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November 20, 2013

Death Spiral Watch: Early Kentucky Enrollment Figures Show Young People Signing Up at Half the Rate Needed to Sustain Obamacare
— Ace

Obama's looking for 38% of Obamacare enrollees to be young -- he wants to tax-farm these young invincibles who, thanks to Obamacare, will be paying much, much more into the system than they take out.

Actual percentage of young enrollees so far in Kentucky: N-n-n-nineteen percent.

Obama and Sebelius have, get this, refused to disclose the demographic breakdown for federal system's enrollees.

So our best guess is to look to states which do not, get this, suppress all information and lie about the rest. And Kentucky's figures, at least so far, show that the young people so crucial to Obamacare are just not interested in subsidizing older people.

And In "Success Story" Connecticut... Only twenty-four percent of enrollees are the young people who can be so bountifully tax-farmed.

According to ConnecticutÂ’s latest enrollment data, 10 percent of total enrollees since Oct. 1 are between the ages of 18 and 25, 12 percent between 26 and 34 and 12 percent between 35 and 44.

via @realrosenrosen

Posted by: Ace at 04:22 PM | Comments (196)
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1 Ace, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYVpfMrDWMk

Posted by: David at November 20, 2013 04:24 PM (6Oj/Y)

2 Oh, and first, bitches.

Posted by: David at November 20, 2013 04:24 PM (6Oj/Y)

3 And another conservative prediction of the massive boondogle that liberals wrapped themselves up with every night for the past four years has come true. I'm almost beginning to get bored. Almost...

Posted by: David at November 20, 2013 04:26 PM (6Oj/Y)

Given that these are "young" people, what are the chances that they are actually purchasing full-price policies?

The other thing about young people - they tend to be on the low end of the salary scale; chances are most of the young people who sign up will either qualify to be on Medicaid, or will be getting some pretty hefty subsidies themselves.

The people they REALLY need to sign up for Obamacare are the WEALTHY ones.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 20, 2013 04:26 PM (PZ6/M)

5 Color me surprised. Twenty-somethings are busy having fun, going to school, and trying to find a paying job rather than focusing on future, potential healthcare problems. My daughter was a rare exception who understood the importance of health insurance early on, due to my own ~~health problems~~ neurosis. Most of her friends never gave it a second thought.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2013 04:27 PM (DmNpO)

6 19% sounds way too high.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 04:28 PM (IXrOn)

7 Wealthy people who won't get sick either. Gotta take thousands of dollars a year and never give anything back, don't ya know.

Posted by: David at November 20, 2013 04:28 PM (6Oj/Y)

8 well they got that Kentucky Col. Old Mitch, from the Trent Lott , Taylor Shop. Ditch Mitch

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 20, 2013 04:28 PM (j6DTo)

9 And Kentucky's figures, at least so far, show that the young people so crucial to Obamacare are just not interested in subsidizing older people.

They smell funny too.

Posted by: Young low info voter at November 20, 2013 04:28 PM (doBIb)

10 Its just been confirmed that Bill Ayers wrote 'dreams..' for Obama. He admitted it: http://tinyurl.com/mwld5at

Apologies will be accepted in form of suicide

THIS NEEDS TO GET OUT NOW. The public should turn on this insane, fake, affirmative action hubris machine

Posted by: Dead Baby in a dumpster at discovery zone at November 20, 2013 04:29 PM (2TD/v)

11 Most of Kentucky would qualify for Medicaid. My home state.

Posted by: NCKate at November 20, 2013 04:29 PM (vjZKo)

12 My bet? That's 19% that have put something in their cart. Number of paid enrolees? ZERO. They haven't been billed yet and they can still not pay.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 04:29 PM (0FSuD)

13 I got burned.

Posted by: obama at November 20, 2013 04:30 PM (bMeMt)

14 They never told me.

Posted by: obama at November 20, 2013 04:30 PM (bMeMt)

15 Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 08:29 PM (0FSuD) Kentucky is running its own exchange, so I'm not sure if the payment system is working or not. It very well could be.

Posted by: David at November 20, 2013 04:30 PM (6Oj/Y)

16 We have just folded space from Kentucky.

Many new dams in Kentucky.

Posted by: Guild Navigator McConnell's Neckfat at November 20, 2013 04:30 PM (doBIb)

17 Sounds way way way too high a percentage.

Posted by: NCKate at November 20, 2013 04:31 PM (vjZKo)

18 "Obama and Sebelius have, get this, refused to disclose the demographic breakdown for federal system's enrollees."

What are the Medicaid percentages? That's the further iceberg in the path of the ship.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 04:32 PM (gqT4g)

19 @15 I don't believe any exchange can bill anyone till next year, so no one is paying yet. Which brings the next question. Bro gets his bill in January and then finds out he isn't getting a subsidy. Does he pay, apply for Medicaid, or take the penalty?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 04:33 PM (0FSuD)

20 Just as with their student loans, they have no intention of actually "paying" for whatever they think they signed up for...

Posted by: M. Murcek at November 20, 2013 04:34 PM (GJUgF)

21 I bet at the end of the day this is going to cost us a lot of money.

It's just a feeling I'm getting.

I might be wrong.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 20, 2013 04:35 PM (dwtaK)

22 Define young. People can now stay on their parents' policies until age 26.

Posted by: RS at November 20, 2013 04:35 PM (YAGV/)

23 How many of these enrollees are those high risk, chronically ill people with multiple co-morbidities that were unable or unwilling to pay for health insurance before? I know that pool of people has got to be high because that part of he program is already out of money.

Posted by: runningrn at November 20, 2013 04:35 PM (PLOz8)

24 Yeah I second the idea that 19% is pretty high, higher than I would've thought.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 20, 2013 04:36 PM (oFCZn)

25 That's even overstating it. The sheer number of young people who sign up aren't even half of what they need to be. Just the percentage of the handful who have actually signed up.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 20, 2013 04:36 PM (T0NGe)

Half the rate needed? That many?

