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June 06, 2013

Yup, Verizon's Not the Only One; All Other Phone Records Seized, Too
— Ace

You had to expect this to be the case, but here's your confirmation.

Â“ItÂ’s the largest database ever assembled in the world,Â” said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSAÂ’s activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agencyÂ’s goal is Â“to create a database of every call ever madeÂ” within the nationÂ’s borders, this person added.

The Right Scoop... has just alerted everyone that he didn't check the date, and of course I didn't either. (Dates are for p*ssies.)

But the story is still true. Still, of course, it adds some political context -- this isn't all Obama, of course. Though Obama was the one who vowed this would not happen under his watch, and ran against Bush for believing he could "enhance our security" by "restricting our liberties."

Furthermore, it appears the point-- that it's not just Verizon, it's all phone companies -- is quite true.

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1 Uh, is there even enough storage on the planet for that?

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 09:57 AM (RD7QR)

2 What could go wrong?

Posted by: Andy at June 06, 2013 09:57 AM (QvNHR)

3 Sons of bitches.

Posted by: bound4er at June 06, 2013 09:57 AM (15uYR)

4 All your phone calls are belong to us

Posted by: NSA at June 06, 2013 09:57 AM (/jHWN)

5 >> Uh, is there even enough storage on the planet for that? Sure there is. They don't have audio, just metadata.

Posted by: Andy at June 06, 2013 09:58 AM (QvNHR)

6 Although I imagine they could do like hackers and park stuff on people's hard drives without their knowledge. We could even now have the cell phone messages of hot supermodels on our machines and not realize it.

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 09:58 AM (RD7QR)

7 And again, I will ask, when do we stand up and say that our consent is withdrawn?

Posted by: LibertarianJim (#teamletitburn) at June 06, 2013 09:58 AM (CMbMd)

8 Uh, is there even enough storage on the planet for that? ...what did you think that shiny new facility in Utah was for...?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, channeling Grumpycat at June 06, 2013 09:58 AM (zUi7I)

9 Uh, is there even enough storage on the planet for that?

Ever wonder what Google does with all those server farms they've been building?

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)

10 1 Uh, is there even enough storage on the planet for that? --- Why do you think they just created a giant new facility in Utah?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 06, 2013 09:58 AM (zA7Zp)

11 The Ministerium fÃ¼r Staatssicherheit would cream their jeans, if they had jeans.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 06, 2013 09:58 AM (ZKzrr)

12 Metadata.... yesterdays Prancercise

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 09:59 AM (/jHWN)

13 If you were a terrorist, wouldn't you use a throwaway phone?

Posted by: E. Holder at June 06, 2013 09:59 AM (dHIHO)

14 Good thing they built that giant storage facility in Utah.

Posted by: Brenden at June 06, 2013 09:59 AM (wa+SP)

15 And again, I will ask, when do we stand up and say that our consent is withdrawn? At this point, it's that awkward stage of waiting for someone to break the ice and be the first pebble to roll, I suppose...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, channeling Grumpycat at June 06, 2013 09:59 AM (zUi7I)

16 think this thing might come in handy during a period of civil unrest?

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at June 06, 2013 09:59 AM (HEa5q)

17 this might just be one of the few times where I and the ACLU might agree. has anyone heard a peep out of them concerning this?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2013 09:59 AM (vZ43p)

18 Called it. But another unanswered question is why we need all of this communications data. Necessary? The President said the war is over. Effective? Just think how many more would have been killed and maimed in Boston without it. Obviously a great tool wisely used.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 06, 2013 10:00 AM (qwK3S)

19 >> Sure there is. They don't have audio, just metadata. That we know of, I mean. Fuck, they might have the audio too for all we really know.

Posted by: Andy at June 06, 2013 10:00 AM (QvNHR)

20 I repeat.... 1984 WAS NOT A FUCKING INSTRUCTION MANUAL

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 06, 2013 10:00 AM (da5Wo)

21 Hey legal beagles. Class action civil rights violation lawsuits. The time has come.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 06, 2013 10:01 AM (qwK3S)

22 The President said the war is over. The war against us has only begun.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 10:01 AM (FcR7P)

23 I remember very clearly in 2007 how candidate Obama argued that we must increase and magnify President Bush's NSA wiretapping. I think it was the cornerstone of his campaign. "A Wiretap in every Kitchen"

Posted by: Shtetl G at June 06, 2013 10:01 AM (dlzlR)

24 I feel safer already.

Posted by: Cicero Kid's next post will be in smoke-signal at June 06, 2013 10:01 AM (jz0+s)

25 But another unanswered question is why we need all of this communications data.

The IRS (and DHS) persecutions of Romney donors and tea party groups might provide a clue.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (ZKzrr)

26 So that whole "unwarranted search and seizure" thing is just out the window now? Okay. Wow, I must have been asleep for that Constitutional convention, eh?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (4df7R)

27
Well, I'll be damned.

Maxine Waters was right.

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (a9L+B)

@18

That's a great point. Obama has been claiming terror is just about finished as he ramps up surveillance of EVERYONE! (Imagine Gary Oldham screaming that).

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (sOtz/)

29 1 Uh, is there even enough storage on the planet for that?

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 01:57 PM (RD7QR)

Why, yes. Yes, there is. Fox showed this huuuuge facility in Utah, I believe. Catherine Herridge and her crew were not allowed to enter it, so they hired a helicopter to observe it from the air.

It is unbelievably huge, and I can't remember the enormous amount of data it can store on each and every one of us.

Brave new world.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (lVPtV)

Goddammit Lucious!

I told you I wanted to have the best database of cell phone calls. What is this shit? First, you fuck everything up and we look like pikers, and then you threaten to quit over our little database when these government pencil pushers are busy combing through my 1-900 calls. What the hell am I paying you for?

Posted by: Batman at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (t06LC)

31 wtf?

The only adequate response from any elected congresscritter is to demand an immediate destruction of this data.

Posted by: Serious Cat at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (UypUQ)

32 Here's my question; why the separate subpoena for James Rosen and the AP? They apparently already have the records.

Posted by: Marcus at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (GGCsk)

33 Wasn't the gathering of metadata only supposed to be for calls going out to certain designated foreign countries or entities? Is this a case of that, or is it ALL metadata for ALL calls, foreign and domestic? The Bushies did the first, and got yelled at for it, IIRC.

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 10:02 AM (RD7QR)

34 Ever wonder what Google does with all those server farms they've been building? And have you ever noticed how they keep building and yet your email capacity stopped going up years ago? (Remember? There used to a little counter going up as your capacity increased several bytes per second)

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 10:03 AM (FcR7P)

35

What about the judge who signed off on this? Is there a provision to impeach federal judges? This seems so outside the bounds of the law, that it should not go unpunished. Anybody know how this works; what is possible?

Posted by: dan-O at June 06, 2013 10:03 AM (D0bIN)

36 Or Oldman, geez. Gary Oldman in the Professional since I completely booted his name.

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 10:03 AM (sOtz/)

37 gotta stop calling those 900 numbers...shit

Posted by: notachanceinhell at June 06, 2013 10:03 AM (jJA/4)

38 So when I heard the little voice in my ear the other day urging me to order an extra gay hooker as I spoke with my pimp on the phone, wasn't a fluke?

