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October 11, 2013

Debt Ceiling/Shutdown Deal In The Works
— DrewM

No real details yet but House GOP members met with Obama last night and Senate Republicans are there now.

In addition to ending the shutdown and increasing the debt limit, the proposal includes an easing of the across-the-board spending cuts that began taking effect a year ago, and replacing them with curbs in benefit programs that Obama himself has backed.
Among them is a plan to raise the cost of Medicare for better-off beneficiaries.

The idea of the shutdown was to take on an unpopular program in ObamaCare and the deal on the table is cuts in a popular program aimed at mostly GOP voters (wealthier Medicare recipients).

Anyone want to bet the new cuts won't offset the givebacks in sequestration and cover the costs of the new debt increase?

That's your GOP everyone.

We went into a lot of the horrors facing the country thanks to ObamaCare in the podcast (which will be up later today). One point I didn't get to make is, for all these terrible things the GOP can't get traction in fighting them. That's the real problem.

Posted by: DrewM at 08:41 AM | Comments (498)
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1 "Neville C." Boehner?

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2013 08:42 AM (D+lxs)

2 Yay sanity. End Obamacare by winning elections.

Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 08:43 AM (MM3d9)

3 DEALS ARE FOR COWARDS I WANT BLOOD

Posted by: SO ANGRY TRUE CON at October 11, 2013 08:43 AM (wYjEj)

4 First

Posted by: Lurky McLurksalot at October 11, 2013 08:43 AM (9UV3C)

5 So, in return for giving up the only weapon they have, the GOP will increase taxes, increase spending, and take partial credit for 404care.

I guess that is the official end of the GOP

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 08:43 AM (/i3Yt)

6 Fourth, I mean.

Posted by: Lurky McLurksalot at October 11, 2013 08:43 AM (9UV3C)

7 Please let there be a repeal of the ban on incandescent light-bulbs.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2013 08:43 AM (UypUQ)

Yay sanity. End Obamacare by ~~winning~~ LOSING elections.

FIFY

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2013 08:43 AM (D+lxs)

9 The GOP caves. Or as it's otherwise known, a normal day in Washington DC

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 08:44 AM (HDgX3)

10 I found this spoon sir.

Posted by: Centurion Boehner at October 11, 2013 08:44 AM (8ZskC)

11 Well, that was fun while it lasted. Looking forward to TFG and his minions spiking the ball in our face, over, and over, and over. I may have to stay away from TV, internet and sharp objects for a bit.

Posted by: jakeman at October 11, 2013 08:44 AM (vH4YP)

12 Here's hoping they get a fruit basket and maybe a few commemorative presidential plates in the deal.

Posted by: brak at October 11, 2013 08:44 AM (NaTky)

13 "Among them is a plan to raise the cost of Medicare for better-off beneficiaries." So the WIN by the GOP is higher taxes on the rich. UN FUCKING REAL

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 08:44 AM (HDgX3)

14 Whew, and I thought I was going to have to bend over and take another one. ...oh I still do? Okay.

Posted by: Boner at October 11, 2013 08:44 AM (nsOJa)

15 Still trying to find the part where our side gets something.

Searching...

Posted by: EC at October 11, 2013 08:45 AM (GQ8sn)

So if we don't surrender soon enough we do worse than lose? I did not foresee doing worse than losing completely.

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 08:45 AM (sOtz/)

17 I'll bet you ten bucks.

Can I borrow ten bucks?

Posted by: Fritz at October 11, 2013 08:45 AM (UzPAd)

18 At some point, you've had enough poultry poontang, GOP.

Posted by: The Chicken at October 11, 2013 08:46 AM (vH4YP)

Please let there be a repeal of the ban on incandescent light-bulbs.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2013 12:43 PM (UypUQ)

Why not? The factories are closed down, bulldozed and all the workers have new jobs or are retired. But I am sure that China can have a factory up and running in 3 months if they do not have one already.

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2013 08:46 AM (D+lxs)

20 So the deal is 1. Give Obama what he wants. 2. Give Obama other things that he wants. About what I expected from these clowns.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at October 11, 2013 08:46 AM (83xuc)

21 Copied from previous thread... What the fucking fuck? I was trying to be optimistic and look for the pony in the horseshit here, but giving Obama everything he asks for is asking to be fucked over completely. Give him 6 weeks to negotiate, with the government REMAINING CLOSED until a final deal is reached. Letting the government re-open and then close down again lets Obama make another attempt at blaming Republicans when he is the one really taking a hit at the moment.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 08:47 AM (/Crba)

22 15 Still trying to find the part where our side gets something. Searching... --- We got the promise of consideration of a reach-around.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (/Crba)

23 GOP needs to outsource their negotiating to Putin.

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (OtQXp)

24 The Kaboom Party...delivering a heaping bowlful of despair and ennui, right on cue.

Posted by: jakeman at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (vH4YP)

25 I am just so bitter, give me one good reason I should even bother to vote at this point -- the Democrats would NEVER have screwed their own side.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (oN7N/)

26 Oh, By the way, first!

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (D+lxs)

Posted by: Mama alway said if you cant say anything nice . . . . at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (nELVU)

28 As for me, I was really looking forward to watching it burn. Maybe next year.

Posted by: ALH at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (yAPdC)

29 Obviously it's time to form a 3rd Party so the TeaTards can be "pure" and the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged.

Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (MM3d9)

30 The fuck? Hopefully that's not it. We'll see...

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (T/CkD)

31 GOP: we're offering half of your demands Obama: I'm doubling my demands! GOP: So, we're agreed?

Posted by: t-bird at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (FcR7P)

32 And yet again, I am saved from a situation that might make me regret or consider reversing the change of my voter registration from Republican to Unaffiliated. Thanks, Boner!

Posted by: shillelagh at October 11, 2013 08:48 AM (hRzu2)

33 Have a little patience, Obama lovers are going to have some massive sticker shock at the high price of their Obamacare premiums. Shock at what doesn't apply toward their deductible. Shock at their options with doctors and hospitals. They really have no idea what they've been supporting all this time. There's a rude awakening on the way with barrels and barrels of sweet liberal schadenfreude tears.

Posted by: Dang at October 11, 2013 08:49 AM (Hx2XA)

34 And Boehner is still an idiot!

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2013 08:49 AM (D+lxs)

35 Could the repukes also do something about low flow toilets since they are playing small ball? Just repeal the law and make sure to turn out the lights at the RNC before leaving. They just killed the party of stupid. It was time.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 11, 2013 08:49 AM (32Ze2)

the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged.

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That would be different how?

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 08:49 AM (sOtz/)

37 Obviously it's time to form a 3rd Party so the TeaTards can be "pure" and the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged. Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 12:48 PM (MM3d9) Speaking as a TeaTard, it's going so well now, lets leave everything as is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 08:50 AM (XIxXP)

38 33 Have a little patience, Obama lovers are going to have some massive sticker shock at the high price of their Obamacare premiums. Shock at what doesn't apply toward their deductible. Shock at their options with doctors and hospitals. They really have no idea what they've been supporting all this time. There's a rude awakening on the way with barrels and barrels of sweet liberal schadenfreude tears. Posted by: Dang at October 11, 2013 12:49 PM (Hx2XA) _________ And when that happens what do you think they will demand? To go back to a free market based health insurance system or for Obama to nationalize all of health care?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 08:50 AM (HDgX3)

39 Burning times. The electorate deserves it and it'll be the only thing that teaches. Educational fire.

Posted by: Todd Wiley at October 11, 2013 08:50 AM (lrkg9)

40
. . . And in exchange for the concessions you have made, I will grant this one reward.

You may suck my royal dick.

Posted by: Barky Hbark OBarkBark at October 11, 2013 08:50 AM (OZmbA)

41 There's a rude awakening on the way with barrels and barrels of sweet liberal schadenfreude tears.

Posted by: Dang at October 11, 2013 12:49 PM (Hx2XA)

It will be negotiated to happen after the midterms, guaranteed.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 08:50 AM (/i3Yt)

42 Surrender Monkeys!

Posted by: William at October 11, 2013 08:50 AM (w6VLB)

43 40 . . . And in exchange for the concessions you have made, I will grant this one reward. You may suck my royal dick. --- The Royal Penis is now clean.

Posted by: Speaker Boehner at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (/Crba)

44 I'm sorry, I still don't see where the GOP gets anything out of this deal.

404care still here and in full force. Check.
Raise the debt limit. Check.
Ease off sequestration. Check.
Fuck another mostly GOP group. Check.
NPS militarized thugs still in place. Check.
IRS still got getting away with illegal activities. Check.
NSA still snooping on US citizens. Check.
Incandescent bulb ban still in effect. Check.

WTF. Over.

Posted by: dogfish at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (nsOJa)

45 Btw, the last couple days I've been getting CVS pharmacy ACA-related ads here at the HQ. They are annoying me.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (UypUQ)

46 Tea Time! I am done with the GOP.

Posted by: Jmel at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (cfFqn)

47 Thanks, Cruz!

Posted by: Shoot Me at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (qiXMt)

48 This seems very similar end results to the previous debt ceiling fights .

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (nqBYe)

49 I think this is a GOP-released story. How can I tell? "and replacing them with curbs in benefit programs that Obama himself has backed." They're setting him up for hypocrisy. I don't think he goes for it, which is why this was leaked. I've been wrong before, of course, but I think this is an attempt to shame him into a deal. And, to be honest, GOPers have long supported means testing for the entitlement programs. Dems don't like it because it makes the entitlement programs look even more like welfare. It also means fewer future oldsters are hooked on them. Like me. I say cancel Social Security. Give everybody a check for what they "paid in" and end the damned thing. I'm not going to see any, means-testing or no.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (T0NGe)

50 "for all these terrible things the GOP can't get traction in fighting them. That's the real problem." Yes - the Repub. estab. are a bunch of corrupt weanies. But they always have been and always will be. They're politicians, after all. The problem remains that the vast majority of people believe CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC. Without the destruction of those entities, we have no chance. Yet I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of you watch NBC, CBS and ABC sports programming religiously. Baseball playoffs, NFL, etc. Most of you financially support the main force of destruction of our way of life. So - when you're bitching about how the Repugs are such pussies - take a long look in the mirror.

Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (Z1/Hr)

51 Obviously it's time to form a 3rd Party so the TeaTards can be "pure" and the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged.

Yes. Trying to build a real opposition party is futile. Or something.

Posted by: The Whigs at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (8ZskC)

52 Son.Of.A.Bitch.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 11, 2013 08:51 AM (PZ6/M)

53 We're going to clean house in Nov 2014.

Everyone gets primaried.

You folks on the hill that snurf in here?

Update your resumes.

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 08:52 AM (x3YFz)

54 So the "deal" is worse than just passing the CR and debt limit hike with no changes at all.

http://youtu.be/WpE_xMRiCLE

Deal altered...

Posted by: forest at October 11, 2013 08:52 AM (stMuz)

Does the agreement include the Senate passing the 8 (or more?) budget bills already out there?

If Not, Why the Fuck Not?

Does it include Congress and the WH into Obamacare?

If Not, Why the Fuck Not?

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2013 08:52 AM (D+lxs)

56 I'm now of the opinion that best way to get rid of Obamacare is to fully impliment it.

Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2013 08:52 AM (9XBK2)

57 So we're all running around screeching because we don't know what it is?
While I am not precisely immune to that myself, I would like to know the particulars of the emfuckening so as to more appropriately target my screeching.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 08:52 AM (VtjlW)

58 Curse you and your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

Posted by: toby928© at October 11, 2013 08:52 AM (QupBk)

59 The House Republicans < The 2013 NY Giants

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 08:52 AM (4df7R)

60 I say cancel Social Security. Give everybody a check for what they "paid in" and end the damned thing. I'm not going to see any, means-testing or no.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 11, 2013 12:51 PM (T0NGe)

They paid a tax. They get no money back.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 08:53 AM (/i3Yt)

61 At some point, you've had enough poultry poontang, GOP.

Posted by: The Chicken

Oooo, I love Thai food!!!

Posted by: Megan McCain at October 11, 2013 08:53 AM (jo069)

62 Oh good. Fyscal Clyff is back. Yaaaaay

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 11, 2013 08:53 AM (da5Wo)

45 Mozilla Adblock. Internet Explorer Adblock Plus.

I never see ads here.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 11, 2013 08:53 AM (uu42x)

64 Oh, and The Republicans are trying to price old people out of their Medicare!!!! Idiots!! I knew they were going to screw this up!!!! I really hate the party that is suppose to be representing me!!!!!! CRAP!!!!!

Posted by: runningrn at October 11, 2013 08:53 AM (PLOz8)

65 I paid ABOVE sticker price for this here Pacer. I wanted to make sure I had one of the first ones off of the line. Beauty isn't it? Styling of the future.

Posted by: Jon Jon Boner at October 11, 2013 08:53 AM (32Ze2)

66 Hey Lucy, where's the football?

Posted by: Charlie Brown at October 11, 2013 08:53 AM (yAPdC)

67 Headline on Drudge: Surrender!

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 11, 2013 08:53 AM (XUKZU)

68 I don't know much about buying cars, so I think I'll lead with, "Full asking price and not a penny more!" and then find out what the asking price is.

Posted by: t-bird at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (FcR7P)

69 And yet again, I am saved from a situation that might make me regret or consider reversing the change of my voter registration from Republican to Unaffiliated. Thanks, Boner! Posted by: shillelagh at October 11, 2013 12:48 PM (hRzu2) *fistbump*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (VtjlW)

70 At this point, I think we need more shutdown. Copy the people who have been let go over to welfare. See how long semi-private institutions (like the Smithsonian) are willing to go dark before they realize theyÂ’re losing donations. Let the states continue to take over park service functions. And so on.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (QF8uk)

71 packsoldier volunteers to turn the lights off, i guess

Posted by: Bigby's Thumb at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (2YpKq)

72 SO what was the point of the last two weeks' political machinations? Just to cave at the end?

fucking fuckers who are fucked up fucks!

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (8sCoq)

73 59 The House Republicans < The 2013 NY Giants --- John Boehner < Eli Manning < Matt Schaub

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (/Crba)

74 So in other words, death panels for elderly white people then?

Posted by: Baldy at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (tyDFN)

75 That NBC poll with 20% of the sample govt workers did the trick I guess. The GOP saw it, shat their pants and gave Obama everything he wants.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (HDgX3)

76 Can we get a new team?

Posted by: ALH at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (yAPdC)

77 #58 Spot. On.

I'm ashamed there was some part of me that was insufficiently cynical, some part that held out hope that this time would be different.

Posted by: shillelagh at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (hRzu2)

78 alex , I'm sure 40 billion /or $600,000, or perhaps 1.29, will be saved in this improved debt debate, somewhere.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (nqBYe)

79 I eagerly await our local GOP flacks and shills arrival to explain to us that Boehner and McConnell have pulled off the greatest deal since Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi trade

Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (aTXUx)

80 Anytime the GOP announces that they're about to do something, my reaction is the exact opposite of "hopeful."

Posted by: Null at October 11, 2013 08:54 AM (xjpRj)

81 I know we've all been doing this already, but we need to burn down the fucking phone lines in WA. I am pissed!!!!!

Posted by: runningrn at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (PLOz8)

82 So, if this is correct, the GOP is giving the Dems everything they want with a promise that next time thy might get something. And then they wonder why their poll numbers are awful.