You can make a good case that there aren't enough enrollees yet (like the ZERO in Oregon) to draw any conclusions on participation by age or other demographics. The sample is so small the data is meaningless.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 20, 2013 04:37 PM (yPnRe)

27 What's 19% of ten ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 20, 2013 04:37 PM (XWw96)

28 Its brosurance dude! Get you some!

Posted by: UWP at November 20, 2013 04:38 PM (fdXMW)

29 I wonder if there is a way to back out of it. Of course, just don't pay, but what if these idiots realize they can be on their parent's plan, or realize they are getting overcharged, and that going the penalty route is much, much wiser and/or cheaper. Can they back out? Is it a monthly charge, or annual?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 04:38 PM (IXrOn)

30 Wait......I am seriously confused. Isn't there some sort of organization out there that is supposed to gather information the government does not want us to know but is vital for us to know..and then distribute it to us in either paper, television, or online formats?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 20, 2013 04:38 PM (8719b)

31 19% sounds way too high.

I'm going to guess that this 19% does not include most of Kentucky's young Mensa candidates.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2013 04:38 PM (6TB1Z)

32 Damn you AmishDude .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 20, 2013 04:39 PM (XWw96)

33 Serious question: Can a 24 year old college graduate demand to be placed on his/her parents' insurance and make their parents pay for it?

Posted by: RS at November 20, 2013 04:39 PM (YAGV/)

34 I would bet less than a third of those 15,000 have paid, or will pay

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 04:39 PM (zOTsN)

35 Young people will soon become embittered while clinging to their, errrÂ… well, not guns and ahhhÂ…. yah, not religion exactly, Â…Â…..hopey change, yah that's it.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 20, 2013 04:40 PM (wnkWt)

So far, there are only 8,000 people "enrolled" on the Kentucky exchange.

Only 1500 of them are under 35.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 20, 2013 04:40 PM (PZ6/M)

Did they really think that this obamanation of a plan would work ? Really ?

Have the young un and underemployed throw thousands of bucks away ?

They think that they're invincible, why piss away "party" money ?

Posted by: seamrog at November 20, 2013 04:40 PM (zLpa2)

38 33 Serious question: Can a 24 year old college graduate demand to be placed on his/her parents' insurance and make their parents pay for it? I would doubt it. Too many ways to screw up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 04:41 PM (0FSuD)

Better health idea than the Affordable Care Act:

New Harvard research provides the strongest evidence to date that eating nuts can reduce a personÂ’s risk of dying from cancer, heart disease, and a number of other causes...Nut eaters were 25 percent less likely to die from heart disease, 10 percent less likely to die from cancer, and 20 percent less likely to die from diabetes as well as lung diseases.

Eat more nuts!

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 20, 2013 04:41 PM (yPnRe)

40 How many of these young people are going to miss a payment at some point. If student loans are any indicator.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 20, 2013 04:41 PM (WdbF7)

41 The numbers released yesterday by the Kentucky Cabinet for Health and Services show a total of 1,695 people enrolled are between the ages of 18-34. The number enrolled between the ages of 35-64 is 6,336. That means 19 percent of enrollees in Kentucky--where website issues have not significant hindered signing up--are of the coveted "young invincibles." oh, I see, now. now I can lol

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 04:42 PM (IXrOn)

42 "Tax farmed" An excellent, descriptive phrase.

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2013 04:42 PM (xDGmz)

43 Eat more nuts!

Got it covered.

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 20, 2013 04:42 PM (6TB1Z)

44 Daily reminder: Hipster fuckheads and communists are running the show.

Posted by: WOW at November 20, 2013 04:42 PM (6j8ke)

45 42 "Tax farmed"

An excellent, descriptive phrase

Beats "strip-mined".

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2013 04:42 PM (6TB1Z)

46 Eat more nuts! Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 20, 2013 08:41 PM (yPnRe) No wonder I feel sooo good!

Posted by: Barney at November 20, 2013 04:42 PM (0FSuD)

47 So another thought about the unpredictedly high Medicaid enrollments:

I observed previously that people who have longstanding serious chronic conditions have a massive incentive to do things like understate their income when applying, to get shoved onto Medicaid.

Because Medicaid will get them seen at top-tier hospitals, whereas the various subsidized exchange insurance plans stick them in an HMO style restricted network with fewer choices.

But even that can't alone explain why the Medicaid numbers are so huge.

Here's a further possible explanation. The Earned Income Tax Credit.

It's been obvious for years that people have been fantastically gaming the system for the EITC by doing things like inventing bogus underage dependents in the house. There is a huge amount of fraud in the system and there is next to no actual verification of these claimants' submissions. Easy money.

Well, when the Medicaid eligibility algorithm runs, it looks at a bunch of factors. Including whether or not you have any underage dependents in the house, fictional or real.

So, people's bullshitting of the system to get undeserved EITC cash is coming back to bite Obamacare in the ass, by artificially and hugely increasing the number of people who supposedly "qualify" for Medicaid.

Note that this is also going to make the budget balloon to the bursting point. None of Obamacare's fiscal architects appear to have anticipated this problem.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 04:43 PM (gqT4g)

48 "Chances are most of the young people who sign up will either qualify to be on Medicaid, or will be getting some pretty hefty subsidies themselves." This! Guarantee you that most of the young enrollees are stereotypical deadbeat baby daddy thugs and professional welfare sucking single moms. You know the same people currently bankrupting the medicare system with ER bills forwarded directly to taxpayers.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at November 20, 2013 04:43 PM (KCvsd)

49 How many of these youngsters are qualifying for Medicaid or getting full subsidies? I'll bet that very few are paying the full ticket, which is what they'd have to do to help balance the books. My daughter is a real goody-goody and super-responsible but she will NOT buy this crap. I can't believe that many young people will.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2013 04:43 PM (dfYL9)

31: I'm going to guess that this 19% does not include most of Kentucky's young Mensa candidates.

Both of them?

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 20, 2013 04:43 PM (yPnRe)

51 Heh! My grand-kids looked at blogs and reports on the internet. Then they replied to my question of them signing up for obiecare and laughed saying "Screw that! I'm keeping my money!"

Posted by: Kafiroon at November 20, 2013 04:43 PM (U0DWi)

52 46 Eat more nuts!

