September 24, 2013

Cruz: The Ruling Class Shouldn't Have Exemptions That the Citizens Don't
— Ace

I point out that Cruz said this because it seems to be at least on the same vibratory plane as the emerging Vitter or Paul plan to compel the Political Class to live by ObamaCare's terms, same as anyone else.

As Allah would explain to you were you to click over there, Vitter's plan is to end the special subsidies that Obama's afforded the political class (Congressmen, their staffers, Administration staff, etc.).

Rand Paul, on the other hand, would force them into the ObamaCare exchanges.

There can be no damn question that the Political Class must live under the laws they inflict on others. This isn't even up for debate.

The only way to get the Political Class to understand that ObamaCare is a problem is to make it a problem for them.

As NRO notes, Democrats would have an easier time voting against Paul’s bill than Vitter’s because they can argue that it’s unfair to disrupt health coverage for rank-and-file blue-collar federal employees over a partisan ObamaCare dispute. It’s harder to make that argument when we’re not talking about the rank and file but rather Congress and its support staff, and it’s really hard to make that argument about special federal subsidies that only our political leaders and their aides get. If ObamaCare’s so wonderful, fine — let the people’s representatives and staff try to manage the cost of it the way average Americans will have to.

I'm all in favor of it. My only question is, "How do you force this when you can't force anything else?" If we're going down in defeat on Defund, why would we imagine this tactic would work any better, or that there'd be a more united caucus for it?

Because I guarantee you a lot of Republicans aren't going to like this plan. They, understandably, don't want to labor under ObamaCare, either.

Are they going to agree to do so just to force the Democrats and Obama's staffers to do so?

I doubt it.

Answer: According to Niedermeyer's Dead Horse (@mflynny), Vitter was pushing this during his own floor appearance earlier.

His idea, she says, is that he'll insist that this bill inflicting ObamaCare on the Political Caste must be passed into law before any CR.

Okay, that could work... but that once again assumes that the GOP will fight for it.

Will they?

Posted by: Ace at 01:58 PM | Comments (334)
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1 Poison the well one drop at a time. Drip drip drip.

Posted by: Eton Cox at September 24, 2013 02:00 PM (q177U)

2 I doubt it too.

Posted by: steevy at September 24, 2013 02:00 PM (9XBK2)

3 Every little attack on Obama Care helps just a tiny smidgen.

Posted by: Eton Cox at September 24, 2013 02:00 PM (q177U)

4 Go down in defeat on removing Congress' exemption.

Posted by: Felt Wrapper at September 24, 2013 02:00 PM (0SCLh)

5 I don't know if you saw Vitter on the floor earlier. He put forth that his bill should be voted on. this week, and prior to the CR vote. Cruz took it and ran with it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:01 PM (DmNpO)

6 How could it be legal to exempt themselves  from the "LAW of the land?or any business they decide to or some preferred whomever?

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:01 PM (nqBYe)

7

During the '12 election I said that any smart politician should run against Congress.

 

It's very smart and Cruz is looking to do just that.  Everyone hates Congress.  Point out their hypocrisy.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 24, 2013 02:01 PM (tVTLU)

8 Rubio up soon.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:02 PM (DmNpO)

9 I can read your minds. You all secretly love Obamacare and yearn to feel the gentle touch of its death panels.  You should join me and openly ridicule anyone who doesn't love Obamacare.

Posted by: Beff J. at September 24, 2013 02:02 PM (ggRof)

10 If it's the fkn Law of the Land , How can it be they can choose Who the Law targets and who it doesn't?
if i try to falsify irs when they come knocking for the funds would that be a felony? because it is the Law and IRS was given the task of collecting ?

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:02 PM (nqBYe)

11 OK Ted that's enough already you made your point. Ted? Ted?

Posted by: The Grand Old Stupid Party at September 24, 2013 02:02 PM (mETGQ)

12 No exemptions, subsidies, or waivers.  And everybody gets the same shit sammich.

Bada bing.

Posted by: Fritz at September 24, 2013 02:03 PM (UzPAd)

13 Since We Are So Screwed, how do we make ourselves Screw-Proof?

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 02:03 PM (kagAm)

14 Force it by virtue of its popularity.  How many voters will have a problem with making Congress and their staffers participate in the same health plan as everyone else?  I know some would just out of tribal loyalty but, geesh.

Once it's polling 80/20 it will be forced.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 24, 2013 02:03 PM (6WVi+)

15 OK Ted that's enough already you made your point. Ted? Ted? *** Stop it, Ted! (lisps)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:03 PM (DmNpO)

16 >>>I don't know if you saw Vitter on the floor earlier. He put forth that his bill should be voted on. this week, and prior to the CR vote.

I did not.

So his plan is to demand this be passed before any CR?

Posted by: ace at September 24, 2013 02:04 PM (/IWYB)

17 If i am taxed for the Law of the Land, but the Law of the land only counts me and less powerful others without a choice or voice .
but it is noticed Everyone with power that will not be held to the Law of the Land?

wouldn't people begin to notice?
notice the inequality?
notice they will pay up and our betters are free from it?
that our betters decided they Did not like the Law of the Land because it wasn't actually good health care?

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:05 PM (nqBYe)

18
This goes no where, and the proletariat will forget about our special exemption by '14.

Posted by: Senator Juan McScrunt at September 24, 2013 02:05 PM (pJF+c)

19 "The only way to get the Political Class to understand that ObamaCare is a problem is to make it a problem for them."

Congress and the unions are pretty happy to force the rest of us to chow down on a shit sandwich, but when steaming hot shit sandwiches also suddenly show up on _their_ lunch plates, their enthusiasm for that meal plan will evaporate pretty fast.

If you look at the polling, it's one of those absolutely rare total slam dunk issues that produces massive neck-vein-bulging indignation across the entire political spectrum.

American voters -- left, right and center -- still aren't generally aware that Congress have decreed special treatment for themselves and their staffs under Obamacare, but when they're informed of that fact, they're FLIPPING FURIOUS about it. Even core Democratic voters really seem to be deeply perturbed by this.

It goes to fundamental issues of fairness. Joe Sixpack and Jane Workaday have a nagging sense that the deck is stacked against them, and this is the most egregious single case of deck stacking in living memory.

A smart, competitive, oppositional political party would grab that loose ball and run it all the way back down the field. Question is, does such a party still exist? Or are we stuck with just more back-room dealing, trough-filling Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party crap?

Posted by: torquewrench at September 24, 2013 02:05 PM (gqT4g)

20 Because I guarantee you a lot of Republicans aren't going to like this plan. They, understandably, don't want to labor under ObamaCare, either.


"Let the public suffer as long as my place at the trough is secure."  That right there is what you call statesmanship.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 24, 2013 02:05 PM (8ZskC)

21 There have been so many fundamental changes I don't know what the law is any more. I do know the law doesn't apply to congress. Apparently it doesn't (much) apply to federal bureaucrats either. It seems that the law is what every the democrats say it is, and that changes from day to day, depending on what they need the law to be.

Posted by: Old, Tired, Broken down, and busted at September 24, 2013 02:05 PM (A9NFq)

22 Frankly this should have been the reason for a filibuster. Push this.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at September 24, 2013 02:06 PM (mgzN6)

23 Jam it down their throats, the same way that they did it to the masses. If the R's pass the bill, then the D's have to vote it down.

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering the coming implosion at September 24, 2013 02:06 PM (IanLz)

24 I did not. So his plan is to demand this be passed before any CR? *** Yes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:06 PM (DmNpO)

25 The LIV is all about fairness, everything has to be FAIR. For the children. And the middle class. Even if this does nothing, letting the message get out  to the LIV of how unfair Obamacare is? Not a bad route to go.

You can't stop the signal.

Posted by: LizLem, who wants to get off this crazy thing at September 24, 2013 02:06 PM (8wqqE)

26 Vitter and Paul's proposals?  Why can't we have both?

Posted by: mrp at September 24, 2013 02:06 PM (HjPtV)

27 Rubio up soon.


I hope he cleared his remarks with Schumer first.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 24, 2013 02:07 PM (8ZskC)

28 By the way, its a fucking shame that no one was in the Senate in December '09 that had the resolve to do a standing filibuster to force everyone to miss their Xmas holiday.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 24, 2013 02:07 PM (UypUQ)

29 How can regular people watching show their support for ted cruz and defunding obamacare.

Posted by: the most interesting at September 24, 2013 02:07 PM (Nx76m)

30 Come on ace,  we all know that Cruz only said this so he could increase his fund raising  for his 2016 Presidential run.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 02:07 PM (m2CN7)

31 Almost exactly a year ago I suggested a contingency plan if Obama is in for another 4 years. Allow me to reiterate it: We should all sign up and apply for every single govt assistance program available. Fuck it, might as well Subsisize Ourselves while we subsidize everyone else including Congress and corporations.

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 02:08 PM (kagAm)

32 "Are they going to agree to do so just to force the Democrats and Obama's staffers to do so?

I doubt it."

Mebbe not, but thats a mighty big and stinky albatross to wear around your neck at election time.

Posted by: maddogg at September 24, 2013 02:08 PM (xWW96)

33 waivers and exemptions for all !

or waivers and exemptions for none.

equality under the LAW

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:08 PM (nqBYe)

34 This is the plan I wanted to see pushed all along.  Its political value would be irresistible and it would, as an added bonus for all you RINO-haters, piss off pretty much all the right people.

I worry that it may be too late for it now. 

But this?  You could have actually threatened a government shutdown over this issue and won the public over.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 02:08 PM (n/+FT)

35 Dump the Parliament of Whores into the Obamacare Pools.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:08 PM (0axsw)

36
Most American's don't understand that Congress didn't receive any special exceptions, and all members and assistants will labor under the same laws as the great unwashed. 

Posted by: Senator Bitch McConnell at September 24, 2013 02:08 PM (pJF+c)

37 Congress exempts itself from many regulations, their employees are similarly exempt. The rationale being that no agency can interfere with the business of the people, so no OSHA, etc.

Posted by: Bigby's Boxing Gloves at September 24, 2013 02:09 PM (RLTt1)

38

>>> How can regular people watching show their support for ted cruz and defunding obamacare.

 

 

Send me a dollar.

Posted by: Zombie Soupy Sales at September 24, 2013 02:09 PM (nKFzF)

39 Time for Operation: Red Dawn It's over, anyhow, so let's just be a thorn in the side of our govt rulers in every way possible. Wolverines!

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 02:09 PM (kagAm)

40 Okay, confession time: I play tabletop RPGs and I can't follow the arcane and byzantine cesspool of Congressional rules. I've seen more coherency in pages-long forum debates about the comma usage in one Pathfinder rule than someone explaining a Senate filibuster.

Posted by: pookysgirl at September 24, 2013 02:09 PM (kMnHs)

41 Congress can legally insider trade even.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:09 PM (0axsw)

42 I'm going to assume legislators know how to legislate better than I do, but clearly the R party ought to be able to make it clear that the Dems want to live under different rules than the rest of us.  How they go about demonstrating that, I leave it up to them. 

