November 20, 2013
— Ace Via Hot Air, that is Milbank's basic claim.
The Republicans’ scary-movie strategy has some logic to it: If they can frighten young and healthy people from joining the health-care exchanges, the exchanges will become expensive and unmanageable. This is sabotage, plain and simple — much like the refusal by red-state governors to participate in setting up the exchanges in the first place. But those sabotaging the new law should be careful what they wish for: Instead of killing the law, they are likely to make it more expensive to taxpayers. Their efforts could have the effect of turning Obamacare, which relies on private insurance and the free market, into just the sort of big-government entitlement Republicans were worried about in the first place.If they succeed in scaring people away, the ones who join exchanges are likely to be older and sicker, making the insurance pool costlier to insurers. As Larry Levitt, a senior vice president of the Kaiser Family Foundation, explained to me, if costs are more than 3 percent higher than anticipated in the first few years of Obamacare, the federal government will have to pick up at least half of the additional expense.
This was just explained to you yesterday?
Um, why are we reading you then? Most casually-informed people have known about this for three weeks. Truly informed people have always known about it.
But you just had very basic information explained to you, and now you're going to tell us all how the world works?
How the hell does that happen?
If the health-care exchanges continued to attract only the elderly and the sick in future years, premiums would rise and the only people likely to remain in the program will be those who qualify for the federal subsidies, which would increase sharply because individual contributions are limited to a percentage of the recipient’s income.“The more successful opponents are at discouraging young and healthy people from enrolling, the bigger share of the cost the federal government will end up covering,” Levitt said. “The implication of encouraging young and healthy people to sit on the sidelines is that costs are shifted to the federal government.”
You can read Ed Morrissey's rebuttal at Hot Air.
I prefer to look at this more globally. What the Republicans are doing is telling the public The Truth. And The Truth is this:
* Obamacare, as currently configured, is a "hacker's paradise," according to MaAfee Anti-Virus founder and former owner John McAfee.
Is that scary? Does that discourage people from signing up?
Indeed it does. It's also true. Another security expert just called the site filled with "critical risks." CMS's former head of IT, Tony Trenkle, refused to certify the site as secure.
What does Milbank suppose we should do about this? Lie to the people, as his coreligionists have been lying to them for four years?
* Obamacare is premised on a "Spread the Health Insurance Wealth Around" philosophy which is strongly redistributive, that is, it shifts costs from the poor or uninsurable to the healthier members of the Middle Class.
This means the healthier members of the middle class -- especially men, and especially young men -- are now paying far more for insurance than their actual risk profile suggests they would. This means, finally, that insurance is now a bad economic deal for them.
That's the heart of Obamacare-- and that's not a glitch. That's what Obamacare is supposed to do.
Again: Should we continue lying to them about this? Should we tell them their health insurance dollars -- and their formally generous networks of health care providers, now restricted in order to give doctors to other people* -- are not being appropriated to fund other people?
This is what Obama and the Democrats have been doing all along. The GOP has attempted to tell the public this would happen, but there has been little media interest in covering the story. The media simply assumed Obama was telling the truth and the GOP was lying and refused to look into the actual facts.
Well, now that these things do not require any reading or research to discover -- witnesses are coming forward -- the media cannot continue maintaining its pose that Obama was telling the truth.
He wasn't. He was lying. He was lying all along.
Dana Milbank is upset by this. He wants the media and government to go back to lying to the public. Because he knows the truth will make the public less likely to buy into Obamacare, and if they don't buy into Obamacare, it goes into a death spiral.
And then Obama will have to repeal it, and the Democratic Party will be discredited for a generation.
All that's true, and, no one's going to lie much about this, the GOP would like to see that happen just as much as a partisan Democrat shill like Dana Milbank would like to not see it happen.
Nevertheless, these things aren't happening because the GOP is lying to the public. These things are happening because Obama's lies are finally being contradicted, not by GOP "scare campaigns," but by actual facts. Things you can actually check. Real things. Not spin, not rhetoric -- actual real-world facts.
Milbank's cry, though he won't admit this, is that he wishes the GOP would feel the sense of Redistributive Patriotism that Obama and Democrat partisan shills such as himself feel, and lie to the public about the nature of this program, at least long enough to get it to take root, because when it has taken root, the public will not be able to do away with it, ever, no matter how much it harms them.
Well, the GOP has no interest in lying about this. Lying about other things, sure, maybe. But lying about Obamacare, which they oppose?
Do Milbank and his other firebreathing partisan liberal partisans really think they're going to enlist the GOP in their lies (or at least bully them into keeping silent about the truth) to save Obama, Obamacare, Reid and Pelosi from the consequences of their awful, harmful policy preferences?
You know what's really scary, Dana? Poppin' Molly. It's a dangerous drug. Just say no.
Progressives view the public as three things:
1, stupid and incapable of making the "right" political choices.
2, ethically foul (bitter clingers, racist) and therefore not only deserving of, but requiring, manipulation and deceit from their intellectual and moral betters to induce them to make the "right" political choices. The truth won't work with people who are both intellectually and morally retarded; like children being told to be good or else Santa Claus won't give them gifts, they have to be manipulated into the right decision by childish fictions.
3, tax-generating worker drones whose only real value is not in the fullness of their own lives (they're essentially zombies, monsters, beasts of the field) but whose labor can be expropriated to improve more worthy lives.
Essentially, the entirety of Flyover Country, filled with dull-minded, black-hearted suburban and rural Middle Class workers, is a gigantic farm of human beings from which progressives can harvest the fruits of Middle Class Labor for various feasts they've planned.
Milbank's column is implicitly a confession of this. He cannot write the nonsense he writes without having this idea central in his thinking (but hidden from his audience). He's just Darned Angry at the GOP for blowing the whistle and letting people know that Obama is turning them into farm-animals to be periodically shorn of fur with which to make sweaters for members of Obama's coalition.