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 20, 2013 08:41 PM (yPnRe)

No wonder I feel sooo good! Posted by: Barney

Dollar short and a day late.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2013 04:44 PM (6TB1Z)

53 10 Its just been confirmed that Bill Ayers wrote 'dreams..' for Obama. He admitted it: http://tinyurl.com/mwld5at

Apologies will be accepted in form of suicide

THIS NEEDS TO GET OUT NOW. The public should turn on this insane, fake, affirmative action hubris machine

Posted by: Dead Baby in a dumpster at discovery zone at November 20, 2013 08:29 PM (2TD/v)

Are you new here? Good lawd, this is so stale it's growing mold!

Posted by: jem at November 20, 2013 04:45 PM (fM4kr)

54 Both of them? Posted by: Jim in Virginia at November 20, 2013 08:43 PM (yPnRe) No Paul Rand didn't apply, so only one.

Posted by: Barney at November 20, 2013 04:45 PM (0FSuD)

55 Washington state is real excited about the young they've gotten to sign up. Which . . . Includes 13,000 on Medicare. Yup. Also, the turd-polisher had compared the weak numbers of uninsured who'd signed up to a dent in a new car. "Sure, it might be small. But, a dent on a new car really sticks out." Yup. Obaaamacare is just a like new car!! I think even Heracles would marvel at that effort!

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 20, 2013 04:45 PM (VjL9S)

56 off damn sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 04:45 PM (0FSuD)

57 19%? About as accurate as census data.

Posted by: LASue at November 20, 2013 04:45 PM (pWeX5)

58 The headline implies that if the pool consisted of 38% young people, the thing would be stable. I really doubt that. The chronically ill cost a metric buttload of money.

Posted by: pep at November 20, 2013 04:46 PM (6TB1Z)

59 so only 34% of enrollees in Connecticut are under 44, yikes.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 20, 2013 04:46 PM (WdbF7)

60 Nothing against Kentucky people but I used to drive through the state and I believe 19% of their cars are broke down on the side of the freeway.

Posted by: UWP at November 20, 2013 04:46 PM (fdXMW)

61 I wonder how many of those who do sign up don't cancel soon after.

Posted by: Bless Your Cold Black Hearts at November 20, 2013 04:47 PM (kkbgQ)

62 And the ones who have enrolled and paid? The less than 1/3 of 15,000 that I am talking about? They are sick, with pre-existing conditions What a massive clusterfuck

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 04:47 PM (zOTsN)

63 Posted by: Dead Baby in a dumpster at discovery zone at November 20, 2013 08:29 PM (2TD/v) He really didn't admit admit it. If you saw the video a ways back, it was kind of a joke response like, yeah, I wrote it... with a Beavis and Butthead laugh attached.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 04:47 PM (IXrOn)

64 MTV needs to have some kind of promotion, like "Rock The Ripoff."

Posted by: Mike at November 20, 2013 04:47 PM (Rk8LS)

65 Nothing against Kentucky people but I used to drive through the state and I believe 19% of their cars are broke down on the side of the freeway. Posted by: UWP at November 20, 2013 08:46 PM (fdXMW) Plenty of horses to pick up the slack. Beautiful horses.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 04:48 PM (IXrOn)

66 The penalty is more than $95 and thanks to Romneycare and now Obamacare, Â“childrenÂ” can stay on parentsÂ’ plan until age 26. That is another reason for low signups. IÂ’m just adding one more reason why this has to be repealed! I turned of Howie Carr today. I was listening on the radio instead of online and couldnÂ’t stand the noise. I had to go out for a while and see that goldilocks posted that Brown called into HowieÂ’s show today. The rumor is heÂ’s going to run for NH senate. If so, he had better learn to be conservative.

Posted by: CarolT at November 20, 2013 04:48 PM (z4WKX)

67
Soylent Green is...

young healthy people!

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 04:49 PM (ZgBZU)

68 The deficits in the states that signed onto the Medicaid expansion are going to be in for a big surprise when their budgets explode and the fed money train dries up.

I'm looking at you New Jersey and whatever fucking state that asshole Kasich is Governor of.

Idiots.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 20, 2013 04:49 PM (dwtaK)

69 Beautiful horses. Posted by: artisanal ---------------- And bourbon.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 04:50 PM (aDwsi)

70 This would all be funny were it happening to another country.

Posted by: toby928© has drink taken at November 20, 2013 04:50 PM (QupBk)

Decisions, decisions........ should I refer to it as "obama-scare" or

"obamadon'tcare" or "(un) affordable healthcare" or "boythisistrulyfuxedcare"

hmmmmmm. ?

Posted by: seamrog at November 20, 2013 04:51 PM (zLpa2)

72 The only young people signing up are going to be ones with serious health conditions. Period.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 04:52 PM (zOTsN)

73
ObamaCare is an unmitigated disaster, and once upon a time I defended this mess. Therefore to atone for my mistakes, beat me, fuck me, make me write bad checks.

Posted by: Kirsten Powers at November 20, 2013 04:52 PM (pJF+c)

74 "The deficits in the states that signed onto the Medicaid expansion are going to be in for a big surprise when their budgets explode and the fed money train dries up. I'm looking at you New Jersey and whatever fucking state that asshole Kasich is Governor of. Idiots."

Yep, that's what is coming down the tracks, all right.

Hopefully the financial implosion from Obamacare will turn Chris Crist-ie into a fried pork rind, never to be heard from or seen again.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2013 04:52 PM (gqT4g)

75 obamacare is basically turning into a medicaid racket free shit for more "voters"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 04:52 PM (IXrOn)

76 @72 Yeah. The upheaval is just beginning.

Posted by: RS at November 20, 2013 04:52 PM (YAGV/)

77 Wow, Ace. You had to dig deep for the Paul Hardcastle cut. Even I barely remember that, and that was my generaÂ… Never mind.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 20, 2013 04:53 PM (yz6yg)

78 This is all because Republicans scared young people off.

Posted by: Dana Milbank at November 20, 2013 04:53 PM (9ziuC)

79 And bourbon. Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 08:50 PM (aDwsi) Ah, true. How did I miss that.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 04:53 PM (IXrOn)

80
It is rather bitter sweet, isn'tit?

On one hand its fun to see obama shit the bed, but on the other hand obama's maniacal stupidity is ruining our republic.

So, yeah, we have schadenboners; but our schadenboners are in our own asses..

