April 19, 2013

Cowards?
— Ace

Erick Erickson writes:

On Monday, two young men planted bombs in Boston and last night killed a policeman before one of them was, himself, killed. The other remains on the run.

Politicians have thrown around the word “cowards” to describe these guys.

Do they not know what the word means?

The basic definition is “a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.”

Actually that may be the simplified definition, but the real definition -- the definition used throughout history -- isn't that.

The use of violent force has throughout history attracted a certain code for restraining its use. The code of chivalry, Bushido, the code of the US fighting forces... those who are trained to use violence professionally create a moral code which specifies its permissible use and forbids its impermissible uses.

It is this code that separates a soldier from a brigand, a knight from a knave.

"Cowardly" has been employed to describe all deviations from a martial code. The most obvious deviation -- the one Erick is thinking of -- is the departure from the code of courage, that a soldier should be willing to risk his life in honorable (permissible, sanctioned) combat and should not shy away from the hazards of combat.

But the in the long history of the term, it is also applied to many other departures from the code of the soldier -- such as the use of violence against the weak, defenseless, weaponless.

Murderous knights of the Middle Ages were not called "cowardly" because they were fearful of combat. Most often, they weren't more afraid of combat than any other knight.

They were called "cowardly" because they employed tactics contrary to the code of martial honor -- taking unfair advantage of an opponent (such as using a crossbow to kill an opponent in range, when that opponent invited an honorable hand-to-hand contest) or using the power of violence against non-combatants.

Many Wild West criminals weren't "cowardly" in the sense of shying from physical violence. They were instead called "cowardly" for shooting men in the back, raping women, killing old unarmed men.

They were cowardly not for fearing death -- most people who become murderers don't fear death all that much because they give little value to life, including their own.

They were cursed as cowards not from running away from a fair fight (though most cowards would do that, as they don't like fair fights; that's what makes them cowards) but for not adhering to the moral code of the Soldier, the moral code of the Strong, the moral code of the Brave, which limits the uses of violence to certain tactics and ends judged morally acceptable (and of course even morally laudatory).

That code, note, puts the Soldier's own life at risk. The soldier, by using violence in a highly regulated way and being careful to not attack non-combatants, actually puts his own life in greater danger than it would otherwise be. By restricting his own Rules of Engagement and choice of tactics and targets, he increases the likelihood he himself will be killed.

Delay equals death in battled, after all.

And that makes adhering to the code all the more laudatory -- not only is violence being held to certain purposes, but the soldier who adheres to such a code is increasing the chances of his own death in order to reduce the danger to non-soldiers.

Did these cowards seek a fair fight? Did they choose for their opponents other armed men? Did they adhere to the basic rules of combat -- such as announcing there will in fact be a combat at all?

Of course not.

A poisoner might take certain risks -- such as being arrested or even killed by police -- but no one calls the poisoner a brave man for having slipped a deadly dose into his wife's coffee. His use of violence is not only towards an impermissible end, but deployed via impermissible tactics.

I agree that words should have meanings. But we should also be mindful that words have long histories and long memories.

Hey! Lay off Erick! He's not trying to defend the terrorists. He just doesn't know what "cowardly" actually means, and how it's been used throughout history.

This is an etymological failing, not a moral one.

The Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor was called "cowardly" not because the sailors and pilots of the Japanese fleet were afraid to fight, but because they violated the basic rule of combat (declaring a war before you begin it) in order to disadvantage their opponents and advantage themselves.

Honor has a cost. Honorable men pay that cost in their own blood.

Murderers are not willing to pay that cost. They are willing to kill but not willing to expose themselves to the full danger that honor sometimes requires. That's why there aren't many statues honoring murderers.

Although Robert Redford and other Hollywood types who hate the "extremism of the right wing" do make lots of sympathetic films about them.

Posted by: Ace at 12:59 PM | Comments (604)
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1 First?

Posted by: Darles Chickens at April 19, 2013 01:01 PM (z4vvZ)

2 Oh great, another crossbow vs longbow thread.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 19, 2013 01:01 PM (hpYnL)

3 don't make me ban you...!

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 01:02 PM (LCRYB)

4

Well said, Ace. 

Posted by: Darles Chickens at April 19, 2013 01:02 PM (z4vvZ)

5 FUOAD, Erick. Douche.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 19, 2013 01:02 PM (u0Z3Y)

6 Very well done, Ace

Posted by: steelez at April 19, 2013 01:02 PM (TopjX)

7 I  loathe anyone that will  misuse  the  word  "heroes"  in this situation.

Posted by: Roy at April 19, 2013 01:03 PM (VndSC)

8 What a beautiful piece.   I am going to read it a second time.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:03 PM (P6QsQ)

9 Didn't Bill Maher make a similarly narrow point about the 9-11 hijackers?

Posted by: angler at April 19, 2013 01:03 PM (SwjAj)

10 Mechanic saying he was wearing $900 louis vuitton shoes when he went to pick the car up. heh.* *thanks, mom, for "shopping" at Lord and Taylor for me. **see, this is the problem. They couldn't keep up with the Jones's in Boston. It was a class thing. /jk

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:03 PM (XYSwB)

11 Aside from the lack of news over the last few hours, why did Erikson feel the need to weigh in on the matter to begin with? Did these atavists really need anyone jumping in to defend their honor (other than the NYT)?

Posted by: Xander Crews at April 19, 2013 01:04 PM (IydAq)

12 Crossbows. Duh.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 19, 2013 01:04 PM (GEICT)

13 How did the dude escape from the 1:30 am shootout when his older brother died? How did that happen? He drove away, right? Did they find the car? And they've been at 70% completion of house searches since noon at least. wtf is going on?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:04 PM (ZPrif)

14 Ace- Amazingly coherent after what is most assuredly a very long news week with little sleep.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 19, 2013 01:04 PM (4Mv1T)

15

Has Erickson not seen the pictures of the little boy who was killed?   One of these "losers" (to use his uncle's term) consciously chose to leave his backpack next to that family and anonymously slink away.   Can you imagine a more cowardly act?

Posted by: The Regular Guy at April 19, 2013 01:04 PM (qHCyt)

16 Thanks Ace for all the Great posts during all this !!!!!! God Bless The Horde !!!!!!!!! And these suspects are just plain EVIL !!!!!

Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at April 19, 2013 01:04 PM (qL8P+)

17 Savages, rapid dogs, works for me.

Posted by: liontooth at April 19, 2013 01:05 PM (xk0Xg)

18

Bring chivalry back!  (Nice post, Ace)

Posted by: Liberty Lover at April 19, 2013 01:05 PM (encrR)

19

#9

He said that you could call them a lot of things but coward was nor one.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 19, 2013 01:05 PM (R8hU8)

20 Trust not Erick.  Too much tendencies to melt when the going gets tough.  Really wants MSM approval.

Posted by: wg at April 19, 2013 01:05 PM (OOdce)

21 Erickson sometimes wakes up grumpy and shits the bed. Not sure why. Does make him more interesting since he's a bit unpredictable.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:05 PM (ZPrif)

22 in other really important news (yahoo):

" An eithe grade student from West Virginia has been arrested, suspended and faces charges for wearing an NRA T-shirt with the image of a firearm and the words "Protect Your Right" printed on it to school. "

(yeah, the article misspelled 'eighth')

the school policy:

"A student will not dress or groom in a manner that disrupts the educational process or is detrimental to the health, safety or welfare of others. A student will not dress in a manner that is distractive or indecent, to the extent that it interferes with the teaching and learning process, including wearing any apparel that displays or promotes any drug-, alcohol- or tobacco-related product that is prohibited in school buildings, on school grounds, in school-leased or owned vehicles, and at all school-affiliated functions."

(I guess you can't wear a t-shirt with a picture of Groucho Marx or George Burns. Che might be okay, though.)

Posted by: mallfly at April 19, 2013 01:05 PM (bJm7W)

23 I'm fucking sick of this shit, ever since 9/11 when we were all admonished that whatever else the assholes who flew the planes were, they weren't "cowards". Fuck that. It's insecure Leftist asshole bravado that understands bravery only in terms of cartoonish death-defiance that borders on psychopathy. Bravery isn't being a fucking nutjob who doesn't care about his own life or has himself convinced that something way better is going to happen when he blows himself up. Real bravery is doing something that you really don't want to do, but you put yourself forward as a potential sacrifice for the good of others.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at April 19, 2013 01:06 PM (Y5I9o)

24 I see little Martin's face in that post. Good job.

Posted by: madamex at April 19, 2013 01:06 PM (Tj05I)

25 This whole post casts an inadvertent shadow over gabby giffords calling members of congress cowardly for doing their jobs.  Just sayin'...

Posted by: M. Murcek at April 19, 2013 01:06 PM (GJUgF)

26 Putting a bomb at the feet of an unsuspecting 8 year old boy is the definition of fucking cowardice.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

27 @Nevergiveup yeah, King's statement was good.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:06 PM (XYSwB)

28 William Bonney was a coward.

Posted by: dantesed at April 19, 2013 01:06 PM (EBNAH)

29 Well said.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 19, 2013 01:07 PM (evdj2)

30 Has Erickson flipped his wig??!!! That's the kind of shit I expect spewing from the diseased maw of a leftist, post 9/11. Bill Maher IIRC. Weird. And cowards in every sense of the word.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:07 PM (tqLft)

31 Are drone strikes in Pakistan villages cowardly? Not trying to be the resident hipster douche, but Ace states the martial code "puts the Soldier's own life at risk" and drone pilots most certainly do not do that. Suggest a slightly different definition...

Posted by: major major major major at April 19, 2013 01:07 PM (yJDEE)

32 Me thinks Erik Erickson is an idiot who rides in the choom wagon

Posted by: Yip at April 19, 2013 01:07 PM (/jHWN)

33

Most cowards don't know the proper use of the term because they associate non-cowardness as anything they would be afraid to do. 

 

EE and Bill   Maher strike me as those  type  of  people.  

Posted by: polynikes at April 19, 2013 01:07 PM (m2CN7)

34 Just wanted to jump in on inevitable, terrorists were "religious conservative," etc. misbranding attempts.

Mooslems and company are sole democrat constituencies, Boston is all democrat, throw that back in their faces.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 19, 2013 01:08 PM (WrIV3)

35 Dare I point out that the skillful use of caltrops last night might have ended this whole affair?

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 19, 2013 01:08 PM (evdj2)

36 Well said, and an accurate summation of the Code.

Posted by: I'd Rather Be Surfin at April 19, 2013 01:08 PM (g5wi5)

37 @Nevergiveup yeah, King's statement was good. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 05:06 PM (XYSwB) And he drives the liberals crazy. Sometimes he drives some conservatives crazy also because he still advocates for his constituency which is NY after all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:08 PM (jE38p)

38 I said they were cowards, and it applies to Bill Ayers and Ms Dhorn and that creep teaching at Columbia, whatever her name is. In a sense it can be applied to the MFM, which lays its progresso-communist shit on a defenseless public.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 19, 2013 01:08 PM (PH+2B)

39 They should NOT be giving his father a megaphone/platform to spew his crap.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (XYSwB)

40 I don't disagree with  your point Ace, but I don't like its use in these types of situations (and yes, there are "types" of these situations, unfortunately). 

It has become too cliche to come out and call terrorists cowards.  Sure, they're cowards, but what's the point?  Are we expecting shame? 

Call them pigs.  That's what they are, and it would have more effect. 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (BeSEI)

41 35 Dare I point out that the skillful use of caltrops last night might have ended this whole affair? Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 19, 2013 05:08 PM (evdj2) Crock pots at 40 paces, sir...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (tqLft)

42 An easy way to avoid debate over the proper use of "coward"?

Instead refer to them simply as evil.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (SY2Kh)

43 Remember BillMaher getting angry for GW calling the 9/11 terrorists cowards?Cowards don't crash planes into buildi gs that takes guts!(paraphrase)

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (dBYCN)

44 Why does FNC keep giving the off her meds aunt a world stage, every hour on the hour.

Posted by: Craig Poe at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (BVkEs)

45 Chrismas in April, to watch the English/Pakistani Martin Bashir and the Capitalist hating Chris Mathews report on an American hating terrorist. 

Posted by: tony redenzo at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (H3SNW)

46 “Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway”
John Wayne

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (d0Dmj)

47 It's takes bravery to stand up to bullying and then act. Those are the kind of people this country needs more of. Plus they seem to be good with their hands. #stopthehate

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 19, 2013 01:09 PM (4cRnj)

48 Ace, great post. And The Regular Guy at #15 makes exactly the point I was going to. I agree with Erickson that some atrocities may be loathsome but not cowardly. These, however, do not qualify.

Posted by: JPS at April 19, 2013 01:10 PM (9KcvD)

49 I don't know if I'd call someone who drove over his own brothers face a 'coward'. I can think of hundreds of descriptions from DSM IV or V (or whatever version we're up to) but coward isn't one of them. Certainly someone who needs to be separated from society for the next ten decades. After a 'fair and balanced' interrogation with a 12 volt battery and testicle clamps.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 19, 2013 01:10 PM (feFL6)

50 not only is violence being held to certain purposes, but the soldier who adheres to such a code is increasing the chances of his own death in order to reduce the danger to non-soldiers.

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This. ^^^

Doing what needs to be done, doing  the right thing because if you do not step up no one else will, doing it in spite of the danger and at great personal cost to yourself is courage.

Doing harm because of your hateful anger, doing it to deliberately harm the innocent, including the purposeful targeting of children, has no relation to the word "courage".  It has more to do with the word "evil".

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:10 PM (P6QsQ)

51 William Munny... coward.

Posted by: Little Bill Daggett at April 19, 2013 01:10 PM (Y1Ff4)

52 Nicely written but I could have saved you 500 words.  Placing a bomb next to an 8 year old is not "heroic" by any understanding of the word.  Nuff said.

Posted by: Shtetl G at April 19, 2013 01:10 PM (dlzlR)

53 Now let's work on the definition of "gentleman."  I keep hearing that term used for these terrorist scumbags, and THEY ARE NOT GENTLEMEN!!!!!  Latest one to use it was Michael Scheuer, ex-CIA - of ALL people, he should know better.  I have listened to Shep Smith call policemen "cops" for years, but heaven forbid we insult a terrorist....

Posted by: George W Beagle's Mom at April 19, 2013 01:10 PM (cq1ke)

54 William Bonney was a coward.

***

The song says it was a dirty little coward shot shot Mr. Howard, Howard being the pseudonym used by Jesse James.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 19, 2013 01:10 PM (Hx5uv)

55 Attacking civilians, unaware, is cowardice. Smuggling bombs in next to people who have no idea you're going to kill them isn't courage. Killing the unarmed unprovoked is complete cowardice.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 01:11 PM (MMC8r)

56 32 "Me thinks Erik Erickson is an idiot who rides in the choom wagon"

He's been doing a little too much Chechen Chong.

. . .

I'll show myself out

Posted by: The Q at April 19, 2013 01:11 PM (XQzGn)

57 When someone is a lunatic or so brain washed by something like a hate filled religion like islam, then words have to take on different meanings. And anyone who kills little children and innocent people with this kinds of reckless disregard is a coward and worse. In fact coward is one of the nicer things I would call them.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:11 PM (jE38p)

58 Well said as usual, Ace. On the other hand, I recall those pics we saw yesterday of the punk-ass jihadis running away from the scene, and I think of Bierce's old definition: "Coward: One who, in a perilous emergency, thinks with his legs." It's a word with some depth and history, to be sure.

Posted by: garycooper at April 19, 2013 01:11 PM (ry/38)

59 ooh jenna lee big eyes full lips she's trying to tempt me away from Megyn Kelly. she promises she'll never tell Megyn. it will be our secret she says

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:11 PM (ZPrif)

60

Well done Ace.

 

Bill Maher made the same mistake after 9/11 when he said that the terrorists weren't cowards.

 

Of course they were.  They "martyred" themselves for Jihad.  The only guaranteed way to get to heaven.  Rather than live a good life and let God sort it out once you die, they took the easy path and in their minds and religion, took the easiest route to paradise.

 

Cowards indeed.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 19, 2013 01:12 PM (tVTLU)

61 That we're even having this discussion is just a sign that the democrat pr machine is a little peeved that they can't really use this crisis to their advantage.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 19, 2013 01:12 PM (WrIV3)

62 31 -

Drone pilots are not cowards, but they're not engaged in combat in any manner that suggest valor is involved either.  Skill, maybe, but valor?  No.

Give them awards for being good joystick operators, or whatever, but if you're awarding them the same medals as men on battlefields, fighting ships, or planes, you're doing it wrong. 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2013 01:12 PM (BeSEI)

63 Remember when Obama called terrorists "folks". Then in the same breath he called Americans, out in the country' "folks".

Posted by: tony redenzo at April 19, 2013 01:12 PM (H3SNW)

64 "Coward" will now join the  pantheon of gang raped  words.  It will take its place alongside such past superstars as "Liberal", "Investment", "Welfare", and "Nazi" .