This is one of those things that ought  to be easy to explain to the LIVs though.

Are the Republicans interested in explaining this to the LIVs? 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2013 02:09 PM (BeSEI)

43 "How do you force this when you can't force anything else?" If we're going down in defeat on Defund, why would we imagine this tactic would work any better, or that there'd be a more united caucus for it?"................Because you might even get a few blue dogs to go along with it. I mean shit, they forced this flaming pile of poo on voters. You forget that it's across the board unpopular. Every poll shows a majority of Americans don't want it. So I think if nothing else there's a moral victory in at least trying.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 24, 2013 02:09 PM (sUMBr)

44 25 The LIV is all about fairness, everything has to be FAIR. For the children. And the middle class. Even if this does nothing, letting the message get out to the LIV of how unfair Obamacare is? Not a bad route to go.

You can't stop the signal.

Posted by: LizLem, who wants to get off this crazy thing at September 24, 2013 06:06 PM (8wqqE)

This is why the Pope's latest meeting with the Liberation Theology guy and his remarks thereafter are becoming concerning for those of us who originally supported him.  It seems he's no Benedict and one wonders if he helped push Benedict out to implement this liberation theology socialist type of agenda

Posted by: listen at September 24, 2013 02:10 PM (Nx76m)

45 thank you, NDH.

And,

BANNED



for knowing things I don't.  New Rule.

Posted by: ace at September 24, 2013 02:10 PM (/IWYB)

46

This will be worth it if the electorate finally FINALLY dumps

 

McCain

Cornyn

McConnell

Graham

 

 

 

Posted by: thunderb at September 24, 2013 02:10 PM (zOTsN)

47 >>The only way to get the Political Class to understand that ObamaCare is a problem is to make it a problem for them. And the only way to get LIV voters and wobbly Dems to understand that Obamacare is a problem is to make it a problem for them. This is the strategy I have been saying from day 1. It's easy to pretend that Obamacare isn't a problem when you are discussing it in the abstract. When it is hitting you in the wallet and over the head it become a whole lot more real.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 02:10 PM (g1DWB)

48
But this? You could have actually threatened a government shutdown over this issue and won the public over.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 06:08 PM (n/+FT)


jeff we agree!, fgs faints after i give you a hug

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:10 PM (nqBYe)

49 Predicted attack from the Left: If Repubs won't to force Congress to be in Obamacare -- why don't they just do it voluntarily? Nothing is stopping Repubs from having their staffs sign up for Obamacare without be required to, right?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 24, 2013 02:10 PM (ZPrif)

50 >>>Come on ace, we all know that Cruz only said this so he could increase his fund raising for his 2016 Presidential run.

Not fundraising, but rather his visibility and his donor list.  Money isn't important now.  Profile, plus names and e-mail addresses and phone numbers -- that's important. 

But yes, that's actually what Cruz was doing here.  Sorry to force you to confront the cynical truth about your Fighting Hero, but there you have it.  He sure as shit wasn't doing all this to "stop Obamacare," because as we all are finally willing to admit that was never a possibility. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 02:10 PM (n/+FT)

51 for knowing things I don't. New Rule. *** Calvinball?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:11 PM (DmNpO)

52 as i've watched few filibusters i have to say i like the way the members ask questions and actually participate in the debate

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:11 PM (nqBYe)

53 This is the plan I wanted to see pushed all along. Its political value would be irresistible and it would, as an added bonus for all you RINO-haters, piss off pretty much all the right people.

I worry that it may be too late for it now.

But this? You could have actually threatened a government shutdown over this issue and won the public over.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 06:08 PM (n/+FT)

 

Can you point me to your comment where you  mentioned this  as  a   plan. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 02:11 PM (m2CN7)

54 Call Cruz's office or send en e-mail to it, They might have someone there for a while since he's fillibustering.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 02:12 PM (a4Omg)

55

Calvinball?

 

 

Wicketball.

Two bi-peds enter.  One Ewok wins.

 

Posted by: garrett at September 24, 2013 02:12 PM (nKFzF)

56 But this? You could have actually threatened a government shutdown over this issue and won the public over.

Posted by: Jeff B.

The PUBLIC is WON OVER on defund!!! But with no leadership and rinos wailing we don't have a chance.

Ace ask "How will we get it done?" Scream it from the rooftops INCESSANTLY...the same way anything happens...SELL IT!!!

Posted by: getonwithit at September 24, 2013 02:12 PM (MbeEN)

57 as i've watched few filibusters i have to say i like the way the members ask questions and actually participate in the debate *** There's very good give and take between them, a nicely choreographed dance.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:13 PM (DmNpO)

58 "There should be a lot more truth-speaking in this body." Photoshop a picture of Obama onto that.

Posted by: m at September 24, 2013 02:13 PM (jlqKz)

59 As far as I'm concerned I want to thank all the Senators participating in this filibuster because, thus far, these are the only ones who seem to be hearing the American people.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 02:13 PM (Nx76m)

60 The nice thing about Obamacare is that most people's health insurance will go down as much as 3000%, as Obama the Math Wiz promised. Bring on the savings, I say!

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 02:14 PM (kagAm)

61 >>>Can you point me to your comment where you mentioned this as a plan.

I have no idea where in the last two month's worth of posts I was talking about it, but it's in there somewhere.  Also when Rand Paul brought it up again recently I was all over it again.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 02:14 PM (n/+FT)

62 Rand "Otter" Paul: Dead! Cruz is right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

Ted "Bluto" Cruz: We're just the guys to do it.

Jeff "D-Day" Sessions: *stands up* Yeah, I agree. Let's go get 'em.

Pat "Boon" Roberts: Let's do it.

Ted "Bluto" Cruz: *shouting* "Let's Do It"!

Posted by: Animal Bicameral House at September 24, 2013 02:14 PM (5ikDv)

63 You lie.

Posted by: Joe Wilson at September 24, 2013 02:14 PM (0axsw)

64 As far as I'm concerned I want to thank all the Senators participating in this filibuster because, thus far, these are the only ones who seem to be hearing the American people.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 06:13 PM (Nx76m

 

Sorry to burst your bubble but they are all doing it just to fundraise.   Jeff B says so. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 02:14 PM (m2CN7)

65 47 -

Given the way the R party operates though, if you essentially try to stop Congress from living under different rules, but allow EVERYBODY to live under those rules, people aren't going to care that Congress is living under the same lousy rules as you.  They're going to care that YOU made them live under the rules. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 24, 2013 02:15 PM (BeSEI)

66 He sure as shit wasn't doing all this to "stop Obamacare," because as we all are finally willing to admit that was never a possibility. OMG, You mean a politician might have mixed motives?!!. That's revelatory, Jeff I don't give darn if he wants to increase his visibility and donor list. I give him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't support Obamacare and is willing to get the issues out on the floor. I guess you don't because you clearly loath his choice to do that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 02:15 PM (a4Omg)

67 The GOP is dead to me. No, they won't fight it. Only those that wish there was a 3rd party to call home will support it. Very few. But, they get it. New blood brings new ideas and energy. Use it now before the old blood circle the wagons and bring you to your knees. As you see happening, now. Stand by your man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc4e-HdlhPY

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 24, 2013 02:15 PM (IXrOn)

68 Niedermeyer, it is, they ask a question we might ask, or not know to ask.. answer it and continuing the teaching of those watching.

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:15 PM (nqBYe)

69 I'd like to nurse you whiny babies but my nipples are sooo sore.

Posted by: Lois Lerner has flabby titties at September 24, 2013 02:15 PM (IIIE8)

70 You know what else, thanks to Obama, was reduced by 3000%? Al Qaeda, that's what.

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 02:15 PM (kagAm)

71
Yep, you can't force it without the senate votes, however, just like it took Rand a filibuster to get the f'ing prez to say he won't drone Americans, it brings the issue to the forefront.  A true filibuster is a story catcher and will get out despite any MFM embargo.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 24, 2013 02:16 PM (sj9LN)

72 If you and your staff refuse to abide by the rules and costs that you crammed down the throats of the rest of us, then we'll gladly provide you the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere... a$$holes.

Posted by: The U.N.'s IPCC at September 24, 2013 02:16 PM (E0PaU)

73

Damn. Ihave been remiss.

Fuck You very much JeffB. As usual your comments are like a cat shitting a log chain.

Posted by: maddogg at September 24, 2013 02:16 PM (xWW96)

74 If -3000% = +(x), then, yeah, Obama is totes truthful.

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 02:17 PM (kagAm)

75 There can be no damn question that the Political Class must live under the laws they inflict on others. I suffered through the indignity of an OSHA inspection. You know who is exempt from OSHA regulations? Good guess. OSHA inspections are overwhelmingly instigated by complaints from employees who need to be fired, who are... wait for it... fired. Congress placed under the same constrictions? No way, Comrade.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 24, 2013 02:17 PM (U2UQk)

76 The use of choreographed staged debates as an instruction tool goes back to the Ancient Greeks.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:17 PM (0axsw)

77 A thought:  Ever see "I Am Legend"?   Man, imagine a filibustering Senator who had that Zombie disease that caused them to sleep standing up.  You could sneak Z's every time a colleague bought you time with an extra long question.  And AFAIK, there are no windows that let in sunlight into the Senate chamber, so you'd be good there too.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 24, 2013 02:18 PM (UypUQ)

78 But it's the law of the land!

Posted by: mrp at September 24, 2013 02:18 PM (HjPtV)

79 How do you force this when you can't force anything else?" If we're going down in defeat on Defund, why would we imagine this tactic would work any better, or that there'd be a more united caucus for it? My thought is that this one is a winner for the public. It's easier than pie to explain even to LIVs. It goes like this: Congress is exempt. They've voted (future hypo) N times to keep themselves exempt. If Obamacare is good, why should they exempt themselves? We need EVERYONE to participate, otherwise the people in charge have no skin in the game. As to how to get the GOP on board, name and shame baby. Senator McCain says it's whacko bird to try to defund, yet the good *spit* Senator from AZ says he doesn't want any part of it. Why's that, Senator?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 02:18 PM (yETln)

80

The use of choreographed staged debates as an instruction tool goes back to the Ancient Greeks.

 

 

Yes. 

We owe the Ancient Greeks much praise.

Posted by: Harry Reid at September 24, 2013 02:19 PM (nKFzF)

81
Ted Cruz is illegal and should be deported to Chile.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, First Scrunt of the House at September 24, 2013 02:19 PM (pJF+c)

82 thank you, NDH.

And,

BANNED



for knowing things I don't. New Rule.

Posted by: ace at September 24, 2013 06:10 PM (/IWYB)

 

This could actually get some media attention. Who could disagree with congress having to live by it's own rules, congress could I guess, who else ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:19 PM (nTgAI)

83

"Okay, that could work... but that once again assumes that the GOP will fight for it."

 

What is this 'fight' thing of which you speak? This strange, alien word is grating on the tongue and hurtful to the ears. Whatever it is, we won't like it and we won't do it.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 24, 2013 02:19 PM (2jF2B)

84 77 They can't allow sunlight into the Senate. Half of them would burst into flames.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:19 PM (0axsw)

85 Re-cue  zzzzzzzzzzzrrrrrrppppp

But it's the law of the land!

