January 25, 2013

Death Of A Conspiracy Theory
— andy

... I wish. I guess now the Sandy Hook truthers will just say this guy's in on the plot.

Lt. J. Paul Vance, the face of an ongoing Connecticut State Police investigation into worst grade-school shooting in U.S. history, Thursday debunked media and Internet reports that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza killed his victims with handguns and not the Bushmaster XM-15 E2S rifle that is now the focus of a proposed federal assault-weapons ban.

All 26 of Lanza's victims were shot with the .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle, said Vance, who bristled at claims to the contrary during an interview with Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.

Via @SooperMexican on the Twitters.

Update: A good point in the comments - we must apply the Clinton Doctrine in cases like these, so ...

What Difference Does It Make?

Posted by: andy at 04:20 AM | Comments (220)
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1 At least we see it in black and white.
No ambiguity.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 04:23 AM (WHl4d)

2 What does it matter? We are to be disarmed, whether it's a rifle, a handgun or a friggin' peashooter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 04:23 AM (XkWWK)

3 OHHHH, he bristled did he!!


Posted by: General Woundwort at January 25, 2013 04:23 AM (RrD4h)

4 Conspiracy theories. Gotta love em. Its like the Kennedy thing. I think Jackie had him killed for fucking Marilyn. That is just my opinion. As for the latest, its just the dumbass press , chomping at the bit to say guns are bad, at the behest of our dear leader.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 25, 2013 04:25 AM (JC3hi)

5 This isn't that surprising. While kooks on the internet should annoy all of us, I am a little annoyed that Lt Vance doesn't point the finger at the correct reason for the misunderstanding. Media rushed to report details on this tragedy in the most sensationalist manner possible. Because their focus as an industry is not on truth, but on speed and excitement, honest folks trying to understand what happened got information that was 100% wrong. And that is a very consistent feature of crisis reporting. That's where the real problem is. It's just as much a tragedy if these kids had been slaughtered with a handgun or a rifle. A rifle is a very unusual way to do this, so that is newsworthy, but I don't understand how it's very relevant moving forward.

Posted by: Dustin at January 25, 2013 04:26 AM (D9999)

6 Hey, finally, a definitive statement from somebody about something. That's nice.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 04:26 AM (VtjlW)

7 Of course, then I see that apparently the Bushmaster itself is at fault.

 "the Bushmaster shot those children with multiple rounds and was instrumental in the massacre"


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 04:27 AM (WHl4d)

8 I love how this incident has completely disappeared from the spotlight and now all we get are conspiracy debunking and its use as a demagogic talking point.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 25, 2013 04:27 AM (RrD4h)

9 I can't entirely blame the truthers. The press reports were contradictory and never corrected. Almost 10 weeks later, we still don't have an official report.

Posted by: waldo at January 25, 2013 04:28 AM (jwumz)

10 "the Bushmaster shot those children with multiple rounds and was instrumental in the massacre" Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 08:27 AM (WHl4d) The knife stabbed the man 8 times in the chest. Yep. Definitely could see the MSM say that.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 04:28 AM (FsUAO)

11 If this is true (and I have no reason to think it isn't), then they ought to explain why the reporting was so bad.

I'll be waiting patiently for the explanation, which I'm sure is imminent.

Posted by: Phinn at January 25, 2013 04:29 AM (oFH2D)

12

Sure did take them a while to definitively make this statement. To my understanding, this is the first time anyone in authority has made such a statement. All of the media reports from the first few days said the shooter used two pistols and had a Bushmaster in the car.

 

 

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 04:30 AM (VrVBw)

13 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 04:30 AM (8y9MW)

14 >> "the Bushmaster shot those children with multiple rounds and was instrumental in the massacre" ... said noted asshat, Sen. Richard Blumenthal.

Posted by: Andy at January 25, 2013 04:31 AM (OZPoa)

15 He was a sick fuck. That is what killed those kids

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:32 AM (9Bj8R)

16 "What difference does it make, at this point, what weapon was used?

Does it make a difference if it was a disturbed young man out walking his guns when he decided to shoot up a school?

Those guns are black.  And scary looking.  They must be eliminated."

Posted by: sHrillary at January 25, 2013 04:32 AM (x3LIU)

17 Ah, the American libtard press (or should I say progressive). They progressively lie any chance they get! It's for Dear Leader ya know. They worship the fly magnet!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 25, 2013 04:32 AM (JC3hi)

18 Just saw a clip form the Conan Show on FOX where he announces now women can serve in front line combat infantry units and the crows applauded loudly???? How many of those fucks even ever raised their hands and took an oath? And they have the balls to cheer?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:33 AM (9Bj8R)

19 >> Sure did take them a while to definitively make this statement. To my understanding, this is the first time anyone in authority has made such a statement. Not true. The coroner said it a day or two after the incident. The conspiracy claims, as best I can tell, all rest on bad reporting by Pete Williams of NBC [shocked face here] on the date of the shooting.

Posted by: Andy at January 25, 2013 04:33 AM (OZPoa)

20 What difference does it make what weapon was used at this point. The fact of the matter is that the gunman himself chose to use an inanimate object for evil purposes.

What difference does it make at this point!!!

Posted by: Hillary, of the large calves at January 25, 2013 04:33 AM (WHl4d)

21 Not everyone will have to abide by Senator Dianne Feinstein's gun control bill. If the proposed legislation becomes law, government officials and others will be exempt. "Mrs. Feinstein's measure would exempt more than 2,200 types of hunting and sporting rifles; guns manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; and weapons used by government officials, law enforcement and retired law enforcement personnel," the Washington Times reports. ??? Shit everyone is a Gov Official now a days or will be soon. So shit the law will apply to nobody?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:35 AM (9Bj8R)

22 So the 9/11 conspiracy has run its course and the idiots need to latch onto something else like a tick.

Posted by: NRPax at January 25, 2013 04:36 AM (ZQVaQ)

23 8 I love how this incident has completely disappeared from the spotlight and now all we get are conspiracy debunking and its use as a demagogic talking point.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 25, 2013 08:27 AM (RrD4h)


Well, the kids are already in the ground, right?  Can't let all of this open space go to waste.  Hey, anybody wanna dance?

Posted by: Piers Morgan at January 25, 2013 04:36 AM (BBWjt)

24 Females may be included in the Selective Service and qualify for a potential draft should one be ordered by the president, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said. The U.S. military’s civilian leader lamented that he didn’t know who ran the Selective Service, but whoever does will “have to exercise some judgment based on what we just did,” Panetta said at a Pentagon press conference Thursday. On Thursday, Panetta and Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, lifted the official ban on women serving in combat roles, removing gender barriers from jobs in the military. Congress established the U.S. Selective Service as an independent federal agency in 1940, one year ahead of the start of World War II. Presidents had drafted men in previous wars, but this was the first time it was established in peace time. In America’s history, the military has never drafted a woman or ordered her to register for the Selective Service. That could change as the service leaders determine how to institute the new policy of allowing women to serve in combat arms specialties. In doing so, it may force Congress or the president to include women or scrap the Selective Service, analysts said.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:38 AM (9Bj8R)

25

21  So if your a retired LEO you have more rights than me?You can protect your family with weaponry not available to me and mine?

 

 

Fuck that shit!

 

 

 

Posted by: Vae Victus at January 25, 2013 04:38 AM (cpMdE)

26 I've seen credible reports that indicate an SUV drove the Bushmaster to the scene.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 04:38 AM (Qxe/p)

27 The tool was the AR-15, the finger that pulled the trigger was lead by a sick heart.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 04:38 AM (Mj6r9)

28 No not at all.  It doesn't matter what the facts are because this donk push is not a response to Sandy Hook it is gravedancing on Sandy Hook to try to fix "mistakes" in their last grab.  The issue is not Sandy Hook no matter how hard the media and democrats wish it were.

The issue is Lexington and Concord and Philadelphia.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:39 AM (LRFds)

29 26 I've seen credible reports that indicate an SUV drove the Bushmaster to the scene.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 08:38 AM (Qxe/p)


It is likely there was a Big Gulp container in the cupholder right next to a McDonald's Big Mac wrapper.