He spends an awful lot of time complaining that the GOP is saying these Mean Things, and very little time at all explaining in what way these Mean Things are actually untrue.
Because he knows these things are true. But he doesn't want the Sheep to know that.
Why, they might even begin to fear the Shears.**
Perhaps instead of dishonestly making this sort of argument, Milbank should man up and tell the truth himself. If he believes it's people's Patriotic Duty to sacrifice for the good of the Collective, he should just argue that case honestly, instead of trying to fashion Tricksy Narratives in which the greatest villain, and the greatest threat to the common weal, is an Informed Citizenry.
* It's not exactly true that people's doctors are being taken from them to be given to other people. It's indirectly true, though: Obamacare is restricting doctor networks in order to put pressure on doctors to reduce medical costs. With only one or two insurers in an area, the insurers have more bargaining power. This is intended. "Bend the cost curve down" and all.
It's also required to restrict provider networks in order to reduce costs. Because without that cost-reducing move, the premiums now causing sticker shock would be even higher. So Obamacare screws the Middle Class over in both ways-- it jacks up their premiums, and then, to keep premiums from being even higher, it reduces their access and choice.
** In ancient Rome, the office of tax collector was a position that people paid the state to perform. Becoming a tax collector meant that you now had the right, granted to you by Rome, to tax all the people in the province you purchased.
It was a position you purchased to profit from -- if you were anywhere near good at squeezing taxes out of the population, you'd collect more in "revenue" -- their taxes -- than you paid to state to get the job.
These folks were very commonly called tax farmers, as they were in fact farming tax money from the Human Corn called "citizens." This wasn't even said in a derogatory fashion-- tax farmers called themselves tax farmers. It was just accepted that this was your function, plucking the human farm of its fruits.
We should bring back this terminology, this notion. It's pretty vivid, and it does indeed describe the situation accurately.
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A lot of informed people have known about this for three years. And you called them racists, Milbanks.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 08:12 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: backhoe at November 20, 2013 08:12 AM (ULH4o)
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Stop me before I steal from you again.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 08:13 AM (Hx5uv)
Three weeks? Try a few years. This is one of the material objections many Republicans had going back to the beginning of Obamacare.
Perhaps the press should go back and look at the very substantive objections Republicans had to Obamacare when Democrats were ramming it through Congress.
Because those arguments look strangely like what is going on today.
Posted by: Marcus at November 20, 2013 08:14 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2013 08:14 AM (F58x4)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 20, 2013 08:14 AM (9YWWv)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 20, 2013 08:15 AM (RZ8pf)
The problem is they have run out of other people's money and are now trying everything they can think of to fleece the public at large.
Helicopter Ben's inflationary policies are one tack and most LIVs and Democrats are too ignorant to understand why they are paying more for the same food staples every year.
The problem here though for Obama and co is that now the Democrats are robbing a constituent group - the young - blatantly.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:15 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Dana is a girl's name at November 20, 2013 08:15 AM (NXg/k)
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 08:16 AM (Hx5uv)
If it was a good deal economically for the majority of Um...ericans then the people would be rushing to sign up.
It ain't. They ain't.
No amount of lying, one way or the either, makes that change.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2013 08:16 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: CarolT at November 20, 2013 08:16 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Roy at November 20, 2013 08:16 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 20, 2013 08:16 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 20, 2013 08:17 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Dana Milbanks mother at November 20, 2013 08:17 AM (F58x4)
Instead of killing the law, they are likely to make it more expensive to
taxpayers.
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Either they rob the productive class on their new, higher insurance premiums, or they will rob the productive class with new taxes/more inflation.
Well now, the left has certainly given the productive class a choice there haven't they?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:17 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2013 08:18 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 08:18 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Reality Trumps Propaganda at November 20, 2013 08:18 AM (Tb01R)
I can't wait until Obama reads Milbank's column and says "Holy Shit - that's how that works!"
Posted by: Roy at November 20, 2013 08:18 AM (VndSC)
No Republicans vote for Obamacare...mostly the Republican's responsibility.
Or so the state media tells us.
I guess this at least shows the argument that Obamacare was a good law is over...
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:18 AM (P3U0f)
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Posted by: ace at November 20, 2013 08:19 AM (/FnUH)
We don't worry about that. We have no credit history.
Posted by: The seven who signed up at November 20, 2013 08:19 AM (Dwehj)
For the definition of "man" that only counts the chromosomes. Other definitions, not really.
(I do enjoy looking at Dana Andrews, who is an actual man by other definitions.)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 08:19 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 08:19 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 20, 2013 08:20 AM (RZ8pf)
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Now why didn't I think of that?
Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 20, 2013 08:20 AM (P3U0f)
Let's not forget that very important point as she tries to morph into another ethereal political alter-ego announced by sonorous, lofty themes like "it's time" to cover her lack of accomplishments and terrible ideas that actually failed.
Posted by: Marcus at November 20, 2013 08:20 AM (GGCsk)
Hey, you read my comments!
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 08:20 AM (ZKzrr)
So we're the Morlocks? Got it.
When do we eat?
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 08:20 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Truth at November 20, 2013 08:21 AM (WfpBO)
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Posted by: Dana Milbanks ninth grade teacher at November 20, 2013 08:22 AM (F58x4)
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Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:22 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 20, 2013 08:22 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2013 08:22 AM (FcR7P)
*coughs*
Posted by: Cris Christie at November 20, 2013 08:22 AM (5ikDv)
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Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 20, 2013 08:22 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Roy at November 20, 2013 08:22 AM (VndSC)
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They may think this about us but the more interesting feature of their psychosis is that they think their base are too dumb and too lazy to handle the truth so they must be lied to.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 08:23 AM (Hx5uv)
>>"the media cannot continue maintaining its pose that Obama was telling the truth."
Sure they can. And they will.