Posted by: Barney Frank at June 06, 2013 10:03 AM (GrtrJ)

39 I think there is a tap in my ... y' know.

Posted by: Ashley Judd at June 06, 2013 10:03 AM (h0/aL)

40 If I'm sending this from my phone then NSA knows huh? Well hell.... bite my ass fed boy.

Posted by: hobbes at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (qCM5Q)

41 And they said SHaft was a bad muthaFucka!

Posted by: ina_galship at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (o6B4x)

42 Why, yes. Yes, there is. Fox showed this huuuuge facility in Utah, I believe. Catherine Herridge and her crew were not allowed to enter it, so they hired a helicopter to observe it from the air.
It is unbelievably huge, and I can't remember the enormous amount of data it can store on each and every one of us.

So that's where it went.

Posted by: Harold Finch at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (GQ8sn)

43 Well, just what the hell did you think Fundamental Transformation was going to look like?

Posted by: LGoPs at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (Zid/C)

44 "The Cloud" never promised a silver lining.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (ndlFj)

45 Obama is such a clean, well spoken $*&

#.... what has the racist GOP have to hide anyways?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (/jHWN)

46 And people thought the TSA screening was intrusive...

Posted by: Marcus at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (GGCsk)

47 Eric Holder wants to be "Evil Mustacheoed Tony Almeda" from 24. In reality, he is just Milo, the douchebage.

Posted by: wooga at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (EBeyW)

48 I'm impressed

Posted by: V Putin at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (vZ43p)

Remember in "The Dark Knight," when Morgan Freeman gets all pissed off at Bruce Wayne because BW had created a machine that could "listen in" on the phone calls of everyone in Gotham, so that he could zero in on the Joker's location? And BW told MF that he wanted it destroyed as soon as the mission was over, because no one should have that kind of power? And remember how the left was all, "Yeah! Fuck you, Bush!" and cheered about it?

Good times.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (4df7R)

50 What are you guys bitching about? It's a tax I tell you, a fucking tax! It's not like its your fucking DNA or precious bodily fluids or other chattel.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (qwK3S)

51 My God.

Posted by: MostlyRight at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (w9AQ4)

52 25 But another unanswered question is why we need all of this communications data. The IRS (and DHS) persecutions of Romney donors and tea party groups might provide a clue. --- Hence the warnings by people to leave their phones a ways away from the IRS offices before attending protests a few weeks back.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 06, 2013 10:04 AM (zA7Zp)

53 They're tappin so much shit I had to make sure my dog's ass wasn't bleeding.

Posted by: ina_galship at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (o6B4x)

54 >> this might just be one of the few times where I and the ACLU might agree. has anyone heard a peep out of them concerning this? Yes, they were out against it quickly last night. http://goo.gl/cBZ4m

Posted by: Andy at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (QvNHR)

55 I bet GOOGLE is sending its data to the SCOAMF's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (+98Gb)

56 Color me shocked!

Seriously, though, has the ACLU or any other privacy rights organization gotten upset about this yet?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (jvnuj)

57 Expect it? I knew it months ago!

Posted by: Kirk at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (GBnWt)

58

By the way, the federal judge who signed off on this is the same judge whom ruled Obamacare unconstitutional (and was later overturned by the Supreme Court). At least the judge for the Verizon numbers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Vinson

Posted by: dan-O at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (D0bIN)

59 Breaking news from 2006? Ace you really got to start looking at the dates of articles

Posted by: Timin203 at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (5WxMt)

60 The only reason for this is to harm us.

Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (tyDFN)

61 27 Well, I'll be damned. Maxine Waters was right. --- Broken clocks and all.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 06, 2013 10:05 AM (zA7Zp)

62 Remember in "The Dark Knight," when Morgan Freeman gets all pissed off at Bruce Wayne because BW had created a machine that could "listen in" on the phone calls of everyone in Gotham, so that he could zero in on the Joker's location? And BW told MF that he wanted it destroyed as soon as the mission was over, because no one should have that kind of power? And remember how the left was all, "Yeah! Fuck you, Bush!" and cheered about it?

Ah yes, the sonar-phone. Lucius Fox threatened to quit on the spot if Batman didn't shut it down.

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (GQ8sn)

63 "It's the network."

Posted by: Marcus at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (GGCsk)

64 53 They're tappin so much shit I had to make sure my dog's ass wasn't bleeding.

Posted by: ina_galship at June 06, 2013 02:05 PM (o6B4x)

Thread winnah!

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (RD7QR)

65 You lie, boy! I got the tapes right here...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (+98Gb)

66 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (/PCJa)

67 I clicked on over to the USA today column on which the link is based. Though the expansion of the program took place under Obama, the article never mentions him, but has two pictures of Bush and his name is mentioned 13 times on the page.

Posted by: Seattle Chris at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (lWTGt)

68 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (/PCJa)

69 Sure there is. They don't have audio, just metadata. BTW, I think "metadata" can easily be used to find out if it's likely that, say, an inconvenient CIA director is cheating on his wife.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (T0NGe)

70 The only thing Orwell got wrong was the date.

Posted by: MostlyRight at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (w9AQ4)

@49

Nope. I don't recall that episode. Never happened.

I also don't recall creating a functional experimental nuke in the middle of a populated city.

Posted by: Batman at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (t06LC)

72 There was a bill, believe it or not... it's funny now... but the NSA originally planned to build their data storage facility on Guam.. he heheh.. Well I just laughed and pointed out the obvious.. yeah... it would of tipped right the fuck over as soon as it was built. Idiots... I tell ya..

Posted by: Congressman Hank Johnson at June 06, 2013 10:06 AM (/jHWN)

73 Fu*k you Zuckerberg and all the rest. You'll be my bitches!

Posted by: RWC - Tin Can Telephone, LLC at June 06, 2013 10:07 AM (fWAjv)

74 We are all rayciss now.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 06, 2013 10:07 AM (ovWeo)

75 Now now, people. This is just the real mormons, not like those Romney types, adding a few names and numbers to their Utah database.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at June 06, 2013 10:07 AM (2iU3x)

76 "This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:07 AM (+98Gb)

77 The National government has just admitted that it is specifically attempting to spy on every US Citizen. Let that sink in for a moment. Their goal is to spy on Every. US. Citizen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:07 AM (/PCJa)

78 Is there a provision to impeach federal judges?

Yes. Then, once disgraced, they go into exile in the U.S. Congress.

http://tinyurl.com/msftdd8

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 06, 2013 10:07 AM (8ZskC)

79
Maxine Waters and Obama's enormous secret database, with everything on everyone: http://tinyurl.com/baol3ce

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 06, 2013 10:07 AM (a9L+B)

80 And it's only Thursday. What in the world are they going to try to sweep under the rug on the Friday News Dump?

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 10:07 AM (FcR7P)

81 If they'd lock up the charity/political phone solicitors that would clear a lot of chaff.

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2013 10:08 AM (Sg0G/)

82 >> this might just be one of the few times where I and the ACLU might agree. has anyone heard a peep out of them concerning this? Yes, they were out against it quickly last night. I consider this a case of the Boy Who Cried Civil Liberties Violations.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 10:08 AM (T0NGe)

83 Flas alarm my dogs ass is OK and that article linked to by right scoop is from 2006 like tim dude said above

Posted by: ina_galship at June 06, 2013 10:08 AM (o6B4x)

84 About all Obama needs now is a civilian security force that rivals the Defense Department. With drones and stuff.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 06, 2013 10:08 AM (Zid/C)

85 Wouldn't it be a gas if everyone would make 20 or 30 extra short local calls every day. That might crash even the Utah facility.