Posted by: Jaws at April 19, 2013 01:12 PM (4I3Uo)

65 What sort of bravery does it take to plant time bombs, in the middle of a crowd, and then sneak away, when no one was looking for you in the first place? Chicken shit, lily livered worms. After all their holy book tells them to lie and deceive in order to achieve a victory. Bravery is any US soldier. Or a starved Joo with a molotov cocktail against the Waffen SS and Schutzpolizei in Warsaw. Piss be upon Islam.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:13 PM (tqLft)

66 Han Solo, shooting first, under the table... yup, cowardly.

Posted by: Zombie Greedo at April 19, 2013 01:13 PM (Y1Ff4)

67 Excellent post, Ace.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 19, 2013 01:13 PM (DuH+r)

68
These guys aren't cowards, nor are they courageous.

I think of them as evil opportunists. They identify ways to inflict harm on innocents and they seize upon the opportunity. Almost anybody can do that...provided they have the will and motivation.


Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:13 PM (+oin+)

69 "COWARDS!!!": http://tinyurl.com/bt5jng8

Posted by: Slappy at April 19, 2013 01:13 PM (LTbLf)

70 Marco Rubio is a coward.

Posted by: Rush at April 19, 2013 01:13 PM (Cs2tJ)

71

I think a lot of the knightly code of 'honor' was more of a romance thing than a reality. Wouldn't be shocked if it was the same with the Old West. Those were hard and brutal times and it took hard and brutal people to survive and thrive.

 

Posted by: AdamPM at April 19, 2013 01:13 PM (x61Z7)

72

sure they can

BUSH LET TWO TERRORISTS IN THE COUNTRY!!!!

ZOMG!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 19, 2013 01:13 PM (UJm0p)

73 By: Erick Erickson (Diary) On Monday, two young men planted bombs in Boston and last night killed a policeman before one of them was, himself, killed. The other remains on the run. Politicians have thrown around the word “cowards” to describe these guys. Do they not know what the word means? The basic definition is “a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.” These young men have endured danger and caused unpleasantness. Call the monsters. Call them evil. But cowards? I don’t think it fits. *************** Yes it fits Erikson perfectly. "Men" who drop bags full of explosives and nails-- behind the backs of a mother and her eight year old child-- that dies--, and the other girl child who ends up minus a leg? A vermin that drops a weapon like that while their victim's backs are turned and then runs of like a ferret? Erick Erickson has never been more wrong.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (r2PLg)

74 Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 19, 2013 05:08 PM (evdj2)

Agreed.

Hopefully the cops didn't have time to set up the barrier, otherwise they were bad at it, and that worries me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (/WLC3)

75

Angler and Velvet:

 

Yes, my exact thoughts in the prior post.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (tVTLU)

76 Let's not forget the British thought we were "Cowardly" for killing their asses while they marched instead of on the field of battle. Shit happens.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (wR+pz)

77 First.

Posted by: Tommy's gap-toothed and slow-witted Bush-hating wife at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (x9s9/)

78 Me thinks Sir Erick talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded. He considers it brave to do anything he's afraid to do, like sailing or peeing in public.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (4cRnj)

79

Jebus.  Beck's take and update on this mess is worth the price of subscribing.  The young MIT cop who was killed still had his gun in his holster.  American citizens are cowering in their houses, showing the terrorists how afraid we are.  A Friday evening in Boston looks like the streets of Chernobyl.

 

Most importantly, Barry's never gonna let a good crisis...look for more liberties to be lost in the coming days unless people speak up.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (orY9d)

80 Oh to be sure,our enemies consider UAVs or air strikes cowardly.Fuck them,they are combatants,you kill the other guy without giving them a chance to kill you.That's good sense and its war.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (dBYCN)

81 Just plain fucking wrong. They are cowards. As well as evil, vicious, murdering terrorist slime. Yes, sneaking into a crowd of innocent bystanders and placing a bomb at the feet of a child is fucking cowardice. It's also a stupid-ass distraction argument and a simple rebuttal is all that's deserved.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (qyfb5)

82 No news in many, many hours. I wonder what's up?

Posted by: Chris M at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (b3vSq)

83 Bravery is any US soldier. Or a starved Joo with a molotov cocktail against the Waffen SS and Schutzpolizei in Warsaw. Piss be upon Islam. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 05:13 PM (tqLft) I like the way you phrase things. It's almost as if you write for a living?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:14 PM (jE38p)

84 Very nice, Ace. Another thing, too: courage, the opposite of cowardice, is amazing to see in real-life. I've been lucky to have known some really brave men. Courage is beautiful.

Posted by: troyriser at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (vtiE6)

85 79 If our enemies take this lesson to heart we are in trouble.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (dBYCN)

86 I know it has likely been said upthread, but this definition of "cowardly" fits the left perfectly and in fact explains their success.

Posted by: Truman North at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (ny+t0)

87 Don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but the older brother was named after Tamerlane, the devout Muslim ruler and conqueror, who called himself "The Sword of Islam."

So we should look into their parents' ideology, methinks. Maybe these apples didn't roll too far from the family tree.

Posted by: Beverly at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (Y5mA1)

88 Hey don't knock Erick too much -- he's not trying to defend the terrorists. He just doesn't know what "cowardly" actually means, and how it's been used throughout history. The Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor was called "cowardly" not because the sailors and pilots of the Japanese fleet were afraid to fight, but because they violated the basic rule of combat (fair notice) in order to disadvantage their opponents and advantage themselves. Honor has a cost. Soldiers pay that cost in their own blood. Murderers are not willing to pay that cost. That's why there aren't many statues honoring murderers.

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (LCRYB)

89
These guys went toe to toe, so to speak, with dozens of armed officers. Cowards? Not really.

Desperados, more accurately.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (LVtr+)

90 Boy, the aunt is full of shit.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (y2XjR)

91 "These guys aren't cowards, nor are they courageous. I think of them as evil opportunists. They identify ways to inflict harm on innocents and they seize upon the opportunity. Almost anybody can do that...provided they have the will and motivation. " --- Indeed.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (7mQyC)

92 the turd's carcass (morbid): http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/tamerlan-tsarnaev-post-mortem-photo-478612

Posted by: Suffer, Terrorist Scum at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (bT79U)

93 That code, note, puts the Soldier's own life at risk. The soldier, by using violence in a highly regulated way and being careful to not attack non-combatants, actually puts his own life in greater danger than it would otherwise be. By restricting his own Rules of Engagement and choice of tactics and targets, he increases the likelihood he himself will be killed.

A minor quibble: A drone pilot commits violence but does not put his own life at risk.  Nonetheless, his is a necessary and morally commendable function.  Likewise, one could argue that Paul Tibbetts really didn't put his life at risk.  There was very little anticipated resistance to his Hiroshima mission.  Therefore, neither act of really intense violence is one of courage, yet it is still a good thing.  It doesn't mean those involved aren't brave or strong, just that they didn't need to risk life and limb to commit violence.  But neither does it mean they were cowardly.  Ah, I think maybe that's your point.

Or am I overthinking this?

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (6TB1Z)

94 Also note re: the anti-self-defense idiots like Jay Mohr and company, that because 1st bomber corpse's DV incident, he was likely prohibited from owning a firearm under federal law (don't know about MA, but likely the same). And re: 2nd bomber's future corpse, I wonder if it had the proper MA firearm identification card or license to carry.

And so, of course, we need further laws that would have prevented these heinous acts?

Posted by: assault flounder at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (Kkt/i)

95 Nice post. This seems obvious, so I have no idea what double-Erick is talking about.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:15 PM (XYSwB)

96

ugggh

msnbc is droning about the trip to Russia

how about they became extremists because of their muslim teachings here?

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (UJm0p)

97 Good point about his shit being all retarded. And he did sound kinda faggy and shit. No go way, I'm batin'.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (ZPrif)

98 I think a lot of the knightly code of 'honor' was more of a romance thing than a reality. Posted by: AdamPM at April 19, 2013 05:13 PM (x61Z7) Ideals are always observed imperfectly, just less imperfectly than when they are abandoned.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (qyfb5)

99 Most importantly, Barry's never gonna let a good crisis...look for more liberties to be lost in the coming days unless people speak up.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 19, 2013 05:14 PM (orY9d)

That gun grabbing RINO cocksucker Peter King is greasing the skids.

Posted by: Attila at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (Cs2tJ)

100 On scanner....something something appears to be their target?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (eyJh9)

101 Well-done and well-written, Ace.

Posted by: GuyfromNH at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (kbOju)

102 Scanner saying they may have the target

Posted by: Shonuff at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (jo0fs)

103 Perhaps these terrorist brothers decided to target children when they saw all the attention paid to nearby Newtown.  Perhaps they realized the more children involved, the bigger story it would become, the bigger the threat posed.  Especially as if some are speculating that this was not going to be the end of their terror strikes.  Perhaps they has schools targeted as well, as in Beslan.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (P6QsQ)

104 Radio: Subject in custody "appears, just appears to be our target, the guy in the white hat, still being processed by HRT, can't confirm at this point"

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:16 PM (7mQyC)

105 >>>A minor quibble: A drone pilot commits violence but does not put his own life at risk. Nonetheless, his is a necessary and morally commendable function. Well the code has changed to permit different tactics (on one is required to engage in single hand-to-hand combat if challenged anymore!) but we're still pretty firm on the target list.

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 01:17 PM (LCRYB)

106 78 Me thinks Sir Erick talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded. He considers it brave to do anything he's afraid to do, like sailing or peeing in public.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 19, 2013 05:14 PM (4cRnj)

I'm mostly with you but easy on using the inability to pee in public as a subtle insult. Some of us are afflicted with a devastating condition known as "stagefright" when urinating in public rest rooms.

Posted by: Slappy at April 19, 2013 01:17 PM (LTbLf)

107 Excellent post by the way.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 19, 2013 01:17 PM (4cRnj)

108 Oh to be sure,our enemies consider UAVs or air strikes cowardly.Fuck them,they are combatants,you kill the other guy without giving them a chance to kill you.That's good sense and its war. Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 05:14 PM (dBYCN) And of course there is another huge difference. whether by drone strikes on on the ground in person, we ( The USA and Western Powers and Israel) do NOT try intentionally to inflict harm onto innocent bystanders. of course in War that happens, but that is not our intention. And it is the intention of these fuckin islamic cowards. There only aim is to inflict pain, suffering, and fear on the innocents.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:17 PM (jE38p)

109 Mall fly @ 22: link please?

Posted by: Truman North at April 19, 2013 01:17 PM (ny+t0)

110

It is most important to remember that jihad is the only guaranteed way straight to heaven.  That's why it's not cowardice to commit jihad and then die as a result.

 

In fact, committing jihad and dying really is pure cowardice because it means that they were not willing to advance on their own merit into the afterlife.

 

Radical islam is not irrational, neither is martyrdom, once you understand it.  Andrew McCarthy has been making this point for ages.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 19, 2013 01:18 PM (tVTLU)

111 Coward: Members of the White Huse Press Corps who don't ask how many other violent criminals Obama decided not to deport. Coward:. Public figures who refuse to use the words Islamic or Muslim to describe these guys.

Posted by: Jean at April 19, 2013 01:18 PM (z6Elp)

112 45 Chrismas in April, to watch the English/PakistaniMartin Bashir and the Capitalist hating Chris Mathews report on an American hating terrorist.Posted by: tony redenzo at April 19, 2013 05:09 PM (H3SNW)


Are you watching them right now? Will have to summarize for the rest of us that don't have the cables/cannot stand watching their faces. Where is my popcorn?

Posted by: LizLem at April 19, 2013 01:18 PM (8wqqE)

113 So your saying I am a fucking coward? British scum.

Posted by: The Swamp Fox at April 19, 2013 01:18 PM (wR+pz)

114 Where da hell is this punk? Starting to look like he must have had help, getting away. Either that, or he's holding some poor soul hostage, like Doehrn was doing for awhile.

Posted by: garycooper at April 19, 2013 01:18 PM (ry/38)

115 @31
Sorry, I see you beat me to the point.

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 01:18 PM (6TB1Z)

116 No news in many, many hours. I wonder what's up?


Bled out, got away, or is being hidden by others.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 01:18 PM (d0Dmj)

117

Gun nuts are crazy for guns.  I saw study that say any time person get one gun they get average 13 guns.  Who need 13 guns?  Everyone so stupid.

Posted by: Tommy's gap-toothed and slow-witted Bush-hating wife at April 19, 2013 01:18 PM (x9s9/)

118 Watching channel 2 news reporter give background on the 2 terrorists. Reporter actually brought up suspect's history of criminal charge and muslim connection. I . Am. Amazed. Could reporters actually be waking up?

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at April 19, 2013 01:19 PM (IpXQJ)

119 88 Hey don't knock Erick too much -- he's not trying to defend the terrorists. *********** Na--he deserves to be knocked. He's trolling for attention must be sad for him now that CNN doesn't give him face time. And he is doing it in an unoriginal style-- Early Bill Maher.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:19 PM (r2PLg)

120 This is also a reminder that Islam desperately needs to be mocked more. Muslims need a good dose of blasphemy. Muhammad was not the prophet. The Koran is not the word of God. That needs to be said loudly and often so muslims hear it and get used to it. The rest of us hear our most cherished beliefs mocked and denied and insulted all the time. The Muslims are the only ones who don't get the same treatment.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:19 PM (ZPrif)

121 I am telling you guys. He bled out somewhere. He is dead behind a dumpster or something

Posted by: Shonuff at April 19, 2013 01:19 PM (jo0fs)

122 I hate Coward. All he does is whine and hate on the Cowboys.

Posted by: George Costanza at April 19, 2013 01:19 PM (5wHPS)

123 Meanwhile, Tubby Riefenstahl (aka Michael Moore) takes to Twitter to blame America. In other news, water is wet.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:19 PM (tqLft)

124 There was very little anticipated resistance to his Hiroshima mission. Therefore, neither act of really intense violence is one of courage, yet it is still a good thing. It doesn't mean those involved aren't brave or strong, just that they didn't need to risk life and limb to commit violence. But neither does it mean they were cowardly. Ah, I think maybe that's your point. Or am I overthinking this? Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 05:15 PM (6TB1Z) Ah I would not include the Hiroshima bombing as not heroic. They didn't know if they might crash on take off or if the bomb might not go off accidently on the way or if the shock wave would not destroy the plane. Believe me it was heroic

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (jE38p)

125

Erick is just trying to be Mr. Hip contrarian. Yea Erick, he's not a coward, sure o.k. Go tell that to the families of the dead and injured to their face. Otherwise you're the coward.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (u0Z3Y)

126 Hello  Boston! 

Posted by: Barry: POTUS 4 Life at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (ypzqs)

127 Wait, killing all my prisoners was cowardly? Fuck you Yankee rebel.

Posted by: Col Tarelton at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (wR+pz)

128 Coward and Piven.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (tqLft)

129 Well now, at least the 8 year old boy was murdered at the hands of heroes.


That should comfort everyone

Posted by: Strife at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (Ul1S7)

130 Agreed completely Ace. Eric's piece reminds of something I'd see posted online by one of those 19 year old philosophy experts. You know them when you see stupid diatribes like the one written by Eric Erickson and frequent use of the word "sheep."

Posted by: ElKomandante at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (Ew7nO)

131 @ 128 Noel Coward and Jeremy Piven???

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (tqLft)

132 If he bled out there should have been a blood trail.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (ZPrif)

133 Actually, Erick Erickson is still a scrunt.  We didn't let Bill Maher off the hook when he cavilled like this back on 9/11, we're not letting Erickson off the hook.

Seriously, this is the guy who also endorsed Mark Sanford.  Time to cut this useless turd loose.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (bcLhD)

134 Maybe Erickx2 has been up all night, and is tired.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:20 PM (XYSwB)

135 Cowardice requires hating others and loving oneself.

Courage requires loving something or someone more than oneself.  

Posted by: T. Hunter at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (EZl54)

136 "Starting to look like he must have had help, getting away" --- Not saying he didn't but a guy that made it out of the firefight outnumbered about 25-30/2 probably doesn't need too much help getting out of dodge or finding a creative hiding spot.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (7mQyC)

137 121 I am telling you guys. He bled out somewhere. He is dead behind a dumpster or something Agreed.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (wR+pz)

138 Another press conference in 10 minutes??? Are they going to say the same old shit?

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (y2XjR)

139 On the subject of the martial code I've heard a groin shot with a sword was a big NO NO in the middle ages. Like painting a target on yourself that reads "insert furious vengeance here."

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (q177U)

140 Adam. You raise a legit point. For instance the rules of chivalry only applied to noble women. Female secs were consider fair game for sexual abuse. ( don't shoot me for tarnishing the Knightly Ideal- I do believe in it - I'm a romantic in that sense; Might for Right forever! ).

Posted by: I'd Rather Be Surfin at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (g5wi5)

141

122   hate on the Cowboys

ever read one of the football posts here?

check between the 600 SHARP ELBOWS/BACKFAT!!! posts

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (UJm0p)

142

Oh no.  It takes nothing but pure courage to bleed to death in a sewer manhole.

Posted by: Erick Erickson at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (wAQA5)

143 the ultimate irony - the police are reporting the younger scumbag escaped by driving over his brother's carcass on the street, in the car-jacked mercedes - the one with the 'Co-Exist' sticker on it.

Posted by: Suffer, Terrorist Scum at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (bT79U)

144 132 If he bled out there should have been a blood trail. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 05:20 PM (ZPrif) Tiny red dots all over the floor....