Posted by: Boone at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (KNwU4)

83 So in exchange for this the Republicans are going to get the blame for cutting Medicare? Good negotiating.

Posted by: blaster at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (W6bkf)

84 and tea.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (nqBYe)

85 While I am not precisely immune to that myself, I would like to know the particulars of the emfuckening so as to more appropriately target my screeching. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 12:52 PM (VtjlW) ___________ Since Obama has been president name 1 time the GOP didn't get totally fucked in one of these situations?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (HDgX3)

86 This can't be right because it doesn't include single payer or allow for Obama to run for a third term. God, if only the GOP would quit being so obstructionist!

Posted by: MJ at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (PRPp1)

87 And when that happens what do you think they will demand? To go back to a free market based health insurance system or for Obama to nationalize all of health care? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 12:50 PM (HDgX3) Honestly, the free market will sell. There are two issues here: (1) Everybody should be covered because fairness. (2) Health care is too expensive. (1) is the liberal issue but the people were sold on alleviating (2). Well, that's out the window. For most people, certainly the upper middle class crowd who were enamored with pant creases, they've got real problems. So...if moving to more government is making things worse, the logical reaction is to move against more government. Then again, those who voted for Obama don't do a lot of logical thinking.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (T0NGe)

88 "As a dog returneth to its vomit, so too, doth the fool return to his folly." -- Jonathan Edwards, 18th-century fire-and-brimstone preacher, not the "Sunshine Go Away" guy

Posted by: jakeman at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (vH4YP)

89 Pretty smart of Boehner to run to the left of Harry Reid.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (/i3Yt)

90 > Headline on Drudge: Surrender!

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 11, 2013 12:53 PM (XUKZU)

well played Boner, well played

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (8sCoq)

Fuck Obama.

Fuck John Boehner.

Fuck the GOP.

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 11, 2013 08:55 AM (PZ6/M)

92 ... to carry on the smallball meme.

... incandescents
... low flow toilets

And if I may add:

I want phosphates back in my soap and fertilizer.
I want a truck that isnt so delicate that the check engine doesnt come on if I leave my gas cap loose.
I want to buy Sudafed without a background check.
I want paint thinner that actually thins paint.
I want lawn darts back.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 08:56 AM (nELVU)

93 So in return for our concessions Mr. President, we can now get clean towels in the house gym right?

Posted by: Jon Jon Boner at October 11, 2013 08:56 AM (32Ze2)

94 I think it's time that we all acknowledge that the GOP wants Obamacare just as much as the Dims. Boehner always finds a way not to do anything. The best you can say about them is that they are competent Dim moles. Next up amnesty. Goodbye, America.

Posted by: Not the KGB at October 11, 2013 08:56 AM (CRY7r)

95 alex , I'm sure 40 billion /or $600,000, or perhaps 1.29, will be saved in this improved debt debate, somewhere. Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 12:54 PM (nqBYe) Can I use the 40 billion to buy booze? Because I'm going to need it. Oh and BC, why are you ticked at me? Whatever it was, I didn't do it and you totally deserved it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (VtjlW)

96
I was trying to be optimistic and look for the pony in the horseshit here, but giving Obama everything he asks for is asking to be fucked over completely.

---

Turns out, this wasn't the hill to die on.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (XUKZU)

97 Boehner was satisfied that Obama promised to leave a few dollars on the dresser.

Posted by: Thatch at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (qYvEa)

98 It's like somebody told the GOP, "go fuck yourselves!" and they've totally figured out how to do it.

Posted by: t-bird at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (FcR7P)

99 @robertcostaNRO What NR is hearing: House GOP looking to move quickly on its framework to do DL and CR before Sen GOP moves...

@robertcostaNRO More: House GOP concerned Portman and others may pitch different CR deal and get buzz, House wants to control/lead strategy

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (YjDyJ)

100 We have to begin demonizing the democrats the way they demonize conservatives.
Call 'em what they are, a bunch of useless socialist fucks who hate America and all it stood for.
Apparently there is no real downside to this because the most vile putrid and horrific democrats that employ this method keep getting elected. It's worth a shot at least.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (gedHR)

101 It still needs to go through the Senate, right? So there may be hope. If Hairy Reed decides he wants to be top dog and doesn't like Obammy horning in on his territory...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (4df7R)

102 Republicans < 1976 Tampa Bay Bucs

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (sOtz/)

103 You fucked up. You trusted us

Posted by: John Boehner at October 11, 2013 08:57 AM (aTXUx)

104 I think it's time that we all acknowledge that the GOP wants Obamacare just as much as the Dims.

---

Politicians like control.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (XUKZU)

105 I want trucks spraying DDT like when I was a kid. We'd chase the trucks on our bikes.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (uu42x)

106 whaddya wanna bet they saw that NBC poll and wet their pants?

"Gentlemen! We've got to protect our phoney baloney jobs! We MUST do something immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! harrumph!"

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (8sCoq)

107 Not surrender. A strategic retreat. Stuff RINO's say behind closed doors

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (U2UQk)

108 So, the GOP's plan is to not only surrender, but to give the Democrats MORE of what they want? Unbelievable.

Posted by: gm at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (/kBoL)

109 of course they can't get traction they're fucking incompetent. This is the same crew that got blown out of congress in 2006. These were the next guys in line for the drivers seat and they got swept back into control in 2010 because Obama is a world class asshole. We're getting to the point where the GOP needs to fuck up so royally people really head to the exits. Amnesty should about do it.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (HEa5q)

110 How many more surrenders until we achieve total victory ?

I am not sure my cornhole can take much more.

Posted by: Chariman Mow at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (RGDtb)

111 Oh and BC, why are you ticked at me? Whatever it was, I didn't do it and you totally deserved it. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 12:57 PM (VtjlW) The ass at the MoMee. *glares*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (da5Wo)

112

"Whew, that was scary there for a while."

Posted by: GOPe at October 11, 2013 08:58 AM (1Y+hH)

113 Obviously it's time to form a 3rd Party so the TeaTards can be "pure" and the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged.
Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 20

Why not they are ruling unchallenged now.

Posted by: Spard13 at October 11, 2013 08:59 AM (1kSKA)

114 While I am not precisely immune to that myself, I would like to know the particulars of the emfuckening so as to more appropriately target my screeching.

PRO TIP: Pre-emptive enragement can save valuable warm-up time once the full details are finally unveiled.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2013 08:59 AM (8ZskC)

115 I'm not giving a shit anymore. I'm in a foreign nation headed by a communist dictatorship and that's where I am going to start every political thought until things are completely changed. Anyone who supports this monster is lower than a serial killing necrophile. Every leftist is a goddamned nazi.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 11, 2013 08:59 AM (Gt9Nm)

116

So...if moving to more government is making things worse, the logical reaction is to move against more government.

This has been the case since FDR. Hasn't slowed them down one bit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 08:59 AM (4df7R)

117 >>>107 Not surrender. A strategic retreat. Stuff RINO's say behind closed doors Posted by: SchrÃ¶dinger's cat at October 11, 2013 12:58 PM (U2UQk)>>> At this point, surrender would be a win. They're not even talking about surrendering anymore. They're saying, "Not only do we surrender, but we'll give you these other things that you want too. How does that sound?"

Posted by: gm at October 11, 2013 09:00 AM (/kBoL)

118 All along the right approach was to demand application of the law (s) to all Americans. Enforce every provision as it is written. No "waivers".

Posted by: MTF at October 11, 2013 09:00 AM (qf2kI)

119 Turns out this hill wasn't quite as nice as it looked at first.

Posted by: Fightin' John Boehner at October 11, 2013 09:00 AM (8ZskC)

120 The AP article is pretty sparse. Just because they don't mention OCare doesn't mean it's not part of the negotiations.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:00 AM (ZshNr)

121 One point I didn't get to make is, for all these terrible things the GOP can't get traction in fighting them. That's the real problem.
===========
Well, you do have it in "Park."

And your foot is on the brake.

And you keep shutting the engine off.

I think I see why you can't get any traction.

/s/
Box of Rocks outsmarting the GOP everywhere.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 11, 2013 09:00 AM (VjL9S)

122 Kaboom, Hydrox and Zingers, that's gonna be my punishment diet for having had hope that something good will happen in DC. I deserve it.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (gedHR)

123 What if the person (Obama) calling us all terrorists is really the terrorist, and issued threats? The GOP is not dealing with a good man here. We have an enemy in the White House. He will do whatever he needs to do, to get what he wants. We are all human shields. How does one deal with this fact? How exactly does a minority (GOP or TeaParty) legally fight him?

Posted by: Baldy at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (tyDFN)

124 @robertcostaNRO More: House GOP concerned Portman and others may pitch different CR deal and get buzz, House wants to control/lead strategy --- Does this mean we blame Boehner et all for being stupid or McConnell for not grabbing a tight hold on his guys' nuts?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (/Crba)

125 Whoever picked "9 inches of limp dick to the chin" in the pool, please collect your winnings.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (WD0pN)

126 For all of us out here saying we'll vote the bums out.... you know G-d Damn good and well that that won't happen either. They are laughing at us. ALL. OF. THEM. Because they know that 90% of them will be right back there at the end of the '14 elections. I think I need a break. Find a puppy to play with or something.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (32Ze2)

127 120 The AP article is pretty sparse. Just because they don't mention OCare doesn't mean it's not part of the negotiations. Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 01:00 PM (ZshNr) ___________ I love your eternal optimism and naivete...

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (HDgX3)

128 Sen. Frank Niceley ‏@SenFrankNiceley 7m

Lesson taught by #GOP leadership: If you need a horse to ride into battle, pick one that doesn't bolt hearing the first gunshot

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (8sCoq)

129 The ass at the MoMee. *glares* Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 11, 2013 12:58 PM (da5Wo) It was a fine ass, indeedy deed. That's what you get for being over there -----> when I was over there < ------- Also, given your level of, hmm, how to put this, Moron Lifestyle living, what was I supposed to do? Clamber upon the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness and bellow "BC GET OVER HERE AND LOOK AT THIS CHICK'S FINE ASS!" Because I can see that ending poorly.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (VtjlW)

130

Meh. Let's see real details before we get too excited. Frankly, I'm fine with some means-testing in Medicare, it's long overdue. What other benefit programs are supposed to be cut is the real question. If the plan is to gut SSI like a fish, for example, that would be a big plus. But caving on the sequester without a real budget is an unforced error.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 09:01 AM (sQ0LB)

131 When did someone find Boehner with a dead hooker in Fredo's place?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (8ZskC)

132 404care sticker shock will not get the libtards attention. Remember the article of the gulpers that got some of the shock already. Their response... Oh well.

Remember 9/11? It didn't get any of the fucktards attention either. In fact it is worse now as they tell us how tolerate Muslims are all the while now domestically spying on US citizens.

It. Will. Not. Stop. 404care. Without. Resistance. We actually had ground this time to get some LIVs attention, but once again the white flags come out.

Please explain to me how this "compromise" is anything but a total fucking failure.

Posted by: dogfish at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (nsOJa)

133 I love your consumption of AP blurbs as the whole truth.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (ZshNr)

134 Hey, why should we listen to you guys? Every time we diminish your future, you get mad at us! How about some praise sometime?

Posted by: The DC GOP at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (FcR7P)

135 Obama and Boehner have come to a compromise and will agree to put out a joint statement proclaiming the TEA Party a bunch of poopyheads.

Posted by: Warden at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (4wsI1)

136 What are the odds that I can get back the money I donated to GOP candidates over the past five years?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (/i3Yt)

137
I saw "9 Inches of Limp Dick to the Chin" play right after Mellencamp at "FarmAid" 1989.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (nELVU)

138 131 When did someone find Boehner with a dead hooker in Fredo's place? --- Maybe a live boy at the Searchlight Strangler's place.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (/Crba)

139 I've always had a thing for arsonists.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 11, 2013 09:02 AM (oFCZn)

140

So what is Boner's consolation prize? An extra pack of smokes and another bottle of Value-Rite Merlot?

Little skeevy fucking dickweed douchenozzle.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 11, 2013 09:03 AM (HVff2)

141 . . . And in exchange for you, Mr. President, not giving in a bit on any of your stances on your non existent budget, the Republicans agree to your coronation as "temporary" King at the end of your second term, with options to extend your reign, Sir.

(suck your dick??)

Posted by: Speaker John "Can't Get a" Boner at October 11, 2013 09:03 AM (OZmbA)

142 I want to see an actual deal before I make a judgement, but if the rumors are true, that deal is beyond stupid and is also going to be incredibly unpopular. If you're going to reform something, reform MediCaid first.

I will say though I'm surprised Democrats would allow a deal that has any sort of additional means testing with MediCare.

Posted by: McAdams at October 11, 2013 09:03 AM (fBmIl)

143 103 You fucked up. You trusted us

Posted by: John Boehner at October 11, 2013 12:57 PM (aTXUx)

They fucked up. They underestimate us.

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 09:03 AM (x3YFz)

144 No deal is done yet,I will at least wait for a deal before I go nuts.Secondly,the country is fucked if it keeps going the way it is going.Nothing can keep the crisis from being reached if things go on as they are.Nothing.

Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2013 09:03 AM (9XBK2)

145 DEALS ARE FOR COWARDS I WANT BLOOD Posted by: SO ANGRY TRUE CON at October 11, 2013 12:43 PM (wYjEj) LOL, I laughed, but honestly part of me actually feels that way.

Posted by: Eton Cox at October 11, 2013 09:03 AM (q177U)

146 "No real details yet but House GOP members met with Obama last night and Senate Republicans are there now." + met with Obama himself? or GOP met with Obama's staff members.

Posted by: CYA at October 11, 2013 09:03 AM (MhA4j)

147 137 I saw "9 Inches of Limp Dick to the Chin" play right after Mellencamp at "FarmAid" 1989. --- I thought that "9 Inches of Limp Dick to the Chin" was a rejected name for Rob Halford's solo project.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:04 AM (/Crba)

148 I wonder if Boehner and those dealing with this administration realizes they will not get any accolades from the dems or the media?
Their only chance is to fight for american citizens overwhelmed by the growth and strength/threats/harrassment of Govt malfeasance is to actually fight?
I think the administration and their sycophants have made it pretty clear their intentions are not for the Best of citizenry but a grab for power from every citizen?

as for the rich being hit, as with Corporations that have gone missing ,i can't even work up any steam about that, Where have they been in this fight?

am i wrong? i hope i'm wrong and just angry.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:04 AM (nqBYe)

149 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 09:04 AM (/PCJa)

150 Also, given your level of, hmm, how to put this, Moron Lifestyle living, what was I supposed to do? Clamber upon the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness and bellow "BC GET OVER HERE AND LOOK AT THIS CHICK'S FINE ASS!" Because I can see that ending poorly. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 01:01 PM (VtjlW) Yes. That is exactly what you were supposed to do. If not that, then a simple, "Hey BC! Come here a sec. I gotta tell you something." would've worked. You hoarded the fine ass.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 11, 2013 09:04 AM (da5Wo)

151 29 Obviously it's time to form a 3rd Party so the TeaTards can be "pure" and the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged
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Fear the unchallenged Democrat rule?

Oh?