Clearly, we need big gulp control

Posted by: chemjeff at January 25, 2013 04:40 AM (BBWjt)

30 Bushmaster did it.

Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at January 25, 2013 04:40 AM (+fcED)

31 Don't bet the 9/11Truthers are going to give up.  Still got the folk claiming Pearl Harbor was an inside job by FDR to get the US into war.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 04:40 AM (Mj6r9)

32 I'm now attempting to obtain firearms legally, but should the unthinkable, but now completely possible, scenario of an illegal overturning of the 2nd Amendment occur, I will obtain firearms any way I can. At that stage, all bets will be off.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 04:41 AM (XkWWK)

33 Bushmaster did it. Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 25, 2013 08:40 AM (+fcED)

It's early, but that's a serious contender for Thread Winner.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 25, 2013 04:41 AM (sbV1u)

34 When are they going to release the whole report where we can see how much the MFM got wrong?

Posted by: Vic at January 25, 2013 04:42 AM (53z96)

35 Molon Labe

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 04:42 AM (UZQM8)

36 Mrs. Feinstein's measure would exempt more than 2,200 types of hunting and sporting rifles; guns manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; and weapons used by government officials, law enforcement and retired law enforcement personnel," the Washington Times reports. I've never understood the reasoning for exempting retired law enforcement.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 04:43 AM (GFM2b)

37 Still got the folk claiming Pearl Harbor was an inside job by FDR to get the US into war. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 08:40 AM (Mj6r9) People forget that the only thing Pearl Harbor did was get us to declare War on Japan. It took the military brilliance of Hitler to then declare War on us.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:43 AM (9Bj8R)

38 Math for the morons:

Remove the Bushmaster from Adam Lanza's hands and send him into the school armed only with the two standard-capacity semi-auto pistols he carried. 

How many less children does he kill?

Show your work.

Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 04:44 AM (ga94k)

39 I've never understood the reasoning for exempting retired law enforcement. Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 08:43 AM (GFM2b) And what does " Government Official" mean?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:44 AM (9Bj8R)

40 2nd Amendment occur, I will obtain firearms any way I can. At that stage, all bets will be off. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 08:41 AM (XkWWK) If that occurs The Contract has been broken and the US ceases to exist. So instead they will leave it on the books and add obscure laws that any executive can choose to enforce or not. Get your bananas here.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 04:44 AM (UZQM8)

41 ??? Shit everyone is a Gov Official now a days or will be soon. So shit the law will apply to nobody? It'll still, on paper, apply to me.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 04:44 AM (GFM2b)

42 I've never understood the reasoning for exempting retired law enforcement. Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 08:43 AM (GFM2b) Because service is rewarded comrade...

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 04:45 AM (UZQM8)

43

"the Bushmaster shot those children with multiple rounds and was instrumental in the massacre"

 

Must have seen the daily kitteh.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 04:45 AM (BrQrN)

44 Hey I'm in the Navy. Am I a Government Official?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:45 AM (9Bj8R)

45 If both are Beretta 92F with standard double stack magazines.  That is 30rds.  Without spare magazines.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 04:45 AM (Mj6r9)

46  - 26 I've seen credible reports that indicate an SUV drove the Bushmaster to the scene.
Posted by: jwb7605
------------------------------------------------------
I think we all know the Government pulled the trigger....
They built the roads that allowed the SUV to arrive at that school...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 25, 2013 04:46 AM (trA4n)

47 After Benghazi and fast and furious , why shouldn't people have conspiracy theories?

Media also stated early no rifle was used.

Why shouldn't people be suspicious of what their told?

We have no proof that media or the government want what's best for the people. Non.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 04:46 AM (AWmfW)

48 31 Don't bet the 9/11Truthers are going to give up. Still got the folk claiming Pearl Harbor was an inside job by FDR to get the US into war. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 08:40 AM (Mj6r9) Large numbers of people all over the world still believe that Jews make matzoh from the blood of Christian children and that the the death of over 6 million was either completely fabricated or a wild exaggeration. Belief in conspiracy theories is a psychological crutch from the invasion of reality and truth into a feeble mind.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 04:46 AM (XkWWK)

49 How many less children does he kill? Show your work. Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 08:44 AM (ga94k) Can he use multiple clips? I think he had 4 handguns anyways.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 04:47 AM (FsUAO)

50 46 American Dawg,

You didn't build that....we did!

//Lieawatha Warren

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:47 AM (LRFds)

51 40 Get your bananas here. Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 08:44 AM (UZQM Banana, as in clip?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 04:48 AM (XkWWK)

52 I think we all know the Government pulled the trigger.... They built the roads that allowed the SUV to arrive at that school... Posted by: American Dawg at January 25, 2013 08:46 AM (trA4n) So Adam Lanza didn't build that tragedy. It was the Government.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:48 AM (l86i3)

53

"It's just as much a tragedy if these kids had been slaughtered with a handgun or a rifle. A rifle is a very unusual way to do this, so that is newsworthy, but I don't understand how it's very relevant moving forward."

 

You're right in the fact that the evil nutcase could have used   any kind of firearm to kill 20 little kids.   Mag capacity,  barrel length, action type, etc. mean  less than nothing when it's your sick goal to slaughter a  classroom of  trapped, panicked, and defenseless six year olds.  Less.  Than.  Nothing.  I contend he could have done the same damage with a machete, the Rwandan weapon of choice.

 

The fact that he used an AR isn't relevant to anyone who understands the above and  isn't interested in lying about it to check a box on their agenda.  But to those who have the ultimate  goal of disarming the American people, the fact he and others used a weapon that they had already cast as a Bad Thing  is a golden opportunity. 

 

The left's  goal is as evil and destuctive as the one the nutcase in CT had.  

Posted by: Jaws at January 25, 2013 04:48 AM (4I3Uo)

54 I'm beginning to feel like this gun grab is a stunt. If we all dug a little deeper we'd find every damned congress POS has moved all their investments into these gun companies. This is just a fucking bubble they are pushing to pad their accounts. But now that the circus has gone on too long, their constituents expect a result. The result, a stupid obscure law that says that if I duct tape a flashlight to my shotgun its classified as an assault weapon.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 04:48 AM (UZQM8)

55 How many less children does he kill?

FEWER, dammit.  fewer

Posted by: English Nazi at January 25, 2013 04:48 AM (Qxe/p)

56 The very name "Bushmaster" is all the left need hear.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 04:48 AM (XkWWK)

57

Large numbers of people all over the world still believe that Jews make matzoh from the blood of Christian children and that the the death of over 6 million was either completely fabricated or a wild exaggeration.

 

Belief in conspiracy theories is a psychological crutch from the invasion of reality and truth into a feeble mind. 

 

It's  a complete exaggeration by the  Jewish-controlled  American media  that large numbers of people believe those things.

 

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 04:49 AM (BrQrN)

58 Judging from the ravings of David Attenborough and David Suzuki, you'd think the left would be cheering the elimination of parasitic humans from the Earth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 04:50 AM (XkWWK)

59 Math for the morons:  Remove the Bushmaster from Adam Lanza's hands and send him into the school armed only with the two standard-capacity semi-auto pistols he carried. How many less children does he kill?  Show your work.  Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 08:44 AM (ga94k)

None!  Because it's a gun-free zone!  

Ha!  Take that Rethuglikkkan mouth-breathers!

Posted by: Typical In-Need-of-Psychotropic-Meds Leftard at January 25, 2013 04:51 AM (sbV1u)

60 How many less children does he kill? FEWER, dammit. fewer Posted by: English Nazi at January 25, 2013 08:48 AM (Qxe/p) No Mein Furer. It's "Does he kill less children. Fewer works no where in that sentence.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:51 AM (l86i3)

61 I contend he could have done the same damage with a machete, the Rwandan weapon of choice. Cans of kerosene are a helluva thing. Apropos of nothing, how many young black men have been killed by guns in Chicago so far this year?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 04:51 AM (VtjlW)

62 Math for the morons: Remove the Bushmaster from Adam Lanza's hands and send him into the school armed only with the two standard-capacity semi-auto pistols he carried. How many less children does he kill? Show your work. Define "standard capacity semi auto". Standard capacity revolver is 6 rounds across all makes and models with minor 5 & 7 shot variances. Standard capacity semi auto changes among makers, more so among calibers.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 04:51 AM (GFM2b)

63 " I'm beginning to feel like this gun grab is a stunt. If we all dug a little deeper we'd find every damned congress POS has moved all their investments into these gun companies. This is just a fucking bubble they are pushing to pad their accounts. " I almost hope that's what this is about, just so I can respect some kind of savvy to this hysteria that I think is just ignorance. They sure as hell have made a lot of gun owners who wanted to sell, and a lot of gun dealers and manufacturers, a pretty nice profit.

