February 27, 2013
— Ace Big for CPAC, and also a great big announcement that Carson's interest in the presidency is more than strictly hypothetical.
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(Sucks though that may be.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 27, 2013 10:01 AM (3Uu2V)
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 10:01 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 10:01 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 10:01 AM (g5wi5)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 10:01 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:01 AM (xN73L)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:02 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:02 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:02 AM (LCRYB)
(Sucks though that may be.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (3Uu2V)
--Zero broke the mold. Head-to-head against Shrillary or Slow Joe, do you really think people will see him as *less* likable?
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 10:02 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:02 AM (8sCoq)
Welcome to Dr. Carson's OFFICIAL facebook
page. Updates will be from Dr. Carson and his team. Official twitter
page is, @realbencarson. We look forward to hearing from you! -Team BC
http://tinyurl.com/c6oxdpb
Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 27, 2013 10:03 AM (X6akg)
What about the current evidence to the contrary? The SCOAMT had a thick resume, did he? How many votes did he not just vote "Present" on in the IL Leg?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:03 AM (xN73L)
Not even close. Grbac actually attempted to compete at Joe Montana's level.
I think it's like comparing Joe Montana's to Al Bundy's.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:03 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 10:03 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 10:03 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2013 10:03 AM (JfxJx)
Posted by: Mr Pink at February 27, 2013 10:04 AM (6Q82S)
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (T0NGe)
--Al Bundy actually started on his championship high school team. Go lower.
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 10:04 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (r2PLg)
WHOOMP! There it is!
Love this guy.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 27, 2013 01:59 PM (CA2NO)
MWR, any update on getting some pics of your "fat wife"? Us morons wanna know! 
Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (xIzGn)
Meritocracy my ass.
Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (OQpzc)
--You are aware of what Dr. Carson has accomplished, right?
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (g5wi5)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (8sCoq)
Also hardest hit: Tourétte.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (eHIJJ)
I'm just about ready for someone with zero previous legislative experience.
OTOH, we already have that with TFG.
Historical!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:05 AM (LCRYB)
Looks like.
Let's hope he doesn't flame out like the others.
Really, I'm sure the guy is awesome, but one speech does not an outstanding political leader make. For all I picked fun at tsrblke, I'll say I largely agree with him: wouldn't it be better for him to become a Senator, Representative, or Governor before looking at the Presidency? I'd kind of like a political history to be able to evaluate.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (xN73L)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (ZX0Je)
Meritocracy my ass.
Gee, almost like law school. Imagine.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (LCRYB)
Dr. Ben Carson has saved lives -
big deal. So has Herbert Cain ... pizza saves lives. It's a fact.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 27, 2013 10:06 AM (J8DGo)
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (+iA5G)
Yes, he kicks ass, but would he be a sudden celebrity is he were white?
Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: Mr Pink at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (6Q82S)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (+k5d1)
Awesome. That guy is great.
Unfortunately, he will not be able to compete with the Hillary/Christie ticket and the FSA in 2016.
More than 50% of the people think Oblather is great and more than 50% work for some kind of govt and more than 50% don't pay any federal taxes.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (8sCoq)
Or not.
Posted by: James Earl Carter at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (g5wi5)
--
That shouldn't be a problem, we can always create something.
Posted by: Dan Rather, spokesman for fake but accurate at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (JfxJx)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (Fely/)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 27, 2013 10:07 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:08 AM (r2PLg)
Great set-up for a future book deal and guest spots on Fox News
Posted by: 9-9-9 at February 27, 2013 10:08 AM (iEoiA)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:08 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 10:08 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Tourette Niblet at February 27, 2013 10:09 AM (kKzNI)
I was being facetious - didn't we already fall in/out of love with Christie, Rubio, Rand, et al?
Eric Cantor and Ryan too?
I'm sure we'll find something about Sen Cruz we don't like shortly
let's advance an idea, not a person
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:09 AM (8sCoq)
Yes, he kicks ass, but would he be a sudden celebrity is he were white?
Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (OQpzc)
--Probably not, but then if he were white I doubt he would have done the Prayer Breakfast thing, either.
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 10:09 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 10:09 AM (ZX0Je)
I think we determined that Obama is all about illusions and appearences.
A few years as a State Senator and a 2 years as a regular senator gave the appearance and illusion of previous experience.
Carson doesn't even have that.
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 27, 2013 10:09 AM (3Uu2V)
Posted by: cajun carrot at February 27, 2013 10:10 AM (UZQM8)
He clearly worries them. Expect him to get the full Clarence Thomas hi tech lynching. I hope he's ready for it.
Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (0PiQ4)
He's got brass balls, I'll tell you that.
Maybe he can be the Pope of the GOP or something.
Or run for senate in MD. Please? I'd campaign for him.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 10:10 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Tissue at February 27, 2013 10:10 AM (LOCID)
Between republican back-stabbers and dem-financed Private Investigators, he doesn't stand a chance. More than half the casualties last time were "friendly" fire.
Posted by: Rule #2 at February 27, 2013 10:10 AM (CypDC)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:10 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:08 PM (r2PLg)
I kinda had hopes for former CO gov Bill Owens, but the guy has virtually disappeared
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:10 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: ace
Spoilin' for a fight ?
That's a paddlin'
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2013 10:10 AM (Ipj15)
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (ZX0Je)
In contrast with She Who Shant Be Named I'd rather there be more real world impact outside of the right-wing blogosphere...
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Poo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (U/+f9)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (vyPsz)
I hope he's ready for it.
He alread threw down the gauntlet against the MFM. Someone asked him about them digging up dirt on him, he responded, essentially, "Bring it on."
And his splashy entrance didn't hurt either. Nothing like blasting TFG when he's sitting withing spitting distance. That's what we need a lot more of, and he did it in the nicest way possible.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Pizza Man at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (nZvGM)
Benji Unchained?
Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (GQ8sn)
The problem for them is the number of tribes. They've figured out who they need to placate (gays) and who they can ignore (blacks) and who they can pander to with empty gestures (hispanics) and who they must pay off (unions).
They fall apart when each part of the coalition wants their fair share.
But Obama's a good demagogue. He keeps their hate focused.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Buzzion at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (KpQ2N)
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 10:11 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2013 10:12 AM (JfxJx)
Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 10:12 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 10:12 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 10:12 AM (XjfiS)
Posted by: Marmo at February 27, 2013 10:12 AM (QW+AD)
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 10:12 AM (ZX0Je)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:12 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (4cRnj)
The man is brilliant and has given many, many speeches They just haven't been televised for the public. I think he's something of a motivational speaker, too. He recalls his background and how he climbed to a position of great status and expertise against the odds to inspire the less privileged.
The man is very impressive. I don't believe him to be naive about politics, either. He's pretty un-PC which is worth zillions in conservative-cred points.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (eHIJJ)
So he's not an idiot, that helps.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (+iA5G)
CEO of the Black Chamber of Commerce just called Obama a borderline communist yesterday. What about him?
Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (l86i3)
Posted by: Manti T'eo [/i] at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (OQpzc)
He's no Chris Christie...
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (AWmfW)
Honestly, I don't think it matters. I seriously do not believe that the voting public cares about qualifications anymore. Certainly not if the person running is a Democrat, and apparently not if the candidate is a Republican (Or Romney would have cleaned the floor with Obama this time around).
Qualifications seem not to enter into it. Now it's all star power and celebrity. I'm pretty certain Will Smith or Ben Afleck (sp?) or MATT! DAMON! (played by Brian Dennehy) could win election over any Republican we put up.
And now I need to go find a bottle of strychnine.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:13 AM (xN73L)
Posted by: cajun carrot at February 27, 2013 10:14 AM (UZQM8)
What are his policies, his political leanings, and his objectives? Truly we do need to find out more about him.