Posted by: Harry From Nevada at September 24, 2013 02:19 PM (HjPtV)

86 Fuck the poor!

Posted by: Roman Senate at September 24, 2013 02:19 PM (nKFzF)

87 " Okay, that could work... but that once again assumes that the GOP will fight for it. Will they?" The JeffB wing of the Republican party says "Mmmm...nah. It's useless to fight. We should roll over now, and hope for some tummy rubs".

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 24, 2013 02:20 PM (sCynV)

88 This is one of those things thatÂ’s hard not to fight for once it becomes public. And youÂ’d need establishment Republicans, Democrats, and the media all to work together to keep from any filibuster getting the news out to the LIV. 1) your rates are going to go way up 2) your costs are going to go way up 3) your choice of doctors is going to go way down 4) the people who voted for those problems are trying to exempt themselves. This is a fairly simple message.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 24, 2013 02:20 PM (QF8uk)

89
Wrong Nancy, Cruz was born in Peruvia. 

Posted by: MoDo at September 24, 2013 02:21 PM (pJF+c)

90 Rand Paul suggested yesterday that the noted mewling quim, John Roberts, should also sign up for OCare along with all other federal workers.
 
“I think Congress should never exempt themselves from a law,” Paul said Monday on Fox News. “But then again, I think John Roberts, you know, he loves Obamacare so much — he should get it. Right now, he’s getting a federal employee subsidy. He’s not part of Obamacare. He makes the rest of America—through, I think, convoluted Constitutional logic—he makes us get Obamacare, but he’s exempt. So I have an amendment that I will introduce that says all the federal government gets Obamacare, including federal employees and including John Roberts.”

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 24, 2013 02:21 PM (wNF3N)

91 New blood brings new ideas and energy. Use it now before the old blood circle the wagons and bring you to your knees. As you see happening, now. Ahem. http://iowans4samclovis.com/

Posted by: Sam Clovis and his tasty tasty garbage at September 24, 2013 02:21 PM (jevZa)

92 Okay, that could work... but that once again assumes that the GOP will fight for it. Will they? --ace-- Will you?

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 24, 2013 02:21 PM (MhA4j)

93 Fuck the poor!

Huh?  No, kill the poor!

Posted by: The Dead Kennedys at September 24, 2013 02:21 PM (4WhSY)

94 Jeff B has been advocating for this plan all along.   Surely you have seen this in all of his posts. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 24, 2013 02:21 PM (m2CN7)

95 The exemptions are the best avenue to get some populist momentum going here.

They smell of all kind of neo-aristocratic privilege, utterly indefensible. The GOP should have been running ads in all markets denouncing this shit months ago.

If Cruz, Rand, et al can make the next 9 months into a populist campaign with DC as the heavy, we might have a chance at slowing this Leviathan down.


Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 24, 2013 02:22 PM (ligos)

96 *Hammer relaxes..., warm in the certainty that he knows less than Ace*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 24, 2013 02:22 PM (aDwsi)

97 And I really do not think that a person decides on a fillibuster or says "I'll speak as long as I can" without having some strong conviction. I wouldn't get up there knowing I might have to stand for 10 or more hours just to increase my donor list.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 02:22 PM (a4Omg)

98 Fuck the children.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at September 24, 2013 02:22 PM (0axsw)

99 BANNED...for knowing things I don't. New Rule.

Gonna get kinda lonely in here, don't you think?

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 24, 2013 02:23 PM (xm1A1)

100 Ruuuuubio's on "focus" what's happening

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 24, 2013 02:23 PM (MhA4j)

101 They'll pry my Cadillac medical insurance plan card from my cold dead fingers...

Posted by: Senator McCain at September 24, 2013 02:23 PM (5ikDv)

102 Alright, polynikes, you have your wish.  I'm out of here for the rest of the night.  Too much going on in my life right now to keep getting into it on these comment threads.  Maybe I'll see you in the ONT or something.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 02:23 PM (n/+FT)

103 You know who is shitting cinder blocks right now ? Juan Mcclame and Bitch Mcdonalds

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:23 PM (nTgAI)

104 The plane. The plane boss.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at September 24, 2013 02:23 PM (0axsw)

105 While the hubby's away, the cat makes tacos, drinks beer and watches Netflix. have a good evening rest well, Ace the fight begins again tomorrow

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 24, 2013 02:24 PM (IXrOn)

106 The GOP is gonna fight for its right to occasionally appoint caretakers to certain portions of the leftist bureaucracy! And no less, you villains! Hey, anyone else remember the Contract with America? We do it, they undo it. We do it, they undo it. Almost makes you wonder whether the politicians are actually on anyone's side but their own (and of course their largest donors'). PS I think some people are confused by this word "establishment." Maybe just say government? As in wholly-owned-by?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 24, 2013 02:24 PM (qyfb5)

107 you wackobirds

Posted by: Senator McCain at September 24, 2013 02:24 PM (5ikDv)

108 >>>They can't allow sunlight into the Senate. Half of them would burst into flames.<<<

The other half would have a pharmaceutical melt down.

Posted by: Fritz at September 24, 2013 02:25 PM (UzPAd)

109 This is a fairly simple message. And it's a good message to put on for whiteboard sign tomorrow. Thx. I would encourage people to do the same if you don't think your neighbors will vandalize your house, I've been putting out signs for four years and no graffitti yet. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 02:25 PM (a4Omg)

110 Once it's polling 80/20 it will be forced.

Congress exempting itself from the law already has been polled.

Supporters FOR congressional exemption didn't even muster 20%. IRC, it was about 17%

If the republicans put in a bill and put to a vote, anyone going against it risks having something that resonates strongly used against them viciously in their next election.

Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 24, 2013 02:25 PM (9MLX+)

111 The plane. The plane boss.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at September 24, 2013 06:23 PM (0axsw)

 

heh

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:25 PM (nTgAI)

112 Single. Payer. For. Lawyers.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 24, 2013 02:25 PM (xSegX)

113 The nice thing about Obamacare is that most people's health insurance will go down as much as 3000%, as Obama the Math Wiz promised. ------------- That's because Obamacare is non-ferrous.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 24, 2013 02:26 PM (aDwsi)

114 Single. Payer. For. Lawyers. Posted by: AmishDude at September 24, 2013 06:25 PM (xSegX) THIS.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 24, 2013 02:27 PM (qyfb5)

115
The Yellow-bellied Yellow-back Establishment Repubs in the Senate don't want anything to do with being under Odeathcare, so they will help Reid end this asap.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 24, 2013 02:27 PM (sj9LN)

116 Rubio's recycling some campaign speech-nuggets. Not helping Cruz, yet.

Posted by: m at September 24, 2013 02:27 PM (jlqKz)

117

>>> That's because Obamacare is non-ferrous.

 

 

Careful.  

Knowin' stuff will only get you banned.

Posted by: garrett at September 24, 2013 02:27 PM (nKFzF)

118 What's that you say? There has never been a successful recall in Colorado history. Voting out (before the completion of their terms) not one but two state senators for being arrogant and dismissive of their constituents will not happen in a thousand years. That's crazy talk, a waste of time and money. Ask Morse and Giron how that is working out for them. Hang this albatross around the neck of any congressman who has supported it. Make it stick.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 24, 2013 02:27 PM (mvenn)

119 I don't understand this at all. The bill itself leaves no room for exemptions. Simply writing another bill, to specifically say "no exemptions" will be just as easily brushed aside by the Emperor as before. And then what? THEN WE CAN SAY HE'S A TYRANT?!?!?!?!?Oh boy. Also, why would the GOP suddenly be willing to not pass a CR for this? THIS they'll fight for, but full defunding they won't? And then this assumes Obama would sign it into law, which I thought we've already conceded he won't sign anything ever. Someone explain how, if the defunding won't work, this will.

Posted by: Rich at September 24, 2013 02:28 PM (X3jCZ)

120 Gonna get kinda lonely in here, don't you think? **** tee hee

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:28 PM (DmNpO)

121 Rubio  bringing it.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 24, 2013 02:28 PM (BAS5M)

122 A Blog of One.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:28 PM (0axsw)

123 If the republicans put in a bill and put to a vote, anyone going against it risks having something that resonates strongly used against them viciously in their next election. Posted by: Purp ---------------------- I would like to say that no one could vote against it, then vote to maintain Obamacare..., but I am daily astonished by the hubris that is displayed by the Left, and the tolerance of that by the MSM/LIVs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 24, 2013 02:29 PM (aDwsi)

124 Rubio's recycling some campaign speech-nuggets. Not helping Cruz, yet. *** He's giving his voice a rest. He will make the circle back to how Obamacare is destroying the dreams of a better future.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:29 PM (DmNpO)

125 Damnit. Rubio's making me want to run out and buy a new American flag.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:29 PM (DmNpO)

126 "Okay, that could work... but that once again assumes that the GOP will fight for it. Will they?"


Not after they have had one of my cocktails of betrayal.  They will turn the most rock-ribbed Republican throw-the-widows-and-orphans-into-the-street into a bleeding-heart ivory towered squish.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet features Stakes and Kindling for all of Your Heretic Burning Needs! at September 24, 2013 02:30 PM (gmoEG)

127

>>  A Blog of One. <<

 

 

Ace did that for a while a few years ago. 

He just changed all of the cobs names to his for a few days.   Funny stuff.

Posted by: garrett at September 24, 2013 02:30 PM (nKFzF)

128 That's because Obamacare is non-ferrous. Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 24, 2013 06:26 PM (aDwsi) And diamagnetic, like water! And, I think, Nickel.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 24, 2013 02:30 PM (sCynV)

129 >>>They'll pry my Cadillac medical insurance plan card from my cold dead fingers...<<<

Tough titties, dummy.  Now get in line behind the 20 million illegal aliens you just gave full bennies.

Posted by: Fritz at September 24, 2013 02:30 PM (UzPAd)

130 116 Rubio's recycling some campaign speech-nuggets. Not helping Cruz, yet. Posted by: m at September 24, 2013 06:27 PM (jlqKz) He is doing good by giving Cruz a rest. Wether you like him or not, he is doing the right thing

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 24, 2013 02:30 PM (RLdcX)

131 Jeff B. has been advocating for this. Yet he's never explained why in the hell this suddenly becomes an issue worth not passing a CR over if the Democrats call our "bluff." I put bluff in quotes because, after all, we already know full well the Republicans will pass a CR. And why would Republicans, who aren't willing to go that far in order to defund Obamacare, willing to go that far for this?

Posted by: Rich at September 24, 2013 02:31 PM (X3jCZ)

132 Knowin' stuff will only get you banned. Posted by: garrett -------------- Crap! You're right. I took a needless risk. Many Senate Republicans would not approve.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 24, 2013 02:31 PM (aDwsi)

133 >> A Blog of One. <<


Ace did that for a while a few years ago.
He just changed all of the cobs names to his for a few days. Funny stuff.