AKA "What is happening right this fucking instant and what has been happening for the last five fucking years."

Yeah.

Fuck off, troll.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 11, 2013 09:04 AM (VjL9S)

152 Maybe a live boy at the Searchlight Strangler's place. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 01:02 PM (/Crba) Unpossible. There are no live boys at the Searchlight Strangler's place.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 09:04 AM (VtjlW)

153 404care sticker shock will not get the libtards attention. Sure it will, and that's a problem. "Hey, this sucks! The govt should pay for this!"

Posted by: t-bird at October 11, 2013 09:04 AM (FcR7P)

154 This Deal's Getting Worse All The Time http://tinyurl.com/77oha89

Posted by: gm at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (/kBoL)

155 I think we just got put on the back of the mule. Did we just give O more than he asked for?

Posted by: Big Ben at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (I5Htn)

156 "No real details yet but House GOP members met with Obama last night and Senate Republicans are there now." --- Great. Boehner played chicken and lost because he couldn't trust McConnell and his guys in the Senate.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (/Crba)

157 So. Time to Whig the GOP?

Posted by: joncelli at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (RD7QR)

158 Unpossible. There are no live boys at the Searchlight Strangler's place. --- Not for long, anyway.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (/Crba)

159 I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Posted by: Darth Rove at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (8ZskC)

160 And when that happens what do you think they will demand? To go back to a free market based health insurance system or for Obama to nationalize all of health care? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

After being given this debacle some will see that the right was right, and that they trusted a con man. Even the poor know when they are getting ripped off. They just got ripped off by Obama and the dems. It's actually starting to happen on college campuses. In Boulder, CO of all places.

Posted by: Dang at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (Hx2XA)

161 Oh, FFS. I swear, the GOP is the Dallas Cowboys of Politics. They do something absolutely brilliant, and then beat themselves in the last 5 minutes. I'm hoping this is wrong. Goodness knows reports have been in the past. But I fear it's right on the money- and Drew is right- this is *exactly* the wrong compromise to make.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 09:05 AM (/PCJa)

162 According to this article -

http://tinyurl.com/az3logy

- we spend $168 dollars a day on Welfare for each "poverty" family. That's over $61,000 per year...more than the median income for people who actually, you know, work for a living.

How much money could we cut from spending if we dropped that figure to, say, $160 per day, or $150?

I know, I know, a question that will never be considered.

Posted by: Null at October 11, 2013 09:06 AM (xjpRj)

163 "We have to begin demonizing the democrats the way they demonize conservatives." - BuckIV Sorry - that only works if people are listening. And the people only listen to ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC. And, as we all know, they're not exactly eager to hurt themselves - aka The Democrat Party. But keep watching those media outlets and giving them high ratings all through the baseball playoffs and the NFL season. That ought to help our cause..

Posted by: Fyscyl Clyff at October 11, 2013 09:06 AM (Z1/Hr)

164 Yes. That is exactly what you were supposed to do. If not that, then a simple, "Hey BC! Come here a sec. I gotta tell you something." would've worked. You hoarded the fine ass. Posted by: BCochran1981 at October 11, 2013 01:04 PM (da5Wo) That is a vicious lie! I did not hoard the fine ass. I totally shared it with shillelagh.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 09:06 AM (VtjlW)

165 Wow, this shutdown was totally worth distracting attention away from the Obamacare clusterfuck. Thanks TeaTards!

Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 09:06 AM (MM3d9)

166 Hey guys, let's just do everything Obama wants. K?

Posted by: non mean-spirited GOP at October 11, 2013 09:07 AM (uNd+K)

167 Someone got one too many swirlies from the jocks.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:07 AM (ZshNr)

168 After being given this debacle some will see that the right was right, and that they trusted a con man. Even the poor know when they are getting ripped off.

Posted by: Dang at October 11, 2013 01:05 PM (Hx2XA)

So what? They aren't going to change parties, especially not to one that bargains away everything and gives the opposition more than it originally asked for.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:07 AM (/i3Yt)

169 At least we lasted six weeks against the fascists. Pansies.

Posted by: WWII France at October 11, 2013 09:07 AM (Nfjkc)

170 I'm telling you, they saw that NBC/WSJ poll, and panicked.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 11, 2013 09:07 AM (8sCoq)

171 we're finished as a country.

Posted by: MJH at October 11, 2013 09:07 AM (7yKWJ)

172 "Tea Tards." Ouch.

Please.

Stop.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2013 09:07 AM (8ZskC)

173 "Hey, this sucks! The govt should pay for this!"

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That's NEXT on the agenda. #WinningGOPstrategy

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (nELVU)

174 packsoldier seems to think the 'teatards ' are running the political show .

how cute.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (nqBYe)

175 I swear, the GOP is the Dallas Cowboys of Politics. They do something absolutely brilliant, and then beat themselves in the last 5 minutes. --- I'd go with the Houston Texans instead. Boehner like Matt Schaub... he commands a team which should be able to win any game they play but he constantly manages to throw passes that allow the other team to score.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (/Crba)

176 165 Wow, this shutdown was totally worth distracting attention away from the Obamacare clusterfuck. Thanks TeaTards! If only we hadn't run a candidate in 2012, the Media would have discussed Benghazi.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (pYXiI)

177

>>"One point I didn't get to make is, for all these terrible things the GOP can't get traction in fighting them. "

Because it doesn't want to fight them. Where the mind decides to go, the body follows.

Posted by: rrpjr at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (VoN8f)

178 It's the white whale!

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (uu42x)

179 Next up amnesty.
Goodbye, America.
________

Yep another couple million democrat (read socialist) voters and the republic will be effectively done.

Fundamental transformation all right.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (gedHR)

180 So the plan is to give Obama more than what he's been demanding? Well, guess I won't have to waste ten minutes voting next November, so there's that.

Posted by: mugiwara at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (gGyxZ)

181 Republicans were put in the House to stop Obamacare. Instead they chose to fund it when no one could make them do so if they did not wish to do so.

That is all you need to know about how futile it is to support the Republican party. Their negotiating position should have been "Obamacare is dead and we like the fact the government is shutdown. We like less spending and we have less spending. Heck, if cutting 17% of the budget is this painless we can cut a lot more. Things are pretty much optimum in our eyes and nothing can change it until the next round of elections. So what was it you were wanting to discuss?"

In my eyes, the GOP owns Obamacare now just as much as the president does. There is absolutely zero incentive to vote for them when they will not behave properly once they are in office. None.

Let the burning begin and may the devil take the hindmost.

Posted by: Thatch at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (qYvEa)

182 Going on experience here. The libtards think that the government has a lot of money. When you argue that the Government doesn't have it's own money until it TAKES it from someone (producers) first you get the Brain locked look. They DON'T get it and they never will. 404care will lead to single payer because that is what it's designed to do.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (32Ze2)

183 Next time maybe the GOP can hire Putin as a negotiating consultant.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (8ZskC)

184 alex, please read my 148 and talk me down!

needs a pull away from the cliff.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (nqBYe)

185 That is a vicious lie! I did not hoard the fine ass. I totally shared it with shillelagh. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 01:06 PM (VtjlW) You....you....?????? *RAGE*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 11, 2013 09:08 AM (da5Wo)

186

This news has me so depressed, I just ate a mini 3 Musketeers despite the "May contain peanut" warning on the label.

Fuck you, 'Pubbies.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:09 AM (4df7R)

187 The Big Story (AP) By ALAN FRAM and DAVID ESPO = So, they print that GOP leaders "met with Obama". Makes Obama seem so "available" with open access even with his political opponents. Print it. We'll believe it? Meh. jurie's out... Doesn't mean that Obama himself met with the GOP. Had that happened, there's be publicity photos and quotes from those goppers who met with Obama.

Posted by: CYA at October 11, 2013 09:09 AM (MhA4j)

188

I just read an article on Ann Coulter's new book. I sincerely hope the GOP listens to her from here on out.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 11, 2013 09:09 AM (XxAYS)

189 Pussies!

Posted by: the French at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (A60y+)

190

Wash rinse repeat.

Handed over the sword AND underwear at the surrender ceremony.

Poor Gen'l Lee / Boener. You should be happy at Genl Grant/Obama let you keep your lives.

Posted by: odd at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (kduZC)

191 So when shutdown ends we should expect crusading journalists from the Left exposing all of the flaws and failures attendant with Obamacare? Don't hold your breath.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (ZshNr)

192 If only we hadn't run a candidate in 2012, the Media would have discussed Benghazi. --- How well did that work out for us in 2008? We had a VP candidate but no Presidential candidate.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (/Crba)

193 93 So in return for our concessions Mr. President, we can now get clean towels in the house gym right?

Posted by: Jon Jon Boner

********************

Republicans can have towels after Democrats have used them.

Posted by: President Petulan at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (4wsI1)

194 The Republicans are what Obama is to Putin. Back of the horse bitches.

Posted by: Bosk at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (n2K+4)

195 From the sidebar - Reid cut out of negotiations by the White House. Yeah, sounds like what a winning team would do.

Posted by: Dang at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (Hx2XA)

196 MWR, omg, sticks fingers down her throat!
epi pen handy?

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (nqBYe)

197 Wow, this shutdown was totally worth distracting attention away from the Obamacare clusterfuck. Thanks TeaTards!

Posted by: packsoldier

Presidents McCain and Romney agree completely!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (jo069)

198 188 I just read an article on Ann Coulter's new book. I sincerely hope the GOP listens to her from here on out. Posted by: MacGruber at October 11, 2013 01:09 PM (XxAYS) You mean like how she totally fanboi squeed over Romney and Christie?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (da5Wo)

199 Next time maybe the GOP can hire Putin as a negotiating consultant. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2013 01:08 PM (8ZskC) The GOP has Cruz; no "need" to outsource.

Posted by: CYA at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (MhA4j)

200

Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 01:06 PM (MM3d9)

Sweetheart, when I say this, please know I mean it sincerely:

Put a cork in it, Sparky, or you'll get the belt. The adults are talking.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (4df7R)

201 You stupid, fuckin' c*nt. You, Boehner, I'm talking to you shithead. You just cost me $6 trillion. That's right. What're you gonna do about it? What are you gonna do about it, asshole? You're fuckin' shit. Where did you learn your trade, you stupid fuckin' c*nt, you idiot? Who ever told you that you could work with men?

Anyone in politics lives on his wits.What you're elected for is to help us. Does that seem clear to you? To help us, not to fuck us up. To help men who are goin' out there to try to earn a living, you fairy, you party man.

Posted by: Ricky Roma at October 11, 2013 09:10 AM (aTXUx)

202 By the way- given the Scolding last weekend... Can I say it *now*?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 09:11 AM (/PCJa)

203 I just got a call from the GOP for a donation, really bad fucking timing for that poor girl on the other end of the line. I said not one fing dime from this hobbit.

Posted by: Spypeach at October 11, 2013 09:11 AM (10H0T)

204 My first impulse is to head to cheaper than dirt.... but, at this point, it's futile. We, you, I... all fucked. You can only shoot your way out of specific things, and this ain't one of them.

Truly Fucked (tm)

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 09:11 AM (x3YFz)

205 More about the offer: @thehill House GOP makes new offer http://j.mp/1gwv3fb by @russellberman & @ELWasson #shutdown

@ChadPergram House GOP Conference to meet at 9 am Saturday.

@ChadPergram Boehner spox: Any Hse vote on a short-term debt limit bill is contingent on the WH & Hse R's agreeing to negotiations on a..fiscal framework

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 11, 2013 09:12 AM (YjDyJ)

206 Can I say it *now*?

*glares icily*

Posted by: The AoSHQ Unity Front Against Vegetation-Related Calls to Violence at October 11, 2013 09:12 AM (8ZskC)

207 This was their plan all along. The last week was a pander to the base. They still keep their jobs, the money keeps rolling in from business donors, so why should they care?

Posted by: brak at October 11, 2013 09:12 AM (NaTky)

208 I think I need a break. Find a puppy to play with or something.

________

Agreed. I actually have a 6 mos old puppy now so it's easy for me to find one to play with. He did pee on my foot this morning though

but he did it b/c he was happy to see me so

Posted by: BuckIV at October 11, 2013 09:12 AM (gedHR)

209 alex, please read my 148 and talk me down! needs a pull away from the cliff. Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 01:08 PM (nqBYe) Ummmmm. Fire bad, tree pretty?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 09:12 AM (VtjlW)

210 "I just read an article on Ann Coulter's new book. I sincerely hope the GOP listens to her from here on out."

THREE CHEERS FOR ROMNEYCARE!

Posted by: Shoot Me at October 11, 2013 09:12 AM (qiXMt)

211 MWR, omg, sticks fingers down her throat!
epi pen handy?

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 01:10 PM (nqBYe)

Ack! *cough!*

Yes, Epi Pen handy. Promise!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:12 AM (4df7R)

212 @ChadPergram 49s Senate Republicans now filing out of WH after mtg with Obama. Returning to the Capitol.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (bCEmE)

213 Any Hse vote on a short-term debt limit bill is contingent on the WH Hse R's agreeing to negotiations on a..fiscal framework

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 11, 2013 01:12 PM (YjDyJ)

You really think the democrats are going to agree to follow the Budget Act of 1974?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (/i3Yt)

214 Wow, this shutdown was totally worth distracting attention away from the Obamacare clusterfuck. Thanks TeaTards!

If not for the shutdown, the media would be focused like a laser on the Obamacare problems! That's the hill to die on you guys, not this one!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (+lsX1)

215 I just ate a mini 3 Musketeers despite the "May contain peanut" warning on the label.

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I did that once.

Posted by: Ashley Judd at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (nELVU)

216

Why didn't Boehner just use the comprehensive plan we devised and all agreed to?

Oh.... nevermind.

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (u2a4R)

217 @ChadPergram Boehner spox: Any Hse vote on a short-term debt limit bill is contingent on the WH Hse R's agreeing to negotiations on a..fiscal framework --- I hope the rank-and-file tell them where to stick this deal. Once Obama gets what he wants, his only "negotiation" on a framework will be "I won".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (/Crba)

218 Told ya fuckers. Obama rules, and you guys have...Cry Baby Boehner.

Posted by: Daily Kos at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (PRPp1)

219 Any Hse vote on a short-term debt limit bill is contingent on the WH Hse R's agreeing to negotiations on a..fiscal framework Okay... see, that's *very* different from "a plan to end the shutdown." That's the same thing they were saying yesterday: "Fine, we'll pass a debt limit bill- provided you actually sit down and act like f*cking adults for an hour so we can negotiate about spending." There's nothing wrong with *that*.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (/PCJa)

220 >>>Have a little patience, Obama lovers are going to have some massive sticker shock at the high price of their Obamacare premiums. Popcorn is ready.

Posted by: Eton Cox at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (q177U)

221 Drudges headline says it all..... SURRENDER

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 11, 2013 09:13 AM (9+ccr)

222 So if the "shutdown" ends, I fully expect "journalists" to focus on the horrible 404care roll out right? I mean that is what all those Rs opposed to the shutdown have told me.