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (tqLft)

145 132 If he bled out there should have been a blood trail. According to the NY Slime there was one, and they lost the trail.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:21 PM (wR+pz)

146

I am telling you guys. He bled out somewhere. He is dead behind a dumpster or something


Agreed.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 05:21 PM (wR+pz)

====

I thought that all day. Or he ducked into some rabbit hole and ate a bullet. I hope.

Posted by: George Costanza at April 19, 2013 01:22 PM (5wHPS)

147 Boston scanner is saying  "white hat guy" cuffed. Roll Boston PD!

Posted by: pat dye's liver at April 19, 2013 01:22 PM (tYCwA)

148

No news in many, many hours. I wonder what's up?

 

Cavuto had a MA eyewitness on who overheard the cops say that the other brother was hit and they have confirmation that some blood confirms his DNA.  They're expecting to get him fairly soon with a 99% certainty.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 19, 2013 01:22 PM (orY9d)

149 96 ugggh msnbc is droning about the trip to Russia
how about they became extremists because of their muslim teachings here?Posted by: navycopjoe at April 19, 2013 05:16 PM (UJm0p)


Yes, because ONE trip is all it takes to switch the flip! Idiots.

Posted by: LizLem at April 19, 2013 01:22 PM (8wqqE)

150 The Code?


Respect the land, defend the defenseless and don't never spit in front of women and children.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (53z96)

151 Half the people here thinks he bled out somewhere.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (4cRnj)

152 I'm sad that we can't torture him. I mean that they find him injured and inflict more pain on him while transporting him to a hospital where he quickly dies. He may have a baby face but he is fucking evil.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (y2XjR)

153 "42 An easy way to avoid debate over the proper use of "coward"?

Instead refer to them simply as evil.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 19, 2013 05:09 PM (SY2Kh)"



Right, it's not as if English is lacking in the appropriate terminology such that "coward" or its derivatives are required.

Posted by: BS Inc. at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (gZ2Xq)

154 No, not inclined to lay off Erick. He's a dope, as is any English-speaking literate adult who needs the meaning of "cowardly" explained to him. I don't think Bill Maher was any less of a dope when he was insisting that the 9/11 hijackers weren't cowards because they were "brave" enough to be suicidal as well as murderous. It's an idiot's idea of what bravery and cowardice are, therefore Maher and Erickson are both idiots, Erickson a little less so.

Posted by: Gundo at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (WSULF)

155 147 Boston scanner is saying "white hat guy" cuffed. Roll Boston PD! Posted by: pat dye's liver at April 19, 2013 05:22 PM (tYCwA) For realz?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (tqLft)

156 Erickson is a douche bag, I have no interest in his take on this.

Posted by: Ken Royall at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (x0g8a)

157 121 I am telling you guys. He bled out somewhere. He is dead behind a dumpster or something Agreed. Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 05:21 PM (wR+pz) You'ld think someone would have seen him by now, then.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (XYSwB)

158 Boston scanner is saying "white hat guy" cuffed. Roll Boston PD! I seem to have heard that before.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (MMC8r)

159
If he was dead, the dogs woulda found him by now.

He's still on the run. He could be 100 miles away by now.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (NLH1M)

160 The trip to Russia might have been to a Chechen terror training camp though.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (dBYCN)

161 I went to the store today and bought orange juice, bread, lightbulbs and ammo.  Funny thing about the ammo, I don't even think I have a gun for that caliber. But there it was and there I was so ......

I think "Be Prepared" is a good motto for April.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (P6QsQ)

162 I'm glad people remember Bill Maher made the same mistake about 9/11.

Of course they're cowards.  Anyone who is unable to understand this is a dipshit, this guy included.  This is a pretty good litmus test for intelligence, IMO.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (zpqa2)

163
These young men have endured danger...

Erick Erickson




If I had sons, they would look like Dzhokhar and Tamerlan....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (kdS6q)

164 105 >>>A minor quibble: A drone pilot commits violence but does not put his own life at risk. Nonetheless, his is a necessary and morally commendable function. Well the code has changed to permit different tactics (on one is required to engage in single hand-to-hand combat if challenged anymore!) but we're still pretty firm on the target list. Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 05:17 PM (LCRYB) ************* Maybe some people need a refresher. We followed the terrorists over into Pakistan and all there other little hide outs. It is their acts of cowardice that precipitated the situation. What do people expect? That it's some trivial game of tag and just because the terrorist do not honor nation state boundaries once they cross a border they are-- home free on some base --where they can no longer be tagged?

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (r2PLg)

165 scanner...negotiating taking one at a time?

Posted by: willow at April 19, 2013 01:23 PM (nqBYe)

166 All day I'm checking out the news and  thinking "gotta get to the HQ".

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (5wHPS)

167 I've been out - don't know if it's been covered here.  The older brother was married and has a kid.  His mother-in-law is a children's advocate.  Ironic,  huh?

Posted by: Dang at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (R18D0)

168 RINO Brown is on

Posted by: Pecos Bill at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (53z96)

169 OK saw pic of suspect #1 in morgue-- looking good. better than he deserves. But I don't see any piss, ham, or bacon on his body? Are my eyes going?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (jE38p)

170
Local news here is not reporting any thing about any arrest.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (xIzGn)

171 I like the term ASSHOLE with no question mark.

Posted by: NCKate at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (J/Yaf)

172 I hope Bricktop finds him so he can feed him to the pigs...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (tqLft)

173

Well now, at least the 8 year old boy was murdered at the hands of heroes.

 

Yeah, just like those 200 school children in Beslan. The Chechens are nice folks, huh?

Posted by: RushBabe at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (orY9d)

174 How about a drone strike on the old man?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:24 PM (P3dtw)

175

Hopefully the cops didn't have time to set up the barrier, otherwise they were bad at it, and that worries me.

 

Roadblock?  Those sum'bitches couldn't close an umbrella!

Posted by: Sheriff Buford T. Justice at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (BAS5M)

176 We followed the terrorists over into Pakistan and all *their* other little hide outs.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (r2PLg)

177 On the subject of the martial code I've heard a groin shot with a sword was a big NO NO in the middle ages. Like painting a target on yourself that reads "insert furious vengeance here."

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 19, 2013 05:21 PM (q177U

 

I love the King of the Hill episode where Bobby accidentally signs up for a women's self defense class.   His go to move was to yell 'let go of my purse!'  and a  kick to the crotch.  

 

Hank tried to explain to him 'that's just not right'.  

Posted by: polynikes at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (m2CN7)

178 ~2 hours till sundown. Radio: paraphrasing - HRT has one person out, person not MrWhite, having to coax additional possible suspects out of a house, doing it one at a time - ongoing.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (7mQyC)

179 they were dishonorable rather than 'cowardly'


lotsa people already done said it, but now it's my turn


also, Muslims------avoiding that term, most of the MFM is....

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville, maintaining a simulacrum of normality at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (Dll6b)

180 Throws a "serf" up there on #140 and pulls down the "sec" put in by autocorrect and gives it a kick

Posted by: I'd Rather Be Surfin at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (g5wi5)

181 88. Only tenure.

Posted by: Golfman at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (p6RSq)

182 Boston scanner is saying "white hat guy" cuffed. Roll Boston PD! Posted by: pat dye's liver at April 19, 2013 05:22 PM (tYCwA) I must be listening to the wrong scanner.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (XYSwB)

183 Eurasian trash. There will be more blood.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (P3dtw)

184 I don't want him taken alive. I want him taken mostly dead and stepped on while being cuffed so he experiences great pain before he kicks the bucket in transport.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (y2XjR)

185 Imagine a Goodyear Radial pressing into your own brothers face, forever.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 19, 2013 01:25 PM (feFL6)

186 How about a drone strike on the old man?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 05:24 PM (P3dtw)

 

You already had me raped by four robots!  What more do you want?

Posted by: Old Man in MA at April 19, 2013 01:26 PM (ggRof)

187

"That gun grabbing RINO cocksucker Peter King is greasing the skids."

 

That's "gun grabbing RINO cocksucker STATIST Peter King to you, subject.

Posted by: Peter King, better than you at April 19, 2013 01:26 PM (4I3Uo)

188 FBI HRT or locals?

Posted by: Jean at April 19, 2013 01:26 PM (z6Elp)

189 I'm not eleventy over it, but Erickson earned some crap for his post. It was sloppy and unhelpful.

Posted by: Y-not at April 19, 2013 01:26 PM (5H6zj)

190 174 I'm for it.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:26 PM (dBYCN)

191 179 they were dishonorable rather than 'cowardly' lotsa people already done said it, but now it's my turn also, Muslims------avoiding that term, most of the MFM is.... Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville, maintaining a simulacrum of normality at April 19, 2013 05:25 PM (Dll6b) Islam in and of itself is not honorable.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 19, 2013 01:26 PM (tqLft)

192 Listening to scanner, sure doesn't sound like they have anything now.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (wR+pz)

193 Radio: paraphrasing - HRT has one person out, person not MrWhite, having to coax additional possible suspects out of a house, doing it one at a time - ongoing.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 05:25 PM (7mQyC)


so  if they are Not Mr White Hat why are they not appearing , so police can move on?

Posted by: willow at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (nqBYe)

194 Enjoyed that. Thanks.

Posted by: USA at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (RIg+t)

195 As to the British: I read somewhere that they Brits had an open shot at GW and didn't take it because gentlemen didn't target officers.  This was really stupid, but like it or not, the self-imposed Brit ROE severely handicapped them.  We didn't have such scruples.

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (6TB1Z)

196 Somebody pointed out how these asshats were laughing and smiling while places the bombs. I don't think sociopaths are as always easily identifiable. Many function quite well and only some of their behavior indicates they are sick fucks. We all know people like this. Most don't kill.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (y2XjR)

197 # 169, well, his junk could have been bacon wrapped... Not that I can push my hatred for terrorists any higher, but these guys, who America was so kind to, letting a family of worthless trash in, only to be attacked by, yes, cowards... Scumbags. I hope they suffer/ suffered...

Posted by: Suffer, Terrorist Scum at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (bT79U)

198 whine and hate on the Cowboys

Style guide violation, use lower case c and other gender in the future.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (epxV4)

199 I find it hard to believe that a photo of the dead Islamist brother was leaked to the internet -- especially so soon. Come on, now. Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 05:26 PM (1WM2H) Well me thinkith the scum does not have many friends in that Boston Hospital

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (jE38p)

200 Is that Ace doing the mics?

Posted by: Pecos Bill at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (53z96)

201 who's in custody?

gah unrelated?

Posted by: willow at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (nqBYe)

202 If he's not dead already, he's gone after night falls.

Posted by: Golfman at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (p6RSq)

203 Fat, cocooned, punctilious, uneducated, not too bright, and possessing far too    much time on one's hands, is not any way to go through life, son. 

Posted by: Dean Wormer at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (pmsMR)

204

185  Imagine a Goodyear Radial pressing into your own brothers face, forever

 

my sisters would do that and giggle

bitches

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (UJm0p)

205 Erick Erickson is a brave American, as were these victims of Islamophobia.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (4cRnj)

206 >>>Erick is just trying to be Mr. Hip contrarian. i really don't think so. I think he's trying to make the conservative point that Words Have Meaning-- but he has a very narrow, ahistoric meaning of "cowardly" in mind. He knows Definition One, but not definition Two through Five nor the synonyms (dishonorable, ignoble, ignominious...)

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (LCRYB)

207 Here is link for scanner. http://tinyurl.com/csnrbjn

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (wR+pz)

208 ah, I heard it someone is in custody conducting sealed interviews, now

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (XYSwB)

209 How about a drone strike on the old man? After four robots? The poor man needs a fluffer, not a drone.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (eyJh9)

210

Rethink, Ace.  Snipers don't fight fair.  Before I joined the SE Asian War Games, I was taught not to fight fair.  US fighter pilots supported by AWACS against 2nd & 3rd stringers called it "killing baby seals." 

Let's just call them evil.

Posted by: air65cav at April 19, 2013 01:27 PM (uO5Ed)

211 Since the Ninja were the antithesis of the Samurai, weren't they also 'cowards' by their rejection of the standard code of conduct?  They employed tactics that Samurai would never consider.

Can Eric Holder legitimately call the American people 'cowards' because they don't live up to his own Marxist code?

Who gets to set the standard for the ideal citizen?  Who get's to say just what 'the code' is?

Posted by: gastorgrab at April 19, 2013 01:28 PM (FX38i)

212 Bleeding perps tend to be quite easy prey for tracking dogs.

I doubt this twerp is hurt.

Posted by: Strife at April 19, 2013 01:28 PM (Ul1S7)

213 192 - They don't, that 5:22 post was incorrect.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:28 PM (7mQyC)

214 they are cowards because they attack civilians they are cowards because they kill women and children they are cowards because they hide among us

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 01:28 PM (Ivw5/)

215 Father about bombing victims on CNN: "Thank Allah that they didn't suffer." POS.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:28 PM (P3dtw)

216 someone is in custody
conducting sealed interviews, now

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 05:27 PM (XYSwB)


yeah and another in the house.


still i don't know if it IS related

Posted by: willow at April 19, 2013 01:28 PM (nqBYe)

217

I don't know why we have all these nuclear weapons if we can't hit Ptrosk.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 01:29 PM (5wHPS)

218 wait did he just ask for swat?

Posted by: willow at April 19, 2013 01:29 PM (nqBYe)

219

Sorry.... do not agree Ace...

 

Cowardly is NOT used in Warrior circles for those who deviate from the code... you can be Brave, but wrong...

 

We consider Suicide attacks as wrong... but you cannot question their commitment nor bravery when they do them... especialy if they are following their OWN Code.... you mention Bushido, which has a component of suicide within it... somthing NON Warriors from the West might consider cowardice...

 

I will also point out, that these guys had a running gun and bomb fight with the Police... instead of surrendering...

 

Call em Crazy... call em Evil.... call the deluded... but people tend to throw around unfounded terms IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 01:29 PM (lZBBB)

220 not enough info on the scanner boston fox not reporting anything

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 01:29 PM (XYSwB)

221 so if they are Not Mr White Hat why are they not appearing , so police can move on?


After the Kalifornia response with jumpy cops, would you be so eager to just rush out? Especially if they think YOU are who they are looking for?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 01:29 PM (d0Dmj)

222 sock off

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2013 01:29 PM (53z96)

223 I've been praying that perhaps the guy stumbled into a church somewhere as a sanctuary, and while hiding there has been reading the Bible and has given his life to Jesus and has told the minister to call the cops, that he wants to surrender and asks for forgiveness, but also wants the death penalty as a sign of sincere repentence.


These are how my revenge fantasies run.  Pretty lame, I know.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (P6QsQ)

224 Well, you can imagine that the house to house searching is probably catching some people on unrelated crimes. If you are a drug dealer in the lockdown search area you are kinda screwed.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (ZPrif)

225 150 Pecas Bill That sums up it Wyatt Earp

Posted by: I'd Rather Be Surfin at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (g5wi5)

226 Hey! Lay off Erick! He's not trying to defend the terrorists. He just doesn't know what "cowardly" actually means, and how it's been used throughout history. This is an etymological failing, not a moral one. ********** It actually does perhaps border on a moral lapse. In don't know if you missed this but Erick Erickson wrote this: These young men have endured danger and caused unpleasantness. Let's talk about who he is asking you to empathize with in his very brief bloggation. These "young" men. Then think about how Erick Erickson uses the word-- endure here. These young men did not have to "endure" anything-- they always had a choice. Their victims did not.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (r2PLg)

227

Friend said they said wasn't him now.

Posted by: pat dye's liver at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (tYCwA)

228 Comment of the day: American Chechyans have come home to roast.

Posted by: Last thread at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (1rkDV)

229 After the Kalifornia response with jumpy cops, would you be so eager to just rush out? Especially if they think YOU are who they are looking for?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 05:29 PM (d0Dmj)


ooh yeah, 


true, true.

Posted by: willow at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (nqBYe)

230 no sign of uber-douche Erik Erickson mourning at the morgue...yet...

Posted by: Suffer, Terrorist Scum at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (bT79U)

231 Some people have a hard time figuring out what those little numbered subsections under words in the dictionary are for.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (qyfb5)

232 >>>Rethink, Ace. Snipers don't fight fair. Before I joined the SE Asian War Games, I was taught not to fight fair. US fighter pilots supported by AWACS against 2nd 3rd stringers called it "killing baby seals." Let's just call them evil. no but tactics change, and when everyone is using snipers, you'd be a fool not to. Snipers are now accepted as part of a military unit (when used for permissible aims). Obviously the Code of Chivalry has to be updated to include FIGHTER JETS and artillery barrages.

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (LCRYB)

233 That's why there aren't many statues honoring murderers.

Statues of politicians are rather common. That's a class of people defined by murderous cowardice.

Though some of them also battled and shit, back in the day. So every statue of a politician not on a horse counts.

And most of the horse ones.

Posted by: oblig. at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (cePv8)

234
I'm just very skeptical, that's all.

And those wounds look dubious -- it looks like that corpse was killed with a bayonette and beaten with a bat.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (vyPsz)

235 224 "Honey,hide the meth lab!"

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (dBYCN)

236

Style guide violation, use lower case c and other gender in the future.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 19, 2013 05:27 PM (epxV4)

-----

fucking beagles fan?

