1 100% of 40% agreed that 20% felt 5% of journalists had an ounce of integrity

2 This lie was already refuted multiple times by people in the know.  But you can not separate liberals from their lies.

3 David Gregory?  Never heard of him.

4 Surprise, surprise.....

5 But, math is hard.


Particularly if you are an idiot.


But he's a MSM journalist, so that goes without saying.

6 Yeah, but journalists hate lies, unless it furthers their agenda, then they're great.

7 lies, damned lies, and statistics. listed in increasingly damnable order.

8 "At-Large Felon David Gregory"

9 Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 25, 2013 11:31 AM (LRFds) .....and not biased. At. All.

10 2 Vic,

You can, but like a lot of things it requires a high powered application of a molecularly unstable medium....
and while that is entertaining and a treat at birthday parties it also scares the cows...

11 Facts,  how do they fucking work?

12 BTW, this 40% lie originated from Bloomingidiot of NYC and he pulled it straight out of his ass. He has nothing to back it up with.

13 100% of an firearms owned by an racist white Americans would never pass Kommissars Holder and Napolitano's stringent bakground checks. You must turn them in comrade, we'll be by to pick them up at the address you have listed on your forms.

14 Reporting actual facts?..never heard of it

15 11 Facts, how do they fucking work? Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 25, 2013 11:34 AM (+z4pE) I have numbered blocks and lettered blocks. What am I supposed to do?

16 40% of David Gregory's intelligence is 90% imbecile-level.

17 Yellow journalism? You're soaking in it...

18 David Gregory is 100% reliable 0% of the time. The rest of the time he's a regular retard.

19 Facts, how do they fucking work?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 25, 2013 11:34 AM (+z4pE)

David Gregory: We make them up to fit our agenda

20 "Even if we are generous and include sales between family members and friends, we are left with a figure of eleven percent. Not forty percent." Sheesh. Everyone's wrong. It's obviously ELEVENTY percent.

21 Being held accountable to the same laws as the little people..never heard of it

22 Aside from the part where David Gregory is a leftist propagandist, I don't follow.

23 Usually, I can only get 40% of it down before I gag. Is there something wrong with me?

24 Maybe how they are calculating that 40% is that.. if you buy two or more guns at the same time... the first gun gets a background check, but guns two, three, etc.  do not.  Does that make sense?

25 100 percent of liberal journalists get passes when they blatantly break the law. On live tv. With millions watching.. Oh, MSNBC. With tens of people watching. (being generous.

26 I don't get it. Gregory says 40% of firearms *sales* occur without a background check. How does the fact that 30% of the people who acquired firearms either received them as a gift or inherited them contravene Gregory's assertion? That's comparing the apples of sales alone to the oranges of overall gun transactions.

27 40% More Electrolytes!

28 Get him to explain the gun show loophole. Isn't horrific how citizens can sell their guns to a licensed firearms dealer?

29 Not only is it a bogus statistic (and BOY is it a bogus statistic), but it's an OLD bogus statistic    from 1997.  That's     fifteen years ago!    If they're going to try and take away my Constitutional rights, can they at least do it with    statistics gathered AFTER the most recent crop of high school    juniors     were born?

30

IIRC, this is the number Brady had cooked up over 20 years ago.  Bullshit then, bigger bullshit now.

31 40% of the cocks sucked by David Gregory are uncircumcised. FORTY PERCENT GOOGLE IT PEOPLE

32 Facts be damned, agenda full speed ahead Gregory!

33 Libs are liars.  It's hard wired in the DNA. 

34 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

35 What do you expect from a guy who looks like an albino ape?

36 Was the vid of Mika's little ball less bitch saying that pro-2a folks want to give guns to rapists and felons posted?

37 "40% of gun sales occur w/o a background check" Does this include the crips? Bloods? MS-13? Etc., etc., etc.? Since the huge balance of gun violence is committed by people who commit crime on a regular basis, what is the fucking point of 'background checks?' Do they think they're going to write a law that will keep guns out of the hands of these people? Let them tell me how many professional criminals will be caught and deterred in any proposed gun control scheme, and then I'll listen. Until then, choke on it.

38 /sock

39 Monkey Boy has trouble with numbers.  They're not his friends.

40

So who will be the first prominent Pubbie to refute DG's false reporting to his face?  It seems to me to be an easy thing to do. For anyone so inclined, here's how you'd do it.

 

Mythical GOP Figure on his show:  "Good morning, David. I saw on Twitter that you think that 40% of gun sales happen without a background check. That statistic isn't close to being accurate.   Would you like to correct the   record now for the benefit of the American public?  Or do you take pride in misleading them?"

41 Libs are liars. It's hard wired in the DNA. Posted by: Fourth Virginia

Otherwise they'd spend all day saying, "You're right.  I was wrong."

42 I like the other hidden premise to that "argument." "You people are untrustworthy. 40% of Americans should not be allowed to own guns."

43 If'n you need something to pep you up, Jim Carrey would like to serenade your penis.

No really.

44 I don't get it. Gregory says 40% of firearms *sales* occur without a background check. How does the fact that 30% of the people who acquired firearms either received them as a gift or inherited them contravene Gregory's assertion?

That's comparing the apples of sales alone to the oranges of overall gun transactions.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at March 25, 2013 11:42 AM (xamKk)

 

You have to look at the 30% in conjunction with the    60% of    firearms sales that DID go through an FFL   background check.       Put those two stats together   (60% FFL + 30% gift/inheritance)     and you get 90%   of all firearms acquisitions.       That     leaves AT MOST 10% of sales    or trades that were done without  a background check,   30% fewer (less? I don't know grammar good) than the 40% cited by all these idiots in the MFM.

45 Posted by: Cypriot Banker at March 25, 2013 11:45 AM (MMC8r)

They are using the smashing success of the war on drugs as a template.

46 david why did the doj only bring charges against 1.1% of the criminals that failed the background in 2009 ?

47 Posted this in the last thread, but I think this bears repeating, and it's more relevant here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/23/hitler-gun-control_n_2939511.html
Huffpo: The Jews Should Have Saved Everyone The Trouble And Walked Willingly Into the Gas Chambers

48 It is OK to lie if it supports your agenda. Bonus points if it is scary. Unfortunately, the New Media is starting to do it too. 1.6 billion rounds of ammo bought in the last year turns out to be 150 million. 2700 MRAPs turns out to be 16, but there are still bloggers and conservative sights pushing the bigger scary numbers.

49 Rope + Lamppost + "Journalist"

50 MWR, put something like Gergory in story of the scintillating nymphs?

51 Liberals can't handle math on the level of gov expenditures>gov income. We can't expect them to understand complex ideas like percentages.

52

This is what happens when you let chimpanzees moderate a network shout show. 

 

We need  background  checks to ascertain if a journalist has a   background of feces throwing, face eating, and masturbating furiously in front of groups of 4th graders on field trips.

 

For the children.

53 Give rapists guns - http://tinyurl.com/d6zx5gt

54 Masturbating in front of children is a choice.

55 You'd almost never lose money betting that a "fact" or statistic coming from the anti-gun crowd is either intentionally misleading or a flat lie.

I've lost track of all the dishonest "facts" that the MSM parroted after getting a Brady Campaign press release.

Remember the "70% of gun show dealers are unlicensed" one?  Yeah- they were counting tables selling knifes and accessories (but not guns) as dealers in a deliberate attempt to mislead.