Posted by: rrpjr at November 20, 2013 08:23 AM (aLdre)
Posted by: Caliban at November 20, 2013 08:23 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 20, 2013 08:23 AM (bCEmE)
It is amazing how much ALL politicians do not know.
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Politicians succeed by doing two things:
1) Running campaigns where they get 51% or more of the votes
2) Finding clients that will fund and enrich them.
As such we end up with politicians good at getting 51% of the vote and paying off clients. They are not penalized for being idiots (see Hank Johnson) or for being corrupt (at least if they have a D by their name). Until that changes we will continue to have the corrupt collection of ignoramuses we have now...
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:23 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 20, 2013 08:24 AM (dtuXM)
In addition to the Donkey, their symbol should be the Cockroach. Posted by: Truth
Triumvirate? Ass, roach, and rat?
Posted by: backhoe at November 20, 2013 08:24 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2013 08:24 AM (lj6TV)
Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 20, 2013 08:24 AM (kkbgQ)
Seriously. That right there is good stuff , Ace.
Thanks!
Posted by: noone, really at November 20, 2013 08:25 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:25 AM (sByIH)
""I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense and - you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows - (know) this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday," said Reid, D-Nev.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2013 08:25 AM (JRmiD)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 20, 2013 08:25 AM (+lsX1)
The website is hopelessly boned and the new insurance plans are much more expensive with high deductibles. But no, that couldn't possibly have anything to do with lack of participation, could it?
Nope, must be that the young people who voted for Obama twice now slavishly obey any suggestion by the Republican party. Good luck with that, Dana.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2013 08:26 AM (SY2Kh)
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You can already see it on the leftist sites as individuals find themselves paying more for less they are whining there. And the rest of the leftists, who have employer issued insurance, are actually attacking them for complaining about it...
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:26 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:26 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: Hillary!'s unshorn scrotum at November 20, 2013 08:26 AM (Tb01R)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbitt, but you must call me Chelsea at November 20, 2013 08:27 AM (vVMIQ)
All you pain is because the democrats forsce this on you.
Not one Republican voted for this new health care law.
Posted by: Fred Q. at November 20, 2013 08:27 AM (W6iIX)
Who needs a dental dam if you have beer? After all, alcohol is a disinfectant. Plus it enhances the flavor.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2013 08:28 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Chad Henderson - Cockjockey at November 20, 2013 08:28 AM (LSJmV)
Those damned dirty ATMs are out to get our President.
Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2013 08:28 AM (lj6TV)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbitt, but you must call me Chelsea at November 20, 2013 08:28 AM (vVMIQ)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 20, 2013 08:28 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb at November 20, 2013 08:28 AM (8ZskC)
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A critical mass of the left believes that reality is largely changeable by thought alone.
They really believe the reason that Levithan fails is because too many conservatives failed to believe in its successes as an article of faith.
It may be hard to believe, but when you get leftists in a private conversation to reveal the truth, they truly hold that even ineffectual resistance, as for example the Republicans to Obamacare, can damage leftwing initiatives by the mere thinking of "bad thoughts"
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:29 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Dana Milbanks, meat eater at November 20, 2013 08:29 AM (aN78T)
Posted by: Martin Bashir at November 20, 2013 08:30 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 08:30 AM (kkbgQ)
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Being, of course, too stupid and ignorant to know they're next. Tick, tick, tick....BOOM!
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 20, 2013 08:30 AM (XB5Ak)
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2013 08:30 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 08:30 AM (kkbgQ)
The same Cummings who ONE WEEK ago screamed bloddy murder about the designer of the site being subpoenaed by Issa.
Cummings or goings? He even don't f*king know.
Posted by: noone, really at November 20, 2013 08:31 AM (5ikDv)
They sold it to the young and gullible as the Obama people ALLOWING them to buy health insurance.
The actual product is all about FORCING them to buy health insurance.
Not the same thing. It is the essence of why socialism does not work.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2013 08:31 AM (TOk1P)
Count me in on that sweater too!
Posted by: San Fran Nan's Unshorn Saggy Boobies at November 20, 2013 08:31 AM (Tb01R)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 20, 2013 08:32 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Mega
Journolist v2.0....
Posted by: backhoe at November 20, 2013 08:32 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Caliban at November 20, 2013 08:32 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: Oprah[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:32 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 08:32 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jeff Bezos at November 20, 2013 08:32 AM (aN78T)
Hey Democrats!
Young people don't want to pay really high health insurance so old people can have cheap health care
Posted by: Fred Q. at November 20, 2013 08:32 AM (W6iIX)
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As this point, I suggest Obama put the Obamacare webservers out of their misery
http://tinyurl.com/l4g9cfn
Posted by: John McAfee at November 20, 2013 08:33 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2013 08:33 AM (JRmiD)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2013 08:33 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Oddball[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:34 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: Phelps at November 20, 2013 08:34 AM (iXRJM)
Posted by: Redundancy Police at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (kkbgQ)
Sorry.
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 12:21 PM (GQ8sn)
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Ahem...bite me.
And Millbank is a Dick.
Posted by: dana nj con at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (wmU4G)
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The left is a strict hierarchy and the mouthpieces know their places.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (P3U0f)
Nevertheless, these things aren't happening because the GOP is lying to the public. These things are happening because Obama's lies are finally being contradicted, not by GOP "scare campaigns," but by actual facts. Things you can actually check. Real things. Not spin, not rhetoric -- actual real-world facts.
This is also why so many of the "administration's" excuses for why the Obammycare rollout has been so bad are focused at republicans.
"We didn't want to publicize the security problems we were having prior to the website's launch, because the Republicans would ahve used that against us."
"We didn't want to talk about the millions of policies we knew would be cancelled when Obamacare went live, because the Republicans would have used that against us."
And so on and so forth.
In every such example the implication is clear: the Republicans would have used the facts to counter the "administration's" lies, and to Obammy and his minions that was a bad thing; a much worse thing than launching the site and setting Obammycare in motion without security and with the promise of overwhelming sticker shock.