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 04:53 PM (Fely/)

81 I don't even want to express what I feel about all the young Obamabots who voted for this shit sandwich. Their parents raised entitled, dumbass, idiots.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 04:53 PM (lVPtV)

82 And bourbon. Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 08:50 PM (aDwsi) Don't forget the GOLD!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 04:53 PM (0FSuD)

83 For the NC crowd. As I mentioned the other day, Warren Wilson college is closing their business department. Partly for philosophical reasons ( actually, entirely for philosophical reasons). An interviewed student said something to the effect, "It's too bad someone can't study something they want to, but I can't support teaching something that ruined the country"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 04:54 PM (aDwsi)

84 Yeah, we're here to speak truth to power and also to get subsidized by the next generation!

Oh, and remember, don't eat the brown acid, man.

Posted by: The Woodstock Generation at November 20, 2013 04:54 PM (IiIqD)

85 An interviewed student said something to the effect, "It's too bad someone can't study something they want to, but I can't support teaching something that ruined the country"

Good.

The country doesn't need more shits like you running it into the ground faster.

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 04:56 PM (doBIb)

86
The only reason young people aren't signing up for ObamaCare?
They're stoned out of their gourds, or wigged out because conservatives are lying about the true nature of the health care plan.

Posted by: Bob Beckel at November 20, 2013 04:56 PM (pJF+c)

87 "It's too bad someone can't study something they want to, but I can't support teaching something that ruined the country" Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 08:54 I wonder where Sparky thinks his/her tuition money came from or how he/she thinks those student loans are going to be paid off.

Posted by: RS at November 20, 2013 04:56 PM (YAGV/)

88 FOX Exclusive: Email Shows WH Had "Fear" Obamacare Website Wouldn't Work One Week Before Oct. 1 Fox News has obtained confidential documents that include an email on Sept 25, just days before the fumbled October 1 health care rollout, from CMS tech official Henry Chao revealing that people inside the White House was nervous that HealthCare.gov would be Â“unavailableÂ” and turn out to be a big embarrassment.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 04:57 PM (IXrOn)

89
And so it begins..

on CNN this morning the no-talent nepotism-hire Chris Cuomo ambushed Ted Cruz with what I predict will be the next phase in Big Media's rescue of obamacare -- demanding every Republican they put on TV to explain why they're not helping to fix obamacare

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 04:57 PM (xIzGn)

90 But only 25% of the 19% were tax farmable.

Posted by: Bildo at November 20, 2013 04:57 PM (eToum)

91 An interviewed student said something to the effect, "It's too bad someone can't study something they want to, but I can't support teaching something that ruined the country" If he really had the courage of his convictions he'd never touch anything produced by a business of any sort ever again. Which means he'll die naked and alone in the woods after first emaciating himself. Brings a tear of joy to my eye, it does.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 20, 2013 04:57 PM (yz6yg)

92 Most of those signing it doesn't matter what age, they are after Medicaid or have pre existing conditions.

Posted by: dirks strewn at November 20, 2013 04:57 PM (l7oVN)

93 I wonder where Sparky thinks his/her tuition money came from or how he/she thinks those student loans are going to be paid off. Posted by: RS --------------------- Hemp farming, man.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 04:57 PM (aDwsi)

94 I'm going to go out on a limb here, I think I'm on solid footing when I say this....

I don't think anyone involved with any part of this knows what the hell they are doing.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 20, 2013 04:58 PM (dwtaK)

95 From the Warren Wilson College website: "All resident students log 15 hours a week with an assigned work crewÂ—one of over 100 crews essential to the daily operation of the College. You might be relied upon for computer repair, library support, dorm maintenance, or dining services. Or you might be trained to design publications, catalog an arrowhead, or plow fields. In return, you'll earn $3,480 in credit toward the cost of attendance." Yeah, business sucks the life out of the country.

Posted by: RS at November 20, 2013 04:58 PM (YAGV/)

96 Warren Wilson where stupid parents pay to get their children degrees in hippie. It's the most liberal college in the USA and is basically a rich dumb liberal kid's school. If I remember correctly their admission requirement is an essay or something.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 04:58 PM (0FSuD)

97 free shit for more "voters"

We warned you idiots.

Posted by: philosophers exiled from and poisoned in Athens at November 20, 2013 04:58 PM (Nsoq9)

98 Which means he'll die naked and alone in the woods after first emaciating himself. I would be pleased to honor him.

Posted by: The Bear at November 20, 2013 04:58 PM (QupBk)

99 If he really had the courage of his convictions he'd ... Posted by: Sean ----------------- They never do.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 04:59 PM (aDwsi)

100 Warren Wilson College tuition: $34,000+ after the work credit.

Posted by: RS at November 20, 2013 04:59 PM (YAGV/)

101 It's the most liberal college in the USA and is basically a rich dumb liberal kid's school. I thought that was Davidson. I kid, I kid.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 04:59 PM (QupBk)

102 I know that not a single Obamabot would do what our son is doing for a living. Driving a truck for an automotive business. It's hard work, dirty, and long hours. Is it his permanent career goal? No. But he was happy to be offered a job straight out of the Marines.

Mommy and Daddy's precious Special Snowflakes deserve better.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 05:00 PM (lVPtV)

103 They never do. Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 08:59 PM (aDwsi) Dietrich Bonhoeffer was really onto something with that whole "cheap grace" thing, wasn't he?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 20, 2013 05:00 PM (yz6yg)

104 Average age of an 11B KIA in Vietnam was 22, not 19.

http://tinyurl.com/czdprya

Posted by: Javems at November 20, 2013 05:00 PM (c8xU9)

105 Got a thing in the mail from The Madison Project . Cruz signed the letter. Anybody heard of it?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 05:00 PM (zOTsN)

106 Bonhoeffer is infinitely quotable.

Posted by: toby928© at November 20, 2013 05:00 PM (QupBk)

107
When are you bastards going to stop using my "chicken's coming hoe to roost" statement? Leave it up to a honkie to screw up a positive message.

Posted by: Pastor Jeremiah Wright at November 20, 2013 05:01 PM (pJF+c)

108 I would be pleased to honor him. Posted by: The Bear at November 20, 2013 08:58 PM (QupBk) BEAR FUCKER!!! Do you require assistance???

