July 16, 2013
— Ace As I mentioned yesterday, I thought the GOP's highest priority was to keep off the unconstitutionally-appointed members of the NRLB. It looks like the GOP did in fact fight hardest to keep those unconstitutional members off the NRLB, because the deal says they're out.
At the moment, it appears that the deal involves agreeing to hold a confirmation vote for Richard Cordray as the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was created by Dodd-Frank in 2010 but has yet to have a confirmed executive. Barack Obama gave Cordray a recess appointment while the Senate wasnÂ’t actually in recess, angering Republicans who vowed to block Cordray in the next session.In return, Democrats will only get two confirmation votes for the NLRB, whose recess appointments have been overturned by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. It appears that Reid will ask the White House to choose new appointees rather than try to restore the overturned appointments.
The deal apparently requires the GOP to stipulate, in writing, that they'll confirm Obama's next two NLRB appointments, whoever they are.
Did the GOP cave? Well, they certainly gave a bunch. I guess it depends on if you think Harry Reid was bluffing on the nuclear option -- I sort of think he was. But I don't know that.
I think I agree with Drew's take earlier:
Personally, I don't care if Reid pulls the trigger. In fact I kind of hope he does. The filibuster is not ordained by God nor is required by the Constitution. The republic shall endure without it.And let's face it, the Republicans aren't going to have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate anytime soon. If you want to dismantle major programs, it's going to be a lot easier to get 50 or 51 votes than 60 ever will be. Sure it will be easier for Democrats to make mischief and put them back in or worse. But honestly, a federal government that alternates between growth and repeal of programs is a lot better than one that grows and...grows.
Yeah I don't know how much I want to fight to keep something I sort of want wiped off the books.
I think Drew might have nailed something interesting and important about this-- the filibuster, by supposedly encouraging moderation and supermajority support on important votes, may actually lock-in the inexorable growth of the state.
Maybe we shouldn't fear the "wild swings" in the Senate the filibuster is designed to ameliorate. The only thing that can really slow down the growth of government is a wild swing to the right.
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The deal apparently requires the GOP to stipulate, in writing, that they'll confirm Obama's next two NLRB appointments, whoever they are.
Karl Marx and Joe Stalin?
Posted by: Gunner at July 16, 2013 07:48 AM (XGLac)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 16, 2013 07:49 AM (4XER9)
Posted by: Felix Steiner at July 16, 2013 07:49 AM (6DnnT)
Posted by: toby928© thinks it's so nice to be back here at Carnegie Hall at July 16, 2013 07:50 AM (codCi)
Citizens of Ace of Spades
'Repealing programs' is classified as terroristic Tea Party talk, and is punishable by 20 years in the iso-cubes.
You have been warned.
Posted by: Judge Steddman at July 16, 2013 07:50 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 16, 2013 07:51 AM (lm0Rv)
The only positive I see from this is the illegal recess appointment suit can continue to the SC, which may slow down the Thug in Chief a bit in the future.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 16, 2013 07:52 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Red Shirt at July 16, 2013 07:53 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 16, 2013 07:54 AM (qRasw)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 16, 2013 07:54 AM (4XER9)
The problem is, the Dems in the Senate have different priorities from the Rs. Dems want to win on issues, and are actively working to get their agenda passed. Rs want to be able to engage in reacharounds across the aisle, and will give up nearly anything in order to be able to continue doing that.
So whenever I hear "nuclear option" regarding the Senate, I keep hoping they're talking about actual nuclear bombs. Maybe small ones. Just maim everybody, we don't necessarily need them to die.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 16, 2013 07:54 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 07:55 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 16, 2013 07:55 AM (vWV3A)
Posted by: old glazier at July 16, 2013 07:55 AM (mMKOV)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 07:55 AM (/PCJa)
Somebody gimme a hand here - when was the last repeal of a substantial government program?
We've got to add to the size of government, before we reduce the size of government.
Duh!
Posted by: Teh Geee Ohhh Peee at July 16, 2013 07:56 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: joncelli at July 16, 2013 07:56 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 07:56 AM (VtjlW)
Exactly! Winning!
Posted by: Teh Geee Ohhh Peee at July 16, 2013 11:54 AM (NF2Bf)
Annnnd, we won't have any problems when WE take the senate back(with the help of your generous donations) cuz the Dems will play nice THIS time.
Posted by: Republican Senate Committee at July 16, 2013 07:57 AM (FIDMq)
You should of expected this.
The RINOs of the Senate have no backbone and no integrety so why should they make the liberals job to ruin America any harder.
I am sure they will be well paid for their votes.
Posted by: John21 at July 16, 2013 07:57 AM (46VAS)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 07:57 AM (/PCJa)
Also, Reid can play good cop, bad cop with Obama on this. Nothing says Obama will now acquiesce to the deal.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at July 16, 2013 07:57 AM (wsmI3)
Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at July 16, 2013 07:58 AM (HEa5q)
Posted by: zsasz at July 16, 2013 07:58 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: John21 at July 16, 2013 11:57 AM (46VAS)
Your afternoon cocktail party invites are in the mail!- thats all it took-hahahahah!