Posted by: dogfish at October 11, 2013 09:14 AM (nsOJa)

223 Can I say it *now*? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 01:11 PM (/PCJa) Nope. Can't have anyone get skeered.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at October 11, 2013 09:14 AM (da5Wo)

224 whew, ok, i do like trees.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:14 AM (nqBYe)

225 Senate Republicans now filing out of WH after mtg with Obama. Returning to the Capitol. Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 01:13 PM (bCEmE) Were they walking like their underwear was pulled up the cracks of their asses?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 09:14 AM (XIxXP)

226 Did anybody really doubt the ending to this dreary little show?

Posted by: rrpjr at October 11, 2013 09:14 AM (VoN8f)

227 @ChadPergram Boehner spox: Any Hse vote on a short-term debt limit bill is contingent on the WH Hse R's agreeing to negotiations on a..fiscal framework

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 11, 2013 01:12 PM (YjDyJ)

In other words, "Charlie Brown's vote is contingent on Lucy promising not to pull away the football again."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:14 AM (4df7R)

228 >Senate Republicans now filing out of WH after mtg with Obama. Returning to the Capitol.

Boehner seen wiping his chin.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 11, 2013 09:15 AM (8sCoq)

229 So the media is gonna spin this as Republicans screwing over old people? The spin will be Obama compromised to get govt back to work, but the evil Republicans hate govt so much they even hate it when the govt is helping sick, old people.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 09:15 AM (ZPrif)

230 *big eyes*
*big huge eyes* Can we please have the TruCon Fuck That cat again? Please? *bottom lip quiver*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 09:15 AM (VtjlW)

231 Karl Denninger said yesterday that if the Republicans cave on the debt ceiling, it's over. I can't link it because he has gone Galt for the weekend.

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2013 09:15 AM (zoehZ)

232 I have to say one thing in Boehner's defense. He is negotiating with the white house, who I guarantee you is making the same arguments our trolls do.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:15 AM (/i3Yt)

233 Oh look. Here's a pile of dogshit. I think maybe I'll just rub your face in it a bit.

Posted by: Daily Kos at October 11, 2013 09:15 AM (PRPp1)

234 I feel sick

Posted by: Spypeach at October 11, 2013 09:15 AM (10H0T)

235 Back of the horse bitches. Posted by: Bosk at October 11, 2013 01:10 PM (n2K+4) Goppers. Don't insult the horse. It would kick your teeth out and leave you impotent and broken.

Posted by: CYA at October 11, 2013 09:15 AM (MhA4j)

236 This is how it feels not to have a team. Kind of sucks.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 11, 2013 09:16 AM (32Ze2)

237 There's nothing wrong with *that*.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 01:13 PM (/PCJa)

From my understanding, based on what little we've heard, the negotiations would happen AFTER the government is reopened and the debt ceiling raised.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:16 AM (4df7R)

238 232 I have to say one thing in Boehner's defense. He is negotiating with the white house, who I guarantee you is making the same arguments our trolls do. --- Which is enough reason to sit there, listen to Obama bluster, then say "I think we can withstand a shutdown longer than you can."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:16 AM (/Crba)

239 37 Obviously it's time to form a 3rd Party so the TeaTards can be "pure" and the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged. Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 12:48 PM (MM3d9) Speaking as a TeaTard, it's going so well now, lets leave everything as is. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 12:50 PM (XIxXP) That's TeaMoron to you, Sir packsoldier. In case you haven't noticed, the Dems have been ruling unchallenged for years now.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 11, 2013 09:16 AM (7ObY1)

240 @ZekeJMiller 16s And the senate Rs leave without talking to press

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 09:16 AM (bCEmE)

241

Given that old guard Republicans were going to simply give the president a clean CR and a debt limit increase without a fight (on to the next hill boys - we'll make our stand there!), anything we get here (it may not be much) is gravy and should be credited to the New Right.

Also, we all knew the defunding/delaying Obamacare was a long shot. Thanks to Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, though, even LIVs know that the Republicans fought like hell against the law. That will begin to pay dividends as the implementation trainwreck continues, as wealthier supporters of the law begin to buy the artificially expensive Ocare policies and as the young people begin to incur the tax penalty for not purchasing Ocare coverage. The media cannot hide the increased costs and penalties from the lucky recipients.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at October 11, 2013 09:16 AM (Hd5n8)

242 Vaseline? No thanks, don't need it.

Posted by: John Boner at October 11, 2013 09:16 AM (JxMoP)

243 I have to say one thing in Boehner's defense. He is negotiating with the white house, who I guarantee you is making the same arguments our trolls do.

So if he read this blog, he could have had ready responses to their imbecilic statements?

Posted by: dogfish at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (nsOJa)

244 i'm tired of politics.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (nqBYe)

245 131 When did someone find Boehner with a dead hooker in Fredo's place?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2013 01:02 PM (8ZskC)

Which time?

Posted by: joncelli at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (RD7QR)

246 I have to say one thing in Boehner's defense. Ifs, ands, buts -- Christmas candy and nuts

Posted by: CYA at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (MhA4j)

247

"Anyone want to bet the new cuts won't offset the givebacks in sequestration and cover the costs of the new debt increase?"

That will make a great bumper sticker to excite voters.

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (9KqcB)

248 170 I'm telling you, they saw that NBC/WSJ poll, and panicked.
_______________

Yep and now they're scared and will soon panic and fold on immigration and then it's all over. A couple million more reliable democrat voters and we are a socialist country.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (gedHR)

249 Dem ain't no magic beans y'er holdin', "Jack" Boehner.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (BAS5M)

250 If they trade something real and immediate for nothing but promises of action, then we got rolled, no doubt about it. We need something out of this, something concrete.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (ZshNr)

251 I have to say one thing in Boehner's defense. He is negotiating with the white house, who I guarantee you is making the same arguments our trolls do.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 01:15 PM (/i3Yt)

_________________________

The sad fact is that I would rather randomly pick a person out of a phone book to go negotiate this that Boner

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (32Ze2)

252 The spin will be Obama compromised to get govt back to work, but the evil Republicans hate govt so much they even hate it when the govt is helping sick, old people.

Speak a little slower, we want to write all this down.

Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Truthiness at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (8ZskC)

253 You'll take what I give you because...Fuck You.

Posted by: John Boehner at October 11, 2013 09:17 AM (vYB+W)

254 @jamiedupree 7s Sen Charles Grassley R-IA on meeting: "Very good discussion on shutdown. Nothing obvious decided"

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 09:18 AM (bCEmE)

255 In other words, "Charlie Brown's vote is contingent on Lucy promising not to pull away the football again." Once more, just like yesterday- a debt limit bill IS NOT the same thing as a Continuing Resolution. We weren't going to stop the debt limit from increasing anyway- if we get negotiations out it, that's actually a net benefit. Now, of course, the crux is what happens in those negotiations, but a debt limit bill does not (itself) end the "Shutdown." I can even see a similar 6 week CR, "Okay, we'll put everyone back to work. For Now. But you don't play nice, and we'll shut it all down again." Now, while I'm considering things the GOP isn't going to deliver on, I think I'll also contemplate how I'm going to spend my lottery winnings that I totally won't get.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 09:18 AM (/PCJa)

256 From my understanding, based on what little we've heard, the negotiations would happen AFTER the government is reopened and the debt ceiling raised. --- Which, if it is true, is the dumbest negotiation tactic I've ever heard of.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:18 AM (/Crba)

257 @ZekeJMiller 16s

And the senate Rs leave without talking to press

Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 01:16 PM (bCEmE)

fgs, they don't even attempt to use that opportunity to explain the argument to the american PEOPLE?

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:18 AM (nqBYe)

258 So will the Republicans run Tony Romo, or will it be Eli Manning for president in 2016?

Posted by: John McCain[/i][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:18 AM (Qxe/p)

259

So the word is that the government would reopen until December 15th, then shut down again if negotiations fail to make headway.

In other words...

MFM: "OMG REPUBLICANS STEALING CHRISTMAS!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:19 AM (4df7R)

260

Oops - 241 not "Andrew Sullivan" - Brian.

Posted by: Brian at October 11, 2013 09:19 AM (Hd5n8)

261 258 So will the Republicans run Tony Romo, or will it be Eli Manning for president in 2016? --- Blaine Gabbert

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:19 AM (/Crba)

262 So opposing Obamacare was stupid in light of the failures of Obamacare?

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 09:19 AM (sOtz/)

263 stupid sock. stupid, RINO sock.

Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:19 AM (Qxe/p)

264 258 Gary Hogeboom.

Posted by: Boss Moss former editor of the Harvard Law Review at October 11, 2013 09:19 AM (uu42x)

265 "Nothing obvious decided"? Odd phrasing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:19 AM (ZshNr)

266 welp, this sucks. Can I post something off topic?

Posted by: Mainah at October 11, 2013 09:19 AM (659DL)

267 Seeing this come in on Twitter right now (John Podhoretz/David Burge): http://t.co/KBbJbm1Nqc Kid commits suicide after being told school would treat streaking during football game as a sex offense. How long before school officials decide NRA t-shirts and keychains are a sex offense?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (QF8uk)

268 244 i'm tired of politics.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 01:17 PM (nqBYe)

Aren't we all?

Unfortunately, it's life. Politics at home. Politics at work. Politics at the county level, state level.

Drive the bulldozer or be crushed by it. 6000 years of history don't lie.

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (x3YFz)

269 Gabbert-Freeman 2016

Posted by: GOP at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (sOtz/)

270

258 So will the Republicans run Tony Romo, or will it be Eli Manning for president in 2016?

Ryan Leaf.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (4df7R)

271 75 That NBC poll with 20% of the sample govt workers did the trick I guess. The GOP saw it, shat their pants and gave Obama everything he wants.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 12:54 PM (HDgX3)

They know it's shit , they just use it as an excuse.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (AWmfW)

272
So will the Republicans run Tony Romo, or will it be Eli Manning for president in 2016?

-----

oh FFS.

.... even the C'boys and Giants dont punt on first down.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (nELVU)

273 Burn It Down I hope the GOP gets ass raped in 2014, especially the Boner.

Posted by: Andrew at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (VjlMj)

274 The AP article is pretty sparse. Just because they don't mention OCare doesn't mean it's not part of the negotiations. Hmm, you're right. At this point, I expect everyone to agree to delay OCare until after the mid-terms.

Posted by: toby928© at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (QupBk)

275 From my understanding, based on what little we've heard, the negotiations would happen AFTER the government is reopened and the debt ceiling raised. I haven't heard that from any source I trust, so I'll reserve judgement on it. That said, even *that* isn't necessarily a bad tactic- provided the "government reopened" part is for the same 6 weeks as the debt limit increase.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 09:20 AM (/PCJa)

276 Drive the bulldozer or be crushed by it. 6000 years of history don't lie.

Hey, it wasn't all bad.

Posted by: The Minoans at October 11, 2013 09:21 AM (8ZskC)

277 Can we get a movie review to take our minds off this bullshit?

Posted by: Tee09 at October 11, 2013 09:21 AM (BiOHZ)

278 "So opposing Obamacare was stupid in light of the failures of Obamacare?"

Polls show that Americans are against Obamacare. THEY ALSO show that Americans are against closing the government.

Sheesh, it's not hard.

Posted by: Shoot Me at October 11, 2013 09:21 AM (qiXMt)

279 Josh Freeman is actually pretty good.Not sure why Schiano cut him,personality thing maybe.

Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2013 09:21 AM (9XBK2)

280

252 "The spin will be Obama compromised to get govt back to work, but the evil Republicans hate govt so much they even hate it when the govt is helping sick, old people."

I knew there was some goal the Republicans were trying to get to, but they just wouldn't talk about.

Why do they hate people so much?

Posted by: jwest at October 11, 2013 09:21 AM (u2a4R)

281 In additional football discussion, I cannot be the only one who thinks that JJ Watt must really and truly want to go out there and sack Schaub like 80% of the time, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 09:21 AM (VtjlW)

282 >> From my understanding, based on what little we've heard, the negotiations would happen AFTER the government is reopened and the debt ceiling raised.

Yep, I always like to show my hand first then raise AFTER the river card.

Posted by: Poker Pro John Boner at October 11, 2013 09:22 AM (OZmbA)

283
fgs, they don't even attempt to use that opportunity to explain the argument to the american PEOPLE?

Posted by: willow

Representation is only a 'TeaTard' concern apparently.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at October 11, 2013 09:22 AM (jo069)

284 In additional football discussion, I cannot be the only one who thinks that JJ Watt must really and truly want to go out there and sack Schaub like 80% of the time, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 01:21 PM (VtjlW)

Absofugginlutely.

This whole season is Opposite Day in the NFL. It's actually pretty interesting.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:22 AM (4df7R)

285

So "mister I won't negotiate" is at the bargaining table?

Interesting. It only took him ten days to climb off that ledge.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet has Petulance and Tantrums in all styles and colors! at October 11, 2013 09:22 AM (hLRSq)

286 Drive the bulldozer or be crushed by it. 6000 years of history don't lie.

Now you tell me.

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at October 11, 2013 09:22 AM (vYB+W)

287 Yay sanity. End Obamacare by winning elections.

Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 12:43 PM (MM3d9)

Winning elections? You mean national elections, presidential elections? The Democrats cheat. They also lie. Did I mention they cheat?

And then there's that little proviso in Obamacare itself, the one that says the AHA can't be killed by Congress without a supermajority (2/3) vote. The Supreme Court could've killed the AHA on the unconsitutionality of that little nugget alone, but Justice Roberts was determined not to deviate from the conditions set forth by the electonrically distorted voice on Roberts' home telephone telling Roberts that he knew about that night in Vegas with the midget and the Thai ladyboy and would he like to see the video for old times' sake? A little grainy because the lighting was bad but hey, check it out.

Posted by: troyriser at October 11, 2013 09:23 AM (gNlvW)

288 In additional football discussion, I cannot be the only one who thinks that JJ Watt must really and truly want to go out there and sack Schaub like 80% of the time, right? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 01:21 PM (VtjlW) Ha, yeah, Watt and most residents of Houston apparently. It's one thing to be disappointed in your team's QB, but to go threaten his family and vandalize his property. C'mon man.

Posted by: Mainah at October 11, 2013 09:23 AM (659DL)

289 276 Drive the bulldozer or be crushed by it. 6000 years of history don't lie.

Hey, it wasn't all bad.

Posted by: The Minoans at October 11, 2013 01:21 PM (8ZskC)

Hell you say.

Posted by: Saint Pancake at October 11, 2013 09:23 AM (x3YFz)

290 Third verse, same as the first: "We only have control of one-sixth of the govt, guys" although they had complete control of this singular issue - but nevermind that....

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 09:23 AM (3ZtZW)

291

"You mean like how she totally fanboi squeed over Romney and Christie?"

Because that totally overrides her work to confidently forward conservative thought week in week out better than almost any other writer and in a way that actually provokes thinking and debate.

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 09:23 AM (9KqcB)

292 270 258 So will the Republicans run Tony Romo, or will it be Eli Manning for president in 2016? Ryan Leaf. --- Good choice but I think that a felony conviction makes him ineligible.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 11, 2013 09:23 AM (/Crba)

293 267.

That's sickening. Bureaucrats love to have that power to ruin people's lives.

Here, you can be a registered sex offender for taking a piss in an alley after a bar has closed for "exposing yourself." Can you imagine someone's life being ruined with bullshit like that?