56 What do you expect from a guy who looks like an albino ape?

Posted by: Dang at March 25, 2013 11:44 AM (R18D0)

 

The gray apes from Michael Crichton's "Congo" would like to lodge the following complaint:

 

That ass-faced cocksucker is no relation of OURS.       Further     innuendo of this sort will result in civil charges of slander and libel     being     brought in civil court.

 

Yours,

The Gray Gorillas

 

PS -    It's obvious he's some sort      of weasel.

57 These are the people who would be outraged if they were told that 20% of all vacation days are Mondays.

58

You know what percentage of people just accept whatever number you throw at them without bothering to check?

 

Yep, 40%. 

59 Has anyone ever actually tried to enforce the laws that are already on the books first before we pass new ones that nobody can or will enforce?

60 These are the people who would be outraged if they were told that 20% of all vacation days are Mondays.


20% of sickdays are on Friday. Slackers!

61 MWR, put something like Gergory in story of the scintillating nymphs?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 11:48 AM (iGhmo)

 

Only if you want to add some buffoonish comic relief    that ends with him tripping over his own chin and falling headfirst into a volcano.

62 Wait, scintillating nymphs?  What did I miss now?

63

The Statistician's Blues

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMQdtyot38s

64 Huffpo: The Jews Should Have Saved Everyone The Trouble And Walked Willingly Into the Gas Chambers Posted by: Ranba Ral at March 25, 2013 11:47 AM (G99e4) That was Gandhi's position on the subject.

65 Sasha and Malia Obama are quietly vacationing at the Atlantis resort on Paradise Island in the Bahamas, Breitbart News has learned. A source tipped Breitbart News off to the First Daughters’ spring vacation, which was not publicly announced or reported. Breitbart subsequently confirmed President Barack Obama’s daughters’ trip with other sources. Both the White House and the Atlantis resort declined to confirm the report or comment, but another guest provided a photograph of Sasha and Malia at the resort. Social media, including Twitter and Facebook, have also carried reports of the First Daughters' presence at Atlantis. One person who is at the resort wrote: “Rumor confirmed: friends saw the first daughters with a gaggle of friends being escorted to the held elevator.” Via Twitter, another person wrote: “Obama daughters at the same restaurant as me...in the bahamas.” A third tweeted that she was excited to see Sasha and Malia at Club Crush, the Bahamian resort’s nightclub for teenagers: “OBAMA'S DAUGHTERS SMILED AND WAVED AT ME. I WAS IN THE SAME ROOM AS OBAMA'S DAUGHTERS.” Atlantis describes Club Crush as the “ultimate nightclub for teens ages 13 to 17 and tweens ages 9 to 13 vacationing on Paradise Island.” Another hotel guest tweeted a photograph of what she said was the motorcade for "the Obama crew": On holiday breaks my daughters would vacation at my house, splash around in the tub, and party in our club in the kitchen?

66 Has anyone ever actually tried to enforce the laws that are already on the books first before we pass new ones that nobody can or will enforce? Apparently, from what I've heard on the radio this morning, Chicago is dead last in enforcement of federal gun laws.

67 Tangentially related: Headline on Drudge - 360,000 MOAR ROUNDS under a pic of Big Sis.

68 100% of illegal gun sales between criminals no background check is performed.
No legislation is going to change that.

69 Monkey Mug has better comedy chops than I gave him credit for.

70

"Masturbating in front of children is a choice."

 

Correct.  It is protected by a penumbra of unenumerated private monkey spanking rights   in the 1st, 9th, and14th Ammendments. 

71

So propagandists also sell the propaganda that they are journalists. Go figure.

 

PS - It's obvious he's some sort of weasel.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 25, 2013 11:52 AM (4df7R)

 

Crapweasel, no doubt.

72 Wait, scintillating nymphs? What did I miss now?

Posted by: CUS at March 25, 2013 11:54 AM (84pE9)

Anna's writing a story about girls living next to a nuclear waste dump site getting super powers when the containment fails and turning into nymphs.  Their said superpowers give them bodies straight out of a comic book and a hunger for men, but they only use them for good.

73 That was Gandhi's position on the subject.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 25, 2013 11:55 AM (29+x5)

For somebody universally (at least in this country) revered by "all the right people", Gandhi said some bone-crunchingly dumbfuck things.

74 "You have to look at the 30% in conjunction with the 60% of firearms sales that DID go through an FFL background check. Put those two stats together (60% FFL + 30% gift/inheritance) and you get 90% of all firearms acquisitions. That leaves AT MOST 10% of sales or trades that were done without a background check, 30% fewer (less? I don't know grammar good) than the 40% cited by all these idiots in the MFM." You're comparing apples and oranges. Let's say that there are 1000 legal gun transactions, including sales, inheritance, gifts, etc. 30% of them, or 300, are gifts/inheritance. That leaves 700 as sales. Of those 700, 60%, or 420, are done with a background check. That leaves 280, or 28% of the original, that are done without a background check, according to Gregory. I don't know if he's right or not, but you are incorrect when you add up the 30% of all gun transactions as gifts with the 60% of all firearms sales and then claim that that leaves only 10% done without a background check.

75

From the truly despicable HuffPo link posted   in     comment 47:

 

"...In the months since the Newtown, Conn., school massacre, some gun rights supporters have repeatedly compared U.S. gun control efforts to Nazi restrictions on firearms, arguing that limiting weapons ownership could leave Americans defenseless against homegrown tyrants.

 

But some experts say that argument distorts a complex and contrary history. In reality, scholars say, Hitler loosened the tight gun laws that governed Germany after World War I, even as he barred Jews from owning weapons and moved to confiscate them.

 

Advocates who cite Hitler in the current U.S. debate overlook that Jews in 1930s Germany were a very small population, owned few guns before the Nazis took control, and lived under a dictatorship commanding overwhelming public support and military might, historians say. While it doesn't fit neatly into the modern-day gun debate, they say, the truth is that for all Hitler's unquestionably evil acts, his firearms laws likely made no difference in Jews' very tenuous odds of survival.

 

"]b]Objectively, it might have made things worse" if the Jews who fought the Nazis in the 1943 Warsaw ghetto uprising in Poland had more and better guns, said historian Steve Paulsson, an expert on the period whose Jewish family survived the city's destruction..."

 

Yes, that's right.   It's a damn good thing    the Jews    didn't have more guns to defend themselves,    because then they might have made Hitler ANGRY, and he'd have killed EVEN MORE of them.

 

Unbe-fucking-lievable.  

 

I can't even read the rest of the "story."   I am too disgusted to breathe.

76 zsasz, why should you be shocked by Chicago's lack of enforcement?  After all Joe 'Bidet' Biden has already admitted most gun laws are not enforced.

CUS, look up Camp NaNoWriMo.  Perhaps you will be inspired to write a story for it like what MWR and I are talking about.

77 Howdy Doody's face + Phil Donahue's hair = David Gregory.

78

Has anyone ever actually tried to enforce the laws that are already on the books first before we pass new ones that nobody can or will enforce?

 

I was surfing the headlines  this morning and ran across  this one: Wayne LaPierre asks why no one is reporting that Chicago ranks dead last in  federal  gun law enforcement.

 

Sounds about right. I keep  hearing DiFi's vapid assertion that Congress is supposed to be a law mill, cranking them out with alacrity. It's their job, dontchaknow.

 

And never does any  Congresscritter ever  acknowledge   that each  new law they create restricts our freedom. That dripping sound you hear is our liberty being swept away.  It's sad when the people we elect   understand principle about as  well as they do firearm statistics.