Posted by: Dems at July 16, 2013 07:59 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: toby928© thinks it's so nice to be back here at Carnegie Hall at July 16, 2013 07:59 AM (codCi)
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 16, 2013 07:59 AM (qRasw)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 07:59 AM (/PCJa)
Maybe we shouldn't fear the "wild swings" in the Senate the filibuster is designed to ameliorate. The only thing that can really slow down the growth of government is a wild swing to the right.
You know, if you're going to follow this logic, (not that I entirely disagree) except your premise is a bit wrong.
The bicameral legislature and regular order are supposed to prevent wild swings. And by and large they do.
The filibuster is supposed to prevent a majority party from running roughshod over the minority. And this is tricky, because in some respects it fails since you can just threaten to do away with it at whim. OTOH, nobody likes doing away with it, so some sort of soft compromise usually results.
Posted by: tsrblke at July 16, 2013 08:00 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: @AuthorLMendez at July 16, 2013 08:00 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:00 AM (/PCJa)
basically from a pure game theory standpoint they gave Searchlight what he wanted and ensured future fucking....
Reid is acting batshit crazy because he knows Bark is in a Constitutional fucking crisis....
I hate the fucker and I hate McCain.
Ok, you get to make two make a wish picks that can be even worse and I have said in writing I'll approve and you get to fuck me like normal if I get control back!
Helluva negotiating win there Senate GOP helluva win you dumb bastards.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:02 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:02 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 16, 2013 08:03 AM (9Xc5j)
Sooo... the GOP 'Leadership' is making deals for that the individual senators must follow???
Uhhh... I thought they represented the STATES... NOT the PARTY!
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 16, 2013 08:04 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:04 AM (/PCJa)
http://tinyurl.com/kqf4mk5
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 16, 2013 12:03 PM (Hx5uv)
MOST unsavory.
Posted by: joncelli at July 16, 2013 08:04 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: nip at July 16, 2013 08:05 AM (lGVXf)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2013 08:05 AM (XKEAh)
correct and we lose just when we were about to have a genuine non spinnable example of Barack Obama violating the Constitution...
I can't express politely enough not to get banned the ire I have for the Senate GOP.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:05 AM (LRFds)
And of course, the R Senators fail all over themselves falling for it. Sigh.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 16, 2013 08:06 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:06 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: ghost of... at July 16, 2013 08:06 AM (e0nsQ)
The deal apparently requires the GOP to stipulate, in writing, that they'll confirm Obama's next two NLRB appointments, whoever they are.
And if the GOP had a fucking spine, they'd renege on that written agreement as soon as it came into play. It's what the Demonrats do.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:06 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 16, 2013 12:03 PM (4df7R)
Wow... Just... wow...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 12:04 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 08:06 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: NCKate at July 16, 2013 08:06 AM (FSbfx)
Posted by: The GOP at July 16, 2013 08:06 AM (4XER9)
Posted by Ace at 11:45 AM Comments
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"The only thing.."?
Posted by: Math at July 16, 2013 08:07 AM (UypUQ)
then it would finally lead to the proper and needed detah of the GOP and quite frankly I am to the point I would prefer to have a genuine opposition party to the super statists than the Donk light GOP giving the illusion of dissent.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:07 AM (LRFds)
The Pubbies should have traded for something more valuable though. Frankly, it doesn't matter who is appointed to run these bureaucracies. The little apparatchiks who work there know who the enemy is and will go after them regardless. Obama will also ignore, selectively enforce and create laws as he sees fit anyway. NLRB is just a special case for legal reasons and that is the one you don't want to give on.
But there were more valuable things outside of appointments to be haggled over in trade for a vote on the appointments.
Posted by: Thatch at July 16, 2013 08:08 AM (qYvEa)
Hell yes they caved and I suspect that RINO McShitty was at the heart of it. The Dems got every damn thing they wanted plus some, instead of 3 hard left labor lawyers they will get 4.
Tell me what damn good the Republican Party is. DrewM had the right of it in the last thread. let them go nuclear because what goes around comes around. And it would actually be better for the Republicans if they did.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2013 08:08 AM (lZvxr)
/heavy, heavy bitter sarcasm
So the terms of the deal are? Obama gets what he wants, concedes nothing.
Inauguration Day January 20th 2017 only three an a half years away.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 16, 2013 08:08 AM (BGWd2)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:09 AM (/PCJa)
I would like to make an official AOSHQ Request.
Can we please replace the acronym for GOP to VAG? All those in favor say aye.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 16, 2013 08:09 AM (vndrU)
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 16, 2013 12:09 PM (vndrU)
Can it be a VAGGUN?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 08:09 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: NCKate at July 16, 2013 12:06 PM (FSbfx)
Can you ask them to put on a different station? Like the Golf Channel or something? Don't go to ESPN, though, because the odds that they'll be talking about St. Trichinosis are stupidly high.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:10 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:10 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2013 08:10 AM (XKEAh)
Posted by: The Dem Vote Fraud Machine at July 16, 2013 08:10 AM (4XER9)
Let that last one really sink in.
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2013 12:10 PM (XKEAh)
It's funny that you discount President Obama.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 08:11 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:11 AM (/PCJa)
And I've heard that CFPB is even worse: sort of like (IRS + EPA + OHSA) * 100000000 in terms of the impact on business. Moreover, Cordray is a full-on Communist and would *love* to have his hands on those levers.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 16, 2013 08:12 AM (B/VB5)
correct Vic b/c at the end of the day a GOP that was an actual GASP opponent of the fucking democrats would point out this means the results are ALL OBAMA now WRT appointments and so every piece of shit the civil service cocksuckers do is unarguably Obama.