Posted by: Vic at February 27, 2013 10:14 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Chang and Eng at February 27, 2013 10:14 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:14 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 10:14 AM (XjfiS)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:14 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/b][/i][/u] at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (CA2NO)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (LCRYB)
I consider his not being a politician a feature not a but. Anyway, he is just as qualified to be president as a community organizer.
Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (XvrTA)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Tissue at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (LOCID)
Obama never had a real job with real responsibility. Carson does have that.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (LCRYB)
They have, more than once, outed people working on campaigns because the candidate did not tow the gay line. (Is that a double entendre? Probably. Anyway...)
There is a reason Andrew Breitbart had chosen to resign from their board.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (T0NGe)
Isn't Dr. Carson known as the medical profession's Dwight D. Eisenhower? I thought I heard that somewhere.
Posted by: Meghan's McCans at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (tl7W6)
Posted by: Joey Bite-me at February 27, 2013 10:15 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:16 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Buzzion at February 27, 2013 10:16 AM (pjnaP)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:16 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:16 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (l86i3)
Oh so he's a RINO. Vic's words not mine. Okay at least his anticipated words but its almost a sure bet.
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 10:16 AM (m2CN7)
Carson's tax plan is to follow the Bible, which is we would all tithe to the government. I get where he is coming from but it is hard to say how far he could go with that. He does have a record of achievement which is nice but we need to be careful.
Herman Cain.
Posted by: Ken Royall at February 27, 2013 10:16 AM (x0g8a)
Posted by: Former Republican at February 27, 2013 10:17 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 10:17 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:17 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 10:17 AM (G58bp)
finished his term and went home.
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:17 AM (8sCoq)
So he's not an idiot, that helps.
He should have either given them a fake speech or a copy of the Constitution.
Or maybe a math textbook.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:18 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (XvrTA)
--
Especially when you look at who is counting (or not counting, as the case may be) the votes.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2013 10:18 AM (JfxJx)
Okay, great.
Where does he stand on the Right of Return?
What does he believe about the TSA, or all of DHS for that matter?
Pro-life or pro-choice?
What does he believe is the proper roll of the Federal Government?
I'm sure he's brilliant. I'm sure he's used to speaking in public. I'm not sure how conservative he is (for all we know he could be Huckabee II), or how he would handle himself in the arena of politics.
I'd like to have some idea about those things before I go buy pom-poms.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:18 AM (xN73L)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 10:18 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 10:19 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at February 27, 2013 10:19 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 10:19 AM (t06LC)
Benjamin Carson is dangerous because he CONTRADICTS EVERY FUCKING NARRATIVE OF THE LEFT.
He is their kryptonite. No welfare, no dependency on the state. Self reliance and hard work.
THIS. ELEVENTY!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND UNITE!!!
Everyone asks like Reagan just arrived on the fucking scene. he fought the establishment terribly for decades, BUT HE NEVER SPOKE ILL OF THEM.
do you get the fucking picture. Be civil amongst friends. Be direct and clear to the point against enemies. Use mockery on ideas not people.
THIS IS HOW WE WIN..... You think 2012 was bad, imagine being Reagan and getting the fucking ass pounding that was the goldwater election.
Did he give up? Did he say LIB??? FUCK NO. He won, and he won big time. Demographics won't prevent us from winning. Only we will. Anyone else that says anything different is a liar.
Dr. Benjamin Carson is our fucking demographic. Now are we going to STAND AND FIGHT, or lie down like little pussies.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 10:19 AM (tVTLU)
no he's just one of the most accomplished brain surgeons in the world. Obviously he's unsuited for the more-intellectual field of politics.
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (LCRYB)
Love ya' ace -- no homo -- but even smart people can lack the political temperament. See Sunnunu, John, retired nuclear engineer.
Posted by: joncelli at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (+iA5G)
Grbac wasn't great but at least he could throw a pass.
Posted by: Ed Gibbon at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (4eNxd)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (QupBk)
I don't really agree with that in this context. We are talking about a job that must be filled with a man (or a woman, or, who am I kidding, a man) and not an idea.
In the philosophical context, we are devoted to ideas not men, but when it comes to elections, Ideas are not running for Senate.
I'd like to see a man in the Office who embodies the ideas of (in no certain order), the Constitution should be adhered to at all times (which means a smaller, less intrusive and less expensive government), capitalism is good, we should be free of meddling busybodied bureaucrats, we are individuals with our own dreams and ambitions united by Americanism and all the good things that involves.
I don't hear anyone on our side saying anything close to that, which is why we're losing IMHO.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Serious Cat at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (HXQlV)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:20 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 10:21 AM (t06LC)
Or maybe a math textbook.
Posted by: AmishDude
It's sounds like he played it perfectly by not letting on until his kick to the nuts.
Don't telegraph your intentions until it is certain the opponent can't respond.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2013 10:21 AM (Ipj15)
Yeah -- I agree with Allen G. I am not sure one speech means we should plan what to wear to the coronation.
Also, to be blunt, the way the GOP seems to slobber over the next Great Black Hope (Cain, Carson) if anything highlights the lack of African American presence in the party. Carson is saying some great things -- and I think his experience makes him uniquely qualified to understand the issues associated with ObamaCare. But how about we consider him first for something like Secretary of HHS or Surgeon General, before we having him running for President.
Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 10:21 AM (fkBVg)
They disagree with one part of the conservative canon. I disagree with GOProud on that point, but I don't think anyone is shoving them down our throat if we don't swing that way. Points of contention naturally get discussed more often than points of agreement. No one in conservative forums has maintained that I am a bigot for not supporting gay marriage. Except for maybe some Ronulan Trolls. But they think all sorts of strange things.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 10:21 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 10:21 AM (tVTLU)
pay to watch that, I would. That Fat Bitch and her flunkies would tie themselves in knots; big tricky impossible knots
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 10:21 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:22 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 10:22 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: Happy to be in Texas at February 27, 2013 10:22 AM (44PWr)
We need more info on this guy before we anoint conservative hope of the week.
Posted by: Dr Spank
Are you kidding? He's ethnic! Who cares what he thinks? We love him so much our belly clenches when we see him!
Posted by: The Republicans Who Used to Love Colin Powell
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 27, 2013 10:22 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:18 PM (xN73L)
I hear you and agree to a point. But I am not looking at his CPAC appearance as the event that drives us all-in for his presidential run. I am excited that this appearance is going to attract a lot more eyeballs and ears to CPAC and conservative ideas. There is plenty of time for the rest of it. I am with Ace - big get for CPAC.
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 10:22 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 10:22 AM (CBCxo)
Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 10:22 AM (0PiQ4)
Replace "even" with "especially".
Politicians succeed when they lie. This is why...oh, you know the drill.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:22 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:23 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: chique d'afrique on her phone at February 27, 2013 10:23 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 10:23 AM (052zE)
he then returned to the private sector, although he was Co-Chair of Romney's Colorado campaign
Bill Owens is why Coloradans have concealed carry
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:24 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:24 AM (LCRYB)
Don't telegraph your intentions until it is certain the opponent can't respond.
True. I keep forgetting that they didn't know who he was.
They won't forget now.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:24 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 10:24 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 10:24 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 27, 2013 10:24 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:24 AM (wbmaj)
oooo, catchy phrase, might steal that. <GN>BTW "god" need not be capitalized for this usage. </GN>
The flipside of that is Rove refuses to understand that everyone in your party isn't necessarily on your side.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (ItCyz)
That's all. Get your panties out of a twist.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (X6akg)
I have to disagree, Ace.
The Tea Parties, as I see them, are not rejecting that a person who is 100% right on ideology may be unelectable, they are rejecting the idea that it's worth winning the election if the person is only 50% right on ideology, or even 80% if that 20% he's missing is in sufficiently important areas.