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 20, 2013 05:01 PM (GEICT)

109 Average age of an 11B KIA in Vietnam was 22, not 19.

I assume that's when killed, not when first enlisted and sent over there.

Posted by: philosophers exiled from and poisoned in Athens at November 20, 2013 05:01 PM (Nsoq9)

110 on CNN this morning the no-talent nepotism-hire Chris Cuomo ambushed Ted Cruz with what I predict will be the next phase in Big Media's rescue of obamacare -- demanding every Republican they put on TV to explain why they're not helping to fix obamacare

--

Why, yes. Cruz, Boehner and all the rest of the R's should don their SWAT uniforms, bust down the doors of each and every household and force them to sign up for their shit sandwich.

Just exactly how are they to help "fix" it? Stay on weekends and help fill out paper applications? What's there to fix actually? The law says what the law says. How the f*** are they supposed to fix it? What an absolute bullshit thing to say.

Posted by: Lady in Black, in a dead thread talking to myself at November 20, 2013 05:01 PM (XB5Ak)

111 Bonhoeffer is infinitely quotable. So is Eric Hoffer. Especially in these times.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 20, 2013 05:02 PM (yz6yg)

112 Oh, and guten Abend, morons

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 20, 2013 05:02 PM (Nsoq9)

113 Dietrich Bonhoeffer was really onto something with that whole "cheap grace" thing, wasn't he? Posted by: Sean ------------------------------ Yeah. It's become quite popular.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 05:02 PM (aDwsi)

114 I don't even want to express what I feel about all the young Obamabots who voted for this shit sandwich. Their parents raised entitled, dumbass, idiots. Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 08:53 PM (lVPtV) Remember the words of that Washington woman that was highlighted by the JEF, but, then came out saying she can't afford her insurance after all? ...at my rate of pay, with my family size, I just don't understand why I didn't wouldn't get at least a little help with a tax credit... She believes she is entitled, and she also blames the Washington site, versus obama...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 05:02 PM (IXrOn)

115 @112 Best answer: "There's no fixing stupid."

Posted by: RS at November 20, 2013 05:02 PM (YAGV/)

116 I ran into the mom of one of D'oh Boy's friends tonight. Her son is "getting his masters, because there's nothing out there in his field right now."

Fortunately, Mom and Dad are very well off, so their Special Snowflake can continue his edumacation as long as he wants. Hopefully, before he's 30, he'll find and hold a job.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 05:03 PM (lVPtV)

117 Not all young people are healthy. I wonder what the percentage of the young came from the high-risk, pre-existing condition state programs.

Thanks for the heads up on the Warren Wilson crap, circular file keyword.

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 05:03 PM (CMlD4)

118
I can safely say that not a single Occupier will be hurt by obamacare. In time, everyone will suffer under obamacare as the quality of medicine disipates, but as far as fines or losing insurance, Occupiers won't feel a thing.

Occupiers and most Obama voters didn't pay taxes and didn't pay for health care before obamacare, and they still won't pay for taxes or for their health care.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 05:03 PM (8dspl)

119 WW admissions. SAT less than needed to play sports in ACC. 86% on financial aid! Tuition, $27,000 http://tinyurl.com/lj44c44

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 05:03 PM (0FSuD)

120 demanding every Republican they put on TV to explain why they're not helping to fix obamacare Because it's not fixable. It's a stupid idea, and the solution is more freedom, not less.

Posted by: --- at November 20, 2013 05:04 PM (MMC8r)

121 Oh, and guten Abend, morons ------------- ISWYDT

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 20, 2013 05:04 PM (aDwsi)

122 I ran into the mom of one of D'oh Boy's friends tonight. Her son is "getting his masters, because there's nothing out there in his field right now." Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 09:03 PM (lVPtV) Nonsense! There's always room for one more barista!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 20, 2013 05:05 PM (yz6yg)

123 112 -- It's like little children who wreck the kitchen and then expect mommy or daddy to come in and clean it up. Chrissy Cuomo is stomping his feet because the grown-ups are supposed to fix it!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2013 05:05 PM (dfYL9)

124 Signing up or attempting to sign up???

Posted by: andycanuck at November 20, 2013 05:05 PM (fIgFc)

125 Opps WW total cost $41,000. Same as Duke.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 05:05 PM (0FSuD)

126 "All resident students log 15 hours a week with an assigned work crewÂ—one of over 100 crews essential to the daily operation of the College. You might be relied upon for computer repair, library support, dorm maintenance, or dining services. Or you might be trained to design publications, catalog an arrowhead, or plow fields..."

==

And at the end of the day, Charlie gathers them all around to share the LSD while he plays the White Album over and over again.

Posted by: Lady in Black, in a dead thread talking to myself at November 20, 2013 05:06 PM (XB5Ak)

127 I must be sustained!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at November 20, 2013 05:06 PM (Dwehj)

128 Come on Ace, be fair. 50% success rate in govt is like 98% success rate in the real world. These guys are kicking ass

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 20, 2013 05:06 PM (dfLY4)

129 on CNN this morning the no-talent nepotism-hire Chris Cuomo ambushed Ted Cruz with what I predict will be the next phase in Big Media's rescue of obamacare -- demanding every Republican they put on TV to explain why they're not helping to fix obamacare Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 08:57 PM (xIzGn) Cruz put him in his place. He ended the interview with TFG calling the senators into a meeting, then telling them, he called them there to tell them to f*ck off. Of course, Cruz put it much more diplomatically.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 05:06 PM (IXrOn)

130

91 sooth

I saw that video. As I'm watching, I'm thinking "who is this arrogant jagoff trying to lecture Ted Cruz" ???

Obviously I don't watch CNN, but then I find out it's Chris Cuomo.

Apple/ fall/Tree again. But Ted did fine.

Ted's the new Sarah. Ball-less media pimps will be piling on.