79 EC; perhaps MWR, you, and myself should co-write this story...

80 For somebody universally (at least in this country) revered by "all the right people", Gandhi said some bone-crunchingly dumbfuck things.

Tell me about it.

81 On holiday breaks my daughters would vacation at my house, splash around in the tub, and party in our club in the kitchen?

Yeah, but you're not a New Royal.

82

"I can't even read the rest of the "story." I am too disgusted to breathe."

 

If you can't breathe, you can't blow your rape whistle.  You should probably just piss yourself for your own safety.

83 Dear Leader's gun control will reduce gun ownership by 3000%.

So speaketh our Lord and Savior Obama.

84 Winnie Mandela and her sports team introduced to South Africa the fad of 'necklaces' as not being a fashion statement.

85
This all reminds me of the obamacare push, full court press, make any deal with any legislator to get what they want.  All the leftist media, all the time on it.  A few key Repubs crossing that well carpeted aisle to grab their caviar, lobster claw and jumbo shrimp.

86 76 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 25, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R) The half-starved Jews of the Warsaw ghetto, most under the age of 20, were initially armed with a few pistols and molotov cocktails. They held off German police units and then Wehrmacht for 2 weeks. But had they been armed with rifles and automatic weapons, they would have been defeated within mere moments. Yeah, that makes sense. The leftists make my hair hurt.

87

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at March 25, 2013 11:58 AM (xamKk)

 

Did you actually bother to read Caruso's piece?   The 30% is taken right off the top, which leaves 70% for purchases   (those numbers are rounded, btw).

 

So letÂ’s look at those numbers more closely. 73% of gun owners say they purchased their firearms  (MWR:  This is discounting the 30% inheritance/gift acquisitions).    Of that, 63% (not 60%) were purchased through the mail, at a gun store, a pawn shop or other store (other would be Wal-Mart, Gander Mountain, DickÂ’s Sporting Goods, etc.).

 

The 63% is not 63% of 70%.   It's 63% of 100%.

88 Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at March 25, 2013 11:58 AM (xamKk)

http://youtu.be/Bfq5kju627c

89

35What do you expect from a guy who looks like an albino ape?

 

 

He's a type of weasel.

90 If you throw in all the guns from fast n furious, oit is indeed 40+%.  (Oh wait -- Holder told me that F N F never happened.)

91
Oh btw, even if it was 40%, my comment is "so what"?

Ya know what it should be?  100% no background check.

92 EC; perhaps MWR, you, and myself should co-write this story...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 12:00 PM (iGhmo)

Once upon a time...

Long, long ago...

It was a dark and stormy night...

93 If you can't breathe, you can't blow your rape whistle. You should probably just piss yourself for your own safety.

Posted by: Jaws at March 25, 2013 12:01 PM (4I3Uo)

 

That story has made my bile rise to the point that I think vomiting on my rapist would be best all around.

94 JJ Sefton, facts don't matter to those types.  They are smug in the belief the future belongs to them so all is good in warfare.  Until they are rudely put against the wall and shot by the real monsters.  But by then the rest of us are already in the thousands of concentration and work camps.

95 48 It is OK to lie if it supports your agenda. Bonus points if it is scary. Unfortunately, the New Media is starting to do it too. 1.6 billion rounds of ammo bought in the last year turns out to be 150 million. 2700 MRAPs turns out to be 16, but there are still bloggers and conservative sights pushing the bigger scary numbers. ________________________________________ Care to site a source for that one? I haven't heard the DHS bullet numbers disputed here or elsewhere?

96

For somebody universally (at least in this country) revered by "all the right people", Gandhi said some bone-crunchingly dumbfuck things.

 

And  he was a fucking asshole.

97

What percentage of guns currently known  (or estimated)   to be owned are ever used in  the commission of a violent crime?

 

I know it won't be a number that will scare the public, but it's a more "accurate" number for the whole "gun control" argument.

98 In the end, these assholes are guilty of insurrection against the constitution and should be swinging from lamp posts.

99

Colonel Ernesto Bella:  Yes... yes. Go to the sporting goods store. From the files obtain forms 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons, and lists of private ownership.

100 JoeSchmoe, it doesn't matter. They are counting every transaction as a "sale" on purpose, in my opinion, to bolster the argument for universal registration. How else can you track person to person sales and inheritance?

101 40% seems low.

102 76

That was my reaction, but I forced my way through it so I'd have all my bases covered in case the libs on my facebook feed took issue.

My stance is it'd be better to fight and be wiped out (and honestly, they gave a better showing with a couple hundred guys with old crap guns and no chance of resupply than ENTIRE NATIONS with then modern armies did up to that point), than to be stuck in a giant holding facility, starving to death with everyone  you know and love, that's just a temporary holding facility till they could get you rounded up and put in the smaller, more efficient murder-factories.

103

1.6 billion rounds of ammo bought in the last year turns out to be 150 million. 2700 MRAPs turns out to be 16, but there are still bloggers and conservative sights pushing the bigger scary numbers.

 

Those numbers are when you break them down by Department, idiot.  And that's just ONE department.

104

97 -

 

Even worse, he was a lawyer. 

105 He was just counting the Fast and Furious guns....

106

36Was the vid of Mika's little ball less bitch saying that pro-2a folks want to give guns to rapists and felons posted?

 

 

Are felons and rapists not due constitutional rights? If they cannot be trusted with the reight to bear arms, then they need to remain imprisoned.

107 I can't even read the rest of the "story." I am too disgusted to breathe. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 25, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R) To them Tuvia, Zus, Asael and Aron Bielski were troublemakers. Fuck 'em.

108 Tangentially related: Headline on Drudge - 360,000 MOAR ROUNDS under a pic of Big Sis. Here's my problem with these- what they're buying are anti-personnel rounds. That article that circulates from time to time about how "that's not really that many bullets..." has a major flaw- it assumes they'll be using these rounds for practice. Ummm... who uses hollow-points for practice? I don't, they're too expensive.

109

Even worse, he was a lawyer.

 

 

The most fuckingest assholes of all!

110 You guys and your damn facts.

111 Ummm... who uses hollow-points for practice? I don't, they're too expensive.


This is the govt.

112 That was Gandhi's position on the subject. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 25, 2013 11:55 AM (29+x5) Yes, Ghandi the pro-gun pacifist. How does that work?

113 Wait a minute... Obama-Soetero supporters think background checks are a good idea?!

114 'It was a stormy night in Asse when the catastrophe happened, not truly pitch black darkness since the glow of the full Moon sometimes broke through the storm clouds to illuminate what was a peaceful and green region of Germany where many innocents slept unaware of what disaster was about to befall them.'

Should I submit that to Butler this year?

115 Background checks, good. Voter ID - Bad, RAAAACCCIIIIISSSSTTT!!!!!!

116 Ummm... who uses hollow-points for practice? I don't, they're too expensive. If I paid for them, though, you might.

117

  Ummm... who uses hollow-points for practice? I don't, they're too expensive.

 

 

 

It's not like these agencies are paying for them or anything.

118 Here's my problem with these- what they're buying are anti-personnel rounds. That article that circulates from time to time about how "that's not really that many bullets..." has a major flaw- it assumes they'll be using these rounds for practice. Ummm... who uses hollow-points for practice? I don't, they're too expensive.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 25, 2013 12:09 PM (4OvDk)

 

I find it amusing that anyone thinks these people actually BOTHER to practice.   Given the shoddy marksmanship shown by the LAPD during the Big Burly Black Guy manhunt, I find it hard to believe that federal "agents" who are called upon far less often to     use their weapons would somehow practice MORE than local police.   