Posted by: Not Telling at June 06, 2013 10:08 AM (m9LlY)

86 Read this article at Wired: http://tinyurl.com/7lpugye It's called the Utah Data Center and it's the NSA "cloud" for storing all of their interceptions. It's chilling shit people.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 10:08 AM (V1ZIU)

In the months following 9-11 we routinely had mail from the Philippines opened by Homeland Security.

Posted by: Cicero Kid's next post will be in smoke-signal at June 06, 2013 10:08 AM (jz0+s)

88 Ok New Jersey morons, who is your attorney general? Your Gov. appointed AG to Senate seat.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at June 06, 2013 10:09 AM (X+nFp)

89 this might just be one of the few times where I and the ACLU might agree. has anyone heard a peep out of them concerning this? Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2013 01:59 PM (vZ43p) Yes. The ACLU has called it beyond Orwellian. If it's all calls made, it's landlines too.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 10:09 AM (VtjlW)

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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:09 AM (+98Gb)

91 Burn
Scatter
Salt

and a dash of fission

Posted by: Tuco at June 06, 2013 10:09 AM (Pr6hk)

92 We all be screwed. Soon there will be Wilsonian laws invading private conversations in your house. Or something.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (baL2B)

93 Ok, so which is it? The IRS is the Stazi or the NSA? Or is it ok to make bumper stickers with both? Geesh.. time to get out The Lives of Others again and watch for our future... except it has a happy ending... we've just started ours....

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (/jHWN)

@83

Bingo.

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (sOtz/)

95 It's almost as if some fucking pervert's obsession with collecting busty lesbian porn got out of hand on a federal level. Dudes, enough.

Posted by: Fritz at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (UzPAd)

96 I guess going after the AP was a bad idea afterall, huh?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (CRyse)

97 They be wiretappin' everybodies!

he's climbin in your windows
he's snatchin your people up
trying to wiretap em so y'all need to
hide your kids, hide your wife
hide your kids, hide your wife
hide your kids, hide your wife
and hide your husband
cuz they're wiretappin' errbody out here

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (oY6Yp)

98 I'm confused. If the USAToday article is from 2006, what is the current controversy?

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (RD7QR)

99 Is it safe to consider use of the "r-word" and by r-word I mean rapunzel...

Posted by: Nate at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (BBlzg)

100 ...and it's totally kosher for the cops to take your DNA in a routine traffic stop.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (+98Gb)

101 This kind of thing can end in only 3 ways. 1) The current regime can be removed- Obama impeached, Holder impeached, the whole shebang. 2) The American people can acquiesce and we can just formally become the USSA. 3) Blood. Those are the only options.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (/PCJa)

102 Over at Politico there is a guy there who is usually full on TFG drone. Today he commented: This is your moment of truth, Democrats. Your Barry Goldwater moment. You voted him in, and now youre going to try and rationalize this latest encroachment on our privacy and our freedom? You dont even pause to wonder what's going to be leaked to the media next week? Not even a little bit curious? You should be, because it never ends with this guy. Clean up your mess. Abandon this guy the way he abandoned you. ------ Not sure if trolling or serious.

Posted by: RWC - Tin Can Telephone, LLC at June 06, 2013 10:10 AM (fWAjv)

103 The NSA also has built computers to crack encryptions that operate in the pentaflop range...and they're looking to build ones that operate at much higher levels. Serious you guys we live in a police state.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 10:11 AM (V1ZIU)

104 I seriously don't understand how the FISA court approved this. The FOREIGN intelligence surveillance act.

Posted by: Mainah at June 06, 2013 10:11 AM (659DL)

105 That Utah cloud place? I streamed a few flicks from there once....

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 10:11 AM (/jHWN)

106 OK, for those of you thinking it isn't so bad if it's just the phone records and not the audio, consider this: your cell phone is transmitting locational data. That data can be used to create a profile of your typical activity (if you spend most weekdays at point X then they know that's probably where you work, etc.). Also consider that they probably have set this db to merge call data with other records - financial transactions, online activity, etc.
Worried yet?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2013 10:11 AM (jvnuj)

107
Sure there is. They don't have audio, just metadata.

Because this administration would never lie about something like that.

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 06, 2013 10:11 AM (ylhEn)

108

The agencyÂ’s goal is Â“to create a database of every call ever madeÂ”

...and then what?

"Two girls at the same time, obviously" the official said

Posted by: Roberto Luongo at June 06, 2013 10:12 AM (NHNJt)

109 In other words, Uncle Sam Wants YOU!!! Unless you're not a single mother, a woman about to abort a baby or a wetback

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:12 AM (+98Gb)

110

The unfortunate events happening in the left's mouths are almost coming too fast to swallow - but I expect a throat-clearing scream of "BOOOOSHH!" will open their gullets sufficiently.

But Serious You Guys - if this isn't enough to start stringing up people for, what is?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 06, 2013 10:12 AM (zF6Iw)

111 Here's my question; why the separate subpoena for James Rosen and the AP? They apparently already have the records.

Posted by: Marcus

NSA info couldn't be legitimately used in court. Sure some judges might allow 'secret evidence' but protecting methods and sources usually take precedence over convicting small frye.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2013 10:12 AM (ujux6)

112 Let's clear this up - even "prepaid" (burners/throwaways) phone calls are all carried on the major wireless carrier's networks. So, if you are capturing ALL call records, then you are capturing those calls as well.

Posted by: Not an Artist at June 06, 2013 10:12 AM (uRumV)

113 You mean we just traveled back in time to 2006? shit im glad I wasn't wearing crocs...my former self woulda beat my own ass

Posted by: notachanceinhell at June 06, 2013 10:12 AM (jJA/4)

114 70 The only thing Orwell got wrong was the date. The first seatbelt law went into effect in 1984. It was the start.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (7ObY1)

115 102 This kind of thing can end in only 3 ways. 1) The current regime can be removed- Obama impeached, Holder impeached, the whole shebang. 2) The American people can acquiesce and we can just formally become the USSA. 3) Blood. Those are the only options. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 02:10 PM (/PCJa) I'll pick a 2+3 combo for $200, Alex...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (+98Gb)

116 102 This kind of thing can end in only 3 ways. 1) The current regime can be removed- Obama impeached, Holder impeached, the whole shebang. 2) The American people can acquiesce and we can just formally become the USSA. 3) Blood. Those are the only options. --- There WILL be blood.

Posted by: Daniel Plainview at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (zA7Zp)

117

If you wanted to make borderline people insane I'd suggest news stories which say bugs and birds could be surveillance drones.

Like germophobes, the homeless talking about government surveillance were ahead of their time.

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (sOtz/)

118

Oh I'm sure they've already accessed everyone's smart TV's that have mic's and cameras. I told you guys to disable that shit.

Posted by: CDR M at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (cqZXM)

119 52% of the American people voted for this. Twice. The enemy is through the wire and all around us.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (Zid/C)

120 Lizzy @ 107 - Bingo! http://goo.gl/WDH70

Posted by: Andy at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (vk3lb)

121 Oh come on you guys.... Stasi is so harsh... it's not that big of a deal ... really... I mean , it's not like we can't trust them.... and Bush and Halliburton started it anyways..