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (5wHPS)

237 Murderers don't give a fuck about your code.  They are ruthless.

Posted by: Fritz at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (gyDll)

238 a coward blows up civilians, women and children this wasn't a suicide attack

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 01:30 PM (Ivw5/)

239 Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 05:29 PM (lZBBB) Maybe but in my opinion that is kinda confusing heroic with desperate.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (jE38p)

240 Whose got the link to the dead terrorist? I need to download it before it disappears. They are already censoring photos.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (y2XjR)

241 I like the term ASSHOLE with no question mark.

Posted by: NCKate at April 19, 2013 05:24 PM (J/Yaf)

Precisely what I was thinking.

Posted by: antisocialist at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (eGr8Z)

242

"Erick is just trying to be Mr. Hip contrarian."

 

AKA contriving a bullshit "angle" that generates site hits and radio callers.  But I'm not cynical.

Posted by: Jaws at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (4I3Uo)

243 Presser coming up at 5:30.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (wR+pz)

244 Batteries. The greens must be loving this, scanner begging for new batteries.

Posted by: weird flunky at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (tlhtD)

245 If he wasn't hit it would have to be a miracle after looking at that bullet riddled car...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (9+ccr)

246 Steve Emerson on Beck's show:  If you want a PhD in terrorism, you go to Chechnya.  They're the most brutal people on the planet, and now they're here.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (orY9d)

247 Well, you can imagine that the house to house searching is probably catching some people on unrelated crimes. If you are a drug dealer in the lockdown search area you are kinda screwed.


Puff puff pass. FASTER!!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (d0Dmj)

248 en·dure /enˈd(y)o͝or/ Verb Suffer (something painful or difficult) patiently. Tolerate (someone or something).

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (r2PLg)

249 Not trying to be the resident hipster douche, but Ace states the martial code "puts the Soldier's own life at risk" and drone pilots most certainly do not do that. Suggest a slightly different definition... Posted by: major major major major at April 19, 2013 05:07 PM (yJDEE) You have to remember al quaeda never wears a uniform, and blends into the population, so it kinda evens it out. Of course I wouldn't say drone jockeys are "brave" either in the same way a pilot is.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 19, 2013 01:31 PM (FsUAO)

250 216 someone is in custody

conducting sealed interviews, now

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 19, 2013 05:27 PM (XYSwB)

yeah and another in the house.
still i don't know if it IS related

Posted by: willow at April 19, 2013 05:28 PM (nqBYe)

Thanks for information.

Posted by: ChrisyBlinky,Sarcastic and Cynical Redneck Queen needs more proof at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (baL2B)

251
re: snipers

As I understand, anyone in the field of battle is a target.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (NLH1M)

252 Big Apple Circus canceled? How dare they!

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (P3dtw)

253
a fair or legit target, that is

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (+oin+)

254 Whose got the link to the dead terrorist? I need to download it before it disappears. They are already censoring photos. Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 05:31 PM (y2XjR) It's on Drudge

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (jE38p)

255 201 who's in custody? --- Everyone they are taking out of a house one by one... and are checking out. Don't even know if thier guys is there yet, though one officer said the first guy out look like mr whitehat, and later backtracked per info from HRT (hostage rescue team). It sounds like some people didn't want to come out of the house so they thought it was a hostage situation at first. <--opinion based on fragments of radio traffic.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (7mQyC)

256 I'd guess that American Jihadis are moving him from safe house to safe house (all according to the original plan which didn't include running over his brother.)

He is a terrorist hero who struck a blow against the Great Satan and lived.

What have collaborators got to fear with this weak joke of an administration presiding over a collapsing national economy?

Posted by: T. Hunter at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (EZl54)

257

Erick,

 

You're a coward because you post some drivel on a blog but would never have the balls to say it to a victim's family to their face would you? (That's a rhetorical question of course)

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (u0Z3Y)

258 Another night of lockdown and your going to have addicts running in the streets.

Posted by: Jean at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (z6Elp)

259 224 "Honey,hide the meth lab!"

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 05:30 PM (dBYCN)

Heh.

Posted by: antisocialist at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (eGr8Z)

260 These are how my revenge fantasies run. Pretty lame, I know. Not lame at all, Mama Winger. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (BVq/X)

261 snipers target enemy combatants, not civilians terrorists are unlawful enemy combatants, not civilians perfectly ok for a sniper to take out a terrorist

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (Ivw5/)

262 Eight year old , ball bearings and nails equals Coward . Fanatic but Coward . Evil but Coward . Violent but Coward . Perhaps Lunatic but Coward . I fail to see the personnel courage it took to place a concealed bomb in the environment of a free and open society . This was not Guns of Navorone . This was not even a suicide bombing . So there goes the politically incorrect "coward" correction . Even a cornered Coward will try to murder and flee .

Posted by: DrDrill at April 19, 2013 01:32 PM (sOFZs)

263 The # subsections in the dictionary is for the stuck-up faggy tards trying to sound all smart. But jokes on them cause they don't even know how their shit is all retarded. Anybody who gives a word more than one meaning is a fucking queer. Now go away, I'm batin'.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:33 PM (ZPrif)

264 @164
Maybe some people need a refresher.

I think you missed my point.  I'm not in any way suggesting that the drone pilot's or anyone else in our military is unjustified.  They are doing God's work, and I thank them for it.   But given the outcry about the medals for drone pilots on sites like this, I think it is safe to say that courage isn't necessarily one of the virtues involved for those folks.  Nonetheless, they have right on their side.

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 01:33 PM (6TB1Z)

265 As I understand, anyone in the field of battle is a target. Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 05:32 PM (NLH1M) Not anymore

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:33 PM (jE38p)

266 Yes, it must have been a Russian trip because no mosque is radical in this country. More likely scenario: discovered a welcoming islamist coffee klatch in mosque and went overseas for training. After all, the mumbai massacre had roots in Illinois.

Posted by: ejo at April 19, 2013 01:33 PM (GXvSO)

267 It is quite ironic that Lord & Taylor first busted the mother for stealing, and then provided the video to bust her terrorist sons.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 19, 2013 01:33 PM (tVTLU)

268 Posted by: USS Diversity

Just a fan of anyone playing against the cowgirls.  Used to live in Arlington, know people who's homes were displaced by that taxpayer funded stadium.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 19, 2013 01:33 PM (epxV4)

269 Snipers don't pick off women and children.Outclassed enemy fighter aircraft are still dangerous,and they are enemy .Best time to kill the enemy is when they are routed,historically where most of the killing occurs.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:33 PM (dBYCN)

270 As I understand, anyone in the field of battle is a target. Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 05:32 PM (NLH1M) Not anymore Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 05:33 PM (jE38p) Now a days you can't leave home without a Jag Officer

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:34 PM (jE38p)

271 105 >>>A minor quibble: A drone pilot commits violence but does not put his own life at risk. Nonetheless, his is a necessary and morally commendable function.
Well the code has changed to permit different tactics (on one is required to engage in single hand-to-hand combat if challenged anymore!) but we're still pretty firm on the target list.
Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 05:17 PM (LCRYB)


Right. During the Revolutionary war, the British saw the way the patriots fought, in the woods and eschewing traditional military formations, as cowardly. However, they were wrong; it was a change of tactics, not a change of honor. They were still on the front lines risking their lives, even if the visuals of that front line changed.


Islamic terrorism is cowardice for the exact reasons you specified; it attacks the innocents of society, the non-soldiers, those that society uses military to protect in times of conflict. It flies in the face of our Western ideas of true warfare. It is also why the groups in the Middle East or Africa that use children as warriors or shields are so despised; traditionally children are to be protected, not seen as weapons to be used and discarded as needed. Excellent post.

Posted by: LizLem at April 19, 2013 01:34 PM (8wqqE)

272 In WWI pilots started out with a great sense of honor.  I've read stories of men who stopped their dogfight once it became clear the other pilot had run out of ammunition. 

Later, however, all that fell apart.  Men got jaded and they did everything they could to knock the other pilot out of the sky.  Some even carried lead bars to drop from above.  They even used pistols as backup when the main gun overheated or failed or ran out of ammunition.  Of course those came in handy too if they went down on the wrong side of no man's land.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 19, 2013 01:34 PM (WhJf8)

273 #240 here's the carcass: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/tamerlan-tsarnaev-post-mortem-photo-478612

Posted by: Suffer, Terrorist Scum at April 19, 2013 01:34 PM (bT79U)

274 256 I'd guess that American Jihadis are moving him from safe house to safe house (all according to the original plan which didn't include running over his brother.) So, you've seen the black helicopters then?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 19, 2013 01:34 PM (5n/ll)

275

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 05:29 PM (lZBBB)

 

A coward would run over their own brother to try to save his own skin.

 

A coward would target innocent children.

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at April 19, 2013 01:34 PM (m2CN7)

276 @264
IOW, I want this warfare to be as asymmetrical as humanly possible.  This is pest control, extermination of vermin, disease mitigation. 

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 01:34 PM (6TB1Z)

277 One of the most difficult things I have read, is when in The Road Past Mandalay, John Masters, behind Jap lines in Burma, realizes that the Japs are closing in, and that his unit must move out or be slaughtered. They have wounded that can not be transported, but they know what will happen to them if the Japs get a hold of them. To stand and fight would be useless, and result in capture of everyone, and subsequent torture by the Japs.  He orders that all the wounded troops incapable of moving out be..., put to death. How does one judge that? War creates hellish situations. I'm not going to get self-righteous second guess him...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 19, 2013 01:34 PM (aDwsi)

278 That's the best post Ace has written in a long time.  Bravo.

Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 01:35 PM (HqXYa)

279 Fucking scandi.

Posted by: Knave at April 19, 2013 01:35 PM (cipri)

280 254 Whose got the link to the dead terrorist? I need to download it before it disappears. They are already censoring photos. Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 05:31 PM (y2XjR) It's on Drudge Posted by: Nevergiveup censored.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:35 PM (y2XjR)

281 256. Hmm. I wonder if that what the Feds wanted him to do? Leaving them a nice list of their associates.

Posted by: I'd Rather Be Surfin at April 19, 2013 01:35 PM (g5wi5)

282 Oh my stars!1 The danger these young men have had to ENDURE. /sarc

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:35 PM (r2PLg)

283 I do bet there are some people in the search area who are shitting their pants for reasons totally unrelated to the terrorist search.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:35 PM (ZPrif)

284
Not anymore

Posted by: Nevergiveup The Lawyers


Improved 72%.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:35 PM (Ba6aP)

285
In short, the cowardly part is not declaring yourself in the fight and attacking people unaware.  If these 2 idiots would have said "hey, we are coming to kill at the marathon it would be one thing, but yes they are cowards.

In the end it really is similar to why there is a 2nd Amendment, people have a unalienable right to defend themselves.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 19, 2013 01:36 PM (jKWYf)

286

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 05:31 PM (jE38p)

 

I can't think of a time while in the military.... or when talking to others in the military... where we talked of those who fought... as cowards...

 

Hell... we consider OUR spys are brave.... because they are on OUR side...

 

IMO its a question of being non precise about who... and what... things are...

 

 

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 01:36 PM (lZBBB)

287 Lord and Taylor doing the work homeland security won't do

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 01:36 PM (Ivw5/)

288 283 I do bet there are some people in the search area who are shitting their pants for reasons totally unrelated to the terrorist search. True dat.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:36 PM (wR+pz)

289 >>>AKA contriving a bullshit "angle" that generates site hits and radio callers. But I'm not cynical. Let me defend him on that, too: What anyone doing this sort of job must do is try to think of things that are clever, counter-intuitive, interesting, provocative, etc. Rush does that every day. So do I. For example, I knew mentioning "bullying" the other day would be provocative. I believed what I said. But I did know "This will inspire debate." And that was an attractive quality to it. As a... god am I a sort of host here? in a way... you do have to occasionally toss out interesting/clever/counter-intutiive/provocative ideas, if you're contributing anything at all to the debate. When you guys debate your own stuff, that's great, but I had nothing to do with that. My contribution only comes in when I propose something in a post and toss it out there. That's my only contribution. Now, look, when your main goal is Trying to Be Interesting (lesser goal: trying to be right), you're going to get things wrong sometimes. I do. So do you guys! I know what you mean about attention-seeking and "Trying to start an argument" but let's face it-- that's his job, that's my job. And it's your hobby !

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 01:36 PM (LCRYB)

290 He's now leading tour groups in Concord

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 01:37 PM (CNKis)

291 "so if they are Not Mr White Hat why are they not appearing , so police can move on?" --- If I had a whole swat looking team outside my house I wouldn't necessarily come out either, probably a case of "Hey marathon guy ain't here, you want to look in my house go get a warrant?", or they're more scared sh1tless of the cops then they are MrWhite, maybe their illegals haha. Who knows.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:37 PM (7mQyC)

292 Loving that Lindsay Graham billboard in the sidebar. Needs to have some 'I'm an illegal alien, and I VOTE' bumperstickers to accompany it.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 01:37 PM (MMC8r)

293 264 @164 Maybe some people need a refresher. I think you missed my point. I'm not in any way suggesting that the drone pilot's or anyone else in our military is unjustified. They are doing God's work, and I thank them for it. But given the outcry about the medals for drone pilots on sites like this, I think it is safe to say that courage isn't necessarily one of the virtues involved for those folks. Nonetheless, they have right on their side. Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 05:33 PM (6TB1Z) ************ pep-- I don't think it was your comment that bothered me.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:37 PM (r2PLg)

294 I mean, we're all looking for "angles," we're all looking for the bon mot, the insight, the novel restatement of old and important ideas, the different take, the new spin, etc. we're creatures of argument and rhetoric or else none of us would be here!

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 01:38 PM (LCRYB)

295 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 05:35 PM (ZPrif)  Yeah flatbush it's a pretty good bet that once everyone realized this was going to be a house to house a shitload of dope was flushed.

Posted by: weird flunky at April 19, 2013 01:38 PM (tlhtD)

296 They planted a bomb, just feet from an eight year old boy, then walked away, as if nothing was wrong, what the heck, else do you call it.

Posted by: luigi vercotti at April 19, 2013 01:38 PM (Jsiw/)

297

the only hero here is ME!!!

the lone democrat is an electronic sea of RINOs

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 19, 2013 01:38 PM (UJm0p)

298 I can't think of a time while in the military.... or when talking to others in the military... where we talked of those who fought... as cowards... Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 05:36 PM (lZBBB) Well ok, but who were the 8 year old and the 2 girls they blew up fighting? Who told the 8 year old and the 2 girls they were at War? Who trained and armed the 8 year old and the 2 girls?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:38 PM (jE38p)

299 I turning off scanner. All these cops go off duty in an hour or two. The new ones will take an hour to get to speed, meanwhile Archie is going to kill his kids and wife if he can't go to the pub soon. This guy is dead or escaped.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:39 PM (wR+pz)

300
So what the hell happened, anyway?

The police caught up with these two Islamists because of a botched robbery at 7-11, is that the only reason why?


Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:39 PM (NLH1M)

301 Imagine a Goodyear Radial pressing into your own brothers face, forever


Is that all that splotchy business on the his islamic face and shoulder?

Posted by: Dang at April 19, 2013 01:39 PM (R18D0)

302 I do. So do you guys! I know what you mean about attention-seeking and "Trying to start an argument" but let's face it-- that's his job, that's my job. And it's your hobby ! Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 05:36 PM (LCRYB) __________ Okay but damn it. Admit that his deployment of "endure" in this case is-- full on douchetard.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:39 PM (r2PLg)

303 I don't think the cops need a warrant in this situation, they might not be able to use anything they find as evidence, but they can come thru that door.

Posted by: Jean at April 19, 2013 01:39 PM (z6Elp)

304 "So, you've seen the black helicopters then?" --- You mean the two blackhawks in the target parking lot? haha

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:39 PM (7mQyC)

305

296 "in" not "is"

hard to type with a stupid cat on my lap

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 19, 2013 01:39 PM (UJm0p)

306 Bannion,

Seriously?

You need to get out more. Take a walk through Dearborn or
Atlanta or any other major city.

Remember when they caught Bin Laden immediately after 9/11? Why was that?

Yeah, No.

Posted by: T. Hunter at April 19, 2013 01:39 PM (EZl54)

307 I can't think of a time while in the military.... or when talking to others in the military... where we talked of those who fought... as cowards...
 

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 05:36 PM (lZBBB)

I've always heard that snipers are considered cowards.  True?

Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 01:40 PM (HqXYa)

308 TL;DR. Waitin for the Word Cloud.

Posted by: johnd01 at April 19, 2013 01:40 PM (ukNFU)

309 Where y'all getting scanner? Haven't had it since 0930

Posted by: Golfman at April 19, 2013 01:40 PM (/djtm)

310
I prefer creatures of clarity.

I'm a seeker of Truth.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:40 PM (NLH1M)

311
oh, and I'm also here for teh lulz

Posted by: soothsayer at April 19, 2013 01:41 PM (052zE)

312 we're creatures of argument and rhetoric or else none of us would be here!

I'm here for the juvenile humor and the occasional accident lesbian porn link.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 19, 2013 01:41 PM (evdj2)

313 @308 It helps to read the thread before axing questions. 207 Here is link for scanner. http://tinyurl.com/csnrbjn

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:41 PM (wR+pz)

314 scanner at ustream. Sorry to stupid to do tiny url.