Posted by: Dustin at January 25, 2013 04:52 AM (D9999)

64 57 Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 08:49 AM (BrQrN) Jooz do, in fact, control the media. Look at Al Jazeera, Reuters and the BBC. If you say them backwards (right to left, get i?) they spell out "I worship pastrami."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 04:52 AM (XkWWK)

65 Conspiracy nut: "What we have here is this infinite onion........"

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at January 25, 2013 04:52 AM (tqAT4)

66 The very name "Bushmaster" is all the left need hear. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 08:48 AM (XkWWK) Maybe at first they thought Hillary was involved.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:52 AM (l86i3)

67 we must apply the Clinton Doctrine in cases like these, so ... What Difference Does It Make? hey does anyone know what kind of cigar Bill used when he.... Ah I guess "What Difference Does It Make?"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:52 AM (9Bj8R)

68 Just remember all of those Executive Actions were sold on the premise of 'saving just one life.'  If that statement is true, then why did they wait until after this tragedy? 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 04:53 AM (Mj6r9)

69 A county in California is trying to rid paintball because it promotes guns or something.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 04:53 AM (9e+9n)

70 Frickin' morons.

From the article Andy posted...

20 children killed.  Lanza carried a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun.  Assume no spare magazines. 

Let me help you out some more:

Standard capacity magazine for both is 10-rounds.







Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 04:53 AM (ga94k)

71 re: "I've never understood the reasoning for exempting retired law enforcement."

Because fuck you civ, that's why.

Also, cops tend to retire very young, so they make up a fine reserve force of people the government can call up when they need dudes who'd joyfully empty a large magazine in your far-right terrorist piece-of-shit face.

And also into your wife and kids and dog and anything or anybody else who's in wildly-rage-firing range.

Posted by: oblig. at January 25, 2013 04:54 AM (cePv8)

72 @51

Bananas as in republic, which is what we are heading towards.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 25, 2013 04:54 AM (RrD4h)

73 nice work media. everything we were told was wrong and i mean everything except that kids were dead. all the reporting for the first 24 hours was total bullshit. I think after the first day a lot of people tune stuff out. So a week later some gun grabber is on TV yammering about he used an "assault rifle" how many people said "no he used hand guns the rifle was in the car" I think that's how a lot of people not given to conspiracies get sucked into these things. Yeah the Alex Jones crowd goes right to crisis actors and the kids weren't real, the whole thing was staged bullshit. But if the initial reporting is not close to correct and the real facts that come out a week later happen to line up as the best case scenario for gun grabbers to parade a bunch of little coffins around how many people just treat the correction as spin or worse?

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at January 25, 2013 04:54 AM (HEa5q)

74 Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 08:53 AM (ga94k) Eat your own shit troll, start with, "What difference does it make?"

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:55 AM (l86i3)

75 Apropos of nothing, how many young black men have been killed by guns in Chicago so far this year? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 08:51 AM (VtjlW)

Chicago?  Murders?  Black men?  Why....to even ask the question means you're a racist.  These people are trapped in hopelessness and poverty!

Translation from the Libtard-ese:  C'mon, we all know blacks are savages, you can't expect to hold them to Caucasian standards.  We just agree not to talk about it out of politeness.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 25, 2013 04:55 AM (sbV1u)

76 Those kids (and adults) were defenseless. They cowered under desks and chairs. What else could they do? I suppose a hero could have attacked into a hail of bullets, but educators are not as highly trained as most of the morons here. It would not have made a whip of difference if the weapon was a machete and Lanza was running amok. There would have been a massacre just the same. Same defenseless kids and adults. Same bloodbath. Different media spin.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 04:55 AM (m0v2L)

77 United States v. Miller 1939.
Miller possessed a sawed-off shotgun banned under the National Firearms Act. He argued that he had a right to bear the weapon under the Second Amendment, but the Supreme Court ruled against him. Why? At the time, sawed-off shotguns were not being used in a military application, and the Supremes ruled that since it didnÂ’t, it was not protected. Even though Miller lost that argument, the Miller case set the precedent that protected firearms have a military, and thus a legitimate and protected Militia use. The military now uses shotguns regularly, but not very short, sawed-off shotguns, but an AR-15/AK-47 type weapon is currently in use by the military, therefore it is a protected weapon for the Unorganized Militia, which includes just about every American citizen now that both age and sex discrimination are illegal. (The original Militia included men of age 17-45) Therefore any firearm that is applicable to military use is clearly protected under Article II, and that includes all those nasty-looking semi-automatic black rifles, including full 30 round magazines.

Posted by: Charlton Heston at January 25, 2013 04:55 AM (e8kgV)

78 Who is to say that if Lanza hadn't been able to steal guns, he wouldn't have used a bomb and killed a much larger number of people? This second guessing stuff is sickening.

Posted by: Dustin at January 25, 2013 04:55 AM (D9999)

79 We already know the source of most contemporary conspiracy theories.  Our incompetent media is to blame.

Most of them were thinking about Barack Obama at the time of the shooting, and their brains were not functioning properly.  So as they always do in this situation, they lied.

Posted by: gastorgrab at January 25, 2013 04:56 AM (FX38i)

80 Hillary = Bushmaster !
O.S.P. You never fail to crack me up....

Posted by: American Dawg at January 25, 2013 04:57 AM (trA4n)

81 Typical Media Members thought process: A school full of kids just got shot! How can I make this help Chocolate Jesus?

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at January 25, 2013 04:58 AM (HEa5q)

82 The truth is Sandy Hook stinks similar to Oklahoma City. This is proven by the fact that Obama's lap dogs have STFU on any details.

Posted by: Huggy at January 25, 2013 04:58 AM (QwurB)

83 So what?  Lt. Vance could simply be repeating what he was told to repeat, too.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 25, 2013 04:58 AM (YYJjz)

84 Fly your failing is to expect the Horde to read things.  20 is still plenty to do damage.  Particularly if the kids are huddled in a corner with a teacher over them and one round pierces multiple small bodies.

OSP, not really a Bushmaster, more like Daisy Cutter in that case.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 04:58 AM (Mj6r9)

85 Two things to note on the referenced article: (1) it uses the term "assault rifle" which even Slate admitted applies only to automatic weapons, not the Bushmaster. (2) nowhere in the article is the word "autopsy" or any other indications of actual evidence -- just that Lt. Whatshisname says it was the Bushmaster.

That is not "debunking"; it is refuting. Debunking implies that physical evidence was presented.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at January 25, 2013 04:59 AM (vt07s)

86

Let me help you out some more:

Standard capacity magazine for both is 10-rounds.


Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 08:53 AM (ga94k)

 

 

BUZZZZZZZZZZ

 

Wrong.  Thanks for playing.

Posted by: Jaws at January 25, 2013 04:59 AM (4I3Uo)

87 That's what they want you to think. **cuts eyes right and left**

Posted by: toby928© presents another finely crafted comment at January 25, 2013 04:59 AM (QupBk)

88 It's "Does he kill less children. Fewer works no where in that sentence.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 08:51 AM (l86i3)

I was assuming you could discretely quantify the number of dead kids.
They are calling this a mass killing, but there was a body count.

http://tinyurl.com/62r49k


Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 04:59 AM (Qxe/p)

89 See the headline on Drudge: Hillary is seeing double from her blood clot on the brain? Maybe explains her irrational behavior also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:59 AM (9Bj8R)

90 If you say them backwards (right to left, get i?) they spell out "I worship pastrami." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 08:52 AM (XkWWK) Fuck. You. Now I have to go to the deli for lunch.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 05:00 AM (VtjlW)

91 Also note that the article says the Bushmaster "sprayed" bullets. It could "spray" bullets only as fast as any other semi-automatic: one bullet per trigger pull.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at January 25, 2013 05:00 AM (vt07s)

92 Posted by: Charlton Heston at January 25, 2013 08:55 AM (e8kgV)



I actually met Charlton Heston.  It is one of the highlights of my life.  Here was someone you could admire for many reasons.







Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 05:00 AM (bb5+k)

93

57  "Large numbers of people all over the world still believe that Jews make matzoh from the blood of Christian children..."

 

I'm pretty sure that's right on the package, along with the calories and saturated fat.

 

 

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 05:00 AM (ZDsRL)

94 38 Math for the morons:

Remove the Bushmaster from Adam Lanza's hands and send him into the school armed only with the two standard-capacity semi-auto pistols he carried.

How many less children does he kill?

Show your work.

Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 08:44 AM (ga94k)

I give you the "Gun free zone Virginia Tech" scenario.

For killing completely defenseless children inside a building, choosing a rifle just makes it more complex.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 05:01 AM (AWmfW)

95 Anna Puma:

My point is that Dumb Dianne's AWB wouldn't have done a thing to lower the death count at Sandy Hook because neither of the two semi-auto pistols he carried are on her fantasy list.

In my math problem, the answer is -2, by the way.

Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 05:01 AM (ga94k)

96 If you say them backwards (right to left, get i?) they spell out "I worship pastrami." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2013 08:52 AM (XkWWK) Fuck. You. Now I have to go to the deli for lunch. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 09:00 AM (VtjlW) Hot corn beef and pastrami on rye bread? On man I gotta find a good deli this afternoon

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 05:02 AM (9Bj8R)

97 Not to spoil the subject matter , but that fly landing on that forehead of Berry is a classic, I am currently in the process of putting that picture enlarge of course too actual expanded head size, over the booze locker

Posted by: Clemenza at January 25, 2013 05:02 AM (x59Gv)

98

Do the unorganized militia count as government officials?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 05:02 AM (4vofC)

99 I was assuming you could discretely quantify the number of dead kids. They are calling this a mass killing, but there was a body count. http://tinyurl.com/62r49k Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 08:59 AM (Qxe/p) OK, but if you're gonna be a Nazi, you should at least be a good one.After all, the tards see us as Nazis and we shouldn't let them down. Nazis are not ambiguous.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:02 AM (l86i3)

100 @ 96 if you be in southern Mexifornia near La try Izzy's clean and great samwich and soup..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 25, 2013 05:03 AM (x59Gv)

101 Fly by saying -2 you are declaring without a doubt that there would have been two less deaths.  What are you , some kind of junior deity like Clothos? 

Try again.  You can not categorically say such. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 05:03 AM (Mj6r9)

102 And the shooter isn't allowed to bring extra magazines? I still don't get this scenario he's trying to build.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 05:04 AM (FsUAO)

103 It takes me 4 seconds to change magazines, unpracticed. So if Lanza had 10-round magazines instead of 30, it would have added 8 seconds to each 30 rounds he used.

I'm thinking he could have killed 26 people with or without those extra 8 seconds per 30 rounds, given it took non-crazy men with guns about 10 or 20 minutes to show up.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at January 25, 2013 05:05 AM (vt07s)

104 HoboJerky, methinks someone is building a delusion built on fancy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 05:05 AM (Mj6r9)

105 I blame the libtard ACLU for shutting down the funny farms and turning the mentally ill loose on the populace.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:05 AM (l86i3)

106 This guy could have wreaked the same havoc using a revolver. He was shooting fish in a barrel.

Posted by: sTevo at January 25, 2013 05:05 AM (ZR//o)

107 Speaking of conspiracy theories, it's supposed to start snowing around noon. *looks out window* *watches white stuff fall from sky* Mooooooooom, ace is using that time machine that he doesn't have and won't let anyone use again!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 05:05 AM (VtjlW)

108 Let me help you out some more: Standard capacity magazine for both is 10-rounds. Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 08:53 AM (ga94k) BUZZZZZZZZZZ Wrong. Thanks for playing. Basically, the P-226 is the P-220 modified to accept a double-column magazine holding 15 rounds of 9mm Parabellum ammunition. Sorry to get technical, but if details don't matter...

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 05:05 AM (GFM2b)

109 And what does " Government Official" mean?

Anything we want, comrade. Anything we want. [cocks Makarov]

Posted by: Sharp looking uniform with jhodpurs and high boots at January 25, 2013 05:05 AM (ZIah7)

110 I do not deny that the sandy hook truthers are off base. However, they reasoning isn't as faulty as some suggest. There starting point is, "the media can not be trusted at all, to such a degree that they very substance of their reporting is suspect." That is different from our position only by matters of degrees, for we add 2 caveats: 1) media silence is indicative of a conspiracy moreso than reporting 2) on major events widely reported, the substance is still trustworthy Kinda fucking scary when you use logic instead of programmed knee jerk responses isn't it? I mean, FF, liborgate, bengahzi, the outright fabrication of economic data for months, Sen. menendez (scandals 1,2, and 3)... But hundreds of people can't all be corrupt! Except when democrats and liberals and bankers are involved.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 25, 2013 05:06 AM (8iy5P)

111 Any explanation of the timeline, twenty minutes can't be right or the name of the doctor who was talked out of filing the domestic abuse export by sickos mom? You know the "stuff that matters".

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 05:06 AM (VRCBg)

112 "It's all these conspiracy theorists that are trying to mucky up the waters," said Vance, the longtime state police spokesman. That's seriously fucking rich coming from a member of and spokesman for the establishment hell bent on establishing and keeping a monopoly on force. That same monopoly on force turns all elementary schools into free-fire zones. This douchenozzle is misdirecting the focus to the conspiracy theory to "mucky up the waters" around the plain fact that he and the other assholes who pretend to give a rat's ass about public safety as an excuse for their power-grabbing personal agendas charge their own fucking selves with maintaining that safety. They failed. Just like they failed in so many other high-profile cases any of us could list off the tops of our heads. Just a few short months ago, my default position would have been that these guys put on their uniforms, leave their houses in the morning, and put themselves into harm's way for the rest of us. Now, I look at that fucking chucklehead's photograph, see the gray shirt, make a note to myself that gray is the new brown, and think that since there is no way to tell who is lying, all the fuckers must be lying. Whether these tinpot little shits make good-faith efforts to protect public safety is immaterial. The playing field is stacked in favor of the sick fucks, and collectivist cocksuckers like this Vance sack of shit play important parts in setting that table.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 25, 2013 05:06 AM (V3kRK)

113 Boosh.
Master.

I see what they're doing now ...

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 05:06 AM (Qxe/p)

114 Clotho (Greek: Κλωθώ is the youngest of the Three Fates or Moirai - including her sisters Lachesis and Atropos, in ancient Greek mythology. Her Roman equivalent is Nona. Clotho was responsible for spinning the thread of human life. She also made major decisions, such as when a person was born, thus in effect controlling people's lives. This power enabled her not only to choose who was born, but also to decide when gods or mortals were to be saved or put to death. You may now continue.

Posted by: @SOEarpiece at January 25, 2013 05:06 AM (evdj2)

115 The Federal government has no authority to ban or limit any firearms of people residing in the states.

The states could and should ignore any weapons or firearms ban or clip/magazine ban.

Irrespective of what the supreme court says.

This is the same court that issued the Kelo decsision which is shredded property rights.

It might be tree of liberty time.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 25, 2013 05:07 AM (RrD4h)

116 70 Frickin' morons.

From the article Andy posted...

20 children killed. Lanza carried a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun. Assume no spare magazines.

Let me help you out some more:

Standard capacity magazine for both is 10-rounds.







Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 08:53 AM (ga94k)


He wanted to kill those children to tell the world about his grievance , why wouldn't he bring extra guns or spare magz?Like the nut at Virginia Tech.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 05:07 AM (AWmfW)

117

Paul Vance is a pretty straight guy, but the staties in Connecticut tend to be a little, shall we say, touched in the head.

I was just surprised that the "news" that there was no assault weapon used came from NBC.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 25, 2013 05:08 AM (9U1OG)

118 Anna Puma:

(10+1) + (10+1) = 22

(Yes, I know the 9mm has a greater standard capacity mag, but roll with me here in context of the proposed 10-round mag limit).