Posted by: Huffington Post troll at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (/jHWN)

122 Say that 10 times fast in your cell phone.

Pffft. Make one phone call to the 800 number of Americans For Prosperity or Club for Growth or the NRA.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (ZKzrr)

123 Ace is trolling us now

Posted by: Atlas Shit the Bed at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (rxnpE)

124 Wait, the article is from 2006. Not really a confirmation.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 06, 2013 10:13 AM (ZPrif)

125

According to the USA Today article (which dates from 2006, as Breitbart mentioned), the data collection that took place at that time was done UNDER CONTRACT. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm

The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.

The only major service provider to refuse the contract at the time was Qwest.

So here's my question -- what changed? What is different about what the NSA is requiring now that would not be satisfied by another contract? Why did they have to go through a FISA court?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 10:14 AM (4df7R)

126 I said it on twitter last night and I'm reaffirming now. This country's most basic bedrock principle is that the govt's power is derived from the consent of the governed. I'm ready to revoke my consent.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 06, 2013 10:14 AM (da5Wo)

127

Shut it down.

And by it, I do not mean this particular program.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 10:14 AM (fCkqS)

128 The NSA also has built computers to crack encryptions that operate in the pentaflop range...and they're looking to build ones that operate at much higher levels. Serious you guys we live in a police state. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 02:11 PM (V1ZIU) Oh oh oh I meant to ask about this. There was that article a few weeks back about the mathematician who made a major advance in determining the existence of prime number pairs. One of my first reactions was doesn't this have some serious cryptography implications because I think, though am by no means sure, that the use of exotic primes is part of some of the higher end encryption systems. I could be wrong on that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 10:14 AM (VtjlW)

129 Here's my question; why the separate subpoena for James Rosen and the AP? They apparently already have the records.

Posted by: Marcus

NSA info couldn't be legitimately used in court. Sure some judges might allow 'secret evidence' but protecting methods and sources usually take precedence over convicting small frye.

Those were land lines, not cell phones. They HAD to go get a subpoena.

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 10:14 AM (GQ8sn)

130 Wait, the article is from 2006. Not really a confirmation. Which article?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:14 AM (/PCJa)

131 Ummm.... READ THE LINK It leads to a USA Today article written in 2006 about the Bush administration. It has NOTHING to do about Obama.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 06, 2013 10:14 AM (tOkJB)

132 I'm going to begin every e-mail or phone conversation with "I'm gonna have an abortion''. Gotta figure Roe vs Wade is the only right to privacy left in the USA.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at June 06, 2013 10:14 AM (U2UQk)

133 You can bet your hat and ass the Obama-lovers at Tracfone are coughing up those records, too.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (vbzvs)

134

But the government wouldn't do anything malicious with this data.

Who cares? I've got nothing to hide.

Posted by: Stupid fuck liberals at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (fwARV)

135 Ok New Jersey morons, who is your attorney general? Your Gov. appointed AG to Senate seat. He's against the death penalty, I know that. Christie is unwaveringly loyal to his lawyer buddies.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (T0NGe)

136 >> Because this administration would never lie about something like that. Yeah, see my followup.

Posted by: Andy at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (vk3lb)

137 Will he or won't he? Tune in tomorrow and find out of John Boehner puts down his clinking highball glass long enough to express outrage for the American people on the next episode of, "As the World Burns."

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Posted by: Lady in Black at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (ovWeo)

138 Bugs and birds will be surveillance drones. Current trends are the bird drones will be solved problem by the 2020s. Perhaps sooner. The bug drones will be a solved problem by the 2030s. Perhaps sooner.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (ZPrif)

139 But Serious You Guys - if this isn't enough to start stringing up people for, what is?

Posted by: Mary Poppins'

Woah, woah! Slow down there, lil' missy.

In the fullness of time and stuff!

Posted by: GOP what totally didn' [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (ujux6)

140 no party,
this ain't no disco,
this ain't no foolin' around..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 02:07 PM (+98Gb)

Wish I could say, "same as it ever was" but I can't. Its much too worse. Holy fuck what has happened to our Bill of Rights?

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (HVff2)

141 128 I said it on twitter last night and I'm reaffirming now. This country's most basic bedrock principle is that the govt's power is derived from the consent of the governed. I'm ready to revoke my consent. Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 06, 2013 02:14 PM (da5Wo) In Soviet Amerika, now government revoke YOU!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (+98Gb)

142 This is all going to a facility in Utah and not Soros' volcano-that's-not-really-a-volcano? No volcanos in Utah

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (XvrTA)

143 @134... I'm going to begin every e-mail or phone conversation with "I'm gonna have an abortion''.

bwahahaaaa... THIS! Eleventy!

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 10:15 AM (/jHWN)

144

68 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 02:06 PM (/PCJa)

What he said.

Posted by: Austin in TX at June 06, 2013 10:16 AM (tkNAb)

145 >>>52% of the American people voted for this. Twice. The enemy is through the wire and all around us.

Can we really be sure, considering stuff like the IRS suppression conservative groups and Ohio's recent admission that ***20%** are bogus? (And that poll worker convicted of voting for Obama 3X in 2012.)

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2013 10:16 AM (jvnuj)

146 Every breath you take, every move you make, every bond you break, every step you take, I'll be watching you.

Posted by: Mainah at June 06, 2013 10:16 AM (659DL)

147 Oh oh oh I meant to ask about this. There was that article a few weeks back about the mathematician who made a major advance in determining the existence of prime number pairs.

IIRC, the pairs for very large numbers are separated by around 70 million or so. Someone with moar math skills is going to have to tell me how that works for cryptology.

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 10:16 AM (GQ8sn)

148 There should be a loud and uproarious united demand for all that data to be IMMEDIATELY erased, expunged and all those who accessed it for any other reason than terror related to go straight to jail till we clear this up and right NOW.

Posted by: Alinsky at June 06, 2013 10:16 AM (fSLdp)

149 The GOP what totally didn't know anything last year, swearsies.

Posted by: GOP what totally didn't know anything last year [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2013 10:16 AM (ujux6)

150 119 Oh I'm sure they've already accessed everyone's smart TV's that have mic's and cameras. I told you guys to disable that shit.

Posted by: CDR M at June 06, 2013 02:13 PM (cqZXM

The new X-Box watches and listens to you, right?

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 06, 2013 10:16 AM (lVPtV)

151 134 I'm going to begin every e-mail or phone conversation with "I'm gonna have an abortion''. Gotta figure Roe vs Wade is the only right to privacy left in the USA. Posted by: Regular Moron at June 06, 2013 02:14 PM (U2UQk) I vote we abort this fucking government. Right to privacy. Pfft.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 06, 2013 10:16 AM (+98Gb)

152 Oops - that's 20% of Ohio's registered voters are bogus.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2013 10:17 AM (jvnuj)

153 The ultimate future is to have a database of every citizen and resident in America that tracks and models behavior. Much like credit card companies use models to spot anomalous fraud. These models will spot anomalous behavior. The goal is to model intent and beliefs so you know who is likely to act out against the government's interests. Pre-crime.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 06, 2013 10:17 AM (ZPrif)

154 Holy fuck what has happened to our Bill of Rights?

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at June 06, 2013 02:15 PM (HVff2)

Whatever. That thing's like 100 years old.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at June 06, 2013 10:17 AM (fwARV)

155 Uh, guys? The USA Today article is seven years old....

Posted by: Uncle Rick at June 06, 2013 10:18 AM (ZbB1q)

156 This sets up a great populist campaign for the mid-terms and then in 2014. Abolish the IRS and the EPA. Erase the domestic database in Utah... anything else?