Posted by: seamrog at November 20, 2013 05:07 PM (zLpa2)

131 Nonsense!

There's always room for one more barista!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 20, 2013 09:05 PM (yz6yg)

That fucking kid has never so much as mowed a lawn in his life (including for his own family). He never held a part-time job in high school, and thought it was weird that our son mowed yards and worked at a local grocery store.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 05:07 PM (lVPtV)

132 The interwebz is my shepherd, I shall not want.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at November 20, 2013 05:08 PM (Dwehj)

133 demanding every Republican they put on TV to explain why they're not helping to fix obamacare Senator 1981's response: "Because it's a horrible idea that was made infinitely worse by the utter incompetence of the current administration. It doesn't need to be fixed. It needs to be tossed on the ash heap of history.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 20, 2013 05:08 PM (GEICT)

134 In every way but looks, Ted is better than Sarah.

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 05:09 PM (zOTsN)

135 I ask this every day. When will articles of impeachment be brought against Commander Prissypants?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 05:09 PM (lVPtV)

136
So, people's bullshitting of the system to get undeserved EITC cash is coming back to bite Obamacare in the ass, by artificially and hugely increasing the number of people who supposedly "qualify" for Medicaid.

Note that this is also going to make the budget balloon to the bursting point. None of Obamacare's fiscal architects appear to have anticipated this problem.

Posted by: torquewrench

That's on the feature list, not the bug list

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 05:09 PM (CMlD4)

137 Senator 1981's response: "Because it's a horrible idea that was made infinitely worse by the utter incompetence of the current administration. It doesn't need to be fixed. It needs to be tossed on the ash heap of history. ....but first you will blow me! How could you forget that?!?!

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 05:09 PM (doBIb)

138 And I really like Sarah

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 05:10 PM (zOTsN)

139
Cruz, who barely had time to respond Cumo's scold/question tried to say the best way to 'fix' obamacare was to kill it.

But Cuomo and the rest of CNN and the rest of Big Media are already starting the narrative that 'repeal alone' is no good for the Republicans*; they Must offer a replacement.

*yep, some more of that helpful advice -- like how the Shutdown is Just Awful for the Republicans...so they must end it right away!

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 05:11 PM (Y4TdB)

140 Speaking of Kentucky. Check out Drudge's headline: Al Qaeda in Kentucky

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2013 05:11 PM (DmNpO)

141 Al Qaeda in Kentucky They must be there for the fried chicken.

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 05:11 PM (doBIb)

142 That fucking kid has never so much as mowed a lawn in his life (including for his own family). He never held a part-time job in high school, and thought it was weird that our son mowed yards and worked at a local grocery store. Posted by: Jane D'oh "In times of change learners inherit the earth; while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists." - Eric Hoffer

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 20, 2013 05:12 PM (yz6yg)

143 142 Speaking of Kentucky. Check out Drudge's headline:

Al Qaeda in Kentucky

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 20, 2013 09:11 PM (DmNpO)

Yeah, I saw that. Thanks Obama administration. Douchebags.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 05:12 PM (lVPtV)

144 They must be there for the fried chicken.

They're sure as fuck not there for the pulled pork BBQ

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 20, 2013 05:13 PM (Nsoq9)

145 Am I wrong in thinking everyone thinks its a good thing that O'Care has failed so far?

I think it's terrible. Now they'll have the excuse to create something even worse. or make unconstitutional power grabs and the GOP will most likely go along with it.

The ACA (or it's like) is (for politicians) a good thing. It creates a class of people that owe their continued existence to government. That's a win for the DC crowd.

Why isn't the GOP pushing repeal? Instead of some hacked piece of garbage that will cost more money and save Obama's bacon.

Because they WANT something like the ACA. It's where they were headed (can you say Romney Care?). They just wanted it to be rigged towards THEIR donor class of businesses and others.

And if by some miracle or creative lie (and of course the Media will go along with it) O'Care is saved, the GOP won't get any credit and Obama will not be a lame duck for his final years.

Remember Clinton and "The Comeback Kid". I do. He lied, got impeached and got off and this was touted as a victory for the rest of his term. Sure he lost (or gave up I forget) his law license and some other stuff but so what? He kept his veneer of "Slick" and we see the results of that now.

Wait'll Obama's the "Elder Statesman" the Media all run to for comments after 2016.

Yeah. That.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at November 20, 2013 05:13 PM (LSDdO)

146 Al Qaeda in Kentucky They must be there for the fried chicken. Posted by: EC at November 20, 2013 09:11 PM (doBIb) Come for the chicken, stay for the moonshine and goat fucking.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 05:14 PM (0FSuD)

147 As soon as Kentucky Al Qaeda shoots up Fort Campbell it will be called "work place violence."

Couldn't hate Obama and his minions more if I tried.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 05:14 PM (lVPtV)

148 137 I ask this every day. When will articles of impeachment be brought against Commander Prissypants? Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2013 09:09 PM (lVPtV) -------------------- Never, unless the GOP is even stupider than I think they are.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2013 05:15 PM (dfYL9)

149 Let me guess, the Warren Wilson trust fund baby will move to Brooklyn after he graduates with his Queer Studies major and Womyn's Studies minor and he'll wear wool caps in summer, pay through the nose for some ridiculously expensive shoebox of an apartment and he'll do "conceptual art" or some such worthless shit. He'll have a build like a strand of spaghetti because he buys his vegan kale salads at some little trendy restaurant. And, from time to time, he'll take a crap on a cop car. Just to make a statement.

Posted by: Donna V. at November 20, 2013 05:15 PM (R3gO3)

150 They plan to attack Ft Knox and get the gold! Or the Gold Finger plan, contaminate the gold with a bomb.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 05:15 PM (0FSuD)

151 Stupid racist facts. Stop being facts!

Posted by: The Governor at November 20, 2013 05:16 PM (Tlix5)

152 @147 I'm sure the GOP elites would like to have their hands in the health care pie, which is 1/6 of the economy after all. That's why the Tea Party's continued viability is so important.

Posted by: RS at November 20, 2013 05:16 PM (YAGV/)

153
We are covered!

Allahu Obamacare!