The GOP doesn't want to run hard against the democrats evidently....
they sure as shit are showing they do not represent me at any rate.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:12 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 16, 2013 08:12 AM (4XER9)
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 16, 2013 08:12 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at July 16, 2013 08:13 AM (epxV4)
***
And change the symbol from elephant to jellyfish.
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 16, 2013 08:14 AM (Hx5uv)
Once one surrenders to extortion, one will always surrender to being extorted.
Posted by: Athos at July 16, 2013 08:15 AM (SNaPm)
Yup...
when Fwance is more business friendly than the bomb these cocksuckers are building why not?
Let that sink in Fwance is more free than we are.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:15 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 08:15 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2013 08:16 AM (XKEAh)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:16 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 16, 2013 08:16 AM (4XER9)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:16 AM (/PCJa)
Stuck in a doctors office for an hour and a half this morning with CNN blaring. What is wrong with a sports channel?
Posted by: NCKate at July 16, 2013 12:06 PM (FSbfx)
My local bank was running MSNBC. I'm not kidding. I complained with, shall we say, civil vigor. Maybe others did too. It was soon gone and now they run Bank infomercials.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 16, 2013 08:16 AM (5xadP)
The deal apparently requires the GOP to stipulate, in writing, that they'll confirm Obama's next two NLRB appointments, whoever they are.
And if the GOP had a fucking spine, they'd renege on that written agreement as soon as it came into play. It's what the Demonrats do.
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Just once live up to the slander the Dems continually heap on them.
Hell, it'd be worth at least 1% of the white vote for the GOP if it became known they were willing to cheat against the Dems.
To put it in clearer terms:
Number of times the GOP has stabbed the Dems in the back--0.
Number of times the GOP has stabbed conservatives in the back--we lost count in the late 80's.
Which, if applied in a logical proof would support the conclusion, "therefore, Republicans are Democrats."
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 16, 2013 08:16 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 08:17 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at July 16, 2013 08:17 AM (09o/X)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 08:18 AM (da5Wo)
Did the GOP cave? Well, they certainly gave a bunch. I guess it
depends on if you think Harry Reid was bluffing on the nuclear option --
I sort of think he was. But I don't know that.
Fuck yes they caved. They caved like a fucking Chinese coal mine. They folded like a green energy money sink. They bent over for the buttfucking like Barney Frank at a swinger's party. Do I need to go on?
Here's what the demonrats will do. Obammy will nominate two more people for the NLRB who are ten, twenty, a hundred times fucking WORSE than these wankjobs. And the 'Pubbies -- those solemn, staid solons of legislative contrition -- will stand by their written fucking agre-fuck-ement and let them through.
And then they'll all go out for drinks afterward, cuz the Demonrats will be all chummy and say, "Hey, we'll buy the first round!" And then the Demonrats will proceed to jackoff into the 'Pubbies martinis and hand them over to the 'Pubbie rubes and say, "If it tastes a little salty it's because I gave you an extra olive. That's how much I like you."
Fucking traitors, every last g-ddamn one of them.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:18 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: 13times at July 16, 2013 08:18 AM (fGPLK)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:18 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 16, 2013 08:18 AM (ADnWI)
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Beaver.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 12:16 PM (/PCJa)
Weasel.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 12:18 PM (da5Wo)
Pussy.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 08:18 AM (fwARV)
The problem is, the Dems in the Senate have different priorities from the Rs. Dems want to win on issues, and are actively working to get their agenda passed. Rs want to be able to engage in reacharounds across the aisle, and will give up nearly anything in order to be able to continue doing that.
It's all part of the poisonous Beltway attitude. You could sit Boehner and McConnell down in front of the HQ for a week, actually show them how weak and ineffectual they are and how utterly evil the Dems are, but they'd never change. They have their snouts in the trough and want to keep them there.
They aren't representatives. They're collaborators. They're Vichy Republicans who will happily herd us into cattle cars so long as they get a nice puff piece in the NYT.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:18 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2013 12:16 PM (XKEAh)
And not sharing. Not everyone can get Kush.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 16, 2013 08:18 AM (gqgiP)
Posted by: Purp at July 16, 2013 11:51 AM (lm0Rv) ---
And they would differ from the current crop how?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 16, 2013 08:19 AM (R8hU8)
Cat, that is.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 08:19 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 16, 2013 08:19 AM (vWV3A)
88 And change the symbol from elephant to jellyfish.
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Beaver.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 12:16 PM (/PCJa)
Weasel.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 12:18 PM (da5Wo)
Slug.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:19 AM (4df7R)
It can't be worse. Votes are almost always along party lines, and Obama (pbuh) is going to get his nominees, no matter what the Republicans do.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 16, 2013 08:20 AM (gqgiP)
Only 3 more years until President Clinton or Cuomo or O'Malley.
Let that last one really sink in.
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2013 12:10 PM (XKEAh)
Try President "Cherokee" Liz Warren on for size.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 16, 2013 08:20 AM (5xadP)
Posted by: RWC at July 16, 2013 08:20 AM (fWAjv)
Sooo... let me get this straight.... the GOP was given something they had already WON??? And gave up everything else to get it???
