March 28, 2013

Cults and Factions in Modern America
— Ace

At the other site, Jerome Hudson wrote of modern day liberals -- actually, Marxists, whether they understand this or not -- betraying the basic American tenet of equality.

We have fallen so far out of alignment with our founding ideals, that every man is created equal in the eyes of God. Touré's venomous message echoes what our colleges and grade schools teach, what our media communicates, what so many movies dramatize, and what The Civil Rights establishment promotes: that America is still as racist as ever and if you're white, the only acceptable response is for you to nod your head and agree, and if you're black, you better not ever think for yourself.

This suggested to me a contrast between the values of the Enlightenment which gave birth to America, and the values of Marxism, which gave birth to the mass grave called the Soviet Union.

And that recalled Geroge Washington's many warnings about "faction" in politics. Faction was anathema to a free and democratic society, Washington argued; but faction is the central animating principle in Marxism.

Here are some of George Washington's warnings:

Liberty Â… is, indeed, little else than a name, where the government is too feeble to withstand the enterprises of faction Â… and to maintain all in the secure and tranquil enjoyments of the rights of person and property.Â’

...

‘The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissension … is itself a frightful despotism … the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another … ‘

Hence the current disagreement with the Neo-Marxists. Dividing people endlessly by faction is not just sloppy or lazy thinking; it's their primary tactic. It's their cult.

Posted by: Ace at 03:31 PM | Comments (246)
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1 Awwww hell.  Factions?   I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 28, 2013 03:32 PM (p8Mda)

2 Yep.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 28, 2013 03:33 PM (bxiXv)

3 Hudson makes the mistake of taking Toure seriously. Instead, he should be mocked every time he shows his face in public.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 03:35 PM (EfSjM)

4 Feature not bug of what we are calling here Marxists. I would prefer the term pan-Leninist, which is what these assholes are. Most republican leaders in congress are marxists; the left are pan-Leninists.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 03:35 PM (+Ob7W)

5 Instead, he should be mocked every time he shows his face in public. Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 07:35 PM (EfSjM) Mocking a black guy? Racist and that's a drone strike.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 03:36 PM (GEICT)

6 that breitbart post was all effed up (it was eaten by the system at like 11:00 am today). I just re-added all the Washington quotes, which were the big part of it.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2013 03:37 PM (LCRYB)

7 The "far left" is kind of a tribal affectation anyway - that's a very incomplete comparison, but I notice all kinds of similarities. The way I sometimes describe it is that Marx made the stunningly obvious observation that civilization develops and changes, but somehow decided that an atavistic throwback to tribalism was the final step.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 28, 2013 03:37 PM (bxiXv)

8 I appreciate you calling a spade a spade, Ace.


Neo-Marxist fits them perfectly. They don't have a liberal bone in their bodies. Take back the language.

Posted by: fluffy at March 28, 2013 03:38 PM (z9HTb)

9 that breitbart post was all effed up (it was eaten by the system at like 11:00 am today). I just re-added all the Washington quotes, which were the big part of it. Posted by: ace at March 28, 2013 07:37 PM (LCRYB) Pixy runs Breitbart's site too?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 03:38 PM (GEICT)

10 Breitbart had a few posts that were effed up today.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 03:38 PM (+Ob7W)

11 Most republican leaders in congress are marxists; the left are pan-Leninists.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 07:35 PM (+Ob7W)

I disagree.

Our leaders in the Republican party are craven, power-hungry whores without any animating political philosophy.

At least the Democrats have something they believe in and follow.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2013 03:38 PM (3Mkrp)

12

Keep looking.  Soon you will find the atheism.  Then you have questions to answer. 

 

Why so atheist?  Why only atheist? 

 

If atheist you get to embrace nothing and chaos.  And as Mr. Ace has accurately pointed out you are for the mass grave that produced the Soviet Union.

 

I pray for atheists during Holy Week.   

Posted by: DM at March 28, 2013 03:38 PM (LaKlJ)

13 Don't bring ME into this

Posted by: Geroge Washington at March 28, 2013 03:39 PM (azmhu)

14 what's the Latin opposite for E Pluribus Unum?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 28, 2013 03:39 PM (Fely/)

15 Marx foresaw a bottom-up organic remaking of the government. Lenin believed a cadre of thugs could topple everything and "lead" the masses to "equality." These are Leninists, not Marxists.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 03:40 PM (+Ob7W)

16 Mocking a black guy? Racist and that's a drone strike. Actually, NOT mocking his sloppy thinking and hypocrisy would be racist. It would have the effect of saying, "C'mon, Toure is black, you can't expect anything better from him." And that....WOULD be racist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 03:40 PM (EfSjM)

17 The faction of the Left has decided that they no longer need to convince the Right that the leftist view is the correct view.   They believe they can co-opt both facts and emotion to support their view and  then  impose it on  everybody else  by fiat.  Discourse is dead.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 28, 2013 03:40 PM (p8Mda)

18 So there I was, In The Shit. Not like you nativists crouched behind a keyboard. But actually in a outhouse shit hole, just biding my time before I struck at the heart of the Bosnian Muslim brigades.

It smelled familiar. Too familiar. You nativists wouldn't know that smell being that you hate Mexico and her gifts to the world.

Posted by: Hector Intl Man of Action [/i] [/b] at March 28, 2013 03:40 PM (UCv7P)

19 Toure(tte) is only hating what he's instructed to hate. Why listen to the douchebag?

Posted by: model_1066 at March 28, 2013 03:41 PM (7xPCu)

20 18 So there I was, In The Shit. Not like you nativists crouched behind a keyboard. But actually in a outhouse shit hole, just biding my time before I struck at the heart of the Bosnian Muslim brigades.

It smelled familiar. Too familiar. You nativists wouldn't know that smell being that you hate Mexico and her gifts to the world.

Posted by: Hector Intl Man of Action at March 28, 2013 07:40 PM (UCv7P)


This calls for an Antarctica Now! link/extended reference.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at March 28, 2013 03:41 PM (aozUR)

21 It would have the effect of saying, "C'mon, Toure is black, you can't expect anything better from him." And that....WOULD be racist. Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 07:40 PM (EfSjM) Not according to the last 49 years of history.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 03:42 PM (GEICT)

22

Toure and his ilk are actually doing us a favor.  Even the sheeple are growing tired of the constant screeches of "Racism!".    Among  most young people today  the racism  accusation is usually met with mockery. 

 

The race hustlers have overplayed their hand and the gays have now  replaced the blacks as the libs' favorite  pet victims.

Posted by: Icedog at March 28, 2013 03:44 PM (ZolUS)

23 Political parties that exist only to create a gang that watches its own back while it claws for power; that's a faction that is killing America right now.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 28, 2013 03:44 PM (+paCV)

24 These are Leninists, not Marxists.


"That's not crimson, it's brick"


Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

Posted by: fluffy at March 28, 2013 03:44 PM (z9HTb)

25 It smelled familiar. Too familiar. You nativists wouldn't know that smell being that you hate Mexico and her gifts to the world. Posted by: Hector Intl Man of Action at March 28, 2013 07:40 PM (UCv7P) Somehow, I doubt Mexicans invented raw sewage. And that's not really a gift to the world, no matter how much cilantro you put on it.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 28, 2013 03:45 PM (7xPCu)

26 These are Leninists, not Marxists. Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 07:40 PM (+Ob7W) We have these problems because not only do they lie about their intentions, they label themselves inaccurately as well. Discourse is dead. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 28, 2013 07:40 PM (p8Mda) That is their goal, yes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 28, 2013 03:46 PM (bxiXv)

27 That Washington stuff is great.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 28, 2013 03:46 PM (Iyg03)

28

I thought Madison was the one who was really, really, really pushing the idea that Factions Aren't Cool, You Guys.

 

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2013 03:47 PM (wsGWu)

29 "The extreme Marxian politicians in England exhibit themselves as a small, heroic minority, trying vainly to induce the world to do what, according to their theory, the world always does." - G.K.Chesterton

Posted by: Strife at March 28, 2013 03:48 PM (ntNJz)

30 It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another … ‘



wow, I had not known Washington said that.

but amen.

 it's evil and has caused so much  conflict , besides also causing disruption in the cohesiveness of our society.


Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 03:49 PM (nqBYe)

31 strife, ha-ha, I'll remember that one.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2013 03:49 PM (LCRYB)

32 The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissension Â… is itself a frightful despotism Â… the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it


 i mean how awesome is that

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 03:50 PM (nqBYe)

33 I thought Madison was the one who was really, really, really pushing the idea that Factions Aren't Cool, You Guys.

Well, sure, someone from the Madisonian faction would push that line.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 28, 2013 03:50 PM (xKC/c)

34 Not according to the last 49 years of history. I got off the Metro the other day, was walking out and I heard one of those "Whitey be keepin' me dowwwnnnnn" conversations. Sounded just like Toure. I chuckle to myself and I keep walking, and one of these mouth-breathers calls after me, "What's so funny, white boy!". I turn around to see who this person, who is clearly mentally ill, was talking to, and lo' and behold, it's me.... So I say, "I wouldn't do that if I were you. This is a "shall issue" concealed carry state. You never really know who you're talking to around here. Have a nice day." Silence. Yeah, but I'm the racist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 03:50 PM (EfSjM)

35 Somehow, I doubt Mexicans invented raw sewage. And that's not really a gift to the world, no matter how much cilantro you put on it.

Posted by: model_1066

Don't be shy, go ahead and explain the rest of the joke.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 28, 2013 03:50 PM (UCv7P)

36

"And that's not really a gift to the world, no matter how much cilantro you put on it."

 

Everyone  knows Tabasco is  the key to flavoring shit.  Ask any GI.

Posted by: Icedog at March 28, 2013 03:50 PM (3qKP/)

37 No, tribalism is just what people default back to when everything better has been destroyed (by Marxism.)

We do it some, it becomes a necessity when the civilization erodes and commonality becomes untenable.

I somewhat doubt Marx thought that would happen, I think he thought we'd be in some kumbaya uniform egalitarian paradise before then.

Marx failed to realize that most economically egalitarian societies are small tribes.

OOPS

Posted by: RiverC at March 28, 2013 03:50 PM (KTytI)

38 Unions are a cult

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 03:50 PM (jE38p)

39 I thought Madison was the one who was really, really, really pushing the idea that Factions Aren't Cool, You Guys. He was. Federalist 54 IIRC

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 03:51 PM (EfSjM)

40

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 07:50 PM (EfSjM)

 

I'm betting home skillet  has never watched  "Death Wish".  Is that racist?

Posted by: Icedog at March 28, 2013 03:52 PM (3qKP/)

41

The idea of equality failed when the Supremes decided it was OK to give one group an advantage, because other people of that group had been disadvantaged.

 

As soon as it went from individual to Group.... we were in trouble...

 

But then it became OK to write laws that enshrined that ideal.... which is why the ONLY unprotected group today, is White Heterosexual Non Handicaped Males.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2013 03:52 PM (lZBBB)

42 "Men do not differ much about what things they will call evils; they differ enormously about what evils they will call excusable." - G.K.Chesterton

Posted by: Strife at March 28, 2013 03:52 PM (ntNJz)

43 this almost makes me want to  go buy a history book! forgotten so much , (if id' even had that available to me as a youngster)


i swear i do not think that was told to me or in books as a lass.

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 03:53 PM (nqBYe)

44 icedog, sean bannion, let's calm down here, okay?

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2013 03:54 PM (LCRYB)

45 Ok ace

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 03:55 PM (EfSjM)

46 The death cult flourishes in DC, the true blue states, and any large metro area outside of TX, with the exception of Austin. We 47% don't tread on me cult have them surrounded. Cheer up, we've already taken down Puffy Face with mere words.

Posted by: angel with a sword at March 28, 2013 03:55 PM (dv3fi)

47 I hate Toure for using a French accent mark. Ague? Whatever, tar and feathers.

Posted by: Beagle at March 28, 2013 03:55 PM (sOtz/)

48 47 I hate Toure for using a French accent mark. Ague? Whatever, tar and feathers. Posted by: Beagle at March 28, 2013 07:55 PM (sOtz/) Did he get his doctorate in Stupidology from Harvard or Yale?

Posted by: model_1066 at March 28, 2013 03:56 PM (7xPCu)

49 Neblett. His name is Neblett.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 03:57 PM (I2LwF)

50 So "faction" = class strife. "Class struggle", if you're on the side of this or that class. Interesting.

I am leery of the Enlightenment myself these days - and I am decidedly against what preceded it, the Reformation. I can even say this as an agnostic - at the core of the Reformation is the notion that there are people who know more than you do, about stuff they actually do not and can not (namely, theology). The Reformation in short was a gnostic rebellion.

The Enlightenment had the virtue that on some matters, it proposed to allow others to call the gnostics on their bullshit. Unfortunately, too often, it just added university credentials to gnostics like Rousseau and his demon spawn of the 1790s.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 28, 2013 03:57 PM (QTHTd)

51 I dealt with factions rather effectively.

Posted by: Augustus Caesar at March 28, 2013 03:59 PM (A71EA)

52 Did he get his doctorate in Stupidology from Harvard or Yale? He went to Milton Academy for high school. My uncle was the chief electrician at Milton Academy for 20 years. I asked him sometime last year if he remembers him since it's a pretty small place. He did. He was unimpressed.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 03:59 PM (EfSjM)

53 7 Mero,

it is a neo-malthusian death cult.....

perversely my tribe far easier to join is gonna be at best 47-49% forver...

Love Locke, hate Marx

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:00 PM (LRFds)

54 The Enlightenment was not about secret knowledge, boulder toilet hobo. Gnosticism is about secret knowledge. Widely-shared knowledge is not gnosticism.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2013 04:00 PM (LCRYB)

55 Sorry Ace...just so frustrated.   Maybe I'll try alcoholism....

Posted by: Icedog at March 28, 2013 04:00 PM (ZM9OS)

56 Toure is like 38 years old too. Too old to be an ignorant child. He is lazy and uppity though.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:00 PM (I2LwF)

57 at the core of the Reformation is the notion that there are people who know more than you do, about stuff they actually do not and can not (namely, theology). The Reformation in short was a gnostic rebellion.


By doing away with layers of hierarchy and printing the Bible in the vulgar, rather than academic, language?


There is something you aren't explaining very well.

Posted by: fluffy at March 28, 2013 04:01 PM (z9HTb)

58 I used to be a gnostic but then I became a halflingist

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:01 PM (I2LwF)

59 44 icedog, sean bannion, let's calm down here, okay? Posted by: ace at March 28, 2013 07:54 PM (LCRYB) Don't have to do it on my account. I know that sort of shit happens, usually with said "white boy" minus something to defend himself.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:02 PM (Su0W2)

60 So I say, "I wouldn't do that if I were you. This is a "shall issue" concealed carry state. You never really know who you're talking to around here. Have a nice day." Silence. Yeah, but I'm the racist. Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 07:50 PM (EfSjM) 1) Awesome. 2) The silence was because he was probably trying to figure out what "shall issue" means. 3) Ummm...why did you just get smacked by Ace??

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 04:02 PM (GEICT)

61 Speaking of Early American quotations - The Grigsby tombstone pretty much says it all. Through this inscription I wish to enter my dying protest against what is called the Democratic Party. I have watched it closely since the days of Jackson and know that all the misfortunes of our nation has come to it through this so-called party, therefore beware of this party of treason. ----ooo---- Put on in fulfillment of promise to Deceased.

Posted by: Whatev at March 28, 2013 04:02 PM (A7Wh1)

62 He went to Milton Academy for high school.


Dude!

Posted by: Deval Patrick at March 28, 2013 04:03 PM (z9HTb)

63 The factions are bad idea is mostly correct. But guess what kids? We have moved beyond avoiding factions today. Look around you. We all see the media, the Dems, academia, the SCOD and his appologists. What do you have in common with these a-holes? All I can see is the country of our birth. That's it. Factions? Sorry Ace, this ain't gonna end well.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 04:03 PM (tlhtD)

64 ''Do you know your Milton, Captain Kirk' there is nothing as coherent as faction, from the 9/11 denying hip hop activist.

Posted by: archie goodwin at March 28, 2013 04:03 PM (Jsiw/)

65 Aigu. That spelling does not even look French in my defense, correct though. At least no umlaut. That would be racist.