Posted by: Kentucky Al-Qaeda at November 20, 2013 05:16 PM (5ikDv)

154 Al Qaeda in Kentucky, well that explains the Obamacare enrollment surge there

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2013 05:16 PM (CMlD4)

155 Wow so now we are staying in Afgan till 2024. Thank God a Republican isn't in office. Waiting for the demonstrations from the left? Waiting? Where is that ole hag that lost her son and followed W around?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 05:18 PM (0FSuD)

156 re: this weaselzippers headline No Joke: Dems To Hold Â“Closed-Door DiscussionÂ” With NFL, NBA, NHL To Promote Their Climate Change AgendaÂ… So, after watching Oprah crash and burn supporting the SCOAMF, the sports industry is going to give it a try?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 05:18 PM (IXrOn)

157 Predictable from day one. I remember telling libtards on Daily Kooks they would end up getting fucked by Obamacare. The kooks over there are a very high percentage "self-employed". Individual plans.. fucked.. haha.. couldn't be happier for their plight - except good people are also suffering.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2013 05:19 PM (b/lt+)

158 I'm sure someone already noted this, but I'll bet most of that 20% are sick.

Posted by: Miss Scarlett at November 20, 2013 05:19 PM (4MZD9)

159 79 Wow, Ace. You had to dig deep for the Paul Hardcastle cut. Even I barely remember that, and that was my generaÂ… Never mind. == I was at FTCKY

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2013 05:20 PM (xDGmz)

160 I'm sure someone already noted this, but I'll bet most of that 20% are sick. Posted by: Miss Scarlett at November 20, 2013 09:19 PM (4MZD9) The joke will be on them when they find out they had a short window to pay in order to get the insurance in time.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2013 05:20 PM (IXrOn)

161 But do Kentucky's numbers include all the young people who just have a plan in their shopping cart? That will skew high. Is it people who have paid? 19% doesn't tell us anything, except it's a best-case scenario with inflated numbers. It will probably turn out to be even less, once the Obama enrollment inflation factor is removed.

Posted by: AAA at November 20, 2013 05:21 PM (hQJ+o)

162 Please tell me Matt Yglesias is just hit trolling with this tweet. "America's coddled, overpaid doctors are whining that Obamacare doesn't pay them enough." I'll post the link to Twitchy and you can decide if you want to give Slate the traffic. http://tinyurl.com/qzuglba

Posted by: no good deed at November 20, 2013 05:21 PM (k55Fc)

163 158 --- Oh good grief. Why do they have to inject politics into everything?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 20, 2013 05:21 PM (dfYL9)

164 160 I'm sure someone already noted this, but I'll bet most of that 20% are sick. Posted by: Miss Scarlett at November 20, 2013 09:19 PM (4MZD9) Well, I'd say you have to be sick to live in KY, but that would be wrong. Besides race horses and bourbon, they also make all the corvettes in KY.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2013 05:21 PM (0FSuD)

165 Warren Wilson grads seem to be folk singers or comedians. The three most popular majors are environmental science, creative writing and "outdoor leadership". WTF is that?! Is that like being an Eagle Scout? James Franco the actor and stoner is a grad Geez, it sounds like a parody

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 05:23 PM (zOTsN)

166

"Kentucky" is a pretty broad state/description. Eastern KY vs Western/Central?

Lots of welfare grabbers in Eastern Kentucky, and contrastingly, lots of hard-rock mining, old-timey work-with-your-hands jobs going away. You would think that two centuries of people that despised government meddling and were the pillar of American Leave-Me-The-Fuck-Alone-ism would eventually embrace Communism. I weep for us. Eastern Kentucky is frigged, has been since at least the 70's.

Posted by: Cicero Kid's parents are Kentuckians at November 20, 2013 05:23 PM (6fSty)

167
I heard an interesting ad from some organization for wildlife (so they said) on Boston radio the other morning. The announcer made an indirect appeal to New Hampshire hunters to help stop Climate Change because warming trends are "decimating" the moose population.

It makes no sense, I know -- save the moose so we can hunt the moose. But yes people are stupid enough to fall for this shit.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 05:23 PM (KwX0v)

168

We liberals want to build a house. You non-libs can't have any input in how to build our house, because we want all the credit for building the greatest house ever. We don't know anything about building anything, but we mean well and people will praise us forever. We bribed all the inspectors to get the okay for constructing the house. Wait 'til you see it !

(later) You non-lib rotten bastards ! What do you mean there's something wrong with the house we built ? (all by ourselves)

We refuse to enter it, it was built for other people. It may have a few minor flaws, but why won't you help us?

What the hell does "structurally unsafe" mean ? That's not important, look at all the rainbow painted walls.

WE WILL NOT tear it down and start over, it's all YOUR fault, teabaggers.

Posted by: thehousethatBAMbuilt at November 20, 2013 05:26 PM (zLpa2)

169 It makes no sense, I know -- save the moose so we can hunt the moose

No, actually - this makes perfect sense. There was a longstanding alliance between hunters and environmentalists dating from, I dunno, Theodore Roosevelt.

The hunters simply joined the ranks of "useful idiots for the Transnational Left" later on.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 20, 2013 05:26 PM (Nsoq9)

170 former useful-idiots, I meant.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at November 20, 2013 05:26 PM (Nsoq9)

171 ONT is up

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at November 20, 2013 05:29 PM (GEICT)

172 Ducks Unlimited was an old fashioned conservation group a lot of hunters joined in the 70s to preserve wetlands in The Midwest for game waterfowl. Suppose they've gone full retard too

Posted by: Thunderb at November 20, 2013 05:29 PM (zOTsN)

173 Is it just me, or does #75 seem over the line? Maybe a cob an decide.

Posted by: Mayday at November 20, 2013 05:32 PM (eHc+1)

174
Today's enviro-greenies aren't advocates for hunters! It's a fraud, a sham.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 20, 2013 05:32 PM (8dspl)

175 >>> No, actually - this makes perfect sense. There was a longstanding alliance between hunters and environmentalists dating from, I dunno, Theodore Roosevelt. They need decent habitat, including a lot more space than a deer herd. Without a healthy population, there will not be a hunt. Good news: the Northern forest is in good shape, despite the fucking windmills.

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2013 05:34 PM (xDGmz)

176 176 Is it just me, or does #75 seem over the line? Maybe a cob an decide. Posted by: Mayday at November 20, 2013 09:32 PM (eHc+1) ________ No such thing as over the line in politics...well if you want to win that is.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 20, 2013 05:34 PM (dfLY4)

177

When I read a thread it will max out at over 300 comments.

When I comment, the thread ends within 10 comments.

I'm getting a strong Deju-Vu about whenever I gambled in Vegas.