/facepalm
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 16, 2013 08:20 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:20 AM (/PCJa)
As someone once tweeted, the VC could have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they'd known all they had to do to break McStain was promise him a dinner.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:21 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 12:19 PM (fwARV)
Sure it is. 
And I would not demean felines by forcing them to be associated with this sacless wank of cowardly skinjobs known as the G-O-fuck me-P.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:21 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:21 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: 13times at July 16, 2013 08:22 AM (fGPLK)
I'm sorry. I stopped listening at 'fuck me'.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 08:22 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: DangerGirl, getting angrier by the day at July 16, 2013 08:22 AM (waJ+2)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:23 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 16, 2013 12:22 PM (fwARV)
That's my boy.
You didn't miss much.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:24 AM (4df7R)
Elections have consequences, y'all. One of them is that the President gets to appoint lots of people that you might not like at all.
Filibustering ordinary Presidential appointees is dumb, when it is done by either party and for whatever reason. The CFPB thing was really a suicide mission. Republicans didn't fight hard enough against the creation of this unneeded agency, and now they are trying to make a point about it that nobody outside the beltway understands or cares about. A dumb hill to die on.
Democrats successfully filbustered John Bolton's nomination. Did that change any policy of the Bush administration? No.
Posted by: rockmom at July 16, 2013 08:24 AM (Q4elb)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:24 AM (/PCJa)
Did it hurt the Democrats to do so? No.
Posted by: The Dane at July 16, 2013 08:25 AM (codCi)
88 And change the symbol from elephant to jellyfish.
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Beaver.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 12:16 PM (/PCJa)
Weasel.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 12:18 PM (da5Wo)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 16, 2013 12:19 PM (4df7R)
Soiled panties.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:25 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at July 16, 2013 08:26 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 08:27 AM (da5Wo)
MP4: Did you get my email a couple weeks ago? I didn't get a bounce-back message, but I'm not sure I have your correct email.
Allen, I've been having problems with my gmail, so it might have hit the spam folder. Just go through my nic - that should do it.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:28 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Mainah at July 16, 2013 08:28 AM (659DL)
Posted by: gracepmc at July 16, 2013 08:28 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: I'm lighting my torch now... at July 16, 2013 08:29 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 16, 2013 08:29 AM (Oaen8)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:29 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at July 16, 2013 08:30 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at July 16, 2013 08:30 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 08:30 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 16, 2013 08:33 AM (vWV3A)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:33 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 12:21 PM (/PCJa)
Can we get these t-shirts in assorted sizes and send them to our elected representatives?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Purp at July 16, 2013 11:51 AM (lm0Rv)"
Don't be ridiculous. Pol Pot and Mao are dead. Even though dead people can vote for Democrats, they cannot hold office.
Charles Manson and Jared Loughner, however, are available.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 16, 2013 08:34 AM (31Nrp)
I don't think anyone fully understands what a fucking disaster the Consumer Financial Protection Board is going to be for business in this country.
They will have absolutely NO Congressional oversight. None. Their funding will come from the Federal Reserve System, which is self-funded. And by "self-funded", I mean they can print up as many dollars as they feel like.
My industry is regulated by federal law, 50 state laws and over 40 years of court decisions. Now these assholes will have carte blanche to contradict any of those statutes and case law by proclamation. Will there be conflicts? Oh MY, yes. So what's going to happen is: violate CFPB regs and be fined out of business, or violate federal and state law and be fined out of business.
If it seems to you like this agency will have the effect of killing business in the United States, congratulations - you get the point. This agency isn't created to protect consumers. We have the FCC and 50 state Attorneys General for that. This agency was created to PUNISH business. Period.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 16, 2013 08:34 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: blindside at July 16, 2013 08:34 AM (x7g7t)
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 16, 2013 12:14 PM..........I agree with changing the symbol to pussy. Jellyfish is pretty good though. Maybe we could compromise and go with the slug. So the VAG would now be represented by the spineless slug as it's mascot. It even looks a little like a Vag.
I can see the headlines now. Senator Marco Rubio addressed his VAG colleagues today on the floor of the senate. Sen Rubio (V) Florida started his remarks by saying, My friends.....
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 16, 2013 08:34 AM (vndrU)
Yes, it did actually. We're discussing those consequences right now in the form of Obama's filibustered nominees.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 16, 2013 08:35 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 16, 2013 12:34 PM (CJjw5)
Bingo.
Nail. Hammer. Pounded like a tranny ladyboi in a Bangkok whore house.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:35 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at July 16, 2013 08:36 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:37 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 08:37 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 16, 2013 08:37 AM (vWV3A)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:37 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at July 16, 2013 08:38 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 08:38 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2013 08:38 AM (W6bkf)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:38 AM (/PCJa)
What will the acronym "VAG" stand for? Technically, "GOP" is "Grand Old Party," after all.
"Venerable Aged Gimps"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Reality Man at July 16, 2013 08:39 AM (obXkJ)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 16, 2013 08:39 AM (vWV3A)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 16, 2013 08:39 AM (wiZIU)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:40 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 16, 2013 08:40 AM (Oaen8)
Guy you're going to have to explain to me as a vaoter why Chuck Schumer controls who the GOP Presidents get to nominate for SCotUS for fuck's sakes and we get to control well "nothing" when a donk is in power...
watching the GOP once again cede to that is well...
tell you what I won't be outraged...
daisy daisy gal with eyes so blue....
why don't we just go ahead and pass an overt enabling act for Obama and get this fucking divided and co-equal branch shit out of the way...?