Posted by: Beagle at March 28, 2013 04:03 PM (sOtz/)

66 49 Neblett. His name is Neblett. Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 07:57 PM (I2LwF) You *know* his lisping ass got a beatdown every day back in school.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:03 PM (Su0W2)

67 Not sure whether I'm jealous of the Bannion-Cochran bromance, or creeped out

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:03 PM (I2LwF)

68 3) Ummm...why did you just get smacked by Ace?? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 08:02 PM (GEICT) Yeah, I'm unclear on that, too.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:05 PM (Su0W2)

69 67 Not sure whether I'm jealous of the Bannion-Cochran bromance, or creeped out Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 08:03 PM (I2LwF) Bromance? I'm pretty sure using that word results in man card revocation, or at least suspension.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 04:05 PM (GEICT)

70 Must have been a comment that got deleted. I didn't see anything out of bounds. Bannion's almost mugging story was a little uncomfortable, but so are these underpants.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:06 PM (I2LwF)

71 "Fuck y'all muthafuckas, and suck my big black dick." -- George Washington December 24, 177wheneverthefuck

Posted by: soothsayer at March 28, 2013 04:06 PM (LL42r)

72 Discourse is dead. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 28, 2013 07:40 PM (p8Mda) That bears repeating. If you don't believe it, engage a committed lefty in a conversation about the rational basis for belief in AGW.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 28, 2013 04:06 PM (JQuNB)

73 There's a ghastly political irony embedded in this mess, but I'm having trouble      grasping it.  Never mind. 

Posted by: Sharron Buck Akin O'Mourdock at March 28, 2013 04:06 PM (pmsMR)

74 69 67 Not sure whether I'm jealous of the Bannion-Cochran bromance, or creeped out Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 08:03 PM (I2LwF) He's the little brother I never had.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 04:07 PM (EfSjM)

75 67 Not sure whether I'm jealous of the Bannion-Cochran bromance, or creeped out

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 08:03 PM (I2LwF)

 

Seriously you guys, it makes me  tingle "down there."

Posted by: Ammo Dump at March 28, 2013 04:07 PM (YYyqq)

76 The democrats circumvented Republicanism by simply building a coalition of factions reinforced by a friendly judiciary.

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2013 04:07 PM (wsGWu)

77

no special treatment on your account baldi, that's ace typical warning.

it's not these Solid Moron status guys that are the problem, it's the lurkers and drivebys that feel empowered to take it TO THE NEXT LEVEL whenever someone starts talking about racism in the black community.


Posted by: imp at March 28, 2013 04:08 PM (oGrkY)

78

"Not sure whether I'm jealous of the Bannion-Cochran bromance, or creeped out"

 

There's no stronger bonding experience  than experiencing combat together....or sharing a sleeping bag. 

Posted by: Icedog at March 28, 2013 04:08 PM (3qKP/)

79 Not only do I not have a man card, if I had one, it would be in my wife's purse.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:08 PM (I2LwF)

80

A house divided against itself cannot stand. That's in the Bible  somewhere.

 

IMO,   the nature of the division isn't really important.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 28, 2013 04:08 PM (+z4pE)

81 70 Must have been a comment that got deleted. I didn't see anything out of bounds. You didn't. ace did. Don't really know why. Don't care. Not my house. No deleted comments though.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 04:08 PM (EfSjM)

82 See, I told you knock off all y'all's grab-ass games.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 28, 2013 04:09 PM (vyPsz)

83

underpants. Posted by: Truman North


Only pussies wear underwear

Posted by: Jon Hamm at March 28, 2013 04:09 PM (oGrkY)

84 79 Not only do I not have a man card, if I had one, it would be in my wife's purse. Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 08:08 PM (I2LwF) lmfao. So noted. Carry on.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 04:09 PM (GEICT)

85 I'm good with calling the racist factionist dweeb forever more by that name he doesn't want to be called: 

Neblett.

Posted by: filbert at March 28, 2013 04:09 PM (NaNKB)

86 Aargh--the underline was supposed to be a strikethrough!

Where's the barrel?

Posted by: filbert at March 28, 2013 04:10 PM (NaNKB)

87 Then again, I have conclusively shown that I have no idea where "the line" is

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:10 PM (I2LwF)

88 The Grigsby tombstone pretty much says it all.


Captures my evaluation of the Democratic party.   Written in 1890 after the end of the Civil War.   In the years since, FDR, JFK, Carter, Clinton, and Obama have done little to disprove his thoughts.  

Oh, and I love how the Snopes article on the inscription tries to "explain" it as a personal vendetta against those "he thought" had killed family and friends.    Clearly he was too blinded by emotion to fairly judge the Democratic party.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 28, 2013 04:10 PM (sGtp+)

89 it's not these Solid Moron status guys that are the problem, it's the lurkers and drivebys that feel empowered to take it TO THE NEXT LEVEL whenever someone starts talking about racism in the black community. Posted by: imp at March 28, 2013 08:08 PM (oGrkY) The time for caring about the opinions of such people has long passed. I'm wondering when conservatives will figure that out.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:10 PM (Su0W2)

90 84 79 Not only do I not have a man card, if I had one, it would be in my wife's purse.

 

 


Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 08:08 PM (I2LwF)  




lmfao.


So noted. Carry on.    

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 08:09 PM (GEICT)

 

Yeah.. made sure mine was returned in the Divorce decree 21 years ago.... LOL...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2013 04:11 PM (lZBBB)

91 Sorry to go off-topic, but I just watched the Nova episode about the Chelyabinsk meteor that rdbrewer mentioned in the sidebar. It is excellent. Here's a direct link to the video on PBS: http://video.pbs.org/video/2358778286 smodsmodsmodsmodsmod

Posted by: rickl at March 28, 2013 04:11 PM (sdi6R)

92 There's no stronger bonding experience than experiencing combat together....or sharing a sleeping bag. This. If you REALLY want to be creeped out, spend 72 non stop hours on a tank with 3 other dudes. To quote Dr. Evil.... "Things got a little weird there didn't they?"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 04:11 PM (EfSjM)

93

Where's the barrel?

 

I don't know.  You're a little eager to get in that barrel... a little too eager.

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2013 04:11 PM (OvAuJ)

94 Not only do I not have a man card, if I had one, it would be in my wife's purse. Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 08:08 PM (I2LwF) --- You don't need one. There's plenty of work around here to keep you busy. Do you care if it ever gets done? How long do I have to wait.... blah blah. f'in blah.

Posted by: Projecting my ex on Trumans wife at March 28, 2013 04:12 PM (A7Wh1)

95 Toure is French for "dickwhistler".

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 28, 2013 04:13 PM (aoyiI)

96

baldi, I've been nailed by Mjolnir for less, but if it's not kept tight, the Stormfront fags (no insult intended to sodomites) will overrun and ruin the place.

It's amazing how fast they flock here on the slightest provocation.

Then again, sometimes ace posts stuff that leads to such commenting in a good-natured way and then he gets all in a huff  ***coughhipsterslapfightcough**


Posted by: imp at March 28, 2013 04:13 PM (oGrkY)

97 >>Where's the barrel?

I don't know. You're a little eager to get in that barrel... a little too eager.

Posted by: garrett

It's like friggin' Cooperstown up in here.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 28, 2013 04:14 PM (UCv7P)

98 Jim Jones was an ardent communist who cloaked himself in Christianity.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 28, 2013 04:14 PM (BVkEs)

99 holy shmokes, anyone watching WIFE SWAP? what a disgusting tv show the swap is between a Tea Party Christian (who happens to be a lousy spokesperson for both) and a freaky woman who is married but also shares a girlfriend with her husband. ABC, in the intros, managed to make the normal Christian wife to be a crazy bitch amd the freak wife to be nothing but a free spirit full of love for everyone. This is why we are losing. The Left is killing us in the marketing/branding.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 28, 2013 04:15 PM (C0ttM)

100 This is why the "Revolution" will be bitter and cruel.


I'm good with that.

Posted by: Paladin at March 28, 2013 04:15 PM (h9mmN)

101

I have a musical-type friend down here. She does a Tina  Turner impersonation. Our inside joke is that racism  is funny to those of us who aren't.

 

I also  read a review on the old TV show Memphis Beat last year where the author, a denizen of the Left  Coast, expressed great amazement at the lack of "racist dialogue" in a show set in the   Deep  South. I commented (as a denizen of the Deep  South all my life) that that was  the norm down here  and has been for a   long time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 28, 2013 04:15 PM (+z4pE)

102 I don't know. You're a little eager to get in that barrel... a little too eager. 

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2013 08:11 PM (OvAuJ)


He's not here for the comments, is he ...

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 28, 2013 04:15 PM (v3pYe)

103

We're rapidly losing the time window for a peaceful separation.  It's going to get kinda shitty for a while.