The answer is a negative two LESS children shot.

Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 05:09 AM (ga94k)

119 So slightly off topic,

Because I was forced to register with selective service when I turned 18, does that make me part of a well regulated militia? 

Posted by: Dave C at January 25, 2013 05:09 AM (1AgQ/)

120 Paul Vance is a pretty straight guy, but the staties in Connecticut tend to be a little, shall we say, touched in the head. I was just surprised that the "news" that there was no assault weapon used came from NBC. Posted by: Jaimo at January 25, 2013 09:08 AM (9U1OG) The media stopped telling the truth during Viet Nam.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:09 AM (l86i3)

121

102And the shooter isn't allowed to bring extra magazines?

 

 

 

Magazine-free zone. Duh!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 05:10 AM (m0v2L)

122 So work today is just a bundle of sunshine.

My client company was purchased by a competitor, and the merger/takeover is happening.

Rats.  Sinking ships.  Some disassembly required.

It's almost like working in a funeral.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 05:10 AM (8y9MW)

123

Lee Harvey Oswald--subject and victime of mind control.  The experiments on military subjects began in the mid-to late 50s, when Oswald was in the Marine Corps, receiving intelligence training-and learning to speak /Russian fluently.  Here is the book:

We Were Controlled by Lincoln Lawrence, 1967.  Quite the enigmatic and compelling read.   

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 25, 2013 05:10 AM (wbmaj)

124 The answer is a negative two LESS children shot. Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 09:09 AM (ga94k) The answer is you have no clue what you are talking about. Go back to Kos.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:10 AM (l86i3)

125  - 105 I blame the libtard ACLU for shutting down the funny farms and turning the mentally ill loose on the populace. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet,
-------------------------------------------------------------
EXACTLY !
 Most people blame Reagan for this , it actually started under Kennedy and the ACLU won a majior case in the late 60's for patient rights...Reagan did close many mental institutions in Kalifornia but only after the ACLU won their case and 80 % of those hospitals were empty...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 25, 2013 05:11 AM (trA4n)

126

105I blame the libtard ACLU for shutting down the funny farms and turning the mentally ill loose on the populace.

 

On this point, I'll do my best impression of the typical MSLSD "republican" and throw the Reagan administration under the bus too.  

 

The left and the right were both happy to close the loony bins back then.  The left had let the movie  "One Flew Over The Coocoo's Nest" color their view of all facilities.  The right was happy to save the cash. 

Posted by: Jaws at January 25, 2013 05:12 AM (4I3Uo)

127 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:10 AM (8y9MW) I'm sorry to hear that. Um. It's Friday?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 05:12 AM (VtjlW)

128 So will women have to register for selective service?

Posted by: Mainah at January 25, 2013 05:12 AM (659DL)

129 The answer is a negative two LESS children shot. So two MORE? I was assured that there would be no algebra on this blog.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 05:12 AM (evdj2)

130 I did a post after the Aurora shooting on the 1984 Assault Weapon Ban, focusing only on mass shootings that happened during the ban, proving that the ban prevented zero shootings. Columbine - TEC-9 with 28, 32 and 50 round mags. All explicitly banned. Weapons illegally obtained by minors. Arkansas - fucking 12-year olds! Why don't we make it illegal for minors to possess weapons? Oh, that's right. WE DO. Those are just two of many examples. Fuck, liberals are stupid.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 05:12 AM (mOyDx)

131 I expect Warren Commission level distortion to be with us into the distant future regarding Sandy-hook.

Posted by: sTevo at January 25, 2013 05:12 AM (ZR//o)

132 I don't generally believe in conspiracy theories because they are too hard to maintain. Saying that he only used handguns and the po-po isn't being helpful dispelling that is hardly a conspiracy. It's standard MO while they grab our guns.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 05:13 AM (FsUAO)

133 Fly you can clutch at your pathetic crutch all you want.  You assume Adam would only bring one magazine for each handgun and then only 10rd capacity.  You assume much unless you were living inside Adam's head.  You are blowing smoke out your arse so you can push a fantasy.  Go back to deep-throating.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 05:13 AM (Mj6r9)

134 Children were killed with a gun?

When did this happen?

oh, my head...

Where am I ?

Posted by: Hillary at January 25, 2013 05:13 AM (EZl54)

135 It takes me 4 seconds to change magazines, unpracticed. So if Lanza had 10-round magazines instead of 30, it would have added 8 seconds to each 30 rounds he used.

I'm thinking he could have killed 26 people with or without those extra 8 seconds per 30 rounds, given it took non-crazy men with guns about 10 or 20 minutes to show up.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at January 25, 2013 09:05 AM (vt07s)


For what it's worth, I recall seeing (During the Clinton era discussion on the "Assault Weapons Ban") the NRA staging a demonstration in which they matched a person with a 17 round clip against a person with a six round clip.


They both started firing a series of rounds at a target.  The person with the six round clip was only missing one round every seventh shot to the person that was firing continuously.  It was a very graphic demonstration that the difference in clip size is utterly trivial to the end result. 


The guy could reload that six round clip in the time it took the other guy to fire one round. Something like 3/4ths of a second.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 05:13 AM (bb5+k)

136 The media stopped telling the truth during Viet Nam. Earlier, during the terror famine in the Ukraine under Stalin.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 05:13 AM (uhAkr)

137 toby928:  Thank you!

(Would you please notify Poet that I'm not a troll) lol

Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 05:14 AM (ga94k)

138 Good thing a government employee whose boss wants to take away our guns showed up to provide claims substantiated only by other government employees to back up his boss's position about taking our guns. I can't possibly imagine why rational people suspect something is wrong here. It's time the Mittards gather around, and accept a simple fact: the government and the media are so untrustworthy that their mere ascertain if the truthfulness of a thing is cause to doubt the truthfulness of the thing.

Posted by: HoPeless at January 25, 2013 05:14 AM (62WS0)

139 103 It takes me 4 seconds to change magazines, unpracticed. So if Lanza had 10-round magazines instead of 30, it would have added 8 seconds to each 30 rounds he used.

I'm thinking he could have killed 26 people with or without those extra 8 seconds per 30 rounds, given it took non-crazy men with guns about 10 or 20 minutes to show up.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at January 25, 2013 09:05 AM (vt07s)


And Lanza was "fighting" 7 year old  kids  , Cho at VT killed more people and they were not kids.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 05:14 AM (AWmfW)

140

Well, Bobby Jindal is sure helping matters.

 

The media line for the next four years will be:  Now that republican leaders have admitted they are the stupid party, will they finally drop their positions and accept democrat policies?

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 05:14 AM (ZDsRL)

141 "What difference does it make?" The rallying cry of the angst-ridden adolescent as well as of the condescending "skeptical" liberal arts student. No wonder so much of the country doesn't care/supports Clinton.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 05:14 AM (Y5I9o)

142 Paul Vance is a pretty straight guy, but the staties in Connecticut tend to be a little, shall we say, touched in the head. A pretty straight guy could have said that the initial news reports were wrong. A pretty straight guy would have called the new organizations that screwed up in their initial reporting by name. A pretty straight guy would never have indulged himself with this editorializing: "It's all these conspiracy theorists that are trying to mucky up the waters," said Vance, the longtime state police spokesman. Name these conspiracy theorists. Name them. Start with the names of the reporters that fucked up the initial reporting. What could be more useful than cultivating and maintaining a reputation as a "pretty straight guy" when fronting for crooked-ass motherfucking collectivists for you paycheck?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 25, 2013 05:15 AM (V3kRK)

143 Anna too.   lol

Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 05:15 AM (ga94k)

144 Speaking of stupidity: Man forced to remove shirt in Quantas flight because other passengers were frightened by his Inigo Montoya shirt. http://preview.tinyurl.com/az4kefq

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 25, 2013 05:15 AM (qFpRI)

145 (cont. @141)...as if asking the question absolves you of the responsibility for providing an answer.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 05:15 AM (Y5I9o)

146 Slate editors at large hardest hit.

Posted by: egd at January 25, 2013 05:16 AM (XVGEg)

147 @ fly Didn't I see you at an Obama presser recently?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 25, 2013 05:16 AM (zjHFU)

148 Oh, gross, the fly has Obama on him. Blecch.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 25, 2013 05:16 AM (Ec6wH)

149 Sean, OSP, and others of the Horde.  From South Korea.  Yeah OT but I think we need it.

http://youtu.be/yQasjsnABPc

Hand salute!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 05:16 AM (Mj6r9)

150 I blame the libtard ACLU for shutting down the funny farms and turning the mentally ill loose on the populace.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 09:05 AM (l86i3)


This point is not addressed nearly enough.  People used to be institutionalized for being crazy.   In the last few months I have read that the move to de-institutionalize people began with the book "One Flew over the Cuckoos nest" which highlighted abuses of the mentally ill. 