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 10:18 AM (/jHWN)

157 @103: I've seen a lot of full-on TFG drones getting angry at TFG about this. It's all fun and games until Valerie Jarrett is watching *you* masturbate.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 06, 2013 10:18 AM (B/VB5)

158 135 You can bet your hat and ass the Obama-lovers at Tracfone are coughing up those records, too.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2013 02:15 PM (vbzvs)

It's not like you can't use a fake name when activating your service.

Posted by: CDR M at June 06, 2013 10:18 AM (BuYeH)

159 One of my first reactions was doesn't this have some serious cryptography implications because I think, though am by no means sure, that the use of exotic primes is part of some of the higher end encryption systems. I could be wrong on that. Nope. You're 100% right. The larger the primes, the more lengthy the encryption. You want to look up "public key encryption" to learn more about it.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 10:18 AM (T0NGe)

160 Oh oh oh I meant to ask about this. There was that article a few weeks back about the mathematician who made a major advance in determining the existence of prime number pairs. One of my first reactions was doesn't this have some serious cryptography implications because I think, though am by no means sure, that the use of exotic primes is part of some of the higher end encryption systems. I could be wrong on that. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 02:14 PM (VtjlW) I don't know specifically about that but in the Wired article I linked to above some insiders talk about several big breakthroughs the NSA made that is making all of this possible.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 10:18 AM (V1ZIU)

161 I do all my coup plotting via the hidden web, encrypted and routed through overseas proxies. So this doesn't affect me per se.

Posted by: That Guy at June 06, 2013 10:18 AM (LYtpo)

162 > 1 Uh, is there even enough storage on the planet for that? (those are just records, not the actual conversations. but....) YES! They're building a center in Utah that can store a YottaByte of data. http://t.co/4QEPXnaDCT (link to ZeroHedge)

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 06, 2013 10:18 AM (5YUSx)

163

>>>time to get out The Lives of Others again and watch for our future

Crap. I don't speak German.

Posted by: LibertarianJim (#teamletitburn) at June 06, 2013 10:19 AM (CMbMd)

164 yeah, the 7 year old article doesn't really confirm a damn thing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 06, 2013 10:19 AM (ZPrif)

165 No volcanos in Utah

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah

Right. No volcanoes.

Posted by: Devil's Tower [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2013 10:19 AM (ujux6)

166 139 Will he or won't he? Tune in tomorrow and find out of John Boehner puts down his clinking highball glass long enough to express outrage for the American people on the next episode of, "As the World Burns."

Brought to you by Vanquish.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 06, 2013 02:15 PM (ovWeo)

Tanning bed emergency? Last I remember he was at daughter's wedding in S. FL. She married a guy with dreadlocks from Jamaica or somewhere.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 06, 2013 10:19 AM (baL2B)

167 They're building a center in Utah that can store a YottaByte of data.

How many zeros is that?

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 10:19 AM (GQ8sn)

168

@140

The bird and bug drones are in testing from what I've read. They have a bird drone which is attacked by eagles and hawks. So I would call that nearly operational.

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 10:19 AM (sOtz/)

169 if the working refuse to pay taxes....will it be enough to starve and kill this beast we call the government? I AM SICK TO DEATH of all this crap...it is BEYOND out of control.

Posted by: kawfytawk at June 06, 2013 10:19 AM (qdzWt)

170 The new X-Box watches and listens to you, right?

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 06, 2013 02:16 PM (lVPtV)

In 3D!

Posted by: CDR M at June 06, 2013 10:19 AM (BuYeH)

171 it's subtitled.. and an awesome movie... and thanks to DC, prescient

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (/jHWN)

172

Also from the 2006 article:

Paul Butler, a former U.S. prosecutor who specialized in terrorism crimes, said FISA approval generally isn't necessary for government data-mining operations. "FISA does not prohibit the government from doing data mining," said Butler, now a partner with the law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer and Feld in Washington, D.C.

The caveat, he said, is that "personal identifiers" Â— such as names, Social Security numbers and street addresses Â— can't be included as part of the search. "That requires an additional level of probable cause," he said.

The usefulness of the NSA's domestic phone-call database as a counterterrorism tool is unclear. Also unclear is whether the database has been used for other purposes.

There's that "personal identifiers" trigger again. It's not the same thing as a "unique identifier," but it indicates that the information Obammy has requested via the NSA is even more intrusive than this initial data mining program, hence the need for an actual FISA ruling.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (4df7R)

173 (The Right Scoop links to a USA Today article from 2006.)

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (/ZUV1)

174
And to top it off, Google glasses are going to make everybody a porn star. And this will be kept by the NSA. So wear make-up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (g5YAm)

175 Okay, let me see if I can put the dots together here. In 2006 (really before that, but that's when the USA Today article was apparently written), Bush was retrieving similar (not the same) data from the telecoms. I actually remember that, now that I think about it. Today (well, whenever it actually happened), the Obama Admin decided to get a court-order for a much wider dataset from Verizon. Based on Bush's use of all phone companies, we're assuming Obama is doing the same? Did I follow that correctly? The thing is, we don't need to reach that far. What Bush did was a) legal (bad law, but legal), b) always targeted specific individuals or groups, and c) always involved at least one foreign communicator (someone overseas). This is none of those. To my knowledge, there is no law that allows blanket surveillance of the US populace. The "US populace" is not a specific individual or group. This is looking at purely domestic data as well. That is enough, whether the other telecoms were subpoenaed or not.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (/PCJa)

176 Now when the NSA comes up with those kitten drones.... we're screwed!

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (/jHWN)

177 The USA Today article is seven years old....

The court order for Verizon turning over their data was made in April.

Posted by: SCOAMF XIV at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (ZKzrr)

178 They're building a center in Utah that can store a YottaByte of data. Seriously? So we're just making words up now?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (da5Wo)

179 Fuckin Freaky...at least people aren't taking team O-pression's bullshit. These leaks are the result of pissed of CIA/NSA and security agents at the phone companies. Don't fuck with the guys wearing pocket protectors! I thought everyone figured this out after the first Revenge of the Nerds! The next shoe to drop is the flacks at the ATF.

SCOAMF Doomed!

Posted by: dananjcon at June 06, 2013 10:20 AM (jvd3N)

180 32 Here's my question; why the separate subpoena for James Rosen and the AP? They apparently already have the records. ---------- The NSA has the records. But they can't share, because classified.

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at June 06, 2013 10:21 AM (FzhYM)

181 Lizzy, one thing I can guarantee you - Romney won the majority of votes actually cast by legitimate voters.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 10:22 AM (fCkqS)

182 It's not like you can't use a fake name when activating your service.

Why should law-abiding citizens be forced to do that?

Posted by: SCOAMF XIV at June 06, 2013 10:22 AM (ZKzrr)

183

So are we suppossed to believe that it is only the metadata? We can't get straight answers on Fast & Furious, Benghazi, Rosengate, IRS, etc. so why should I believe this?