Posted by: imp at March 28, 2013 04:16 PM (oGrkY)

104 Here we all are. We really fucking care about these wars. And we are... Posting in the comments section It's time to stand up and proclaim you will be a leader on issues such as these. Just did a study on party ID per year here in Bristol County over the last ten years. We've got 2% more of the registered voter population registered Republican now than we did then- 10.2% to 12.1% Democrat registration has stayed constant between 33 and 34. Not sure what it means yet. But a 20% increase in Republicans is probably not a statistical anomaly. May speak to factionization.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:16 PM (I2LwF)

105 Re: Barrel:

I was just going to denounce myself, but something . . . more . . . seemed needed.

Posted by: filbert at March 28, 2013 04:17 PM (NaNKB)

106
I wish I could write like Geo. Washington.  Damn.

Anyway, sometimes its important to point out these dumbass leftist statements like toure, just so they don't go totally unchallenged even if few people watch them.

For posterity.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 28, 2013 04:17 PM (IY7Ir)

107 74 Sean Bannion,

I can be the doormat or bothersome Raccoon you never had Sean...

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:17 PM (LRFds)

108 "Things got a little weird there didn't they?"

 

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 08:11 PM (EfSjM)

 

 

Practice boarding op in the Pacific off the coast of Mexico... 10 guys on a Motor Whale boat... coming back from boarding another ship in a light storm...

 

Our Destroyer suddenly kicks up a rooster tail, and takes off at 30+ knots.... away from us.... and thats when we realized the Radio had not been sealed right... and batterys were dead...

 

4 hours later, we see the destroyer coming back... to pick us up... turns out a guy had fallen and had a bleeding compound leg fracture, and they needed to get closer to land to use the Helo to get him off...

 

But that was a very weird 4 hours... most of which was spent arguing about who was Gilligan.... and who the Skipper ... ( it was acknowledged by all that I was the Professor....)...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2013 04:18 PM (lZBBB)

109 That vid is way cool.  They should make one about George Washinton instead of Dick (three ball) Cheney.

Posted by: t-dubya- d at March 28, 2013 04:18 PM (DaxAl)

110 This is why the "Revolution" will be bitter and cruel. ---- Thats what I was assuming. It might be a quick one though. In the past it always ended in anarchy then dictatorship but I don't think that would happen in the US because at the local level most of the country is conservative. The few hotspots with dems might get a little rough, but they pretty much look like Baghdad circa 1993 anyway.

Posted by: Whatev at March 28, 2013 04:18 PM (A7Wh1)

111 106 Guy Mohawk,

Guy you ever want to be sorely depressed read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers and then study the Congressional record for the first ten years of our Republic...

those men were likely more eloquent in their exhortations during a bowel movement than Bawney Fwank was with a month to prepare a thought....

truly sad.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:20 PM (LRFds)

112 Posted by: imp at March 28, 2013 08:13 PM (oGrkY) What's mjolnir?

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:20 PM (Su0W2)

113 Slightly related, I'm walking out of work today, at a major federal government facility, and two women behind me have this conversation: Female federal employee 1: well, I think they're wrong, I don't see any reason to break up with him because he's a conservative FFE 2: blahblahblah FFE 1: besides, he's interesting! And he's cute! All I could do was roll my eyes. I mean, I know we're a rare breed around these parts, but we don't have leprosy for fucks sake.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at March 28, 2013 04:20 PM (jIaZt)

114 What's mjolnir?

 

 

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 08:20 PM (Su0W2)

 

 

Thor's hammer...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2013 04:21 PM (lZBBB)

115 What's mjolnir?

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 08:20 PM (Su0W2)


The hammer with which Paul Anka...erm... Thor slices.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at March 28, 2013 04:21 PM (aozUR)

116 My blood boils when I reflect upon what we are becoming, and the temperature elevates to survey what we are losing.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 28, 2013 04:21 PM (dSE0q)

117

What's mjolnir?

 

I think it's the nickname of the Banhammer of Loving Kindness.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 28, 2013 04:21 PM (+z4pE)

118 Then again, I have conclusively shown that I have no idea where "the line" is

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 08:10 PM (I2LwF)

 

I once got warned by Vic for recommending  -  with tongue firmly in cheek  -    a "National Smack a Lib  Day", in which one day a year  every conservative could slap one  chosen liberal with no legal repercussions.   

 

Several morons loved the idea...and it was one of the most innocent comments in the thread (IMO), but drew  his ire  for some reason.

Posted by: Icedog at March 28, 2013 04:22 PM (ZolUS)

119 Tourke?  No. Tourkee!

Posted by: t-dubya- d at March 28, 2013 04:22 PM (DaxAl)

120 Several morons loved the idea...and it was one of the most innocent comments in the thread (IMO), but drew his ire for some reason. Posted by: Icedog at March 28, 2013 08:22 PM (ZolUS) You must've been standing on his lawn.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 04:23 PM (GEICT)

121 Six foot 20, weighed a f*cking ton. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 28, 2013 04:23 PM (Iyg03)

122 Baldilocks,

the Norse named their weaponry....

Odin's spear was Gungnir....

I forget too often we do a poor job on our own mythology...

Here...

http://www.viking-mythology.com/

With this hammer thrice I knock, once for Wod, once for God, and once for Lok

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:23 PM (LRFds)

123

baldi, the Morons have been calling getting banned from commenting the Banhammer for a while and that migrated into it being called Mjolnir after the filthy iceback demonology myths.

Posted by: imp at March 28, 2013 04:25 PM (oGrkY)

124 Russia to fight move by Syrian opposition to take Syria's UN seat Published: 03.29.13, 01:32 / Israel News Russia vowed on Thursday to oppose an expected push by the Syrian opposition to take over Syria's seat at the United Nations and predicted that any Syrian National Coalition bid at the world body would fail. Russia's UN ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, made the comment to reporters after Moscow criticized the Arab League for giving Syria's seat to the opposition at a league summit. "We'll oppose it very strongly," Churkin said in response to a question about a likely Syrian opposition move in New York to follow its success in gaining Arab League recognition. (Reuters) Kinda weird that I find myself siding with Russia a lot lately?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 04:25 PM (jE38p)

125 Went to an Angola Indiana parade a couple years ago, and the GOP float was a series of large floats in a row (a flotilla?) And the democrat float (singular) was a guys personal car with a cardboard sign on it. Just saying, the revolution probably wont hit Angola.

Posted by: Whatev at March 28, 2013 04:25 PM (A7Wh1)

126 Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at March 28, 2013 08:20 PM (jIaZt)   No leprosy but I do have an odd rash that won't go away.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 04:25 PM (tlhtD)

127 All I could do was roll my eyes. I mean, I know we're a rare breed around these parts, but we don't have leprosy for fucks sake. Au contraire, mon frere The only upside of the sequester for me is watching my libtard co-workers blame Obama and Reid.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 04:25 PM (EfSjM)

128 123 Imp,

better an iceback than a grape sucking buggerer....

No Snowbilly ever called me bitter clinger comrade!

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:25 PM (LRFds)

129 Here's the thing: all this racial stuff is going to move toward large-scale violence and it will be black people, regardless of ideology, who will suffer the most. And that was the intent, when the Organized Left infiltrated the black population (well before the CRA). Being silent about the truth won't make it go away. And, yes, I guess I should take the mote out of my own eye on this subject.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:27 PM (Su0W2)

130 Ahh, that Washington video is classic.  Look up the JFK one on youtube, if you haven't seen it before.

Posted by: Petrus at March 28, 2013 04:27 PM (JoMVt)

131

ha, sven, you're talking to a smelly old mountain goat. 

those Mediterraneans are even more suspect than the filthy Scandis.
 