Fuck that's so old school....
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:41 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: blindside at July 16, 2013 08:41 AM (x7g7t)
I'm not 100% certain it will come to that in '16. Remember that there were a fair number of people agitating for repeal of the 22nd Amendment so that Bubba Clinton could stay in office longer.
Take Clinton, add race!!! and minority!!! to a hefty dose of white guilt, Black Outrage and -- perhaps -- an extra 20 million or so voters, and you have a perfect recipe for the same fungus to thrive on Choom Boy's behalf.
Doesn't even matter if the slimy shitweasel is reluctant to play Papa Doc Duvalier and proclaim himself President-For-Life; like everything else that has happened in his worthless life, there are other people around to do the work for him.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 16, 2013 08:41 AM (/RIVS)
You're not making sense.
If anything would "look bad in the media", it would be the filibustering of Obama's nominees. They've already done that.
Keep in mind that Reid wasn't threatening to do away with the filibuster completely. His proposed change would only apply to presidential nominees.
It would have been a fairly low cost, low risk ploy if Reid carried out his threat. It's not farfetched to suggest that he was ready to go through with it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 16, 2013 08:41 AM (SY2Kh)
VAG b/c why have two parties I'm sure Obama can be trusted...?
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:42 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: grognard at July 16, 2013 08:42 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 16, 2013 08:42 AM (4XER9)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 16, 2013 12:39 PM (wiZIU)
That would be "Sweet merciful St. Tisket on a tasket with a red and yellow Skittle basket." *nod*
And I am seething with so much anger at the moment, I may well be incandescent and visible from space. Do we have any non-commies in space right now? Can we ask them if they see me from up there?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:43 AM (4df7R)
and it is not far-fetched to say the proper GOP response should have been "thanks...no seriously thank you you cocksucker I'll remember it."
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:43 AM (LRFds)
120 Elections have consequences, y'all. One of them is that the President gets to appoint lots of people that you might not like at all.
Chief Justice Robert Bork would like a word with you, sonny.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:43 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:44 AM (4df7R)
'Gang of 14' ring a bell for you?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 16, 2013 08:44 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:44 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: gracepmc at July 16, 2013 08:45 AM (rznx3)
What will the acronym "VAG" stand for? Technically, "GOP" is "Grand Old Party," after all.
Valuless And Gutless.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:45 AM (zF6Iw)
Come on, Jeff. If we just compromise, people will like us and JEF would never do anything that would harm anyone.
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And how can this be? For he IS the Kwisatz Blackerach!
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 16, 2013 08:45 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:46 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 16, 2013 08:46 AM (4XER9)
Posted by: fawkes at July 16, 2013 08:46 AM (Djwm9)
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 16, 2013 08:46 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:46 AM (zF6Iw)
"Vacuous Animated Grievances"
I dont' even care any more. They are deserving only of random words with no meaning, because that's all they fucking give us any way.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:47 AM (4df7R)
Yup...
oh and believe me they will nominate an overt communist to SCotUS if able...but hey "we lost shut the fuck up" is great strategy
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:47 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 08:47 AM (da5Wo)
Then Reid goes nuclear and Obama gets any and every nominee he wanted.
Do you honestly believe that Reid and the Dems would've faced any significant political fallout if he did?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 16, 2013 08:47 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: RWC at July 16, 2013 08:47 AM (fWAjv)
Exclamamtion points.
Cue the exclamation points.
Hey, where are the exclamation points? I was promised exclamation points.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 16, 2013 08:47 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 12:45 PM .........I like it. May I suggest a slight tweak. Vapid And Gutless
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 16, 2013 08:47 AM (vndrU)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, in his happy place at July 16, 2013 08:48 AM (zUi7I)
It's almost like actually expecting and demanding your fucking elected reps move towards goals WORKS or something!
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:48 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 12:47 PM (da5Wo)
This is true.
But I have hair, so it's coming off my lily white forearms.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:48 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at July 16, 2013 08:48 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 16, 2013 08:48 AM (4XER9)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 12:38 PM (VtjlW)
Okay - where is Alex, what have you done with her you fiend?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 16, 2013 08:49 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: General Zod at July 16, 2013 08:49 AM (Jsiw/)
do you think our caving means anything different?
You will not get change from the communists until you inflict pain...
so you thank him and say "the news cycle where you pretend this never happened will be fun" and take the damage and demonized him to your base...
IOW "duh"
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:49 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 08:49 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:50 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, in his happy place at July 16, 2013 08:50 AM (zUi7I)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 08:51 AM (da5Wo)
I was kind of hoping for SMOD.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 16, 2013 08:51 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at July 16, 2013 08:51 AM (7ObY1)
How about "Venal and Gutless?"
Works for me. And MWR, if you don't come down to Portsmouth soon, I'm coming up your way to buy you drinks. Such felicitous application of the English language needs to be properly rewarded (and no need to worry, WN - my personal appearance is a cross between Danny DeVito and Roseanne Barr, with a dash of Erich von Stroheim on top).