119 Ha ha! They cite the Warsaw uprising in Poland but conveniently leave out the Bielski Brothers who resisted, fled to the forest and created a place of refuge for Jews while waging war against the Nazis.

120 Even worse, he was a lawyer.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 25, 2013 12:08 PM (TOk1P)

 

Paging AmishDude!   AmishDude, please acknowledge!

121 If they cannot be trusted with the reight to bear arms, then they need to remain imprisoned. Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 25, 2013 12:08 PM (UrENZ) No argument from me. Take a gander at Charleston Thug Life. Those violent shits have long ass records and the judge still lets them off easy. Majority should all be serving for a LONG time.

122 who uses hollow-points for practice? I don't, they're too expensive.

Hehehehe...

You think we care about what it costs???  It's not OUR money...

123 Posted by: EC at March 25, 2013 12:09 PM (GQ8sn) Okay, so its in the realm of the possible. Unfortunately, most police don't get to the range that often anyway (per my CHL instructor- anecdote != data, of course). Can it be that many more of the Fed "police" agencies that do? I tend to think not.

124 From one of the comments from that HuffPo link: "The real menace to the Jews was the incessant, demonizing hatred from Nazi-dominated media with the Jews being unable to give any retort to it. Jews had no chance to explain what their religion was, express that the majority of the Christian Bible is Jewish texts, state that the Jesus that Christians recognize as Savior is Jewish, or make clear that Jewish ethics are identical to Christian ethics. They could not defend themselves by showing that what the Nazis did was a violation of the shared ethical basis of Judaism and Christianity." Really? You think that a people who were, on the whole, much more biblically literate than modern Americans had no *^*%@ idea much of the Christian Bible is Jewish? You think they didn't know at least as much as you, guy who thinks Jewish ethics and Christian ethics are identical (eye for eye vs. love your enemies, circumcision, dietary restrictions....)?

125 >> Ummm... who uses hollow-points for practice? I don't, they're too expensive. You may have noticed that the federal government doesn't pinch pennies.

126 >>>Wait a minute... Obama-Soetero supporters think background checks are a good idea?!<<<

Why not tack on voter ID / mental health screening for good measure?

127 The federal government spends more money each year on cash payments for disabled former workers than it spends on food stamps and welfare combined.

128 Ummm... who uses hollow-points for practice? I don't, they're too expensive. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 25, 2013 12:09 PM (4OvDk) Well, you don't have a 'no-limit' credit card to be payed off by other peoples grandchildren to buy the expensive ammo.

129 Andy the government does pinch pennies when it comes to the volunteer lead tours of the White House.  Other times not so much.

130

>>>Wait a minute... Obama-Soetero supporters think background checks are a good idea?!<<<

 

Okay!

 

Let's start with Obama's college transcripts and get another gander at that birth certificate.

131 Why not tack on voter ID / mental health screening for good measure? That would kill UBCs: "Sure you can have your universal background check. Here's how we'll do it, every citizen shall submit to a universal background check and be issued a Federal Government Id. This Id will suffice for background check purposes (subject only to verification of its validity) for any purpose- employment, purchasing a firearm, whatever. It will also serve as your national voting ID, with proper endorsement."

132 Should I submit that to Butler this year?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 12:10 PM (iGhmo)

We need to decide who the nymphs are and what kind of powers they'll have.  One of them should have a truth detector power that works by making the man put his hands on her boobs as a polygraph.  His body's nervous system and cognitive dissonance state is able to be discerned by making a complete "circuit" with her.

133 >> I find it hard to believe that federal "agents" who are called upon far less often to use their weapons would somehow practice MORE than local police. The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Brunswick, GA, claims it goes through 15 million rounds a year. They have a range and everything.

134 They cite the Warsaw uprising in Poland but conveniently leave out the Bielski Brothers who resisted, fled to the forest and created a place of refuge for Jews while waging war against the Nazis.

Posted by: typo Dynamofo at March 25, 2013 12:12 PM (WVMUQ)

Or other Polish partisans elsewhere who fled to the woods and carried out resistance activities.  Teh stoopid is strong with those dickbreaths.

135 Well, you don't have a 'no-limit' credit card to be payed off by other peoples grandchildren to buy the expensive ammo. That's true, but I'm still not seeing it. See also: I'm not thinking they get out to the range that much. AnnaP- three chapters this weekend: there's an outside chance I finish by Sunday!

136 Follow the bouncing ball here folks: 1. Cops cruise the projects and stop some Black guy on some BS pretext. Terry search (pat down for officer safety) yields the .25 Raven this guy has in his pants because anybody who lives in the projects and doesn't have a gun is asking to be killed. 2. As gun is not registered or Black guy has a record or does not have a concealed carry permit, gun gets cops a search warrant for the Black guy's crib, his car, and anywhere else he routinely stays. 3. Search warrant yields drugs which produce multiple drug arrests. 4. Seized drugs and drug arrest numbers get Cops more federal grant money to fight the war on drugs. 5. Meanwhile, Black guy is out on probation on some BS drug charge because DA has long ago dropped gun charge. 6. Return to step 1.

137 *bangs head into keyboard*

Just to put put the weird meter at 11 or the Japan setting, the nymph with the 'truth detector' power was a man until the Bacchanal he had with a bevy of scintillating nymphs transformed him.

138 We need to decide who the nymphs are and what kind of powers they'll have. One of them should have a truth detector power that works by making the man put his hands on her boobs as a polygraph. His body's nervous system and cognitive dissonance state is able to be discerned by making a complete "circuit" with her.

Posted by: EC at March 25, 2013 12:15 PM (GQ8sn)

 

Well they're radioactive, due to some catastrophic meltdown of a nuclear reactor in the Asse region of   Germany.     That could be the precursor for a slew of superpowered mutations.

139
Okay, so its in the realm of the possible.

Unfortunately, most police don't get to the range that often anyway (per my CHL instructor- anecdote != data, of course). Can it be that many more of the Fed "police" agencies that do?

I tend to think not.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 25, 2013 12:12 PM (4OvDk)

Some of them may, the ones that are more high-speed and take that kind of training seriously.  Others, not so much.

This was brought up before and one of the other commenters said that you should practice with what you use, JHP's.  Can someone more knowledgeable with ballistics tell me with any certainty that there IS a noticeable difference between shooting a 165gr 40SW JHP and a 180gr 40SW FMJ?

140

121 -

 

I just wanted to make sure we were covered in that area, in case he's not around at the moment. 

141

All of us down at the Brattleboro WomanÂ’s Reproductive and Pregnancy Decision Center think that Presdent Obama should raise taxes on people who own guns to 70%. That way peeple will want to get rid of their guns to pay lower taxes, which means lower crime rates, leading to lower hellth care costs. Everybody wins and are children will be safe from rite wing idiots trying to shoot up schools to make Presdent Obama look weak.

142 40% of David Gregory's face is an oversized mandible.

143 Just to put put the weird meter at 11 or the Japan setting, the nymph with the 'truth detector' power was a man until the Bacchanal he had with a bevy of scintillating nymphs transformed him.

LOL!

144

Andy the government does pinch pennies when it comes to the volunteer lead tours of the White House. Other times not so much.

 

We'll see some  major penny-pinching when the gubmint starts paying for our health care.

145 The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Brunswick, GA, claims it goes through 15 million rounds a year. They have a range and everything.

Posted by: Andy at March 25, 2013 12:15 PM (49lPc)

 

Okay, so that's 15 million rounds for all FLE trainees.