Posted by: imp at March 28, 2013 04:29 PM (oGrkY)

132 I've put together a spreadsheet with political donations per town to state-level and lower candidates over the last ten years and the last year. Now I have to sort out how much went to republicans, democrats, others, PACs and ballot questions. I also have to do it with federal offices, but that's a little harder to do because the FEC website isn't as useful as the Mass website. Luckily I'm not the only conservative person doing such analysis. But it will still be a ways before I can figure out how much more democrats are getting here. The other interesting thing is to find individual donors who used to give more to democrats, but n

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:29 PM (I2LwF)

133 No leprosy but I do have an odd rash that won't go away.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 08:25 PM (tlhtD)

 

It's a tumor.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at March 28, 2013 04:29 PM (YYyqq)

134 The only upside of the sequester for me is watching my libtard co-workers blame Obama and Reid. Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 08:25 PM (EfSjM) I'm somewhat impressed they made the connection. I would've figured they'd blame Republicans and Booooosh.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2013 04:29 PM (GEICT)

135 NEW YORK -- Alex Rodriguez will make more this year than all the Houston Astros combined -- a lot more. And he won't even play the first half of the season -- if at all. A-Rod's $29 million salary tops the major leagues for the 13th consecutive season, according to a study of major league contracts by The Associated Press. With teams due to set Opening Day rosters Sunday, the Yankees' payroll will be nearly 10 times the spending of the Astros, who have shrunk their payroll to about $25 million. Yeah that A-Rod contract was a winner?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 04:29 PM (jE38p)

136 Now give more to republicans. There's about 5% of kid to large donors in that category, but only a handful going the other way.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:29 PM (I2LwF)

137 Being silent about the truth won't make it go away. And, yes, I guess I should take the mote out of my own eye on this subject. TBH, I don't see where you have a problem.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 04:29 PM (EfSjM)

138 I guess I need to brush up on my Norse mythology!

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:29 PM (Su0W2)

139 133 It's not a tumor! It's a beauty mark.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 04:30 PM (tlhtD)

140 129 baldilocks,

Baldi we go back aways...I swear to you that things will have to be catastrophically bad before I ever draw on another based on race as a first recourse.

It would have to have gotten Angola bad or worse first.

There's one race, human and we all have the right to go as far as we can on our two legs and such.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:30 PM (LRFds)

141 I guess I need to brush up on my Norse mythology!

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 08:29 PM (Su0W2)


-------------



Stay away from the lutefisk.  It's the revenge of Thor.

Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 04:30 PM (P6QsQ)

142 Point is, there's movement in our direction even here in Mass. But for anything to crystalize, there have to be particles around which the crystals coalesce. We need leaders, and the GOP ain't providing any. We need to be the leaders.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:30 PM (I2LwF)

143

But that was a very weird 4 hours... most of which was spent arguing about who was Gilligan.... and who the Skipper ... ( it was acknowledged by all that I was the Professor....)...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2013 08:18 PM (lZBBB)

 

*******

 

I'm thinking in today's Navy the argument would be over who got to be Ginger and who got to be Maryann. 

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 28, 2013 04:31 PM (p8Mda)

144

Being silent about the truth won't make it go away. And, yes, I guess I should take the mote out of my own eye on this subject.

 

And it's right around here that I point out that  racism  was what  Little   Billy Ayers'   aimed to exploit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 28, 2013 04:31 PM (+z4pE)

145 I had trouble with fractions at the Milton Academy. They're racist

Posted by: Neblett! at March 28, 2013 04:31 PM (Yhu4q)

146 138 Baldilocks,

You ever have a question on the ice stories you give me a holler...

 I was versed enough in Mythology the baseball coach had me teach his class for him.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:31 PM (LRFds)

147 TBH, I don't see where you have a problem. Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 08:29 PM (EfSjM) I need to blog more. But when shithead go elected the first time, it seemed pointless.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:32 PM (Su0W2)

148 Is ace a cult of personality?

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 28, 2013 04:32 PM (BVkEs)

149 We need leaders, and the GOP ain't providing any. We need to be the leaders. So you're....you're Sergeant Hulka????

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 28, 2013 04:32 PM (EfSjM)

150 baldilocks, i hope it doesn't come to that it does take two sides to tango.

i hope we won't let  the left  choose for us in this dance they want.


Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 04:32 PM (nqBYe)

151 Well said, Ace (and George Washington)...amazing how there's really nothing new; these patterns keep repeating...

Posted by: CanaDave at March 28, 2013 04:33 PM (Z4WHc)

152

Marco Rubio promised to filibuster any new gun control laws.  Waiting to see what immigration holds, but unless he really fucks that up:

 

Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 28, 2013 04:33 PM (oloIE)

153 Baldilocks -

the only healing that I see coming is at the foot of the cross. 

Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 04:33 PM (P6QsQ)

154 147 Baldilocks,

You and I had a long chat on that.  I know going against the grain carries a great potential cost for too many in the community.  Follow your heart and bear in mind the feelings and passions of your circle.

You always have friends here in Happy Blinky Box land.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:34 PM (LRFds)

155 Got elected

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:34 PM (Su0W2)

156 148 Craig Poe,

Not unless you count proper veneration of the founders as a Personality Cult.

Ace is not free enough with who he really is to have a true personality cult IMHO.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:35 PM (LRFds)

157 And it's right around here that I point out that racism was what Little Billy Ayers' aimed to exploit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 28, 2013 08:31 PM (+z4pE)


wasn't charles manson also trying this, ?

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 04:35 PM (nqBYe)

158 Is ace a cult of personality? Posted by: Craig Poe at March 28, 2013 08:32 PM (BVkEs) I thought this was a group parole meeting?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 04:35 PM (jE38p)

159 the only healing that I see coming is at the foot of the cross. Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 08:33 PM (P6QsQ) Thanks for the reminder!

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:35 PM (Su0W2)

160 153 Mama Winger,

God loves, man kills.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:35 PM (LRFds)

161 Ace has a personality?

Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 04:35 PM (P6QsQ)

162 Posted by: Craig Poe at March 28, 2013 08:32 PM (BVkEs) I don't think Ace is but if you can listen to that song and not think of the SCOD, English is not your first language.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 04:35 PM (tlhtD)

163 i still think finding a Huge way around the media will be our hope.

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 04:37 PM (nqBYe)

164 162 weird flunky,

The left actually think we worshipped Bush with enough furor the song is about HIM....

I mean that is so funny on so many levels....

I could post for two days on my rage at Bush on policy in ways that maybe 5% of democrats I know could post about Obama.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:37 PM (LRFds)

165 161 Mama Winger,

(allegedly)

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:37 PM (LRFds)

166 I thought he was Ace, of Base.

Posted by: Whatev at March 28, 2013 04:37 PM (A7Wh1)

167 >>I thought this was a group parole meeting?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 08:35 PM (jE38p)

 

This isn't online AA?

OK so never mind that story about the gallon of Wild Turkey and that gaggle of sheep

Posted by: Albie Damned at March 28, 2013 04:38 PM (Yhu4q)

168 163 Willow,

I hope so, I have spent way too much emotional and mental effort at wargaming a peaceful way to get the media to stand down.....


if there is some "wow I never saw that elephant" way to get them to put the Cult down I welcome it.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:38 PM (LRFds)

169 I need to blog more. But when shithead go elected the first time, it seemed pointless. Amen!! We have a negligible number of people with brown skin around here, even in the inner cities. But those who do live here are more likely than average to be Republicans. More black folks around here from Africa and the Caribbean than multi- generational families. Looking at two potential state rep candidates for 2014 or 16 who happen to be black.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:39 PM (I2LwF)

170 I have to disagree with you, Ace. Washington didn't have to deal with factions because he was the leader during a time of extreme unity. War tends to do that. Within a few short years America quickly developed factions. Factions are the normal state of humanity. Because humans are tribal. It is inherent in the human condition. It cannot be eliminated from our nature. War of Independence Era seemed like a faction-less era because we were all united in one faction against the royalist faction. And as soon as we won the war our united faction split into multiple factions. The best we can do is recognize our tribal nature, try to limit the downside (cruelty to the Other, outsiders, etc) while keeping the upside (cooperation with our tribe). We won't get rid of tribes/factions any more than we can get rid of sexual jealousy and pair-bonding.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2013 04:39 PM (ZPrif)

171 72 Discourse is dead. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 28, 2013 07:40 PM (p8Mda) Instead of starting with a premise where you have disagreement find the base premise that you have agreement. I start with: "There are absolutes." If you get disagreement, stop right there. You are talking with a self-serving liar or a slobbering retard, both of which are well qualified to be in the embrace of the Marxist ideal.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 28, 2013 04:40 PM (dSE0q)

172 Instead of starting with a premise where you have disagreement find the base premise that you have agreement. I start with: "There are absolutes." If you get disagreement, stop right there. You are talking with a self-serving liar or a slobbering retard, both of which are well qualified to be in the embrace of the Marxist ideal. Brilliant.

Posted by: Truman North at March 28, 2013 04:41 PM (I2LwF)

173 I guess I need to brush up on my Norse mythology!

Posted by: baldilocks

Actually some of us know the name from the Thor comic book. No scholar I.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 28, 2013 04:42 PM (UCv7P)

174
Dividing people endlessly by faction is not just sloppy or lazy thinking; it's their primary tactic. It's their cult.





Please to enjoy our new Republican Party -- now with specific pandering -- uh -- outreach -- to  Women, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Youths, Gays and gay young hispanic women.