Son, this ain't for you.

Posted by: thehousethatBAMbuilt at November 20, 2013 05:36 PM (zLpa2)

178 "The headline implies that if the pool consisted of 38% young people, the thing would be stable. I really doubt that. The chronically ill cost a metric buttload of money." Exactly. I don't think I'm going out on a limb here when I say that I think the 38% number is a sugar-coated and massaged number based on predictions using using sugar-coated and massaged numbers.

Posted by: Thulsa Doom at November 20, 2013 05:37 PM (yEPg5)

179 I keep hearing the fear the Dems will throw up arms, cry "Lordy..Lordy," and, start clamoring for single payer after all of this. How? Medicare is not equipped or funded to handle 300 million Americans at the drop of a hat. Years and years and billions and billions away. No? A fresh from the ground up single-payer administration? Again, I read estimates of 5-6 years for such a organization to be built again needing billions and billions on new money to do it. Who, after this and including Dems, thinks this clown college of an Administration could pull that off? Hell, they had three years to put together one website and they might as well have been building a new moon shot. Even if the Dems could pass such a bill (which they can't) it would not result in an instant insurance organization ready to start operation immediately. So, if they were to pull a stunt like that we would still be years and years away from anything remotely functioning. What of the newly uninsured out there right now? The Admin says "You just hold tight, don't get sick, and, 5 or 6 years we'll be ready to help you. Thank me." ????????

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2013 05:43 PM (bI3Ji)

180 Mommy and Daddy's precious Special Snowflakes deserve better.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

They deserve to eat the big ole shit sammich their parents and they voted for. I have no sympathy for those stupid fucks.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 20, 2013 05:43 PM (EYfcP)

181 The young are smart enough to realize they are being robbed under Obamacare.

Posted by: Son of Liberty at November 20, 2013 05:48 PM (BPKIW)

182 >>> The young are smart enough to realize they are being robbed under Obamacare What do you mean?

Posted by: Chad! at November 20, 2013 05:50 PM (xDGmz)

183 182 Hell, they had three years to put together one website and they might as well have been building a new moon shot.

******************************

I've been saying for some time that this is like they did the Apollo 11 moon shot straight from Werner von Braun's sketches, without Mercury, Gemini, and the other Apollo missions in between.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 20, 2013 05:53 PM (HubSo)

184 It's 38% plus a minimum of 2.7 million, because they also have to cover the new Medicaid enrollees for the first three years.

How those states that are "taking advantage" of expanding Medicaid plan to pay for all the new freeloaders in Year Four and beyond is a question I have seen NO ONE address.

No matter how you look at it, this thing is a complete disaster. An unworkable concept, designed to fail, implemented by incompetents and defended only by liars.

Posted by: Adjoran at November 20, 2013 06:04 PM (473jB)

185

Just saw Oprah clip...they just have to die!

I hope this gets widespread coverage. Of course it won't but it deserves it. She's just a nasty, ignorant POS. Not because she's black, just because she's a nasty, ignorant RACIST POS.

Yeah, racist America made you a billionaire and you want to piss on your country. FU

Posted by: The Farmer at November 20, 2013 06:17 PM (eBupg)

186 We don't know if an "enrollee" is simply getting on Medicaid or not. These young enrollees might not be paying a fucking thing, but taking OUT.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at November 20, 2013 06:48 PM (c4dG1)

187 Nothing against Kentucky people but I used to drive through the state and I believe 19% of their cars are broke down on the side of the freeway.
Posted by: UWP at November 20, 2013 08:46 PM (fdXMW)

Plenty of horses to pick up the slack.

Beautiful horses.

Kentucky: Fast Woman and Beautiful Horses.

Posted by: s and s at November 20, 2013 06:59 PM (61B4w)

188 Nothing against Kentucky people but I used to drive through the state and I believe 19% of their cars are broke down on the side of the freeway. Posted by: UWP at November 20, 2013 08:46 PM (fdXMW) They were poaching from the nearby bass pond.

Posted by: Meremortal, thinking of low info mofos at November 20, 2013 07:03 PM (1Y+hH)

189 Tiberius Caesar had this tax farming business figured out. "I want my sheep sheared, not shaved." You don't take everything you can. You leave the sheep enough wool on their backs to survive the winter, and your subjects enough money to get on with their lives and raise kids for future emperors to tax. Modern liberals are bad shepherds. Obamacare is ripping off the young so badly only the ones as stupid as the keggers in the ads are signing up.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at November 20, 2013 07:22 PM (G8JAm)

190 Re: Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2013 09:43 PM (bI3Ji) You're right. They can't do it. It's a bluff.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at November 20, 2013 07:26 PM (G8JAm)

191 Another point in support of Ricardo Kill: the way they got Obamcare through was to build a coalition, including the insurance companies that are getting burned now. Who wants to be in the next coalition?

Posted by: Chromoly Man at November 20, 2013 07:28 PM (G8JAm)

192 Here's some math: If you doubled the number of youngsters in KY on the Exchange, without adding any old folks, that wouldn't get you to 38%. You would need roughly 2.6 x as many youngsters as they have now to get to 38% (81/130=62%). IOW, they're screwed. :-)

Posted by: Greg Q at November 20, 2013 07:55 PM (7k82f)

193 Warren Wilson is really a school? LOL.

Posted by: LASue at November 20, 2013 09:46 PM (3gUvw)

194

You all are looking at the numbers wrong......remember we are in Obama government time.

When they say 19% of the people enrolled are under 34, what it actually means is that of all the people who have enrolled, many of them have children that they signed up that are now counted as people in Kentucky who have enrolled.

Did they say that they have 6000+ new individual POLICIES, or 6000+ enrollees?

Maybe they only have 3000 new policies, but many of those policies cover a spouse or a spouse and children.

Posted by: doug at November 20, 2013 10:41 PM (uJ8q7)

195 Duh!1 is not even a savant.
Merely an idiot....

Posted by: backhoe at November 21, 2013 02:39 AM (ULH4o)

196 There is no "death spiral" for obamacare. It will end up as just one more giant welfare program suck on the federal and state budgets. The only death spiral is the slow fiscal one for the country at large.

Posted by: key at November 21, 2013 06:35 AM (fgjhb)

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