In those cases, they'll put up the 100% guy and hope, rather than 50% guy who will only manage the decline anyway, and who may still lose.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (xN73L)
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (8s2Zq)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (XYSwB)
Those who don't think he's been exposed to ruthless politics has never worked for a large hospital or medical group. And I know national and world politics is different, but the roots of all politics are the same.
Yeah, surgeons are arrogant/confident. Same as all medical professionals on the front line. One couldn't do their job if they didn't have it.
Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 10:25 AM (+k5d1)
Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (X6akg)
I'm not wearing any. I haven't worn pants since Monday.
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:26 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 27, 2013 10:26 AM (3r8Vz)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 27, 2013 10:26 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:26 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:27 AM (wbmaj)
The problem with GOProud isn't ideological, it's personal. Like I said above, they use "outing" as a weapon and generally do this -- should I say it? -- drama queen routine every year.
Frankly, the first time they wanted into CPAC, I thought "great, they aren't those log cabin douches who can't even muster fiscal conservatism" but the CPACers may have had the measure of Chris Barron more than I did.
Remember, as big as politics seems, it's really a small club.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:27 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 10:27 AM (Y4TdB)
"The keynote speaker at CPAC is [clang!]"
"What'd he say?"
"I think he said, 'The keynote speaker at CPAC is near."
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 27, 2013 10:27 AM (VjL9S)
All of us down at the Brattleboro WomanÂ’s Reproductive and Pregnancy Decision Center think that this Dr. Crson is a racist pawn of the Vast right wing conspiracy to make Presdent Obama and persons of color look bad. We hope that the Amercon peeple support Presdent obama with his plan to make America a less racist and mean county.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at February 27, 2013 10:27 AM (90aTA)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:27 AM (LCRYB)
I like Carson and am looking forward with cautious optimism to learning more about him. HOWEVER,...
These "Anybody but Whitey" and "Vagina Owners Only" vibes going on in the GOP and in politics in general is pretty damn troubling. If discrimination was wrong back then, it's wrong now.
Boy am I naive or what?
Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 10:27 AM (4I3Uo)
Are you still able to come within 100 ft of schools?
Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 10:27 AM (GQ8sn)
I kinda had hopes for former CO gov Bill Owens, but the guy has virtually disappeared
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (8sCoq)
Dead girl, Live Boy? Posted by: Oldsailors Poet
Out of wedlock child with a mistress who worked for him is the actual answer. Wasn't in the news because he declined to run for senate.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 10:28 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 10:28 AM (CBCxo)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (wbmaj)
--Yup. I`m re-watching The Wire yet again, and by all accounts the protrayl of Maryland politics was accurate. What a cesspool. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-it.
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 10:28 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 10:29 AM (XjfiS)
Posted by: Dang at February 27, 2013 10:29 AM (R18D0)
Police arrest 36-year-old Erik Brown after they say he slapped a 16-year-old boy in the face with a Taco Bell burrito.
According to the arrest report, the boy was having a “verbal altercation” with his mother and brother-in-law.
* * *
Zero bonus points for correctly surmising the location of the event.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2013 10:29 AM (Ipj15)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 10:29 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:29 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 10:29 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: Katy Kuric [/i] at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (8sCoq)
Which Monday?
Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (X6akg)
But I hope you will excuse me if, after: Chris Christie, Hermann Cain, and whoever else on the list of "Next Conservative Hope" have failed that I'll temper my enthusiasm.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (xN73L)
Sorry to be the cynical guy in the room, but would we be promoting Carson like this if he was white? I doubt it.
Now, that is not a knock on Carson -- he appears to be a highly accomplished surgeon and has thought deeply about medical care and medical insurance issues. But just because he is an expert in those areas, does not make him the next POTUS.
I also agree that is perfectly fine to take into account racial/geographic/gender identity of a potential candidate -- if that fact can help bring in some votes. But it should not be the overriding consideration.
I definitely want to hear more from Carson. And, I like what I have heard so far, but lets see how he does.
Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (fkBVg)
Check out Drudge. The WH finally jumped the shark.
There're two things I hate about morons:
(1) Talking about things in their local area without telling where they live. We don't know you, give us a general location as opposed to "around here".
(2) Telling us to check out some other website (usually Drudge or HotAir). Summarize, people.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 10:30 AM (pZDxu)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:31 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 10:31 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2013 10:31 AM (fWAjv)
Boy am I naive or what?
Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (4I3Uo)
Rand is still my guy. White dudes rule!!!
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 10:31 AM (xAtAj)
Check out Drudge. The WH finally jumped the shark.
Posted by: mrp at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (HjPtV)
--Not terribly egregious for this White House. Lying shitbags, they are.
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 10:31 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2013 10:31 AM (8s2Zq)
I think that's the consensus around here.
Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (CBCxo)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (wbmaj)
So what is she going to do, call them back?
Posted by: joncelli at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (RD7QR)
A white guy wouldn't be allowed to say the things he did to Obama's stupid fat face because RACISM!!!
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (LCRYB)
Depends on the girl. Ms. Upton, my offer still stands. Pay no heed to this rapscallion.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (QupBk)
I have to say, it does piss me off when people say that Obama had some sort of electoral handicap being black. Quite the opposite.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (XjfiS)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 27, 2013 10:32 AM (q177U)
Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 10:33 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:33 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:33 AM (wbmaj)
Hey - they are on "supervised released" - so she could totes get them back anytime she wants.
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 10:33 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2013 10:33 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (t06LC)
Yeah, about that...
Posted by: Ms. Upton's Lawyers at February 27, 2013 10:33 AM (RD7QR)
I said it the other day and i'll say it again
it doesn't matter who the hell you run, the democratic candidate will win because you rethugiKKKants are short sighted idiots
I have to run cause its 44mag and AR15 day at the range and we start at 10
maybe, just maybe i'll explain it to you simpletons when I get back
amazing, it takes a democrat who is actually running for office to tell you idiots how to win a fucking election
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 27, 2013 10:33 AM (3r8Vz)
Guys,
We have to do our own internals here. I love Sarah Palin and think she's fantastic. With that out of the way, can we turn to fucking reality here.
The media are nothing but jackals that will go after any candidate any way they can.
We need WALKING DEAD candidates. What I mean by that, is that by their very existence they DESTROY the same stupid fucking narrative that the media has put in Americans' minds about the GOP.
So how does that apply to Palin. Are you fucking kidding me, a semi-hot, Fargo accented chick who does somehow tend to produce crazed-looking stills. ARE YOU GUYS ALL FROM THE NORTH WOODS OR CAN YOU HEAR THAT FUCKING ACCENT.
Just like a crazy northerner accent, a crazy southern accent won't work as well. Sorry Haley Barbour, your chances are doomed.
Politics is so much about optics these days. WE HAVE TO ADAPT AND COUNTER rather than getting assfucked all the time. Jesus, I like Palin and I already knew it was a joke when I heard her speak at the VP debate.
Polished minorities and middle class whites, that carry our message well, is who we need to be the face of the GOP. THAT WILL BE THE ONLY WAY THE MESSAGE GETS THROUGH.
Boehner is ok, but look at fucking Eric Cantor. The guy looks like a fucking pretentious retard, AND I SUPPORT HIM.
If we can't be honest about optics then we will lose for the forseeable future on the national stage. It's really that simple.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 10:34 AM (tVTLU)
Disagree. I think the tea party wants to win just as much as the establishment. They just don't happen to see charlie crist and dick lugar as winning.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (8s2Zq)
Baggers! all of them!
Posted by: Arlen Specter at February 27, 2013 10:34 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (xAtAj)
Unless they're joos.