Posted by: garrett at September 24, 2013 06:30 PM (nKFzF)

 

He also banned his self once IIRC

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:31 PM (nTgAI)

134 He should bring up the fact that employers have stopped paying for all of your healthcare, everyone now is contributing to their health care and premiums have gone up, deductibles have gone up and coverage has gone down.  Most people are getting angry and frustrated, they are paying more for a lot less.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 02:31 PM (Nx76m)

135 Everybody who knows something that Ace doesn't, raise your hand. Hey, where did everybody go?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 24, 2013 02:32 PM (mvenn)

136 114 Single. Payer. For. Lawyers. Posted by: AmishDude at September 24, 2013 06:25 PM (xSegX) THIS. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at September 24, 2013 06:27 PM (qyfb5) At least then they can understand it. They can't understand the complexities of "buy low, sell high" or other concepts of basic economics, but they do get "I won't get to be rich."

Posted by: AmishDude at September 24, 2013 02:32 PM (xSegX)

137 A Blog of One. Nah. I'm sure CAC would still be around. CAC: *bending over telescope* 'And that's Uranus right there.' Ace: 'And here's Uranus right here.' *grunts*

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 24, 2013 02:32 PM (U2UQk)

138 It also assumes that Obama won't ignore the law.

Posted by: GM at September 24, 2013 02:32 PM (K0tm3)

139 Tough titties, dummy. Now get in line behind the 20 million illegal aliens you just gave full bennies. I am a US Senator. I don't even remember what a line is!

Posted by: J McCain at September 24, 2013 02:32 PM (yETln)

140

Apparently Rubio knows how to tie a nice  windsor knot. 

 

Round here, that's  a bannable offense. 

 

Posted by: garrett at September 24, 2013 02:33 PM (nKFzF)

141 Stand on the repeal of the stipend being given to Congress for obamadeath. Force them all to get it or no continuing resolution. Now THAT is a hill to die on and one we would look good doing and one we might actually WIN

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:34 PM (9Xc5j)

142 https://www.google.ca/#q=site%3Aminx.cc+"JeffB"+(n%2F%2BFT)++%2Brand+%2Bstaffers

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at September 24, 2013 02:34 PM (K5R1m)

143 Maybe the upside to all of this is to provide good soundbytes for anti-Obamacare news outlets. Which could maybe to stir up more popular opposition to Obamacare. Which could open Obamacare supporters to some tough questions. Lo-o-o-o-o-ong shot. But, like Rand got Holder to talk about assassination of citizens--like someone brought up on an earlier thread.

Posted by: m at September 24, 2013 02:34 PM (jlqKz)

144 Why is the conspiracy blog crowd suddenly bringing up "fired up and ready to go" in relation to repealing the second amendment?  Repealing an amendment is a big deal right?  There's no loophole we don't know about right?

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 02:34 PM (Nx76m)

145 At least then they can understand it. They can't understand the complexities of "buy low, sell high" or other concepts of basic economics, but they do get "I won't get to be rich." Lately it's pretty easy to make money shorting stocks. Just sayin'

Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 02:34 PM (yETln)

146 anything that kills amnesty is great. This pushes amnesty backer and backer.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:34 PM (QxSug)

147 Stand on the repeal of the stipend being given to Congress for obamadeath. Force them all to get it or no continuing resolution. Now THAT is a hill to die on and one we would look good doing and one we might actually WIN

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 06:34 PM (9Xc5j)

 

Can it be done ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:34 PM (nTgAI)

148 This can only go on until tomorrow?

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:34 PM (0axsw)

149 The Yellow-bellied Yellow-back Establishment Repubs in the Senate don't want anything to do with being under Odeathcare, so they will help Reid end this asap.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 24, 2013 06:27 PM (sj9LN)

 

Are you saying we aren't trustworthy? We are wounded to the quick, sir, aggrieved to the very core of our being. Whatever would give you the idea that we, your Most Beloved Republican Establishment, would stab you in the back in a heartbeat you worthless, gap-toothed, knuckle-dragging, Bible-pounding, gun clinging, Jesus-loving flyover country cracker...oh. Apologies. A little stream-of-consciousness experiment on our part. We do love our occasional literary bon mots. James Joyce, have you read him?

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 24, 2013 02:35 PM (2jF2B)

150 **Tough titties, dummy. Now get in line behind the 20 million illegal aliens you just gave full bennies.** and obamacars. and free DUI's and a free fake passport or two. But, hey, it's a bill that Rubio could stand behind.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:35 PM (QxSug)

151 * representing *

Posted by: Free Wi-Fi at Starbucks at September 24, 2013 02:35 PM (UypUQ)

152 Why is the conspiracy blog crowd suddenly bringing up "fired up and ready to go" in relation to repealing the second amendment? Repealing an amendment is a big deal right? There's no loophole we don't know about right? Fired Up! *crowd calls back* Fired Up! Ready to Go! *crowd calls back* Ready to Go!

Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 02:36 PM (yETln)

153 My mistake. I misremembered Jeff B. as JeffB
Let's change that search term:
https://www.google.ca/#q=site%3Aminx.cc+"Jeff+B."+(n%2F%2BFT)++%2Brand+%2Bstaffers

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at September 24, 2013 02:36 PM (K5R1m)

154 Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward...

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:36 PM (nTgAI)

155 ***Tough titties, dummy. Now get in line behind the 20 million illegal aliens you just gave full bennies.***** to be fair, the illegals do something that most americans wont' do...vote democrat...and therefore, they're invaluable to the donks.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:36 PM (QxSug)

156 rank-and-file blue-collar federal employees Who? Who are these people?

Posted by: AmishDude at September 24, 2013 02:36 PM (xSegX)

157 He also banned his self once IIRC

CJ bribed me $50 to do that.

Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 24, 2013 02:37 PM (9MLX+)

158 Can it be done ? Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 06:34 PM (nTgAI) If all the Republicans in Congress hang tough. Yes I think so, but we would have to let the Gov shut down and then make the argument, ACTUALLY MAKE AN ARGUMENT, that all we asking for is Congress to be treated like all other Americans.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:37 PM (9Xc5j)

159 Obamacare Winners: illegals, drug addicts, scammers, thieves Obamacare Losers: everyone else

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 02:37 PM (HDgX3)

160 **Repealing an amendment is a big deal right? ** I know, right? signed, xxoo Mr. Kelo

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:38 PM (QxSug)

161 anyway to recall McCain, Cornyn, Graham and McConnell?

Posted by: thunderb at September 24, 2013 02:38 PM (zOTsN)

162 not really..

Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 24, 2013 02:38 PM (9MLX+)

163 He is doing good by giving Cruz a rest. Wether you like him or not, he is doing the right thing Posted by: Ma Bell at September 24, 2013 06:30 PM (RLdcX) Yeah, he's doing good.

Posted by: m at September 24, 2013 02:38 PM (jlqKz)

164 He also banned his self once IIRC

CJ bribed me $50 to do that.

Posted by: Purp PhD/MD/Esq/Nobel Laureate at September 24, 2013 06:37 PM (9MLX+)

 

Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:38 PM (nTgAI)

165 rank-and-file blue-collar federal employees
Who?
Who are these people?
Nancy Pelosi's Facial Spackle® team.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at September 24, 2013 02:38 PM (K5R1m)

166 Hey, we're looking for some stories to run tonight on the news because there is NOTHING going on today! Slooow news day, ya know? So, anyone got anything? Is Miley Cyrus up to anything?

Posted by: Mainstream Media at September 24, 2013 02:39 PM (Vvg+J)

167 The_One_Who_Brings ‏@AceofSpadesHQ 20m .@ChicoDelainky is to comedy what my dick is to a new brick of cream cheese. Oh God I've said too much. Expand ************** Whut? I can't figure out anything today.

Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 02:39 PM (r2PLg)

168 167 The_One_Who_Brings ‏@AceofSpadesHQ 20m .@ChicoDelainky is to comedy what my dick is to a new brick of cream cheese. Oh God I've said too much. Expand ************** That. Was hilarous.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:40 PM (QxSug)

169 The House Republican leadership is seriously considering attaching a one-year delay of ObamacareÂ’s individual mandate to the Senate bill to avert a government shutdown, according to senior GOP aides. If House Republicans decide to go this route, it would all but provoke a government shutdown, since Senate Democrats might not even schedule a vote on a bill that includes that provision, Senate leadership staffers say. Even if the Senate schedules a vote, there might not be time to move the legislation through the slow-moving chamber. From DRUDGE: Not exactly what I said but close

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:40 PM (9Xc5j)

170 Let's see McCain, who has officially denied saying he can't stand Cruz, show up and ask a question...  

I guarantee that the leadership think this is all about a show and nothing will come of it.  I hope they start seeing twitter and the interweb light up with this shit and suddenly their P.R. people call them and tell them they've got to get in on the win.. 

Posted by: Yip at September 24, 2013 02:40 PM (/jHWN)

171 Cruz already appears tired.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:41 PM (DmNpO)

172 Single. Payer. For. College. Professors. They're just as much to blame for the current mess as any other profession....

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at September 24, 2013 02:41 PM (bCEmE)

173 Oh and flashing light/siren about that at Drudge

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:41 PM (9Xc5j)

174
Drudge has a mini-siren going about delaying individual mandate.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 24, 2013 02:41 PM (sj9LN)

175 It is funny with McCain. Even in 2008, Obama was able to run to his right on many issues.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:41 PM (QxSug)

176 Maybe the plan was all along to fake them with the Cruz fake, and then hit them in the gut with the one year delay on the individual mandate

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:41 PM (9Xc5j)

177 Once again the GOP has a shitty message. Not the content of the message mind you, but the messaging itself.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 02:42 PM (HDgX3)

178 >>Whut? >>I can't figure out anything today. Ace likes to stick his dick in all sorts of food products and other people's garbage. Everyone knows this.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 02:42 PM (g1DWB)

179
Missed it by that much.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 24, 2013 02:42 PM (sj9LN)

180 knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 06:34 PM (Nx76m) Equals 'curious' for those unaware. Please do not click on any link from this hash.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 24, 2013 02:43 PM (U2UQk)

181 >Why is the conspiracy blog crowd suddenly bringing up "fired up and ready to go" in relation to repealing the second amendment? Repealing an amendment is a big deal right? There's no loophole we don't know about right?

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 06:34 PM (Nx76m)



repealing an amendment to the Constitution is a huge deal. 3/5s of the states must sign on. Let me make the understatement of the year by saying it is unlikely the 2nd Amendment will be repealed.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 24, 2013 02:43 PM (8sCoq)

182 this could cost GOP Senators their democrat constituents, the people to whom they aspire to lead.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:43 PM (QxSug)

183 Ah, the Corbomite Jeff Maneuver.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at September 24, 2013 02:43 PM (K5R1m)

184 What does delaying the mandate accomplish ?. I'm slow

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:43 PM (nTgAI)

185 It is funny with McCain. Even in 2008, Obama was able to run to his right on many issues. You whacko bird.

Posted by: John McCain at September 24, 2013 02:43 PM (yETln)

186 To all the naysayers of the filibuster strategy, if every time McCain watches this or thinks about this and dies a little inside, it was worth it.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 24, 2013 02:43 PM (APJIX)

187
@176 :  or not, but either way that's a plan that makes sense to me.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 24, 2013 02:44 PM (sj9LN)

188 The mandate has no enforcement mechanism.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:44 PM (0axsw)

189 168 167 The_One_Who_Brings ‏@AceofSpadesHQ 20m .@ChicoDelainky is to comedy what my dick is to a new brick of cream cheese. Oh God I've said too much. Expand ************** That. Was hilarous. Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 06:40 PM (QxSug) ************** Problem is--I'm pretty sure Chico thinks that's a compliment.

Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 02:44 PM (r2PLg)

190

There can be no damn question that the Political Class must live under the laws they inflict on others. This isn't even up for debate.

 

 

Great sentiment.... but BOTH parties have consistently exempted themselves from the laws they enforce on us Peons....

 

American with Disabilities Act?  OSHA? Equal Opportunity stuff?

 

Heck... the President just put stupid looking solar Panels on the White House... which is a Historic Landmark....

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 02:44 PM (lZBBB)

191 Twitter is blowing up right now! #standwithcruz

Posted by: jmel at September 24, 2013 02:44 PM (nnVB1)

192 It's true. A govt shutdown would alienate voters who would never vote for Republicans.

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 02:44 PM (kagAm)

193 The Concern Trolls are working Sowell's piece pretty hard...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 24, 2013 02:44 PM (aDwsi)

194 The mandate has no enforcement mechanism.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 06:44 PM (0axsw)

 

yeah, there is this ^ I just recently learned this

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:45 PM (nTgAI)

195 Personally , I love the "brain drain " bullshit flying around in regards to this . Sure , these fuckers are gonna leave the gubmint trough ..... sure they are .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 24, 2013 02:45 PM (0iJzo)

196 185 It is funny with McCain. Even in 2008, Obama was able to run to his right on many issues. You whacko bird. ******** if every time McCain watches this or thinks about this and dies a little inside, it was worth it. ****** lolz. That fucking guy, what else does a GOP senator do all day aside from not passing a budget? And kissing liberal ass?

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:45 PM (QxSug)

197 Heck... the President just put stupid looking solar Panels on the White House... which is a Historic Landmark.... Jimmy Carter put them up first!

Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 02:45 PM (yETln)

198 First, hello guys. Nice to see Ted Cruz making some noise. Of course, its being ignored/mocked by the msm... typical.

Anyway, they now want to delay the mandate. But all the provisions that jack up the price go into effect, right? So at least I have the option of having absolutely no protection, versus paying an exorbitant amount of money for a little bit of protection.

We all have family members who NEED health insurance because they have some illness or are older and are at risk. Just getting rid of the mandate does NOTHING to help us.

In fact, just delaying the mandate will make things worse, because then you will see the death spiral the insurance companies were talking about. The one that any state market has seen when they impose guaranteed coverage. The one that jacks up the price regardless of any government regulation.


Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 02:45 PM (Vvg+J)

199 A good suggestioon from "Mousetheluckydog" a commentator on the Legal Insurrection site: "Can I make a suggestion? People who have Republican Senators who are not supporting Cruz call Cruz’s office and ask that he tell those Senators ( on the floor ) that he has received calls from their constituents ( by name ) that those Senators failure to support him means that these constituents will not support them. ” Senator Billy Bob for Maine, I have a note hear that Jim Jackson has called my office and asked me to tell you that failure to support me in this would mean that he will never again support you”

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 02:45 PM (a4Omg)

200 178 >>Whut? >>I can't figure out anything today. Ace likes to stick his dick in all sorts of food products and other people's garbage. Everyone knows this. Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 06:42 PM (g1DWB) ******************** Holy gawd he's an animal. And he claims his mother reads here....

Posted by: tasker at September 24, 2013 02:45 PM (r2PLg)

201 What does delaying the mandate accomplish ?. I'm slow Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 06:43 PM (nTgAI) A) we might, just might, retake the Senate next year B) we might, just might, increase our lead in the Congress C) this obamadeath is growing increasingly less popular every day and obama is growing weaker and weaker D) The longer it's delayed, the more bad stuff comes out about it: Remember you gotta pass it to see what's inside it. Pelosi was right, but not in the way she thought

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:46 PM (9Xc5j)

202 188 The mandate has no enforcement mechanism. That's my new job.

Posted by: Lois Lerner at September 24, 2013 02:46 PM (islXR)

203 If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. - Winston Churchill

Posted by: Things that should be on AosHQ masthead, instead of that asshole Mencken at September 24, 2013 02:46 PM (RFeQD)

204 It's true. A govt shutdown would alienate voters who would never vote for Republicans. ******* as in.... Focusing on repealing an incredibly unpopular bill that obama tied around his own neck is only driving moderates from the GOP. And by moderates, I mean people who would never vote for the GOP.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:46 PM (QxSug)

205 A govt shutdown will show people that you can survive without govt. The people who will be hurt most are already Democrats who depend on govt for everything in their lives.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 02:46 PM (HDgX3)

206 Delaying Obamacare ain't everything but it's something. Death penalty lawyers fight and fight and fight for years to delay the sentence being carried out. In the end it's the same as a life sentence. Live to fight another day. If you can't kill it postpone forever.

Posted by: wierdflunkyonatablet at September 24, 2013 02:47 PM (tlhtD)

207 What does delaying the mandate accomplish ?. I'm slow
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 06:43 PM (nTgAI)

A) we might, just might, retake the Senate next year

B) we might, just might, increase our lead in the Congress

C) this obamadeath is growing increasingly less popular every day and obama is growing weaker and weaker

D) The longer it's delayed, the more bad stuff comes out about it: Remember you gotta pass it to see what's inside it. Pelosi was right, but not in the way she thought

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 06:46 PM (9Xc5j)

 

 

But wouldn't making people conform piss people off and favor the Repbs ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:47 PM (nTgAI)

208

What is the dollar amount of a "Cadillac Plan"?

Does anyone know?

 

I seem to remember the figure of $15,000...per year...as the magic figure that will make you subject to taxes.

 

The thing is, everyone's premiums have been going up since ZeroCare® was passed.

So...a lot of people are now eligible to be taxed that weren't eligible before.

 

I asked my doctor about this a couple of months ago...

He said that "They're making it so that we're all on a Cadillac Plan".

Posted by: wheatie at September 24, 2013 02:47 PM (1HNzX)

209 In fact, just delaying the mandate will make things worse, because then you will see the death spiral the insurance companies were talking about. They will die anyway at this rate. Our only chance is that it is delayed and then so many people lose their beloved insurance that the country revolts and obamadeath is shit canned

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:47 PM (9Xc5j)

210 by jove, joe, you've got it!

Posted by: soothsayer at September 24, 2013 02:47 PM (kagAm)

211 have any of the representatives speaking commented on the misuse of Govt agencies against 'peoples crimes'
such as not being nice to Obama  IRS used to harrass fellow americans for political purpose OR epa used against business  for Political paybacks and cronyism ?
and that those not in Favor of  The president or govt in power are at risk of being harrassed or harmed ? are you in the wrong party?

why would or should we trust govt agency to treat you or I fairly at this point?

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:48 PM (nqBYe)

212 Drudge has a mini-siren going about delaying individual mandate. *** Damnit! Cruz and Company are fighting on the floor to make a point and the House is going to fold. SURE! Give it to the Dems in 2014. Let's delay the pain.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:48 PM (DmNpO)

213 It really helps if you warm the cream cheese up to room temperature first.
 
*hoping that ace knows this*

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 24, 2013 02:48 PM (wNF3N)

214 Everybody who knows something that Ace doesn't, raise your hand. *Hand up.* Unless, that is, Ace made an extensive study of the Protestant Reformation from both religious and political perspectives, with special attention to its continuing effects upon the cultural landscape of Europe and America and the development of political liberty.. Oh wait. He did? Well okay then. *hand down*

Posted by: Sam Clovis and his tasty tasty garbage at September 24, 2013 02:48 PM (jevZa)

215 The deductibles are so that the plans are effectively worthless.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:49 PM (0axsw)

216 Oh no, we can't delay the man date. I just got re-sequined and freshened up 'down there'.

Posted by: Zombie Liberace at September 24, 2013 02:49 PM (mvenn)

217 Mike Lee now

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 24, 2013 02:49 PM (MhA4j)

218 If we had a long filibuster, another benefit would be: everyone will be getting their own personal Obamacare horror story come October 1. amirite? Our position becomes more and more popular, the more we know what's in the bill.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:49 PM (QxSug)

219 But wouldn't making people conform piss people off and favor the Repbs ? Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 06:47 PM (nTgAI) People are gonna feel what's coming without it going into full effect. They/we already are. As is, rates are skyrocketing and companies are dropping out of the market all over the place. Anger is building. Let it build.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:49 PM (9Xc5j)

220 I am willing to compromise on this question.  If the ruling class wants it to be true that the laws are different for them -- fine --


Then they can be jailed without trial, there will be no habeas corpus, they can be tortured, they have no right to bear arms, no right to free speech, etc.


You are ruling class and want to be treated differently under the law?  I say go for it, you should be treated differently and hopefully it will start right away.

Posted by: jc at September 24, 2013 02:49 PM (i8c5b)

221 Demotards were saying Sequester would mean the end of the world. Sequester came and holy shit, the sun came out after all!! Same thing will happen with the govt shutdown. For true "moderates" ie, those who don't depend on welfare to eat, they will realize that govt is way too fucking big and needs cutting.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 02:50 PM (HDgX3)

222 >>Single. >>Payer. >>For. >>College. >>Professors. >>They're just as much to blame for the current mess as any other profession.... A friggin men. We sink a metric buttload of tax dollars into the sink that is higher education in this country and we get dumber kids and crap like global warming. No more tax dollars for colleges and universities.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 02:50 PM (g1DWB)

223 Damnit! Cruz and Company are fighting on the floor to make a point and the House is going to fold. SURE! Give it to the Dems in 2014. Let's delay the pain. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 06:48 PM (DmNpO) The House is NOT folding if they stick to delaying the individual mandate. Could have been the plan all along

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:50 PM (9Xc5j)

224 while he's up there, he may as well catch up on the IRS scandal and FnF, and Benghazi. Where's our special prosecutor?

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:50 PM (QxSug)

225 - Winston Churchill Posted by: Things that should be on AosHQ masthead, instead of that asshole Mencken at September 24, 2013 06:46 PM (RFeQD) I think he was asking for substitutes a while back. I second this one.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 24, 2013 02:50 PM (QF8uk)

226 Okay, confession time: I play tabletop RPGs and I can't follow the arcane and byzantine cesspool of Congressional rules. I've seen more coherency in pages-long forum debates about the comma usage in one Pathfinder rule than someone explaining a Senate filibuster. Posted by: pookysgirl at September 24, 2013 06:09 PM (kMnHs) ------------------ Congress, the ultimate RPG for rules lawyers.