As a result of the Public outcry, the Kennedy Administration (of course) started efforts to DE-instuttionalize people.  Eventually a court decision said that you CAN'T institutionalize people UNLESS you can prove they are a threat to themselves or others. (like that is easy to prove before the fact.)




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 05:17 AM (bb5+k)

151 Fill my eyes with that double vision
No disguise for that double vision
Ooh, when it gets through to me, it's always new to me
My double vision gets the best of me

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2013 05:17 AM (/ZZCn)

152 (Yes, I know the 9mm has a greater standard capacity mag, but roll with me here in context of the proposed 10-round mag limit). Why roll? He was a fucking loonie. He KILLED his mother to get the guns. Why do you expect he would abide by a 10 rd limit? Even IF, by some STRANGE reason he did abide by this mythical 10 round limit, semi autos are shipped from the factory with TWO magazines per gun. So, 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 = 40. With all of the above, killing his mother, stealing her guns, and killing children, you think he wouldn't carry the extra magazines, that makes this excersise pointless.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 05:17 AM (GFM2b)

153 So let me get this right.... Retired leos can still get the horrible black guns? Cool

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 05:17 AM (YcOel)

154 Hey, I could SWAT that fly for you. I'm experienced in that sort of this, you know...

Posted by: Brat Timberlane at January 25, 2013 05:18 AM (Y5I9o)

155 Ban Head Injuries!


...What? Is someone talking?


Is that music?

Posted by: St. Hillary the Forgetful at January 25, 2013 05:18 AM (EZl54)

156 Earlier, during the terror famine in the Ukraine under Stalin. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 09:13 AM (uhAkr) Hmm. I agree if you believe lies of omission are equivalent to making shit up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:18 AM (l86i3)

157 Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 09:09 AM (ga94k)

Do you aspire to stupid?  I mean, that's a pretty lofty goal for a retarded semi-sentient like yourself.  Are you sure you can reach it?

What you want us to accept "for the purposes of argument" is that someone willing to kill children will otherwise not break the law AND ALSO will not follow the law in such a way that he still has plenty of ammunition to carry out his goal of slaughtering as many kids as possible.

So, let's say you ban anything other than handguns and bolt or lever action rifles.  Now some psycho comes along and wants to kill as many people as possible.

If he's methodical and plans it out well in advance, he'll have ample opportunity to get an illegal weapon- so your ban is nothing more than a farce.  If he's not methodical and doing it because of some near-term cause (psychotic break, rage crime, whatever) he'll still use multiple magazines.

One thing and one thing only stops these people, and it's a show of force.  Sometimes they try to fight and wind up dying or wounded.  Sometimes they simply surrender.  Sometimes they commit suicide.  But in all cases, the proximate cause of the end of the encounter is a show of force.

Sometimes that show of force is one or two people (see Hassan, Goat F*cker Traitor), sometimes it's overwhelming force (see this skidmark).  In either case, it's force.

And what you want to do is make it more difficult to make that show of force.

Why do you want children to die?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 05:20 AM (8y9MW)

158 Hmm. I agree if you believe lies of omission are equivalent to making shit up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 09:18 AM (l86i3)


People reporting facts about Stalin were called liars.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 05:20 AM (AWmfW)

159 Playing off OSP and One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest.  In my imagination this might have played out in the Lanza case.  Alas my imagination in this matter is based on actual cases.

Judge to mother of Adam Lanza.  "Ma'am you think he is a danger to himself and others?"

Mrs. Lanza, "Yes your honor."

Judge to expert, "Doctor do you concur?"

Doctor, "Certainly not.  As long as Adam takes his medicines he is perfectly fine."

Judge bangs gavel, "I find no reason to involuntarily commit Adam Lanza to a state institution."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 05:20 AM (Mj6r9)

160

On the topic of Sandy Hook...

 

It only took 10 weeks to get a basic fact straight about what gun was used, something that should have been available within 24 hours.

 

Now, in the midst of proposed legislation to make sure this never happens again, we don't have a clue as to what this guy was doing at that elementary school, why he picked that particular class or any other information as to motive. 

 

Why wouldn't this come out?  We're not going to interfere with a prosecution.

 

 

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 05:20 AM (ZDsRL)

161 Libya...


Is that, like, a city?



Posted by: St. Hillary the Forgetful at January 25, 2013 05:21 AM (EZl54)

162 People reporting facts about Stalin were called liars. Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 09:20 AM (AWmfW) I did not know that.That woul certainly be making shit up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:21 AM (l86i3)

163 He KILLED his mother to get the guns. Why do you expect he would abide by a 10 rd limit?

Oh, you stupid wingnutz and your silly refusal to believe humanity can be perfected if there's just enough government involvement in everyone's lives!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 05:22 AM (ZKzrr)

164 The media stopped telling the truth during Viet Nam.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 09:09 AM (l86i3)


Walter Duranty.

William Randolph Hearst.







Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 05:22 AM (bb5+k)

165 Hundreds of people can't possibly be in on corruption and murder and coverups! Unlike Benghazi, FF, Liborgate, the wholesale falsification of our economic numbers for at least a year, foreclosuregate... With the corruption of the Dems and the bankers, and the military's ability to keep some serious special forces secrets on a regular basis-- the argument of numbers is an empty argument. Even if people talked, the media does not report or misreports.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 25, 2013 05:22 AM (IqMNQ)

166 William Randolph Heart and the sinking of USS Maine.  How the US ended up taking the Philippines and Cuba.  And coined the term Yellow Journalism.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 05:23 AM (Mj6r9)

167 I am thinking US Postal workers would be considered government officials for the exemption. Even the disgruntled ones.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2013 05:24 AM (1OZSU)

168 Hand salute! Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:16 AM (Mj6r9) So Anna, how old are these ladies? I need to know if I am a Pedo or not.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:24 AM (l86i3)

169 Oh, I saw up thread that some said it takes 4 seconds to change clips on a handgun Someone needs some range time ASAP Ar15 or not, evil was going to happen that day

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 05:24 AM (YcOel)

170 Ben took a dump.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 05:24 AM (8y9MW)

171 Judge to mother of Adam Lanza. "Ma'am you think he is a danger to himself and others?" Mrs. Lanza, "Yes your honor." Judge to expert, "Doctor do you concur?" Doctor, "Certainly not. As long as Adam takes his medicines he is perfectly fine." Judge bangs gavel, "I find no reason to involuntarily commit Adam Lanza to a state institution." Cut. Print. Distribute the scripts to the actors. Dress rehersal in one hour!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 05:25 AM (GFM2b)

172 LOL OSP.  Would you kick them out of your bed if in 'Po-city?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 05:25 AM (Mj6r9)

173 It was against the law for Rebels to own blasters and shoot them at Stormtroopers.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 05:25 AM (jp2Ur)

174 William Randolph Heart and the sinking of USS Maine. How the US ended up taking the Philippines and Cuba. And coined the term Yellow Journalism. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:23 AM (Mj6r9) I'm learning today. I like it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:26 AM (l86i3)

175 William Randolph Heart and the sinking of USS Maine. How the US ended up taking the Philippines and Cuba. And coined the term Yellow Journalism. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:23 AM (Mj6r9) Sounds like a good deal to me. How come we gave them both away?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 05:26 AM (9Bj8R)

176 Oh, I saw up thread that some said it takes 4 seconds to change clips on a handgun
Someone needs some range time ASAP

4 seconds is FOREVER.