Posted by: SecDef Chuck Hagel, Rand Paul approved! at February 27, 2013 10:34 AM (T0NGe)
Well it is a balance on the scale. 'cmon ... McCain. There needed to be weight put on the other side of the scale. It still needs to be there. Reality is not everything the Tea Party wants, but neither is it what Rove et al will settle for to get an (R). Both lead to DOOM in the long run. The tea party pressure on the GOP is needed, even if the tea party is often unwise with the candidates.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 10:34 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 10:34 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: lincolntf at February 27, 2013 10:34 AM (ZshNr)
241 ya don't got to marry a girl just because you want to see her tits.
you've never met mrscopjoe ace
i'll send you the dreaded 40th bday at the beach pic
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 27, 2013 10:34 AM (3r8Vz)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:34 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:35 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 10:35 AM (B/VB5)
No one believes that.
Looks like that little trial balloon was made of mylar.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:35 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: BignJames at February 27, 2013 10:35 AM (Sg0G/)
Posted by: THE MSM - Your betters [/i] at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (wbmaj)
What does he believe about the TSA, or all of DHS for that matter?
Pro-life or pro-choice?
What does he believe is the proper roll of the Federal Government?"
To 1 and 2, don't know.
To 3, he's Seventh-Day Adventist Christian, so very limited-abortion.
To 4, he bashed Federal spending, Obamacare, our educational system; he promoted "flat-tax" and likened it to a limited "tithe". It would be easy to infer a limited role of government.
That he said all of point 4 to Obama says to me he doesn't fear him which is more than can be said about 90% of the GOP.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (X6akg)
Just this past Monday. I'm no bum.
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (8sCoq)
"I'm not jumping on the Carson for
president bandwagon after one speech and a couple of interviews."
I am. I'm jumping. I'm in a jumping mood. I'm tired of living in a crouch of fear and despair. Jumping I am.
Posted by: rrpjr at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (3ChLr)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (g5wi5)
Because being "Pragmatic" for the last 60 years has worked so well. We had a decent run with Reagan (and, I'll point out, most Tea Partiers would take Reagan in a heart-beat- even knowing that he had approved Amnesty and ended up raising tax rates). Every other Republican President in the last 60 years has either merely managed the decline or actively made things worse.
So, yes, the Tea Parties would like to stop doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. What we'd really like are likeable, non-wonkish people who would stand up for the principles we hold dear. Until that happens, we'll keep putting up people who at least do stand up for the principles we hold dear.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (xN73L)
I think this is why the Tea Party and Rove are fighting. The Tea Party just won't accept the idea that a candidate may be completely right on ideology and yet unelectable due to biography/personal appeal considerations.
----
Ok. But, I'd argue two-way street. The Rovians don't seem to be able to accept that a candiate who does have an ideology that appeals to the TPers could possibly be electable. Chicken and egg, which is what is so exasperating about the whole thing.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 10:36 AM (CBCxo)
Boy am I naive or what?
Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (4I3Uo)
What's worse is you'll see people here and on other blogs moaning about boring old white guys. Sad to see supposed conservatives internalizing such leftist nonsense.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (BuSM8)
Since you asked, I am from the north woods. I have the same accent, eh. And quit yelling.
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile[/i] at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (NEk2w)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (UU0OF)
A Whitehall Township senior citizen got scared into sending $200 to the crooks. His computer isn't the only one locally that's caught the virus. An Allentown computer shop owner told me he's seen several infected PCs in the past few weeks.
Posted by: Nadya Suleman at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: USA at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (RIg+t)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: gm at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (/kBoL)
Is Miss Teen Delaware's porno still linked?
Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 10:37 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Serious Cat at February 27, 2013 10:38 AM (UypUQ)
I love Clarence Thomas and think he is brilliant and his story is just as uplifting if not moreso than Carson.
That said, I would not advocate for him to be President as my first choice only because in spite of his brilliance it seems he has trouble balancing a check book and handling his own money. At least according to his biography.
Ideology has to be backed up with the ability to discern cause and effect, grasp of economics and leadership and management skills.
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 10:38 AM (m2CN7)
I would have for Hot Air. Drudge, however, is as subtle as a ball bat.
Posted by: mrp at February 27, 2013 10:38 AM (HjPtV)
"Can you throw Napolitano under a bus or do you need something bigger, like an aircraft carrier?"
JNap is most at home under a Subaru wagon.
Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 10:38 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 10:38 AM (UZuc4)
Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 10:38 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:38 AM (wbmaj)
Polished minorities and middle class whites, that carry our message well, is who we need to be the face of the GOP. THAT WILL BE THE ONLY WAY THE MESSAGE GETS THROUGH.
Posted by: Prescient11
I agree! Do I get my old parking space back?
Michael Steele
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 27, 2013 10:39 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 10:39 AM (Dll6b)
You mean if he had successfully thumbed his nose at a petulant Obama in a very public manner in such a way that all Obama could do was sit there smile and clap fleetingly and all the press could do was try not to talk too much about it and yet was white. You bet.
I'm not saying him being black didn't help him do all those things. I'm saying it wasn't our racism that is involved it was theirs. That's what he did, and that would get anyone of conservative mindset a speaking slot at CPAC regardless of race.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 10:39 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:39 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 10:39 AM (XjfiS)
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:39 PM (Dll6b)
I knew it was coming, but still. Down twinkies on that one.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 10:40 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:40 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: dogfish at February 27, 2013 10:40 AM (NuPNl)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (LCRYB)
------------------------------------------------
I've been to numerous Tea Party gatherings. All I've ever heard from anyone about idealism is returning to a more Constitutional governance and reforming the US tax code. How is that purist?
Every organization has their nuts. The Tea Party is no exception. But as a whole, I've found them very evenly keeled as to what needs to be done to restore this country.
And, yes, the TP has socons. But we're not going to have any fiscal conservatism without, at least, discussing social conservatism.
Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 10:40 AM (+k5d1)
And by WALKING DEAD political candidates, what I mean is when on the TV show they smeared themselves in zombie blood and used castrated zombies in chains to make it past all the other zombies.
We need to bathe in the blood of the left's/media's obvious attacks. Which are: GOP is out of touch, old, racist, homphobic white dudes that never fought in a war and who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and are really fucking rich.
That's what the left has, in a sentence. We need to slaughter these arguments with the faces of our candidates and get back to the message...
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 10:40 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2013 10:40 AM (w0StH)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:40 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:41 AM (LCRYB)
All of you are welcome to join my newly formed "Jack Daniels Party." Tea is for pussies. Posted by: Fourth Virginia
I'm more of a Makers Mark man.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 10:41 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 10:41 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:41 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 10:42 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:42 AM (LCRYB)
"I've been to numerous Tea Party gatherings. All I've ever heard from anyone about idealism is returning to a more Constitutional governance and reforming the US tax code. How is that purist?"
Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (+k5d1)
Thanks. Exactly right. I've been to a dozen tea party events. Totally level-headed and dedicated people.
Posted by: rrpjr at February 27, 2013 10:42 AM (3ChLr)
Posted by: Your Reality Check at February 27, 2013 10:42 AM (pmsMR)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:42 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: USA at February 27, 2013 10:43 AM (RIg+t)
"Rand voted for Hagel. Fuck him. "
What exactly was the inside baseball / too clever by half / will never become accepted history explaination for that bonehead move again?
Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 10:43 AM (4I3Uo)
Carson, a prominent neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins University, declined to do so, noting that he doesnÂ’t put his speeches down on paper beforehand.
“I told them that I don’t have an advance copy because I don’t write out my speeches and I don’t use teleprompters …they asked more than once ... I gave them the [Biblical] texts around which the remarks would be framed ... I said read those texts, the remarks will be framed around those ... that should have told them something,” Carson said in an interview with The Hill this week.