Posted by: CDR M at June 06, 2013 10:22 AM (y67bA)

184 "102 This kind of thing can end in only 3 ways. 1) The current regime can be removed- Obama impeached, Holder impeached, the whole shebang. 2) The American people can acquiesce and we can just formally become the USSA. 3) Blood. Those are the only options. " number one isn't going to happen under any circumstances. There is nothing he can do, no law he can break that would force congress to assert it's authority and remove him from office. Though he might get impeached by the house it would be a rank and file thing the GOP leadership would run screaming from it. The senate would make a mockery of the proceedings again anyway. as for number 2 we've got a good chunk of the population that would embrace that and has embraced it. This choice also comes with number 3 as a bonus

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at June 06, 2013 10:22 AM (HEa5q)

185 163 I do all my coup plotting via the hidden web, encrypted and routed through overseas proxies. So this doesn't affect me per se. Posted by: That Guy at June 06, 2013 02:18 PM (LYtpo) Read the Wired article. That's exactly what the Utah data center is being built for...to capture all of the stuff in the deep web.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 10:22 AM (V1ZIU)

186 I have never been in trouble in my life. I'm boring and responsible by choice. For that I would like the option of every bit of data connected to me to be nobody's damn business but my own. No advertiser, no corporation, no charity, and damn sure no government.

Posted by: MostlyRight at June 06, 2013 10:23 AM (w9AQ4)

187 That data center in Utah is so big, they've got room for all of Barbara Streisand's movies including REDS in HD 3-D ! Sick

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 10:23 AM (/jHWN)

188 33 Wasn't the gathering of metadata only supposed to be for calls going out to certain designated foreign countries or entities? Is this a case of that, or is it ALL metadata for ALL calls, foreign and domestic? The Bushies did the first, and got yelled at for it, IIRC.

No, the Bush action was to authorize eavesdropping on international calls.

In addition, Bush authorized collection of phone records -- not recordings -- for all calls. USA Today reported on it in 2006.

* * * *
In defending the previously disclosed program, Bush insisted that the NSA was focused exclusively on international calls. "In other words," Bush explained, "one end of the communication must be outside the United States."

As a result, domestic call records Â— those of calls that originate and terminate within U.S. borders Â— were believed to be private.

Sources, however, say that is not the case. With access to records of billions of domestic calls, the NSA has gained a secret window into the communications habits of millions of Americans. Customers' names, street addresses and other personal information are not being handed over as part of NSA's domestic program, the sources said. But the phone numbers the NSA collects can easily be cross-checked with other databases to obtain that information.

Posted by: News reader at June 06, 2013 10:23 AM (MACNq)

189 Well after the last year of O's presidency I see the new plot line for the upcoming Jack Bauer/24 series. He flies around protecting unsuspecting Mexicans from Fast & Furious gun running, saves Pro Life groups from the IRS and rescues Grandma Bev talking to her grandson on a Verizon cell phone. Maybe Chloe will give Moochelle a drastic beat down

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at June 06, 2013 10:23 AM (HVff2)

190 Actually Fox News had a special on about the Utah Data Center a few weeks ago hosted by that hot milf with the high cheekbones and the doll's eyes...Herridge?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 10:23 AM (V1ZIU)

191

Why should law-abiding citizens be forced to do that?

Posted by: SCOAMF XIV at June 06, 2013 02:22 PM (ZKzrr)

Oh I wasn't advocating that, just stating that the data is most likely useless as it won't contain a persons real name or data.

Posted by: CDR M at June 06, 2013 10:24 AM (Mv/2X)

192 Ace- Link is to 2006 article on USA Today.

Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 10:24 AM (tyDFN)

193

Someone said right away this morning said :liberals=GBush's fault! I laughed and thought nobody was that stupid to realize that Zero himself renewed it twice and in fact expanded it. Then I started seeing libs reply and reat. Yep, Bush's fault, nothing Obama could do. When I point out that the JEF renewed it TWICE I get, shutup because.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2013 10:24 AM (/tc03)

194 >>>Oops - that's 20% of Ohio's registered voters are bogus.

***

I'm from California and have been convinced for quite some time that the Dems have broken the code on how to steal elections. Everything from Motor Voter to same day registration, to no voter ID to absentee voting. All in the name of making it easier to vote. And of course, the infrastructure that processes those registrations and absentee ballots - is all Democrats since they infest the governmental bureaucracy at every level. I think California was the laboratory to see what they could get away with and now its gone national.

The Democratic Party is a criminal organization and they are making sure that they don't ever again have to deal with the unpredictability of elections and the chance of losing them.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 06, 2013 10:24 AM (Zid/C)

195

How many zeros is that?

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 02:19 PM (GQ8sn)

1024 Lottabytes

Posted by: Atlas Shit the Bed at June 06, 2013 10:24 AM (rxnpE)

196
And the fascism lands on OUR shores this D-Day.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 06, 2013 10:25 AM (g5YAm)

197 105 I seriously don't understand how the FISA court approved this. The FOREIGN intelligence surveillance act. ---------- Citizens are just undocumented foreigners.

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at June 06, 2013 10:25 AM (FzhYM)

198 IIRC, the pairs for very large numbers are separated by around 70 million or so. Someone with moar math skills is going to have to tell me how that works for cryptology. It wouldn't have many practical applications. His theorem says that if there are twin primes (primes that differ by 2), then there's another set of twin primes that are close. But that's a theoretical result. But finding a big prime does have crypto applications.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 10:25 AM (T0NGe)

199 So are we suppossed to believe that it is only the metadata? We can't get straight answers on Fast Furious, Benghazi, Rosengate, IRS, etc. so why should I believe this? They can do a whole heck of a lot with that meta-data. Remember how much of your life (say... your home address) is a matter of public record. They take the meta-data from Verizon, and then xref it against public record data. I'm sure a lot of interesting things could be found that way. It's beyond chilling. But you're also right: we can't trust that all they're taking is the meta-data. Why should we trust them? They've proven themselves untrustworthy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:26 AM (/PCJa)

200 It's not just phone records they're collecting. It's a data base of everything we do electronically, stacked into one file with our specific names on it. AND it wouldn't suprise me a bit that "thresholds" have been attached so that when a person crosses that digital line, the computer will produce an arrest warrant. Far fetched? Not anymore.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 06, 2013 10:26 AM (6mRoM)

201 Speaking of "chilling" Someone apparently decided to set the A/C to "meat locker" at the office today.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:26 AM (/PCJa)

202 And the fascism lands on OUR shores this D-Day.

It's been here a long time already.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 06, 2013 10:26 AM (ZKzrr)

203 This kind of thing can end in only 3 ways.

1) The current regime can be removed- Obama impeached, Holder impeached, the whole shebang.

2) The American people can acquiesce and we can just formally become the USSA.

3) Blood.

Those are the only options.

Now you know why I keep pushing so hard for impeachment.

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 06, 2013 10:26 AM (ylhEn)

204 The only major service provider to refuse the contract at the time was Qwest.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 06, 2013 02:14 PM (4df7R)

**********************************

We were Qwest customers at the time. (It's now CenturyLink.) That was the day I made up my mind to stay with them forever. You can have my land line when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

The government hauled Qwest to court over their refusal to turn over records but a judge handed them their hats IIRC.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2013 10:27 AM (vbzvs)

205 every 4 years we hear about 40,000 Somalis living in Ohio that are bused en mass to the polls by the democrats.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at June 06, 2013 10:28 AM (HEa5q)

206 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 02:22 PM (fCkqS)

Agreed. I know I'm starting to sound like a loon, but I just can't believe that Obama legitimately won in 2012 anymore. Not after the past month's revelations. Not that we can challenge the results, but we can stop with the "well, we have the blame all the conservatives who didn't vote in 2012" or "well, like or not the majority wanted more Obama."

Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2013 10:28 AM (jvnuj)

207 196... Yep, I agree completely.

A plank to keep secret until elected in 2016.... ram the voting age up to 21 with military exception and mandatory voter id... and if you're caught in a voter fraud... you forfeit your eligibility of SS, Medicare, food stamps, WIC, AND you are forced to move to Detroit.

Posted by: Yip at June 06, 2013 10:28 AM (/jHWN)

208 Now you know why I keep pushing so hard for impeachment.

Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2013 02:26 PM (ylhEn)

Same here.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 10:28 AM (fCkqS)

209 What Bush did was a) legal (bad law, but legal), b) always targeted specific individuals or groups, and c) always involved at least one foreign communicator (someone overseas).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 02:20 PM (/PCJa)

Ah, but according to the USA Today article, this call monitoring under Bush was NOT restricted solely to calls where one of the parties was overseas. It also stored data on domestic calls made within the country.

Now how much you do or don't trust the word of an anonymous source is up for debate, since a quick read of the article didn't reveal any hard facts about the scope of the program outside of what the leaker said. If it was a pissed off NSA employee who hated Bush s/he could have just put this out there as a way to thumb his/her nose at the administration. Or it could be 100% accurate.

Which again brings up my question -- if this kind of data collection was going on UNDER CONTRACT during the Bush years, without a warrant, what changed in the Obama request that would require a FISA ruling?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 10:28 AM (4df7R)

210 @111 The unfortunate events happening in the left's mouths are almost coming too fast to swallow - but I expect a throat-clearing scream of "BOOOOSHH!" will open their gullets sufficiently.

That's called the "full-throated defense."

Posted by: News reader at June 06, 2013 10:28 AM (MACNq)

211

If I think about the many ways this is illegal, I'm gonna have a ragestroke.

These goddamned mutherfuckers are like Terminators: they absolutely will not stop unless we stop them.

It's past time to demand that the Constitution be reinstated in it's original form, with only it's original wording as a guide. No other cases to be based on, just the plain wording as it exists. "Shall not" means "shall not" and will be punished with jail time or other suitable punishment as befits the Law of the Land. Deportation would be the most humane, if you're not going to follow the law, then you need to leave. If you don't leave, then you'll deserve whatever else happens.

I'm so fucking mad about this I can't see straight. I had to change the rest of this post or risk a banning, which I would richly deserve.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 06, 2013 10:29 AM (0HooB)

212 Suddenly Penelope Garcia doesn't seem so cute any more.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2013 10:29 AM (vbzvs)

213 What's the big deal?

Posted by: Illegal Mexican living with 4 other families with no phone, bank account or drivers license. at June 06, 2013 10:30 AM (jz0+s)

214 One reason to be more concerned with what's going on now than 2006 is that we have a current regime that is still answering for using its power in illegal ways to beat down its opposition. Does anyone think that they'd be above blackmailing enemies when they misuse the IRS and pursue reporters?

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 10:31 AM (MMC8r)

215 Agreed. I know I'm starting to sound like a loon, but I just can't believe that Obama legitimately won in 2012 anymore welcome to the party, lizzy. hey guess what? every single census-counted living person of any age voted for Barry in North Philly in 2012. they didn't even have to lift a finger. the votes were already boxed up and ready to go

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 06, 2013 10:31 AM (2up3Q)

216 Ah, but according to the USA Today article, this call monitoring under Bush was NOT restricted solely to calls where one of the parties was overseas. It also stored data on domestic calls made within the country. Yeah, I recall that, too. IIRC, it was mostly debunked even at the time. Which again brings up my question -- if this kind of data collection was going on UNDER CONTRACT during the Bush years, without a warrant, what changed in the Obama request that would require a FISA ruling? That's a very, very good question. Of course, the answer could simply be Verizon refusing to renew the contract, Barack Obama's arrogance, or some combination of the two.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 10:31 AM (/PCJa)

217 Fox News video about the Utah Data Center: http://tinyurl.com/ma5jy7x

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 10:32 AM (V1ZIU)

218

@215

Thank you Illegal Mexican, you raise an interesting point. We are always told we cant deport 11 million or so of you and moreover we can't keep track of you because its impossible so we have to bend over and accept the chorizo of amnesty.

Turns out the government can keep track of you, but chooses to employ this technology to keep tabs on the other 250 million or so actual law abiding Americans. Super.

Posted by: Batman at June 06, 2013 10:33 AM (t06LC)

219 I actually had a nightmare about this last night (though it was all symbolic). A nice, middle-aged woman with a Sunoco biusiness card (?) walked into my mother's house ... She was some kind of spy. It made me literally wake up. Won't say on an interneal forum what I did though...

Posted by: Baldy at June 06, 2013 10:34 AM (tyDFN)

220 Heads exploding over in Cheetohland.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2013 10:34 AM (vbzvs)

221 202 It's not just phone records they're collecting. It's a data base of everything we do electronically, stacked into one file with our specific names on it. AND it wouldn't suprise me a bit that "thresholds" have been attached so that when a person crosses that digital line, the computer will produce an arrest warrant. Far fetched? Not anymore.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 06, 2013 02:26 PM (6mRoM)

I guarantee you that they've done something with all of this data similiar to what they did with his reelection coordination effort. They have their whose naughty list and they are compiling data. Someone speaks up? That's alright, we got some embarassing data on you to shut you back up.

Posted by: CDR M at June 06, 2013 10:34 AM (cqZXM)

222 BTW. Libs are all pissed that R and D couldn't come to an agreement and the student loan rates are going up. The libs response at work was. "Sure, the Reps are protecting their rich banking buddies" When I pointed out to those same Libs that Obama took over the student loan program in 2010 I got blank stares and a change in subject pronto one did say, no way until I sent him articles on it, he hasn't said a word to me the rest of the day (which is awesome). Of course that was right after I had to tell them that Obama not only renewed the Patriot act TWICE, he expanded the powers of it. These fucks are so ill informed they make my head explode.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2013 10:36 AM (/tc03)

223

This kind of thing can end in only 3 ways.

1) The current regime can be removed- Obama impeached, Holder impeached, the whole shebang.

2) The American people can acquiesce and we can just formally become the USSA.

3) Blood.

Those are the only options.

I am very rapidly coming to hope for option 3. Four years of the ambulatory shitstain in the White House and the criminal party he heads wiping their asses with the constitution while the GOP makes excuses for doing nothing has pushed my tolerance meter to just about zero. I know I won't survive the blood, but there's a shitload of Obots I've got marked to take down with me when I go.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 06, 2013 10:36 AM (zF6Iw)

224 I'm so fucking mad about this I can't see straight. I had to change the rest of this post or risk a banning, which I would richly deserve.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 06, 2013 02:29 PM (0HooB)

I hear you, brother.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 06, 2013 10:38 AM (zF6Iw)

225 These men could be running child slavery and gladiator games out of the West Wing, ain't no way either of them are going to be impeached, or resign.