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:51 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 08:52 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 16, 2013 08:52 AM (4XER9)
“Every African-American in the United States needs to move their money, family, knowledge back to Africa were you will be treated like the royalty you are."
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Uh-huh. Because you're all descended from African kings and queens. Tell you what - why don't you go to Liberia? They speak English there. Sort of. It's right on the beach, too.
Ask for General Butt-Naked when you get there. Ask him if he's hungry.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 16, 2013 08:52 AM (CJjw5)
it's the only sensible way out...
basically the United States needs to die to allow liberty to live.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 08:52 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Mainah at July 16, 2013 08:52 AM (659DL)
-Akon
Posted by: RWC at July 16, 2013 12:47 PM (fWAjv)
Oh goodie. Another pop culture dickwad who wouldn't have any fans if not for Bittorrent and desperation.
Listen, sugarpop. You fly on over to Africa and you see what they think of you. You just go find out. You may have an African parent -- that's you, isn't it, Akon? -- but you aint fucking African royalty.
Hey, here's an idea. Maybe ask your fucking family why they got the fuck out of Africa and came to America in the first place. Holy shit, fucking MIND. BLOWN!
I know, I know. Your itty bitty, teeny weeny, yellow polka dot brainkini is having trouble digesting that. You just go on ahead and climb into bed with your b'ankie and your binky and give it a good think as you take your afternoon naptime, you inconsequential shithead.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:52 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 16, 2013 08:52 AM (da5Wo)
Can I have your stuff?
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 12:49 PM (VtjlW)
You have to admire the boundless capacity of the Moron Horde to find the silver lining of self-enrichment in the dark clouds of personal and national calamity.
It's a beautiful thing.
*sniff*
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 16, 2013 08:53 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 08:53 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 16, 2013 08:53 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 16, 2013 08:53 AM (wiZIU)
Posted by: RWC at July 16, 2013 08:54 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 12:41 PM (LRFds)
Explain? Man, it doesn't matter what happens. Unless Mitch McConnel ties Harry Reid to a mound of fire ants in Death Valley everyone here is going to bitch. It's just the mood right now, the pessimism, the complete "woe is us" that I am riffing on.
You don't like it? Okay, try to figure out exactly what the deal was and why the deal was done. Stupid stuff about cocktail parties in Georgetown isn't the answer, what really are the terms of the deal. And an off-the-cuff synopsis isn't answering that question.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 16, 2013 08:54 AM (hLRSq)
Works for me. And MWR, if you don't come down to Portsmouth soon, I'm coming up your way to buy you drinks. Such felicitous application of the English language needs to be properly rewarded
(Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 12:51 PM (zF6Iw)
You had me at "felicitous." lol!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:54 AM (4df7R)
"Every African-American in the United States needs to move their money, family, knowledge back to Africa were you will be treated like the royalty you are."
-Akon
Posted by: RWC at July 16, 2013 12:47 PM (fWAjv)
Good. Go. Don't let the door hit you in the ass. And by the way, three generations from now when your beloved Africa is still a nauseating sinkhole of beri-beri and cholera and your children are dying on the streets because President-For-Life Bugfucker steered the UN famine aid money to build his royal palace. . .you don't get to come back.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:55 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Cowboy at July 16, 2013 08:55 AM (m5TOl)
If the Founder's wanted 60 votes to pass legislation, they would have clearly said so in our Constitution. Instead, they made it a simple majority with the Vice President being the tie breaking vote.
I'm all for stopping Harry Reid, but let's be honest, the GOP is NEVER going to get 60 votes in the Senate, and Republicans are likely going to take back the Senate.
Posted by: Jeepers at July 16, 2013 08:55 AM (XDRsa)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 16, 2013 08:55 AM (wiZIU)
Posted by: The GOP at July 16, 2013 08:56 AM (4XER9)
And that's why you hold the line sometimes, and not yield, even if not trendy. This applies generally, from this issue to amnesty to many others. If we be wrong, then the policies will be enacted anyway, and all will be for the best. Our own individual glory matters not.
But if we be right, then when the crisis comes, there will be a need for those able to say "we are of the integrity you seek, for we stood for the right thing at the wrong time, and that should matter to you". Because it will. It is often not enough to have been right--it is having paid the price for being right but thought wrong that will get you (and the people) the leverage you (and the people) need to right the ship of state.
Posted by: T. at July 16, 2013 08:57 AM (SLzdW)
Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at July 16, 2013 08:57 AM (c6tHt)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 16, 2013 12:53 PM (wiZIU)
Ohhhh, that does it. I am going to slap you around like Obammy when he's gotten between Mooch and her tamales, and you are going to THANK ME AFTER EVERY SMACK.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 16, 2013 08:57 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Dept. of Acuracy at July 16, 2013 08:57 AM (VWfCN)
Posted by: Mainah at July 16, 2013 08:57 AM (659DL)
Remember: any Senator can place a "hold" on any nominee for any reason. The Democrats did this fairly frequently with GW's nominees. IIRC, it was that (not a filibuster) that took down some of GW's bigger name nominees.
That "hold" you're talking about is a (threat of) filibuster.
These days few filibusters consist of someone actually standing on the Senate floor and talking for hours and hours.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 16, 2013 08:58 AM (SY2Kh)
Let that last one really sink in.