They decided to "play politics" with people's lives, literally, rather than have to defend their monstrous "law."
How is this not already a GOPe ad campaign?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (4df7R)
....And pretty words. Obama believe his words = deeds.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (JRmiD)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (32Ze2)
If the health-care exchanges continued to attract only the elderly and the sick in future years, premiums would rise and the only people likely to remain in the program will be those who qualify for the federal subsidies, which would increase sharply because individual contributions are limited to a percentage of the recipientÂ’s income.
This is exactly why Pelosi and Obama included the provision that would force everybody into the Obamcide program. They knew the only people who would sign up would be the FSA.
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (FTQyq)
Posted by: JPS at November 20, 2013 08:35 AM (eMFdB)
The Iowahawk response was ... epic.
Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2013 08:36 AM (HjPtV)
It is obvious that something is harshing the mellow of the web servers and we need to get to the bottom of it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2013 08:36 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2013 08:36 AM (F58x4)
Posted by: Chad Henderson - Cockjockey at November 20, 2013 12:28 PM (LSJmV)
Get my bat.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:36 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:36 AM (sByIH)
You'll need to downgrade like an Obamacare bitch.
Posted by: Dirty Republican scaring you straight at November 20, 2013 08:36 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 20, 2013 12:35 PM (32Ze2)
that was a long time ago, even before FaceBook
Posted by: Fred Q. at November 20, 2013 08:37 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at November 20, 2013 08:37 AM (659DL)
black-hearted suburban and rural Middle Class workers, is a gigantic farm of human beings from which progressives can harvest the fruits of Middle Class Labor for various feasts they've planned FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 08:37 AM (Hx5uv)
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President Downgrade.
Has a nice/terrible ring to it.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:37 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 08:38 AM (kkbgQ)
Makes you wonder how they rolled out Social Security. The lies must have been epic.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 20, 2013 12:35 PM (32Ze2)
You mean like this one? "We'll take your money and put it in a lockbox with your name on it, and it's there for you when you retire."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:38 AM (4df7R)
They also traveled with a complement of soldiers.
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 08:38 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 20, 2013 08:38 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 08:39 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 08:39 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: MWR,
Hey, I remember that one.
Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2013 08:39 AM (HjPtV)
that was a long time ago, even before FaceBook
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True Brah - who can even understand what weird language they were speaking like 100 years ago.
Posted by: Ezra Klein at November 20, 2013 08:39 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 08:40 AM (k55Fc)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:40 AM (4df7R)
how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and
hopeful for a change?
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It's your negative waves that caused the ObamaCare website to crash during Sebelius's media event yesterday.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 08:40 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Adam Smith at November 20, 2013 08:40 AM (F58x4)
Posted by: Chad Henderson - Cockjockey at November 20, 2013 08:41 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2013 08:41 AM (CJjw5)
"LOL, progressives will support Obamacare until THEIR premiums go up. Then they'll all be in a tizzy."
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Yes, they are upset their little tin god of a President misspoke to them, but they've moved past it and have frozen the next target: insurance companies.
Posted by: Jay in PA at November 20, 2013 08:41 AM (3LaGb)
put it in a lockbox with your name on it, and it's there for you when you retire."
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People should have immediately become suspicious when they were not given an account number.
Posted by: mama wingr at November 20, 2013 08:42 AM (P6QsQ)
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Crash is such a hard word.
Let's say we implemented a suboptimal user experience for user base that accessed the PPACA human interface application at one point in the delivery of services to those in need.
Posted by: Sebelius at November 20, 2013 08:42 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: L, elle at November 20, 2013 08:42 AM (0xqKe)
** In ancient Rome, the office of tax collector was a position that people paid the state to perform.
At least they got vomitoriums out of the deal.
Posted by: wth at November 20, 2013 08:43 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 08:43 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Truck Monkey
T insidious part is that the people who built SocSec had this weird quality. They called it competence.
And they didn't have to lie so much is hope that no one noticed the system would stop working when the country didn't have exponential growth on the horizon.
Fav story: Ida May Fuller, 1st SocSec recipient.
Total contributions (6 mo worth ) = $24.75
Total life time benefits = $22,888
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 20, 2013 08:43 AM (KVY+w)
Posted by: Oddball at November 20, 2013 12:34 PM (sByIH)
One of my fav movies EVAR!
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 08:43 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: The Waclawski Brothers at November 20, 2013 08:43 AM (3e8zv)
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Yep - The argument is that they are taking advantage of Obamacare to raise rates. Of course they also argue that people are getting more services and more people are getting covered due to Obamacare...so obviously rates going up must be an insurance company plot.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2013 08:43 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 20, 2013 08:43 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2013 08:43 AM (J4eqE)
Posted by: Shit Confucius said before the interwebs at November 20, 2013 08:44 AM (Tb01R)
Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 12:40 PM (k55Fc) [/i]
It's like how everyone gets a Participation Trophy now, because it's mean to tell a little leaguer, "We lost, kiddo, because you couldn't catch TB in a TB ward, and our pitcher throws the ball like a deformed spaz."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:44 AM (4df7R)
Psalm 109:8?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 08:44 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: barack obama as Augustus at November 20, 2013 08:44 AM (4eNxd)
"CMS's former head of IT, Tony Trenkle, refused to certify the site as secure."
The guy had to lose his job because he wouldn't commit fraud. Bit backward this administration. Two people lost jobs so far with this debacle. This guy fo not lying and the Washington (DC?) Insurance Commisioner for telling the truth. Bill Clinton just got the Medal of Freedom for lying under oath or something.
Posted by: dirks strewn at November 20, 2013 08:45 AM (kfcYC)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at November 20, 2013 08:45 AM (659DL)
"And then Obama will have to repeal it, and the Democratic Party will be discredited for a generation."
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You are wildly and inaccurately underestimating the current cultural and educational barriers to such a thing.