Posted by: Witch of the West at February 27, 2013 10:43 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (4cRnj)
For being such a young phenomenon and having powerful enemies , the tea party have great results.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 27, 2013 10:43 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 10:44 AM (XjfiS)
Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 27, 2013 10:44 AM (X6akg)
303
I am all for Carson speaking a CPAC. I also thought his speech was great -- regardless of the color of his skin. My only point is that there would be no presidential talk being swung around if a white surgeon gave that speech.
Lets be fair to Carson -- he is getting ready to get dunked into partisan politics. Lets see if he sinks or swims. If he swims -- then I am all for taking a closer look at him. But he just put his toe in the water. Let not set up our own affirmative action program for AA Republicans and promote people who have not proven themselves in the political arena. If he thrives in the political enviroment, then I could care less about the color of his skin.
Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 10:44 AM (fkBVg)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:44 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 10:44 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 10:44 AM (DlaLh)
Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (X6akg)
try FF
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:45 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 10:45 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 10:45 AM (XjfiS)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (39q3n)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:45 PM (8sCoq)
That's what I use. Page jumps all over the place before settling down.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (r2PLg)
Holy shit, in 151 ace said exactly what the fuck I'm saying. ELEVENTY!!!!
You fuckers are like Nixon refusing to put on makeup before a presidential debate.
OPTICS MATTER. ACCENTS MATTER.
Now get with the fucking program.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (CBCxo)
Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Poo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (U/+f9)
Posted by: NY Slime Editors at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Dr Spank
I'm not. I liked Cain but alas he came with baggage and the constant mantra of his 5 point (or whatever it was) plan got old fast.
I don't believe that you will find any hidden skeletons with the doc. I think that he has a very charasmatic and appealing personality across the board and of course is highly accomplished.
What would a debate between him and Hillary look like?
Posted by: Cheri at February 27, 2013 10:46 AM (G+Wff)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:42 PM (LCRYB)
Why buy the cow when you can get the MILF for free?
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:47 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 10:47 AM (4cRnj)
>>>The only pertinent question is can he get elected.
Short form answer: NO.
Long answer: He based his reply about taxation on Biblical prinicples. That's enough to pry open a can of fake worms for Libs/Progs of all stripes. Further utterances may confirm that, who knows?
I like the guy, I love that he told TFG to go fuck himself to his face. We need that. Dr. Carson may be a leading light for a new direction. But he's not electable.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at February 27, 2013 10:47 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (X6akg)
could be a hardware issue, but I'm no expert. I don't even wear pants, most days.
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:47 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:47 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 10:47 AM (6zgse)
took on Orange Charlie, he did, as well as what's left of the Old Bush Crowd in Fla
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 10:47 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 10:48 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:48 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (39q3n)
We prefer to crucify all our candidates for minor infractions. Even though the '16 field looks better than.... boy I dunno, since Reagan I guess?
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 10:48 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: ace
*faints*
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 10:48 AM (4cRnj)
Ahh. A whiskey debate within a tea party vs republican debate rapped up in a conservative vs libertarian debate.
That's what brings me to the AoSHQ.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 10:49 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (BuSM
--Name a white male Republican over 60 *you* can see winning in '16.
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 10:49 AM (+iA5G)
Here's the question, Ace. Did the Tea Party support Scott Brown? Did they support Chris Christie (we knew he was a gun-grabber from the beginning)?
Yes. Of course we know that the outcome of elections matter. And of course we know that getting someone who agrees with us 10% is better than someone who agrees 0% when those are the only two option.
What we reject is that (in most cases) those are the only two options. Sharon Angle looked like she was going to win up to the day before election day. The Tea Parties also supported Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
How many "establishment" or "pragmatic" candidates have lost in the last 5 years, ace? You have a definite selection bias here- you choose to remember the losers as "Tea Party Candidates" and either don't label the Tea Party candidates who won as such, or pretend "Well, everyone supported them," when that is not the case.
If the Tea Parties are responsible for Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell, why don't the "pragmatists" have to be responsible for John McCain and Mitt Romney?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:49 AM (xN73L)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:49 AM (LCRYB)
None of this is about race. Black liberals demonize black conservatives as much or more than white liberals demonize white conservatives. The tribalism at play here is ideology, cast in the guise of race.
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:49 AM (wbmaj)
Obviously, part of Carson's appeal is he seems to stand up to Obama, which he did in his own personal way, right in front of him. We conservatives are a little dejected because we don't see a lot of that right now.
But Carson clearly has much more to offer than simply that.
I say we wish him well and see where he is in a couple years. But get him out there, get him some experience. As OSP said, let's take a little test drive.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 10:49 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (w0StH)
A bad case of Tourette.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 27, 2013 10:50 AM (AWmfW)
That's what brings me to the AoSHQ.
but what's the sex angle?
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 10:50 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: cajun carrot at February 27, 2013 10:50 AM (UZQM8)
"I'll tell you what, what I'd really like to see is the ideas of an Article V convention or actual secession start being taken seriously."
Uh -- if you care about winning elections, I am not sure that is a position I would seriously advocate as electoral strategy.
Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 10:50 AM (fkBVg)
Jindal
Carson
Martinez
Rubio
Nikki Haley
All minorities/women, which would shatter the reputation of the GOP being led by white-males if 3-4 of thoese decide to run. On top of quality candidates like Walker and Pence, we could end up with an embarrassment of riches from which to vote for.
Posted by: Serious Cat at February 27, 2013 10:50 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:50 AM (r2PLg)
and she ain't paid(in theory) to be big chested punching bag for Tarde...yet here we sit.
You show me any intelligent analysis by DD Cupp on anything I'll show you a medal for being more perceptive than me.
DD sleeps literally and figuratively with the enemy and convinces none our cause is better.
"flush"
Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 10:51 AM (LRFds)
A conservative Black vote.
I pray Carson hasn't been fucking around.
I am sure if he has, the MSM is interviewing the girl/boy right now.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 10:51 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 10:51 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 10:51 AM (QupBk)
Jack Daniels' Party first Keynote speaker: George Thorogood to explain his inspiration for the classic "I Drink Alone."
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 10:52 AM (wbmaj)
Global trade is far too important to their growing economy. War would destroy their economy.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 10:52 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 10:52 AM (CBCxo)
"literally"? Her husband is chief-of-staff to a GOP Rep from ID.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 10:52 AM (T0NGe)
I'll feel bad for those left behind.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 10:52 AM (4cRnj)
eh I dunno maybe Allah at tepid id right and I have to start setting aside 8,500 for Kirspy Kreme....
then again I'm betting I'd rather have a few nice rifles or a stake in moron industries in texas...
Texas for the Texans.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 10:53 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:53 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 10:53 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 10:53 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: lincolntf at February 27, 2013 10:54 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 10:54 AM (z4WKX)
yeah it sure hurt the donks in 2001 and 2005 didn't it.
If Obama is a great American I am not one at all, if Krispy Kreme is the best the GOP can do I am not a republican.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 10:54 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:54 AM (r2PLg)
Your refusal to see some of the other facets of this are...disturbing.
The Republican party made it its business to ignore the base when it came to candidate selection. They also made it clear that until it cost them elections they would continue to ignore the base. So the base made it cost elections.
The price wasn't set by the tea party, it was set by the GOP. The tea party has made mistakes. But so has the GOP.
No I don't want to be out of power I would much rather have had those seats. But if we hadn't of pushed back at some point, we will never get a decent candidates. That said. I would sure like to have COD and Angle back.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 10:54 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 10:54 AM (052zE)
Ace is starting to win me over with his arguments.