Posted by: LauraC at September 24, 2013 02:50 PM (fXZDm)

227 If so many people lose their insurance that obamadeath is shit canned, to use your words, then what will we come back to? There won't BE anything to come back to, because we will have strangled the insurance companies almost to death.

You want to see what a policy with a financially crippled Blue Cross Blue Shield costs every month? It's already pretty pricey in most places, and BCBS is making money hand over fist right now. Insert Aetna/UnitedHealth/whatever for BCBS if you like.

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 02:50 PM (Vvg+J)

228 This is funny, because Fauxlibuster Ted wouldn't study with Uncle Ace or any of all y'all. You ain't graduated from Princeton or Harvard for starters. Actually, that's also for enders. He thinks you're all shit, and you love him for it.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 24, 2013 02:51 PM (w45V0)

229 In fact, just delaying the mandate will make things worse, because then you will see the death spiral the insurance companies were talking about.

They will die anyway at this rate. Our only chance is that it is delayed and then so many people lose their beloved insurance that the country revolts and obamadeath is shit canned

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 06:47 PM (9Xc5j)

Only dupes were going to be influenced by the mandate one way or another anyways.  Its very easy to reduce your taxes owed to zero or less by updating your W-4. Justice Roberts reinforced the provision that the IRS has no recourse to colleting that penalty outside of garnishing people's tax refunds.

[/AFAIK]

Posted by: Free Wi-Fi at Starbucks at September 24, 2013 02:52 PM (UypUQ)

230 215 The deductibles are so that the plans are effectively worthless. Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 06:49 PM (0axsw) _________ How's that? Insurance SHOULD have high deductibles. Health insurance should pay if you get cancer. It shouldn't pay for routine health exams or minor things like a broken leg. Do you expect you car insurance to pay for an oil change? Of course not. Yet for some reason people expect health insurance to pay for the medical equivalent of it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 02:52 PM (HDgX3)

231

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 06:34 PM (Nx76m)

 

There is a school of Legal thought that Treaties once confirmed as the Equal power of the Constitution.

 

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

 

That wording makes both the Constitution and the laws made under it... AND Treaties... Supreme Law of the Land....  (by some legal thought)...

 

Ergo, a Treaty from say... the UN... which is an end run around the 2nd Amendment, would have equal standing to the second.... and therefore be up to the Administration to decide 'how' to enforce....

 

Thus, by that reasoning, the UN Small Arms Treaty, if ratified by the Senate (which is possible with the RINOs in it)... could be used as an end run around the 2nd.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 02:52 PM (lZBBB)

232 >>Rex the Wonder God at September 24, 2013 06:51 PM Derp.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 02:53 PM (g1DWB)

233 and once again, a speaking gig by teh Precedent gets upstaged by breaking news

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 24, 2013 02:53 PM (8sCoq)

234 229 Insurance is to protect assets. If you don't have a lot of assets you don't need much insurance.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 02:53 PM (0axsw)

235 The House is NOT folding if they stick to delaying the individual mandate. Could have been the plan all along *** You're going to have to explain how that is the case.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 02:54 PM (DmNpO)

236
I don't think so Neid.  I think its more of an inevitable backup plan that ensures at least a short govt shutdown, so maybe puts some pressure on senate dems to consider to maybe just defund.

But then again, I think most of them are in cahoots against us, so this total kabuki will probably cost us all more than it already was.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 24, 2013 02:54 PM (sj9LN)

237 Delay the individual mandate? Does that mean you don't have to buy insurance?
Wasn't that the whole point of this circus act, that too many people didn't have insurance, and too many people were not participating in the insurance pool?

Does that mean you won't be taxed if you don't have insurance?

Sure, the news media can 'report' the individual mandate has been delayed, but what will the bureaucrats actually do? Does anyone actually know?

Posted by: Old, Tired, Broken down, and busted at September 24, 2013 02:54 PM (A9NFq)

238 50 >>>Come on ace, we all know that Cruz only said this so he could increase his fund raising for his 2016 Presidential run. Not fundraising, but rather his visibility and his donor list. Money isn't important now. Profile, plus names and e-mail addresses and phone numbers -- that's important. But yes, that's actually what Cruz was doing here. Sorry to force you to confront the cynical truth about your Fighting Hero, but there you have it. He sure as shit wasn't doing all this to "stop Obamacare," because as we all are finally willing to admit that was never a possibility. Posted by: Jeff B. at September 24, 2013 06:10 PM (n/+FT) See Jeff b had to drop the "he's just doing this to fundraise" claim he was making last Thursday once the republican congressional campaign committee started doing the exact same thing.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 24, 2013 02:54 PM (RKWKB)

239 A broken leg is not necessarily a minor thing, but then you would know best? Warum?

Posted by: Dr. Mengele at September 24, 2013 02:55 PM (RFeQD)

240 There won't BE anything to come back to, because we will have strangled the insurance companies almost to death. You want to see what a policy with a financially crippled Blue Cross Blue Shield costs every month? It's already pretty pricey in most places, and BCBS is making money hand over fist right now. Insert Aetna/UnitedHealth/whatever for BCBS if you like. Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 06:50 PM (Vvg+J) Most of the Companies are not leaving the field all together, but dropping out of those markets that suck- which is growing. But they can and will bide their time and if it makes financial sense, they will come back into those States. If they can make money, they will. We are a Capitalistic Economy after all, or we used to be

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:55 PM (9Xc5j)

241 See Jeff b had to drop the "he's just doing this to fundraise" claim he was making last Thursday once the republican congressional campaign committee started doing the exact same thing. ********* hmmm, a GOP politician doing something the base will like in order to get rewarded? I wish McCain were poor so he would have some incentive to listen to the people he fooled into voting for him.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 24, 2013 02:56 PM (QxSug)

242 >Do you expect you car insurance to pay for an oil change? Of course not. Yet for some reason people expect health insurance to pay for the medical equivalent of it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 06:52 PM (HDgX3)


I agree with you- I want health insurance that pays only for those serious big expenses I can't afford: smashed up in a car accident, cancer, stuff like that

I'm willing to pay for the sniffles or a few stitches in the ER out of my own pocket, if it would keep my premiums down

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 24, 2013 02:56 PM (8sCoq)

243 Sure, the news media can 'report' the individual mandate has been delayed, but what will the bureaucrats actually do? Does anyone actually know?

Posted by: Old, Tired, Broken down, and busted at September 24, 2013 06:54 PM (A9NFq)

 

They will blame it on the republicans that the children have been denied insurance and they want the old people and the poor people to die

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 02:56 PM (nTgAI)

244 yeah, there is this ^ I just recently learned this

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 06:45 PM (nTgAI)

That keyboard symbol is called a "caret". Its used in proofreading documents.

Posted by: Free Wi-Fi at Starbucks at September 24, 2013 02:57 PM (UypUQ)

245 Jimmy Carter put them up first!

 

 

Posted by: bonhomme at September 24, 2013 06:45 PM (yETln)

 

 

Yeah.... because following in Carter's footsteps makes is sooooo much better...

 

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2013 02:57 PM (lZBBB)

246 There won't BE anything to come back to, because we will have strangled the insurance companies almost to death.

Who gives a shit. You want to lower health care costs, make health insurance illegal. Fuck them, they're the whole problem to begin with.

Posted by: qq at September 24, 2013 02:57 PM (L6eip)

247 You're going to have to explain how that is the case. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 06:54 PM (DmNpO) Watch my left, Watch my left, Watch my left and then I floor you with my right. I don't think the Dems saw this coming, IF the Republicans stick to their guns in the Congress

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 02:57 PM (9Xc5j)

248 ^ Oh carets are divine you get a dozen for a dime it's magic. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Posted by: Bugs Bunny at September 24, 2013 02:58 PM (0axsw)

249 Most of the Companies are not leaving the field all together, but dropping out of those markets that suck- which is growing. But they can and will bide their time and if it makes financial sense, they will come back into those States. If they can make money, they will. We are a Capitalistic Economy after all, or we used to be

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 24, 2013 06:55 PM (9Xc5j)


i know i read of clevelnd mayo clinics starting lay offs and cut backs.


so it Is affecting many areas in the health care buiness.

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 02:59 PM (nqBYe)

250 Mr. Moo Moo -

For what I pay in car insurance, yeah, why not? Throw me a free oil change once in a while, lol.

I think the hole in your argument is that you can dump a crap car that needs constant maintenance. If I get a chronic illness, I can't go get a new body.

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 02:59 PM (Vvg+J)

251 yeah, there is this ^ I just recently learned this

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 06:45 PM (nTgAI)

That keyboard symbol is called a "caret". Its used in proofreading documents.

Posted by: Free Wi-Fi at Starbucks at September 24, 2013 06:57 PM (UypUQ)

 

Actually, I meant that I just learned about the lack of enforcement mech, now I learned about carets. AOS, it's a regular learning factory.

 

Where is bigfoot hiding ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 03:00 PM (nTgAI)

252

Unfreakingbelievable that this is even a debate. Is there any American citizen who would support a Congressman who doesn't want to live under the same laws as we have to?

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at September 24, 2013 03:01 PM (ZufZo)

253 "But yes, that's actually what Cruz was doing here. Sorry to force you to confront the cynical truth about your Fighting Hero, but there you have it." Um, yes. This is exactly correct. It's now politically profitable for Republicans to celebrate die-hard opposition to Obamacare. "He sure as shit wasn't doing all this to "stop Obamacare," because as we all are finally willing to admit that was never a possibility." Nonsense. It was and still is a possibility. Cruz's personal motives or beliefs have nothing to do with that. The only question is whether they choose to do it, or not. I refuse to accommodate people who want to conveniently redefine impossible to mean "terribly inconvenient".

Posted by: GalosGann at September 24, 2013 03:02 PM (vW1n3)

254 Unfreakingbelievable that this is even a debate. Is there any American citizen who would support a Congressman who doesn't want to live under the same laws as we have to?

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at September 24, 2013 07:01 PM (ZufZo)

 

Que ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 24, 2013 03:02 PM (nTgAI)

255 It's funny, I see ads on TV for car insurance all the time.  State Farm, Allstate, GEICO, those old esurance ads.  But you never see them for health insurance.  AFLAC - disability - yes but straight up health insurance, no.

Why?

You'd think that kind of aggressive competition for customers might benefit the health insurance consumer.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 24, 2013 03:03 PM (6WVi+)

256 I think the hole in your argument is that you can dump a crap car that needs constant maintenance. If I get a chronic illness, I can't go get a new body. Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 06:59 PM (Vvg+J) __________ You don't understand what the word insurance means.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 03:03 PM (HDgX3)

257 That would be a good Twitter hashtag line for people who twee (I don't) "The Congress should not be exemot from Obamacare because......"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 03:04 PM (a4Omg)

258 I think part of a rebuilt insurance system should require providers to seperate plans into "catastrophic", expenses over $5k, and "benefits", routine costs less than $5k.  You obviously get the catastrophic before you can foot the bill for "benefits".