I've only been in simulated fights (sparing matches, SCA fights, etc.) and I know how time dilates while you're fighting.  A long fight takes a minute or two.  If it takes you 4 seconds to change magazines, something is seriously wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 05:26 AM (8y9MW)

177 Oh, I saw up thread that some said it takes 4 seconds to change clips on a handgun
Someone needs some range time ASAP
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 09:24 AM

I practice changing magazines more that I shoot.

Posted by: Department of Accuracy at January 25, 2013 05:26 AM (+I8Mq)

178 My Congresscritter has told me in writing that Lanza actually carried enough ammo to kill every student enrolled at the school.

Can any of the Horde fact check that statement for me?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 05:26 AM (WHl4d)

179 As a result of the Public outcry, the Kennedy Administration (of course) started efforts to DE-instuttionalize people. Eventually a court decision said that you CAN'T institutionalize people UNLESS you can prove they are a threat to themselves or others. (like that is easy to prove before the fact.) Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 09:17 AM (bb5+k) I'm a little torn on this. If this hadn't been changed, Libs in charge could just saying conservatives are mentally ill and throw us into the funny farm. Now they have to prove that we are a physical danger to others, which is why they are pushing the gun angle. Makes the bar higher for stripping liberty.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 05:27 AM (FsUAO)

180 LOL OSP. Would you kick them out of your bed if in 'Po-city? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:25 AM (Mj6r9) I will be falling back on the 5th Amendment thing.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 05:27 AM (l86i3)

181 Jwest, shut up! Dont you know that the media is on the case? And that government agents are virtuous in all their activity, because they work for the government? You're a truther, and therefore must be dismissed out of hand!

Posted by: Hopeless at January 25, 2013 05:27 AM (qHQCW)

182

167I am thinking US Postal workers would be considered government officials for the exemption.

 

 

Sheeet! How about them evil black guns in the hands of a Social Security secretary?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 05:28 AM (m0v2L)

183 173 It was against the law for Rebels to own blasters and shoot them at Stormtroopers. I was behind that 100%. God damn hippies.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 05:28 AM (uhAkr)

184 Is it because I'm black?

Posted by: A Bushmaster Rifle at January 25, 2013 05:29 AM (MBqvE)

185 Sheeet! How about them evil black guns in the hands of a Social Security secretary?

Couple years ago I had to get a replacement card, and the nearest office was in a Milwaukee neighborhood known to be a Democrat stronghold IYKWIMAITYD, which was staffed with armed guards. For the safety of the workers, of course, not for my safety.

I guess people get upset when their spurious claims to free shit get denied.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 05:30 AM (ZKzrr)

186
Hmm. I agree if you believe lies of omission are equivalent to making shit up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 09:18 AM (l86i3)


The way the media does it, I think they are worse.  They will gleefully report made up charges against Republicans, but they continuously omit the Party affiliation of any bad story about Democrats. 


And that's just one example. Others are Fast and Furious, the Inspector General Scandal, Bankrupt "green" investments, Benghazi,  Obama family vacation costs (1.5 billion dollars) and so on..


They don't report this stuff because it HURTS their idol.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 05:30 AM (bb5+k)

187 176 177. On the range I am bringing up a clip as I'm pressing the mag release I'd say 2 seconds at the worst I could see 4 seconds with a wheel gun

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 05:31 AM (ogVxN)

188 *facepalm*

Of course he wouldn't abide by the 10-round limit.  That wasn't part of my story problem.

Look, remove the Bushmaster from his hands and send him in with the two semi-auto handguns.  10-round mag limit on each one.  No extra mags in his belt.

In my story problem, he can still kill 22 kids, even if he followed the proposals by the gun-grabbers.

The gun-grabbers' fantasy ala Dianne Feinstien's bill does not hold water in "preventing another mass shooting of children." 

Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 05:32 AM (ga94k)

189 OSP, The more one learns about the details of history, the more disturbing it becomes. I highly recommend reading, "War is a Racket.". By the most decorated marine of all time (subsequently surpassed after his death). From there look into the congressional investigations of our involvement in WW1 (AKA, ensuring JP Morgan got paid his loans back in Europe).

Posted by: Hopeless at January 25, 2013 05:33 AM (BW3wP)

190 Fly , assume Obama wants to kill Mexicans , US border guards, an American ambassador in Libya and his guards, how many guns and what type does he need to traffic ? From where to where? 


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 05:34 AM (AWmfW)

191

"If it takes you 4 seconds to change magazines, something is seriously wrong.'

 

It's about  the easiest and cheapest  defensive handgun skill to master as well.  You don't even need to burn ammo at the range to get it down cold. 

 

Practice in your home with an empty gun and empty mags or spend a few dollars on dummy rounds.  n short order, you'll have the fresh mag on the way to the magwell before the empty one the floor.

Posted by: Jaws at January 25, 2013 05:34 AM (4I3Uo)

192 Why did we give up Cuba and Philippines?  Because we promised the people of those territories we would.  To prove we weren't the Spanish.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 05:35 AM (Mj6r9)

193
I'm a little torn on this. If this hadn't been changed, Libs in charge could just saying conservatives are mentally ill and throw us into the funny farm. Now they have to prove that we are a physical danger to others, which is why they are pushing the gun angle.

Makes the bar higher for stripping liberty.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 09:27 AM (FsUAO)


The possibility exists that had not insane people been let loose, we might never have arrived at this circumstance. 

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 05:36 AM (bb5+k)

194 You know If they take my ar15.... How am I going to kill spiders? For the record I get my 11 yo daughter to do it or toss a cat in the room and close the door

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 05:37 AM (StXqh)

195

187176 177. On the range I am bringing up a clip as I'm pressing the mag release
I'd say 2 seconds at the worst

 

Why the NRA doesn't run some commercials showing someone changing magazines just that quick is beyond me.

 

It would totally destroy the word picture the anti-gun nuts are trying to paint about how people can capture the gunman while reloading.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 05:40 AM (ZDsRL)

196

"Practice in your home with an empty gun and empty mags or spend a few dollars on dummy rounds. n short order, you'll have the fresh mag on the way to the magwell before the empty one the floor."

 

The biggest problem with quick changing the mag is getting it seated well so that when you release the bolt the round chambers smoothly.

 

You've also got to watch out for dirt or lint catching on the top of the mag.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 05:43 AM (ZDsRL)

197 The possibility exists that had not insane people been let loose, we might never have arrived at this circumstance. Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 09:36 AM (bb5+k) Maybe. Impossible to know. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. THEY let them loose on the streets, then they scream for our rights to get taken away when those people do evil things.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 05:45 AM (FsUAO)

198 So far this is what appears to be fact:

1. A crazed social outcast took advantage of sub par security at a public school and murdered some innocent children and teachers.
2. The MFM completely botched the coverage of everything since, to the point where weeks later nobody is really sure of many of the pertinent facts.
3. We are now supposed to accept the spokesperson for State LE as definitive fact without the vetting of a trusted, objective impartial source.
4. All of the usual Statist opportunists push their way to the front, and in the latest attempt to not let an opportunity for civil rights ratcheting go to waste, demagogue for all law abiding citizens that had nothing to do with this, feel responsible and over react by relinquishing their Constitutional Rights.
5. Something similar to this pattern will be repeated until their are either no rights or no totalitarian Statists left in place.   

Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2013 05:45 AM (aZ6ew)

199 As far as mag changes go, I imagine the guy could've stood there in a room full of cowering schoolchildren and reloaded a magazine with loose rounds with as much time as he had until the cops showed up.

Posted by: Andy at January 25, 2013 05:46 AM (LnQr8)

200 I didn't realize this was a conspiracy theory. In fact I didn't know what I thought to be true was a conspiracy. When I watched the news they said he used 2 semi automatic pistols and that the police had told them that an AR-15 was found in the trunk of his car. I was unaware that this was even contested or an issue. Thats what I get I guess for being totally turned off by the news and turning it off during initial reporting. But in the end it doesn't really matter what he used. What difference does it make?

Posted by: kzintius at January 25, 2013 05:51 AM (1oE9r)

201 toby928 gets an 'A' on my math problem.  The rest of you flunk.

The answer is two MORE children shot, even if he had left the Bushmaster in the trunk and abided by all other aspects of the dumb ass proposed AWB.


Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 05:53 AM (ga94k)

202 Instead of musing about how many the pscyho would have killed under x,y,z hypos, let's imagine how many he would have killed if there hadn't been a convenient gun-free fish in a barrel zone. I'm guessing zero.