Why don't we agree to some halfway incredibly stupid fucking idea that's almost consitutional? Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 10:54 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:54 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (0PiQ4)
Maybe because they simply became too annoying, as militant homosexuals are wont to do?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 27, 2013 10:55 AM (29+x5)
Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Boo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 10:55 AM (U/+f9)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:55 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 27, 2013 10:55 AM (feFL6)
Carson
Martinez
Rubio
Nikki Haley
Yup. I'd be thrilled to support any of those guys, Rubio included.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:53 PM (B/VB5)
Like I've been saying, the bench is super deep compared to previous years.
Add in Perry and Rand(haters gon' hate), and you basically have a buffet to choose from.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 10:55 AM (xAtAj)
Maybe he can be the Pope of the GOP or something.
Or run for senate in MD. Please? I'd campaign for him.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM
Agree. To have reached the top of his profession as not only a Neurosurgeon but a pediatric one as well is incredibly difficult. To perform the work he does takes nerves of steel, innovation, and brilliance.
I hope that he will also possess the ability to outwit the dimwit opposition and as Ace said - you have to have a measure of deviousness.
Posted by: Cheri at February 27, 2013 10:55 AM (G+Wff)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (LCRYB)
I can tell you I see a lot more "Seceede" stickers around these days. My dad, not a hyperpartisan but republican, mentioned it. Ace isn't someone I'd expect that from going back to some of the Obamacare threads. When the rank and file begin to think this, and I think thats happening to some degree, it becomes much more palpatable.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 10:55 AM (t06LC)
China has way too much to lose by attacking Taiwan/Japan.
Global trade is far too important to their growing economy. War would destroy their economy.
----
History tells me that sometimes countries don't always do what we perceive to be in their best economic interest. If you are in power and your economy starts to flunder (as China's may), you look for other ways to consolidate your power. War is very good for that.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 10:56 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Regular Moron at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (feFL6)
Good point!!!
Posted by: White Guilt Voter at February 27, 2013 10:56 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 10:56 AM (CBCxo)
Isn't that something they should agree with?
Posted by: ace a
Put down the strawmen. They are pissed at Rove for creating a PAC to shut down the TEA party candidates.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2013 10:56 AM (Ipj15)
I always found these events (college republicans, state party meeting, national conventions, etc) when I was younger, a free for all of epic proportions.
Memories, damn! Those twins at the Detroit convention. The red head at the College,,
Oh, never mind, going to my bunk.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 10:57 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 10:57 AM (6zgse)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 10:57 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:56 PM (gmeXX)
Ok... what history? Especially recently, considering the rise of globalization?
China is all about GDP. The only reason I could see war is if their GDP crashes *on their own*. Which isn't impossible I suppose, but otherwise war is extremely unlikely.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 10:57 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 10:57 AM (4cRnj)
sven10077
"seriously advocating".
What prominent Democrats were "seriously advocating" succession? And, if so, did anyone of consequence take them seriously?
Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 10:58 AM (fkBVg)
Ah forgive me....
you are of course correct...the guy her hubby works for just SOUNDED like a donk the day after the election.
My mistake....
no seriously I thought it was the New jersey fella menendez given his Barrio angst.
My bad
So DD just uses her ample charms to aid Chris Tingle and play straight Log Cabin Republican to tarde...
my bad
Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 10:58 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 10:58 AM (CBCxo)
Isn't that something they should agree with?
Part of it is considering the source. When Karl Rove says "We should promote electable candidates," what the Tea Parties hear (gee, I wonder why this could be) is "F*ck y'all."
When, say, a Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley says it? It would probably be different.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 10:58 AM (xN73L)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 10:59 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 10:59 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (4cRnj)
-----------------------------------------------
You're right. But we're learning. The TP is still considered a young movement. And we also must consider that it's a grassroots movement with no discernable hierarchy.
I think it's done quite well, considering. And it will certainly do better.
As I said. We're learning.
Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 10:59 AM (+k5d1)
Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 02:58 PM (fkBVg)
The Clinton Dynasty!
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 11:00 AM (xAtAj)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 11:00 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 11:00 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 11:00 AM (pZDxu)
Mostly because it's Maryland
MD's a weird state- it has some of the richest and poorest neighborhoods in the country- solid Dem
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 11:01 AM (8sCoq)
That's like comparing Nati Ice to Sammy. You can say it all you want, no one takes you seriously. If you like Jimmy fine, you're easy to please. But don't pretend it's going to suit everybody.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 11:01 AM (0q2P7)
I can't believe we are still arguing over COD - she was 2 cycles ago.
Electability matters, so does ideology. 100% on one hand, but 0% on the other (no matter which is 100% and which is 0%) won't cut it. All the tea party seems to be doing to me is trying to swing the pendulum closer to the ideology side. Now with COD, arguably the tea party went too far. But a message did need to be sent - THEN. Less so NOW.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 11:01 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 11:01 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (r2PLg)
Agreed. For now it's just saber rattling. Even a slowing of growth won't result in war. However, if their economy plunges, reach for your sidearms.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 11:01 AM (xAtAj)
You know the drill ...
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2013 11:02 AM (w0StH)
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 11:02 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 11:02 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 11:02 AM (4cRnj)
Northerner seeks advice on what to try next. I like JD, but I'm starting to buy it out of habit. Any suggestions?
Posted by: Rule #2 at February 27, 2013 11:02 AM (CypDC)
China wouldn't go to war with the US sans Texas - at least initailly.
Theres an old proverb I don't remember where it came from but goes: "If you must borrow money, either owe very little or very much. For if you owe little, you are not worth collecting on, and if you owe much, your fates are intertwined"
Hell, maybe I made that up. Either way, the dragon may have us by the throat, but we have it by the balls.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 11:02 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Boo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 11:03 AM (U/+f9)
Before cellphones and way before cellphone cameras, which had not been invented.
Would you accept a sketch?
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 11:03 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 11:03 AM (8sCoq)
China might be our ally if it came to it if we promised to keep them in shale...
if Red Diaper Obama gets to work for the Muslims as PotUS why not work with our biggest non continental trading partner?
Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 11:04 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:02 PM (4cRnj)
He helped get Rubio elected when he was down 40 points.
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 11:04 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Never again! at February 27, 2013 11:04 AM (xYEjI)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 11:04 AM (pZDxu)
408 "I just want one COD supporter to admit that she was our side's Alvin Greene without adding "but..." and then negating the admission with more justification.
Maybe that will help some of us let go of that clusterf*ck"
There are those who believe that having Mike Castle with an (R) after his name was worth it just so he would have been one more vote for a republican senate leader. That's a valid argument and it would have been a help as long as Castle continued to caucus with the republicans.
However, on the other side are those who believe that damage one extremely liberal senator would have done by providing "bipartisan" cover to incredibly stupid fucking bills or by becoming the "go-to" senator for MSNBC when a conservative idea needed badmouthing would negate any advantage.
I don't think the people who opposed COD on a strategic level during the primaries were wrong or not conservative. It was after she won the primary when the detractors turned into total assholes by badmouthing her.
Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 11:04 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 11:04 AM (r2PLg)
Ok... what history? Especially recently, considering the rise of globalization?China is all about GDP. The only reason I could see war is if their GDP crashes *on their own*. Which isn't impossible I suppose, but otherwise war is extremely unlikely.
----
All history. War may be unlikely, but they can start pretty fast often over minor things. Just because we are in the modern era doesn't mean that wars will end. WW1 was to be the war that ends all wars. I think war with China is pretty unlikely, but if it happens (either with us or between them and someone else), our children or grandchildren will be learning that the warning signs were easy to see.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 11:05 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 11:05 AM (4cRnj)
>>>Isn't that something they should agree with?
WHEN WE WIN.
Losing with moderates hurts us.