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 24, 2013 03:05 PM (UypUQ)

259 Oh, if I had a sergeant major ...

Posted by: T. Cruz at September 24, 2013 03:05 PM (yL0v8)

260 qq-

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not quite sure what has driven costs so high, but I have a feeling a lot of it has to do with doctors coming out of school with $300,000 of debt each to pay off. I think some more of it has to do with government intervention. I'm not sure of the precise mechanics, but whenever gov't puts its big hairy hand in something, it gets more expensive. And then there's inflation, as well.

Most of the argument about insurance itself driving costs up has to do with the idea that insurance allows doctors to prescribe unnecessary procedures/treatments. Unfortunately, In my experience, that "unnecessary" procedure is something like a CAT scan to rule out cancer, or a blood test to catch something that might be rare, but possible. When you cut that out, you get shitty medicine like in Britain, where people die of tumors they never knew they had, because the doctor said it was just cramps or something.

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 03:06 PM (Vvg+J)

261 i know i read of cleveland mayo clinics starting lay offs and cut backs.
Get me Hamm on five and hold the Mayo.

Posted by: president o'bumbles at September 24, 2013 03:06 PM (K5R1m)

262 I think the hole in your argument is that you can dump a crap car that needs constant maintenance. If I get a chronic illness, I can't go get a new body. And yet, through the miracle of preventive maintenance, you can prevent a car from becoming a POS. Pay through the nose for some sort of insurance to protect from high cost to repair engine, transmission, etc. OR do all the recommended maintenance at the intervals suggested in the manual. We've become a country that wants to burn the manual, run the oil to 100k before changing, then expect the govmint to pick up the tab. F that.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 24, 2013 03:06 PM (U2UQk)

263 I agree with you- I want health insurance that pays only for those serious big expenses I can't afford: smashed up in a car accident, cancer, stuff like thatI'm willing to pay for the sniffles or a few stitches in the ER out of my own pocket, if it would keep my premiums down Posted by: Jones in CO at September 24, 2013 06:56 PM (8sCoq) ___________ Finally, someone who understands what the term INSURANCE means.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 03:06 PM (HDgX3)

264 I agree with you- I want health insurance that pays only for those serious big expenses I can't afford: smashed up in a car accident, cancer, stuff like thatI'm willing to pay for the sniffles or a few stitches in the ER out of my own pocket, if it would keep my premiums down


Under my health plan, if you like your health insurance you can keep your health insurance.

You do like mandatory no-out-of-pocket reproductive health visits and free contraceptives, right?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 24, 2013 03:06 PM (6WVi+)

265 Obviously not Tereyton Cigarette smokers.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at September 24, 2013 03:06 PM (pgQxn)

266 254 It's funny, I see ads on TV for car insurance all the time. State Farm, Allstate, GEICO, those old esurance ads. But you never see them for health insurance. AFLAC - disability - yes but straight up health insurance, no. Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 24, 2013 07:03 PM (6WVi+) ___________ I see ads all the time for Aetna, Humana, United. Health insurance companies spend a ton on marketing.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 24, 2013 03:08 PM (HDgX3)

267 Mr. Moo Moo -

I don't think you understand what health insurance is, in its current form. What you're talking about works fine in 1950, when it cost $5 to see the doctor. Chronic illnesses can't be dealt with under a "car insurance" paradigm.

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 03:08 PM (Vvg+J)

268 Hee. Matthews is going full blown batshit crazy over Cruz. If he's done nothing else he may just make Matthews completely lose his mind.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 24, 2013 03:09 PM (g1DWB)

269 Well, he's already lost us.

Posted by: chrissie matthews' kidneys at September 24, 2013 03:10 PM (K5R1m)

270 "Chronic illnesses can't be dealt with under a "car insurance" paradigm." Why is that?

Posted by: GalosGann at September 24, 2013 03:11 PM (vW1n3)

271 "make DC listen"  https://twitter.com/search?q=make%20DC%20listen&src=typd&f=realtime

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:12 PM (Nx76m)

272 Sen Cruz just threw down the gauntlet "tweet with the hash tag #MakeDCListen and I will read some tweets on the floor of the Senate later this evening" game on.

Posted by: Sstrategic Corporal USMC at September 24, 2013 03:13 PM (6J+oK)

273 What they need now are a few democratic senators to stand with them, but they'll need a brass set.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:13 PM (Nx76m)

274 Delaying the individual mandate does crap-all. What, you saved people a $95 fine? Here have a cookie. Good plans will remain cancelled. Our aristocracy will remain exempt from the laws they impose upon us .... Seriously, what does delaying the individual mandate accomplish?

Posted by: Sam Clovis and his tasty tasty garbage at September 24, 2013 03:13 PM (jevZa)

275 The reason they tried to make it mandatory is the policies are not worth what they cost. Insurance is for protecting assets. It is not to get access to care. No amount of Uncle Tom  navel gazing changes this. The people that they are trying to force to buy useless policies have precious few assets. The insurance companies wrote the bill and deserve what is coming.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 03:14 PM (0axsw)

276 Don't worry. We have a plan. Plan A: surrender, then blame the Tea Party Plan B: blame the Tea Party, then surrender

Posted by: His Leadership, the Mitch of McConnell at September 24, 2013 03:14 PM (yL0v8)

277 I'd tweet with Cruz, but I'm in twitter gulag for tweeting-while-conservative.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at September 24, 2013 03:15 PM (jevZa)

278 Seriously, what does delaying the individual mandate accomplish?

Posted by: Sam Clovis and his tasty tasty garbage at September 24, 2013 07:13 PM (jevZa)

You can't run a marathon with a festering blister.  You can barely get your sneakers on that morning.

They should just get rid of the whole damned thing and go back to normal.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:15 PM (Nx76m)

279 You can't take your wrecked hooptie to the Emergency Room.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 03:16 PM (0axsw)

280 I don't think the Dems saw this coming, IF the Republicans stick to their guns in the Congress *** First instinct when it comes to Boehner's House: cringe. I hope you are right.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 03:17 PM (DmNpO)

281 I'd tweet with Cruz, but I'm in twitter gulag for tweeting-while-conservative. *** Start a second account. That's what everybody else does.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 03:17 PM (DmNpO)

282 223 The House is NOT folding if they stick to delaying the individual mandate. Could have been the plan all along.

House leadership's initial Plan A (prior to passing the CR defunding ObamaCare) was to push delay via the debt ceiling.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 24, 2013 03:18 PM (YjDyJ)

283 #MAKEDCLISTEN  https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MAKEDCLISTEN&src=hashmake DC listen  https://twitter.com/search?q=make%20DC%20listen&src=typd&f=realtime

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:18 PM (Nx76m)

284 Why doesn't the car insurance paradigm work? What happens when you put in a claim? When you get in an accident? Your premium goes up. What happens when you put in a lot of claims? Your premium goes way up, to the point that you may not be able to afford it anymore.

So, you drive slower, you take some classes, you become a safe driver, and you can mitigate your costs.

What do you do under that scenario when you have to put in a monthly claim for a prescription? Or for a yearly MRI to check something?

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 03:19 PM (Vvg+J)

285 There is more than one "make DC listen" twitter thread and they are exploding.

There is also "make republicans listen" and "make karl rove listen" but he has no power here

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:20 PM (Nx76m)

286 Train Wreck? Choo choo.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 24, 2013 03:21 PM (0axsw)

287 He's listening.  I wrote such a heartfelt email to him and he's mentioning a lot of what I said.  I guess other people said the same things.  Thank you God.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:22 PM (Nx76m)

288 Rick Van Luvender ‏@RickVanLuvender If you like your doctor offer him a part time job after 1 October 2013 #MakeDCListen

Posted by: Sstrategic Corporal USMC at September 24, 2013 03:24 PM (6J+oK)

289

Senate phone lines are jammed. Start using fax, social media. Go to for list of twitter accounts.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:26 PM (Nx76m)

290 Knowledge is power -

What'd you say to get noticed? I'd love to write in myself.

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 03:26 PM (Vvg+J)

291 277 Seriously, what does delaying the individual mandate accomplish?

Posted by: Sam Clovis and his tasty tasty garbage at September 24, 2013 07:13 PM (jevZa)
You can't run a marathon with a festering blister. You can barely get your sneakers on that morning.They should just get rid of the whole damned thing and go back to normal.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 07:15 PM (Nx76m)



***************************************

Agreed, but the leftists do a much better job than we do at taking half a loaf, then coming back the next day and working on the rest of it. On issue after issue, they just keep chipping away, while we always seem to have to have everything or nothing. If we end this episode having delayed it for a year and forced Congress and the staff onto full Obamacare, and we can come back and fight it for another year, an election year at that, then it is a win.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 24, 2013 03:29 PM (IvgwH)

292 Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 07:26 PM (Vvg+J)

Nothing I wouldn't say to you.  Just from my heart, what I was observing how people are so really hurting already and how all the doctors I know are a combination of depressed and angry.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:30 PM (Nx76m)

293

bc Obamacare cost me my Job.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:33 PM (Nx76m)

294 This is a much smarter way to start chipping away at ObamaCare, especially since it would actually have (gulp) popular support instead of having the ridiculous temper tantrum/2016 campaign rollout that we're now seeing.

Posted by: Jeepers at September 24, 2013 03:34 PM (XDRsa)

295 knowledge -

Yeah, I've seen that too. The ENT I go to said that he was gonna quit if the Supreme Court didn't overturn Obamacare. My mom's doctor, who was a middle aged guy, suddenly quit medicine. He didn't come out and say Obamacare, but he had a bustling practice and seemed to be a happy guy.

Fortunately, I haven't seen my ENT in the last year, so I don't know if he carried through.

I just can't believe that people aren't angrier about this. My premium got jacked up 3x, and the plan is going to cover very little. My doctors are quitting. This is ruining the health care industry, and nobody is saying anything, except for a few "kooks" in the House and Senate. Where the hell is everyone? I would have thought that this would get a rise out of the people, but there's nothing.

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 03:35 PM (Vvg+J)

296 Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 07:35 PM (Vvg+J)

I think people are afraid to speak up.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:36 PM (Nx76m)

297 Somebody get him some sliders already.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 03:37 PM (0axsw)

298 Someone on twitter just said that spousal and family coverage was dropped by her husband's company and now he has to buy another policy to cover his spouse and kids.  This is insanity.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:39 PM (Nx76m)

299 @AceofSpadesHQ Because Department of VA healthcare for all citizens ( it's good enough for veterans...) #MakeDCListen

Posted by: Sstrategic Corporal USMC at September 24, 2013 03:42 PM (6J+oK)

300 Cruz is depressing himself.  It's true though, DC had no housing bubble, in fact, housing prices went up.  These people live in their little aristocratic government bubble, nothing touches them "Teflon DC and parts of Virginia and Maryland".  And, the scary part is they are fine with it, they are fine being the 1% while the rest of the country suffers and supports them and their pursuits.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:42 PM (Nx76m)

301 273 Seriously, what does delaying the individual mandate accomplish?