Simply put: there is absolutely no way a majority of young college voters or young single mothers will ever, ever, abandon the Democratic party.
Posted by: Jay in PA at November 20, 2013 08:45 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: sandy burger at November 20, 2013 08:46 AM (4dy3y)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 08:46 AM (IXrOn)
If they could have just pulled this ACA off with payroll deductions, they might have gotten away with it. Think about it. Bring the pot up to a slow boil.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 20, 2013 08:46 AM (32Ze2)
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That terrorist blue dress got shot with maximum prejudice. Uh...for great justice.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 20, 2013 08:46 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2013 08:46 AM (CJjw5)
ACA was Step One. Single payer is Step Two. No one could possibly still be surprised that 0'care is working exactly right. I'm only surprised the collapse is happening so quickly.
I gotta say, given his ideological disposition, 0bama's our most effective prez in history. I never though America was this fragile ... he's proven me wrong.
The Kool Kids Kommie Klub (KKKK) is winning has won.
Posted by: Kate58 at November 20, 2013 08:47 AM (MvtKs)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2013 12:43 PM (iGPSR)
Every post deserves a shaved alpaca photo.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:47 AM (4df7R)
The biggest mistake the leftists made is not coopting some R support to back the bill.
God was that a huge mistake. Now they, and they alone, reap the whirlwind.
Posted by: prescient11 at November 20, 2013 08:47 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Hillary! at November 20, 2013 08:47 AM (LSJmV)
>> there is absolutely no way a majority of young college voters or young single mothers will ever, ever, abandon the Democratic party.
Well, I wouldn't say "no way". A competent GOP could frame the issues such that...
OK, there's no way.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 20, 2013 08:47 AM (4dy3y)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 20, 2013 12:46 PM (CJjw5)
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I plan on coming down with a bad case of worms.
Posted by: mama wingr at November 20, 2013 08:48 AM (P6QsQ)
It's a lot easier to sell a pyramid scam when it isn't upside down from the beginning.
Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 08:48 AM (k55Fc)
Posted by: BuckIV at November 20, 2013 08:48 AM (gedHR)
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There have been several comments from the left lately to the effect that when Jesus comes back were going to be in deep trouble for opposing socialism. In fact, those tax farmers are referred to in the Bible as publicans and Jesus had, as far as I know, nothing good to say about them and frequently used them as bad examples.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 08:48 AM (Hx5uv)
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Dude, like my teacher taught me to be an independent thinker so you won't fool me. Politicians lie and stuff if they have an R by their name. And you can't trust anyone who isn't reading the news on Comedy Central.
So fuck off you close minded racist. I bet you don't even believe we revolved from sea monkeys are that the Earth is like a circle.
Posted by: Your Average Young Democrat at November 20, 2013 08:49 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2013 08:49 AM (J4eqE)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 20, 2013 08:49 AM (SY2Kh)
Fav story: Ida May Fuller, 1st SocSec recipient.
Total contributions (6 mo worth ) = $24.75
Total life time benefits = $22,888
I often wonder how anyone believed the bullshit idea that you were paying for your own future, when the people who were going to start receiving those payments hadn't even had a chance to pay a year's worth into their OWN "lockbox."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:49 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 20, 2013 08:50 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Drider at November 20, 2013 08:50 AM (/VmYa)
Still can't find a verse where Jesus teaches that we should beg for Caesar to confiscate our neighbors' wages to buy us free shit.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 08:50 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: wth
Exits at forums and public buildings?
Well, I suppose it's useful.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 20, 2013 08:51 AM (KVY+w)
Makes you wonder how they rolled out Social Security. The lies must have been epic.
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hen Social Security first began, beneficiaries could take their benefits as a lump sum. The earliest reported applicant for a lump sum Social Security benefit was Ernest Ackerman of Cleveland, OH. Mr. Ackerman retired one day after the program began and paid $0.05 in Social Security taxes. He received a lump sum payment of $0.17 or a 240% return.\
It has been down-hill ever since.
Posted by: Jay in PA at November 20, 2013 08:51 AM (3LaGb)
So fuck off you close minded racist. I bet you don't even believe we revolved from sea monkeys are that the Earth is like a circle.
Posted by: Your Average Young Democrat at November 20, 2013 12:49 PM (P3U0f)
My youngest stepson's highschool science class watched "The Core" in class and did a paper on it.
"The Core"
The one where the earth's core stopped rotating and they had to drill down to it and detonate a nuke to get it spinning again.
You know...that movie full of science win?
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 08:51 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 08:51 AM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2013 08:51 AM (J4eqE)
Posted by: Book at November 20, 2013 08:52 AM (qWES6)
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Um...I am Jesus 2.0 wingnuts.
Posted by: Barack Obama at November 20, 2013 08:52 AM (P3U0f)
Posted by: Countrysquire at November 20, 2013 08:52 AM (LSJmV)
HealthCare.gov is a good metaphore for the federal gubment.
The only way to get it to work is to burn it all down, terminate (fire) all involved and start from scratch.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 20, 2013 08:52 AM (znT2j)
This is a great post, Ace.
The New Testament classified the tax collectors as a lower class of sinners. They were considered thieves.
Matthew 11:19.
Posted by: Liberty Lover at November 20, 2013 08:52 AM (4SWRh)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 08:53 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 08:53 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Bill Nye the Science Guy at November 20, 2013 08:53 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Pocahontas' Ghost at November 20, 2013 08:54 AM (UDPvg)
Posted by: Hillary! at November 20, 2013 12:48 PM (Tb01R)
[sighs] You got that right.
Posted by: Huma at November 20, 2013 08:54 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Bill Nye the Science Guy at November 20, 2013 12:53 PM (CJjw5)
As a scientist myself, I would like to kick your ass.
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 08:54 AM (GQ8sn)
"The Core"
The one where the earth's core stopped rotating and they had to drill down to it and detonate a nuke to get it spinning again.