 

Now,    about the     rest of those 1.6   billion      rounds...

146 I only have 62 guns and 25,000 rounds of ammo, not counting those buried and lost in boating accidents. Sheriff Tommy told me I had more guns and ammo than any police in a 300 mile radius. Come pry them out my cold dead hands. I dares ya!

147

How much do they think the gun crime numbers will change if they do this?  The  statistic  for gun deaths is the lowest it's been since 1981:

 

http://is.gd/P9fU8w

148 75% of the world's weasels are LGBT.

149 Universal background checks have as much to do with gun safety as a national health record data base has to do with healthcare. These lying commies have herding inclinations that rival certain breeds of dogs and muzzies, but I repeat myself.

150

How much do they think the gun crime numbers will change if they do this?

 

"Gun crime will go to ZERO PERCENT !!!1!1eleventy!"

-Assholes on the    left

151 *pauses at a thought*

Silly Social Democrat tool holds up a sign outside the German Army's attempts to contain the nymphs.  "Save the Nymphs!"  or "Nymphs: Menace or Misunderstood."

Next to the male SD tool is an unkempt and hair armpit SD female tool holding up a sign reading "Death to the Nymphs!" while glaring at the guy.

152 Thanks for that, MWR. Great read, as always, you sweet thang.

Posted by: M32 Assault Soda at March 25, 2013 12:19 PM (uvaJ1)

 

*primps*

153

Fucking Ghandi.  Wife has pneumonia?  No alien penicillin for her!  Time to die bitch.

 

Oh dear, me, the mighty fucking Ghandi has malaria.  Quick!  Get me the quinine.  Because I'm  Asshole Fucking Ghandi who's allowed!

 

Appendicitis?  No problem for the alien foreign Brit doctors to perform an appendectomy!  Why?  Because I'm Mahatma Fucking Ghandi!  That's fucking why!

 

Oh and my nubile  female teens....time for your  daily  enemas!  Then one of you lucky girls will get to caress my 70 year old ass tonight.  Time to fight for the honour!

 

Fucking perverted fucking dickhead asshole.

154 Silly Social Democrat tool holds up a sign outside the German Army's attempts to contain the nymphs. "Save the Nymphs!" or "Nymphs: Menace or Misunderstood."

Next to the male SD tool is an unkempt and hair armpit SD female tool holding up a sign reading "Death to the Nymphs!" while glaring at the guy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 12:24 PM (iGhmo) /i]

 

lol!    It's like a political cartoon!

 

Should this story have illustrations?   Because that would be a great one.

155

Once again I'm up and having my coffee.  Looking around at the news today.  I'm struck at the sameness of  the overall  attempted  destruction of individualism.  We're teetering over the abyss. 

 

So, I watched  "The Hobbit" over the weekend and I liked it. 

156 I heard that 40% of the time, David Gregory prefers his hookers to be transsexual Hillary Clinton impersonators. 

157

"Can someone more knowledgeable with ballistics tell me with any certainty that there IS a noticeable difference between shooting a 165gr 40SW JHP and a 180gr 40SW FMJ?"

 

Sure.  There  is usually a "felt" difference between hi-zoot carry ammo and range fodder.  It's not enough to sway  most civilians into practicing with the high dollar stuff more than once a blue moon, but we also don't have the luxury of  government printing presses churning out  unbacked cash either.

 

I'm surprised there isn't a $4.5M Star Trek skit about  the topic.

158

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 25, 2013 12:15 PM (4OvDk)

 

 

It took me a LONG time to get past my Libertarian objections to it... but its time for a National ID card...

 

Tie it to voting, citizenship status, Passport... and Mark the ones who cannot get a gun (and only after due process... ie... a judge... not a Dr.).

159 That's a triple dog dare! From the movie "Red Ryder Christmas" that's allowed.

160 And right now John McCain is in closed-door negotiations with someone who has, within the last 72 hours, repeated that 40% lie.

I keeps asking: What makes these people so sure their rights under the law--such as life and liberty--will be protected if they take away my rights under the law?

And why do they think a court of law or an officer of the law will be enough to protect them?

If fundamental, inalienable rights are not protected by the law, then none of the laws will be respected.

Thing is, if you take away a man's rights he may not be so inclined to recognize yours.

Maybe my tolerance is far higher but every man has his limit:

Remember "Live Free or Die?"

161 Can someone more knowledgeable with ballistics tell me with any certainty that there IS a noticeable difference between shooting a 165gr 40SW JHP and a 180gr 40SW FMJ? On a range during a competition - slight. On the street, while trying to put it in a body that is bobbing, weaving, ducking, AND shooting back, WITH the included adrenaline dump from that? None. Which is why cops empty a mag & reload & never realize it.

162 100% of crack sales happen without background checks, FDA approval, or a Doctor's note

163

Mark the ones who cannot get a gun

 

 

 

Who do you suggest gets denied a constitutional right? Can that ID have a check to limit speech as well?

164 Charlie Gibson? Never heard of him.

165 Posted by: Romeo13 at March 25, 2013 12:27 PM (lZBBB) I'm actually not onboard with the National ID thing. I do think the States need to get to it, but the less the Federal Government knows about me, the better. My point is those are both absolute poison pills. Liberals hate National ID and Conservatives hate Universal Background Checks. It's a win-win (or lose-lose, depending on your viewpoint).

166 @ 159 "jaws" you are shooting a 40? Man up and get a 1911.

167 Sure. There is usually a "felt" difference between hi-zoot carry ammo and range fodder. It's not enough to sway most civilians into practicing with the high dollar stuff more than once a blue moon, but we also don't have the luxury of government printing presses churning out unbacked cash either.


But is there some substantial or otherwise significant reason for them NOT to use FMJ ammo instead for training?  Other than money ofcourse.  I'm talking about training proficiency and maintaining it.

168 Can that ID have a check to limit speech as well? Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 25, 2013 12:29 PM (UrENZ) Well if it would shut up my liberal relatives this Passover, where do I sigh up?

169 Charlie Gibson? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Infinite Charlie Gibson Loop at March 25, 2013 12:29 PM (0IhFx)

That's like crossing the wires, you guys!

170 I'm still trying to figure out Candy Crowley's "semi-assault weapons." Since there's no such thing as an assault weapon, is a semi-assault weapon semi-real or even more unreal. My head hurts.

171 Sasha and Malia Obama are quietly vacationing at the Atlantis resort on Paradise Island in the Bahamas

... sequester no where to be found

172 First daughters partying it up with friends in the Bahamas. Think we paid the tab for their friends?

173 Ahem........or beams.

174 Remember "Live Free or Die?"

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 25, 2013 12:27 PM (VjL9S)

 

 

"Live Free or Die; Death is not the worst of Evils."

-General John Stark, 1809

In a written toast on the anniversary of the Battle of Bennington

175 Who do you suggest gets denied a constitutional right? Can that ID have a check to limit speech as well? Well, he did refer to "due process: judge not doctor," so I think he just kind of short-handed it there. I have no problem saying that, for instance, violent criminals have given up their right to carry handguns. You robbed a convenience store at gun/knife point? Well, say goodby to your right to (legally) purchase a firearm. Should have thought of that. I completely reject the idea that people (short of the Big Three mental illnesses, and really not even then, but we can at least talk about those) should have their right removed because "mental health."