Posted by: McAdams at October 11, 2013 09:23 AM (fBmIl)

294 Oh, and all trolls are Average Joe, who goes out of his way to suck cocks without having to be asked. Because cock.

Posted by: joncelli at October 11, 2013 09:23 AM (RD7QR)

295 Representation is only a 'TeaTard' concern apparently.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 11, 2013 01:22 PM (jo069)

it's mind numbing .

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (nqBYe)

296 And SMOD won't even save us. See the sidebar article? 2880? WTF good is that going to do us? Go ckuf yourself, SMOD.

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (zoehZ)

297 @blaster

Thanks for that post upthread...I'm spitting mad and laughed out loud when I read that.

Of course by the time I read the rest of the thread I was pissed again, but thanks for the respite from it all.

Posted by: H Badger at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (n/0Nw)

298

Freeman was having a horrible year and there was some team chemistry issue with Freeman as well. Not sure how they got nothing for him. Schiano must be a Republican.

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (sOtz/)

299
I still blame all of this on Mike Ditka.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (nELVU)

300 Ha, yeah, Watt and most residents of Houston apparently. It's one thing to be disappointed in your team's QB, but to go threaten his family and vandalize his property. C'mon man.

Posted by: Mainah at October 11, 2013 01:23 PM (659DL)

Damn straight. You want to bitch about your QB on facebook? Have at it. You want to go to your QB's home and yell at him and take pictures of his family? You're looking to get yourself shot, you immature assclowns.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (4df7R)

301 Obama: Here's the contract, let's sign on the dotted lines. I filled in all the important stuff already. Boehner: OK, sounds good. So when do we negotiate the terms of the contract again? Obama: In a couple of weeks Boehner: Sound terrific

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (HDgX3)

302 I LOVE the car, but I will NOT pay a penny over sticker price

Posted by: Jon Boner at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (32Ze2)

303 Paul Krugman for president.

Posted by: SO ANGRY TRU LIB at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (E0/Ok)

304 L.I.B.

Posted by: rockhead at October 11, 2013 09:24 AM (jtTKf)

305 Aren't we all?

Unfortunately, it's life. Politics at home. Politics at work. Politics at the county level, state level.

Drive the bulldozer or be crushed by it. 6000 years of history don't lie.

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 01:20 PM (x3YFz)

Nowhere left to hide, fighting back is all that's left.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at October 11, 2013 09:25 AM (AWmfW)

306 At least Krugman is predictable

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:25 AM (/i3Yt)

307

John Boner buying a car:

"OK, you say you won't come down from the list price. Hmm, I don't think I want to pay that. What? OK, I'll sign the paperwork first but you have to promise that after I sign the papers you'll negotiate with me on the price."

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 11, 2013 09:25 AM (JxMoP)

308 @markknoller We'll hear WH view of the meeting from @PressSec at his 130pm briefing, time approx.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 09:25 AM (bCEmE)

309 Two NFL stories I saw this week, both not good. Most recently, Adrian Peterson's two-year old is in critical condition after being abused by the mother's new boyfriend. A while ago, but just coming to trial I think, is Darrel Beavers, who played for the Chiefs and Eagles and then became a Cincinnati cop, he got caught operating a fake "police substation" at a housing development where he'd have trysts with underage girls from some youth program he ran.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:25 AM (ZshNr)

310 i don't think we are suppose to use lib references any longer. re ace days ago.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (nqBYe)

311 Representation is only a 'TeaTard' concern apparently.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 11, 2013 01:22 PM (jo069)

So "TeaTard" is the new slur? It took them what? 3 years to figure out that "Teabagger" wasn't actually a slur because they were the "bagees?"

Idiots.

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (x3YFz)

312 @markknoller

We'll hear WH view of the meeting from @PressSec at his 130pm briefing, time approx.

Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 01:25 PM (bCEmE)

CarneyBarker will strut to the podium like a smug peahen.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (4df7R)

313 Am I late to the chicken McRage thing? Has it been discuss already? I just saw it. Bwahaha!

Posted by: Mainah at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (659DL)

314 ***spoiler****

Boehner will agree to some phoney spending cuts that aren't really cuts. Obama will get credit for tough choices on the deficit. 90% of the country will continue to be ignorant of how broke we are and how disastrous it will be when interest rates rise and debt service skyrockets.

Posted by: Warden at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (4wsI1)

315

Well, I wonder how the RNC is going to try to fundraise out of this.

"Yes, we're ineffective, and we hate all you TEA party losers. Give us money and shut up!"

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (TpXEI)

316 29 Obviously it's time to form a 3rd Party so the TeaTards can be "pure" and the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged. Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 12:48 PM (MM3d9) Hey! Fuck you bitch!

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (bb5+k)

317 285 So "mister I won't negotiate" is at the bargaining table? Interesting. It only took him ten days to climb off that ledge. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet has Petulance and Tantrums in all styles and colors! at October 11, 2013 01:22 PM (hLRSq) If you really think he's climbing down from a ledge, you aren't paying attention. When this is all over, the only thing you'll be hearing is how he defeated the evil weepublicans again by talking tough, sensible solutions he always wanted into their thick skulls. And he'll probably have a point.

Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (Qxe/p)

318 gah. discuss = discussed.

Posted by: Mainah at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (659DL)

319 56 I'm now of the opinion that best way to get rid of Obamacare is to fully impliment it.

Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2013 12:52 PM (9XBK2)

This.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen of Tea Party, Eleventy District at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (baL2B)

320 302 I LOVE the car, but I will NOT pay a penny over sticker price

Posted by: Jon Boner at October 11, 2013 01:24 PM (32Ze2)

Pay me 10% more and I will negotiate the prize.

Posted by: Obama at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (AWmfW)

321 We'll hear WH view of the meeting from @PressSec at his 130pm briefing, time approx. So we'll know what *didn't* happen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at October 11, 2013 09:26 AM (/PCJa)

322 I still blame all of this on Mike Ditka.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 01:24 PM (nELVU)

__________________

So do I.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 11, 2013 09:27 AM (32Ze2)

323

"Unfortunately, it's life. Politics at home. Politics at work. Politics at the county level, state level. Drive the bulldozer or be crushed by it. 6000 years of history don't lie."

One difference is that, for liberals, Washington is their last stop. For us, it's our first focus. Dems win some elections and lose some, but the nation has moved steadily leftward for a century. To them, "politics" means changing the culture first. Government follows.

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (9KqcB)

324
Obama: (thwack)
Boehner: Thank you sir may I have another?

Obama: (thwack)
Boehner: Thank you sir may I have another?

Obama: (thwack)
Boehner: Thank you sir may I have another?

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (8sCoq)

325

Oh, and before the moderati insist they predicted all this, we went with the "Delay" strategy which was supposed to prevent it and be so reasonable that the Democrats would fold.

So as usual they were totally wrong.

But hey, let's go get 'em in 2014! Contribute now!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (TpXEI)

326 So far the only spending the Repubs have managed to get Obama and the Dems to agree to are: 1) Big cuts to the military 2) Cuts to older, white Medicare recipients So, Obama agrees to cuts to large GOP voting blocks ... and then spends an even greater amount on Dem voting blocks, like food stamps. End result is even higher overall spending, but more skewed to Democrat voters.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (ZPrif)

327 John Boner buying a car: "Oh, you say there's another bidder? Whatever he bid, I bid a dollar more..."

Posted by: t-bird at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (FcR7P)

328 307 John Boner buying a car: "OK, you say you won't come down from the list price. Hmm, I don't think I want to pay that. What? OK, I'll sign the paperwork first but you have to promise that after I sign the papers you'll negotiate with me on the price." Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 11, 2013 01:25 PM (JxMoP) ___________ And then he comes home and says Honey, guess what, I just got an awesome deal on a new car and if you don't think so, you're a wacko bird.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (HDgX3)

329 310 i don't think we are suppose to use lib references any longer. re ace days ago. Didn't get the memo. Can I still think it?

Posted by: rockhead at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (jtTKf)

330 Hmm seems like there are some people that yesterday swearing boehner was smart and that a deal wouldn't be caving to Obama are missing today.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (LI48c)

331 One point I didn't get to make is, for all these terrible things the GOP can't get traction in fighting them. Probably because they're not really trying.

Posted by: booger at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (xRDdL)

332 Like me. I say cancel Social Security. Give everybody a check for what they "paid in" and end the damned thing. I'm not going to see any, means-testing or no. Posted by: AmishDude at October 11, 2013 12:51 PM (T0NGe) Given inflation, the checks won't be worth what they paid in.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (bb5+k)

333 CarneyBarker will strut to the podium like a smug peahen. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 11, 2013 01:26 PM (4df7R) Someone on twitter referred to him as 'Jivin' Jay'.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 09:28 AM (bCEmE)

334 The two choices in politics seem to be (a) vote for a Democrat. (b) vote for a Republican who will cave to a Democrat.

Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:29 AM (Qxe/p)

335 ***spoiler**** >>Boehner will agree to some phoney spending cuts that aren't really cuts. Obama will get credit for tough choices on the deficit. 90% of the country will continue to be ignorant of how broke we are and how disastrous it will be when interest rates rise and debt service skyrockets. And those of us who said 2 weeks ago this is exactly what would happen will still be called RINOs.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 09:29 AM (g1DWB)

336 This whole season is Opposite Day in the NFL. It's actually pretty interesting.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 11, 2013 01:22 PM (4df7R)

-- NFL is no figure league

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at October 11, 2013 09:29 AM (R8hU8)

337 Something not making sense about it though. If this is as bad as it sounds on the surface, how does Boehner get the votes for it in the caucus?

Unless he is planning to ignore the caucus and bring it to the floor for Dems to vote on.

I'm waiting to hear the details before I freak out.

However, it's pretty easy to see why we lose all of these fights. The Dems/Media always stick together as a single unmoving block. They don't have a McCain wing to publicly criticize their every move.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 11, 2013 09:29 AM (dMGxJ)

338 Given inflation, the checks won't be worth what they paid in. But for many of us, theyÂ’ll still be worth more than what weÂ’d actually get if we let the system continue as it is.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 11, 2013 09:29 AM (QF8uk)

339

AllenG has the right of it--the guy should get a blog or something.

A "clean" debt limit bill was always going to happen. If we can even get Obama or Reid on record saying they will commit to negotiations in exchange for the debt limit, that is a small win. There will always be debt limit increases until significant budget reform happens, and that will require (at least) Republican majorities in both House and Senate along with fiscal conservative president, and the conservatives holding the whip hand in the GOP.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 11, 2013 09:29 AM (sQ0LB)

340

And those of us who said 2 weeks ago this is exactly what would happen will still be called RINOs.

Hey, we went with the delay strategy you guys were pimping.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 09:29 AM (TpXEI)

341 The only place we've had real spending cuts so far is in the military -- the one govt institution the Left hates. And now they also are targeting old, white people. Another groups the Left hates.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 09:30 AM (ZPrif)

342 I LOVE the car, but I will NOT pay a penny over sticker price

Posted by: Jon Boner at October 11, 2013 01:24 PM (32Ze2)

Pay me 10% more and I will negotiate the prize.

Posted by: Obama at October 11, 2013 01:26 PM (AWmfW)

______________________

DEAL! Now let's talk about the color and options....

Posted by: Jon Boner at October 11, 2013 09:30 AM (32Ze2)

343 rockhead of course.
we had a troll come in from some intelligence site attempting to put words in OUR mouths, so that is the reason for the season.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:30 AM (nqBYe)

344 315
Well, I wonder how the RNC is going to try to fundraise out of this.

"Yes, we're ineffective, and we hate all you TEA party losers. Give us money and shut up!"

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 01:26 PM (TpXEI)

Sane and moderate we saved our relationship with Obama, give us money. ...?

Posted by: RNC at October 11, 2013 09:30 AM (AWmfW)

345 323 "Unfortunately, it's life. Politics at home. Politics at work. Politics at the county level, state level. Drive the bulldozer or be crushed by it. 6000 years of history don't lie."

One difference is that, for liberals, Washington is their last stop. For us, it's our first focus. Dems win some elections and lose some, but the nation has moved steadily leftward for a century. To them, "politics" means changing the culture first. Government follows.

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 01:28 PM (9KqcB)

Just need one person to say:

"Enough"

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 09:30 AM (x3YFz)

346 This whole season is Opposite Day in the NFL. It's actually pretty interesting. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 11, 2013 01:22 PM (4df7R) -- NFL is no figure league Posted by: Velvet Ambition at October 11, 2013 01:29 PM (R8hU

We can start with, the Chiefs are undefeted.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 09:30 AM (XIxXP)

347 Embrace the suck.

Posted by: nip at October 11, 2013 09:31 AM (jI23+)

348 If this is as bad as it sounds on the surface, how does Boehner get the votes for it in the caucus?

Unless he is planning to ignore the caucus and bring it to the floor for Dems to vote on.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 11, 2013 01:29 PM (dMGxJ)

If he does that, he violates the Hastert rule, and I imagine his tenure as leader is over. Which may not be a bad outcome.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:31 AM (/i3Yt)

349 >>Hey, we went with the delay strategy you guys were pimping Wrong again. I never wanted the defund or delay strategy.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 09:31 AM (g1DWB)

350 We can start with, the Chiefs are undefeted.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 01:30 PM (XIxXP)

----

... and play OAKLAND on Sunday.... at Arrowhead.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 09:32 AM (nELVU)

351 Something not making sense about it though. If this is as bad as it sounds on the surface, how does Boehner get the votes for it in the caucus? Unless he is planning to ignore the caucus and bring it to the floor for Dems to vote on. ++++ DING DING DING DING

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 09:32 AM (HDgX3)

352 Eh, need to get my BP down. Back to work, horde. Oh, and somebody cock-punch Average Joe for me, 'kay?

Posted by: joncelli at October 11, 2013 09:32 AM (RD7QR)

353 Wrong again. I never wanted the defund or delay strategy. Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 01:31 PM (g1DWB) What was your preferred strateegery?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 09:32 AM (XIxXP)

354 @jamiedupree 1m GOP Senators say there was no agreement in talks with Obama, but that it was a good discussion of budget/debt limit

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 09:32 AM (bCEmE)

355 We can start with, the Chiefs are undefeted. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 01:30 PM (XIxXP) Browns are 3-2 baby!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (VtjlW)

356 Can you imagine someone's life being ruined with bullshit like that? Sex offender registries are a good ideaÂ—but like most things run by governments, theyÂ’re on their way to ruin through overreach and incompetence. (Disclaimer: We actually used TexasÂ’s when house-hunting.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (QF8uk)

357 I said on a thread several days ago, that I knew in my heart that Boehner had already unsheathed and sharpened the knife he was going to use in our backs as soon as he got a chance to cave with grace (which means staying on the DC A-list of parties, particularly those with open bars).

I hate being right, but it is always a winning bet to attribute scurrilous behavior and lack of principles to the RINO ruling class.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (XdnQT)

358

"There will always be debt limit increases"

----------- ----------- ------------ -----------

Just make it "debt limit = infinity," pass it, and our problems are solved.

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (sOtz/)

359 It's the same way the libertarians fight for more freedom, but we only get more freedom in things the left likes, like more pot and more abortions. Somehow the freedom agenda never gets around to anything economic like the minimum wage or rent control. And the the eco-nazi regulations only get stricter every year.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (ZPrif)

360 ... and play OAKLAND on Sunday.... at Arrowhead. Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 01:32 PM (nELVU) Yeah. Oakland looked unbeatable when they played the Broncos. oh wait ...

Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/u][/b] at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (Qxe/p)

361 I don't know understand why the House GOP didn't settle on refusing to open the Govt. without an end to the congresscritter ACA subsidy.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (UypUQ)

362
......et tu Boenus

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (nELVU)

363 "35 Could the repukes also do something about low flow toilets since they are playing small ball? Just repeal the law and make sure to turn out the lights at the RNC before leaving. They just killed the party of stupid. It was time.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 11, 2013 12:49 PM (32Ze2)"

Actually that would be kind of pointless since after 30 years they are finally making low flow toilets that work. I had to replace a broken toilet last year and the new one is a joy to watch as it flushes. It is almost like a Star Trek transporter except faster. It was nothing special, just a $100 off the shelf American Standard toilet but when you push the handle, everything in the bowl just instantly goes away.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (q1sF4)

364

Just need one person to say: "Enough"

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 01:30 PM (x3YFz)

Pretty sure you need a lot more. We should think about moving our focus away from Washington (no one will remember these negotiations in a few years) and go where change is made. It ain't Washington.

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (9KqcB)

365 Wrong again. I never wanted the defund or delay strategy.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 01:31 PM (g1DWB)

So you wanted the 'do nothing until the next elections' strategy.

Okay then. Best of luck with that approach.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (TpXEI)

366 213 You really think the democrats are going to agree to follow the Budget Act of 1974?

The Senate actually passed a budget this year (50-49) but a budget conference committee has not been convened primarily due to the fact that the Senate Democrats refused to agree to the framework outlined by the House Republicans. Historically, the debt ceiling is a good vehicle to force both sides to come to the table. Whether that happens in this case depends on whether the Democrats feel it is better to continue being obstructionists or pass a deal.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (YjDyJ)

367 Those of use who are conservative and/or Republican have to face the fact that we have no representation at all in this government.

Posted by: whoever at October 11, 2013 09:33 AM (UJe/j)

368

Unless he is planning to ignore the caucus and bring it to the floor for Dems to vote on.

Well, that would be interesting. It would also almost certainly guarantee that he'd be primaried.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (JxMoP)

369 Jackstraw i did think it would be good to let everyone GET obamacare , but there would be difficulty in repealing it after they Got obamacare nice and hard.

was this wrong ? because, yes we do hear law is difficult to overturn and war was needed in one important case.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (nqBYe)

370 Another nail in the coffin for the GOP, if this is true.

A deal worse then just passing the CR and raising the debt ceiling. Amazing.

Posted by: Gaff at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (jPS2y)

371 I don't know understand why the House GOP didn't settle on refusing to open the Govt. without an end to the congresscritter ACA subsidy.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2013 01:33 PM (UypUQ)

Heh.

Or, were you being serious?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (/i3Yt)

372 -If he does that, he violates the Hastert rule, and I imagine his tenure as leader is over. Which may not be a bad outcome. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 01:31 PM (/i3Yt) ____________ Remember, everyone in the house votes for speaker. Say 50 Reps vote against him, he could easily get 50 Dems to vote for him as a thank you for giving Obama a win. This was the real negotaion with Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (HDgX3)

373 Hey Bohner: 1. Get a large forklift and load printed copies of all federal expenditures onto the House floor. 2. Open session 3. Each Congress critter takes turns reading ONE line. 4. Call for up or down vote on each line. If "Yea", send off single line to Senate. If 'Nay", put in paper shredder. 5. Repeat until complete. See? Simple. But nooooo. Let's just pass everything without looking at it and add some more debt on top. Fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (j0wOO)

374 354 @jamiedupree 1m

GOP Senators say there was no agreement in talks with Obama, but that it was a good discussion of budget/debt limit

Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 01:32 PM (bCEmE)

We're still trying to figure out how to fuck over the base.

Posted by: RNC at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (AWmfW)

375 is there any part of this deal that actually makes the government smaller, restricts it in any way, or expands individual liberty?

then we have been sold down the river, yet again!

the GOP is going to pay a heavy price for this betrayal at the ballot box, don't any of them get that?

Posted by: Shoey at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (jdOk/)

376 Ok.... I'll do it. Does the car come with tires and a motor?

Posted by: Jon Boner at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (32Ze2)

377 Boehner must resign now! His emotional problems are fucking the whole country because he refuses to stand up to the god king Obama and the media. The rest of the weakling dickless republicans are just as bad.

Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2013 09:34 AM (m3gf3)

378 We can start with, the Chiefs are undefeted.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 01:30 PM (XIxXP)

When the pink flags came out I canx DirecTV (ok, full disclosure: I'd had it canx for the last 2 years, just turned it on for football).

The pussification of our nation is nearly complete.

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 09:35 AM (x3YFz)

379 (not snark) ok getting it good and hard might have been, but not the rest.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:35 AM (nqBYe)

380 FTS, go to the mattresses

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 11, 2013 09:35 AM (l5zzX)

381 DEAL! Now let's talk about the color and options.... I absolutely do not want that Tru-Cote. I donÂ’t care if youÂ’re charging me for it, I donÂ’t want it!

Posted by: John H. Boehner at October 11, 2013 09:35 AM (QF8uk)

382 "One point I didn't get to make is, for all these terrible things the GOP can't get traction in fighting them. That's the real problem." This is the truth. I have just had a promising career reboot torpedoed because I was, at the same time as I was rebuilding, making clear to the head of a local Institution my disagreement with the direction the school was taking. I felt the need to do this because we of the classic liberty side can in fact gain no traction in the public sphere, so I felt the need to speak out, but in a manner leaving room for the other side to back down. I have just paid a price for that private outspokeness, for the local institution took the cheapest shot available, but I am still here, proud I made a stand. Some chicken. Some neck. And as far as the GOP--good people suffer because they cannot do the job. I have no answers for them, which makes us even, for they don't either.

Posted by: T. at October 11, 2013 09:35 AM (u946O)

383 I absolutely MUST have this car today and I have unlimited funds, so give me your lowest price and I'll take it.

Posted by: John Boner at October 11, 2013 09:35 AM (FcR7P)

384 I've already got lefties telling me the GOP cut Medicare. Guess Boehner thought it was a good idea.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 11, 2013 09:35 AM (yQ2jW)

385 319 56
I'm now of the opinion that best way to get rid of Obamacare is to fully impliment it.
Posted by: steevy at October 11, 2013 12:52 PM (9XBK2)
This.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen of Tea Party, Eleventy District at October 11, 2013 01:26 PM (baL2B)

This has been my opinion for a while. They want Obamacare, let them have it. Implementing it is the only thing that might, just might convince them it's a bad idea. I say 'might' because the Obamatons are so invested in their guy most of them can't even acknowledge how this policy is already hurting them. I think all the delay/defund/obstruct tactics are just giving them an excuse to use when it fails. What's the point of having any shutdown if you are just going to cave in the end, anyway?

I say this to my liberal friends all the time, but libertarians & conservatives need to get a clue, too: NOBODY currently serving in federal office is on your side. Every last one of them is working toward their own best interest, not yours.

Posted by: not the mama at October 11, 2013 09:36 AM (5dxeo)

386 SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Posted by: Senate GOP negotiators at October 11, 2013 09:36 AM (TpXEI)

387 And those of us who said 2 weeks ago this is exactly what would happen will still be called RINOs.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 01:29 PM (g1DWB)

**************

The only good reason to shut the government down would have been to force Obama to implement Obamacare in full, no exceptions.

Just imagine Boehner saying, "We don't have the votes to stop this. We know that. The Affordable Care Act is going to hurt a lot of people. What we will not allow is President Obama to pick and choose who it hurts. This is his law. He signed it. And we will not allow him to create any exemptions for his cronies."

That's it. Shut the government down and say over and over, "All we're demanding is that Obama follow the very law Democrats shoved down America's throat on a purely partisan vote."

Posted by: Warden at October 11, 2013 09:36 AM (4wsI1)

388 Does anyone here know how to play this game?!?

Posted by: toby928© at October 11, 2013 09:36 AM (QupBk)

389 Maybe with the implosion of Obamacare there was no need to go the defund route. Granted Obamacare implosion will be painful, but let Obama eat that crow when the thing collapses.

Posted by: Fart-Tube-Jones at October 11, 2013 09:36 AM (90aTA)

390 So it doesn't sound like Boehner's bringing anything specific to the House. Okay, back where we were yesterday.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:37 AM (ZshNr)

391 This whole story was made up. Sounds like there are numerous deals floating around.

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 09:37 AM (sOtz/)

392 258 So will the Republicans run Tony Romo, or will it be Eli Manning for president in 2016? Posted by: John McCain at October 11, 2013 01:18 PM

Mark Sanchez/Blaine Gabbert

Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2013 09:37 AM (aTXUx)

393 353 Wrong again. I never wanted the defund or delay strategy. Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 01:31 PM (g1DWB) What was your preferred strateegery? Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 01:32 PM (XIxXP) His strategy relies on the media turning on Obama and reporting on him with complete honesty.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 11, 2013 09:37 AM (LI48c)

394 I've already got lefties telling me the GOP cut Medicare.

Old and busted: propaganda
The new hotness: straight up lies

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 11, 2013 09:37 AM (l5zzX)

395 The problem is public opinion, not RINOs. They are caving because we are getting crushed in the polls. This whole thing was a Hail Mary play. The odds of success were always low. It was worth a shot. It looks like it didn't work.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 09:37 AM (ZPrif)

396 Just imagine Boehner saying, "We don't have the votes to stop this. We know that. The Affordable Care Act is going to hurt a lot of people. What we will not allow is President Obama to pick and choose who it hurts. This is his law. He signed it. And we will not allow him to create any exemptions for his cronies."That's it. Shut the government down and say over and over, "All we're demanding is that Obama follow the very law Democrats shoved down America's throat on a purely partisan vote."

Posted by: Warden at October 11, 2013 01:36 PM (4wsI1)

yay! that would have been nice.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:37 AM (nqBYe)

397 This smells like a Paul Ryan deal.

Nonconfrontational and wonkish and long-term focused.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (gqT4g)

398 It is absolutely the most BEAUTIFUL Automobile that I have EVER seen! I can't believe that it will soon be parked in my garage! Oh my G-d I am soooooo excited. Now.... I need to calm down so we can talk price.....

Posted by: Jon Boner at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (32Ze2)

399

>>>>Ok.... I'll do it. Does the car come with tires and a motor?

It's grey - that's a dealbreaker for me. Oh, silver you say? Forget what I said.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (3ZtZW)

400 Those of use who are conservative and~~/or~~ Republican have to face the fact that we have no representation at all in this government.

Posted by: whoever at October 11, 2013 01:33 PM (UJe/j)

FIFY

"Pure" Republicans have plenty of representation in Congress, they're just called Democrats!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (XdnQT)

401

The only good reason to shut the government down would have been to force Obama to implement Obamacare in full, no exceptions.

Pretty sure Boehner passed a CR which said exactly that as well, after defund and delay went nowhere.

But yes, this is the fault of TEA party extremists.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (TpXEI)

402 However, it's pretty easy to see why we lose all of these fights. The Dems/Media always stick together as a single unmoving block. They don't have a McCain wing to publicly criticize their every move. Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 11, 2013 01:29 PM (dMGxJ) If they had a "McCain wing", they would wipe it out... Viciously.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (bb5+k)

403 >>What was your preferred strateegery? Because we never had the votes to get a real "win" right now and having people in DC pretend we did and make this a hill to die on which has only served to further divide the party and make us look bad in the process, I wanted us to get the hell out of the way and make Obama live with the piece of shit that is Obamacare. Unlike anything we have done, it is cratering and becoming more unpopular by the day. It will hurt the Dems more than anything we can do. I have pointed out over and over and over again that there is no way to defund Obamacare short of repealing the law. The Obamacare statute funds Obamacare just like SS or Medicare. It is an entitlement that does not go through the appropriations process and there was never any chance Obama or Reid was going to give in now. Better to point out the abject failure of this law, let people feel the pain and lies and run on it in 2104. We need control of DC to get rid of this thing and implement our policies. When you are in the minority all you can do is chip away not make fundamental changes. Bring on Obamacare and the pain. That is the only way to get around the msm and all the other noise and let people realize this for themselves.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (g1DWB)

404 I don't know understand why the House GOP didn't
settle on refusing to open the Govt. without an end to the
congresscritter ACA subsidy.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2013 01:33 PM (UypUQ)
-Heh.
Or, were you being serious?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 01:34 PM (/i3Yt)

Of course I was being serious. That's like a 90/10 issue in our favor.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (UypUQ)

405 Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 1m

Sen Mitch McConnell R-KY: "Now that we're back up here and back at work, hopefully we can find a way forward"

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (8sCoq)

406 Way to play to lose, GOP.

And I know some of you read this site.

Well.

you're done. That sound you hear? That's hell coming with me.

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (x3YFz)

407 Anyone curious as to why it is that the GOP is about as attractive to the electorate as is a steaming pile of runny, smelly pig poop? Well, here you go, as brilliantly laid out earlier...
404care still here and in full force. Check.
Raise the debt limit. Check.
Ease off sequestration. Check.
Fuck another mostly GOP group. Check.
NPS militarized thugs still in place. Check.
IRS still got getting away with illegal activities. Check.
NSA still snooping on US citizens. Check.
Incandescent bulb ban still in effect. Check.

I can (and will) add...

GOP gets the overwhelming majority of the blame? Check.

But yeah, it's all the fault of the tea party caucus - because without them the deal would have been so much better.

Bring on The Burning.

Posted by: DocJ at October 11, 2013 09:38 AM (qCk/f)

408 Let me just say this to the NSA and other corrupted civilian federal employees - You are a collabo. All you fucks are collaborationists. Quit and regain your honor and standing as a free citizen, because when people like me get in charge, you will be held accountable for your actions in violation of the Constitution. No matter how many decades it takes, collabos. It always comes around. Ask France. And for you "youths" so chuffed with yourselves as the "future" and us contitutionalists as the past - we can always have more kids. Your existence is not required nor critical. We can afford to lose a generation or two if necessary. Push us into realpolitik and you will not fucking enjoy it. Remember - we were willing to sterilize the Earth to retain our freedom during the Cold War. Ain't changed none here.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at October 11, 2013 09:39 AM (Gt9Nm)

409 But for many of us, theyÂ’ll still be worth more than what weÂ’d actually get if we let the system continue as it is. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 11, 2013 01:29 PM (QF8uk) I have no argument with you on that point.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 09:39 AM (bb5+k)

410 Anyone curious as to why it is that the GOP is about as attractive to the electorate as is a steaming pile of runny, smelly pig poop? --- Not pig shit... ENERGY! Who run Bartertown?!?

Posted by: Master at October 11, 2013 09:39 AM (/Crba)

411

So it doesn't sound like Boehner's bringing anything specific to the House. Okay, back where we were yesterday.

So are they actually negotiating with the Caliph (May His Name Be Ever Praised!) at this point?

