheer for. I'd like that.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 06, 2013 12:14 AM (NH/xU)

208 / rant. Back on topic: no the long term demographic trends do not favor the GOP. That's why liberals engineered these trends the way they have. There is nothing natural about stuff like California turning brown and solidly liberal. Liberals are doing it.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 06, 2013 12:18 AM (NH/xU)

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