176 "Can someone more knowledgeable with ballistics tell me with any certainty that there IS a noticeable difference between shooting a 165gr 40SW JHP and a 180gr 40SW FMJ? " Less a ballistic difference, more of a bullet performance difference in your target. If your shooting softer tissue, the the former will expand more and penetrate less; if your target is harder, say a boar or bear, the latter will penetrate deeper.

177 Who do you suggest gets denied a constitutional right? Can that ID have a check to limit speech as well?

 

 

Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 25, 2013 12:29 PM (UrENZ)

 

 

I'd say violent Felons after they get out of jail, or those who are NOT Citizens.... and thats about it... but thats me (I know they'll get a gun if they want anyway.... but it would at least slow them down a little bit...).

178 The original nymphs are nuclear powered spawns of trees contaminated by the original spill.  They embody Gaia's fury at Man raping the countryside and use their wiles, alluring female shapes, and powers to seduce humans of all sexual orientations.  If enough nymphs participate a new sister is born but she must stay powered by sex....

That should be truly weird enough and also give the survivors a chink in the armor to stop the assimilation.

179 Posted by: RWC at March 25, 2013 12:31 PM (fWAjv)

No doubt in my mind whatsoever.

180 Less a ballistic difference, more of a bullet performance difference in your target. If your shooting softer tissue, the the former will expand more and penetrate less; if your target is harder, say a boar or bear, the latter will penetrate deeper.


I meant in the context of training.  Is there any reason NOT to use the FMJ ammo for training, then use the JHP for carry/duty?

181

So, let's recap:

 

Gun Murders in 2010  - 11,078

Gun Injuries (nonfatal) - 55,544

Aggravated Assault w/gun - 138,336

Robberies w/gun - 112,300

----------------------------------------------

Grand total of gun crimes - 327,258

Number of abortions performed by Planned Parenthood ALONE - 333,964

(Total number of abortions performed estimated at 1,200,000)

 

Remind me again - which one of these is more dangerous to human health?

182 40%: Enough to seem like a lot, but too small to immediately set off BS detectors. Yep. Gotta be true.

183 That should be truly weird enough and also give the survivors a chink in the armor to stop the assimilation.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2013 12:33 PM (iGhmo)

 

Very nice!   And, may I say, EXCEPTIONALLY Japanese in its thought process and execution.       Omedetou!

184

Assault Journalism!!!

 

I still say we do a Million Mag March.  Everyone show up at the Washington Monument and dump 30 round magazines with the DC AG's letter.

 

First Amendment and Second Amendment protest.  Perfect!!!!!

185 I'm sure this has been brought up but I am utterly certain there is a significant portion of Out Betters who have no idea that those who inherit guns or receive them as a gift do not have to go through a background check to receive their weapons. I am equally convinced that being informed of this, they will promptly deem that a loophole.

186 First daughters partying it up with friends in the Bahamas.


Think we paid the tab for their friends?

Posted by: RWC at March 25, 2013 12:31 PM (fWAjv)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Nah.  They saved all that money from their allowances and from their toil in the WH garden.  

187

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 25, 2013 12:29 PM (4OvDk)

 

I think we need a National clearinghouse of Voter Registration data... and tie it to Citizenship....

 

But I also think we need to get rid of Abscentee ballots except for Deployed Military.... make Election day a national Holiday, and keep the polls open for 24 hours... but you HAVE to vote in person.

188 Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at March 25, 2013 12:34 PM (xAtAj)


Hold the phone....I thought you had 74% more DOOM!?  That's what it said in the ONT stats.

189

This is OT, but   while we're on the subject of jackass MFM personalities,   is anyone else grinning like a Cheshire Cat over Matt Lauer's continuing travails at the "Today" show?      Because I am loving every minute of it.  I don't even    watch the show (because I have self-respect)    and I'm STILL giddy to    read about him squirming around like    the slimy goat turd he is.

 

http://nymag.com/news/features/today-show-hosts-2013-4/

190 If enough nymphs participate a new sister is born but she must stay powered by sex....


First print run:  sold out.

191 >> Now, about the rest of those 1.6 billion rounds... It's not like those are sitting on a shelf somewhere. It's the upper limit in an IDIQ contract.

192 Blatant lies from unprosecuted gun-felon and possbile Harry Reid pederasty associate David Gregory? Unpossible, you guys!

193 "were purchased through the mail,"
=========
Oh really? Since that's been illegal since JFK forgive me if I call that a fucking lie.


(LHO is alleged to have bought his rifle via catalog--and he couldn't have gotten a gun otherwise dontca know?)

194 I am equally convinced that being informed of this, they will promptly deem that a loophole.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at March 25, 2013 12:35 PM (VtjlW)

 

Absolutely.

195 Think we paid the tab for their friends? Posted by: RWC at March 25, 2013 12:31 PM (fWAjv) Tangentially sure we are

196 EC should write the short story recounting how German scientists used their students as guinea pigs to find out the critical mass number of nymphs is needed to transform.

197 It's not like those are sitting on a shelf somewhere. It's the upper limit in an IDIQ contract.

Posted by: Andy at March 25, 2013 12:37 PM (49lPc)

 

Yes, I know that.   But as has been mentioned previously, A) they're largely anti-personnel rounds, and B) why the hell are they buying them up NOW?  

198 EC should write the short story recounting how German scientists used their students as guinea pigs to find out the critical mass number of nymphs is needed to transform.

Didn't the Euros say it was three?

199 AlextheChick, of course they will deem it a loophole that needs to be closed.  Unless it impacts the Kennedys - oh wait they kill with cars or the Kerry clatch, then the betters get exemptions or is that indulgences?

200 I meant in the context of training. Is there any reason NOT to use the FMJ ammo for training, then use the JHP for carry/duty? No. No reason.

201 Well I fully understand why the WH tours had to be cancelled.... Like the poster above mentioned the little moochettes  needed the money to go on Vacay....

202 I completely reject the idea that people (short of the Big Three mental illnesses, and really not even then, but we can at least talk about those) should have their right removed because "mental health." Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 25, 2013 12:32 PM (4OvDk) If an individual is batshit crazy (technical medical term), and has uttered threats against others, or threatened suicide, or is in a pattern of bizarre and disturbing behavior, an intervenor should be able to go before a judge and ask for a ruling that said individual's right to own and acquire weapons be suspended until such time as his mental health improves to a stable and functional level. The subject of such a hearing should have full legal representation, and be able to call and/or cross-examine witnesses. Due process. Any weapons seized should be held for safekeeping until such time as the order is rescinded.

203 Oh and the nymphs need to be able to all combine together like a cheerleader pyramid and transform into a much larger nymph with even greater super powers.  Call it the "Super Dimensional Nymph". 

204 EC, I ain't touching that concept with a 10 meter pole...  no siree....

No 'Wonder Twin powers activate!' please.

205 It's not like those are sitting on a shelf somewhere. It's the upper limit in an IDIQ contract.

Posted by: Andy at March 25, 2013 12:37 PM (49lPc)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

I would like to see that purchase compared to say, I don't know, the military small-arms ammo orders.  Might be  interesting.

206 I meant in the context of training. Is there any reason NOT to use the FMJ ammo for training, then use the JHP for carry/duty?


No. No reason.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2013 12:41 PM (GFM2b)

Then they're pissing away more money than they need to.  Which is expected.

207 How dare we question the obama daughters' vacation locale. How dare we question the senior obama's choice of vacation locale. In times of need, don't we want our betters to be vacationing on the public dime.