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2013 12:10 PM (XKEAh)
There will never be a President O'Malley. People outside of Maryland don't realize how hateable he is. He projects nastiness from his very eyes.
Hillary won't be President as she will be too old. Liberals can't stand old people.
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 16, 2013 08:59 AM (UypUQ)
Here. Let me give the Horde a chew toy.
I am about to eat a cherry. Yes, I will then tie the stem in a knot.
Annnnnd go!
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 12:52 PM (VtjlW)
Impressive, Imperial One. Now, if You can untie it with your tongue, my submission to Your Malevolence will be complete.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 16, 2013 08:59 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 09:00 AM (VtjlW)
No, it isn't. Extra-constitutional maybe, but the Constitution grants the Senate power to set its own rules.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 16, 2013 09:00 AM (SY2Kh)
BTW: sven, you don't have to answer to me. Those were me just putting out general questions to ponder. I wasn't asking you to do research for me.
I just love the screaming near-incoherent rage. It's almost as bad as the Left's vein-popping primal scream after George W. Bush's re-election.
Remember those days when the Left shat themselves in blind fury? I do.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 16, 2013 09:01 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 16, 2013 09:02 AM (wiZIU)
Ahhh, one of my greatest talents.
What? You don't think I played the trumpet for fifteen years to become a musician, do you?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 16, 2013 12:55 PM (wiZIU)
Go on . . . .
Also this springs to mind (mildly NSFW) - http://tfl.nu/cedv
I disclaim all liability for any falling into a TFLN hole which may occur.
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 01:00 PM (VtjlW)
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I've been a penist since 1989.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 16, 2013 09:02 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Cowboy at July 16, 2013 09:02 AM (m5TOl)
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 16, 2013 09:04 AM (UypUQ)
The terms of the "deal" are...
oh okay those extra-legal "picks" Obama recess appointed are gone but you need to put in writing you support the next two picks regardless of view or qualification(you know the whole fucking reason advise and consent is there?)
and we'll uh "leave the filibuster there"
of course given the filibuster is used by golly one side to jam everything up to SCOtUS nominees who they demand be at best moderates essentially when our caucus refuses reciprocity means that we ceded the battle for the guarantee we'll get more opportunities to cede...
between shit like this and amnesty I'm pretty sure the McCain gang has killed the Republic.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 09:04 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 16, 2013 09:04 AM (VtjlW)
As I understand it:
1. Obama has to pick different nominees.
2. He only gets two instead of three for the NLRB.
The alternative was that Reid goes nuclear and gets any and every nominee he wants with a simple majority for any open position.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 16, 2013 09:05 AM (SY2Kh)
Yeah and remember how the American people punished them?
They gave Nanzi Thor's Gavel to swing at the Republic's balls...
why it is almost like demanding shit changes works or something...
we've been letting the mules buttfuck us on the nominee process since 1986 with no reciprocity....
how's that working out for us again?
Basically all I'm seeing is that we need to start lynching reporters.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 09:07 AM (LRFds)
Start talking about it. The more people hear it the less shocking it is. That's how the communists do it, repeat the outrageous until it is safe for conversation. Start talking seriously about it.
Posted by: Mr. Dave at July 16, 2013 12:29 PM (Oaen
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If you want to talk seriously about it you are going to have to figure out how to get hold of a couple of dozen deliverable nuclear warheads. A non nuclear break away will not last six hours. A nuclear armed secession possesses an asymmetric weapon. Every city that is nuked makes that area less blue and more red, including in Texas.
My thinking is that the Iranians would probably provide nuclear weapons to a breakaway Texas Republic because it would weaken the United States to have a rebellion going on in North America, especially if it looked like the rebellion might spread north all the way to include Alberta. If Obama is not willing to halt the Iranian nuclear program to keep the Ayatollahs from having nuclear weapons, perhaps he would get more serious about it to keep Texans from having nuclear weapons.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 16, 2013 09:10 AM (31Nrp)
If this is what you're like at work, I can't wait for the next Boston area MoMee where there's actually alcohol involved.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 16, 2013 09:11 AM (knoK7)
sven:
So you think that having a good scream heard from coast-to-coast without having the major megaphone of the media that the Democrats have will work?
Go ahead then. I think I'll just stand over here and cynically watch the fallout.
I reserve the right to roll my eyes from time to time. I didn't say I would, just that I reserve the right to.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 16, 2013 09:12 AM (hLRSq)
You do not get the goddamned megaphone without a scream bud...
how do you think the "New Left" got the media as their tool?
They used domestic terrorism for fuck's sakes...
I think the Tea Party model is a better safeguard for the Constitution than John "Petain" McCain and company....
guess we differ.
See I am of the opinion that having an opposition party requires well "opposing" the McCain gang differs....
I'm about to start voting straight ticket D to help John McCain's wise governance theory.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 09:16 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 01:16 PM (LRFds)
I think they got hired by the organizations, worked their way up, hired people just like them - that sort of thing. They didn't get the media megaphone by screaming "me want it!" It took a little longer than two or three years to accomplish too.
Beyond screaming, is there a plan? One that does not involve magic?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 16, 2013 09:22 AM (hLRSq)
Unfortunately, that's unlikely to happen even if there were a large influx of modern-day Republicans. (Hint: Republican != conservative)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 16, 2013 09:29 AM (vd7A8)
Posted by: occam at July 16, 2013 09:37 AM (71sq+)
Is the GOP even a party any more?