Posted by: Your RNC Growth and Opportunity Project - It Spells GOP!


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 28, 2013 04:42 PM (kdS6q)

175 171 Minuteman,

That is a good point.  Especially if you know the person you are dealing with has a college education.  it means they have been programmed to be ambiguous even on the possibility of genuine truth.

At that point relying on any compact with the person is likely folly.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:42 PM (LRFds)

176 sven,  I am actually perplexed that we don't have  wealthy  American interested parties  brain storming  on this. or are they?

or are they still getting enough from whats left  or what  will be brought by americans loss of unity,  freedom, self determination  productivity  etc?

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 04:43 PM (nqBYe)

177

wasn't charles manson also trying this, ?

 

That's possible. I haven't read any  of his  ravings, but I have read the Weather Underground's  Manifesto.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 28, 2013 04:43 PM (+z4pE)

178 well besides those we Know are benefiting  and lining their pockets while the thieving goes un announced. and of course for our greater good.

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 04:43 PM (nqBYe)

179 173 Weft-Cut Loop,

Heh....that'd be a lot like grasping all one knows on Arthurian Myth from Richard gerbil's "First Knight"

I love my heritage....


Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:44 PM (LRFds)

180 176 Willow,

Those on our side with money, having an innate understanding of what money is supposed to be and confer likely are uncomfortable with what we have to do to resecure the commons.

It was a worse problem in the Russian Republic in the wake of the dissolution.

I don't know what the answer is except "save as many as you can."

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:45 PM (LRFds)

181 You always have friends here in Happy Blinky Box land. Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 08:34 PM (LRFds) That's why I love y'all! The rude crudeness is just icing.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 04:46 PM (Su0W2)

182 It goes back a lot further than little Billy Ayres, BackwardsBoy. Check out "A Racial Program for the 20th Century" by Israel Cohen (communist) circa 1912. "While inflaming the negro minority against the whites, we will endeavour to instill in the whites a guilt complex for the exploitation of the negroes."

Posted by: teej at March 28, 2013 04:46 PM (3R0Zs)

183 What happened to "E Pluribus Unum"?

Posted by: navybrat at March 28, 2013 04:47 PM (SWuSg)

184 Backwards boy, this is wasn't what i'd read years ago but somehow similar train of information

wickipedia

Universal Order is the name of a  National Socialist "operational front" founded by James Mason. Growing out of heNational Socialists Liberation Front , Mason founded the order in the early 1980s following the advice of Charles Manson  leader of the mass-murder cult "The Family". Not only did Manson suggest the name, but he also designed the logo used by the group, a Swastika superimposed over the scales of justice.

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 04:47 PM (nqBYe)

185 Dividing people endlessly by faction is not just sloppy or lazy thinking; it's their primary tactic. It's their cult.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

Completely agree but I'm still waiting to hear a successful counter-strategy.  And, no, not from the GOP. Just from anyone.

The GOP won't be the source of it's own rectification, that much I understand.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 28, 2013 04:49 PM (UCv7P)

186 Not a beauty mark, a canker (sp)

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 28, 2013 04:49 PM (6IKyK)

187 Posted by: CanaDave at March 28, 2013 08:33 PM (Z4WHc) I think the Founders knew all too well that the natural condition of man is to be in chains, put there by his fellow men that have organized into a "faction". The amazing part (and there are many about the Founder's instincts) is that it has taken the US of A so long to degenerate into such vicious factions as we have today!

Posted by: Hrothgar of Heorot at March 28, 2013 04:50 PM (Cnqmv)

188

@177
wasn't charles manson also trying this, ?

That's possible. I haven't read any of his ravings, but I have read the Weather Underground's Manifesto.

--------------------------------

He was.  iirc, his somewhat convoluted plot was to convince people that the murders he committed were being done by a gang of blacks who were killing white people.  This was then supposed to trigger enough white outrage to start a race war by whites against blacks.

 

Posted by: junior at March 28, 2013 04:50 PM (UWFpX)

189 181 Baldilocks,

I think the HQ is a better model for the right to reach out to the left's tattered subgroups than the GOP mainbody because we can aid on a micro level.

The rhetoric and rage are so weaponized that I don't think top down has ANY chance the national healing will have to be bottom up.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:50 PM (LRFds)

190 188 Junior,

The left gets nervous when you point out that like Ayers, Charlie is one of theirs.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:51 PM (LRFds)

191 187 Hrothgar,

Take a hard look at how hard Hamilton had to argue for national unity w/Federalist 6....

none of this is new.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:52 PM (LRFds)

192 I start with: "There are absolutes." If you get disagreement, stop right there. You are talking with a self-serving liar or a slobbering retard, both of which are well qualified to be in the embrace of the Marxist ideal. Posted by: Minuteman at March 28, 2013 08:40 PM (dSE0q) The striking thing is how blind they are to their biases. I guess we all like to think we're well-informed, but so many lefties are such sheep and hold themselves out to be supreme intellectuals. Again, I think AGW is the perfect example. When I cite facts that demolish a belief in AGW, I hear "FAUX NEWS!" And the people who say it have absolutely no appreciation or awareness of the limitations of their knowledge. The truth is that facts don't matter. Discourse is indeed dead.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 28, 2013 04:52 PM (JQuNB)

193

Universal Order is the name of a National Socialist "operational front" founded by James Mason. Growing out of heNational Socialists Liberation Front , Mason founded the order in the early 1980s following the advice of Charles Manson
.

 


 

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 08:47 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

See!!!!  Masons!  and Templers! and Illuminati!  Oh my!!!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2013 04:53 PM (lZBBB)

194

Instead of starting with a premise where you have disagreement find the base premise that you have agreement.

I start with: "There are absolutes."

If you get disagreement, stop right there. You are talking with a self-serving liar or a slobbering retard, both of which are well qualified to be in the embrace of the Marxist ideal.  

 

T.H.I.S.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 28, 2013 04:53 PM (+z4pE)

195 Ace,

What I think is overlooked is that the phrase Enlightenment mixes together two contradictory modes of thought.

The Scottish/British Enlightenment held that man is fallible, therefore we should be be careful of giving too much power to any one group, including government.  This is the school of thought of Locke, Smith, the Founder, etc.

The French/Continental Enlightenment, or even Counter-Enlightenment, held that people are good, but that they get corrupted by society and that government exists to control all these private powers.  It is the thought of Rousseau, Napoleon and the guillotine.

Posted by: calbadger at March 28, 2013 04:54 PM (TaWQc)

196 Posted by: teej at March 28, 2013 08:46 PM (3R0Zs) One of the best things about the South teej is that bullshit didn't work here. One thing non-southerners don't realize about the Old South is we are almost totally integrated and have been since forever. I'm not talking about schools and water fountains but at work and even in our communities.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 04:54 PM (tlhtD)

197 I live by example. The left lives by the carnage they've caused and reassigning the blame.

Posted by: CAC at March 28, 2013 04:54 PM (acGbh)

198 197 CAC,

When they manage to destroy the economy structurally our generosity with the force to say "no" if need be will win a lot of decent hearts.


Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 04:57 PM (LRFds)

199 Posted by: calbadger at March 28, 2013 08:54 PM (TaWQc)

This, exactly.

The Scottish Enlightenment resulted in the American Republic, and the greatest expansion of human well-being in the history of the world.

The French/European Enlightenment resulted in the Soviet Union, gulags, and chronic shortages of everything, including hope.

Posted by: filbert at March 28, 2013 04:57 PM (NaNKB)

200

Universal Order is the name of a National Socialist "operational front" founded by James Mason. Growing out of heNational Socialists Liberation Front , Mason founded the order in the early 1980s following the advice of Charles Manson
leader of the mass-murder cult "The Family". Not only did Manson
suggest the name, but he also designed the logo used by the group, a Swastika superimposed over the scales of justice.

 

That's interesting, willow. I did  not know that Manson had  a political angle to his madness. I just had him pegged as a lunatic, and a murderous one at that.

 

I still wonder why he's kept alive at taxpayer expense.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 28, 2013 04:57 PM (+z4pE)

201 The Scottish Enlightenment resulted in the American Republic, and the greatest expansion of human well-being in the history of the world.

-------------



God bless the Presbyterians.

Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 04:58 PM (P6QsQ)

202 See!!!! Masons! and Templers! and Illuminati! Oh my!!!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2013 08:53 PM (lZBBB)

heh, my father was a mason.



Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 04:59 PM (nqBYe)

203

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 08:57 PM (LRFds  Prolly be to late then Sven.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 04:59 PM (tlhtD)

204

190

Sven, I wouldn't say that about Ayers.  They embrace him now that Obama's in office.  Apparently the only Weathermen who engaged in "terrorist terrorism" were the ones who blew themselves up by accident.  Ayers and Dorne, on the other hand, are respectable and have been that way for a while now.

 

And for all we know Manson might very well be in the same state of things right now if he hadn't killed Sharon Tate.  And had slightly better publicists.  And not had the misfortune to have Vince Bugliosi (who likes to publish books about the cases that he's involved in) as a prosecutor for his trial.

 

Posted by: junior at March 28, 2013 04:59 PM (UWFpX)

205 God bless the Presbyterians.

Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 08:58 PM (P6QsQ



Thank you.  Have some potato salad.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 28, 2013 05:00 PM (lVPtV)

206 Instead of starting with a premise where you have disagreement find the base premise that you have agreement.

I start with: "There are absolutes."

If you get disagreement, stop right there. You are talking with a self-serving liar or a slobbering retard, both of which are well qualified to be in the embrace of the Marxist ideal.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 28, 2013 08:40 PM (dSE0q)

 

*******

 

I usually start with "I have a right to my own life".  (and its corollary- "you have a right to your own life").   If I get agreement, I then try to move on to 'liberty' and 'pursuit of happiness'.   There have been times where the discourse stopped at that level.   But if they are willing to concede Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness there is a chance for a dialogue.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 28, 2013 05:00 PM (p8Mda)

207 Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 08:52 PM (LRFds) This also fits a Reagan theme along the lines of mankind is inherently tribal, so the trick is to convince "everyone" that they should be a member of "your" tribe. If done correctly, everyone in the extended tribe has an interest in everyone else in the tribe doing well. The left's position is that your "specific" tribe can only do well if all the other tribes are doing poorly. Reagan's paraphrased line was you can move to America and become an American, but you can't move to Britain and become British!

Posted by: Hrothgar of Heorot at March 28, 2013 05:02 PM (Cnqmv)

208 Backwards boy as i said i didn't remember the context  of what i'd read except that  his being involved as what I'd thought as a 'communist' trying to start a war against  rich/poor , and between white/black etc.

although i thought communist  woops not socialists.

but it kinda fits with  some of the type of commentary i've been hearing over the last few years.stuff today

Posted by: willow at March 28, 2013 05:02 PM (nqBYe)

209 Manson got the death penalty iirc, but the Supremes said it was unconstitutional so his sentence was changed to life. Later the Supremes decided the go-go juice was ok after all but by then it was too late.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 05:03 PM (tlhtD)

210
   William Ayers.   Nasty little scumbag.


    Ayers goals haven't changed an iota.  They are simply being prosecuted sans explosives now.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 28, 2013 05:04 PM (SAMxH)

211 Please to enjoy our new Republican Party -- now with specific pandering -- uh -- outreach -- to Women, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Youths, Gays and gay young hispanic women. Posted by: Your RNC Growth and Opportunity Project - It Spells GOP! Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 28, 2013 08:42 PM (kdS6q) What the RNC doesn't understand: objects at rest tend to stay at rest, meaning most people don't change their way of thinking unless there's a catalyst: a book read, a nutty college proffessor, being in the military, a mugging, disaster, etc. that is, something that happened which affected their perspective. Those who do change their way of thinking do so because of these things and because they don't consider their ideology to be their very being. Most black conservatives became conservatives because they looked at the left and said,"this is not what I believe in," and they (we) actively set out to see what the other side was about. Most who won't do this are either incapable of it or blinded by that thing called pride. People underestimated pride's insidious nature. And I'm not just talking about racial pride, but the pride that keeps a person from saying, " I was wrong about this" or "I was misinformed." Their ideology *is* them. (Now you have a bit of insight as to why the left claims that black conservatives aren't really black.) So the RNC wants to reach out to those who are well and truly blinded by various types of pride on the basis of that pride itself. Good luck with that folly.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 05:06 PM (Su0W2)

212 By the way, Mama Winger, huge hug for you and your boy.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 28, 2013 05:06 PM (lVPtV)

213 207 hrothgar,

Amen...I love my mother's German roots and I grasp the cultural impact germany had on my Ohio home but at the end of the day despite my son being german looking enough to have the Luftwaffe Fraus at Ft Bliss and Holloman chirping at he and I in German when he was an infant nothing he nor I could ever do would have us be anything bus "Auslander."

Come here legally, embrace our system and cut your path and you are my brother or sister no matter where fate had you draw breath.

A healthy empire is a welcoming empire.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 05:06 PM (LRFds)

214 Thank you mightily, Miss Jane.  Same to you and your fine son as well.


Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 05:07 PM (P6QsQ)

215 196 Posted by: teej at March 28, 2013 08:46 PM (3R0Zs) One of the best things about the South teej is that bullshit didn't work here. One thing non-southerners don't realize about the Old South is we are almost totally integrated and have been since forever. I'm not talking about schools and water fountains but at work and even in our communities. Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 08:54 PM (tlhtD) This is truly heretical. I grew up in the segregated South. My parents never defended segregation. The fastest way for me to get my butt whipped was to be disrespectful to anyone who was deserving of my respect--on account of race or anything else. This fact of my upbringing has been lost.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 28, 2013 05:08 PM (JQuNB)

216 I guess I'd have to ask you to define "old south", sierra flunky. My experience with southern ways is admittedly limited, but a black guy from Mississippi I served with and I were talking one day. He couldn't believe I didn't hate him because he was black. "But you're white!" Yep George, have been all my life." "But you have blue eyes." "Had those all my life too." He just looked down and slowly shook his head in disbelief but trying to wrap his head around it. My first wife was from Louisville. Her family was as bigoted as any I've known. Same with my second wife's first husband's family. Cook county Georgia. Don't get me wrong. Too many folks in my neck of the woods carry the same ugly around with them. From both sides of the same racist coin.

Posted by: teej at March 28, 2013 05:09 PM (xDlyw)

217 214 Thank you mightily, Miss Jane. Same to you and your fine son as well.


Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 09:07 PM (P6QsQ



Huge hug and kiss for you and your boy.  Tell him how thankful we are for his service and faith.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 28, 2013 05:11 PM (lVPtV)

218 The Scottish/British Enlightenment held that man is fallible, therefore we should be be careful of giving too much power to any one group, including government. This is the school of thought of Locke, Smith, the Founder, etc. This is a product of the Calvinism prevalent in Scotland at the time. The first point of classic Calvinism is the Total Depravity of Man. Catholicism through the ages lost the orthodoxy worked out by Augustine of Hippo when he refuted the Pelegian heresy, and tended to lean on a works based system that implied that people were good and could be good by doing good. That is, good in an absolute ecclesiastical sense that would serve to provide eternal salvation. Hence the environment that birthed the French Revolution.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 28, 2013 05:11 PM (dSE0q)

219 215 Dang Harrison I've been called alot of things but this is a first for me, a heretic. Awesome!

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 05:12 PM (tlhtD)

220 209 Manson got the death penalty iirc, but the Supremes said it was unconstitutional so his sentence was changed to life. Later the Supremes decided the go-go juice was ok after all but by then it was too late. Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 09:03 PM (tlhtD) California abolished the DP for a bit, then changed its mind, but those who were on death row when it was abolished got to live. Manson was one of those.

Posted by: baldilocks at March 28, 2013 05:12 PM (Su0W2)

221 I will do that, Jane.  That means a lot.

Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 05:12 PM (P6QsQ)

222 Love you, mama winger.  You're an awesome mom.  And thanks for your prayers for our boy.  He knew about them and appreciated them more than you know.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 28, 2013 05:13 PM (lVPtV)

223 teej, born and raised in Georgia. Not saying we don't have racists. Not even trying to down play it. If you look back up thread you'll see i was responding to a post about a turn of the century commie trying to manufacture white guilt etc. My point was that it didn't work here.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 05:16 PM (tlhtD)

224 Jane, you are so sweet.  Your words of encouragement are like a cup of cold water.  Thank you for being a sister-in-arms, as it were.  Tell your son I still keep him in my prayers and am so grateful for all he has sacrificed for people that he will never meet.  (and many of whom will never appreciate it either, but don't get me started on THAT!) 


Posted by: mama winger at March 28, 2013 05:17 PM (P6QsQ)

225

Funny fact about Charles Manson....the man never actually killed anyone himself, but he'll die in prison.  Meanwhile,  Chuck  has watched numerous 1st degree murder convicts come and go during his stay.