You know...that movie full of science win?
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 12:51 PM (GQ8sn)
*FACEPALM*
I hope your stepson's paper was titled: "How Come The Core Is Laughably Unscientific and Why I Would Have Been Better Educated By Staring at the Wall for Two Hours."
The only reason to watch "The Core" in school is if you're in college, it's a film study course, and you're tasked with watching the kind of movei that puts the "fiction" in "science fiction."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 08:55 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Alternate Universe John Lennon with a 50 point lower IQ at November 20, 2013 08:55 AM (0cMkb)
>> There have been several comments from the left lately to the effect that when Jesus comes back were going to be in deep trouble for opposing socialism.
Jesus was killed by the government.
So obviously, let's make it more powerful.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 20, 2013 08:56 AM (4dy3y)
Gee...end of elections, never-ending elite, giant pool of Americans to be fleeced, beaten, and denied rights. Posted by: Pocahontas' Ghost
Yes. And what are the odds that the Dems will simply cross-check that list with county voter registration lists?
Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2013 08:57 AM (HjPtV)
Just tax slaves on the govt plantation is the correct analogy.
It occurred to me the other day that part of this whole monetary "squeeze play" they are putting the middle class through is not just the theft thru inflation or redistribution, but to make sure there is only 2 classes.....poor and rich.
The middle class causes them too much trouble what with their free time and alternate new sources and evil cars to get around. The middle class has been targeted for extinction.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2013 08:57 AM (iGPSR)
Mallamutt, RINO President for Life:
By the time these special little snow-flakes are 18, they have been indoctrinated by not only the culture, but by schools, that being Republican means you are: against gays, for pollution, for profits over people, a friend of people who screw the middle class, et. al.
There is great, great, social norming pressure for a young person to be a Democrat - esp as it relates to gay rights - in today's America.
Posted by: Jay in PA at November 20, 2013 08:57 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: Your Progressive Betters at November 20, 2013 08:57 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2013 08:57 AM (JRmiD)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 20, 2013 08:57 AM (tmFlQ)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 08:57 AM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 08:58 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Adam Savage, MYTHBUSTER at November 20, 2013 08:58 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Unshorn Alpacas of America at November 20, 2013 08:58 AM (Tb01R)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 20, 2013 08:59 AM (vd7A8)
Only if you dump a lot of Mentos down the shaft.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2013 08:59 AM (8ZskC)
I don't know what you're talking about....
Posted by: Obamacare Navigators - ACORD, La Raza, Planned Parenthood at November 20, 2013 08:59 AM (JRmiD)
First slave society evah where the "privileged class" work so the "disadvantaged class" can live in leisure.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 20, 2013 08:59 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 08:59 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at November 20, 2013 08:59 AM (659DL)
One.
How about that for control of doctor networks.
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Here's a thought.
How about people pick a doctor they like and make an appointment and go see him and pay him for his services?
Crazy, I know.
Posted by: mama wingr at November 20, 2013 09:00 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Huma at November 20, 2013 09:00 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 20, 2013 09:00 AM (71LDo)
This is just hilariously bad concern-trolling by Dana Milbank. Shows you exactly how poorly the liberal East Coast writers understand conservatism.
Milbank thinks we should see that spending on subsidies for insurance companies will go up if lots of young people do not voluntarily barf up huge amounts of money for "insurance" that they will not use.
What we actually see is about 10 million potential new conservative voters.
Posted by: rockmom at November 20, 2013 09:00 AM (aBlZ1)
"Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery" was far more scientifically accurate.
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 09:00 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 09:01 AM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2013 09:01 AM (J4eqE)
"If there's muck to rake, rake it"
If the truth will scare away young .. old or ETs .. then scare them now.
But I can see the problem, the problem is that they are lied to too often.
"Truth would quickly cease to be stranger than fiction, once we got as used to it."
-- H. L. Mencken, "A Little Book in C Major" (1916)
Posted by: John Galt at November 20, 2013 09:01 AM (e8kgV)
Just tax slaves on the govt plantation is the correct analogy.
"Someone should defecate in your mouth for saying that."
-Martin Bashir, well-paid prig
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:02 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 01:01 PM (kkbgQ)
Sign me up !
Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at November 20, 2013 09:02 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: lawdvd at November 20, 2013 09:02 AM (d3clc)
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 20, 2013 09:02 AM (eCsBT)
Posted by: Wolf Puss at November 20, 2013 09:02 AM (Tb01R)
Posted by: WannbeAnglican at November 20, 2013 09:02 AM (uHgI5)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 09:02 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 09:03 AM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 09:04 AM (HVff2)
How about a view of my ass.
Or backwards over their shoulder as they trudge to Venezuela with their shit and its ideas in a rag tied to a stick on the other one.
Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2013 09:04 AM (DL2i+)
I saw Shaved Alpacas' reunion gig at the Lilith Fair in '97.
Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 09:04 AM (k55Fc)
http://jimtreacher.com/milbankorange.jpg
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 20, 2013 09:04 AM (XO6WW)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) at November 20, 2013 01:02 PM (PYAXX)
Howdy, Allen! Nice to see you!
The shaved alpacas are a reference to yesterday's thread about emotional women needing to STFU when they argue with their hubbies or something. ^_^
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:04 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 09:04 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 09:04 AM (k55Fc)
Actually, the A-10 Thunderbolt project from Fairchild Republic came in on time and under budget. And the plane worked like mofo!
Other than that, I got nuthin...
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 09:05 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 20, 2013 09:05 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:05 AM (4df7R)
And they're doing away with the subsidies that barely allowed the hospitals to take on those with no insurance or too poor but that's happening NOW before any of those Insurance policies take effect for those that needed the subsidies before, won't be able to get insurance OR go to the emergency room to get care.
Some hospitals are required by State and/or Federal law to provide care to anyone who comes to the hospital which means the hospitals will have to start eating the losses.