I mean, if McCain et al can freelance and avoid party discipline for doing so, it obviously isn't a party in any real sense. There isn't an ideology, just a dedication to the status quo (even a Democrat status quo!!), and there is (obviously) no way to rein in the crapheads.
If the GOP isn't a party, it's just a way to funnel contributions to politicians and preserve office holdings. That doesn't do it for me as, you know, just a citizen.
Posted by: MTF at July 16, 2013 09:42 AM (B5y+v)
Yeah I must have imagined all that shit from just before I was born into about 1980 then...
my bad....
you make the point and then start the long march...
McCain lubes up.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 09:48 AM (LRFds)
Hey, we figured out how to do the one thing that is worse than a full-on elimination of the filibuster, an all-out abandonment of our minority rights now so that they can be used against any future non-Rat President.
Not that we're ever going to be in the majority, or Devil-willing, have the White House, but we have to guard against having what happened in the House and to St. Bob of Utah in 2010 replicated on a larger scale.
Posted by: Team Senate RINO at July 16, 2013 09:51 AM (o44nj)
Posted by: GalosGann at July 16, 2013 09:52 AM (vW1n3)
Posted by: steveegg at July 16, 2013 09:53 AM (o44nj)
How exactly does that deal work? The GOP leadership doesn't have any actual control over individual Senators. If Senator Bob wants to filibuster, that's up to him.
Of course, if it were me, I'd agree and then refuse to confirm them anyway. At this point mischief and obstruction are the sole purpose of the GOP.
Posted by: GalosGann at July 16, 2013 01:52 PM (vW1n3)
The McGang still has honor, just not toward their class enemies. The bad news - they share class enemies with the majority half of th bipartisan Party-In-Government.
Posted by: steveegg at July 16, 2013 09:55 AM (o44nj)
Collins anyone?
Snowe?
How about Graham?
McCain? Rubio?
Five ratfuckers off the top of my head.
Posted by: nip at July 16, 2013 12:05 PM (lGVXf)
You forgot my two ratfuckers, Corker and Alexander (TN). Both voted with gang of 8. Corkscrew got re-elected last year for a 2nd term even though he has a miserable voting record. Alexander will be re-elected next year (he even voted for Sotomayor).
I also have a ratfucker governor whose family owns the 6th largest privately held company in the US. They provide financial support to both senators - no way to beat them. Time to move to TX.
Posted by: bummed in TN at July 16, 2013 10:01 AM (Km6fn)
Posted by: GalosGann at July 16, 2013 10:05 AM (vW1n3)
Posted by: trickamsterdam at July 16, 2013 10:06 AM (C26bh)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 01:48 PM (LRFds)
So what's the plan for the long march? Because all I am riffing on is the screaming without planning. I don't think that is very useful, but if that is what people want to do I certainly won't stop them. But I will make silly comments about it.
Now, it is time for the monologue about the speaker's dedication to Consitutional principles. Extra points if the various powers of the two Houses of Congress are not transposed.*
*Does anyone else remember the video of Rep. David Obay talking to two people who wanted to have the House deny funding for "Bush's War" and then the two suggested filibustering the funding in the House? Rep. Obey had to explain that you can only filibuster in the Senate and he looked like he was going to have a stroke as he lost his patience, stating that he doesn't have a magic wand and he doesn't have the votes to do what these two want.
A classic scene.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 16, 2013 10:17 AM (hLRSq)
You start by going to the American Legion, VFW, and other fraternal organizations and demanding real Civics be taught again and go from there.
I basically ran away from the fight back in the early 90s because I saw I would be miserable enough I'd pop a 9mm pain reliever by now....
You have to make noise, and then you have to start knocking off the legs of their table holding their house of cards.
The Walker model coupled with the Texas model is the only way we save any recognizable form of liberty.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 16, 2013 10:20 AM (LRFds)
Take over a state party?
That's a plan. State parties are where you train the people to go on to the national stage. Having them trained and seasoned in local and state politics first. So that they learn the ropes. So that they can be taught not to make idiotic statements like Akin did. It is a long march, and it will take a long time. But if you never begin you will never get there.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 16, 2013 10:26 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at July 16, 2013 10:37 AM (w45V0)
No, it isn't. Extra-constitutional maybe, but the Constitution grants the Senate power to set its own rules.
Posted by: Hollowpoint
The Constitution grants the Senate power to make its own rules, but not rules that violate the Constitution.
What if Harry Reid and his Senate majority said they would no longer seat or recognize any elected Republican Senator? If you think the Senate has a blank check with the "makes its own rules" clause, it would be fine.
Not allowing a bill to pass or nominee to proceed with 50+1 Senate votes is subverting both the will of the people and the Constitution.
I'm all for hardball and not falling on my sword over principle, I'm not trying to make the case that Republicans should fold and stop filibustering, I'm just saying the modern application of the filibuster is not Constitutional. Are conservatives Constitutionalists or are they slaves to tradition, in this case, a tradition that started in order to subvert Civil Rights legislation in the 1960's. Our nation had something like 2 filibusters in 150 years before "Sheets" Byrd started using it.
Posted by: Jeepers at July 16, 2013 01:20 PM (XDRsa)
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