Posted by: Maximus at June 06, 2013 10:39 AM (f0eZQ)

226 What is the over/under on how long it takes them to collate all of this against the Tea Party application data?

Posted by: Thatch at June 06, 2013 10:39 AM (qYvEa)

227 Lizzy.. not loony at all. I said from the begining that if Obama won it would be because of fraud. Fraud comes in many forms and they pulled out all the stops. I kept wondering the day of the election how Romney was beating him in every poll and yet he lost. Also answers my question back then about where the hell the tea party was. Now we know.

Posted by: jewells45 at June 06, 2013 10:41 AM (l/N7H)

228 210 Now you know why I keep pushing so hard for impeachment. Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2013 02:26 PM (ylhEn) -- Same here. Posted by: Vashta Nerada With you guys all the way....

Posted by: Ghost Ø HillØrrheah at June 06, 2013 10:43 AM (ULH4o)

229 Just when I think it couldn't get any worse....BAM! My head is spinning. I'm so angry that it act.u.all.y makes me snippy in daily conversation....and if I SEE an effin Obama bumper sticker I go completely ape-shit....I despise feeling this way!

Posted by: kawfytawk at June 06, 2013 10:44 AM (qdzWt)

230 But they were a bunch of old, white, bible thumping, gun totating racists: But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at June 06, 2013 10:45 AM (gdGJ1)

231 Oh and for those who say the Democrats in the Senate will never vote to convict on impeachment proceedings... i seem to remember from US history that there was an informal process for changing a politician's mind - something involving a bucket of molten tar, a pillow full of feathers and a rail?

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 06, 2013 10:46 AM (ylhEn)

232 ...sorry about that totating, should be tot'n, and can the NSA get my email from this - oh snap!

Posted by: Rob in Katy at June 06, 2013 10:46 AM (gdGJ1)

233 22 The President said the war is over.

The war against us has only begun.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 02:01 PM (FcR7P)

Bingo. Remember who DHS defines as terrorists...

Posted by: Jane Galt at June 06, 2013 10:47 AM (bP5mb)

234

Today, President Obama issued the following letter to all Verizon customers:

Dear Verizon Customers,

Yesterday it came to light that the National Security Agency has been collecting millions of phone records from you each and every day. Since that news was released, many of you have called the White House with questions and concerns about this new program. To save my time and yours, here are answers to three of the F.A.Q.s (Frequently Asked Questions) weÂ’ve been hearing from you:

1. Will I be charged extra for this service?

IÂ’m happy to say that the answer is no. While the harvesting and surveillance of your domestic phone calls were not a part of your original Verizon service contract, the National Security Agency is providing this service entirely free of charge.

2. If I add a phone to my account, will those calls also be monitored?

Once again, the answer is good news. If you want to add a child or any other family member to your Verizon account, their phone callsÂ—whom they called, when, and the duration of the callÂ—will all be monitored by the United States government, at no additional cost.

3. Can the National Security Agency help me understand my Verizon bill?

Unfortunately, no. The National Security Agency has tried, but failed, to understand VerizonÂ’s bills. Pease call Verizon customer service and follow the series of electronic prompts.

I hope IÂ’ve helped clear up some of the confusion about this exciting new program. But if you have any further questions, please donÂ’t hesitate to call the White House. Joe Biden is standing by.

God bless America,

President Obama

Posted by: Dr. Peter Venkman at June 06, 2013 10:54 AM (dY+4R)

235 All Other Phone Records Seized, Too You had to expect this to be the case ...really? We HAD to expect this police state. Well. "Told you so, weenies." Because, Paultard. Go GOP! Republicans make bigger government better than Democrats do. Sure, McCain! Rah rah rah. Because of this Bush-Obama Era of shared values. Shared, as in stolen authority and alienated divine rights stolen from the individual and State's Rights stolen from the citizens: We, The People. So, been down that neoconservative rabbit hole too many times, YET? The Patriot Act blah blah saving the country because of the divine rights of the DHS, collective not recognizing/allowing individual. Only a dictatorship can save us from ourselves, from violence, from life. Right? We give up everything; the government takes everything, including our blood, voice and DNA. And there's nothing productive to show for all this bipartisan authoritarian power grab. This is how "our" Congress and Administration CHOOSE to spend our tax funds. That, while demanding more tax funds from the middle class American to "lend" to friends of Congress members for their own personal aggrandizement at our personal bankruptcy, and our nation's bankruptcy. But hell, THEY TOOK THE MONEY AND RAN. Surprise, surprise, surprise. "You had to expect this to be the case" when there's no hill worth defending until something finally matters too little, too late given the meh from the educated and intellectual professionals. So long as you stay employed, all is well. Yeah, those who had work during the 1930s felt the same way; don't rock the boat. Meanwhile, NO rebuilding of our nation's infrastructure. Let the highways erode and the bridges fail. Blame the petroleum industry, while you're at it. It's all their fault that Congress gave GM billions of tax fund dollars to never give back, and to fail in business. OUR bigger debt is better and richer for THEM. Keynesian doublespeak or something. But, for gosh sake. Don't say squat in the public square or on your telephone, or to your dishwasher that could be heard as politically critical. Mind your PC Ps and Qs! Because, let's remember our enthusiasm: It's all about the children. Strike that. "It's all about homosexuality, Mr./Mrs. Obama." So say the sponsored gala gay activists. We'll see down this road of serfdom how their tax and phone records fair with the IRS and DHS. As if any politician would dare attack "special" people when there are so many damned "Tea Party" conservatives to torture.

Posted by: panzernashorn at June 06, 2013 10:58 AM (MhA4j)

236 Barack Obama is the enemy within.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2013 10:59 AM (vbzvs)

237 When Bush did it back in 2006 I recall we were still at war. Now according to Obama we're not and according to Obama there are no terrorists... So why are we still doing this?

Posted by: Skywise at June 06, 2013 11:00 AM (NwXfv)

238 What if there was an app that randomly dialed numbers, spoke for you explaining the purpose of the call was to protest the NSA and then held the line for a random length of time. Maybe the app registers your number and can only contact numbers registered with the app. At what point could we: A. Inflict pain on our cell phone carrier and B. make the NSA have to rework their data mining operation.

Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at June 06, 2013 11:10 AM (lhX9P)

239 From the helm I only see an ice cube next to the ship. How did that thing rip such huge hole in the ship? Oh there's more under the surface? How soon before the rats try to save themselves? And the band played on.....I believe the song was The Symphony of Destruction.

Posted by: Nunyobidnez at June 06, 2013 11:40 AM (RZvso)

240 I didn't enhance your security at the cost of your liberty. I reduced your liberty and your security! DUH!

Posted by: Presnit Obeezy at June 06, 2013 11:53 AM (dSE0q)

241 It is too late to do anything about this spying. The American people love it. Every day they what TV programs like NCIS which runs plots that presuppose that comprehensive data on everyone is accessible by police as well as video tracing the movements of virtually everyone in the US. I submit that the public at large thinks that this is a good thing.

Posted by: Marpag at June 06, 2013 12:22 PM (ZBSCq)

242 &

Posted by: Keanu Reeves at June 06, 2013 01:15 PM (UypUQ)

243 & &

Posted by: Keanu Reeves at June 06, 2013 01:15 PM (UypUQ)

244 I can see it now.... "Citizen, we have determined, based on our data of you, that you will commit a crime against the state on May 3, 2017. Please report to your nearest Federal Detention Center to begin serving your sentence."

Posted by: TRE at June 06, 2013 07:01 PM (g3kBZ)

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