How soon before they go belly up or refuse to serve anyone?
And they did this on purpose. This is no accident or mistake or oversight. This was done on purpose.
It's why you don't see Obama sweating it really.
The plan is happening as it was intended.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at November 20, 2013 09:06 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Llamas Rule!, Inc. at November 20, 2013 09:06 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Bananarama at November 20, 2013 09:07 AM (Tb01R)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 20, 2013 09:07 AM (DrC22)
Putting aside single moms and young voters, other groups who will never, ever, view the Democrats as "discredited"
---State & Federal gov't employees
---Teachers
---Most police, fire, ems rank & file
---Most private sector union members
Oh, and guess what the good patriotic R's in Northern Virginia did when they were all stampy feet about the recent goverment "shutdown" that cost them a few bucks?
They got all voted for McAuliffe or stayed home in the VA Gov race.
Posted by: Jay in PA at November 20, 2013 09:08 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2013 09:08 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:08 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2013 01:08 PM (B/VB5)
Like, for example.... fucking CHAD?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:09 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 09:09 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: ginaswo at November 20, 2013 09:10 AM (/fxIZ)
Their assignment was basically a movie review.
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 09:10 AM (GQ8sn)
All?
Got any proof here, or are you just venting?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:11 AM (6T8Ay)
I think it still works if you consider the A-10 development program as a government social pacification project.
Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2013 09:11 AM (HjPtV)
They got all voted for McAuliffe or stayed home in the VA Gov race.
Ah , the Romney Defense.
Posted by: noone, really at November 20, 2013 09:12 AM (5ikDv)
Better to light a candle....
I encourage younger Obama supporters to use a significant portion of their income to buy unsubsidized insurance through the exchanges. Although those plans may be high-priced, have high deductibles, meager networks and mandatory coverage they can not possible use, I think they should still join to ultimately help pay for other people's insurance.
There Dana, I did my part.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 20, 2013 09:12 AM (kdS6q)
"He's just Darned Angry at the GOP for blowing the whistle and letting people know that Obama is turning them into farm-animals to be periodically shorn of fur with which to make sweaters for members of Obama's coalition."
I'd just like to pause to say that, hey, Ace, dude, you can really write. This is some A+ stuff.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at November 20, 2013 09:12 AM (qHCyt)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2013 09:12 AM (B/VB5)
Of course, that investment came with real risk. You failed to deliver the required revenues to Rome, well lets just say there was no bailout.
Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 09:13 AM (CMlD4)
Some are.
http://tinyurl.com/kfzz4be
If you break one you're Tim Allen Grunt-fu is legendary.
Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2013 09:13 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: negentropy at November 20, 2013 09:13 AM (27KAF)
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 20, 2013 09:13 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 20, 2013 09:14 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 09:14 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 20, 2013 01:12 PM (B/VB5)
I really, really don't like Chads in general, and that Chad in particular.
Fucking CHAD.
Whatever happened to fucking (Dimpled) CHAD anyway? He went from media darling to nobody in 0.5 seconds.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 20, 2013 09:14 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:15 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 20, 2013 01:14 PM (QupBk)
How did you like Ender's Game?
Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 09:15 AM (GQ8sn)
Hakced by robots?
Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 09:15 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 20, 2013 09:15 AM (7ObY1)
You are "Dan, a NJ Con."
Posted by: soothie at November 20, 2013 12:51 PM (J4eqE)
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Ok...just for few days or until I make a fool of my self during a drunkin ONT. Then I'll change my nic back...no one will ever know.
Posted by: dan a nj con formerly known as dana nj con at November 20, 2013 09:16 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: RWC at November 20, 2013 09:16 AM (fWAjv)
OT: Glad to see the 'press button' show up in the side bar (which by the way still has no alcohol).
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2013 09:16 AM (iGPSR)
Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 20, 2013 01:14 PM (QupBk)
That looked like shaved alpacas.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:16 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 09:17 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 09:17 AM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: bigggggles at November 20, 2013 09:17 AM (0a/7L)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:17 AM (sByIH)
Posted by: imp at November 20, 2013 09:17 AM (L9AnB)
Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 20, 2013 09:17 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2013 09:18 AM (+cx5n)
Seconds later, when Sebelius visited another table, things appeared to be awry. “The screen says ‘I’m sorry, but the system is temporarily down” CBS4’s Brian Andrews told Sebelius.
Sebelius, likely caught off guard and embarrassed, could only mutter “Uh oh” in response.
I love the idiot Obot navigator's response, btw. Her name's Carmen somethingsomething.
"That happens all the time. It must mean there are a lot of people online trying to buy coverage."
Like I said this morning on the Headlines thread: Sure, Carmen. That's the ticket. It's DEMAND.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 20, 2013 09:18 AM (4df7R)
Counting trees is a green job
Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 09:19 AM (CMlD4)
It's "Obamacare is premised on a "Spread the Health Insurance Wealth Around" philosophy... MAN!" (hear the DUDE)
Posted by: squashatseven at November 20, 2013 09:20 AM (LBtYV)
That's exactly what I think every time I buy something on Amazon, and the site crashes. Hang on, I've never witnessed an Amazon crash.
Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 09:21 AM (k55Fc)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2013 09:22 AM (dfYL9)
Yeah, that's pretty much it. Milbank is all in for Barry. Lies, half-lies, lying in the past, lying for the future, lying because there's nothing else to do. Lies R Us, let us help you lie. Re-market and re-brand your lies. Brother, can you spare a lie?
Posted by: mrp at November 20, 2013 09:23 AM (HjPtV)
Not so fast Grasshopper.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 20, 2013 01:17 PM (HVff2)
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Damn smart-alec Morons!!!!