Posted by: weird flunky at April 19, 2013 01:41 PM (tlhtD)

315 _--Now, look, when your main goal is Trying to Be Interesting (lesser goal: trying to be right), you're going to get things wrong sometimes. --

I don't always stick my foot in my mouth, but when I do, I make sure it's the left one because it's smaller. Stay conversational, my friends...

Posted by: The Most Interesting Commenter In The World at April 19, 2013 01:41 PM (eGr8Z)

316 foxnews is now saying the guy drove away from the shootout *through* a line of cops. Probably injured a bunch. Did they take care of the wounded and not chase him? A bunch of cops got wounded last night. Not sure how.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:42 PM (ZPrif)

317 I've always heard that snipers are considered cowards. True? Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 05:40 PM (HqXYa) 100 years ago maybe- not now.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:42 PM (jE38p)

318 AOSHQ: Smart Military Blog Puttin' some effin' knowledge.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 19, 2013 01:42 PM (FsUAO)

319

Noel Coward was a hero.

Dive bomber vs. torpedo bomber thread?

Yeah, I think setting a bomb at the Boston marathon is pretty fucking chickenshit. So is most of the press.

 

Posted by: OK, Thank You, Goodbye, where's my lace wig, caligrump? at April 19, 2013 01:42 PM (he33V)

320 ..and why would they rob a 7-11?   No family discount?

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 01:42 PM (5wHPS)

321 308 My nick.

Posted by: Knave at April 19, 2013 01:42 PM (cipri)

322 I went to the store today and bought orange juice, bread, lightbulbs and ammo. Funny thing about the ammo, I don't even think I have a gun for that caliber. But there it was and there I was so ......

I think "Be Prepared" is a good motto for April.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 05:23 PM (P6QsQ)

 

I did the same thing a few weeks ago I bought a box of .357 at the height of the Great Ammo Panic. I don't own a .357, but buying it felt right at the time.

 

On a side note, I scored 1600 rounds of Tokarev 7.62 x 25 last week at a bargain price from a gun dealer buddy of mine, who more or less happened across them while making a deal with a wholesaler. Life can be so beautiful if just a few things go your way.

Posted by: troyriser at April 19, 2013 01:43 PM (vtiE6)

323 I can't imagine living in that area right now without a gun, knowing that a desperate terrorist is on the loose and may break into my home or car at any moment.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:43 PM (P6QsQ)

324 Yeah flatbush it's a pretty good bet that once everyone realized this was going to be a house to house a shitload of dope was flushed.


Boston sewer rats are in heaven.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 01:43 PM (d0Dmj)

325 Chris Christie proposes sweeping gun control laws today...as a terrorist has defenseless people huddled in their homes......Was this the guy you wanted to be our nominee? SIGH.

Posted by: Dan at April 19, 2013 01:43 PM (bxp5Z)

326 ace, we get the point about hit whoring. But we excoriate the left When their defense is, "I phrased it inartfully.". Erickson gets a pass? Why? You guys make a living with words, you're the pros. You're supposed to know the difference between hit whoring and gross stupidity He fucked up (note the use of the word "endure"). He should take the bitch slapping for it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 19, 2013 01:43 PM (5n/ll)

327 and why would they rob a 7-11? No family discount? Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 05:42 PM (5wHPS) ouch

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:43 PM (jE38p)

328 Thx bob. Didn't work earlier

Posted by: Golfman at April 19, 2013 01:43 PM (/djtm)

329 Guy drove through cops after he ran over his brother who was trying to blow up the road block. Surely the cops got shots into the damn car.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:43 PM (wR+pz)

330 I've always heard that snipers are considered cowards. True?
Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 05:40 PM (HqXYa)

No.

Posted by: troyriser at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (vtiE6)

331 I know who is behind all of this: JOOOOOS!

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (P3dtw)

332 exigent circumstances they do not need a warrant they can come in the door the can seize anything in "plain sight" i.e. on a table, floor, clearly visible you can't open drawers though

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (Ivw5/)

333 pep--


I don't think it was your comment that bothered me. Posted by: tasker

OK.  Sorry.  Really still irritated about that apostrophe after "pilot", though.

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (6TB1Z)

334 Hahaha! Uncle says chechnyans are peaceful people. Right.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (y2XjR)

335 319 ..and why would they rob a 7-11? No family discount? Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 05:42 PM (5wHPS) _________ Because when he did that most of the web thought he was a Slurpee jockey.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (r2PLg)

336 315 That was in some of the earliest accounts available.I posted an eyewitness account from the NYT on the ONT.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (dBYCN)

337 Hate to say so. But those cops fucked up The kid should have never gotten away

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (5F76G)

338 eh. Erickson screwed up. But he's a good guy. not that big a deal.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (ZPrif)

339

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 05:36 PM (lZBBB)

 

I'm sure that the tactic of laying ied's has been referred to as cowardly  by members of the military who are looking for a straight up fight. 

Posted by: polynikes at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (m2CN7)

340 5:30 presser? Do Yankees own watches? None of the pressers have been on time.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (wR+pz)

341 I've always heard that snipers are considered cowards. True?
Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 05:40 PM (HqXYa)

100 years ago maybe- not now. Posted by: Nevergiveup


And most of them were just butthurt because they didn't think of it first.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (d0Dmj)

342 Geez....between twitter, the news channels, the scanner and these threads.....I got the shakes.


I need moar wine.....

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (X6akg)

343  rickb223 at April 19, 2013 05:43 PM (d0Dmj  heh. And the sewer hobos are rollin!

Posted by: weird flunky at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (tlhtD)

344 Anyone who primarily targets civilians is definitely a coward.

Posted by: Whatev at April 19, 2013 01:44 PM (GP72N)

345 Still wondering why having an predetermined escape plan that involved sympathizers after committing nationally televised bombings/murders is "Black Helicopter" territory.

Posted by: T. Hunter at April 19, 2013 01:45 PM (EZl54)

346 This should be the uncensored pic:

http://i.imgur.com/0U0ozqt.jpg

Posted by: Jen at April 19, 2013 01:45 PM (Du+x/)

347

I've always heard that snipers are considered cowards. True?
 

 

depends on if they're your sniper or not,a sniper left behind to cover your exit from an area would not be a coward

Posted by: kj at April 19, 2013 01:45 PM (4E+Jf)

348 steevy -- so is it right? Did he drive through a line of cops while they shot at him? That's an action movie scene.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:45 PM (ZPrif)

349 Let me say up front my opinion of whether terrorists who plant bombs or act as suicide bombers and kill and wound civilians and only civilians is colored by my 30 odd visits to Israel and all the time I spent there.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:45 PM (jE38p)

350

Well ok, but who were the 8 year old and the 2 girls they blew up fighting? Who told the 8 year old and the 2 girls they were at War? Who trained and armed the 8 year old and the 2 girls?

 



 

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 05:38 PM (jE38p)

 

 

Well... OK.... how about the Bomber Pilots who did a 1000 plane Raid on Dresden in WWII??  Which killed hundreds of 8 year old and 2 year olds?

 

or the guys who dropped the big ones on Japan?

 

Cowards?

 

Bravery has to do with 'IF' you will do the Act... not what the Act IS... IMO...

 

We get fuzzy in our langauge... which then leads to poor results.... like we are NOT in a 'War on Terror'.... Terror is a Tactic.... we are in a War against Fundamental Islam.... and because we will never DESIGNATE who the actual enemy is???? We fight it with the wrong strategy IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 01:45 PM (lZBBB)

351 Thx knave. Only prob. Can't do aoshq and stream at ustream. I'll figure it out. Th. both.

Posted by: Golfman at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (/djtm)

352 Crap.  Try this link:

http://tinyurl.com/cfrl8df

Posted by: Jen at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (Du+x/)

353 Jen, use tiny's PLEASE. Here is link, in a TINY. http://tinyurl.com/u

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (wR+pz)

354 43 Remember BillMaher getting angry for GW calling the 9/11 terrorists cowards?Cowards don't crash planes into buildi gs that takes guts!(paraphrase)

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 05:09 PM (dBYCN)


---


Great point. And Maher was fired for that.

Posted by: Craig Poe at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (BVkEs)

355 347 That's what the witness said.I'll see if I can find the post number.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (dBYCN)

356 And most of them were just butthurt because they didn't think of it first. Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 05:44 PM (d0Dmj) It's easier to blame the missed shot based on wind when it's a musket.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (FsUAO)

357 Anything on the Chinese girl who died? Saw a quick bio, but nothing beyond that.

Posted by: Jean at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (z6Elp)

358 Thx*

Posted by: Golfman at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (/djtm)

359 223---"These are how my revenge fantasies run. Pretty lame, I know." Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 05:30 PM (P6QsQ) --------------- Lame or not, it's a beautiful dream.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 19, 2013 01:46 PM (C8mVl)

360 @351 How did you do that so fast?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:47 PM (wR+pz)

361 I need moar wine.....

Posted by: Tami at April 19, 2013 05:44 PM (X6akg)


------------


Come sit by me, Tami.  I have 8 different kinds. Nine if you count 2 Buck Chuck.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:47 PM (P6QsQ)

362 302 - Not really the point (though I could debate that), what matters is what the people inside are thinking, and I can really begrudge any homeowner to being resistant at first when a intimidating force pulls up to the door and very rudely I'm sure demands you gtfo, I might want to think about it for awhile too (especially depending on what I may or may not have going on inside). Anyway it sounds like that house has been cleared at this point and they have moved on.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:47 PM (7mQyC)

363 332 pep-- I don't think it was your comment that bothered me. Posted by: tasker OK. Sorry. Really still irritated about that apostrophe after "pilot", though. Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 05:44 PM (6TB1Z) *********** Jion the fight club. I'm ready to go to blows over the definition of- endure. lol.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 19, 2013 01:47 PM (r2PLg)

364 question is why they didn't have money and food already stashed. Only idiots and desperate people rob convenience stores. Stashing cash, food, and water is pretty minimal planning for a supposed super-villain.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:47 PM (ZPrif)

365 I find it hard to believe that a photo of the dead Islamist brother was leaked to the internet -- especially so soon. ----- Thought I read confirmation from the medical examiners. Said it wasn't taken while he was in their custody, but didn't deny it was him.

Posted by: Y-not at April 19, 2013 01:47 PM (5H6zj)

366 Hobo, hard to call it the wind when it's a sixty caliber ball of lead.

Posted by: Jean at April 19, 2013 01:48 PM (z6Elp)

367 Borat on a slab.

http://tinyurl.com/cfrl8df

Posted by: Knave at April 19, 2013 01:48 PM (cipri)

368 Some one posted a bigger pic earlier with the guy's body before he got kilted. Don't know where that one is.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:48 PM (wR+pz)

369 The press conference has been delayed.
Go figure.

Posted by: antisocialist at April 19, 2013 01:48 PM (eGr8Z)

370 Watertown MA, currently hidibg under its kitchen table, is now experiencing the reason why we have a second amendment.

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 01:48 PM (5F76G)

371 Easier to just move it here. 468 This posted by Ed Driscoll at PJM. Police ‘making entry’ into house on 14 Hazel,” Michelle Malkin tweets. The New York Times now has an article on the (still ongoing) incident: Two young men, armed with guns and explosives in what appeared to be backpacks, engaged in a violent standoff with dozens of police on a street in Watertown, Mass., Thursday night, a resident said. Andrew Kitzenburg, 29, said he looked out of this third floor window to see two young men of slight build in jackets shooting at dozens of police officers from behind a black Mercedes SUV. The officers and the men were 70 yards apart, he said, and engaged in “constant gunfire.” A police SUV “drove towards the shooters,” he said, and was shot at until it was severely damaged. It rolled out of control, Mr. Kitzenberg said, and crashed into two cars in his driveway. The two shooters, he said, had a large and unwieldy bomb. “They lit it, still in the middle of the gunfire, and threw it. But it went 20 yards at most.” It exploded, he said, and one of the two men ran towards the gathered police officers. He was tackled, but it was not clear if he was shot, Mr. Kitzenberg said. The other, he said, got back into the SUV, turned it towards officers and “put the pedal to the metal.” The car “went right through the cops, broke right through and continued west.” The two men left “a few backpacks right by the car, and there is a bomb robot out there now.” Police had told residents to stay away from their windows, he said. The standoff came within hours of an incident at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in which a campus police officer was shot and killed. More as it comes in.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:48 PM (dBYCN)

372 Don't forget, in addition to Beslan, it was peaceful Chechens that took 850 hostages in a Moscow theater in 2002.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 01:48 PM (MMC8r)

373 Oops sorry left on the Biden sock and the dyslexia is flaring. Nap time.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:49 PM (r2PLg)

374
And it's your hobby !

No sir.

Posted by: Fappy McFapper at April 19, 2013 01:49 PM (jKWYf)

375 let that raghead fuck run into Southie, he'll wish SWAT got him first

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 01:49 PM (5wHPS)

376 Here's an excellent doc on chechnya: http://goo.gl/zoNMz Ignore the chick in the corner. But you get an idea how fucked up those people are.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 01:49 PM (y2XjR)

377 Webster: "someone who is too afraid to do what is right or expected."

Ericson's an idiot.

Posted by: SGT. York at April 19, 2013 01:49 PM (IdV/i)

378 Come sit by me, Tami. I have 8 different kinds. Nine if you count 2 Buck Chuck.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 05:47 PM (P6QsQ)


Why thank you!  I'm there.....would you like some nachos?

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 19, 2013 01:49 PM (X6akg)

379 # 336. Agreed.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:49 PM (P3dtw)

380 Check out Rex the wonderdouche's comment at the end of the last thread. Staggering idiocy.

Posted by: weird flunky at April 19, 2013 01:49 PM (tlhtD)

381 >>>But we excoriate the left When their defense is, "I phrased it inartfully.". Erickson gets a pass? Why? Well let's compare Maher v. Erickson, who both made the same point. Maher used the point to insist that WE'RE the real cowards and that America is awful. Erickson proposed it as an etymological quibble, arguing about the definition of "cowardly," and criticizing people for using the word inappropriately (even though I'm sure he'd agree the SPIRIT of that use, even if he found it incorrect, was appropriate -- that is to say, he didn't mind pounding on these guys, he just wanted to get the word right). Some errors are simply errors of knowledge or fact. We generally just correct each other in some cases. We don't make it a Big Deal. I'm fucking wrong all the time. You guys know that. We make a Big Deal when someone makes not just a surface error but makes that error in the midst of doing something else impermissible -- expressing hate, etc. While we castigated Maher for his "cowardly' error (and I think I may have written this post, somewhere, back then), what we were really attacking was his nasty egotistical Better Than You anti-Americanism, that cheap egotistical pleasure that comes from elevating oneself above one's fellows. I don't sense this with Erickson-- I think he's just saying "Words have meaning, let's get the words right." I certainly don't see vitriol and hate in his post. He's pointing out an error... erroneously, I think, but that's the extent of it.

Posted by: ace at April 19, 2013 01:50 PM (LCRYB)

382 In Chechen Marathon, legs cross finish line without body!

Posted by: OK, Thank You, Goodbye, where's my lace wig, caligrump? at April 19, 2013 01:50 PM (he33V)

383 Well... OK....how aboutthe Bomber Pilots who did a 1000 plane Raid on Dresden in WWII?? Which killedhundreds of 8 year old and 2 year olds? or the guys who dropped the big ones on Japan? Cowards? Bravery has to do with 'IF' you will do the Act... not what the Act IS... IMO... We get fuzzy in our langauge... which then leads to poor results.... like we are NOT in a 'War on Terror'.... Terror is a Tactic.... we are in a War against Fundamental Islam.... and because we will never DESIGNATE who the actual enemy is???? We fight it with the wrong strategy IMO. Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2013 05:45 PM (lZBBB) I don't think that is the same thing. War was different in WW2. We had no GPS guided bombs and collateral damage was considered part of the price you had to pay back then. And the citizens of those countries certainly knew they were at War and living where they lived put their lives at risk. And those pilots did put their lives at risk. As a matter of fact I believe that air crews in WW2 over Europe had the highest death rate of any of the Military including the infantry.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 01:50 PM (jE38p)

384 Andrew Kitzenburg, 29, said he looked out of this third floor window to see two young men of slight build in jackets shooting at dozens of police officers from behind a black Mercedes SUV. The officers and the men were 70 yards apart, he said, and engaged in “constant gunfire.”


Oh to have a .270 and a 3x9 scope.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 01:50 PM (d0Dmj)

385
But we excoriate the left When their defense is, "I phrased it inartfully.". Erickson gets a pass? Why?




Left 'nuthin.  How about when those on the Right hammered Akin for not measuring twice and cutting once before making his abortion remarks?

And that was live.  Erick Erickson gets to put his daft ideas in draft and spellcheck them before he publishes.

You say it, you own it.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 19, 2013 01:51 PM (kdS6q)

386 Is the guy in the white hat the good guy? Call these fuckers what they are for Christ's sake.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:51 PM (P3dtw)

387 Anyone else concerned this lock-down business will be used more and more with less and less excuse?

Posted by: USA at April 19, 2013 01:51 PM (RIg+t)

388 Obviously, the guy in the white hat flunked driver's ed.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:52 PM (P3dtw)

389 If Kitzenberg had a 30-30 like half of Texas, this shit would have been over 12 hours ago

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 01:52 PM (5F76G)

390 384 Ha,if he shot them he'd be up for Murder one.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:52 PM (dBYCN)

391 Eh-- At least Maher is a declared enemy combatant--he wears the uniform. Erickson is wobbly--less courageous.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:52 PM (r2PLg)

392 That's why there aren't many statues honoring murderers.

Do millions of t-shirts count?