 

Not trying to defend the POS, but if  simply advocating murder deserved   life in prison, Planned Parenthood would  cease to exist.

Posted by: Icedog at March 28, 2013 05:18 PM (ZolUS)

226 Too many folks in my neck of the woods carry the same ugly around with them. From both sides of the same racist coin. Posted by: teej at March 28, 2013 09:09 PM (xDlyw) Once when I was in the Army I was "up north," standing in line at the commissary. I was talking with the person in line ahead of me, when a black guy behind me interrupted. He said, "Pardon me, but I'd know your accent anywhere. You're from Alabama." Thinking he must be an officer, I said, "Yes, sir." "Well, I'm not a sir, but I appreciate the sentiment," he said. "I'm a Sergeant Major. I'm an enlisted man, like you. And I'm from Alabama, too--like you." "I'm proud to meet you, Sergeant Major." "I'm proud to meet you too, Son. You can't possibly imagine how proud."

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 28, 2013 05:18 PM (JQuNB)

227 Well hell Harrison why didn't you say you were from Alabama. That explains everything. Hillbilly devil worshippers all of ya'll!

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 05:21 PM (tlhtD)

228 mama winger, I keep your son and your family in my prayers, as well.

You're an awesome mom. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 28, 2013 05:22 PM (lVPtV)

229 Yeah weird flunky, I was just getting ready to add that the quote was to point out that the "dividers" have been working this type of program for a long time. It was definitely not to cast aspersions on any area of the country. And I do see a lot of "white guilt" around and still being pushed. The phrase comes up quite often around here.

Posted by: teej at March 28, 2013 05:24 PM (xDlyw)

230 Agreed teej. Good luck with your homestate basketballers. Bedtime for the flunky, 0400 comes damn early.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 05:27 PM (tlhtD)

231 I get up at 0400 too wf. Have a good, Good Friday.

Posted by: teej at March 28, 2013 05:29 PM (h1gQR)

232 You also.

Posted by: weird flunky at March 28, 2013 05:30 PM (tlhtD)

233 >>>Within a few short years America quickly developed factions. Uh Washington had to deal with factions within his own cabinet. Political parties had formed while the constitution was written and during his time as president. He wasn't giving a nebulous warning about the future in his farewell address, he was seeing it happen and recognized the dangers it could cause.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 28, 2013 05:34 PM (EXfUJ)

234 Manson expected the murders to trigger "Healter Skelter" where the blacks would rise up and start a race war. But then they wouldn't know what to do and would turn to Charlie and the Family to lead them. At least that's what I've read over multiple books about the Family.

We don't know that Charlie never killed anyone. There are those that say that he has. The Ed Sanders book (the guy that was in The Fugs)  is called "The Family" and is  very strange. He dropped his research when he felt his life was being threatened.

Posted by: notsothoreau at March 28, 2013 05:37 PM (5HBd1)

235 "I like the way Washington talks" Karl Childers

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at March 28, 2013 06:12 PM (MhA4j)

236 Of course most white people have to shut up and nod during discussions of race. Non-progressive white people have no moral authority on race after our endless illegal wars against brown people started by Republicans, the slave trade that the Bush family's ancestors profited from, the billions made by international bankers with names like -berg from those illegal wars, and so on.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at March 28, 2013 06:38 PM (/lyxQ)

237 You know, I was told by the lefties that they were reigniting the spin machine fleet for blog comments and I didn't believe them. Was over at breitbart reading commets and they are horrible, just horrible. Reminds me of the comments O'really complained about on the liberal blog, can't remember the name but, the lefty got all his talking points out and then some. breitbart needs training classes for his commenters on how to handle the person assigned to their blog. http://tinyurl.com/ceq5ybz Sort of reminds you of the way they flooded the blogs when Bush was president, finding fault with anything and everything he did.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 28, 2013 07:06 PM (/b8+5)

238

California abolished the DP for a bit, then changed its mind, but those who were on death row when it was abolished got to live. Manson was one of those.

 

Prop. 17. I remember it well, and voted against the death penalty as a young and stupid college student. Charles Manson & Co. singlehandedly changed my views on the subject.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 28, 2013 07:22 PM (IDSI7)

239 Everyone should read George Washington's Farewell Address. It describes Obama to a TÂ…Â…almost as if George could see the futureÂ…..

Posted by: redguy at March 28, 2013 07:31 PM (oqvI4)

240 George Washington's Farewell Address [Page 17] The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissention, which in different ages & countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders & miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security & repose in the absolute power of an Individual: and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty. Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight) the common & continual mischiefs of the spirit of Party are sufficient to make it the interest and the duty of a wise People to discourage and restrain it.

Posted by: redguy at March 28, 2013 07:35 PM (oqvI4)

241 Obama is the first president to create "faction" on purpose, which is important. His partner in governance is not the GOP, it's The Rabble. He goes out and campaigns instead of dealing with Congress; instead, he urges The Rabble to action and demonizes the other side, in the same manner as he stood outside a bank with his then rabble and didn't shut up until he got money from them.

The GOP and even his own party need to wake up; he is NOT one of them and how this will all turn out is still up for grabs.

Posted by: PJ at March 28, 2013 07:51 PM (ZWaLo)

242

OK, per standard AOSHQ practice, I'll not read the comments before commenting (uh - but I read the post - or most of it - so I guess I'm not REALLY following AOSHQSOP).

 

A tiny, irrelevant thing that bugs me - is that there are not 100 leftists/liberals/progressives, and perhaps zero in public life, who have any understanding whatsoever of Marxism (in any of its forms, from the original writings to the various contorted versions espoused by modern dictatorships).

 

Marxism is a vile, pernicious, disastrous pile of make-believe silliness that has serious faux-intellectual foundations, and which borrows/steals/distorts some valid concepts along the way (hmmm, sort of sounds like all our modern ills of "environmentalism", "liberalism", "progressivism").  But there are those who, back when Russia mattered, and the biggest big game in history was in full swing, dove way into the whole thing.  Read the basic works in German.  Sat through lectures at Leningrad State Univ. under red banners declaring Soviet revolutionary nonsense.  Geeked out with academic and intel community analysts on Soviet economic policies and statistics, and the attempts of the Soviet leadership to pretend some connection to Marxist concepts.  Studied the whole thing intensely and seriously.

 

But a pretty amazingly unworldly and ignorant mediocrity like Obama - anyone think he could even fake an answer to any question about "socialism, utopian and scientific"?  And I mean the concepts, not Engels' seminal work.  Of course not.  Does Cass Sunstein know who Feurbach was?  Could Sotomayor make heads or tails of the very insightful social analysis in Marx's "18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon"?  

 

Of course not. A ridiculous question.

 

These are profoundly unimpressive people - not educated, not intelligent in any practical sense, not even the least bit interesting (about which president before this one could a wordly person say "hmm, not even sure I'd have a beer with him, what would he have to say of any interest at all?").  They are the products of a degraded, fallen society.  Dialectical materialism - and other high-falutin' b.s. - is way, way, way above their intellectual pay grade.

 

So they're not "Marxists".  They can't be.  They understand as little about Marxism as they do about real economics, real business, "profits and earnings ratios", Austrian as a language, the constitution as a charter of negative liberties, cause and effect, science, military history, foreign policy, the Middle East, geopolitics, American history, and the role of "assault weapons" in gun-related crime (about zero).

 

They're ignorant authoritarians, they're racists, they're unAmerican in every important respect, they're cowardly wanna-be fascists (they don't understand that philosophy, either!), they're astonishing unworldly and unfit for any public office, and about the only thing "American" about them is their citizenship.  But they ain't Marxists.

 

Posted by: non-purist at March 28, 2013 07:59 PM (afQnV)

243

Well said, non-purist.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 28, 2013 09:02 PM (IDSI7)

244

Thanks, Jay.  With my fixed pattern of arriving late to threads, I guess I have a job of sorts - posting the final, mostly unseen comment!  We left coast morons can sort of post for each other, I guess, whilst the right coasters sleep off their Valu-Rite ......

 

Posted by: non-purist at March 28, 2013 10:18 PM (afQnV)

245
@242 But they ain't Marxists. Posted by: non-purist at March 28, 2013 11:59 PM (afQnV)


They're Fabian Socialists.

Posted by: Strife at March 29, 2013 04:48 AM (ntNJz)

246 This is a strange post. I'm inclined to say that you have this exactly backwards (cf. Fed. 10).

Posted by: David at March 29, 2013 06:02 AM (HDM3O)

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