The Soft Underbelly of Obama­care- http://bit.ly/16cY6NV

"It remains the key provision in Obamacare. First, though it is weak, it will still influence some consumer behavior. Moreover, the mandate is essential to the expectations of the Congressional Budget Office and the law’s architects—it is the main reason they can continue to claim (and presumably to believe) that the system will be sustainable. Despite its weakness, and evidence of its likely ineffectiveness, they are counting on the mandate to transform the landscape of our health care system by driving millions of relatively young and healthy Americans to sign up for Obamacare’s insurance, even though doing so will in many cases cost them much more than today’s insurance options and provide them with less valuable protection against risk than today’s insurance does—after all, under the law’s new insurance rules, if they decide to opt out they can always opt back in within a year if they get sick, with no penalty."

Delay, Repeal, Replace- http://bit.ly/Vr4Abh

"Delaying the implementation of Obamacare would be important for three reasons: It would save hundreds of billions of dollars in federal spending. It would spare Americans from having their health care premiums spike until a somewhat later date. And it would move the onset of Obamacare much closer to the 2016 presidential election, which would put ObamaÂ’s centerpiece legislation at center stage in that race​—​as the future health of the nation demands that it be."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 24, 2013 03:44 PM (YjDyJ)

302 #StandWithCruzhttp://tinyurl.com/n8zfnhg


Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:46 PM (Nx76m)

303 This week on #RaisingMcCain: "My Daddy can't do the Filly Buster thingie because he can't change his Depend undergarment without assistance. Totes true, peeps!

Posted by: The U.N.'s IPCC at September 24, 2013 03:46 PM (NCkFb)

304 echo "ObamaCare" >/dev/null

Posted by: Sstrategic Corporal USMC at September 24, 2013 03:47 PM (6J+oK)

305 Someone on twitter just said that spousal and family coverage was dropped by her husband's company and now he has to buy another policy to cover his spouse and kids. This is insanity. **** UPS dropped spousal coverage

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 03:50 PM (DmNpO)

306 I am quite sure the establishment Republicans have absolutely no intention of risking their own pampered insurance polices. It is no longer a ‘representative’ government if (quoting verbatim from Common Sense) the ELECTED “form to themselves an interest separate from the ELECTORS, prudence will point out the propriety of having elections often; because as the ELECTED might by that means return and mix again with the general body of the ELECTORS in a few months, their fidelity to the public will be secured by the prudent reflection of not making a rod for themselves. And as this frequent interchange will establish a common interest with every part of the community, they will mutually and naturally support each other…”

Posted by: DeputyHeadmistress and Zookeeper at September 24, 2013 03:52 PM (mhcif)

307 Let me see if I understand this.

It is unfair to disrupt the health insurance programs of rank and file government workers, but it is okay to disrupt the the health insurance plans of a much greater number of taxpayers and their families?

Okay, I guess some animals are more equal than others.

Posted by: butch at September 24, 2013 03:53 PM (EV3Uf)

308
UPS dropped spousal coverage

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 24, 2013 07:50 PM (DmNpO)

That's a big employer that's going to have an impact all over the country.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:53 PM (Nx76m)

309 Okay, I guess some animals are more equal than others.

Posted by: butch at September 24, 2013 07:53 PM (EV3Uf)

Isn't that from Animal Farm?

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:54 PM (Nx76m)

310 Where are the rest of the republicans and the democrats that might be interested in keeping their jobs?  Are they this deaf, or is someone making sure that they aren't seeing all those polls saying the American people don't like this law?

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 03:58 PM (Nx76m)

311 True Cons are just determined to adopt the most obnoxious traits from Democrats, with none of their winning ways.

Posted by: Shoot Me at September 24, 2013 04:01 PM (qiXMt)

312 If the phone lines are tied up, fax your Senators. I went to a Tea Party rally where they said that was even more effective than a call which they can ignore or a e-mail they can delete. A fax is a paper they have to actually get up and deal with.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 04:04 PM (a4Omg)

313 Green eggs and ham?

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 04:05 PM (0axsw)

314 knowledge is power @ 309 - Yup.

Posted by: butch at September 24, 2013 04:06 PM (EV3Uf)

315 Ted Cruz is reading Green Eggs and Ham.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 04:07 PM (0axsw)

316 Hope he does Little Miss Muffit.

Posted by: Lt. Smokey of The LIB Brigade at September 24, 2013 04:08 PM (8/dgB)

317 Norman the Doorman?

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 04:08 PM (0axsw)

318 Cruz is beclowning himself.

Now he's reading Dr. Seuss on the Senate floor?  Do you really think the reason we lost the last election is because we needed a more obnoxious and annoying candidate?

Can we at least get behind a guy that has a plan instead of someone who's just an attention whore?

Posted by: Jeepers at September 24, 2013 04:15 PM (XDRsa)

319 Posted by: Jeepers at September 24, 2013 08:15 PM (XDRsa) Sorry. Very few people are buying what you're saying here.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 04:18 PM (a4Omg)

320 P.S. He's not a candidate for President yet. The election to replace the faux messiah isn't until 2016. He's dealing with the killing effects of Obamacare, and I don't mind at all if he reads a little "Green Eggs and Ham" Heck, he's been talking for about 5 hours. Let him have some fun with it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 24, 2013 04:23 PM (a4Omg)

321 His daughters have an 8PM bedtime.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 04:24 PM (0axsw)

322 Yeah, the guy standing on principle in the well of the US Senate, the guy speaking for the people that the government has chosen NOT to listen to anymore is beclowning himself.

Yeah, that guy's the clown.

It certainly isn't Harry Reid, who gets in front of reporters and utters the kind of nonsensical propaganda that you'd expect from a half-stoned college kid with half a semester of political science under his belt. No... that guy is distinguished and respected.

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 24, 2013 04:31 PM (Vvg+J)

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 04:38 PM (0axsw)

324 303 echo "ObamaCare" >/dev/null Posted by: Sstrategic Corporal USMC at September 24, 2013 07:47 PM -------- From your keyboard to God's terminal...

Posted by: LauraC at September 24, 2013 04:39 PM (fXZDm)

325 More RE @273 Seriously, what does delaying the individual mandate accomplish? :

"Beginning on January 1, 2014, ObamaCare will require most U.S. citizens to purchase government-controlled health insurance. This 'individual mandate' is, by the AdministrationÂ’s own admission, the 'linchpin' of the Washington takeover of health care. If the mandate were to go away, the whole costly and intrusive scheme would unravel."

"The unfairness of the mandate is this: its costly burden falls most heavily on just one segment of the population: young adults in their twenties and thirties.  They are the group most likely to be uninsured. Indeed, two-thirds of the uninsured are in their twenties and thirties. ObamaCare causes their insurance premiums to rise exponentially, in some cases doubling or even tripling. These Americans are uninsured because health insurance costs too much. ObamaCareÂ’s mandate is unfair to them, because it forces them to buy a product that is already too expensive, relative to their needs.

But the law is also unfair to everyone, not just millennials, in terms of how it is being implemented. The Obama Administration recently made a unilateral (and illegal) decision to cancel the 'employer mandate' (which requires employers with more than 50 employees to offer and heavily subsidize health insurance to their workers). But it left the individual mandate in place for the rest of us."

http://bit.ly/18hvHs0

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 24, 2013 04:39 PM (YjDyJ)

326 wouldn't people begin to notice? notice the inequality? notice they will pay up and our betters are free from it? that our betters decided they Did not like the Law of the Land because it wasn't actually good health care? Posted by: willow at September 24, 2013 06:05 PM (nqBYe) **************** IIRC, Congress and their staffers still have to buy Obamacare insurance policies on the exchanges. The difference between them and the general public is that when Joe Public goes to buy his required Obamacare policy, he is only entitled to a subsidy if he is low income. Obama is giving Congress and its staffers "special" subsidies, that do not require them to show that they are low income (because, of course, they are NOT low income). These "special" Obamacare subsidies for Congress/staffers are not available to the rest of the country. BTW, it is estimated that these "special" Congress/staffers subsidies will end up costing taxpayers more than $11,000 per Congressman/staffer, per year. You may be wondering what part of the Obamacare law authorized the president to give these "special" subsidies to Congress. The answer is that there is NOTHING in the law that gives the president the authority to do this. But Congress got nervous that it might start losing staffers if they actually had to pay out of pocket for their own expensive Obamacare policies. So now they get this "special" taxpayer-funded assistance that is not available to Joe Q. Public, who will also be struggling to afford his expensive new Obamacare policy and who, unlike Congress and its staffers, won't be getting the special $11k a year gift from taxpayers to help pay for it.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at September 24, 2013 05:22 PM (/sohm)

327 When will Fox News reporters and anchors wise up and ask every single politician and federal employee if they are willing to waive their exemption and subsidy and get on the same plan as their constituents???????

Posted by: vivi at September 24, 2013 06:36 PM (+/8mE)

328 320 His daughters have an 8PM bedtime.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at September 24, 2013 08:24 PM (0axsw)

They are 5 and 8 I think he said and at 8 he began reading the stories, one from the Bible and Dr. Seuss, Green Eggs and Ham.  Imagine they were asleep by the time he finished green eggs and ham.  Kindergarten and grade 2 or 3 are "hard work" nowadays, if you want to play like they did in kindergarten in the 1950's then you want pre school at three, at 5 you're reading and writing and having a full day, no nap.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 06:44 PM (Nx76m)

329 BTW, the first thing Dr. Savage did when he opened his show was to point out what a fraud O'reilly actually is, apparently he criticized Cruz, guess he's part of the rovian wing of the republican party.  Like hannity who lost his plum spot to kelly and now has to take a back seat and hope he keeps his radio show.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 06:46 PM (Nx76m)

330 The Explosion in Healthcare Premiums in One Convenient Chart

http://tinyurl.com/k2lctqa

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 24, 2013 07:24 PM (Nx76m)

331 Watching Ted Cruz filibustering on CSpan2 live at 12:47 am, he's on fire, absolutely took the Roberts Court to the freaking woodshed over their rewriting Obamacare not once (tax not penalty) but twice (the Federal government cannot commandeer state administrative resources to implement Federal policy, so we'll just add in an opt-out clause, now it's okay) in order to save it from their having to deem it unconstitutional.  It really was a phenomenal speech and a brutal smackdown, and he's still going.

Posted by: Qwinn at September 24, 2013 08:56 PM (4KUKv)

332 Seriously wish someone was liveblogging it, it's that good.

Posted by: Qwinn at September 24, 2013 08:58 PM (4KUKv)

333 The Republicans should draft a new law requiring that Obamacare, when and if eventually implemented, MUST be implemented in its original unexempted form. Any and all carveouts or modifications for special interest groups, ie., Congress, government employees, unions, certain types of business, specific companies, etc. will be voided. The only way to modify the original legislation should be through the legislative process itself wherein the modifying legislation passes both houses of Congress and is signed into law by the President.

Posted by: Hangtown Bob at September 25, 2013 06:16 AM (4QldK)

334 How about before the CR, we pass a law that All Federal Employees are subject to the same laws, equally enforced, as the citizens to which they apply, with the exception of Congress, where fines and penalties are double.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at September 25, 2013 06:19 AM (gdGJ1)

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