Posted by: Che Guevara at April 19, 2013 01:52 PM (2b46R)

393 Very true.  Maher was being a slimy dick.  Erickson was not.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 19, 2013 01:53 PM (tVTLU)

394

Adam Lanza was a coward because he couldn't deal with life and made a decision to change it.  These two terrorists also couldn't deal with life and decided to do something to change it. 

 

They were scared of  dealing  with  life  and therefore cowards.

Posted by: polynikes at April 19, 2013 01:53 PM (m2CN7)

395 "exigent circumstances" - I'm not looking for a long debate about it but if they were chasing the guy, or he was last reported in the neighborhood in question sure. They are house to house searching a 4 or more sqmi area that they think he might be in. I wouldn't agree to exigent if I were the judge hearing the case (clearly after the fact they they went in), just to too broad to be abused in the future anytime anyone is at large (real or imagined).

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:53 PM (7mQyC)

396 388 Anyone else concerned this lock-down business will be used more and more with less and less excuse? --- Getting sick of the second sentence always being "and (X) is on lockdown. Fuck lockdown.

Posted by: Whatev at April 19, 2013 01:53 PM (GP72N)

397 I don't give a damn that the morgue photo was leaked.   In fact, I welcome it - we sanitize the results of terrorism in order to not offend PC sensibilities.  We should see it all, like Matthew Brady after Antietam. 
 
Hell, I think they should cut this fucker's head off, mount it on a pike outside Fenway, and leave it there for a year.

Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 01:53 PM (HqXYa)

398 depends on if they're your sniper or not,asniperleft behind to cover your exit from an area would not be a coward

Posted by: kj at April 19, 2013 05:45 PM (4E+Jf)

 

Nice to know bravery is conditional on whether a given sniper is 'covering an exit' or not. Instructors didn't cover that topic in sniper school, but we all wondered about it.

Posted by: troyriser at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (vtiE6)

399

@356 Anything on the Chinese girl who died? Saw a quick bio, but nothing beyond that.

----------------------------------

Legal Insurrection has an open letter from her parents that was posted up at BU's website.  The letter thanks everyone for the outpouring of support and love that they (the parents) have received over the last few days.

 

Truth be told, I think I'm angrier over her death than the other two deaths.  She was a guest in our country.

 

Posted by: junior at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (UWFpX)

400 Bet your last dollar. Subject.

Posted by: Peter King(NY) at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (Cs2tJ)

401

@288  "I know what you mean about attention-seeking and "Trying to start an argument" but let's face it-- that's his job, that's my job."

 

I agree, Ace.  But there  are  right ways,   wrong ways, and WTF ways  to go about that job.  

 

Wondering aloud over the deeper meaning of something  important and open to honest disagreement and  then putting it out in the form of a question for debate (like you typically do)?   Right.

 

Declaring Ultimate Truth on something so patently absurd and  obviously controversial like Maher, Erickson (in this case), and every hack sports talk jock do  every day as a cheap  way of trolling up eyes and ears?  Wrong.

 

20,000 words to  find a life-altering meaning in a movie like Deuce Bigelow - and I have no idea who would do that ?  WTF, dude.

 

 

Posted by: Jaws at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (4I3Uo)

402

Erickson is wrong.  Plus, I just don't like him.

 

Posted by: jj at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (gWO5X)

403 That last comment might be me just trying edgy on. Or this could be me--going wobbly.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (r2PLg)

404 397 If the terrorists take this lesson they could paralyze city after city with minimal effort.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (dBYCN)

405 336 Hate to say so. But those cops fucked up The kid should have never gotten away Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 05:44 PM ----- Don't hate to say so it's the truth.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (7mQyC)

406 388 Anyone else concerned this lock-down business will be used more and more with less and less excuse?

Bet your last dollar. Subject.

Posted by: Peter King(NY) at April 19, 2013 01:54 PM (Cs2tJ)

407 I always found it interesting that the prayer to the patron saint of soldiers, St, Michael the Archangel, is a specific request for protection from the wickedness and snares of the devil and the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.  It's a recognition that those with lethal skills have a moral obligation to use those skills wisely.  This would include both the need to protect civilians and to avoid descending into mindless blood lust during the heat of battle.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (+1xwu)

408 I really don't get the Outrage Eleventy over the public being told to stay put & door-to-door searches being done.

Posted by: Y-not at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (5H6zj)

409 Anything on the Chinese girl who died? Saw a quick bio, but nothing beyond that. http://tinyurl.com/c2rc6aa

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (eyJh9)

410 I enjoyed seeing the picture of he killer. Does that make me sick?

Posted by: CarolT at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (z4WKX)

411 I owe the Saudis an apology for leaping to conclusions..................Fuck'em.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (P3dtw)

412

This is  going to be replicated, mark my words.  By jihadi standards, this has been a smashing success.  When one considers the investment in money and manpower, compared to the outcome, it's a ridiculous win.

In this corner, you've got two perps with a willingness to kill and be killed, and a coupla thousand in prep cost.   And  in the other corner, you've got three dead at the blast site, hundreds injured, cops injured and murdered, and a nation transfixed.  And a major American city being ordered to "shelter in place", also known as 24 hour martial law in its application and appearance.  Seriously, shut down a city as big as Boston?  Does anyone have an idea of how much economic loss is being sustained in this area?  It has to be huge.  If any attack has the potential to be copied, this one will be.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (ORvjs)

413 Daddy  is  on  his  prayer  rug  wailing.

Posted by: Malia in DC at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (ypzqs)

414 Troyriser, cover then fade

Posted by: Jean at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (z6Elp)

415 A politically-correct, secular and/or excessively personalized analysis of the situation misses the actual (")root cause(") of Jihad attacks, which would be Islam.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (sA52w)

416 322 I can't imagine living in that area right now without a gun, knowing that a desperate terrorist is on the loose and may break into my home or car at any moment.
Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 05:43 PM (P6QsQ)


I'd like to think that people will take the correct lessons from this. . . a polite society is an armed society, a gun in every home and a person trained to use it, like the Swiss. . . but it's Mass to of course wrong lessons will be learned. Boston on lockdown reminds me of the scenes from the Dark Knight Rises with the empty streets, eerie.

Posted by: LizLem at April 19, 2013 01:55 PM (8wqqE)

417 They are showing how easily a small group can cause much terror. There will be more.

Posted by: Knave at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (cipri)

418 Ya know, when these LE people decide on a time for a presser they should just automatically add 1/2 hour, 45 minutes to whatever they initially decide.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (X6akg)

419 # 411. No. It makes you a proud American.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (P3dtw)

420 Isn't this picking the fly shit out of the pepper

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (nTgAI)

421 Another partial exception were American revolutionaries who are not comparable to the Samurai approach to direct combat. Facing the British army under those rules of combat would have ended in disaster during part of the conflict. The European/British aristocrats sneered over such "cowardly tactics" employed by "colonial knaves". However, revolutionary soldiers modeled the heart of the code by fighting with courage against a powerful, well-equipped army and directing violence solely at soldiers. History does not reveal stories of them murdering or raping British wives and children. In fact, compared to the horrors of other revolutions , the American version is astonishing for the relatively peaceful post- success era. Isn't that result the truest indication of honor?

Posted by: I'd Rather Be Surfin at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (g5wi5)

422 Speaking of web-whoring: at one time, a crossbowman was considered a coward, and was painfully put to death if captured.  I notice that was never the case with Longbowmen.

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (6TB1Z)

423 After watching the Left's reaction to this, I am ready for civil war. Beneath contempt.

Erickson is a useless moron. Always has been, always will be.

Posted by: packsoldier at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (G3zNH)

424 the fact that this will sink Redford's movie even more makes me happy I am petty that way I hate people who make excuses for terrorists as much as the terrorist

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (Ivw5/)

425 If the terrorists take this lesson they could paralyze city after city with minimal effort.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 05:54 PM (dBYCN)


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Thank you for that most unwelcome new thought in my head.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:56 PM (P6QsQ)

426 I enjoyed seeing the picture of he killer. Does that make me sick?

Posted by: CarolT at April 19, 2013 05:55 PM (z4WKX)

 

No. It is just and right to celebrate justice done.

Posted by: troyriser at April 19, 2013 01:57 PM (vtiE6)

427 381 >>>But we excoriate the left When their defense is, "I phrased it inartfully.". Erickson gets a pass? Why?

Tin Foil Hat?

Posted by: T. Hunter at April 19, 2013 01:57 PM (EZl54)

428 They are showing how easily a small group can cause much terror. There will be more.

Posted by: Knave at April 19, 2013 05:56 PM (cipri)

 

Yep, that Dorner creep had LA held hostage for a few days there

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 19, 2013 01:57 PM (nTgAI)

429 368 The press conference has been delayed. --- Sounds like they plan to have zone 3 (I think the final zone) search wrapped up in 30 or so minutes, maybe they want to complete that before the presser?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 01:57 PM (7mQyC)

430

388 - oh yah sure you betcha. Can see it already, "zero Tolerance" style school suspension for pointing a finger and thumb mentality kinda mini martial law, badge-a-delic shut downs. OMG! Found a road flare! CLOSE ALL FREEWAYS FOR SAFETY!!11!

My dear old papa, once a county sheriff in the early 20th century because of his radio experience (yes, it was that long ago), told the tale of a twit with a radio car broadcasting "calling all cars! DEAD CAT ON THE ROAD!"

Posted by: OK, Thank You, Goodbye, where's my lace wig, caligrump? at April 19, 2013 01:57 PM (he33V)

431 I'm fine with the dead terrorist glamor shot being out there. It's the closest thing we have to gibbeting.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 01:57 PM (MMC8r)

432 Yeah, more I think about it the more its clear the cops fucked up. They had to disable the vehicle. #1 priority once they had them stopped. I know it's hard being shot at and all. But it's pretty clearly a major screw-up.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (ZPrif)

433

Thunderb:

 

Exactly!!!  Everyone loves our troops.  Except those fucking rat bastard "universities" that offer professorships to terrorists that put similar fucking bombs, or wanted to, at a Fort Dix dance for soliders and their wives.

 

Filthy.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (tVTLU)

434 384 Andrew Kitzenburg, 29, said he looked out of this third floor window to
see two young men of slight build in jackets shooting at dozens of
police officers from behind a black Mercedes SUV. The officers and the
men were 70 yards apart, he said, and engaged in “constant gunfire.”


Oh to have a .270 and a 3x9 scope.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 05:50 PM
---------------
The cop that got the tower killer in Texas was accompanied by a civilian who pulled his Remington pump rifle (7600?) out of his trunk and went with the officer up in the tower.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (aDwsi)

435 That show of awesome FBI and Massachusettss cops firepower this morning losing a single wounded 19 year old dumbass while commanding disarmed American citizens to cower in their locked homes was one of the most pathetic sights I have ever seen.

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (5F76G)

436 Drone the old man. Just for the pure fun of it.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (P3dtw)

437 (declaring a war before you begin it)

Actually the hirabists have, UBL specifically and the Dar al Haq sp? in general since what 700 AD.

The language mismatch is Asymmetrical and being used for warfare also.

Posted by: DaveA at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (DL2i+)

438 No fucking press conferences until you account for the terrorist.How about that?(Or at least have some new intelligence to impart)

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (dBYCN)

439 423 The used to cut the bowstring pulling finger off of longbowmen.

Posted by: Knave at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (cipri)

440 I give zero fucks about why Erickson does or does not get a pass.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (ZPrif)

441 the fact that this will sink Redford's movie even more makes me happy That is a nice thought, isn't it?

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (MMC8r)

442 I was in NYC a couple of years ago and all I could think of was..."what if some Imam said  to all the   swarthy  types, OK at 9 am Monday morning while you're serving coffee with your shitty  attitude, kill every infidel within 20 feet of you until they take you down.?"

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (5wHPS)

443

The BPD and DHS have a lot to answer for after this is all over.  That these guys were able to place two bombs in the vincinity of the finish line of the Boston Marathon is inexcusable.

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at April 19, 2013 01:58 PM (m2CN7)

444 Funny, Rex's rant is the same rant that was posted on my local paper's comment's page. Clearly liberals have a clearing house that sends out talking points. OFA? It's just angry men, nothing here to see. Oh and Tim McVeigh, don't forget him. When I pointed out all the Muslim terrorist I was a racist. These people are FUCKING CRAZY!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (wR+pz)

445 Erickson lost me during the primaries. Living near ATL at the time I was stuck listening to him day and night on local talk since Herman was on the trail and Bortz liked his days off. He hated Romney so much I wondered if he was playing for the other team.

Posted by: small town girl at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (TCmPs)

446 414 Daddy is on his prayer rug wailing.

Posted by: Malia in DC at April 19, 2013 05:55 PM (ypzqs)

May my cat shit on his prayer rug.

Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (HqXYa)

447 I wouldn't call Hiroshima and Nagasaki a cowardly act, we dropped leaflets telling them to evacuate their cities because we were going to atom bomb them, if they chose not to heed the advice, thats just Darwin at work.

Posted by: Whatev at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (GP72N)

448 414 Daddy is on his prayer rug wailing.

Posted by: Malia in DC at April 19, 2013 05:55 PM (ypzqs)


Maybe you can interrupt daddeh and tell him to get his boney Mac daddy ass on the TV to let us know wtf is going on. Then go kick Bo in the nuts you little spoiled brat.


Posted by: Attila at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (Cs2tJ)

449 By jihadi standards, this has been a smashing success. When one considers the investment in money and manpower, compared to the outcome, it's a ridiculous win.

I'm sure that bin Laden thought so too, after 9-11.  I doubt he thinks that now.

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (6TB1Z)

450
Erickson proposed it as an etymological quibble, arguing about the definition of "cowardly," and criticizing people for using the word inappropriately





That is evidence of an Autism Spectrum Disorder, not a coherent ideological position.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (kdS6q)

451 I always found it interesting that the prayer to the patron saint of soldiers, St, Michael the Archangel, is a specific request for protection from the wickedness and snares of the devil and the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. It's a recognition that those with lethal skills have a moral obligation to use those skills wisely.

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That prayer kicks ass, NC Mountain Girl.  I love it.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (P6QsQ)

452 This has another Christopher Dornan written all over it. The body is within sight of the command post.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (P3dtw)

453 'Has Erickson not seen the pictures of the little boy who was killed? One of these "losers" (to use his uncle's term) consciously chose to leave his backpack next to that family and anonymously slink away. ' Exactly. But I'm in a giving mood. If and when they catch this guy, I think they should give him a head start on the 72 virgins deal and put 72 fetching, young she goats in the cell with him.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (9H+iJ)

454 Borat on the slab Save the picture. Burn it into your memory. We are about to enter 'Fahrenheit 451' territory where images and books are considered too inflammatory to allow the average prole like us to look at. Look carefully at the broken corpuscles on the face and shoulder where a 4,000 pound plus car was driven by one brother, over the other brothers face. Remember that lack of empathy when the Democrats accuse us of having no empathy. While they prosecute the person who took the picture and made it available for all to see. We are the lone voices, smack dab in the middle of a dystopian nightmare.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 19, 2013 01:59 PM (feFL6)

455

322 I can't imagine living in that area right now without a gun, knowing that a desperate terrorist is on the loose and may break into my home or car at any moment

________________________

 

Same - I keep thinking about our daughter and son-in-law, holed up in their Charlestown condo.  They're libs, Mass residents, and therefore defenseless.  My husband and I have been just a bit worried. 

 

This morning, when I mentioned the guys were Chechen Muslims, I was shocked not to get the usual argument from our daughter about how prejudiced I am. 

 

Between this, and her experience as a nurse at Mass General this week, I sincerely hope they will rethink their lib positions - especially on gun-control. 

Posted by: Marybeth at April 19, 2013 02:00 PM (Ks0w4)

456 Oh you want cowardly? How about the time Erick Erickson locked AJ Strata out of his own thread--at Red State. Ya, that. Complete weasel.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 02:00 PM (r2PLg)

457 Major Garret just tweeted that FBI interviewed Tamarlan 2 years ago about EXTREMIST TIES...said they found nothing, and LET HIM GO. Government in action!

Posted by: Dan at April 19, 2013 02:00 PM (bxp5Z)

458 "388 Anyone else concerned this lock-down business will be used more and more with less and less excuse?" --- very concern at this wide an operation when they really have no fuking idea where he is.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:00 PM (7mQyC)

459 Oh,and release the pictures of UBL's corpse.A lesson to the goat fuckers.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 02:01 PM (dBYCN)

460 No debate. Just locked him out. Brave, brave Sir Robin.

Posted by: tasker at April 19, 2013 02:01 PM (r2PLg)

461
Seems to me its time to lift the stay put notice.  People are aware at this point.

Posted by: Fappy McFapper at April 19, 2013 02:01 PM (jKWYf)

462 This is an interesting topic actually, in the academic sense. I'm not a witness of these two turds in particular, so won't go there, but I would have to disagree with the characterization that anybody engaging in terrorism is a coward. This gentleman's mindset of warfare is what cost the British the war, and in my opinion is what's costing us the war in Afghanistan now. We are losing in Afghanistan because we do not control the enemy's supply routes. We know where they are, and it's in mountainous terrain filled with quote-unquote "civilians," families. We sent men in to try and take the ground without mass casualties but failed, several times actually, fighting uphill even with superior numbers and weapons and training is a bitch. We could easily take these areas though, but it would mean doing things we aren't so far willing to do, dropping napalm, daily cutters, and wreaking complete havoc and killing every living creature in those mountains. But we aren't willing to do this. Bush wouldn't sign the orders, and neither will Obama, so it goes forever. We could end the war tomorrow with the Taliban completely destroyed and surrendered, but we don't have the stomach for it.