If so, this could be positive for us.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 09:40 AM (TpXEI)

412 Actually that would be kind of pointless since after 30 years they are finally making low flow toilets that work. I had to replace a broken toilet last year and the new one is a joy to watch as it flushes. It is almost like a Star Trek transporter except faster. It was nothing special, just a $100 off the shelf American Standard toilet but when you push the handle, everything in the bowl just instantly goes away.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at October 11, 2013 01:33 PM (q1sF4)

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yeah.... but the problem in alot of cities is that the sewer lines were designed to carry sewage to treatment plants with X number of gallons pushing Y tonnage of turds.

Low gallon toilets are causing sewage sludge to not flow adequately to the treatment plants.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 09:40 AM (nELVU)

413 332
Like me. I say cancel Social Security. Give everybody a check for what they "paid in" and end the damned thing. I'm not going to see any, means-testing or no.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 11, 2013 12:51 PM (T0NGe)

Given inflation, the checks won't be worth what they paid in.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 01:28 PM (bb5+k)

I'd rather have something than nothing.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at October 11, 2013 09:40 AM (V40IZ)

414 Of course I was being serious. That's like a 90/10 issue in our favor.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 11, 2013 01:38 PM (UypUQ)

Boehner and Reid personally added the congressional subsidy as a part of the deal.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:40 AM (/i3Yt)

415 Not one penny

Posted by: thunderb at October 11, 2013 09:40 AM (FDGMs)

416 Boehner just announced the fantastic deal; GOP trades Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews to Obama for a conditional 2017 seventh round draft choice

Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2013 09:40 AM (aTXUx)

417 383 I absolutely MUST have this car today and I have unlimited funds, so give me your lowest price and I'll take it.

Posted by: John Boner at October 11, 2013 01:35 PM (FcR7P)

Oh , that one. It's already sold , but give me all your money and I'll see what I can do, I think I can do something special just for you.

Posted by: Obama at October 11, 2013 09:40 AM (AWmfW)

418 Once again. will. the. Republican. establishment snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

Dandy Don, I fear that the answer will be all. to. clear.

Posted by: Howard Cosell at October 11, 2013 09:41 AM (Pr6hk)

419 You know wouldn't it have been awesome if a prominent republican had held a press conference yesterday and during it repeatedly highlighted the Brownshirt behavior of the park service and the mistreatment of our fallen soldiers families. Too bad a prominent republican didn't hold a press conference yesterday.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 11, 2013 09:41 AM (LI48c)

420 Politics is downstream of culture. We are losing in politics, because we are losing the culture. In areas where we are winning the culture, like gun rights, we are winning the politics.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 09:41 AM (ZPrif)

421

The problem is public opinion, not RINOs. They are caving because we are getting crushed in the polls.
---------- ---------- ------------ -------------

I think Republicans are getting crushed by other Republicans in the polls. Obama is down and so are Democrats. But, I'm sure our brave leadership caved when they saw Drudge noting the new low in popularity.

Posted by: Beagle at October 11, 2013 09:41 AM (sOtz/)

422

I can (and will) add...

GOP gets the overwhelming majority of the blame? Check.

==========================

ALSO

"...and replacing them with curbs in benefit programs that Obama himself has backed."

GOP gets FUTURE blame. Check.

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 09:41 AM (3ZtZW)

423 N doubt he'd say he's ALWAYS been negotiating. Whether he really is or not, we'll see.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 11, 2013 09:41 AM (ZshNr)

424 332
Like me. I say cancel Social Security. Give everybody a check for what they "paid in" and end the damned thing. I'm not going to see any, means-testing or no.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 11, 2013 12:51 PM (T0NGe)

Can we as conservatives though at least focus first on the more unpopular government programs first? Social Security is the most popular and beloved government program ever.

I'm far more concerned with "Great Society" poverty programs that destroy our national character over a WWII vet getting a small check from a pension he's contributed to his entire life.

Until we've reformed food stamps, welfare, government housing, MediCaid, etc. than we can look at tinkering with SS and MediCare.

Posted by: McAdams at October 11, 2013 09:41 AM (fBmIl)

425 Is this a done deal? Has this been announced?

Posted by: thunderb at October 11, 2013 09:41 AM (FDGMs)

426

That shudder you just felt was the country lurching further left. All the cornhole GOP are just loving it. Now they can get it on w/ Amnesty. Cue Monty and the Doom.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (l0lja)

427 Gotta run. You morons stay safe, dip dip dip.

See you in a year.

I have phone calls to make, plots and schemes.

Party time.

Posted by: tangonine at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (x3YFz)

428 Boehner just announced the fantastic deal; GOP trades Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews to Obama for a conditional 2017 seventh round draft choice Posted by: kbdabear at October 11, 2013 01:40 PM (aTXUx) Great. Now the Browns are going to hire him as head of football operations.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (VtjlW)

429 Wrong again. I never wanted the defund or delay strategy. Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 01:31 PM (g1DWB) What was your preferred strateegery? Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 01:32 PM (XIxXP) His strategy relies on the media turning on Obama and reporting on him with complete honesty. Posted by: Buzzion at October 11, 2013 01:37 PM (LI48c) Hmm. I kind of wanted to hear it from him. The election of 2010 had one over riding mandate. do everything you can do to stop or slow the ACA. Much water has travelled under the bridge but those of us that spent our time and money still expect just that. Finally, a man with big clanking brass balls reminded the GOP of that and our current tizzy ensued. Those that decided not to keep their promises attacked him. End of story. You're either wit us or agin us, there is no middle ground.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (XIxXP)

430 425 Is this a done deal? Has this been announced? --- Is it safe?

Posted by: Dr. Christian Szell at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (/Crba)

431 I'll have my secretary pencil you in for an appointment. How does next week work?

Posted by: The Gods of the Copybook Headings at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (YQ4mh)

432 I'm going to be honest. At this very moment, if this is true: In addition to ending the shutdown and increasing the debt limit, the proposal includes an easing of the across-the-board spending cuts that began taking effect a year ago, and replacing them with curbs in benefit programs that Obama himself has backed. Among them is a plan to raise the cost of Medicare for better-off beneficiaries. Then I don't want the Republicans to win elections in 2016. Get on with the one party rule and lets feel the boot of the Bolshevik and lets get on from it from there.

Posted by: Drider at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (/VmYa)

433 Posted by: Warden at October 11, 2013 01:36 PM (4wsI1)

Following the law, or even being constrained by a law, is the very last thing that a modern professional politician (aka ruling class elite) wants to even have mentioned, let alone be a requirement for office.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (XdnQT)

434 Headline at Drudge...the dickless boner and cantor...SURRENDER I am never voting again unless the party makes a major course correction. It is pointless to vote! "star" Paul Ryan is working on amnesty as we speak FYI. We can vote in all the republicans in the world and it won't mean shit! They will still grow the government, they will still tax us to death, they will still consort with the Left and the media. This is reality.

Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2013 09:42 AM (m3gf3)

435 The GOP could never win me back. Ever. I just saw this. It's sick (the link, not IowaHawk!) David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 2m Brought to you by the same "professional educator" lunatics who expel 5-year olds for gun shaped pop tarts http://tinyurl.com/kvf9hxs * God help this country. Save us from the left. Pray for the family. *I had to tiny iowa's url

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 11, 2013 09:43 AM (IXrOn)

436 Low gallon toilets are causing sewage sludge to not flow adequately to the treatment plants.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 01:40 PM (nELVU)

not to mention those "flushable" wipes that don't really dissolve as promised..

Posted by: not the mama at October 11, 2013 09:43 AM (5dxeo)

437 Headline: Diogenes found dead on Capital Mall.

Posted by: fawkes at October 11, 2013 09:43 AM (Djwm9)

438 "What we will not allow is President Obama to pick and choose who it hurts. This is his law. He signed it. And we will not allow him to create any exemptions for his cronies."

Also known as the everyone-into-the-pool approach. Specifically legislatively repeal all of the special carve-out arrangements Obama has set up for Congress and cronies.

And, guess what? Those special carve-outs were wildly unpopular with the public. Rolling them back would have been a stroke of brilliance.

So, the GOP totally ignored that tack.

Because the Republicans in the House are worried that if their own staffs are subjected to the full terrifying power of Obamacare, without special relief, there will be an immediate "brain drain" of staffers leaving.

Tell me, do any of you perceive much by the way of brains among House GOP staff? I'm certainly not seeing that.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2013 09:43 AM (gqT4g)

439
Pretty sure Boehner passed a CR which said exactly that as well, after defund and delay went nowhere.

But yes, this is the fault of TEA party extremists.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 11, 2013 01:38 PM (TpXEI)

*******************

I blame Boehner for not presenting a unified message. Oh, he passed that CR? Among a dozen others? Great. That clarifies things.

Posted by: Warden at October 11, 2013 09:43 AM (4wsI1)

440 And we will not allow him to create any exemptions for his cronies."
Posted by: Warden at October 11, 2013 01:36 PM (4wsI1)
They can't disallow him squat.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 11, 2013 09:44 AM (E0/Ok)

441 420, how can we win the culture when the media and education systems preach LEFTISTM 24/7 while at the same time we import MILLION of leftists from LEFT WING countries and make them and their kids citizens? Of course the culture will be lost to the left under those conditions! There is nothing we can do it about because both parties want it!

Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2013 09:45 AM (m3gf3)

442 They can't disallow him squat.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 11, 2013 01:44 PM (E0/Ok)

They won't even try to stop him from committing felonies on a daily basis.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 11, 2013 09:45 AM (/i3Yt)

443 not to mention those "flushable" wipes that don't really dissolve as promised..

Posted by: not the mama at October 11, 2013 01:43 PM (5dxeo)

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Yup.... so cities have been quietly installing sewage pumps that cost about a bazillion times more than the water savings.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 11, 2013 09:45 AM (nELVU)

444

>>>Now they can get it on w/ Amnesty. Cue Monty and the Doom.

Why not?

Hey, remember how during the Civil War they used to get Irish fresh off the boats signed up and in Union uniforms before they even left the dock? I was wondering last night how they were gonna do that with Mexicans, seeing as how they'd be coming through Texas. Seems to be a logistics issue, unless New Mexico will be the entry point of choice....

Posted by: Bigby's Signifying Hands at October 11, 2013 09:45 AM (3ZtZW)

445 Tango nine you running for office?

Posted by: thunderb at October 11, 2013 09:45 AM (FDGMs)

446 Too bad a prominent republican didn't hold a press conference yesterday.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 11, 2013 01:41 PM (LI48c)

As head of a winning political consultantcy, I always advise my Republican clients to never appear confrontational, because it might upset my many Democrat friends.

Posted by: Karl Rover at October 11, 2013 09:46 AM (XdnQT)

447 Not opposed to a re look at Medicare system and recepients. But not like this. What about all the newly "disabled"?

Can't wait to see the fairness/income redistributionist definition of "better off", "well off" . Most likely "fat cats" found trying to hide in the barely middle class.

Posted by: gracepmc at October 11, 2013 09:46 AM (rznx3)

448 @ZekeJMiller 19s Carney briefing pushed to 2:45

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 09:47 AM (bCEmE)

449 Come 2014 Republicans (especially reviled Tea Party Republicans) will be able to go to their donors and constituents and say "We tried. We tried really hard, but we couldn't take everyone over a cliff for it." And the ObamaCareNightMare will be in full force -- especially if they make every effort to make sure it is enforced strictly, fairly and with no funny business and favoritism form Democrats and Obama. The pendulum will swing.

I think Ted Cruz's strategy might have been not one path to victory, but all paths leading to victory.

Can't get ObamaCare defunded today? Then make sure you holler loudly for a one year delay -- the one thing Democrats could do to possibly save it from spontaneous combustion in the next few months -- and by hollering for for a delay, make them look as if they are capitulating if they try to delay it to save it. In actuality, make it all but impossible for them to delay it, given Obama's personality disorder.

Can't get Obamacare delayed? Then delay the individual mandate, which will bring on the collapse faster.

Can't get the individual mandate delayed? Then make sure that there are no more crony deals and sweetheart waivers coming from Obama and the Senate, and the ones they've already spread around are rolled back and/or pointed out to all and sundry who are not so graced. Fairness.

"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad, obnoxious, or unjust laws so effective as their strict execution."
~ Ulysses S Grant

Posted by: Starboardhelm at October 11, 2013 09:48 AM (1I4sj)

450 Rush was trying to convince a caller that the polls are phony and that we're winning. He even cited Reagan winning twice. That was 30 years ago! We haven't won anything since. The demographic has changed for the worse, and I don't see the GOP winning anything ever again. We heard about the "phony polls" in 2008 and 2012, and they turned out to be dead accurate. And they now say 49% think Obama is "likable". Do people have no idea at all about what he has done to us? I guess not. They hate Republicans most of all, and I can't blame them. Even Republicans hate the Republicans in Congress.

Posted by: whoever at October 11, 2013 09:48 AM (UJe/j)

451 395 The problem is public opinion, not RINOs. They are caving because we are getting crushed in the polls. This whole thing was a Hail Mary play. The odds of success were always low. It was worth a shot. It looks like it didn't work. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 01:37 PM (ZPrif) If there is anyone out there so stupid as to believe the media wouldn't have ginned the polls to create this result, then there is no solution to that level of weapons grade stupidity. OF COURSE the polls are going to go bad. The MEDIA DRIVE THE POLLS. Anyone with sense or integrity would have counted on that going into this battle.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 09:48 AM (bb5+k)

452 Don't they know he will implement what he wants and ignore what he doesn't, regardless? I

Posted by: thunderb at October 11, 2013 09:48 AM (FDGMs)

453 I would run for office. I'd never get elected because I tell the truth. That, and the Peruvian Hooker Scandal would keep me on the outs.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 11, 2013 09:48 AM (32Ze2)

454

Politics is downstream of culture. We are losing in politics, because we are losing the culture. In areas where we are winning the culture, like gun rights, we are winning the politics.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

This here. Liberals didn't win the century by fighting to "offset the givebacks in sequestration."

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 09:49 AM (9KqcB)

455 Posted by: torquewrench at October 11, 2013 01:43 PM (gqT4g)

One of the signature marks of a ruling class is when they don't ever question their own right to be exempt from the petty rules, regulations, taxes, and restrictions they create, enact, and fully support for the peasants.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2013 09:50 AM (XdnQT)

456 Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 01:38 PM (g1DWB) "The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose, the supplies requisite for the support of government. They, in a word, hold the purse that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of the government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure. " James Madison-- Federalist No. 58

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 09:51 AM (bb5+k)

457 Hey dummy GOP!

First off, the GOP cannot have over about a 52% approval rating, lets get that out there right now. The press in this country has poisoned the fuck out of that well.

Second, if the majority of your own party hates your guts, your lucky to break 15%

So when you have a poll number like 20% approval, please take into account that 60% of the people in this country already hate your spineless dummy guts to begin with, and then when you add into the mix the people you have fucked over for 16 years, well.... you can do the math.

Posted by: ASK21 at October 11, 2013 09:52 AM (8lB0x)

458 Posted by: ASK21 at October 11, 2013 01:52 PM (8lB0x)

Just gotta love statistics!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2013 09:53 AM (XdnQT)

459

"star" Paul Ryan is working on amnesty as we speak FYI...."

Nothing matters more than immigration policy now. Open borders means limited government is officially a fantasy. There simply won't be nearly enough US residents sharing anything close to a common history.