If I'm going to lose I'd much rather do it with someone close to a true believer so the next time I put a moderate out there it looks centrist by comparison. e.g. moving the Overton Window to the right. Rove has given us two losers in a row, and likes Jeb for next time. Jeb is a loser. If that's his answer I would rather run crazy conservative.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 11:05 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 11:05 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 11:06 AM (B/VB5)
So true. When I went we had plenty of gheys, and didn't give a shit. I think don't axe don't tell worked fine.
Especially when that drunk guy from AL found a dick up his ass one night.
Oh, wait, forget that.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 11:06 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 11:06 AM (LCRYB)
@444
If Texas split they'd find a lot of allies that would want to humble the US.
Russia, China, Iran!, France, etc. would see it as a way to weaken us interests.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 11:06 AM (t06LC)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at February 27, 2013 11:06 AM (jCQ+I)
What? You mean after his candidate, Crist, lost?
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 11:06 AM (4cRnj)
I think Knob Creek is a good whiskey.
Try Wild Turkey if you are more of a crossbow than long bow fan.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 11:07 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: polynikes
What? You mean after his candidate, Crist, lost?
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (4cRnj)
No before.
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 11:08 AM (m2CN7)
I don't mind having GOProud at CPAC. So long as they get that opposition to gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe. The instant you want to get on your opposition to gay marriage makes you a bigot horse, I'm done with you.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 11:09 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Apostle at February 27, 2013 11:09 AM (1d6WV)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 27, 2013 11:11 AM (feFL6)
So you're saying Rove helped Rubio by supporting Crist? Oh, I see what you're saying, people hated Rove so much that by supporting Crist he drove support to Rubio, like reverse psychology or something.
Wow, that Rove is a genius.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 11:12 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 11:13 AM (CBCxo)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 03:07 PM (p/cQy)
I've always thought the Turkey was too harsh. The real Turkey, 101.
I like Makers, it's a little smoother and Evan William Black is pretty good for the price.
That single barrel shit with the little horse on the cork is damn good too.
What is that shit called?
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 11:13 AM (wR+pz)
Yup...I should be agreeing with Rove who backed a guy who sucked Obama off before Hurricane Sandy to pick 'winning republicans'....
yessir "smart like an ox'
Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 11:14 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 11:14 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 11:14 AM (A98Xu)
That's virtually a win, right?
Posted by: ace
If you lose while standing on principle, you've done nothing to harm our side. If you lose while only offering a lesser version of progressivism, you've done nothing to promote our ideology and you've shown deference to theirs.
"Me too" GOPism muddies the brand in the least, and kills the roots in the worst worst.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2013 11:14 AM (Ipj15)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 11:15 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 11:16 AM (CBCxo)
This again.
Mikey Castle managed to fuck up a primary in a state he ran for eight Goddamm years. Not only wasn't he very conservative, but he also wasn't very electable. And Delaware had one of the last primaries. And the polling indicated that he would trounce the Democrat. Then he completely pussed out, gave tacit support to the Democrat and took a $ million warchest home.
Fun fact: Both the Tea Party AND the oh so smart establishment republicans put up shitty candidates and they battled for the basement.
FTR: I voted against her in the primaries (I did what uncle Karl commanded) and for her in the general.
Posted by: Blue Hen at February 27, 2013 11:17 AM (PrDJQ)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 11:17 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 11:17 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 11:17 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 11:17 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 11:17 AM (pZDxu)
For an "extreme" example of the type, I will mention Jim Jeffords. Less evil examples are the GOP members of the "Gang of Sixteen" who caucused in back rooms with Dem senators to give us such garbage as "Campaign Finance Reform".
Posted by: mrp at February 27, 2013 11:18 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:12 PM (4cRnj)
Someone has already let you know that you are incorrect but just for the record here is Rubio's own words. Again , Rove never supported Crist.
Even when I was 30 points down in the polls he wrote me a check, he told people he was supporting me, he helped me in my race and I was thirty or forty points down. ThatÂ’s important for fairness to say that.
Ultimately, when I was the nominee American Crossroads came in to Florida and spent a lot of money on my candidacy and weÂ’re grateful for that. But by the same token, I would not have been elected without Tea Party support. I would not have had a chance to even win the primary without all these folks out there who rallied to the cause of defending our Constitution, limiting government and supporting our traditional values and IÂ’m forever grateful for that as well. They both have a place in American politics
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 11:19 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: ace
So it's just Coke versus Pepsi then?
Ok, got it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2013 11:20 AM (Ipj15)
Rove has backed some shitbirds but oompa loompa wasnt one Posted by: BSR
You're delusional
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 11:21 AM (4cRnj)
The bottom line is if the GOP had won the big game in either '08 or '12 this wouldn't be a talking point between us right now. The question the GOP has placed before us is not between winning and losing, but who we want to lose with.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 11:21 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 11:22 AM (B/VB5)
I've back with a not insignificant sum of money people I'd barely want to win with...losing with those same people got us giggles twice...
do you ever stop to ponder how far left we have to go to get peel off donks?
I'm thinking they're a weaponized tribe not a group of rational actors bud and if that is the case tacking left bleeds more than we gain....
I held my nose for Rove and Bush and "moonbat at 85% of the price" but I'm pretty sure Obama needed bush to kill the GOP
Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 11:23 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2013 11:24 AM (Ipj15)
Posted by: ace
I'd sure love to win. That's why I supported a man who signed an assault weapons ban into law. Who was once pro-choice. But we didn't win. It seems that actually getting into power is not a priority for the GOP. And if we are going to lose, it would be better to lose with more conservative candidates.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 11:24 AM (0q2P7)
Did you just not read the rest of the comment, ace?
Option 1: We win with a True Believer- that's a definite win.
Option 2: We win with a Moderate- well, that's probably a win, most of the time.
Option 3: We lose with a True Believer- that's not good, but a) the ideology itself is not harmed and b) when we run someone more moderate (though still closer to a True Believer) they look much more 'centrist.'
Option 4: We lose with a Moderate- that's definitely bad.
So the good that comes from a True Believer winning is better than when a Moderate wins, and the bad when a True Believer loses is actually less bad than when a Moderate loses.
Now, again, no one is disputing that we need to pick electable candidates. Case in point- a guy ran against Joe Barton here in my congressional district last cycle. I can't even remember his name. He was the "tea party" candidate (though I don't think he had a ton of support there) and was running at Joe Barton from the right (not a lot of room there, but some).
Problem? Guy had 0 charisma. So he got very few votes. The Tea Parties in the area had decided they could live with Joe Barton, even if he's not quite as conservative as many (most?) of his constituents (at least those who voted R in the general).
Again, you're taking the losses the Tea Parties had and putting them up as thought that's all the Tea Parties have done. And then you're ignoring the losses of the Rove wing.
But if David Dewhurst runs for Lt. Gov again, and someone challenges him from the right (assuming they're not a complete loon) most of the Tea Parties in Texas will support the challenger. David Dewhurst is not as Conservative as we can reasonably get in Texas.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 11:25 AM (xN73L)
Posted by: Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove at February 27, 2013 11:25 AM (z3Lez)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 11:27 AM (pZDxu)
We can win without them!
Let's divide the base and become more like Demtards!
I swear it'll really work this time guys!
Posted by: Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove at February 27, 2013 11:27 AM (z3Lez)
Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 11:28 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 11:28 AM (f7n8D)
What are we trying to advance here? The GOP or conservatism? While the two overlap, they aren't mutual? Would both be better off if Castle were in the Senate? I supppose, though no way to really know. If Castle had defeated COD, would we have Cruz? I suppose, though no way to really know. Does the majority of the tea party place ideology above and beyond everything else? I don't think so, though they may place it higher in the pecking order now than in years past.
There are just too many unknowns and too many variables. Winning elections matter, we all know that. But to think that is all that matters is a mistake. The Whig party got dusted in 1856 and collapsed, but a stronger party emerged from that.