208 >> A) they're largely anti-personnel rounds They're hollowpoints. Because ideally, you shoot what you carry on duty. And when you're not mingching pennies, you can do this. If you have a bad mag or something that doesn't feed your duty ammo reliably, you want to figure this out on the range. I mean, hell, if someone else was buying it, I'd never shoot anything but Speer Gold Dot, which is what I carry in my H&K. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

209 I meant in the context of training. Is there any reason NOT to use the FMJ ammo for training, then use the JHP for carry/duty? Posted by: EC at March 25, 2013 12:33 PM (GQ8sn) You expect government employees to NOT get them mixed up?

210 209 How dare we question the obama daughters' vacation locale. How dare we question the senior obama's choice of vacation locale. In times of need, don't we want our betters to be vacationing on the public dime.

Posted by: ejo at March 25, 2013 12:43 PM (GXvSO)

  But I'm sure they paid for their accommodations... Just not for the jet and the hundred secret service men and equipment...

211 EC, I ain't touching that concept with a 10 meter pole... no siree....

No 'Wonder Twin powers activate!' please.


No, it's Voltron or Robotech.  They combine and transform and shoot beams out of their....

212

I am equally convinced that being informed of this, they will promptly deem that a loophole.

 

Oh, and in    addition to considering it a loophole,   government will levy a fine against the estate of anyone who bequeathes a firearm to an individual deemed    "ineligible" to own one.   So if Uncle Jack passes away at the age of 95 and leaves his beloved Colt  -- the Colt he himself got from his    own father   when he was sixteen --        to his    great-nephew Joey, age 35,  and Joey just happens to have done a stint in the tanty for stealing a car    for a joyride    when he was eighteen, well,  INFRACTION!    Uncle Jack's entire     estate will be hit for a fine equal to 25% or more     of its worth, and the Colt will be confiscated.

 

Just you wait and see.

213 It's not like those are sitting on a shelf somewhere. It's the upper limit in an IDIQ contract. 360,000 to be delivered to FLETC in Artesia, NM. The same destination for 240,000 rounds purchased just last month. Per Drudge.

214 EC, go play with your Aphrodite X action figure with the working boobeh missiles.

215 They're hollowpoints. Because ideally, you shoot what you carry on duty. And when you're not pinching pennies, you can do this.


Are we pinching pennies or not?  I'm having trouble figuring this out.

216 Question for the horde:

If you're a FFL dealer at a gun show, do used gun sales still require a background check? 

What transfers don't require a check?  Private sales, right?  To be private you have to be a non-FFL.  If you sell more than some small number of guns, you have to have a FFL, right, like ten?

I'd google, but so many places have the OMG GUNZ people putting up fake info.  Gov't sites are un-navigable.

217 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 25, 2013 12:41 PM (29+x5) There are lots of problems with that- more than just letting them have the guns. 1: "Until such time as his mental health improves..." by whose estimation? 2: "weapons... should be held for safekeeping" sorry, I don't trust the government with that. I know the hell people have to go through to get their illegally confiscated property back, I can only imagine what special hell would be involved in getting legally confiscated property back. The fact is that the law is, and should be, reactionary. We wait until the bad guy has committed the crime. Yes, this means that sometimes that bad guy kills someone, but if we don't want to live in a complete police state, that's the bargain we have to accept. And as for being "batshit crazy," why does it matter if they're crazy or not if they have also "uttered threats against others, or threatened suicide, or is in a pattern of bizarre and disturbing behavior?" What, philosophically, is different between someone who is utterly sane and someone who is not when they've done those same things. Uttering an at-all-credible threat against people is already illegal.

218 I would like to see that purchase compared to say, I don't know, the military small-arms ammo orders. Might be interesting. 24 years worth of Iraq War levels. In a "hot" theater.

219 EC, go play with your Aphrodite X action figure with the working boobeh missiles....

....with a compass in the stock!!!

220 >> 360,000 to be delivered to FLETC in Artesia, NM. The same destination for 240,000 rounds purchased just last month. Per Drudge. Like I said, the FLETC in Georgia goes through 15 million rounds a year.

221 Sorry, Andy, those answers boil down too much to "trust the government." They spent all my trust and then some already. I'll keep my healthy level of skepticism.

222 bonhomme, IIRC when I purchased a WWII rifle at a gun show from a dealer they ran a background check before selling the weapon.

EC I really don't want to know what you call a stock...

223 >> If you're a FFL dealer at a gun show, do used gun sales still require a background check? Yes >> What transfers don't require a check? Private sales, right? Yes >> If you sell more than some small number of guns, you have to have a FFL, right, like ten? Not sure what the number is, but my grandfather got into the gun business in the '80s after the local ATF kindly suggested he might be buying and selling enough to require an FFL.

224 interesting the anti colonist sent his kids to a colony for vacation.....

225

They're hollowpoints. Because ideally, you shoot what you carry on duty. And when you're not pinching pennies, you can do this.

 

A) They should damn well be pinching pennies, because Sequestermageddon.  I work in State government, and I'm not even allowed to     use   colored paper except for very special occasions    because of the cost,     sequester or no sequester.      I realize shooting    people     and collating reports are different things, but in either case we're talking about spending other people's money.   Pinch the g-ddamn pennies.      And yes, I know they won't because they're the fucking government.   Tough shit.      Tell them to pinch 'em anyway.

 

B) I would personally like a rundown of    purchases for the past five to ten years   involving ammunition and weapons for all of these departments.   I want to know what they usually buy and how it's   used.

226 24 years worth of Iraq War levels.
In a "hot" theater.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2013 12:47 PM (GFM2b)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

I'd like to see it more specific.  Like the number of rounds actually delivered on an annual basis for both.  I don't have the faintest clue on where to start  looking.

227 PG, he despises the concept of Colonialism but enjoys the trappings of it while telling himself some rationalization of it being payback.

228 Good move you little idiots. gave away Presdent Obama's daughter location. What if something happens to them and we have to go to war to help them. You peeple are so stooped when it comes to are National Secretity. Let them enjoy themselves while they are young because they will face many problems from Bush's policies because they are woman of color. I hope they are safe and return home safely because we need Presdent obama's mind to be cleer to help us that need him.

229 >> They should damn well be pinching pennies, because Sequestermageddon. Slight reductions in the rate of growth just mean you can't buy as many rounds as you planned to. You can still buy more than you did last year. Man, are we doomed.

230

Slight reductions in the rate of growth just mean you can't buy as many rounds as you planned to. You can still buy more than you did last year.

 

Yeah, I know.   Too bad.   Tell them to do it anyway.

231 40% works if you include the guns sold to drug dealers from drug dealers for a kg of uncut crack.

The 40% gun has had 8 owners in the last 3 months and have been used in at least 3 homicides and used to beat someone to death with when it jammed. It jams after the 4th bullet as it has not been cleaned in 3 years. It has DNA from all 4 murder victims and at least 10 owners. It was tossed in the river sometime in the 90's and spent all winter under water. It was stolen from a legal gun dealer when Clinton was in office.

But one new law will get that gun off the streets and stop the illegal gun trade like one new law will stop all homicide by guns and the whole drug trade.

232 Can someone more knowledgeable with ballistics tell me with any certainty that there IS a noticeable difference between shooting a 165gr 40SW JHP and a 180gr 40SW FMJ?

I'm not your guy RE knowledgeable about ballistics.  I can tell you though that when I shoot range ammo, I also shoot any carry ammo I've carried for more than three months.  I can feel the difference between 165gr 40SW FMJ and a 180gr 40SW JHP.