Posted by: Andrew at April 19, 2013 02:01 PM (HS3dy)

463 Fuck, FBI interviewed the brother 2 years ago! Really? Fuck fuck fuck fuck.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 02:01 PM (ZPrif)

464 Does the FBI have blood on it's hands?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:01 PM (P3dtw)

465 459 He wasn't anti government right wing militia.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 02:01 PM (dBYCN)

466 All these comparisons to WW2 bother me. We were in a DECLARED War. Big difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 02:02 PM (jE38p)

467 @ 413
This is going to be replicated, mark my words. By jihadi standards, this has been a smashing success. When one considers the investment in money and manpower, compared to the outcome, it's a ridiculous win.


Exactly.

And the longer this guy stays at -large, the bigger the economic impact . Cavuto covered that angle a bit today.

Posted by: T. Hunter at April 19, 2013 02:02 PM (EZl54)

468 Troyriser, cover then fade

Posted by: Jean at April 19, 2013 05:55 PM (z6Elp)

 

18th Airborne Corps Sniper School, 1982. I know about cover. I was pissed about the 'coward' innuendo regarding snipers. For example, who would call Carlos Hathcock a coward? Simo Haya?

Posted by: troyriser at April 19, 2013 02:02 PM (vtiE6)

469 Seems to me its time to lift the stay put notice. People are aware at this point. ---- They are trying to limit the guy's ability to blend while fleeing.

Posted by: Y-not at April 19, 2013 02:02 PM (5H6zj)

470 "413 This is going to be replicated, mark my words. By jihadi standards, this has been a smashing success. When one considers the investment in money and manpower, compared to the outcome, it's a ridiculous win." --- Totally concur, I mean it could have been more successful but this has been pretty effective.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:03 PM (7mQyC)

471 398

Hell, I think they should cut this fucker's head off, mount it on a pike outside Fenway, and leave it there for a year.

Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 05:53 PM (HqXYa)

I like the way you think.

Posted by: Vir Cotto at April 19, 2013 02:03 PM (7xeJQ)

472 Are you telling me the FBI needed to release the photos world wide but couldn't figure out these fuckers were right there the whole time? WTF?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:03 PM (P3dtw)

473 418 They are showing how easily a small group can cause much terror. There will be more. ---- I thought that same after DC Sniper stuff, surprised it's taken this long.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (7mQyC)

474 fuck Eric Holder. He let the fucker go 2 years ago.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (ZPrif)

475 MA Governor Cadillac De Ville up now!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (wR+pz)

476 So he married an american girl who converted to Islam, what is wrong with these people. I just don't get it. If the pic is right on the DailyMail she's pretty cute, what the hell is wrong with these women.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (oBhEo)

477 452 173 Hey, I was a little kid in '59, too. That makes us the smartest ones in the room, right? Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 19, 2013 04:24 PM (4Mv1T) ---------------------------------   With your loose skin and old balls. Gross.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2013 04:28 PM (CJjw5)

I know this is from a previous thread,  but just can't stop laughing. As usual EoJ hit the right tone, seriously you guys.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (YYyqq)

478 CNN describing the quiet in Boston today:

"It's as if a bomb went off."

Posted by: The Q at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (XQzGn)

479 major garrett's twitter indicts FBI

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (ZPrif)

480 Christopher Dornan.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (P3dtw)

481 "shelter in place"- there's a new term in the lexicon

Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 02:04 PM (HqXYa)

482 And now for something completely different.....


US Airman back home reunited with his Afghan pup, Lyla


http://tinyurl.com/bvt47ja

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (X6akg)

483 I wonder why Drudge didn't link to the uncensored photo of the perp.

Posted by: USA at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (RIg+t)

484 I thought that same after DC Sniper stuff, surprised it's taken this long. Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 06:04 PM (7mQyC) Did they ever find those white guys in the white van?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (wR+pz)

485 As has been said , there is sure to be more after this fiasco. The sad truth is this POS is sure to seen as a hero to some other psychopathic Islamist nut jobs. Homeland has all the tools and this tool locks down a major city! WTF!

Posted by: disgusted at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (WJXt1)

486 480 No Way.

Posted by: Knave at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (cipri)

487 On the "LOCKDOWN!!", I already have my answer to that prepared for if/when someone tells me I'm on lockdown.

Posted by: Whatev at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (GP72N)

488 Hell, I think they should cut this fucker's head off, mount it on a pike outside Fenway, and leave it there for a year. Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 05:53 PM (HqXYa) Not sure if A-Rod deserves that, but hey it's a thought

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (jE38p)

489 Letter from the family of the Chinese student (which I posted on an earlier Thread) It's heartbreaking: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/letter-from-the-family-of-lu-lingzi/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (BVq/X)

490 The FBI turned this into an even worse bloodbath.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (P3dtw)

491 Press conferences look like WWE carnival freaks. Midges, giants, fat ladies.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (ZPrif)

492 OT but awesome: my own REPUBLICAN Bristol County Sherrif Thomas Hodgson busts out against the immigration bill and Breitbart picks it up: http://tinyurl.com/c5kv48v

Posted by: Truman North at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (ny+t0)

493 @383 Douglas Devastator pilots might argue if many had lived past 1942. Ensign Gay probably liked the life jacket, and not much else. My dad survived that plane by getting captured in Feb. 1942. On topic, sort of: If they do not capture Jihadi #2, are they going to lock down _Boston_ for a second day? Pretty sure the jihadis are high fiving worldwide.

Posted by: Beagle at April 19, 2013 02:05 PM (sOtz/)

494 He wasn't anti government right wing militia. From the moment this crew got into power, the line has been that 'The Right' is the prime violent threat to this country. The media has dutifully picked that up. I wouldn't be surprised if that has become policy.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 02:06 PM (MMC8r)

495 They say once it gets dark, he will sneak out...unless he's already dead.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 02:06 PM (y2XjR)

496 Anyone else think Deval Patrick is a bit light in the loafers? Or is he a  noted faggetti and I just didn't know?

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 02:06 PM (5wHPS)

497 485 I wonder why Drudge didn't link to the uncensored photo of the perp.

Posted by: USA at April 19, 2013 06:05 PM (RIg+t)


He is....middle column, third headline.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 19, 2013 02:06 PM (X6akg)

498

"The BPD and DHS have a lot to answer for after this is all over. That these guys were able to place two bombs in the vincinity of the finish line of the Boston Marathon is inexcusable. "

 

OK, I'll quibble on this one.

 

Yeah, shitbirds like these two (or more) A) shouldn't be admitted into the US in the first place, and B) should be sent packing at the end of their visa, and C) should be sent packing in chains if convicted of a crime.  So, sure, the immigration and justice systems have some answering to do there.

 

But what I  DO NOT WANT (sorry Peter King, you sack of shit) is a fucking police state.  That boat has already sailed in a lot of settings like NYC,  DC, and all airports.  But dammit, do you really want to live in a country where you must endure constant paper checking, personal searches, nudeoscopes, german shepherds at your crotch, and  uparmored cops on every corner?

Posted by: Jaws at April 19, 2013 02:06 PM (4I3Uo)

499 How come no women call for new batteries on the police scanner? Sexist!

Posted by: USA at April 19, 2013 02:07 PM (RIg+t)

500 468 All these comparisons to WW2 bother me. We were in a DECLARED War. Big difference Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 06:02 PM (jE38p) War HAS been declared. Most of this country just refuses to accept it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 19, 2013 02:07 PM (OgsnV)

501 The press conference was pathetic

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 02:07 PM (5F76G)

502 NC Mountain

Little-quoted, Joel, Chap 3:

 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 19, 2013 02:07 PM (aDwsi)

503 he escaped? how?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 02:07 PM (ZPrif)

504 They should hand out guns so the people can protect themselves.

Posted by: waldo at April 19, 2013 02:08 PM (y2XjR)

505

>>>They were cowardly not for fearing death -- most people who become murderers don't fear death all that much because they give little value to life, including their own.<<<

.

Precisely. Bill Maher called the 9/11 hijackers brave. They were not. The brave fear death, yet risk it, for a reason. Cowards attack the innocent and defenseless.

One had a real hero, a Medal of Honor recipient, tell me "Hero's aren't born, they are cornered". But they are in harms way for a reason.

Posted by: Javems at April 19, 2013 02:08 PM (c8xU9)

506 Stay indoors request is lifted..

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 19, 2013 02:08 PM (X6akg)

507 According to the news from a few hours ago, the runt is/was posting to twitter after the standoff, so I doubt he's dead.

Posted by: Whatev at April 19, 2013 02:08 PM (GP72N)

508 Sounds like theybare saying he slipped away.Tactical teams withdrawn,State police augmenting Watertown police for the next 3 days?WTF?

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 02:08 PM (dBYCN)

509 He fucked up (note the use of the word "endure"). He should take the bitch slapping for it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion

Really?

It's that important to you?

Fuck dude. Time to pick out a hobby or something.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 19, 2013 02:08 PM (5Hl3g)

510 This is beginning to remind me of the FBI's conduct in Die Hard.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:08 PM (P3dtw)

511 War HAS been declared. Most of this country just refuses to accept it. Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 19, 2013 06:07 PM (OgsnV) Yeah, not according to the person in the White House.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 02:09 PM (jE38p)

512 Love the camera shot of Mumbles with the microphones completing blocking any view of his face

Posted by: The Q at April 19, 2013 02:09 PM (XQzGn)

513 Remember that liberal puke Devil Patrick said at 9/11 anniversary that it was caused by a "failure of understanding." He is the problem.

Posted by: Madamex at April 19, 2013 02:09 PM (Tj05I)

514 Here come the politicians--that mean the scumbag is long gone.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:09 PM (P3dtw)

515 "444 The BPD and DHS have a lot to answer for after this is all over. That these guys were able to place two bombs in the vincinity of the finish line of the Boston Marathon is inexcusable. " --- I don't think so, sure maybe it could have been prevented here, but determined opponents will always be able to pull of small scale events like that, maybe not every time but you can't really stop it without losing what's barely left of this country. It's the things like losing the suspect after the shootout, delaying the release of their info will potus was out of town, other question regarding what was known about this family prior, that's the type of thing they need anwser, the bomb itself not so much.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:10 PM (7mQyC)

516 The BPD and DHS have a lot to answer for after this is all over.

Because clearly they could've insisted nobody carry anything within 50 feet of a 26.2 mile course in a major city.

Posted by: DaveA at April 19, 2013 02:10 PM (DL2i+)

517 512 This is beginning to remind me of the FBI's conduct in Die Hard. Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 06:08 PM (P3dtw) Wanna breath mint?

Posted by: BignJames at April 19, 2013 02:10 PM (Sg0G/)

518 Fuck you and your dumb site, Erickson. Yes putting a bomb at an eight year old's feet is a cowardly act by a cowardly cocksucking coward. In fact, I can't think of a more appropriate descriptor. Asshole.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 19, 2013 02:10 PM (Lq5WC)

519
Aunt Tsarnaeva said her brother's family came to the United States in 2002 after she helped them apply for refugee status. She said the family also has two sisters who live in Boston.





Chain migration. Families! Love it!

Posted by: Marco Rubio

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 19, 2013 02:10 PM (kdS6q)

520 what's wrong with the mayor?

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 19, 2013 02:10 PM (5wHPS)

521 Retardo Menino

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 19, 2013 02:11 PM (ZPrif)

522 I still think the best is the Mercedes with the coexist sticker that they hijacked.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 02:11 PM (wR+pz)

523 All these comparisons to WW2 bother me. We were in a DECLARED War. Big difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 06:02 PM (jE38p)

 

Years ago, I attended a Catholic Veteran's Day mass.  In his sermon, the cocky young priest said "and let us pray for the sinners who dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki"  


The congregation audibly gasped, and the church started to empty FAST.   I don't know how many remained, because I was one of the first out the door.

Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 02:11 PM (HqXYa)

524 FBI. Federal Bureau of Incompetence.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:11 PM (P3dtw)

525 One thing I can't believe is that they didn't have an exit plan. You build and distribute bombs, then sit at home for three days. Then when the heat comes down, you go rob 7-11, kill a campus cop, and start a shoot-out when you could have been anywhere else in the world by that time.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 02:11 PM (MMC8r)

526 didn't they say last night there was no more danger? if everyone is concentrated in Boston, wouldn't it be a prime time for a secondary attack elsewhere? is more than one Police Officer dead? sure sounded like it

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 02:11 PM (Ivw5/)

527 The stupid Union cops What idiots

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 02:11 PM (5F76G)

528 you boys now belong to the State of Massachusetts!!

Posted by: Dropkick Murphys at April 19, 2013 02:11 PM (5wHPS)

529 459 Major Garret just tweeted that FBI interviewed Tamarlan 2 years ago about EXTREMIST TIES...said they found nothing, and LET HIM GO. --- Letting him go (cause they didn't have enough) is one thing, not keeping tabs on him after the fact depending on what they knew could be another.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:12 PM (7mQyC)

530 The true heroes of this horrible attack are our betters in the media. Without them bravely censoring the facts, spinning the emerging information of how these two are Muslim and used their religion as the basis for their attacks, every evil extremist who ever voted Republican before in their lives might be rising up now and rioting. Without the brave MFM we would be experiencing true terror, as millions of racist and Republicans, BIRM, ran into the streets burning down buildings and torching mosques around the country. I salute you, our brave MFM, for helping keep this country safe. You are the only reason I am not picking out random people in the street and beating them up for looking different than me.

Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at April 19, 2013 02:12 PM (++kZl)

531 "500 "The BPD and DHS have a lot to answer for after this is all over. That these guys were able to place two bombs in the vincinity of the finish line of the Boston Marathon is inexcusable. " OK, I'll quibble on this one. Yeah, shitbirds like these two (or more) A) shouldn't be admitted into the US in the first place, and B) should be sent packing at the end of their visa, and C) should be sent packing in chains if convicted of a crime. So, sure, the immigration and justice systems have some answering to do there. But what I DO NOT WANT (sorry Peter King, you sack of shit) is a fucking police state. That boat has already sailed in a lot of settings like NYC, DC, and all airports. But dammit, do you really want to live in a country where you must endure constant paper checking, personal searches, nudeoscopes, german shepherds at your crotch, and uparmored cops on every corner? Posted by: Jaws at April 19, 2013 06:06 PM (4I3Uo) " And if the Government would stop actively importing Jihadis/Muslims in general (including those waging "womb jihad"), there would be no need for one.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 19, 2013 02:12 PM (sA52w)

532 I  can  say  it  now  that I'm  dead -  Redford  was  always  a  douche bag!  I called  his  film  festival  'Douche Dance' - useta   piss  Bob  off!  I  drink  Bud  all day  now  -  Heaven  is  heaven!

Posted by: Zombie Paul Newman at April 19, 2013 02:12 PM (ypzqs)

533 So now he is admitting they fucked up and let him go. Barney Phiff is their idol.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 02:12 PM (wR+pz)

534 That fat InfoWars asshole missed the presser?

Posted by: Knave at April 19, 2013 02:12 PM (cipri)

535 # 524 So true. Give peace a chance.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:13 PM (P3dtw)

536 Is it just me or does Deval Patrick, remind you of Blaine Edwards? 

Posted by: tony redenzo at April 19, 2013 02:13 PM (H3SNW)

537 If one suspect was questioned by the FBI two years ago, and he went out of country eight months ago, why wasn't he being watched?

Posted by: Craig Poe at April 19, 2013 02:13 PM (BVkEs)

538 Supposedly the 7-11 wasn't robbed. It was a carjacking in the parking lot that classified it as a 7-11 robbery. They had withdrawn cash from their own ATM account for running.