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 09:53 AM (9KqcB)

460 Education, media, and immigration have permanently changed the country. Our society no longer has a cohesive set of values that we all generally agree on. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE LEFT HOPED TO ACHIEVE. We already have park ranger jack bauer wannabes illegally kidnapping people/committing false imprisonment of law abiding citizens. Do you really think that is a far cry from...You get the idea. By the way, the rangers who committed those crimes will not be punished. You can't import millions of leftist from around the world and expect no change in voting patterns YOU DUMB FUCK REPUBLICANS! The Democrats have wanted this for 50 years and you helped them!

Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2013 09:53 AM (m3gf3)

461 I'd rather have something than nothing. Posted by: Clownf*cker at October 11, 2013 01:40 PM (V40IZ) What makes you think dollars will be worth something by the time we reach this point?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 09:53 AM (bb5+k)

462 How do we win the culture war? I don't know. There's no guarantee we can win. We might just always be the hated minority from here on out. That would suck, of course. And any win in the culture will take decades. All you can do is take actions that help the process. Don't financially support the culture of the Left. Support media that support you. Reward your friends and punish your enemies. Advocate for your beliefs. Organize politically. The leftist slogan of -- "Early to bed, early to rise. Work like hell and organize." -- isn't a bad strategy for accomplishing long term cultural goals. The gay rights people worked for decades to change the culture and win. Many gay rights advocates no doubt spent decades pushing that and died seeming to achieve little success. There's no guarantee we are gonna win. At least one side in a political fight is always gonna lose. All you can do is take actions to increase your odds of winning, often only incrementally. If your position is a minority position, then odds are it will lose.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 09:53 AM (ZPrif)

463 "I say cancel Social Security. Give everybody a check for what they "paid in" and end the damned thing." So confiscate people's money at gunpoint, hold it hostage for decades, then return it with no interest and say we're even? And probably tax it as income on top of that? Sweet deal.

Posted by: whoever at October 11, 2013 09:55 AM (UJe/j)

464 454 Politics is downstream of culture. We are losing in politics, because we are losing the culture. In areas where we are winning the culture, like gun rights, we are winning the politics.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

I think this is true and it's what is most disturbing. I could let politics roll off my back in the past because I knew America had a certain sense of character regardless of the clowns in office, but I'm afraid Obama is very much representative of the "new" America, at least 51% of it.

Maybe we'll have a "snap back" like we did from the 1970's to the 1980's, but I'm doubtful.

Posted by: McAdams at October 11, 2013 09:55 AM (fBmIl)

465 Gee, if only somebody was around to warn the rabble that there was zero chance of defunding or otherwise seriously impeding Obamacare.

Someone who from the beginning warned that the shutdown scenario was a no-win proposition for the GOP. That you were being duped by someone trying to raise their profile before the 2016 primaries.

Someone to raise the alarm that the BEST CASE scenario would involve a token gesture allowing the GOP to save face and end the shutdown.

Someone who is nearly always right about these matters. What could have been...

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 11, 2013 09:56 AM (SY2Kh)

466 Even if we have a snapback, the electorate is totally different. It will last a few years and then we will return to leftism. The country moves left every fucking year no matter who is elected.

Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2013 09:57 AM (m3gf3)

467 If true, the GOP's dismal poll numbers will continue their subterranean excavation unabated. A win on this would have been HUGE. It might even have given the generally conservative American electorate something to vote FOR in 2014 and 2016. Instead, we have another demonstration that they are NOT to be counted upon. Ever.

And so, we will have the clearest example to date as to why an unexciting, establishmentarian like Mitt Romney could not dislodge a baleful incumbent in a lackluster economy. There is simply no reason to cross the street for these guys. No reason to endure the reproach of coworkers, neighbors, and family trying to turn their shit into Shinola. Even skulking into a polling place to pull the lever for them is starting to take on that same seamy, need-a-shower feeling as ducking into a peep show.

There is only one way to win for any political party: pick a fight and win it. What we have in the GOP is the inverse. A party that so passive-aggressively loathes its base that it is compelled to pick fights and lose them. Or rather it let's the base pick fights -- even winnable fights -- and then undermines them. This is a psychological rather than a philosophical problem. It will not be fixed any time soon, either.

It's probably past time where the conservative and libertarian leaning electorate takes their votes elsewhere. This relationship is not... healthy.

Posted by: Clement Babbage at October 11, 2013 09:58 AM (xvN0P)

468 Diogenes' Lamp at October 11, 2013 01:51 PM (bb5+k) I'm well aware of how the government is organized. I also know how the world works. We were never going to get Reid and Obama to give in to all our demands. You can pretend if we just held our breathe and shutdown the government forever that they would have caved but you will never convince me of that.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2013 09:58 AM (g1DWB)

469 Hollowidiot should form his own dickless republican party. He would be the head man. LOSER COWARD.

Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2013 09:58 AM (m3gf3)

470

But, we got him to negotiate!!!!

WINNING

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 11, 2013 09:58 AM (SO2Q8)

471 offs.

Posted by: willow at October 11, 2013 09:59 AM (nqBYe)

472 407 Anyone curious as to why it is that the GOP is about as attractive to the electorate as is a steaming pile of runny, smelly pig poop? Well, here you go, as brilliantly laid out earlier...
404care still here and in full force. Check.
Raise the debt limit. Check.
Ease off sequestration. Check.
Fuck another mostly GOP group. Check.
NPS militarized thugs still in place. Check.
IRS still got getting away with illegal activities. Check.
NSA still snooping on US citizens. Check.
Incandescent bulb ban still in effect. Check.

I can (and will) add...

GOP gets the overwhelming majority of the blame? Check.

But yeah, it's all the fault of the tea party caucus - because without them the deal would have been so much better.

Bring on The Burning.

Posted by: DocJ at October 11, 2013 01:38 PM (qCk/f)

thank you

Posted by: Shoey at October 11, 2013 09:59 AM (jdOk/)

473

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 11, 2013 01:53 PM (ZPrif)

The first step toward winning the culture war is deciding to fight back. The battlefields are academia and media. There are great sites out there like Campus Reform fighting the fight. Basically, it's not to make it cool to be counter-culture in this country. All we have to do is point out that WE are the counter-culture. The Left is the establishment. Elections are won by shaping opinions and the opinion-shaping machinery consists of news media entertainment media and academia. If we don't make inroads there, the century long win streak of the Left continues.

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 10:01 AM (9KqcB)

474 Somebody in either this thread or another one wanted something lighter, Well, this is rather funny-Ted Cruz handling hecklers at the Value Voters Summit. He gave it to Obama and OFA: From "Hot Air" Good for Mr. Cruz who does well on his feet. http://tinyurl.com/m2pr5v8

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2013 10:02 AM (a4Omg)

475 That should be: Basically, it's not DIFFICULT to make it cool to be counter-culture in this country.

Posted by: CJ at October 11, 2013 10:02 AM (9KqcB)

476 God only knows where the GOP bottom is. But it's undoubtedly pretty darned dark.

Posted by: gracepmc at October 11, 2013 10:03 AM (rznx3)

477 434 Headline at Drudge...the dickless boner and cantor...SURRENDER

I am never voting again unless the party makes a major course correction. It is pointless to vote! "star" Paul Ryan is working on amnesty as we speak FYI.

We can vote in all the republicans in the world and it won't mean shit! They will still grow the government, they will still tax us to death, they will still consort with the Left and the media. This is reality.

Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2013 01:42 PM (m3gf3)

you are correct sir.

Posted by: Shoey at October 11, 2013 10:05 AM (jdOk/)

478 Posted by: Dan at October 11, 2013 01:58 PM (m3gf3)

Aww, did I make you look like a fool? There there, you're not alone in that regard, cupcake.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 11, 2013 10:06 AM (SY2Kh)

479 "Hollowidiot should form his own dickless republican party. He would be the head man. LOSER COWARD."

Yeah, you show him, guy on Internet!

Posted by: Shoot Me at October 11, 2013 10:09 AM (qiXMt)

480 I say 7 days after the Gutless Old Pukes announce their Epic Cave-in, anyone who's still registered as a Republican change it to Democrat. Vote however you like, but there's no sense letting the Republicans think they are a vaild alternative with voters who want to be associated with them.

Start slittin' throats.

Metaphorically, of course.

Posted by: LIV at October 11, 2013 10:09 AM (ukp+x)

481 Hmmmm..... @guypbenson Step 1: Write that the GOP is in shambles. Step 2: Get tweets/comments blaming said shambles on opposite faction of the party. #QED @brithume 2m @guypbenson Stick to your guns Guy. You're not alone in being attacked by the Tea Party right. @JonahNRO, @krauthammer under similar fire.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 11, 2013 10:13 AM (bCEmE)

482 On behalf of the Republican Party, allow me to apologize for keeping you prisoner all this time.

Please feel free to go at any time.

Posted by: Adjoran at October 11, 2013 10:16 AM (473jB)

483

Dan, just don't respond to Hollowpoint, if you ignore him he will go away.

Posted by: Shoey at October 11, 2013 10:17 AM (jdOk/)

484 Charlie Brown. Football. Lucy. Repeat.

Posted by: Clement Babbage at October 11, 2013 10:17 AM (xvN0P)

485 481 Hmmmm.....

The Republicans employing Alinsky tactics against the tea party. Interesting.

Posted by: gracepmc at October 11, 2013 10:19 AM (rznx3)

486 The quislings deride the "Tru Conservatives!" because that's what the msm has taught them.

It never dawns on the quislings that the reason the turn out for the GOP is always so weak because actual conservatives have no one representing them in federal politics. It never dawns on the quislings that although the last few decades have proven over and over without qualification of any sort, that any "compromise" with the left is only ever full capitulation to the left.

It never dawns on the quislings that business as usual for the GOP is a huge part of what got us to this place to begin with.

In the end, the quislings are just another batch of useful idiots for the left. And, when the time comes for it, they shouldn't be surprised when they're treated as such in absolutely non metaphorical manner.

Posted by: Grimmy at October 11, 2013 10:20 AM (uUsh9)

487 It's now McCain's party. Meghan McCain. Fuck all these mother fuckers.

Posted by: Mooch at October 11, 2013 10:31 AM (naU4+)

488 "If not for the shutdown, the media would be focused like a laser on the Obamacare problems! That's the hill to die on you guys, not this one!" It's always been the other hill. We're out of hills.

Posted by: whoever at October 11, 2013 10:35 AM (UJe/j)

489 "If not for the shutdown, the media would be focused like a laser on the Obamacare problems! That's the hill to die on you guys, not this one!"

Straight up bullshit. Whether or not the "shutdown" the media would be ignoring any probs with Obamacare just as they're doing now.

You seem to be a bit confused as to what, exactly, the modern media believes its job to be.

Posted by: Grimmy at October 11, 2013 10:39 AM (uUsh9)

490 Quislings. Cute.

No, it's not the fact that I observed the True Cons and found them lacking. Nope. Not at all. It's because I've been brainwashed and/or I secretly want the bad guys to win.

Posted by: Shoot Me at October 11, 2013 10:41 AM (qiXMt)

491 :BLAM: BLAM : BLAM: :thud: And that's that.

Posted by: Shooting the person asking to be shot at October 11, 2013 10:42 AM (4wLfM)

492 I don't blame the Dem for their cynical and harmful reaction to the "shutdown"! I blame the teatards! Â¿Get it? Teatards? Lololololololololo!

Posted by: Fudge Packer at October 11, 2013 10:49 AM (4wLfM)

493 It ain't "in the works", Uncle Ace. There's 5 more days to go of Boehner and his minders shlepping over to the White House begging for "some more" only to emerge empty-bowled, again and again. Obama and Reid are humiliating the very shit out of Boehner and carving their initials into the hides of every GOPer stupid enough to come near them. This is about inflicting scars that show up right through November 2014.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at October 11, 2013 10:55 AM (w45V0)

494 ...for all these terrible things the GOP can't get traction in fighting them. That's what happens when a group isn't savvy enough to make sure that what is gained is of more value than what is to be traded away.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 11, 2013 11:08 AM (/IXKu)

495 "not to mention those "flushable" wipes that don't really dissolve as promised.." Of course they won't dissolve. They sit in water in the box. If they dissolved in water they'd be useless. They contain plastic, I hear.

Posted by: whoever at October 11, 2013 11:13 AM (UJe/j)

496 490 Quislings. Cute.

No, it's not the fact that I observed the True Cons and found them lacking. Nope. Not at all. It's because I've been brainwashed and/or I secretly want the bad guys to win.

Posted by: Shoot Me at October 11, 2013 02:41 PM (qiXMt)

And yet, you advocate what the mfm talking heads say the GOP *must* do to remain popular, even though the GOP as lost ground aggressively, on every front, and failed miserably, on every issue, since it started playing to the mfm's version of popular for the GOP.

And you refuse to recognize the only evident pattern of the GOP over the last few decades, which is to give in, give up, and go along with the destructionists of the DNC.

And, you advocate GOP politicians who stand for nothing other than winning elections, which they rarely manage to do enough to gain any real control, and even in those few times they have the numbers, refuse to address anything of substance in any of the myriad of issues that are gutting this nation.

The standard issue, business as usual GOP are a significant part of why our country is coming apart at the seams.

Posted by: Grimmy at October 11, 2013 11:48 AM (uUsh9)

497

"I have pointed out over and over and over again that there is no way to defund Obamacare short of repealing the law. "

If that were true, Harry Reid would have passed the House's defund CR with a voice vote and a laugh.
Since he outright refused to, I still believe a ban on the use of federal dollars for office space, personnel, supplies, communications, etc., would have seriously impeded federal operations related to Obamacare.

"Obviously it's time to form a 3rd Party so the TeaTards can be "pure" and the Democrat Party can rule unchallenged.
Posted by: packsoldier at October 11, 2013 12:48 PM (MM3d9) "

Makes sense to me. It will hammer home Democrat responsibility for their bad policies. It will deprive liberal Republicans of seniority. It will cripple the Republican fundraising machine, because nobody pays big to losers. And it does keep opponents of Democrat liberalism pure of the taint of collaboration. It will come closer to giving the Right a clean slate than continuing to collaborate with liberal Republicans.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at October 11, 2013 11:56 AM (5xmd7)

498 I have begun to think that the GOP has no interest in getting traction on any of these issues. I think those in charge of the party now actually agree with most of Obama's big government ideas. I think they want to accumulate all that power with the belief it will be theirs at some point.

Sure they will pull the occasional stunt like the shutdown. They work up the base a little, put on a bit of a show and in the end give in. There is simply no way that they can be consistently this feckless and incompetent. I think that some members like Ted Cruz do want to make a difference. But with the party still in the hands of people like McCain, Rubio etc. They are there simply to maintain the trajectory we are already on. They dont care that the government will collapse of its own weight in the future. The Dem's and old guard GOP will continue to give handouts to get elected while they bleed the system for all its worth. Assuming that the power and wealth they have accumulated will protect them when the whole fetid mess collapses around them.

I cant think of a single piece of legislation in the last 35 years that did not directly benefit those in DC. Either through buying votes for themselves. Using the information for insider trading (legal for congress members!). Or enriching them in some other way. That is why not only most legislation that actually makes sense will never see the light of day in congress. But that both the Dem's and GOP fight to destroy those outsiders like the Tea Party.

Posted by: Mythx at October 11, 2013 01:23 PM (6+z+l)

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