Posted by: Dustin at January 25, 2013 06:08 AM (D9999)

203 Yeah, if the principal had had a piece withing reach, this might have all been over very quickly.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 06:26 AM (evdj2)

204 > At the time, sawed-off shotguns were not being used
in a military application, and the Supremes ruled that since it didnÂ’t,
it was not protected.

The prosecutor in the case lied.  Short barreled shotguns have been used by the military since at least WWI.  Government lying?  The deuce you say.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at January 25, 2013 06:28 AM (ZWvOb)

205 "Yeah, if the principal had had a piece withing reach, this might have all been over very quickly. Posted by: toby928© for TB" I believe that too, but my actual point was that the psycho coward would not have conceived of an attack where he would encounter possible resistance. He choose to gun down helpless children in a gun free zone. We was choosing the easiest target he could find. The gun free zone provoked this danger, to some extent. Weakness can be provocative, and the possibility of danger is a powerful deterrent. That's why mass shootings are usually in gun free zones. Banning ARs... obviously not an effective response. But requiring that gun free zones be actively secured or no longer gun free zones... that makes a lot of sense to me.

Posted by: Dustin at January 25, 2013 06:32 AM (D9999)

206 "Banning ARs... obviously not an effective response."

Neither is banning semi-automatic pistols having a capacity of greater than 10-rounds, as my math problem clearly demonstrates, even if nutcases were to abide by proposed AWB limits and not carry extra mags.

Posted by: fly at January 25, 2013 06:42 AM (ga94k)

207

This question was asked on the DAY of the shootings.... and only NOW is there a definitive answer....

 

THAT is why people question things.... and some take those questions to extremes.

 

This has been simmering since day one.... are there not autopsy reports a REPORTER who was doing their Job could have looked at?  Could not this question have been asked BEFORE?

 

IMO Conspiracy Theory folks exist mainly because the PRESS no longer does a good enough Job to garner the TRUST of the American People.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 25, 2013 06:54 AM (lZBBB)

208

Posted by: kzintius at January 25, 2013 09:51 AM (1oE9r)

 

 

One Man's asking unanswered questions... has become another Man's Nutty Conspiracy Theory...

 

Its like the 'was Obama born in Hawaii' thing overshadowed the Better Question (IMO) of can someone Born a DUAL Citizen, be a Natual Born Citizen, under the definition the Founder's used when the Social Contract called the Constitution was signed?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 25, 2013 06:58 AM (lZBBB)

209 I've only been in simulated fights (sparing matches, SCA fights, etc.) and I know how time dilates while you're fighting. A long fight takes a minute or two. If it takes you 4 seconds to change magazines, something is seriously wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:26 AM (8y9MW)

 

A rush of adrenalin into the system makes complex motor movements--as well as elaborate reasoning or analytical function--difficult. Vision narrows and blurs and loading a magazine and sighting a handgun (or anything) becomes problematic. The way to counter these effects is by frequent, basic, repetitive training to reinforce muscle memory and reaction, making response to conflict situations a munen muso 'no mind' event.

 

FBI Agent Jelly Bryce, arguably the greatest combat handgunner who ever lived, would practice his presentation daily in front of a full-length mirror for hours on end. His goal, he said, was to beat his own reflection. Bryce was featured in Life magazine and clocked at 4-tenths of a second from draw to fire, and he never missed. Although the FBI hasn't released the action reports and other records, Bryce killed an estimated 21 bad guys in stand-up gunfights. He was the go-to guy for handling desperate hardcases.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 07:00 AM (vtiE6)

210 I am thinking a Navy seal could go into the sandbox with 50- 5 round mags and clean house, and take out the garbage. Scary rifles and high capacity magazines are first. Then semi auto anything. Then bolt actions and finally they will come for the shotguns and single shot .22's . Its been a lieberal wet dream for years. Manly men with guns freak them out. All you guys saying take them from my cold dead hands are all the BS. Where were you in the 94 ban? As for me I'm dying. Nothing left to lose. Come and get em Obama and Biden! Biden, bring your shotgun. I have a Saiga 12. I'm Dead man walking anyway!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 25, 2013 07:02 AM (SCNfR)

211 There should be a law against killing gun owners (the mother) and another law against stealing guns. Maybe these new laws would have saved those children. Oh, and just for good measure, there should be another law to make it illegal to carry guns into schools. There, I just solved all school shootings like Sandy Hook.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 25, 2013 07:09 AM (UU0OF)

212 All you guys saying take them from my cold dead hands are all the BS. Where were you in the 94 ban?

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 25, 2013 11:02 AM (SCNfR)

 

Sorry you're dying, but what do you mean by 'Where were you in the '94 ban?'? I could be wrong, but don't recall the feds breaking into private homes to confiscate banned firearms.

 

So yeah, if the federal government wants what I've got, they'll have to work for it. That isn't bold talk from a keyboard commando. That's me telling you (and them) to expect resistance should they unlawfully send armed men to my home.

 

Again, deepest sympathy for your condition. It can't be good to know either approximately or exactly when one leaves this world.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 07:11 AM (vtiE6)

213 Its clear that the initial reporting on this tragedy was a abuse of the 1st Amendment. I think we should ban television news for all stations that have a blonde woman or gay* male newsreader and at least one other characteristic of sensation oriented news; including but not limited to: news ticker, dramatic theme music, titles that roll into screen in 3d, or a person on the street interviewer. At the least we should employ a 24 hour waiting period on reporting. Its for the children. *British accent qualifies.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 25, 2013 07:14 AM (SzAZ7)

214 There only be one Bushmaster up in here.

Posted by: Wilt the Stilt at January 25, 2013 07:17 AM (UU0OF)

215 Call me a conspiracy kook on this one, but I no longer believe ANYTHING coming from this despotic regime and its asslickers in the "mainstream" press.  I certainly would not put anything past these statist fucks to alter the story to further a politcally-motivated agenda; one such as beating the drum for removal/confiscation of guns and gun rights of law-abiding citizens.  As for whether the AR15 was used in the shootings or not, I will chalk this one up to..."we will never know the full truth, but I damn sure don't believe the information we are being fed by leftists with a cause."

Posted by: Mr Bush-Master at January 25, 2013 07:32 AM (r6wtL)

216 204: The Miller Supreme Court decision was worse than a lying prosecutor situation: the question of whether a sawed off shotgun could be a militia weapon was never briefed or argued to the court. Counsel for Miller had actually died in the time between oral argument and release of the decision. It was a wild reach by the Court to save the 1934 National Firearms Act, not based on history, legal precedent, or much of anything else. Not unlike the Obamacare decision in being a politically expedient effort to save an unconstitutional law....

Posted by: Leftcoast on a iPhone at January 25, 2013 09:54 AM (Puqto)

217 One can also note that both the National Firearms Act and Obamacare use the taxing power of the Federal government, or rather they dress up unconstitutional licenses and penalties as "taxes."

Posted by: Leftcoast on a iPhone at January 25, 2013 10:00 AM (ymWVT)

218 73 nice work media. everything we were told was wrong and i mean everything except that kids were dead. How do you know kids are dead? Have you seen a photoghraph of even one shell casing on the ground, or even one drop of blood? What's the "conspiracy theory" that "some" believe? That Sandy Hook happened? Or that it didn't? Still waiting for one photograph of one lone teddy-bear or shoe or bloody handprint on the wall at the school. ....and.... ....waiting..... And I should be "punched in the face" for not believing everything the TV tells me. That's what I keep hearing about this. That emotion should always trump fact. And we HAVE NO GODDAMNED FACTS.

Posted by: JDR-Taq at January 25, 2013 12:39 PM (e7KZr)

219 We have more "evidence", if you want to call it that, that SEAL Team Six took out OBL and tossed him in the Indian Ocean, which is to say: ONE PHOTO.

Posted by: JDR-Taq at January 25, 2013 12:41 PM (e7KZr)

220 It's not helping that the media are still reporting contradictory info.  Just a couple of days ago, MSNBC did a story, sourced to law enforcement, that says he used only pistols.  Now law enforcement story saying this.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at January 25, 2013 02:44 PM (G99e4)

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