Posted by: dan a nj con formerly known as dana nj con at November 20, 2013 09:23 AM (wmU4G)
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/tag/dana-milbanks
Posted by: Paladin at November 20, 2013 09:26 AM (ycm4Q)
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 01:17 PM (kkbgQ)
Yikes. That was suppose to be a smiley face: 
Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 09:27 AM (kkbgQ)
That is counter-intuitive for me. I would have thought that more doctors would mean lower cost rather than the opposite.
Posted by: Troll Feeder is confused at November 20, 2013 09:28 AM (SgoF9)
Posted by: zombie chris farley at November 20, 2013 09:28 AM (Kxz3Y)
Posted by: ginaswo at November 20, 2013 09:31 AM (/fxIZ)
This is a euphemism for something isn't it? And that site would be NSFW, wouldn't it?
Posted by: Allen
Dood, you got a real job and missed a meme. Hope it's worth it.
Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2013 09:33 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2013 09:33 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: DanInMN at November 20, 2013 09:35 AM (XqeyF)
The truth is hard and scary so you lie to little children. That is what the Democrats think of you. Oh - and if you are one of those who have been privileged by having good health? You need to be punished, because it is good for your souls to be chastised.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at November 20, 2013 09:51 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 20, 2013 09:56 AM (Y92Nd)
"And they didn't have to lie so much is hope that no one noticed the system would stop working when the country didn't have exponential growth on the horizon."
In fairness, the designers of the Social Security system were quite open about the fact that it was a demographic time bomb. They chose to build a pay-as-you-go system as a short-term way of coping with the emergency of the Depression, when people truly were destitute. However, they were quite open about the fact that it would have to be redesigned some time in the future - say, circa 1960 - once the emergency had passed. Amity Shales' discusses this in "The Forgotten Man".
Posted by: Brown Line at November 20, 2013 09:57 AM (VrNoa)
Posted by: John the Libertarian at November 20, 2013 09:57 AM (jKf/K)
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at November 20, 2013 09:59 AM (MSrqi)
A couple of corrections from a guy who works for McAfee.
1. It's spelled McAfee, not MacAfee.
2. John McAfee sold the company some 15 or so years ago. He has had no relationship with the company since.
That doesn't mean that I don't agree with John McAfee - I do. But he's on his on and has been for a long, long time.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbitt, but you must call me Chelsea at November 20, 2013 12:27 PM (vVMIQ)
Plus McAfee has been out of the computer security game for a long time and is now an 'eccentric' (which is what you're called when you're crazy but have a lot of money). So I would give his opinion on the security of healthcare.gov about the same weight as the average commenter on Slashdot.
Posted by: Mætenloch at November 20, 2013 09:59 AM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Cameo Appearance at November 20, 2013 10:02 AM (R8yKQ)
Re 14: "Dana is a man?"
Every time I hear Wilbanks' name, I can't help but remember the cable series "The L Word," which had a character named "Dana Fairbanks." In particular, a scene in which one woman squeals, "I can't believe it! I'm about to go down on Dana Fairbanks!"
Posted by: RNB at November 20, 2013 10:06 AM (fe/Mk)
What is being left out here is what restricting the networks means to actual healthcare. One advantage to living where I do is a relatively short distance from 2 major cities which offer world class care.
If these places are now out of network, my brother's brain tumor is operated on locally instead of at John's Hopkins.
Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at November 20, 2013 10:08 AM (FtCW+)
Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2013 10:19 AM (9221z)
Posted by: Dana Milbank at November 20, 2013 10:33 AM (1H+lb)
obama said "buying insurance is complicated"
insurance is complicated! he thinks purchasing it is complicated? hardly. buying insurance is not complicated.
i never required an in depth understanding of actuary tables. i never needed a super computer to sift through trends, risks and numerous other things in order to buy insurance.
he thinks the website fix is the end of this shit?
he thinks america is in essence one giant nancy pelosi and we'll all develop an lsd induced- like stare and never question anything he puts forth for legislation or says about decisions he's made ever again?
wow.
Posted by: i like anchors at November 20, 2013 10:41 AM (MRpbd)
Those three things are true. All of you are stupid, ethically foul, and racist besides.
Why our beloved President Obama tolerates the hateful existence of this horrible web site, I have no idea.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at November 20, 2013 10:53 AM (jCQ+I)
And at least Dana Milbank does't MASTURBATE IN AN EWOK COSTUME LIKE YOU DO, Mr. O'Spades!!!!
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at November 20, 2013 10:54 AM (jCQ+I)
Posted by: ObamaCare Enablers at November 20, 2013 11:23 AM (nbGZj)
Posted by: Rich at November 20, 2013 11:24 AM (WVRxe)
Maybe not, though. He sure isn't candid in his "reporting."
Posted by: eureka! at November 20, 2013 11:29 AM (hmMJD)
turning them into farm-animals to be periodically shorn of fur with which to make sweaters for members of Obama's coalition.
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Pure poetry
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 20, 2013 11:40 AM (If54N)
"Essentially, the entirety of Flyover Country, filled with dull-minded, black-hearted suburban and rural Middle Class workers, is a gigantic farm of human beings from which progressives can harvest the fruits of Middle Class Labor for various feasts they've planned."
Soylent green is..... PEOPLE!
Posted by: exliberal at November 20, 2013 12:23 PM (leIQP)
Posted by: Frank Underwood (D-SC) at November 20, 2013 02:01 PM (OpaBw)
Nice post, Ace.
I would carry your "animals" analogy one step further; Marxists keep harping on how the elite are opressing the fungible masses. While I would agree that some elite decadence, in the form of poor leadership, is a serious problem, I still think this is a strawman argument. It ignores the massive bulge in the middle of the Gaussian bell curve for the appropriately named middle class.
However, your basic take kept reminding me of Orwell's Animal Farm, where the pigs (Dem progressives) had turned into the farmers (strawman Republicans).
Posted by: Chizbro at November 20, 2013 06:52 PM (siPZU)
Posted by: jaed at November 21, 2013 12:36 AM (QsX2c)
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