233 What, philosophically, is different between someone who is utterly sane and someone who is not when they've done those same things. Uttering an at-all-credible threat against people is already illegal. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 25, 2013 12:47 PM (4OvDk) Because genuinely crazy people lack the necessary restraint that keeps sane people from following through on stupid whims. Real mental illness is a tragedy to the victim, and to the victim's associates and family. As far as I'm concerned, anyone sufficiently crazy to have their weapons rights suspended probably should be institutionalized, so it's kind of a moot point anyway. Except that they don't institutionalize crazy people as much as they ought to.

234 Like I said, the FLETC in Georgia goes through 15 million rounds a year.

Posted by: Andy at March 25, 2013 12:47 PM (wzrVp)

 

 

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Since you seem so authoritative on this subject, I'll ask  you once again.  How does this compare with small-arms  ammo puchases and usage with the military?  Surely you have  some idea.

235 >> How does this compare with small-arms ammo puchases and usage with the military? Surely you have some idea. I haven't looked into it. But I will.

236  

   Google Glynco.  ( it's the FLETC)

   They use 15 million rounds per year training.  Of this, 70% is FRANGIBLE  ammo.

   Does this sound like "practice with what you use"?

237 I'd like to see it more specific. Like the number of rounds actually delivered on an annual basis for both. I don't have the faintest clue on where to start looking.

Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2013 12:51 PM (P4MEQ)

 

Good luck.   Trying to navigate the fed gov   websites to find the budget you want to actually investigate is mind-numbingly insane.  And if you find it, you'd better hope the link isn't broken    because good luck tracking it down otherwise.    Thanks to the shifting around that so many departments go through   due    to    reorganization and the like,   if a web master doesn't remember to update ALL the links to ALL of the documents assigned to a specific web domain    you'll get broken links up the ying yang.       The most recent reports will probably be fine, but historical    items are finicky at best.

 

ARRRGH!

238 I would like to see that purchase compared to say, I don't know, the military small-arms ammo orders. Might be interesting. Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2013 12:42 PM (P4MEQ) Apparently under 2 billion- "A single plant, dating from World War 2, still provides almost all of the US militaryÂ’s small arms ammunition (up to 12.7mm). The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Missouri has been operated by ATK for a long time, and was the USAÂ’s only facility until recently. Ammunition shortages forced the Army to add General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems in St Petersburg, FL as a limited 2nd supplier in 2005. That effort went hand-in-hand with modernization at Lake City, however, and even if orders escalated to 2 billion rounds per year, GD-OTS would provide only 300-500 million of those rounds."

239
interesting the anti colonist sent his kids to a colony for vacation.....

Everyone wants to provide for their kids...and I'm sure our Emperor, and his prize heifer 'Moochelle' are no exception. But the Bahamas? For tweens? Really?

Way to show off your 'regular guy' creds, Barky! One wonders how many WH tours could have been provided to elementary school children for what it cost to secure an island paradise for two girls. I'm guessing it cost a hell of a lot more than an evening at Chucky Cheese...even with the deluxe package which includes waxy tasting pizza, and secret service protection.

240 The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Missouri has been operated by ATK for a long time,


Good ol' LCAAP!

241 My #240 is just for the Army. (I think)

242 But yes, the transformed do get some mutant ability.  Probably should create a D20 table of common mutations.  And a D20 of rares.  Plus roll two D10s to see if the transformed gets common 1-95% or rare 96-100%.

243 I am sending an E-Mail to Presdent Oblama to tell him that you probabbley violated Notionol Secrety by posting that comment.........

244 >> They use 15 million rounds per year training. Of this, 70% is FRANGIBLE ammo. Sure. The 15 million comes from here: http://goo.gl/l1wKu I'm not sure where the 70% figure comes from, but the huge numbers that are being bandied about also include a shitload of frangible rounds. They get lumped in with the total and then the topic turns to hollowpoints, so I tend to shortcut it and point out that a lot of those hollowpoints are destined for the range, just like the rest of the ammo is.

245 "A single plant, dating from World War 2, still provides almost all of the US militaryÂ’s small arms ammunition (up to 12.7mm). The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Missouri has been operated by ATK for a long time, and was the USAÂ’s only facility until recently. Ammunition shortages forced the Army to add General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems in St Petersburg, FL as a limited 2nd supplier in 2005. That effort went hand-in-hand with modernization at Lake City, however, and even if orders escalated to 2 billion rounds per year, GD-OTS would provide only 300-500 million of those rounds."

Posted by: RWC at March 25, 2013 12:59 PM (fWAjv)

 

 

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Okay.  We're getting somewhere.  So, if the war is winding down, and the military, as I type, is being downsized this would still be an  interesting question to ask.  The numbers you  posted above are max output. 

 

My original question remains the same.   I'm just  curious is all. 

 

My knowledge of police firearms training may be a bit  old, but the last I've heard is that they only go in for "annual" qualification.  I believe, as I've been told by law  enforcement officers at the federal level, that  only annual qualification is required of them also.

246 I'd love to see a guest drill Gregory on this - or the many other cases where he is just a lying hack propagandist for the left and shill for Obama.  Drill & grill until he is forced to admit it, don't answer any questions until he does.

It's a live show.  All we need is someone with the stones.

247 so they've taken to just flailing around.  At what point does "flailing" approach "zombie" behavior and can we shoot them? All?  Now?

/thumbs "safe" to "semi"

248 My original question remains the same. I'm just curious is all.

My knowledge of police firearms training may be a bit old, but the last I've heard is that they only go in for "annual" qualification. I believe, as I've been told by law enforcement officers at the federal level, that only annual qualification is required of them also.

Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2013 01:13 PM (P4MEQ)

I'm not LE, but have friends who are NYC detectives, city police in San Antonio, sheriff's deputies in Oregon.

They're on the range weekly.  Now, it's anecdotal, and I'm not offering this as evidence to suggest all LE are well trained.  My friends tend toward the overachiever end of the Ammeter, so do with it what you like.

249

I don't understand the math issue.  Why are you being such a racist?

250 I think "unindicted felon David Gregory" should be his title now.

251 Another culture that makes up facts and figures for the purpose of effect and dramaticism only is Arabic middle east.  I believe they also have an average educational level of 3rd grade.

252 Those numbers are when you break them down by Department, idiot. And that's just ONE department.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 25, 2013 12:08 PM (4df7R)

Nope. You are wrong.  Call me names all you want, since you have no other argument, but I actually found and read the contracts.  The 1.6 billion round figure was literally pulled out of thin air.  The actual facts are that DHS entered into contracts to purchase "UP TO" a certain number of rounds per contract, with options to purchase "UP TO" the same amount for the next four years (for a total of five). 

There was a 450 million round contract (total for 5 years) in March 2012.  No other individual contract was for more than 200 million (that is the contract max) total (over the 5 years), and the combined total for all the contracts was around 800 million.  They have to buy a minimum of 10,000 rounds per year, and can purchase up to whatever the max is for the contract. 

One of the contracts, which is stated in blogs as a 750 million round purchase, is flat out false. It was for 15 million per year (75 million over 5 years).  

DHS responded to Congress on March 23 that it had purchased a total of 150 million rounds in 2012 (I am assuming fiscal year) for all its departments through all contracts.

I HATE the fact that I have to sift through the lies of the left wing media (and hear from people who blindly believe what they report).  I don't want to do it with the Now I have to read lies and bullshit from the right, after they parrot what started at InfoWars?  If it is wrong for the left to lie, than why is it OK to allow the right to do it?

253 40% of all gun crimes are committed by black males, 6% of the population.  75% of all gun crimes are committed by democrats.