Let's all agree that both electability and ideology matter. But it seems like some of us are going to lean more to ideology at this time, because the electability route didn't seem to make much of a difference during the 2000's and it hasn't worked in the past 2 presidential elections.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 11:30 AM (gmeXX)
Ok, got it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 03:20 PM (Ipj15)
Don't be too hard on Ace, he'll wake up eventually. Right now, he's stuck in this loop that's created by the MSM and the polling they do with the questions they word.
If you give me near total control of the media and how polls are constructed, democrats would never win another election - ever. It's a credit to the strength of our ideals and positions that we can win as much as we do without the media and polls.
But back to Ace, he believes in that elusive informed moderate who is pissed off that we tolerate religious people and some of their views. He's not totally wrong. There is a small group of politically aware people out there who think the GOP is too extreme, but they are a tiny percentage.
The real prize is the totally unaware idiots who go strictly on perception. We could win them with the right campaign, but because we're stuck with asshole counsultants from years past, it hasn't happened. The 2010 midterms were a good indication of what can happen when you leave the assholes behind and just run on your ideas.
Ace will figure it out eventually.
Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 11:31 AM (ZDsRL)
I've agreed for more than half my life.
Can you explain to me what *I* gain for my understanding of the founding and my beliefs and preferences if Faat Ass from NJ is our "winner?"
I ain't seeing it anymore...
Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 11:32 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 11:35 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 11:35 AM (g5wi5)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 27, 2013 11:37 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 11:38 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 11:40 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 11:41 AM (XjfiS)
One element of Obama success has been his ability to engage the hearts and minds of his followers.
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Woah, your saying that running on cultural issues matter more than running on "fiscal" reasoning issues. Who knew?
The GOP should run on the following: guns, voter id, low taxes.
That's about it. Talking about growing the economy just doesn't appeal to the masses. That's what Mitt didn't get. Its what McCain didn't get, nor the Bushes. They may be fine people, but they are all part of the aristocratic class in America.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 11:42 AM (gmeXX)
DEMPAC Announces Big Target: Dr. Benjamin Carson.
Can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Probably doesn't know what he's gotten himself into.
Posted by: kansas at February 27, 2013 11:44 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 11:47 AM (g5wi5)
Posted by: gm at February 27, 2013 11:47 AM (/kBoL)
"The GOP should run on the following: guns, voter id, low taxes."
I disagree. We've already got all the people who care about guns, voter id and low taxes.
We need to run on education, racism and immigration.
With the right campaign, which the MSM would scream from the rooftops is totally racist, we could win the black and hispanic vote while sticking to conservative principles. It would need to center around how blacks are being fucked by the democrats, how their kids are illiterate and headed for jail or death because of democrats. Show them how democrats stay in power by fucking blacks and hispanics.
It would work. But it takes balls.
Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 11:48 AM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 11:51 AM (g5wi5)
jwest - I completely disagree. We can't beat the Dems at that game. Guns and voter id are popular in this country. You'd be surprised at how many people would vote against the Dems if they thuoght they wanted to take away your guns. Manchin is pro-gun you know. The trick is getting those people to know that all dems want to take away your guns. The way to do it is to repeat that phrase over and over.
Also, keep bringing up voter id. Make the Dems vote on it.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 11:51 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 27, 2013 11:53 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at February 27, 2013 11:55 AM (1hM1d)
Compare and Contrast:
According to the Wikipedia bio Carson's genius in neurosurgery is the combination of his fine motor skills and ability to conceptualize neural networks opaquely in three dimensions. Anyone who gets into this line of work has to be very bright, very confident, and have brass balls. And I'm sure he's had his share of heartbreaking situations where he did not save a child. Which means he understands the human condition at a gut level.
Barry can't walk through a iron gate with an umbrella, and when he hears that people who work for him are threatened by psychotic mobs, he shrugs and goes to bed.
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at February 27, 2013 11:55 AM (uGiHE)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 11:59 AM (g5wi5)
I would welcome anything that brings back the concept of citizen-elected official. An entrenched political class is bad for our country. Any way to break this idea is great to me (see Ron Johnson). But I recognize the political reality of it all. Government experience matters to most voters (though I think only because they have been conditioned that it matters).
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 11:59 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 27, 2013 12:00 PM (Y5I9o)
It is not an either/ or deal
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Few have said it is. What we have been saying is one may be more important than the other. Its all a pendulum, and like any pendulum it swings from side to side.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 12:01 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 12:07 PM (g5wi5)
SH, " You'd be surprised at how many people would vote against the Dems if they thuoght they wanted to take away your guns"
As incredibly stupid as the voting public is, I doubt that any of them don't know which party is pro-gun.
Give me the keys to this puppy and I'll create commercials that show black teenagers struggling to read a Dick and Jane book. I'll show the cluelessness and shame on the faces of inner-city utes when they can't make change for a dollar.
Then, when I've got everyone's jaw-dropping attention, I'll explain how the democrats made a deal with the teacher's union to trade black kid's education for votes.
By the time I'm done, I'll have guilty white liberals from Vermont going person to person in Detroit apologizing for voting democrat all these years.
When my commercials stop running, it will be difficult for democrat officials to cross the street without hundreds of women, tears flowing from their eyes, trying to beat them for their evil ways.
We've tried the Steve Schmidt method. Time for the Jwest way.
Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 12:08 PM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 12:15 PM (g5wi5)
Carson's been speaking to those groups for years. His speech hasn't changed, only the venue. He has been doing a subset of what you suggest already. The Prayer Breakfast was only the most recent with wide exposure because he said it pretty much straight to Obama's face. The speech didn't matter so much. The target did... and that's why it made news.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2013 12:15 PM (eHIJJ)
Jwest - just because we are kown as the party, that doesn't mean the Dems are known as the party that will take away your guns. Instead they are known as the party that simply want to do reasonable background checks, reasonable registration.
We need to make them the party that will take away your guns. No more nuance. When they say otherwise, just repeat that they want to take away your guns.
We are also the party known for low taxes, yet in 2008, we let Obama claim to be a tax cutter for 98% of the country.
See the difference, the Dems aren't known as anti-gun, pro-taxes. They are known as pro-sensible gun regulations, pro-taxes for the rich. Whereas they paint the GOP as anti-women. We get into nuance, we should be into more black and white.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 12:16 PM (gmeXX)
Lots of promise in education obviously. However the other two have problems.
1. Racism
No party or candidate can beat the Dems in identity politics. Not for the reflexive Dem response but because dividing the public in the ethnic/racial categories only gives rise a divisive and lesser America.
A candidate that uses identity politics isn't fulfilling the promise of a free and dynamic country. They are engaging permanent discord, and a government that is empowered to play racial referee, forever punishing the out-group and rewarding the in-group, is tempting fate and civil wars (plural.)
2. Immigration
A lot of what passes for debate on immigration sucks.
The Dems won't admit that they want open borders. They have to claim otherwise but their policies do not revolve around a theoretical limit or metering for immigration. Their policies revolve around ever-increasing levels of immigration.
We haven't really addressed the central issue; is unmitigated immigration a good thing for the republic? Yes, that phrasing is necessarily loaded and it is where the issue breaks in half ultimately.
Suppose we just throw up our hands and say, "Andele, ariba, ariba! Come one, come all." What is the result? Is our Republic the same there after?
Or is there a cost to such a policy? We need to be honest here and not frame this debate as one in which being against open borders is merely the uncool position. Is there a real and quantifiable outcome of a quick and sudden change in the social makeup of a country? Does culture matter at all?
If there would be a huge push for a complete Socialist-Corporatist government, why should we happily help the Dem's achieve this?
If there isn't such a cost, are their examples of other countries undergoing such a change that are evidence of this?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 27, 2013 12:30 PM (Ipj15)
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