Posted by: Whatev at April 19, 2013 02:13 PM (GP72N)

539 I told you Boston guys wouldn't give up Friday night at the pub!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 02:13 PM (wR+pz)

540 Hey Citizens... Good luck! Best advertisement for the Second Amendment EVAH!!!!

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (5F76G)

541 Yep,afte a bit of back patting they basicallly admitted he slipped theough their fingers.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (dBYCN)

542 I blame the sequester for the failed manhunt.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (P3dtw)

543 "509 According to the news from a few hours ago, the runt is/was posting to twitter after the standoff, so I doubt he's dead. Posted by: Whatev at April 19, 2013 06:08 PM (GP72N) " WTF?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (sA52w)

544
Oh I keep forgetting and not much worth it now, but that brown bag thing by the mailbox that was highlighted alot was not the bomb as the media created that too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (jKWYf)

545 Next up..Deval Patrick sings showtunes

Posted by: Dropkick Murphys at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (5wHPS)

546 Hey guys I would not be so hard on the FBI and the Police. A fire fight in the dark of night, anything can and usually does happen. This is real life, not the movies. Basically they within 4 days they iIDed the the 2 and killed one. They will get this other one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (jE38p)

547 "481 major garrett's twitter indicts FBI" --- CIA most relived.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (7mQyC)

548 It's like a press conference at Cheers

Posted by: Norm at April 19, 2013 02:14 PM (aDwsi)

549 Is that a 2 star general in the back there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 02:15 PM (jE38p)

550 @550 True dat

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 19, 2013 02:15 PM (wR+pz)

551 Wow,what a clusterfuck.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 02:15 PM (dBYCN)

552 There is something seriously wrong with this press conference.

Posted by: Craig Poe at April 19, 2013 02:16 PM (BVkEs)

553 Radio: Cops are hearing that people are hearing the media saying they can return to their houses, instead of fighting the media message they're just going to check trunks of inbound cars to the area as they wrap up.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:16 PM (7mQyC)

554 Hey Citizens... Good luck! Best advertisement for the Second Amendment EVAH!!!! Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 06:14 PM (5F76G) ---------------------------------------------------------- Also a good advertisement for immigration reform. If liberals actually thought things out they would realize that this has been a very very bad week for them. All of their wet dreams come to fruition in this Boston mash up.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 19, 2013 02:16 PM (jucos)

555 Does anyone else think this cop looks like Luca Brasi?


Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 02:16 PM (HqXYa)

556 I'm damned sick and tired of people extolling the "bravery" of animals who kill innocent people. If you kill the innocent, you're a coward even if you put yourself at risk to do so. One kills the innocent because he lacks the courage to confront what he believes to be his real enemy.

Posted by: dabhidh at April 19, 2013 02:16 PM (O6j2k)

557 547 Next up..Deval Patrick sings showtunes Posted by: Dropkick Murphys at April 19, 2013 06:14 PM
----------

Cameo on Glee!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 19, 2013 02:16 PM (aDwsi)

558 FBI. Federal Bureau of Incompetence.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 19, 2013 06:11 PM (P3dtw)



Remember how everybody working for the feds, including the military, ran around like a bunch of clueless dickholes when Dhimmi Carter was President?  This is exactly the same thing.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 19, 2013 02:17 PM (jhvW+)

559 he escaped? how? By cleverly dying in a ditch is my guess.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 19, 2013 02:17 PM (eyJh9)

560 560 Shit flows from the top down.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 02:17 PM (dBYCN)

561 483 "shelter in place"- there's a new term in the lexicon
Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 06:04 PM (HqXYa)


reminds me a little of the air raids in WW2
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/shelterinplace/

Posted by: LizLem at April 19, 2013 02:18 PM (8wqqE)

562 So, to be clear on Erickson's discussion of being able to call people cowards. Teddy Kennedy drove that girl into the water, ran off, hid out for 9 hours while the car slowly sank, and she suffered pain and terror for who knows how long before she finally drowned. Am I still allowed to call that dead, bloated, fat piece of dog crap a coward? Cause I don't want to be inaccurate in my insults. And, I dunno but, being so intent on saving your own worthless hide that you drive over your own brother's body strikes me as kinda cowardly.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 19, 2013 02:18 PM (9H+iJ)

563 This whole thing is the embodiment of left/liberal thought and action.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 19, 2013 02:18 PM (aDwsi)

564 I just don't like how they have misread the whole thing its the right wing its cause of tax day/patriot day a single event, nothing else will happen which leads me to doubt all their other conclusions

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 02:18 PM (Ivw5/)

565 500 - exactly.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:18 PM (7mQyC)

566   43 Remember BillMaher getting angry for GW calling the 9/11 terrorists
cowards?Cowards don't crash planes into buildi gs that takes
guts!(paraphrase)

I remember that, thinking he's confusing fanaticism for courage.  Idiot.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 19, 2013 02:19 PM (sxXhC)

567 Great essay Ace.

Posted by: Hobo with a laptop at April 19, 2013 02:19 PM (sCeXD)

568 Im giving the FBI the benefit of the doubt. Had this happened in the UK, they would have had a vehicle, and that vehicles complete routes stored on computer for the preceeding 6 months. Would have caught them in about 20 minutes. But this isn't the UK yet. Maybe after this it will be though.

Posted by: Whatev at April 19, 2013 02:19 PM (GP72N)

569 546
Oh I keep forgetting and not much worth it now, but that brown bag thing by the mailbox that was highlighted alot was not the bomb as the media created that too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 19, 2013 06:14 PM (jKWYf)


---


And what was the mailbox doing there in the first? They are usually removed during a high profile event.

Posted by: Craig Poe at April 19, 2013 02:20 PM (BVkEs)

570 New thread would be nice.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 02:20 PM (MMC8r)

571 I will say this about the 9/11 terrorists.... Their plan was brilliant. It really was. They knew all of the soft spots and took wicked advantage of them.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 19, 2013 02:20 PM (jucos)

572 CNN describing the quiet in Boston today:

"It's as if a bomb went off."



That wins a Jesus Facepalm.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 19, 2013 02:20 PM (d0Dmj)

573 Erickson's issue is that he doesn't know the deep history of the word "coward".

Maher's issue was he flat didn't know what honour is.

Erickson's mistake can be corrected. This isn't so easy for Maher's.

Posted by: boulder hobo at April 19, 2013 02:20 PM (QTHTd)

574 Ah, new thread.

Posted by: zsasz at April 19, 2013 02:20 PM (MMC8r)

575 "Womb jihad" is especially effective when the authorities ignore Muslim polygamy. Which they do, in Orlando. The UK gives bennies to second, third, and fourth wives. Not sure about a fifth. In Germany a huge majority of Muslim children say "government benefits recipient" when asked what they want to do for a living. There are many ways to destroy a nation. Muslims seem to use all of them, excluding a fight between professional armies. Too bad because that is all we are really geared for.

Posted by: Beagle at April 19, 2013 02:21 PM (sOtz/)

576 I heard the eeeeeeeevil Mark Fuhrman on Fox earlier today opining that if terrorist 1 had "too many bullet holes to count", the chance that terrorist emerged unscathed is impossible.  Makes sense

Posted by: Ombudsman at April 19, 2013 02:21 PM (HqXYa)

577 570 Yeah,as I said yesterday they are a more advanced surveillance state than us.We'll get there,whether we like it or not.

Posted by: steevy at April 19, 2013 02:21 PM (dBYCN)

578 Since the Isaslum religion requires their dead to be buried within 24 hours (I think) I can't wait for some turdbrain in the media or cair or a politician to suggest it for the dead Boston terrorist.

Posted by: ExSnipe at April 19, 2013 02:21 PM (PBm/l)

579 "Major Garret just tweeted that FBI interviewed Tamarlan 2 years ago about EXTREMIST TIES...said they found nothing, and LET HIM GO. " But they are hand raping grannies and six year olds at the airports, so there's that.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 19, 2013 02:22 PM (9H+iJ)

580 It's good to be vigilant while your legs get blown off

Posted by: TejasJudio de la Frontera at April 19, 2013 02:22 PM (5F76G)

581 He's probably in the vicinity of the abandoned vehicle, dead underneath a house, or something.

Posted by: Craig Poe at April 19, 2013 02:22 PM (BVkEs)

582 CNN: "It's as if a bomb went off."

Apparently our very own "Hadji the Muslim Comic" is freelancing

Posted by: boulder hobo at April 19, 2013 02:22 PM (QTHTd)

583 A fiasco. If this POS is alive he sure as hell isn't going to give himself up! what is he, an Islamic Jason Borne? WTF! I swear this whole thing has me thinking of making a tin foil hat.

Posted by: disgusted at April 19, 2013 02:23 PM (WJXt1)

584 551 Is that a 2 star general in the back there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 19, 2013 06:15 PM (jE38p)

 

Probably the NG Commander for MA. 

Posted by: Ammo Dump at April 19, 2013 02:23 PM (YYyqq)

585 I was told during the election that the war on womyn was the most important thing

Posted by: thunderb at April 19, 2013 02:23 PM (Ivw5/)

586 "WTF?" - It was a fake twitter account.../ignore reports about that. Radio: Feds pulling themselves from perimeter

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:24 PM (7mQyC)

587 IIRC, on 9/12/01, Bumbles said it was a "culture of poverty" that causes terrorism. Where is he anyway? If these were the "right" kind of terrorists, don't you think he'd be a bit more, uh, visible right now?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 19, 2013 02:24 PM (Lq5WC)

588 WTF? Debunked hours ago. Fake account.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 19, 2013 02:26 PM (eyJh9)

589 If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission right.

Words are used in different ways ... terrorists are sick, evil, brainwashed .... whatever.  The whole of Islam AND the commie left seems to be about being sneaky and subversive.  Using Alinsky tactics, or union mobs tearing down Tea party tents ... is cowardly.

Posted by: Illini Bill at April 19, 2013 02:26 PM (0OZTS)

590 In fairness, the FBI was totally prepared for any Tea Party violence. But as jihad is totally peaceful now thanks to the Muslim Brotherhood and their president, agents did not have time for Muslims posting jihad videos on social media.

Posted by: Beagle at April 19, 2013 02:27 PM (sOtz/)

591 Whoa. So some foreign country told us to look out for the dead terrorist in 2011 and the FBI interviewed him and decided nothing to see here...? WTF

Posted by: Shonuff at April 19, 2013 02:28 PM (jo0fs)

592 so, am i the only one who thinks its obvious this scumbag alla-hou ackbar is hiding out, w/ hostages...any word on whether they've looked at every home / improvement in the region?

Posted by: Suffer, Terrorist Scum at April 19, 2013 02:28 PM (bT79U)

593 Quiet frankly Ace & Horde, I could care less what EE has to say. Let him blather on the oh so important Red State. But, if you wish to discuss "words have meaning" an adult who sets a bomb next to an 8 year old child and walks away to safety is a coward

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 19, 2013 02:29 PM (HVff2)

594 Well written post ace. Glad you mentioned Bushido. My instructor however always tried to teach me that if you knew someone was going to start a fight with you, throw the first punch. I can't be that way. Thankfully, in four instances it hasn't bitten me in the backside. And it's kept anyone from getting hurt. In his defense, he was looking after "one of his men." The same as I would if I had men under me in a war zone. Fair? Fair means all my guys come home alive. But when circumstances allow, the following has always meant a lot to me. A code if you will. Control, rather than hurt. Hurt, rather than injure. Injure, rather than maim. Maim, rather than kill.

Posted by: teej at April 19, 2013 02:32 PM (M3APu)

595 Is it just me or does Deval Patrick, remind you of Blaine Edwards? More like Blaine and Antoine.

Posted by: Truman North at April 19, 2013 02:36 PM (ny+t0)

596

Placing a bomb next to a child takes a special kind of hatred and callous disregard for human life, and it requires conviction; none of that requires bravery.

 

Having said that and having read Erickson's column, I got the impression that he was simply trying to say don't underestimate the conviction of this enemy, or his resolve to kill you and/or your loved ones in the manner most convenient and cost effective to him.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 19, 2013 02:36 PM (9MF8B)

597 595 - I don't get this placed next to an 8 year old child stuff... as if it would be any better if he placed it when the child wasn't there and the kid was elsewhere in the blast radius or had walked into it after the perp left the scene or swapped out for the 19 year old. If you want these guys cowards do so, but don't say it's because of the 8 year old, that just doesn't make much sense.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 19, 2013 02:38 PM (7mQyC)

598 Post feels like a non-issue to me. There are different kinds of cowardice. There's physical cowardice, like Erick seems to be referencing and there's moral cowardice which covers different territory. Speaking for myself only, yeah I'm afraid of a fair fight. I might get hurt or killed in a fair fight. If I HAVE to fight, to save my own life or the life of a loved one, I'll make it as unfair as possible...on my side. But this really feels like a tempest in a teapot, fun to bullshit about but signifying little.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 19, 2013 02:39 PM (3Znbm)

599 My only defense, these days against Robert Redford, formerly liked actor, is to immediately trash the "Sundance" catalogs that come in the mail.

Posted by: Electric at April 19, 2013 03:39 PM (S+L7S)

600

Words.....

 

They have meaning.

 

Erickson's reasoning and writing sucks, one of the reasons Red State is no longer a daily, nay, monthly read now.

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at April 19, 2013 04:15 PM (IanLz)

601 Ok this being milt, set a fucking bomb nextmtomunsuspecting human being and walk away, it's cowardly, go blow chow douche bag tool

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 19, 2013 05:13 PM (HVff2)

602

Tried to post this at RedState but can't login. No, jihadists don't even have physical courage:


To understand how thoroughly cowardly these boys are/were, you need to understand the Islamic doctrine that drives them. Islam is set up so that every Muslim, according to doctrine, will necessarily burn in Hell forever. No one can meet the standards. There is just one loophole. Those who die as "martyrs," "fighting in the way of Allah" (attacking infidels), are guaranteed the highest level of Islamic heaven, with the 72 virgins etcetera.


When a Muslim like the older brother becomes "very religious," that means that he takes the Muslim superstitions about burning in Hell forever very seriously, and it scares him shitless. He also gets drawn into jihad ideology and starts thinking a lot about killing and dying, so the consequences of dying become central to him. Where Hamlet is motivated just by his uncertainty about how a possible afterlife would judge suicide, the jihadist is much more powerfully driven by his certainty that dying not in the way of Allah would mean endless torture. That's why once they start down this road they become more and more determined to die committing murder. It is indeed cowardice, a physical cowardice, shaped by their superstitious fear of burning forever in the Islamic Hell.


To ignorant western observers jihad fighters can SEEM brave, but inside of tiny little brains and hearts they truly are the most cowardly pieces of $#!% on the planet, as anyone ought to know just from the fact that they set a bomb down next to an eight year old boy and a bunch of other innocent spectators. If I SLAPPED an eight year old boy Erickson would call me a coward, but he makes an exception for these guys because they want to die committing murder in the belief that it will allow them to avoid eternal hellfire? More like, in addition to being the worst cowards, Islamic jihadists are also the stupidest most gullible fraction of mankind, sucked into actually believing the stupidest most evil superstition ever concocted.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at April 19, 2013 05:46 PM (kTTUz)

603

The definitions you want are:

Courage: Doing what is right despite your fear.

Cowardice: Doing what is wrong because it is easier.

Understood in that context we see that they are not strictly antonyms, even though they frequently appear to be such because of responses to the circumstances and stresses of combat.
And from there, everything written here about why those who follow the martial code are considered "courageous" while those who violate are considered "cowardly" follows naturally and logically.

Posted by: Sam at April 19, 2013 05:54 PM (wZIgv)

604

I've been thinking about this overnight, and I can't keep silent. I'm no soldier -- failed medical exam. I'm a civilian. But I've seen and read and heard enough that I've as much right to weigh in as anyone else here.

Murdering marathon runners is a vile, despicable act.

But I don't appreciate it when some compare this act with soldiers and say that what soldiers or knights do is 'cowardly'. Don't judge these murderers like soldiers. They aren't in the same moral universe.

Judge them as men, boys, at peace. People who are supposed to have a sense of fair play and justice and compassion for their neighbors. People who are supposed to 'pick on someone their own side' and protect the weak and helpless , not kill them.

Don't judge them as soldiers.

A soldier at is a man (or woman, these days), who has raised his hand and sworn an oath, then sent out to kill or be killed in some hellhole.

A soldier isn't supposed to be a hero. A soldier, and a policeman, has an obligation to accomplish the mission and come back home with as many friends ALIVE as possible. That means NEVER, EVER FIGHTING FAIR. That means no heroics if at all possible. Heroics by enlisted are a sign of poor planning and failure by officers. That means stacking the deck as far as possible and not giving the enemy a ghost of an even break.

In short, that means being a 'coward'.

Look at some of the things WE did during world war 2. Google 'battle of the bismarck sea'. We massacred a Japanese troop convoy and we killed as many of the soldiers in the water after their ships were sunk as we could. Because every soldier who made it to shore would take a great deal of killing, and take American lives with him.

Or consider the firebombing of Tokyo, the mass incendiary drop of all Japanese cities and the final atom bombing of Japan. All to avoid a ground assault with millions of people.

'Cowardly'? It's easy to say fifty years later in air-conditioned rooms. When words like Guadalcanal, Tarawa, New Guinea, Saipan, Iwo Jima, Okinawa are barely words in history books. When Banzai charges and enemies who would NOT surrender but had to either be killed or commit suicide. Easy to say, and utterly wrong-headed.

I have no use for a soldier , or an officer, who would sacrifice even one more life, or fail his mission , to avoid the adjective 'cowardly'. I have no use for a soldier who would eschew a chance to kill his enemy safely in order to fight him 'fairly'. Just being in some hole like Afghanistan and outside the wire is bravery enough for any man. And if any man feels differently, I challenge them to do it!

The ethics of war are not the ethics of peace. So I will not insult soldiers by comparing what they do to stay alive with murdering unarmed civilians in a marathon. By young men who can't think of any better way to make a mark on the world than killing people who have done them no harm. The actions of these terrorist deserve nothing but contempt.     To do so is to elevate the terrorists beyond their deserts, and it does an injustice to the men who are even now having to go in harm's way to fight them.

Posted by: Brian Pendell at April 20, 2013 03:50 AM (Ut0oZ)

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